The John-Henry Westen Show - 'Tridentine spirituality' will save the world

00:00:00.000 And so a new spirituality was accepted that gradually grew stronger and stronger with the

00:00:06.900 years. It was the me, me, me-centered spirituality, an anthropocentric center, me, my pleasure,

00:00:14.400 what I want, and now. And this is the spirituality that has taken over the church.

00:00:20.260 Hey, my friends, I've got a real treat for you today. I want to introduce you to someone.

00:00:32.000 I'm going to go through his bio. Yes, yes, yes. But I want to introduce you to someone who

00:00:36.740 has the answer, the answer to our crisis in the church and in the world today.

00:00:44.680 I know that's a big claim. And you're going to get to the same answer that you've heard a billion

00:00:54.360 times before. You've got to pray. But wait, it's true, and everybody knows it's true, but there's

00:01:07.300 a how involved. And this interview explains the how, like I guarantee you, you have never heard

00:01:16.640 before. And he gives the how. And you know, while I was talking with David Torkington, who is my guest,

00:01:25.360 I had all sorts of questions, and I couldn't ask them, because he answered everything.

00:01:36.140 David Torkington is a spiritual theologian, author, lecturer, retreat guide, and broadcaster

00:01:43.360 who specializes in prayer, Christian spirituality, and mystical theology. He's actually super famous.

00:01:50.040 You know, for the past 50 years, he's been communicating to huge audiences all of his study

00:01:59.200 on, and it's really self-study. Because during David, he was 12 years as director of a London

00:02:08.220 retreat and conference center, followed by his tenure as dean of studies at the National Catholic

00:02:13.800 Radio and Television Center in London, where he gained meaningful insight into the decline of the

00:02:19.400 moral and spiritual life in the church today. So he lectured on mystical theology at the invitation

00:02:26.820 of the Angelicum and the Dominican University in Rome. David has spent the rest of his life trying

00:02:32.680 to inspire Catholics with the truth, which is to return without delay to the profound contemplative

00:02:39.320 spirituality bequeathed to the early church by Jesus Christ himself and its development from St.

00:02:46.360 Paul to St. Teresa of Avila and St. John of the Cross. Now, he's a very celebrated author,

00:02:52.340 10 books on prayer and spiritual life that have been translated into 13 languages and sold more

00:02:58.620 than 400,000 copies in numerous countries around the world. Right now, he's got a 10-part series out

00:03:07.640 on Essentialist Press, and I'd very much encourage you to go to EssentialistPress.com to take part in that.

00:03:14.860 It's a free 10-part series. But for a taste of it, listen to this interview with David Torkington.

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00:04:57.220 So, you've already unpacked something for us that's very interesting because what I'd love

00:05:03.280 to get to is your understanding of the Church right now, and particularly how you came to

00:05:12.060 a new understanding of late of what's going on with the Francis papacy.

00:05:16.980 Well, I was rather naive 30 years ago. Nobody—you see, I was a traveling speaker, lecturer all over

00:05:24.660 the world. And at one stage, I was the Dean of Studies at the National Catholic Radio Television

00:05:31.080 Center here in London. And I met so many people from all over the world. I was invited here,

00:05:37.220 there, there, and everywhere. And this is how I became aware of the sex abuse on an industrial

00:05:45.200 scale in the Church. Now, an ordinary parish priest wouldn't know what I knew because he didn't travel

00:05:51.480 around. So, of course, that's how I found out about it. Even when lecturing—I say even when

00:05:58.000 lecturing in Rome, because I was asked to go and lecture on mystical theology by the Angelicum.

00:06:03.960 And it was there I met Dominicans from all over the world and found that what I had discovered

00:06:09.520 elsewhere was everywhere, but nobody wanted to know. So the only thing I thought I could do—my

00:06:17.540 parents were dead, my brothers were dead—but I did have a wider family. And the wider family

00:06:25.600 family that I belonged to simply couldn't believe it when I tried to tell them the truth. They simply

00:06:34.060 couldn't believe it. And I had a very nice letterback saying, David, we're so sorry to hear about all

00:06:39.640 this, and can we help you? And reading between the lines, what they were actually saying was,

00:06:46.500 can we send you a one-way ticket to the nearest funny farm? They couldn't believe it.

00:06:53.120 And so I realized I thought now I was free to speak out, but I wasn't free to speak out.

00:07:01.880 That's why I decided to go back to deepening my own prayer life in the next 30 years, and during

00:07:09.640 that time to go back to study the Catholic mystical tradition from the very beginning, so that when

00:07:19.620 people started to ask the question about prayer, I would have something, I would have a body of work

00:07:28.240 to place before them. And in fact, I did that. And I was so involved in doing that, that I became

00:07:35.580 rather naive. And this was my naivety. I believed, rather like an alcoholic. They say that an alcoholic has

00:07:51.280 to get so low that he realizes he becomes so disgusted with him or herself that they then turn their lives over to God.

00:08:04.800 And I thought that this would happen with a sexual abuse. I thought they would become so disgusted with themselves

00:08:13.940 that they would change, turn their lives over to God, and I would be there with the question that they were asking.

00:08:21.800 And the question I thought, in my wildest imagination, they would be asking is, tell us how to get back to prayer,

00:08:30.300 the deep prayer that you find in the early church. And so I was preparing the ground. But what I didn't realize was

00:08:40.340 that far from being disgusted, they began to look, first they had a year of mercy, and this was the

00:08:49.900 trigger for me, because I was writing for, I've been writing a column all my life for Catholic newspapers in

00:08:56.340 England, the Catholic Herald, the New Universe, the message of St. Anthony, and so on and so forth.

00:09:02.320 All of a sudden, it came to the year of mercy, and I couldn't make it out. Everybody had to be

00:09:10.400 forgiven without even having to say they were sorry, or look for forgiveness, or go to confession.

00:09:16.700 And it was this that alerted me to the fact that something was going on.

00:09:20.700 Then more and more people began to tell me the unimaginable. And the unimaginable was this.

00:09:30.160 That the very people I thought, who were going to be so disgusted with themselves that they'd repent,

00:09:37.460 they'd convert and keep repenting and turn back to God. On the contrary, they wanted to

00:09:42.240 institutionalize their sinfulness. They wanted even to sacralize their sinfulness.

00:09:48.720 And I couldn't believe that this was happening to begin with, when people started to tell me.

00:09:55.480 But gradually, drip, drip, drip, I began to realize, through people like yourselves, perhaps

00:10:01.280 more you, and I don't mean you personally, I mean you and your magnificent 70, I think it is,

00:10:08.860 your magnificent 70, more than anybody else, were credible. So I had to believe what was going on.

00:10:17.740 Of course, the more I went into it, the more I realized the terrible state that we were in.

00:10:24.400 And therefore, I believed that I had now to come out of hiding, to come out of my

00:10:31.620 Rip Van Winkle, had to come down from the mountain, if you like, and start to try to call people back to

00:10:39.740 prayer, not just call people back to prayer in a vague, woolly sense, but to show them precisely

00:10:46.300 and accurately what was the teaching of the New Testament on prayer, what was the biblical

00:10:53.680 spirituality to which we must return. Because I also found out everywhere, people were saying,

00:11:01.200 we've got to, I'm talking here about what I would call the remnant, let's call the remnant,

00:11:05.640 you know what I mean. But they themselves are diverse, with disagreements and so forth,

00:11:12.200 amongst themselves, we've got to stop quarrelling. And we've got to do what

00:11:17.960 Cardinal Burke told us to do, tells us to do, what Cardinal Muller tells us to do, what Archbishop

00:11:30.080 Vigano tells us to do, what Bishop Strickland tells us to do, what Bishop Schneider tells us to do,

00:11:37.420 and that is back to the person of Christ. He's the heart, the centre of the church. He's the head

00:11:45.220 of the mystical body. But not just to go there, because Christ is not static. He is as active now

00:11:54.240 as he has ever been. And he is doing now what he did while he was on earth. And that is, he is

00:12:01.300 continuing to offer himself hope with all who are in him. The great liturgist Joseph Jungmann said,

00:12:10.980 Christ never prays alone, never prays alone, for he prays with the mystical body. Now we pray in,

00:12:19.400 with, and through him to the Father. But what I'd really like to do, if you'll give me the time,

00:12:29.380 instead of talking about just platitudes, about prayer in general, I want to go back to the scriptures.

00:12:37.660 I want to see, first of all, how Our Lady herself prayed, how she was taught to pray,

00:12:46.480 and then how she taught her son, Jesus Christ our Lord, how to pray. Because

00:12:54.920 we have got to learn from him. He came not just to

00:13:00.600 preach and tell us how to pray, but to show us by his example.

00:13:07.660 Now, when Christ was about two or three years of age, I've not had children. I don't really know

00:13:15.940 when they begin to speak. But the moment our Lord was able to speak, Our Lady taught him

00:13:23.040 a most important prayer that she herself had learned from St. Joachim and from St. Anne.

00:13:31.840 And that prayer is called the Shema. And she taught this prayer to Our Blessed Lord as he was a child.

00:13:42.860 Now, it's important to understand the inner nature of this prayer,

00:13:47.840 because this prayer gradually becomes Christianized, and we should be using it today.

00:13:54.420 The prayer of the Shema incorporates into it the first and the greatest of the commandments.

00:14:07.560 Our Lord said, this is the greatest of the commandments, and it sums up all the others.

00:14:13.080 And this prayer is to love God with your whole heart, and with your whole mind, with your whole body,

00:14:21.220 and with your whole strength. Now, that is incorporated into the Shema that is said by the Jews first thing in the morning.

00:14:30.280 It would have been said by Our Lady first thing in the morning.

00:14:33.620 Now, she teaches it to her son, Jesus Christ, so that the day ahead is therefore sacralized

00:14:45.080 by using everything and everyone in that day

00:14:51.580 to become the means through which we offer and sacrifice ourselves to God.

00:15:00.540 Now, this is what Jesus did himself.

00:15:04.980 When he was old enough, he went with St. Joseph to the synagogue.

00:15:10.160 Three times a day they went.

00:15:13.120 And if they couldn't go because they were working,

00:15:16.300 they would stop at nine o'clock, at twelve o'clock, and three o'clock,

00:15:19.820 and say, there's Shema there.

00:15:22.200 So, there's Shema was now said publicly with other Jews.

00:15:26.260 When our Lord, of course, began his public ministry,

00:15:31.120 he now went to the synagogue with his disciples.

00:15:35.440 They'd learned their Shema, and they said their Shema together.

00:15:39.840 Now, after the resurrection, after the Holy Spirit had been sent,

00:15:45.820 of course, Our Lady was there with them on that first Pentecost day.

00:15:51.080 She also, with the apostles, continued to say the Shema.

00:15:58.560 But now there was a difference, because now they said their Shema

00:16:03.340 in, with, and through our Lord Jesus Christ.

00:16:08.920 So now the prayer receives far greater power.

00:16:13.260 This is their morning prayer.

00:16:17.280 And they continue to go to the synagogue, where they said their Shema.

00:16:22.020 But now they said it in, with, and through Christ,

00:16:24.320 becoming a far more powerful prayer.

00:16:26.340 Now, let us see where I'm going.

00:16:29.080 I think you'll see where I'm going.

00:16:31.040 This, of course, is the prototype of our morning offering.

00:16:36.360 This is the point I want to stress now.

00:16:38.940 This is what...

00:16:39.480 I've got no newfangled ideas.

00:16:41.220 I've got no new gimmicks to put over and to encourage people to participate.

00:16:46.020 We've had enough of them.

00:16:47.380 No, it's back to what we've forgotten.

00:16:49.620 And we have forgotten it, because we wouldn't be in this terrible state

00:16:53.820 if we'd have forgotten, if we'd all of us together

00:16:57.500 remembered our Christian Shema, our morning offering.

