The John-Henry Westen Show - The untold secrets of the Fatima consecration of Russia by Pope John Paul II

00:00:00.000 John Paul was very stern and said, take the statue, go back.

00:00:11.280 And he said, I traveled back to Portugal with the statue sitting on my chair with the seatbelt

00:00:17.240 around Our Lady of Fatima's statue.

00:00:19.580 And he said, I drove straight to her.

00:00:23.180 And this is where we get to my, I have a simple thesis on this.

00:00:29.940 Which is, do we need to know whether the consecration has been done or not?

00:00:36.340 There's a lot of consternation.

00:00:37.900 Everyone's arguing it hasn't been done.

00:00:40.120 Some are saying it's been done.

00:00:41.920 But what everyone can agree on is the consecration hasn't been done exactly like Our Lady requested.

00:00:51.480 So it goes back.

00:00:54.260 Coming soon on The John Henry Weston Show.

00:00:58.940 With the Russia-Ukraine conflict right now, the whole wide world is confused.

00:01:05.820 But it also brings up Fatima back into attention.

00:01:09.400 From 1917, Our Lady promised that if Russia was converted, it would be the source of salvation

00:01:19.260 for the world, the re-Christianization of the world. 0.98

00:01:21.940 Not only that, she promised that if it wasn't consecrated to her Immaculate Heart, as she

00:01:27.380 requested, that it would also be the instrument of punishment for the world, and it would spread

00:01:32.700 its errors throughout the world.

00:01:34.040 That when it was done, and it would be done late, it would convert.

00:01:39.680 And Russia would convert, that is. 0.87

00:01:42.160 And a period of peace will be given to the world.

00:01:44.480 So the key to peace right now is all to do with Fatima and the consecration of Russia. 0.93

00:01:50.060 There is probably no one on earth more poised to talk about this than our next guest.

00:01:55.640 His name is Charles Morton.

00:01:56.880 He was involved with a lot of things.

00:01:58.940 He has nine children.

00:01:59.840 He's a very faithful Catholic.

00:02:01.140 He's got a beautiful story of his own.

00:02:02.460 But the story of his that is so important right now for the world is his story about his work

00:02:09.140 on the consecration of Russia.

00:02:10.720 He's seen Sister Lucia.

00:02:13.540 He's interviewed Sister Lucia, interviewed her spiritual director, interviewed all sorts

00:02:18.700 of people in preparation of a key documentary that he's putting together.

00:02:23.280 Not only has he interviewed Sister Lucia herself, but also he's been to Russia a few times, met

00:02:31.280 with all sorts of very important, high-ranking bishops there.

00:02:35.640 Bishop Tikhon, Archbishop Hilarion, and also been in the palace of, or the chapel of even,

00:02:44.320 Kirill, who's the patriarch there.

00:02:47.460 Also met with very high-ranking members of the government there, Putin's secretary, in

00:02:54.760 fact.

00:02:55.680 This is Charles Morton.

00:02:57.140 This is his revelations.

00:02:58.720 And it's going to be incredible about not only the third secret of Fatima, also about

00:03:04.820 the need for the consecration of Russia from a perspective you will not have heard of.

00:03:09.740 This is the John Henry Weston Show.

00:03:11.700 Stay tuned.

00:03:12.160 Charles Morton, welcome to the program.

00:03:35.200 Thank you, John Henry, for inviting me.

00:03:38.740 Let's begin, as we always do, with the sign of the cross.

00:03:40.680 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

00:03:46.260 Amen.

00:03:48.360 It's a real pleasure for me.

00:03:50.600 It's a grace for me to be bringing you Charles Martin.

00:03:54.960 Charles is a great guy who I met in Rome, and it was really neat.

00:03:59.880 I remember sitting with him in a cafe in Rome where he described his family and what he's

00:04:05.120 been doing, and I was stunned with 10 children and an incredible history of both life and

00:04:12.600 suffering and redemption.

00:04:15.300 And then working with Mel Gibson, Jim Caviezel, and all these great stars.

00:04:19.860 It's an amazing thing.

00:04:20.620 Charles, if you could start off with that, tell us a little bit about yourself.

00:04:24.040 I'm a lawyer.

00:04:29.000 It's my professional qualification.

00:04:31.460 I got out of law and then into business in 1996, but those sort of skills don't leave you.

00:04:38.660 And I started down this track many years ago, and I went to Fatima for a trip of Thanksgiving

00:04:49.800 for something that happened with our family, and that was in 2000.

00:04:56.160 And I asked the Virgin Mary, the Blessed Virgin Mary, if she'd like me to use my skills for her.

00:05:04.340 And anyhow, she gave me enough, what I think, incontrovertible signs to start down this track.

00:05:13.420 So I had the privilege to meet Sister Lucia back in 2004.

00:05:20.820 But before that, I'd met Mr Gibson, and I was on the very periphery of the film.

00:05:28.500 And I was lucky enough to be on set for a number of times.

00:05:34.340 He's an extraordinary filmmaker, and Jim is an extraordinary actor.

00:05:39.200 What they did for the world with that movie is just incredible.

00:05:44.680 So I actually showed Sister Lucia the movie, The Passion of the Christ, on behalf of Mel.

00:05:53.180 And I got to meet and speak with her.

00:05:58.880 And look, it's been an amazing journey.

00:06:03.640 When I went in to meet with her, the priest said to me,

00:06:07.780 please, no questions about the consecration.

00:06:11.560 And I've been brought up to follow the directions of a priest.

00:06:16.800 And so I felt terrible about it.

00:06:19.840 There she was, standing across the bars from me. 0.70

00:06:24.080 And I couldn't ask her about this consecration.

00:06:28.720 You know what, Charles, that's...

00:06:31.780 Now, this is the priest who's with Sister Lucia

00:06:34.700 telling you not to ask about the consecration of Russia.

00:06:40.420 Why not?

00:06:41.920 Her spiritual confessor, Father Condor.

00:06:44.560 Look, first of all, I thought, you know, he doesn't...

