The John-Henry Westen Show - US military is purging conservative Christians who object to abortion-tainted vaccines. Here's proof

00:00:00.000 Is the U.S. military trying to purge conservative Catholics, conservative Christians from the

00:00:05.360 military?

00:00:06.500 It's an interesting question.

00:00:08.120 And when you see what the military is doing with the vax mandate, this abortion-tainted 0.98

00:00:14.080 vaccine that they're trying to force on everyone, oh, no, not force.

00:00:17.720 Yes, they are.

00:00:18.280 You're going to see the evidence for that right in this episode of the John Henry Weston

00:00:21.700 Show.

00:00:22.160 We're going to be speaking with Navy Commander Rob Green and his military lawyer, Davis

00:00:27.780 Juntz.

00:00:28.160 You're going to want to stay tuned.

00:00:30.000 If you'd like to help out Commander Green and Davis Juntz, the lawyer and the clients

00:00:52.860 that he is dealing with, please support the LifeFunder that we've set up for them.

00:00:57.500 You can find that at LifeFunder.com.

00:01:03.340 Let's begin, as we always do, with the sign of the cross.

00:01:06.100 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

00:01:10.260 Amen.

00:01:12.220 Commander Rob Green and lawyer Davis Juntz, welcome to the program.

00:01:16.800 Before the show, I told everybody a little bit about you, Rob, a little bit about your

00:01:21.880 background, and a little bit about your cause right now, but I'd like to, if you could give

00:01:28.180 to us a better glimpse, who is Rob Green?

00:01:30.960 What are you standing for right now?

00:01:32.160 Tell us a little bit about your family as well.

00:01:34.020 Thank you, John Henry.

00:01:34.700 I appreciate being here.

00:01:36.840 Definitely appreciate being here with Davis.

00:01:39.720 I've been fighting alongside him for a while, so this is great.

00:01:42.020 But I am a Catholic, traditional Catholic, pro-life Catholic, and my wife and I, we've been pro-life.

00:01:51.160 We've been fighting for Catholic causes in our private lives, and I have tried to take 1.00

00:01:57.920 my faith with me and everything I've done.

00:02:00.320 It includes my naval service.

00:02:01.900 I've never had an issue where my conscience has been violated by what I've been asked to

00:02:09.280 do by the service, but with the rollout of the vaccine mandates for the military, that

00:02:15.940 is where things started to get questionable for me, and I had to do more research.

00:02:19.580 I had to dig into why that was a problem.

00:02:23.040 I have a responsibility to six children and a number seven on the way to raise them right,

00:02:29.880 to teach them what's right, and to stand up for what's right, even if no one else will.

00:02:35.300 So I was surprised, appalled, as I started to learn of the egregious violations of the

00:02:42.940 constitution, of law, of military regulation being done in trying to enforce these vaccine

00:02:48.960 mandates on the military.

00:02:51.140 And I felt called to begin communicating.

00:02:54.880 I initially communicated internally, communicating to my chain of command.

00:02:59.880 There are things that are wrong here.

00:03:02.100 It was emails, then memorandums, then eventually complaints filed internally to the Navy to point

00:03:09.540 out problems that we were seeing, issues that we were having.

00:03:13.980 And I had a bunch of sailors, service members, communicating to me issues that they were having,

00:03:20.240 violations, harassment, coercion, problems.

00:03:23.400 And we've seen all kinds of crazy things, things like service members being restricted

00:03:29.740 from traveling if they're unvaccinated, service members not being given medical treatment if

00:03:35.900 they were unvaccinated.

00:03:37.580 We were seeing, and I have a lieutenant, a chaplain lieutenant who was denied the right to travel

00:03:44.460 from his training location to his ultimate duty station.

00:03:47.880 And he, his pregnant wife, and their three children have been stuck in a hotel room for

00:03:52.260 14 weeks, waiting on the Navy to tell them that they can move.

00:03:56.620 And so these are the kind of things that I said, we have to stop this.

00:04:01.740 And so I got involved, began communicating with other service members in similar situations.

00:04:07.180 And that is where I was released by a separate whistleblower, a document proving that the Navy

00:04:15.020 was violating constitutional rights law and regulation, and how they were adjudicating

00:04:21.380 religious accommodation requests for service members who, due to their conscience, were not

00:04:27.620 able to take the COVID-19 vaccines.

00:04:30.460 Okay.

00:04:30.920 Now, we want to get to those documents in a minute, but something you said there is horrifying.

00:04:36.600 So this one chaplain fellow who's left in the hotel for 14 weeks, do you have any other

00:04:42.580 examples of that kind of, I mean, they say they're not forcing you to take the vaccine,

00:04:50.300 but if they're doing that kind of stuff, are there any other examples that you can give

00:04:54.620 of that kind of harassment to basically force people to take the vaccine?

