Unpacking Pope Francis' war on Latin Mass Catholics and why it matters for everyone else
Summary
Breaking news out of Rome over the weekend has Catholics looking forward to their traditional Christmas celebrations, the most traditional being those who attend the Latin Mass, which has, for centuries, been the way to do things in the Catholic Church. And yet, the week before Christmas, there s breaking news that there s going to be a crackdown on the traditional Latin Mass.
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There was breaking news out of Rome over the weekend.
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Many people in the week before Christmas looking forward to their traditional Christmas celebrations,
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the most traditional, of course, being those who attend the traditional Latin Mass,
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which has, for not only centuries, but for over a millennia in the Catholic Church, been the way to do things.
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Yes, there was some suppression back in the 60s, but since about 600, Catholics have had this Mass,
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and arguably, since the beginning of the time with the Apostles, they had the Roman canon.
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And always in that language that was with the Church, that's still considered the official language of the Church Latin.
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And yet, out of Rome came over the weekend, the week before Christmas,
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once all these celebrations are already prepared for,
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news that there's going to be a crackdown on the traditional Latin Mass.
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Some of the most insane things you can imagine, like,
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a priest is not allowed to advertise a traditional Latin Mass in the parish bulletin.
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Like, a priest who has already said his Sunday Mass cannot celebrate a traditional Latin Mass,
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which basically excludes the Latin Mass from almost all rural communities,
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where one priest is offering the Novus Ordo, the new Mass, if you will, in English or whatever language,
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and then the traditional Latin Mass for those who want that.
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That permission, by the way, given by Pope Benedict himself,
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expressly asking the faithful, if they're interested in the traditional Mass,
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to apply for it, and that the Church should give generous allowance for it.
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And yet, that all seems to be crashing down upon us right now.
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You know, the Church, especially today, is so concerned about sacred traditions of Indigenous peoples,
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and saying sorry for having trampled upon those.
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And yet, here is the Pope himself hacking away at the roots of the Catholic Church.
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We have with us today Christopher Ferrara, a lawyer and one of the successful lawyers
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who challenged the COVID lockdown anti-Mass forbiddance in various states.
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You're going to want to stay tuned for this one.
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Not a good time to be talking about developments in the Church.
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It's a very sad time, but utterly predictable, given the trajectory of this pontificate.
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Well, let's begin, as we always do, with the sign of the cross.
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In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
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You're also someone who attends a traditional Latin Mass.
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You are, you know, someone who's been devoted to fighting for the rights of Catholics
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And yet, here we are, week for Christmas, you are confronted with this.
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If you can, unpack this latest communication from Rome for us.
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Well, it comes in the form of answers to dubia.
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Father Zee and others have noted that this is obviously a charade.
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So, for example, who would seriously ask the question, can a priest binate if he celebrates
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In other words, if he offers the Novo Zorro on a particular day, can he then offer the
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The other question, can a priest who has permission to celebrate the traditional Mass
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have that permission to extend outside of the diocese in which it was granted?
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Under the 1984 Indults, if you had an Indults, you had an Indults.
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You could celebrate the traditional Mass wherever you happen to be as a priest in the world.
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These are additional restrictions that go beyond traditionis custodis, presented in the form
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of these phony dubia that Father Zee and others have rightly ridiculed as, again, a put-up
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job, so that they could introduce new restrictions, pretending that they're really interpreting
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Now, these are new restrictions, and what's happening, I think, is that Francis is seeing
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that the bishops are finding ways around his arbitrary commands by, for example, dispensing
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from universal law, assuming this qualifies as universal law, in that particular diocese,
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or just ignoring it and letting things go on as before.
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This pope clearly intends, as these dubia should make clear to anybody now, to eradicate the
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In his mind, it's just a matter of time before he suffocates the traditional Mass movement,
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which is a movement of young people, and this dismays him and infuriates him.
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Just a matter of time before he suffocates it, he thinks he can make it go away, but he
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It's impossible for a pope to abrogate a received and approved rite of Mass in the
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Church that goes back to the time of St. Gregory the Great, who died in 604, and the canon,
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as you noted, arguably goes all the way back to the Apostles.
