The John-Henry Westen Show - November 03, 2021


The St. Gallen Mafia is the key to understanding Pope Francis

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Carlo Maria Martini Francis Garburit Bergoglio Pope Francis Eugenio Scalfari Pope Benedict Cardinal McCarrick Godfrey Daniels Cardinal Casper Cardinal Martini Julia Maloney Wade Grant Achilles Silvestrini Antonio Sochi John Paul II Traditiones Custodis Peter Kwasniewski Scalfari Martini Matt McCusker Amoris Laetitia and 12 more
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Do you have a hard time understanding Pope Francis and what he s up to? Are you wondering what s trying to accomplish? What if I told you that a secret group of leftist cardinals conspired to elect Pope Francis, contravening rules for papal elections? Well, some of you may have already heard of the St. Gallen Mafia, but we have with us an amazing journalist, one of the best researchers I know, who has done a deep dive into the inner workings of this group. And what is most startling is how their stated agenda falls totally in line with the Francis papacy, and it s the best way to make sense of the Francis Papacy.

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00:00:00.000 Do you have a hard time understanding Pope Francis and what he's up to?
00:00:03.440 Are you wondering what he's trying to accomplish?
00:00:06.220 What if I told you that a secret group of leftist cardinals conspired to elect Pope Francis,
00:00:12.020 contravening rules for papal elections?
00:00:14.480 Well, some of you may have already heard of the Saint-Gallon Mafia,
00:00:18.660 but we have with us an amazing journalist, one of the best researchers I know,
00:00:22.880 who has done a deep dive into the inner workings of this Saint-Gallon Mafia
00:00:28.020 and what is most startling is how their stated agenda falls totally in line with the Francis papacy
00:00:36.580 and it's in fact the best way to make sense of the Francis papacy.
00:00:42.640 This is the John Henry Weston Show. You're going to want to stay tuned.
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00:01:46.800 Julia Maloney, welcome to the program.
00:01:51.240 Hi, thank you so much for having me.
00:01:53.340 Well, let's begin as we always do with the sign of the cross.
00:01:56.040 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.
00:02:02.900 Julia, you're very familiar to me because I think you're honestly one of the best researchers that I know.
00:02:07.880 You have a graduate degree from Yale University,
00:02:12.100 and then, excuse me, undergrad from Yale,
00:02:14.720 and then a master's from Harvard.
00:02:16.800 In English, your research and writing has been impeccable.
00:02:20.640 When you were doing this book, I was eagerly awaiting its publication.
00:02:25.960 So we're there now.
00:02:27.780 And if you wouldn't mind, let's start with a very basic question for you.
00:02:33.660 But what is the Sangalan Mafia?
00:02:35.440 Who is the Sangalan Mafia?
00:02:36.760 So it's a group of high-ranking churchmen,
00:02:39.920 and they started meeting at or near St. Gallen, Switzerland in the mid-1990s.
00:02:48.240 1996 is usually the date we're given for when they officially start.
00:02:52.560 And if the figurehead, the dominant personality of the group is Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini.
00:03:00.300 And he had been a Jesuit biblical scholar, and then he became the Archbishop of Milan.
00:03:07.340 And in the 1990s, he was kind of seen as the next pope.
00:03:14.720 At least the world wanted him to be the next pope after Pope John Paul II.
00:03:19.520 And he gave some prominent interviews where he kind of signaled that he was a little flexible,
00:03:26.580 let's say, on things like contraception and women priests and that sort of thing, 0.82
00:03:31.520 kind of just hinting, having a kind of ambiguity that's very suggestive.
00:03:37.160 You could even call it Jesuitical, you know, the way that he would answer questions.
00:03:41.280 So it's right around the same time that he's being, that talk of him as being bandied about
00:03:49.300 as the next pope, that he founds this group called the St. Gallen Mafia.
00:03:54.640 And the then bishop of that area in Switzerland, Ivo Fuhrer, was the person who would host these meetings.
