The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast - 12 Rules Portland： Technology, Temperament & Free Speech

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00:00:57.420 Welcome to the third episode of Season 2 of the Jordan B. Peterson Podcast.

00:01:04.140 My name is Michaela Peterson, and I've been working with my dad on many of his projects for the last year.

00:01:09.100 We've decided to run this podcast as a joint project.

00:01:11.820 We thought that might be something fun and meaningful to do together.

00:01:14.640 We hope you enjoy it.

00:01:15.600 The podcast will feature discussions with scientific, literary, and political thinkers of the highest quality we can manage,

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00:01:25.500 For this episode, we're presenting Dad's lecture at the Keller Auditorium in Portland, Oregon on June 25th, 2018.

00:01:33.340 In this lecture, I describe the surprising popularity of long-form philosophical discussions,

00:01:39.940 making specific reference to my talks with Sam Harris on science and value and religion and atheism,

00:01:46.540 the vital and biologically influenced role that temperament and personality play in determining individual interest and ability,

00:01:53.240 and the necessity that free and untrammeled speech plays in aiding people's ability to think carefully and make proper decisions.

00:02:03.040 Thought is by no means something we only engage in as individuals.

00:02:07.640 I heard there were protesters in Portland.

00:02:10.380 Yeah, well, Portland is the place where you'd expect there to be protesters,

00:02:14.080 and there were probably protesters at somewhere between six and a dozen of the 135 12 Rules for Life lectures around the world.

00:02:24.120 No, I didn't know that.

00:02:25.240 Is that anxiety-provoking at all?

00:02:27.580 Well, it is when you first hear about the possibility of the protest,

00:02:31.080 because you don't know exactly what might come of it.

00:02:33.580 But the way it turned out was, well, first of all, most of the places that advertised the protests,

00:02:41.280 the advertisements for the protests drew out very few protesters.

00:02:45.620 I think the most protests we ever had were maybe a couple dozen,

00:02:50.140 except for one evening when there was a protest for another reason that happened to coincide with one of my lectures.

00:02:55.580 And so all the protest advertisements did was sell more tickets and advertise the show or the lecture more effectively.

00:03:04.440 And I was pretty shielded from whatever protest there might be,

00:03:09.500 because they were always out front, and we had security, not a lot,

00:03:13.780 and I was always in the back of the theater preparing, and so that wasn't a problem.

00:03:19.000 And then, although it's anxiety-provoking because you're not certain exactly what might come of the protest,

00:03:27.300 the overall tenor of the lectures is so positive that the fact that there's a dozen or two dozen protesters

00:03:35.160 compared to the 3,000 people who've come out who are very happy to be there

00:03:39.180 and who are really engaged in the lectures, it makes it completely irrelevant.

00:03:42.640 So I would say, overall, for the entire year's worth of tours, the fact of protest was pretty minimal.

00:03:52.380 It didn't have much of an effect on what we were doing at all.

00:03:55.320 That's good. Has anybody come up to you?

00:03:58.360 Like, has anybody been negative to you, or is it kind of on the outskirts?

00:04:02.260 It's very, very rare that someone is anything but exceptionally positive to me on the street.

00:04:07.780 I've had really, I would say, one, two rude encounters out of literally thousands over the last year.

00:04:17.400 Most people are very careful, cautious.

00:04:21.660 They always ask me if they're inconveniencing me, and I tell them that they're not.

00:04:29.040 And then we have a conversation. They often want a photo.

00:04:32.340 So the one-on-one interactions are incredibly positive.

00:04:37.820 And it's also the case with the questions-and-answer periods and the meet-and-greets after the lectures themselves.

00:04:43.900 The opportunity to meet people, because I usually met about 150 people per lecture, was always extremely positive.

00:04:49.920 And I swore at the beginning of this that if I started to tire of the meeting people,

00:04:55.340 you know, who were there to listen to me talk and to buy my book and to support me,

00:04:58.620 if I ever started to get cynical about that, or to get tired of it, or to start thinking about it as an obligation,

00:05:03.480 that I would just stop.

00:05:05.160 But I never did feel that way.

00:05:06.480 I was always thrilled to meet the people who were there.

00:05:09.160 Because, you know, why wouldn't anyone sensible be thrilled about that?

00:05:13.660 Yeah, they'd come all the way out to support you.

00:05:15.980 Yeah, that's for sure.

00:05:16.760 Slap and stand up.

00:05:17.700 Yeah, and they spent a lot of time and money and effort.

00:05:20.220 And they're already positively inclined.

00:05:24.000 And so I have every reason to be grateful for their attendance and their careful attention

00:05:29.000 and the fact that they're engaging in something serious and that they're serious about it

00:05:33.440 and that they want to talk to me.

00:05:34.960 It's a privilege.

00:05:35.960 And I felt that way the whole time.

00:05:37.940 Oh, that's really cool.

00:05:39.320 When we come back, we'll hear Dad's lecture at the Keller Auditorium in Portland, Oregon.

00:05:46.080 Hey guys, an update on upcoming events.

00:05:48.680 Dad is going to be debating Slavoj Žižek, April 19th at 7.30pm EST in Toronto.

00:05:55.140 The debate is Marxism versus capitalism and should be very interesting.

00:05:59.600 Žižek is basically the world's most prominent Marxist

00:06:02.560 and Dad thinks Marxism is pretty much the most dangerous ideology out there.

00:06:06.900 Should be spicy.

00:06:08.480 Tickets are completely sold out.

00:06:10.420 They sold out incredibly fast.

00:06:11.940 So we set up a live stream for the first time.

00:06:14.720 We figured people who weren't in Toronto would want a chance to see the debate.

00:06:18.280 Plus a lot of Žižek's fans are European.

00:06:20.720 Tickets are being sold at Dad's website, jordanbpeterson.com slash events and at petersonverszijek.com.

00:06:29.380 It should be extremely interesting.

00:06:31.300 Please welcome my father, Dr. Jordan B. Peterson.

00:06:36.820 Thank you.

00:06:39.960 Yeah, and I see Dave mentioned that you guys have generated the largest number of protesters so far.

00:06:47.700 So apparently they're opposed to violent men, which seems like a reasonable proposition.

00:06:53.080 So I don't know where they expect to find them here precisely, but that's okay.

00:07:00.960 So I thought I'd start by just laying out a couple of things I've been thinking about the last couple of days.

00:07:09.300 I use these lectures to think, you know, and so I guess in that sense they're not exactly lectures.

00:07:17.540 I really think about them more as a discussion.

00:07:20.680 You know, you might think, well, it's kind of funny to term this event a discussion because I'm talking and you guys aren't talking.

00:07:28.640 But that's not really true because I can look at the audience constantly and do specific people in the audience and I can see if what I'm saying is making sense and if people are following me.

00:07:41.720 And I listen to everyone in some sense and I try to make sure that everyone's quiet because then I know I'm on track, right?

00:07:51.380 Because if you're rustling around and moving and whispering to each other and so forth, then I've lost the track.

00:07:56.220 And so then the discussion isn't proceeding properly and so it's a discussion.

00:08:01.180 And I've been trying to figure out, you know, I was in Vancouver, I think Dave mentioned that, talking to Sam Harris.

00:08:07.640 And it was so strange because we were there two nights and it sold out and the venue was about, not quite as big as this one, but pretty close.

00:08:15.920 And so that meant that there was 5,000 people in Vancouver who came out to see two, you know, guys who are basically scientists slash intellectuals.

00:08:28.760 I think that's the right category.

00:08:32.800 Talk about high-level ideas, full force, you know.

00:08:36.340 So the thing that I would compare it to most that I've had familiarity with before was a PhD defense.

00:08:43.340 So there was about that level of discourse.

00:08:45.080 Now, it wasn't exactly a PhD defense because I was defending and so was Sam, right?

00:08:50.620 So it was like a dueling PhD defense.

00:08:54.860 But it was so interesting to see that so many people were interested in that, you know.

00:08:59.920 And we talked for an hour the first night and then we were going to go to Q&A, but the audience didn't want us to go to Q&A.

00:09:07.100 They wanted us to continue the discussion.

00:09:09.120 And so we talked for about two and a half hours, which is a long time for an intense discussion like that.

00:09:13.940 And then the same thing happened the next night.

00:09:16.000 And so it's really made me think, like, what the hell's going on?

00:09:19.000 Why is it that this has become popular?

00:09:23.760 Because it's not obvious at all why this is happening or what's happening with this group of people that has been termed by Eric Weinstein, this intellectual dark web.

00:09:34.500 And so I've been trying to think it through.

00:09:36.240 So I'll tell you what I think is happening and you can, maybe it's useful.

00:09:40.680 Because obviously here you are all too participating in whatever this is.

00:09:46.200 And it's certainly a discussion about ideas.

00:09:48.260 There's absolutely no doubt about that.

00:09:49.920 And hopefully about crucially important ideas as well.

00:09:53.040 So the question is why, one question is why in the world is a market opened up for this all of a sudden?

00:09:59.760 You know, and so I was thinking, one of the things, Dave interviewed Sam Harris about two or three weeks ago on his YouTube channel and his podcast.

00:10:11.360 And one of the things Sam said, he was talking about the difference between YouTube and the podcast world, say, and the classic media, especially TV.

00:10:20.880 And so TV is a really interesting medium.

00:10:23.660 You know, and it's been accused of dumbing people down.

00:10:27.020 And it actually hasn't, by the way.

00:10:28.760 The data are quite clear.

00:10:29.840 The television has made people more intelligent.

00:10:31.600 And I think the reason for that is that it's taken the people who would have been most deprived without television and given them something.

00:10:40.640 So imagine that your parents don't take care of you very well when you're a little kid.

00:10:44.880 And so you just have nothing to do.

00:10:46.480 You're just sitting in a room and you have nothing to do.

00:10:48.580 It's way better to have a TV than that.

00:10:50.820 And so TV was an educational tool.

00:10:53.820 And, you know, it might not have been the best educational tool imaginable, but it was a lot better than no educational tool at all.

00:11:02.620 And so I think it pulled up the bottom end a lot.

00:11:05.540 But the problem with TV, so Sam made this comment.

00:11:08.360 He said, you know, if you go on John Anderson on CNN and you want to have a discussion about something important, you've got seven minutes.

00:11:15.640 And then it'll affect a million people, say.

00:11:18.460 That's the top end.

00:11:19.420 And it's like, well, what can you discuss in seven minutes?

00:11:22.460 And the answer to that is, well, only something that you can discuss in seven minutes.

00:11:27.600 And so anything that would take longer to discuss than that turns into a parody or a soundbite or something like that.

00:11:34.280 And I've had quite a bit of experience with mainstream television now.

00:11:38.720 And it's really weird to go to a mainstream television studio because you get turned into processed content instantly.

00:11:46.800 Because the medium is so narrow band and so time-limited that everything is forced into the same strange shape.

00:11:57.140 And that shape is news of the second.

00:11:59.280 News of the second.

00:12:00.360 You know, there's no deep thought.

00:12:01.740 There's no time for letting things unfold.

00:12:05.200 And so it's possible that that's shaped our political discourse deeply in ways that we really don't understand.

00:12:13.940 Marshall McLuhan, who was a famous Canadian social commentator from the 1960s, he said,

00:12:21.640 The medium is the message.

00:12:23.700 And by that he meant that the technology shapes the discourse, right?

00:12:27.860 Is that it has a profound effect on what can be discussed and what can't be discussed merely because of the format.

00:12:35.120 And because television, the bandwidth for television was so expensive and so narrow that it forced everything through this tiny little channel.

00:12:44.180 I kind of stopped watching TV news about 25 years ago.

00:12:49.720 And the reason for that was that I noticed increasingly that when the journalists were covering politicians,

00:12:57.280 they had the politicians in the background talking with no sound.

00:13:01.040 And then the journalists were saying what the politicians said.

00:13:03.820 And I thought, oh, that's interesting.

00:13:05.560 I don't really want that kind of mediation.

00:13:07.560 But the politicians became an excuse for the journalists to have an opinion.

00:13:12.360 And that didn't seem to me to be very useful.

00:13:15.180 And it's far worse now than it was, inconceivably worse now than it was then.

00:13:20.340 Well, but now, so John Anderson gives you seven minutes and you've got a million people.

00:13:25.420 But Joe Rogan gives you three hours.

00:13:28.800 Right?

00:13:29.460 And, right.

00:13:30.940 Right.

00:13:31.860 Yeah.

00:13:33.520 Right.

00:13:34.140 So, so interesting.

00:13:35.860 Isn't it interesting that you're all applauding that?

00:13:38.320 You know, because you think, and no commercials.

00:13:41.000 That's right.

00:13:41.500 Well, that's the other thing.

00:13:42.540 Because, well, the other thing that TV, TV, TV really serves the commercial market.

00:13:47.700 Now, there's nothing wrong with serving a commercial market.

00:13:49.840 But the commercial pressure for TV, because the bandwidth is so expensive, the commercial pressure is completely, what would you, overwhelming.

00:13:58.980 The whole, the whole medium twists to serve the commercial market.

00:14:02.620 Whereas YouTube is basically free.

00:14:04.580 So, it frees you up from the demands, the instantaneous and continual demands of the commercial market.

00:14:12.540 And so, but, so, you know, I said, well, Joe Rogan gives you three hours.

00:14:15.460 And look, and all, a bunch of you applauded.

00:14:18.040 It's like, isn't that interesting that you're so happy for some reason about the extension of the format to three hours, which is really like a big chunk of time.

00:14:30.480 You're so happy with the extension of the forum that just a mention of it makes you applaud.

00:14:35.380 It's really something.

00:14:36.220 And so, it looks like we're, what we're doing, what we're, what we're doing is sort of, I think we're celebrating the dawn of a, a new educational medium.

00:14:44.380 I really do believe that.

00:14:45.640 Like, so one of the things that happened to me about a year and a half ago was that, like, I had put my YouTube, my, my class videos up on YouTube, eh?

00:14:54.740 Because I was curious.

00:14:55.660 It's like, well, why not record them and put them on YouTube?

00:14:58.860 It's like, it wasn't hard.

00:14:59.800 I mean, I used very primitive, well, very inexpensive technology.

00:15:05.780 It's not primitive.

00:15:06.460 I used an iPad and a good microphone.

00:15:08.420 And it's like, well, everyone has an iPad.

00:15:09.740 But it's not like that's primitive technology, man.

00:15:11.840 That's major league technology.

00:15:13.820 And so, but the production cost was very low and it was unmediated.

00:15:17.580 And, you know, and I'd done a little bit of work for public television in Canada.

00:15:21.340 So, I was a little bit familiar with the television world.

00:15:24.320 And there was a bit of a market for what I was doing in Ontario.

00:15:26.720 And that was quite interesting because they were high-level lectures.

00:15:29.800 So, I thought, oh, what the hell?

00:15:30.820 I'll throw all this stuff up on YouTube because, well, because I'm curious.

00:15:35.220 That was the real reason.

00:15:36.380 And I wanted to play with a new technology.

00:15:38.420 And the best way to learn a new technology is actually to use it, right?

00:15:41.160 So, I thought, oh, what, I'll put these up.

00:15:43.300 And so, I started putting up my videos in 2013.

00:15:47.660 And then by the beginning of 2016, in April, it hit a million views.

00:15:52.440 And I thought, huh.

00:15:54.140 Because I'm a quantitative guy.

00:15:56.780 I've done statistics for a long time.

00:15:58.580 And I've, I mean, psychology is an intense, a field that intensely uses statistics.

00:16:04.320 And so, I'm really interested in numbers.

00:16:05.920 And I hit a million views.

00:16:07.460 And I thought, okay, what exactly does that mean?

00:16:11.240 Like, if you publish a scientific paper and you get a thousand citations, you've, like,

00:16:16.780 hit, you've hit it out of the park, man.

00:16:19.120 That just, that's like one-tenth of one percent of scientific papers gives you a thousand citations.

00:16:23.460 And if you publish a book and you sell a million copies, it's like you're doing a football touchdown

00:16:28.400 dance in the hallway, right, where no one can see you, hopefully.

00:16:34.640 And a million of anything is a lot.

00:16:36.880 And I thought, okay, well, now I've got a million views on YouTube.

00:16:39.720 What does, what am I supposed to think about that?

00:16:41.920 Because we don't understand YouTube metrics.

00:16:43.940 What does it mean to have a million views?

00:16:45.920 It's a lot.

00:16:47.120 What does it signify?

00:16:48.340 How much influence do you have?

00:16:49.600 What difference is it making?

00:16:51.420 You know, when people were watching a fair chunk of the lectures, the average was 20 minutes.

00:16:56.040 It's a stupid statistic, the average.

00:16:57.780 You don't want that.

00:16:58.620 You want the typical viewing duration.

00:17:01.000 And that's not the average.

00:17:02.060 Because most people would click in for 10 seconds, right?

00:17:04.860 But some people are watching the whole thing.

00:17:07.440 It's like, okay, now I've got an audience.

00:17:10.100 It's a million people.

00:17:11.320 The only reason they're watching the videos is because they want to learn.

00:17:15.360 That's it, right?

00:17:16.120 There's no other reason because there's no credit given for it.

00:17:18.400 So it's the perfect audience if you're a university professor, because who else would you want

00:17:22.820 to talk to other than people who want to listen, right?

00:17:25.600 Otherwise, it's a lie.

00:17:27.160 You're lecturing to people who don't want to be there, and they don't want to be there.

00:17:30.320 It's like, that's just not helpful, but this is perfect.

00:17:33.660 And so I thought, okay, well, it's a million.

00:17:36.000 What the hell is this?

00:17:36.960 What is this YouTube thing?

00:17:38.200 Because I thought, it's a place, it's a repository for cute cat videos is kind of what

00:17:42.980 I thought about it.

00:17:44.040 And then I thought, well, wait a second, here's something cool.

00:17:50.180 So, you know, it was only about 400 years ago, 500 years ago, something approximating

00:17:54.540 that, that Gutenberg invented the movable type press, and right, all of a sudden, we

00:17:58.880 had books.

00:18:00.020 I mean, there were books before, but they were hand copied, and they were often on leather.

00:18:04.920 I mean, they were staggeringly expensive, right?

00:18:07.260 To have a library meant you were one rich person, and most people didn't have books, and it

00:18:11.340 didn't matter anyways, because they couldn't read.

00:18:13.440 So, but, but the printing press came along, and all of a sudden, you could multiply knowledge,

00:18:18.560 and everyone had access to it.

00:18:20.400 So that was a big deal, and that was a major deal.

00:18:23.520 I mean, it caused all sorts of revolutions, and it raised the average, well, the average

00:18:29.320 intelligence of people immensely.

00:18:30.900 But now, look, look what's happened, is all of a sudden, we're in a world where the spoken

00:18:36.480 word now has the same reach as the printed word.

00:18:41.520 That's never, ever happened before.

00:18:44.840 And so then you can think, so that's a major league revolution.

00:18:47.420 I thought, oh, I see that YouTube, that's a Gutenberg revolution.

00:18:50.940 That's not a repository for cute cat videos.

00:18:53.560 That's an absolutely transformative technological revolution.

00:18:57.840 So that's one revolution.

00:18:58.960 It's like the spoken word now has the reach of the written word, but it's cheaper to produce,

00:19:04.340 and it's faster.

00:19:05.760 And so it has more, it has advantages over the written word.

00:19:09.600 Because, like, if you're going to write a book, man, first of all, forget it, because

00:19:13.220 no one's going to buy your book.

00:19:15.160 And I mean, no publisher is going to buy your book, so it's impossible.

00:19:19.000 And then even if you do publish your book with a good publisher, which isn't going to

00:19:23.020 happen, the probability that anyone will buy it is basically zero.

00:19:26.860 So the barrier to books is unbelievably high.

00:19:30.640 And there's some utility in that, because it keeps out a lot of terrible books.

00:19:33.780 But the barrier on YouTube is, there's no barrier.

00:19:37.800 You can move from conception to publication in, like, one day.

00:19:42.980 And so that's absolutely, also, that's another technological revolution.

00:19:46.500 You have the permanence of print with the reach of print with no lag whatsoever and at no cost.

00:19:53.280 It's like, okay, that's really something.

00:19:55.500 And then there's another technological revolution that's been laid on top of that.

00:19:59.020 So, you know, with Rogan's podcast and YouTube, he has a pretty decent YouTube.

00:20:04.140 And I'm using Rogan because I think he's, in some sense, used the YouTube podcast combination

00:20:10.760 for long, large-scale, long-format intellectual discourse better than anyone else.

00:20:17.860 He has a big YouTube following, and, you know, he'll put a video up, and it can get 3 million

00:20:22.620 views.

00:20:23.480 You know, the top-end videos that he does get 3 million views.

00:20:26.220 But that pales in comparison to the podcasts.

00:20:29.180 The podcasts get 10 times that.

00:20:31.760 And so Rogan gets 100, the last time I talked to him, and this was like six months ago, so

00:20:36.540 it's probably more than this now.

00:20:38.340 He gets 150 million downloads a month.

00:20:42.220 It's approximately 1.5 billion downloads a year.

00:20:46.500 He's the most powerful interviewer that ever lived.

00:20:50.340 So it's, and I asked him that.

00:20:51.660 I said, what do you think?

00:20:52.360 Joe, you're the most powerful interviewer that ever lived.

00:20:54.400 What do you think about that?

00:20:55.300 He says, I don't ever think about it.

00:20:57.660 And, well, and it's understandable, because what do you think about that?

00:21:01.860 Who he doesn't, no one knows what to think about that.

00:21:03.760 How would, what would you think about that?

00:21:05.360 It's like, what's that supposed to mean?

00:21:07.260 It's like, he just does what he does, and he doesn't really think about it.

00:21:11.140 But, but see, one of the things that's happened with the podcast that's cool, and this

00:21:15.220 is transforming the book market at the moment, is that, this is the other part of the technological

00:21:19.640 revolution.

00:21:20.740 You can't read and drive.

00:21:23.360 You can't read and do dishes.

00:21:25.400 You can't, well, you can read and exercise, but not really.

00:21:27.920 You can't read and walk, but you can listen to podcasts, and you can do all those things.

00:21:32.120 And so what, what's, what that has also done is it's taken a technology that's, that's

00:21:37.200 essentially book-like, so, and we've already talked about that, technological transformation,

00:21:42.740 and it's transformed it into something that you can use in found time.

00:21:47.060 So it's like, it's like the audio podcast world has added an hour and a half to everyone's

00:21:53.060 day that they can do nothing but learn with.

00:21:56.000 And that's actually what people are doing.

00:21:57.760 Like, I see my graduate students, for example, who are highly literate people.

00:22:01.340 Many of them are listening to podcasts instead of reading, and of course, they turn up the

00:22:06.320 speed, so they can listen, because I don't know how fast you listen to a podcast or a

00:22:11.600 YouTube video.

00:22:12.200 I can, 1.5 seems to kind of top out for me, unless the speaker's very slow, because it

00:22:17.300 starts to get muffled after that.

00:22:18.680 But you can double the speed approximately with no real problem.

00:22:22.920 And so, and a lot of these younger people are listening to podcasts instead of listening

00:22:29.000 to music, and that's also really something, because music's been an unbelievably dominant

00:22:33.600 cultural force, partly because it's been distributed so widely for about 60 years, but

00:22:38.960 the audio world seems to be encroaching on that, and you can see this also happening in

00:22:43.180 the book publishing market.

00:22:44.760 So audible's become a real force, say, and the audio books have started to compete with

00:22:52.560 hardcover and paperback books in terms of pure volume of books sold.

00:22:56.180 So that means that people are listening to books now instead of reading them.

00:23:00.260 And then there's another interesting thing that's happening there.

00:23:02.740 It's like, maybe, like, you know, most people don't read much, and of the people who do read,

00:23:09.300 hardly anyone buys books.

00:23:11.580 So book buying is a very niche market.

00:23:14.940 But maybe that's because there's some barriers to reading.

00:23:18.420 You know, you have to be a very, very fluent reader to buy difficult non-fiction, generally

00:23:24.480 speaking, but maybe 10 times as many people can listen to difficult non-fiction as can

00:23:29.540 read it.

00:23:30.500 I mean, it might be, eh?

00:23:31.660 And if it's 10 times as many people, that's also a major technological revolution, because

00:23:36.820 it would mean that all of a sudden high-end intellectual material that was the province

00:23:41.000 of a very small minority of people has all of a sudden capable of reaching an audience

00:23:45.580 of maybe 10 times that.

00:23:46.860 And so I've been running all that through my head.

00:23:51.880 I said, okay, well, what's the nature of this revolution?

00:23:54.260 It's like four revolutions at the same time.

00:23:57.020 And so then I was just talking to Dave backstage, because we've been talking about this, you know,

00:24:02.080 this intellectual dark web idea, and that the tension that's developed, perhaps, we're

00:24:07.180 inside it, so it's hard to see it objectively.

00:24:09.200 But the tension that's developed between this new media, podcast, YouTube, let's say, and

00:24:15.680 the journalism that's taking place online as well plays a role in that, versus the classic

00:24:21.320 media, especially the television stations and so forth.

00:24:24.440 It's like YouTube offers absolutely everything that television offers, plus a bunch more.

00:24:31.280 So it has all the advantages of television and none of the disadvantages.

00:24:34.380 And then it offers immense bandwidth at no cost.

00:24:39.140 So I can't see how it can possibly not win completely.

00:24:45.100 And so I think that part of the reason that this, that you're all here, for example, and

00:24:51.260 that whatever this is, is happening, and that there's an emergent market for high-level intellectual

00:24:57.260 discourse, who the hell would have ever guessed that, is because the technology that underlies

00:25:03.360 YouTube and podcasts is so powerful, it's not even the content, you know, it's not the

00:25:08.240 fact that it's Dave Rubin, or Joe Rogan, or me, or Ben Shapiro, or any of the people who

00:25:12.120 seem to have, what would you say, harnessed this.

00:25:15.500 We were in the right place at the right time, in some sense, but the underlying technology

00:25:19.020 is such a monster that it's going to just change everything.

00:25:22.520 And so, wouldn't it be something if we're in an era now where masses of people are really

00:25:28.200 willing to engage in high-level intellectual and philosophical discourse?

00:25:31.580 And it kind of looks like that might be the case.

00:25:34.360 So that's...

00:25:35.460 Yeah, and I mean, who knows for how long this, the hunger for this has been developing, you

00:25:48.480 know, it could easily be for decades.

00:25:50.300 I think you saw a little bit of that starting maybe with talk radio, right?

00:25:54.340 Because talk radio was at least longer, longer format.

00:25:57.040 But it still didn't have the same massive advantages that YouTube and podcasts have, while the other

00:26:02.720 advantage, of course, they have is it's on demand, right?

00:26:05.800 You can access it whenever you want.

00:26:09.060 And so, that's a lot of technological revolutions all piled into one thing.

00:26:15.220 So, hopefully, hopefully, maybe this is the case.

00:26:17.680 Maybe this will make us all smarter.

00:26:19.120 I mean, it's possible.

00:26:21.320 So, it...

