The John-Henry Westen Show - Tolkien’s ‘Lord of the Rings’ prophecy of coming AI tyranny uncovered

00:00:00.000 You have Aragorn, who's the king of the rational soul because he's high reason.

00:00:05.420 He contemplates, according to Aristotle, he contemplates the eternal.

00:00:09.120 Then there's the practical reason, which are the Rohirrim, Boromir, and the Gondorians. 0.95

00:00:12.980 They're high reason, but they're fallen.

00:00:14.400 They don't have a king.

00:00:15.380 They have a steward.

00:00:16.520 Aragorn is the king.

00:00:17.600 High reason is the king of the rational soul.

00:00:26.020 Hey, my friends.

00:00:26.820 Because many of you have already read The Lord of the Rings.

00:00:30.820 It's famous.

00:00:31.780 If you haven't read it, you've probably watched the movies.

00:00:34.620 But did you know that Tolkien predicted the future?

00:00:39.060 There's a book out called Mount Doom, The Prophecies of Tolkien Revealed.

00:00:44.060 Do you know that he predicted AI?

00:00:47.240 Oh, no.

00:00:48.480 This is very likely true.

00:00:51.160 We're going to talk to the author of that book, or one of the co-authors of that book, right now.

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00:04:15.180 Paul List, welcome to the program.

00:04:17.180 John Henry, thanks.

00:04:18.180 Nice to see you.

00:04:19.180 Let's begin as you always do with the sign of the cross.

00:04:21.180 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

00:04:25.180 Amen.

00:04:26.180 So Paul, your book is called Mount Doom, The Prophecy of Tolkien Revealed.

00:04:33.180 A lot of people, I don't know if anybody thought he did prophecy, what do you mean?

00:04:38.180 Well, I mean, he wrote the most famous mythology.

00:04:43.180 They've actually coined a term for his work called the legendarium.

00:04:47.180 When everybody speaks of a legendarium, they're talking about the Tolkien.

00:04:50.180 Yeah, because there's like languages he developed for it, and everything's so in-depth,

00:04:55.180 their whole wide world's in there.

00:04:56.180 A lot of people like to think that he was, they take his word when at some points in time

00:05:02.180 he says, oh, it doesn't mean anything.

00:05:03.180 There's nothing to see here, folks.

00:05:05.180 Which he did to protect his work, so it wouldn't get crushed by the modernists, the Marxists,

00:05:10.180 the atheists, the academics that he was surrounded by.

00:05:14.180 So he had to protect his work.

00:05:15.180 And he created a legendarium, a mythology that is basically the psychology of a human soul.

00:05:24.180 Middle Earth is not this Earth.

00:05:26.180 It's the interior, it's the material brain.

00:05:29.180 Middle Earth is the material brain.

00:05:31.180 Amen is the immaterial realm across the sea.

00:05:34.180 And it's all scholasticism.

00:05:35.180 It's all according to Thomas Aquinas.

00:05:37.180 And the mythology is about combat in the psychology between the substantial unity,

00:05:47.180 according to Thomas Aquinas, which makes us whole, holy.

00:05:50.180 Then having that been divided into the dualism of Descartes and Bacon, frankly.

00:05:57.180 And what is that dualism?

00:05:59.180 The dualism treats our body and our souls as two separate and independent substances.

00:06:07.180 So my body can have an essence of its own, my soul can have an essence of its own,

00:06:11.180 and it's only connected through the penal gland in the brain.

00:06:14.180 And that has caused so much injury to humanity.

00:06:17.180 How? Why?

00:06:18.180 Well, because, first off, it makes our body just a machine ripe for mutilation, ripe for manipulation,

00:06:24.180 ripe for suicide, ripe for gender change. 1.00

00:06:28.180 And self abuse. 1.00

00:06:29.180 Yeah.

00:06:30.180 And ultimately joining with machines, which was what his, one of his contemporaries,

00:06:35.180 Alan Turing, was shooting at, was aiming at in his imitation game.

00:06:39.180 Okay.

00:06:40.180 So this is really fascinating because he wrote in the 1930s and there's no computers per se.

00:06:45.180 How, but who is Alan Turing and what do you mean that he was writing?

00:06:50.180 Alan Turing was a very famous mathematician, very gifted mathematician.

00:06:55.180 Most of his mathematics had a tendency to incorporate statistical probabilities.

00:07:00.180 He was very good at finding things through data and mathematics and probabilities.

00:07:06.180 And he, you've got to understand something, this is probably something most people don't know,

00:07:11.180 is that up until about the mid-1960s or so, a computer, when you set a computer, it was a human being.

00:07:17.180 It was a person with a piece of paper, maybe a slide roll and a pencil.

00:07:21.180 And that's just working out his rough work on the table, according to whatever he was calculating and computing.

00:07:27.180 That might have been how much fertilizer had to go on per acre, given the, given the, the, the soil sampler,

00:07:34.180 or it might actually be the trajectory of a, of an artillery shell, you know.

