The John-Henry Westen Show - Twin Baby Girls： Conjoined And Doomed To Die ｜ A Mother's Moving Testimony

00:00:00.000 I was starting to lose hope. And so God gives me this pregnancy, this very tough diagnosis,

00:00:05.840 and I'm just giving thanks to him. Even though I won't have that much time with my babies,

00:00:11.480 I'm just giving thanks. And my family members, some will think that I'm crazy for thanking him

00:00:18.100 for such a diagnosis, but that's what it is. It's a gift.

00:00:22.220 Thank you.

00:00:52.220 This is why we strive to protect those that are most vulnerable and most discriminated against

00:00:58.740 the innocent child in the womb of their mothers. We live in an age and a time where you can go to

00:01:06.120 jail, as in the UK, for simply praying outside of an abortion center. But you would be celebrated

00:01:13.680 for brutally killing your own child in the womb. Abortion is truly from Satan, who is from the 1.00

00:01:21.120 beginning a deceiver and murderer. And Satan leaves no room for doubt regarding this, as we see the 0.63

00:01:28.520 satanic temple fighting in American courts for their religious right to abortion, their marketing

00:01:35.220 of their abortion ritual, and their latest abortion temple. So those supporting abortion require no

00:01:42.680 reason to advocate the murder of children. However, they're quick to do so and call it mercy when it's

00:01:48.680 known that the baby in the womb suffers from any kind of medical difficulty. Children in the womb

00:01:55.200 that are diagnosed with illnesses and disabilities are massacred without a second thought, and their 0.72

00:02:00.060 parents are lauded for sparing their children a life of misery by having their children hacked to death

00:02:06.240 at the hands of an abortion. Studies have indicated that these diagnoses are often incorrect. But of

00:02:13.920 course, the disability and illness of a child can never be a reason to kill the children. They say in

00:02:19.700 today's day and age that they've almost eliminated certain disorders, you know, and what they're really

00:02:26.700 doing is they're killing the children, and they're calling that the great cure. The true act of mercy and love

00:02:34.400 is to let the child live. When we love someone, we want to spend as much time with them as we can

00:02:41.200 before their deaths. And that's why if we hear of a loved one being diagnosed with a life-threatening

00:02:46.460 disease, with only a few days to live, we'd rush to their bedsides to be with them, spend time with

00:02:51.680 them, rather than killing them the very same day. And won't this apply then to our children in the womb as

00:02:57.880 well? Even if the child is to die in the womb or be unable to survive life outside the womb, choosing to kill

00:03:05.160 them is unacceptable and inhuman. But when faced with these situations, in real life, there can be tremendous

00:03:14.200 pressure and confusion. My guest today is a young mother who's carrying conjoined twins who share one heart and other

00:03:23.940 organs. She's been pressured by people to kill her children through abortion. But as a powerful pro-life 1.00

00:03:31.620 witness, she has rejected these suggestions and decided instead to fight against abortion and share

00:03:37.280 the humanity of her babies. Before we get to Nicole, my next guest, I wanted to share a word about emergency

00:03:45.820 baptisms that apply in cases like this. So in cases of urgent necessity, and specifically with

00:03:53.600 cases of children under the age of seven, canon law requires that they be baptized without delay.

00:03:59.060 Look up canon 867 number 2. And when there is danger of the baby dying, there is no requirement that the

00:04:06.280 parents be present, that they be practicing Catholics or even married in the church. The church teaches that

00:04:11.260 in life and death situations in which a priest or deacon is not available, anyone, including Catholics,

00:04:17.600 even non-Catholics or non-Christians, and even non-theists, may baptize so long as they do so 0.82

00:04:23.700 in the correct manner and with the correct intention, that is, the intention to baptize.