00:17:03.780 Now, I was first taught this morning offering by my mother.

00:17:11.960 My mother's father, my grandfather, died in 1946.

00:17:17.300 I still remember him.

00:17:18.840 I loved him.

00:17:20.340 My grandfather was the last of the Lords of Spenithor.

00:17:24.260 His lineage goes right back to the Conqueror.

00:17:27.600 They were recusants.

00:17:28.980 This is the point I'm trying to make.

00:17:30.660 They were recusants, but he lost all his money.

00:17:33.860 He no longer kept his title.

00:17:35.520 His grand houses, the castle they owned in Yorkshire, their estates,

00:17:40.720 that was lost because everything had to be paid out

00:17:44.320 because they were recusants. 0.98

00:17:46.540 They refused to go to the Protestant church.

00:17:49.120 And for our viewers, let me perhaps make this point.

00:17:53.160 The word recusant comes from the Latin, and it means those who refused.

00:17:59.920 Je refuse.

00:18:02.080 Who was it who said that?

00:18:03.440 Never mind.

00:18:06.000 That's irrelevant.

00:18:08.020 So they refused to go to the parody of mass that was being said in the churches

00:18:13.380 that had been reconditioned from the Catholics.

00:18:20.540 And so I received this morning offering from my mother

00:18:28.700 because in recusant times there were two great pillars.

00:18:34.740 I know you were talking about pillars the other day.

00:18:37.220 I'm going to introduce you to two different pillars, only slightly different.

00:18:42.280 One of them was the pillar which was the offering of Jesus Christ,

00:18:48.720 our Lord, in the sacred mysteries.

00:18:50.560 After the Protestant Reformation, the Council of Trent wanted to emphasise more than ever

00:19:00.580 the sacrificial nature of our Catholic faith, of our Catholic spirituality,

00:19:07.660 and this was manifested in a dramatic way in the Tridentine Mass.

00:19:14.160 But there was another pillar too, and that was the pillar of our sacrifice in, with, and through Christ

00:19:25.220 that we made daily in the morning offering.

00:19:30.240 And together now we had the Tridentine Mass with the Tridentine spirituality.

00:19:40.480 As our offerings were gradually offered together with Christ day after day,

00:19:48.160 gradually they became as one.

00:19:53.680 So that now we began to offer when we went to Mass in, with, and through Christ.

00:20:01.880 And in our offering we received God's love.

00:20:05.500 And as we received God's love, we began to contemplate the glory of God

00:20:14.040 as his love came down to possess us.

00:20:18.800 Now this is, if you like, that what I'm calling the Tridentine spirituality

00:20:25.300 is not something which is just for those who happened, like myself, to have descended from Catholic

00:20:37.600 recusants, because it is merely the mirror reflection of the spirituality of the early days of the church.

00:20:46.900 That's all.

00:20:47.480 So it's just that what I'm calling the Tridentine spirituality that satellites and orbits the Tridentine Mass,

00:20:56.960 it's just that it is, we see it in modern times, in a way that we can understand perhaps more easily.

00:21:03.840 Although all the time in the talks that I'm giving, we mentioned those, I think, before we started to speak,

00:21:10.340 and maybe I'll mention them now, I have just completed 10 talks, thanks to Essentialist Press,

00:21:20.820 that are free, and they are filling out what I'm talking about now.

00:21:27.520 They are a 10-part series of the Catholic traditional prayer from the beginning.

00:21:32.920 And it is totally free, you'll be delighted to know.

00:21:37.120 All you do is to go to Essentialist Press, sign up, and I'm actually up to number four, I think, at the moment.

00:21:44.980 And please join us, because we now want to take the offensive,

00:21:49.940 and the offensive is through prayer, in, with, and through Christ.

00:21:54.860 But I think it's essential that we pray together,

00:21:57.940 not just at the same time, but within the same person, within the same person of Jesus Christ,

00:22:05.020 and in the way that he learned to prayer, to pray.

00:22:10.180 In other words, to, if we only go, you don't have to change anything,

00:22:15.480 you're doing your work, your job, or anything.

00:22:17.860 What I'm asking you to do is to sacralize it,

00:22:21.200 by going back to the way in which Jesus Christ, our Lord,

00:22:25.100 sacralized his day, by saying,

00:22:28.780 the shamer, our Christian shamer,

00:22:31.880 that we make in, with, and through him,

00:22:34.200 is our morning offering.

00:22:37.240 It's our morning offering.

00:22:39.420 Now, when my mum

00:22:41.600 first introduced me to it,

00:22:45.700 she told me that,

00:22:47.300 and it was so accurate, really,

00:22:50.300 she said,

00:22:50.840 by becoming,

00:22:54.300 by saying your morning offering,

00:22:57.900 you are becoming a little priest.

00:23:00.020 You're doing

00:23:01.120 what Rumpelstiltskin did.

00:23:04.380 You're changing ordinary,

00:23:05.860 commonplace things in the day ahead.

00:23:07.960 You're turning them into gold,

00:23:09.520 and you're doing it for God.

00:23:13.220 Now, I don't know if you remember,

00:23:15.180 John Hendry, but I'm sure you do.

00:23:16.740 You'll probably give me chapter and verse of when,

00:23:18.780 and I can't do that.

00:23:19.840 But when Pope Benedict first went on the internet,

00:23:24.600 he was approached by a young couple,

00:23:27.440 and they said,

00:23:28.120 Holy Father, we have a problem.

00:23:30.000 Can you help us?

00:23:31.640 And he said,

00:23:32.720 well, yes, what is it?

00:23:36.120 He said,

00:23:37.340 our problem is this.

00:23:40.740 Our problem is

00:23:42.520 that we've got six children.

00:23:45.060 We're very busy.

00:23:46.200 We've got a lot to do.

00:23:49.140 Teach us, please,

00:23:50.160 or tell us how to pray.

00:23:52.520 And what did he answer?

00:23:54.300 I'm sure you remember.

00:23:56.080 He said,

00:23:56.620 say your morning offering,

00:23:59.400 not to change what you're doing,

00:24:02.900 but to sacralize what you're doing,

00:24:05.320 as Jesus Christ,

00:24:06.740 our Lord,

00:24:07.800 did.

00:24:08.180 Now,

00:24:11.660 the curé d'Arc said this.

00:24:16.260 He said,

00:24:18.040 whatever you do without,

00:24:20.340 if you do anything without offering it to God in your day,

00:24:23.740 then you're wasting your time.

00:24:25.700 You're wasting it.

00:24:26.720 It is a waste.

00:24:28.660 Waste not,

00:24:29.220 want not,

00:24:29.700 as my mother used to say.

00:24:30.820 Don't waste anything,

00:24:34.060 because every moment of every day

00:24:35.980 is precious that you're doing.

00:24:38.240 Just sacralize it now

00:24:40.000 by using your morning offering

00:24:43.040 and then transposing it,

00:24:46.120 translating it

00:24:47.360 in such a way

00:24:48.900 that everything becomes,

00:24:51.220 becomes sacred.

00:24:54.160 And then my mum would say,

00:24:56.360 when we went to mass

00:24:57.980 on Sunday morning,

00:25:00.720 she would say,

00:25:02.120 now,

00:25:03.100 you take the sacrifices

00:25:05.040 that you've made

00:25:06.500 in putting your morning offering

00:25:08.880 into practice each day,

00:25:10.780 the time you've given

00:25:12.020 and the time you've given

00:25:13.520 to moments of prayer

00:25:14.700 throughout the day

00:25:15.840 and making little acts

00:25:17.760 of offering to God.

00:25:19.960 Incidentally,

00:25:20.600 I was talking to you before,

00:25:22.100 I don't know whether the viewers

00:25:23.300 have heard this,

00:25:24.120 but in 1949,

00:25:25.660 I became a rosary crusader.

00:25:28.880 And when I asked the leader

00:25:31.340 of the group,

00:25:32.460 as he was called,

00:25:33.500 what it was all about,

00:25:34.560 he told me about

00:25:35.460 Our Lady of Fatima.

00:25:37.860 And the watchword was

00:25:39.640 for everybody in that group

00:25:41.320 was this,

00:25:43.060 offer it up.

00:25:45.440 Offer everything up.

00:25:47.060 Remember St. Paul,

00:25:48.140 whether you're eating,

00:25:49.020 whether you're drinking,

00:25:50.120 offer everything up

00:25:51.440 to God through Christ.

00:25:53.900 This is putting

00:25:54.660 your morning offering

00:25:55.680 into practice.

00:25:56.700 But my mother said,

00:25:59.620 now we're going to Mass, David,

00:26:02.680 and you take

00:26:03.820 all those offerings you make,

00:26:05.300 all those sacrifices

00:26:06.920 that you have made,

00:26:09.000 and you offer them together

00:26:11.100 in, with, and through

00:26:12.780 our Lord Jesus Christ

00:26:14.960 to receive from him

00:26:17.960 to the measure

00:26:18.760 in which you are giving.

00:26:21.100 No correction.

00:26:22.620 You receive from far

00:26:24.820 greater measure,

00:26:26.660 far greater measure

00:26:27.820 than we give.

00:26:29.180 It always surpasses us.

00:26:31.840 And then, therefore,

00:26:33.660 you receive

00:26:34.740 the grace,

00:26:37.220 the strength

00:26:37.860 from God

00:26:39.200 to continue

00:26:40.620 the next week

00:26:42.360 making your morning offering

00:26:44.740 and continuing

00:26:45.960 and continuing

00:26:45.980 to transpose

00:26:46.860 your day

00:26:47.780 in such a way

00:26:48.980 that it becomes

00:26:50.460 a sacred action

00:26:52.160 until,

00:26:54.420 and here I'm quoting

00:26:55.320 Joseph Jungmann,

00:26:56.280 the great,

00:26:56.740 great liturgist,

00:26:58.220 perhaps the greatest

00:26:58.940 of all the liturgists.

00:27:00.140 he said,

00:27:02.360 in such a way

00:27:03.440 that your whole,

00:27:05.380 sorry,

00:27:06.680 I'll explain

00:27:07.440 why I'm laughing

00:27:08.140 in a moment,

00:27:09.480 in such a way

00:27:11.300 that your whole life

00:27:13.700 becomes the Mass,

00:27:16.120 the place

00:27:17.120 where you are

00:27:18.160 continually offering

00:27:19.700 yourself

00:27:20.560 through Christ

00:27:22.000 to the Father.

00:27:24.660 I'll explain

00:27:25.860 why I'm laughing now.

00:27:26.960 because I wrote

00:27:30.180 a book,

00:27:30.560 one of the books

00:27:31.200 I wrote

00:27:31.660 was called

00:27:32.360 and I only finished

00:27:35.120 it about

00:27:35.580 four years ago,

00:27:37.360 perhaps the main

00:27:38.100 book that I've

00:27:38.840 written to date,

00:27:39.920 many smaller books,

00:27:41.540 but it was called

00:27:42.480 The Primacy

00:27:46.400 of Loving

00:27:47.660 and I sent it

00:27:48.940 to various

00:27:50.860 publishers,

00:27:53.100 but to

00:27:53.360 a mainline publisher

00:27:55.260 in the USA,

00:27:56.160 perhaps one

00:27:57.160 of the biggest,

00:27:57.880 I won't mention

00:27:58.580 who they are.

00:28:00.060 Yes,

00:28:00.540 loved it,

00:28:01.100 paid me a down fee,

00:28:02.900 etc.

00:28:03.560 It was accepted,

00:28:04.880 it went to their editor,

00:28:06.260 the editor read it

00:28:07.200 and said,

00:28:07.520 I'm not publishing this

00:28:08.520 unless you take

00:28:10.900 this quotation out.

