The John-Henry Westen Show - UNSCRIPTED： The Jews, Young People and the Reality of Hell

00:00:00.000 What's happened is that our young people have recognized the rot that this has embedded in our

00:00:05.420 society, and it's for us then to trace back and see how does that fit in.

00:00:12.680 Hi, my friends. I am here with Catholic Unscripted, who most of you know them, but if you don't,

00:00:19.260 Mark Lambert and Catherine Bennett are superstars over in England where they are paving the way

00:00:25.140 for faithful Catholics in England to find the truth. They've got an extremely popular program

00:00:31.380 to show on YouTube, and it is really giving to Catholics in England the truth. They've got an

00:00:41.280 audience that spans from young people, whoever he is trying to reach, to older people who are

00:00:47.900 discovering tradition for the first time and who are also just coming to realize, oh my gosh,

00:00:52.560 look at that, the faith of my youth is still alive somewhere. So welcome to the both of you. Thank

00:00:58.360 you for being here in Tampa, Florida. Unbelievable. I only get to see these guys never on their home

00:01:03.720 turf, and they never on mine, actually. Very interesting show for you. We're going to talk

00:01:08.940 about the untouchables, about the Jews, about those young people, and about the reality of hell. 0.86

00:01:16.060 Catherine, we're going to start with you. You gave an incredible presentation here at,

00:01:22.080 it's a Regina magazine conference, Catholic magazine in America. Your topic was about young

00:01:29.780 people, but through the lens of the very popular TV show Friends. Tell us about that.

00:01:35.200 I wanted to show how Friends, the sitcom, had a huge impact on my generation. So we'd be millennials,

00:01:42.340 millennials, and my children now range from late twenties to early teens. And one thing I noticed

00:01:50.320 when I was working with young people and in schools and things is just how much of an impact

00:01:56.020 that sitcom had. It wasn't just harmless. See, this is the idea. People say, oh, it's harmless. Don't

00:02:02.440 worry about it. It's just a lighthearted show. And I know it's one of many, but I do think that

00:02:07.280 that show was pivotal. It was really pivotal. And it really didn't just influence a generation,

00:02:14.360 especially my generation, but it evangelised. It really did take young people and say,

00:02:20.700 we're offering you this consequence-free life. Sin became, you know, it's not about sin. It's about

00:02:29.320 doing what you want, living a life of pleasure without consequence and women being liberated 0.67

00:02:37.560 and independent. And the danger I said is that in real life, if you live that way, those consequences

00:02:47.860 will come back to bite you. And what we're seeing is I think my generation have seen that. And now it's

00:02:54.360 available for the younger generation. I know my women my age are showing it to their children saying,

00:02:59.700 oh, it's fine. It's a 12, it's a 15, however old. And it's perfectly acceptable. And those young

00:03:06.720 people then have anxiety, depression, they're using contraception, all of these things. And those

00:03:14.760 parents are saying, we don't, we can't connect the dots. So the talk I gave today was about how we can

00:03:20.800 connect the dots between a show like Friends, and perhaps even especially Friends, and the way in

00:03:26.500 which it has evangelised, and what our role is as Catholics who have the truth, to say, we need to

00:03:31.520 recapture that ground. We need to tell stories that are true, good and beautiful, and overcome these lies.

00:03:37.720 So the distortions you were mentioning come through, there's a gay character on Friends It's Enough?

00:03:43.100 Yeah. Yeah.

00:03:44.040 And how does that work? How is it presented?

00:03:45.620 Yeah, so the very first episode of a very long running show starts with a man whose wife has

00:03:51.800 left him for another woman. And he goes to his friend and says, oh, you know, what if there's

00:03:55.740 only one woman for one man? And his friend says, what do you mean one woman for one man? That's

00:04:00.940 like saying there's only one flavour of ice cream. You've got vanilla, chocolate, cherry, whatever.

00:04:05.220 And the final note is, grab a spoon, you know, grab a spoon, tuck in. And it's like that sets the scene

00:04:13.280 for the next, you know, 10 seasons or something. And it really is, don't be so stupid. Don't be so 1.00

00:04:20.560 stupid. You really think that those traditional values that you may have heard your grandparents 1.00

00:04:24.960 speaking about are anything but oppressive. That was the message.