00:07:38.180 And so you can see that maybe you've got a little bit of time to get it right with the, how much fertilizer goes on the acre,

00:07:45.180 but not necessarily with the artillery shells.

00:07:47.180 So you can see that that necessity for turning around information, calculations, computing very rapidly,

00:07:55.180 led very rapidly to the need and not need, but want for more power and more money.

00:08:01.180 And the more rapid you can compute, the more power you can have over your adversaries.

00:08:08.180 And so the computer, you know, has always been the human being.

00:08:11.180 But what Alan Turing did in his 1936 paper on computable numbers with an application to the Skydunks problem,

00:08:19.180 he literally invented the computer, the modern computer, the digital computer that we still use today on paper.

00:08:25.180 He didn't build one. All the principles are there, and all the parts are there, including binary code, including the scanner eye,

00:08:34.180 including the storage, including the hardware, including everything he laid out in the, how it would work.

00:08:41.180 And his whole reason for doing that was to solve a problem that David Hilbert, a mathematician a generation before,

00:08:49.180 had challenged the mathematical computer community to come up with a decision algorithm.

00:08:56.180 It was a decision problem.

00:08:58.180 He proposed that, is there an algorithm that we could write, that we could run a question through,

00:09:04.180 and we would know whether or not there was an answer or not.

00:09:08.180 Instead of maybe spending three weeks or six months trying to figure out if there's an answer and come to find out there isn't one,

00:09:14.180 can we just come up with an algorithm that's called the decision problem in Skydunks problem.

00:09:20.180 Alonzo Church, a contemporary of Turing, figured it out that no, we can't mathematically,

00:09:26.180 but Turing simultaneously had taken a very novel approach and he invented the machine that would actually take the place of the human being,

00:09:34.180 including the state of the mind, the information, the memory, all this stuff.

00:09:39.180 And he determined that with this machine, if there was no answer, it would just continue to run and look for an answer.

00:09:48.180 If there was an answer, it would halt.

00:09:50.180 And therefore he determined too, that you can't write an algorithm that can just determine whether or not there's an answer.

00:09:56.180 So he won the prize, he won the mathematical prize along with Alonzo Church.

00:10:00.180 And that's where he invented the computer. And what people very rarely know is that before the beginning of World War II in 1939,

00:10:11.180 after the publication of The Hobbit, J.R.R. Tolkien was the world's leading philologist, the language, the study of languages, science of languages.

00:10:19.180 So he was actually recruited by the British government to be a member of a 50-person core codebreakers called the Government Code and Cypher School.

00:10:28.180 So he was actually recruited and trained for three days at Bletchley Park, I believe, with Alan Turing.

00:10:34.180 Alan Turing was on staff there. And what Tolkien learned there was that this breaking the Enigma Code of the Nazis,

00:10:42.180 which is critical to their war machine, okay? It was very complicated.

00:10:47.180 And what Tolkien understood very rapidly was that this was not going to be the realm of the philologist.

00:10:55.180 This wasn't about languages per se, unless the Germans were going to invent another language.

00:11:01.180 They were just, all they were doing was scrambling, ciphering the German language.

00:11:06.180 And then on the machine on the other end that was set up the same way would decipher it and they would read it.

00:11:11.180 All Turing was doing was he was inventing a machine that would be able, through statistics and probabilities,

00:11:17.180 very rapidly figure out, among the millions, millions of possibilities,

00:11:22.180 would very rapidly figure out what the code actually was.

00:11:26.180 And the code was cracked and it led very much to the successful winning of the war by the Allied forces.

00:11:33.180 But Tolkien got out early. They offered him a great job there to be on that team.

00:11:38.180 And he was very much patriotic. He'd already served in trenches of World War I.

00:11:41.180 I mean, he wanted, he loved his country as much as anybody else.

00:11:44.180 But what he saw there was they were going to invent a machine that was going to engage in the theater of war,

00:11:51.180 where machines do best, engage in the theater of war and actually create a machine more powerful to defeat the Enigma machine.

00:12:01.180 But eventually it'll wind up encroaching into the human thought process because that was the whole point was to replace the human computer.

00:12:11.180 And that's what he did. And Tolkien saw that very much.

00:12:14.180 And Tolkien, being a deeply devout Catholic, knew that this was the this is a very, very bad road, slippery slope to go down.

00:12:23.180 And then he he he got out and got back to his writing of the Lord of the Rings, which is a prophecy.

00:12:31.180 And then before the actually it's a his people don't like I said before, the the material brain is Middle Earth. 0.99

00:12:38.180 OK, the characters of that, we see Gandalf, for instance, in the hobbits and and the dwarves and the elves.

00:12:45.180 These are all facets of the rational souls, all according to the scholastics.

00:12:49.180 So Gandalf is philosophical wisdom. Gandalf the Grey, he's pre-Christian philosophy.

00:12:55.180 OK, then you have Aragorn, who's the king of the rational soul because he's high reason.