00:05:00.680 We have seen plenty.

00:05:01.740 One example is pretty public.

00:05:03.660 One of the special operations members, traumatic brain injury from recent deployment, worked

00:05:09.800 for the service, and they denied him the right to go get medical treatment because he was

00:05:15.400 unvaccinated.

00:05:16.840 Things like this.

00:05:18.060 We've seen service members in all branches lined up, some of them daily, berated by their

00:05:23.760 senior enlisted leaders to go do something that violates their conscience.

00:05:28.620 Their religious accommodations were ignored, and many times the religious accommodations

00:05:33.660 were the things that instigated some of these violations.

00:05:37.720 And so we're seeing a leadership in the service abandoning the things that we were all taught,

00:05:44.700 taking care of junior sailors, and that's why I felt I had to get involved.

00:05:48.340 And then the lack of response to my various emails, memorandums, complaints, many of them

00:05:54.580 dismissed.

00:05:55.240 Several of them dismissed days before I was ultimately fired, which I'm sure we'll get

00:05:59.760 into that.

00:06:01.140 Those kinds of things are why my wife and I discerned that we do have to speak up and why

00:06:08.080 we're visiting with you now.

00:06:09.600 One of the things in your case, which is filed, that is most stupendous is the evidence that

00:06:16.720 you bring to bear.

00:06:18.460 Not only is there, which seems evident from the documents that you point to, not only is

00:06:25.500 there just a pretense of allowing the religious exemptions to be applied for, but they never

00:06:32.180 really get there.

00:06:32.980 But there's actually, as you've discovered, a standard operating procedure whereby it proves

00:06:39.900 that it's a ruse.

00:06:41.960 And worse than that, they're trying to pull the wool over the American public's eyes or

00:06:46.200 somebody's eyes to make believe that they're actually taking this stuff seriously when the

00:06:51.560 documents seem to prove beyond any shadow of a doubt that there's no taking this seriously

00:06:55.920 whatsoever.

00:06:56.740 If you don't mind, just go through what the documents outline.

00:06:59.900 The standard operating procedure that I received, it was written by the deputy chief of naval

00:07:06.760 operations in one, that's the administrative office for the Navy.

00:07:11.220 They are responsible for adjudicating all Navy religious accommodation requests.

00:07:17.000 Now, what they did is they actually documented their process and it's written to the staffer

00:07:24.180 level.

00:07:24.500 So it's not, you know, the vice admiral personally going and receiving documents and adjudicating

00:07:29.640 things, but to the staffer, how do you handle these?

00:07:32.020 What do you do?

00:07:32.860 And one of the very first steps when they receive a request to not receive a COVID-19 vaccination,

00:07:40.740 they immediately pull a template up and put the name of the requester in the denial template

00:07:45.920 and then begin routing that for review.

00:07:48.640 That's the first step.

00:07:49.980 And then once that is reviewed by all the various offices, they then prepare a document to the

00:07:57.240 vice admiral for him to sign disapproving the religious accommodation request.

00:08:02.640 Now, everything is clean, packaged, you know, nice bow on it.

00:08:06.700 And at that point, that's when they begin the review of what's in the document, which law

00:08:13.120 requires them to do and military regulation requires them to do.

00:08:17.380 So it does absolutely to me look like it is, and I use the word fraudulent in my complaint,

00:08:24.120 my internal complaint, which so far has been ignored by the Navy, which is why we're talking.

00:08:28.640 I actually sent that to the House and the Senate Armed Services Committee to try to get attention

00:08:34.240 there.

00:08:35.160 And I do hope it's kicking around.

00:08:37.720 I do hope it's being looked at.

00:08:39.180 But in the meantime, Davis and I are talking about that.

00:08:43.500 And so I will say Davis is here, my attorney.

00:08:46.220 But more importantly than that, he's a brother in Christ, Air Force reservist as well, Lieutenant

00:08:52.920 Colonel.

00:08:53.580 So he's fighting this fight along with us.

00:08:55.620 And he can speak to a much broader picture.

00:08:57.860 I can speak to my own story, my own experience, what I've seen, what I've done on the Navy side.

00:09:02.680 But he can certainly bring it home for everything else that he's experienced with all his other

00:09:06.160 clients.

00:09:07.280 While we're speaking, you know, we're showing our audience the actual documents, the fact that they

00:09:13.740 start off with a denial, they're prepping the rejection of your exemption papers.

00:09:20.920 Absolutely unbelievable.

00:09:24.160 Davis, you're a man of the law.

