The John-Henry Westen Show - February 11, 2026


Why are Young People interested in Race, Feminism, and Jews？

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In this episode, we talk about race, feminism, and the Jews with Anthony Abante, a Catholic priest from the Archdiocese of St. Augustine, Florida. He talks about why young people are interested in race and feminism, what it means to be Jewish in America, and why our identity should rest in our faith.

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00:00:00.000 That's why you're getting girl altar servers, that's why you're getting some of the crazy, terrible music. 0.86
00:00:06.760 A lot of that stuff is just the priest is afraid to tell the woman no.
00:00:12.360 Hey, my friends, we are here in Florida with Anthony Abante, who came to speak at the Regina Magazine conference.
00:00:20.340 He said something super interesting that I wanted to follow up with him on.
00:00:23.300 He said, young people are interested in race, feminism, and the Jews.
00:00:30.600 So we're going to talk about all that today.
00:00:33.100 Let's begin, as we always do, with the sign of the cross.
00:00:35.260 In the name of the Father, the Son, the Holy Ghost. Amen.
00:00:39.320 Race, feminism, and the Jews. 1.00
00:00:41.960 Let's start then with race.
00:00:43.600 Two things going on.
00:00:44.900 In America, you have the huge influx of immigration, fueling some racism probably.
00:00:50.480 Also, weird kind of reverse racism happening. 0.99
00:00:55.360 White people getting told that, hey, shut up. 0.99
00:00:59.520 We're talking now by those of color, blacks, and so on. 0.99
00:01:05.120 So what's your take on that?
00:01:07.120 Where is this coming from?
00:01:08.080 The issues that are facing young people today, it all really does come down to these three issues that they're talking about online, at least.
00:01:14.980 The issue of race is an interesting one because it's coming up because of the mass immigration influx.
00:01:23.900 There's a place to actually have this conversation where these are American guys who have been told for the past decade that they're worthless because they're white.
00:01:32.160 And it's almost like the pendulum is swinging back the other way, and it's going a little too hard at the moment.
00:01:39.040 But they are trying to understand what their identity is, and they're seeing, especially during the Biden era, where they just allowed mass immigration from places in the world that really aren't Christian.
00:01:50.880 So you're talking about allowing mass Muslim immigration.
00:01:53.740 You're talking about just from all over the place, and they come in here, and they aren't assimilating immigration from the past. 0.95
00:02:00.820 When we were younger, there was always immigration, but people would come in, and within a generation, the kids would be American.
00:02:09.360 And it seems like the way immigration is happening now is really just there's no assimilation, and they're keeping their culture.
00:02:16.100 So it's leading to things like you're seeing in Minneapolis.
00:02:18.900 You had the Somalian daycare fraud thing happening, and you're seeing this really intense conversation happening online where people are concerned with preserving their cultural identity, let's say, right?
00:02:34.600 So it's a tough conversation to have, but my big concern is that a lot of these young guys, in having this conversation, that their hearts are going to get a little jaded.
00:02:45.280 And they're going to dehumanize people.
00:02:47.820 So I think it's an important conversation to have with them.
00:02:50.580 You had a theory with regard to what there really should be and how this really should fall out, and what's that?
00:02:58.140 So it's actually E. Michael Jones has been talking about this.
00:03:01.480 We had him on maybe two weeks ago.
00:03:04.820 His idea is that we shouldn't be breaking things up into white and black or anything like that.
00:03:10.360 Like, this isn't a race discussion that we should be divided into three categories, which is Catholic, Protestant, and Muslim.
00:03:15.660 And it's an interesting thesis.
00:03:18.440 I'm still playing around with it, but it basically is like, my grandparents come to America.
00:03:27.160 My grandfather is from Italy.
00:03:29.100 My grandmother's from Ireland.
00:03:30.780 That's on my mom's side.
00:03:32.640 On my dad's side, my grandfather's from Italy.
00:03:34.620 My grandmother's from Germany.
00:03:36.040 So you already have this intermarriage between two ethnicities, right?
00:03:40.900 So you have Italian and German, then Italian and Irish.
00:03:43.020 Now, when my parents are born, they both still have a predominantly Italian culture that they're brought up in because the father is Italian.
00:03:53.460 Then I come, I'm third generation, and my parents raised me, and I still have like an Italian cultural identity when I'm growing up.
00:04:02.480 But my children are now the fourth generation, and they don't really have an Italian identity.