00:26:22.900 Because it was just shocking to me to be in Vancouver and to see...

00:26:28.540 It was so interesting participating with the audience because, you know, the thing that

00:26:33.140 I did with Harris was billed as kind of a debate, like combat in some sense.

00:26:38.020 It was...

00:26:38.400 Harris had his point and I had my point and one of us was going to win.

00:26:42.060 And neither of us were really actually interested in that, although that could have happened

00:26:47.100 and it might have been okay.

00:26:48.620 But what happened instead was that we actually had a discussion.

00:26:51.980 Harris is a smart guy and he's got his points, man.

00:26:54.980 And so, we actually had a discussion about what it was that he thought and what it was

00:26:59.820 that I thought.

00:27:00.780 And then we were trying to push what we both thought way further along.

00:27:06.020 And it's actually what we were doing.

00:27:07.740 It wasn't a game or anything like that.

00:27:09.440 And what was so interesting was the audience was 100% on board with that.

00:27:14.280 That that seemed to be carrying...

00:27:16.400 Because there's something going on that attracts people's interest in a forum like this, too.

00:27:20.640 There's something going on.

00:27:22.040 Now, what I think is going on is that everyone loves to participate in...

00:27:28.860 Well, I've called it the logos.

00:27:30.300 And so, the logos is the capacity of free and truthful speech to conquer chaos

00:27:38.780 and to further the generation of habitable order, right?

00:27:42.640 It's the manner in which we participate in creation itself.

00:27:45.360 I would say that's a religious take on it.

00:27:48.340 And I think it's extraordinarily accurate.

00:27:50.840 And I think that's what people are doing in a forum like this when it's working properly.

00:27:55.120 Is we're all here to see if we can expand our competence outward into what we don't know a little bit more.

00:28:01.180 And we can restructure what we do know so that we're more competent people.

00:28:04.920 And that I think that participating in that process is...

00:28:08.060 There isn't anything more gripping than that.

00:28:10.740 And there shouldn't be.

00:28:11.820 Because what else could you possibly do that would be better than to make yourself competent across a broader territory

00:28:19.680 and restructure the tools you already have at hand so that they're sharper and that they work better?

00:28:25.040 It's like, why would you be interested in doing anything other than that?

00:28:29.300 And then you see, well, people actually really are interested in it.

00:28:32.460 And then I think maybe some of the contempt that seems to have been generated...

00:28:37.800 Like, one of the things I've seen, the mainstream journalist types particularly, not all of them.

00:28:43.300 I'm not trying to paint them all with the same brush because it's not fair to do that.

00:28:48.280 There's lots of credible journalists.

00:28:49.560 But one of the things I have noticed, and I've noticed this more among TV journalists, I would say, than print journalists,

00:28:55.480 is that they have quite a bit of contempt for their audience.

00:28:58.680 You know, they think of their audience as stupid.

00:29:01.080 And then I think, well, why is that?

00:29:02.780 It's because it might be because the medium has made the audience stupid.

00:29:07.940 It's so...

00:29:08.700 Like, if I can only get your attention for six minutes, and that's at the absolute limit of...

00:29:14.740 You know, if I'm very influential, maybe I can get your attention for six minutes once every six months.

00:29:20.660 It's like, I'm not going to think much of your intelligence, you know, because I'm viewing you through an unbelievably narrow channel.

00:29:27.740 Whereas all of a sudden now, you can view people through this incredibly wide channel.

00:29:31.520 It's like, well, I can talk to you for 30 hours, right?

00:29:34.640 And so, that's a whole different issue.

00:29:36.640 We can go into things way more deeply as a consequence of that.

00:29:39.820 And the Audible people talked to me this week, and they said that...

00:29:43.360 Because they're experimenting with the audio format now, too.

00:29:45.880 And they said that people seem to like...

00:29:47.560 The minimum chunk that people want is nine hours.

00:29:51.720 Right?

00:29:52.260 Well, and then look at what's happening on venues like Netflix.

00:29:56.640 It's like, turns out you guys don't want half-hour sitcoms.

00:29:59.340 You want 40-hour, unbelievably complicated dramas, right?

00:30:05.020 Right.

00:30:06.260 Right.

00:30:07.540 Well, and, you know, people have done content analysis of the development of TV shows across time.

00:30:14.740 And this has really accelerated in the last four or five years.

00:30:17.820 So, television shows are way more complex than they used to be, right?

00:30:23.440 Way more characters, way more plot lines, way more complicated plot lines,

00:30:27.520 developing across very long spans of time.

00:30:31.080 And people seem to absolutely love that.

00:30:33.280 I mean, how many of you have binge-watched a whole series?

00:30:38.760 Yeah, yeah.

00:30:39.680 So, that can be, well, a minimum of a dozen hours, something like that.

00:30:45.860 And the more twisty the plot lines, and the more complexly layered the characterizations,

00:30:51.420 all of that, the better.

00:30:52.300 That's pretty interesting, too, because it starts to mean that the deep narratives that

00:30:59.120 are being produced on places like Netflix, also freed of the bandwidth problem, you know,

00:31:04.980 they're starting to approach the same complexity as great literature.

00:31:08.980 So, that's cool.

00:31:10.080 So, it could easily be that we're actually smarter than we think.

00:31:13.960 You know, we're smarter than we've revealed ourselves to be through our previous technology.

00:31:19.200 And so, that would be really cool.

00:31:21.980 And maybe we could have a sophisticated discourse over the next 10 years.

00:31:26.740 And I think maybe that's what all of this is.

00:31:29.520 I think it's the beginning of widespread sophisticated discourse that's mediated by this exceptional technology.

00:31:37.040 And so, well, wouldn't that be something?

00:31:40.060 That would be so cool if it was true.

00:31:41.660 And it looks like it.

00:31:42.500 It's like, you know, this is a big audience for something like this.

00:31:46.620 3,000 people, that's a lot of people.

00:31:49.720 And so, and the forums in Dublin and London that I'm going,

00:31:57.980 because I'm doing the last two talks with Sam Harris, one in Dublin and one in London,

00:32:01.980 they're 5,000 expandable to 10,000.

00:32:05.140 So, you know, I don't know how far we'll go into, I think we sold about 5,000 seats in Dublin.

00:32:09.860 I don't know what that'll expand to.

00:32:11.800 Maybe by the time the talks occur, that would be on the 14th of July.

00:32:15.020 But there's obviously, there's obviously a massive market for this.

00:32:20.620 So, it's so interesting and it looks like it's so good.

00:32:24.220 It might be that people are way more sophisticated than we think.

00:32:28.520 And that we could elevate our political and our philosophical discourse way above what we're accustomed to.

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00:35:28.440 So, I'm going to start with, I'm going to move now to discuss rule one in 12 Rules for Life, and I'm, I'm, it's a rule I've hit multiple times because I've been working on it a lot, but it's also, there's things about the way that I've been conceptualizing this rule that have actually changed as a consequence of the discussion that I had with Harris.

00:35:52.900 So, I'm going to twist some of that into this tonight.

00:35:55.980 So, in 12 Rules, in the book, the most, the chapter that's received the most satirical attention, let's see, and the most vicious criticism in some sense, is the first chapter, which kind of surprised me.

00:36:12.780 I thought the fifth chapter was going to be the one that would do me in, and that's the one that's don't let your children do anything that makes you dislike them.

00:36:20.020 I figured I was dead in the water for, for publishing that, because, well, first of all, I've made the claim that children can be dislikable, which is self-evidently true, but not something you're ever supposed to say.

00:36:32.100 And then, the other thing that's completely taboo about that title is that you could be a parent and not like your children, which is also obviously true, but another thing that you're not supposed to say.

00:36:47.740 So, I thought the combination of those two would be just dead, deadly, but I got a whole pass for Rule 5, but the whole lobster thing, man, people have been up in arms about that.

00:37:00.160 So, and I didn't expect that at all, but I do understand why, I do understand why, I think, and talking to you, Harris, made it even clearer.

00:37:08.840 So, I'm going to lay out the underpinnings of Rule 1, and tell you, first of all, why I wrote it the way that I did write it.

00:37:16.040 See, I've been trying to figure out what our fundamental political debate is about.

00:37:21.840 Now, one of the things that psychologists have learned in the last 10 years or so, we sorted out the space to describe personality about 30 years ago.

00:37:31.740 It started in the early 1960s, but we had a pretty stable model of personality by the early 1990s.

00:37:37.760 And so, the model is the standard big five personality model.

00:37:41.820 Extroversion, it's a positive emotion dimension.

00:37:44.580 Neuroticism, it's a measure of sensitivity to negative emotion, especially anxiety and emotional pain.

00:37:49.960 Agreeableness, which seems to be on the pro-agreeable side, sort of compassion and politeness, and on the less agreeable side, sort of toughness and bluntness.

00:37:58.460 That's conscientiousness, that's dutifulness, industriousness, and orderliness, and openness to experience, which looks like a creativity dimension.

00:38:07.580 Now, those dimensions were extracted out from large-scale surveys using blunt force statistics.

00:38:15.120 No theory, except the only theory that underlies the big five is the idea that the structure of personality might be encapsulated in language, right?

00:38:25.200 That personality is so important that we've actually built it into our linguistic system.

00:38:29.400 So, if you analyze the language, you can extract out the dimensions of personality.

00:38:33.040 That was the only theory.

00:38:34.460 And then it was brute force statistics that did the extraction of the dimensions.

00:38:38.380 And then, so, and that was all sorted out by about 1992, 1993.

00:38:42.360 And so, and most psychologists, we were debating still about the precise details of the big five model, but most people accept the notion that insofar as you can measure personality with questionnaires, then it has approximately a five-dimensional structure.

00:39:02.060 And so, maybe it's six, maybe it's seven, but it's certainly at least five.

00:39:08.160 And then, once we got that sorted out, we could look at other issues like, well, were there personality differences between men and women?

00:39:15.200 And there are.

00:39:16.140 And then we could decide whether those were biological or cultural.

00:39:19.620 And they're both, but there's certainly a heavy biological influence.

00:39:23.380 And we could also start looking at political belief.

00:39:26.420 And so, there's been a burgeoning field, probably about 10 years in development now, showing that you vote your temperament.

00:39:34.540 Now, it's quite interesting, because what you think is you look at the facts, and then you have a rational discussion with yourself, and you come to your reasoned conclusions, and that's why you're a Republican or a Democrat, let's say.

00:39:46.540 But it doesn't really look like that, because being a Republican is actually heritable, so it's under biological influence, which is quite interesting, same with being a Democrat.

00:39:55.360 And it's also very tightly associated with your temperament, not perfectly, and it's not like you don't think about things politically, but you see the thing about your temperament is it tends to serve as a screen for the facts.

00:40:10.020 So, you think, well, I look at the facts, and I derive my conclusions, but what you don't take into account is, well, where do you look for the facts, right?

00:40:19.640 Because you just don't look randomly everywhere for facts, you have your places to go for facts, and that sort of biases what facts you'll see.

00:40:28.100 And then, something in you highlights certain facts as worthy of your attention and others as not, and that's your temperament.

00:40:35.240 So, it's really hard to get access to the facts independently of your temperament.

00:40:40.520 And your temperament basically provides you with a quick and dirty way of interacting with the world.

00:40:45.520 So, like, if you're extroverted, for example, you're going to exploit the world insofar as the world is social, and you're a social being.

00:40:53.080 And if you're agreeable, then you're going to orient your life around relationships.

00:40:56.720 And if you're conscientiousness, if you're conscientious, then you're going to orient your life around duty.

00:41:01.120 And if you're open and creative, then you're going to organize your life around entrepreneurial and creative activity.

00:41:07.700 And so, those are your niches.

00:41:09.600 And it's not exactly that that's your choice, although that enters into it.

00:41:14.260 It's like that's who you are.

00:41:16.520 And if you have children, especially if you have a couple of them, you can see how different their temperaments are right from very, very early.

00:41:24.960 You can really see it, I think, right away, but you can certainly see it by six months.

00:41:28.980 So, anyways, it turns out that your political choices are very heavily influenced by your temperament.

00:41:36.040 And so, this is how it works.

00:41:37.440 So, if you're liberal, you're likely to be high in trait openness, which is the creativity dimension, but low in trait conscientiousness.

00:41:45.900 And so, that's industriousness and orderliness.

00:41:48.420 And if you're conservative, it's the reverse.

00:41:50.320 You tend to be high in conscientiousness and low in openness.

00:41:54.140 And then that has occupational significance.

00:41:57.800 So, what that means is the liberals tend to be the creative types.

00:42:02.420 Artistic, writers, you know, the whole artistic domain.

00:42:06.220 Plus, they tend to be the entrepreneurs.

00:42:09.240 Whereas the conservative types tend to be managers and administrators.

00:42:13.160 And so, there's an interesting kind of economic rule that goes along with that, which I think everyone should think about for like about ten years.

00:42:19.520 Which is that you, conservatives and liberals actually need each other in an economic sense.

00:42:25.600 Because the liberals think up all the new companies, but they're too scatterbrained to run them.

00:42:30.980 Right, exactly.

00:42:32.220 And the conservatives can really run something like mad once they know what it is, but they can't think up anything new to run.

00:42:38.600 So, liberals start companies and conservatives run them.

00:42:43.200 So, that's quite it.

00:42:44.640 And so, those are different niches in some sense, right?

00:42:47.180 So, the liberals are the people in some sense who are out on the fringe.

00:42:51.220 And they're dealing with new ideas continually.

00:42:55.160 And the fact that they're low in conscientiousness is actually somewhat of a plus in that domain.

00:42:59.340 Because one of the things that characterizes entrepreneurs is that as they're pursuing their new technology, they have to be willing to break rules.

00:43:07.920 Because, you know, if you're doing something new, you can't do it the old way.

00:43:11.920 But if you're a conscientious person, dutiful, industrious, and orderly, then it's really going to bother you to break rules.

00:43:18.440 Because you think those damn rules are there for a reason.

00:43:20.460 Which they are.

00:43:22.660 And so, you should have a good reason for breaking them, right?

00:43:25.400 But for an entrepreneurial type, it's like, well, I need to get this done.

00:43:29.160 And I'm pursuing what I'm interested in.

00:43:30.600 The stupid rules can wait.

00:43:32.480 And then you need, of course, you need the conservative types to kind of mop up behind you and make sure that you implement things properly.

00:43:38.480 So, that's worth knowing.

00:43:39.840 Because if you're really liberal, and, you know, you see the world through that lens, you still might think, yeah, yeah, but we need these damn annoying conservatives.

00:43:46.640 Because we would never be able to implement something.

00:43:49.180 We'd never get something running stably.

00:43:51.580 We'd never have anyone to pay attention to the details, the painful details, if we didn't have conservatives.

00:43:57.860 And the conservatives need to think, well, yeah, you know, it's really good to do things the tried and true way, and by the book, and so forth.

00:44:04.680 And in a disciplined and militaristic, say, patriotic, orderly manner.

00:44:09.380 But now and then, we're going down the wrong path in a very efficient way.

00:44:13.420 And we need someone to, well, that happens a lot, man.

00:44:16.000 That happens a lot.

00:44:17.200 Happened to Japan, right?

00:44:18.560 Because Japan was unbelievably on the ascendancy up till the 80s, and they ossified, and they don't have a very entrepreneurial culture.

00:44:26.120 I mean, the Japanese are doing fine, but they don't have a very entrepreneurial culture.

00:44:30.360 You know, and one of the things you Americans have got brilliantly, and I don't really know how you managed it,

00:44:36.080 was that, you know, the managerial and administrative types can run corporations,

00:44:42.340 but you let creative people knock the corporations away when they're no longer useful and produce a new one.

00:44:48.880 And so that's painful for everyone, right?

00:44:50.940 Especially the people in the old corporations, but it's absolutely necessary.

00:44:55.460 So then you think there's a fundamental tension there, right?

00:44:58.340 A fundamental tension that's never going to go away.

00:45:00.700 And that tension is between old structures and their utility, and new structures and their necessity.

00:45:09.280 So the liberals are always clamoring about new structures and their necessity,

00:45:13.500 and the conservatives are always clamoring about how we need to preserve the old tradition.

00:45:18.380 And what's horrible about that is they're both absolutely right.

00:45:22.820 And so here's another way of thinking about it.

00:45:26.000 It's like, so there's an intractable problem here.

00:45:29.120 It will never go away.

00:45:30.180 And the problem is, you need structures to orient you in the world,

00:45:35.800 but the structures become old and out of date, and they need to be updated and sometimes abolished.

00:45:41.920 And so then the question is, when do you preserve, and when do you transform?

00:45:46.160 And the answer to that is, you don't know, and you never will.

00:45:50.360 And the reason for that is that, well, this is the big problem.

00:45:54.420 So you don't know, and you never will, and the answer is, why?

00:45:59.580 Or the question is, why is that?

00:46:01.360 Why can't you solve this problem?

00:46:03.140 And the answer is, well, because the environment keeps shifting on you, unpredictably.

00:46:09.200 Here's a good example.

00:46:10.440 Try to predict the stock market.

00:46:12.880 It's like, good luck, you can't.

00:46:15.160 You can't.

00:46:15.780 Actually, if you do random selection, that's about as good as you can do.

00:46:21.560 So this has been tested over and over.

00:46:23.420 So like if you take, say you take a cohort of money managers, money managers, and you look at how they do in terms of stock market investment over a five-year period,

00:46:35.780 you find that if a random selection process will beat them on average, money managers do worse than random on average.

00:46:42.940 So, and the reason for that is because the stock market is actually unpredictable.

00:46:49.020 And the reason for that is that even if you got an edge and you could predict it for like a minute or let's say an hour,

00:46:57.220 someone is going to figure out that you're predicting it and they're going to change their behavior and that'll screw up your prediction model immediately.

00:47:02.880 So the stock market is twisting around and moving.

00:47:06.320 And the reason I'm using it as an example is because it's a good analog of the environment as such.

00:47:11.000 The environment's unpredictable, fundamentally.

00:47:13.680 And you know that.

00:47:14.620 You all know that because you can have a good plan and you can be laying it out and something can come along and broadside you, right?

00:47:22.660 Something you didn't expect.

00:47:23.940 You'll get ill.

00:47:24.680 Your family member will get ill.

00:47:26.460 You know, your boss will turn out to be a psychopath.

00:47:29.380 Someone that you have a relationship with will betray you.

00:47:32.260 Like things are coming up in life or there'll be a radical political event that flips everything upside down or you just have no idea.

00:47:40.660 And so you can't predict the environment perfectly and it's shifting around.

00:47:46.360 And so what that means is you can never tell when the structure that you're using needs to be preserved and when it needs to be updated.

00:47:53.240 It's like, should I preserve this?

00:47:55.060 Should I continue what I'm doing?

00:47:56.740 Or should I change it?

00:47:58.120 It's like, you've been in that agonizing position.

00:48:01.120 When you want to change partners, let's say, when you want to change your educational pathway, when you want to change your career, should I keep doing what I'm doing?

00:48:10.020 Or should I do something new and better?

00:48:12.660 It's like, you don't know?

00:48:14.880 You don't know.

00:48:16.080 So how do you solve the problem?

00:48:17.260 You think.

00:48:20.900 So that's why you have to think.

00:48:23.260 Because you might think, well, why do you have to think?

00:48:25.880 Well, you have to think because what you're already thinking isn't good enough.

00:48:29.580 Because if what you already knew was good enough, you'd never have to think.

00:48:33.180 You could just be who you were and you'd run that out like a clock and everything would work out fine for you.

00:48:38.900 It's like, that doesn't work at all.

00:48:40.160 You're thinking all the time.

00:48:41.540 And what are you thinking about usually?

00:48:43.380 You're usually thinking about problems.

00:48:45.020 And the reason for that is because you have problems.

00:48:48.920 Right.

00:48:49.380 And the reason for that is you can't predict everything.

00:48:51.820 So you've got a problem.

00:48:53.160 Okay.

00:48:53.440 So we've got to think.

00:48:54.820 So then the next question is, how do we think?

00:48:59.760 And the answer to that is, you think badly.

00:49:02.740 And so do you.

00:49:03.440 And so do you.

00:49:04.040 And so do I.

00:49:05.180 And the reason for that is, well, how could you not think badly?

00:49:08.840 First of all, things are way more complicated than you are smart.

00:49:12.880 So that's a massive problem.

00:49:15.780 And you know that, right?

00:49:17.540 It's like, it's obvious, man.

00:49:19.120 And it doesn't really matter how smart you are.

00:49:21.040 You still have that problem.

00:49:22.560 But it's worse, too, because you're biased, partly by your temperament, partly by your blindness,

00:49:28.920 partly by your malevolence, partly by your stupidity, partly by your ignorance.

00:49:33.220 Like, you've got major cognitive problems, man.

00:49:36.380 Like, they just stack up, right?

00:49:38.640 So even if you can't.

00:49:40.920 And this is also assuming that you know how to think.

00:49:44.320 And you probably don't.

00:49:45.340 Because thinking is actually really hard.

00:49:47.120 So to think something through, it's very rare to see someone who can do this.

00:49:52.020 If you have a complex problem and you want to think it through, you have to really define

00:49:58.740 what the problem is.

00:49:59.780 And so that might mean you have to define it six or seven ways.

00:50:02.980 And those ways will contradict one another.

00:50:05.340 Having one opinion about some complex thing that you're trying to think through isn't thinking

00:50:09.420 at all.

00:50:10.320 It's just the application of your assumptions.

00:50:12.940 To think, you have to take six different stances on the same thing.

00:50:18.140 And then you have to have a fight between those, and you have to do that internally.

00:50:21.920 And man, it takes a long time to train someone to do that.

00:50:25.460 And even if you do train them, they can usually only do it within the domain that they're trained

00:50:30.380 in.

00:50:31.140 And most people aren't trained to do that, and so most of us can't think.

00:50:37.580 So, not by ourselves.

00:50:39.500 That's the crucial issue.

00:50:40.760 Not by ourselves.

00:50:42.940 So, then the question is, well, then how do we think?

00:50:45.980 And the answer to that is, by talking.

00:50:49.740 And that's what made me a free speech advocate.

00:50:52.900 You see, because that's how we think.

00:50:56.440 So, you know...

00:50:57.720 Okay, so you can think about this technically first.

00:51:07.280 Like, I know you can think in images, and some people do, but a lot of the way we do

00:51:12.920 we think is in words.

00:51:14.680 We think, well, how did we learn the words?

00:51:17.020 Well, obviously, by speaking.

00:51:19.960 Right?

00:51:20.220 And you don't just sit in your crib and babble to yourself.

00:51:24.140 You learn language by communicating with other people.

00:51:26.500 So, what that means is the very tools that you use to think, if you're just thinking, are

00:51:32.800 still social, right?

00:51:34.040 Because they're derived from social interaction.

00:51:37.520 So, the tools that you use to think, even as an individual, are social tools.

00:51:42.680 So, even when you're thinking that you think by yourself, you're not.

00:51:47.920 But even more to the point, look, if you have a family, a family is a thinking unit.

00:51:56.760 Okay, so how?

00:51:58.140 Well, you're always talking to each other.

00:52:00.740 Now, verbally and non-verbally.

00:52:02.920 And you're jostling.

00:52:04.640 Right?

00:52:04.820 So, you imagine that the family is, it's like a group of sailors that are trying to

00:52:09.160 figure out how to determine how the ship is going to progress across the stormy seas.

00:52:15.360 Right?

00:52:15.720 And everyone is talking to each other to determine how the navigation is going to go.

00:52:21.500 And the talking's intense.

00:52:23.140 Some of it's just the sharing of ideas.

00:52:24.980 But a lot of it's arguing and fighting.

00:52:26.840 It's like, I want to do this.

00:52:27.960 No, I want to do this.

00:52:28.880 No, I want to do this.

00:52:29.820 Like, it's contentious.

00:52:31.540 You know, and maybe you're not so good at it and one person's voice always dominates

00:52:35.480 and it's a bit of a tyranny, which is a bad idea.

00:52:38.060 It's not a good long-term stable solution for your family.

00:52:41.440 So, what happens is that everybody voices their opinion, if it's working out.

00:52:47.440 And as a consequence of voicing those diverse opinions, then you come to some sort of consensus

00:52:53.660 and you assume that the consensus is a better arrangement than anything you might have come up with

00:52:58.960 on your own.

00:52:59.820 Better because, well, because more people had input.

00:53:03.680 Right?

00:53:03.940 So, that's good because they can take you away from your biases.

00:53:07.280 Right?

00:53:07.600 So, you want to have people around you who aren't the same as you in case your stupid bias doesn't

00:53:12.160 work in this situation.

00:53:13.480 Because there's places where your bias is going to work, but there's places where it's not

00:53:16.940 going to work at all.

00:53:18.240 So, like, if you're the entrepreneurial type and you have to make conscientious, dutiful,

00:53:22.720 and orderly decisions, you're not the person to be thinking about those.

00:53:26.560 You need someone that you don't even want to talk to to help you with that.

00:53:30.580 So, you put together a family unit, say, and everybody's communicating, and hopefully what

00:53:37.920 comes out of that communication, if it's truthful communication, and everyone is engaged in

00:53:44.020 it with an eye to making things better, let's say, what emerges out of that is a pathway that's

00:53:50.120 better than any of the pathways that any of the individuals would have come up with had

00:53:53.620 they been on their own.

00:53:54.820 And that's kind of self-evident, because why the hell would you have a family otherwise?

00:53:59.660 Like, if it's a worse solution than being alone, then why bother with it?

00:54:04.220 So, and it isn't.

00:54:05.260 I mean, and the data on that are pretty clear.

00:54:07.620 You know, it's, for example, people who are in long-term relationships do better, generally

00:54:13.460 speaking, than people who are single.

00:54:14.880 Now, that's partly because the people who are single, some of the people who are single,

00:54:18.980 are sick in many ways, and that's making it difficult for them to find a partner.

00:54:23.640 So, you know, it's a two-way issue, but it still does seem better for people to be in

00:54:28.340 a relationship, which is kind of why most of us are searching for a relationship, right?

00:54:33.760 And usually it's medium to long-term relationship.

00:54:37.100 And then you see in that dyadic interaction, the same thing.

00:54:41.320 So, I'll tell you a little story.

00:54:42.760 This is a very cool idea.

00:54:44.040 I'll go lateral here for a minute and deeper, because I want to show you how some of this has

00:54:48.740 a metaphorical underpinning as well, because I'm trying to also make the case that the

00:54:55.260 truth that you express in speech is the thinking that redeems pathological structures and it

00:55:01.600 stretches us farther into the unknown.

00:55:03.500 It's a really, really important, I would say, that's actually, that idea has been encapsulated

00:55:08.620 in our deepest stories.

00:55:10.940 So, let me give you an example.

00:55:12.300 In ways we don't even understand, it's encapsulated so deeply that we don't even know we've done

00:55:17.560 it.

00:55:18.360 And so, and the stories that I'm thinking about are at the base of our culture, because

00:55:21.800 our culture is predicated on the idea that you're actually a locus of invaluable communicative

00:55:27.980 capacity.

