The John-Henry Westen Show - Vatican III： Francis' Synod on Synodality is going to be 'a mishmash of confusion and heresy'

00:00:00.000 Things seem to have been quiet from the Vatican for the past little while.

00:00:03.680 We've been wondering what's going on.

00:00:05.620 And since the last word we heard was the kind of dismantling of the traditional Latin Mass

00:00:11.240 with the implementation of Tradiciones Custodes of Pope Francis,

00:00:17.620 something has been going on in the background.

00:00:20.620 It's the Synod on Synodality.

00:00:22.560 All the bishops of the world are getting messages from the faithful and forwarding them to Rome.

00:00:27.200 What is this?

00:00:28.200 What does it portend for the church?

00:00:30.300 We're going to find out today from Matt Gaspers, who's with us.

00:00:33.220 He is the managing editor over at Catholic Family News, a great publication.

00:00:38.420 Go check it out from the late John Venari, a friend of LifeSite and very holy fellow.

00:00:44.520 But we'll get into that more.

00:00:47.180 You're going to want to stay tuned to find out what's up in Rome.

00:00:58.200 Matt Gaspers, welcome to the program.

00:01:10.960 Thank you so much for inviting me, John Henry.

00:01:12.840 It's a pleasure.

00:01:13.780 Let's begin as we always do at the sign of the cross.

00:01:16.700 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

00:01:21.740 Amen.

00:01:22.100 Amen.

00:01:22.740 Amen.

00:01:23.040 So, Matt, you're one of the very few people who probably have read the whole of the documents

00:01:31.240 that led up to this Synod on Synodality.

00:01:34.300 First of all, can you tell us what this is and what it's all about?

00:01:37.980 Sure.

00:01:38.360 To the best of my ability, because as Cardinal Dolan famously said on the weekend that the

00:01:43.380 Synod opened around the world, October 17th, you know, he asked rhetorically, just what

00:01:49.000 is synodality?

00:01:49.940 I don't really know.

00:01:52.120 Let's play that clip.

00:01:53.680 Just get that.

00:01:56.140 Now, you ask, just what is synodality, of which Pope Francis so often speaks?

00:02:06.100 I don't know if I completely understand it, everybody. 0.95

00:02:11.580 Yeah, so, I mean, it's humorous, but it's also really sad and pathetic.

00:02:15.780 I mean, when the Cardinal Archbishop of New York is saying, I don't really know what it 0.64

00:02:20.580 is, everybody, and neither does Pope Francis.

00:02:23.580 Okay, so what are we supposed to do with this?

00:02:28.100 But as I understand it, you know, based on the literature that's been published by the

00:02:32.140 Vatican, it's pushing the notion that Pope Francis has repeated on numerous occasions.

00:02:37.960 I think it was from a 2018 speech that he gave, I forget the exact context, but his claim is

00:02:46.100 that God expects the church to be synodal in the third millennium.

00:02:50.520 That's paraphrasing the quote, and it's quoted in the official literature.

00:02:54.940 I don't know how he claims to know that infallibly, if he receives some sort of private revelation

00:03:00.960 that the rest of us are not privy to, but he says that God expects this of the church

00:03:06.580 in the third millennium.

00:03:08.100 So synodality is simply, you know, synodos, or synodos, I'm not a Greek scholar, but I do

00:03:14.480 know that the word means basically walking together, and that's what, hence the logo, the official

00:03:20.860 logo, you've probably seen it.

00:03:22.680 It looks like it's a crayon drawing by an elementary school student, which certainly doesn't lend

00:03:27.880 much dignity or sacredness to this event that they want us to take so seriously.

00:03:37.800 So basically, it's consulting, as I understand it, it's a consultation, a general consultation

00:03:44.200 of the entire people of God, you know, the popular Vatican II phrase, to the end of listening

00:03:51.500 to what the Holy Ghost, the Holy Spirit has to say.