00:04:28.760 The rite of baptism says, and I'll quote,

00:04:31.000 all laypersons, since they belong to the priestly people and especially parents, and by reason of their

00:04:37.100 work, catechists, obstetricians, nurses of the sick, as well as physicians and surgeons,

00:04:42.820 should know the proper method of baptizing in cases of necessity. That's from the rite of baptism

00:04:49.000 number 17. In the case of necessity, it goes on, example of the danger of death, the person who

00:04:55.100 baptizes pours water three times over the candidate's head or immerses the candidate three times in water,

00:05:01.260 simultaneously pronouncing the baptismal formula, which is this. State the name of the person, say,

00:05:07.680 John, John, I baptize you in the name of the Father. And when you say that, the minister of

00:05:13.900 pours water over the baby's head or a person's head or immerses them in water. And the name of

00:05:21.140 the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. And with each of the invocations in the name of the

00:05:27.020 Father, in the name of the Son, again, water's poured or immersed in the water. And of the Holy

00:05:32.500 Spirit, same thing, water poured or immersed in the water. So, water's poured three times over the

00:05:37.900 person's head while speaking the words, I baptize you in the name of the Father and of the Son and

00:05:43.760 of the Holy Spirit. You say his name first, of course, John or Susan or whatever it is, I baptize

00:05:48.240 you in the name of the Son. So, that's what we get. And then, a layperson who administers an emergency

00:05:54.760 baptism must at least have the intention to do what the church does when baptizing. And it's also

00:06:00.720 desirable that, as far as possible, one or two witnesses to the baptism be present.

00:06:06.680 And that's it. I mean, the rules are fairly simple. This used to be known by all doctors and nurses

00:06:11.780 in all hospitals, but is no longer the case very often. So, you should know it. Spread this truth.

00:06:18.680 Spread the word around of the need to baptize, especially in the cases of emergencies.

00:06:24.700 And now, to our guest, Nicole LeBlanc. Stay tuned.

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00:08:28.240 Nicole LeBlanc, welcome to the program. Thank you so much. Let's begin as we always do with the sign of

00:08:32.880 the cross. In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen. Amen.

00:08:39.360 So, Nicole, thanks for being with us. How far along in your pregnancy are you right now? 0.92

00:08:46.720 I'm currently in my 23-week, 23rd week of the pregnancy.

00:08:51.360 Wow. So you're dealing with this very difficult pregnancy. You've been warned. Tell us, what was

00:08:59.840 the diagnosis and how did you learn about that? I found out that I'm having thoracopagus

00:09:04.880 conjoined twins at 10 weeks gestational age. I went to the ER and that's where they diagnosed me

00:09:13.520 and the babies. The twins do run on my husband's side of the family, but nothing like this. This is

00:09:20.240 a one in 100,000 chance of happening per pregnancy. So it's been a very emotional ride and going through

00:09:30.720 all the very high intense maternal fetal medicine meetings. And this is not what a typical pregnancy

00:09:38.560 would look like. Did you experience pressure? I presume at such an early point in the pregnancy,

00:09:45.680 when they've discovered something like that, one of the major options on the table would be to

00:09:51.220 encourage you to terminate the pregnancy, as they'd say. Yeah, that was definitely something that they

00:09:57.600 were pushing. And the fact that I was at a Catholic hospital is what really took me back. 0.99

00:10:02.960 They did not perform abortions at this hospital, but they were wanting to know, since I was still

00:10:09.120 so early, what I wanted to do. So they were either going to transfer me to the major hospital, which

00:10:15.440 where I'm at right now, because the Catholic hospital, they said they had rules and regulations,

00:10:20.480 we can't do that, but we would be more than happy to transport you. And my husband and I firmly

00:10:26.000 said, absolutely not. This is just so impossible to even think about. It's brutal. And it's murder

00:10:34.160 of my own children. Why would I do that? Let's rewind a little bit, Nicole. Tell us about yourself,

00:10:41.200 about your marriage. How long have you been married? I got married to my wonderful spouse,

00:10:47.580 Austin, in August, August 20th, 2021, on the feast of St. Bernard of Clairvaux. So we've been married for

