When we talk about Israel and everything else, there are all sorts of charges thrown around: are you pro-Hamas? Are you anti-Semitic? Well, we come at it from a very studied perspective with our lead reporter, Patrick Delaney.
00:06:29.900That began the journey for me, John Henry, looking into this and following these issues and figuring out where we can find the truth and where the truth lies and where propaganda can really kind of take us off the path.
00:06:46.420You said a number of very interesting things there, because I think a lot of people have this in mind as if it's a religious conflict.
00:06:55.920And, you know, it's really Jews versus Muslims.
00:07:08.140And you said you talked with the patriarch of Jerusalem or you learned from him.
00:07:14.940Explain the sort of religious and racial cultural makeup of the lands there.
00:07:20.720Yeah, the Christians in the Holy Land were a high percentage before 1948 when Israel was instituted by what the Palestinians called the Nakba, the catastrophe, where Israeli armies, after the partition from the United Nations, took more land and pushed Palestinians off their land, burned down their villages.
00:07:43.200There's a great book called Blood Brothers by Archbishop Shakur, and he is an archbishop in Galilee.
00:08:41.540And we sat there, the Latin Patriarchate, and he just gave a whole description of all of this, of the history of the region and the different peoples and so forth.
00:08:50.960So there was a high percentage of Christians there.
00:08:55.020When you say high, what are you talking?
00:08:58.200I think I mean like from what I recall, John Henry, at least in Bethlehem, in 1940, they had about 70 to 80 percent Christians in that population.
00:09:13.980And now I think it's down to about 12 percent.
00:09:18.100And so there's been a mass exodus of Christians.
00:09:20.800There's a big effort on the part of the church to support the Christians in the Holy Land to ensure that there are living stones there, that there is a vibrant church where our divine Lord Jesus Christ walked and where he, you know, was crucified, died and rose again.
00:09:37.860That percentage is so stunning because to go from 70 to 80 percent Christian down to 12 percent and perhaps now lower because of the wars going on in the Holy Land.
00:09:54.260That seems to fit the idea of genocide.
00:09:56.080How do the bishops explain what happened there?
00:09:57.980That's a great question, because the Christians in the Holy Land are very clear.
00:10:03.080And in fact, this gives us an insight into why our information is sort of skewed here in the West as well.
00:10:10.04060 Minutes, I think this was back in 2012, did a segment on the Christians in the Holy Land.
00:10:17.440And while they were filming it, the Christians said that the entire reason they were leaving was because of the Israeli occupation of internationally recognized Palestinian territories and the terrible conditions they have to live under.
00:10:37.340The major problem in the West Bank, as in elsewhere in the Middle East, is that the Christian communities are living under duress.
00:10:43.880And this duress is coming from Muslims, not from the Israeli occupation?
00:10:48.480I believe that the major duress is coming from that.
00:10:57.400Zahi Hurri is a Palestinian businessman.
00:11:00.740He owns the West Bank Coca-Cola franchise.
00:11:04.140I'll tell you, I don't know of anybody and I probably have 12,000 customers here.
00:11:12.460I've never heard that, that someone is leaving because of Islamic persecution.
00:11:17.060So what we see from this clip is that the Christians in the Holy Land say that basically the only reason they're leaving is because of the Israeli occupation.
00:11:28.740And the checkpoints that they have to cross, the humiliations, the insecurity, the wall that the Israelis put up, this enormous wall that isolates them, the settlements, the violence, and so forth.
00:11:46.220And the Zionist side in the United States wants to say, oh, they are under the thumb of the Muslims, and they are being persecuted by the Muslims.
00:11:57.640But the Christians say that nobody says that there, that this is in the 60 Minutes segment, and that it's entirely the Israeli occupation.
00:12:08.400And then what happened, while this was CBS News doing a 60 Minutes show, the ambassador to the United States from Israel, Michael Oren, I believe his name was, called the president of CBS News to try to get the story spiked.
