The John-Henry Westen Show - Was Freemasonry behind the death of Pope John Paul I？

00:00:00.280 The Vatican has announced the impending canonization of John Paul I, the Pope who reigned only 33 days.

00:00:10.340 And it was very interesting because we had previously on our show, Father Charles Murr, the author of a book called Murder in the 33rd Degree.

00:00:19.900 The murder and the sort of Freemasonic connection to that murder talks about the murder of that same Pope, John Paul I.

00:00:30.000 We're going to get into that on this episode of The John Henry Weston Show.

00:00:33.900 Stay tuned.

00:00:54.600 Father Murr, welcome back to the program.

00:00:56.340 Thank you again for joining us.

00:00:58.340 Thank you for having me.

00:00:59.280 Thank you for having me.

00:01:01.140 Father, if you wouldn't mind, launch us off with our sign of the cross.

00:01:04.520 In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.

00:01:06.740 Amen.

00:01:07.940 Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee.

00:01:10.120 Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.

00:01:14.460 Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.

00:01:20.220 Amen.

00:01:21.320 Seed of wisdom, pray for us.

00:01:24.860 Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

00:01:26.140 Amen.

00:01:26.800 Amen.

00:01:27.120 So, Father, this is sort of providential.

00:01:32.300 Here you have a book out called Murder in the 33rd Degree about the potential murder or evidence for the murder of John Paul I.

00:01:43.700 Now he's announced that he's going to be canonized.

00:01:47.480 Very, very interesting.

00:01:48.500 On our last program, we talked about the evidence for Freemasonry inside the Vatican.

00:01:55.080 Totally fascinating.

00:01:56.540 Many, many people responding.

00:01:58.120 Very interested in it.

00:01:59.400 Hoping to hear more from you.

00:02:00.420 And what a providential thing to have you back on.

00:02:02.800 So, Father, if you can get into that a little bit about John Paul I, who was he, and your book about his being murdered.

00:02:15.400 Yes, I'm trying to figure out the best place to begin.

00:02:21.460 And I guess the best place to begin would be his election as Pope.

00:02:25.260 And as I was telling you before, and I've said in other broadcasts, the conclave after the death of Pope Paul VI, the conclave had three major candidates in it.

00:02:38.040 Actually, yes, three major candidates.

00:02:40.420 One was Cardinal Siri of Genoa.

00:02:46.660 The other one was Cardinal Sebastian Baggio of the Congregation for Bishops, who was accused of being a Freemason and was ousted from his place of office, who was in charge of naming all of the Catholic bishops throughout the world.

00:03:03.300 And the other one, the other was Giovanni Benelli, Cardinal of Florence.

00:03:10.260 And the conclave really came down to those three.

00:03:14.060 Siri held a block of votes, and he was a very popular candidate.

00:03:18.720 Cardinal Siri was a brilliant man.

00:03:21.380 A statesman also, just a very well-read and a good theologian.

00:03:27.380 And he was the conservative favorite.

00:03:30.820 He was also the favorite of Pius XII, Pope Pius XII.

00:03:37.180 He was, I think, he was the youngest Cardinal that Pius XII had created, I believe.

00:03:42.040 And Pius XII would have loved to have seen him become Pope, although he didn't do anything to make that happen other than making him a Cardinal.

00:03:50.360 Anyway, it was between these three men.

00:03:52.040 So you've got the conservative, Siri, you've got the Freemason, Baggio, and you have Benelli, who I would certainly call a conservative, quiet, a quiet one.

00:04:10.480 Sort of a bull.

00:04:12.160 He made things happen, but he did so quietly, but very determined.

00:04:16.000 Anyway, as the election proceeded, and Cardinal Baggio was picking up votes, and Siri did not budge,

00:04:28.360 Benelli realized that rather than risking anything, he saw that he wasn't going to win.

00:04:35.860 He himself came very close to it, just a few votes away from it.

00:04:39.520 He, as I say, pulled a rabbit out of his hat and presented, for all the Cardinal's consideration, Cardinal Luciani, Cardinal Luciani of Venice, the Patriarch of Venice.

00:04:55.220 And Luciani won. 0.99

00:04:57.080 He was a fantastic candidate, accepted by everybody.

00:05:01.060 Everyone loved him, and they really loved him.

00:05:03.800 He was an appreciated man.

00:05:05.260 He was head of the Italian Episcopal Conference, I think, two years.

00:05:11.920 A sharp man, very pious, very holy, beautiful smile because he was a beautiful and happy person.

00:05:20.100 He just was, and he eluded that.

00:05:22.760 Anyway, he became Pope, took the name John Paul in Thanksgiving to Pope John XXIII and Paul VI, obviously.

00:05:31.980 And he did something else, and this is leading up to, this actually does make sense, and we're going in the right direction, right?

00:05:43.180 He asked, after he became Pope, he was elected, he asked Cardinal Benelli of Florence to be his Secretary of State.

00:05:52.460 A wise move, a very wise move, and a move that almost every Pope throughout history has done.

00:06:03.160 When you become Pope, just like when you become president, when you become president or king, what have you, in anything of government,

00:06:11.700 you get the people that you've learned to trust in your lifetime, and you keep them close, and you listen to them, and they become your advisors,

00:06:21.300 and you're really taking into consideration their opinions.

00:06:24.460 Their opinions count.

00:06:27.520 Papa Luciani, John Paul I, respected Benelli, and he knew that he needed a man like Benelli.

00:06:35.940 I think the last time we talked, I mentioned, I mentioned Pope Pius X and his relationship to Cardinal Ralph Meri del Val.

00:06:45.500 He asked Ralph Meri del Val, who was an incredibly sophisticated and well-educated man, brilliant,

00:06:51.520 and a brilliant statesman and diplomat, to become his Secretary of State.

00:06:56.120 And Pius X was a magnificent man, but he never stopped being a farmer.

00:07:05.500 Not that there's anything wrong with that, but he himself said, I said this the last time,

00:07:10.980 where that he still had dirt under his fingernails when he was elected Pope.

00:07:15.440 That's the kind of man.

00:07:16.800 So he realized that he didn't have what it took to run the Roman Curia and to run the Church Universal.

00:07:25.720 He needed someone.

00:07:27.140 Well, with Ralph Meri del Val, they made a fantastic pair.

00:07:30.300 They made a fantastic pair.

00:07:31.640 And the pontificate was brilliant.

00:07:33.420 And it was the war against modernism that we know where we're at today and how needed that was, and still is, by the way.

00:07:43.180 Anyway, John Paul I realized, just like Pius X, that he needed a strong man.

00:07:50.420 And Benelli was asked to be his Secretary of State, and Benelli accepted, under one condition.

00:07:59.920 And that condition was that John Paul I, in one of his first major moves as Pope, replace, get rid of,

00:08:12.340 the Prefect for the Congregation of Bishops, Cardinal Sebastian Baggio.

00:08:21.300 From what I heard, and I heard it from very good sources, the Pope, who was rather shy, John Paul I, asked Benelli to do that.

00:08:32.260 He said, when you're Secretary of State, could you take care of that?

00:08:35.840 That's what you should do.

00:08:37.740 And Benelli absolutely refused.

00:08:39.760 He said, no, that's up to you.

00:08:43.040 You have to do that.

00:08:44.320 You have to do that as Pope.

00:08:45.820 You have to do that.

00:08:46.760 Because that's going to set, it's going to set a spirit.

00:08:51.520 It's going to set a weight of governing.

00:08:54.680 And people will understand who you are and what direction you're going in.

00:08:57.980 Well, very nervously, Pope John Paul I summoned Cardinal Baggio.

00:09:10.120 Before he did that, Cardinal Benelli, you would wonder, let me just back up a little bit.

00:09:16.000 You would wonder why, if Pope John Paul I asked Benelli to be his Secretary of State,

00:09:23.300 why Benelli was not his Secretary of State right away.

00:09:26.480 And that's a very, here's the answer to that.

00:09:32.220 Cardinal Villot, of unpleasant memory, pardon me, but I thought he was an unpleasant person.