00:28:12.520 And I said,

00:28:12.900 well,

00:28:13.220 this was done

00:28:14.260 by email.

00:28:15.420 He said,

00:28:15.760 that quotation.

00:28:16.840 I said,

00:28:17.220 but that's from

00:28:17.740 Joseph Youngman.

00:28:18.620 He said that the whole

00:28:19.300 lies become the Mass.

00:28:20.360 He said,

00:28:20.600 I'm not publishing that.

00:28:22.760 And so it was an

00:28:23.400 impasse because

00:28:24.000 even if I decided

00:28:25.460 to take that quotation

00:28:26.500 out,

00:28:27.240 the whole of my book

00:28:28.160 was about that.

00:28:29.120 The whole of my life

00:28:29.960 is about that.

00:28:31.040 The whole of our life

00:28:31.940 is about that.

00:28:33.240 And so I withdrew it.

00:28:34.620 I withdrew the book

00:28:35.540 and I didn't actually

00:28:36.720 want to be associated

00:28:37.720 with them anyway.

00:28:39.180 And I thought,

00:28:39.900 how sad.

00:28:40.460 And I'm telling you this

00:28:42.080 story because so many

00:28:47.780 of us have forgotten

00:28:49.600 the real depth

00:28:51.580 and the real meaning

00:28:52.940 of our Catholic faith

00:28:54.960 at depth.

00:28:55.860 We've forgotten

00:28:56.420 what it means

00:28:57.360 that we are here

00:28:58.580 to share with our

00:28:59.520 Lord Jesus Christ

00:29:00.540 in such a way

00:29:01.440 that our lives

00:29:02.480 become the Mass.

00:29:04.620 Now,

00:29:05.360 this is what was

00:29:06.380 called

00:29:07.000 originally

00:29:09.100 the Tridentine

00:29:10.160 spirituality

00:29:10.820 after the Council

00:29:12.100 of Trent.

00:29:12.780 You had one pillar,

00:29:14.500 the Tridentine Mass

00:29:15.680 in which Christ's

00:29:16.800 offering was there.

00:29:18.220 Two,

00:29:18.780 you had the offering

00:29:19.840 that we made

00:29:20.800 every day

00:29:21.440 through our Christian

00:29:22.320 shamer

00:29:22.820 as we tried

00:29:23.820 to transform

00:29:24.720 our whole day

00:29:26.020 in,

00:29:28.440 with,

00:29:28.980 and through Christ.

00:29:30.280 And as we did this,

00:29:31.640 the spiritual life

00:29:32.660 grows.

00:29:33.240 And as we receive

00:29:34.480 more and more grace

00:29:35.640 from our offering

00:29:36.500 each Sunday,

00:29:37.560 gradually a spiritual

00:29:38.620 dynamic takes place

00:29:40.140 that you writes us

00:29:41.700 ever more closely

00:29:42.800 with Christ

00:29:43.540 so that our loving,

00:29:45.320 our offering,

00:29:46.000 our giving mixes,

00:29:47.460 mingles,

00:29:48.120 merges with Christ

00:29:49.440 and in,

00:29:50.560 with,

00:29:50.740 and through him

00:29:51.520 is offered to the Father

00:29:53.480 where we receive his love.

00:29:56.820 And in receiving his love,

00:29:58.900 we contemplate the glory

00:30:01.380 of his love.

00:30:03.240 Now this is true

00:30:04.580 contemplation.

00:30:06.100 Now we're all called

00:30:07.440 to this contemplation.

00:30:09.060 Every single one of us,

00:30:11.200 our friend Gary Gaule

00:30:12.340 Lagrange up there,

00:30:13.880 perhaps the greatest

00:30:14.880 spiritual theologian

00:30:16.320 of modern times,

00:30:18.580 insisted that we're all

00:30:20.200 called to contemplation.

00:30:22.480 And you know who the very

00:30:23.560 first great contemplative

00:30:25.060 was?

00:30:25.780 The very first great

00:30:26.920 contemplative Christian

00:30:28.060 was?

00:30:28.820 Don't answer,

00:30:29.580 I'm not trying to put you

00:30:30.880 on the spot.

00:30:31.700 It was our blessed lady

00:30:33.740 on the first Pentecost day.

00:30:36.220 Because on the first

00:30:37.260 Pentecost day,

00:30:38.440 when the other

00:30:39.240 apostles received

00:30:41.160 the Holy Spirit

00:30:42.380 with her,

00:30:45.040 they still had a long

00:30:46.300 way to go.

00:30:47.180 They were on the way,

00:30:48.360 they were on the way,

00:30:49.740 but they still had a long

00:30:50.660 way to go.

00:30:51.500 Remember,

00:30:51.960 it took St. Paul

00:30:52.720 daily 10 years

00:30:53.880 of solitude,

00:30:54.840 preparing first

00:30:55.640 in the Arabian Desert

00:30:56.680 and then in Cilicia

00:30:58.100 as in what

00:31:00.840 the great historian

00:31:02.660 Monsignor Philip Hughes

00:31:05.300 talks about his

00:31:06.360 novitiate.

00:31:07.320 It takes time.

00:31:08.980 There is no such thing

00:31:10.280 as instant sanctity.

00:31:12.020 I believe in everything

00:31:12.760 from instant coffee

00:31:13.700 to instant resurrection.

00:31:15.340 Instant sanctity,

00:31:17.040 no,

00:31:17.320 it is a slow process.

00:31:19.180 But for Our Lady,

00:31:20.840 the moment the Holy Spirit

00:31:22.360 was sent,

00:31:23.000 and here we see

00:31:24.180 where we're going,

00:31:25.360 the moment she received

00:31:26.660 the Holy Spirit,

00:31:28.260 because of her

00:31:29.300 immaculate conception,

00:31:31.000 there was no,

00:31:32.040 nothing,

00:31:32.780 no barrier to the

00:31:33.820 Holy Spirit.

00:31:34.720 She was instantly

00:31:35.940 transformed

00:31:36.760 by the Holy Spirit,

00:31:38.680 taken up when she

00:31:39.960 prayed

00:31:40.380 into Christ's

00:31:42.160 contemplation

00:31:42.940 of his Father.

00:31:45.120 That's where

00:31:45.860 we're going.

00:31:47.620 This is how she

00:31:48.380 shows us

00:31:48.980 by her example

00:31:49.740 where we're going.

00:31:50.960 She is the first 0.84

00:31:51.780 great Christian

00:31:53.000 contemplative.

00:31:54.440 That's where

00:31:55.000 we are going.

00:31:56.300 Now,

00:31:57.040 says St. Thomas Aquinas,

00:31:59.580 let's bring him

00:32:00.340 in here

00:32:00.840 while the Dominicans 0.99

00:32:02.340 get a bit,

00:32:02.980 you know.

00:32:05.460 When we are

00:32:06.520 taken up

00:32:07.280 into Christ,

00:32:08.800 we are taken up

00:32:09.940 into his

00:32:10.600 contemplation

00:32:11.940 of the Father

00:32:13.560 and of the

00:32:14.100 Father's love.

00:32:15.680 And there

00:32:16.460 we receive

00:32:17.220 the fruits

00:32:18.020 of contemplation,

00:32:20.000 the infused

00:32:20.880 virtues,

00:32:21.520 the gifts

00:32:22.780 and the fruits

00:32:24.420 of the

00:32:25.220 Holy Spirit

00:32:25.920 so that

00:32:28.540 then

00:32:29.120 we come

00:32:30.020 from our

00:32:30.540 contemplation

00:32:31.360 to share

00:32:31.940 the fruits

00:32:32.760 of contemplation

00:32:34.200 with others.

00:32:35.320 Now,

00:32:35.500 St. Thomas Aquinas

00:32:36.540 used those

00:32:37.500 very famous

00:32:38.820 words that are

00:32:39.880 known

00:32:40.600 not just to Dominicans,

00:32:42.500 but throughout the church.

00:32:43.980 He was summing up

00:32:45.260 not just the calling

00:32:46.780 of the Dominicans

00:32:47.440 and Franciscans

00:32:48.360 and the other

00:32:50.040 religious orders

00:32:50.780 of his day.

00:32:51.720 He was summing up

00:32:52.740 the vocation

00:32:53.580 of the church,

00:32:54.360 our vocation.

00:32:55.520 When he said this,

00:33:00.620 he said,

00:33:01.440 contemplata

00:33:02.700 our vocation

00:33:05.840 is to learn

00:33:06.640 how to contemplate

00:33:07.940 and then to share

00:33:09.160 the fruits

00:33:09.760 of contemplation

00:33:10.820 with others.

00:33:11.880 We only receive

00:33:12.760 those fruits

00:33:13.500 as we are taken

00:33:14.920 up into Christ,

00:33:16.720 into his contemplation

00:33:18.300 of his Father.

00:33:19.920 And there we receive

00:33:21.020 the fruits

00:33:21.660 of contemplation.

00:33:23.380 This is why

00:33:24.160 as the spiritual

00:33:25.300 journey unfolds

00:33:26.800 and before

00:33:27.620 the full union

00:33:29.060 of ourselves

00:33:29.840 with Christ

00:33:30.940 that I'm talking

00:33:31.740 about,

00:33:32.480 as our

00:33:33.180 spirituality

00:33:34.820 develops,

00:33:36.900 a purification

00:33:37.660 has to take place.

00:33:39.740 Unlike things

00:33:40.780 cannot be united

00:33:42.080 together.

00:33:43.780 Look,

00:33:44.800 that is the love

00:33:46.140 of God.

00:33:47.020 This is us.

00:33:47.800 This is where

00:33:48.280 we begin,

00:33:48.920 all locked up

00:33:49.580 in ourselves.

00:33:50.920 We want to be

00:33:52.060 united with God,

00:33:54.060 but this can only

00:33:55.180 happen if

00:33:56.520 there is a

00:33:57.620 purification

00:33:58.280 that opens

00:33:59.280 us to be

00:33:59.840 united with

00:34:00.680 him.

00:34:01.380 And this

00:34:01.820 happens with

00:34:03.060 our,

00:34:03.660 and it all

00:34:04.300 starts with

00:34:05.020 our morning

00:34:06.080 offering,

00:34:07.580 as we try

00:34:08.460 to transpose

00:34:09.240 that into

00:34:10.480 the day.

00:34:11.600 Now,

00:34:12.260 let me tell

00:34:13.080 you one more

00:34:14.020 little story

00:34:14.900 to make

00:34:17.940 my point.

00:34:18.980 My father,

00:34:20.500 he came

00:34:21.680 from converts.

00:34:23.080 His parents

00:34:23.640 were converts.

00:34:25.060 So,

00:34:25.760 he really

00:34:26.400 didn't say

00:34:27.320 much about

00:34:28.140 the spiritual

00:34:28.920 life to

00:34:29.540 me,

00:34:30.560 left it

00:34:30.980 more to

00:34:31.440 my mum.

00:34:35.020 But,

00:34:35.740 I knew he

00:34:36.340 read about

00:34:36.840 the fathers

00:34:37.260 of the church.

00:34:38.000 He was a

00:34:38.300 great reader.

00:34:39.340 I know he

00:34:39.980 read about

00:34:40.700 the desert

00:34:41.160 fathers.

00:34:43.000 And when

00:34:43.740 he died,

00:34:45.440 we found

00:34:46.240 in the back

00:34:46.900 of his

00:34:47.260 missal a

00:34:48.880 quotation

00:34:49.420 from John

00:34:50.300 Cassian.

00:34:50.920 And the

00:34:53.420 quotation

00:34:53.940 was from

00:34:54.660 Abbot

00:34:55.080 Isaac,

00:34:55.560 who was

00:34:56.060 teaching

00:34:56.620 his monks

00:34:57.500 how to

00:34:57.940 pray.