00:09:26.060 You are a lawyer.

00:09:27.500 You've got many clients in this.

00:09:29.640 Give us, first of all, your take on this document from a legal perspective.

00:09:33.940 Does this look like what we're, with layman's eyes, we look at and see, oh, my gosh, this

00:09:39.840 is a sham.

00:09:40.960 Is it legally speaking what we're seeing?

00:09:43.800 Is that like, you know, is this a slam dunk case or where do you think this is going?

00:09:48.400 I think that's a great question, John Henry.

00:09:50.820 When we look at it, the first thing we can do is, you know, I'm here speaking in my private

00:09:55.280 capacity on behalf of Rob.

00:09:57.560 But I can say, based on my experience on active duty in the reserves, I've reviewed

00:10:02.260 a lot of religious accommodation packages.

00:10:04.880 Normally, a JAG is part of that.

00:10:06.520 And before I met Rob, what I was hearing over and over again were these concerns raised.

00:10:12.480 I spoke to two different Navy Reserve officers who had their accommodation denied before they

00:10:20.700 actually submitted it.

00:10:21.780 In other words, they told their command, I'm going to submit a religious accommodation. 0.72

00:10:26.720 They got put on a list.

00:10:28.220 That memo you're talking about was auto-generated.

00:10:31.860 And so their accommodation was denied before they'd officially submitted it.

00:10:36.080 And so this is what you have going on.

00:10:38.280 You have it going on in all the branches of the service.

00:10:40.380 You have these whistleblowers.

00:10:42.060 You have people calling me.

00:10:43.100 You have all of these things going on leading up to actually these documents being publicly

00:10:49.120 released by, I believe, two or three whistleblowers within the Navy who publicly released these

00:10:54.020 documents into chats.

00:10:55.780 Praise God, they got into the hands of people like Rob and could be put to good use in this.

00:11:01.180 But yes, I mean, I can't say it much better than the judge in Texas did in calling it theater.

00:11:06.340 It's political theater.

00:11:07.960 It's being done to give a pretense to a process.

00:11:12.960 But the reality is the intent all along, we've certainly seen it in the Navy documented most

00:11:19.440 clearly.

00:11:20.380 It's been for political or whatever reasons, we are going to deny these requests.

00:11:25.780 And I will even take it a step farther and say what's mind-blowing about this is, you know,

00:11:31.060 God got me involved with this case because of a couple of pastors and a group of Navy SEALs.

00:11:35.480 I'm a pastor elder myself, a volunteer pastor elder at my church.

00:11:39.540 And just through the grace of God, knowing a Christian attorney who specialized in constitutional

00:11:43.260 law, I ended up sitting with dozens of Navy SEALs, strong Christian men of faith, Catholics

00:11:49.140 and Protestants and pastors, and just being, having their hearts poured out.

00:11:52.940 That's how I got involved in this.

00:11:54.880 But we were looking, we were seeking this information.

00:11:57.880 I was submitting Freedom of Information Act requests to the Air Force, to the Navy.

00:12:01.680 These documents still aren't being released through those normal processes.

00:12:05.960 So from the beginning, and I think Rob can verify this, nothing about this has felt normal

00:12:11.840 or has felt usual when we talk about the military's reaction to the pandemic as a whole, but also

00:12:19.760 these vaccine mandates.

00:12:20.740 And we could take story after story of just the egregious things that we've seen happen.

00:12:26.180 But it began with trying to force military members to take the vaccine, restricting leave,

00:12:33.780 telling Navy members they were restricted to the ship 14 days prior to departure on a deployment

00:12:40.480 if they weren't vaccinated.

00:12:42.120 There were even units in the Navy where if one person on an entire ship out of an entire crew

00:12:48.580 refused to get the vaccine, they would all be required to be confined to the ship for 14 days

00:12:55.120 prior to a deployment.

00:12:57.580 Another thing that the Navy did repeatedly at repeated installations throughout the pandemic

00:13:02.500 was if you were not vaccinated, you were not permitted to attend a religious service.

00:13:08.060 And they specifically said public gatherings to include religious services in those.

00:13:14.740 So, I mean, I know personally a Navy officer who after 18 years resigned, just simply resigned

00:13:21.320 over that policy because he raised all the issues internally and they didn't.

00:13:26.700 So, you know, to say that we're coming here and Rob and I come here and we're talking about

00:13:31.580 the vaccine mandate and the way it's handled, there's a history leading up to this where

00:13:36.140 we've seen trouble coming when it comes to religious freedom in the military.

00:13:40.080 And now we're faced with political theater.

00:13:44.220 It's deeply troubling.

