The two main reasons conservatives are losing
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John Droz is an independent physicist and founder of the Alliance for Wise Energy Decisions. He is a longtime environmental advocate and has pushed back for decades on the far-left climate agenda. He has been targeted by the left as one of the most significant activists getting in the way of liberal climate change plans in the U.S. He s particularly notable for his advocacy in North Carolina where he successfully lobbied state lawmakers to drop climate change proposals. Now, after the 2020 election, Droz s team of experts created multiple reports about election issues, part of which were used by Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell in court cases.
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Hello and welcome to this special episode of the John Henry Weston Show. We're going
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to be speaking today with John Droz. He's an independent physicist and founder of the
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Alliance for Wise Energy Decisions. He's a longtime environmental advocate and he has
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pushed back for decades on the far left climate agenda. He's been targeted by the left as
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one of the most significant activists getting in the way of liberal climate change plans
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in the U.S. He's particularly notable for his advocacy in North Carolina where he's
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successfully lobbied state lawmakers to drop climate change plans. Now, after the 2020
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election, Droz put together a team of experts created multiple reports about election issues,
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part of which were used by Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell in court cases. You're going to want to stay tuned.
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Let's begin as we always do at the sign of the cross. In the name of the Father and of the Son
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and of the Holy Ghost. Amen. John Droz, thank you for joining us on the program.
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So how do we get from the findings, scientific findings of massive anomaly to the fact that
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you reviewed, I think, 80 court cases, election challenges, and all of them being dismissed,
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I think at this point, nearly all of them. What do you make of that? And are there any still
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There's 83 or so is what we have on our list here. They have not all been dismissed. There's,
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I think, I'm doing this by memory, I think there's 18 that have yet to be adjudicated out of that number.
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The largest, we then divided, and I had quite a few attorneys look at this too,
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because I'm not an attorney, and they have their own language and all.
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So I've had quite a few attorneys, like 20 look at this, and I've gotten some improvements,
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so by and large, they agree with what we're saying. So anyways, excuse me, the largest category
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that these fell into was that, the category we decided were appropriate, was the cases that were
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dismissed for legal technicalities. In other words, the case wasn't really heard,
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you know, where there was evidence provided and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The case was dismissed,
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and that's really what happened in those most recent Supreme Court decision. They didn't hear at
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all. They didn't listen to anything. They didn't look at anything. I don't know, maybe they looked at
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prior things, but the whole thing up to that point was a bunch of same type of actions.
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They missed because it's moot. In other words, that was one of the reasons given by the Supreme
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Court. In other words, that they're saying, we're not going to review this because it's too late to
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do anything about it. Okay. Well, that's absurd. That's absurd. Well, go into that. Why is that absurd?
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Why shouldn't it be? Well, because what's happened here is going to happen again.
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Unless it's fixed, we're going to just keep going through the cycle over and over again. So there
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was definitely a lot of things that happened were wrong, and we need to acknowledge those. We need
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to address those. In your take, is it wrong enough to have swung the election?
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Oh, absolutely. Again, one of the things that we tried to do was, for instance, in all our reports,
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we tried to purposely avoid using the word fraud as an example. Because fraud has a legal
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connotation to it, and we're trying to be, actually, our reports are generally written for the public.
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So what the public term, use of the term fraud is different from what a judge or a lawyer's attorney
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use, the word fraud would be. Well, that's sort of an important distinction that the press,
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unfortunately, just sort of dismisses. So one of the things that the press says, one of their
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narratives is that there hasn't been any widespread fraud.
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In the 2020 election. Well, the key word there is widespread. No one is defining what
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widespread means. At least I haven't seen it defined. See, the implication is that this isn't
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worth looking into unless there is extreme examples of fraud here. But that's simply not true. That's not
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what's the story. As anybody following the election would know, the whole election came down to
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four or five swing states. And widespread doesn't mean a 50% error or 20% error or even a 10% error. In fact,
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if there was a 5% errors, let's say, false votes for whatever reason, that would be enough to change the
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entire election. So I wouldn't call a 5% amount. And actually, in some cases, it'd be less than 5%. But
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I wouldn't call 5% that the public would say that's widespread. But that's part of the misleading
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narrative, in my view. So from what we've seen, we've tried not to assign where the fault is.
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In our Pennsylvania and our Michigan report, for example, what our focus was to say, are there
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statistical aberrations here that are hard to explain under normal circumstances? And the answer is
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unequivocally, yes. What are the types of irregularities or these abnormalities that you saw?