00:35:00.880 And he

00:35:01.600 taught them

00:35:02.160 how to

00:35:02.560 take a

00:35:03.180 short

00:35:03.580 prayer,

00:35:04.480 what we

00:35:05.020 will call

00:35:05.540 now a

00:35:06.480 prayer of

00:35:06.960 the heart,

00:35:07.780 because it

00:35:08.280 does come

00:35:08.860 from our

00:35:09.300 hearts,

00:35:10.660 and to

00:35:11.420 use it

00:35:12.260 throughout

00:35:12.600 the day,

00:35:13.820 to turn

00:35:14.500 to moments

00:35:16.500 of need

00:35:17.080 throughout the

00:35:17.640 day.

00:35:17.800 if you

00:35:18.480 like,

00:35:19.300 to keep

00:35:19.960 our

00:35:20.360 morning

00:35:20.700 offering

00:35:21.260 on course.

00:35:23.140 Now,

00:35:23.520 my father

00:35:24.060 wrote down

00:35:24.800 the prayer

00:35:26.040 that he

00:35:26.440 used.

00:35:28.520 And as

00:35:29.520 soon as I

00:35:30.040 tell you the

00:35:30.580 prayer,

00:35:30.900 you'll know

00:35:31.380 that it is

00:35:31.900 the prayer

00:35:32.280 with which

00:35:32.740 Saint Benedict

00:35:33.340 chose to

00:35:34.000 open the

00:35:34.500 divine office

00:35:35.280 at every

00:35:36.040 hour of

00:35:36.380 the day.

00:35:37.560 O God,

00:35:38.920 come to

00:35:39.760 my aid.

00:35:41.180 O Lord,

00:35:42.920 make haste

00:35:43.760 to help

00:35:44.260 me.

00:35:45.300 This was

00:35:45.800 his prayer

00:35:46.380 of choice

00:35:46.960 that he

00:35:47.360 used

00:35:47.700 throughout

00:35:48.040 the day.

00:35:52.140 When

00:35:52.700 our Lord

00:35:53.400 went to

00:35:54.920 pray in

00:35:55.800 the synagogue,

00:35:56.680 I mentioned

00:35:57.200 they prayed

00:35:58.020 at the

00:35:58.820 9th,

00:36:01.740 9 o'clock,

00:36:03.680 midday,

00:36:04.600 3 in the

00:36:05.040 afternoon.

00:36:05.800 Why?

00:36:06.400 Because that's

00:36:07.260 when the

00:36:07.580 priests made

00:36:08.180 their offering

00:36:08.720 in the

00:36:09.000 temple.

00:36:10.940 They wanted

00:36:11.780 to identify

00:36:12.500 it.

00:36:13.740 Now,

00:36:14.020 they continue

00:36:14.700 to do

00:36:15.220 that after

00:36:16.060 the resurrection.

00:36:16.880 but not

00:36:18.260 to identify

00:36:19.020 themselves

00:36:19.540 with the

00:36:20.080 old temple,

00:36:20.820 but to

00:36:21.480 identify

00:36:22.080 themselves

00:36:22.700 with the

00:36:23.620 new temple,

00:36:24.520 which was

00:36:24.860 Christ.

00:36:26.220 And so,

00:36:27.080 at 9 o'clock,

00:36:28.300 even if they

00:36:28.880 couldn't go to

00:36:29.640 the synagogue,

00:36:31.140 they now

00:36:31.900 reminded

00:36:32.440 themselves of

00:36:33.320 the new

00:36:33.820 temple as

00:36:34.620 it was being

00:36:35.300 built,

00:36:35.900 namely,

00:36:36.440 as at 9 o'clock

00:36:37.540 in the morning,

00:36:38.760 Christ was being

00:36:39.660 condemned to

00:36:40.500 death.

00:36:41.240 This is quite

00:36:41.900 clear in the

00:36:42.580 writings of the

00:36:43.300 early fathers.

00:36:44.060 The first

00:36:45.020 Christians were 0.97

00:36:45.620 told at

00:36:46.140 9 o'clock,

00:36:47.040 just pause

00:36:47.760 for a moment

00:36:48.560 to remember

00:36:49.880 Christ as 0.88

00:36:52.600 he was being

00:36:53.160 condemned to

00:36:53.980 death, as

00:36:54.540 he was

00:36:54.800 receiving this

00:36:57.080 scourge, the

00:36:58.100 crowning of

00:36:58.740 thorns.

00:36:59.820 At 12 o'clock,

00:37:00.820 remember, just

00:37:02.080 remember, pause

00:37:03.040 for a moment

00:37:03.760 now, and

00:37:05.340 remember Christ

00:37:06.100 being nailed

00:37:06.660 to the cross

00:37:07.460 at 3 in the

00:37:08.780 afternoon.

00:37:09.840 Remember his

00:37:11.220 death upon

00:37:12.320 the cross.

00:37:13.000 Now, I

00:37:14.540 mention this

00:37:15.360 because I

00:37:16.780 said to my

00:37:17.520 father once

00:37:18.360 as a little

00:37:18.940 boy, Dad,

00:37:20.320 what are those

00:37:21.220 little marks

00:37:22.000 on your

00:37:22.420 watch for?

00:37:24.200 There was a

00:37:24.980 little sticker

00:37:25.680 pointing to

00:37:26.820 9 o'clock in

00:37:27.540 the morning,

00:37:28.800 another to

00:37:29.500 midday,

00:37:31.580 and another

00:37:32.180 to 3 in the

00:37:33.100 afternoon.

00:37:34.640 He said,

00:37:35.080 oh, it's to

00:37:35.760 remind me to

00:37:36.440 do something,

00:37:37.760 and that's what

00:37:38.500 it was reminding

00:37:39.300 him to do.

00:37:40.040 So, what I'm

00:37:42.020 trying to say

00:37:42.800 is that the

00:37:45.060 morning offering,

00:37:46.300 therefore, can

00:37:47.020 be kept on

00:37:47.820 course, and we

00:37:49.160 can be continually

00:37:50.140 aware of what we

00:37:51.300 are doing by

00:37:53.320 throughout the

00:37:54.040 day just

00:37:54.640 pausing at key

00:37:56.680 moments throughout

00:37:57.800 the day, as the

00:37:59.000 early Christians

00:37:59.820 did, to remember

00:38:01.420 Christ's passion,

00:38:03.280 his dying on the

00:38:04.320 cross, to keep

00:38:05.660 our morning

00:38:06.300 offering on

00:38:07.440 course, and to

00:38:09.080 use a little

00:38:10.060 prayer, not

00:38:11.160 necessarily, oh

00:38:12.520 God, come to

00:38:13.820 our aid, it

00:38:14.860 may be just, it

00:38:16.140 may be the

00:38:16.660 Jesus prayer, or

00:38:18.960 the Jesus

00:38:19.780 prayer in its

00:38:20.820 simplest form, as

00:38:22.100 first devised by

00:38:23.500 Abbot Macarius,

00:38:25.580 which was simply

00:38:26.500 to say, Jesus,

00:38:29.220 Jesus, Jesus,

00:38:30.640 or whatever.

00:38:32.640 My mum used

00:38:33.560 to like to

00:38:34.180 say, Jesus,

00:38:35.440 mercy, Mary,

00:38:36.200 help, whatever,

00:38:37.340 but we need

00:38:38.420 these little

00:38:38.880 prayers of the

00:38:39.700 heart, therefore,

00:38:40.660 to keep us on

00:38:41.620 track, to keep

00:38:42.420 us offering the

00:38:43.280 day, so that

00:38:44.220 that day becomes

00:38:45.520 the mass, the

00:38:46.980 place where we

00:38:48.380 are continually

00:38:49.200 offering ourselves

00:38:50.600 with and in

00:38:51.400 through Christ

00:38:52.200 to the Father.

00:38:53.380 Now, this was

00:38:55.060 the heritage

00:38:56.700 that I

00:38:57.560 learnt

00:38:58.840 from my

00:39:00.860 mum and

00:39:01.500 from her

00:39:02.920 recusant

00:39:04.240 ancestors.

00:39:06.600 Now, for

00:39:07.560 nearly 100

00:39:08.640 years after

00:39:10.940 the

00:39:14.780 Protestant, the

00:39:16.120 Council of Trent,

00:39:17.440 you had the

00:39:18.240 Tridentine Mass

00:39:19.180 orbiting around it,

00:39:20.720 you had this

00:39:22.220 profound,

00:39:25.080 mystical,

00:39:26.320 I say mystical,

00:39:28.100 and I use the

00:39:28.680 word mystical a

00:39:29.520 lot.

00:39:30.220 Perhaps I

00:39:30.560 better just

00:39:31.000 explain it as

00:39:31.920 an aside.

00:39:34.280 When St.

00:39:35.240 Paul told us

00:39:36.480 about the

00:39:36.920 great plan of

00:39:38.000 God to

00:39:39.580 share his

00:39:40.060 life with

00:39:41.040 us, to

00:39:41.880 draw us

00:39:42.380 through Christ

00:39:43.140 upwards and

00:39:43.880 into his

00:39:44.600 life, to

00:39:46.340 share in

00:39:47.620 the three in

00:39:48.420 one and

00:39:49.100 two eternity

00:39:50.200 in the glory

00:39:52.360 of their love,

00:39:53.740 that is why

00:39:54.760 he created

00:39:55.560 us.

00:39:56.680 St.

00:39:57.020 Paul used a

00:39:57.780 word to

00:39:58.240 describe it,

00:39:59.120 and you know

00:39:59.540 the word was a

00:40:00.560 Greek word, it

00:40:01.740 was the word

00:40:02.640 mysterion, and

00:40:05.380 it means hidden,

00:40:06.580 secret, unseen.

00:40:08.400 So anybody who

00:40:09.800 is dressed on

00:40:10.920 their way, and

00:40:12.700 remember early

00:40:13.920 Christianity was 0.99

00:40:14.920 called the way,

00:40:16.640 and Christ was

00:40:17.780 the way, he

00:40:20.520 was the way,

00:40:22.260 the mystical

00:40:23.180 way, because the

00:40:24.820 word mystic comes

00:40:25.980 from the Greek

00:40:27.000 word mysterion, and

00:40:28.440 it just means

00:40:29.100 hidden, unseen.

00:40:30.200 That's all,

00:40:30.960 please, nothing

00:40:31.920 esoteric.

00:40:33.180 It just means

00:40:33.760 hidden or unseen,

00:40:34.900 because nobody

00:40:36.180 can see what is

00:40:37.300 happening.

00:40:38.320 God can, nobody

00:40:39.560 else can.

00:40:40.680 So we enter

00:40:41.780 into the mystic

00:40:42.700 way, which 0.77

00:40:43.920 means entering

00:40:45.180 into the mystical

00:40:46.140 body of Christ,

00:40:47.500 and there to

00:40:48.220 enter into his

00:40:49.180 mystical action,

00:40:50.980 into his mystical

00:40:52.140 loving of the

00:40:53.520 Father.

00:40:54.020 father.

00:40:55.300 This is the

00:40:56.400 spirituality that

00:40:57.480 begins then with

00:40:59.040 a very simple

00:41:00.400 morning offering,

00:41:03.820 enabling it to

00:41:04.720 completely transform

00:41:06.040 our day, and

00:41:07.900 gradually, with

00:41:09.180 what we receive

00:41:09.980 every time we go

00:41:10.840 to Mass, the

00:41:11.500 graces we receive,

00:41:12.900 to draw us ever

00:41:13.740 more fully, ever

00:41:14.520 more closely to

00:41:15.400 Christ, into

00:41:16.300 him, into his

00:41:18.520 redeeming action,

00:41:20.560 into his

00:41:21.700 redeeming action,

00:41:23.340 to share in

00:41:24.340 it.