00:06:49.460 He wants to keep this strictly to the film.

00:06:52.420 And then after sort of getting right into it

00:06:56.880 and trying to understand where we're at,

00:06:59.260 I think the answer is more along the lines,

00:07:03.540 he didn't know what she would say, right?

00:07:06.700 He couldn't be what her answer would be.

00:07:09.180 You know, the church said that in 1981 they did a consecration.

00:07:14.780 And then someone went to Sister Lucia and she said,

00:07:17.560 no, it hasn't been done.

00:07:19.700 So they then did the consecration on the 25th of March, 2000...

00:07:26.180 Sorry, 1984.

00:07:27.900 And anyhow, after meeting Sister Lucia, showing the film,

00:07:37.220 and there's some more things that happened while we showed the film,

00:07:40.880 but I'll keep that for the documentary that's coming out.

00:07:47.680 After that, I did an interview with Father Condor,

00:07:50.600 and he said he rarely does interviews.

00:07:52.840 And I've got a two-hour interview done in 2004 on the 25th of March,

00:08:01.820 which is the 20-year consecration.

00:08:04.460 In fact, in the interview, he says, he looks at his watch and he said,

00:08:08.440 right now, at this particular time, I was in Rome at the consecration.

00:08:14.020 After the consecration, he was sent back...

00:08:17.620 He was asked to come back to one of the upper rooms in St. Peter's.

00:08:22.180 And he said, I was there with a group of cardinals.

00:08:25.400 I was the only priest.

00:08:27.400 And Pope John Paul said, has the consecration been done?

00:08:32.120 And he said...

00:08:35.300 Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.

00:08:36.780 So this is after Pope John Paul II has done the consecration of the world in 84,

00:08:45.100 and then he's meeting with a group of cardinals after he's already done it?

00:08:49.700 Straight after he's done the consecration.

00:08:53.160 Straight up.

00:08:54.680 They go back into, and I'm presuming it's the room where the Pope comes out after he's elected,

00:09:00.680 somewhere like that.

00:09:02.220 He doesn't specifically say, but he says he's in the room with the Holy Father

00:09:06.920 and all these cardinals.

00:09:10.060 And the Holy Father says, has the consecration been done?

00:09:13.620 And they all look at him, and he puts his hands up and says, you know,

00:09:18.420 I don't know, I haven't got the ESP with Sister Lucere.

00:09:21.820 And he said, John Paul was very stern and said, take the statue, go back.

00:09:28.440 And he said, I travelled back to Portugal with the statue sitting on my chair,

00:09:33.560 with the seatbelt around Our Lady of Fatima's statue.

00:09:36.020 And he said, and I drove straight to her.

00:09:40.380 And this is where we get to my, I have a simple thesis on this,

00:09:46.820 which is, do we need to know whether the consecration has been done or not?

00:09:53.460 There's a lot of consternation.

00:09:55.220 Everyone's arguing it hasn't been done.

00:09:57.240 Some are saying it's been done.

00:09:58.620 But what everyone can agree on is that consecration hasn't been done exactly

00:10:05.980 like Our Lady requested. 0.76

00:10:08.420 So he goes back to Sister Lucere.

00:10:12.080 And Cardinal Bertone says that he had this discussion.

00:10:16.520 But this is on tape from the man who actually asked Sister Lucere.

00:10:21.820 And he said, and I was very specific, because in my former life,

00:10:25.500 I was a trial lawyer, and you watch the subtext, you watch the reactions,

00:10:30.440 you know, and that guides your next question.

00:10:33.580 Well, he said, I sat in front of Sister Lucere, and I said,

00:10:38.260 has the consecration been done?

00:10:41.620 And she looked at me and answered, heaven has accepted the consecration.

00:10:48.080 And I said to Father, Father, look, I'm a bit of a different mix.

00:10:53.640 I'm a filmmaker and a former trial lawyer.

00:10:58.720 And I said, I look for subtext, and there's subtext in that answer.

00:11:03.120 And he said, what do you mean?

00:11:04.940 I said, you asked her a yes or no question, right?

00:11:10.700 He could have answered it, yes or no.

00:11:12.740 Has it been done?

00:11:13.580 Yes.

00:11:13.880 Has it been done?

00:11:14.680 No.

00:11:15.500 But no, she chooses heaven has accepted the consecration.

00:11:19.780 And so, implicit in that, I said to him, I believe she's saying, it hasn't been done

00:11:29.260 exactly like I asked, but heaven has accepted the consecration.

00:11:34.340 Now, if it hasn't been done exactly like she asked, what are the consequences?

00:11:39.960 And everyone's saying, everyone who says consecration's been done, let's forget about it.

00:11:44.720 They miss one more.

00:11:46.220 Let's come back to the consequences in just a second.

00:11:50.180 Yes.

00:11:50.560 Because this is so fascinating.

00:11:52.200 I think this is some of the first time people are hearing this information.

00:11:57.600 So, John Paul II.

00:12:00.440 If I can just tell you this, I have sat on this information not knowing when to release it

00:12:06.940 to the world, right?

00:12:08.480 But the interview with Father Congor is incredible.

00:12:12.440 But you asked me to do it.

00:12:15.180 There's a war in Russia.

00:12:17.020 And you, sorry, there's a war in Ukraine.

00:12:19.160 Russia's involved.

00:12:20.760 And we have to get the consecration done exactly like she asked.

00:12:25.980 So, sorry for interrupting.

00:12:27.000 Absolutely.

00:12:28.340 But this is mind-blowing information because that part of the story, it's not told.

00:12:36.700 That John Paul II, after he did the consecration in 84, the one that everybody says in the documents

00:12:43.400 from 2000, Vatican says it was done, it was done, it was done.

00:12:45.960 John Paul II questioned whether it was done.

00:12:51.700 He went to a room full of cardinals and Father Congor, who is the spiritual director for Sister

00:12:57.080 Lucia, and asks, has it been done?

00:13:00.960 And then when he can't really answer, sends him back with the statue on a plane right to

00:13:07.280 Portugal to Sister Lucia, and then says, please ask her.