00:03:54.480 This is a direct quote from the official handbook in Latin.

00:03:59.880 It's called the Vade Mecum, and this is in section 4.1 of that document, which is a summary

00:04:06.780 of what is envisaged in the diocesan phase.

00:04:10.480 That's the other novelty about this particular synod, is that it's divided up into various

00:04:15.460 phases.

00:04:15.860 It's actually a two-year process.

00:04:18.200 So we're going to be covering this for the long haul, unfortunately, but this is the

00:04:22.960 quote from the handbook regarding the purpose of the synod.

00:04:27.220 It says, quote, the heart of the synodal experience is listening to God through listening to one

00:04:35.320 another, inspired by the word of God.

00:04:38.360 We listen to each other in order to better hear the voice of the Holy Spirit speaking in

00:04:45.400 our world today, end quote.

00:04:48.580 So my issue with that is, you know, my understanding is that the Holy Ghost speaks to us through

00:04:55.780 public revelation, through scripture, through tradition, and through the voice of the magisterium,

00:05:02.440 not by listening to my neighbor in the pew, who probably doesn't even know the catechism,

00:05:07.880 if you know what I mean.

00:05:10.780 So I don't understand what they're hoping to get from this consultation synodal process,

00:05:18.500 other than a mishmash of confusion and heresy and lots of other bad fruit, to be frank.

00:05:27.820 Well, there's some really interesting aspects to what's going on.

00:05:30.540 This is coming from Pope Francis, all about listening.

00:05:34.620 The same Pope Francis that refused to listen to the dubia cardinals who begged and begged

00:05:41.680 and waited for years until death to answer simple questions with regard to the clarity

00:05:48.180 of faith, which he is charged as the Pope to answer, to clarify.

00:05:53.420 That's his whole mission.

00:05:55.160 And yet he didn't do that.

00:05:56.180 So something's amiss right from the start about wanting to listen when he didn't want to listen.

00:06:02.600 In fact, he completely rejected it.

00:06:04.320 In fact, the wanting to listen aspect is also funny because there is an almost complete rejection

00:06:11.580 of traditional Catholics when it comes to listening. 0.50

00:06:14.680 On the part of all those rah-rah-ing for this synodal approach. 1.00

00:06:20.020 In fact, if you look at what's going on in Germany, and I'd like you to speak to this,

00:06:24.080 because Germany has already been going through a synodal process.

00:06:27.820 We know that because we remember, horrifically so, that Cardinal Marx, who is the head of the

00:06:35.020 church in Germany, and a cardinal chosen by Francis to sit on his special council, but talked

00:06:41.860 openly about the synodal process in Germany going forward, even with things like the blessing

00:06:47.760 of homosexual couples, which has no place in the church whatsoever.

00:06:50.780 So address that, if you would.

00:06:54.100 What's going on in Germany, and how does that reflect upon what we are to experience with

00:06:58.260 the synod of synodality?

00:06:59.940 The pretext for the German synodal way, or sometimes it's called the German synodal path,

00:07:05.720 which started in, I believe it was February or March of 2019, immediately following the big

00:07:11.840 summit in Rome regarding the plague of clerical sexual abuse.

00:07:15.980 And that was the pretext for holding this, you know, German synodal path to discuss stuff that

00:07:22.760 has nothing to do with that plague, by the way, but to really open a Pandora's box of all different

00:07:29.140 kinds of things that are, as you mentioned, are not negotiable, not up for discussion.

00:07:33.020 Um, so interestingly, in the handbook, uh, for the, uh, synod on synodality, which the formal

00:07:42.440 title is, I think, um, for a synodal church, uh, communion participation mission, something

00:07:49.760 like that.

00:07:50.240 So in the, in the introductory section, it says, um, many regions, I'm quoting now, many

00:07:58.340 regions already have established processes for engaging with the faithful at the level

00:08:04.280 of their parishes, movements, and dioceses.

