They want us to HATE Iran - Jason Jones EXPOSES their lies
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Summary
Jason Jones is a hero in the fight against anti-Semitism in Iran. He's been there, done that, and runs the Vulnerable People Project, a group that rescues the poor and the vulnerable in times of war.
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I used to say anti-Semitism used to mean you hate Jews,
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I've been waiting to do this interview for a long time,
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but this fellow is really hard to get a hold of.
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He keeps running back and forth to the Holy Land
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he's rescued people out of there. We've helped him do that thanks to your generous donations.
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Now look, the war in Iran has obviously a lot going on with it. And there's no better person
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to speak to about it than Jason Jones, because not only has he been there, done that, but people
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right now are talking about, oh, you know, Iran's the worst place on earth. There's nothing worse,
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the persecution against women, against Jews, against Catholics and Christians. It's the most
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devastating thing. That's the number one country on earth we have to go after. And Jason's the one
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who did the movie. Do you remember the stoning of Soraya M? It was a movie about persecution of
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women in Iran. So you're going to want to stay tuned for this conversation. Jason, God bless
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you, my friend. Good to see you, brother. For now on, I'm going to demand whoever interviews me is
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in a black tie or I am not going but I get to come like this but but the host has to be in a black
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tie let's begin as we always do son of the cross name of the father and of the son and of the holy
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ghost amen Jason uh the U.S. is in a strange place right now because there are fights among
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the best people uh we just saw Kerry Prejean Bowler great catholic a new catholic even
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kicked off Trump's Religious Freedom Commission and so Catholic against Catholic over what's
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going on in Iran. Unpack a little bit of this for us. Where are you coming from?
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First of all, I want to thank you and I want to thank LifeSite News because
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you have been like the Calvary for me time and time and time again. And you are a non-profit
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organization so that you would share your donors with our organization. And you were responsible
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for helping us evacuate thousands of young girls from Ukraine when that war started.
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You were foundational to our Coal for Christmas campaign to provide coal for heat and food
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in Afghanistan in the wake of the U.S. withdrawal to the widows and orphans of our allies who
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were killed in action in the small Christian community there.
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Everywhere we work in the world, you show, you actually, your team reaches out to us
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You know, when you look at Carrie Prejean-Bowler, when I started, you know, on October 7th, the very first thing I did, I was furious.
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You know, when you see this horrible attack of these peace activists, it was just, I was enraged.
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And the first thing I did is I knew of a small Jewish community in Africa that was really vulnerable.
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We'd been trying to get other Jewish organizations that actually had more funding than us to provide security for them
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because we're already providing security for Catholic churches in this area.
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and then we even drilled wells so the women didn't have to walk
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to the river for water, which was exposing them to danger.
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And I was really hopeful that the IDF would go in there and root out Hamas.
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It was already obvious that that's not what was going to happen.
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It was within two weeks of October 7th that the oldest continuous use church in the world,
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And then within weeks after that, two Catholic women were shot by snipers, IDF snipers.
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Water towers at the churches were shot by snipers so that the water was empty.
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So we saw really a relentless campaign event, the cleansing.
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You know, it's not, I've been in the pro-life movement since the late 80s.
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I'm used to being hated for defending the vulnerable, and I'm not uncomfortable with that.
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But I was, for many years, celebrated for what we were doing in Afghanistan and Sudan and Ukraine.
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So I was really naive to how quickly and violently that my organization was attacked.
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For feeding Christians, for evacuating wounded pregnant women, I was being criticized.
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It was a very lonely place. And for a while, I felt like my only ally was you, was LifeSite.
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When you see someone like Carrie Prejean Bowler in such a prestigious position,
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basically throw away her career and leverage her position of influence for the vulnerable,
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I couldn't be more grateful. Because at the Vulnerable People Project, when I founded it
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23 years ago, it was really not to do relief efforts, but to run influence campaigns to
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defend the vulnerable from violence by promoting human dignity and inspiring solidarity.
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And Carrie Prejean Bowler has been key to waking up so many people.