00:13:12.120 Then he goes in to ask, and it happens as you related.

00:13:15.900 He asks her this question, very much a yes or no.

00:13:19.060 She gives this kind of heaven has accepted. 0.85

00:13:21.520 So, as you picked up, I would say miraculously, but you were set up for that job.

00:13:26.420 My goodness.

00:13:27.940 So, continue from there.

00:13:30.020 So, now let's go back to the consequences.

00:13:31.340 I'm sorry, I needed to just get that incredible news.

00:13:37.460 And John Henry did this more.

00:13:39.320 I'd heard it said, and it was all hearsay, John Paul was asking on the day, why can't

00:13:47.140 I mention Russia?

00:13:48.260 Why can't I mention Russia?

00:13:49.740 And you hear all these, who's the man that will be able to answer that?

00:13:54.680 It's Cardinal Chivich, his private secretary at the time.

00:13:58.640 And so, I thought, what the heck?

00:14:01.560 And I flew into Krakow.

00:14:03.920 I didn't have an appointment.

00:14:05.360 I leave it all up to the Holy Ghost.

00:14:08.020 He's my coordinator through all these things.

00:14:11.280 And I approached his office, and they told me, go get nicked.

00:14:16.300 And then I met a young man at a traditional Latin mass who spoke perfect English and Polish.

00:14:24.080 And so, I got him to help me out.

00:14:27.100 And finally, and I just, I didn't have a flight time out of there.

00:14:31.580 I was going to wait until I got this interview.

00:14:34.240 And sure enough, then they told me that he will see me for five minutes.

00:14:39.220 But he wouldn't let the camera roll.

00:14:41.320 He'd let the audio roll.

00:14:42.680 And I got an interview with the translator, who was just stunned at the interview.

00:14:48.860 And they said, he'll give you five minutes.

00:14:50.520 Well, he was just incredibly gracious.

00:14:53.060 And he gave me not quite an hour, nearly an hour.

00:14:56.800 And I asked him the question, did Pope John Paul say, why can't I mention Russia on the day of the consecration?

00:15:04.120 And he looks at me, and he smiles, and he's ever the diplomat.

00:15:08.580 And he said, it sounds like something he would have said.

00:15:13.520 Now, you would like a church official to just say yes or no some of the time, wouldn't you?

00:15:20.540 But I think what he was saying is, of course, John Paul did say, why can't I mention Russia?

00:15:28.220 And there's a whole history behind why he couldn't mention Russia.

00:15:31.620 And it goes back to the beginning of the Second Vatican Council.

00:15:35.600 And I don't know, do you want to hear that reason?

00:15:39.040 Sure.

00:15:39.700 Yeah, please.

00:15:41.060 And before the Second Vatican Council, Pope John XXIII requested members from the Russian Orthodox attend the Second Vatican Council.

00:15:57.340 And they were knocking him back, and he really desperately wanted to include the Orthodox, the Russian Orthodox, and other Orthodox churches at Second Vatican Council.

00:16:07.500 And they said, no, no, no, no, no.

00:16:09.660 And then finally, he got a meeting with them.

00:16:14.640 And it was on a town, and I've forgotten the name, but it's in my notes.

00:16:19.000 It's on a town on the border of France and Germany.

00:16:23.340 And anyhow, the KGB were in charge of the meeting.

00:16:29.220 They sent four representatives down there, and they were Russian Orthodox, but there was also, they're thought to be KGB members at the time, because they ruled Russia.

00:16:39.340 They ruled the church at that time.

00:16:41.840 They came and they met.

00:16:43.660 Now, Pope John sent his delegate, which was a cardinal called Montigny, and he was there negotiating with them, and they agreed to come to the Second Vatican Council.

00:16:59.920 But there was this proviso, nothing to be said about Russia, no mention of Russia, no criticism of the Communist Party, nothing to be said about Russia.

00:17:13.220 So he agrees to do it, and they send four delegates to the Vatican II, and that's a whole other story.

00:17:22.260 You know, until we can unpack what's going on with our church, we've got to know what happened at Vatican II.

00:17:29.420 But anyhow, they took out, and of course, through the course of Vatican II, Pope John dies, and they appoint the new Pope, Paul VI, and it's Cardinal Montigny.

00:17:42.320 And he's very aware that they can't mention Russia.

00:17:48.180 So there's this whole diplomatic protocol that exists in the Vatican right up until 1991, no mention, nothing adverse against Russia.

00:17:59.420 But of course, down comes communism, right, in 1991.

00:18:04.480 Those rules are gone now, right?

00:18:07.760 And I was here thinking, how do we get this consecration?

00:18:13.040 I've got to go into Russia.

00:18:14.400 And I've been into Russia now three times.

00:18:16.980 I've met some fantastic people, all the way up to one of the private secretaries of Mr. Putin, and just incredible people.

00:18:26.380 And the Russian people, I've got to say, I travel the world a lot, or I used to before COVID.

00:18:32.840 And they're just beautiful people.

00:18:35.560 I had one chance to go into Libya, so I took it, and it was as scary as all hell. 0.98

00:18:40.940 I was going in there to look at their building.

00:18:43.080 But the people, they're just magnificent.

00:18:45.440 And, you know, this whole business where we think of the Russian bear and they're, you know, they're just like us.

00:18:53.140 They're children of God.

00:18:54.380 It's amazing.

00:18:55.980 So I went into Russia and started asking.

00:19:00.600 I met, who's now Bishop Tikhon, the Metropolitan for Moscow.

00:19:05.340 I met Metropolitan Kirillian.

00:19:09.560 I haven't met Patriarch Kirill, but I did, on the day you and I met, later that afternoon, I did an interview with Bishop Schneider.

00:19:18.220 And he speaks fluent Russian.

00:19:20.520 He is the most beautiful prelate you can ever meet, I think.

00:19:24.580 Anyhow, he does a plea as to why Russia should consecrate,

00:19:29.880 why Russia should be consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, to Patriarch Kirill.