00:04:07.760 And some of the other dominant personalities would be Cardinal Walter Casper, and he's very familiar to us.
00:04:16.380 He's the German theologian who, of course, had the Casper proposal for communion for the divorced and simply remarried.
00:04:24.320 He was there, Cardinal, he wasn't a Cardinal then, but Carl Lehman, another German, another, 0.99
00:04:34.120 he was actually an assistant at one time to Karl Rahner, one of the dominant towering figures of the Second Vatican Council.
00:04:46.680 So a lot of these people, they were kind of like the next, they were like the heirs to the Vatican II big personalities.
00:04:54.380 And there were other figures that came in, Cardinal Achilles Silvestrini was an important one,
00:05:04.280 and he was an Italian diplomat, and he was very kind of scheming, maneuvering.
00:05:09.320 And he came into the group in, I believe, 2003, because Martini, the man who should have become the next pope,
00:05:17.540 he got Parkinson's disease. And so he had to leave the group, but he still was kind of this spiritual presence for the group.
00:05:28.600 So even though he formally left, allegedly in 2003, he remains kind of the dominant figure throughout all of this.
00:05:36.880 It's amazing. I believe Cardinal McCarrick was there as well. Is that correct?
00:05:39.900 McCarrick is usually not named as a technical member of the group,
00:05:44.400 but people have been covered, especially through interviews with James Grine,
00:05:53.060 who he's kind of the most famous victim of McCarrick.
00:05:57.700 James Grine has talked about how McCarrick spent time in Switzerland, I think in the 1950s.
00:06:05.100 And according to Mr. Grine, McCarrick went to St. Gallen, Switzerland,
00:06:12.580 like every year for like 20 years or something like that.
00:06:16.740 So there's, there's a very, we get to the point where some of this gets very fuzzy and nebulous,
00:06:25.120 and it's in the shadows still. And there's still, frankly, further research that needs to be done to clarify what his role was.
00:06:33.320 One of the most fascinating things, and this is where I think people really start to get the connection.
00:06:39.680 For most people, figuring out Pope Francis has been one of the most difficult things.
00:06:44.920 I think almost the whole world was at first, oh, let's give him the benefit of the doubt, you know, no real concerns,
00:06:51.380 a few notable exceptions. But, you know, for me anyways, it was like three days in,
00:06:56.360 I don't know if you recall, but three days in, he first praises Cardinal Casper, the theology of the, on the knees comment.
00:07:04.140 And that's when all the red flags went off, at least for us at LifeSite, it was like, whoa, wait a minute.
00:07:09.000 Cardinal Casper was the same guy who fought Pope Benedict all those years ago,
00:07:14.700 while he was still Ratzinger in the CDF, over the issue of communion for the divorce and remarried.
00:07:21.380 But that didn't figure in right away on day three of the papacy. It was more like, oh, here's the theologian who's doing such great theology.
00:07:27.540 And we were like, oh, that's kind of, kind of strange.
00:07:30.240 Lay out for us was, if you will, Cardinal Casper and, and his connection here to Pope Francis.
00:07:36.660 We know from interviews that Casper has, has done, and, you know, this is documented in the book.
00:07:43.500 There's, there's like over 600 footnotes.
00:07:45.720 So there's quite a lot of documentation here, if people, you know, want to look any of this up.
00:07:51.220 But we know from interviews that Casper met Bergoglio when, when he was a Cardinal, I believe, in Argentina.
00:08:01.140 And he actually went back several times and, and had visits with Bergoglio.
00:08:06.500 So, so they have this connection, but this really interesting narrative comes up, which kind of ignores that mysterious prior connection that they had.
00:08:19.500 And basically talks about the famous story that like, oh, in the con, you know, around the time of the 2013 conclave,
00:08:28.900 Casper had just gotten the Spanish translation, Spanish edition of his book, Mercy.
00:08:34.980 And so he was, he went to, Bergoglio happened to be like the room across from him.