00:10:55.200 almost, it'll be two years this August, but still feels like we're in the honeymoon stage. We met when

00:11:01.760 I was 19, he was 20. So we were having a, we met at work. So we dated during that time. He lived very

00:11:09.760 close. So he was always at my house every day. And he's a convert to the Catholic faith. In 2020, during

00:11:17.440 all the shutdowns and everything, I was his sponsor. And he originally told me he was doing this because

00:11:24.160 I told him, I need to marry someone Catholic. If not, it's just not going to work out. So I went to 0.61

00:11:31.120 the RCIA classes with him and answered all of his questions. And at first he did it for me, but he

00:11:38.000 started learning and studying more. And he really fell in love with the faith, the Blessed Mother,

00:11:43.280 the Eucharist, Eucharistic Miracles, all of it. So it was a package deal. And we got married,

00:11:51.100 Catholic full ceremony. And he just, we both love the faith and he's teaching me more. So,

00:11:57.000 and me being a cradle Catholic, it's really refreshing to hear that. Yeah. Yeah. So we're

00:12:03.120 just, we go to mass, we go to a traditional Latin mass every Sunday for mass, pray the rosary daily.

00:12:09.280 With my mom, she's still very close by, my sisters. So very, I'm very close to my family

00:12:15.840 because we're Latina. So we have always there 24 seven. Beautiful. Yeah. So what gives you this

00:12:25.000 strong conviction about not offending our Lord, not, not harming your baby? Even in the face of the

00:12:33.420 kind of pressure, were you, you know, was it confusing for you? How did that feel like when you went through

00:12:38.240 that?

00:12:39.280 Yeah. When, when the doctors were telling me about their diagnosis, they were saying,

00:12:44.120 you're going to miscarry. And if you don't miscarry, the other option should be for you to

00:12:48.580 terminate because they're not expected to live long at all. They were surprised that I had made it all

00:12:55.840 the way to 16 weeks. So they were just really pressuring me and telling me that my life was also

00:13:03.120 on the line. For what reason? I don't know, because this is the same as any twin pregnancy. There's

00:13:10.060 always risks with pregnancies, but we're, we live in a time of modern medicine. Babies are born so

00:13:16.400 early on. I don't know if it was a scare tactic or for me to be a number, but yeah, I don't know why

00:13:24.140 they would want to push something so hard like that. And every single time that I would go to an

00:13:29.120 appointment, even when they transferred me to the university of Michigan hospital here,

00:13:34.080 they were still asking me, how would you like to proceed? And how would you like to continue?

00:13:38.960 Even after seeing my little babies jumping off the side of my womb, even after all of that with

00:13:47.640 their diagnosis and you can clearly see the organs that they have and what they share. It's, it's

00:13:54.180 nonsensical. The answer is yes. I'm yes to life. Now, obviously you guys have been thinking about this

00:14:00.820 and dealing with this. What does this look like? Is it going to have to be a C-section, I presume, or

00:14:07.500 how's that going to work? What plans have you already made? Yeah. So, um, it's impossible to

00:14:14.660 deliver two heads at once. So they would have to do a C-section at 35 weeks. Um, and this is another

00:14:22.160 scare tactic I think is the, the form of the C-section. So before they used to do the long

00:14:29.320 incision up and down abdominally, but, and that carries its own side of set of risks. So the doctors

00:14:35.740 were telling me, if we do have to do this long incision, your risks for, um, future pregnancies

00:14:41.520 is very high. Uh, you would have a lot of complications with future pregnancies and you can

00:14:47.320 only have C-sections after this and your babies, it could only be like two or three in the future

00:14:54.280 and they would have to be born five weeks early every single time. So, I mean, I would have loved to

00:15:01.440 carry, you know, as many babies as I could have. I'm a pretty generally healthy person overall,

00:15:08.720 but, uh, so we're just praying for what kind of C-section incision this will be. Cause if it's a

00:15:14.180 low transverse, uh, abdominal incision, the classical, uh, then I can try again, um, with

00:15:21.900 some complications, but nonetheless, it still is a massive surgery.

