Vatican III： Francis' Synod on Synodality is going to be 'a mishmash of confusion and heresy'
Summary
Since the last word we heard from the Vatican, something has been going on in the background. It s the Synod on Synodality, where all the bishops of the world are getting messages from the faithful and forwarding them to Rome. What s this all about? What does it portend for the church? We re going to find out today from Matt Gaspers, who is the managing editor over at Catholic Family News.
Transcript
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Things seem to have been quiet from the Vatican for the past little while.
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And since the last word we heard was the kind of dismantling of the traditional Latin Mass
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with the implementation of Tradiciones Custodes of Pope Francis,
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All the bishops of the world are getting messages from the faithful and forwarding them to Rome.
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We're going to find out today from Matt Gaspers, who's with us.
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He is the managing editor over at Catholic Family News, a great publication.
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Go check it out from the late John Venari, a friend of LifeSite and very holy fellow.
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You're going to want to stay tuned to find out what's up in Rome.
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Let's begin as we always do at the sign of the cross.
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In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
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So, Matt, you're one of the very few people who probably have read the whole of the documents
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First of all, can you tell us what this is and what it's all about?
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To the best of my ability, because as Cardinal Dolan famously said on the weekend that the
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Synod opened around the world, October 17th, you know, he asked rhetorically, just what
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Now, you ask, just what is synodality, of which Pope Francis so often speaks?
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I don't know if I completely understand it, everybody.
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Yeah, so, I mean, it's humorous, but it's also really sad and pathetic.
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I mean, when the Cardinal Archbishop of New York is saying, I don't really know what it
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But as I understand it, you know, based on the literature that's been published by the
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Vatican, it's pushing the notion that Pope Francis has repeated on numerous occasions.
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I think it was from a 2018 speech that he gave, I forget the exact context, but his claim is
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that God expects the church to be synodal in the third millennium.
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That's paraphrasing the quote, and it's quoted in the official literature.
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I don't know how he claims to know that infallibly, if he receives some sort of private revelation
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that the rest of us are not privy to, but he says that God expects this of the church
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So synodality is simply, you know, synodos, or synodos, I'm not a Greek scholar, but I do
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know that the word means basically walking together, and that's what, hence the logo, the official
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It looks like it's a crayon drawing by an elementary school student, which certainly doesn't lend
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much dignity or sacredness to this event that they want us to take so seriously.
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So basically, it's consulting, as I understand it, it's a consultation, a general consultation
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of the entire people of God, you know, the popular Vatican II phrase, to the end of listening
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to what the Holy Ghost, the Holy Spirit has to say.
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This is a direct quote from the official handbook in Latin.
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It's called the Vade Mecum, and this is in section 4.1 of that document, which is a summary
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That's the other novelty about this particular synod, is that it's divided up into various
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So we're going to be covering this for the long haul, unfortunately, but this is the
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quote from the handbook regarding the purpose of the synod.
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It says, quote, the heart of the synodal experience is listening to God through listening to one
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We listen to each other in order to better hear the voice of the Holy Spirit speaking in
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So my issue with that is, you know, my understanding is that the Holy Ghost speaks to us through
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public revelation, through scripture, through tradition, and through the voice of the magisterium,
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not by listening to my neighbor in the pew, who probably doesn't even know the catechism,
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So I don't understand what they're hoping to get from this consultation synodal process,
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other than a mishmash of confusion and heresy and lots of other bad fruit, to be frank.
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Well, there's some really interesting aspects to what's going on.
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This is coming from Pope Francis, all about listening.
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The same Pope Francis that refused to listen to the dubia cardinals who begged and begged
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and waited for years until death to answer simple questions with regard to the clarity
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of faith, which he is charged as the Pope to answer, to clarify.
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So something's amiss right from the start about wanting to listen when he didn't want to listen.
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In fact, the wanting to listen aspect is also funny because there is an almost complete rejection
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of traditional Catholics when it comes to listening.