00:08:07.480 We are conscious that there are a number of countries where the local church has initiated

00:08:13.180 a synodal conversation of its own, including, and then it lists a few examples, the ecclesial

00:08:19.520 assembly in Latin America and the Caribbean, and it has a link to that, the plenary council

00:08:24.860 in Australia, it has a link to that, and the synodal journeys in, you guessed it, Germany

00:08:31.640 linked to their website and Ireland.

00:08:34.920 So just this very subtle passing reference.

00:08:37.900 Oh, by the way, this is already going on in Germany.

00:08:39.900 Here's a link to it, no warning that this is completely heretical, what's going on in

00:08:45.300 Germany and could very, really cause a schism and create a national German, you know, fake 0.83

00:08:51.580 church, basically like the equivalent of the, uh, Chinese Catholic Patriotic Association,

00:08:57.320 more or less in a little different way, but same, same concept.

00:09:02.460 So no warning at all, just, you know, Hey, this is going on in Germany.

00:09:06.580 And basically this is what's going to be going on in the universal church for the

00:09:09.820 next two years.

00:09:10.780 So buckle, buckle your seatbelts.

00:09:13.320 Yeah, basically it, it, it makes people, uh, hopefully wake up and be very concerned about

00:09:19.280 what's coming.

00:09:19.840 I know Cardinal Burke, uh, Bishop Schneider, uh, have both spoken about this, uh, and, and

00:09:26.000 even Cardinal Sarah, um, in, in being very concerned about this, most of the, you know,

00:09:32.900 their commentary on it has been about how it is, uh, you know, it's being bandied about

00:09:38.120 as a term to be used to be able to promote heresy within the church, uh, something that

00:09:43.620 can't really happen.

00:09:45.180 If I could also mention something that's unique about this particular synod, and you've, you've

00:09:49.360 been covering this, uh, these synods much longer than I have.

00:09:52.360 And just by the way, I, I greatly appreciate LifeSite News.

00:09:55.420 I think you all do excellent work and we're in your debt, uh, uh, in the Catholic world.

00:10:00.560 So thank you for all that you do.

00:10:02.640 What's unique about this so-called synod on synodality is that in the, unlike previous

00:10:07.640 synods, and I've gone back and, you know, looked at the different topics, each of them

00:10:12.460 were devoted either to a specific doctrinal or pastoral subject.

00:10:16.720 So to give one, a couple examples in 1974, the topic was evangelization in the modern

00:10:22.940 world, 1977 catechesis in our times, 1980, the Christian family.

00:10:28.820 So it had a very, you know, specific focus to it, uh, either a doctrinal or pastoral subject,

00:10:35.340 or it was devoted to a particular region in the world.

00:10:38.460 The focus of this current synod is much broader and it bears upon the very nature of the church

00:10:44.880 herself, which is very concerning.

00:10:46.720 Uh, it's really to the point of seeking to fundamentally and permanently change the church,

00:10:53.220 or at least to change the traditional understanding of her divine constitution. 0.97

00:10:58.220 And a perfect example of, of that being one of the goals of this process, um, is none other

00:11:05.420 than, than Pope Francis himself in his opening address.

00:11:08.280 So just to give people a timeline to help them understand how long this has been going on,

00:11:12.600 where we're at in the process.

00:11:13.900 Uh, it was first announced, the synodal process was announced in April, I believe.

00:11:20.400 And then in May it was announced, originally it was supposed to just be a month long, you

00:11:25.940 know, quote unquote, normal month long synod in Rome in October of 2022.

00:11:31.020 And then in late May of this year, Pope Francis announced that it was going to be this longer

00:11:36.620 two-year thing with different phases.

00:11:39.260 We're currently in the diocesan phase right now.

00:11:42.000 So it officially opened in Rome, uh, the weekend of October 9th and 10th, uh, with Pope Francis.