00:19:36.840 Now, I've sent it in.

00:19:37.760 I haven't heard anything.

00:19:39.300 But I'm not stopping John Henry.

00:19:41.560 We have to do this.

00:19:43.700 So going back to the actual where Father Condor asked Sister Lucia,

00:19:51.780 has the consecration been done?

00:19:53.840 And she answers, heaven has accepted the consecration.

00:19:57.580 And I then put this scenario, it's a yes or no answer.

00:20:01.520 Now, right at the beginning of my interview, I asked Father Condor about the appearance of Our Lady in Fatima on the 13th of August.

00:20:12.260 And they were taken by the Mayor, Turo, back to a neighbouring town and they were put in the council locker,

00:20:20.640 the kids on the 13th.

00:20:22.400 So they had to miss it.

00:20:23.380 And the town folk of Fatima were outraged and they went and they were eventually released after, you know,

00:20:30.020 despicable things being said to the kids, boiling them in oil to, you know, tell them the story.

00:20:35.440 Anyway, they are down at the cover and it was on the 19th of February and a lady appeared to them in the cover.

00:20:47.920 And then she said, have you been here on the 13th of August, as I had requested, midday on the 13th of each month for the six months?

00:21:01.120 And anyway, had you been here, then the miracle of the 13th of October would have been far bigger, affected the hearts of all people, seen by more people, and shortened the length of the First World War.

00:21:20.260 Again, it relates back to war.

00:21:24.100 That's what...

00:21:24.760 So, wait, that's...

00:21:27.080 Okay, that's also monumental.

00:21:29.120 Hold on.

00:21:29.500 So, the miracle that was already seen by 70,000 on October the 13th would have been bigger, seen by the whole world?

00:21:39.140 No, no.

00:21:39.900 And the...

00:21:40.260 Seen by more people.

00:21:42.240 More people?

00:21:43.220 But the length of the First World War would have been shortened.

00:21:47.100 Had the consecration been done exactly like Our Lady Overs.

00:21:52.220 Now, Father Condor says that.

00:21:55.640 Really?

00:21:56.880 And he, you know...

00:21:58.880 So, I needed independent proof of this alleged, you know, what Our Lady said on the 19th.

00:22:07.520 And I was with Bob Moynihan from the editor of Inside the Vatican at Front Royal over near Washington.

00:22:16.900 And we'd been to Mass and we came back and we're sitting down and we're talking about all things Fathom in a pancake shop.

00:22:25.160 Bob is a fascinating man who's doing so much to open.

00:22:29.060 And it was because of Bob that I got into Russia, you know, and his contacts in there are incredible.

00:22:35.400 And he is a lovely man.

00:22:38.460 Anyway, we were sitting there talking about Fatima.

00:22:43.680 And we finished our pancakes, walked outside and this lady came up and she said, 0.98

00:22:47.860 excuse me, in a very, you know, distinct New York accent, excuse me, I heard you talking about Fatima.

00:22:56.120 And I go, yes, yes.

00:22:57.300 And she said, there is two books that I've got to recommend that say everything.

00:23:03.580 And I said, all right, what are the two books?

00:23:06.880 And she told me the name and I text them down and I sent them home to my wife to buy them.

00:23:11.980 And after we finished speaking, I did that.

00:23:15.960 But I said, now, what's your name?

00:23:18.360 And she said, my name's Mary.

00:23:20.400 And I said, right, that's it.

00:23:22.400 I will buy those books.

00:23:24.540 And she told me she was from New York.

00:23:27.940 But anyhow, I bought those books and it's a breakdown in every miracle.

00:23:32.100 And sure enough, you go to the 13th of August and here it is.

00:23:36.600 And it gives the time on the 19th and what Our Lady says.

00:23:43.440 But it doesn't say, and the First World War will be shortened.

00:23:48.220 That came from Father Condon's mouth.

00:23:50.760 But it's incredible. 1.00

00:23:52.280 Like, to me, it's simple, stupid. 1.00

00:23:55.600 Don't get brought up in asking whether or not it's been consecrated. 1.00

00:23:59.180 It hasn't.

00:23:59.660 We know that the full graces flow if the consecration is done exactly like Our Lady asked.

00:24:08.560 We've got a war going on between Russia and Ukraine.

00:24:14.420 And the Pope actually dedicated his priesthood to Fatima.

00:24:21.400 And yet it's just kicked under the carpet.

00:24:25.000 Oh, yes, that happened long ago, bad luck.

00:24:26.900 Goodbye.

00:24:27.240 You know, it's just not on.

00:24:30.100 We've got to do it exactly like Our Lady asked.

00:24:33.800 And Russia now should be asking exactly that.

00:24:37.900 I've heard the Ukrainian bishops are asking.

00:24:40.740 I think we can do a consecration to Russia and one to Ukraine.

00:24:44.820 Let's do it exactly like Our Lady asked. 1.00

00:24:48.080 Sorry.

00:24:48.300 It's no, it's so monumental.

00:24:52.280 Because that day we actually met in person for the first time was the day Cardinal Burke called for the consecration of Russia explicitly, as Our Lady desired.

00:25:03.560 Of course, then Bishop Schneider very enthusiastically signed on to that same request.

00:25:10.700 LifeSite launched a petition to the Holy Father to do that very thing.

00:25:15.240 And then now we have, think about what this is.

00:25:21.500 Ukraine is undergoing a massive war and tribulation from Russia.

00:25:26.300 And the bishops of Ukraine have appealed to the Holy Father to consecrate Russia.

00:25:32.400 Yes, and Ukraine as well.

00:25:33.680 But they have themselves asked for the consecration of Russia as Our Lady requested.

00:25:39.740 This is huge.

00:25:41.960 This is the opportunity like none other for the Pope to not only now heed the request of heaven, made in 1917,

00:25:54.640 but also now in the midst of calamity to answer the bishops who are speaking for the very people undergoing or suffering under this war.

00:26:04.380 So, John Henry, what is the promise Our Lady made when she said the consecration's done?