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On the part of all those rah-rah-ing for this synodal approach.
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In fact, if you look at what's going on in Germany, and I'd like you to speak to this,
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because Germany has already been going through a synodal process.
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We know that because we remember, horrifically so, that Cardinal Marx, who is the head of the
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church in Germany, and a cardinal chosen by Francis to sit on his special council, but talked
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openly about the synodal process in Germany going forward, even with things like the blessing
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of homosexual couples, which has no place in the church whatsoever.
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What's going on in Germany, and how does that reflect upon what we are to experience with
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The pretext for the German synodal way, or sometimes it's called the German synodal path,
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which started in, I believe it was February or March of 2019, immediately following the big
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summit in Rome regarding the plague of clerical sexual abuse.
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And that was the pretext for holding this, you know, German synodal path to discuss stuff that
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has nothing to do with that plague, by the way, but to really open a Pandora's box of all different
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kinds of things that are, as you mentioned, are not negotiable, not up for discussion.
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Um, so interestingly, in the handbook, uh, for the, uh, synod on synodality, which the formal
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title is, I think, um, for a synodal church, uh, communion participation mission, something
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So in the, in the introductory section, it says, um, many regions, I'm quoting now, many
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regions already have established processes for engaging with the faithful at the level
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We are conscious that there are a number of countries where the local church has initiated
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a synodal conversation of its own, including, and then it lists a few examples, the ecclesial
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assembly in Latin America and the Caribbean, and it has a link to that, the plenary council
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in Australia, it has a link to that, and the synodal journeys in, you guessed it, Germany
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Oh, by the way, this is already going on in Germany.
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Here's a link to it, no warning that this is completely heretical, what's going on in
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Germany and could very, really cause a schism and create a national German, you know, fake
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church, basically like the equivalent of the, uh, Chinese Catholic Patriotic Association,
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more or less in a little different way, but same, same concept.
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So no warning at all, just, you know, Hey, this is going on in Germany.
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And basically this is what's going to be going on in the universal church for the
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Yeah, basically it, it, it makes people, uh, hopefully wake up and be very concerned about
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I know Cardinal Burke, uh, Bishop Schneider, uh, have both spoken about this, uh, and, and
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even Cardinal Sarah, um, in, in being very concerned about this, most of the, you know,
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their commentary on it has been about how it is, uh, you know, it's being bandied about
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as a term to be used to be able to promote heresy within the church, uh, something that
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If I could also mention something that's unique about this particular synod, and you've, you've
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been covering this, uh, these synods much longer than I have.
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And just by the way, I, I greatly appreciate LifeSite News.
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I think you all do excellent work and we're in your debt, uh, uh, in the Catholic world.
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What's unique about this so-called synod on synodality is that in the, unlike previous
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synods, and I've gone back and, you know, looked at the different topics, each of them
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were devoted either to a specific doctrinal or pastoral subject.
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So to give one, a couple examples in 1974, the topic was evangelization in the modern
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world, 1977 catechesis in our times, 1980, the Christian family.
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So it had a very, you know, specific focus to it, uh, either a doctrinal or pastoral subject,
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or it was devoted to a particular region in the world.
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The focus of this current synod is much broader and it bears upon the very nature of the church
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Uh, it's really to the point of seeking to fundamentally and permanently change the church,
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or at least to change the traditional understanding of her divine constitution.
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And a perfect example of, of that being one of the goals of this process, um, is none other
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than, than Pope Francis himself in his opening address.
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So just to give people a timeline to help them understand how long this has been going on,
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Uh, it was first announced, the synodal process was announced in April, I believe.
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And then in May it was announced, originally it was supposed to just be a month long, you
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know, quote unquote, normal month long synod in Rome in October of 2022.
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And then in late May of this year, Pope Francis announced that it was going to be this longer
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We're currently in the diocesan phase right now.
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So it officially opened in Rome, uh, the weekend of October 9th and 10th, uh, with Pope Francis.