00:04:07.540 My kids are just kind of just, you know, just American kids.
00:04:10.920 They don't have any affinity to Italy or, you know, or Ireland or any of them.
00:04:17.500 They're just American.
00:04:19.240 So E. Michael Jones was saying that that's actually what happens, where you lose that ethnic identity, that European ethnic identity, because you're not staying.
00:04:30.200 It's not Italians marrying Italians anymore. 0.94
00:04:32.000 It's Italians marrying Germans, Italians marrying the Irish, and that kind of plays out. 0.82
00:04:35.760 And he says our identity should rest in our faith, and that should be where our cultural markers are.
00:04:42.480 So he says instead of white and black, he's like, no, you should be Catholic, you should be Protestant, you should be Muslim, because those are kind of the three categories.
00:04:50.120 He says, like, when you talk about white boys, he's like, those are just Protestant guys, you know, that are atheists.
00:04:57.380 Like, that's kind of his position.
00:04:58.500 It's an interesting way to think about it, because for me, especially because my family history is a little bit mixed now between the Irish and the German side, I don't actually know my family history that well.
00:05:12.460 Like, beyond my great-grandfather, I can't go back further than that.
00:05:15.900 So my ancestry is in the church.
00:05:18.040 The saints are my ancestors, right?
00:05:19.700 So that's where I actually do derive my identity from.
00:05:22.360 It's like, I don't know who came before my great-grandfather, but I know about St. Anthony, and I know about St. Francis, and that's where I see my ancestral tree from.
00:05:32.980 It's a very interesting point, but I think we need to add another category, because in my experience anyway, even in America, and I can speak for Canada or whatever,
00:05:42.700 but it's not Catholics, Protestants, and Jews, it's Catholics, Protestants, Jews, and atheists.
00:05:53.000 Because if you have a Catholic not practicing, don't care, they don't have those cultural markers you were just talking about.
00:06:00.840 They don't have the saints as their models and heroes, and that totally changes the playing field.
00:06:05.800 So I think it's a really great way of thinking about cultural identity, because in every single culture, your Catholic will be your most outstanding citizen,
00:06:19.620 because they will be the ones who practice the virtues upon which are based civilization.
00:06:26.580 And so it's going to be beautiful.
00:06:29.560 This whole idea of black and white and race and this stuff, it kind of comes from Protestantism.
00:06:34.740 So when the Spanish come to South America and Mexico to evangelize that continent, what happens?
00:06:40.640 You have the Spanish intermarry with the Aztecs and the Mayans, right?
00:06:45.380 And they build this beautiful mestizo culture together.
00:06:49.100 Because as Catholics, if you worship at the same altar now, you actually are allowed to intermarry,
00:06:54.180 where in Protestant America, you had a black church and you had a white church, and they were never to meet together.
00:07:00.960 In fact, they were still claiming to be part of the same invisible body of like-minded believers, but they really aren't.
00:07:07.660 You know, this whole conversation around these racial tensions really does stem from Protestant America.
00:07:13.560 That's a very interesting thesis, because you could say the same happened in Canada with the French.
00:07:18.860 They come in and they intermarry with the native. 0.97
00:07:23.220 And so, and then you have the Métis and you have, so it's a very, I think there's a lot of truth in that. 0.98
00:07:31.120 Because even during the height of racism in America, you have Catholic bishops who are black.
00:07:40.200 And so, you can go to the 20s, 30s, 40s, and find even video of white priests kneeling at the feet of black bishops blessing them.
00:07:55.440 Yeah.
00:07:56.020 And it's stunning.
00:07:57.460 Very powerful image.
00:07:58.600 Yeah, very powerful.
00:07:59.780 You know, here it was, all this whole racism.
00:08:01.900 And so, anyway, really gorgeous.
00:08:03.520 Let's talk a little bit about another one of these issues that the youth are so intimately interested in right now, and that is in feminism. 1.00
00:08:12.340 What is happening there and why?
00:08:14.780 The younger generation right now just seems very jaded from the things they were sold.
00:08:20.520 And I think even women are waking up to this. 0.98
00:08:22.720 Like, there are a lot of women who are waking up saying, they convinced me to go chase a career, and now all of a sudden I'm 30 years old, I have a good job, and my fertile years are kind of running short here.
00:08:33.520 And I now have to go and work instead of getting to stay home with my baby.
00:08:37.780 And I think even women are waking up to this. 0.98
00:08:41.080 But what's happened, especially with things like the red pill, is the red pill is kind of like the Andrew Tates and the guys like the Whatever podcast.