00:08:42.440 And so he went to Bergoglio and shared it with him.
00:08:45.060 And then allegedly that was kind of like how he got on, on Bergoglio's radar.
00:08:50.100 So this becomes this kind of legend there.
00:08:53.240 And then it becomes this explanatory event to, to account for why Pope Francis is praising him three days in.
00:09:02.120 But again, as I said, there appears to have been a prior history of visits.
00:09:07.960 And we know that the, the mafia was talking about Bergoglio in, in 2001, because Bergoglio had been the, one of the synodal officials for the October synod that they had on collegiality.
00:09:23.940 And he, he, he especially impressed Cardinal Godfrey Daniels, who's, who's another important personality in this group.
00:09:33.940 So that's kind of a little bit about that.
00:09:36.460 It's a very interesting history because what you note about him going to visit Bergoglio.
00:09:42.280 So Casper and Bergoglio are visiting in Argentina and nevertheless, we have this then story as if, you know, it comes, the whole idea and notion of the, the, you know, divorce, remarriage communion comes from this beautiful exchange.
00:09:56.340 Pope Francis reads Cardinal Casper's work and just is so inspired, gets him to lead off the discussion about that issue of divorce, remarriage communion, which then leads to the first extraordinary citizen of the family, second citizen of the family, Morris Laetitia, where, of course, the whole of the church teaching gets turned upside down by Pope Francis, led in a way by Cardinal Casper.
00:10:17.680 But interestingly, they had this connection before.
00:10:20.240 So is this a setup?
00:10:22.080 A setup isn't all that weird because setups are known to happen with Pope Francis.
00:10:26.360 There's a famous story of, you know, Pope Francis taking the bus, you know, of things, but that was a photo op.
00:10:36.080 He gets dropped off when in Argentina, still as Cardinal, he gets dropped off a couple of blocks before the rectory so he can be shown to walk there.
00:10:44.100 There's another famous story of him, you know, one of his aides having taken his suitcase, his bag, the Pope's bag, up onto the plane already, and he scolds him and says, no, no, no, I wanted to carry it in myself.
00:10:56.540 So there are setups.
00:10:58.140 There's setups big time.
00:10:59.460 We know from when he was in the cafeteria with the cafeteria workers, the Pope went down to meet them.
00:11:04.900 It was all staged.
00:11:06.060 All the cafeteria workers were told they're not allowed to talk to him unless, of course, they're tapped and then they're supposed to be the ones to talk to him.
00:11:12.140 So there's a lot of setup, unfortunately, that has gone on in the Vatican in recent days.
00:11:17.360 But let's deal with this Cardinal that you now brought up, because I think Cardinal Daniels is also a very central figure in this whole thing.
00:11:26.240 And in fact, I might ask it this way.
00:11:28.640 You're calling them the Sangalan Mafia.
00:11:30.340 Don't you think that's rather insulting?
00:11:31.800 Why not choose a less pejorative name?
00:11:34.040 We use the name that Daniels gave us.
00:11:38.720 He's the one who confessed everything.
00:11:40.820 He's the one who had the need to boast.
00:11:43.180 His biography was coming out, I believe, in the fall of 2015.
00:11:49.200 And he was on stage.
00:11:52.900 And there's video of him where he's just smiling about the fact that, you know, oh, we called ourselves the Mafia.
00:12:02.340 So that's where we, you know, definitely where we get the name from.
00:12:07.860 And Daniels is an incredibly important and disturbing figure because he, for anyone who doesn't know, he had been caught on tape trying to quiet a sexual abuse victim.
00:12:24.800 And this victim was a man who had been abused by his own uncle who became a bishop, a bishop under Daniels.
00:12:34.060 And he had been abused from the age of 5 to 18.
00:12:38.280 And he can be heard on tape saying things like, why are you always taking the side of my abuser?
00:12:45.460 I thought I was coming here to get support from you and you're always taking his side.