00:26:12.060 It's very simple and beautiful.

00:26:17.360 Consecrate Russia to her immaculate heart. 1.00

00:26:21.800 There's been something said in one of the books I read, the consecration will happen, but it will happen late.

00:26:29.000 And, look, I think any consecration is a good thing.

00:26:35.600 When I was in Russia, I got an invitation from the Patriarch Kirill to dine at his dining room in the seminary outside of Moscow.

00:26:47.500 It's about 40 miles out of Moscow.

00:26:49.580 And so we went there, and anyhow, and we're in that room, and I was with Bob and his invitees, and it just occurred to me,

00:27:01.520 we're in, and there was this just incredibly beautiful picture of Our Lady holding the infant Jesus.

00:27:09.140 And I think she's holding the infant Jesus.

00:27:12.280 But anyhow, I said, what about we do a consecration here?

00:27:18.820 And Bob is very eloquent with words.

00:27:21.480 And I thought, beauty, Bob will be able to lead this.

00:27:23.660 And he looks to me and says, well, Charles, you lead the consecration.

00:27:26.740 And, of course, it's not what Our Lady asked.

00:27:28.700 But we consecrated Russia in the dining room of Patriarch Kirill to Our Lady's Immaculate Heart, you know,

00:27:38.840 as best we could as individuals who fervently want peace.

00:27:44.420 And anyhow, I don't know that it would have any effect, but the Pope's got to do it.

00:27:50.620 My goodness, in this day and age, he could send an invitation to every bishop in the world.

00:27:57.840 And that was one of the reasons why the 81 consecration didn't work, is it wasn't done in unison with all the bishops of the world.

00:28:06.960 Every one of your listeners, if that invitation went out, they would petition their own bishop to say this.

00:28:14.600 So we would have it before all the bishops.

00:28:17.100 We would, we could have the wording done in a millisecond, you know, that he would send out.

00:28:24.460 He could do this next week, right?

00:28:27.440 And it's so urgent.

00:28:28.920 He could do it tomorrow.

00:28:30.060 The thing is, it's a great opportunity for people right now.

00:28:34.100 The bishops of the world are all asking, what can we do?

00:28:36.880 What can we do?

00:28:37.480 Part of the synodal process is to hear from the faithful.

00:28:40.200 Let's ask them.

00:28:41.200 As we're asking for fidelity, as we're asking for the Latin Mass, 0.99

00:28:44.720 as we're asking for, you know, many, many things that the church is in need of.

00:28:49.060 One of the main things she needs is still the consecration of Russia by the Pope with all the world's bishops.

00:28:54.980 And we can ask for that right now.

00:28:56.960 There's never been a better time.

00:28:58.720 The bishops of Ukraine, who are suffering the most, they're asking for it.

00:29:02.560 Why not let's, in unison with them, ask our bishops, plead with the Pope to do this together with the bishops.

00:29:07.460 Pope Francis dedicated, as I understand, dedicated his papalcy to Our Lady of Fatima.

00:29:15.620 He has a strong devotion to that. 1.00

00:29:18.220 This is simple, stupid stuff. 1.00

00:29:21.680 We consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary in unison with the bishops of the world. 1.00

00:29:29.020 Let's not indulge in has it been done, hasn't it been done.

00:29:32.480 But we know the full graces flow.

00:29:36.100 That's the meaning of the August appearance, I believe.

00:29:40.840 Why they were in jail.

00:29:42.180 Why they were kept away.

00:29:43.460 Because Our Lady said that. 0.97

00:29:45.180 And it's the hardest of all evidence to find in the Fatima story.

00:29:49.760 Just do it like Our Lady asked.

00:29:53.200 Yeah, and what an interesting parallel.

00:29:56.140 And I truly believe you were given that by the Holy Spirit.

00:29:58.560 Not to say that you're not smart and put that all together yourself.

00:30:00.780 But the amazing thing is, Father Condor tells you the story about how Our Lady's wishes aren't fulfilled.

00:30:15.100 Through no fault of the children of their own.

00:30:17.380 They were taken away.

00:30:18.720 Couldn't go because they were held in jail.

00:30:21.900 They can't go nonetheless.

00:30:23.860 So Our Lady's request isn't fulfilled exactly.

00:30:26.560 That they're there for the six months on the 13th.

00:30:28.980 But then we get the message from Our Lady.

00:30:33.600 Had it happened as she requested exactly, the graces would have been bigger.

00:30:38.760 But in that huge way of a shortening of the time of the First World War.

00:30:43.820 And now we fast forward to the consecration of Russia not happening exactly as she requested.

00:30:54.300 And then what have we seen?

00:30:56.040 Because we were promised by Our Lady it will be done.

00:30:58.900 She, in fact, said it would be late.

00:31:00.940 So did Our Lord when He appeared to Sister Lucy in 1933.

00:31:05.600 But the thing was, here we have Our Lady saying it will be done.

00:31:12.940 That'll be done late.

00:31:13.980 But also, when it's done, Russia will be converted and a period of peace will be given to the world. 0.93

00:31:20.500 And that's so fascinating because I think everyone can agree we've not seen peace since 1984 or any time because of the scourge of abortion. 0.88

00:31:33.220 There's wars all over the world.

00:31:34.980 But the scourge of abortion is just untold numbers of innocent children dying brutally.

00:31:42.060 So there's been no peace.

00:31:43.440 Our Lady would never say there's peace in the world, even a small period of peace in the world, while that's all going on.

00:31:49.200 And so, in a way, there's an obvious answer to the question as well in terms of consequence.

00:31:55.440 But what will this do when this truly simple, as you said, act is fulfilled according to her exact wish, which we know will actually happen,

00:32:06.020 there'll be some incredible miracle of peace like we've never seen before.

00:32:10.880 John Henry also, the analogy of John Paul wanting to say that being prohibited from saying,

00:32:19.200 it's like the kids in jail, wanting to be there, Our Lady, but being prohibited from being there.

00:32:26.320 Amazing.

00:32:27.200 It makes sense, doesn't it?

