Twin Baby Girls： Conjoined And Doomed To Die ｜ A Mother's Moving Testimony
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In this episode, Fr. shares the tragic story of a young mother who was diagnosed with twins who share one heart and other organs, and how she is fighting to protect her unborn children in the womb from abortion.
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I was starting to lose hope. And so God gives me this pregnancy, this very tough diagnosis,
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and I'm just giving thanks to him. Even though I won't have that much time with my babies,
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I'm just giving thanks. And my family members, some will think that I'm crazy for thanking him
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for such a diagnosis, but that's what it is. It's a gift.
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This is why we strive to protect those that are most vulnerable and most discriminated against
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the innocent child in the womb of their mothers. We live in an age and a time where you can go to
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jail, as in the UK, for simply praying outside of an abortion center. But you would be celebrated
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for brutally killing your own child in the womb. Abortion is truly from Satan, who is from the
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beginning a deceiver and murderer. And Satan leaves no room for doubt regarding this, as we see the
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satanic temple fighting in American courts for their religious right to abortion, their marketing
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of their abortion ritual, and their latest abortion temple. So those supporting abortion require no
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reason to advocate the murder of children. However, they're quick to do so and call it mercy when it's
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known that the baby in the womb suffers from any kind of medical difficulty. Children in the womb
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that are diagnosed with illnesses and disabilities are massacred without a second thought, and their
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parents are lauded for sparing their children a life of misery by having their children hacked to death
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at the hands of an abortion. Studies have indicated that these diagnoses are often incorrect. But of
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course, the disability and illness of a child can never be a reason to kill the children. They say in
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today's day and age that they've almost eliminated certain disorders, you know, and what they're really
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doing is they're killing the children, and they're calling that the great cure. The true act of mercy and love
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is to let the child live. When we love someone, we want to spend as much time with them as we can
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before their deaths. And that's why if we hear of a loved one being diagnosed with a life-threatening
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disease, with only a few days to live, we'd rush to their bedsides to be with them, spend time with
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them, rather than killing them the very same day. And won't this apply then to our children in the womb as
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well? Even if the child is to die in the womb or be unable to survive life outside the womb, choosing to kill
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them is unacceptable and inhuman. But when faced with these situations, in real life, there can be tremendous
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pressure and confusion. My guest today is a young mother who's carrying conjoined twins who share one heart and other
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organs. She's been pressured by people to kill her children through abortion. But as a powerful pro-life
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witness, she has rejected these suggestions and decided instead to fight against abortion and share
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the humanity of her babies. Before we get to Nicole, my next guest, I wanted to share a word about emergency
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baptisms that apply in cases like this. So in cases of urgent necessity, and specifically with
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cases of children under the age of seven, canon law requires that they be baptized without delay.
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Look up canon 867 number 2. And when there is danger of the baby dying, there is no requirement that the
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parents be present, that they be practicing Catholics or even married in the church. The church teaches that
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in life and death situations in which a priest or deacon is not available, anyone, including Catholics,
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even non-Catholics or non-Christians, and even non-theists, may baptize so long as they do so
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in the correct manner and with the correct intention, that is, the intention to baptize.
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all laypersons, since they belong to the priestly people and especially parents, and by reason of their
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work, catechists, obstetricians, nurses of the sick, as well as physicians and surgeons,
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should know the proper method of baptizing in cases of necessity. That's from the rite of baptism
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number 17. In the case of necessity, it goes on, example of the danger of death, the person who
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baptizes pours water three times over the candidate's head or immerses the candidate three times in water,
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simultaneously pronouncing the baptismal formula, which is this. State the name of the person, say,
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John, John, I baptize you in the name of the Father. And when you say that, the minister of
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pours water over the baby's head or a person's head or immerses them in water. And the name of
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the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. And with each of the invocations in the name of the
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Father, in the name of the Son, again, water's poured or immersed in the water. And of the Holy
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Spirit, same thing, water poured or immersed in the water. So, water's poured three times over the
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person's head while speaking the words, I baptize you in the name of the Father and of the Son and
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of the Holy Spirit. You say his name first, of course, John or Susan or whatever it is, I baptize
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you in the name of the Son. So, that's what we get. And then, a layperson who administers an emergency
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baptism must at least have the intention to do what the church does when baptizing. And it's also
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desirable that, as far as possible, one or two witnesses to the baptism be present.
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And that's it. I mean, the rules are fairly simple. This used to be known by all doctors and nurses
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in all hospitals, but is no longer the case very often. So, you should know it. Spread this truth.
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Spread the word around of the need to baptize, especially in the cases of emergencies.
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And now, to our guest, Nicole LeBlanc. Stay tuned.
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Nicole LeBlanc, welcome to the program. Thank you so much. Let's begin as we always do with the sign of
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the cross. In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen. Amen.