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and really the hard part for me is to see our bishops silent to seeing this young Catholic
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woman being attacked and her husband, who is an NFL football player, is actually in our CIA right
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now. I can't imagine if my wife was being attacked like this and I saw bishops stabbing her in the
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back, let alone not defending her, but stabbing her in the back, I'd become Greek Orthodox. I
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And I think there is gonna come a day in this country
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and in the church where those bishops and those cardinals
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that were silent as the genocide was taking place,
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as the descendants of the apostles' families were being,
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it's called ecclesiacide, as our church is being cleansed.
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This is a total ecclesiocide, silence from our bishops.
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in defense of the Christians and gods in the West Bank.
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but they have never found the time to open their mouth.
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but has been a courageous witness for these communities.
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You know, we're gonna be a Catholics for Catholics event.
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but I used to get ratioed and attacked by everyone.
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I watch as everyone attacks them, like it's flipped.
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So, and it's flipped because it doesn't take courage for me.
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So Carrie told me the other day, she feels like she is a sheep being attacked by wolves and the shepherds are running away.
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She was so grateful to see Bishop Strickland as one of the only voices in the bishopric throughout the world stick up for her.
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she was stunned at the silence of the bishops more so i would say even than she was stunned
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that vance uh would and rubio wouldn't say anything in her defense the other way perhaps
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but you know that was so stunning to her and your point about her husband i think she sees
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and he sees they're not converting to a kind of a church that is about that they're converting to
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a church with a traditional belief and that follows. The bishops of the Holy Land have been
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singing this song for decades, begging their brother bishops in the West to please speak out
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against the persecution coming from Israel. And it's, why is this so unbluyel? That tweet that
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you're, excuse me, the document you were referring to from Cardinal Pitzabala, I'll pull it up because
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the wording is so strong that it's worth talking about his words. And this is the cardinal
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archbishop of Jerusalem. And our bishops refuse to speak when their brother bishop,
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the cardinal over there says this. This is unreal. There are still 2 million displaced people
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deprived of everything 80 of the strip that's the gaza strip is still destroyed and no construction
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has begun people are literally living in the sewers and the images cannot convey the smells
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someone who's been in a lot of war zones the smells are what people can't comprehend the smell
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of burning human flesh the smell of death and decay it's horrible and you have to imagine
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And when I was in Lahaina after the fire, I was sick for months.
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And I made the mistake of camping in Lahaina so I didn't take a hotel from a local.
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When I was in Iraq with the Peshmerga, as they were liberating villages,
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they couldn't remove the burning bodies from the rubble because ISIS booby-trapped the rubble.
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And so everywhere you would go was the smell of burning human flesh.
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why do we know the name Maximilian Kolbe we know his name because what he did was exceptional
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with dying in a starvation bunker in Auschwitz so when you look at someone like Carrie Prejean
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Bowler what it was a Mark Twain said history doesn't repeat itself but it rhymes she rhymes
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with father Jerzy Popiescu she rhymes with Maximilian Kolbe she rhymes with um Franz
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Jager's daughter. So this is just how it usually is. Look at our Lord being crucified. Everyone was
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gone, and there was St. John. I have a theory on why John was the only apostle that didn't die
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a violent death, because he was already crucified with our Lord. He was there. They left. What's
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worse, being nailed to a cross or seeing your Lord nailed to a cross? And so Carrie's being
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nailed to the cross i think we should all be you know the philosopher the anthropologist renee
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gerard said when you stand with the vulnerable you become as vulnerable as they are so the
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palestinians are the most calumniated community on earth you know you can have a u.s congressman
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congressman fine he's shown a picture it's on film of a dead palestinian child he goes i love
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that picture can you bring me more of those and there's no censor for him but but all and i used
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to say anti-Semitism used to mean you hate Jews, but now it means you refuse to hate Arabs.