00:09:41.420 And that's putting it lightly.

00:09:43.520 But Cardinal Villot was dying of cancer.

00:09:48.920 He had lung cancer.

00:09:50.920 He smoked Galois cigarettes.

00:09:53.220 When you would go near his office, before you, within 50 feet, you knew where you were.

00:09:59.480 You knew where he was any time.

00:10:00.820 They were horrible.

00:10:02.700 Anyway, he had lung cancer.

00:10:06.120 And rather than, as an act of charity, as an act of charity, rather than dismiss him and say,

00:10:13.720 thank you very much, now go die, John Paul I decided not to do that.

00:10:20.340 He would let him function as Secretary of State as long as he could hold on to that position. 0.72

00:10:30.140 The long and the short of it is he died, I think, three months later.

00:10:35.080 So, it was an act of charity to keep him.

00:10:39.260 It was not one of the smartest moves.

00:10:42.000 It was not one of the smartest acts of charity.

00:10:44.880 Let me put it that way.

00:10:47.200 Because it would have been good to have Benelli there.

00:10:49.920 But anyway, John Paul I talked to Benelli.

00:10:55.120 Benelli told John Paul I to get in contact, to call in immediately, Gagnon, Archbishop Gagnon.

00:11:03.180 So, why?

00:11:05.220 He said, Holy Father, Archbishop Gagnon, it was Archbishop at that time,

00:11:10.780 just completed a three-year study on the Roman Curia.

00:11:15.580 He tried to give the results to Pope Paul VI, who pushed them back in his direction,

00:11:22.520 and said he was unable, because of age and weakness, to deal with the problems of the Roman Curia.

00:11:28.540 He said, leave that for my successor.

00:11:30.900 He said, Holy Father, you are the successor.

00:11:35.040 He said, and I would very highly recommend that you speak to Gagnon immediately.

00:11:41.640 Well, he did.

00:11:43.560 I drove Gagnon to that audience.

00:11:46.960 We went through.

00:11:48.080 Gagnon took the study, his three-year study, and saw John Paul I, gave him a copy of that.

00:11:54.960 How do I know that?

00:11:55.720 Because when he came back, I took his book bag, and it was much lighter than when he went in.

00:12:01.640 And Gagnon was elated.

00:12:04.320 He was very, very happy, very pleased at the audience.

00:12:08.140 Very pleased because he knew that this was a good man as Pope.

00:12:11.140 It was his first, I think it was his first audience with him as Pope.

00:12:14.500 And he told him what was wrong with the Roman Curia.

00:12:18.480 He told him a few basic things that I know for sure, because I know them from Gagnon.

00:12:25.300 He told him, first of all, of Cardinal Bajo.

00:12:29.380 And I've told this, I told this to you before, and we had a Freemason naming our bishops for 12 years throughout the Catholic world at a time when all the bishops in the world who were already established had to retire at 65.

00:12:46.300 So a whole brand new crew was made by Bajo.

00:12:51.400 In other words, you have, liberal isn't the word, Freemason, deciding who the bishops were in the world.

00:13:00.500 Am I saying that all of the bishops were Freemasons?

00:13:02.580 No, I'm not.

00:13:03.260 I'm not saying that.

00:13:04.280 But most of them were very liberal.

00:13:07.060 And you said they were retiring at 65?

00:13:10.780 I'm sorry, 75.

00:13:12.480 Did I say 65?

00:13:13.800 I'm sorry.

00:13:14.460 Yeah, that's fine.

00:13:16.000 75.

00:13:16.520 A proclamation came out from Paul VI.

00:13:21.860 He decided that every bishop should retire at 75.

00:13:26.660 A lot of your viewers are young people.

00:13:30.820 They're certainly younger than I am, right?

00:13:33.520 You're a boy.

00:13:34.800 So that's how old I am.

00:13:36.480 You're a boy.

00:13:37.460 But here's the thing.

00:13:40.140 In the olden days, bishops didn't retire.

00:13:44.400 Popes didn't retire.

00:13:45.520 We had bishops in dioceses who were in their 80s and who were in their 90s.

00:13:52.060 They didn't retire.

00:13:53.480 Even if they became feeble and feeble-minded, even in that case, they remained. 1.00

00:13:58.300 They had people.

00:13:59.500 They had secretaries, Monsignore, et cetera, who helped run the diocese.

00:14:03.640 The bishop didn't resign.

00:14:05.540 He was a Christ figure.

00:14:07.820 Christ didn't resign.

00:14:09.040 Well, anyway, with the resignation of all of the bishops at age 75, we had a whole new crew of bishops to be done.

00:14:16.500 And we have a Freemason naming all of the bishops, right? 0.64

00:14:20.620 You can imagine.

00:14:21.300 Well, you don't have to imagine.

00:14:22.900 I invite most of your listeners know this anyway.

00:14:25.680 Just to take a look back, just to take a look back, and you'll understand how to a great degree we are and got where we are today, right?

00:14:37.100 Anyway, getting back to the story.

00:14:40.380 Gagnon went to go see John Paul I, gave him a copy of his study.

00:14:43.940 And with that, he told him there were three major problems.

00:14:50.120 One of them was Cardinal Baggio.

00:14:52.800 The other one was the Vatican Bank, the Instituto per le Affari religiosi, right?

00:15:02.700 There was a scandal brewing.

00:15:05.240 And this is, you know, for people who think that the Freemasonry ideal or idea is a fantasy, is a conspiracy, that we should all be wearing tinfoiled hats and pyramids or something because we think this way, I invite those people to simply look back and to see what happened at the Vatican Bank.

00:15:27.300 The Freemasons, P2, Freemason Lodge, Freemasonry Lodge, the Grand Lodge, decided to wage war on the Vatican and collapse its finances.

00:15:40.320 And it did.

00:15:41.940 It did.

00:15:43.320 It's incredible.

00:15:44.360 It did.

00:15:45.740 The people who were convicted by international court of these crimes, the ones who didn't commit suicide, who didn't kill or be killed, it was a horrible scandal, slew of murders.

00:15:56.060 Those who survived were put in prison for the crime of a Freemason plot to topple the Vatican.

00:16:06.800 That was the crime.

00:16:08.220 Freemasonry was named in the crime.

00:16:09.880 All right.

00:16:10.040 So I'm not making this up or you're not making it up and we're saying, no, no, no, it's black and white.

00:16:17.660 It's there.

00:16:18.000 It's a conviction.

00:16:18.520 Anyway, Gagnon told him that and Gagnon also told him a few other things of things that had to be changed.

00:16:27.340 People who were, who should not be there.

00:16:31.520 The Pope listened.

00:16:33.800 Again, conferred with Benelli.

00:16:36.240 Benelli said, call in Bajo and get rid of Bajo. 0.99

00:16:39.480 How, how, you've got this poor timid man.

00:16:46.720 If you've ever listened to him, I was at a few of his audiences.

00:16:50.680 He was just a beautiful, a beautiful man who I really think that he would have been, he would have been much happier not, not accepting the position of Pope.

00:16:58.880 Really would have, really would have.

00:17:01.080 He would, he was a pastor.

00:17:02.600 He was just a pastor and he would have been fine in a country church.

00:17:05.680 I'm serious.

00:17:06.440 Anyway, there he is, Pope.

00:17:09.360 And between Benelli's suggestions and his own intuition, Benelli said, well, get him out, kick him out.

00:17:21.440 You have to kick these people up.

00:17:22.960 A lot of people don't understand that.

00:17:24.700 You don't just get them out, like with, with Bunini.

00:17:28.580 You don't just expel them.

00:17:30.840 They hold a lot of key information and they hold a lot of potential of blackmailing.

00:17:36.440 Cardinal Baggio, for example, in Congregation of Bishops, knew every bishop's foibles, every one of them.

00:17:47.660 He, he also, you've got something else to remember.

00:17:50.980 He created, he created, he, he made, uh, uh, John Paul, the first Archbishop of Venice.

00:18:00.140 So he felt entitled and owed.