00:11:48.120 And then in dioceses around the world, the following Sunday, October 17th, as we heard from Cardinal

00:11:53.120 Dolan, and this is what Pope Francis said, uh, in his opening speech, he, he went so far

00:12:00.120 as to quote a rather infamous character named Father Eve Congar, who was a, a progressive

00:12:06.600 Dominican, what's known a paratus in, in Latin or a theological expert at Vatican II.

00:12:12.260 He was also the co-founder, uh, one of the co-founders of the heterodox journal Concilium

00:12:19.200 or Concilium, which is different from Communio, which was supposedly the more conservative one.

00:12:25.100 And Pope Francis quoted him as in his opening address saying, quote, there is no need to

00:12:31.100 create another church, but to create a different church.

00:12:36.040 And I so appreciated, uh, your journalist, Michael Haynes wrote an article, you know, after

00:12:41.320 the opening of the synod, quoting that text, a different church, I believe was the headline.

00:12:46.980 And, uh, he asked me for some, some comments and I offered them.

00:12:51.500 So basically that, you know, this was like a month after the preparatory document and the

00:12:55.740 handbook had been released and I'd had a chance to review those documents.

00:12:59.080 So this is what I, I said to Mr. Haynes in, in response to his request for comment, uh, between

00:13:05.540 the Pope's own comments on the subject and the official documents issued by the Vatican, the

00:13:10.880 synod on synodality is clearly intended to be an extension of the second Vatican council.

00:13:15.860 And I said, you could even dub it Vatican three, because that's essentially what, uh,

00:13:21.400 father Congar and his, uh, comrades at Concilium wanted those comrades included men like Hans

00:13:27.580 Kung, um, notorious for heresy and, and other such figures, uh, Edward Schilbeck's, I don't, 0.81

00:13:35.120 I'm not sure if I'm pronouncing that correctly, but all very notorious, bad, bad actors.

00:13:40.040 So I went on to, to explain, you know, the preparatory document, for example, directly

00:13:47.020 connects the synodal journey now beginning with the church's renewal proposed by the

00:13:51.880 second Vatican council, um, and further confirmation, I mentioned, uh, the synod's connection to the

00:13:59.480 council was Pope Francis about the whole, you know, we had no need to create, we don't need

00:14:04.840 to create a new church, but a different church.

00:14:07.280 Well, what, what is substantially is the difference?

00:14:09.320 If you're going to create a different church, then you are creating something new.

00:14:14.260 So.

00:14:14.840 One of the commentaries that you get from, uh, Cardinal Tobin, again, one of the, um, you

00:14:21.380 know, people, Pope Francis has moved into great prominence in the church, a very troubling

00:14:25.600 background, of course, but that's for another, another time.

00:14:28.420 He's been very open about what he thinks that the, uh, synod on synodality is about.

00:14:34.920 He, he calls it sort of the Francis's long plan for changing the church.

00:14:39.840 Uh, and it is about changing the church.

00:14:41.760 It is about, um, changing the church and the church being, uh, what it's supposed to

00:14:48.000 be, uh, the bride of Christ.

00:14:49.620 You're talking about trying to change, uh, or make a different bride of Christ. 0.82

00:14:55.180 Um, and I think that's extremely troubling, particularly coming from these characters.

00:15:00.620 And, and Tobin was very upfront about it.

00:15:02.880 In fact, he said the, you know, previous synod or synods or councils in the church were

00:15:07.800 about, uh, defining dogma and excluding people.

00:15:11.520 He said, this is about, uh, a much different path of listening and inclusion and so on.

00:15:18.380 This is very, very dangerous because the, the, the synods, yes, the, the councils in the

00:15:24.800 church, they used to all be about clarity.

00:15:27.800 They used to, uh, yes, let's get away from the heresies.

00:15:31.660 Let's define it, make it clear for the people.

00:15:33.860 We had a massive departure from that with the second Vatican council.