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Well, types is the type of thing we didn't so much get into. We were just looking at statistics here,
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as far as Michigan and Pennsylvania. So that's the question to say, okay, if this particular
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vote here by this county had one chance of a million of happening, the next question would be,
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well, what caused that? Well, that wasn't really our job. We don't have the data for that. We didn't
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have the time for that. All we could say is that's where the problem is. Now, here's a parallel to it.
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The parallel is that if you had somebody that was a neighbor of yours, a woman, let's say,
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a married couple that had just gotten divorced, and all of a sudden the woman disappears, doesn't
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show up. So she's still living with her husband, former husband. So everybody starts looking to say,
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well, where is this woman? What happened to her? Well, they start looking to the husband and say,
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well, maybe he had something to do with it. Well, then it turns out she had a boyfriend.
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Well, maybe he had something to do with it. Well, then it turns out she had some dealings with
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a loan shark here. Well, maybe he had something to do with it. Blah, blah, blah, blah. There's all
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sorts of possibilities. But until they can actually find a body, the law enforcement is pretty well
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handicapped to come up with an answer. It's easy to speculate. I could make a dozen speculations.
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So that's sort of what we have here. We are in a situation here where what our job is,
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our team's job, was to come in and to find the body. So we're saying, okay, in Pennsylvania,
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there's 67 counties. People are saying Philadelphia is where the most corruption is. Well, maybe
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that is where it's a corrupt place. But the fact is, looking at the statistics,
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Philadelphia County wasn't even in the top five aberration counts. The number one county was
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Montgomery. So for people to go look in Philadelphia, even though there'd be some
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thought about that, is in our view, a waste of time. They should be looking at Montgomery County.
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Right. And what's the kind of extremity that you saw in Montgomery County?
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Well, that's explained in our Pennsylvania report here. It just had a lot of aberrations
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compared to other statistical things here. In other words, comparing county to county,
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as they say, you look, we compared all 67 counties to each other as one thing. So fun,
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people can say, well, there's more absentee, Democratic ballots this year, blah, blah, blah.
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So okay, well, we're comparing all those things, one county to another. But looking at what happened
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in Montgomery County was completely different than what happened in Philadelphia County or Allegheny
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County or other counties like that. So it's comparing one to another. Another would be to compare
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2020 results to 2016 results, as an example. So we were limited by the amount of data we actually had,
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but statisticians, I mean, they're numbered people. So the more numbers you give them,
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the more they can analyze it. So the bottom line is that we identified the five worst counties in
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Pennsylvania, and that's effectively where the body is. So the next level is required that somebody has
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to do an investigation there, somebody like Russ Ramblin or somebody else to come in and do a forensic
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audit of one or more of those counties. That would be the appropriate thing to do. Just like an
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investigator would look at a body. Once we found the body, then the question is, okay, how did they die?
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Who did it? And then there's some other people in the series here that have to do their job.
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Our job is to get the ball rolling in the right direction.
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Right. So at this point, such an investigation even doesn't look very hopeful,
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at least from my vantage point. Does it look hopeful from yours?
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Well, probably not. Unfortunately, I would say from what we know, there has been a few.
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There's one going on in Arizona, Maricopa County. That's one that they are doing some investigation
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on. But by and large, they haven't done. And I think a lot of it has to do with the media
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mantra saying, well, there really isn't that big a problem here. And yeah, there may be some
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really extreme abnormalities, but it isn't worth the time and trouble to look into.
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On the other hand, I do know we have gotten to know some legislators. And some legislators,
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particularly in states where the legislators are GOP, they are trying to do something about it.
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So for instance, in Georgia this last week, they did pass some, what appears to be some
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meaningful legislation in the Assembly, the House of Georgia. And the Senate is working on something
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similar, maybe even more strongly. On the other hand, people on the left here,
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they're talking about things like HR1, whatever. This is really bad stuff, in my view here. And
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my big picture view here, John, is that the left keeps out maneuvering the right here on
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all these issues. And there's two reasons why. The two reasons why? Yes.
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The two reasons why are, and I say this from being in this business, if you will, for 50 years.