00:13:45.860 And we just, you know, we keep praying every day that God will reveal the truth, that people

00:13:50.380 will understand what's going on.

00:13:51.760 They'll pray for us, but they'll rally behind us in the court of public opinion.

00:13:55.140 It's a lot of what we need right now.

00:13:57.120 This is unreal.

00:13:58.300 The funny part about this is that the SOPs are a joke.

00:14:01.040 They think, what do they think they're doing?

00:14:03.140 But the sad reality is the torture that this is doing to good men and women who serve the

00:14:12.060 country.

00:14:12.700 And how is the leadership thinking they're doing this when they are sworn an oath to

00:14:18.020 protect the Constitution and the rights of Americans, and yet they themselves are denying

00:14:24.880 those rights to the very men and women who have given their lives to serving the country.

00:14:28.700 That's, this is unreal.

00:14:29.780 I've never seen anything like this before when we talk about this level.

00:14:34.500 And military members do not give up their constitutional rights by joining the military.

00:14:39.440 I mean, it would be absurd to think that we swear an oath to support and defend the Constitution.

00:14:43.760 Of course, we don't give up our basic fundamental constitutional rights.

00:14:47.860 Most importantly, our rights related to faith.

00:14:50.880 But this is, you know, we need to be aware and we need to be advocating for a full understanding

00:14:57.720 of what it means to be a person of faith.

00:14:59.780 Whether it's Catholic or Protestant, your faith, John Henry, Rob's faith, my faith, impacts

00:15:04.820 our worldview.

00:15:06.020 It impacts our morals and our ethics.

00:15:07.880 And the military now seems to be operating where even for the chaplains in the military,

00:15:13.760 it's okay for you to have these beliefs.

00:15:15.880 It's okay for you to be a person of faith.

00:15:17.560 But don't act on them, or don't allow them to color what you do, because if you do, you

00:15:23.980 won't be allowed to serve anymore.

00:15:25.440 And, you know, again, there's so many examples that Rob and I could get into.

00:15:29.820 But, you know, one, a Navy chaplain, I represent an Air Force chaplain.

00:15:33.900 An Air Force chaplain.

00:15:35.000 Filed properly a religious accommodation request, denied in the same boilerplate, the same exact

00:15:41.660 memorandum that all my other clients receive, the names and dates are changed, that's it.

00:15:46.180 He appeals it through the proper process.

00:15:48.440 It's denied.

00:15:49.840 And now he's given an order, get the vaccine within five days or face punishment under the

00:15:55.660 UCMJ and under adverse actions.

00:15:57.260 And so today I'm working on a response for him to career-ending punishment as a chaplain.

00:16:03.520 And what's so crazy about this is he will lose his ability to minister and to shepherd and be a

00:16:10.420 pastor to people if he violates his conscience in this way.

00:16:13.580 He will lose his ability to stand in front of parishioners and to continue to have an ecclesiastical

00:16:20.280 endorsement if he gets this vaccine, yet this is the place that the military is going.

00:16:25.660 So it's a very difficult time from that perspective for military members, but praise God, all praise

00:16:32.040 be to God.

00:16:32.720 People are, I think, returning to their faith.

00:16:35.300 They're seeing it.

00:16:36.040 Even those that have gotten the vaccine, who have made that choice, and others during this

00:16:40.860 time, I think Rob and I have seen a lot shake their heads and say, this is wrong.

00:16:46.220 And there are people that are coming around.

00:16:48.060 There are people, I think, that are going to refuse to get the booster when the military

00:16:51.080 mandates that.

00:16:51.900 So there is hope there, and I do think that the Bible and God's word will reign supreme

00:16:58.280 in this.

00:16:58.940 So praise God for that.

00:17:00.380 Amen.

00:17:01.240 Let me ask you, can you give us, you mentioned you were fired.

00:17:06.620 These are the costs of standing up for your conscience rights, standing up for the rights

00:17:11.500 that are due every American, soldier or not.

00:17:16.440 Explain to us what happened there and the cost to your family.

00:17:19.600 At the beginning of all this, I had a lot of trepidation.

00:17:23.660 Personally, I had some fear.

00:17:26.100 What's going to happen to me?

00:17:27.520 What's going to happen to my family?

00:17:28.680 And am I going to be able to provide?

00:17:30.420 I can't possibly violate my conscience and go along with this.

00:17:34.300 Knowing what I know and seeing everything we just talked about happening around me,

00:17:39.540 I knew I could not go along with that.

00:17:41.520 We have historical examples that led up to Nuremberg trials that we cannot say, oh, it's

00:17:47.760 following an order.

00:17:49.560 That doesn't fly.

00:17:51.180 So for me, there was a couple weeks of fear and trepidation.