00:18:02.200 Anyway, the long and the shorter it was, he called in, he called Baggio.

00:18:08.280 Personally, on the phone.

00:18:10.060 So, what day did he die?

00:18:14.180 I believe it was, I've got it written down, the 28th of September, he died.

00:18:19.280 So on the 28th of September,

00:18:21.280 he phoned Baggio and asked him to come to, to the Apostolic Palace, to his office, for a meeting.

00:18:32.320 Baggio told the Holy Father that he was busy.

00:18:34.240 Now, I don't know about you.

00:18:39.700 I do know about you.

00:18:42.080 If the Pope would pick up the phone and say,

00:18:45.640 John Henry, I want to see you in my office right away.

00:18:49.140 You would drop anything you had going and you would be there.

00:18:54.080 Baggio was busy.

00:18:56.420 He said, well, this afternoon, he said, Holy Father, I'm busy this afternoon.

00:19:00.240 He said, this evening, he wouldn't, he wouldn't let up.

00:19:04.820 He said, this evening.

00:19:05.800 Well, they finally agreed on this evening.

00:19:08.360 The Pope never receives people in the evening.

00:19:12.280 It's during business office hours during a business day.

00:19:16.480 He received him at approximately eight o'clock at night in the Apostolic, in the Apostolic Palace.

00:19:23.740 And let me just say this, if I can make a parenthesis.

00:19:30.000 From what I can find out about the process of the canonization or beatification of John Paul I, which is coming up in September,

00:19:40.320 there's no mention of this meeting.

00:19:45.480 This is the last, this is the Pope's last day on earth.

00:19:48.500 As a matter of fact, these are the Holy Father's last hours on earth.

00:19:52.500 There's no mention of Baggio meeting with him, right?

00:19:59.120 At eight o'clock, Baggio went up to the, to the, to the Holy Father's residence in the Apostolic Palace and was with him for approximately an hour.

00:20:10.880 And they were shouting, not the Pope.

00:20:14.700 The Pope was not shouting.

00:20:16.180 Baggio was shouting at the Pope.

00:20:18.000 How do we know that?

00:20:19.120 I, I happen to know it, I happen to know it by a, through a Swiss guard who was at the outside of the door.

00:20:26.800 There were two Swiss guards there.

00:20:28.360 They reported this, right?

00:20:31.180 Shouting.

00:20:35.280 Baggio left furious.

00:20:37.960 After an hour.

00:20:44.520 The Pope who had a, a bad heart, he's taking blood pressure medicine.

00:20:52.480 I believe because of that encounter, suffered a heart attack two or three hours later and died.

00:21:01.440 Now you say, well, that's not really a murder.

00:21:04.900 I asked Cardinal Gagnon.

00:21:07.540 I asked Cardinal Gagnon.

00:21:10.760 Did I, did he think that the Pope was murdered?

00:21:13.300 And he said, you know, if you remember, you remember Gagnon, you do you remember?

00:21:18.780 Did you meet him?

00:21:19.820 I want to say, I love this man.

00:21:21.640 He said, you know, Charles.

00:21:23.100 There are many ways of killing a man.

00:21:30.280 I believe that's what happened.

00:21:32.100 I believe he, that's, that's the murder.

00:21:34.920 That's the murder that I'm talking about.

00:21:36.900 But it certainly was, it happened.

00:21:39.320 The shouting was real.

00:21:41.220 The Pope was very agitated and died of a heart attack that night.

00:21:44.900 I don't believe he was poisoned.

00:21:47.040 That's nonsense.

00:21:48.140 But I'm going to tell you something else I don't believe.

00:21:50.820 And I didn't believe it right from the beginning.

00:21:52.440 And neither did Gagnon.

00:21:53.720 I was with Gagnon the morning that the Pope, that was, we found out about his death at about

00:21:58.600 7.30 in the morning on Vatican Radio.

00:22:02.940 And, and Marini, the three of us were sitting, we're still in pajamas.

00:22:06.980 We were, we heard the news on Vatican Radio.

00:22:09.480 I went to the, to their rooms and knocked on their doors because we couldn't believe it.

00:22:14.360 Just couldn't believe it.

00:22:15.500 We had just gone through the election.

00:22:18.140 And I don't know where the report came that the, that the Holy Father had died.

00:22:25.560 You've got to listen to this.

00:22:27.420 Who could, who could make this up?

00:22:29.220 I mean, you couldn't make it up.

00:22:30.080 He died in his bed with his glasses on, with the most serene, lovely smile, reading the

00:22:40.480 imitation of Christ.

00:22:41.660 Gagnon said, if you want to believe that you go right ahead, you go right ahead.

00:22:52.220 And Marini said, the Marini said the Italian equivalent to poppycock nonsense.

00:22:58.360 And they were right, because within days, Cardinal Villot, Secretary of State, and the Vatican,

00:23:07.920 the people who were running the show, changed the story a few times.

00:23:13.080 And it turned out, and it turned out, he was not reading the, the imitation of Christ.

00:23:19.060 The Pope was a very pious man.

00:23:21.020 Don't, don't get me wrong.

00:23:21.900 And he wasn't, he wasn't, he wasn't reading, he wasn't reading Time Magazine either.

00:23:27.540 He died with a list, he died with a list that I believe, can't prove this, okay, but I believe

00:23:34.640 the, the very list that Gagnon gave him of changes necessary in the Curia.

00:23:39.660 He died with, with two or three sheets of paper in his hands of changes in the Roman Curia.

00:23:46.380 That's how, that's how they, right?

00:23:48.140 They, they kept changing the story, changing the story.

00:23:51.800 Well, there's also, the next day after his death, let me just ask you, John Henry, here

00:24:00.620 you are, you had an audience last night with the Pope.

00:24:06.900 This morning, he's dead, John Henry, right?

00:24:11.460 I come and approach you from Vatican Radio, and I have a microphone, and I say to you, John

00:24:16.000 Henry West, can you please tell us your opinion of this, your, your reaction to the death of

00:24:23.120 the Holy Father?

00:24:26.240 They asked that to Baggio.

00:24:28.880 Now, Baggio, rather than saying, oh, good Lord, I was just with him last night, he looked

00:24:34.320 fine, Baggio said two words in Italian, three words.

00:24:42.860 The Italians, the Italians are fond of putting in a ma, ma che corpo, what a blow, what a blow. 1.00

00:24:53.580 That's all, that was the end of the interview.

00:24:55.980 They interviewed other people, other, other cardinals who said, well, I was with him last

00:25:00.400 week, and he looked fine, and this, and the other, Baggio had nothing more to say, what

00:25:04.400 a blow.

00:25:06.100 Che corpo, ma che corpo.

00:25:07.280 It was, it was, it was a tragedy, it was a tragedy, but it gave Baggio another opportunity

00:25:16.980 to have another conclave.

00:25:20.640 And now they knew what they were up against.

00:25:23.440 They knew very well what Benelli would, they thought they did anyway, what Benelli would

00:25:28.600 do.

00:25:28.820 And in the next conclave, Benelli didn't waste any time.

00:25:35.540 He immediately pulled out of his head another white rabbit, Carl Wojtywa.

00:25:41.940 That was Benelli.

00:25:44.960 For your, your viewers' information, let me, let me just say this because I'll forget.

00:25:49.120 But the only place that I saw a report of the meeting between the Holy Father, John Paul

00:25:59.360 I, and Cardinal Baggio, Sebastian Baggio, was in Time Magazine.

00:26:04.380 But it's, it's remarkable.

00:26:05.660 Only Time Magazine.

00:26:07.080 And I had the chance through, through Father John Navone, who was a great friend of mine

00:26:11.060 and a professor at the Gregorian University.

00:26:13.180 We became great friends in life.

00:26:14.740 Navone knew everybody, Felici, Federici, Federici, Fellini, this one, that one, he was in with

00:26:24.540 everything.

00:26:25.460 He knew very well the, the, the Time Correspondent in Rome.

00:26:32.140 They were, they were, as a matter of fact, the Time Correspondent in Rome got a lot of his

00:26:36.280 information from John Navone, the Jesuit from the Gregorian University, right?