00:08:50.400 These guys bring on some of the worst feminists that can be brought on, and they kind of point out all the absurdity of what feminism does. 1.00
00:08:59.480 Now, these guys do a good job of diagnosing what the issue is, but their solution is always very carnal, and it's basically feminism for men. 0.94
00:09:07.500 It's like meninism or something, you know. 0.88
00:09:09.260 So they diagnose that feminism is awful. 1.00
00:09:12.340 Women have been sold this terrible bill of goods and accepted it. 1.00
00:09:17.980 Women don't view men properly anymore. 1.00
00:09:20.360 And their solution is, go get yourself in the gym, go buy a nice car, get a nice house, and go through tons of women. 1.00
00:09:28.580 Like, they're telling men to go use women.
00:09:30.640 Andrew Tate tells men, you should never be locked down to one woman.
00:09:34.260 You should have multiple kids with multiple women. 1.00
00:09:36.020 He's like a polygamist. 0.52
00:09:37.040 It's really, like, the solutions they come up with are awful.
00:09:41.060 And I think that, like, the younger generation is waking up to how bad feminism was, but making sure they get the proper solutions to it is just as important to recognizing the problem. 0.99
00:09:55.160 What do you see as the Catholic solution?
00:09:57.020 Patriarchy, marriage, but with understanding that the wife is subject to the husband. 0.98
00:10:03.380 Because without understanding that, the whole thing falls apart.
00:10:07.000 And I think we're seeing that play out in every home, and it goes all the way up to the Vatican.
00:10:12.680 So if you look at the parish level, every priest that is afraid to say no to some of the women in the parish, that's why you're getting girl altar servers. 0.97
00:10:22.240 That's why you're getting some of the crazy, terrible music.
00:10:26.020 A lot of that stuff is just the priest is afraid to tell the woman no.
00:10:28.860 So when you go up even higher and you get up to the bishops in the hierarchy, what is synodality at its root?
00:10:34.280 The synodality is the men who are in the hierarchy are supposed to tell us what doctrine is, and they're asking the lady, please tell us what doctrine should be.
00:10:44.080 It's mutual submission.
00:10:45.820 And that's not the way God intended it.
00:10:47.420 God gave us a hierarchy for a reason, and men are supposed to take the lead. 0.99
00:10:51.100 There could be different temperaments on men and women, but in the end, it really does come down to if you're a man, you are responsible for your household.
00:11:00.140 You have a calling to be the priest of your home.
00:11:02.420 You're responsible for the souls of your wife and your children. 0.99
00:11:05.920 And if you don't, as a man, understand how important that call is, you're not going to live up to the priesthood in the home the way God really wants you to.
00:11:13.100 Thank you for your support.
00:11:43.100 Thank you for your support, and may God bless you.
00:11:46.500 All right, the Jews. 0.99
00:11:49.180 So this is a big one, and this really launches into popular understanding or at least discussion in a big way after October the 7th.
00:11:59.380 It's like a revolution.
00:12:01.740 And it's not because of October 7th per se, but I guess you could maybe say it's because of the aftermath.
00:12:07.920 Where do you see that going, and where is that at for young people right now?
00:12:11.840 What's been really interesting is seeing how differently people actually receive the conversation now.
00:12:18.860 So there's a few different things we have to be cautious of when we talk about this stuff, because there are people who hear stuff and they go down a dark road.
00:12:26.720 But I always try to avoid getting into the conspiracy stuff when I talk about this topic.
00:12:32.120 I try to avoid it's, you know, okay, they control banks, and I guess that's kind of irrelevant.
00:12:38.120 Don't watch pornography, don't fall into debt, and stay away from harmful stuff from Hollywood.
00:12:42.680 But the actual story of what is the relationship between Catholics and Jews is an important one.
00:12:51.020 And it's one that I really just started digging into myself over the last couple of years.
00:12:56.680 A lot of it has to do with stuff I learned from the Lighthouse Catholic media talks we all heard back in the early 2000s that you would grab at your local parish, you know.
00:13:04.880 But understanding that the golden thread throughout Genesis is all about the covenant, I mean the birthright was supposed to go to the firstborn son, and instead it goes to the secondborn.
00:13:15.780 So it starts with Abraham where he has Ishmael and Isaac, and Ishmael is the firstborn, but the birthright goes to Isaac because he's the son of the promise.
