00:13:27.440And if we take those sufferings and say, look, I deserve this for my sins.
00:13:33.160Even if I don't deserve it for my sins,
00:13:35.000there are other people who can profit from these sufferings.
00:13:37.480Well, then, I offer this as a sacrifice in union with the sufferings of my Lord, our Lord and Redeemer, on the cross.
00:13:45.380And that's how we make temperate punishment for sin in this life.
00:13:50.100But if, and by the way, when we make temperate punishment in this life, it's much more effective than making temperate punishment in the next life, which is purgatory, because that will be a sentence and we'll have no choice.
00:14:02.020But here on earth, if we use our will to say, I offer this up for sin, that's much more efficacious and much more effective, and it really pays that temporal punishment quickly.
00:14:14.840However, if you come to the end of your life and you receive the extra munction followed by the apostolic blessing, all of that temporal punishment is removed at that moment.
00:17:56.620It's coming from a Freemasonic influence on the Catholic Church, which is to try to convince
00:18:01.440man that he's good enough by himself. Don't talk about the negative things. Only talk about the
00:18:06.280positive things until you get to the point where a man thinks he does not even need grace anymore
00:18:12.620to be pleasing to God. And then what do we have? We have the perfect brotherhood of man,
00:18:18.280but now inside the church, pretending to be men of the church, but it's all a fake,
00:18:24.880or it's at least a fake, or certainly people working against God. So when you mention there's
00:18:30.220no apostolic blessing anymore, it fits. Let's turn to your mom. It's an incredible story. Your story0.97
00:18:35.600is written up in a book called Chicago Mom. Why don't you hold up that book if you have it there?
00:18:40.580Sure. Hopefully there'll be enough light to pick that up there. This is the Chicago Mom
00:18:45.560and the Fight for the Catholic Faith. She appears there with all of you guys, all of you kids.
00:18:52.020She's alone. What happened that she's alone? What happened with your dad? How did that pan out?
00:18:57.000The answer is quite simple. This is back in the days when there always had to be one person holding the camera. It's just that simple. My father's not in the picture because he's taking the picture. There's another picture inside the book, which is black and white, where my father's in the picture with all the children, but my mother is not. So same answer for that one, too.
00:19:17.540Now, it's interesting because you described your mom as sort of the one who really fought for things.
00:19:26.280Now, traditionally, the church's teaching is the father should be the spiritual head of the household, and maybe he was.
00:19:32.960But I'm interested that you described your mom as sort of the fighter, if you will.
00:20:14.520And that was the man that my mother met after all those years of being in Catholic school and doing Catholic things.
00:20:21.320That's the man that was most interested in her.
00:20:24.340And she has a story to tell about that, too.
00:20:27.060She said that I made myself the absolute challenge for him, thinking that he's not going to do all these things.
00:20:35.460And she said, I won't date you unless you take catechism.
00:20:39.440I won't date you unless you get baptized.
00:20:41.620eyes no bars and no uh kind of evil living none of those things i'm not gonna have anything to do
00:20:48.860with it and and he just kept meeting all of her challenges as if to say well you know you're not
00:20:54.960going to be bigger than me in this and so i can prove to you i can do all these things too she
00:20:58.720really did appeal to his uh sense of challenge he became a practicing catholic at that time
00:21:03.300i think it was may of 1958 maybe march let me just whatever five or six months is and they were
00:21:10.500married by November of 1958. So he met all the challenges. He did the catechism. Sorry, he was
00:21:16.780already baptized, but he also did the First Holy Communion. And for some reason, the confirmation
00:21:21.400did not get taken care of. That would get taken care of sometime later, and that's in the book
00:21:25.580also. So when it came to or comes to religion, you see that my mother is kind of in the, not just
00:21:32.100kind of, but really in the leading position. When it came to just about everything else, and that
00:21:36.680would be the professional life and buying the home and making sure my mother had a good home,0.85
00:21:45.320et cetera. My father was very much a leader. We children, we didn't get the idea that religion is
00:21:51.060just for women or just for mother. As I was saying, she's such a leader and such a fighter.