00:26:40.100 He was there for 45 years teaching.

00:26:42.420 So he was a, he was a good source.

00:26:44.740 Uh, John Navone, uh, knew from him that it had already been reported about this meeting.

00:26:53.060 And he also knew that it was never to be mentioned again.

00:26:56.600 And it was never mentioned in any other articles in Time or Newsweek, right?

00:27:00.620 And those, for your, for your viewers, again, the ones who are younger, Time and Newsweek

00:27:04.640 used to be the secular Bible for, for, for many of us.

00:27:08.460 We wanted to find out what was happening in the world.

00:27:10.260 Unfortunately, many of us took our religious opinions all from Time and Newsweek.

00:27:16.020 And, uh, that didn't, uh, that wasn't a big help to us, but unfortunately, but anyway, the,

00:27:22.080 uh, it was never again reported only that one time that that's how he died.

00:27:27.500 That's how he died.

00:27:28.640 But, uh, and let me, let me just finish that story about Benelli.

00:27:36.500 John Paul II is now elected.

00:27:40.180 Wojtyla is elected.

00:27:44.460 Wojtyla took the second in command for his Secretary of State, uh, Agustino Casaroli,

00:27:52.680 which was kind of surprising because people thought it was going to be Benelli.

00:27:58.600 Well, he, he, he, he stayed with, with, uh, Casaroli for a couple of years.

00:28:03.600 He owed Casaroli, okay.

00:28:05.300 Casaroli helped with an awful lot of money for Poland.

00:28:08.500 Good.

00:28:09.040 This, I mean, this is a good thing.

00:28:10.560 This isn't scandalous.

00:28:11.760 They're talking about building churches, schools, convents, that kind of money for, for

00:28:15.700 real, real issues.

00:28:16.820 Uh, so, and Casaroli was, was, uh, very important in that.

00:28:20.720 And he was sort of second in, in, in line and everything else.

00:28:23.380 But there came a point about two years into his pontificate where John Paul II realized

00:28:29.340 that Casaroli would be, would be, he would, that he, John Paul II would be better served

00:28:35.200 by a different man.

00:28:36.320 And he asked Benelli of Florence to leave Florence and come to be his Secretary of State.

00:28:44.900 Benelli agreed.

00:28:46.820 I know this from Cardinal Gagnon and from Marini, who were great friends of Benelli.

00:28:54.460 And I believe 10 days later was dead.

00:28:57.840 At age 62, at age 62, he had a, he had a massive heart attack.

00:29:01.720 A man didn't have a heart problem.

00:29:03.380 He had a heart attack and died.

00:29:05.660 So that, that, that took care of that.

00:29:08.440 Uh, finally, finally, John Paul II called Gagnon for the same request.

00:29:16.820 He wanted the report of the Roman Curia and John Paul II decided he wasn't going to do

00:29:23.040 anything.

00:29:25.000 He was going, everything was just fine.

00:29:27.100 I told you this before.

00:29:28.580 He left this, the status quo was just fine because he had a different vision.

00:29:33.220 And if I sound critical, maybe it's because I am.

00:29:37.480 But anyway, he had a different vision of, of, of, of the, of his pontificate of the papacy.

00:29:44.180 He, he wanted to do it differently.

00:29:45.980 And he did.

00:29:46.920 He traveled the world.

00:29:48.500 He traveled the world.

00:29:49.460 And, uh, I believe he touched an awful lot of, a lot of lives that would not have been

00:29:55.800 touched.

00:29:56.880 Uh, as one Austrian friend of mine said to me once, he said, he got everyone into St.

00:30:04.600 Peter's square.

00:30:05.580 But never really managed to get them inside the Basilica.

00:30:14.920 Anyway, I thought that was a good, good analogy.

00:30:17.720 But anyway, we've got, we've got, this is the situation we're at.

00:30:21.320 When, when Cardinal Gagnon went and I drove him again to his audience with John Paul II

00:30:26.120 to give this report, he said, no, no, everything is fine.

00:30:32.000 Everything is fine.

00:30:32.920 He didn't believe a lot of things, John Paul II.

00:30:35.660 And I'll tell you why.

00:30:37.300 And Cardinal Gagnon was, was also later on a defender of his.

00:30:42.560 And John Paul II grew up in communist Poland.

00:30:47.340 He lived through the Nazis and then he lived through, through the communists. 0.64

00:30:51.720 God help him.

00:30:52.320 I mean, incredible.

00:30:56.120 And disinformation was the word of, of, of the Marxists.

00:31:02.840 It still is.

00:31:03.960 It still is.

00:31:04.640 I don't know if you've noticed.

00:31:06.100 I don't know if you've noticed, but dis, disinformation is really, this is their modus

00:31:10.940 operandi.

00:31:11.700 This is it.

00:31:12.800 Just keep saying this, keep saying that the narrative has to, if the narrative has to

00:31:17.180 change, we control the narrative.

00:31:18.520 Well, they did this terribly in Poland to any number of priests and bishops, uh, nuns and

00:31:25.580 anybody who got in their way, there was a disinformation campaign against them.

00:31:29.980 And all the clergy knew that these things were not true.

00:31:32.820 They knew that they knew that father so-and-so and bishop so-and-so didn't, didn't murder

00:31:38.520 somebody, didn't steal all of the money and run away, all of these things that they created.

00:31:43.140 So he had a hard time, John Paul II, really believing that there were people as corrupt as

00:31:51.660 evidently there were.

00:31:54.960 So I don't hold that against, I don't hold that against them at all.

00:31:58.100 That's been heard frequently that a lot of the allegations of sexual abuse and things

00:32:04.020 like that, John Paul II just, just couldn't believe because of that background under both

00:32:09.520 the Nazis and the communists, uh, maligning priests falsely.

00:32:13.260 Well, Cardinal, Cardinal Gagnon believed that.

00:32:16.380 He believed that of him.

00:32:18.180 He, he, he really did.

00:32:19.760 Because he said he was very sincere when I was telling him these things.

00:32:22.840 Well, no, no, no, he didn't buy it.

00:32:26.020 And in that audience, and I'm waiting in, in the Cortile San Damaso, in, in Gagnon's car,

00:32:31.600 waiting for him to finish his audience with the Pope to take him back home.

00:32:34.260 In that audience, Cardinal Gagnon said, not only do you have a Freemason running the

00:32:42.980 Congregation for Bishops, and I have the documentation, Holy Father, this isn't my opinion.

00:32:50.400 It's well-documented.

00:32:51.360 I'm not coming here with hearsay.

00:32:55.080 Not only is the Vatican Bank ready to explode in a major scandal organized by Freemasons, 1.00

00:33:02.900 I said, I also have the documentation for that.

00:33:09.140 Your life, Holy Father, is in jeopardy.

00:33:14.920 And the, Gagnon told me this himself.

00:33:16.800 He said, the Pope said, my life.

00:33:18.740 He said, he said, Archbishop Gagnon, Excellency, who would want to kill the Pope?

00:33:26.340 Truly, and Gagnon said, I just looked at him, I said, wow, what do you say, how do you answer

00:33:36.580 that?

00:33:37.720 But that's the way he was, God bless him.

00:33:40.260 And I'll tell you something, I'm not crazy about all of these canonizations that Papa

00:33:45.040 Bergoglio is doing, because I know why he's doing them.

00:33:48.300 I know what's behind it, to push Vatican II.

00:33:53.160 I understand that.

00:33:54.640 But I believe that all of the people that he's canonized are going to, are in heaven.

00:33:59.580 I'm not, I'm not, I don't disagree with that one.

00:34:02.340 I believe they're in heaven.

00:34:03.520 I really do believe that.

00:34:05.340 I don't like the reason they're being canonized.

00:34:07.820 I don't like the politics behind it.

00:34:09.520 However, when John Paul II, when John Paul II, the assassination attempt to take his life

00:34:19.440 came, it was from where Gagnon told him it would be.