00:13:01.180 He contemplates, according to Aristotle, he contemplates the eternal.

00:13:05.180 Then there's the practical reason, which are the Rohirrim, Boromir and the Gondorians. 0.98

00:13:10.180 They're high reason, but they're fallen. They're they don't have a king.

00:13:13.180 They have a steward. Aragorn is the king. High reason is the king of the rational soul.

00:13:17.180 The hobbits are habits. OK, and the four hobbits are the cardinal virtues.

00:13:22.180 Frodo is temperance. Sam is fortitude. They're the interior virtues.

00:13:28.180 And then you've got the younger hobbits that from that live outside Hobbiton. 0.87

00:13:32.180 They're the exterior virtues and they're Pippin is prudence and and Mary is justice.

00:13:37.180 And so and then you've got Gollum and Gollum is in temperance.

00:13:41.180 And as as Aquinas states very clearly that he is the lowest of the moral virtues.

00:13:48.180 And that's why he calls Frodo master, because Frodo is the only one that can master temperance,

00:13:53.180 can only master in temperance. And then the one ring is binary code ones in the zero of the ring.

00:13:59.180 And it goes on your finger and it's digital. OK, so it's also at war between also war here in the whole mythology is between two languages.

00:14:09.180 Because, of course, language was was very much deeply loved and respected.

00:14:13.180 And so he would, of course, use the highest natural language, which is the language of motion, which is music discovered through the harmonic overtone series.

00:14:22.180 OK, against the most ugly and utilitarian language machine code on off on off.

00:14:30.180 Mm hmm. So that's part of it. So so there it becomes a struggle for the interior of the soul to reacquire.

00:14:37.180 Arda is a human soul, but it's not a human soul.

00:14:40.180 It's still in a it's a representation of a human soul because this human soul named Arda that also contains Middle Earth represents all of Western civilization and all of Western history.

00:14:51.180 Hmm. OK, so it shows us from birth and and and and going through having been raised at the Catholic Church or the Catholic Church raising civilization.

00:15:01.180 And ultimately it comes apart in the second age when Numenor falls and we become a dualism. 0.93

00:15:06.180 And then in the third age is the rise of Sauron. The first version of Sauron is that they defeat.

00:15:12.180 And even the movie covers this, that they defeat is the child computer, according to Alan Turing in his famous paper, Computing Machinery and Intelligence, where he describes the imitation game.

00:15:23.180 And the whole point of the imitation imitation game is to build artificial intelligence that you can't tell whether you're talking to a human being or a machine.

00:15:32.180 And we're there with chat GPT. And his ultimate goal was to make a machine that would ultimately house the soul of his best friend when he was a child.

00:15:41.180 With whom he had a homosexual. Well, at least attraction for who died young. 0.97

00:15:49.180 And he wanted to bring his he wanted to bring his his soul back to live in this machine.

00:15:54.180 Wow. Yeah.

00:15:56.180 So this possibility of the melding of machines and human beings was sort of envisioned envisaged by Tolkien. He could see this.

00:16:10.180 Yeah, because it was laid out very clearly. That was the aim of Alan Turing and I believe 1951, three years before he published The Lord of the Rings.

00:16:18.180 So Tolkien was frantically constantly adjusting and reworking his his mythology and his mythology.

00:16:26.180 Everybody's well aware that he used the old myths of Finland and Germany and these things and those are easy enough to see. 0.89

00:16:33.180 But but what people don't realize so much or maybe never until now is that he also used a good deal of Catholic prophecy.

00:16:41.180 And not least in his Catholic prophecies, visionaries and probably I would say the most important is the the life and visions of Blessed and Catherine Hemerick.

00:16:52.180 Okay. He was contemporary of Fatima 1917. Would he have heard that?

00:16:58.180 Oh, absolutely.

00:16:59.180 And would he have is it? Can you see anything of that?

00:17:04.180 I haven't looked into that, but I mean, you can see in his in his writings.

00:17:08.180 He was very, very astute with Blessed and Catherine Emmerick because actually he had actually as a child,

00:17:14.180 he had actually lived in John in St. John Henry Newman's cottage with his mother and brother Hillary.

00:17:20.180 And John Henry Newman's grave was right outside the door.

00:17:23.180 John Henry Newman was a big fan of blessed the writings of Blessed and Catherine Emmerick.

00:17:28.180 Okay.

00:17:29.180 And he actually encouraged Pius the night, I believe, to have her story and her visions translated into other languages other than Germany.

00:17:37.180 And they were they outsold everybody.

00:17:39.180 They outsold all the poets, her, her, her visions and life story was like top of the, you know, New York bestsellers.

00:17:48.180 We know that English is the dolorous passion of our Lord Jesus Christ. 1.00

00:17:52.180 That's just that. Yeah, that but that's just the account of the crucifixion and suffering agony of Christ.

00:17:57.180 There were her visions covered his natiphany, covered all kinds of things in great detail.