00:41:25.400 That's what we're

00:41:26.200 called to do.

00:41:29.240 Into his

00:41:30.300 contemplation of

00:41:31.760 the Father, there

00:41:33.120 to receive the

00:41:34.240 fruits of

00:41:35.320 contemplation.

00:41:37.520 Now, when you

00:41:40.160 hear good news,

00:41:42.280 there's often bad

00:41:43.260 news, and I

00:41:44.240 have some bad

00:41:44.940 news now.

00:41:46.580 For a hundred

00:41:47.620 years after the

00:41:48.660 council of Trent,

00:41:50.560 the Tridentine

00:41:51.640 Mass was

00:41:52.280 supreme with

00:41:53.000 the Tridentine

00:41:53.660 spirituality.

00:41:55.440 Everything was

00:41:56.400 going wonderfully.

00:42:01.200 Great

00:42:01.760 Catholic

00:42:03.400 spiritual

00:42:04.480 writers see

00:42:06.320 this period,

00:42:07.580 this hundred

00:42:08.100 years after the

00:42:09.660 council of Trent,

00:42:11.680 as being

00:42:12.440 the most

00:42:15.480 profound, the

00:42:16.820 most mystical

00:42:17.680 people, since

00:42:19.660 the early

00:42:20.300 days of the

00:42:20.980 church.

00:42:23.140 Now, I

00:42:24.820 want to press

00:42:25.620 this point

00:42:26.260 home by

00:42:27.040 quoting none

00:42:28.960 other than

00:42:30.100 Monsignor

00:42:31.620 Ronald Knox

00:42:33.120 in his book

00:42:35.000 Enthusiasm.

00:42:38.200 This is what

00:42:39.660 he has to

00:42:40.240 say.

00:42:41.320 We're talking

00:42:42.080 now about the

00:42:43.000 1600s, the

00:42:44.660 17th century.

00:42:45.720 Let me read

00:42:46.700 from him.

00:42:48.260 He writes

00:42:49.060 in chapter

00:42:50.400 11, page

00:42:51.600 232, the

00:42:54.720 17th century

00:42:56.400 was a

00:42:56.960 century of

00:42:57.740 mystics.

00:42:59.580 The doctrine

00:43:00.340 of the

00:43:00.700 interior life

00:43:01.760 was far

00:43:03.260 better

00:43:03.660 publicized,

00:43:04.760 developed in

00:43:05.460 far greater

00:43:06.080 detail than

00:43:07.320 it had ever

00:43:07.860 been in late

00:43:08.520 medieval

00:43:08.960 Germany, or

00:43:10.100 for that

00:43:10.520 matter, late

00:43:11.780 medieval

00:43:12.260 England.

00:43:13.740 Bremont, in

00:43:14.600 his history

00:43:15.220 of the

00:43:16.400 religious life

00:43:17.940 in France, has

00:43:18.920 traced unforgettably

00:43:20.600 the progress of

00:43:22.220 that movement in

00:43:23.200 France.

00:43:24.300 But Spain, too,

00:43:25.300 the country of

00:43:25.980 Saint Teresa and

00:43:27.440 Saint John of the

00:43:28.240 Cross, had her

00:43:28.980 mystics.

00:43:30.500 Italy also had

00:43:31.760 her mystics, who

00:43:33.220 flourished under the

00:43:34.860 aegis of the

00:43:35.680 Vatican.

00:43:36.040 Even the

00:43:37.880 exiled church in

00:43:38.840 England, produced

00:43:40.160 in Father Baker's

00:43:41.200 Sancta Sophia, a

00:43:42.620 classic of the

00:43:43.340 interior life.

00:43:45.760 Now, added to

00:43:46.560 Monsignor Ronald

00:43:47.460 Knox, listen to

00:43:48.580 these other

00:43:49.600 names.

00:43:50.440 Anchory, in his

00:43:51.320 great work on the

00:43:52.260 spiritual life, agrees

00:43:54.100 with him.

00:43:55.000 Louis Conier, the

00:43:55.980 great French

00:43:56.680 expert on

00:43:57.860 17th century

00:43:58.860 European

00:43:59.380 spirituality.

00:44:01.640 Monsignor

00:44:02.320 Philip Hughes,

00:44:03.940 the

00:44:06.040 Hoorah, in his

00:44:07.080 spirituality of

00:44:08.920 Catholic spiritual

00:44:10.640 teaching.

00:44:13.000 I could go on

00:44:14.280 and on and

00:44:15.180 on.

00:44:15.760 This was a high

00:44:16.820 point, perhaps

00:44:18.600 the highest point

00:44:19.620 in Christian

00:44:20.280 mystical

00:44:20.820 spirituality.

00:44:22.120 Now, I'm

00:44:22.720 hoping viewers

00:44:24.060 listening will

00:44:25.740 not be frightened

00:44:26.560 anymore by the

00:44:27.420 word mystical.

00:44:28.680 It just means the

00:44:29.560 way into the

00:44:30.340 mysterium, into

00:44:31.820 God's mystical

00:44:32.940 plan for us in

00:44:34.800 the mystic way

00:44:35.920 which is in

00:44:36.860 and through the

00:44:37.440 mystical body

00:44:38.280 and the

00:44:38.780 mystical action

00:44:39.500 of Jesus.

00:44:40.320 We're not

00:44:40.700 talking of

00:44:41.180 strange, esoteric

00:44:42.560 experiences.

00:44:45.120 This is the

00:44:45.980 way for all of

00:44:46.880 us.

00:44:47.680 Gary Goulagrange,

00:44:48.940 that's another

00:44:49.500 big name.

00:44:50.420 He insists that

00:44:51.520 this is for all

00:44:52.340 of us.

00:44:53.020 But I'm afraid,

00:44:54.980 John Henry,

00:44:55.640 something terrible

00:44:56.480 happened.

00:44:57.900 And I hope

00:44:59.240 we've got time

00:44:59.980 for me just to

00:45:00.900 touch on this

00:45:01.980 because it

00:45:02.740 explains where

00:45:03.460 we are now

00:45:04.180 and nobody

00:45:05.200 really knows.

00:45:07.400 They put the

00:45:07.940 blame, is it

00:45:08.520 the Vatican

00:45:08.880 Council, before

00:45:09.640 or after the

00:45:10.060 Vatican Council,

00:45:11.120 but it goes

00:45:12.280 back here, I'm

00:45:13.240 afraid, to where

00:45:13.980 I'm coming now

00:45:14.820 because at this

00:45:16.500 particular point in

00:45:17.640 the church's

00:45:18.360 history, the

00:45:19.820 Barcapeta was

00:45:20.780 set now, the

00:45:21.640 wind was in its

00:45:22.340 sail, the

00:45:23.100 Protestant

00:45:23.540 Reformation was 0.89

00:45:24.640 behind, it was

00:45:25.820 a new age of

00:45:27.040 mysticism.

00:45:28.400 No, I never

00:45:29.580 use the word

00:45:30.280 mysticism.

00:45:31.940 That's phony.

00:45:33.000 It's a word that

00:45:33.740 is used for

00:45:34.420 people who are

00:45:35.100 looking for

00:45:36.100 esoteric experiences

00:45:37.580 for themselves.

00:45:39.300 That's not

00:45:39.700 mystical theology.

00:45:41.000 Mystical theology

00:45:41.780 is learning how

00:45:43.360 the selfless,

00:45:44.600 other-considering

00:45:45.500 love for God,

00:45:47.520 the self-same

00:45:49.180 love with which

00:45:50.820 he loves us,

00:45:52.120 that has to be

00:45:53.120 learned.

00:45:53.420 that is taught

00:45:56.800 in true

00:45:57.480 mystical

00:45:58.340 theology.

00:46:01.080 Here, another

00:46:02.320 quick distinction

00:46:03.100 I want to throw

00:46:04.220 in before I go

00:46:05.220 further.

00:46:07.160 Theology is

00:46:08.960 the study of

00:46:10.460 God and his

00:46:11.340 relationship with

00:46:12.340 his creation.

00:46:13.840 It involves the

00:46:15.040 mind.

00:46:16.320 We learn it at

00:46:17.100 school, we learn

00:46:17.800 it at high

00:46:18.320 school, at

00:46:18.740 college,

00:46:19.420 university.

00:46:20.340 You become

00:46:20.800 professors, you

00:46:21.740 get your

00:46:22.380 doctorates,

00:46:23.040 degrees, it's

00:46:24.320 of the mind.

00:46:26.720 Mystical theology

00:46:28.340 is of the

00:46:29.260 heart.

00:46:30.720 It's of the

00:46:31.380 heart.

00:46:32.720 It is teaching

00:46:34.280 people how

00:46:35.940 to learn the

00:46:37.640 selfless,

00:46:38.480 unconditional

00:46:39.240 loving with

00:46:40.320 which God

00:46:41.040 loves us,

00:46:42.020 because only

00:46:43.040 when we learn

00:46:44.340 that form of

00:46:45.420 loving can

00:46:46.820 we be united

00:46:48.560 with God

00:46:49.640 himself.

00:46:50.320 to begin

00:46:52.820 with, we're

00:46:53.300 cupboard

00:46:53.640 lovers, but

00:46:55.080 as the

00:46:55.640 journey

00:46:55.980 unfolds, we

00:46:57.800 have to be

00:46:58.420 learned to be

00:46:59.260 selfless, learn

00:47:01.460 the selfless,

00:47:02.360 unconditional

00:47:02.960 loving with

00:47:03.620 which God

00:47:04.140 loves us.

00:47:05.180 But let me

00:47:06.260 now continue.

00:47:06.960 something terrible

00:47:10.860 happened.

00:47:11.360 The bark of

00:47:12.340 Peter was in

00:47:12.960 full sail, the

00:47:14.080 Protestant

00:47:14.500 Reformation was 0.89

00:47:15.460 behind, and it

00:47:16.440 was going forth

00:47:17.340 into a glorious

00:47:18.180 future when it

00:47:19.440 hit a rock.

00:47:21.580 It was

00:47:22.460 demasted, stuck

00:47:24.080 in the mud, and

00:47:25.540 could go no

00:47:26.380 further.

00:47:27.260 It hit a

00:47:28.260 heresy, a

00:47:29.740 wicked, 0.91

00:47:30.840 heinous, 1.00

00:47:31.720 pernicious

00:47:32.260 heresy, all the

00:47:33.960 more heinous and

00:47:34.760 pernicious, because

00:47:35.840 I bet you nine

00:47:36.780 out of ten

00:47:37.360 theologians don't

00:47:38.960 even know about

00:47:40.040 it today, never

00:47:40.760 mind ordinary

00:47:41.660 Catholics, and

00:47:42.680 yet it is

00:47:43.520 responsible for

00:47:44.960 what we are

00:47:45.740 going through

00:47:46.320 now in the

00:47:47.200 church, and

00:47:48.040 that's why I

00:47:49.220 want to explain

00:47:50.160 it briefly.

00:47:51.580 It was a

00:47:53.000 pseudo-mysticism

00:47:54.400 called

00:47:55.180 quietism.

00:47:56.320 It was

00:48:02.540 condemned by

00:48:03.400 the church

00:48:04.020 in the year

00:48:04.620 1687.

00:48:07.340 Its

00:48:07.540 propagator was

00:48:08.460 a Spanish

00:48:09.180 secular priest

00:48:10.740 in Rome

00:48:11.240 called

00:48:11.540 Molyneux,

00:48:12.580 and what

00:48:14.940 he wanted

00:48:15.500 to do,

00:48:16.720 he wanted

00:48:17.320 to attain

00:48:18.460 for himself

00:48:20.120 and for

00:48:22.100 his followers

00:48:22.700 what

00:48:24.820 Saint

00:48:25.320 Teresa

00:48:26.520 of Avila

00:48:27.460 called in

00:48:28.300 her master

00:48:28.960 work

00:48:29.380 interior

00:48:30.040 castle,

00:48:31.420 the

00:48:31.560 prayer

00:48:32.080 of

00:48:32.740 quiet.