00:55:29.080 And that's why you, that's why, that's why our society is grounded in respect for your

00:55:35.000 sovereignty as an individual.

00:55:36.760 It's a very, very deep fundamental idea.

00:55:39.460 I had this friend who went to Sweden to get married.

00:55:42.160 And in the marriage ceremony, it was a Christian marriage ceremony, the bride and the groom

00:55:47.720 had to hold a candle above both of them, right, while they were taking their vows.

00:55:53.220 You think, okay, well, what the hell's going on there exactly?

00:55:56.380 So, it's a dramatic ritual, right?

00:55:58.660 It's like a play in some sense.

00:56:01.720 It's even like the things that kids do when they're pretending.

00:56:04.960 It's a play.

00:56:05.560 Well, what does the candle represent?

00:56:06.760 Well, it represents the same thing that the candle represents if you put it on a Christmas

00:56:10.700 tree.

00:56:11.640 Now, you have a Christmas tree at the darkest time of the year, right?

00:56:14.920 Because that's around December 21st.

00:56:17.020 And so, the light needs to come back at the darkest possible time.

00:56:20.940 And so, the tree signifies, the tree with the lights on it, that's what it signifies.

00:56:24.680 It signifies the re-emergence of illumination in the darkness.

00:56:27.900 And illumination is associated with light.

00:56:30.340 And so, the light is the candle.

00:56:31.640 And the candle is the thing that you hold above both people in a marital relationship as the

00:56:38.420 value to which they both bow.

00:56:40.360 Because you might say, well, who's subordinate to who in a marriage?

00:56:43.760 You can have a big fight about that.

00:56:45.100 Well, if it's a patriarchal marriage, then the man's in control.

00:56:48.300 And if it's a matriarchal situation, then the woman's in control.

00:56:51.220 But someone has to be in control, or something has to be in control.

00:56:54.300 It's like, no, not necessarily.

00:56:57.580 It could be a process that you're both engaged in, that you're both subordinate to.

00:57:05.180 And that's what that ceremony represents.

00:57:08.700 It's the idea is, no, no, you're both subordinate to the principle of illumination.

00:57:13.100 It's like, yes, that's what you want to be subordinate to.

00:57:15.900 That's for sure.

00:57:16.620 So, it isn't that I have to abide by what you want.

00:57:20.940 And it's not that you have to abide by what I want.

00:57:24.100 It's that both of us should be oriented towards the future, the positive future.

00:57:29.600 And then both of us should be telling the truth.

00:57:32.420 And then that'll produce a kind of dialogue.

00:57:34.840 And we're both going to abide by the consequence of that dialogue.

00:57:38.660 So, we're subordinate to this higher order principle of illumination.

00:57:42.320 Now, because I said already this was a Christian ceremony,

00:57:45.620 the illuminated candle was assimilated to the idea of Christ.

00:57:49.480 And so, the notion there, and this is an extraordinary old notion.

00:57:52.240 It's the notion of the sacrality of marriage.

00:57:55.980 And so, the idea there is that the principle of illumination

00:57:59.800 is what unites a man and woman in a proper relationship.

00:58:03.640 And so, and the principle of illumination is associated symbolically with the idea of Christ.

00:58:09.200 And so, then the question is, well, then this is where this gets insanely complicated.

00:58:13.980 It's very, very difficult to lay out.

00:58:15.420 So, then what is that superordinate principle as it's encapsulated in that symbolic structure?

00:58:22.560 Okay.

00:58:22.860 So, it's not illumination as a mere verbal abstraction.

00:58:29.420 Okay.

00:58:29.700 So, it's not just something that's abstract.

00:58:31.980 It's something that you have to act out.

00:58:33.800 So, it's not only that we've formulated this relationship that puts us both,

00:58:40.020 what, it subordinates us both to the truth.

00:58:42.620 It isn't that we're only supposed to speak and think the truth.

00:58:46.400 It's that we're supposed to act it out.

00:58:48.640 And so, that's the idea that the word should be made flesh.

00:58:52.660 That's what that idea means, that it has to be acted out.

00:58:55.520 And so, the symbolic reference for Christ in the Christian system that, at least in part,

00:59:02.660 underlies our culture is the idea that the truth needs to be embodied in action.

00:59:08.720 Embodied in action.

00:59:10.100 That's right.

00:59:10.680 And that's what you're supposed to be subordinate to.

00:59:13.500 And that's the principle that revitalizes and unifies.

00:59:18.960 So, that's that.

00:59:19.620 So, that's that set of ideas.

00:59:21.800 Okay, so now, back to the idea of free speech.

00:59:27.920 So, the reason that free speech is an inviolable responsibility,

00:59:37.060 we always think about it as a right.

00:59:39.420 It's like, it's not the right way to think about it.

00:59:41.260 It's actually a responsibility.

00:59:42.920 You have the right to free speech because we need you to speak properly.

00:59:46.800 Because if you don't speak properly, then you can't set the world right.

00:59:50.060 And we lose your perspective, and that's a very bad thing.

00:59:53.300 And so, you have the right to free speech so that you can adopt the responsibility to speak freely and truly

00:59:58.080 so that you can set things in order and we can hear what you have to say.

01:00:01.120 And that's really how it's laid out.

01:00:02.940 So, and the reason that we need free speech is because it's through free speech that we think,

01:00:10.840 because we can't think on our own.

01:00:12.180 And we need to think because we can't update our traditions and our structures

01:00:16.360 and we can't transform ourselves when we're necessary unless we can think.

01:00:21.780 And so, that means that unless we have free speech,

01:00:24.940 then the process by which we stop our structures from degenerating,

01:00:29.500 and we don't want them to degenerate.

01:00:32.620 It's a bad thing, right?

01:00:34.600 Because they can rigidify and become tyrannical,

01:00:37.520 and God, that's horrible,

01:00:38.800 or they can dissolve and disappear,

01:00:41.180 in which case, what have you got?

01:00:42.980 You've got nothing.

01:00:43.720 You've got nihilism.

01:00:44.800 You've got hopelessness.

01:00:45.880 You've got aimlessness.

01:00:47.560 You've got the suffering of life, but no purpose.

01:00:50.520 Well, that's no good.

01:00:51.540 No one can live.

01:00:52.160 We can't live with those two extremes.

01:00:54.400 We can't live in the tyrannical extreme

01:00:56.260 when it's everything is structure,

01:00:58.680 and nothing gets too updated.

01:01:00.000 It gets old and dead and kills everything.

01:01:03.040 And we can't live with the dissolution of structure either,

01:01:05.480 because then we have nothing.

01:01:06.580 And so we have to keep the structure alive.

01:01:09.800 And the way we keep the structure alive

01:01:11.500 is by talking about it.

01:01:13.640 But we have to talk about it properly.

01:01:15.340 We have to talk about it like civilized,

01:01:18.440 intelligent, committed citizens

01:01:21.460 who take the responsibility

01:01:23.620 that goes along with individual sovereignty

01:01:26.100 as if it's the most important thing there is.

01:01:29.460 Because it is.

01:01:30.500 And so maybe that's why it's so good

01:01:40.700 that we're engaging in this sort of dialogue

01:01:42.380 and that the forum for that has started to expand.

01:01:46.460 Because, you know, right now,

01:01:47.920 there's any amount of political pathology

01:01:51.220 tormenting our culture, I would say,

01:01:53.560 both on the left and on the right.

01:01:54.940 And it's destabilizing us.

01:01:56.280 And, you know, the left pathology

01:01:58.100 tilts towards chaos and nihilism.

01:02:00.220 And the right pathology

01:02:02.180 tilts towards tyrannical order.

01:02:04.880 And we've had experiences of those

01:02:07.600 recently enough, we might think,

01:02:10.040 let's say throughout the 20th century,

01:02:11.760 so that we might have learned our lesson

01:02:13.780 and figured out that if we could negotiate

01:02:16.000 between those two extremes,

01:02:17.940 wouldn't that be much better for everyone?

01:02:20.140 And then, of course, the question there is,

01:02:23.820 do you want things to be much better for everyone?

01:02:27.360 You know, and you might think,

01:02:28.260 well, obviously the answer to that is yes.

01:02:30.460 It's like, it's not so obvious, right?

01:02:32.600 You know perfectly well,

01:02:33.940 if you sit on the edge of your bed

01:02:35.820 and you have a little meditative,

01:02:38.100 what, discourse with yourself,

01:02:39.920 discussion with yourself,

01:02:40.860 that your motivations are far from pure.

01:02:43.200 And the probability is that some of the time

01:02:45.600 that you're aiming down and not up

01:02:47.220 for whatever purposes you might have,

01:02:49.220 revenge or anger or hostility or trauma

01:02:52.220 or resentment or whatever it is,

01:02:54.940 whatever chip you're carrying on your shoulder,

01:02:57.380 whatever way you feel victimized

01:02:59.400 by your unfortunate circumstances.

01:03:01.700 And they are unfortunate, right?

01:03:03.760 Let's make no mistake about that.

01:03:05.920 You know, when people consider themselves victimized,

01:03:08.500 it's often because, well,

01:03:10.480 life is extraordinarily difficult

01:03:12.020 and tragedy strikes everyone

01:03:14.140 and we're often betrayed

01:03:15.700 and we're subject to malevolence

01:03:17.360 and it's no bloody wonder

01:03:18.300 that we wander around with chips on our shoulder,

01:03:20.320 but it isn't helpful at all.

01:03:22.900 And so that's why the rule in 12 rules for life

01:03:26.640 is, well, twofold.

01:03:28.840 It's to stand up straight with your shoulders back

01:03:31.640 because that is an injunction

01:03:33.800 to adopting a certain, what would you say,

01:03:37.160 physical stance towards the world

01:03:38.800 that at least in principle

01:03:40.900 can undergird this psychological stance

01:03:43.660 that I described.

01:03:44.480 It's like, well, you have to be willing

01:03:46.320 to take the whole force of the world

01:03:47.960 onto yourself in some sense

01:03:49.800 and it's a catastrophe.

01:03:52.200 But if you don't take it on,

01:03:53.800 then you can't solve the damn problem.

01:03:55.800 And you don't do that by crouching and hiding

01:03:57.860 and you don't do that by adopting

01:03:59.320 an aggressive stance.

01:04:00.900 Like, there are times when those things are useful,

01:04:03.060 but fundamentally that's not it.

01:04:05.220 Fundamentally, you open yourself up to the world, right?

01:04:07.420 And that's what this stance is,

01:04:09.420 is to put your shoulders back

01:04:10.720 because it's to expose yourself in some sense

01:04:14.680 to the full force of the world.

01:04:16.660 You know, and the chapter's been criticized

01:04:18.000 because I made a case for hierarchies, I said,

01:04:21.040 which is a classic conservative case.

01:04:23.260 And although I wasn't trying to say

01:04:25.060 that hierarchies are immutable

01:04:27.460 or appropriate in their current form

01:04:30.880 or anything like that,

01:04:31.820 that's complete misreading of,

01:04:33.500 an absolute misreading

01:04:34.600 of what I was trying to put forward.

01:04:36.040 I was trying to put forward the proposition

01:04:37.740 that you have to have structure.

01:04:41.900 You can't interact with the world without structure.

01:04:45.160 It's not possible.

01:04:46.920 This is actually the argument.

01:04:49.260 The argument that I ended up having with Sam Harris

01:04:52.080 was really about something like this.

01:04:53.780 It's like, we have to have structure.

01:04:56.020 What does the structure look like?

01:04:57.980 Well, we're still debating that.

01:05:02.440 But there are ways to solve that.

01:05:05.320 And I addressed some of them in 12 Rules for Life.

01:05:07.420 You have to have structure,

01:05:08.380 but structure tilts towards tyranny.

01:05:11.100 And so that's the right-wing conundrum.

01:05:13.480 You need structure, but it tilts towards tyranny.

01:05:16.120 And the left-wing conundrum is,

01:05:17.540 well, if you have structure,

01:05:18.620 then it produces all sorts of negative consequences.

01:05:21.800 So hierarchical structures, for example,

01:05:24.520 emerge when you're trying to pursue something

01:05:26.360 that's valuable, which you need to do.

01:05:28.900 You pursue something that's valuable,

01:05:30.480 and it turns out that some people

01:05:31.760 are better at that than others,

01:05:32.940 whatever the valuable thing is.

01:05:34.540 So you get inequality.

01:05:36.100 As soon as you pursue something of value

01:05:37.660 in a social circumstance, you get inequality.

01:05:40.140 Because some people are better at it than others.

01:05:42.480 You know that.

01:05:43.780 Plumbers.

01:05:44.420 Some plumbers are better at being plumbers

01:05:46.040 than other plumbers.

01:05:47.200 And all plumbers are better at being plumbers

01:05:49.220 than people who aren't plumbers.

01:05:50.560 So you've got that inequality built right in.

01:05:53.860 It's a major inequality.

01:05:54.940 If you have a skill,

01:05:57.200 then you produce inequality in the world.

01:06:00.200 It's like, well, what are you going to do?

01:06:01.200 Get rid of all the skills?

01:06:02.900 That's not going to be helpful.

01:06:04.540 So the necessary consequence

01:06:07.400 of developing specialized skill

01:06:09.820 is the generation of inequality.

01:06:12.500 And so if you're going to benefit

01:06:14.380 from the fact that people have skills,

01:06:16.920 you're going to have to accept the damn inequality.

01:06:20.580 Okay, and so that's what the right-wingers

01:06:22.000 are always on about.

01:06:22.800 It's like, you have to accept the damn inequality

01:06:25.100 if you're going to benefit from the skill.

01:06:27.860 And fair enough.

01:06:29.440 But the left-wingers say,

01:06:30.620 yeah, but there's something important

01:06:32.180 that you're forgetting here,

01:06:33.240 which is that if you produce a hierarchy,

01:06:36.400 even if it's skill-based,

01:06:38.140 then most people aren't going to benefit

01:06:40.760 from that hierarchy.

01:06:42.500 The benefits are going to go

01:06:43.620 to a small percentage of people at the top.

01:06:46.240 Or they're going to go disproportionately

01:06:47.520 to a small number of people at the top.

01:06:49.460 And that's also the case.

01:06:51.020 So another part of the political dialogue

01:06:53.180 that has to be continually active is,

01:06:55.620 okay, how much inequality can we tolerate

01:06:59.620 to benefit from the differential in skill?

01:07:03.000 And the answer to that is the same answer

01:07:05.000 as the answer to the problem

01:07:07.280 of structure versus transformation.

01:07:09.560 It's like, there is no answer.

01:07:11.840 You have to debate it all the time.

01:07:14.180 It's like, so the people who are on the side

01:07:15.700 of the structure have to say,

01:07:17.280 well, here's all the benefits to the structure.

01:07:18.860 It's worth paying a cost for.

01:07:21.580 And the cost is the dispossession

01:07:23.180 of the people who stack up at the bottom.

01:07:25.220 And the left says, don't go too far with that

01:07:27.940 because if your structure gets too steep

01:07:29.860 and too rigid, then the whole thing will collapse.

01:07:32.220 It's like, yes.

01:07:33.580 So how do we mediate between those two catastrophes?

01:07:36.960 And the answer is, we talk to each other

01:07:39.000 and we think.

01:07:40.600 And so the political landscape looks like

01:07:42.660 it's set up to do two things.

01:07:44.420 One is to help us determine what parts of the structure

01:07:48.000 we can maintain and move forward with

01:07:51.000 and what parts we have to transform.

01:07:52.960 That's an active dialogue.

01:07:54.800 And then the other part is to determine

01:07:56.500 if we've got the hierarchies adjusted

01:07:58.860 such that we're maximally benefiting from the skill

01:08:02.260 but minimally dispossessing people.

01:08:06.300 And part of the problem is,

01:08:08.440 is because you bring your biases to the damn argument

01:08:10.960 and you can't help it,

01:08:11.920 is that if you're a conservative type,

01:08:13.700 you're going to think,

01:08:14.480 well, if the conservatives would just win the argument

01:08:16.360 once and for all,

01:08:17.840 then we wouldn't have a problem.

01:08:19.580 And the liberals think,

01:08:20.680 if those damn conservatives would just go away

01:08:22.840 and the liberals could arrange the world,

01:08:25.760 you know, we'd have the utopia tomorrow.

01:08:27.920 And the problem with that is, we wouldn't.

01:08:30.760 And the reason for that is,

01:08:32.440 well, as soon as you generate up your utopia,

01:08:34.740 whatever it is, it turns into a structure

01:08:36.440 and then it has the same problems

01:08:38.360 as all the other structures I've ever had.

01:08:40.480 And so, and there's no,

01:08:41.780 you know, one of the things I outlined,

01:08:43.440 I have this book that you might be interested in.

01:08:45.820 If you like 12 Rules for Life,

01:08:47.860 you might be interested in the other book I wrote,

01:08:50.500 which was called Maps of Meaning.

01:08:51.780 And I've done a bunch of lectures

01:08:52.920 about Maps of Meaning online.

01:08:55.320 And I just released the audio version of that

01:08:57.920 on June 12th.

01:08:59.260 And it's, I think,

01:09:00.920 if you're going to tackle that book,

01:09:02.360 it's better to tackle the audio version

01:09:03.900 because it's a really, really hard book.

01:09:06.140 It just about killed me to write it.

01:09:07.680 And so, it'll probably just about kill you to read it.

01:09:10.780 So, it was sort of actually designed for that purpose,

01:09:14.540 by the way.

01:09:17.140 It's not so funny.

01:09:18.280 It's actually true.

01:09:20.440 So, but the audio version, I think,

01:09:21.980 makes it much clearer.

01:09:22.860 But what I was trying to outline in that book

01:09:25.840 was the, what would you say,

01:09:31.860 the fact that this set of problems

01:09:35.020 that I just laid out for you,

01:09:36.600 although I didn't describe it in quite this way,

01:09:38.860 has, it's a permanent problem.

01:09:40.820 It will never go away.

01:09:42.080 And one of the ways I did that

01:09:43.340 was I looked at the ancient Egyptian cosmology.

01:09:47.060 So, the Egyptians had sets of gods.

01:09:49.600 And they actually had gods

01:09:50.660 that represented these processes.

01:09:52.320 So, one of their gods was Osiris.

01:09:54.560 And he was the god of tradition.

01:09:56.880 And Osiris had a problem.

01:09:59.000 This is a problem you're all familiar with

01:10:00.580 because you've seen it in movies.

01:10:02.140 So, Osiris was the once great king

01:10:05.020 who had an evil advisor.

01:10:07.580 It was his brother.

01:10:08.740 So, that was the Egyptian setup.

01:10:10.340 Just like the setup in The Lion King.

01:10:12.640 It's exactly the same thing

01:10:13.800 with Mufasa and Scar.

01:10:15.560 And it's the same story, fundamentally.

01:10:19.280 And so, what the Egyptians had figured out

01:10:20.980 4,000 years ago

01:10:23.000 was that every structure,

01:10:25.020 so every king,

01:10:26.880 tended towards malevolence.

01:10:28.640 That was its evil brother.

01:10:30.240 And that the malevolence

01:10:32.300 would undermine it at some point

01:10:34.040 because that's what happens

01:10:34.860 in the Egyptian cosmology

01:10:36.040 is the god Seth.

01:10:40.260 Osiris is the god of structure.

01:10:41.660 There's a god named Seth

01:10:42.660 who's the evil brother of Osiris.

01:10:45.720 His name turns into Satan over time.

01:10:48.720 So, it starts as Seth.

01:10:49.860 It's Seth.

01:10:50.420 And then it's turned into Satan.

01:10:51.680 So, that's kind of where

01:10:52.360 that idea comes from.

01:10:53.460 It's absolutely fascinating.

01:10:55.540 Seth waits for Osiris

01:10:57.140 to have a weak moment.

01:10:58.500 And he cuts him up into pieces

01:11:00.580 and distributes him

01:11:01.720 across the kingdom.

01:11:02.540 So, things fall apart.

01:11:04.580 That's what the Egyptians

01:11:05.500 figured out.

01:11:06.420 Things fall apart.

01:11:07.780 And they do that

01:11:08.340 of their own accord.

01:11:09.160 But we speed them along

01:11:10.940 by being malevolent.

01:11:12.880 That's brilliant.

01:11:14.040 It's absolutely brilliant.

01:11:15.240 And so, that's what happens

01:11:16.180 in the Egyptian story.

01:11:18.120 And things fall apart.

01:11:19.740 And then the goddess

01:11:21.020 of chaos emerges.

01:11:22.320 That's Isis.

01:11:23.020 And she makes herself pregnant

01:11:25.420 with the phallus of Osiris.

01:11:27.360 So, he's broken up across

01:11:28.860 and spread out across the country.

01:11:30.480 Things fall apart.

01:11:31.520 But that's potential, right?

01:11:32.860 When things fall apart,

01:11:33.740 there's new potential.

01:11:35.040 It emerges out of the chaos.

01:11:36.400 That's Isis.

01:11:37.380 Isis gives birth to a new god.

01:11:39.620 Horus.

01:11:40.380 And you all know about Horus

01:11:41.620 because Horus is the Egyptian eye.

01:11:43.960 Right?

01:11:44.140 Everyone knows that symbol.

01:11:45.340 Still, interestingly enough.

01:11:47.160 So, the Egyptians figured out.

01:11:48.460 This is so cool.

01:11:49.760 I've never recovered

01:11:50.940 from figuring this out.

01:11:52.760 It's what they discovered

01:11:54.100 was so absolutely,

01:11:55.960 unbelievably remarkable

01:11:57.380 that, well,

01:11:58.840 that it produced a whole religion

01:11:59.940 and a whole culture

01:12:00.760 that lasted thousands of years, right?

01:12:02.500 Because that's what happened in Egypt.

01:12:04.320 And Horus is the eye.

01:12:07.280 Now, what's the eye?

01:12:08.700 The eye is paying attention.

01:12:11.500 So, the gods figured,

01:12:12.740 the Egyptians figured out

01:12:13.980 that when things fell apart

01:12:16.020 as a consequence of malevolence

01:12:17.540 and everything fell into chaos,

01:12:19.180 the right thing to worship

01:12:20.480 was the ability to pay attention.

01:12:23.060 So, and that's not the same thing

01:12:24.460 as the ability to think.

01:12:26.480 It's different.

01:12:27.780 The ability to pay attention

01:12:28.840 is before thinking.

01:12:30.480 And the ability to pay attention is,

01:12:31.940 oh, something's gone wrong here.

01:12:34.960 I'm in a state of chaos.

01:12:36.400 My marriage is falling apart.

01:12:37.720 Or we've had a bad fight, let's say.

01:12:39.960 And I don't know what's going on.

01:12:41.760 How am I going to figure out

01:12:42.860 what's going on?

01:12:43.960 How about if I pay attention?

01:12:46.660 Right?

01:12:46.900 And so, and you think,

01:12:47.720 well, what do you have to do

01:12:48.460 to pay attention?

01:12:49.220 You have to think,

01:12:50.440 well, the reason we're having a fight

01:12:51.560 isn't because my wife

01:12:52.540 is an ignorant bitch.

01:12:53.820 Although that's a very,

01:12:54.900 well, what the hell

01:12:56.260 are you going to think

01:12:56.860 to begin with, right?

01:12:57.780 You're going to think,

01:12:58.280 I'm right.

01:12:59.600 I'm right.

01:13:00.540 And she's wrong.

01:13:01.660 Because that's bloody convenient.

01:13:02.960 Because if she's wrong,

01:13:03.860 then she gets to change.

01:13:05.780 And you can just stay the same.

01:13:07.260 That's right.

01:13:08.100 Exactly.

01:13:08.640 And you don't want to change

01:13:09.940 because you know,

01:13:11.460 if you're going to change

01:13:12.580 something that you like doing,

01:13:15.360 you're going to have to stop doing.

01:13:16.700 That'll be the first thing.

01:13:18.340 And so, and then,

01:13:19.720 and it won't be the last.

01:13:20.800 You'll have to figure out

01:13:21.480 why you're stupid and wrong.

01:13:23.060 That's annoying.

01:13:24.240 And then you'll have to rectify that.

01:13:25.960 And then you'll have to tell her

01:13:27.020 how you rectify it.

01:13:28.120 It's like, God,

01:13:28.880 that's so annoying.

01:13:29.780 It's easier for her

01:13:31.360 to be a stupid bitch.

01:13:32.960 But then, definitely.

01:13:35.420 But then you have a problem.

01:13:38.260 And the problem is

01:13:39.180 you have to live

01:13:39.780 with a stupid bitch.

01:13:43.060 Yeah.

01:13:45.420 Yeah.

01:13:45.860 And so one of the things,

01:13:46.860 one of the things

01:13:47.680 you might ask yourself

01:13:48.720 is that if you do live

01:13:50.260 with a stupid bitch,

01:13:51.920 then perhaps you deserve that.

01:13:54.420 And not only that,

01:13:56.060 not only that,

01:13:57.300 perhaps you had a major hand

01:13:58.980 in creating it.

01:14:01.020 So, well,

01:14:02.160 it's worth thinking about.

01:14:03.460 It's worth,

01:14:03.980 although who wants

01:14:04.640 to think about that, man?

01:14:05.920 Nobody.

01:14:06.800 Nobody wants to think about that.

01:14:11.040 So, so anyway,

01:14:12.580 so what, what happens,

01:14:13.820 so what happens is

01:14:14.900 Isis makes herself pregnant

01:14:17.020 and she, she, she, she,

01:14:18.540 she goes to the underworld.

01:14:20.220 She goes to the underworld

01:14:21.000 and she gives birth to Horus.

01:14:22.920 And Horus is a bunch of things.

01:14:24.420 So he's the eye, first of all,

01:14:25.680 but he's also a falcon.

01:14:27.560 So, and that's a really interesting,

01:14:28.760 you remember the Lion King again?

01:14:30.980 So, because it's a good way

01:14:32.000 of making sense of the story.

01:14:33.040 You know how the King Mufasa

01:14:34.140 had that bird?

01:14:35.920 I don't remember his name.

01:14:38.000 Zazu, that's him, that's him.

01:14:39.420 Yeah.

01:14:39.720 And he was the eye of the king.

01:14:41.120 And so what did Zazu do?

01:14:42.220 He went above everything,

01:14:44.300 flew above everything

01:14:45.060 and he watched everything.

01:14:46.260 So he was the eye of the king.

01:14:48.240 And so the Egyptians knew

01:14:49.920 that Horus was the god of attention

01:14:51.860 and so Horus was a falcon.

01:14:53.300 And the reason that Horus was a falcon

01:14:54.620 is because falcons can see

01:14:56.000 better than any other animal.

01:14:58.080 They're the only creatures on the planet

01:14:59.500 that can see better than human beings.

01:15:01.300 Birds of prey.

01:15:01.840 So, so that's why they used

01:15:04.160 the falcon as a symbol

01:15:05.540 of paying attention.

01:15:07.780 Now, so Horus grew up

01:15:09.500 and he was different than Osiris.

01:15:10.960 Osiris was the god of tradition.

01:15:12.720 Blind.