00:04:28.660 It's really funny because the way you described it was, I think, very appropriate for especially

00:04:34.740 today's youth, because these shows are smart. They're all beautiful people. They're living the high

00:04:40.940 life or life. Where? Where's the set in? New York. It's in New York and like downtown, massive

00:04:46.340 apartments and they're drinking. You said they drink coffee all day. So I think one of the

00:04:52.620 things that comes back to bite if anybody tries the lifestyle is massive debt and total

00:04:57.700 impoverishment. Take us through at least one of the scenarios and its real life consequence

00:05:04.600 versus their, you know, it has none. Yeah. One of the things I also mentioned in my talk

00:05:09.680 is the work of sociologist Jean Baudrillard. And he talks about four stages of the image.

00:05:16.080 The first stage is the icon and it's rooted in reality. And then it moves to distortion of

00:05:21.480 reality through propaganda, where it still nods to reality, but distorts it. Then to a kind

00:05:27.880 of Disneyland, which pretends there's a fake world versus the real world. But it's kind of melding

00:05:33.760 into one. And then finally to what you might now say is we're in stage four in terms of

00:05:39.420 what's being propagated and propelled to us through media, through images, which is images

00:05:45.480 just referencing back to the image and the whole ground of reality is gone. On Friends

00:05:50.100 we see the gay storyline and then that's celebrated. That episode alone, the one with the lesbian wedding

00:05:56.900 was so influential that it helped propel the path for same-sex marriage to be legalised across

00:06:03.100 all 50 states in the US. That's the influence it had. And that's before you get into the

00:06:07.360 character who the joke is he sleeps with loads of women. You don't see those women. You don't

00:06:12.480 see the damage it's caused, the contraception, the women utilised and discarded, medicated.

00:06:20.340 And then the strange story of the surrogacy between, you know, a boy who needs to ask his

00:06:26.100 sister to carry his babies. And again, it's all celebratory.

00:06:29.100 Okay, so you're working and you understand a lot about young people, your audience is kind

00:06:33.940 of young, but you've noticed something about a hugely controversial topic that is supposed

00:06:39.360 to be mum and yet it's the one where all of the big influencers who are pretty negative for young

00:06:47.360 people are talking about. And one of those taboo topics is the Jews. Tell us about that and your

00:06:53.280 thoughts as to why and what's this all about. It's becoming more and more apparent, we can see in our

00:06:58.860 work with young people, our work online and some of the feedback, that the the Jews is verboten, you

00:07:06.720 know, so the Jewish question I think was something that was always addressed in the church. If you look

00:07:12.880 at, if you look going back at the tradition of the church, addressed in a way that recognised the dignity, the inherent value of all human

00:07:20.060 persons, but recognise the spiritual reality that manifests, and how does one deal with that?

00:07:27.980 But I'd say maybe my generation, I'm not yet 50, but almost, were probably the last to grow up in this post

00:07:35.900 Second World War narrative, the introduction and growth of the United Nations, this kind of, what's his name, the Japanese guy, Fukuyama, the end of history, you know, year zero. It's like, we're starting to be a

00:07:50.040 starting history from here. And this is the narrative, and you cannot question it. And no one did. I didn't. And what we've noticed

00:07:57.960 now with young people is that they are starting to question things. And one of the things they're questioning is the narrative around what can and cannot be said about the Jews and about Israel. What they're finding is when they want to ask questions, they're being shut down. Now, the problem with that is, when you try to explore something, and you're immediately shut down, it's only going to make you more

00:08:20.020 interested to know why. And so my concern is that it's going to push people who have legitimate questions about whether they've been told the truth about certain things, whether they have been told that they're being named, the word antisemitism is used to shut people down as well. They have legitimate questions that need to be addressed. But my worry is it pushes them into the dark corners of the internet, where they look at figures like, let's say, Nick Fuentes, let's say, not necessarily

00:08:50.000 on the Jews, but on masculinity, but on masculinity, for example, Andrew Tate. And so they've been pushed into these extreme corners, because they're not getting answers from people, and particularly, especially the church and their figures and fathers and leaders who are prepared to engage in those conversations. So I think that's one thing that I think we're going to have to address going forward.

00:09:10.880 It's so interesting to me that here, a lot of this is spawned by October 7. And because the world witnessed, mainly through on everyone's phones, a genocide happened, we saw it, like in real time. And whereas, you know, a lot of the journalists like myself, I was very skeptical. Are we seeing real images? You can check them out. And yes, you are. And that's terrible.

00:09:38.880 But the young people, I think they absorbed that much quicker. They have a sense of that. So they could see that on the one hand, and then there was silence from the church.