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And then in dioceses around the world, the following Sunday, October 17th, as we heard from Cardinal
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Dolan, and this is what Pope Francis said, uh, in his opening speech, he, he went so far
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as to quote a rather infamous character named Father Eve Congar, who was a, a progressive
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Dominican, what's known a paratus in, in Latin or a theological expert at Vatican II.
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He was also the co-founder, uh, one of the co-founders of the heterodox journal Concilium
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or Concilium, which is different from Communio, which was supposedly the more conservative one.
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And Pope Francis quoted him as in his opening address saying, quote, there is no need to
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create another church, but to create a different church.
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And I so appreciated, uh, your journalist, Michael Haynes wrote an article, you know, after
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the opening of the synod, quoting that text, a different church, I believe was the headline.
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And, uh, he asked me for some, some comments and I offered them.
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So basically that, you know, this was like a month after the preparatory document and the
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handbook had been released and I'd had a chance to review those documents.
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So this is what I, I said to Mr. Haynes in, in response to his request for comment, uh, between
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the Pope's own comments on the subject and the official documents issued by the Vatican, the
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synod on synodality is clearly intended to be an extension of the second Vatican council.
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And I said, you could even dub it Vatican three, because that's essentially what, uh,
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father Congar and his, uh, comrades at Concilium wanted those comrades included men like Hans
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Kung, um, notorious for heresy and, and other such figures, uh, Edward Schilbeck's, I don't,
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I'm not sure if I'm pronouncing that correctly, but all very notorious, bad, bad actors.
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So I went on to, to explain, you know, the preparatory document, for example, directly
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connects the synodal journey now beginning with the church's renewal proposed by the
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second Vatican council, um, and further confirmation, I mentioned, uh, the synod's connection to the
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council was Pope Francis about the whole, you know, we had no need to create, we don't need
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to create a new church, but a different church.
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Well, what, what is substantially is the difference?
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If you're going to create a different church, then you are creating something new.
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One of the commentaries that you get from, uh, Cardinal Tobin, again, one of the, um, you
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know, people, Pope Francis has moved into great prominence in the church, a very troubling
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background, of course, but that's for another, another time.
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He's been very open about what he thinks that the, uh, synod on synodality is about.
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He, he calls it sort of the Francis's long plan for changing the church.
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It is about, um, changing the church and the church being, uh, what it's supposed to
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You're talking about trying to change, uh, or make a different bride of Christ.
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Um, and I think that's extremely troubling, particularly coming from these characters.
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In fact, he said the, you know, previous synod or synods or councils in the church were
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about, uh, defining dogma and excluding people.
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He said, this is about, uh, a much different path of listening and inclusion and so on.
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This is very, very dangerous because the, the, the synods, yes, the, the councils in the
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They used to, uh, yes, let's get away from the heresies.
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We had a massive departure from that with the second Vatican council.
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It was one of the first council actually that kicked out all of the preparatory documents
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or schema as they used to be called, um, you know, beautiful writing, summing up the teaching
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of the church on all sorts of varied subjects, all kicked out before the council began.
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Um, but it really was the first council of ambiguity.
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And so continuing down this road of ambiguity when we're awash in it right now is very concerning.
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Indeed, we still have, uh, from John Paul II and Benedict, some attempt to make from the council
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documents, still some clarity, insist upon at least the moral clarity in the church.
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We've seen Pope Francis question the teaching on contraception, on cohabitation, on homosexuality
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with, with his invite for, uh, even civil recognition of, of civil same-sex unions, believe it or not.
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Um, we've seen all of these things from the Pope himself.
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Um, and so the church is already in a, in a state of disarray, not knowing what's what.
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Many good, faithful Catholics believing erroneously that your church has changed or could possibly
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change on these questions of morality, which is impossible.
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What do you see as coming from this synod on synodality, even in the interim, even in this
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The thrust behind this council is supposedly a consultation of the people of God, you know,
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console and using, it's very, in many ways, it's similar to Vatican II, that it uses legitimate
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concepts, ideas in some ways, but it kind of twists the meaning.