00:13:27.200 Isaac then has Jacob and Esau, Esau is the firstborn, he's supposed to get the birthright, but he forgoes his birthright, and it winds up going to Jacob.
00:13:36.580 Jacob then has 12 sons, his firstborn is Judas, he should get the birthright, but it ends up going to Joseph.
00:13:42.880 Joseph gets sold into slavery by Judas for 20 pieces of silver, should sound very familiar, right? 0.80
00:13:49.580 And he ends up becoming the prince of the Gentiles, and really understanding that whole thread that runs throughout Genesis is all about the birthright and the covenant promises should go to the firstborn, but they don't. 0.65
00:14:04.480 So God says to Moses, tell Pharaoh Israel is my firstborn son.
00:14:09.460 So Moses, by implication, it's Israel is God's firstborn, but what does that mean?
00:14:15.100 The nations are his secondborn, and when Christ comes, the Jews reject the covenant, and the covenant goes to the nations instead. 1.00
00:14:25.660 Now, that enmity there, that they crucify the Messiah, and then there's this antagonistic relationship.
00:14:34.060 From the book of Acts, you read about the Sanhedrin persecuting the church.
00:14:39.860 That story plays out throughout history, and it's been going on for 2,000 years.
00:14:44.100 Now, once you get to World War II, I think the events of World War II shocked people so much that the church probably looked at that and said,
00:14:54.920 oh, maybe we contributed to this.
00:14:57.180 And I think they took a softer approach, the way they did everything.
00:15:00.600 And instead of saying there's no salvation outside the church, they started making it like, oh, religions can coexist.
00:15:06.360 So they have been telling us since the council that never view Jews with suspicion.
00:15:14.560 But Jews, since World War II, have been told Christians will give you, they'll make another holocaust. 0.99
00:15:21.180 So they view us with suspicion while we don't view them with suspicion.
00:15:24.440 And that's the problem and the dynamic that's going on right now, and that any time you even try to have a conversation like we're having right now, the accusation of anti-Semitism comes your way.
00:15:34.300 And really, we're just talking about this on a story level.
00:15:37.600 There should never stir up any kind of hatred towards anybody.
00:15:40.860 We're just saying, how do the Jews still play a role in the story of salvation history?
00:15:47.120 Do they play a role in the apocalypse?
00:15:49.360 If it was the Jews who persecuted Christ the first time he comes, will they persecute the church the second time he comes? 0.99
00:15:56.340 Because we know the church will follow our Lord into his passion, death and resurrection, right?
00:15:59.940 So what role do they play in it?
00:16:02.200 I mean, you have a lot of imagery about Babylon returning and the whore riding the beast and the whore is drunk on the blood of the martyrs and mixing with the nations. 0.91
00:16:14.920 And, I mean, if the story plays out typologically the way it did the first time, then, yeah, Israel's going to play a significant part in that story.
00:16:23.720 Makes sense, because we know that the coming Antichrist, who will persecute the church like never before, will also be the, at least for a time, accepted Messiah of the Jews. 0.99
00:16:34.440 He will be the Jewish Messiah. 0.52
00:16:35.740 Now, what's interesting, I think that leads people to think that the Antichrist will be Jewish. 0.95
00:16:41.000 And that's not necessarily true, because the fathers said that the Antichrist will be from the tribe of Dan.
00:16:47.100 I don't know if Catholics, a lot of Catholics know this, but all Jews are Israelites, but not all Israelites are Jews.
00:16:53.740 So Israel is the 12 tribes of Israel. 0.55
00:16:56.960 At a certain point, the 10 northern tribes break off under Jeroboam and Rehoboam.
00:17:02.320 This is after Solomon.
00:17:03.240 So after Solomon builds the temple, his descendants then kind of have a war with one another, and the 10 northern tribes break off.
00:17:10.400 And the tribe of Dan is in those 10 northern tribes.
00:17:13.080 Then Assyria comes in and destroys the 10 northern tribes. 0.93
00:17:16.960 And they get dispersed throughout the nations.
00:17:19.340 So much so that they're essentially Gentiles at that point, because they've lost any kind of identity of, like, Israeli identity. 0.98
00:17:27.500 So by the time Paul comes, Paul's mission is to the Gentiles, but that mission is actually about bringing the lost children of Israel back.
00:17:37.720 Because God promises he's going to reunite the 12 tribes of Israel, but the 10 northern tribes are dispersed throughout the nations so much, you can't actually find them.
00:17:45.740 We have no idea where they are.