00:09:48.160 If it's true that this is happening, and it's true that there are so many Catholics, the orders of nuns are there, they've bombed every single Catholic church, every single Catholic hospital, and every single Catholic school. 0.89

00:10:03.280 That's what they're getting from what they're watching. And then they watch people who are over there. They might even hear if they do from the bishops of the Holy Land.

00:10:11.760 But their own bishops is radio science. It is so weird. And that drives, I think, drives a massive curiosity, just like you were saying about feminism. It's another taboo topic. You're not allowed to talk about it. If you can, like 30 seconds on feminism, what you said was super beautiful. But yeah, go ahead.

00:10:33.380 Yeah, just on that, very briefly, I was going to say, a number of Catholics were killed during the Second World War in Dachau, a number of Catholic priests. And again, that's something that is not discussed, because it's overshadowed by the unquestionable, you know, narrative.

00:10:51.580 And that's not to say what we've been told or what's received is not true. But it's to say there are other elements that shouldn't be off the table. Because what we learn there is a value in suffering in what happened in Dachau. And that is something we don't want to lose from that story.

00:11:11.600 Feminism, what did I say about feminism? Oh, dear. Where do I begin? 1.00

00:11:14.700 Well, I think beginning from the end, because your ending was so beautiful about the reality of what women need in terms of the understanding of the male priesthood.

00:11:29.300 And it needs to be a firm defense of whatever words you use, but it was stunningly powerful.

00:11:35.800 Thank you. Yeah, I just give a brief note on that. I do think that there's never been a more important time for the church to defend the male priesthood and to defend the femininity of the church. 0.51

00:11:49.820 And I think where they fail to do that, they've let both young men and young women down, young women who don't understand their vocation.

00:11:56.740 And we have to understand that femininity is a cosmic principle of all time, you know, and masculinity, these are cosmic principles.

00:12:06.420 The male and the female body are just the biological instantiations of that principle. 0.98

00:12:11.700 And so I'm saying to be to say feminism is women become like men, they either become like men or become used by men. 0.98

00:12:21.960 That's what feminism has given women. You either become like a man or you get picked up and discarded by men. 1.00

00:12:27.860 Those are your options. The very institution that we're told is sexist is the only, the only thing that can give us the real truth on men and women.

00:12:37.420 And that's because we have a proper theology, proper anthropology in the Catholic church.

00:12:42.400 And Mary is absolutely, absolutely key. We can't shove Mary aside as if she's an incidental, you know, side add-on.

00:12:52.300 That's like saying God used Mary like a syringe just to administer something and then get rid of the syringe.

00:12:58.040 That's not how it works.

00:13:00.360 Mary's yes, Mary's fiat is how we can receive Christ today.

00:13:05.560 That's why she's mediatrix for all graces.

00:13:08.740 That's what, we only have the church because of Mary's yes.

00:13:12.740 We only have Jesus because of Mary's yes. 0.98

00:13:15.380 And so that's another reason why the terms co-redentrix and mediatrix of all graces, I think are so crucial, really.

00:13:24.440 It's to help us understand our femininity. 1.00

00:13:27.660 And there's nothing small about that.

00:13:30.240 This is not an insult to women. 0.98

00:13:32.220 This is amazing. This is beautiful.

00:13:34.140 And yet we say, oh, because you can't go up and be seen at the front of the altar, you're somehow inferior.

00:13:41.600 So I think we need to address, we need to, we need to find a way to talk about the all-male priesthood as something that beautifully shows us the bride and the bridegroom and the marriage between the bride and the bridegroom. 0.93

00:13:54.920 And because of that, it's fertile.

00:13:57.260 It's not sterile.

00:13:58.460 It's not two brides or two bridegrooms who produce nothing.

00:14:02.280 It has to be the femininity of the church coupled with the masculinity of Christ, the bridegroom.

00:14:09.420 And you can't have one, you can't, you can't have that without Mary's fear.

00:14:13.780 And for women, I think that's a beautiful, like a beautiful indication of what, how she has been created different to man.

00:14:20.480 And if we can help our young women to see that, it's not some, something that reduces them.

00:14:26.740 We'll have a better understanding of what, who we are as women, which women need.

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00:15:03.880 So, here's something really beautiful, because I notice in both these unmentionable topics, the Jews and feminism, 0.73

00:15:11.600 that's what the young people are interested in, but almost in a way because the institutional church and society won't allow the discussion.