00:12:51.640 So it's really devastating when you actually look at the transcripts.
00:12:56.500 And yet, nevertheless, he began speaking about how he had a resurrection.
00:13:04.380 That's his imagery, a resurrection under Pope Francis.
00:13:09.340 And he's very important because I think he's where we get the name Francis from.
00:13:15.340 We talked about, you know, you were talking very eloquently about setups.
00:13:18.620 We all know that, you know, the story of how Pope Francis got his name sounds pretty spontaneous and inspired, right?
00:13:26.760 Because Cardinal Humus says, don't forget the poor.
00:13:30.200 And a light bulb goes, turns on in Cardinal Bergoglio's mind, who's now Pope Francis.
00:13:38.320 And he just decides to become Francis.
00:13:41.160 Well, Daniels, of all people, you know, I document this in the book.
00:13:47.040 In the 1990s, he was talking about how we need a new Francis.
00:13:51.460 Multiple times he has an essay about it.
00:13:53.980 And he was telling people about it as well.
00:13:57.520 We have documentation of that from the New York Times.
00:14:00.700 And right before the 2013 conclave, he gave a press conference and said, we need a Francis.
00:14:08.820 So this is another moment where so many of these moments that appear to be, like, beautifully spontaneous and quaint in that way, they appear to be completely scripted.
00:14:22.660 The spontaneity is completely programmed into them.
00:14:26.620 Yeah.
00:14:26.720 What's amazing about this and that hugely close connection there between Daniels and Francis is that for all the world, and I mean even the secular world, Daniels should have been a total scandal.
00:14:39.460 The reason why he needed to be resurrected, as he said, by Francis was because he was totally shunted by, well, after he was named Cardinal, but nonetheless, shunted by Pope JP II in the end of his papacy and also Benedict.
00:14:52.420 Why? Because not only is he on record as having been caught not only covering up, trying to, as you said, silence a victim about the sexual incestuous pedophilia of his uncle, who's a bishop under Daniels, but also because in the Catholic world, he was not pro-life at all.
00:15:18.080 In fact, he okayed the king of Belgium to go ahead and legalize abortion.
00:15:22.560 He actually is public about wearing a rainbow stall.
00:15:26.920 This is a scandal to the faith in so many ways, even the secular way, and yet Francis resurrects him in his own words.
00:15:35.440 Let's go on to another one of these figures that I think is really the central character in the story, and this is where we come up with some of the most, and you lay out some of the most fascinating details that explain Francis, that really, for all those of us who are scratching our heads going, where is he going?
00:15:54.920 What is up with this? I can't understand this, Pope.
00:15:59.360 Your book brings a clarity that really is hard to find, and it's because of this connection to the cardinal you mentioned off the top, Cardinal Martini, Archbishop of Milan.
00:16:12.140 Tell us a little bit more about him and his connection to Pope Francis.
00:16:14.440 He's the center of this book.
00:16:16.900 The book has many different chapters, many different personalities.
00:16:22.060 For most of the chapters, I try to pick one person to kind of focus on, and then I lay out an issue and a narrative based on that person.
00:16:32.160 So Martini has several chapters, but at the end of the day, he's the catalyst for everything, the center of gravity.
00:16:38.800 And Martini is interesting because we have testimony from Nicholas Dyat, who talked to a cardinal, and the cardinal indicated that Martini, in the 2005 conclave, under no circumstances, wanted to support Bergoglio.
00:16:59.060 So Silvestrini, who I mentioned earlier, was kind of spearheading the movement for Bergoglio to be backed by the mafia, but Martini was unpersuadable.
00:17:11.740 He would not support Bergoglio.
00:17:14.360 And then something happened, because if you look at the late Martini, Eugenio Scalfari indicates that when Martini was, you know, getting close to his deathbed in the last couple months,
00:17:27.360 he was talking about the positions that he shared with Bergoglio.