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Cardinal Ratzinger said it would be alien to the spirit of the Church to abolish the traditional
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And as Pope Benedict said, that a pope is not an absolute monarch whose thoughts and
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Well, apparently we have a pontiff right now who thinks that his thoughts and desires are
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law, and that's what these dubia are all about.
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And I would say that, with St. Augustine, an unjust law is no law at all, and it doesn't
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We Catholics don't say, if authority has spoken, that is good and must be obeyed merely because
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The pope is the supreme ruler of the Church, but there is no absolute ruler anywhere in
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We came from a tradition, if you will, I mean, people of our age, let's say, most raised under
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We came through Benedict, and he was always there anyway.
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You wanted a mass, for most of us not having experienced the traditional Latin mass, but
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everybody knew they wanted a mass that was not the crazy clown masses of what happened
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right after the council when they were doing experimentation with, you know, dancing and
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By the way, which, of course, Cardinal Bergoglio, before he was Pope Francis, had participated in
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Everybody can already see that was a bit really weird.
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People dancing and clapping and bringing up all sorts of things and maybe smoking something
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odd in the aisles and stuff that's not incense.
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Okay, let's just have a normal, what you would call, I guess, a traditional Novus Ordo or
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whatever, and that was sort of the way forward and people had the traditional Latin mass already
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and then came Benedict with a more generous acceptance of that, all wonderful and good.
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And there was sort of like a go along and get along kind of respect for one another.
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I just saw a post, a video by Father Mark Goring, no traditional priest at all.
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He's a charismatic priest, but he has great love for his brothers and sisters who love tradition.
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So he puts out this video where he basically says some reasons why he is supporting in
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love those traditional Catholics that he knows well and saying why this new move is a bad
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There is that goodwill among Catholics of these different traditions.
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You might call them, it's almost like different rites.
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But anyway, it's these different traditions that celebrate the mass, all loving Jesus, but
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You see, with Pope Francis, it's like one of those priests or folks from that turn of
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time when they went against the traditional mass and introduced the new mass, who liked
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the puppet mass, liked the kind of dancing in sheer outfits, liked the kind of like, maybe
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let's celebrate mass with as many women as possible on the altar and perhaps can celebrate
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with a woman or a deaconess maybe that looks like it could be a celebration.
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We all thought that was, you know, oh no, that's not really what we're supposed to, but that
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Well, I think we're dealing with someone who is nothing less than a modernist in mentality.
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He himself said at the opening to his rather ludicrous synod on synodality that we don't
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need to create a new church, but a different church.
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So we have a Pope who thinks he can create a different church.
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And the reason that the charismatics are sympathetic and other people are sympathetic, even cultural
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commentators, one of them, a French atheist intellectual whose name escapes me, are sympathetic
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is because they see a brutal abuse of power and the destruction of part of the cultural patrimony
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of the Western world, the foundation of our entire civilization, the liturgical civilization
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that was Christendom for more than a thousand years.
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Christopher Dawson put it most succinctly when he said, for a millennium, Christianity was
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And the basis for that society, that civilization, was the liturgy.
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John Milbank, an Anglican scholar, has said, only a liturgical civilization can save us
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Well, he is an enemy of that liturgical civilization.
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He talks about flexibility and condemns rigidity, but he is the most rigid Pope I have seen in
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And the reason we have sympathy from outside traditionalist circles is people know a brutal
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abuse of power, a gratuitous imposition on the rights of people when they see one.
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And they're outraged by it, and they should be.
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Pope Francis has really been a revolutionary in many, many ways.
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For us who operate in the moral realm, you know, life's that we pay attention to life
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and family especially, the very alarming things with the sort of nod and appreciation of cohabitation,
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which he said, and I quote, is real marriage and has the grace of real marriage.
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For when he basically said, in grave circumstances, you can allow for contraception if Zika virus
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is in question, he said, and repeatedly over and over again, about how same-sex civil marriage
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And people didn't believe it at first, but after it's repeated three, four, five times,
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both in planes and then on a movie interview, sorry, it gets out there.
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So there's all these things, these, you know, promotion of Father James Martin, now of New
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Ways Ministries, and the Vatican sort of following in lockstep.
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Do you see a relationship between that and what's going on with the Latin Mass right now?