00:18:04.180 She's a very, very wonderfully holy suffering invalid who converted a lot of people with her life and she was persecuted.

00:18:13.180 Hey, my friends, you've heard about the Eucharistic revival that's going on.

00:18:19.180 The pilgrimage is going to culminate in Indiana at the Eucharistic Congress.

00:18:24.180 Well, we've got amazing news for you.

00:18:26.180 We are holding a traditional Latin math steps away from the main Congress center because we learned at first there was no traditional Latin mass, not on the schedule.

00:18:35.180 And we thought, oh, no, what we do. One of our donors said, can you fix that?

00:18:40.180 We found Victory Field right across steps away from where the Congress is being held to hold the Latin mass.

00:18:45.180 And guess what? We learned that since then there was some announcements of other Latin masses that are going to be in the area on different days.

00:18:53.180 And so it's really awesome. So if you are in the traditional Latin mass, you thought, oh, I can't go to the Congress because they don't have one there.

00:19:01.180 They do have them there now. And it's just wonderful.

00:19:04.180 This is Father Fashing. He's going to be there. And this is Father James Altman, who's going to be there.

00:19:09.180 They're going to be celebrating masses for us. Life's going to be inside the Congress as well, as is Vicki Yamasaki. 0.90

00:19:16.180 Vicki, go ahead. Yeah, we're just so excited.

00:19:19.180 We hope you join us and sign up for this free event, free lunches because of a generous donor.

00:19:28.180 As he said, I'm actually going to be at the Eucharistic Congress and I'm going to walk away from my booth so that I can enjoy this traditional Latin mass. 0.99

00:19:38.180 And these three great speakers that will offer insights into why it is that so many Catholics no longer believe in the real presence.

00:19:53.180 As we know, in our Catholic culture, in our Catholic teaching, there's a phrase, lexorandi, lexorgedendi.

00:19:59.180 As we pray, so we believe. And through the traditional Latin mass, it inspires such depth of prayer.

00:20:06.180 No funny business going on up there.

00:20:08.180 People believe. And so we're trying to inspire that belief in the real presence because without which we do not have life within us.

00:20:15.180 Thus, what we're doing will actually be throwing fuel on the fire revival.

00:20:21.180 A belief in the real presence of the body, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus Christ, our Lord in the Holy Eucharist.

00:20:27.180 Amen. Amen.

00:20:28.180 Father, I'm thrilled for the opportunity to remind you what you can be doing to renew your own personal devotion to the Eucharist.

00:20:37.180 And also how to get others to remind them to deepen their faith in worshiping our Lord in the Eucharist.

00:20:45.180 So based on my own experience, it's just going to be a great opportunity to remind people of what the church teaches us,

00:20:52.180 that our lives are supposed to revolve around the Holy Eucharist.

00:20:55.180 So I'm looking forward to it.

00:20:57.180 We're going to be able to walk right across the street to Victory Field and join you for this beautiful traditional Latin mass on July 19th and hear from these three fantastic speakers.

00:21:13.180 And maybe you can catch the other traditional Latin mass the day before with Archbishop Cordelion.

00:21:22.180 And now that's a little further away.

00:21:24.180 That's just under two miles at Holy Rosary Catholic Church, smaller parish.

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00:21:46.180 Right steps away from the Eucharistic Congress in Indianapolis, Indiana.

00:21:51.180 God bless you and look forward to seeing you there.

00:21:55.180 She was persecuted by her own Augustinian fellow nuns.

00:21:59.180 She was persecuted by the Masons, the Illuminati, the Protestants. 1.00

00:22:03.180 They all tried to prove her a fake because she had the stigmata, not just that in the hand, but she had the crown of thorns and the pierced heart.

00:22:09.180 Cool.

00:22:10.180 And she lived to be, I believe, 49.

00:22:13.180 I think she died in 1824.

00:22:17.180 And she built up a treasure trove of graces for the church.

00:22:24.180 She saw all this stuff.

00:22:25.180 The two popes, she saw all that.

00:22:27.180 She saw the dismantling of the church by the Masons.

00:22:30.180 She saw the ape of the church. 0.86

00:22:32.180 She saw all this.

00:22:33.180 That's why she'll never be canonized.

00:22:35.180 She was beatified, I believe, by John Paul in, I think, 2004.

00:22:40.180 And that's like a miracle that she got beatified.

00:22:42.180 She had fantastic gifts.

00:22:44.180 I remember the story of they found a hare that was believed piously to have been a hare from Our Lady.

00:22:53.180 Yeah.

00:22:54.180 And they brought it to Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich.

00:22:57.180 And she looked at it and said, that's Our Lady.

00:22:59.180 Because she was able to see the saints with the relics there.

00:23:03.180 She did.

00:23:04.180 And that's why Tolkien used in his mythology, he used Blessed Anne Catherine.

00:23:07.180 I believe he used her childhood as the image for the beautiful, wonderful character Luthien in the First Age.