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You know, it meant you dehumanize Jews. Now it's, you're not going to dehumanize Arabs. What are
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you, anti-Semite? You know, it used to mean you might even want to, Jew hatred could lead to you
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want to kill Jews. Now it's like, what, you're upset by the indiscriminate slaughter of Iranian
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children? What are you, an anti-Semite? This is what they mean. And so Kerry's being crucified.
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Those of us who haven't fled the Palestinians, like John, it's just God's grace.
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It's sorrowful to me, and it's a mystery to me, to see why someone like Father Mike Schmitz,
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who's actually apologized for Israel's crimes early on and has been silent ever since, Bishop Aaron, is very clever.
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He speaks up on the Somalian crisis in Minnesota, just on cue.
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Starts talking about Nigeria when the whole world is paying attention to Gaza.
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But is he still talking about Nigeria or was that just a distraction?
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Cardinal Dolan has also never said a word about Jimmy Lai.
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He's never said a word about our bishops that have been disappeared from China.
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some of them amongst first century Christian communities
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But boy, boy, boy, would I rather Cardinal Dolan do it.
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Would I rather Mike Schmidt's father, Mike, Mike do it?
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The Palestinians are the descendants of the people
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Wouldn't it be interesting for you to tell their story,
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of the oldest Christian community in the world?
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But you're not gonna do it because you lack the courage,
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and this is what's quite frustrating let's talk about iran because about iran okay there are a
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lot of people who are going to say right after that okay whoa whoa whoa iran is the number one
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place to attack don't don't don't tell me what are we doing when we're attacking iran we're finally
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freeing the women the jews the christians the catholics over there they're getting persecuted
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over there isn't this the best thing we can do and why are you fighting it well now that i know
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that's what we're doing i'm excited like i just didn't know that's what we were doing you know
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we just did a little micro i have camera crews right now running around tel aviv running around
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the west bank and um in tehran and if you go to my sub stack or if you go to vulnerable people
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project.com you can see a little documentary we did just last week we shot it just last week
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and I've been involved in the Middle East in 25 years.
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I had the privilege of being an associate producer
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I mean, the regime is so different from the people.
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tehran 1967 and and look at what how the women dressed so the idea that this is something that
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is fundamentally inescapably a part of islamic society or muslim society is just silly um but
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you have this radical regime that's in power and i just think this war has if anything entrenched
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them if and uh and if if the regime is if there if the regime is destroyed what we are going to
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see is sectarianism. We are going to see Iran become a failed state. You're not going to see
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a free and prosperous Iran. And I'm going to tell you why that's not the goal. That is not
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the goal. That wasn't the goal in Iraq. That wasn't the goal in Afghanistan. That wasn't the
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goal in Syria. That wasn't the goal in Yemen. Because if it was the goal, we would still be
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talking about it and maybe pursuing that goal. We removed Gaddafi to save the women. And what
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happened? Open air slave markets. We liberated Iraq. We were so proud of ourselves. What happened?
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Yazidis, I don't want to say, you know, we all know what happened to these Yazidi girls. By the
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way, I still work with them. I still work with the Yazidi community. There are 100,000 internally
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displaced Iraqis in Iraqi Kurdistan now, Yazidis and others that have been displaced and in camps
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for a decade because we were there to liberate them i was involved in the evacuating and caring
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of american siv holders special immigrant visa holders that served our country that were promised
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a visa but also democracy activists women rights activists i'll tell you a funny story we evacuated
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them from afghanistan i still have safe houses in central asia where we have these people where
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where are these people that care about women so much i mean what about afghanistan why don't you
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help us. We need some help. They don't care about the women of Iran. And then when we destroy Iran,
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they're going to go, well, we bombed them. They had every chance in the world to, oh, you think
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if someone flattened LA, flattened Chicago, flattened Houston, destroyed our farms, destroyed
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our energy infrastructure, that that would just blossom a utopian society here? No, this is not
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how it works. Killing and destroying is not creative. We could have thoughtfully worked
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with the Iranian people over the past 47 years to get a good regime. The goal isn't to bless the
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people of Iran with a good government because a good government, a democratic government that's
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allied with the West or can relate to the West, work with the West, is the greatest threat to
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Israel. They don't want an Iran with rockets, planes. Why? Because no one wants to hear this
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or say it. We all know it now. The greater Israel project. Mike Huckabee himself basically said,
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Israel has the right to the entire Middle East. Well, Iran wouldn't let that happen.