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So, Nicole, thanks for being with us. How far along in your pregnancy are you right now?
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I'm currently in my 23-week, 23rd week of the pregnancy.
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Wow. So you're dealing with this very difficult pregnancy. You've been warned. Tell us, what was
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the diagnosis and how did you learn about that? I found out that I'm having thoracopagus
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conjoined twins at 10 weeks gestational age. I went to the ER and that's where they diagnosed me
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and the babies. The twins do run on my husband's side of the family, but nothing like this. This is
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a one in 100,000 chance of happening per pregnancy. So it's been a very emotional ride and going through
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all the very high intense maternal fetal medicine meetings. And this is not what a typical pregnancy
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would look like. Did you experience pressure? I presume at such an early point in the pregnancy,
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when they've discovered something like that, one of the major options on the table would be to
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encourage you to terminate the pregnancy, as they'd say. Yeah, that was definitely something that they
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were pushing. And the fact that I was at a Catholic hospital is what really took me back.
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They did not perform abortions at this hospital, but they were wanting to know, since I was still
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so early, what I wanted to do. So they were either going to transfer me to the major hospital, which
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where I'm at right now, because the Catholic hospital, they said they had rules and regulations,
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we can't do that, but we would be more than happy to transport you. And my husband and I firmly
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said, absolutely not. This is just so impossible to even think about. It's brutal. And it's murder
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of my own children. Why would I do that? Let's rewind a little bit, Nicole. Tell us about yourself,
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about your marriage. How long have you been married? I got married to my wonderful spouse,
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Austin, in August, August 20th, 2021, on the feast of St. Bernard of Clairvaux. So we've been married for
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almost, it'll be two years this August, but still feels like we're in the honeymoon stage. We met when
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I was 19, he was 20. So we were having a, we met at work. So we dated during that time. He lived very
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close. So he was always at my house every day. And he's a convert to the Catholic faith. In 2020, during
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all the shutdowns and everything, I was his sponsor. And he originally told me he was doing this because
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I told him, I need to marry someone Catholic. If not, it's just not going to work out. So I went to
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the RCIA classes with him and answered all of his questions. And at first he did it for me, but he
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started learning and studying more. And he really fell in love with the faith, the Blessed Mother,
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the Eucharist, Eucharistic Miracles, all of it. So it was a package deal. And we got married,
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Catholic full ceremony. And he just, we both love the faith and he's teaching me more. So,
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and me being a cradle Catholic, it's really refreshing to hear that. Yeah. Yeah. So we're
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just, we go to mass, we go to a traditional Latin mass every Sunday for mass, pray the rosary daily.
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With my mom, she's still very close by, my sisters. So very, I'm very close to my family
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because we're Latina. So we have always there 24 seven. Beautiful. Yeah. So what gives you this
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strong conviction about not offending our Lord, not, not harming your baby? Even in the face of the
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kind of pressure, were you, you know, was it confusing for you? How did that feel like when you went through
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Yeah. When, when the doctors were telling me about their diagnosis, they were saying,
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you're going to miscarry. And if you don't miscarry, the other option should be for you to
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terminate because they're not expected to live long at all. They were surprised that I had made it all
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the way to 16 weeks. So they were just really pressuring me and telling me that my life was also
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on the line. For what reason? I don't know, because this is the same as any twin pregnancy. There's
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always risks with pregnancies, but we're, we live in a time of modern medicine. Babies are born so
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early on. I don't know if it was a scare tactic or for me to be a number, but yeah, I don't know why
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they would want to push something so hard like that. And every single time that I would go to an
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appointment, even when they transferred me to the university of Michigan hospital here,
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they were still asking me, how would you like to proceed? And how would you like to continue?
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Even after seeing my little babies jumping off the side of my womb, even after all of that with
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their diagnosis and you can clearly see the organs that they have and what they share. It's, it's
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nonsensical. The answer is yes. I'm yes to life. Now, obviously you guys have been thinking about this
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and dealing with this. What does this look like? Is it going to have to be a C-section, I presume, or
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how's that going to work? What plans have you already made? Yeah. So, um, it's impossible to
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deliver two heads at once. So they would have to do a C-section at 35 weeks. Um, and this is another
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scare tactic I think is the, the form of the C-section. So before they used to do the long
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incision up and down abdominally, but, and that carries its own side of set of risks. So the doctors
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were telling me, if we do have to do this long incision, your risks for, um, future pregnancies
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is very high. Uh, you would have a lot of complications with future pregnancies and you can
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only have C-sections after this and your babies, it could only be like two or three in the future
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and they would have to be born five weeks early every single time. So, I mean, I would have loved to
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carry, you know, as many babies as I could have. I'm a pretty generally healthy person overall,
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but, uh, so we're just praying for what kind of C-section incision this will be. Cause if it's a
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low transverse, uh, abdominal incision, the classical, uh, then I can try again, um, with
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some complications, but nonetheless, it still is a massive surgery.