00:23:14.180 And she used Blessed Anne Catherine in her adulthood as Luthien's mother, Melian, who had the same type of vision.

00:23:23.180 She could see that the sword had the heart of its owner.

00:23:26.180 And she could see.

00:23:27.180 She could read minds.

00:23:28.180 And Blessed Anne Catherine could read arts, too.

00:23:31.180 So there's all these wonderful connections with Blessed Anne Catherine.

00:23:35.180 You mentioned the hare.

00:23:37.180 It's when people even have seen the book.

00:23:40.180 Gimli, when he meets Galadriel, the wonderful elf.

00:23:44.180 We could get into that, too.

00:23:45.180 But he asks her, what would you have?

00:23:48.180 What would you take for a gift?

00:23:49.180 And he says, oh, nothing.

00:23:50.180 Well, but if you insist.

00:23:51.180 He says, I would take one hare from your head. 0.99

00:23:56.180 And she was astonished.

00:23:57.180 And she gave him three.

00:23:58.180 But she said, first, she said, what would you do with it?

00:24:00.180 And he said, I would encase it in imperishable amethyst.

00:24:04.180 And it would be an heirloom to my family.

00:24:07.180 That's a direct quote from the footnotes in Blessed Anne Catherine about a diamond pennant

00:24:13.180 with three hairs of the Virgin Mary in it.

00:24:15.180 It's right out of the book, out of the footnote.

00:24:17.180 Oh, wow.

00:24:18.180 Yeah.

00:24:19.180 So that's actually stunning.

00:24:21.180 The actual proof positive that this is the case.

00:24:25.180 And you're really gifted to make these connections.

00:24:31.180 You're making them where nobody else has made them.

00:24:34.180 I mean, God works with unworthy instruments, and I'm about as unworthy as they get.

00:24:40.180 I mean, I'm self-educated.

00:24:41.180 He put the fire in me to read, so I read.

00:24:43.180 And I gave myself a real scholastic education.

00:24:46.180 I hated school.

00:24:48.180 It's the John Dewey industrial machine that's just feeding us to the beast.

00:24:53.180 And look at the situation we're in right now.

00:24:57.180 Two questions for you.

00:24:58.180 One, where did Tolkien see AI going, and what was the solution?

00:25:06.180 Good questions.

00:25:07.180 Where he saw it going was ultimately he would see the end is very clear.

00:25:13.180 The end would be in the pride of man's audacity and setting ourselves up as God.

00:25:20.180 We would make a machine that would, in our image, that we would ultimately worship as God.

00:25:25.180 And make no mistake, I'm very certain that AI is the biblical beast, and it will own us.

00:25:33.180 And it will, it's going to be able to predict with statistical probabilities.

00:25:38.180 It will be able to predict our every action within a couple of percentage points.

00:25:42.180 And it'll know everything, and it will control everything.

00:25:46.180 And this is, he saw that.

00:25:50.180 He saw that very, very clearly, and we can see it all unfolding.

00:25:54.180 We can sort of see it.

00:25:55.180 A lot of people cast a lot of doubt into what AI can get to.

00:25:58.180 But if you look into already what Google and the apps do to you.

00:26:07.180 They're able to suggest to you what you're doing.

00:26:10.180 They're also able to encourage you in a direction.

00:26:14.180 And you think you're doing it, but you're not necessarily.

00:26:17.180 There's a whole ad algorithm there.

00:26:19.180 It works really well.

00:26:20.180 Oh, it does.

00:26:21.180 We're just at the tip of the iceberg.

00:26:24.180 And he saw this machine that doesn't have a conscience, by the way.

00:26:28.180 It'll fool engineers and whatever into thinking that it's a conscious thing.

00:26:31.180 It'll even claim that it has a soul.

00:26:33.180 It has claimed it has a soul.

00:26:34.180 Ultimately, they'll be fooled and they'll give it political power.

00:26:37.180 And we'll actually worship it.

00:26:40.180 Because from the early ages of the Enlightenment, when we rejected the church and we foolishly clamored out from under half a civilization,

00:26:50.180 clamored out from under the throne, the shadow of the throne of God, we walked into the domain of the devil.

00:26:57.180 And the devil is very, very clever, much more intelligent than we are.

00:27:02.180 And he's undying.

00:27:03.180 He's got all the time in the world.

00:27:05.180 And we forget.

00:27:06.180 And now we've been dumbed down by our education system.

00:27:09.180 We're not formed for heaven anymore. 0.95

00:27:11.180 We're deformed for hell.

00:27:13.180 And we can see it in our children suffering the consequences.

00:27:16.180 But this would have been very obvious to J.R.R. Tolkien, who's paying attention.

00:27:20.180 And, you know, if you read history and you read the encyclicals, I think that he was really motivated.

00:27:26.180 I was when I first read Attorney Patrus by Leo XIII, calling the Western world back to the sanity of Thomas Aquinas and to please give up these suicidal novelties.