00:34:24.180 He said, it's from behind, it'll be behind the Iron Curtain, from somebody who has nothing 0.89

00:34:30.880 to do with you at all.

00:34:32.760 Nothing to do with you at all.

00:34:35.960 Zero.

00:34:36.520 And it was, it was a Bulgarian, a Bulgarian plot by, by Moscow, by, by, by, by the communists 0.50

00:34:46.320 to end his life.

00:34:50.020 Can I tell you this?

00:34:51.020 Do I have enough time to tell you another story?

00:34:53.020 By all means.

00:34:53.700 I wanted to just stress how important that is, because it, it pertains to today that this

00:35:00.940 piece of the puzzle, the last official meeting that Pope John Paul I has, the day of his

00:35:09.480 death, is covered up right from the beginning.

00:35:14.080 There's this evidence that we already showed you in the Time article, but that's it.

00:35:18.860 Then it's scrubbed.

00:35:20.440 And so it's incredible that even back then, when it wasn't so much noticed, you had kind

00:35:26.240 of a control of the media and it maintains to this day, and I don't think for the powers

00:35:33.260 that be in the Vatican, this is, you know, unknown, well, perhaps for some of them it

00:35:38.700 is, but they are maintaining, in continuing to conceal that meeting, they're maintaining

00:35:45.380 that secrecy for whatever reason.

00:35:47.700 This is more evidence of not only Freemasonry in the Vatican, but of the continuing influence

00:35:54.420 of Freemasonry in the Vatican as well.

00:35:56.280 Please go ahead, Father.

00:35:57.300 You're absolutely right.

00:35:58.280 And from just a cursory investigation that I've done of the canonization or the beatification

00:36:04.640 process of John Paul I, again, no doubt the man is in heaven.

00:36:11.820 Okay, that's not the point.

00:36:15.240 There's no mention of his last hours.

00:36:19.480 And Cardinal Sebastian Baggio was a major part of his last hours.

00:36:25.500 Not there.

00:36:26.940 I'm saying, well, who's doing the investigation?

00:36:30.560 Who did this investigation?

00:36:32.080 Why isn't that a...

00:36:33.220 My goodness.

00:36:35.420 If I just had a meeting with you and died a few hours later, my relatives would want to

00:36:40.940 talk to you.

00:36:41.480 Geez, what did he have to say?

00:36:42.880 Was he happy?

00:36:44.220 Did he say anything about me?

00:36:45.920 Something, not mentioned, not mentioned.

00:36:50.780 When John Paul II, I've told this story, and I knew it from Gagnon himself.

00:36:56.340 I know it from Gagnon, and I know it from Marini, and they knew it from all sorts of different

00:37:02.400 sources.

00:37:03.440 But after that meeting that Gagnon had with John Paul II, where John Paul II said, no,

00:37:10.220 everything remains the same, it's okay.

00:37:14.380 You know, it's okay.

00:37:15.860 But including Baggio.

00:37:18.120 Yes.

00:37:19.380 Yes.

00:37:19.920 Everything is okay.

00:37:23.500 He just didn't buy it.

00:37:27.300 Gagnon picked up his suitcase or satchel.

00:37:30.720 I'm not in his suitcase.

00:37:31.500 It's, it's, it's, uh, his satchel took his things, went back down to Portillo San D'Amazo.

00:37:40.340 I was waiting at his car, and I could see when he got off the elevator, I could see this

00:37:47.880 did not go well, did not go well.

00:37:51.460 I got in the car, and he didn't say anything.

00:37:53.600 And I knew it didn't go well.

00:37:58.340 I don't remember, to tell you the truth, and I'm trying, I was, I was trying to remember

00:38:02.800 this, and I'm trying to remember as well as I possibly can, because whether you believe

00:38:06.940 it or not, or whether anybody believes it or not, I wanted to write this book, because

00:38:11.560 I want this out.

00:38:13.940 I want this, I want this stated.

00:38:17.360 Because we have a pontificate right now talking about transparency, transparency, transparency.

00:38:21.880 We want to be, we want to be right up front with all the folks, really.

00:38:27.720 Release the Gagnon report.

00:38:31.960 Holy Father, release the Gagnon report.

00:38:35.160 You have it.

00:38:36.160 It's in the Vatican archives.

00:38:37.560 You have it.

00:38:38.420 Release it.

00:38:41.240 Yeah, they have a lot of different reports now.

00:38:45.040 You know, the report of the three cardinals that was asked for by Pope Benedict.

00:38:49.540 It was delivered, handed on, as we know, to Pope Francis, also not revealed.

00:38:57.520 And for most of our fans at LifeSite, the explanation of the third secret of Fatima, not

00:39:04.000 the vision, the vision we all got, but the explanation also is still being held.

00:39:08.960 So there's lots of non-transparency in the midst of all this talk about transparency.

00:39:14.640 Well, anyway, let me just say this.

00:39:18.000 As Richard Nixon used to say, let me say this about that.

00:39:20.720 I drove Gagnon home, back to our home.

00:39:28.680 After a few minutes, he spoke, but he was furious, beet red, angry.

00:39:33.240 And he said, what are you doing tomorrow?

00:39:39.080 I said, excellency, whatever you want.

00:39:42.560 I'm writing a thesis at the Gregorian University.

00:39:45.220 I did have a life, right?

00:39:46.680 But I said, whatever you want me to do.

00:39:49.600 I love this man.

00:39:50.920 I'm telling you, he was just a saint, a practical saint.

00:39:57.180 Like, somewhere between a God, somewhere between a father and a grandfather.

00:40:05.220 He just, and he knew what he was talking about.

00:40:09.060 And he was serious.

00:40:10.360 He said, I want you to take me to the airport.

00:40:13.980 I said, to the airport?

00:40:15.220 You're going on a trip?

00:40:16.240 He said, I'm leaving Rome.

00:40:19.900 I said, you're leaving Rome, what, for vacation?

00:40:23.160 Were you going?

00:40:23.760 No, I'm leaving Rome.

00:40:25.240 I'm resigning.

00:40:26.000 I can't deal with this anymore.

00:40:28.300 It's enough.

00:40:30.440 Now, for a man like this, he was Gibraltar, believe me.

00:40:35.180 I keep telling people, even his physique, there wasn't an ounce of fat on the man.

00:40:41.260 It was muscle.

00:40:42.740 And he was strong.

00:40:44.320 And he had a handshake, like a grip.

00:40:47.940 He said, I can't deal with this.

00:40:50.300 I can't deal with this.

00:40:51.380 I can't watch it.

00:40:53.300 I can't watch it unravel and happen.

00:40:56.000 I know what's going to happen.

00:40:57.100 I can't see it.

00:41:00.300 I'm trying to talk him out of resigning.

00:41:02.940 Who am I?

00:41:03.680 I'm ordained a priest, like, six months.

00:41:05.920 And I'm telling him, you know, why don't you think this over?

00:41:08.820 Anyway, the next day, the next day, we got in the car.

00:41:16.620 And he was, I use this often.

00:41:19.040 Remember going my way, the movie?

00:41:22.680 I don't.

00:41:23.500 You don't?

00:41:24.120 You don't.

00:41:25.480 Please don't tell me you haven't seen it.

00:41:28.040 Don't tell me you haven't seen it.

00:41:29.840 Oh, my gosh.

00:41:31.980 John Henry.

00:41:33.600 All right.

00:41:34.380 All right.

00:41:34.680 Next, before the next time we speak, between now and the next time we speak, you have to see it going my way.

00:41:40.140 Bing Crosby.

00:41:40.820 Okay.

00:41:41.300 Come on.

00:41:41.980 And Barry Fitzgerald.

00:41:44.000 Barry Fitzgerald.

00:41:45.380 Anyway.

00:41:45.640 At the last scene, Bing Crosby, I'm going to ruin this for you, all right?

00:41:51.120 Bing Crosby walks away.

00:41:53.840 His mission is done.

00:41:55.420 He walks away, and he's got one suitcase, an old black suitcase, and that's it.

00:42:02.380 He walks into the, you know, it sort of was at midnight that he left or something in the night, but it's like into the sunset kind of thing.