00:48:34.820 He

00:48:35.460 wanted to

00:48:35.920 attain it,

00:48:36.760 but he

00:48:37.780 wanted to

00:48:38.520 bypass the

00:48:39.460 purification

00:48:40.360 described by

00:48:41.720 Saint John

00:48:42.220 of the

00:48:42.460 Cross in

00:48:42.860 the dark

00:48:43.320 night of

00:48:43.720 the soul.

00:48:44.500 Wouldn't

00:48:44.740 we all?

00:48:46.560 Wouldn't

00:48:46.880 we all?

00:48:47.960 But we

00:48:48.340 can't.

00:48:49.100 He thought

00:48:49.560 he could,

00:48:50.860 and so he

00:48:51.360 developed this

00:48:52.240 phony

00:48:52.800 mysticism.

00:48:55.040 And what

00:48:55.800 he told

00:48:56.400 everybody to

00:48:57.480 do was

00:48:58.460 nothing,

00:48:59.340 nothing,

00:48:59.880 nothing.

00:49:00.580 You can't

00:49:00.960 attain it,

00:49:01.460 only God

00:49:01.840 can give it,

00:49:02.420 you can do

00:49:02.820 nothing,

00:49:03.280 nothing,

00:49:03.600 nothing.

00:49:04.080 So what

00:49:04.480 do you

00:49:04.640 do when

00:49:04.960 you go

00:49:05.180 to prayer?

00:49:05.700 You sit

00:49:06.060 there like

00:49:06.620 a sweet

00:49:07.400 pudding

00:49:07.780 waiting to

00:49:08.720 be soaked

00:49:09.400 in syrup.

00:49:10.760 Nothing.

00:49:11.920 And if

00:49:12.440 you have

00:49:12.720 temptations

00:49:13.340 or distractions

00:49:14.100 they come,

00:49:14.740 what do you

00:49:15.060 do?

00:49:15.420 Nothing.

00:49:16.280 Only God

00:49:16.720 can take

00:49:17.100 them away,

00:49:17.540 so what

00:49:17.800 do you

00:49:17.980 do?

00:49:18.420 Nothing.

00:49:19.280 And what

00:49:19.560 did they

00:49:19.880 do?

00:49:20.360 They let

00:49:20.880 them

00:49:21.240 entertain.

00:49:22.240 be

00:49:22.840 entertained

00:49:23.500 by these

00:49:24.420 temptations,

00:49:25.460 most particularly

00:49:26.400 by the sexual

00:49:27.540 temptations.

00:49:29.000 So when he

00:49:29.600 was condemned,

00:49:30.400 he and his

00:49:31.080 followers were

00:49:31.840 condemned of

00:49:32.800 many, many

00:49:33.380 cases of

00:49:34.480 gross

00:49:35.040 indecency.

00:49:36.520 If you want

00:49:36.980 to read about

00:49:37.580 quietism,

00:49:38.300 perhaps the

00:49:38.660 expert is

00:49:39.320 Ronald Knox

00:49:40.260 in his book

00:49:40.820 Enthusiasm.

00:49:42.140 He deals with

00:49:42.700 the trial and

00:49:43.380 what happened.

00:49:44.240 Now, put

00:49:45.240 yourself in

00:49:45.920 the position

00:49:46.400 of the

00:49:46.760 church now.

00:49:48.360 This,

00:49:49.260 they were

00:49:49.520 sliding back

00:49:50.140 into

00:49:50.360 Protestantism.

00:49:52.240 It was

00:49:52.980 going

00:49:53.200 underground.

00:49:54.180 It was

00:49:54.320 growing

00:49:55.160 underground.

00:49:56.220 And in

00:49:56.580 those days,

00:49:57.160 you see,

00:49:57.480 they hadn't

00:49:57.860 got the

00:49:58.180 media as

00:49:58.680 we've

00:49:58.900 got the

00:49:59.220 media.

00:50:00.100 It could

00:50:00.560 take

00:50:01.040 decades,

00:50:03.500 even hundreds

00:50:04.140 of years

00:50:04.680 to squash.

00:50:05.980 People keep

00:50:06.560 citing

00:50:07.000 today,

00:50:08.800 for instance,

00:50:11.420 Aryanism, 0.99

00:50:12.040 do they not?

00:50:12.620 Yes,

00:50:14.860 it was one

00:50:15.500 of the

00:50:15.720 greatest.

00:50:16.940 But at

00:50:17.380 least it

00:50:18.040 was out

00:50:18.680 in the

00:50:19.120 open.

00:50:19.580 Everybody

00:50:19.860 knew when

00:50:20.580 what did

00:50:20.940 the church

00:50:21.440 do?

00:50:21.900 It beat

00:50:22.280 a drum,

00:50:22.880 and the

00:50:23.140 drum was

00:50:24.320 Christ is 0.59

00:50:25.520 God,

00:50:26.080 Christ is 0.59

00:50:26.660 God,

00:50:27.100 and they

00:50:27.460 all began

00:50:27.920 to beat

00:50:28.240 this drum,

00:50:28.780 and finally

00:50:29.460 it was

00:50:31.040 defeated.

00:50:32.000 But nobody

00:50:32.720 knows about

00:50:33.560 quietism,

00:50:35.360 and the

00:50:36.160 effect it

00:50:36.840 has,

00:50:37.160 because now

00:50:39.500 realize that

00:50:41.280 the Catholic

00:50:42.780 church saw

00:50:43.740 they were

00:50:44.040 being led

00:50:44.480 back into

00:50:44.940 Protestantism

00:50:45.820 by this

00:50:46.300 man,

00:50:46.860 and it

00:50:47.100 was spreading

00:50:47.520 all over

00:50:47.960 Europe,

00:50:48.440 incidentally,

00:50:49.620 had tentacles

00:50:50.260 everywhere.

00:50:51.540 Not only

00:50:52.040 that,

00:50:52.440 it was

00:50:52.820 leading into

00:50:53.520 gross 0.74

00:50:54.420 sexual sin.

00:50:56.040 What does

00:50:56.320 our lady

00:50:56.680 say about

00:50:57.220 that,

00:50:57.540 on a

00:50:58.860 serious

00:50:59.520 level?

00:51:00.800 And when

00:51:01.780 serious sexual

00:51:03.160 sin gets

00:51:03.940 loose,

00:51:04.300 it's like

00:51:04.740 a drug.

00:51:05.800 We should

00:51:06.180 know about

00:51:06.700 it,

00:51:06.860 because sadly

00:51:07.540 we see it

00:51:08.320 at the

00:51:08.520 highest

00:51:08.760 level in

00:51:09.160 the church

00:51:09.560 today,

00:51:10.560 because this

00:51:11.040 is where

00:51:11.300 this is

00:51:11.620 all leading.

00:51:12.740 So the

00:51:13.340 church came

00:51:13.900 in and

00:51:14.300 it said,

00:51:15.180 stop.

00:51:17.800 Every

00:51:18.360 form of

00:51:19.160 prayer that

00:51:20.380 had the

00:51:20.840 slightest

00:51:21.340 whiff of

00:51:23.080 quietism

00:51:23.800 about it

00:51:24.460 had to

00:51:25.080 be stopped

00:51:25.860 and stopped

00:51:26.760 immediately,

00:51:27.960 or were

00:51:28.120 back in

00:51:28.440 Protestantism,

00:51:29.540 or were

00:51:30.060 moving into

00:51:30.900 a terrible

00:51:31.660 sexual

00:51:32.680 revolution.

00:51:35.100 And so

00:51:36.140 everything

00:51:36.960 had to

00:51:37.520 be

00:51:37.700 stopped.

00:51:40.140 The

00:51:40.820 works of

00:51:41.420 St.

00:51:41.680 John of

00:51:41.960 the Cross

00:51:42.460 and St.

00:51:43.420 Teresa

00:51:43.700 of Avila

00:51:44.180 disappeared to

00:51:45.680 collect dust

00:51:46.560 into clerical

00:51:48.160 libraries,

00:51:49.820 hardly to be

00:51:50.560 used.

00:51:52.680 Anything that

00:51:53.420 spoke about

00:51:54.160 being quiet

00:51:54.860 or being

00:51:55.300 still in

00:51:55.940 prayer,

00:51:56.540 anything that

00:51:57.100 spoke about

00:51:57.740 mystical

00:51:58.400 theology,

00:51:59.600 mystical

00:52:00.000 theology now

00:52:00.940 was out.

00:52:02.540 That's why

00:52:03.000 people sometimes

00:52:03.860 cringe when

00:52:04.640 you say

00:52:04.940 mystical

00:52:05.580 theology.

00:52:06.360 Oh,

00:52:06.540 that's not

00:52:07.020 for me.

00:52:07.660 Believe me,

00:52:08.820 believe me,

00:52:09.660 mystical

00:52:09.980 theology is

00:52:10.700 about love.

00:52:11.880 Your mystical

00:52:12.440 theology begins

00:52:13.500 when you

00:52:13.860 consecrate your 0.84

00:52:14.960 life to God

00:52:15.960 in the early

00:52:16.660 morning.

00:52:17.480 That's mystical

00:52:18.180 theology.

00:52:18.860 You're saying,

00:52:19.260 I give you

00:52:19.820 my heart and

00:52:20.420 my mind and

00:52:21.020 my love for

00:52:21.640 this day.

00:52:22.500 This is

00:52:22.940 mystical

00:52:23.320 theology in

00:52:24.240 practice,

00:52:25.280 but people

00:52:25.820 don't like to

00:52:27.060 use the word

00:52:27.840 they're afraid

00:52:28.580 of.

00:52:28.880 It is

00:52:29.180 dangerous.

00:52:30.620 They coined

00:52:31.300 an aphorism,

00:52:37.460 and it was

00:52:37.880 this.

00:52:40.060 Mysticism

00:52:40.740 begins in

00:52:41.540 mist and

00:52:42.180 ends in

00:52:42.940 schism.

00:52:43.660 Beware.

00:52:44.480 Don't go

00:52:44.960 near it.

00:52:45.760 Even

00:52:46.040 meditation

00:52:46.740 now came

00:52:47.760 under the

00:52:50.540 microscope,

00:52:51.020 because they

00:52:51.800 knew that

00:52:52.240 meditation led

00:52:53.140 to contemplation.

00:52:54.620 So all

00:52:55.200 forms of

00:52:55.700 prayer beyond

00:52:56.280 purely the

00:52:56.780 vocal was

00:52:58.080 not safe.

00:52:58.880 It could

00:52:59.320 be dangerous.

00:53:00.260 It had

00:53:00.580 to be

00:53:00.920 stopped.

00:53:02.360 Now, a

00:53:03.000 great massive

00:53:04.180 difference now

00:53:05.240 took place in

00:53:06.580 the whole

00:53:07.280 emphasis of

00:53:08.720 Catholic

00:53:09.280 spirituality.

00:53:11.380 Up to this

00:53:12.180 point, the

00:53:13.560 emphasis had

00:53:14.480 been totally

00:53:15.940 on God, on

00:53:18.520 the love of

00:53:19.120 God, in

00:53:22.100 Jesus Christ

00:53:23.060 our Lord.

00:53:23.800 That was the

00:53:24.560 total emphasis,

00:53:26.140 but now a

00:53:27.220 new insidious

00:53:28.340 emphasis came

00:53:29.520 in the

00:53:29.860 church.