00:15:21.320 And it's almost like the young people are drawn to it.

00:15:24.840 Because they're unanswerable questions, apparently, but then also because abusers who see that vacuum go into it.

00:15:34.880 And like you were saying, Andrew Tate, and he does, he fights feminism in a way that really appeals to young men.

00:15:41.720 And then what?

00:15:42.600 And then poisons, because his answer is the answer of the demon.

00:15:45.900 And it is so deadly and damaging, because he's already, you know, but they, he starts from this sort of truth.

00:15:54.260 We have the same thing going on in the church today.

00:15:56.880 Because all of a sudden, we went from a total acceptance of where the church was with regard to the four last things, death, judgment, heaven, and hell.

00:16:08.120 And that was so standard.

00:16:09.840 It was, it was always the way it was.

00:16:13.560 And then we came to basically today, nobody's in hell.

00:16:19.380 Everybody's canonized.

00:16:20.940 Pope Leo gets in 10 days in.

00:16:23.160 They're doing the funeral for, the memorial mass for Francis.

00:16:26.500 And the first thing Leo says is, well, I felt Francis's presence with us from heaven.

00:16:30.720 I thought that wasn't supposed to be, but now it's just common fear.

00:16:37.200 Everybody does this.

00:16:38.680 And this is actually deep rooted in the church in that, you know, we have the famous von Balthasar and his theory of, you know, the possibility of an empty hell.

00:16:49.080 I think that's one of those things, those underlying damaging fault points that I'm hoping young people will be interested in because they need to hear the truth.

00:16:59.360 I think one of the things is that hell is mentioned a lot more by Jesus than heaven in the New Testament, isn't it?

00:17:05.940 And that must be for a reason.

00:17:09.020 And I mean, one of the things that Leo has been saying is that there's no, there's no mercy without justice.

00:17:15.800 And that's something that we understand as a truth and a reality.

00:17:19.420 And I think young people obviously grasp that very clearly.

00:17:23.540 The problem with all these questions is that the church hasn't been teaching on them.

00:17:27.780 You know, this is what I see in bringing up my own family and what the guys, you know, what my family want to talk about.

00:17:34.520 And because it's not been addressed, there is a vacuum that's created.

00:17:38.200 And, you know, that really is the problem.

00:17:40.880 What happens is that the church loses relevance.

00:17:43.320 And that's surely comes to some sort of pinnacle, some sort of apex in the universalism, the apocostasis, to give it its Greek name.

00:17:54.820 You know, that situation, it's that, you know, if we don't believe that any of this has any consequence, if it doesn't make any difference, if there are no repercussions, then why would you bother doing?

00:18:06.920 And why does any of it matter? Why does the mass matter? Why does how we behave our morality?

00:18:12.080 It all becomes inconsequential, doesn't it?

00:18:15.200 That's what I think is really scary, because if everyone's going to heaven anyway, that explains a lot of where the church leadership has gone.

00:18:25.080 Because if it doesn't matter, then Father James Martin's right.

00:18:32.600 You know, we're not going to celebrate it, but let them be.

00:18:37.620 It fits so well with Catherine's talk about feminism in terms of ontology.

00:18:42.020 So if we're talking about things like same-sex attraction, I think that when we pretend that this is a case of acceptance and accepting people's, you know, the inclinations that they're born with.

00:18:57.160 So what, you know, how could that mean that we could judge them because they're born with that inclination anyway?

00:19:02.820 You know, that we're failing to talk about the reality of that and the fact that, look, we're born with all kinds of inclinations and being a functioning human being is about having, you know, gaining some modicum of control over your appetites, isn't it?

00:19:18.240 And I think that what's happened is that our young people have recognised the rot that this has embedded in our society.

00:19:25.380 And it's for us then to trace back and see how does that fit in?

00:19:29.820 You know, if we're going to deny it, like if you look at the feminism thing, it leads to transgenderism. 1.00

00:19:35.040 It leads, you know, well, we were saying today, wasn't it?

00:19:37.800 It's like saying that girls can serve the mass. 0.97

00:19:41.360 In some way, you've got a form of transgenderism there, haven't you?

00:19:44.840 You know, because a young girl can't become a priest. 1.00

00:19:48.060 And so there's no coherent thread that runs through our own theology.

00:19:53.680 You know, if we're all going to heaven anyway, what are we doing any of this stuff for in the first place?