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Uh, one thing I did want to mention before we moved on.
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So this whole, this whole notion, it's, it's funny kind of that they, they bring up in the,
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um, paragraph 14 of the, the preparatory document, which is separate from the, the preparatory
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document is kind of like the, the theory, the theoretical, and then the handbook is more
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So in the preparatory document, it says, quote, the consultation of the people of God does
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not imply the assumption within the church of the dynamics of democracy based on the principle
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of majority, because there is at the basis of participation in every synodal process,
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a shared passion for the common mission of evangelization and not the representation of
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And when I read that, I immediately thought, you know, this is demonstrably false.
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If you just look at the, uh, the, all of the internal strife during the 2014, 2015 synods
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on the family, which I know LifeSite covered very thoroughly, as well as the 2019 Pan Amazon
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Synod Synod, I mean, those gatherings were defined by strife rooted precisely in what
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this preparatory document calls the representation of conflicting interests of opposing agendas.
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And yet at the same time, as I read earlier, the, the handbook for the same Synod on Synodality
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claims the heart of the synodal experience is listening to God through listening to one another,
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I mean, it says inspired by the word of God, but it, the emphasis is clearly on listening
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It's almost like we, the people of the Catholic church, like, you know, the preamble of the
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It's a bottom up, uh, very modernist approach because revelation did not well up from below.
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Psychologically, it does some grave harm to the faithful because it actually disturbs our
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If, if the church is what she is, the bride of Christ, there should be a stability there.
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The truths of Christ are the same yesterday, today, and forever.
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In fact, you could say we have that relationship with this person of Christ.
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And so if we can see this person of Christ changing, oh, just becoming a different church,
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This is incredibly disturbing for people because it shakes their notion of the constancy of their
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And I guess, I don't know how much thought they've given to that, but there is that.
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I wanted to also mention another aspect to this, which is interesting because here we are doing a
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consultation with the faithful, in some ways, that's a great thing.
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It's great to be able to express your concerns about what's going on in the church.
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I'm sure a lot of people, a lot of Catholics, perhaps even young Catholics, want to say certain
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things about, you know, to the older Catholics, like, hey, we love the Latin Mass.
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Um, and maybe getting that message out to the Vatican so that they can pick it up, uh,
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might be a very good thing indeed, but who are they talking to?
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And that's a really good question because here we are having a consultation with Catholics
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So a lot of people know and understand by now that there are a whole bunch of Catholics in
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They might be registered as Catholics, but very much like, uh, some of the Republicans
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in the Republican party, they're Republicans in name only.
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They're there for maybe the cultural reason or like, and hopefully not many like Nancy Pelosi
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and Joe Biden who are there for a political expediency or whether they think they are or
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They're not part of Catholic church by any means.
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They're totally pro-homosexual against the teachings of Jesus on these moral issues.
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So they've put themselves outside the church, period.
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Uh, might be nice that they, they, you know, believe that there is a Jesus, a very different
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The majority of people who refer to themselves as Catholics are that they believe something
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completely different than what the teaching of the church is.
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I can give some interesting quotes to answer that question from the handbook for the synod.
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So the section two of the official handbook is called Principles of a Synodal Process and
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Dioceses are called to keep in mind that the main subjects of this synodal experience are
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Special care should be taken to involve those persons who may risk being excluded.
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Women, the handicapped, refugees, migrants, the elderly, people who live in poverty.
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Catholics who rarely or never practice their faith.
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How are, I mean, with all due respect, how are those folks going to help the church get
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to a better place than the human element of the church is in right now?
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If you're cut off from the vine, cut off from the life of grace, which is what a person is
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if they rarely or never practice their faith, they're a dead member on the body of Christ.
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That's the sad reality, that they are not in a position spiritually to help anything.