01:15:13.400 Willfully blind.

01:15:14.520 Couldn't pay attention

01:15:15.260 to his evil brother.

01:15:16.220 He didn't notice

01:15:17.300 that he was being threatened.

01:15:18.740 Could have, but didn't.

01:15:20.120 Was willfully blind.

01:15:21.340 And so he was overthrown

01:15:22.400 by the forces of malevolence.

01:15:24.140 Permanent problem in human history.

01:15:26.120 Horus was born

01:15:26.960 and he's alert attention.

01:15:29.160 He can see.

01:15:30.580 But now he has a problem.

01:15:32.400 What do you see when you can see?

01:15:35.020 And the answer to that is

01:15:36.160 you see what you don't want to see.

01:15:39.400 Right?

01:15:39.720 Because, you know,

01:15:41.660 it's easy to see what you want to see.

01:15:43.420 It doesn't take any real vision

01:15:44.700 to see what you want to see.

01:15:46.820 To see what you don't want to see,

01:15:48.360 that's a whole different story.

01:15:49.560 And that's the thing about Horus

01:15:50.780 is he could see

01:15:51.460 what he didn't want to see.

01:15:52.820 And what he really didn't want to see

01:15:54.600 was the nature of his evil uncle.

01:15:57.200 And so he goes back to his kingdom.

01:15:59.340 Same story as the Lion King again,

01:16:01.240 by the way.

01:16:01.740 He goes back to his kingdom

01:16:02.900 and has a battle with his evil uncle

01:16:04.440 to regain his kingdom.

01:16:06.020 Which basically means

01:16:07.040 that if you're going to pay attention,

01:16:08.700 that's what you're going to do.

01:16:10.920 Is you're going to encounter the,

01:16:12.860 what would you say,

01:16:13.660 the permanence of malevolence

01:16:15.460 and ignorance.

01:16:16.420 You're going to encounter that.

01:16:17.960 And you're going to see it.

01:16:19.680 And so Horus goes back

01:16:20.960 and has a fight with Seth.

01:16:22.620 And while they're fighting,

01:16:23.820 Seth tears out one of his eyes.

01:16:25.580 And there's a warning there too,

01:16:27.140 which is that

01:16:27.720 if you're going to see,

01:16:30.560 you're going to pay a price for it.

01:16:32.820 And the price might be so high

01:16:34.220 that it actually damages

01:16:35.520 your ability to see.

01:16:37.620 So, and which is partly

01:16:39.120 why people don't want to see.

01:16:40.400 And it's no bloody wonder

01:16:41.360 because there are things

01:16:42.880 that you can see

01:16:44.040 that you do not want to see.

01:16:45.640 And they're the things

01:16:46.420 that really bring us down.

01:16:48.500 They're the things

01:16:49.020 that really do us in.

01:16:50.520 And not only the things

01:16:51.360 that other people are doing,

01:16:52.840 tyrannical people,

01:16:53.840 people who commit atrocities,

01:16:55.240 murderers,

01:16:55.820 that sort of people,

01:16:56.600 but all the things you do

01:16:58.040 in your own domain,

01:16:59.600 all the parts of you

01:17:00.460 that are malevolent,

01:17:01.320 all the parts of you

01:17:02.140 that aren't sorted out properly,

01:17:03.760 that aren't serving

01:17:04.460 the world properly.

01:17:05.620 You take a good look at that,

01:17:06.800 the probability is very,

01:17:08.060 very high

01:17:08.360 that it will damage your vision.

01:17:10.820 And that's why people

01:17:11.560 don't do it.

01:17:12.720 So anyways,

01:17:13.720 Horus has this terrible battle

01:17:15.100 with Seth

01:17:15.600 and he banishes him

01:17:17.780 to the nether regions

01:17:19.780 of the kingdom.

01:17:20.560 Can't kill him.

01:17:21.820 No getting rid of him

01:17:22.960 because the malevolence

01:17:25.140 and ignorance

01:17:25.540 are a permanent part

01:17:26.480 of existence

01:17:27.300 and there's no permanent solution.

01:17:30.160 The best you can do

01:17:30.940 is banish it temporarily.

01:17:33.260 And he gets his eye back.

01:17:35.460 And so then you might think,

01:17:36.500 well, what does he do?

01:17:37.820 Slaps his eye back

01:17:38.920 in his head and rules.

01:17:41.200 No, that's not what happens.

01:17:42.980 And this is where the Egyptians

01:17:43.960 really surpass themselves

01:17:46.140 in their brilliance.

01:17:47.060 Horus takes his eye

01:17:49.680 and he goes down

01:17:50.460 to the underworld.

01:17:51.320 Again, it's the kingdom

01:17:52.020 of the dead, essentially.

01:17:54.200 And Osiris is down there,

01:17:55.820 his father,

01:17:56.640 but kind of dismembered

01:17:58.060 and ghost-like, you know.

01:18:00.700 And so Horus goes

01:18:02.420 to find his father

01:18:03.460 in the underworld

01:18:04.180 to rescue him

01:18:05.620 from the belly of the whale,

01:18:06.880 let's say,

01:18:07.380 like Pinocchio does

01:18:08.240 in the Pinocchio story.

01:18:09.300 It's the same idea.

01:18:10.640 And when he goes

01:18:11.300 to find Osiris,

01:18:12.480 he gives Osiris his eye

01:18:13.960 and that reanimates him.

01:18:16.800 And so then Osiris and Horus

01:18:18.520 go back out of the underworld,

01:18:20.300 arm in arm,

01:18:21.160 father and son,

01:18:22.740 and it's their union

01:18:24.020 that rules.

01:18:25.540 And so for the Egyptians,

01:18:26.680 the pharaoh,

01:18:27.860 who had sovereignty,

01:18:29.020 was the union

01:18:29.700 of Osiris and Horus,

01:18:31.220 the union of tradition

01:18:32.400 and vision.

01:18:33.620 It's so brilliant.

01:18:35.060 It's so unbelievably brilliant.

01:18:36.720 And they associated that

01:18:38.100 with the immortal soul.

01:18:39.580 That was the Egyptian idea,

01:18:40.900 that the immortal soul

01:18:41.680 was the union

01:18:42.240 of tradition and vision.

01:18:44.100 And so,

01:18:45.560 well,

01:18:45.860 that idea had an immense influence

01:18:47.640 on the development

01:18:48.340 of Judaism

01:18:48.900 and an immense influence

01:18:50.740 on the development

01:18:51.420 of Christianity.

01:18:52.580 And so it's an idea

01:18:53.380 that's way at the bottom

01:18:54.600 of our culture.

01:18:56.540 And there's something

01:18:57.340 unbelievably profound about it,

01:18:58.780 which is that's what

01:18:59.520 you should be,

01:19:00.120 is you should be

01:19:00.600 the union of tradition

01:19:01.580 and vision.

01:19:02.540 But that the price

01:19:03.260 that you pay for that

01:19:04.020 is that you'll pay attention

01:19:04.980 and the price

01:19:05.940 of paying attention

01:19:06.860 is that you will see things

01:19:07.840 that you do not want to see.

01:19:09.960 But the thing is,

01:19:10.680 you can.

01:19:11.680 That's the thing

01:19:12.380 that's so remarkable,

01:19:13.400 is that if you're willing

01:19:14.520 to allow yourself

01:19:15.560 to see the things

01:19:16.460 that you don't want to see,

01:19:17.400 you will discover

01:19:17.980 that you can see them

01:19:19.460 and that you can

01:19:20.320 actually tolerate that.

01:19:21.840 And I would say,

01:19:22.440 we actually don't know

01:19:23.260 a more deep clinical truth

01:19:25.000 than that.

01:19:26.200 So,

01:19:27.140 because I could take this

01:19:27.940 out of the domain

01:19:28.640 of metaphysical speculation,

01:19:30.240 even though it's not

01:19:31.020 precisely necessary

01:19:32.440 to do so.

01:19:33.380 If you're dealing

01:19:34.200 with someone

01:19:34.620 who's very anxious

01:19:35.520 and who's stumped

01:19:37.040 in their life,

01:19:37.560 they can't move forward.

01:19:38.900 They're stopped

01:19:39.560 by their anxiety

01:19:40.460 and their terror.

01:19:41.600 What you do

01:19:42.180 is you break down

01:19:43.060 their terror

01:19:43.680 into manageable pieces.

01:19:45.360 You say,

01:19:45.620 okay,

01:19:45.760 what are you afraid of?

01:19:47.180 Well,

01:19:47.660 maybe I'm agoraphobic.

01:19:50.200 I'm afraid of elevators

01:19:51.140 and death.

01:19:53.960 I know it's a big leap,

01:19:55.480 man,

01:19:55.720 but when an agoraphobic person

01:19:57.660 looks in an elevator,

01:19:58.580 they see a tomb.

01:19:59.580 Like,

01:19:59.980 it's death

01:20:00.520 they're afraid of.

01:20:01.120 They're afraid

01:20:01.480 they'll get trapped

01:20:02.060 in the elevator

01:20:02.660 and they'll have

01:20:03.060 a heart attack

01:20:03.600 and they won't get

01:20:04.140 to a hospital

01:20:04.580 and they'll die.

01:20:05.660 Or worse,

01:20:06.720 they're afraid

01:20:07.240 they'll be trapped

01:20:07.780 in an elevator

01:20:08.360 with a bunch

01:20:08.840 of other people,

01:20:09.800 that they'll have

01:20:10.440 a heart attack

01:20:11.000 and make a fool

01:20:11.960 of themselves

01:20:12.520 so that while

01:20:13.660 they're dying,

01:20:14.220 everyone will be

01:20:14.820 looking at them.

01:20:16.200 Right?

01:20:16.400 So it's social judgment

01:20:17.520 plus mortality

01:20:18.420 all bowled up

01:20:19.240 into one.

01:20:20.280 And so,

01:20:21.020 and really,

01:20:21.720 this is the case.

01:20:22.620 And you can understand

01:20:23.680 that because the two

01:20:24.580 great fears

01:20:25.160 are to be humiliated

01:20:26.340 and to die.

01:20:27.760 And so if you really

01:20:28.760 want to be terrified,

01:20:30.220 you want to be humiliated

01:20:31.400 while you're dying.

01:20:32.980 Right.

01:20:35.240 Right.

01:20:36.040 So,

01:20:36.320 but then what you do

01:20:37.300 with the person

01:20:37.860 who's afraid

01:20:38.720 is that you help them

01:20:40.300 gradually encounter

01:20:42.340 the thing that they're

01:20:43.220 afraid of

01:20:43.780 and what they learn,

01:20:45.140 so you expose them

01:20:46.060 to the elevator,

01:20:46.860 say in bits and pieces.

01:20:48.340 First of all,

01:20:48.820 they stand 10 feet

01:20:49.760 from it

01:20:50.120 and then five feet

01:20:50.940 and then maybe

01:20:51.400 they look inside it

01:20:52.420 and maybe they step

01:20:53.520 inside it

01:20:53.980 while you hold

01:20:54.480 the doors open

01:20:55.240 and then maybe

01:20:55.980 they travel down

01:20:56.740 one floor

01:20:57.400 and they don't get

01:20:58.480 less afraid,

01:21:00.180 they get braver.

01:21:03.120 Right.

01:21:03.600 And this is also

01:21:04.180 what you want

01:21:04.660 for your children.

01:21:05.520 That's rule 11.

01:21:07.580 Don't bother children

01:21:08.640 when they're skateboarding

01:21:09.720 because you don't want

01:21:10.520 them to get less afraid.

01:21:12.220 You want to get them

01:21:12.940 to be braver

01:21:13.940 and you do that

01:21:15.100 by exposing them

01:21:16.220 to things that are

01:21:16.920 beyond them

01:21:17.580 and to encourage them.

01:21:19.200 And that's what you do

01:21:19.920 to people

01:21:20.320 if you want to help

01:21:21.020 them overcome

01:21:21.620 their justifiable

01:21:22.960 terror of existence.

01:21:24.800 You find,

01:21:25.520 well,

01:21:25.620 if you expose people

01:21:26.700 to challenges

01:21:27.360 that are slightly

01:21:28.120 beyond them

01:21:28.780 in a rigorous manner

01:21:30.160 then they get stronger

01:21:31.140 and stronger

01:21:31.940 and stronger

01:21:32.700 and stronger

01:21:33.360 and we have no idea

01:21:34.700 what the upper limit

01:21:35.420 is to that.

01:21:37.060 You can't discover

01:21:38.380 an upper limit

01:21:39.060 to that in a

01:21:39.740 therapeutic session

01:21:40.600 because if you're

01:21:41.180 dealing with someone

01:21:41.860 say over a decade

01:21:42.720 long period.

01:21:43.760 I had a client

01:21:44.540 recently

01:21:45.060 when she first

01:21:46.000 came to see me

01:21:46.740 she was so

01:21:48.320 socially timid

01:21:49.840 that even though

01:21:50.960 I was her therapist

01:21:51.860 we couldn't go

01:21:52.600 into a coffee shop

01:21:53.480 to have a coffee

01:21:54.280 together.

01:21:54.940 That was not possible.

01:21:56.180 And at the end

01:21:57.400 of 10 years

01:21:58.040 and I'm not

01:21:58.500 taking credit

01:21:58.980 for this by the way

01:21:59.700 she did this

01:22:00.300 on her own

01:22:00.780 which is what

01:22:01.220 you have to do

01:22:01.820 if you're successful

01:22:02.580 in psychotherapy.

01:22:03.400 Anyway,

01:22:03.980 she was doing

01:22:04.480 stand-up comedy

01:22:05.580 at clubs.

01:22:06.920 It's like,

01:22:07.580 right man,

01:22:08.240 that's a big difference.

01:22:09.680 That's a big difference.

01:22:11.660 So, and

01:22:11.860 and it's not because

01:22:14.320 she became less

01:22:15.140 afraid of people.

01:22:16.960 It's because she got

01:22:17.860 she discovered

01:22:19.780 more and more

01:22:20.580 about what she was

01:22:21.360 actually capable of

01:22:22.440 despite the fact

01:22:23.360 that she was afraid.

01:22:24.220 and that's way better

01:22:25.720 because good luck

01:22:26.520 getting rid of your terror.

01:22:27.880 That's just not

01:22:28.680 going to happen

01:22:29.240 because there's

01:22:30.240 endless things

01:22:30.920 to be terrified about

01:22:31.880 and they are

01:22:32.400 absolutely real.

01:22:34.180 So, the best

01:22:34.740 you can hope for

01:22:35.420 is courage

01:22:36.020 not a cessation

01:22:37.380 of fear.

01:22:38.840 And so, well,

01:22:39.760 so, well,

01:22:40.900 what's the underlying

01:22:41.760 theme in 12 Rules

01:22:43.440 for Life?

01:22:43.900 Well, I've laid it out

01:22:44.580 to some degree today

01:22:45.480 a discursive talk

01:22:46.680 but, but, but,

01:22:47.680 but nonetheless

01:22:48.280 it's like

01:22:49.500 I suppose

01:22:52.640 the fundamental

01:22:53.340 theme

01:22:53.740 and I think

01:22:54.700 the thing

01:22:55.020 that makes

01:22:55.460 this book

01:22:55.980 different

01:22:56.360 perhaps

01:22:57.800 than what's

01:22:59.480 being pushed

01:23:00.580 forward by

01:23:01.560 perhaps well-meaning

01:23:02.960 psychologists

01:23:03.500 for some of them

01:23:04.620 for a while

01:23:05.460 is that

01:23:05.840 I'm not

01:23:06.700 particularly

01:23:07.460 interested in

01:23:08.360 whether or not

01:23:09.040 people are happy

01:23:09.840 or whether or not

01:23:10.840 they have rights

01:23:11.680 or really anything

01:23:12.760 about even

01:23:14.000 their freedom

01:23:14.580 I suppose.

01:23:15.320 I'm much more

01:23:15.900 concerned about

01:23:16.480 their responsibility.