00:32:29.560 You know, and then if the grace is all flow, like obviously there was grace from that consecration because Russia, you know,

00:32:39.260 I grew up as a kid saying the prayer to St. Michael for the conversion of Russia at the end of Max.

00:32:45.220 And I remember as a young man, oh gosh, I don't think that'll ever happen.

00:32:51.740 And then suddenly, you know, Gorbachev gets in there and Perestroika and all the rest of it, 0.86

00:32:57.760 and it breaks down and it breaks down some years after that, after the consecration.

00:33:03.780 It has to be as a result of that.

00:33:05.440 There are various people that say Reagan and President Reagan and Pope John Paul

00:33:11.020 were the two greatest influences in bringing down Russia, bringing down communism.

00:33:17.080 But yes, look, it's amazing stuff.

00:33:21.800 It is.

00:33:22.260 And it's so fascinating that also this connects back to the Second Vatican Council,

00:33:28.420 to Pope John XXIII, to the sort of deal, some call it Ostpolitik, to not to criticize Russia, communism at the time.

00:33:40.120 It provides an answer also to why some of the schema, the documents that they wrote before councils,

00:33:46.600 they were done also for the Second Vatican Council, they were all tossed out the door,

00:33:50.700 especially the condemnation of communism, which was a robust condemnation that was going to be used,

00:33:56.380 totally gone, never used.

00:33:58.420 And so that provides an answer to so much, and here it is playing into the future now.

00:34:04.840 It's incredible.

00:34:06.900 Archbishop Vigno wrote a beautiful article, and he said,

00:34:12.460 to understand Vatican II, and I'm paraphrasing here, and I apologize to you,

00:34:18.180 but I don't get it exactly right.

00:34:20.040 But he said, to understand Vatican II, you have to understand the innovators, right?

00:34:25.120 Who were the people bringing about the new mass after the council had started?

00:34:31.200 And then you get in and you start understanding who Monsignor Bugnini was.

00:34:37.360 And there's an incredible book that just really helped me.

00:34:42.780 It was the Ottaviani intervention, Cardinal Ottaviani.

00:34:47.280 And they came back to Paul VI and said the first iteration of the Novus Ordo was invalid.

00:34:54.060 I read that in some book somewhere.

00:34:56.020 And you sit back and go, well, who are these innovators that are changing their mass so that the first draft is invalid?

00:35:05.840 There's something absolutely diabolical there.

00:35:09.640 And people, we just sweep it under the carpet.

00:35:13.240 And we're being asked, the people who attend to a traditional Latin mass, we're being asked,

00:35:18.960 you've got to accept the Novus Ordo as part of the concession that we'll make to you.

00:35:24.820 You've got to accept Vatican II. 0.89

00:35:26.700 Well, I'm happy to accept Vatican II once we have a proper analysis of it.

00:35:30.820 Like, I think the documents themselves aren't what a lot of people say they are.

00:35:38.180 I think it's the interpretation of Vatican II and how it's been implemented.

00:35:43.700 And it's decimated our church.

00:35:45.980 And people will sit back and wonder, you know, I go to a traditional Latin mass,

00:35:51.280 but I got caught one place and I thought, oh, well, I'll stand down the back of another sort.

00:35:56.280 But there was a sea of gray hair and our place, you know, it's just chock-a-block full of young kids. 0.95

00:36:03.500 There's something wrong throughout the world, John Henry.

00:36:06.780 There is.

00:36:07.920 There's one thing we have to address because this is very confusing.

00:36:12.160 You talked about Pope Francis having consecrated his papacy to Fatima, to Our Lady Fatima.

00:36:19.800 True enough.

00:36:21.200 But you have this situation with Pope Francis.

00:36:23.700 It's the most concerning situation with any Pope in the whole history of the world.

00:36:30.540 You don't have another situation.

00:36:32.160 In fact, many people have said, and I agree totally, it would have been much more easier for the church

00:36:38.000 to have a Pope who had a few women on the side and some kids and things like that, 0.99

00:36:43.260 rather than the scandal of what looks exactly like heresy, the shutting down of masses during COVID,

00:36:49.840 the massive restrictions to the Latin Mass, and then the name-calling and so much that we've seen.

00:36:57.600 So how is it that you hold hope for Pope Francis still?

00:37:02.280 Look, he said at the start of his pontificate, I'm going to mess things up.

00:37:10.340 You know, I'm going to confuse things.

00:37:12.160 Now, he also said that if you want to understand my pontificate, read Robert Hugh Benson's Lord of the World.

00:37:19.500 And I've only just started that.

00:37:25.880 So he's an anomaly in a lot of ways.

00:37:30.260 But we have to get to this situation where we consecrate Russia. 0.70

00:37:36.620 You know, a lot of my friends hold that he's a heretic and he's not a Pope.

00:37:40.200 And I believe that he's done some terrible things for our church.

00:37:48.080 But in the end, you know, we're not the master strategist here.

00:37:52.260 That's the Holy Ghost.

00:37:53.840 He's steering us through.

00:37:55.900 I recently had a chat to my bishop and he'd never heard of St. Dom Bosco,

00:38:01.160 his dream where the ship is steering between Mary and the Eucharist.

00:38:07.800 And that's where we've got to be.

00:38:09.320 That's where it's all at.

00:38:11.040 And the Russian Orthodox have valid sacraments, you know.

00:38:14.700 And I had a friend who he's been very instrumental in assisting me in Russia.

00:38:23.460 And he came to Rome and I waited and waited and I couldn't stay with him.

00:38:27.600 But anyhow, he went straight in to see Pope Benedict.

00:38:31.300 And I had some questions for him on Fatima.

00:38:34.460 And Pope Benedict reaffirmed, and this is two years ago,

00:38:39.320 so the last time I'd travelled, just before COVID.

00:38:42.700 So my friend from Russia flew in and he had a meeting with Pope Benedict.

00:38:50.120 And I'd waited six days and they wouldn't let me in to see him.

00:38:54.940 But anyhow, he went in and I had these questions for him.