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Well, of course, we have a Pope who is, as you say, a revolutionary.
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And what's remarkable is we've had revolutionary developments in the Church for 50 years, but
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this Pope has taken it to a quantum level, a quantum leap has happened.
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Now we see an attack, even on the fundamental precepts of the natural law.
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Not too long ago, I think it was back in August, he said during the opening address to his,
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not the opening address, but in another address, it was an airborne press conference.
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Because I know that it is Christ who justifies me.
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Our Lord said, if you love me, keep my commandments.
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He who keeps my commandments abides in me, and I abide in him.
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The way to be justified is through the grace of God to keep the commandments.
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They are absolutes, especially the negative precepts.
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So the frightening development with this pontificate is he's gone beyond just attacking liturgical
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tradition, which is catastrophic enough, attacking the precepts of the natural law, right and
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And the natural law binds all men, regardless of their religion.
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All men are bound by the commandment, thou shalt not commit adultery.
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Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
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All of the negative precepts of the Decalogue are absolutes by their very nature because
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they are divine condemnations of intrinsic evils as to which there is no exception whatsoever.
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He's trying to create exceptions to intrinsic evils.
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If you look at Amoris Laetitia, he reduces the negative precepts, especially in the sections
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of paragraph 300 to 305 thereabouts in the document.
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He reduces them to benchmarks or ideals, which people in their concrete circumstances may
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Even the ordinary grace suffices to keep the negative precepts of the natural law.
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You don't need to be a Catholic to avoid adultery.
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St. Thomas teaches that although in many cases applications of the natural law can be obscure,
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He's attempting in various ways, especially with Amoris Laetitia, to obscure the very difference
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I really feel for my brothers and sisters who are at traditional parishes, because you're
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leading up to one of the most sacred times of the year.
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It's not Easter, but the second most sacred time of Christmas, when all your liturgical
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As I understand it, this restricts also marriages in the traditional form and ordinations in the
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His intention is to extirpate the traditional Latin liturgical tradition from the church
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and to kill off all the vocations that are attached to it.
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So, for example, he says, I have abrogated the Roman ritual, the pontifical ritual, the
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By abrogating those rituals which the bishops perform, he prevents the traditional ordination
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of bishops, of priests, rather, according to the traditional rite.
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But that's why they joined the fraternity, young men who went to the seminary, to be ordained
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in the traditional manner to offer the Latin mass.
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He's attempting here to kill off vocations to the traditional seminaries.
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It's perfectly obvious what he's attempting to do.
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Well, I tell you, I've been a member of the traditionalist opposition since I returned to
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the church after my pagan wanderings, as I noted in the remnant, for more than 30 years
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What we do is we simply carry on with the traditions.
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We carry on with what has been handed down to us.
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And I've always said in things that I've written and in talks that I've given that
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you cannot find in the documents of Vatican II or in any of the teachings of the post-conciliar
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popes, including this one, strangely enough, any command to follow a doctrine or dogma that
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was not a doctrine or dogma of the church before the Second Vatican Council.
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There's nothing in the council documents, nothing in any of the pronouncements of the
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magisterium since then, that compels us to believe or to do anything that was not part
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So we just go on practicing the faith as before.
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If he tells us we can't do it in a parish church, we find some other place.
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I remember a time when people had to go to Latin masses in hotel lobbies and independent
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Some of those chapels, by the way, are still owned by civil corporations.
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And maybe it's a good thing that they are, given this development.
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He cannot order us to cease practicing the faith of our fathers.
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Let's say, for a bishop who wants to do the right thing, but not get his head lomped off,
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But is a bishop within his moral rights to basically ignore this and just carry on as
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And also for a priest, what are their—they're basically trying to be good Catholic priests,
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trying to follow, you know, what they should, Christ's will, and in obedience as they're
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The church has always taught the primacy of conscience.
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A well-formed conscience has primacy over a command that causes one to violate one's
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conscience, if the command is unjust and immoral.
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If it's a moral command, you have to follow it, because then your conscience would not be
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This is obviously an unjust and immoral command.
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You cannot publish the Latin mass in a parish bulletin.