01:23:18.280 And there's a reason

01:23:19.360 for that

01:23:19.780 two reasons

01:23:20.380 one is

01:23:20.880 unless you

01:23:22.860 shoulder your

01:23:23.300 responsibility

01:23:23.820 things fall apart

01:23:24.860 and that that's

01:23:26.080 actually true

01:23:27.340 you fall apart

01:23:28.400 your family

01:23:29.720 falls apart

01:23:30.360 and your community

01:23:31.460 falls apart

01:23:32.080 and it's way worse

01:23:33.980 that you don't

01:23:34.700 shoulder responsibility

01:23:35.660 than you think

01:23:36.660 because you have

01:23:37.520 a lot more

01:23:37.880 at your disposal

01:23:38.500 than you think

01:23:39.220 for better

01:23:39.860 or for worse

01:23:40.460 you're certainly

01:23:41.660 and you know this

01:23:42.360 because even if

01:23:43.260 you're not so convinced

01:23:44.100 that you could be

01:23:44.740 a powerful force

01:23:45.660 for good

01:23:46.140 you're bloody well

01:23:47.380 convinced that you

01:23:48.080 could be a powerful

01:23:48.760 force for mayhem

01:23:49.840 and you certainly

01:23:50.780 have been

01:23:51.520 in the mistakes

01:23:53.440 that you've made

01:23:53.980 in your life

01:23:54.340 you know how

01:23:54.820 devastating your

01:23:56.240 inaction can be

01:23:57.260 for you and for

01:23:57.940 your family

01:23:58.400 and hypothetically

01:23:59.500 for the community

01:24:00.240 and so if you're

01:24:01.280 that much of a force

01:24:02.160 for catastrophe

01:24:03.100 it's conceivable

01:24:04.240 that if you got

01:24:04.900 your act together

01:24:05.560 you'd be that much

01:24:06.400 of a force

01:24:07.020 for the opposite

01:24:07.680 and I do really

01:24:08.820 believe this is the

01:24:09.660 case

01:24:09.940 I think the individual

01:24:11.100 is far more

01:24:12.140 powerful force

01:24:13.180 for good and evil

01:24:13.860 than any of us

01:24:14.580 are willing

01:24:15.600 to realize

01:24:16.680 and I don't think

01:24:18.120 that we would have

01:24:18.700 founded our entire

01:24:19.640 culture on the

01:24:20.500 proposition that

01:24:21.360 sovereignty inheres

01:24:22.360 in the individual

01:24:23.020 if we wouldn't have

01:24:23.740 figured that out

01:24:24.320 at some point

01:24:24.960 or is that just a game

01:24:26.420 is that just a game

01:24:27.960 that sovereignty

01:24:28.620 inheres in the individual

01:24:29.680 or is it real

01:24:30.480 the whole

01:24:31.580 your whole culture

01:24:32.680 in particular

01:24:33.240 the Americans

01:24:33.940 you guys in particular

01:24:35.220 it's like it's explicit

01:24:36.800 in your

01:24:37.440 in the structure

01:24:38.640 of your society

01:24:39.420 it's on you

01:24:41.240 and it's not

01:24:42.380 because of your rights

01:24:43.300 it's because of

01:24:44.180 the necessity

01:24:44.960 for you to adopt

01:24:45.980 responsibility

01:24:46.540 for your own

01:24:47.940 shortcomings

01:24:48.860 and the shortcomings

01:24:49.840 of everything

01:24:50.300 around you

01:24:50.920 and so

01:24:52.200 and it seems

01:24:53.920 to me that that's

01:24:54.640 I think that's

01:24:55.460 just a statement

01:24:56.060 of fact

01:24:56.660 that that's how

01:24:57.180 the world works

01:24:57.900 I think that that's

01:24:58.820 why our cultures

01:24:59.700 work

01:25:00.240 the cultures

01:25:00.960 that are predicated

01:25:01.660 on the sovereignty

01:25:02.300 of the individual

01:25:03.000 because we got

01:25:03.780 something right

01:25:04.400 about that

01:25:04.900 but it's not rights

01:25:06.160 it's responsibility

01:25:07.640 but what's cool

01:25:09.020 about that

01:25:09.540 and I'll end with this

01:25:10.340 this is what's so

01:25:11.060 interesting about that

01:25:11.960 it's like

01:25:12.280 you know

01:25:13.740 I already said

01:25:15.100 that like Horace

01:25:16.800 you have reasons

01:25:17.580 not to pay attention

01:25:18.600 you don't want

01:25:19.200 to lose an eye

01:25:19.860 man

01:25:20.100 it's like

01:25:20.460 you really want

01:25:20.940 to pay attention

01:25:21.500 to the terrible

01:25:22.140 things that are

01:25:22.700 going on around you

01:25:23.940 or within you

01:25:24.920 it's very brutal

01:25:26.180 it's like

01:25:27.100 well why bother

01:25:28.320 well here's a reason

01:25:29.540 it's like

01:25:29.900 you're stuck

01:25:30.920 with the suffering

01:25:31.660 in life

01:25:32.580 and you're stuck

01:25:33.940 with the malevolence

01:25:34.780 in life

01:25:35.140 which is associated

01:25:35.920 with the suffering

01:25:36.660 right

01:25:36.900 I mean

01:25:37.100 you're in a fragile

01:25:39.240 physical form

01:25:40.480 you're going to age

01:25:41.620 and die

01:25:42.140 you're going to get sick

01:25:43.400 that's all going to happen

01:25:44.600 and then it's going

01:25:45.620 to be made worse

01:25:46.340 by your own foolish errors

01:25:48.140 and the willful errors

01:25:49.800 of people around you

01:25:50.660 there's no getting away

01:25:51.880 from that

01:25:52.340 but the question is

01:25:54.520 well what can you do

01:25:55.360 in the face of that

01:25:56.440 I would say

01:25:57.380 well you can pursue

01:25:58.320 what justifies that

01:26:00.480 the suffering

01:26:01.280 and the malevolence

01:26:01.980 and the answer to that

01:26:02.680 is you need to do

01:26:03.320 something noble

01:26:03.960 and worthwhile

01:26:04.660 you think

01:26:05.860 well you know

01:26:06.680 despite the

01:26:07.700 what would you say

01:26:09.440 the unacceptability

01:26:10.820 of existence

01:26:11.560 there are things

01:26:12.620 that you can do

01:26:13.180 that make it worthwhile

01:26:14.900 right

01:26:15.260 that make you want

01:26:16.320 to get up in the morning

01:26:17.140 when it's a hard morning

01:26:18.320 to get up

01:26:18.800 you think

01:26:19.060 I've got things

01:26:19.740 that are worth doing

01:26:20.640 it's like

01:26:21.400 well that

01:26:22.080 where do you find

01:26:22.860 the things

01:26:23.200 that are worth doing

01:26:23.980 well it's not

01:26:24.860 an impulsive pleasure

01:26:26.040 and the seeking

01:26:26.740 of every privilege

01:26:27.780 you have

01:26:28.200 because you have rights

01:26:29.280 and you know that

01:26:30.600 you don't admire

01:26:31.740 people like that

01:26:32.760 and admiration

01:26:34.560 is the spontaneous

01:26:35.760 manifestation

01:26:36.580 of your sense

01:26:37.520 of how to orient

01:26:38.200 yourself in the world

01:26:39.100 you admire people

01:26:40.080 who take on

01:26:40.640 the responsibility

01:26:41.280 of life

01:26:41.800 they take care

01:26:42.580 of themselves

01:26:43.060 and they take care

01:26:44.880 of they have

01:26:45.400 excess capacity

01:26:46.740 so they take care

01:26:47.520 of people around them

01:26:48.320 their family

01:26:48.880 and maybe they can

01:26:49.880 even transcend that

01:26:50.940 they take care

01:26:51.440 of themselves

01:26:52.240 their family

01:26:53.100 and their community

01:26:54.260 and they have a reason

01:26:55.280 to get the hell

01:26:55.800 out of bed in the morning

01:26:56.560 when it's a brutal morning

01:26:57.660 and everyone needs

01:26:59.640 a reason to get out

01:27:01.000 of bed in the morning

01:27:01.820 when it's a brutal morning

01:27:03.200 because the brutal mornings

01:27:04.540 if they're not here

01:27:05.800 they're coming

01:27:07.040 and so happiness

01:27:08.680 isn't going to get that

01:27:09.640 for you

01:27:09.940 because those aren't

01:27:10.620 going to be happy mornings

01:27:11.800 and you need

01:27:13.100 but you need to be able

01:27:13.940 to think to yourself

01:27:14.700 yeah I'm going to

01:27:15.600 haul myself up

01:27:16.460 by the scruff of the neck

01:27:17.560 because I got things

01:27:18.700 to do

01:27:19.200 that are worth doing

01:27:20.200 the world will be

01:27:20.860 a less worthwhile place

01:27:22.720 if I don't put my damn

01:27:24.020 feet on the ground

01:27:24.920 and move forward today

01:27:25.980 and to take on

01:27:26.940 the responsibility

01:27:27.640 and that's part of

01:27:29.320 let's say

01:27:30.100 standing up straight

01:27:31.820 with your shoulders back

01:27:33.260 right

01:27:33.760 and to confront the world

01:27:35.040 in a proper manner

01:27:35.940 and so

01:27:37.020 well that's the fundamental

01:27:38.380 ethos of

01:27:39.180 twelve rules for life

01:27:40.640 and the fundamental issue

01:27:42.360 in chapter one

01:27:43.300 and so

01:27:51.740 and so that's

01:27:53.820 for now

01:27:54.820 I'll come back

01:27:56.060 for the Q&A

01:27:56.640 but that's a good place

01:27:57.620 to stop

01:27:58.160 give it up

01:27:59.160 for Jordan Peterson

01:28:00.100 everybody

01:28:00.700 look at you

01:28:06.380 delivering me a computer

01:28:07.820 like a waiter

01:28:09.080 all right

01:28:09.860 so

01:28:10.900 I want to start

01:28:12.180 with this one

01:28:12.680 because there were

01:28:13.300 about a hundred

01:28:13.780 questions like this

01:28:14.840 but I thought it was

01:28:15.480 worded the best way

01:28:16.560 what do you think

01:28:18.500 of all the soy boys

01:28:20.320 across the street

01:28:21.360 I think that

01:28:29.700 you have to live

01:28:30.400 with them

01:28:30.820 well

01:28:32.640 but that

01:28:33.060 that is what I think

01:28:33.980 you know

01:28:34.300 like look

01:28:35.000 I was on

01:28:36.720 Bill Maher's show

01:28:37.900 about

01:28:38.240 two months ago

01:28:39.720 and it was interesting

01:28:41.000 it's interesting

01:28:42.160 to come down

01:28:42.700 to the states

01:28:43.200 because I really

01:28:43.620 like the states

01:28:44.180 I lived here

01:28:44.680 for about six years

01:28:45.640 in Boston

01:28:46.460 and when

01:28:46.960 when the internet

01:28:47.540 was taking off

01:28:48.300 it was real

01:28:48.760 your country

01:28:49.500 was just

01:28:49.960 a bloody juggernaut

01:28:51.160 there for about

01:28:51.760 eight years

01:28:52.360 and so that was

01:28:53.020 really something

01:28:53.480 to see

01:28:54.020 and

01:28:55.160 but I have a little

01:28:57.180 detachment as well

01:28:58.140 because I'm from

01:28:59.220 a different country

01:29:00.160 you know

01:29:00.520 so I'm not quite

01:29:01.560 as tangled up

01:29:02.320 in the things

01:29:03.240 you're tangled up

01:29:03.900 I'm tangled up

01:29:04.520 in my own things

01:29:05.220 obviously

01:29:05.620 but

01:29:05.900 well I went down

01:29:07.260 to see Bill Maher

01:29:08.040 and one of the things

01:29:09.040 that was happening

01:29:09.660 he had a bunch of

01:29:10.560 people who were

01:29:11.240 more liberal

01:29:11.760 leaning on the same

01:29:12.580 program that I was on

01:29:13.640 and

01:29:14.420 you know

01:29:16.000 Maher liked my book

01:29:17.040 because he's kind of

01:29:17.840 a free speech guy

01:29:18.620 which is a good thing

01:29:19.320 because he's a stand-up

01:29:20.120 comedian

01:29:20.500 so he bloody well

01:29:21.220 better be a free speech guy

01:29:22.580 so

01:29:23.260 but you know

01:29:24.280 it does conflict

01:29:25.080 to some degree

01:29:25.700 with his more

01:29:26.320 left-leaning proclivities

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01:30:44.220 I was sitting

01:30:48.560 at the end

01:30:49.060 I was sitting

01:30:49.900 at the show

01:30:50.840 at the end

01:30:51.280 and they do

01:30:52.020 this thing

01:30:52.540 that just goes

01:30:53.260 to YouTube

01:30:53.660 and there was

01:30:54.580 a governor

01:30:55.340 of Washington

01:30:56.640 I think it was

01:30:57.280 the governor

01:30:57.660 and a couple

01:30:58.220 of journalists

01:30:58.860 one from the

01:30:59.340 New York Times

01:30:59.880 and one from

01:31:00.340 the Atlantic

01:31:00.800 and there was

01:31:03.060 a fourth panelist

01:31:03.740 who I don't

01:31:04.060 remember

01:31:04.380 and they were

01:31:04.980 just bashing

01:31:05.580 the hell

01:31:05.920 out of Trump

01:31:06.580 and I thought

01:31:07.980 well first of all

01:31:09.440 it's not that hard

01:31:12.920 you know

01:31:14.660 well you know

01:31:15.640 he's just kind

01:31:16.480 of a strange guy

01:31:17.420 and it's not like

01:31:18.440 anybody in here

01:31:19.360 couldn't list

01:31:20.040 30 things about

01:31:21.260 Trump

01:31:21.980 that you could

01:31:23.100 have issue with

01:31:24.820 so it doesn't take

01:31:25.720 a tremendous amount

01:31:26.500 of perspicacity

01:31:27.380 to come up with

01:31:28.440 a list about

01:31:29.080 things you might

01:31:29.780 find questionable

01:31:30.920 about Trump

01:31:31.660 it's also not

01:31:32.540 that interesting

01:31:33.380 you know I went

01:31:34.480 and saw John Cleese

01:31:35.660 in you know

01:31:36.380 from Monty Python

01:31:37.140 I saw him

01:31:38.960 in Toronto

01:31:41.280 a couple of weeks

01:31:42.100 ago

01:31:42.340 and he told

01:31:43.260 stories about

01:31:44.000 the meaning of life

01:31:46.420 and about

01:31:46.920 the Holy Grail

01:31:48.320 and the life of

01:31:49.100 Brian

01:31:49.400 and the Monty Python

01:31:51.360 shows

01:31:52.220 and that was so

01:31:52.760 interesting

01:31:53.280 and no one

01:31:53.760 could tell those

01:31:54.320 stories except

01:31:55.080 John Cleese

01:31:55.740 it was like

01:31:56.220 yay I get to

01:31:57.300 hear these stories

01:31:58.040 and then he

01:31:58.900 started talking

01:31:59.340 about Trump

01:31:59.880 and it was like

01:32:00.380 listening to your

01:32:01.140 like great uncle

01:32:03.360 talk about Trump

01:32:04.860 who cares

01:32:05.840 what he thinks

01:32:06.520 about Trump

01:32:07.120 he thinks the

01:32:07.900 same thing

01:32:08.460 everyone else

01:32:09.040 thinks about

01:32:09.520 Trump

01:32:09.860 it was dull

01:32:11.020 anyways

01:32:12.160 so

01:32:13.180 they were all

01:32:14.660 squawking about

01:32:15.300 Trump

01:32:15.600 and I was

01:32:16.000 sitting there

01:32:16.380 thinking

01:32:16.740 you Americans

01:32:21.080 have voted

01:32:21.640 50% Republican

01:32:22.860 and 50% Democrat

01:32:24.100 for what

01:32:24.520 20 years

01:32:25.120 right

01:32:25.400 you did exactly

01:32:26.560 the same thing

01:32:27.140 in the last

01:32:27.560 election

01:32:27.920 it's a 50-50

01:32:28.940 split

01:32:29.340 and so maybe

01:32:30.360 you're more

01:32:30.760 polarized than

01:32:31.440 you were

01:32:31.760 and maybe

01:32:32.060 you're not

01:32:32.460 but that

01:32:32.860 hasn't shifted

01:32:33.560 and it's like

01:32:34.100 and so

01:32:35.380 these people

01:32:37.020 that voted

01:32:37.700 for Trump

01:32:38.460 these reprehensible

01:32:39.400 people

01:32:39.800 it's like

01:32:40.260 they're half

01:32:42.180 your people

01:32:42.780 they're in

01:32:45.040 your family

01:32:45.740 they're even

01:32:46.640 in your head

01:32:47.440 you know

01:32:48.640 because

01:32:49.000 you have to

01:32:50.100 be a pretty

01:32:50.620 blind liberal

01:32:52.440 not to have

01:32:53.680 wished

01:32:54.240 when you went

01:32:55.040 into the voting

01:32:55.720 booth

01:32:56.020 to say

01:32:56.500 oh

01:32:57.140 to hell

01:32:58.120 with it

01:32:58.580 Trump

01:32:59.180 right

01:33:01.100 right

01:33:02.000 and so

01:33:02.520 so the issue

01:33:04.060 isn't

01:33:04.880 the issue

01:33:05.680 is how do

01:33:06.220 you bring

01:33:06.480 these people

01:33:06.940 back into

01:33:07.420 the fold

01:33:07.960 how do you

01:33:08.400 get the dialogue

01:33:09.020 going again

01:33:09.740 because

01:33:10.060 you're stuck

01:33:11.620 with

01:33:11.900 the liberals

01:33:13.880 are stuck

01:33:14.480 with you

01:33:14.880 Trump lovers

01:33:15.660 and you

01:33:16.200 Trump lovers

01:33:16.780 are stuck

01:33:17.300 with the liberals

01:33:18.080 and so

01:33:18.620 and the reason

01:33:19.740 your country

01:33:20.260 works is because

01:33:20.940 you've been

01:33:21.300 able to talk

01:33:22.200 and so the

01:33:23.620 talking better

01:33:24.220 continue

01:33:24.740 and that's

01:33:25.180 what I would

01:33:25.520 say about

01:33:25.920 the people

01:33:26.320 outside

01:33:26.720 I mean

01:33:26.920 I don't

01:33:27.180 know what

01:33:27.440 they're up

01:33:27.780 to

01:33:27.940 what

01:33:28.180 they're

01:33:29.140 doing

01:33:29.360 out

01:33:29.540 there

01:33:29.700 today

01:33:30.040 we don't

01:33:32.180 like

01:33:32.500 violent

01:33:33.100 men

01:33:33.600 it's

01:33:33.860 like

01:33:34.040 okay

01:33:34.540 like I

01:33:35.540 don't know

01:33:35.780 I don't

01:33:36.100 know why

01:33:36.400 that's

01:33:36.700 particularly

01:33:37.080 relevant

01:33:37.660 in this

01:33:38.440 particular

01:33:38.860 circumstance

01:33:39.460 well Dave

01:33:40.160 is one

01:33:40.540 of the

01:33:40.720 most

01:33:40.900 violent

01:33:41.260 men

01:33:41.660 I've

01:33:41.860 ever

01:33:42.020 seen

01:33:42.400 actually

01:33:42.720 when you

01:33:44.580 see him

01:33:44.880 in private

01:33:45.360 of course

01:33:45.820 but

01:33:46.480 but I

01:33:47.900 think

01:33:48.160 I think

01:33:48.600 what

01:33:48.820 you want

01:33:49.800 to do

01:33:50.100 is you

01:33:50.420 don't

01:33:50.640 want

01:33:50.840 to win

01:33:51.500 any more

01:33:52.980 than you

01:33:53.280 want to

01:33:53.580 win

01:33:53.860 an argument

01:33:54.460 with your

01:33:54.940 spouse

01:33:55.580 because if

01:33:56.500 you win

01:33:56.740 an argument

01:33:57.100 with your

01:33:57.480 spouse

01:33:57.740 then they

01:33:58.520 lose

01:33:59.240 then you're

01:34:00.140 stuck with

01:34:00.480 a loser

01:34:00.960 right

01:34:02.960 and so you

01:34:04.000 don't you

01:34:04.380 don't want

01:34:04.680 to do

01:34:04.900 that

01:34:05.100 you want

01:34:05.400 to come

01:34:05.600 up with a

01:34:06.040 solution

01:34:06.360 where you

01:34:06.740 both win

01:34:07.540 and so

01:34:08.920 that that's

01:34:09.540 the right

01:34:09.840 way to deal

01:34:10.360 with this

01:34:10.800 and I know

01:34:11.320 it's very

01:34:11.760 difficult to

01:34:12.280 do that

01:34:12.640 as the

01:34:13.200 people you're

01:34:13.680 talking to

01:34:14.120 go farther

01:34:14.740 and farther

01:34:15.240 out on the

01:34:16.100 ideological

01:34:16.660 spectrum

01:34:17.420 right

01:34:17.700 at some

01:34:18.460 point

01:34:18.780 maybe

01:34:19.180 civilized

01:34:20.600 discourse

01:34:21.040 becomes

01:34:21.460 impossible

01:34:22.060 and that's

01:34:23.340 but hopefully

01:34:24.060 that doesn't

01:34:24.560 happen too

01:34:25.020 much

01:34:25.420 because when

01:34:26.280 that starts

01:34:26.740 to happen

01:34:27.060 too much

01:34:27.520 then the

01:34:28.540 sides start

01:34:29.340 to step

01:34:29.800 farther and

01:34:30.300 farther apart

01:34:30.860 and that's

01:34:31.240 what I'm

01:34:31.500 worried about

01:34:31.880 right now

01:34:32.420 is that you

01:34:32.880 see these

01:34:33.300 you can get

01:34:34.360 a situation

01:34:35.080 where it's

01:34:36.360 like a

01:34:36.860 feud

01:34:37.220 or a

01:34:37.700 vendetta

01:34:38.180 you know

01:34:39.020 I tap

01:34:39.620 you

01:34:39.940 you slap

01:34:40.980 me

01:34:41.300 I punch

01:34:42.100 you

01:34:42.460 you hit

01:34:43.040 me with

01:34:43.340 a stick

01:34:43.840 it's like

01:34:44.240 we're

01:34:44.520 and we're

01:34:45.100 and we're

01:34:45.620 going

01:34:46.220 and that's

01:34:47.540 a positive

01:34:47.960 feedback loop

01:34:48.800 and like

01:34:49.460 those positive

01:34:50.320 feedback loop

01:34:51.020 is like when

01:34:51.460 you bring a

01:34:51.820 microphone too

01:34:52.440 close to a

01:34:52.960 speaker

01:34:53.280 you know

01:34:53.660 and it

01:34:53.860 starts to

01:34:54.300 howl

01:34:54.680 and it

01:34:54.980 blows the

01:34:55.400 whole system

01:34:55.880 up

01:34:56.080 because the

01:34:56.560 input gets

01:34:57.160 amplified

01:34:57.620 and we

01:34:59.020 don't want

01:34:59.400 to have

01:34:59.660 that happen

01:35:00.160 we want

01:35:00.500 to dampen

01:35:01.120 it down

01:35:01.640 and I

01:35:02.380 think you

01:35:02.640 dampen

01:35:03.040 it down

01:35:03.360 through

01:35:03.600 by listening

01:35:04.800 and through

01:35:05.140 intelligent

01:35:05.720 discourse

01:35:06.160 and I

01:35:06.820 think maybe

01:35:07.260 the real

01:35:08.300 proper way

01:35:09.000 to do

01:35:09.260 this

01:35:09.480 I'm

01:35:09.720 hoping

01:35:10.020 is that

01:35:10.400 you tell

01:35:10.800 a better

01:35:11.140 story

01:35:11.700 right

01:35:12.740 so someone

01:35:13.160 stuck

01:35:13.500 in an

01:35:13.780 ideology

01:35:14.260 and it's

01:35:15.300 got a

01:35:15.880 narrative

01:35:16.160 angle

01:35:16.620 and it

01:35:17.020 gives

01:35:17.320 them

01:35:17.480 some

01:35:17.700 meaning

01:35:18.000 you

01:35:18.560 got to

01:35:18.840 come up

01:35:19.200 with

01:35:19.340 something

01:35:19.640 that's

01:35:19.880 more

01:35:20.220 attractive

01:35:20.780 it's

01:35:21.660 the best

01:35:22.060 way

01:35:22.300 it's

01:35:22.580 the best

01:35:22.920 attraction

01:35:23.520 forward

01:35:24.140 you know

01:35:24.960 and I'm

01:35:25.240 hoping

01:35:25.540 at least

01:35:25.900 in part

01:35:26.320 that this

01:35:26.720 doctrine

01:35:27.120 of

01:35:27.400 voluntarily

01:35:28.480 accepted

01:35:29.120 individual

01:35:29.720 responsibility

01:35:30.500 as a

01:35:31.780 pathway

01:35:32.220 to

01:35:32.480 meaning

01:35:33.020 because

01:35:34.100 it's

01:35:34.320 never

01:35:34.560 put that

01:35:35.560 way

01:35:35.760 generally

01:35:36.120 speaking

01:35:36.520 it's

01:35:36.760 usually

01:35:36.980 a

01:35:37.200 duty

01:35:37.420 you

01:35:37.640 should

01:35:37.880 accept

01:35:38.300 responsibility

01:35:39.160 it's

01:35:39.820 like

01:35:39.960 no

01:35:40.160 no

01:35:40.340 you

01:35:40.620 need

01:35:40.980 to

01:35:41.140 accept

01:35:41.500 responsibility

01:35:42.100 because

01:35:42.480 that's

01:35:42.800 where

01:35:42.940 you're

01:35:43.100 going

01:35:43.200 to

01:35:43.300 find

01:35:43.500 the

01:35:43.640 meaning

01:35:43.840 in

01:35:44.040 your

01:35:44.140 life

01:35:44.420 I'm

01:35:45.140 hoping

01:35:45.560 that

01:35:46.340 that's

01:35:46.620 a

01:35:46.720 better

01:35:46.920 story

01:35:47.400 and

01:35:47.620 I

01:35:47.760 believe

01:35:48.480 that

01:35:48.780 that's

01:35:49.120 the

01:35:49.320 fundamental

01:35:49.800 story

01:35:50.300 upon

01:35:50.580 which

01:35:50.880 your

01:35:51.140 civilization

01:35:51.720 is

01:35:52.140 predicated

01:35:52.620 in

01:35:52.880 any

01:35:53.120 case

01:35:53.540 and so

01:35:54.500 we

01:35:54.620 got to

01:35:54.840 pull

01:35:55.040 people

01:35:55.380 back

01:35:55.700 to

01:35:55.880 that

01:35:56.160 so

01:35:57.260 so

01:35:58.540 that's

01:35:59.000 because

01:36:00.580 the

01:36:00.720 alternative

01:36:01.140 what's

01:36:01.440 the

01:36:01.580 alternative

01:36:02.060 the

01:36:02.260 alternative