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You're being the furthest thing from mean and nasty there, but I need you to unpack that
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a little bit more because many people might think, oh my gosh, you're so exclusionary.
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You guys are all about excluding, excluding, excluding.
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Actually, you're coming from a position of love.
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It's not that we're saying, oh, you're such a horrible person, a Catholic who rarely or
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Sure, we can consult them and find out why they're not practicing their faith and what
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But ultimately, the charitable and the merciful thing to do, one of the spiritual works of
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That's an act of mercy, to call them back to repentance, call them home to the life of
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God himself does not want anyone to be excluded.
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He says in 1 Timothy 2 that he wants all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of
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So there's a connection there between being saved and knowing and embracing the truth.
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They cannot benefit from the fruits of the redemption without knowing and embracing that
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So it is very much an act of mercy and inclusion to call people to conversion.
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And I'd like to, you know, bring this to a close in a few minutes here, but I wanted
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What is, in your mind, something that Catholics who care about the Church, who believe the truths
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of the Church, need to be doing at this time about Synod?
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The consultative process is open to literally everyone.
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I mean, the handbook says two paragraphs down, while all the baptized are specifically called
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to take part in the Synodal process, no one, no matter their religious affiliation, should
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You know, I guess at the, at your local parish level, you can ask your pastor, your parish
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You know, can I, I want to put in my, my two cents worth, so to speak.
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And every, as I said, every diocese around the world is supposed to be participating in
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Every diocese is supposed to have like a, I forget the formal title, but a diocesan point
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Every bishop of every diocese is supposed to be personally involved in listening to the
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So I guess the best advice I can give is make your voices heard in favor of, of the faith,
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the true faith, the true Church, and, and the tradition, you know.
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Father Mark Goring, who is a neat priest from Companions of the Cross up in Canada, he, he
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called, he had a very short message for the faithful to take part in the Synodal process
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This is what brings salvation, the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
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The Lord Jesus said, if you remain in my word, you will truly be my disciple, and you will
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know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
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Let me ask you also, Matt, you've studied this.
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What are your sort of final thoughts on where we are right now with this process and within
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Recently, as you know, Catholic Family News and LifeSite News had the privilege of publishing
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a new Advent meditation from His Excellency Archbishop Vigano, and I think he sums up pretty much where
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In the dramatic crisis that now for 60 years afflicts the Church of Christ and which today
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is showing itself in all its gravity, a possilus grex, that is a little flock, asks their Lord
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to save humanity that has gone astray when corruption and apostasy have penetrated even
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the sacred enclosure and unto the highest throne.
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So obviously, he's talking about the Church, what our friend Dr. Taylor Marshall would call
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the infiltration of the Church, and the highest throne is obviously a reference to the Chair
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He goes on to observe, think of how many believers raised in absolute ignorance of the fundamentals
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of the faith, despite having attended catechism, are steeped in heretical, philosophical, and
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theological doctrines, convinced that all religions are equal, ignorant of people who believe that
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man is not wounded by original sin but naturally good.
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That the state must ignore the true religion and tolerate error.
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He just goes on and on with this litany of terrible errors that many Catholics, sadly today,
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And it's basically, he ends this paragraph by saying, not even the most delirious ravings
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of the worst Freemason could have hoped to see the fulfillment of Voltaire's cry, which
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in the English translation is, crush the loathsome thing, referring to the Church.
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So basically, it's the dream of Freemasonry that he mentioned in his very first intervention
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regarding Vatican II, which both of our publications published.
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Back in June of 2000, he said, quote, that from Vatican II onwards, a parallel church was
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built, superimposed over and diametrically opposed to the true Church of Christ.
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This parallel church, he said, progressively obscured the divine institution founded by our
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Lord in order to replace it with a spurious entity corresponding to the desired universal religion
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that was first theorized by Masonry, end quote.
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I think that really summarizes where we're at in the Church today.
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Well, Matt Gaspers, thank you for being with us on this episode of the John Hunter Weston Show.
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