00:21:56.980We got the idea it's for everyone, for mother and father. But we also understood that our mother was
00:22:02.800the one who really was knowledgeable about these things and really had a lot of the conviction.
00:22:07.360It might sound terrible to say that my father followed her in this way, but his following was
00:22:14.320very, very faithful. And eventually it became a leading position for him also because he loved
00:22:21.660building and architecture. And eventually he was the one who put the addition on the building where
00:22:26.760we had the traditional mass back in the 1970s. And then when the Society of St. Pius X came along
00:22:31.820in the 1980s. He became the coordinator for the chapel in the Chicago area, he and my mother
00:22:39.060doing everything together. And eventually that blossomed into buying a church, a very nice
00:22:45.140church in the Chicago area, and even the seminary building in Winona, Minnesota. That was my father's
00:22:51.060participation in the Catholic faith. So he did not minimalize at all the practice of the Catholic
00:22:58.420faith in our family. That's not a surprise, the way that relationship worked, because I think
00:23:02.800St. Joseph and Our Lady, that would have been the same thing. She was the one with all the knowledge.
00:23:08.160Oh, yeah. Thank you for that reflection. I haven't thought of that one yet, but yes,
00:23:12.540that's a very good reflection. But in this regard is another thing. Obviously,
00:23:18.640your mom's a really strong lady. I mean, just from the sounds of everything, when I read it.
00:23:22.680Yes, she is. And she was surrounded by a lot of people who liked a strong lady.1.00
00:23:26.040Yes. Well, here's a question, because in traditional Catholic teaching, in terms of a husband and wife, when they're living, the wife is to submit to the husband. How does that work when there is a woman who's so strong, so knowledgeable? Did you ever see that play out in your family? Because that's obviously a hot topic right now, because that's a teaching that's completely rejected by almost everybody.0.60
00:23:50.440Well, you know how parents, they must get together once in a while by themselves and work out family issues and make some family decisions.
00:23:58.280My mother said in that situation, she always presented her side of the story, what she had to say, let my father think about it, and then just stayed quiet about it after that.
00:24:10.060And let him make the decision because that would be the right order of things which you just described.
00:24:15.660But she had something to say, and then she said it,
00:24:18.760and then she stayed quiet and let God work out the rest.
00:24:22.480So one story in that regard, and that's in the book.
00:24:25.880It perhaps needs a lot of leading up to, a lot of segue to get to that story,
00:24:30.740but I'll try to pull it, I might pull it out of context here.
00:24:34.540Somewhere back in the early 1970s, all of us Catholic children, eight of us,
00:24:39.300we went to a Protestant school, a Baptist school.
00:24:42.660And we were there from about 1972 to 1978 or 79, something like that.
00:24:49.160And you might think, well, where did that come from?
00:24:51.380Well, the beginning of the book explains in several chapters why that happened.
00:24:55.060The Catholic school just wasn't doing their job.
00:26:07.580She stayed quiet. And meanwhile, my father was thinking, well, what's all this about a Baptist school? Definitely not, but I just got to see what this place looks like anyway. So he went over to see it. And he loves land, what's called real estate and architecture. And they were actually building this school at this time, or their second plant, something like that.
00:26:31.500And it was a fascinating building project. He was amazed by that. And he was also amazed by all the rules they had there in the school, the way the children had to dress, the way they had to talk or should not talk, the punishments, if they did do something bad, you know, you get paddling and all the rest of that.
00:26:50.940he was really amazed and impressed by the place. So I don't know how long this was in debate with
00:26:56.980my parents, a month or longer, but he came home and said, our children are going to go to that
00:27:02.440school. And my mother, when she heard that, she thought that's definitely the Holy Ghost at work
00:27:10.020because all I did was state my case earlier on and then I stayed quiet. And now he's telling me
00:27:14.640they must go to that school. Would you say that my mother was dictating that? I don't think so.
00:27:19.040I think she, like she said, stated her case and then prayed and stayed quiet.
00:27:24.180And then my father came up with a decision and she supported him.
00:27:27.680That's sort of an iconic one-off event that shows you about how she had the leadership,
00:27:38.340And I would say that happened in a lot of things.