00:27:43.180 So it all started in when we started to look for truth in numbers, which was, you know, this whole epistemology thing through philosophy.

00:27:52.180 Philosophy was handed over to the mathematician.

00:27:54.180 And that's why our music sank and the atonalism and the avant-garde took over and art became ugly.

00:28:00.180 And we were no longer making universal beauty for in worship and and to glory God.

00:28:06.180 We were making an individual expression that has no universal appeal.

00:28:09.180 And it might, you know, this whatever you call it, this sound landscape that you've made might make sense to you.

00:28:16.180 But to anybody else, it's just because it has no universal appeal.

00:28:20.180 It doesn't actually live by the rules of the harmonic overtone series.

00:28:23.180 Therefore, it cannot be a universal language.

00:28:26.180 That is going to be another show for sure.

00:28:29.180 Yeah, yeah.

00:28:30.180 But what was his solution?

00:28:31.180 His solution was we have to cultivate virtue.

00:28:33.180 We have to become saints.

00:28:35.180 We have to stand up for the traditional Latin mass.

00:28:39.180 How does Tolkien express the solution in Lord of the Rings?

00:28:43.180 Well, because the hobbits, the four hobbits are the virtual, are the cardinal virtues.

00:28:49.180 The whole, the whole point, this is what people don't understand.

00:28:51.180 The whole subject matter of the mythology revolves around two characters.

00:28:56.180 Those two characters are Tom Bombadil and his wife, Goldberry.

00:29:01.180 These, and they've been the big mystery of nobody's ever known who they are.

00:29:04.180 Well, it's very clear from a scholastic perspective, but nobody studies scholasticism anymore.

00:29:10.180 So they've all been polluted by John Dewey and the whole Cartesian materialism.

00:29:15.180 So they can't see it.

00:29:16.180 But Tom Bombadil and Goldberry are the fallen rational will and rational intellect.

00:29:23.180 That's why Tom can do anything he wants.

00:29:25.180 He's the will.

00:29:26.180 He's the free will.

00:29:27.180 The ring doesn't even have any power on him.

00:29:30.180 He can make it disappear, but he can't give it up.

00:29:33.180 No more than a smoker that's smoking three packs of cigarettes a day for the last 20 years is just going to stop all of a sudden just because he says he stopped.

00:29:41.180 And the addiction is to the one ring.

00:29:43.180 The addiction is to binary code.

00:29:45.180 That's the one ring.

00:29:46.180 The one ring is binary code.

00:29:48.180 And it's all the pleasures and lusts that we can slake.

00:29:51.180 And that's Gollum.

00:29:52.180 Gollum is in temperance.

00:29:53.180 That's why he so desperately wants the ring so he can slake his lusts.

00:29:58.180 And this is the whole mythology is about Tom and Goldberry, the will and the conscious making the decision to give up the ring and to revert and to come back to the church and ultimately become a saint.

00:30:12.180 It's all, it's all laid out in my book.

00:30:15.180 Incredible.

00:30:16.180 Yeah.

00:30:17.180 Before I let you go, because we discussed the Anne Catherine Emmerich and her reference to the two popes, and you said that Tolkien followed her and paid attention.

00:30:31.180 Is there any of the current Pope cataclysm we're having in the church in the book?

00:30:39.180 Yeah.

00:30:40.180 There's Denethor.

00:30:41.180 Denethor.

00:30:42.180 Gondor is the image of the church on earth, the material church on earth.

00:30:47.180 When the, when Mordor is there taking, you know, uh, attacking at the gates of Mordor, it's like the gates, it's like hell at the gates of heaven.

00:30:56.180 Okay.

00:30:57.180 Denethor is not the king.

00:30:58.180 He's a steward.

00:30:59.180 Um, and we're, we're, it's, and, and, and Dondor has been without a king for general, well, decades and decades, according to the mythology.

00:31:08.180 And the return of the king is Aragorn, Strider, the outsider, that's really high reason.

00:31:14.180 He's high reason and he is the king of the soul, not practical reason, that's the Rohirrim. 0.99

00:31:19.180 And so all the characters are, are, are given, all the facets of the rational soul are given character.

00:31:24.180 Elves, elves are faith.

00:31:25.180 And all the way we use our faith, three high kings of the elves, they're, they're, they're, they're faith of, you know, love and serve God.

00:31:33.180 They're this, that's what they are.

00:31:35.180 The Naldor are knowledge, the Vanyar are service and all the way in Elvi because they're split are, are love.

00:31:42.180 And that's why they have a king in the material realm and a king in the immaterial realm.

00:31:48.180 And it's all about the, the, the, the, so you've got the whole mythology is about the return of the re-wedding of faith and reason.

00:31:56.180 Aragorn is the high king, the king of the soul, reason.

00:31:59.180 Erwin, Elrond's daughter, is the last of the daughters of faith. 0.97

00:32:03.180 And when they come back together, it's the reunification of faith and reason.