00:19:58.420 So why are we not focusing on these obvious inconsistencies in theological terms and dealing with those questions and answers?

00:20:08.520 That seems to me to be, you know, forget all the soundbite-y stuff in a way.

00:20:14.400 You know, let's look at the theological underpinnings and see how the church has changed.

00:20:19.280 And, like, the universalism is such a pernicious thing.

00:20:23.520 And, like, as you say, it's often pointed towards von Balthasar.

00:20:28.460 But I think that if you look at Lumen Gentium No. 8, you know, if you look at Nostraeotate, there's universalist threads that creep through all of that.

00:20:38.380 What do they say, even in approximation?

00:20:41.940 So these are Vatican II documents.

00:20:44.480 Yeah.

00:20:44.900 And one, explain for us.

00:20:47.720 Okay.

00:20:47.980 So famously, Lumen Gentium No. 8 is the paragraph that says that there are elements of the church that subsist.

00:20:55.500 You know, like whatever elements of the Christian faith exist outside the church, they subsist in, you know, they come from the church.

00:21:04.460 Basically, that's what he's trying to say.

00:21:06.300 I don't know where I've made that very clear.

00:21:08.080 So there are other Christians.

00:21:09.920 And if you, so this is, I've, you know, worked with the Baptist church locally.

00:21:13.720 And some of those guys, they don't even understand that there is a Catholic church.

00:21:17.580 They think that we're all Christians.

00:21:18.840 And, you know, they don't really understand denominations because they've heard the gospel, they've wandered in, and this is being a Christian, you know.

00:21:25.560 So I think the church is trying to say, in that instance, you know, that they've got elements of Catholicism.

00:21:32.240 They've got elements of the Catholic faith.

00:21:33.940 And insofar as they've got those elements, they've got them from the one true faith.

00:21:38.900 That's what it's, LGA is trying to say.

00:21:41.280 But you had people like Leonardo Boff who took that ball and ran and ran and ran and kept running to the point where it was like, okay, there's no such thing anymore as extra ecclesia and nulla salas.

00:21:52.780 You don't need the church anymore, basically.

00:21:54.560 For salvation.

00:21:54.920 Yeah, you know, there is salvation in all different kinds of places.

00:21:59.460 And that's killed the missions.

00:22:02.520 You know, that's led to the fact that we haven't got any missionary work because there's no imperative to preach the gospel anymore.

00:22:09.360 We don't understand what the – one of my big things throughout what we've been doing is to say, what is the gospel?

00:22:15.860 You know, we're always talking about this good news.

00:22:18.600 Can someone explain what it is?

00:22:20.140 You know, and that's, I think, really important to talk about the kerygma, you know, to talk about what the good news is and what a difference it makes in people's lives.

00:22:28.160 Because if you can understand that, if you understand how incredibly powerful and potent it is in our lives, you know, and we're friends, the three of us are friends.

00:22:37.000 And we've all got our own stories of that reality playing out in our own lives that we've shared with each other.

00:22:43.340 And I think that that is – that's almost the key measure, if we can get that across.

00:22:48.280 It is important.

00:22:49.500 All these things are – it is important to be Catholic.

00:22:52.060 And it matters how you bring up your children.

00:22:54.560 It matters how you live your life.

00:22:56.520 And if you don't, then, you know, you could almost explain it another way.

00:23:00.580 Like, another way of explaining it would be, you know, I know people who have lived a life of real, you know, real debauchery, rejected the faith, gone off in different directions.

00:23:11.960 Where does that lead?

00:23:13.080 They're in hell.

00:23:13.900 You know, they're already in hell. 0.99

00:23:15.200 They're already turned inwards towards themselves.

00:23:18.380 You know, they don't care about other people.

00:23:20.500 You see this all around you.

00:23:21.900 Like, it's like a mirror of that state that hell will be for some people, you know, when they die.

00:23:28.780 And so, how could you say it isn't a reality?

00:23:30.680 We're surrounded by it.

00:23:32.060 You know, that sort of action leads you to a place where you find yourself in a kind of hell, don't you?

00:23:37.980 You know, so it seems to me to be like something that we can demonstrate

00:23:42.380 with that even before we start looking at, you know, scripture and the magisterium.

00:23:48.400 The scriptural arguments are very striking to me because I think, so your typical guy on the left of the church will say,

00:23:55.680 oh, no, you know, if we say there's no hell, everybody will just, we can live in love and just love one another and not judge one another.