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You cannot celebrate more than one Latin mass in a day in a parish where it's stretched in
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and a priest has to assist in souls, in the divine worship of souls.
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These commands are, as lawyers would say, ultra-virus, beyond the authority of the pope.
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You cannot abolish liturgical observances or liturgical rites or give commands that are ridiculous.
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I mean, to use an analogy, let's assume the pope said, I want everyone in every parish
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where there's a marble altar to get sledgehammers and smash the altars to smithereens because
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Well, what if the pope says, I want you to destroy the traditional liturgy?
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So if you're a priest in conscience, your conscience is telling you you cannot follow
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You have to follow your own individual conscience.
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As to the bishops, they could find ways around this.
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If they can't allow the traditional mass in parishes, according to this unjust and immoral
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command, they could always establish places where the mass would be offered.
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Call it something that's equivalent to a parish.
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And I'm hoping that a lot of bishops will just silently go on with the status quo and pretend
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they haven't heard this nonsense in the form of these pretend dubia.
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I saw one priest on Twitter advertising in his bulletin not the Latin mass on the 31st, but
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he said between the 30th and the 1st, there will be a different type of mass other than
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Yeah, well, yeah, that's ironic because this pope who spent more than eight years ridiculing
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the doctors of the law who hold the law over people's heads and beat them with a stick,
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there's no more rigorous legalistic pope than this one.
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Just look at these dubia with their ridiculous specifications.
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You can't say the Latin mass on a weekday if he said the Novus Ordo mass.
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You can't publish notification of a Latin mass in a parish bulletin.
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This pope, I have to say, in all honesty, is everything he accuses others of being.
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Judgmental, rigoristic, intolerant, non-inclusive.
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A liberal is constantly projecting onto others his own defects, and that's exactly what's
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It's very interesting that you are the one speaking to me about this.
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You mentioned in the beginning Anglicans, other members of other faiths being interested
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in this, what's going on right now, showing support for traditional Latin mass Catholics.
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Catholics, you've represented rabbis in terms of their fight for freedom to worship.
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What would you, in your opinion, what would you think that they would see in what's going
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on with the Catholics right now, the traditional rabbis, that is?
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There's an interesting parallel development here in civil society and in the church, and
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The unclean ones are to be banished from the life of the society, whether it's the ecclesial
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In civil society, the unclean ones are the unvaccinated.
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And now we see a determined effort to create a two-tiered society, a caste system in which
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the unvaccinated will be second-class citizens.
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And in the Catholic church, we have the unclean ones, the traditionalists, who must be purged,
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confined, quarantined, as if they were the harbingers of a deadly virus.
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Now, with the Orthodox Jews that I've represented, we have a lot of commonality.
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I have this conversation with them, which is not privilege, this is just commentary on
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We note the parallel between the Orthodox, who are ridiculed as extremists by their fellow
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Jews, and the traditionalists, who are ridiculed as extremists by liberal Catholics, by modernist
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Catholics, and by this Pope, who spent the past eight years mocking them, insulting them, condemning
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them, ceaselessly, almost every day, the Pope who says we must not be judgmental.
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So the Orthodox Jews are pretty much in the same position.
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They're countercultural in civil society, and they're counter the religious currents among
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Judaism, because on social issues like abortion, they're in line with our thinking, and on all
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So we have a lot in common with them, and it's my privilege to represent them in these
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religious liberties cases, because they were the victims of the church closures that, thank
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God, because of certain victories we won in various federal courts, are now a thing of
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I don't think even with this Omicron hysteria, we're going to see church closures again.
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So what we need is a form of liberation in the church that corresponds to what happened
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We have to stop the closures of traditional mass locations and the closures of traditional
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mass orders that this Pope obviously intends to impose, if he can get away with it.
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And again, the solution to what he intends to do is simply to go on practicing the faith.
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Excommunicate the fraternity of St. Peter if it says no?
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Is he going to excommunicate the Institute of Christ the King?
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Is he going to excommunicate the entire church attached to the traditional mass?
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You mentioned before we got on the air, Suarez's, or maybe someone else did, someone else I was
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talking to today, mentioned Suarez's hypothetical.
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This was a reductio ad absurdum in his tract on charity.