00:15:38.560 It was one of the first council actually that kicked out all of the preparatory documents

00:15:43.180 or schema as they used to be called, um, you know, beautiful writing, summing up the teaching

00:15:47.960 of the church on all sorts of varied subjects, all kicked out before the council began.

00:15:53.680 Um, but it really was the first council of ambiguity.

00:15:57.680 And so continuing down this road of ambiguity when we're awash in it right now is very concerning.

00:16:04.280 Indeed, we still have, uh, from John Paul II and Benedict, some attempt to make from the council

00:16:11.040 documents, still some clarity, insist upon at least the moral clarity in the church.

00:16:17.320 Um, and yet that's all now in question.

00:16:19.980 We've seen Pope Francis question the teaching on contraception, on cohabitation, on homosexuality

00:16:25.820 with, with his invite for, uh, even civil recognition of, of civil same-sex unions, believe it or not.

00:16:32.780 Um, we've seen all of these things from the Pope himself.

00:16:37.520 Um, and so the church is already in a, in a state of disarray, not knowing what's what.

00:16:42.500 Many good, faithful Catholics believing erroneously that your church has changed or could possibly

00:16:49.060 change on these questions of morality, which is impossible.

00:16:52.580 What do you see as coming from this synod on synodality, even in the interim, even in this

00:17:00.100 first stage of, of feeding it?

00:17:02.240 The thrust behind this council is supposedly a consultation of the people of God, you know,

00:17:09.040 console and using, it's very, in many ways, it's similar to Vatican II, that it uses legitimate

00:17:15.780 concepts, ideas in some ways, but it kind of twists the meaning.

00:17:20.280 Yeah.

00:17:20.420 I can give a couple of examples here.

00:17:23.240 Uh, one thing I did want to mention before we moved on.

00:17:26.900 So this whole, this whole notion, it's, it's funny kind of that they, they bring up in the,

00:17:32.700 um, paragraph 14 of the, the preparatory document, which is separate from the, the preparatory

00:17:39.120 document is kind of like the, the theory, the theoretical, and then the handbook is more

00:17:44.140 of the practical how to implement this thing.

00:17:46.520 So in the preparatory document, it says, quote, the consultation of the people of God does

00:17:53.460 not imply the assumption within the church of the dynamics of democracy based on the principle

00:17:59.160 of majority, because there is at the basis of participation in every synodal process,

00:18:05.380 a shared passion for the common mission of evangelization and not the representation of

00:18:12.340 conflicting interests.

00:18:13.760 And when I read that, I immediately thought, you know, this is demonstrably false.

00:18:18.480 If you just look at the, uh, the, all of the internal strife during the 2014, 2015 synods

00:18:25.660 on the family, which I know LifeSite covered very thoroughly, as well as the 2019 Pan Amazon

00:18:32.140 Synod Synod, I mean, those gatherings were defined by strife rooted precisely in what

00:18:38.700 this preparatory document calls the representation of conflicting interests of opposing agendas.

00:18:45.700 And yet at the same time, as I read earlier, the, the handbook for the same Synod on Synodality

00:18:52.440 claims the heart of the synodal experience is listening to God through listening to one another,

00:19:00.180 not through listening to scripture.

00:19:02.320 I mean, it says inspired by the word of God, but it, the emphasis is clearly on listening

00:19:09.020 to the people.

00:19:10.320 It's almost like we, the people of the Catholic church, like, you know, the preamble of the

00:19:15.120 United States constitution.

00:19:16.520 It's a bottom up, uh, very modernist approach because revelation did not well up from below.

00:19:24.720 It was given to us.

00:19:26.120 It was handed down from above.

00:19:27.860 So it's, it's inverting the truth there.

00:19:31.340 Psychologically, it does some grave harm to the faithful because it actually disturbs our

00:19:37.500 whole notion of God in a way.

00:19:41.000 If, if the church is what she is, the bride of Christ, there should be a stability there. 0.87

00:19:46.680 The truths of Christ are the same yesterday, today, and forever.