00:12:25.560What frightens Zionists, in my judgment, more than anything, is for Christians to understand what the Christians in the Holy Land are saying.
00:12:34.740Because obviously they have enormous credibility.
00:12:37.600And when the unanimous and constant voice of all the bishops in the region, all the different local churches, the Catholic rites, and the Orthodox rites are all saying the same thing,
00:12:54.320then that becomes a very prudential piece of information if we're going to make sound prudential judgments about what's happening there.
00:13:03.700In 2009, this group of Christian activists did something unprecedented.
00:13:10.140They published a document called Kairos, criticizing Islamic extremism and advocating nonviolent resistance to the Israeli occupation, which they called a sin against God.
00:13:22.780It was endorsed by the leaders of 13 Christian denominations, including Greek Orthodox, Roman Catholic, Lutheran, and Anglican.
00:13:32.660These are denominations who have been exceedingly critical of the state of Israel, and sometimes to the point of going beyond legitimate criticism.
00:13:40.740So what does that mean, to go beyond legitimate criticism?
00:13:43.020Well, I think accusing us of crimes that would be very, I think, historically associated with anti-Semitism.
00:13:51.340And it was actually so inflammatory, Bob, that we didn't, many of us didn't even bother responding to it.
00:13:58.400They are fearful of this document because they are afraid this might influence the Christian world.
00:14:05.340Reverend Rahib, who helped write the document, says it's anything but anti-Semitic.
00:14:10.340This document doesn't ask for violence.
00:14:18.400The most powerful thing in this document, actually, is that asking for hope and love and faith.
00:14:25.920So you mean to say that the Christians are saying the same thing, and all of the Christian leadership, Catholic, Orthodox, etc., they're all saying this same thing.
00:14:36.280And yet, here in the West, it seems like we, Catholics and Christians of Protestant denominations and Orthodox altogether, seem to have the opposite opinion.
00:14:49.520Yes, precisely, because we watch television.
00:14:56.720First of all, they're obviously focused most on their own dioceses, their own flocks, and so forth.
00:15:04.480I've never seen a bishop contradict what the bishops in the Holy Land are saying about this issue.
00:15:11.460And what we have seen is confirmations from the Holy See.
00:15:14.260In 2010, Pope Benedict XVI hosted a synod on the Middle East, and they confirmed everything that the bishops in the Holy Land were saying.
00:15:24.880They supported the end of the occupation, joining their voices to the United Nations Security Council and the United Nations as a whole, and asking that the Israelis withdraw.
00:15:36.400And I have an essay called, How Do Christians in the Holy Land Understand the Israeli Occupation in Palestine?
00:15:43.580And that's on the homepage of LifeSite News.
00:15:46.000If you go down to Special Reports, you can find it there.
00:15:49.380And all those sources are there, multiple sources for readers to study and access.
00:15:55.640This is super interesting, especially for our readers.
00:15:58.200Like, we've got a lot of feedback saying, Oh my gosh, you guys are being anti-Semitic.
00:16:03.220Don't you understand that the Muslims are the, it's the most evil thing in the world, and they're persecuting everybody, and we've got to support the Jews, and blah, blah, blah.
00:16:11.260And yet, we're relying on the reports of the bishops in the Holy Land, of the testimony from your fellow Catholics, your fellow Christians.
00:16:22.380And yet, because the media control, the censorship is so strong, most of the Catholic, most of the Christians in America, in Europe, believe the opposite of the truth.
00:16:37.180When we got into this issue at LifeSite, one of the things we did was we actually talked to the bishop over there, one of the auxiliary bishops, and he told us exactly this, that the persecution that they are receiving from the IDF, from the Israeli Defense Forces, and he described the brutality.
00:16:55.920Watch, this is a clip from an interview we had with the auxiliary bishop of Jerusalem.
00:19:54.900Tell us about this is a professor at Christendom, which is one of the most faithful Catholic colleges in the United States.
00:20:01.260And he studied this question for a long, long time.