00:17:31.980 And then you also have, we have at least one of his works, again, I cite it in the book, but where Martini is quoting Bergoglio in his works.
00:17:46.220 Bergoglio loved to quote Martini.
00:17:48.620 We know that from Austin Ivory, who's the papal biographer of Francis.
00:17:53.740 But this was the time Martini was quoting Bergoglio.
00:17:57.660 So they have this interesting dynamic.
00:18:01.940 And then basically, what the book tries to lay out is the case that we have the ghost of Cardinal Martini after he dies.
00:18:11.180 And that phrase, ghost of Cardinal Martini, is a very eloquent phrase that the Vaticanista Edward Penton talks about in one of his pieces.
00:18:21.880 And I think for me, if I can just focus on one particular instance here, we've seen Pope Francis go to Eugenio Scalfari, the atheist, for a lot of interviews, right?
00:18:36.000 Now, there are multiple interviews that Martini gave to Scalfari.
00:18:43.520 And one of the interviews talked about the Pope being the Bishop of Rome.
00:18:51.440 And it also talked about having councils, and they would be serial.
00:18:59.840 And one of them would be the first one, the most important one to have would be on the divorced. 0.93
00:19:05.340 And then the second or third most important one would be on priestly celibacy.
00:19:10.920 If this is ringing a bell.
00:19:12.400 Oh, yeah, it should be.
00:19:13.820 You have Francis, who refers to himself over and over again as the Bishop of Rome.
00:19:17.980 We have this now ongoing synod over and over and over again.
00:19:22.960 And we had the very first, you know, very first one, extraordinary first, on the issue of the family, which was really all about, from its beginning, divorced, remarried communion.
00:19:33.460 And spearheaded by Casper.
00:19:34.740 Continue.
00:19:35.080 We have the Amazon synod that, you know, was supposed to make headway on the ordination of married men.
00:19:42.160 So that's, again, coming from Martini.
00:19:44.540 And the interesting thing is, when Pope Francis gave that kind of bombshell October 2013 interview with Scalfari,
00:19:54.960 one of the first things that he says in that interview is, they're talking about, they're kind of joking, like Scalfari is saying,
00:20:04.020 oh, my friends say you want to convert me.
00:20:06.600 And then Pope Francis assures him he doesn't want to convert him.
00:20:11.520 And then he says proselytism is solemn nonsense, according to the interview, of course.
00:20:18.340 In the Scalfari Martini interview from, I believe, somewhere around 2009,
00:20:25.800 this one that was talking about a council for the divorced,
00:20:28.220 a very similar thing happens at the beginning, where Martini says, don't worry, I'm not going to proselytize you.
00:20:36.260 So it's like very, a very tight connection between the two, I think.
00:20:41.740 It's amazing, you know, the layout of your book showing basically the plans of the Sangalan Mafia, 0.99
00:20:49.840 particularly of Martini, but also even his mentor, layout, and it's even called A Hundred Days of the First Pope,
00:20:59.120 but the absolute lockstep fashion in which this seems to be rolled out is incredible.
00:21:06.060 One of the things, for instance, that struck me was the issue of the red shoes.
00:21:09.480 Everybody remembers Francis Garburet of the red shoes.
00:21:12.660 But where was that in discussion by the Sangalan Mafia?
00:21:16.400 We have somewhere where Casper was joking about the red shoes.
00:21:20.460 And then we have, I found some testimony where his Martini's sister was talking about how Martini, 0.99
00:21:28.880 you know, as early as like the early 1980s, you know, he didn't like the red socks.
00:21:34.940 And I mean, this fixation seems kind of silly, right?
00:21:40.720 The different, talking about different items of clothing and everything.
00:21:46.100 But to these men, it was symbolic of a monarchical princely church versus a down-to-earth, so-called humble church.
00:21:57.700 And the book tries to kind of lay out how we can look at things like the choices about the shoes and everything and see a symbolism
00:22:09.160 and see how that eventually gets us to, the type of person who wants to do that is the same type of person
00:22:18.520 who might wave a white flag of surrender to the dictatorship of relativism, as Benedict called it.