00:42:09.880 And that was the end of the movie.

00:42:10.720 Gagnon packed up all of his possessions in one suitcase.

00:42:17.680 That was it.

00:42:19.460 And he had some books that he asked me to mail.

00:42:24.380 I could mail him into the, but that was it.

00:42:27.320 And he went, he was going home.

00:42:30.080 He wanted to go to, he wanted to go back to Colombia.

00:42:32.020 He loved Colombia.

00:42:33.000 He loved the missions.

00:42:33.820 And he loved going into jungles and into small rural areas to preach about the sacred heart of Jesus.

00:42:44.340 Can you imagine?

00:42:45.800 This, I mean, this is, this is a priest.

00:42:48.720 This is a man, this is a man in love with his vocation. 0.99

00:42:52.060 And he has to deal with all this garbage. 0.97

00:42:54.560 For three years, he saw, believe me, he saw the worst, the worst you can see. 0.97

00:43:01.100 And then to present it to the present body, who decides, I'm not going to deal with that.

00:43:08.440 Anyway, he wanted to go back to Colombia and that's it.

00:43:11.300 So we get into the car the next day, got a ticket, got his ticket.

00:43:15.920 And I didn't really believe he was serious.

00:43:18.720 And he was serious.

00:43:20.100 We entered the car and he said, before you take me to Leonardo, Leonardo da Vinci airport,

00:43:24.820 for the flight, he said, we have time.

00:43:26.720 He said, I want you to pass by the Vatican again to the secretary of state.

00:43:31.560 I said, sure.

00:43:32.640 He said, I have a, I have a letter for, for, uh, I have a letter for Cardinal Villot of my resignation.

00:43:41.700 He said, I think I owe him that.

00:43:44.680 I said, fine.

00:43:45.480 We drove again into, into the Vatican around St. Peter's Basilica and into Cortile San D'Amazon.

00:43:50.300 And as soon as I parked the car in the Cortile, he handed me the letter.

00:43:56.660 He said, you take it up, won't you?

00:44:00.120 I said, take it up.

00:44:01.760 Take the letter up to whom?

00:44:03.080 He said, to Cardinal Villot.

00:44:04.540 I said, I said, excellency, I can't take your resignation letter up to Cardinal Villot.

00:44:10.140 Are you kidding me?

00:44:11.320 He said, do that, would you?

00:44:13.680 He said, do that for me.

00:44:15.420 Well, I, I, I, and anyway, I did, I did.

00:44:19.000 Wasn't dressed for it.

00:44:20.100 There wasn't anything for it.

00:44:21.180 And I certainly wasn't, I didn't know what I would say, what I would do.

00:44:24.400 Got up to the secretary of state.

00:44:26.400 And I said to, uh, you can see the sort of a chubby little man.

00:44:30.180 He had been there for 300 years in the same position as a, as the, uh, the greeter or whatever.

00:44:35.580 He was a controller.

00:44:36.640 He knew who was going where, and then it would sell information to who was where, what was what.

00:44:40.920 Anyway, I said, this, this is a letter for, for, for Cardinal Villot, secretary of state.

00:44:47.160 It's from his excellency, Edouard Gagnon said, all right, as we, you'll see that he gets this.

00:44:55.980 Yes.

00:44:56.640 He stood up and went back to the office.

00:45:00.660 They have like sort of cubicles there.

00:45:04.420 And all of a sudden with that, with that wolf of Galois cigarettes out, out from behind the, the curtain, a literal curtain, uh, appeared.

00:45:17.160 Villot, quite angry, quite angry.

00:45:22.200 I guess he had just read enough of the letter.

00:45:25.880 He said to me, this is, this is, you want to, you want clericalism?

00:45:30.080 This is clericalism. 0.80

00:45:32.020 You tell that man to get up here.

00:45:36.440 I said, excuse me.

00:45:38.040 He said, you tell Gagnon, where is he?

00:45:44.500 I said, he's down in the quartile.

00:45:46.120 He's in the car.

00:45:47.040 Did you go down right now?

00:45:48.140 And you tell him to come up here.

00:45:49.560 I said, are you asking me?

00:45:52.540 Do you want me to do you a favor?

00:45:54.820 Or, or is that a command?

00:45:57.840 I said, I don't work for you.

00:46:01.680 Right now.

00:46:02.640 I said, he won't come up.

00:46:04.020 I said, why don't you come down?

00:46:09.520 The look, it was just, I'm saying, it was almost a figurative question.

00:46:15.100 Why don't you come down from where you are and on those lofty heights?

00:46:19.800 Right.

00:46:20.440 Absolutely not.

00:46:22.100 I said, well, that's it.

00:46:23.040 I walked down, got back in the elevator.

00:46:25.800 Gagnon said, how did he take it?

00:46:27.300 I started laughing.

00:46:28.400 I said, oh, quite well.

00:46:29.920 I drove him to the airport.

00:46:34.640 A beautiful, beautiful conversation all the way around.

00:46:38.540 And that was it.

00:46:41.780 He got on a plane and left.

00:46:44.300 When John Paul II was shot in an assassination attempt, it was said that while he was in the hospital, he almost died.

00:47:00.000 You know that.

00:47:01.160 The Pope almost died.

00:47:02.960 But you don't know what he almost died of.

00:47:09.280 This is remarkable.

00:47:10.780 He did not almost die of the bullet wounds.

00:47:14.300 He died of, almost died of hepatitis.

00:47:19.400 Because they gave him, they gave him bad blood.

00:47:22.920 They gave him contaminated blood at the Jamili Hospital.

00:47:27.380 Right.

00:47:29.240 I know that because Kevin Cahill, Dr. Kevin Cahill of New York, a specialist in tropical diseases.

00:47:36.180 And I know that because he took care of some of my kids from the orphanage in Mexico, free.

00:47:41.960 I brought them up to him because no one could help him.

00:47:44.840 But Cahill did.

00:47:45.780 And he was a wonderful man.

00:47:47.260 Cahill was flown over on a private jet by Cardinal O'Connor.

00:47:52.880 Asked him as a favor to go over to Rome to intervene.

00:47:56.880 Cahill got there and stayed with the Pope until he came out of coma with the hepatitis.

00:48:03.320 He was there and saved his life.

00:48:06.660 But when the Holy Father, when the Holy Father really came to, and nobody knows how close he was to death.

00:48:13.700 He really seriously was close to death.

00:48:16.520 It is said, I wasn't there.

00:48:19.320 All right.

00:48:19.520 But it is said that the Holy Father turned to the man closest to him, who was Jibnay, Stanislaw Jibnay.

00:48:30.320 And he said, find Gagnon.

00:48:35.740 Hmm.

00:48:38.700 And they did.

00:48:40.220 They went looking for Gagnon.

00:48:42.200 And they found him.

00:48:43.340 And the Holy Father said, you tell Archbishop Gagnon that the Holy Father wants him back in Rome.

00:48:51.260 Please come.

00:48:53.520 Gagnon was on.

00:48:54.680 As soon as he got the news, it took some, it took a little while to find him.

00:48:58.040 When they found him, he got on a plane, came, went back to Rome.

00:49:02.480 The Holy Father made him.

00:49:05.420 He talked to the Pope.

00:49:07.400 He said, Holy Father, I'll come back and work for you.

00:49:13.340 You've got a promise to get rid of Bajo from the Congregation of Bishops. 0.99

00:49:18.680 You have to promise that.

00:49:24.260 Okay.

00:49:25.620 If that's the condition to getting you back, okay.

00:49:29.300 He got him back.

00:49:30.300 He made him a cardinal.

00:49:31.460 Made Gagnon a cardinal.

00:49:33.460 It took him almost two years from that promise to get rid of Bajo. 1.00

00:49:39.560 Almost two years.

00:49:40.720 1984.

00:49:41.200 He finally got rid of Bajo. 1.00

00:49:44.460 And he put him in charge of stamps.

00:49:47.920 The Vatican, the Vatican post office stamps.