00:20:03.660Why don't we just take a look at that clip of him explaining this?
00:20:07.320You talked about all the bishops of the Middle East, of all the particular churches that exist in that geography.
00:20:14.940And I want to remind people, who knows better, the bishops as the preservers of apostolic tradition who are on site in the Middle East or Americans making commentary from ideologies limited by the press coverage and political affiliations to which they belong.
00:20:37.560Now, who is on the ground with better insight to tell us what is going on and what church teaching is?
00:20:44.400People need to consider that very carefully.
00:20:46.580These are the apostolic successors whose family members are involved in all of this, who know the tradition.
00:20:57.880And so they're from the most ancient churches who have come together to say, do not use just war theory to justify what's going on.
00:21:05.320Anyone who ignores that needs to seriously consider how well they're listening, gathering the facts, taking counsel from wise men, which is what we're supposed to do when it comes to making prudential decisions.
00:21:25.040We're talking a lot about the bishops here, and that's very important.
00:21:30.140But of course, this isn't per se a Christian issue.
00:21:39.780It's about the universal moral law that we can understand by reason alone.
00:21:45.080And therefore, it's binding on all human beings with reason.
00:21:49.140And when we see this level of carnage going on, every person who is honest with themselves, who is not contaminated by ideology, cannot tolerate it.
00:22:02.140And what carnage are you referring to?
00:22:03.700Well, I'm talking about in the Holy Land.
00:22:05.420We have at least 42,000 dead, including 69% women and children.
00:22:16.760The confirmed casualties, injuries are over 100,000.
00:22:21.580The buildings being destroyed, like the entire north, from what I've seen.
00:22:27.100In northern Gaza, it's about 72% of all the buildings are destroyed or damaged.
00:22:32.560In the south, it's about 52% as of late June, as I recall.
00:22:39.360So we see this terrible decimation going on.
00:22:41.940But it's important that we recognize that this isn't a Catholic issue or a Jewish issue, because we have at the vanguard here in the United States, in resistance to this terrible war, this terrible assault upon Gaza and the Palestinian people, we have a lot of Jewish groups.
00:23:02.660We have Jewish groups on the political left, we have Jewish groups on the political right, we have Jewish Voices for Peace, who have been sponsoring enormous rallies in Washington, D.C. and in New York City.
00:23:15.560And we have these more conservative Orthodox Jews who criticize Zionism altogether.
00:23:21.560They say Zionism has absolutely nothing to do with Judaism.
00:23:27.120And that Judaism and Zionism are completely different.
00:23:30.300And this Rabbi Shapiro says that Zionism was created to supplant Judaism.
00:25:01.760I mean, it's almost hard to believe because what we keep seeing from the mainstream media is, you know, all these demonstrations are all crazy people.
00:25:13.120They're like destroying stores and they're beating people up.
00:25:15.780And that's all what these demonstrators are and what they're doing.
00:25:22.800And all of a sudden now we're seeing, like, Jewish people, Jewish groups and rabbis and tons of rabbis all trying to fight this same thing.
00:25:35.400It just shows that the Zionist charge, they always want to say, oh, this is anti-Semitism because it frames it in such a way that people don't want to object to what's happening there in Gaza and in the West Bank as well.
00:25:51.520And right at the forefront, you have these Jewish groups.
00:25:55.760You have great journalists like Max Blumenthal, who's been very forthright.
00:25:59.820You have scholars like Norman Ficklestein, who has been assiduously, you know, paying attention to this issue, writing books, doing interviews.
00:26:12.340And like I said, they're at the vanguard.
00:26:14.220They're right at the front of the opposition to this Zionist attack, which is happening upon Gaza and the West Bank.
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00:26:55.820It's stunning information because it's so completely unknown.
00:27:00.080And I know you've been doing a lot at LifeSite.
00:27:01.740But I also know the reports often I get from people who I know aren't believed.
00:27:07.840So one of the questions, for instance, what would you do if some group came and attacked your people?