00:24:03.040 We can be the perfect thing that Jesus, Jesus, after all, said, don't judge, lest you be judged.

00:24:06.900 And yet, as you were saying, he mentioned hell so often that if you actually read the Bible, which maybe some people are encouraged about to,

00:24:16.420 but if you actually read it, that notion of saying everyone's in heaven, there really isn't a hell, you just make Jesus alive.

00:24:27.020 But why did they kill him then? Because he was going around telling everyone to be nice to each other.

00:24:32.420 That doesn't make any sense at all. They nailed him to a tree for a reason.

00:24:36.020 And it wasn't because he was going around telling everyone that nothing mattered, was it?

00:24:39.560 No.

00:24:39.880 It's just insane to think like that, isn't it?

00:24:42.300 So when...

00:24:43.020 Also, that idea of don't judge has been completely misused because it's not even true.

00:24:50.320 Every parent knows that you judge actions.

00:24:52.640 Every teacher knows that you judge actions.

00:24:54.520 Every member of society knows that we have to judge.

00:24:57.200 We have to discriminate. 0.97

00:24:58.360 We have to discern.

00:24:59.520 But we don't judge a person's soul.

00:25:01.600 I don't know who's going to heaven and who's not.

00:25:03.920 That's God's business.

00:25:05.320 But to use it to imply that we don't make any judgment whatsoever on any behavior is for the birds.

00:25:13.200 It's nonsense.

00:25:13.760 When our Lord says, you know, brought us the road that leads to destruction.

00:25:17.740 Yeah, it's many there are that go there and narrow is the road that leads to life.

00:25:21.100 Few there are that find it.

00:25:22.960 That's brutal in a way.

00:25:25.460 This is radio silence.

00:25:26.980 We do not get this.

00:25:28.800 The saints, all the old saint ones, you're like, oh yeah, most people are in hell.

00:25:33.200 And you're like, what?

00:25:34.620 Because even today to us, me reading it, it sounds like, how can he?

00:25:39.760 This is horrible.

00:25:40.900 But yet there it is.

00:25:41.780 And because they're taking it from our Lord's words.

00:25:44.740 Is there some newfangled understanding I'm missing?

00:25:47.380 Yeah, well, this is the problem.

00:25:48.900 And I think it's just easier.

00:25:50.500 But you've nailed it.

00:25:51.940 The fact is that we don't, you know, we've got into this sort of strange relationship with the church now where our priests come on the, you know, they come up to give their homily.

00:26:03.520 And they say, oh, you're all so lovely, aren't you?

00:26:06.420 And because they want to, you know, they want to be supported and they want to, they don't want to risk people not giving them money or telling them that they're nice or being cross with them for, you know.

00:26:15.660 And it's like that medicating sort of relationship.

00:26:19.020 And all the people go, oh, Father's lovely because he never judges us or he never, you know, that's not really the point of being a Catholic, is it?

00:26:26.100 That's not really the point of going to mass even, you know.

00:26:28.880 The point is that you're going there to think about your life, to think about the way that you treat people that is good and true and fruitful and grows society and grows culture.

00:26:40.600 And the things that you do that damage that and the things that you do that damage that, you take that to the confessional, you know, and you ask for forgiveness and you ask because the whole point of the Christian life, the whole point of being a Catholic is to change your, you know, to change who you are by grace of the sacraments to fit you ready for heaven, for an eternal life, to change you into a being that can exist in heaven.

00:27:08.280 Let's put it like that.

00:27:09.240 And this is one of the things I said in my talk earlier, we discussed on the damaging effect of some of the media coming at us, is this idea that you either conform to the moral law and that requires repentance because we all have a conscience and we feel, we do, deep down, we feel it, we know it when we're doing the wrong thing.

00:27:26.440 Written on the human heart, as Sir Paul says in Romans.

00:27:29.340 Yeah, it's written on the human heart, every single person, we have a conscience.

00:27:32.620 And we either conform to the moral law, but it's painful, or we start trying to get the moral law to fit us.

00:27:40.420 And this is what I'm talking about, is it's twisting what is real, what is right and what is true, and it's saying, no, none of those things are problematic.

00:27:50.000 And then it eats away at your conscience, like it's sort of eroded, it's clouded, and then you just keep perpetuating more of the nonsense.

00:27:58.920 So it's about people not wanting to repent.

00:28:01.640 They don't want to repent.

00:28:03.220 Well, we don't.