00:22:27.200 I think one of the most striking things about Pope Francis was in one of the very first interviews,
00:22:34.300 the world was introduced to him, and it was so revolutionary.
00:22:38.560 His comment about homosexuality and same-sex civil relationships is saying,
00:22:43.980 who am I to judge? And if that's, that's, that's basically emblematic of Pope Francis,
00:22:51.120 not only on the issue of homosexuality, but it's sort of like on everything immoral.
00:22:55.940 But even that has its origin, not in Pope Francis, but in Martini, if you wouldn't mind explaining.
00:23:04.520 This is something that the, the Italian author, Antonio Sochi, really registers and, and wrote it, wrote about.
00:23:17.220 Basically, there's this eerie echo that you can hear when you take, who am I to judge?
00:23:24.500 And then you take something that Martini said, which is, I would never think of judging a same-sex couple.
00:23:33.660 Um, I'm loosely paraphrasing it, but the idea, um, I, I, I would never think to judge that is there.
00:23:43.620 And Sochi heard the connection and he actually, he has a book where, um, I forget which one of the books it is,
00:23:52.400 but, um, where he, he takes a bunch of statements from Pope Francis and just puts them side by side
00:24:01.300 with statements from Martini. And he basically says, you know, Francis seems to be using Martini's book,
00:24:10.360 Night, Night Conversations as a kind of canvas. Um, and, and again, I, I mentioned before, but we,
00:24:18.140 we know from Austin Ivory, the papal biographer, and he was actually the spokesperson for Murph,
00:24:25.400 Cardinal Cormac Murphy O'Connor, who's another mafia member. But, um, we know from him that, that,
00:24:31.820 that, that Bergoglio loved to quote Martini. So, um, sometimes he'll quote, even as Pope now,
00:24:40.180 sometimes he will quote Martini explicitly. And he did that, I think in December, I want to say 2021,
00:24:47.140 if it, if it wasn't 2021, it was 2020, but he, he quotes Martini's last speech where Martini was
00:24:55.520 saying like, you know, the church is 200 years behind, why won't the church rouse itself? So he
00:25:02.000 explicitly talks about, says that this is from Cardinal Martini, but then he has these other
00:25:06.800 moments where he says things like, um, we, we need to listen to, um, the, the, the God of surprises,
00:25:15.800 the surprises of the Holy spirit, that sort of thing. Martini is on record talking about the
00:25:21.400 surprises of the Holy spirit. So it's, it's very, it's very pervasive. Definitely.
00:25:27.860 I want to conclude with this, encourage people really to go out and get your book, uh, Sangala
00:25:32.760 Mafia, um, available from TAN Books and Publishers, uh, really faithful publishing house. Uh, congratulations
00:25:39.600 on the work, by the way, just amazing. But tell us, because this gives us sort of, um, an
00:25:45.700 indication of where Francis is coming from. One of the big questions we're left with is
00:25:50.600 where are we heading to? So from your research into the Sangala Mafia, where is this going?
00:25:57.420 What's the end goal here?
00:25:59.180 When I finished editing the book, it was the summer. It was, I think, beginning of July.
00:26:04.840 And just like maybe two weeks later, um, was when Tradiciones Custodas came out. And it's
00:26:12.680 obviously, you know, this, this kind of attack on the traditional Latin mass has obviously,
00:26:17.880 um, you know, it appears to be a devastating one. I think Peter Kwasniewski compared it to a
00:26:25.640 kind of like an atomic bomb, basically. And, um, I was, you know, even as someone who has studied
00:26:34.660 the mafia for this book, you know, I, I was surprised by what a, what a bombshell, um, you
00:26:42.700 know, that this development was. And I, I wrote kind of an article that I kind of view as kind
00:26:48.440 of an afterword, um, or companion to the book, because it just talks about how the, the mafia
00:26:55.180 also had, uh, a kind of war against the traditional Latin mass and Pope Benedict's sumorum pontificum,
00:27:04.240 um, which, which, um, tried to make it more wild, widely available. Um, so I think this
00:27:11.000 is, you know, one of the major battlegrounds that, um, is, you know, even it's even worse
00:27:16.860 than I, than I could have anticipated and predicted. And then we have the synod on synodality,
00:27:22.720 this kind of two-year process. And that, that just screams Martini because Martini, um, had
00:27:30.120 this 1999 dream speech where he, he basically laid out the groundwork for a series of synods.