00:38:58.240 And what he was able to elicit from Pope Benedict was,

00:39:03.100 Russia will be the reason for the re-Christianisation of the world. 1.00

00:39:09.780 And he also said, Fatima is still very relevant.

00:39:15.520 And I'm taking that to mean it hasn't played out yet.

00:39:18.420 He said, I think, in Rendsburg in 2010, this is Pope Benedict,

00:39:27.120 to understand Fatima is to, all you have to do is to look at Our Lady of Akita.

00:39:34.560 And Our Lady of Akita says, priest against priest, bishop against bishop,

00:39:39.840 cardinal against cardinal.

00:39:41.020 There's turmoil and the corruption goes right up, right up into the Vatican.

00:39:47.680 And look, we still have, I did a wonderful interview with Christopher Ferreira.

00:39:54.380 He is a gifted man.

00:39:56.900 And he is so knowledgeable about the explanatory note,

00:40:02.080 my term, the explanatory note,

00:40:04.360 that there was a letter written by Sister Lucia.

00:40:08.600 Now, the Vatican were in denial that that even existed.

00:40:13.800 You know, we know the start of it.

00:40:16.340 The dog were in Portugal.

00:40:18.600 And anyway, it's just incredible that we haven't been able to get to that.

00:40:27.900 And I suspect, I've got no idea, knowing,

00:40:30.960 because Sister Lucia didn't speak about it,

00:40:35.160 because I wasn't able to speak about it.

00:40:36.960 But I suspect it confirms exactly what Akita is saying,

00:40:42.640 which there's corruption in the church.

00:40:44.580 Now, if you're the Vatican, why would you release that?

00:40:48.780 If you're Cardinal Baton and Cardinal Sedono,

00:40:53.880 why would you release that?

00:40:56.760 You keep that hidden and you try to suppress it.

00:41:00.020 But we all know when you suppress the truth,

00:41:02.860 it bubbles out, it pushes out to the side,

00:41:05.060 and eventually it comes out.

00:41:06.820 We've got to get to find that.

00:41:09.600 And really, we've just got to do the consecration,

00:41:13.480 because it will all happen, you know,

00:41:15.180 once the consecration has been done.

00:41:17.020 Francis is an enigma, John Henry.

00:41:24.380 He's certainly, he's stirring things up.

00:41:28.920 He's messing things up.

00:41:30.460 People are despondent about what he's doing to the mass,

00:41:35.340 and that's part of where we're at.

00:41:36.800 I think we've got to peel back the layers of sect

00:41:40.500 in Vatican Council and find out if there was an illness in there,

00:41:46.660 if there was a design to destroy what's the source

00:41:50.060 and summit of our faith.

00:41:52.400 So we live in fascinating times,

00:41:54.840 and I say to people who get despondent,

00:41:57.260 no, no, no, we are living in the most incredible times.

00:42:00.900 Like, it's tough if you're in your Ukraine at the moment.

00:42:05.200 And I pray for the people there.

00:42:07.960 But we're living in incredible times,

00:42:11.420 and we've got to have a skip in our step,

00:42:13.800 a joy in our heart, a love for our fellow man,

00:42:18.440 the glory in us, you know, in the mass,

00:42:20.860 glory to God that high, and peace to men of goodwill.

00:42:25.440 Like, if we've got goodwill towards our fellow man,

00:42:28.340 we have peace.

00:42:30.180 And so I'm striving away, chipping away in my little world.

00:42:35.540 I will get this documentary done.

00:42:39.700 A question you ask me off camera,

00:42:42.420 which is very relevant to the real hardliners,

00:42:45.960 is the sister Lucia that I met the real sister Lucia?

00:42:51.420 And I have this view.

00:42:52.820 I think when people are set on this is what definitely happened,

00:42:59.980 they have a narrative.

00:43:01.840 And the only way to explain that narrative is sister Lucia was replaced.

00:43:07.960 And I know there's pictures of sister Lucia's eyes

00:43:13.380 and all this sort of stuff,

00:43:14.500 but it can easily be explained of the frailties of an ageing woman. 0.86

00:43:22.060 And I went to see her.

00:43:24.800 I had a projectionist who was of the Jewish faith.

00:43:32.600 Anyhow, he was an incredible guy,

00:43:34.400 but he went inside behind the cage to set up the film,

00:43:38.800 The Passion of the Christ.

00:43:39.800 And when sister Lucia walked past him,

00:43:43.360 like I had a cage in front,

00:43:44.760 but he was in there setting up the projector,

00:43:48.560 she walked past him.

00:43:50.540 And he said,

00:43:51.800 he received a charge of electricity that started

00:43:55.940 and went all throughout his body.

00:43:58.660 I've got a little interview with him where he speaks about sister Lucia.

00:44:03.560 Mel got to meet her.

00:44:05.020 And Mel said to me,

00:44:06.680 she's the real deal.

00:44:07.940 And one thing about her is he's intellectually honest.

00:44:15.200 He's fantastic.

00:44:16.100 You're like a gifted filmmaker.

00:44:18.220 But he wouldn't say that if it wasn't true.

00:44:22.680 And I believe her to be true.

00:44:25.200 And really,

00:44:26.440 she's opening the gateway by her answer,

00:44:29.080 which is heaven has accepted it.

00:44:31.820 But you haven't done it exactly like our lady requested.

00:44:35.580 That was her next sentence that she should have said but didn't.

00:44:39.540 But it's there for us.

00:44:41.480 And that's part of us gaining our faith.

00:44:43.820 We've got to search for it.

00:44:44.740 We've got to strive for it.

00:44:45.780 We've got to understand it.

00:44:47.340 This journey has been amazing for me.

00:44:50.120 It started back in 1999.

00:44:53.260 And hopefully I'll have a documentary.

00:44:55.640 I've got some incredible interviews from throughout the world.

00:45:00.500 Scott Hahn did an interview on Our Lady on this particular subject that I'm focusing on.

00:45:07.080 Not the consecration, but on Our Lady.