00:19:49.740 And therefore we have that surety.

00:19:52.360 We have that.

00:19:53.100 In fact, you could say we have that relationship with this person of Christ.

00:19:58.500 And so if we can see this person of Christ changing, oh, just becoming a different church,

00:20:05.260 becoming a different bride of Christ.

00:20:06.740 This is incredibly disturbing for people because it shakes their notion of the constancy of their

00:20:15.000 savior, their spouse, their God, their church.

00:20:17.600 It's incredible what, what this does.

00:20:20.140 And I guess, I don't know how much thought they've given to that, but there is that.

00:20:24.760 I wanted to also mention another aspect to this, which is interesting because here we are doing a

00:20:30.200 consultation with the faithful, in some ways, that's a great thing.

00:20:33.760 It's great to be able to express your concerns about what's going on in the church.

00:20:38.520 I'm sure a lot of people, a lot of Catholics, perhaps even young Catholics, want to say certain

00:20:43.380 things about, you know, to the older Catholics, like, hey, we love the Latin Mass.

00:20:48.840 What are you doing with it?

00:20:49.720 Why are you putting it away?

00:20:50.960 Look at all of us and our families going here.

00:20:52.980 Aren't you seeing this?

00:20:54.060 Are we the only ones seeing this?

00:20:55.940 Something happens to be wrong.

00:20:57.640 Um, and maybe getting that message out to the Vatican so that they can pick it up, uh,

00:21:02.780 might be a very good thing indeed, but who are they talking to?

00:21:08.060 And that's a really good question because here we are having a consultation with Catholics

00:21:14.240 supposedly, and yet who are they talking to?

00:21:19.160 So a lot of people know and understand by now that there are a whole bunch of Catholics in

00:21:23.780 the world that aren't really Catholics.

00:21:25.240 They're not living the faith at all.

00:21:26.980 They are on the books as Catholics.

00:21:29.400 They might be registered as Catholics, but very much like, uh, some of the Republicans

00:21:33.380 in the Republican party, they're Republicans in name only.

00:21:35.760 They're Catholics in name only. 0.82

00:21:37.260 They're there for maybe the cultural reason or like, and hopefully not many like Nancy Pelosi

00:21:43.800 and Joe Biden who are there for a political expediency or whether they think they are or

00:21:49.380 not.

00:21:49.800 They're not part of Catholic church by any means.

00:21:52.260 They're totally pro-abortion. 0.70

00:21:53.540 They're totally pro-homosexual against the teachings of Jesus on these moral issues. 0.64

00:21:58.320 So they've put themselves outside the church, period.

00:22:01.440 There's no, there's no way around that.

00:22:04.840 Uh, might be nice that they, they, you know, believe that there is a Jesus, a very different

00:22:09.320 Jesus than the actual Jesus, of course.

00:22:11.000 But it's very, very disturbing.

00:22:14.540 But yet this is the majority of people.

00:22:17.460 I hate to say it, but it is.

00:22:18.760 I mean, I think that's plainly obvious.

00:22:20.520 The majority of people who refer to themselves as Catholics are that they believe something

00:22:24.780 completely different than what the teaching of the church is.

00:22:27.460 But yet, who is this consultation with?

00:22:31.100 I can give some interesting quotes to answer that question from the handbook for the synod.

00:22:37.200 So the section two of the official handbook is called Principles of a Synodal Process and

00:22:43.860 two point, section 2.1, who can participate?

00:22:47.560 This is what the document says, quote,

00:22:49.160 Dioceses are called to keep in mind that the main subjects of this synodal experience are

00:22:55.360 all the baptized.

00:22:57.020 Seems pretty straightforward.

00:22:58.860 Special care should be taken to involve those persons who may risk being excluded.

00:23:03.900 Then it gives a list.

00:23:05.440 Women, the handicapped, refugees, migrants, the elderly, people who live in poverty.

00:23:11.680 And this is the kicker.