00:17:55.120 I will say that it was my wife, a very incredibly strong person, absolutely fearless.

00:18:01.120 She was the one who kind of led me to, you know, you can't fear.

00:18:06.840 And it was kind of eye-opening when I looked around and I said, you know, you're absolutely

00:18:11.660 right.

00:18:12.980 They want us to fear.

00:18:14.160 They want us to fear death.

00:18:15.540 They want us to fear sickness.

00:18:16.840 They want us to fear COVID.

00:18:18.220 They want us to fear losing our jobs.

00:18:19.860 They want us to fear losing livelihood.

00:18:22.340 They want us to fear participation in society.

00:18:25.620 And that's where this is heading.

00:18:27.140 And so for me, it was, I will not fear.

00:18:29.340 And for those, as Davis mentioned, for those who, you know, were coerced, those who were

00:18:35.600 harassed, we're going to stand in ranks with you and you don't have to get the boost.

00:18:40.060 You don't have to keep going.

00:18:41.340 So that was the transition that went for me.

00:18:43.900 And when I gave it up to God and I put that to prayer and spent time and adoration over

00:18:48.980 that, and it was eye-opening, it was releasing, it helped me to make sure that I could focus

00:18:57.380 this fight, I gave it to God.

00:18:58.700 And since then, it has been his fight.

00:19:01.580 Davis can attest to the fact that the timing of everything has worked to God's greater glory

00:19:06.800 because I completely gave it over to him.

00:19:09.100 And in doing that, the Navy continued to give me orders, continued to say, you must be vaccinated

00:19:15.500 by X date.

00:19:17.180 You know, you must pass these particular sets of orders along.

00:19:20.740 You must do, there's a number of things that I would immediately write another complaint

00:19:26.360 back up on whatever they sent me and said, no, this violates my conscience.

00:19:30.360 No, this violates law.

00:19:32.520 No, this violates this particular regulation.

00:19:35.620 And so, you know, poor Davis had to see all of my various filings over, you know, months

00:19:40.560 as I continued to hit back at everything I saw.

00:19:43.820 But the fear was gone because it was completely God's fight.

00:19:47.960 And so eventually what that led to, there was a policy.

00:19:52.040 And I know that I'm going to let Davis speak to policies in general, but for this particular

00:19:56.360 policy, it was an asymptomatic testing policy.

00:19:59.100 So the Navy decided to institute a policy where only the unvaccinated were subject to continual

00:20:07.440 asymptomatic testing.

00:20:09.280 Now, I was not sick.

00:20:10.900 I was not feeling unwell in any way.

00:20:13.840 And I was the executive officer of my squadron.

00:20:16.420 I had an entire suite where I was basically alone in my own office, was alone and could

00:20:23.020 follow every good, you know, healthy protocol that, you know, that we could.

00:20:29.560 And so I said, no, this is discriminatory.

00:20:32.360 It's against the unvaccinated and I cannot participate in it. 1.00

00:20:36.040 It's just another harassing, coercive measure.

00:20:38.540 I will not participate.

00:20:39.540 And so I filed another religious accommodation to remove myself from having to follow that

00:20:46.460 particular policy.

00:20:49.140 The Navy did not appreciate that.

00:20:51.380 I was ordered by my chain of command to not enter my own building.

00:20:55.100 So I was banned from my building.

00:20:57.500 And also in the course of being banned, I was told that I could not adequately or successfully

00:21:03.080 do my job as the executive officer if I could not be in the building.

00:21:06.400 So I would drive to work in the winter weather and sit outside in my car.

00:21:11.140 And I just feel bad for some of my team members who had to come out and see me or talk to me

00:21:15.660 outside in the winter weather.

00:21:17.060 But that is the cost of doing business.

00:21:20.800 And so I did that for about a week and a half.

00:21:23.540 And then several of my complaints were, and these were complaints that we haven't aired for

00:21:30.500 this yet, but several of those complaints were dismissed.

00:21:33.580 And it was only a few days after that, that I was ultimately fired.

00:21:37.600 And the reasoning that I was for why I was not fired was lost in confidence and my ability

00:21:42.760 to do my job because I couldn't get in the building, which they banned me from.

00:21:47.200 So it's almost humorous if it wasn't so tragic for the implications of what they are trying

00:21:54.720 to coerce the military for now into doing and ultimately the American people.

00:21:59.920 One of the interesting things about being forced to go outside and be cold, that's nothing

00:22:07.540 new for the military.

00:22:08.860 I was speaking to someone from the military just the other day, and they told me that

00:22:11.980 the testing that is forced to do, sometimes they make people line up for, make members

00:22:19.640 line up for, and they can wait out there for a very long time to be tested.