01:36:02.660 is

01:36:03.000 well

01:36:03.340 maybe

01:36:03.520 you

01:36:03.640 get

01:36:03.740 to

01:36:03.900 punch

01:36:04.160 someone

01:36:04.640 you

01:36:05.220 know

01:36:05.300 and

01:36:05.400 that's

01:36:05.680 that's

01:36:05.880 real

01:36:06.060 gratifying

01:36:06.680 perhaps

01:36:07.380 when you're

01:36:08.060 angry

01:36:08.360 for

01:36:08.840 like

01:36:09.020 a

01:36:09.140 20th

01:36:09.520 of

01:36:09.640 a

01:36:09.780 second

01:36:10.080 but

01:36:10.620 as

01:36:10.800 a

01:36:10.980 medium

01:36:11.300 to

01:36:11.560 long

01:36:11.900 term

01:36:12.180 political

01:36:12.660 strategy

01:36:13.260 I

01:36:14.160 wouldn't

01:36:14.400 recommend

01:36:14.840 it

01:36:15.080 it

01:36:15.600 doesn't

01:36:16.040 go

01:36:16.200 good

01:36:16.420 places

01:36:16.880 and

01:36:17.220 those

01:36:17.760 good

01:36:18.060 places

01:36:18.440 it

01:36:18.680 doesn't

01:36:19.000 go

01:36:19.200 are

01:36:19.400 really

01:36:19.880 really

01:36:20.420 really

01:36:21.000 not

01:36:21.580 good

01:36:22.000 and

01:36:22.920 so

01:36:23.200 let's

01:36:23.540 not

01:36:23.700 go

01:36:23.900 there

01:36:24.160 like

01:36:24.480 we

01:36:24.820 don't

01:36:25.000 need

01:36:25.260 to

01:36:25.440 go

01:36:25.620 there

01:36:25.840 again

01:36:26.360 yet

01:36:26.660 again

01:36:27.080 so

01:36:28.000 what's

01:36:35.140 an

01:36:35.280 issue

01:36:35.640 that

01:36:35.940 you

01:36:36.100 thought

01:36:36.560 you

01:36:36.780 had

01:36:36.940 figured

01:36:37.340 out

01:36:37.740 but

01:36:38.000 had

01:36:38.160 since

01:36:38.620 changed

01:36:39.120 your

01:36:39.320 mind

01:36:39.640 on

01:36:39.960 don't

01:36:43.100 say

01:36:43.260 punching

01:36:43.640 people

01:36:44.120 because

01:36:44.540 well

01:36:49.060 I

01:36:49.220 think

01:36:49.440 one

01:36:49.660 of

01:36:49.780 the

01:36:49.940 shifts

01:36:50.380 I

01:36:51.280 had

01:36:51.720 a

01:36:51.880 shift

01:36:52.160 when

01:36:52.480 I

01:36:52.580 was

01:36:52.720 talking

01:36:53.000 to

01:36:53.220 Sam

01:36:53.480 Harris

01:36:53.820 because

01:36:54.220 Harris

01:36:55.480 insists

01:36:56.400 that

01:36:56.700 values

01:36:57.220 can be

01:36:57.660 derived

01:36:58.080 from

01:36:58.380 facts

01:36:58.900 and

01:36:59.080 I've

01:36:59.260 been

01:36:59.380 kind

01:36:59.560 of

01:36:59.680 hammering

01:37:00.160 about

01:37:00.420 that

01:37:00.720 because

01:37:01.020 there's

01:37:02.280 a

01:37:02.440 way

01:37:02.700 in

01:37:02.880 which

01:37:03.060 that's

01:37:03.400 not

01:37:03.660 correct

01:37:04.220 but

01:37:05.080 when

01:37:05.460 I

01:37:05.600 was

01:37:05.780 thinking

01:37:06.060 about

01:37:06.360 how

01:37:06.520 to

01:37:06.660 communicate

01:37:07.060 with

01:37:07.420 him

01:37:07.640 and

01:37:08.180 to

01:37:08.440 move

01:37:08.640 the

01:37:08.820 communication

01:37:09.280 forward

01:37:09.720 I

01:37:10.480 realized

01:37:10.940 that

01:37:11.240 when I

01:37:12.540 wrote

01:37:12.780 my first

01:37:13.260 book

01:37:13.500 when I

01:37:13.740 wrote

01:37:13.880 Maps

01:37:14.160 of

01:37:14.280 Meaning

01:37:14.460 and it's

01:37:14.780 in 12

01:37:15.120 rules for

01:37:15.500 life

01:37:15.680 too

01:37:15.820 I was

01:37:16.220 actually trying

01:37:16.800 to derive

01:37:17.220 values

01:37:17.560 values from

01:37:17.780 facts

01:37:18.240 I was

01:37:18.940 doing it

01:37:19.540 in a

01:37:20.780 manner

01:37:21.120 that was

01:37:21.480 different

01:37:21.880 than he

01:37:22.300 recommended

01:37:22.900 and I

01:37:23.380 think

01:37:23.600 a more

01:37:23.880 suitable

01:37:24.220 manner

01:37:24.580 which

01:37:24.840 still

01:37:25.420 needs

01:37:25.800 to be

01:37:26.040 discussed

01:37:26.380 with

01:37:26.600 him

01:37:26.800 because

01:37:27.840 I

01:37:28.100 think

01:37:28.380 that

01:37:28.560 what

01:37:28.720 I

01:37:28.880 laid

01:37:29.140 out

01:37:29.360 is

01:37:29.540 how

01:37:29.780 values

01:37:30.320 were

01:37:30.540 derived

01:37:30.960 from

01:37:31.240 facts

01:37:31.700 over

01:37:32.040 the

01:37:32.300 evolutionary

01:37:33.000 timeline

01:37:33.860 rather

01:37:34.320 than

01:37:34.580 over

01:37:34.900 the

01:37:35.080 timeline

01:37:35.400 of a

01:37:35.700 single

01:37:35.940 life

01:37:36.380 you know

01:37:37.080 so

01:37:37.280 Sam

01:37:37.700 seems

01:37:38.420 to

01:37:38.620 think

01:37:38.920 and

01:37:39.580 maybe

01:37:39.920 this

01:37:40.120 is

01:37:40.260 wrong

01:37:40.520 that

01:37:41.120 the

01:37:41.400 facts

01:37:41.780 are

01:37:41.980 there

01:37:42.240 and

01:37:42.380 you

01:37:42.480 can

01:37:42.640 derive

01:37:42.940 values

01:37:43.380 from

01:37:43.620 them

01:37:43.820 and

01:37:44.360 I

01:37:44.540 think

01:37:44.820 no

01:37:45.340 the

01:37:45.540 facts

01:37:45.860 are

01:37:46.000 there

01:37:46.180 but

01:37:46.380 they

01:37:46.660 have

01:37:46.880 to

01:37:47.000 be

01:37:47.120 there

01:37:47.320 for

01:37:47.520 a

01:37:47.680 very

01:37:48.200 long

01:37:48.820 time

01:37:49.360 like

01:37:49.720 who

01:37:50.700 knows

01:37:51.000 how

01:37:51.180 long

01:37:51.460 a

01:37:51.800 million

01:37:52.140 years

01:37:52.560 five

01:37:52.960 million

01:37:53.300 years

01:37:53.640 ten

01:37:54.000 million

01:37:54.320 years

01:37:54.620 I

01:37:54.780 don't

01:37:54.960 know

01:37:55.240 for

01:37:56.100 you

01:37:57.020 to

01:37:57.240 derive

01:37:57.680 acceptable

01:37:59.020 values

01:37:59.480 from

01:37:59.680 the

01:37:59.860 facts

01:38:00.200 and

01:38:00.380 then

01:38:00.600 the

01:38:01.260 mechanism

01:38:02.440 by

01:38:02.760 which

01:38:03.040 those

01:38:03.300 values

01:38:03.640 are

01:38:03.840 derived

01:38:04.200 is

01:38:04.600 biologically

01:38:05.360 instantiated

01:38:06.280 and

01:38:06.480 it's

01:38:07.040 sorry

01:38:07.440 I know

01:38:07.720 this

01:38:07.900 is

01:38:08.020 very

01:38:08.200 complicated

01:38:08.680 but

01:38:09.000 and

01:38:09.660 then

01:38:12.940 which

01:38:13.060 facts

01:38:13.360 manifest

01:38:13.840 themselves

01:38:14.360 to

01:38:14.540 you

01:38:14.620 so

01:38:14.760 there

01:38:14.920 is

01:38:15.080 a

01:38:15.220 connection

01:38:15.580 between

01:38:15.940 facts

01:38:16.300 and

01:38:16.500 values

01:38:16.880 that

01:38:17.520 I

01:38:17.740 had

01:38:18.580 glossed

01:38:19.100 over

01:38:19.380 in

01:38:19.840 my

01:38:20.120 attempts

01:38:20.560 to

01:38:20.900 make

01:38:22.640 a case

01:38:23.200 for the

01:38:23.500 primacy

01:38:23.880 of

01:38:24.060 stories

01:38:24.460 instead

01:38:24.800 of

01:38:25.000 facts

01:38:25.420 so

01:38:25.960 that's

01:38:26.180 one

01:38:26.340 thing

01:38:26.520 that's

01:38:26.740 changed

01:38:27.020 very

01:38:27.300 recently

01:38:27.760 and

01:38:28.060 so

01:38:28.260 and

01:38:28.940 I

01:38:29.160 think

01:38:29.360 that

01:38:29.540 that's

01:38:29.940 been

01:38:30.420 helpful

01:38:30.800 and

01:38:31.120 I

01:38:31.340 think

01:38:31.680 it

01:38:31.800 makes

01:38:32.000 the

01:38:32.200 situation

01:38:32.640 clearer

01:38:33.160 I

01:38:33.700 think

01:38:33.880 it

01:38:34.000 also

01:38:34.260 perhaps

01:38:34.840 opens

01:38:35.280 the

01:38:35.500 door

01:38:35.760 for

01:38:36.480 a

01:38:36.920 more

01:38:37.560 profound

01:38:39.320 and

01:38:39.640 lasting

01:38:40.120 mediation

01:38:41.080 between

01:38:41.500 the

01:38:41.760 claims

01:38:42.060 of

01:38:42.260 the

01:38:42.400 atheists

01:38:42.940 and

01:38:43.140 the

01:38:43.280 claims

01:38:43.560 of

01:38:43.740 the

01:38:43.880 religious

01:38:44.260 I

01:38:44.800 think

01:38:44.960 there's

01:38:45.140 a

01:38:45.320 biological

01:38:45.900 solution

01:38:46.560 to

01:38:46.820 that

01:38:47.060 argument

01:38:47.480 so

01:38:48.280 well

01:38:49.300 so

01:38:49.600 that's

01:38:50.040 one

01:38:50.240 thing

01:38:50.480 that

01:38:50.640 I've

01:38:50.860 been

01:38:51.040 changing

01:38:51.580 my

01:38:51.800 mind

01:38:52.020 about

01:38:52.320 I

01:38:53.500 bet

01:38:53.640 you

01:38:53.760 didn't

01:38:53.980 expect

01:38:54.400 that

01:38:54.580 it

01:38:54.680 would

01:38:54.800 be

01:38:54.960 that

01:38:55.380 were

01:38:58.300 Kermit

01:38:58.660 the

01:38:58.820 frog

01:38:59.040 and

01:38:59.220 Miss

01:38:59.400 piggy

01:38:59.640 in

01:38:59.840 an

01:38:59.980 abusive

01:39:00.340 relationship

01:39:01.260 no

01:39:14.420 more

01:39:14.740 no

01:39:15.240 more

01:39:15.560 abusive

01:39:16.080 than

01:39:16.560 most

01:39:17.200 this

01:39:23.660 is

01:39:23.780 interesting

01:39:24.120 how

01:39:24.420 do

01:39:24.540 you

01:39:24.640 know

01:39:24.800 when

01:39:24.980 it's

01:39:25.180 time

01:39:25.480 to

01:39:25.740 cut

01:39:26.040 out

01:39:26.420 a

01:39:26.680 toxic

01:39:27.160 friend

01:39:27.720 right

01:39:30.040 right

01:39:30.440 right

01:39:30.760 well

01:39:30.940 that's

01:39:31.360 a

01:39:31.460 good

01:39:31.580 example

01:39:31.980 of

01:39:32.180 the

01:39:32.320 sort

01:39:32.500 of

01:39:32.600 thing

01:39:32.760 we

01:39:32.920 were

01:39:33.060 talking

01:39:33.340 about

01:39:33.560 tonight

01:39:33.840 right

01:39:34.140 when

01:39:34.360 do

01:39:34.460 you

01:39:34.520 cut

01:39:34.660 your

01:39:34.800 losses

01:39:35.160 that's

01:39:35.920 a

01:39:36.020 good

01:39:36.160 example

01:39:36.600 of

01:39:36.840 that

01:39:37.020 terrible

01:39:37.540 tension

01:39:39.660 between

01:39:40.240 structure

01:39:41.480 and the

01:39:41.920 continuation

01:39:42.320 of the

01:39:42.880 same

01:39:43.080 thing

01:39:43.380 and

01:39:43.540 transformation

01:39:44.240 well

01:39:51.020 I

01:39:51.280 can

01:39:51.580 tell

01:39:53.040 you

01:39:53.240 an

01:39:53.460 answer

01:39:53.680 to

01:39:53.820 that

01:39:54.020 in

01:39:55.140 bits

01:39:55.660 see

01:39:56.440 I

01:39:56.620 can't

01:39:56.920 give

01:39:57.120 a

01:39:57.820 canonical

01:39:58.560 answer

01:39:59.000 to

01:39:59.180 that

01:39:59.360 because

01:39:59.620 the

01:39:59.820 devil

01:40:00.040 is

01:40:00.180 always

01:40:00.400 in

01:40:00.600 the

01:40:00.720 details

01:40:01.180 right

01:40:01.500 so

01:40:01.780 if

01:40:02.660 I

01:40:02.980 was

01:40:03.160 dealing

01:40:03.380 with

01:40:03.640 that

01:40:04.360 problem

01:40:04.800 in

01:40:05.100 a

01:40:05.200 clinical

01:40:05.480 setting

01:40:05.960 I'd

01:40:06.600 have

01:40:06.760 the

01:40:06.920 person

01:40:07.240 lay

01:40:07.520 out

01:40:07.720 the

01:40:07.920 whole

01:40:08.120 story

01:40:08.520 of

01:40:08.700 the

01:40:08.900 friendship

01:40:09.500 and

01:40:10.680 then

01:40:10.820 lay

01:40:11.100 out

01:40:11.300 their

01:40:11.480 strategies

01:40:11.980 for

01:40:12.220 dealing

01:40:12.480 with

01:40:12.720 it

01:40:12.880 and

01:40:13.280 then

01:40:13.420 lay

01:40:13.640 out

01:40:13.800 a

01:40:13.940 set

01:40:14.100 of

01:40:14.240 potential

01:40:14.760 strategies

01:40:15.420 and

01:40:16.140 if

01:40:16.280 we

01:40:16.400 couldn't

01:40:16.680 come

01:40:16.900 up

01:40:17.060 with

01:40:17.180 a

01:40:17.320 potential

01:40:17.680 strategy

01:40:18.200 that

01:40:18.440 seemed

01:40:18.720 implementable

01:40:19.460 that

01:40:19.680 would

01:40:19.840 salvage

01:40:20.200 the

01:40:20.360 relationship

01:40:20.820 then

01:40:21.160 we

01:40:21.300 would

01:40:21.460 decide

01:40:21.780 that

01:40:21.960 perhaps

01:40:22.600 we

01:40:22.920 could

01:40:23.180 explore

01:40:23.580 stepping

01:40:23.960 away

01:40:24.240 from

01:40:24.460 it

01:40:24.640 but

01:40:25.140 the

01:40:25.320 devil's

01:40:25.700 in

01:40:25.800 the

01:40:25.960 details

01:40:26.420 right

01:40:26.720 that's

01:40:27.120 a

01:40:27.240 very

01:40:27.420 particularized

01:40:28.540 solution

01:40:29.220 and so

01:40:30.120 trying to

01:40:30.620 extract out

01:40:31.220 a general

01:40:31.640 rule of

01:40:32.020 thumb

01:40:32.220 from that

01:40:32.620 is

01:40:32.780 dangerous

01:40:33.320 but

01:40:34.160 having

01:40:35.400 said that

01:40:35.900 I can

01:40:36.180 give you

01:40:36.480 some

01:40:36.840 general

01:40:37.700 rules

01:40:38.100 of

01:40:38.280 thumb

01:40:38.580 so

01:40:39.180 if

01:40:40.180 you're

01:40:40.340 dealing

01:40:40.540 with

01:40:40.740 an

01:40:40.880 intransigent

01:40:41.620 family

01:40:42.200 member

01:40:42.680 let's

01:40:43.120 say

01:40:43.280 who's

01:40:43.620 stuck

01:40:44.000 in

01:40:44.280 a

01:40:44.600 rut

01:40:45.340 and

01:40:45.920 maybe

01:40:46.120 is

01:40:46.320 complaining

01:40:46.660 about

01:40:46.940 the

01:40:47.120 rut

01:40:47.300 all the

01:40:47.640 time

01:40:47.900 but

01:40:48.060 doesn't

01:40:48.300 do

01:40:48.420 anything

01:40:48.660 to

01:40:48.880 change

01:40:49.240 it

01:40:49.460 and

01:40:50.020 you've

01:40:50.280 suggested

01:40:50.820 changes

01:40:52.000 and

01:40:52.840 you've

01:40:53.100 suggested

01:40:53.560 them

01:40:53.840 three

01:40:54.180 times

01:40:54.700 and

01:40:55.240 nothing

01:40:56.140 has

01:40:56.380 happened

01:40:56.800 then

01:40:57.380 I

01:40:57.540 would

01:40:57.720 say

01:40:58.100 stop

01:40:59.340 suggesting

01:41:00.020 changes

01:41:00.740 and

01:41:02.060 because

01:41:02.480 there's

01:41:03.280 an old

01:41:03.620 there's

01:41:04.080 a New

01:41:04.300 Testament

01:41:04.640 statement

01:41:05.560 don't

01:41:06.040 cast

01:41:06.420 pearls

01:41:06.860 before

01:41:07.320 swine

01:41:07.920 and

01:41:08.640 which

01:41:09.060 is a

01:41:09.240 very

01:41:09.380 rough

01:41:09.640 statement

01:41:10.120 man

01:41:10.480 it's

01:41:10.760 really

01:41:11.100 it's

01:41:11.520 a

01:41:11.640 harsh

01:41:11.880 statement

01:41:12.320 and

01:41:12.760 I've

01:41:12.920 spent

01:41:13.120 a lot

01:41:13.360 of

01:41:13.480 time

01:41:13.640 thinking

01:41:13.920 about

01:41:14.180 it

01:41:14.280 because

01:41:14.480 it's

01:41:14.740 so

01:41:14.920 harsh

01:41:15.240 it's

01:41:15.700 like

01:41:15.820 okay

01:41:16.040 what does

01:41:16.320 that

01:41:16.500 mean

01:41:16.780 it

01:41:17.300 means

01:41:17.660 if

01:41:19.460 people

01:41:19.840 aren't

01:41:20.100 listening

01:41:20.420 to

01:41:20.680 you

01:41:20.820 then

01:41:21.020 shut

01:41:21.360 up

01:41:21.660 because

01:41:23.720 you're

01:41:23.960 not

01:41:24.120 where

01:41:24.300 you

01:41:24.440 think

01:41:24.700 you

01:41:24.900 are

01:41:25.180 right

01:41:25.700 because

01:41:26.080 if

01:41:26.440 you're

01:41:26.540 having

01:41:26.720 a

01:41:26.900 conversation

01:41:27.500 and

01:41:27.780 it's

01:41:27.940 a

01:41:28.040 real

01:41:28.200 conversation

01:41:28.840 then

01:41:29.260 I'm

01:41:30.360 listening

01:41:30.620 to

01:41:30.820 you

01:41:30.940 and

01:41:31.060 you're

01:41:31.220 listening

01:41:31.480 to

01:41:31.660 me

01:41:31.880 and

01:41:32.340 if

01:41:32.460 I'm

01:41:32.660 talking

01:41:33.020 and

01:41:33.200 you're

01:41:33.340 not

01:41:33.520 listening

01:41:33.920 then

01:41:34.740 I'm

01:41:35.320 not

01:41:35.540 where

01:41:35.800 I

01:41:35.960 think

01:41:36.300 I

01:41:36.540 am

01:41:36.880 and

01:41:37.740 so

01:41:37.900 there's

01:41:38.080 just

01:41:38.260 no

01:41:38.460 sense

01:41:38.760 doing

01:41:39.040 it

01:41:39.160 again

01:41:39.400 now

01:41:39.680 you

01:41:40.480 can

01:41:41.000 also

01:41:41.300 sometimes

01:41:41.900 suggest

01:41:43.020 to

01:41:43.180 the

01:41:43.300 person

01:41:43.560 that

01:41:43.900 they

01:41:44.180 don't

01:41:44.520 tell

01:41:44.800 you

01:41:45.000 that

01:41:45.240 problem

01:41:45.740 anymore

01:41:46.280 it's

01:41:47.000 like

01:41:47.140 tell

01:41:47.680 you

01:41:47.840 what

01:41:48.060 you

01:41:48.600 have

01:41:48.780 this

01:41:48.960 problem

01:41:49.320 I've

01:41:49.620 heard

01:41:49.780 about

01:41:50.040 it

01:41:50.240 eight

01:41:51.380 times

01:41:52.000 I've

01:41:53.380 made

01:41:53.580 some

01:41:53.820 suggestions

01:41:54.420 none

01:41:55.660 of

01:41:55.820 them

01:41:55.960 were

01:41:56.120 implemented

01:41:56.620 we'll

01:41:57.680 make

01:41:57.860 a

01:41:57.960 deal

01:41:58.180 you

01:41:58.800 don't

01:41:59.100 tell

01:41:59.320 me

01:41:59.460 the

01:41:59.620 problem

01:42:00.040 anymore

01:42:00.580 and

01:42:00.980 I

01:42:01.100 won't

01:42:01.340 tell

01:42:01.580 you

01:42:01.800 any

01:42:02.380 solutions

01:42:02.880 to

01:42:03.160 it

01:42:03.360 and

01:42:04.240 then

01:42:04.420 often

01:42:05.140 what

01:42:05.380 happens

01:42:05.840 because

01:42:06.220 of

01:42:06.460 that

01:42:06.700 is

01:42:06.980 and

01:42:08.420 then

01:42:08.540 you

01:42:08.640 have

01:42:08.800 to

01:42:08.940 enforce

01:42:09.340 it

01:42:09.680 right

01:42:10.140 because

01:42:10.500 they'll

01:42:10.720 try to

01:42:11.100 tell

01:42:11.260 you

01:42:11.360 the

01:42:11.500 problems

01:42:11.880 a few

01:42:12.180 more

01:42:12.380 times

01:42:12.740 you

01:42:13.240 have

01:42:13.440 to

01:42:13.580 enforce

01:42:13.920 it

01:42:14.220 often

01:42:16.140 what

01:42:16.360 happens

01:42:16.740 in

01:42:16.880 that

01:42:17.040 situation

01:42:17.580 is

01:42:17.820 the

01:42:17.960 person

01:42:18.240 will

01:42:18.420 go

01:42:18.580 away

01:42:18.780 and

01:42:18.960 think

01:42:19.380 you

01:42:20.560 know

01:42:20.660 because

01:42:20.960 it's

01:42:21.380 it's

01:42:22.540 the

01:42:22.900 psychologists

01:42:23.420 often

01:42:23.860 call

01:42:24.140 this

01:42:24.340 enabling

01:42:24.820 like

01:42:25.200 if

01:42:25.380 you

01:42:25.600 allow

01:42:26.240 the

01:42:26.440 person

01:42:26.760 to

01:42:27.140 complain

01:42:28.460 about

01:42:28.760 the

01:42:29.000 same

01:42:29.260 problem

01:42:29.700 without

01:42:29.960 changing

01:42:30.580 and

01:42:30.820 just

01:42:31.080 complaining

01:42:31.520 and

01:42:31.920 you

01:42:32.100 listen

01:42:32.560 then

01:42:33.740 you're

01:42:34.660 allowing

01:42:35.180 what

01:42:35.820 you're

01:42:36.020 doing

01:42:36.200 is

01:42:36.380 allowing

01:42:36.700 them

01:42:36.940 to

01:42:37.240 pretend

01:42:37.820 to

01:42:38.000 themselves

01:42:38.360 that

01:42:38.580 they're

01:42:38.720 trying

01:42:38.920 to

01:42:39.060 look

01:42:39.200 for

01:42:39.340 a

01:42:39.480 solution

01:42:39.820 because

01:42:41.020 by

01:42:41.280 telling

01:42:41.540 you

01:42:41.720 about

01:42:41.920 the

01:42:42.080 problem

01:42:42.460 part

01:42:43.500 of

01:42:43.620 what

01:42:43.760 they're

01:42:43.920 doing

01:42:44.180 is

01:42:44.580 acting

01:42:46.260 as if

01:42:46.800 complaining

01:42:47.540 about

01:42:47.840 it

01:42:48.000 is

01:42:48.320 a

01:42:48.480 solution

01:42:48.840 to

01:42:49.060 the

01:42:49.180 problem

01:42:49.500 but

01:42:49.980 it

01:42:50.080 isn't

01:42:50.320 because

01:42:50.540 nothing's

01:42:50.920 happening

01:42:51.280 but

01:42:51.820 if

01:42:51.940 you're

01:42:52.100 listening

01:42:52.440 then

01:42:52.680 you're

01:42:52.960 acting

01:42:53.360 out

01:42:53.620 the

01:42:53.820 part

01:42:54.040 of

01:42:54.160 someone

01:42:54.360 who

01:42:54.520 agrees

01:42:54.960 with

01:42:55.160 the

01:42:55.320 proposition

01:42:55.700 that

01:42:56.020 they're

01:42:56.160 trying

01:42:56.360 to

01:42:56.480 work

01:42:56.640 towards

01:42:56.920 a

01:42:57.060 solution

01:42:57.380 and

01:42:57.960 if

01:42:58.080 you

01:42:58.180 just

01:42:58.360 say

01:42:58.600 hey

01:42:59.340 I'm

01:42:59.460 not

01:42:59.600 doing

01:42:59.780 that

01:42:59.960 anymore

01:43:00.300 then

01:43:01.100 you've

01:43:01.400 deprived

01:43:01.840 them

01:43:02.160 of

01:43:02.300 one

01:43:02.500 piece

01:43:02.740 of

01:43:02.880 evidence

01:43:03.200 that

01:43:03.420 that's

01:43:03.640 a

01:43:03.740 useful

01:43:04.020 solution

01:43:04.580 especially

01:43:05.280 if

01:43:05.480 you

01:43:05.580 actually

01:43:05.860 love

01:43:06.160 them

01:43:06.360 too

01:43:06.540 because

01:43:06.820 then

01:43:07.040 you're

01:43:07.200 a

01:43:07.300 credible

01:43:07.560 source

01:43:08.000 and

01:43:08.560 then

01:43:08.680 maybe

01:43:08.840 they

01:43:08.980 have

01:43:09.120 to

01:43:09.220 go

01:43:09.320 back

01:43:09.500 and

01:43:09.640 think

01:43:09.900 it's

01:43:10.060 like

01:43:10.200 oh

01:43:10.340 I

01:43:10.480 see

01:43:10.660 that

01:43:10.820 person

01:43:11.120 won't

01:43:11.320 put

01:43:11.500 up

01:43:11.620 with

01:43:11.760 my

01:43:11.920 nonsense

01:43:12.200 anymore

01:43:12.720 now

01:43:13.440 they're

01:43:13.560 not

01:43:13.660 going

01:43:13.780 to be

01:43:13.920 happy

01:43:14.220 about

01:43:14.480 that

01:43:14.820 but

01:43:15.300 well

01:43:15.940 some

01:43:16.200 part

01:43:17.380 of

01:43:17.580 them

01:43:17.720 will

01:43:17.900 be

01:43:18.100 but

01:43:18.440 then

01:43:18.600 sometimes

01:43:19.000 they'll

01:43:19.260 think

01:43:19.580 and

01:43:19.720 then

01:43:19.880 sometimes

01:43:20.200 they'll

01:43:20.380 come

01:43:20.520 back

01:43:20.740 to

01:43:20.860 you

01:43:20.960 with

01:43:21.100 a

01:43:21.220 different

01:43:21.520 take

01:43:22.360 it

01:43:22.660 might

01:43:22.820 take

01:43:23.060 a

01:43:23.160 while

01:43:23.320 it

01:43:23.420 might

01:43:23.540 take

01:43:23.720 three

01:43:23.940 months

01:43:24.200 it

01:43:24.320 might

01:43:24.460 take

01:43:24.680 six

01:43:24.920 months

01:43:25.160 but

01:43:25.360 that

01:43:25.780 will

01:43:25.920 often

01:43:26.240 move

01:43:26.600 something

01:43:27.060 so

01:43:27.940 that

01:43:28.660 would

01:43:28.800 be

01:43:28.940 a

01:43:29.100 small

01:43:29.500 scale

01:43:29.980 step

01:43:30.380 away

01:43:30.720 then

01:43:31.720 I

01:43:31.840 would

01:43:31.960 say

01:43:32.160 too

01:43:32.400 is

01:43:32.560 like

01:43:32.780 here's

01:43:33.840 another

01:43:34.380 hint

01:43:34.780 this

01:43:35.100 is

01:43:35.240 a

01:43:35.380 broader

01:43:35.640 hint

01:43:35.960 for

01:43:36.140 your

01:43:36.300 life

01:43:36.560 in

01:43:36.740 general

01:43:37.120 it's

01:43:38.360 like

01:43:38.500 let's

01:43:38.740 say

01:43:38.860 you

01:43:38.980 have

01:43:39.140 a

01:43:39.280 person

01:43:39.560 who's

01:43:40.360 burdening

01:43:40.960 you

01:43:41.140 a

01:43:41.380 lot

01:43:41.740 and

01:43:42.700 it

01:43:43.040 looks

01:43:43.220 kind

01:43:43.440 of

01:43:43.540 counterproductive

01:43:44.260 in that

01:43:44.640 it's

01:43:44.860 hurting

01:43:45.140 you

01:43:45.440 and

01:43:45.620 it's

01:43:45.760 not

01:43:45.900 helping

01:43:46.200 them

01:43:46.500 because

01:43:47.260 that's

01:43:47.500 kind

01:43:47.640 of

01:43:47.700 the

01:43:48.140 calculus

01:43:49.080 you're

01:43:49.440 making

01:43:49.740 right

01:43:49.980 when

01:43:51.200 you're

01:43:51.620 talking

01:43:51.860 about

01:43:52.040 a