00:27:39.200 Um, so this was before the Scalfari interview that talked about the council on the divorce
00:27:43.820 and it used code words, but you can read into it. And it's basically the same thing we were
00:27:49.760 talking about. It's things like deaconesses and priestly, priestly celibacy and that sort
00:27:55.360 of thing. But, um, to, to make, to focus so much on making the church synodal, I think
00:28:03.020 it's incredible. It's also incredibly devastating because, um, Edward Penton has a really great
00:28:09.420 article about how some experts are comparing permanent synodality, which is Martini's idea
00:28:16.900 to permanent revolution. So, um, to me, what I say to people is these two things, traditionis
00:28:25.840 custodis and the synod on synodality. Um, it's, it's like the mood of an end game. I mean, these
00:28:32.020 are, these are the prizes now. And, um, I, I, yeah, I'm, I'm incredibly worried. And I think
00:28:40.160 we need to just have a lot of, um, vigilance about this and continue to, to speak out. We've,
00:28:48.320 we've done this before with other synods and I think we can, we can do it again, just, you
00:28:52.420 know, monitoring the situation very, very carefully.
00:28:56.180 Julia, I know you as a very faithful Catholic, uh, someone who's very learned and studied,
00:29:02.900 and, and you've done a lot of research into this. You've seen the muck of things in a way
00:29:06.940 that few people have. How do you maintain your hope? And, uh, what do you see as, uh, the real
00:29:14.280 end to all of this?
00:29:15.280 A couple years ago, I think, I think you guys, LifeSite published, um, a reflection that Matthew
00:29:25.080 McCusker from, I believe, Voice of the Family did about, um, how it's, it's important when you're
00:29:32.020 in the pro-life, pro-family, um, any, any one of these movements, it's very important to, um,
00:29:39.980 have something concrete that keeps you hopeful, um, because it's, it's very, you know, it's,
00:29:47.440 it's very spiritually exhausting work to have to, to deal with this all the time. And he talks
00:29:53.640 specifically about Fatima and the first Saturday's devotion. And, um, that, that's something that's
00:30:00.380 really important to me. Um, I, I like to tell people one kind of way to live out the first
00:30:07.640 Saturday's devotion is if you can do it one time, all, all five Saturdays, you know, you might try
00:30:14.520 doing it kind of like a perpetual first, first Saturday, um, devotion. So I've done that when I
00:30:21.860 can, where I'll just do another five Saturdays. And then if I can, I'll do another five Saturdays,
00:30:26.720 but that's something concrete that I think kind of keeps us, gives us graces to continue on.
00:30:34.680 And in terms of how this ends, um, it ends with, with the, the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of
00:30:39.980 Mary. So that's why it's so important. Um, it's important to remember Martini and the St.
00:30:47.540 Gallin Mafia, they, they don't have the last, the last word on any of this. And it's, it's up to us 1.00
00:30:53.100 to be faithful to our vocations and, um, to try to, to do as our lady has asked and to just have hope
00:31:03.260 that, that we will see what she has promised. Amen. Julia Maloney, thank you so much for being
00:31:09.840 with us on this episode of the John Hinder Weston show. Thank you so much for having me. May God bless
00:31:15.340 you. Thank you. And God bless all of you. We'll see you next time. Make sure to go get Julia's book.
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