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Not a democratic Iran, not a capitalist Iran, not an authoritarian Iran allied with the West,
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not an authoritarian Iran allied with China or Russia no Iran would allow that to happen
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but what so what is Israel's goal a failed state and that's what will happen that's what will
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happen there will be a failed state and all the people that cared so much we know where to be
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found but guess where you're going to see Jason and VPP you're going to see me traipsing around
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Iran and they're not going to be anywhere to be found because they don't care about those women
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Cheering on a war on social media doesn't free people.
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The Iranians actually have a saying, which I don't like.
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But it's like better 100 years of tyranny than one year of war.
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But the point to that is the devastation and destruction to the human family from war
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if you put it on a scale with 100 years of tyranny the balance might be it might be more
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balanced than we as anglo-americans um sort of even though we're catholic we live in the society
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of the glorious revolution in the amer in the english bill of rights and the magna carta and
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our declaration of independence and this is who we are but i think it's an instructive point
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that war is absolutely devastating yeah one of the points uh when we spoke earlier you made
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do the comparison for us about saudi arabia everything you can say about iran you can say
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about saudi arabia actually no it's worse there's a thriving jewish indigenous community they've
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been there since thousands of years right in iran they think of themselves as iranian
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yeah they're jews they're iranian um for thousands yeah since some babylon since they were brought
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there actually so there's a million christians now is it an anglo-american constitutional republic
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with our customs our culture no but uh it's they're there imagine
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can i find a jewish community in saudi arabia can i uh where the you know filipino nuns are
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getting i mean filipino workers are getting executed for the rosary you know or for talking
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about their faith with somebody inappropriately in saudi arabia some filipino worker you know
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when i go to certain gulf states there's you know i there's there's gulf states that i like
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um when i go to cutter which we're told is villainous and i see how i pay attention i'm
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from hawaii so i look like this but i think i'm filipino you know so i got my kids are like
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jalapenos haole filipino and a little filipino and chinese my kids are chinese filipino chinese me
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so when i go to mass like when i'm in dubai and i see how or in saudi arabia or kuwait and you see
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how the um the filipino workers are treated or how they're rushed in a rush off of cattle cars
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and back onto the cattle cars after mass like it's infuriating you don't see that in iraq
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in fact when i've met filipino workers and as i travel around the middle east
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the countries that they prefer most being in are the countries that we were told are the most
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hostile to hostile to our faith those now the one exception is cutter you go to cutter
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and you just see the christian workers kind of living a much more free and happy and open life
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um but of course we're told one is our great ally and cutter sort of like our mistress like we love
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her you know and we don't and we hide her and we ask her to do really bad things then yell at her
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for doing those things this is the relationship we've had with cutter but um yeah it's it's most
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people and i would say myself because i'm always surprised you know i was i wrote an article called
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help i'm an anti-palestinian bigot and i wrote this article after going to egypt to evacuate
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palestinians from gaza wounded women and children christians but muslims elderly and then we went
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to cairo and i set up a clan and you can see the interviews they're very powerful at vulnerable
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people project.com we did clandestine we set up a clandestine studio i had to hide from the
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egyptian authorities because egypt is not the ally of the palestinian people they don't want
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upset Israel so here we are hiring from the you know Egyptian authorities we went to the worst
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neighborhood we created a studio like in a dilapidated old building it's the loudest it
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was just really hard to shoot there I got so angry I went out into the neighborhood was yelling at an
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entire neighborhood in Cairo to shush who are you what are you doing in our neighborhood but as I
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was interviewing the Palestinians and I realized how well educated they are Palestinian women are
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have a higher rate of graduate education than Israeli women.