00:22:24.360 And they have to do that so very regularly.

00:22:26.400 How often did they require this kind of testing?

00:22:29.380 So the policy for the Navy is weekly, you have to demonstrate a negative test.

00:22:34.440 Okay.

00:22:35.440 And is that done at some kind of central location or something like that?

00:22:39.540 They have allowed people to do that via self-home test.

00:22:43.460 It typically depends on the command.

00:22:45.260 Davis, if you would just give us what's really going on there in the military, and perhaps

00:22:53.180 also some broader picture of what's really happening.

00:22:57.040 And do you see any end point to this, some kind of either resolution, or do you see this

00:23:04.700 still going worse than where we are today?

00:23:07.080 I will start with what my clients like Rob and other clients have seen in the military.

00:23:11.940 And I don't say this lightly, but over the past several years, we have seen a rise in

00:23:18.400 just an almost, I don't want to say hatred, but I would say a clear discrimination against

00:23:27.160 people of traditional Orthodox faith, whether we're talking about conservative Catholics or

00:23:31.720 Protestants.

00:23:32.800 We've just seen a rise of that in the military.

00:23:35.040 And I say this, I mean, it is clear that the military has attempted to just more and

00:23:40.800 more narrowly define what religious faith is and what the exercise of religious faith

00:23:45.400 is for conservative Catholics and for conservative Protestants.

00:23:49.000 At the same time, whether it's the Air Force Academy or other things, we see an increasing

00:23:53.240 approval of religious accommodations for things like, for example, a Norse neo-pagan that believes

00:24:01.440 they need to have a beard in the military.

00:24:03.000 Those religious accommodations have been approved.

00:24:06.720 And so there are things where you could just shake your head and say, I don't understand

00:24:11.560 why are these definitions getting broader and broader for certain religious positions,

00:24:18.080 but yet conservative Catholics and conservative Protestants, biblical Catholics and Protestants are

00:24:24.480 being attacked and put into a very, very narrow lane.

00:24:29.040 And that includes chaplains, that includes JAGs and others, military lawyers that are put in

00:24:34.380 these positions.

00:24:35.220 So that's the backdrop for all of this.

00:24:37.920 And even the extremism training, the anti-extremism training that's gone on in the military,

00:24:43.260 the training that I was forced to be a part of essentially said, if you believe in something

00:24:48.840 so sincerely that you would give your life for it or that you are totally committed to it,

00:24:54.900 such that you would do things that other people would normally not do, then you meet the definition

00:25:00.840 of an extremist.

00:25:02.980 That's all of us in the military.

00:25:04.440 If we're serious about our oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States,

00:25:08.320 we're swearing an allegiance to a Constitution to do that.

00:25:12.260 So all of that is the background that we see in the military as to where this is coming.

00:25:16.960 And I think the same is true of society as a whole.

00:25:20.500 I think that there is a desire for society to define religion as narrowly as possible

00:25:26.500 and to try to turn things that are deeply held points of religious faith for us into some

00:25:32.060 sort of a political or a partisan issue, whether it's a pro-life issues, the sanctity of human

00:25:37.140 life issues or others, that's a marriage issues.

00:25:41.220 Those are all issues.

00:25:42.180 I think we see society trying to turn into something other than religious or even turning

00:25:46.300 into a hate crime or something else.

00:25:48.940 The military will always be, in some respects, a microcosm of society.

00:25:53.980 And often, political leaders will use the military as an experimentation tool, right, as a control

00:26:02.040 group for experimentation when it comes to social and other issues, even medical experiments

00:26:07.860 and other things.

00:26:08.580 So I got involved in this because a group of Navy SEALs stood up and said, not only are

00:26:15.060 we opposed to this mandate because there isn't an ethically produced vaccine that isn't tied

00:26:21.740 to fetal cells and abortions, but even beyond that, we fear what this means.

00:26:26.540 If we stand by and allow the government to mandate unconstitutionally, illegally, and against

00:26:31.440 the faith and belief that we're created in the image of God, if we allow that, when does it end?

00:26:39.540 So it all began there, and I think that carries over into society.

00:26:43.660 So big picture, John Henry, what I will say is this, and praise God for it.

00:26:48.180 So here's the good news.

00:26:51.280 Originally, when this mandate was rolled out, and Rob can attest to this, the threat from the military,

00:26:56.120 the threat from the Navy was, if you say no, we'll court-martial you.

00:27:01.300 We'll court-martial you.

00:27:02.660 We could throw you in jail, and we're going to give you a dishonorable or a bad conduct discharge,

00:27:07.540 punitive discharges that can only be punishments from a court-martial.