00:15:26.520 Yeah. So they're just trying to see the, the, the position of how they are, that will determine

00:15:33.400 what cut that they do. What have you and your husband discussed in terms of, you know, what

00:15:38.900 you're looking at, you know, in your lives with these children? Um, if the thought is, and have

00:15:44.580 you made preparation for baptism or anything like that, um, with your priests, I presume?

00:15:49.180 Yes. Um, something that, so they, the doctors now think that they can make it to 35 weeks,

00:15:55.920 be delivered then. And, uh, they have a whole team of palliative care. We meet with them. We're

00:16:02.560 going to have another meeting again. Uh, and I have expressed that I would like my husband in the room,

00:16:08.440 my mother in the operating room and the priest, so we can have them baptized. And we're trying to

00:16:14.160 figure it out. If hopefully God willing, they are born alive, they would be born, they would be

00:16:20.160 baptized in the minutes after they are delivered instead of hours after delivery, because their

00:16:27.040 prognosis is, um, you know, minutes to hours to weeks. Sometimes, uh, these babies can live for a

00:16:35.040 couple of months. And, um, but that's just overall what it is.

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00:17:43.420 the program. Now, these are your first children, uh, your first pregnancy. And, uh, you know, this has

00:17:53.400 happened. A lot of people faced with something like this would be very angry with God or rebel

00:18:01.320 or question their faith or question God. What's your response? Well, I have had a very tough diagnosis

00:18:10.260 before in my family. My father, he passed away when I was 15 of stage four pancreatic cancer. So I did have

00:18:18.520 that feeling when I was 14, 15, and I was upset that why would this happen to my father? He was a

00:18:26.320 devout Catholic man. He was receiving communion every single day, um, in hospice. He told me he was

00:18:34.240 doing this for the conversion of sinners, a very holy man. And I would question a lot of things. I had a lot

00:18:40.040 of questions and he firmly put his hand on the table and he was so sick. And the fact that he was

00:18:46.700 so passionate about our Lord and the faith really made me not question anything. Everything I do has

00:18:53.760 to be for the glory and honor of God. These babies are a miracle. The fact that they're still alive is

00:18:59.620 a miracle. So I have to give back to God all the graces that I've received from the suffering my dad had

00:19:05.900 or any of my suffering that I'm experiencing emotionally with their diagnosis. I'm, I plan to

00:19:14.080 have these babies for my entire life and to have them be with me. And the fact that that's not

00:19:20.980 going to be something that is possible. Um, it is very sad, but I know God is in control. How could

00:19:29.960 I be mad at him? These babies are meant for him. That story about your dad, I think is really

00:19:35.900 really, really moving. His firmness in his suffering is what, uh, instilled such a strong

00:19:44.300 faith in you. What a witness that is. Absolutely. Beautiful. What, um, your husband, what does he

00:19:53.660 think of all this? Um, this must be very difficult for him as well. What are his thoughts? What's he

00:19:59.000 shared with you? No, yeah. He's also been very pro-life and his upbringing. So we both kind of

00:20:06.560 looked at each other when they were telling us their diagnosis and we're like, this is impossible

00:20:11.720 for even to think about aborting our children. Um, I mean, we got married and we made a promise to God

00:20:18.220 to, you know, raise children to God and for him. And it's been, it's been very difficult on him.

00:20:25.840 At first, uh, he wanted to resort more to working on our small business and just, uh, doing whatever

00:20:32.900 he could to get his mind off of it. But as we grew more and more acceptance with their diagnosis,

00:20:39.920 we have just been praying more, just letting God do his work, not our will, but his be done. And

00:20:48.060 he's been very supportive, very, um, loving, especially in the first trimester. He has helped a lot.