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as the most well-educated community in the Middle East.
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We can see major influencers on the right saying they're dumb,
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I was interviewing a Muslim older couple, and the man was talking about how when
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the woman was saying, when my last kid went to college, went out of the house,
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men don't wanna have their wives to get educated.
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And but woman after woman after woman I interviewed from Gaza had graduate degrees.
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about Barack Obama, he was so clean and articulate
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They're so well-educated, you know, they're so beautiful.
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I was like, ah, and I went home, I went to my hotel
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and I sat there and I assessed and I said this,
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and I've said this in several interviews, this is true.
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We had a lot of Palestinians move into my neighborhood.
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My mother lived in the southwest suburbs of Chicago
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when I was like junior, senior, sophomore, junior year.
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and he's like, the Palestinians are our burrito shop.
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I don't know, I don't even know what a Palestinian was,
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but whatever they are, they should be in my burrito shop
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And now the bad guys from the Chuck Norris movies
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So I was just, they're the most calumniated people.
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Christian communities, whether they be in India, Ethiopia,
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Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, there's something different.
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These communities, God's grace has been working on them since the incarnation.
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On Tucker, this Christian Catholic blew him away by the forgiveness he had for the Israelis who were persecuting them.
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his mom was shot as they were playing as children and he still forgives him now his mom survived
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thanks be to god but he prays for the persecutors the ones who shot his mom tucker's blown away
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so let's just play that clip for a second in 1990 we watch settlers come and go there was an
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Israeli army vehicle that stopped. And we saw, I was 10 at that time. I saw an Israeli soldier
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stepping out of the vehicle, pointing a rifle at us, and he starts shooting at us.
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We were a bunch of kids. I mean, my siblings, my mother was there, and some of my cousins.
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He starts shooting live ammunition at us. And then my mother rushed us all into the door.
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Yes, my own mother, who loves the Lord and he loves Jesus.
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I heard to the back door, called my dad, my uncle, who was a physician, put pressure on the wound, took her to the hospital.
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my own mother. I'm sorry, I should say we've been talking off camera before we started this
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interview, and I didn't know the story. It's not in my interview notes, and I detected no
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bitterness whatsoever in anything that you said. I don't know how. Okay. Sorry, so you're just
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shocking me. I didn't expect to hear that. Palestinian Christians take the Sermon of the
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Mount very seriously. Apparently. When Jesus comes and he elevates our thinking, when he
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elevates our outlook on life, when he takes morality to a whole new standard, when he said,
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you have heard, do not kill. But I tell you, if you look at your brother and you call him
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Raka, Aramaic word for fool or stupid, you just have committed the murder. And when he said,
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and remember the context, Jesus was talking to a Jewish audience who were under ruthless
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Roman occupation. They were persecuted. They were discriminated against. It was very brutal to live
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under the Roman occupation. But Jesus is telling his followers, love your enemies. Pray for those
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who persecute you. This is something that we have grown up understanding the very essence
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and the meaning of this Sermon of the Mount. So now I have this for you. Because you're
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speaking out now because you dare to point out the atrocities of Israel at a time when, yes,
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there is antisemitism going on. We see it from all sorts of folks. Yes, that's true. But you're
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going to be called an antisemite because you're daring to stand with the vulnerable. You're
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daring to repeat the calls of Cardinal Pizzaballa and all of the Catholic leaders in the Holy Land
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for decades now how do you respond yourself to the charge of anti-semitism well you know
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first of all this all began for me when i was 17 years old and my high school girlfriend was
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forced by her father to have an abortion while i was in basic training that was my sort of inciting
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incident to the fragility of life and how children are exposed to violence and that's where our
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friendship began with our shared commitment in the 90s when we first met to protecting the
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child and the woman from violence. I was a soldier at the time. I was in basic training when this
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happened. And that's when my activism started. But then as a young infantryman on deployment,
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I began to see that they're just, I wanted to order my life to get between the vulnerable and
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the violent and stand with fathers right away. Because I became a father at 18 and I had two
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children by 19 here I'm an infantryman my mother had me when she was 17 16.