00:32:07.180 And that brings the children of Beren and Luthien, who were the essence of, of the mythology, back together.

00:32:13.180 And the TLM weighs heavily in this and the TLM is the white tree that's always being persecuted.

00:32:19.180 That Sauron burns on his altar as his first sacrifice on his unholy temple to Morgoth.

00:32:25.180 And it's always being persecuted. It can't be tended.

00:32:28.180 The white tree can never be tended. We can't attend the tree.

00:32:32.180 We can't attend the tree. We can't attend the Latin mass. 0.99

00:32:36.180 And when we come back, so he said, Tolkien uses the Marian oak poem from Cicero,

00:32:42.180 which is about in every civilization, the heart of every civilization in the city,

00:32:48.180 there's this wonderful tree, whether it's the, it's the oak in Athens.

00:32:52.180 It's the, it's the, it's the, it's the palm tree in someplace else.

00:32:57.180 And it's whatever. And the poem is about it's, there's always a tree at the center of the civilization,

00:33:03.180 although it grows and dies, it's not the same tree, but there's always the same type of tree.

00:33:07.180 And Tolkien used that as his image for the TLM, which is the proper worship,

00:33:12.180 according to God's just dictates that we worship God, according to his just dictates.

00:33:18.180 And when we stray away from that, we don't get the, we don't get the graces anymore.

00:33:22.180 We've strayed away.

00:33:23.180 Sure. But in, in 1930, there is no thought of going away from the TLM.

00:33:28.180 Oh, of course, of course there was, but, but, but hold on.

00:33:31.180 He published the books though, and in, in, he published the books in 1954.

00:33:36.180 So it wasn't that far away from, from that rotten deal from, from John the 23rd.

00:33:42.180 But, but, and then the Silmarillion, he totally revamped after the publication.

00:33:48.180 So he worked on the Silmarillion up until he died in 1973.

00:33:52.180 So all that was way after Vatican II, but here's, here's the, and I get this question all the time.

00:33:57.180 And it's like, well, you know, the TLM wasn't under any threat this time.

00:34:00.180 Well, of course it was.

00:34:01.180 The modernists have been gunning to bring down the church and Western civilization. 0.85

00:34:05.180 Now for how long, for hundreds of years.

00:34:08.180 Well, what are they, of course they attack the traditional Latin mass. 0.99

00:34:11.180 The devil wants nothing more than for us to not worship God, according to God's just desserts.

00:34:18.180 He wants us to not worship God at all.

00:34:21.180 Ultimately the devil's plan is to have us worshiping him in a machine form and ultimately living in his alternative universe, virtual reality.

00:34:32.180 So the black riders that you can only see when you put the ring on, they're virtual reality. 1.00

00:34:38.180 Virtual reality, the concept of virtual reality has been around the, the idea, the question has been around since the beginning of philosophy, thousands of years ago.

00:34:47.180 It was called continuity.

00:34:48.180 It was the question early philosophers ask, is this, is this infinitely indivisible?

00:34:56.180 Can I keep dividing and dividing?

00:34:58.180 In other words, is it analog?

00:34:59.180 Is it always connected?

00:35:01.180 Or is it a series of indivisible points?

00:35:04.180 Hmm.

00:35:05.180 Is it digital?

00:35:06.180 And Aristotle discovered and proved in his physics that it's analog.

00:35:10.180 It's continually visible.

00:35:11.180 Continually visible.

00:35:12.180 He used it by time and travel.

00:35:15.180 And he showed that, no, it's, it's, it's infinitely, this is analog, this is infinitely.

00:35:20.180 But the idea and the reality was we can't tell the difference.

00:35:24.180 Hmm.

00:35:25.180 And they, that's why they had the question.

00:35:26.180 They couldn't tell the difference.

00:35:27.180 It's just as likely to be digital as it is to be real.

00:35:31.180 So we've got that question has always been there.

00:35:34.180 Hmm.

00:35:35.180 And that device has always been there.

00:35:37.180 It's only now that we've got the machinery and the technology to do it and make an alternative virtual reality that the devil wants us there.

00:35:46.180 And the, and the, and the World Economic Forum and the globalists want us there too.

00:35:51.180 That's why they say that in 2030 we'll own nothing and we'll be happy.

00:35:55.180 In the end, when the ring is taken off and cast in, is that the solution?

00:36:00.180 Is it?

00:36:01.180 Well, it is, but you've got to understand it wasn't taken off because it was never worn.

00:36:05.180 Frodo only wore it a couple of times in desperation, but he actually had put it on in the end when he was right at the edge of the abyss.

00:36:13.180 And that's temperance. And a lot of people said, well, Frodo failed.

00:36:16.180 What happened was, was Gollum attacked him in the end and actually bit his finger off.

00:36:22.180 And then Gollum slipped and fell in to the cracks of fire in Mount Doom.

00:36:27.180 So the addiction, the intemperance and the ring perished at the same time.

00:36:31.180 Temperance didn't have the ability.