00:20:55.320 And, um, I couldn't have had a better spouse in mind. God, God did a great job with Austin. 1.00

00:21:03.460 Beautiful. Now, um, are you okay if we show some of the photos of, uh, of your babies,

00:21:09.400 the ultrasound photos? Yes, that's okay. Beautiful. One thing you have to do is, um,

00:21:16.480 you know, I'm sure you'll be taking photos of the little ones when they're born, God willing,

00:21:19.980 and, uh, and baptized and everything else. Please, uh, come back and share that with us when,

00:21:25.020 when that happy day comes. No, absolutely. Yeah. I think these pictures, especially the ultrasounds

00:21:32.040 really show their humanity. And even with their, their, their closeness and proximity, it's kind of

00:21:38.340 hard to get clear pictures of them now, but they clearly have humanistic features. And I can't wait to

00:21:44.620 share that the humanity of these babies so early on. Now, one of the things that many people would

00:21:52.580 wonder about is how in the world do you maintain composure? Um, and I know you have hard days.

00:22:00.820 And so tell us about how you sort of get over that, because I think in allowing a glimpse into

00:22:10.360 your own pain and, you know, the way you overcome it or deal with it, I think would help a lot of

00:22:18.260 young people in dealing with the various traumas there. And there's many, many of them.

00:22:24.140 I have never really been a person to experience anxiety or have panic attacks. I would get stressed

00:22:29.940 out at school exams and whatnot, but nothing where my life was on the line, like how the doctors are

00:22:36.740 telling me now or trying to scare me. So of course that is going to induce some sort of reaction.

00:22:42.820 Anxiety is just a human nature response. So when we're faced with difficult challenges as a Catholic,

00:22:50.680 you just have to cling to the rosary and our blessed mother. There is no other way. People tell me how

00:22:56.380 strong I am. And I'm really like, no, I'm really not strong a person at all. Uh, everything that I

00:23:04.380 have is through the prayers. People are praying for me. I think that's very important. My family members

00:23:09.660 that have kind of fallen away are thinking about things now and questioning things. And my, I really

00:23:17.460 think my daughters are really teaching me what strength is because they are fighters and they're 0.57

00:23:24.180 so tiny yet I can feel them. And it makes me want to be stronger for them. Even with one umbilical

00:23:31.780 core that they have, they're taking all of my nutrients, but so be it. I am their mother. That

00:23:36.660 is my job as a mother is to support them. And yeah, days can be hard on me, especially I get anxiety

00:23:45.940 sometimes and I'll be with my mom or, um, Austin and we'll just take a minute and just pray and just

00:23:53.460 let Jesus be giving me the peace that he has. And again, the rosary really helps me and Gregorian

00:24:02.100 chants. I'll just lay back and just listen and just be, be with, um, be with God. Yeah.

00:24:08.820 Very interestingly, this situation with you, which could have caused you to lose faith,

00:24:15.620 many people around you to lose faith, to rebel against God. You're suggesting that it's actually

00:24:22.580 causing people in your family to turn to the faith.

00:24:25.860 Yes. Um, for me, it is a gift. I, I didn't think I would be able to be pregnant. We

00:24:32.020 were, um, trying just letting God's will work and it was almost a year. And I was thinking,

00:24:39.940 oh, it's just, it's never going to happen. We're both 23. How can this be that we're not

00:24:45.220 conceiving yet? And so it took 10 months for us. So finally, um, I was starting to lose hope. And so

00:24:51.700 God gives me this pregnancy. It was very tough diagnosis and I'm just giving thanks to him. Even

00:24:58.740 though I won't have that much time with my babies, I'm just giving thanks. And my family members,

00:25:04.900 some will think that I'm crazy for thanking him for such a diagnosis, but that's what it is. It's

00:25:11.620 a gift. Some people aren't as fortunate as I am to have babies. And it is a struggle going to church

00:25:18.980 every week and seeing the pregnant moms and they have a pew full of beautiful babies and children. And

00:25:25.300 some women, they long for that. It is in our human nature as women to want babies. 1.00

00:25:32.820 And it doesn't matter how they're formed or how they were conceived. Um, it's just,

00:25:40.340 it's a miracle. And that's what I have to keep on telling family members and those non-believers.