00:27:11.040 Those were the threats, repeated over and over and over again.

00:27:15.120 That was the threat.

00:27:16.280 You're going to jail.

00:27:17.180 We're going to court-martial you if you refuse this.

00:27:19.100 And then people stood up.

00:27:20.500 People like Rob, people like the Navy SEALs stood up.

00:27:22.980 It got the attention of Congress.

00:27:25.060 It got the attention of the American public.

00:27:27.040 And so the military has caved in large part on this issue.

00:27:32.100 So now we have moved from you may be locked up, you may be going to the brig,

00:27:36.780 to you're going to receive potentially an honorable discharge.

00:27:40.280 So you're going to receive adverse action or potentially an honorable discharge.

00:27:45.540 So there's some good news in that because public opinion has shifted,

00:27:49.280 because Congress has been gotten involved.

00:27:50.520 God has moved, and this has changed.

00:27:52.980 However, we need to continue this fight.

00:27:56.720 People like Rob, even myself, I have 19 years of service.

00:28:01.020 In the military, your retirement is all or nothing, right?

00:28:04.220 The retirement system that Rob and I are under,

00:28:06.260 you either get to 20 and qualify for retirement or you don't.

00:28:10.020 And so there are serious, significant financial consequences.

00:28:15.300 Beyond that, just, you know, Rob and I share a love for our country,

00:28:18.620 a desire to serve, a love for the military.

00:28:20.660 So there are significant consequences, significant things that military members are giving up to take this stand.

00:28:28.540 And that's what, you know, our brothers and sisters outside of the military are being asked to do and forced to do as well.

00:28:35.000 But I do think the hand of God is moving.

00:28:37.420 I do think there's opportunity for revival in this.

00:28:40.180 And I do think when documents like what Rob was able to provide to the litigation in Texas come forward, it comes clear.

00:28:47.540 I mean, it comes clear to anyone that sees it as long as their eyes are not blinded.

00:28:52.300 The truth of this, that it is theater, that it has been a ruse.

00:28:55.520 They're ignoring the law for whatever reason, military leaders are doing that.

00:29:00.200 They're ignoring the law.

00:29:01.520 One of the things I wanted to address with you guys is the possibility of this going south, as they say, or much further south with a possible coming military conflict.

00:29:15.080 We know that Russia and Ukraine are in the news.

00:29:18.080 It's boiling over.

00:29:19.700 There is such a thing as a presidential waiver.

00:29:22.700 If one of you could explain what that is, how that might impact, and what that would mean for people like Rob and the rest of those heroically fighting against the vaccine mandate inside the military.

00:29:34.560 So one of the big issues we've had with the vaccine mandate, and it holds true with the testing as well, is because of past just horrors that our government has done and other governments have done to military members, our government cannot force military members to take an experimental drug or an experimental medical treatment.

00:29:56.600 They cannot do that.

00:29:57.640 So when these vaccines came out and they received emergency use authorization, the military cannot force any of us to take it.

00:30:06.560 The problem is there is a provision in the law where the president of the United States could waive that in rioting and force military members to take an experimental use vaccine or medical treatment.

00:30:19.320 That has not happened here.

00:30:21.420 It's fascinating that that has not happened.

00:30:23.480 Instead, one of the things that the military tried to do was to try to say that the vaccines that are available are interchangeable with the common already FDA approved vaccine.

00:30:35.960 The truth of the matter, and I've spoken on this, it's part of litigation that's out there publicly, but I've spoken on this before.

00:30:42.640 That's simply not true when you look at the ingredients of the vaccines.

00:30:46.620 But even further, there's no common already being produced in the United States.

00:30:51.360 It's not being produced yet.

00:30:52.940 And so what is available to military members, and we've gone as far as to verify vial numbers and lots, is emergency use authorization vaccines.

00:31:01.580 I have yet to have a military installation show us that they have FDA approved vaccine available.

00:31:08.040 So that question that you asked when you say that, it's a huge and significant question here, because just like the shell game with setting up political theater to deny all religious accommodations or not give religious accommodations a fair shake.

00:31:22.220 From the beginning, we've seen a level of what appears to be dishonesty from the Department of Defense with regard to emergency use authorization versus actually FDA approved vaccines, which is a significant issue.

00:31:36.320 When we start talking about Nuremberg code for me as a JAG, for any military officer to have to question whether or not our leadership is issuing an unlawful order when it comes to medical treatment.

00:31:48.120 Very, very, very significant, very, very, very significant, very, very, very, very, very significant, very, very big deal.