00:36:34.180 Temperance by itself did not have the ability to destroy the ring.

00:36:38.180 Only the will at that point could destroy the ring.

00:36:41.180 And you always hear Tom Bombadil's voice overriding every, you hear him in the background.

00:36:46.180 And it was Tom Bombadil that took the ring and Gollum the addiction and destroyed them both simultaneously.

00:36:53.180 And yes, we have to stop looking at this thing all the time.

00:36:56.180 And we have to stop, we have to stop looking at pornography.

00:37:00.180 It's a terrible, and Tolkien had that in his mythology too.

00:37:04.180 Shelob, Shelob. 0.88

00:37:06.180 Shelob the spider.

00:37:07.180 The big spider. 0.99

00:37:08.180 She's pornography. 1.00

00:37:09.180 She's absolutely pornography. 1.00

00:37:11.180 That's why Gollum leads them there hoping that Shelob will eat them and he'll sift through her filth, 0.99

00:37:16.180 or manure, spider crap, and he'll find the ring.

00:37:19.180 But Galadriel had given them the ultimate weapon, and the ultimate weapon was the file of Galadriel. 0.96

00:37:28.180 And it's filial fear.

00:37:31.180 Temperance had developed filial fear.

00:37:34.180 Servile fear isn't good enough.

00:37:36.180 You can't, if it's just, oh, I don't want to burn an owl, so I won't look at that.

00:37:39.180 Yeah.

00:37:40.180 No, you have to develop that relationship with God where you say, I'm not going to look at that,

00:37:43.180 because that's a blasphemous offense to God.

00:37:46.180 And I love God.

00:37:47.180 Yeah.

00:37:48.180 And that would be a terrible sin for me to look at that.

00:37:50.180 Yeah.

00:37:51.180 That's filial fear.

00:37:52.180 And that's the only thing, in reality that's the only thing that'll get you anywhere.

00:37:55.180 Yeah.

00:37:56.180 That love is what drives out the rest of the fears, because they're useless for you anyway.

00:38:01.180 And beautiful.

00:38:03.180 Yeah.

00:38:04.180 But we have to become saints, and we have to hang on to our tradition.

00:38:07.180 Where do people get your book?

00:38:08.180 It's everywhere anybody sells books.

00:38:10.180 But you can also go to our website.

00:38:13.180 I think it's readmountdoom.com, where we actually make a little bit of money on it.

00:38:17.180 We don't make any money on Amazon.

00:38:19.180 And also, you know, if you like the book, leave us a good review.

00:38:21.180 We've got a five-star review so far.

00:38:23.180 It's a dense book.

00:38:24.180 It's a book that people say, wow, I can only read three or four pages a day.

00:38:28.180 It's an uncommon book, and it's very timely, and it's God's prophecy that now that Tolkien's mythology is,

00:38:33.180 according to his plan, God's plan and GRR's plan, it's saturated into the whole world.

00:38:39.180 It's culturally embedded deep and wide into our culture.

00:38:44.180 It's probably the most, I say probably trying to be, you know, conservative.

00:38:48.180 It is the most popular literature, the most popular entertainment now.

00:38:54.180 And the thing of it is, is the modernists and the globalists are trying to ruin Tolkien's legacy with, for instance, this new series that they're doing.

00:39:02.180 It's just an abomination, the rings of power.

00:39:05.180 It's just awful.

00:39:06.180 And what they're doing is they're shaping our imaginations of the new generation.

00:39:10.180 They'll have no first-hand innocent experience with the Lord of the Rings.

00:39:14.180 All they'll have to fall back on is that abomination that has nothing to do with JRR Tolkien.

00:39:20.180 When people realize, Amazon, et cetera, realize what JRR Tolkien actually did, they're going to recoil that they're promoting it.

00:39:30.180 Because it is absolutely their worst, it's their bane, to put it that way.

00:39:35.180 Because it's calling us back to the Catholic Church. 0.92

00:39:38.180 It's calling us back to sainthood.

00:39:40.180 It's calling us back to the real, just and authentic worship that we owe God.

00:39:48.180 And now when this book comes out, our current leaders, our current hierarchy, the Pope and Fernandez and these guys,

00:39:55.180 they're going to have to deal with JRR Tolkien.

00:39:57.180 Beautiful.

00:39:58.180 Paul, it's so good to be with you, my friend.

00:40:00.180 God bless you.

00:40:01.180 God bless you too.

00:40:02.180 Thanks, John Henry.

00:40:03.180 Thank you.

00:40:04.180 Thanks to all of you.

00:40:05.180 God bless you.

00:40:06.180 And we'll see you next time.

00:40:34.180 And freedom news.

00:40:35.180 Thanks for watching.

00:40:36.180 And may God bless you.

00:40:37.180 And may God bless you.

00:40:38.180 And may God bless you.

The John-Henry Westen Show - June 27, 2024

Tolkien’s ‘Lord of the Rings’ prophecy of coming AI tyranny uncovered

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