00:45:09.520 And it is blow.

00:45:11.300 You know, I really, I've got to stop everything else I'm doing and finish this documentary and get it out.

00:45:17.780 That you do indeed, Charles.

00:45:19.980 We are right at the time now where we're needing it like never before.

00:45:24.460 Charles, where can people get hold of you so that they know when your video is being released?

00:45:30.540 We will, of course, promote it when it is.

00:45:32.520 But where do people get hold of you or see what you're doing?

00:45:38.480 You're the first person I've spoken to.

00:45:40.380 I've kept this completely.

00:45:41.780 It's quite a little bit.

00:45:42.620 Wow, well, we will wait for the release then and we will publicize it everywhere.

00:45:49.760 But this really needs to get done.

00:45:52.100 They could write to you and you forward them on to me.

00:45:56.340 You know, there's people who have met Sister Lucia who have their own individual stories.

00:46:03.340 There's not many who've got their own individual stories that I'd love to hear from.

00:46:08.000 And that, you know, I'm happy for you to receive that.

00:46:11.460 Absolutely.

00:46:13.560 What we're going to do as well is we're going to set up a LifeFunder, which is a fundraising platform

00:46:18.600 that LifeSite runs and to help you finish this documentary.

00:46:23.440 So because honestly, the world needs it now.

00:46:28.360 Thank you.

00:46:29.680 One of my troubles is, you know, it's cost a fortune to do what I've done.

00:46:36.600 And previously, I've been able to afford it.

00:46:39.020 But look, our lady is amazing. 1.00

00:46:41.100 And she just looks after him.

00:46:43.440 She's the strategist in this.

00:46:45.660 You know, I love the Our Lady of Guadalupe.

00:46:48.060 And that's actually how it all started.

00:46:49.520 I had a family accident on the feast day of Our Lady of Guadalupe.

00:46:53.880 And I knew nothing about her back in 1990.

00:46:55.960 And then you see, here's the Virgin Mary who is bathed in the sun, surrounded by the stars,

00:47:05.020 standing on the moon, comes straight out of the book of Apocalypse.

00:47:09.000 And she's got it all under control.

00:47:15.380 She is the master strategist. 0.99

00:47:17.800 So she'll make it happen.

00:47:19.020 And I say to everyone, I say to all of your listeners who have doubts about the Virgin Mary and her role in salvific history,

00:47:30.300 I say to them, just say a little prayer.

00:47:33.740 Our Lady, if you're out there, show me. 0.97

00:47:36.980 And she will come somehow, someway flooding into your heart.

00:47:45.900 So it's brilliant.

00:47:47.980 I think also Mel's film, if it comes with the resurrection, will be a catalyst.

00:47:56.760 Because really, John Henry, the reason we're facing all the turmoil that we're facing is people don't believe in God anymore.

00:48:05.640 They don't believe that Christ was the son of God and rose from the dead.

00:48:10.660 And, look, knowing Mel like I do, he will make an extraordinary film if he's permitted.

00:48:16.760 And it will be the catalyst.

00:48:21.620 It will change the hearts and minds of men.

00:48:24.000 Because once you believe in Christ, there is no abortion.

00:48:28.900 Once you make that understanding, you know, there is no euthanasia.

00:48:34.840 There is all of these things.

00:48:37.140 And back to Fatima, where Our Lady said, unless the consecration is done, Russia will continue to spread her errors. 0.96

00:48:46.760 You put me in touch with a lady from Romania.

00:48:51.720 And she speaks about what is cultural Marxism.

00:48:55.880 And cultural Marxism has spread from Russia all throughout the world, throughout the Western world.

00:49:04.740 We've picked it up.

00:49:06.420 And she does the most incredible interview.

00:49:08.640 I have to thank you for that because it explains what's happening in the world.

00:49:13.300 You know, where did all the breaches of the Catholic Church, our fundamental doctrines, where did they all begin?

00:49:23.840 They all began in the 1920s in Moscow after the Bolshevik Revolution.

00:49:28.400 And anyhow, Russia, to their credit.

00:49:31.860 And I have sent you some photographs of the churches that they're building over there.

00:49:38.760 And, you know, Putin, I don't think, is the man that the West would have you believe.

00:49:45.520 And I think, you know, war is a terrible thing and nothing can condone it.

00:49:51.760 But he is, he's trying to protect his own country.

00:49:57.120 And, you know, would we do the same?

00:50:00.940 Would Australia do the same if someone set up camp down in Tasmania?

00:50:05.960 Our mainland do the same against the state or even in New Zealand?

00:50:09.580 And, you know, if something happened, America did it with Cuba, didn't they? 0.73

00:50:15.540 You know, they stood up to them.

00:50:17.080 They can't do this.

00:50:19.360 But it's tense times.

00:50:20.960 Sorry I'm rambling.

00:50:23.340 You know, that's amazing.

00:50:25.560 Just what's going on is so momentous.

00:50:28.000 People are all trying to figure it out.

00:50:30.260 But we have, I think, the moment of Fatima in a way that we never have before.

00:50:35.300 However, this is a thing that no bishop was willing to say until Cardinal Burke did in 2017.

00:50:44.920 And since then, even, apart from a few bishops who signed on with him, there's been virtual silence.

00:50:52.540 And virtual silence since, like, 1984.

00:50:57.700 That's a long time.

00:50:59.240 And all of a sudden now, we have the bishops of Ukraine, as they're suffering from Russia, begging the Holy Father for the consecration of Russia.

00:51:09.620 Amazing time.

00:51:10.800 Thank you so much for being with us on this episode of the John Henry Weston Show.

00:51:15.280 My pleasure, John Henry.

00:51:17.240 As always, it's great to talk to you.

00:51:20.180 And I've done an interview with you that will feature in the documentary, by the way.

00:51:25.280 Excellent.

00:51:27.020 God bless all of you.

00:51:29.240 We'll see you next time.

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The John-Henry Westen Show - March 14, 2022

The untold secrets of the Fatima consecration of Russia by Pope John Paul II

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