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Yeah. So they're just trying to see the, the, the position of how they are, that will determine
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what cut that they do. What have you and your husband discussed in terms of, you know, what
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you're looking at, you know, in your lives with these children? Um, if the thought is, and have
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you made preparation for baptism or anything like that, um, with your priests, I presume?
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Yes. Um, something that, so they, the doctors now think that they can make it to 35 weeks,
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be delivered then. And, uh, they have a whole team of palliative care. We meet with them. We're
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going to have another meeting again. Uh, and I have expressed that I would like my husband in the room,
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my mother in the operating room and the priest, so we can have them baptized. And we're trying to
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figure it out. If hopefully God willing, they are born alive, they would be born, they would be
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baptized in the minutes after they are delivered instead of hours after delivery, because their
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prognosis is, um, you know, minutes to hours to weeks. Sometimes, uh, these babies can live for a
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couple of months. And, um, but that's just overall what it is.
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the program. Now, these are your first children, uh, your first pregnancy. And, uh, you know, this has
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happened. A lot of people faced with something like this would be very angry with God or rebel
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or question their faith or question God. What's your response? Well, I have had a very tough diagnosis
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before in my family. My father, he passed away when I was 15 of stage four pancreatic cancer. So I did have
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that feeling when I was 14, 15, and I was upset that why would this happen to my father? He was a
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devout Catholic man. He was receiving communion every single day, um, in hospice. He told me he was
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doing this for the conversion of sinners, a very holy man. And I would question a lot of things. I had a lot
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of questions and he firmly put his hand on the table and he was so sick. And the fact that he was
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so passionate about our Lord and the faith really made me not question anything. Everything I do has
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to be for the glory and honor of God. These babies are a miracle. The fact that they're still alive is
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a miracle. So I have to give back to God all the graces that I've received from the suffering my dad had
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or any of my suffering that I'm experiencing emotionally with their diagnosis. I'm, I plan to
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have these babies for my entire life and to have them be with me. And the fact that that's not
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going to be something that is possible. Um, it is very sad, but I know God is in control. How could
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I be mad at him? These babies are meant for him. That story about your dad, I think is really
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really, really moving. His firmness in his suffering is what, uh, instilled such a strong
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faith in you. What a witness that is. Absolutely. Beautiful. What, um, your husband, what does he
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think of all this? Um, this must be very difficult for him as well. What are his thoughts? What's he
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shared with you? No, yeah. He's also been very pro-life and his upbringing. So we both kind of
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looked at each other when they were telling us their diagnosis and we're like, this is impossible
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for even to think about aborting our children. Um, I mean, we got married and we made a promise to God
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to, you know, raise children to God and for him. And it's been, it's been very difficult on him.
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At first, uh, he wanted to resort more to working on our small business and just, uh, doing whatever
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he could to get his mind off of it. But as we grew more and more acceptance with their diagnosis,
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we have just been praying more, just letting God do his work, not our will, but his be done. And
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he's been very supportive, very, um, loving, especially in the first trimester. He has helped a lot.
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And, um, I couldn't have had a better spouse in mind. God, God did a great job with Austin.
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Beautiful. Now, um, are you okay if we show some of the photos of, uh, of your babies,
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the ultrasound photos? Yes, that's okay. Beautiful. One thing you have to do is, um,
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you know, I'm sure you'll be taking photos of the little ones when they're born, God willing,
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and, uh, and baptized and everything else. Please, uh, come back and share that with us when,
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when that happy day comes. No, absolutely. Yeah. I think these pictures, especially the ultrasounds
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really show their humanity. And even with their, their, their closeness and proximity, it's kind of
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hard to get clear pictures of them now, but they clearly have humanistic features. And I can't wait to
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share that the humanity of these babies so early on. Now, one of the things that many people would
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wonder about is how in the world do you maintain composure? Um, and I know you have hard days.
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And so tell us about how you sort of get over that, because I think in allowing a glimpse into
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your own pain and, you know, the way you overcome it or deal with it, I think would help a lot of
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young people in dealing with the various traumas there. And there's many, many of them.
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I have never really been a person to experience anxiety or have panic attacks. I would get stressed
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out at school exams and whatnot, but nothing where my life was on the line, like how the doctors are
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telling me now or trying to scare me. So of course that is going to induce some sort of reaction.