00:28:04.040 It's tough, isn't it, right?

00:28:04.940 It is, but something you said in your talk as well, and it's been mentioned to Cure as well, and I've always found this to be very true.

00:28:16.240 If you just live your Catholic life, not talking even to anyone else, just living it, you're hated because that conscience over there is still real. 0.70

00:28:30.320 And they're trying to wipe out that guilt, but if they can see you're not doing what they're doing.

00:28:39.080 It's a form of judgment.

00:28:40.580 They see it as a form of judgment.

00:28:41.840 But you're not talking to them.

00:28:43.020 You're minding your own business.

00:28:44.640 But it doesn't matter.

00:28:46.200 In the scriptures, they talk about that in the Old Testament, where they're talking about his ways are not our ways.

00:28:53.240 He thinks our ways aren't. 1.00

00:28:54.760 Let's try him, and basically, let's kill him and torture him. 1.00

00:28:57.700 But this is living out in our experience today, where you don't have to do anything. 1.00

00:29:05.160 I'm trying to be my own, like, go away.

00:29:07.480 But you're hated, and you're persecuted anyway.

00:29:10.220 Yeah, it's hard, because I think one of the best ways to evangelize is through the way that you live your life.

00:29:15.700 So one of the amazing things I've found is that people in our community will come up and say,

00:29:23.020 Hey, your children are amazing.

00:29:24.400 How have you done that?

00:29:25.420 How have you?

00:29:26.240 And it's literally just because Louise and I, my wife and I, are Catholic.

00:29:31.940 We've always been Catholic.

00:29:33.160 We've always raised the children.

00:29:34.740 We've always understood our faith.

00:29:36.900 We've believed it.

00:29:37.800 And we've, you know, shared it with our children in a way that's passionate.

00:29:42.480 Because, you know, we really do believe that this is important.

00:29:47.480 It's not just a fad, or, you know, this is something we actually believe in.

00:29:52.040 And I think if you can do that, if you can explain the truth in a way that young people can understand it,

00:29:56.980 then they do believe it, and they appreciate it.

00:30:00.300 And at the same time, other people look at you, and they see, you know,

00:30:03.640 they're all these broken homes, and kids are taking drugs, and running wild, and whatever.

00:30:08.240 And they can see that your children are functioning, that they're helpful.

00:30:12.780 And, you know, Catherine knows my children.

00:30:14.520 They're all...

00:30:15.260 Terrible.

00:30:16.040 Yeah, well, all right.

00:30:18.620 But if you're watching children, you're all right.

00:30:20.760 No, I think so.

00:30:22.160 But, you know, thank God they're a credit to me.

00:30:24.220 And I think that is a part of that journey.

00:30:27.300 So, you know, that is like, hopefully, you're evangelizing like that, aren't you?

00:30:31.620 You're saying, look, these are the answers.

00:30:33.980 And that is what I really do believe.

00:30:35.640 I totally agree with you, that you, you know, especially familial relationships often are the ones

00:30:40.700 where you've got someone who's saying, oh, you think you're better than us, or something like that.

00:30:44.180 But we always just try and redress that with love.

00:30:48.660 You know, you can't convince people to be Catholic, or to, you know, to believe in what you believe.

00:30:54.780 But you can get them to acknowledge that you love them, and, you know, you want the best for them.

00:31:00.060 And hopefully, they can see something in that at some point.

00:31:04.500 You know, in a funny way, it brings us full circle, because the disorder that other people are experiencing

00:31:11.980 and don't see in your children, and they're fascinated by it, the disorders are the consequences

00:31:18.460 that friends cannot point out.

00:31:21.200 Yeah, exactly.

00:31:22.440 Beautiful.

00:31:22.820 And they catch up with you in the end, because it's inevitable.

00:31:26.040 And, unfortunately, we often have to learn the hard way.

00:31:29.940 We do.

00:31:31.080 Well, for me, it's been a great joy to be with both of you.

00:31:33.040 Thank you, John Henry.

00:31:33.820 Love me to see you again.

00:31:34.760 God bless you.

00:31:35.460 Thanks, brother.

00:31:36.520 And God bless all of you.

00:31:38.600 From Tampa, Florida.

00:31:39.640 We'll see you next time.

00:31:40.380 Hi, I'm Liz Yor.

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The John-Henry Westen Show - January 23, 2026

UNSCRIPTED： The Jews, Young People and the Reality of Hell

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