00:49:50.540 A man from the Congregation of Bishops was now in charge of two cent stamps for five lira or whatever that was.

00:49:56.180 Anyway, it was, that was, that was the end of Bajo.

00:49:59.680 And you see, what you don't do is, is throw these people far away.

00:50:06.140 Even John Paul I, when he proposed to, to give Venice to Bajo, to get him out of the Congregation for Bishops, the reason, somebody said, well, why would you give him Venice? 0.96

00:50:18.660 My God, the man is a dastard, a walking dastardly plot.

00:50:23.840 Because John Paul I had people in Venice who knew and loved him, who would watch over everything that the man ever did. 0.99

00:50:34.340 Again, in his life, he would be controlled.

00:50:35.960 So it wasn't, it wasn't a danger.

00:50:38.860 They would have, he would, they would have the right people there as auxiliary bishops and bishop that people who couldn't, Bajo couldn't get rid of.

00:50:45.620 They were there to take care of it.

00:50:47.420 We had a few popes do that in life.

00:50:49.320 There was one pope, I think, it might have been Pius X, it might have been Pius X, if it wasn't with Pius XI, he had two cardinals who were dastardly.

00:51:02.900 And he would never give them any assignment other than to be present at every pontifical ceremony.

00:51:09.600 And they walked right in front of the pope in procession.

00:51:13.080 And somebody said, why do you keep these people so close?

00:51:16.620 And he said, are you kidding?

00:51:18.680 Why do I keep them close?

00:51:20.100 You always keep your enemies close.

00:51:22.160 I want to see every move they make.

00:51:24.960 He knew what they were up to.

00:51:26.800 Now, that, all of that said, oh, let me just, let me just say this too.

00:51:32.760 Please help me with the young lady's name. 0.65

00:51:35.520 She wrote a great book, The Sangalan Mafia.

00:51:41.000 Is it Julie?

00:51:41.860 Oh, yes.

00:51:42.840 Julie Maloney.

00:51:44.260 Julia Maloney.

00:51:44.880 Julie Maloney.

00:51:45.760 Great book.

00:51:46.620 Great book.

00:51:49.520 She exposes a lot. 0.98

00:51:51.400 She did great research.

00:51:54.580 One thing that she failed to mention in that book was Martini. 1.00

00:52:01.440 I keep remembering, you know, you're old enough to remember W.C. Fields.

00:52:07.040 You know W.C. Fields?

00:52:08.320 You do?

00:52:09.060 Well, that's good.

00:52:10.260 You don't know Bing Crosby going my way, for goodness sake.

00:52:12.820 Come on.

00:52:13.140 Well, I know of Bing Crosby, but going my way to ever say.

00:52:16.100 All right.

00:52:16.300 All right.

00:52:16.700 I'm just giving you a heart.

00:52:17.840 You know that.

00:52:18.360 But one of W.C. Fields' favorite expressions was, oh, drat.

00:52:26.460 Right?

00:52:26.680 And another one was Godfrey Daniels.

00:52:31.000 That was one of his expressions.

00:52:32.240 Well, I love that we had a cardinal from Belgium by the name of Godfrey Daniels, who was a cardinal.

00:52:41.280 Those people that she mentions in the Sangalan Mafia, all of them were made bishops by Sebastian Cardinal Baja.

00:52:51.420 All of them, all of them.

00:52:56.660 I double-checked that.

00:52:59.280 I double-checked that.

00:53:00.540 Yeah.

00:53:01.000 It is amazing.

00:53:02.860 And this is what, this is where we've been going.

00:53:07.660 We're still living with the effects of that.

00:53:09.880 We're still living with the effects of that.

00:53:11.820 Right?

00:53:12.360 And it's sad.

00:53:13.620 It's sad.

00:53:14.100 Yeah, because there's a perpetuating effect as well, because then those bad bishops can name other, get others named, and it's terrible.

00:53:23.000 You know it.

00:53:23.660 Yes.

00:53:25.360 Yes.

00:53:26.380 We want, I want, we have the same thing of another famous, or I should say infamous cardinal from Washington, D.C., also made a bishop by Cardinal Baja.

00:53:36.580 Wow.

00:53:37.140 This is, this is what we're, this is what we're, we're still dealing with.

00:53:43.280 We're still dealing with.

00:53:44.900 And people ask, why are, why is there confusion with the faith, doctrine of the faith, dogmas that we, we hold dear as, why is there, why is, everything is questioned.

00:53:58.220 Why is there, why can't you go to two Catholic masses that are the same?

00:54:03.420 Why can't, why can't you do that?

00:54:05.440 I thought it was great years ago when I read Ratzinger, I shouldn't call him Ratzinger, Pope Benedict.

00:54:12.080 He said, he said something to the effect, and I thought, this is banally profound.

00:54:18.600 He said something to the effect that every Catholic has the right to walk into a Catholic church and be able to identify the mass as the Catholic mass.

00:54:29.380 That's, that's, you, that's one of your rights is being baptized a Catholic.

00:54:35.420 You have that right to be able to identify a mass, right?

00:54:39.060 Because some of the masses are unbelievably all over the place.

00:54:43.100 You know that, you know that.

00:54:44.740 I, as a priest traveling, I've stopped into, to make a visit in different cathedrals, sanctuaries, some private prayer time, and mass will begin.

00:54:54.580 I, I, I, I walk out during the, during the, the sermon, the homily, it's just, I can't, I can't stomach it. 0.77

00:55:01.040 I know it's ridiculous. 0.88

00:55:02.260 It's bizarre.

00:55:03.620 All of this confusion is because of a whole slew of bishops who were named, who were incorrectly, as far as I'm concerned, incorrectly took their positions.

00:55:16.340 It's, it's, it's sad, but that's where we're at.

00:55:21.180 And, and I would, I would add just one other thing too, and then I'll shut up, I promise, right?

00:55:25.360 But, I want your listeners to know this too.

00:55:32.960 The, oh, I'm forgetting it.

00:55:37.140 I'm forgetting it.

00:55:39.580 I just slipped my mind.

00:55:40.760 It'll come back.

00:55:41.320 But, but the, oh, my goodness, isn't that terrible to me?

00:55:46.120 Don't get old.

00:55:47.660 John Henry, don't, don't do it.

00:55:49.200 Just don't do it.

00:55:50.680 It's, it's no fun. 0.96

00:55:52.600 My, my grandfather, my grandfather said when, when we were growing, growing up and he was getting older, he said, growing old isn't for sissies. 0.63

00:56:03.540 Anyway, I, I'm forgetting where I'm going.

00:56:06.140 But, there, there's, there's a lot of work to be done in the church.

00:56:09.740 And, just so that we don't end on, on a, on a pejorative note, and a negative one, but, people ask, I've gotten some letters from the last time I was on your show.

00:56:22.620 I got, I've gotten, really, I, I was amazed.

00:56:26.380 Very, very beautiful letters.

00:56:27.800 Um, I'm sure there are a number of people who don't like me because of things that I've said, but, uh, I haven't gotten any of those yet, so that's good.

00:56:37.500 But, they, they, they've been very, they've been very positive, but many of them asked, well, you know, all of these horrible things.

00:56:44.380 Why do you keep smiling?

00:56:46.260 Why are you happy?

00:56:47.400 You seem to be happy.

00:56:48.520 And, I, I, I, I, I simply say this, and I, I don't mean to sound flippant, but, I've read to the end of the book, we win.

00:57:04.040 Absolutely the case.

00:57:05.440 We win.

00:57:05.920 And, it's, it's just, it's this muck and, and, and, and this quagmire that we're in right now, this, ah, this kind of thing.

00:57:15.180 It's a bad place.

00:57:17.660 But, I don't lose hope.

00:57:19.720 My faith is, is, is intact.

00:57:22.820 I try to teach it to as many people as I can.

00:57:26.900 People are amazed to learn their faith.

00:57:28.900 Do you know that?

00:57:29.900 They're amazed to learn their faith.

00:57:31.620 You're talking, I'm talking to adults who know, they have no concept of anything.

00:57:37.100 Anything.