00:23:13.220 Catholics who rarely or never practice their faith.

00:23:16.680 How are, I mean, with all due respect, how are those folks going to help the church get

00:23:22.880 to a better place than the human element of the church is in right now?

00:23:27.200 You can't.

00:23:28.100 If you're cut off from the vine, cut off from the life of grace, which is what a person is

00:23:34.920 if they rarely or never practice their faith, they're a dead member on the body of Christ.

00:23:40.500 That's the sad reality, that they are not in a position spiritually to help anything.

00:23:45.880 They need to get their own house in order.

00:23:48.840 You're being the furthest thing from mean and nasty there, but I need you to unpack that

00:23:54.340 a little bit more because many people might think, oh my gosh, you're so exclusionary.

00:23:57.500 Pope Francis was right in the first place.

00:23:58.900 You guys are all about excluding, excluding, excluding.

00:24:02.540 Actually, you're coming from a position of love.

00:24:05.220 Explain that for us. 0.96

00:24:06.480 It's not that we're saying, oh, you're such a horrible person, a Catholic who rarely or 1.00

00:24:09.920 never practices their faith.

00:24:11.220 Sure, we can consult them and find out why they're not practicing their faith and what

00:24:16.080 the problem is.

00:24:16.920 But ultimately, the charitable and the merciful thing to do, one of the spiritual works of

00:24:23.840 mercy is to instruct the ignorant.

00:24:27.800 It's also to admonish the sinner. 0.92

00:24:30.000 That's an act of mercy, to call them back to repentance, call them home to the life of

00:24:35.540 grace, to the life of the sacraments.

00:24:37.860 So we're certainly not about excluding anyone.

00:24:40.080 We don't want anyone to be excluded.

00:24:41.940 God himself does not want anyone to be excluded.

00:24:44.520 He says in 1 Timothy 2 that he wants all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of

00:24:52.480 the truth.

00:24:53.720 So there's a connection there between being saved and knowing and embracing the truth.

00:24:59.260 Folks cannot be saved.

00:25:01.180 They cannot benefit from the fruits of the redemption without knowing and embracing that

00:25:07.460 revealed truth.

00:25:08.600 So it is very much an act of mercy and inclusion to call people to conversion.

00:25:14.660 And I'd like to, you know, bring this to a close in a few minutes here, but I wanted

00:25:20.240 to ask you one more question specifically.

00:25:22.240 What is, in your mind, something that Catholics who care about the Church, who believe the truths

00:25:28.940 of the Church, need to be doing at this time about Synod?

00:25:32.960 The consultative process is open to literally everyone.

00:25:37.460 I mean, the handbook says two paragraphs down, while all the baptized are specifically called

00:25:43.480 to take part in the Synodal process, no one, no matter their religious affiliation, should 0.95

00:25:48.780 be excluded.

00:25:49.520 So literally, this is wide open to everybody.

00:25:51.740 You know, I guess at the, at your local parish level, you can ask your pastor, your parish

00:25:57.320 priest, what's going on?

00:26:00.680 You know, can I, I want to put in my, my two cents worth, so to speak.

00:26:06.480 And every, as I said, every diocese around the world is supposed to be participating in

00:26:13.240 this process.

00:26:13.880 Every diocese is supposed to have like a, I forget the formal title, but a diocesan point

00:26:18.700 person.

00:26:19.640 Every bishop of every diocese is supposed to be personally involved in listening to the

00:26:24.140 people of God.

00:26:25.560 So I guess the best advice I can give is make your voices heard in favor of, of the faith,

00:26:32.220 the true faith, the true Church, and, and the tradition, you know.

00:26:36.800 Father Mark Goring, who is a neat priest from Companions of the Cross up in Canada, he, he

00:26:43.940 called, he had a very short message for the faithful to take part in the Synodal process

00:26:49.220 type of thing.

00:26:50.040 Let's have a look at that.

00:26:52.740 Let your voice be heard.