00:25:45.140 Uh, they, um, they see the pictures of the little baby and the heartbeat at seven weeks. Um, that's

00:25:53.700 when they did the earliest appointment, but it's just, it's a miracle.

00:25:57.780 Now you found out they're baby girls. Have you thought of names yet?

00:26:01.540 Yes. Yes. Um, I didn't want to really know. I wanted to be surprised. Um, but since they were

00:26:09.140 saying, Oh, you're going to miss Carrie and you're not going to have much time. Um, we were like,

00:26:13.780 okay, well, we got to pick special names. So we picked Maria Therese and Rachel Clare.

00:26:20.980 Beautiful. Beautiful. Now with these little ones, um, you know, one of the things you've

00:26:30.580 probably already consecrated them to our lady and, and do you, do you, you as a mother,

00:26:35.860 I'm sure feel a connection to these little ones. How about your husband? I've found in, in my travels

00:26:42.260 this way. It's, it's more difficult that way. Well, from the very beginning, um, he would always

00:26:49.380 kiss my belly and talk to the baby. And I was like, you know, there might be two in there because

00:26:56.660 this nausea is pretty bad, but every single day he would talk to them and tell them how loved that

00:27:05.940 they are and how much dad loves them. And I will talk to my girls and I'll say, you know,

00:27:11.780 dad made some really great homemade pancakes this morning and they, they really like when I eat

00:27:18.260 sugary things, but, um, I'll tell them all the great things that he does for us, for the three of us.

00:27:25.220 And they, I know that they feel loved by, by their dad.

00:27:29.220 Beautiful. Beautiful. What are your, what would your words be for, uh, young people struggling with

00:27:38.740 all sorts of different, um, hardships and challenges in their lives? What would your advice for them be?

00:27:47.700 I would say first contact some sort of priest or spiritual director, even if they're not Catholic,

00:27:55.860 they need to speak to someone with a religious point of view. Um, but yeah, obviously if you're

00:28:01.700 Catholic, talk to a priest first and go to mass, go to confession and go to mass. Um, I feel a great

00:28:09.220 relief whenever I go to confession, I will, you know, talk about the anxieties that I'm feeling because

00:28:14.340 that also doesn't really belong to God. So I want to guest all, cast all my worries to God and leave

00:28:22.580 it at the foot of the cross. But you also have to acknowledge that we are here to help him bear

00:28:28.500 his cross while we are on earth. So if there's a hardship that you're dealing with, you know,

00:28:34.900 be that Simon of Cyrene and help our Lord carry the cross. Even, even if it hurts us, even if it,

00:28:42.420 you know, is meant to kill us, it is, God has a better will, better understanding of our lives than

00:28:49.300 we can ever think of. It's better than something we can. It's uncomparable. His plan for us. We're,

00:28:55.860 we're human. So our concept of this life is very short and very brief. So I would say just trust God

00:29:04.420 and everything, everything that you do and wake up every morning with prayer and thanks because not,

00:29:10.900 not everyone gets to wake up every day and thank God. So just doing that, I would say, and talk to

00:29:17.700 the family. Definitely have open conversations with the family. If your parents are still around

00:29:22.980 or you have a sister or brother you can confide in, definitely having these open conversations

00:29:28.820 because having everything bottled in doesn't, doesn't help anyone. Indeed, indeed. Nicola Blank,

00:29:36.980 thank you so much for being with us and sharing your story. Thank you so much for the opportunity.

00:29:42.860 God bless you. God bless you as well. And God bless all of you.

00:29:47.700 We'll see you next time. And do keep Nicole and her husband and her little ones in your prayers.

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The John-Henry Westen Show - March 27, 2023

Twin Baby Girls： Conjoined And Doomed To Die ｜ A Mother's Moving Testimony

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