00:57:39.120 Look, we had, I was pastor of Our Lady of Guadalupe Church in Manhattan.

00:57:45.220 It got so crowded.

00:57:47.940 Our church got so crowded.

00:57:49.100 I was saying five masses every Sunday.

00:57:52.460 To a packed, not a packed church.

00:57:54.760 We had speakers on 14th Street.

00:57:57.220 Anybody can tell you that?

00:57:58.100 The police were on 14th Street so that traffic would go around people.

00:58:02.920 We didn't fit in the church.

00:58:05.420 And the only reason that, that we were successful at that, I had a great deacon, too.

00:58:09.800 Deacon Rene, fantastic man.

00:58:11.940 But the, the reason that we were successful is because we started teaching the Catholic faith.

00:58:19.160 The first Sunday, the first Sunday that I was there as, as, as administrator, I should be, I should be clear.

00:58:24.140 It wasn't a pastor.

00:58:26.000 Then I was made pastor of two others.

00:58:28.100 Uh, but I said, we're going to start with nothing.

00:58:33.000 I've got all of these, most of them were Mexicans and most of them were Mexican young men would come up illegally. 0.60

00:58:38.600 They're working and everything else.

00:58:40.300 They still came to Our Lady of Guadalupe.

00:58:42.640 Can you imagine?

00:58:43.680 Can you imagine this?

00:58:45.160 I, this is mind boggling.

00:58:46.940 One of the, one of the great revelations to many of these young men who were very devout was that Our Lady of Guadalupe, the parish was under her protection, was the same as Mary, the mother of Jesus.

00:59:01.520 That, yeah, that, that, that, I said, well, what have you been coming for?

00:59:10.620 Well, excuse me.

00:59:13.880 If you didn't know, I mean, I'm not, I'm not mocking.

00:59:16.360 If you didn't know that, what were you coming for?

00:59:17.840 Well, because I'm in Guadalupe.

00:59:20.700 I said, wow.

00:59:22.020 Wow.

00:59:22.660 Anyway, the long and the short, but we began with nothing.

00:59:25.960 The first sermon that I gave, the first sermon that I gave to, to pack masses, they were good people, great people.

00:59:34.040 God, I love them.

00:59:35.580 We started with, there is no God.

00:59:39.900 And I gave all of the reasons for which there is no God.

00:59:44.540 I could see people's faces.

00:59:46.300 I said, now, I'm going to give the rebuttal to this next week.

00:59:51.800 You come back next Sunday.

00:59:53.860 And we just built from there.

00:59:56.880 We went into Aquinas' five proofs for the existence of, people were fascinated.

01:00:02.880 Wow.

01:00:03.620 They were just fascinated.

01:00:05.700 Couldn't get enough.

01:00:06.880 The church kept getting fuller and fuller.

01:00:08.760 And it's not that I'm such a great personality and so, so magnetic and so Mr. Wonderful or Father Wonderful or whatever you want.

01:00:17.120 It was that they had never heard their faith explained.

01:00:21.280 Although I must say, Father, that was an amazing marketing ploy.

01:00:30.880 You think?

01:00:32.740 Yeah.

01:00:33.160 You think?

01:00:34.220 But to have people get excited about their Catholic faith and, you know, and really, truly, and it was magnificent and grow.

01:00:48.500 But we have now three, four generations of people who have not been taught their faith.

01:00:54.640 They just, I don't understand why a lot of people even continue going to Mass.

01:01:02.560 I really mean that.

01:01:04.360 I mean, I'm glad they do.

01:01:05.460 And that's, please, I'm not saying don't go to Mass.

01:01:08.420 I'm not saying that at all.

01:01:09.260 But I don't, they don't know anything that's happening there.

01:01:12.200 And they haven't been taught.

01:01:13.360 And they haven't been, you know, it's just amazing.

01:01:16.980 And we could go on and on and on with abuses of liturgically and everything else, but I do know that at the end we win.

01:01:25.200 And that's what makes me a happy camper.

01:01:28.120 It fills me with hope.

01:01:29.800 And it doesn't matter that I see it.

01:01:31.720 Remember those men who built those cathedrals?

01:01:35.680 St. Peter's Basilica.

01:01:37.220 St. Peter's Basilica took over 250 years to build.

01:01:40.440 St. Peter's Basilica took over 250 years to build.

01:02:10.420 It doesn't matter because they had faith and they knew what they were doing.

01:02:14.020 They knew what was going to be done.

01:02:16.340 And they were part of it.

01:02:17.900 That's where I am today.

01:02:19.040 And that's where I invite a lot of your listeners to be.

01:02:23.600 Continue.

01:02:24.700 Put a little bit of blinders onto the world and the nonsense, even the nonsense that's going on in the church.

01:02:30.000 And walk straight.

01:02:31.460 Just walk straight.

01:02:32.420 Keep straight.

01:02:34.040 The Lord is straight ahead.

01:02:36.060 Keep walking in that direction.

01:02:37.800 Don't look right.

01:02:38.680 Don't look left.

01:02:39.420 Keep on.

01:02:40.600 And at the end, you're going to be on the winning side.

01:02:43.380 Just know that.

01:02:44.740 So, therefore, all of this kind of, a lot of this is that we're talking about today.

01:02:50.960 It's unpleasant.

01:02:52.600 It's unpleasant.

01:02:54.880 And I, to tell you the truth, I was going to take this to my grave.

01:02:59.360 We're so glad you didn't find it.

01:03:01.040 I just, I said, no, I can't do that.

01:03:03.820 I can't do that.

01:03:05.000 And once again, I ask Pope Francis, in all humility, release Cardinal Gagnon's three-year investigation of the Roman Curia from 1975 to 1978.

01:03:19.500 Just open it.

01:03:22.560 Let us see.

01:03:25.600 Because it's there.

01:03:26.900 It's there.

01:03:27.620 And one day they will.

01:03:29.420 One day those files will be open.

01:03:30.980 And it's, what I'm saying actually happened.

01:03:36.400 It's amazing.

01:03:37.780 And I know from, I know it from the sources.

01:03:40.680 God bless them.

01:03:41.580 All of them.

01:03:42.400 They're all in heaven with God right now.

01:03:44.480 I hope I'm doing well, Cardinal Gagnon.

01:03:46.680 I hope you're not upset.

01:03:48.940 I don't think he is.

01:03:49.980 I think he'd be happy.

01:03:51.620 It's about, I think he'd say it's about time.

01:03:54.120 Anyway.

01:03:54.520 Absolutely.

01:03:54.920 He would for sure give you his blessing from heaven.

01:03:59.680 And as we close, I'm going to ask you, Father, can you give us your blessing?

01:04:03.660 Oh, a privilege and honor.

01:04:06.560 Yes.

01:04:08.900 May the blessing of Almighty God and the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost descend upon you and all of your audience and viewers now and for all eternity.

01:04:23.220 Amen.

01:04:23.460 Amen.

01:04:25.240 God bless you, Father.

01:04:26.020 Don Henry, thank you.

01:04:27.040 Thank you so much.

01:04:28.160 It's a joy.

01:04:31.120 It's a joy to be on your program.

01:04:32.980 And I hope I haven't bored you, this old wooden bag here.

01:04:38.340 That was awesome, Father.

01:04:40.360 God bless you.

01:04:42.020 You're great.

01:04:42.720 Thank you.

01:04:43.880 And God bless all of you.

01:04:45.760 And we'll see you next time.

01:04:46.740 Amen.

01:04:47.800 Amen.

01:04:48.140 Amen.

01:04:48.440 Amen.

01:04:49.000 Amen.

01:04:49.120 Amen.

01:04:49.820 Amen.

01:04:50.520 Amen.

01:04:50.800 Amen.

01:05:03.060 Amen.

01:05:03.360 Amen.

01:05:03.880 Amen.

01:05:03.940 Amen.

01:05:04.620 Amen.

01:05:04.960 Amen.

01:05:05.660 Amen.

The John-Henry Westen Show - July 15, 2022

Was Freemasonry behind the death of Pope John Paul I？

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