00:27:42.180The whole thing with my dad and my father getting so involved with the church,
00:27:45.740You know, coordinator of the mission for the Society in Chicago and all the rest of that.
00:27:49.880I think we all knew as children when it came to religion, my mother was even much more serious than my father was.
00:27:55.500But being involved with these kind of projects were sort of irresistible for him.
00:28:00.300We saw at the same time that maybe my mother's our mother's leading, but my father is right there with her and and she's not bossing him around.
00:28:10.720And he still is calling the shots. He's still in charge of this family.
00:28:14.800It's just that he's got a very strong woman giving him advice.
00:28:18.920If you ask my mother why she married my father, she'll tell you it's because I knew I needed a man that was stronger than me.
00:28:30.800She knows she's a dominating personality.
00:28:33.660She knows her tendency is to dominate people, sometimes in a charming way, sometimes in a kind of heavy-handed way.
00:30:56.880For me, those words in themselves, they tell us exactly what he was all about and exactly where the church was headed for the next 60 years.
00:31:07.420To say, let in the fresh air of the world, well, first of all, we know that the air of the world is stinky, it is fetid, it is full of sin.
00:31:16.160And the church, by our Lord's own words, is supposed to be a light to the world, meaning that the world is darkness.
00:32:48.420And therefore, when the church modernized like that or liberalized like that, she was very aware about what was going on there.
00:32:56.620You probably remember, it is said in the first chapter of the book, which is the introduction, my mother on the occasion of her first Holy Communion.
00:33:06.220So I would guess that was about the year 1940, because she was born in 1933.
00:36:24.060But she was also following the liberalization of the Catholic Church at the same time.
00:36:29.020It's funny because in your book, it comes out that your parents are fighters.
00:36:33.120I mean, for one thing, as you explained, they took you out of the Catholic school, put you
00:36:37.780first in the public school, then into a Protestant school, a Baptist school.
00:36:42.380But how did it fare with regard to the traditional Mass and the Society of St. Pius X?
00:36:48.440First of all, I think it was only my older brother and sister, oldest brother and sister, who were actually in the Catholic school back in the 1960s.
00:36:57.320And that was all finished, let's say, they were taken out of the Catholic school even before the other members, there's David and Ruthann, even before they were school age.
00:37:09.640So they never even had a chance to go to the Catholic school at that time.
00:37:13.380So the older ones were taken out. I think I tell some of the stories in the book why that was.
00:37:17.680They were made to read an unusual book that had witchcraft in it.
00:37:21.100My mother protested it, and they got the book discontinued, which is fine.
00:37:27.820And then there were some other things.
00:37:30.200Go into your parents' bedroom and draw a picture of the bedroom.
00:44:09.540He did a fantastic job in making sure that the traditional mass would be, and the traditional catechism would be preserved in St. Louis, Missouri, against all kinds of odds.
00:44:19.260And then Mr. Thomas Summers, who is the father of my former superior, Father Patrick Summers in Asia.
00:44:26.840Mr. Thomas Summers, who's from the Jackson, Michigan area, he made a book about Father Boldock, Father Hector Boldock, who is the, as far as the American apostle of the Society of St. Pius X, he's like,
00:44:39.540George Washington. I mean, he started everything. I'm in a priory right now here in El Paso, Texas
00:44:44.420that was bought by Father Hector Bullock back in the late 70s or early 80s. So he got St. Mary's,
00:44:49.920Kansas for us. He obtained Kansas City, Missouri for us. He obtained Dickinson, Texas for us and
00:44:55.980this place and a lot of other places. Father Hector Bullock. So Father Mr. Thomas Summers
00:45:01.440wrote a book about his life. So I was talking with my mother around Easter of 2023 and I said,
00:45:07.540mom you need to have a book and she said no come on it's not that serious well i said well you
00:45:13.460got to write some things down and she said well maybe i will someday you need to have a book i
00:45:18.100insisted with her and uh so i can't i went home after that vacation i went back to my place my
00:45:23.420priory the priory of where i was at and uh just started writing essays until i made a book and
00:45:28.960my mother was so um she was so humiliated by that or mortified i don't know what she was surprised
00:45:34.260that I was making something such a big deal about