01:43:52.180 toxic

01:43:52.520 friend

01:43:52.940 it's

01:43:53.160 like

01:43:53.300 the

01:43:53.440 friend's

01:43:53.700 life

01:43:53.880 is

01:43:54.020 all

01:43:54.200 screwed

01:43:54.500 up

01:43:54.800 and

01:43:55.680 that's

01:43:56.080 bad

01:43:56.400 but

01:43:57.000 then

01:43:57.240 that's

01:43:57.880 screwing

01:43:58.180 up

01:43:58.320 your

01:43:58.500 life

01:43:58.800 and

01:43:58.940 maybe

01:43:59.180 that's

01:43:59.500 acceptable

01:43:59.940 if

01:44:07.120 helpful

01:44:07.400 it's

01:44:08.240 like

01:44:08.380 so

01:44:08.660 how

01:44:09.480 can

01:44:09.660 you

01:44:09.800 tell

01:44:09.980 when

01:44:10.160 you

01:44:10.280 should

01:44:10.440 step

01:44:10.700 away

01:44:10.940 from

01:44:11.120 that

01:44:11.380 and

01:44:11.960 I

01:44:12.080 would

01:44:12.240 say

01:44:12.560 notice

01:44:13.520 if

01:44:13.800 you're

01:44:14.020 resentful

01:44:14.660 but

01:44:16.200 I

01:44:16.320 would

01:44:16.460 also

01:44:16.740 say

01:44:16.980 especially

01:44:17.340 to

01:44:17.560 you

01:44:17.720 agreeable

01:44:18.200 types

01:44:18.540 who

01:44:18.720 are

01:44:18.840 always

01:44:19.040 trying

01:44:19.260 to

01:44:19.400 help

01:44:19.600 other

01:44:19.800 people

01:44:20.180 and

01:44:20.920 who

01:44:22.020 will

01:44:22.180 sacrifice

01:44:22.660 yourself

01:44:23.260 to

01:44:23.620 do

01:44:23.800 that

01:44:24.120 watch

01:44:25.800 your

01:44:26.020 resentment

01:44:26.480 because

01:44:27.800 agreeable

01:44:28.280 people

01:44:28.540 get

01:44:28.760 resentful

01:44:29.340 and

01:44:29.540 the

01:44:29.660 reason

01:44:29.860 they

01:44:30.000 get

01:44:30.120 resentful

01:44:30.540 is

01:44:30.680 because

01:44:30.800 they

01:44:30.980 allow

01:44:31.460 themselves

01:44:32.040 to

01:44:32.360 be

01:44:32.560 taken

01:44:32.900 advantage

01:44:33.360 of

01:44:33.560 might

01:44:33.940 also

01:44:34.140 because

01:44:34.440 they're

01:44:34.700 whiny

01:44:35.020 and

01:44:35.200 immature

01:44:35.500 and

01:44:35.820 so

01:44:35.940 you

01:44:36.060 ask

01:44:36.320 yourself

01:44:36.640 that

01:44:36.920 first

01:44:37.220 I'm

01:44:37.620 resentful

01:44:38.100 maybe

01:44:38.680 I'm

01:44:38.940 whiny

01:44:39.220 and

01:44:39.860 immature

01:44:40.200 then

01:44:41.020 you

01:44:41.140 can

01:44:41.220 go

01:44:41.340 ask

01:44:41.640 someone

01:44:41.980 here's

01:44:42.620 the

01:44:42.760 issue

01:44:43.160 I'm

01:44:43.840 resentful

01:44:44.440 am

01:44:44.820 I

01:44:44.960 being

01:44:45.180 whiny

01:44:45.520 and

01:44:45.700 immature

01:44:46.120 and

01:44:46.620 they

01:44:46.720 might

01:44:46.900 say

01:44:47.100 yes

01:44:47.460 and

01:44:47.620 then

01:44:47.740 you

01:44:47.880 should

01:44:48.040 fix

01:44:48.340 that

01:44:48.620 but

01:44:49.120 they

01:44:49.380 might

01:44:49.620 also

01:44:49.900 say

01:44:50.160 no

01:44:50.440 you're

01:44:50.740 being

01:44:50.900 taken

01:44:51.160 advantage

01:44:51.560 of

01:44:51.960 it's

01:44:52.740 like

01:44:52.880 well

01:44:53.040 if

01:44:53.180 you're

01:44:53.320 being

01:44:53.520 taken

01:44:53.800 advantage

01:44:54.240 of

01:44:54.560 stop

01:44:55.560 being

01:44:56.240 taken

01:44:56.660 advantage

01:44:57.100 of

01:44:57.520 because

01:44:58.100 it's

01:44:58.380 not

01:44:58.640 acceptable

01:44:59.480 for you

01:45:00.080 to allow

01:45:00.600 yourself

01:45:01.040 to be

01:45:01.380 taken

01:45:01.640 advantage

01:45:02.060 of

01:45:02.340 in

01:45:03.160 in

01:45:03.480 rule

01:45:03.700 two

01:45:03.960 I

01:45:04.140 laid

01:45:04.360 out

01:45:04.540 this

01:45:04.800 proposition

01:45:05.340 that

01:45:05.620 you

01:45:05.760 should

01:45:05.980 act

01:45:06.720 towards

01:45:07.060 yourself

01:45:07.500 like

01:45:08.160 you're

01:45:08.340 someone

01:45:08.600 responsible

01:45:09.140 for

01:45:09.440 helping

01:45:09.800 it's

01:45:10.380 like

01:45:10.500 you

01:45:10.600 have

01:45:10.720 an

01:45:10.820 ethical

01:45:11.100 duty

01:45:11.440 to

01:45:11.640 yourself

01:45:12.060 to

01:45:12.280 not

01:45:12.600 be

01:45:12.820 taken

01:45:13.160 advantage

01:45:13.620 of

01:45:13.820 it's

01:45:13.980 not

01:45:14.100 helpful

01:45:14.560 to

01:45:14.780 other

01:45:14.960 people

01:45:15.220 to

01:45:15.420 allow

01:45:15.660 them

01:45:15.820 to

01:45:15.980 take

01:45:16.180 advantage

01:45:16.560 of

01:45:16.740 you

01:45:16.800 maybe

01:45:17.160 if

01:45:17.360 they're

01:45:17.520 six-month-old

01:45:18.220 infants

01:45:18.780 because

01:45:19.820 they

01:45:20.320 will

01:45:20.560 take

01:45:20.800 advantage

01:45:21.140 of

01:45:21.340 you

01:45:21.440 because

01:45:21.660 what

01:45:21.860 the

01:45:21.980 hell

01:45:22.100 choice

01:45:22.420 do

01:45:22.580 they

01:45:22.720 have

01:45:23.000 but

01:45:23.500 if

01:45:23.620 they're

01:45:23.740 like

01:45:23.900 35

01:45:24.400 year

01:45:24.740 old

01:45:25.040 brother

01:45:27.060 it's

01:45:27.880 like

01:45:28.000 he's

01:45:28.180 not

01:45:28.340 a

01:45:28.480 six-month-old

01:45:29.100 infant

01:45:29.520 you

01:45:30.420 don't

01:45:30.560 have

01:45:30.740 to

01:45:30.860 let

01:45:31.040 him

01:45:31.140 take

01:45:31.360 advantage

01:45:31.780 of

01:45:32.020 you

01:45:32.160 and

01:45:32.600 if

01:45:32.740 you're

01:45:32.940 resentful

01:45:33.580 you're

01:45:34.080 going

01:45:34.160 to

01:45:34.240 get

01:45:34.420 brutal

01:45:34.860 because

01:45:36.580 resentful

01:45:37.060 people

01:45:37.340 take

01:45:37.620 revenge

01:45:38.220 and

01:45:39.160 they

01:45:39.280 do

01:45:39.420 it

01:45:39.540 in

01:45:39.680 subtle

01:45:40.400 and

01:45:40.660 not

01:45:40.920 so

01:45:41.140 subtle

01:45:41.500 ways

01:45:42.060 and

01:45:42.660 so

01:45:42.820 once

01:45:43.080 you

01:45:44.040 hit

01:45:44.220 the

01:45:44.420 point

01:45:44.780 of

01:45:45.000 resentment

01:45:45.620 assuming

01:45:46.400 you're

01:45:46.600 not

01:45:46.740 being

01:45:46.960 whiny

01:45:47.240 and

01:45:47.420 immature

01:45:47.720 then

01:45:48.780 you

01:45:48.880 have

01:45:49.020 to

01:45:49.140 make

01:45:49.300 a

01:45:49.420 decision

01:45:49.800 and

01:45:50.000 the

01:45:50.140 decision

01:45:50.460 might

01:45:50.760 be

01:45:51.000 should

01:45:51.360 be

01:45:51.620 I'm

01:45:52.260 not

01:45:52.420 being

01:45:52.580 taken

01:45:52.820 advantage

01:45:53.200 of

01:45:53.380 anymore

01:45:53.740 and

01:45:54.940 so

01:45:55.080 then

01:45:55.260 you

01:45:55.380 take

01:45:55.640 your

01:45:55.800 toxic

01:45:56.220 friend

01:45:56.580 who's

01:45:56.840 taking

01:45:57.160 advantage

01:45:57.600 of

01:45:57.800 you

01:45:57.900 and

01:45:58.060 say

01:45:58.280 look

01:45:58.660 you

01:45:59.880 took

01:46:00.100 advantage

01:46:00.460 of

01:46:00.640 me

01:46:00.780 this

01:46:01.100 way

01:46:01.420 and

01:46:02.840 then

01:46:02.980 you

01:46:03.120 did

01:46:03.300 it

01:46:03.420 again

01:46:03.920 this

01:46:04.600 way

01:46:04.880 and

01:46:05.820 then

01:46:06.000 you

01:46:06.160 did

01:46:06.320 it

01:46:06.460 again

01:46:06.760 this

01:46:07.160 way

01:46:07.380 you

01:46:07.660 need

01:46:07.840 three

01:46:08.040 pieces

01:46:08.400 of

01:46:08.580 evidence

01:46:08.940 by

01:46:09.180 the

01:46:09.280 way

01:46:09.400 you

01:46:09.540 can't

01:46:09.800 just

01:46:09.940 go

01:46:10.120 after

01:46:10.360 the

01:46:10.520 person

01:46:10.800 with

01:46:10.980 one

01:46:11.160 piece

01:46:11.380 of

01:46:11.520 evidence

01:46:11.800 because

01:46:12.020 they'll

01:46:12.220 just

01:46:12.400 rationalize

01:46:13.040 it

01:46:13.140 away

01:46:13.380 you've

01:46:13.960 got to

01:46:14.140 collect

01:46:14.420 your

01:46:14.580 damn

01:46:14.820 evidence

01:46:15.200 it

01:46:15.360 also

01:46:15.580 works

01:46:15.860 well

01:46:16.080 in

01:46:16.220 the

01:46:16.320 workplace

01:46:16.660 or

01:46:16.940 whenever

01:46:17.160 you

01:46:17.320 have

01:46:17.460 an

01:46:17.580 argument

01:46:17.920 with

01:46:18.160 someone

01:46:18.440 one

01:46:19.860 transgression

01:46:20.500 you

01:46:20.740 ignore

01:46:21.180 two

01:46:21.940 transgressions

01:46:22.700 you

01:46:22.900 note

01:46:23.300 three

01:46:23.920 transgressions

01:46:24.740 you

01:46:24.920 communicate

01:46:25.640 and

01:46:26.300 then

01:46:26.460 it

01:46:26.800 makes

01:46:27.020 you

01:46:27.120 very

01:46:27.380 deadly

01:46:27.800 because

01:46:28.160 you

01:46:28.340 say

01:46:28.520 you

01:46:29.060 did

01:46:29.320 this

01:46:29.740 they

01:46:30.080 say

01:46:30.240 no

01:46:30.400 I

01:46:30.520 didn't

01:46:30.820 I

01:46:30.980 said

01:46:31.100 yeah

01:46:31.660 you

01:46:32.940 did

01:46:33.300 and

01:46:34.180 then

01:46:34.320 you

01:46:34.480 did

01:46:34.660 this

01:46:34.920 which

01:46:35.140 was

01:46:35.340 the

01:46:35.560 same

01:46:35.820 thing

01:46:36.260 and

01:46:36.640 then

01:46:36.760 I

01:46:36.880 didn't

01:46:37.060 even

01:46:37.240 say

01:46:37.440 anything

01:46:37.700 then

01:46:37.960 because

01:46:38.160 I'm

01:46:38.340 so

01:46:38.560 patient

01:46:39.140 and

01:46:40.020 then

01:46:40.180 you

01:46:40.380 did

01:46:40.600 this

01:46:41.220 which

01:46:41.840 was

01:46:42.040 the

01:46:42.300 same

01:46:42.620 thing

01:46:42.940 again

01:46:43.400 and

01:46:43.960 then

01:46:44.140 it's

01:46:44.540 almost

01:46:44.800 invariably

01:46:45.400 the

01:46:45.600 case

01:46:45.820 that

01:46:46.000 the

01:46:46.140 person

01:46:46.420 can't

01:46:46.780 come

01:46:46.940 up

01:46:47.140 with

01:46:47.360 enough

01:46:48.080 rationalizations

01:46:49.120 that

01:46:49.420 quickly

01:46:49.780 to

01:46:49.980 justify

01:46:50.460 doing

01:46:50.800 three

01:46:51.140 of

01:46:51.380 the

01:46:51.520 same

01:46:51.720 things

01:46:52.060 in

01:46:52.200 different

01:46:52.440 contexts

01:46:53.040 you

01:46:53.460 usually

01:46:53.780 win

01:46:54.140 if

01:46:54.320 you're

01:46:54.460 that

01:46:54.640 patient

01:46:55.020 and

01:46:55.420 that's

01:46:55.620 a good

01:46:55.800 way

01:46:55.980 of

01:46:56.120 also

01:46:56.420 dealing

01:46:56.720 with

01:46:56.920 your

01:46:57.060 resentment

01:46:57.480 but

01:46:58.400 so

01:46:58.600 I

01:46:58.740 would

01:46:58.880 say

01:46:59.200 if

01:47:00.100 you're

01:47:00.300 being

01:47:00.520 taken

01:47:00.820 advantage

01:47:01.260 of

01:47:01.560 you're

01:47:01.840 going

01:47:01.940 to

01:47:02.020 get

01:47:02.160 resentful

01:47:02.680 and

01:47:02.880 that

01:47:03.080 resentment

01:47:03.460 is

01:47:03.720 so

01:47:03.980 useful

01:47:04.380 especially

01:47:04.800 to

01:47:05.040 agreeable

01:47:05.460 people

01:47:05.740 that

01:47:05.940 you

01:47:06.060 can't

01:47:06.340 believe

01:47:06.520 it

01:47:06.620 it's

01:47:06.760 one

01:47:06.900 of

01:47:06.960 those

01:47:07.120 things

01:47:07.320 you

01:47:07.440 don't

01:47:07.640 want

01:47:07.800 to

01:47:07.900 look

01:47:08.080 at

01:47:08.240 because

01:47:08.420 it'll

01:47:08.600 hurt

01:47:08.820 your

01:47:09.020 vision

01:47:09.380 because

01:47:10.140 you

01:47:10.220 think

01:47:10.400 well

01:47:10.600 I'm

01:47:11.240 such

01:47:11.460 a

01:47:11.580 nice

01:47:11.760 person

01:47:12.120 I

01:47:12.300 can't

01:47:12.580 be

01:47:12.700 resentful

01:47:13.200 it's

01:47:13.360 like

01:47:13.480 you

01:47:13.920 are

01:47:14.080 not

01:47:14.320 that

01:47:14.600 nice

01:47:15.020 don't

01:47:15.580 kid

01:47:15.800 yourself

01:47:16.300 so

01:47:17.680 you're

01:47:17.960 not

01:47:18.360 and

01:47:18.760 so

01:47:19.280 then

01:47:20.320 you

01:47:20.480 can

01:47:20.640 consult

01:47:21.040 your

01:47:21.280 resentment

01:47:21.700 and

01:47:22.040 in

01:47:22.280 that

01:47:22.480 you

01:47:22.660 can

01:47:22.800 find

01:47:23.020 the

01:47:23.180 strength

01:47:23.460 to

01:47:23.660 defend

01:47:23.980 yourself

01:47:24.420 and

01:47:24.980 that

01:47:25.160 can

01:47:25.380 separate

01:47:25.840 you

01:47:26.120 from

01:47:26.300 people

01:47:26.580 who

01:47:26.740 will

01:47:26.880 pull

01:47:27.220 you

01:47:27.400 down

01:47:27.760 you

01:47:28.700 know

01:47:28.820 how

01:47:28.980 you

01:47:29.220 approach

01:47:30.600 someone

01:47:30.920 who's

01:47:31.160 drowning

01:47:31.520 and

01:47:31.780 panicking

01:47:32.280 like

01:47:33.880 this

01:47:34.300 right

01:47:35.780 and

01:47:36.580 so

01:47:36.720 you

01:47:36.860 come

01:47:37.020 up

01:47:37.160 to

01:47:37.260 them

01:47:37.420 and

01:47:37.520 you

01:47:37.660 say

01:47:37.960 weirdly

01:47:39.000 because

01:47:39.280 they're

01:47:39.460 drowning

01:47:39.820 you

01:47:40.480 say

01:47:40.820 calm

01:47:42.080 down

01:47:42.440 because

01:47:43.680 I'm

01:47:44.040 not

01:47:44.220 dying

01:47:44.540 with

01:47:44.800 you

01:47:45.040 right

01:47:46.520 and

01:47:47.340 then

01:47:47.480 if

01:47:47.640 they

01:47:47.760 come

01:47:47.980 and

01:47:48.160 grab

01:47:48.660 onto

01:47:48.880 you

01:47:49.020 push

01:47:49.380 them

01:47:49.560 away

01:47:49.840 because

01:47:50.480 them

01:47:50.920 dead

01:47:51.180 and

01:47:51.480 you

01:47:51.660 dead

01:47:51.980 that's

01:47:52.820 not

01:47:53.120 better

01:47:53.480 than

01:47:53.720 just

01:47:54.040 them

01:47:54.360 dead

01:47:54.740 right

01:47:56.640 right

01:47:57.340 exactly

01:47:57.920 and

01:47:58.260 so

01:47:58.460 it's

01:47:58.660 the

01:47:58.820 same

01:47:59.020 in

01:47:59.220 life

01:47:59.600 it's

01:47:59.880 like

01:48:00.120 you

01:48:00.820 know

01:48:00.960 you

01:48:01.320 dead

01:48:01.620 and

01:48:01.940 them

01:48:02.200 dead

01:48:02.440 is

01:48:02.620 not

01:48:02.820 better

01:48:03.100 than

01:48:03.260 just

01:48:03.480 them

01:48:03.780 dead

01:48:04.100 and

01:48:04.700 so

01:48:04.920 also

01:48:05.320 if

01:48:05.600 you

01:48:05.760 allow

01:48:06.080 someone

01:48:06.460 in

01:48:06.660 that

01:48:06.820 situation

01:48:07.260 to

01:48:07.460 pull

01:48:07.720 you

01:48:07.960 under

01:48:08.280 then

01:48:08.920 they

01:48:09.100 see

01:48:09.320 that

01:48:09.540 you

01:48:09.740 don't

01:48:10.000 value

01:48:10.340 yourself

01:48:10.820 enough

01:48:11.120 to

01:48:11.320 stop

01:48:11.620 yourself

01:48:11.940 from

01:48:12.160 being

01:48:12.380 pulled

01:48:12.640 under

01:48:12.900 and

01:48:13.400 that

01:48:13.600 makes

01:48:13.860 them

01:48:14.040 even

01:48:14.220 more

01:48:14.440 hopeless

01:48:14.760 about

01:48:15.060 their

01:48:15.260 own

01:48:15.440 lives

01:48:15.820 so

01:48:17.300 you

01:48:17.700 have

01:48:17.940 every

01:48:18.420 reason

01:48:18.820 to

01:48:19.060 defend

01:48:19.400 yourself

01:48:19.840 against

01:48:20.340 being

01:48:21.340 pulled

01:48:21.700 under

01:48:22.020 it's

01:48:22.500 not

01:48:22.880 helpful

01:48:23.320 and

01:48:24.140 being

01:48:24.400 nice

01:48:24.800 and

01:48:24.980 being

01:48:25.160 compassionate

01:48:25.700 and

01:48:25.900 all

01:48:26.040 of

01:48:26.180 that

01:48:26.460 save

01:48:27.240 it

01:48:27.360 for

01:48:27.520 the

01:48:27.680 babies

01:48:28.120 so

01:48:29.280 when's

01:48:40.360 the

01:48:40.440 last

01:48:40.640 time

01:48:40.800 you

01:48:40.920 got

01:48:41.100 really

01:48:41.420 drunk

01:48:41.960 oh

01:48:47.180 about

01:48:47.560 probably

01:48:48.980 a year

01:48:49.400 ago

01:48:49.720 I

01:48:50.940 have

01:48:51.140 a

01:48:51.280 friend

01:48:51.520 in

01:48:51.700 LA

01:48:52.000 and

01:48:52.620 he

01:48:52.900 likes

01:48:53.360 bourbon

01:48:53.780 and

01:48:54.000 so

01:48:54.340 we

01:48:54.800 drank

01:48:55.040 a

01:48:55.220 lot

01:48:55.620 of

01:48:55.740 it

01:48:55.920 one

01:48:56.740 night

01:48:57.020 and

01:48:57.320 I

01:48:57.500 really

01:48:57.940 enjoyed

01:48:58.440 it

01:48:58.860 but

01:49:00.080 it

01:49:00.740 wasn't

01:49:01.240 a

01:49:01.360 good

01:49:01.500 idea

01:49:01.900 like

01:49:04.000 so

01:49:04.180 many

01:49:04.380 things

01:49:04.680 that

01:49:04.860 you

01:49:04.960 really

01:49:05.200 enjoy

01:49:05.700 what

01:49:08.960 specific

01:49:09.520 thing

01:49:09.960 do you

01:49:10.360 see

01:49:10.540 as

01:49:10.740 the

01:49:10.920 biggest

01:49:11.260 threat

01:49:11.680 to

01:49:11.940 free

01:49:12.200 speech

01:49:12.620 hatred

01:49:15.200 of

01:49:15.460 the

01:49:15.640 truth

01:49:16.020 that's

01:49:17.900 that's

01:49:18.300 it

01:49:18.560 you

01:49:25.580 know

01:49:25.780 they

01:49:26.380 say

01:49:26.660 say

01:49:26.680 the

01:49:26.860 truth

01:49:27.160 will

01:49:27.400 set

01:49:27.640 you

01:49:27.820 free

01:49:28.180 and

01:49:28.420 it

01:49:28.740 certainly

01:49:29.320 will

01:49:29.640 but

01:49:29.900 like

01:49:30.660 the

01:49:32.900 question

01:49:33.280 is

01:49:33.540 do you

01:49:33.800 really

01:49:34.020 want

01:49:34.220 to

01:49:34.320 be

01:49:34.480 free

01:49:34.860 because

01:49:35.520 the

01:49:36.240 kind

01:49:36.580 of

01:49:36.740 free

01:49:37.140 that

01:49:37.440 the

01:49:37.640 truth

01:49:38.040 provides

01:49:39.200 for

01:49:39.420 you

01:49:39.600 is

01:49:39.840 a

01:49:40.040 freedom

01:49:40.420 that's

01:49:41.040 contingent

01:49:41.920 on

01:49:42.160 letting

01:49:42.460 everything

01:49:42.980 that

01:49:43.280 isn't

01:49:43.640 worthy

01:49:43.980 in

01:49:44.280 you

01:49:44.440 burn

01:49:44.960 to

01:49:45.180 the

01:49:45.360 ground

01:49:45.840 and

01:49:46.820 that's

01:49:47.140 not

01:49:47.560 pleasant

01:49:48.240 and

01:49:49.160 so

01:49:49.320 people

01:49:49.640 don't

01:49:50.420 you

01:49:50.680 know

01:49:50.800 this

01:49:51.400 perfectly

01:49:51.860 well

01:49:52.220 whenever

01:49:53.600 you

01:49:53.840 learn

01:49:54.100 something

01:49:54.480 profound

01:49:55.340 in

01:49:55.640 life

01:49:56.000 which

01:49:56.280 is

01:49:56.560 a

01:49:56.700 life

01:49:56.940 altering

01:49:57.500 revelation

01:49:58.460 let's

01:49:58.860 say

01:49:59.100 it

01:49:59.660 comes

01:49:59.880 at

01:50:00.020 a

01:50:00.140 cost

01:50:00.600 you

01:50:01.120 say

01:50:01.380 oh

01:50:01.840 I

01:50:01.980 sure

01:50:02.140 learned

01:50:02.420 that

01:50:02.660 the

01:50:02.840 hard

01:50:03.100 way

01:50:03.380 it's

01:50:03.780 like

01:50:03.940 yeah

01:50:04.120 you

01:50:04.260 learn

01:50:04.460 everything

01:50:04.860 the

01:50:05.040 hard

01:50:05.260 way

01:50:05.500 if

01:50:06.000 it's

01:50:06.160 worth

01:50:06.340 learning

01:50:06.680 you

01:50:06.840 learn

01:50:07.040 it

01:50:07.140 the

01:50:07.260 hard

01:50:07.500 way

01:50:07.760 and

01:50:08.300 so

01:50:08.460 the

01:50:08.640 truth

01:50:09.060 is

01:50:09.280 the

01:50:09.500 hard

01:50:09.900 way

01:50:10.420 and

01:50:11.700 so

01:50:11.940 of

01:50:12.180 course

01:50:12.360 people

01:50:12.660 oppose

01:50:13.140 its

01:50:13.540 expression

01:50:14.020 because

01:50:14.420 it's

01:50:14.660 the

01:50:14.840 hard

01:50:15.120 way

01:50:15.500 the

01:50:16.060 only

01:50:16.260 thing

01:50:16.520 harder

01:50:16.860 than

01:50:17.140 the

01:50:17.280 hard

01:50:17.500 way

01:50:17.740 is

01:50:18.080 the

01:50:18.660 way

01:50:18.880 that

01:50:19.100 isn't

01:50:19.960 the

01:50:20.480 truth

01:50:20.820 that's

01:50:22.140 the

01:50:22.300 problem

01:50:22.720 it's

01:50:23.100 like

01:50:23.280 it's

01:50:23.440 no

01:50:23.580 wonder

01:50:23.800 that

01:50:24.000 people

01:50:24.240 want

01:50:24.480 to

01:50:24.620 deceive

01:50:25.060 and

01:50:25.320 hide

01:50:25.740 the

01:50:26.680 problem

01:50:26.920 with

01:50:27.060 that

01:50:27.220 is

01:50:27.380 that

01:50:27.520 it's

01:50:27.700 worse

01:50:28.180 it's

01:50:29.020 worse

01:50:29.500 it's

01:50:30.180 better

01:50:30.360 to

01:50:30.520 get

01:50:30.660 the

01:50:30.840 damn

01:50:31.080 problem

01:50:31.460 out

01:50:31.680 in

01:50:31.780 the

01:50:31.840 open

01:50:32.060 right

01:50:32.300 now

01:50:32.640 and

01:50:33.160 to

01:50:33.280 confront

01:50:33.640 it

01:50:33.860 voluntarily

01:50:34.580 at

01:50:35.200 a

01:50:35.640 time

01:50:35.900 of

01:50:36.060 your

01:50:36.180 own

01:50:36.380 place

01:50:36.780 a

01:50:37.580 time

01:50:37.800 of

01:50:37.940 your

01:50:38.080 own

01:50:38.240 and

01:50:38.440 place

01:50:38.720 of

01:50:38.860 your

01:50:38.980 own

01:50:39.160 choosing

01:50:39.540 you

01:50:40.200 let

01:50:40.440 it

01:50:40.580 aggregate

01:50:41.000 because

01:50:41.520 you're

01:50:41.720 hiding

01:50:42.020 it

01:50:42.420 will

01:50:42.560 take

01:50:43.040 you

01:50:43.260 out

01:50:43.580 and

01:50:44.320 I

01:50:44.420 would

01:50:44.540 also

01:50:44.780 say

01:50:45.020 that's

01:50:45.320 another

01:50:45.580 one

01:50:45.820 of

01:50:45.940 the

01:50:46.080 most

01:50:46.320 ancient

01:50:46.680 stories

01:50:47.160 of

01:50:47.380 mankind

01:50:47.700 that's

01:50:48.180 encapsulated

01:50:48.800 in the

01:50:49.140 Mesopotamian

01:50:49.900 creation

01:50:50.400 myth

01:50:50.680 which is

01:50:51.020 the

01:50:51.180 oldest

01:50:51.460 story

01:50:51.800 that

01:50:51.980 we

01:50:52.120 have

01:50:52.440 you

01:50:53.360 let

01:50:53.640 monsters

01:50:54.220 breed

01:50:54.540 in

01:50:54.700 the

01:50:54.840 dark

01:50:55.180 small

01:50:55.960 monsters

01:50:56.500 breed

01:50:56.820 in

01:50:56.960 the

01:50:57.080 dark

01:50:57.360 they

01:50:57.900 turn

01:50:58.120 into

01:50:58.320 something

01:50:58.700 massive

01:50:59.280 and

01:50:59.500 it

01:50:59.600 will

01:50:59.740 take

01:51:00.200 you

01:51:00.400 out

01:51:00.680 and

01:51:01.440 it

01:51:01.560 wait

01:51:01.860 until

01:51:08.860 the

01:51:09.020 truth

01:51:09.340 is

01:51:09.680 it's

01:51:10.640 better

01:51:10.880 than

01:51:11.080 the

01:51:11.240 alternative

01:51:11.660 and

01:51:12.260 that's

01:51:12.540 basically

01:51:12.880 what

01:51:13.140 we've

01:51:13.400 got

01:51:13.700 so

01:51:14.500 we've

01:51:15.000 got

01:51:15.120 a

01:51:15.280 choice

01:51:15.560 between

01:51:15.920 those

01:51:16.180 two

01:51:16.400 terrors

01:51:16.920 and

01:51:17.780 so

01:51:18.080 people

01:51:19.240 who

01:51:19.480 don't

01:51:19.680 like

01:51:19.880 free

01:51:20.120 speech

01:51:20.520 they

01:51:21.240 hate

01:51:21.460 the

01:51:21.620 truth

01:51:21.920 and

01:51:22.560 it's

01:51:22.760 no

01:51:22.920 wonder

01:51:23.200 but

01:51:23.640 it's

01:51:23.820 not

01:51:24.020 helpful

01:51:24.400 so

01:51:25.380 you

01:51:32.400 know

01:51:32.520 it's

01:51:32.720 even

01:51:32.920 worse

01:51:33.240 than

01:51:33.420 that

01:51:33.600 it

01:51:33.760 isn't

01:51:33.960 even

01:51:34.120 that

01:51:34.300 they

01:51:34.440 hate

01:51:34.620 the

01:51:34.760 truth

01:51:34.960 so

01:51:35.160 much

01:51:35.360 it's

01:51:36.760 that

01:51:36.920 they

01:51:37.100 hate