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He said, suppose you had a Pope who excommunicated the entire church.
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Such a Pope, said Suarez, would be a schismatic Pope.
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And what do you do with this reductio ad absurdum Pope?
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Now, that reductio ad absurdum is unfortunately, tragically, almost apocalyptically, the reality we're facing today.
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We have a Pope who says the Ten Commandments are not absolute.
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We have a Pope who is chummy with homosexual couples, who thinks gay marriage in the form of civil union is okay, as long as you don't call it marriage.
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And who now thinks that he can abolish the immemorial received and approved rite of mass in the Roman Catholic Church because he's annoyed.
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If you read Traditiones Custodos, he basically cites his rationale as, I'm incensed by some of the things some traditionalists are saying which cause division.
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Division from the catastrophe over which he presides and a retreat from it into places where there is an oasis of tradition.
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We have seen in the last number of years a tremendous growth in traditional Latin mass parishes, particularly where they're available and sometimes where they're not.
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There was none in, you know, in some places where they cropped up actually during this time of coronavirus because people had no access to their regular masses.
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Obviously, the Lord's hand is upon those doing that, and there will be no success in trying to crush what God wants.
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What infuriates the most is that the young people are attracted to this liturgy.
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It must have been eight, nine years ago before Francis was even pope.
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The title of the article in The Economist was, It's Trendy to be a Traditionalist.
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Horror of horror is the young people are the head of this movement.
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If you look at the pilgrimage, the short for pilgrimage every year, the average age is, what, low 20s, maybe even younger.
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Last time we did it, Foley was, I think I was 62.
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But it's a young people's movement, and he cannot understand this.
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If you read one of his interviews, he says, well, there's something wrong with these young people.
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You'll find some mental defect in these young people.
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This is how a revolutionary looks at the opposition, as people who should be characterized as insane and confined and removed from society.
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These are words from the scriptures quoted in Father Mark Goring's little piece, little video on this, which I encourage you to watch.
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He talked about the warning of Gamaliel, when in the scriptures Gamaliel warns the Sanhedrin or the leaders at the time, those going after the followers of Christ, that, well, no, just let it play out.
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Otherwise, if you go and try and crush this, you're going to find yourself unsuccessful because you're fighting against God.
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And I think this is a war that he's going to lose.
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And he has been doing it for eight years with his endless insults and condemnations.
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And now these provisions designed to exterminate traditional mass, it can't succeed.
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Christopher Farrar, thank you for being with us on this episode of the John Henry Weston Show.
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And let me say to all of you out there, but don't see you again.
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And especially to my friends who are attending the traditional Latin Mass, we're praying with you.
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We're begging your prayers for us at your traditional Latin Masses, which will keep going.
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We have been warning everyone who would listen and attempting to build up alternative platforms to continue to reach you.
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We have established ourselves on all sorts of platforms I'm going to explain in a minute, but the most important thing to do is come direct to LifeSiteNews.com, because there we will always be.
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But we've also established ourselves on platforms like Parler and MeWe, and our videos can be found on Rumble as well.
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We would love to see each of you on those platforms too, as they are not censoring or suppressing the truth that we are sharing every single day.
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More than these alternative social media platforms, we highly encourage you to subscribe to our email newsletter.
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We have really built up a large list of loyal readers on our email marketing platform.
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And we have prepared several backup plans for, well, I want to say if, but it's really when, we are removed from our current platform as well.
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Additionally, I really encourage you, as I said before, to make it a regular habit to go directly to LifeSiteNews.com.
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While all of these different platforms are an excellent way to curate your news, going directly to our website means that you will never encounter any censorship
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or sudden loss of LifeSiteNews.com or sudden loss of LifeSiteNews reporting.
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We founded this organization with the mission to be the life, family, and culture source for men and women who seek to know the truth.
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We have established a track record of honest reports, and this will never stop.
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Even with censorship happening around the globe.
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Again, I'm encouraging you to join us on Parler, MeWe, Rumble, and on our email list.
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You can find all the direct links in the description of this video.
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May God bless you and keep you, and we are so thankful that you've chosen to follow and support LifeSiteNews.
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I'm John Henry Weston, co-founder and editor-in-chief of LifeSiteNews.