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I've worked with thousands of people. So my view is that there's two problems with people on the
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right. Number one, I'm talking about particularly groups, let's say conservative organizations in the
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United States. These are at least people who have some money, some presence here as far as the media,
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whatever. First problem is that these groups here, even though they have a lot of commonality of
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interests, they don't work very well together. They just don't. I mean, this is an enormous
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mixed opportunity in my view. I'm talking about people like Heritage, Heartland, CEI, blah, blah,
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blah. These are groups here. So part of that is that I took the time and trouble to actually do some
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research to say, how many conservative-leaning groups are there, national ones, in the United
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I couldn't find one, so I made up one by doing some research. So in checking it out, going to
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their website, looking into what their mission statement, stuff like that was, I was able to
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identify. We're talking about conservative-leaning, national, not local, regional groups, national
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groups here. I was able to identify, I've said at this point, over 130. Well, that's right. That's
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typically the answer. Most people, if I ask how many conservative-leaning national groups are there,
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they say, well, 10 to 15 or 20 or something like that. Well, I have the names of 130. So that's part of the
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problem. Think of what we could do if these 130 people were working together. 130 groups, I mean,
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working together. But no. No. The irony is, if you look at it on the other side, the left is working
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together. Comparable organizations. So if you take the Sierra Club, Union of Concerned Scientists,
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Greenpeace, et cetera, those people actually work together. They have meetings. They come up with plans
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of actions here. They come up with messaging. The whole kit and caboodle, they work together
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significantly more than groups do on the right. To me, that's an extraordinary deficiency here.
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I'm a big believer in some simple idioms like united we stand, divided we fall. I don't know what's
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going to take before people on the right saying, hey, what we're doing here isn't working. So that's
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problem number one. And believe me, I'm saying this from the outside. I'm saying this from working
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with these people very closely. Second problem is that in messaging, the people on the right here
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just have very little understanding of public relations and what I would call more sophisticated
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communication. They're antiquated in what their messaging is based on. Again, if you look at the
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left, say, how does the left doing a messaging? Oh my God. It's a hugely different, hugely different.
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The left understands messaging much, much better than the right does. So as a simple example, the left here
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has decided some time ago that an important part of getting their message across was, is that they had to
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infuse into the vocabulary words, phrases that were supportive of their agenda.
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So like what? Well, I've identified like 50. So this example is the phrase wind farm.
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So there's no such thing as a wind farm. That's a completely made up phrase. Wind farm doesn't exist.
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The only thing that's farmed on a wind facility is subsidies. But they know they're going into rural
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areas here and they knew that rural people wouldn't be particularly happy about having an industrial
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wind complex plopped down in their backyard or on a farm field or whatever else. So they purposely came up
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with the phrase, this is a wind farm because they wanted to send a message that this was bucolic, pastoral,
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stuff like that. It's none of those things. It's a complete lie. It's an industrial complex. But the left knew
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that to convey this to the public, they had to remessage what was really going on here. So to me,
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that's an example of I give you other clean energy. There's a whole bunch of them. In fact,
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I'll send you a paper. I put together a list of some of these. So number one is that these people
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are doing this on the left. Now, if I look for examples that are on the right, I see,
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like, I don't know, 1% of what's being done on the left here, a huge difference. The people on
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the right don't get the importance of the vocabulary in our vernacular. They just don't get it. I mean,
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I'll ask you, you can tell me any examples that the right has made up these types of things that
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No, it does seem like there's a big move. Concession is a very good, seemingly,
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way we do things on the right. It's funny. From our own field, we know that we had the
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marriage wars over same-sex marriage, and we've insisted on using scare quotes around the term
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marriage. But most of our own colleagues in the same fight has said, oh, well, no, we've got to go
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past that. So there is a definite want to concede. And I find that with a lot of conservatives,
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the want to just, yeah, but we want to be normal, so we have to give in on this, that,
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and the other thing. It's a very strong tendency, I find, with people on the right, for sure.
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Well, I agree with you 100% here. And I said the same thing. I've got up at meetings here with
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scientists and say, please extract the phrase wind farm out of your vocabulary. There is no such thing.
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You want to say wind facility or wind project or a whole bunch of other alternative things you can
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say. And then the very next person who gets up, a PhD, conservative, says wind farm.
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No, not purposely, but just as a matter of rote. You're just used to saying wind farm.
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So we're just not paying attention. And that's what I mean. We're losing the PR messaging war here
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because the left here is much more tuned in about what needs to be done as far as messaging. So
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the public is buying a lot of the baloney sell by the left because the right isn't working together
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to come up with uniformity. And number two, has little understanding of the communication PR
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To me, those are the two big things. And I would hope you and your group here write about that,
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because we need to bring more attention to that. That has to be fixed.
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Awesome. John Drost, thank you so much for being with us on this episode of the John
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Thank you, John Henry. I appreciate the opportunity.
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And God bless all of you. We'll see you next time.
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