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So I knew it was like to be raised by a teenager and I just but then as a soldier
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I realized how privileged I was as an American and I wanted to leverage that
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privilege to make myself as influential as possible as useful as possible to stand
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with fathers that didn't have these opportunities that I'm gonna have is a
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man of my life strange when I look back to think I had this vision is a 17 year
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old infantryman but then when I got out of the army and I went to the University
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of Hawaii I had my little babies my kids are you know from Hawaii they're hapahaolis and but my
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professors didn't know this and I had blonde hair and blue eyes and they didn't know I was born to
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a teen mother raised in you know Chicago they just assumed here this is blonde kid at the
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University of Hawaii must be some trust fund baby and they would call me a racist for being pro-life
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and that was the biggest charge I'm like wait what I make brown babies I have two already and
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And when I really saw the vision for this organization,
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Vulnerable People Project and Movie to Movement,
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but the same mission to defend the vulnerable from violence
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by promoting human dignity and inspiring solidarity.
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it was to stand with those that no one will stand with,
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knowing that you'll be calumniated for doing it.
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So I've been through this, but guess what then?
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in world history, Mother Teresa, Ronald Reagan,
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Pope John Paul II, and bang, there's Jason Jones.
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Aren't I the horrible human that I was being called
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I always tell my kids, it's better to be thought to be hateful
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for the Palestinians, I thought, is this prudent?
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our Afghan ally SIVs or my work in Nigeria or Sudan
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I felt alone in the world as a young 17 year old boy
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without email, didn't know I had an ally in the world.
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we've really worked closely with the Jewish community.
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We evacuated the last young Jewish man from Afghanistan,
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Afghanistan. The world doesn't even really know he exists. He's in Canada now. A wonderful,
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beautiful young man. And I did that for someone I love from New York, who is the PR guy for a
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major Zionist organization. The hard part for me is that people I love will think that I don't love
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them. People that I love will think that I have somehow been swept away by some anti-Semitic
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enthusiasm and i'm just using the palestinians as as an excuse to to use this hatred i always have
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had that's the part that is hard for me but what the mob says on x or what some stranger says
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even if they really believe it i don't care the hard part is um the people that you really care
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about feel hurt and abandoned for example my one friend i mean this issue is very close to him he
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lost friends on on October 7th you know and I have another friend who I adore who's just ghosted me
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the other friend I commend him we're still friends on Facebook and we still send each other niceties
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another friend who I adore she's a human rights lawyer and a hero I just don't think she could
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take my posts anymore and she unfriended me there was she's one of the most people in the world I
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admire most she's been heroic for vulnerable communities so that is all that is always the
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hard part you know that's that's the hard part my gosh yeah well when we stand for the truth and
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with christ he did tell us it would uh end up with persecution thank you can i add one more thing oh
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by all means please you know and this is why bishop baron and cardinal dolan um i had a friend who was
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in a same-sex marriage and we were very we were very close when pope francis had made some
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statements that were really um that could have been taken many different ways she called me and
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said you can really support what i'm doing now and i said no no and that ruined our friendship
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if if our bishop spoke with clarity i wouldn't have to worry about my friends thinking i hate
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them but but when they sit on the sidelines with their powerful voice it allows these attacks to
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have resonance but you know you look at was it um archbishop rummel in new orleans who had
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excommunicated politicians that supported segregation and what did the catholic lady
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at the time do they went and renamed all their streets and their towns after the politicians
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that the bishop excommunicated for supporting segregation
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think how hurt he must have been but today we think of bishop rummel and we admire him
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we look at franz yeager's daughter we admire him but his priest and his bishop thought he was
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imprudent he could have gone about it better all the things they say about carrie prajean
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it's not what she said it's how she said it there was a better place or a better time to say what
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she was saying it's the same things they used to tell me about abortion in the late 80s it's the
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I'm sure they told, someone said to Maximilian Kolbe,
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