00:17:47.100 The only way you can unite them is by bringing the Gentile nations into the covenant, and now you get the lost children of Israel. 1.00
00:17:52.840 So when we say the Antichrist will be the Jewish Messiah, but he's from the tribe of Dan, like, what does that actually mean, the tribe of Dan?
00:18:00.440 We don't know where the tribe of Dan is.
00:18:02.400 So he could just be anyone, and we just don't know he's from the tribe of Dan.
00:18:07.660 It's just something I've been thinking about a lot lately, and it kind of hit me the other day with that.
00:18:12.200 Because I've had, when I've, like, kind of talked about this, I've had people push back and say to me, it can't be this person, it can't be this person, because they're not Jewish.
00:18:21.760 And it's like, yeah, I don't know if they're necessarily going to be Jewish.
00:18:25.060 This is a funny question for me, because as we were saying before when we were talking, that this is really not a question of race with the Jews.
00:18:36.320 It's actually a question of religion.
00:18:38.820 This boils down to religion.
00:18:41.040 And that is one place where, as you were saying, you know, after the Second World War, maybe the church thought, oh, maybe we contributed in some way to this, and we want to pull back, and we want to basically make nice with everybody,
00:18:53.620 and not stress the fact that extra ecclesiam nulla salis, outside the church, there's no salvation.
00:19:02.260 But spiritually speaking, that's not being friendly.
00:19:10.100 Jesus says, I am the way, the truth, and the life.
00:19:13.380 No man comes to the Father but by me.
00:19:15.700 And the church knows that, or is supposed to know that.
00:19:18.520 So in pulling back, in not being mean, or not evangelizing the Jews, as the late Cardinal Casper said, we must not.
00:19:31.120 And as the modern church basically doesn't want to bring the Jews to Jesus, wants to give them, like, a free pass, wants to say, hey, there's some actual theology that's Christian,
00:19:42.980 it's Protestant Christian, that says, oh, they have the First Covenant, still blah, blah, blah.
00:19:47.880 And we don't have to worry about them, they're all shoe-ins in heaven, it doesn't matter.
00:19:53.400 To be honest, though, that's true anti-Semitism. 0.90
00:19:57.180 You withhold Jesus from the Jews, and there's no saying that they are officially rejecting Jesus by definition of their religion.
00:20:08.760 It is an anti-Jesus religion, because they rejected Jesus as the Messiah and are awaiting another Messiah.
00:20:15.260 I think they came to the fore, much with Ben Shapiro, and then the later rejection of Candace Owens over Christ as King.
00:20:24.780 How do you think we need to now go to these young people and give them this final chapter on the Jews? 0.86
00:20:32.640 Yeah, the way I've been handling all these conversations is just cautioning anyone that listens to me to not lose your soul to hardness of heart.
00:20:42.240 Because they are difficult topics.
00:20:45.000 And, like, if you go back to the race question, there is an element where it's, like, we should want to preserve an American identity,
00:20:52.280 but when you encounter people, you still have to love everyone and remember that Christ says,
00:20:59.120 how you treated the least of these you did unto me, you know?
00:21:02.400 So all of this, especially with the conversations around the more tense topics about the Jews, things like that,
00:21:09.240 we cannot dehumanize other people.
00:21:12.320 Because at what cost are you having these conversations?
00:21:16.380 At what cost?
00:21:17.200 Like, if your heart becomes hardened and darkened, you will lose your soul.
00:21:22.400 So you think you saved your nation, but at what cost?
00:21:24.700 What does it profit a man?
00:21:25.660 So I think these conversations do need to be had, and I think they have to be had cautiously,
00:21:32.640 that don't rile up hatred.
00:21:34.420 Because there is going to be some people who take these conversations the wrong way, 1.00
00:21:38.200 and they go and do something stupid. 1.00
00:21:40.080 And that's the big worry. 0.99
00:21:41.660 So we've been having these conversations on my show, but they're always from a story level,
00:21:46.840 they're never from a conspiratory level, and just kind of playing out,
00:21:50.900 what does this look like as we go forward?
00:21:52.880 It's so tame.
00:21:55.360 It's amazing that people think you rile up in all the anti-names that ever existed.
00:22:01.600 Anthony, thank you so much.
00:22:02.500 Thank you, John Henry.
00:22:03.300 God bless you, my friend.
00:22:04.760 God bless all of you from Tampa, Florida.
00:22:07.740 We'll see you next time.
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