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Anxiety is just a human nature response. So when we're faced with difficult challenges as a Catholic,
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you just have to cling to the rosary and our blessed mother. There is no other way. People tell me how
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strong I am. And I'm really like, no, I'm really not strong a person at all. Uh, everything that I
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have is through the prayers. People are praying for me. I think that's very important. My family members
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that have kind of fallen away are thinking about things now and questioning things. And my, I really
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think my daughters are really teaching me what strength is because they are fighters and they're
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so tiny yet I can feel them. And it makes me want to be stronger for them. Even with one umbilical
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core that they have, they're taking all of my nutrients, but so be it. I am their mother. That
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is my job as a mother is to support them. And yeah, days can be hard on me, especially I get anxiety
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sometimes and I'll be with my mom or, um, Austin and we'll just take a minute and just pray and just
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let Jesus be giving me the peace that he has. And again, the rosary really helps me and Gregorian
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chants. I'll just lay back and just listen and just be, be with, um, be with God. Yeah.
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Very interestingly, this situation with you, which could have caused you to lose faith,
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many people around you to lose faith, to rebel against God. You're suggesting that it's actually
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causing people in your family to turn to the faith.
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Yes. Um, for me, it is a gift. I, I didn't think I would be able to be pregnant. We
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were, um, trying just letting God's will work and it was almost a year. And I was thinking,
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oh, it's just, it's never going to happen. We're both 23. How can this be that we're not
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conceiving yet? And so it took 10 months for us. So finally, um, I was starting to lose hope. And so
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God gives me this pregnancy. It was very tough diagnosis and I'm just giving thanks to him. Even
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though I won't have that much time with my babies, I'm just giving thanks. And my family members,
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some will think that I'm crazy for thanking him for such a diagnosis, but that's what it is. It's
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a gift. Some people aren't as fortunate as I am to have babies. And it is a struggle going to church
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every week and seeing the pregnant moms and they have a pew full of beautiful babies and children. And
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some women, they long for that. It is in our human nature as women to want babies.
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And it doesn't matter how they're formed or how they were conceived. Um, it's just,
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it's a miracle. And that's what I have to keep on telling family members and those non-believers.
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Uh, they, um, they see the pictures of the little baby and the heartbeat at seven weeks. Um, that's
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when they did the earliest appointment, but it's just, it's a miracle.
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Now you found out they're baby girls. Have you thought of names yet?
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Yes. Yes. Um, I didn't want to really know. I wanted to be surprised. Um, but since they were
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saying, Oh, you're going to miss Carrie and you're not going to have much time. Um, we were like,
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okay, well, we got to pick special names. So we picked Maria Therese and Rachel Clare.
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Beautiful. Beautiful. Now with these little ones, um, you know, one of the things you've
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probably already consecrated them to our lady and, and do you, do you, you as a mother,
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I'm sure feel a connection to these little ones. How about your husband? I've found in, in my travels
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this way. It's, it's more difficult that way. Well, from the very beginning, um, he would always
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kiss my belly and talk to the baby. And I was like, you know, there might be two in there because
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this nausea is pretty bad, but every single day he would talk to them and tell them how loved that
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they are and how much dad loves them. And I will talk to my girls and I'll say, you know,
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dad made some really great homemade pancakes this morning and they, they really like when I eat
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sugary things, but, um, I'll tell them all the great things that he does for us, for the three of us.
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And they, I know that they feel loved by, by their dad.
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Beautiful. Beautiful. What are your, what would your words be for, uh, young people struggling with
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all sorts of different, um, hardships and challenges in their lives? What would your advice for them be?
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I would say first contact some sort of priest or spiritual director, even if they're not Catholic,
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they need to speak to someone with a religious point of view. Um, but yeah, obviously if you're
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Catholic, talk to a priest first and go to mass, go to confession and go to mass. Um, I feel a great
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relief whenever I go to confession, I will, you know, talk about the anxieties that I'm feeling because
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that also doesn't really belong to God. So I want to guest all, cast all my worries to God and leave
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it at the foot of the cross. But you also have to acknowledge that we are here to help him bear
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his cross while we are on earth. So if there's a hardship that you're dealing with, you know,
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be that Simon of Cyrene and help our Lord carry the cross. Even, even if it hurts us, even if it,
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you know, is meant to kill us, it is, God has a better will, better understanding of our lives than
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we can ever think of. It's better than something we can. It's uncomparable. His plan for us. We're,
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we're human. So our concept of this life is very short and very brief. So I would say just trust God
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and everything, everything that you do and wake up every morning with prayer and thanks because not,
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not everyone gets to wake up every day and thank God. So just doing that, I would say, and talk to
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the family. Definitely have open conversations with the family. If your parents are still around
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or you have a sister or brother you can confide in, definitely having these open conversations
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because having everything bottled in doesn't, doesn't help anyone. Indeed, indeed. Nicola Blank,
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thank you so much for being with us and sharing your story. Thank you so much for the opportunity.
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God bless you. God bless you as well. And God bless all of you.
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We'll see you next time. And do keep Nicole and her husband and her little ones in your prayers.
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