00:53:30.620 It was

00:53:31.020 already there

00:53:31.840 because it

00:53:32.320 began at

00:53:32.760 the Renaissance,

00:53:34.220 which was the

00:53:34.920 real beginning

00:53:35.640 of the modern

00:53:36.300 world, and it

00:53:37.440 was now an

00:53:38.360 anthropocentric

00:53:39.480 spirituality.

00:53:42.360 Because the

00:53:43.240 credo of our

00:53:44.680 Catholic faith is

00:53:45.740 I believe in

00:53:46.580 God.

00:53:47.000 God is my

00:53:47.640 salvation.

00:53:49.420 God will

00:53:49.920 lead me.

00:53:50.700 God's wisdom

00:53:51.360 will lead me

00:53:52.440 to heaven, but

00:53:56.480 with them, with

00:53:58.760 anthropocentric

00:53:59.700 spirituality, it

00:54:00.900 is, I

00:54:01.580 believe in

00:54:02.280 God.

00:54:02.820 I believe in

00:54:03.740 God's wisdom.

00:54:05.000 I believe that

00:54:05.920 his wisdom will

00:54:06.980 lead me to

00:54:07.780 heaven on

00:54:08.380 earth.

00:54:09.440 Now, this

00:54:09.960 spirituality was

00:54:10.960 picked up in

00:54:11.620 new orders, new

00:54:12.620 activity-centered

00:54:13.580 orders.

00:54:14.420 If you read,

00:54:15.240 for instance,

00:54:16.020 the Ignatian

00:54:19.140 spirituality, for

00:54:20.880 instance, it is

00:54:22.160 totally

00:54:22.840 centered on

00:54:27.480 how I can

00:54:28.640 change myself.

00:54:31.240 Yes, the

00:54:31.960 grace of God

00:54:32.460 is there.

00:54:33.240 Yes, the

00:54:33.660 grace of God

00:54:34.140 is mentioned,

00:54:35.080 but there is

00:54:35.620 great emphasis

00:54:36.600 for the first

00:54:37.440 time now in

00:54:38.700 Christian

00:54:39.100 spirituality on

00:54:40.540 me, me, me,

00:54:41.480 making my, my,

00:54:42.500 myself holy.

00:54:43.900 Now, this

00:54:44.820 takes over.

00:54:45.600 After the

00:54:46.460 condemnation of

00:54:47.400 quietism, this

00:54:48.780 takes over.

00:54:50.680 And now, it

00:54:51.720 is not centered

00:54:52.720 on God in

00:54:53.660 Jesus Christ, it

00:54:54.800 is centered on

00:54:55.560 me, and it

00:54:56.500 is centered on

00:54:57.300 man's wisdom, and

00:54:58.700 it receives a

00:54:59.440 further shot in

00:55:00.180 the arm from

00:55:01.760 the Enlightenment,

00:55:03.060 which will only

00:55:04.140 believe in what

00:55:04.880 can be seen, what

00:55:05.820 can be reasoned

00:55:08.320 about.

00:55:08.880 But love is not

00:55:10.000 irrational, love

00:55:11.240 is super

00:55:11.940 rational.

00:55:13.540 And so now,

00:55:14.620 even within the

00:55:15.480 church, all the

00:55:17.540 great renewals that

00:55:18.500 have come since

00:55:19.220 them have been

00:55:19.960 scholastic to

00:55:20.900 mystic renewals.

00:55:22.160 I know, because I

00:55:23.360 was educated in

00:55:24.700 Thomism in the

00:55:25.440 1950s.

00:55:27.060 That's when I

00:55:27.500 received my

00:55:28.080 education.

00:55:29.080 This was the

00:55:29.720 latest renewal, but

00:55:30.580 it was always back

00:55:31.520 to the scholastics.

00:55:32.960 Fine.

00:55:34.340 If they'd

00:55:35.020 remembered that

00:55:35.960 St. Thomas

00:55:36.580 Aquinas, at the

00:55:37.500 end of his

00:55:38.100 life, through his

00:55:40.320 great learning, had

00:55:41.280 been learned, been

00:55:42.680 led to the

00:55:43.260 fullness of God's

00:55:44.160 love, and

00:55:45.340 experienced the

00:55:46.260 love of God in

00:55:47.020 such a way, it

00:55:48.120 was taken out of

00:55:48.980 himself, that he

00:55:50.160 said, what I have

00:55:51.100 written so far

00:55:53.180 compared with this

00:55:54.540 is as strong.

00:55:57.180 Because mystical

00:55:58.300 theology, true

00:55:59.360 mystical theology,

00:56:00.720 leads to love.

00:56:04.280 Now, all this was

00:56:05.860 taken out, therefore,

00:56:08.000 of Catholic

00:56:09.000 spirituality.

00:56:09.720 It was handed

00:56:10.960 down through my

00:56:12.000 family, because

00:56:13.400 they were living

00:56:14.080 in exile, and

00:56:15.240 they were living in

00:56:16.020 little houses where

00:56:17.080 they were, some of

00:56:18.500 them were very big

00:56:19.160 houses, actually,

00:56:20.540 where they were

00:56:21.420 terrified, because

00:56:22.900 the Protestant

00:56:23.620 pursuants were

00:56:24.800 hunting them down.

00:56:26.140 And there they

00:56:26.720 kept this faith, this

00:56:28.460 faith that was

00:56:29.040 handed on to me by

00:56:30.600 my mother.

00:56:32.240 But they lost all

00:56:33.660 their money.

00:56:34.700 But so what for

00:56:35.860 the money?

00:56:36.560 My grandfather

00:56:37.220 might have died

00:56:37.920 without a bean,

00:56:38.700 but look what he

00:56:39.920 left me.

00:56:40.960 Look at the

00:56:41.380 treasury that he

00:56:42.440 left me.

00:56:43.660 This profound

00:56:44.540 spirituality, this

00:56:46.000 profound, perhaps I

00:56:47.660 could call it this

00:56:48.500 profound, Tridentine

00:56:49.840 spirituality, which

00:56:51.480 unfortunately

00:56:52.280 disappeared.

00:56:53.780 So you still have

00:56:54.960 the Tridentine mass,

00:56:56.640 but shorn of the

00:56:58.240 spirituality that gave

00:57:01.220 it so much life and

00:57:02.260 vitality in those

00:57:04.560 early days.

00:57:05.440 So we've got to go

00:57:06.600 back to this.

00:57:07.480 So you see, John

00:57:10.420 Hendry, I'm not

00:57:12.440 coming here with any

00:57:13.300 newfangled ideas.

00:57:15.160 I'm going back to

00:57:16.160 the simple teaching

00:57:17.400 of the gospel

00:57:18.960 spirituality that

00:57:20.640 Jesus Christ, our

00:57:21.860 Lord, taught

00:57:22.740 himself, lived

00:57:24.100 himself, practiced

00:57:25.480 himself, handed

00:57:26.820 on to the apostles,

00:57:28.020 who handed on to

00:57:29.060 the early church.

00:57:30.440 It is a sacred

00:57:31.420 spirituality that

00:57:33.740 that involves

00:57:35.520 being united

00:57:36.540 with Christ in

00:57:37.960 the Eucharist in

00:57:39.020 such a way.

00:57:41.460 Yes, something is

00:57:42.620 just coming into my

00:57:43.640 mind that I must

00:57:44.700 tell you to show

00:57:45.680 just what this

00:57:46.780 spirituality meant

00:57:48.360 to those early

00:57:49.160 Christians. 0.51

00:57:50.620 Writing less than

00:57:51.880 a hundred years

00:57:53.100 after our Lord

00:57:54.780 died upon the

00:57:55.960 cross, St.

00:57:58.020 Justin in Rome

00:57:59.800 writes, when

00:58:01.880 at the end of

00:58:03.060 the great

00:58:03.480 Eucharistic

00:58:04.220 prayer, in

00:58:05.380 him, with

00:58:06.080 him, through

00:58:06.840 him, all

00:58:07.860 honour and

00:58:08.500 glory to

00:58:09.140 all, the

00:58:10.020 Amen was

00:58:11.360 such that it

00:58:13.300 nearly raised

00:58:14.160 the roof.

00:58:15.420 Why?

00:58:16.160 They were not

00:58:16.520 just saying

00:58:16.920 Amen to a

00:58:17.560 prayer, they

00:58:17.900 were saying

00:58:18.260 Amen to

00:58:18.860 their lives.

00:58:20.000 This was

00:58:20.380 their life,

00:58:21.440 offering

00:58:21.740 themselves in

00:58:22.720 with and

00:58:23.120 through Christ

00:58:23.860 to God the

00:58:24.480 Father.

00:58:24.880 100 years

00:58:27.800 later, 200

00:58:29.640 years later,

00:58:30.700 sorry, St.

00:58:32.420 Jerome, who

00:58:33.400 of course

00:58:33.880 translated the

00:58:35.020 Bible into 1.00

00:58:36.240 what we know

00:58:36.780 as the

00:58:37.100 Vulgate, he

00:58:39.340 said, when

00:58:39.840 this great

00:58:40.900 Amen was

00:58:41.940 pronounced at

00:58:43.440 the end of

00:58:44.000 the great

00:58:44.340 Eucharistic

00:58:45.060 prayer, he

00:58:45.620 said, it

00:58:46.540 was like, I

00:58:47.660 quote, a

00:58:48.320 thunder clap

00:58:49.340 resounding

00:58:50.480 around the

00:58:51.120 basilica.

00:58:52.700 Once again,

00:58:53.760 it was

00:58:54.780 not, it

00:58:55.600 was Amen

00:58:56.360 because their

00:58:57.600 whole lives

00:58:58.480 were offered

00:58:59.520 to God the

00:59:00.500 Father in,

00:59:01.700 with, and

00:59:02.200 through Christ

00:59:03.000 in this way.

00:59:04.520 They were

00:59:04.880 participating in

00:59:06.860 his redemptive

00:59:08.460 action and

00:59:11.460 receiving the

00:59:13.460 fruits of

00:59:14.120 contemplation that

00:59:15.980 were so

00:59:16.660 disseminated that

00:59:18.540 in such a

00:59:19.540 brief period

00:59:20.440 of time,

00:59:22.320 a,

00:59:22.580 small group

00:59:25.880 of Jewish

00:59:27.940 heretics had 0.97

00:59:30.620 transformed a

00:59:31.420 Roman Empire

00:59:31.980 into a

00:59:32.500 Christian Empire. 0.83

00:59:34.040 This was how

00:59:34.720 they did it.

00:59:35.800 And you know

00:59:36.160 the base for

00:59:36.780 it all?

00:59:37.420 Where was the

00:59:37.860 base?

00:59:38.660 The base was

00:59:39.480 the family.

00:59:41.100 There weren't

00:59:41.740 Dominicans and

00:59:42.360 Franciscans,

00:59:43.140 there weren't

00:59:43.260 even Desert

00:59:43.740 Fathers or

00:59:44.420 Benedictines or

00:59:45.340 Carthusians.

00:59:46.240 It didn't

00:59:46.580 exist.

00:59:47.080 the family

00:59:48.540 was the

00:59:49.020 base.

00:59:51.360 That was the

00:59:51.860 base.

00:59:52.380 Perhaps I

00:59:52.860 better leave

00:59:53.320 here because

00:59:53.680 I'm in danger

00:59:56.000 of taking

00:59:56.960 off because I

00:59:58.500 would like to

00:59:59.020 say so much

00:59:59.800 about the

01:00:00.260 family that

01:00:00.800 Christ consecrated 0.79

01:00:01.840 when he went

01:00:02.740 to the

01:00:03.180 marriage feast

01:00:03.980 at Cana.

01:00:04.940 It is here

01:00:05.780 that love is

01:00:06.460 first learned.

01:00:07.220 If you want

01:00:07.560 to know where

01:00:08.060 it is first

01:00:09.340 learned, it

01:00:10.080 is first

01:00:10.580 learned here.