00:26:54.600 My point is, no silly stuff. 0.92

00:26:57.340 We see silly stuff happening in Germany.

00:27:00.800 And I want you to make your voice heard. 0.83

00:27:03.100 I'm going to make my voice heard.

00:27:04.560 No silly stuff.

00:27:05.620 Give me the true, unwatered down gospel.

00:27:10.300 This is what brings salvation, the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

00:27:16.080 The Lord Jesus said, if you remain in my word, you will truly be my disciple, and you will

00:27:26.120 know the truth, and the truth will set you free.

00:27:31.140 So that was Father Mark Goring.

00:27:32.980 Let me ask you also, Matt, you've studied this.

00:27:39.420 What are your sort of final thoughts on where we are right now with this process and within

00:27:46.360 the Church generally?

00:27:47.400 Recently, as you know, Catholic Family News and LifeSite News had the privilege of publishing

00:27:52.780 a new Advent meditation from His Excellency Archbishop Vigano, and I think he sums up pretty much where

00:28:00.780 we are pretty well in that meditation.

00:28:03.400 In the dramatic crisis that now for 60 years afflicts the Church of Christ and which today

00:28:09.720 is showing itself in all its gravity, a possilus grex, that is a little flock, asks their Lord

00:28:17.880 to save humanity that has gone astray when corruption and apostasy have penetrated even 0.98

00:28:24.180 the sacred enclosure and unto the highest throne.

00:28:27.660 So obviously, he's talking about the Church, what our friend Dr. Taylor Marshall would call

00:28:31.720 the infiltration of the Church, and the highest throne is obviously a reference to the Chair

00:28:36.280 of Peter.

00:28:37.940 He goes on to observe, think of how many believers raised in absolute ignorance of the fundamentals

00:28:44.380 of the faith, despite having attended catechism, are steeped in heretical, philosophical, and

00:28:50.700 theological doctrines, convinced that all religions are equal, ignorant of people who believe that

00:28:57.700 man is not wounded by original sin but naturally good.

00:29:00.960 How many Catholics believe that lie?

00:29:03.680 A lot.

00:29:05.040 That the state must ignore the true religion and tolerate error. 0.95

00:29:08.560 He just goes on and on with this litany of terrible errors that many Catholics, sadly today, 0.98

00:29:14.320 believe.

00:29:15.960 And it's basically, he ends this paragraph by saying, not even the most delirious ravings

00:29:21.700 of the worst Freemason could have hoped to see the fulfillment of Voltaire's cry, which 0.78

00:29:28.000 in the English translation is, crush the loathsome thing, referring to the Church.

00:29:32.460 So basically, it's the dream of Freemasonry that he mentioned in his very first intervention

00:29:39.580 regarding Vatican II, which both of our publications published.

00:29:44.320 Back in June of 2000, he said, quote, that from Vatican II onwards, a parallel church was

00:29:51.000 built, superimposed over and diametrically opposed to the true Church of Christ.

00:29:56.660 This parallel church, he said, progressively obscured the divine institution founded by our

00:30:03.200 Lord in order to replace it with a spurious entity corresponding to the desired universal religion

00:30:09.960 that was first theorized by Masonry, end quote.

00:30:14.540 I think that really summarizes where we're at in the Church today.

00:30:17.760 Well, Matt Gaspers, thank you for being with us on this episode of the John Hunter Weston Show.

00:30:22.660 I would encourage people to go check out Catholic Family News.

00:30:26.700 Matt does a great job there with his team to bring truth, especially to Catholics who are

00:30:33.320 searching for it in this wild west of a time that we're dealing with.

00:30:38.900 God bless you, Matt.

00:30:39.840 Thank you.

00:30:40.300 God bless you.

00:30:41.200 And God bless all of you.

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The John-Henry Westen Show - December 07, 2021

Vatican III： Francis' Synod on Synodality is going to be 'a mishmash of confusion and heresy'

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