00:31:51.080 And I will say, and I don't say this lightly, the Department of Defense and Department of Justice in one of the ongoing cases in Florida actually admitted in court documents,

00:32:01.040 Yes, when we issued this order and said that the Pfizer vaccine is interchangeable with the FDA approved vaccine, we were we we were wrong.

00:32:10.000 What we really meant is anything produced after that that's produced in the right lab, even if it's labeled Pfizer, could still meet the requirements.

00:32:19.000 So, you know, I don't say any of this lightly, but that's a significant legal issue that we still have going on.

00:32:24.260 If President Biden were to issue that waiver approval in writing, it would take one legal issue off the table.

00:32:33.820 But under the Constitution, under military regulations, under federal law, under the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, we still as military members could apply for a religious accommodation.

00:32:43.740 So it doesn't change that part of it, but it does change sort of the legal landscape very significantly.

00:32:48.840 There's going to be a lot of people who are extremely alarmed at what's going on, who want to support you, who want to know what we can do.

00:32:59.400 We want to give back. We want to be able to support you. How do we do that?

00:33:02.040 Well, there's definitely there's a couple of ways to do it.

00:33:04.200 First of all, the most important way, word of mouth, get the word out there.

00:33:08.400 We are actively being suppressed by social media, by the tech giants.

00:33:14.320 Word of mouth is critically important.

00:33:16.300 And there's a couple of 501c3s that are heavily involved.

00:33:21.440 Stand with warriors is one. Davis can speak to that very well.

00:33:25.420 Another one is the Truth for Health Foundation.

00:33:27.620 They have taken a significant stand with us as well.

00:33:31.640 And I know that you're aware of them and what they do.

00:33:34.800 And so I would I would say, get out there, do that, because what's going to happen,

00:33:39.780 what they're trying to do is purge the military of men and women of conscience,

00:33:46.900 the ones who would stand up, even if they're told that they're going to be punished,

00:33:53.300 that some punitive action is going to be taken.

00:33:55.740 If everyone left is coercible, if everyone left is malleable, I do not know where this heads.

00:34:03.580 So please get the word out.

00:34:07.220 You know, I still I'm still in the Navy.

00:34:10.060 I was demoted.

00:34:12.100 It's strong.

00:34:12.920 I was positional.

00:34:13.820 I am still a commander in the Navy.

00:34:16.960 But I've been reassigned to another unit.

00:34:19.220 But I still have my oath.

00:34:21.220 I swore an oath to defend the Constitution.

00:34:23.220 So I'm going to keep doing that.

00:34:25.080 And as an American citizen, I'm going to keep doing that.

00:34:27.680 I'm going to keep getting the word out however I can.

00:34:29.540 And I call on everybody else, all your viewers and listeners to to please help us spread the word.

00:34:35.340 And I'll let Davis say a few words on that, too.

00:34:37.480 He's definitely more eloquent than I am.

00:34:39.220 Thanks, Rob.

00:34:39.620 I would say John Henry first is pray.

00:34:42.600 Pray for revival.

00:34:43.700 Pray for a renewal of an appreciation for for biblical justice and biblical law in our country.

00:34:50.440 A return to that.

00:34:51.520 That's the that's the most important thing that that anyone can do.

00:34:56.720 Practical steps.

00:34:58.160 Go to go to your congressional leaders.

00:35:01.340 Go to your your congressmen, your your senators.

00:35:05.560 Do not let up in reaching out and just persistently asking what are they going to do?

00:35:13.280 How are they going to engage?

00:35:14.580 How are they going to get involved?

00:35:16.140 Because much of this feels very political.

00:35:18.420 That's a way to address that.

00:35:19.960 You know, resources are always an issue.

00:35:21.520 When we talk about these fights, you have tremendous organizations, legal and otherwise, that are fighting hard to make a difference here and to take care of military members.

00:35:30.540 So the one that that I started working with that was formed to help Navy SEALs is called Stand with Warriors, standwithwarriors.org.

00:35:40.060 That was started by a group of pastors.

00:35:42.440 They're working hard.

00:35:43.600 They've helped connect us to media, to political leaders.

00:35:46.820 And so folks can go there.

00:35:48.500 There's sample letters to congressional leaders that they can pull from there, get updates as well as donate to help.

00:35:55.380 And then there are other great organizations.

00:35:57.340 Truth for Health Foundation, Dr. Vliet and her team has been wonderful as well.

00:36:02.540 And so, you know, they have an important mission.

00:36:06.580 They're bringing medical providers to the fight as well and just approaching it that way.

00:36:11.020 So those are two ways that two great organizations that I can say have been helpful directly to people like Rob and myself in this battle.

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The John-Henry Westen Show - January 25, 2022

US military is purging conservative Christians who object to abortion-tainted vaccines. Here's proof

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