01:00:12.300 Saint Bonaventure

01:00:13.040 said later that

01:00:14.080 the love of

01:00:15.360 God or

01:00:16.180 contemplation is

01:00:17.460 first learned

01:00:18.480 at the

01:00:19.360 mother's 0.78

01:00:19.840 breast. 0.57

01:00:22.480 It was

01:00:22.840 certainly for

01:00:23.460 me, it

01:00:24.220 was here,

01:00:25.120 that I

01:00:25.540 received the

01:00:27.140 strength, the

01:00:28.000 love.

01:00:30.840 To spend

01:00:31.800 my life

01:00:32.440 travelling upon

01:00:34.040 this mystic

01:00:35.580 way that I'm

01:00:36.300 trying to

01:00:36.840 describe to

01:00:37.500 you, it

01:00:37.780 was her

01:00:38.240 strength.

01:00:39.020 This was the

01:00:39.520 heritage I

01:00:40.340 received from

01:00:41.060 my recusant

01:00:42.280 forefathers

01:00:43.040 through her.

01:00:44.080 and more

01:00:44.520 specifically

01:00:45.200 through her

01:00:46.340 love.

01:00:47.580 But I'm

01:00:47.900 drawing the

01:00:48.900 line here

01:00:49.440 because I

01:00:50.740 can go on

01:00:51.980 further.

01:00:52.960 But I

01:00:53.680 wanted to

01:00:54.300 go on

01:00:54.740 thus far,

01:00:55.760 John Henry,

01:00:56.980 to show

01:00:58.160 that the

01:00:58.820 real devil,

01:01:00.200 if you

01:01:00.460 like,

01:01:02.320 started

01:01:02.960 after the

01:01:04.700 condemnation

01:01:05.800 of

01:01:06.900 quietism,

01:01:08.620 when all

01:01:09.440 forms of

01:01:10.060 mystical

01:01:10.660 theology

01:01:11.360 were also

01:01:12.620 condemned

01:01:13.320 for fear

01:01:13.840 they'd

01:01:14.160 lead people

01:01:14.780 back into

01:01:15.340 Protestantism,

01:01:16.760 for fear

01:01:17.100 that they

01:01:17.420 would lead

01:01:17.880 people back

01:01:19.120 into sexual

01:01:20.080 sins.

01:01:21.460 And so

01:01:21.940 a new

01:01:22.840 spirituality

01:01:23.540 was accepted

01:01:25.180 that gradually

01:01:26.200 grew stronger

01:01:27.220 and stronger

01:01:27.860 with the years.

01:01:28.980 It was the

01:01:29.540 me, me, me

01:01:30.740 centred

01:01:31.340 spirituality,

01:01:32.540 an anthropocentric

01:01:33.580 centred, me,

01:01:34.880 my pleasure,

01:01:35.700 what I want,

01:01:36.700 and now.

01:01:37.480 And this

01:01:38.300 is the

01:01:38.640 spirituality

01:01:39.160 that has

01:01:40.180 taken over

01:01:40.940 the church.

01:01:41.860 This is

01:01:42.260 the wanton

01:01:44.340 and woke

01:01:45.340 wisdom now

01:01:46.720 that they

01:01:47.400 want to

01:01:47.840 bring into

01:01:48.360 our church.

01:01:49.040 And it's

01:01:49.800 an anthropocentric

01:01:50.940 spirituality,

01:01:51.620 and it begins

01:01:52.780 in a very

01:01:53.340 real way in

01:01:54.580 the aftermath

01:01:55.280 of quietism.

01:01:56.460 It's back

01:01:57.220 to prayer.

01:01:58.740 It's back

01:01:59.560 to mystical

01:02:00.240 theology.

01:02:01.440 And by mystical

01:02:02.220 theology, I

01:02:03.100 mean learning

01:02:04.200 how to love

01:02:05.140 again as

01:02:05.800 God loves

01:02:06.500 us, beginning

01:02:07.580 it's all

01:02:08.440 very simple,

01:02:09.880 beginning now

01:02:10.760 by rejuvenating

01:02:12.960 our morning

01:02:15.760 prayer, and

01:02:17.400 trying to

01:02:19.240 use the

01:02:20.280 prayer of

01:02:20.840 the heart

01:02:21.480 to keep it

01:02:22.360 on track

01:02:22.940 throughout the

01:02:23.640 day.

01:02:24.320 And then

01:02:24.920 the sacrifice

01:02:25.680 involved in

01:02:27.260 this wonderful,

01:02:29.480 profound,

01:02:30.460 mystical

01:02:30.900 spirituality being

01:02:32.280 offered each

01:02:33.580 time we

01:02:34.180 go to

01:02:34.640 mass, to

01:02:35.220 receive the

01:02:35.820 help and

01:02:36.380 strength, to

01:02:37.100 continue on

01:02:38.160 this way, till

01:02:39.260 we be united

01:02:41.000 ever more

01:02:41.820 deeply with

01:02:42.840 Christ, to

01:02:43.540 receive through

01:02:44.780 him the

01:02:45.340 fruits of

01:02:45.920 contemplation, to

01:02:47.520 do to the

01:02:48.200 contemporary world

01:02:49.300 what the

01:02:49.680 fruits of

01:02:50.180 contemplation did

01:02:51.300 to that ancient

01:02:52.380 pagan world.

01:02:53.620 This is the

01:02:54.400 way forward.

01:02:56.060 And I believe

01:02:56.940 now is the

01:02:58.000 time to start

01:02:58.840 again in this

01:02:59.600 year before

01:03:01.120 the devils

01:03:01.660 meet again.

01:03:02.240 Yes, I'm

01:03:02.580 sorry, the

01:03:03.360 devils meet

01:03:03.960 again, there

01:03:04.680 is devilry up

01:03:05.740 top, there

01:03:06.640 is a smell

01:03:07.300 of sulfur, I'm

01:03:08.540 sorry, it's

01:03:09.520 not just that I

01:03:10.340 disagree with

01:03:11.360 what they say,

01:03:12.380 it's what I

01:03:13.160 disagree with

01:03:14.020 those eminence

01:03:15.040 gris who are 0.97

01:03:16.260 at the top,

01:03:17.760 are up to.

01:03:19.100 Even many

01:03:20.760 other people

01:03:21.200 were called

01:03:21.600 to Rome and

01:03:22.640 took part in

01:03:23.260 this and don't

01:03:24.160 know it all,

01:03:24.940 they know it

01:03:25.520 all, they are

01:03:26.280 the master

01:03:26.740 manipulators.

01:03:28.240 With their

01:03:29.060 Marxism and

01:03:30.120 with their

01:03:30.700 Machiavellianism,

01:03:32.000 they know what's

01:03:32.660 going on, it's

01:03:33.620 all worked

01:03:34.220 out, we've

01:03:35.400 got to take

01:03:36.120 up the

01:03:36.660 offensive and

01:03:38.000 let's get

01:03:38.800 together now,

01:03:39.860 all of us,

01:03:41.360 reviting our

01:03:42.360 spiritual life by

01:03:43.900 taking a

01:03:46.000 learning from

01:03:46.900 Jesus Christ,

01:03:48.000 our Lord, from

01:03:48.920 the way he

01:03:49.760 prayed, beginning

01:03:50.800 therefore with

01:03:51.900 the Christian

01:03:53.600 shamer, our

01:03:55.260 mourning,

01:03:56.140 offering.

01:03:56.520 David

01:03:57.960 Dorkington, that

01:03:58.760 is so

01:03:59.320 absolutely

01:04:00.060 beautiful.

01:04:02.600 I could,

01:04:04.260 all I want

01:04:04.780 to do is

01:04:05.820 encourage everyone

01:04:06.920 to go to

01:04:08.360 Essentialist Press

01:04:09.240 and be able to

01:04:11.160 hear more of

01:04:12.800 you unpacking

01:04:13.720 the beauty of

01:04:15.520 the faith.

01:04:17.600 It's hard to

01:04:18.880 describe, you've

01:04:19.880 been given a

01:04:20.400 great gift and

01:04:22.680 I'm so glad you

01:04:23.340 share your gift

01:04:24.080 with the

01:04:24.380 church, a

01:04:26.760 gift to be

01:04:27.440 able to

01:04:28.960 capture and

01:04:31.220 explain this

01:04:33.320 love of

01:04:34.280 Christ, the

01:04:34.880 way we should

01:04:35.380 offer ourselves

01:04:36.240 in, through,

01:04:37.940 with Jesus

01:04:38.480 Christ in the

01:04:39.160 Holy Sacrifice

01:04:39.760 of the Mass.

01:04:41.520 It does answer

01:04:42.600 all the

01:04:42.920 questions and

01:04:45.180 so I have

01:04:45.780 none for you.

01:04:46.880 Can I say

01:04:47.220 one last thing?

01:04:49.880 Please.

01:04:50.260 People may

01:04:51.360 say, we

01:04:52.960 wish that

01:04:54.280 we'd had a

01:04:54.840 mother like

01:04:55.280 your mother,

01:04:56.280 but I've got

01:04:57.020 news for you,

01:04:57.720 you have.

01:04:58.760 You have got a

01:04:59.740 mother and she

01:05:00.860 was given to

01:05:01.400 us on the

01:05:02.080 cross.

01:05:04.000 And if you

01:05:05.040 want another 0.93

01:05:05.580 simple summing

01:05:06.440 up of everything

01:05:07.120 that I'm

01:05:07.660 saying, it

01:05:10.040 was given by

01:05:10.640 Our Lady of

01:05:11.420 Lord when she

01:05:12.620 said to

01:05:13.000 Bernadette,

01:05:13.820 repent,

01:05:14.440 repent,

01:05:14.980 repent,

01:05:15.740 because that's

01:05:16.300 all we're being

01:05:17.620 asked to do.

01:05:18.680 Every moment of

01:05:19.540 our day, keep

01:05:20.460 turning back to

01:05:21.520 God, keep

01:05:22.140 turning back to

01:05:23.040 God.

01:05:23.720 And Fatima

01:05:24.280 expanded, keep

01:05:26.860 turning back to

01:05:27.780 God, repent,

01:05:29.940 and also,

01:05:31.660 she said,

01:05:34.980 pray, offer

01:05:36.220 your sacrifice,

01:05:37.680 and later,

01:05:38.720 offer your

01:05:39.180 sacrifice at

01:05:40.300 Mass, and

01:05:42.440 use the

01:05:45.280 Rosary to

01:05:46.460 pray, to

01:05:47.160 unite yourself

01:05:48.220 love with

01:05:48.700 the great

01:05:49.180 mysteries of

01:05:50.420 my son, as

01:05:51.720 they were

01:05:52.100 lived out

01:05:52.700 while he was

01:05:53.480 upon this

01:05:54.360 earth.

01:05:54.980 We all do

01:05:56.140 have a

01:05:57.320 mother.

01:05:59.140 Amen.

01:06:00.080 Amen.

01:06:01.200 David, thank

01:06:02.000 you so very

01:06:02.480 much.

01:06:03.960 May God bless

01:06:04.520 you and all of

01:06:05.300 your awesome

01:06:05.740 work.

01:06:06.820 Thank you very

01:06:07.400 much.

01:06:08.640 And God bless

01:06:09.600 all of you.

01:06:10.980 And we'll see

01:06:11.600 you next time.

01:06:12.020 God bless you and

01:06:23.360 we'll see you next

01:06:24.320 time.

01:06:33.580 Bye.

01:06:33.660 Bye.

01:06:33.780 Bye.

01:06:33.880 Bye.

01:06:33.980 Bye.

01:06:34.940 Bye.

01:06:35.860 Bye.

01:06:36.900 Bye.

01:06:37.560 Bye.

The John-Henry Westen Show - November 29, 2023

'Tridentine spirituality' will save the world

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