01:51:37.400 the

01:51:37.600 process

01:51:38.000 by

01:51:38.240 which

01:51:38.460 the

01:51:38.660 truth

01:51:38.880 comes

01:51:39.180 to

01:51:39.360 be

01:51:39.660 because

01:51:40.840 that's

01:51:41.080 even

01:51:41.240 more

01:51:41.460 important

01:51:41.800 than

01:51:42.020 the

01:51:42.340 truth

01:51:42.820 you

01:51:43.020 know

01:51:43.120 because

01:51:43.400 what's

01:51:43.980 true

01:51:44.200 now

01:51:44.540 might

01:51:44.800 be

01:51:45.020 slightly

01:51:45.380 different

01:51:45.760 in a

01:51:46.060 week

01:51:46.340 which

01:51:46.680 is

01:51:46.800 why

01:51:46.960 you

01:51:47.080 have

01:51:47.240 to

01:51:47.360 keep

01:51:47.520 talking

01:51:47.860 to

01:51:48.040 the

01:51:48.180 person

01:51:48.440 you're

01:51:48.640 married

01:51:48.920 to

01:51:49.220 right

01:51:49.500 because

01:51:50.040 what

01:51:50.600 worked

01:51:51.340 yesterday

01:51:51.800 isn't

01:51:52.140 exactly

01:51:52.660 the

01:51:52.940 same

01:51:53.140 thing

01:51:53.340 as

01:51:53.460 it's

01:51:53.680 going

01:51:53.800 to

01:51:53.880 work

01:51:54.060 today

01:51:54.360 so

01:51:54.600 you

01:51:54.720 have

01:51:54.900 to

01:51:55.020 update

01:51:55.340 it

01:51:55.520 so

01:51:56.000 there's

01:51:56.240 this

01:51:56.440 process

01:51:56.960 of

01:51:57.220 contending

01:51:58.060 that

01:51:59.140 actually

01:51:59.480 constitutes

01:52:00.140 the

01:52:00.360 truth

01:52:00.620 as

01:52:00.860 such

01:52:01.220 because

01:52:01.420 the

01:52:01.600 truth

01:52:01.820 isn't

01:52:02.100 a

01:52:02.260 set

01:52:02.860 of

01:52:03.060 propositions

01:52:03.700 that

01:52:03.940 will

01:52:04.100 never

01:52:04.420 die

01:52:05.720 the

01:52:06.240 truth

01:52:06.480 is

01:52:06.640 a

01:52:06.960 stance

01:52:07.620 on

01:52:07.900 life

01:52:08.280 like

01:52:08.540 standing

01:52:08.980 up

01:52:09.220 straight

01:52:09.460 with

01:52:09.660 your

01:52:09.820 shoulders

01:52:10.160 back

01:52:10.520 and

01:52:10.680 people

01:52:11.340 who

01:52:11.600 are

01:52:12.160 opposed

01:52:12.560 to

01:52:12.760 free

01:52:12.980 speech

01:52:13.360 don't

01:52:13.660 like

01:52:13.860 the

01:52:14.060 stance

01:52:14.540 itself

01:52:15.080 because

01:52:15.460 it

01:52:16.000 calls

01:52:16.500 on

01:52:16.740 them

01:52:16.900 to

01:52:17.080 be

01:52:17.260 brave

01:52:17.640 and

01:52:17.800 responsible

01:52:18.360 and

01:52:18.720 they

01:52:19.200 avoid

01:52:19.640 that

01:52:20.000 and

01:52:20.720 you

01:52:20.800 say

01:52:20.940 well

01:52:21.080 why

01:52:21.260 would

01:52:21.460 you

01:52:21.560 avoid

01:52:21.840 being

01:52:22.060 brave

01:52:22.320 and

01:52:22.460 responsible

01:52:22.940 it's

01:52:23.240 like

01:52:23.400 well

01:52:23.620 because

01:52:23.880 it's

01:52:24.060 easy

01:52:24.240 to

01:52:24.400 be

01:52:24.540 lazy

01:52:24.900 and

01:52:26.240 weak

01:52:26.640 obviously

01:52:27.500 you know

01:52:28.300 doing

01:52:28.840 hard

01:52:29.180 things

01:52:29.560 is

01:52:29.760 hard

01:52:30.500 so

01:52:31.360 why

01:52:31.940 wouldn't

01:52:32.220 you

01:52:32.340 do

01:52:32.560 them

01:52:32.820 it's

01:52:33.020 like

01:52:33.160 well

01:52:33.280 that's

01:52:33.420 a

01:52:33.560 stupid

01:52:33.820 question

01:52:34.380 it's

01:52:34.680 easier

01:52:34.920 to

01:52:35.140 sit

01:52:35.580 and

01:52:35.820 do

01:52:36.000 nothing

01:52:36.440 than

01:52:36.720 to

01:52:36.920 bear

01:52:37.360 a

01:52:37.540 heavy

01:52:37.820 load

01:52:38.360 so

01:52:39.040 it's

01:52:39.540 a

01:52:39.660 nonsensical

01:52:40.260 question

01:52:40.700 but

01:52:40.920 yeah

01:52:41.500 the

01:52:41.700 real

01:52:41.920 enemies

01:52:42.240 of

01:52:42.420 free

01:52:42.620 speech

01:52:42.960 are

01:52:43.140 the

01:52:43.280 people

01:52:43.520 who

01:52:43.760 are

01:52:44.180 enemies

01:52:44.580 of

01:52:44.940 the

01:52:45.140 process

01:52:45.820 by

01:52:46.120 which

01:52:46.460 the

01:52:47.080 truth

01:52:47.320 is

01:52:47.500 revealed

01:52:47.960 it's

01:52:48.420 worse

01:52:48.680 than

01:52:48.900 even

01:52:49.100 enemies

01:52:49.400 of

01:52:49.600 the

01:52:49.740 truth

01:52:50.020 it's

01:52:50.460 worse

01:52:50.720 than

01:52:50.940 that

01:52:51.220 so

01:52:51.940 all right

01:53:00.020 let's

01:53:00.280 change

01:53:00.580 someone's

01:53:01.040 life

01:53:01.280 tonight

01:53:01.620 I'm

01:53:03.440 here

01:53:03.640 with

01:53:03.820 my

01:53:04.040 eight

01:53:04.340 year

01:53:04.520 old

01:53:04.780 son

01:53:05.260 he's

01:53:05.840 very

01:53:06.100 curious

01:53:06.600 and

01:53:07.000 concerned

01:53:07.500 with

01:53:07.960 what

01:53:08.160 is

01:53:08.320 going

01:53:08.560 on

01:53:08.840 with

01:53:09.300 his

01:53:09.560 generation

01:53:10.220 can

01:53:11.160 you

01:53:11.340 speak

01:53:11.720 at

01:53:11.900 all

01:53:12.420 to

01:53:12.960 the

01:53:13.220 children

01:53:13.700 directly

01:53:14.340 where

01:53:15.120 is

01:53:15.320 this

01:53:15.500 eight

01:53:15.680 year

01:53:15.860 old

01:53:16.140 where

01:53:17.520 are

01:53:17.740 you

01:53:17.900 hey

01:53:18.220 kiddo

01:53:18.660 give this

01:53:19.240 guy a

01:53:19.540 round of

01:53:19.760 applause

01:53:20.080 everybody

01:53:20.600 what's

01:53:30.760 your

01:53:30.880 name

01:53:31.060 kiddo

01:53:31.460 say

01:53:32.500 again

01:53:32.880 Tabor

01:53:34.880 hi

01:53:35.100 Tabor

01:53:35.460 how

01:53:35.800 you

01:53:35.960 doing

01:53:36.220 look

01:53:36.600 so

01:53:36.840 a couple

01:53:37.160 of

01:53:37.340 things

01:53:37.700 first

01:53:39.100 of

01:53:39.280 all

01:53:39.540 things

01:53:40.560 are

01:53:40.900 better

01:53:41.360 now

01:53:41.660 than

01:53:41.860 they've

01:53:42.140 ever

01:53:42.400 been

01:53:42.820 and

01:53:44.180 and

01:53:49.600 and

01:53:49.620 and

01:53:49.920 not

01:53:50.080 only

01:53:50.300 that

01:53:50.620 they're

01:53:50.860 getting

01:53:51.100 better

01:53:51.440 faster

01:53:52.040 than

01:53:52.360 they've

01:53:52.660 ever

01:53:52.900 gotten

01:53:53.300 better

01:53:53.720 so

01:53:54.520 as

01:53:55.340 terrible

01:53:55.740 as

01:53:56.000 things

01:53:56.260 are

01:53:56.500 they're

01:53:56.740 way

01:53:57.040 better

01:53:57.380 than

01:53:57.620 they

01:53:57.820 were

01:53:58.180 and

01:53:58.900 there's

01:53:59.080 every

01:53:59.340 reason

01:53:59.640 to

01:53:59.840 assume

01:54:00.180 that

01:54:00.360 that

01:54:00.540 will

01:54:00.700 continue

01:54:01.180 and

01:54:01.580 so

01:54:01.800 I

01:54:02.000 would

01:54:02.180 say

01:54:02.560 don't

01:54:03.820 despair

01:54:05.160 live

01:54:06.740 in

01:54:06.920 hope

01:54:07.280 kiddo

01:54:07.800 and

01:54:08.560 and

01:54:11.060 and

01:54:21.100 and

01:54:21.120 and

01:54:21.380 and

01:54:21.400 occupy

01:54:21.860 yourself

01:54:22.540 with

01:54:22.940 the

01:54:23.080 things

01:54:23.320 that

01:54:23.520 you

01:54:23.680 should

01:54:23.840 be

01:54:24.000 occupied

01:54:24.380 with

01:54:24.720 when

01:54:24.900 you're

01:54:25.080 eight

01:54:25.360 make

01:54:26.300 your

01:54:26.480 friends

01:54:26.920 have

01:54:27.900 your

01:54:28.060 fun

01:54:28.420 do

01:54:28.940 well

01:54:29.160 in

01:54:29.340 school

01:54:29.620 that's

01:54:29.980 how

01:54:30.080 you

01:54:30.240 contribute

01:54:30.640 to

01:54:30.840 make

01:54:31.040 thing

01:54:31.280 to

01:54:31.500 doing

01:54:31.920 things

01:54:32.300 to

01:54:32.640 making

01:54:32.880 things

01:54:33.220 better

01:54:33.540 and

01:54:34.180 don't

01:54:34.380 worry

01:54:34.600 about

01:54:34.840 things

01:54:35.140 that

01:54:35.280 are

01:54:35.380 beyond

01:54:35.660 that

01:54:35.900 at

01:54:36.040 the

01:54:36.160 moment

01:54:36.360 because

01:54:36.740 you've

01:54:37.120 got

01:54:37.280 enough

01:54:37.500 to

01:54:37.660 occupy

01:54:38.020 yourself

01:54:38.500 with

01:54:38.720 being

01:54:39.020 eight

01:54:39.320 and

01:54:39.980 that's

01:54:40.240 a

01:54:40.340 perfectly

01:54:40.620 reasonable

01:54:41.080 thing

01:54:41.360 to do

01:54:41.820 everyone

01:54:51.740 in this

01:54:52.100 room is

01:54:52.400 like

01:54:52.560 do

01:54:52.780 me

01:54:53.160 do

01:54:53.460 me

01:54:53.900 oh

01:54:56.860 as a

01:54:57.200 lefty

01:54:57.480 I like

01:54:57.760 this

01:54:57.900 one

01:54:58.100 do

01:54:58.300 left-handed

01:54:59.000 people

01:54:59.500 carry a

01:55:00.220 different

01:55:00.520 perspective

01:55:01.220 of the

01:55:01.660 world

01:55:01.980 since

01:55:02.320 their

01:55:02.520 dominant

01:55:03.040 brain

01:55:03.620 hemisphere

01:55:04.260 is rooted

01:55:05.600 in the

01:55:06.000 unconscious

01:55:06.540 no

01:55:08.300 oh

01:55:09.420 they die

01:55:11.940 more often

01:55:12.620 though

01:55:13.080 those damn

01:55:14.800 scissors

01:55:15.240 yeah it is

01:55:16.080 it is

01:55:16.420 well because

01:55:16.980 they're

01:55:17.280 because

01:55:17.640 they're in

01:55:18.000 a right-handed

01:55:18.540 world

01:55:18.940 they're more

01:55:19.360 accident prone

01:55:20.200 so

01:55:20.920 but

01:55:21.600 no there's

01:55:22.740 there's not a lot

01:55:23.520 of credible

01:55:24.040 evidence that

01:55:24.960 handedness

01:55:25.820 plays a

01:55:27.040 profound

01:55:27.440 role in

01:55:27.960 personality

01:55:28.400 there's

01:55:28.700 some

01:55:28.940 there's

01:55:29.280 some

01:55:29.460 quirks

01:55:29.940 partly

01:55:30.680 because

01:55:30.960 there's

01:55:31.200 multiple

01:55:31.540 reasons

01:55:31.940 for being

01:55:32.380 left-handed

01:55:32.960 so but

01:55:34.020 generally

01:55:34.440 what happens

01:55:35.040 is that

01:55:35.540 a right-handed

01:55:37.820 brain is

01:55:38.380 organized

01:55:38.800 this is

01:55:39.420 two hemispheres

01:55:40.180 in case

01:55:40.600 you were

01:55:40.840 wondering

01:55:41.180 a right-handed

01:55:44.700 person's brain

01:55:45.420 is organized

01:55:45.960 in a particular

01:55:46.580 manner

01:55:47.240 with certain

01:55:47.840 modules

01:55:48.560 in the right

01:55:49.200 hemisphere

01:55:49.600 and the left

01:55:50.200 hemisphere

01:55:50.640 that's the

01:55:51.700 standard

01:55:52.140 neurological

01:55:52.660 configuration

01:55:53.540 left-handed

01:55:54.460 person's brain

01:55:55.140 isn't organized

01:55:55.820 that way

01:55:56.180 but they have

01:55:56.640 the same

01:55:57.080 modules

01:55:57.600 they're just

01:55:58.040 put in

01:55:58.480 slightly

01:55:58.740 different

01:55:59.080 places

01:55:59.460 so there

01:56:00.180 isn't a

01:56:00.520 tremendous

01:56:00.860 amount

01:56:01.280 of difference

01:56:01.820 between

01:56:02.240 left-handers

01:56:03.160 and right-handers

01:56:03.800 apart from

01:56:04.300 their proclivity

01:56:05.100 to die

01:56:05.980 in accidents

01:56:06.980 more often

01:56:07.600 imagine you're

01:56:10.480 using the word

01:56:10.960 proclivity

01:56:11.600 right

01:56:12.040 unfortunate

01:56:14.180 proclivity

01:56:14.880 yeah

01:56:15.920 all right

01:56:17.480 we can do

01:56:17.840 two more

01:56:18.500 here

01:56:18.880 I've moved

01:56:20.120 farther right

01:56:20.920 over recent

01:56:21.640 years but

01:56:22.160 my wife

01:56:22.840 is still

01:56:23.620 an ardent

01:56:24.340 left-wing

01:56:24.980 feminist

01:56:25.800 somebody out

01:56:32.140 there knows

01:56:32.640 who's being

01:56:33.360 talked about

01:56:34.000 how do I

01:56:36.920 keep my

01:56:37.480 views while

01:56:38.280 avoiding

01:56:38.800 relationship

01:56:39.540 troubles

01:56:40.100 well first

01:56:42.680 you can't

01:56:43.160 avoid

01:56:43.420 relationship

01:56:43.940 troubles

01:56:44.440 so but

01:56:45.500 but look

01:56:46.440 I would

01:56:46.780 say

01:56:47.100 most of

01:56:50.680 the

01:56:50.940 proper

01:56:51.900 concerns

01:56:52.620 for an

01:56:53.380 intimate

01:56:53.720 relationship

01:56:54.380 are

01:56:54.740 intimate

01:56:55.160 concerns

01:56:55.920 right

01:56:57.200 so

01:56:57.800 so

01:56:58.760 it isn't

01:57:01.520 obvious to

01:57:02.560 me

01:57:02.840 how much

01:57:04.240 the political

01:57:04.880 has to enter

01:57:05.800 the local

01:57:07.000 I think

01:57:08.500 I think

01:57:08.520 what you

01:57:09.160 try to

01:57:09.520 do is

01:57:09.860 to solve

01:57:10.960 the problems

01:57:11.600 that directly

01:57:12.320 confront you

01:57:12.960 it's like

01:57:13.360 look

01:57:14.180 when I'm

01:57:15.080 helping

01:57:15.420 someone

01:57:15.960 straighten out

01:57:16.680 their marriage

01:57:17.360 let's say

01:57:17.860 we do

01:57:18.520 very mundane

01:57:19.240 things

01:57:20.100 you know

01:57:20.760 we first

01:57:22.720 of all

01:57:22.940 try to

01:57:23.260 calculate

01:57:23.700 what do

01:57:25.620 you actually

01:57:26.040 do together

01:57:27.100 as a

01:57:27.600 couple

01:57:27.900 and this

01:57:29.360 is

01:57:29.580 you know

01:57:29.980 people think

01:57:30.460 well we go

01:57:30.920 to movies

01:57:31.460 we go to

01:57:31.980 plays

01:57:32.340 we go to

01:57:32.820 see friends

01:57:33.400 I don't care

01:57:34.540 about any

01:57:34.940 of that

01:57:35.360 that's not

01:57:35.880 relevant

01:57:36.280 you hardly

01:57:36.740 ever do

01:57:37.140 that

01:57:37.440 that's

01:57:37.860 irrelevant

01:57:38.320 what I'm

01:57:39.660 wondering

01:57:40.060 is

01:57:40.520 what

01:57:42.520 when

01:57:43.780 what

01:57:44.980 what

01:57:45.580 interrelationships

01:57:47.100 do you have

01:57:47.500 that constitute

01:57:48.060 the bulk

01:57:48.540 of your

01:57:48.840 usage of

01:57:49.380 time

01:57:49.740 well that's

01:57:51.260 easy

01:57:51.420 you eat

01:57:51.880 together

01:57:52.320 you do

01:57:53.600 that every

01:57:53.920 day

01:57:54.260 it's like

01:57:55.400 there's five

01:57:56.080 hours a day

01:57:56.800 it's right

01:57:57.220 it's 35

01:57:58.180 hours a week

01:57:59.000 so that's a

01:58:00.380 whole work

01:58:00.820 week every

01:58:01.400 week that

01:58:02.920 you eat

01:58:03.480 together

01:58:03.840 and so

01:58:05.520 that's

01:58:06.160 let's see

01:58:07.720 40 hours a

01:58:08.400 week

01:58:08.600 it's

01:58:09.300 160

01:58:09.960 hours

01:58:10.500 well

01:58:13.180 we'll leave

01:58:14.300 it at that

01:58:14.780 it's a

01:58:15.220 major

01:58:15.480 well

01:58:16.040 I can't do

01:58:17.320 the math

01:58:17.660 at the moment

01:58:18.040 because I'm

01:58:18.360 a bit tired

01:58:18.880 but it's

01:58:20.420 a third

01:58:20.860 of your

01:58:21.160 bloody life

01:58:21.880 you're only

01:58:22.260 awake for

01:58:22.740 16 hours

01:58:23.460 a day

01:58:23.880 you spend

01:58:24.700 a third

01:58:24.960 of your

01:58:25.200 life

01:58:25.440 eating

01:58:25.700 with your

01:58:26.080 spouse

01:58:26.480 get it

01:58:27.100 right

01:58:27.460 so what

01:58:28.940 else

01:58:29.240 you come

01:58:29.960 home

01:58:30.300 every day

01:58:30.960 that takes

01:58:31.820 10 minutes

01:58:32.720 somebody meets

01:58:33.660 you at the

01:58:34.020 door

01:58:34.300 or not

01:58:34.940 how does

01:58:35.500 that go

01:58:36.000 did they

01:58:36.300 meet you

01:58:36.560 at the

01:58:36.760 door

01:58:36.880 nicely

01:58:37.380 have you

01:58:38.320 got that

01:58:38.620 figured out

01:58:39.140 it's

01:58:39.320 10 minutes

01:58:39.840 a day

01:58:40.120 it's

01:58:40.300 an hour

01:58:40.580 a week

01:58:40.980 it's

01:58:41.180 four hours

01:58:41.660 a month

01:58:42.040 it's

01:58:42.340 50 hours

01:58:43.220 a year

01:58:43.520 it's

01:58:43.700 one

01:58:43.900 work

01:58:44.200 week

01:58:44.460 you spend

01:58:44.960 one

01:58:45.240 work

01:58:45.540 week

01:58:45.740 a year

01:58:46.160 getting

01:58:47.080 greeted

01:58:47.560 at the

01:58:48.020 door

01:58:48.360 have you

01:58:49.300 got that

01:58:49.680 down

01:58:50.100 have you

01:58:50.660 figured out

01:58:50.980 how to

01:58:51.140 go shopping

01:58:51.740 together

01:58:52.220 it's like

01:58:53.000 there are

01:58:53.600 things you

01:58:54.020 do together

01:58:54.600 that are

01:58:55.360 mundane

01:58:55.900 things

01:58:56.420 so those

01:58:56.820 are the

01:58:57.040 things you

01:58:57.380 do every

01:58:57.740 day

01:58:58.100 but they're

01:58:58.800 your whole

01:58:59.220 life

01:58:59.660 you get

01:59:00.360 those things

01:59:00.800 together

01:59:01.220 and then

01:59:02.320 don't worry

01:59:02.680 about the

01:59:03.020 political

01:59:03.280 stuff

01:59:03.780 it's

01:59:04.620 secondary

01:59:05.020 so I

01:59:06.160 would say

01:59:06.540 and it'll

01:59:07.420 fix the

01:59:07.860 political

01:59:08.120 stuff

01:59:08.440 anyways

01:59:08.840 if you

01:59:09.580 get all

01:59:09.840 that local

01:59:10.280 stuff

01:59:10.620 set out

01:59:11.520 right

01:59:11.700 so that

01:59:12.080 your meals

01:59:13.040 together

01:59:13.480 are enjoyable

01:59:14.120 and you've

01:59:14.700 distributed

01:59:15.980 the

01:59:16.320 domestic

01:59:16.880 duties

01:59:17.300 so that

01:59:17.620 you're

01:59:17.720 both

01:59:17.920 happy

01:59:18.300 about

01:59:18.600 it

01:59:18.800 that's

01:59:19.240 a war

01:59:19.640 man

01:59:20.000 you try

01:59:20.580 to do

01:59:20.860 that

01:59:21.060 that's

01:59:21.320 a war

01:59:21.840 you get

01:59:22.660 to do

01:59:22.940 everybody

01:59:23.300 laughs

01:59:23.840 it's like

01:59:24.220 yeah it's

01:59:24.520 a war

01:59:24.800 we haven't

01:59:25.340 solved

01:59:25.740 yet

01:59:26.060 it's like

01:59:26.380 no kidding

01:59:27.000 no kidding

01:59:28.380 there's a

01:59:29.840 Canadian

01:59:30.180 poet

01:59:30.640 Leonard Cohen

01:59:31.360 he has a

01:59:31.780 famous song

01:59:32.560 about the

01:59:33.460 homicidal

01:59:34.160 bitching

01:59:34.760 that goes

01:59:35.220 down in

01:59:35.640 every

01:59:35.860 kitchen

01:59:36.320 about who

01:59:36.880 is going

01:59:37.260 to serve

01:59:37.840 and who

01:59:38.180 is going

01:59:38.520 to eat

01:59:39.000 it's like

01:59:39.640 yeah no

01:59:40.120 kidding

01:59:40.480 it's a

01:59:41.080 bloody

01:59:41.360 really it's

01:59:42.340 an absolute

01:59:42.800 minefield

01:59:44.700 you know

01:59:45.520 and so

01:59:45.880 and that's

01:59:46.260 because

01:59:46.560 people haven't

01:59:47.520 talked it

01:59:48.020 through

01:59:48.300 it's like

01:59:48.800 well how do

01:59:49.800 you want

01:59:50.080 the meal

01:59:50.360 time to

01:59:50.740 go

01:59:50.860 do you

01:59:51.060 want to

01:59:51.260 be at

01:59:51.580 each other's

01:59:52.080 throats

01:59:52.420 metaphysically

01:59:53.160 or do you

01:59:53.840 want to

01:59:54.040 sit down

01:59:54.400 and have

01:59:54.680 a lovely

01:59:54.980 meal

01:59:55.380 and every

01:59:55.980 day

01:59:56.220 because you're

01:59:56.540 going to

01:59:56.640 do it

01:59:56.840 three

01:59:57.020 times

01:59:57.480 it's like

01:59:57.820 well what

01:59:58.100 are the

01:59:58.260 preconditions

01:59:58.840 for having

01:59:59.280 a lovely

01:59:59.640 meal

01:59:59.940 everybody

02:00:00.600 isn't

02:00:01.180 feeling

02:00:01.520 oppressed

02:00:02.160 yeah

02:00:03.460 yeah no

02:00:06.500 kidding

02:00:06.880 you know

02:00:07.300 and so

02:00:08.120 but it's

02:00:08.480 not so

02:00:08.820 easy to

02:00:09.220 have a

02:00:09.520 meal

02:00:09.720 in

02:00:09.920 peace

02:00:10.300 it's

02:00:11.140 not so

02:00:11.620 easy

02:00:12.000 and you

02:00:12.920 can think

02:00:13.180 well there's

02:00:13.540 the fundamental

02:00:14.120 political

02:00:15.740 problem

02:00:16.360 how do

02:00:17.020 you have

02:00:17.440 a meal

02:00:17.940 in peace

02:00:18.720 solve that

02:00:19.820 man

02:00:20.160 you've got

02:00:20.820 one third

02:00:21.480 of your

02:00:21.780 life fixed

02:00:22.460 if you

02:00:22.780 solve that

02:00:23.460 and so

02:00:24.560 really

02:00:25.040 you really

02:00:25.520 do

02:00:25.800 it's

02:00:26.020 really

02:00:26.520 hard

02:00:26.960 to solve

02:00:27.800 right

02:00:29.160 because it

02:00:29.600 means you

02:00:30.000 have to

02:00:30.360 have

02:00:30.560 consciously

02:00:31.320 sorted

02:00:31.940 out

02:00:32.300 the

02:00:33.040 hierarchy

02:00:33.700 of

02:00:33.940 responsibilities

02:00:34.680 between

02:00:35.220 the

02:00:35.460 sexes

02:00:35.920 in the

02:00:36.280 household

02:00:36.740 it's

02:00:37.680 like

02:00:37.800 good luck

02:00:38.380 taking

02:00:38.720 that on

02:00:39.160 yourself

02:00:39.620 you know

02:00:40.600 because there

02:00:41.040 used to

02:00:41.400 be

02:00:41.540 gendered

02:00:42.040 roles

02:00:42.320 to deal

02:00:42.760 with

02:00:42.960 that

02:00:43.240 now

02:00:43.880 there

02:00:44.060 aren't

02:00:44.440 so

02:00:45.040 what

02:00:45.220 do

02:00:45.300 people

02:00:45.520 do

02:00:45.840 they

02:00:46.380 fight

02:00:46.860 stupidly

02:00:47.700 that's

02:00:48.460 what

02:00:48.580 they

02:00:48.740 do

02:00:49.020 and the

02:00:49.920 alternative

02:00:50.320 to that

02:00:50.780 is to

02:00:51.040 actually

02:00:51.500 negotiate

02:00:52.200 every

02:00:52.680 damn

02:00:53.040 detail

02:00:53.580 who

02:00:54.420 buys

02:00:54.780 what

02:00:55.200 who

02:00:55.640 does

02:00:55.860 the

02:00:56.040 groceries

02:00:56.500 who

02:00:56.880 does

02:00:57.100 the

02:00:57.300 shop

02:00:57.660 sorry

02:00:58.060 who

02:00:58.440 does

02:00:58.860 the

02:00:59.000 groceries

02:00:59.400 who

02:00:59.880 prepares

02:01:00.260 the

02:01:00.460 meals

02:01:00.760 when

02:01:01.200 do

02:01:01.340 they

02:01:01.480 prepare

02:01:01.800 the

02:01:02.000 meals

02:01:02.300 what's

02:01:02.920 that

02:01:03.120 worth

02:01:03.400 in

02:01:03.560 terms

02:01:03.840 of

02:01:04.020 trade

02:01:04.300 off

02:01:04.500 for

02:01:04.720 other

02:01:05.100 for

02:01:06.440 other

02:01:06.700 tasks

02:01:07.400 how

02:01:07.840 do

02:01:07.960 you

02:01:08.080 thank

02:01:08.380 someone

02:01:08.760 for

02:01:09.080 operating

02:01:09.840 property

02:01:10.280 in the

02:01:10.520 kitchen

02:01:10.780 who

02:01:11.220 loads

02:01:11.520 the

02:01:11.700 dishwasher

02:01:12.200 who

02:01:12.480 does

02:01:12.700 the

02:01:12.880 dishes

02:01:13.160 when

02:01:13.460 do

02:01:13.600 they

02:01:13.700 do

02:01:13.840 the

02:01:14.020 dishes

02:01:14.280 how

02:01:14.480 fast

02:01:14.920 do

02:01:15.020 the

02:01:15.120 dishes

02:01:15.380 have

02:01:15.600 to be

02:01:15.860 cleared

02:01:16.100 off

02:01:16.340 the

02:01:16.520 table

02:01:16.780 after

02:01:17.080 you

02:01:17.280 eat

02:01:17.580 which

02:01:18.200 dishes

02:01:18.540 are we

02:01:18.880 going

02:01:19.100 to

02:01:19.280 use

02:01:19.620 what

02:01:20.000 are

02:01:20.100 we

02:01:20.220 going

02:01:20.420 to

02:01:20.600 eat

02:01:20.940 what's

02:01:21.720 the

02:01:21.840 role

02:01:22.020 the

02:01:22.180 kids

02:01:22.380 are

02:01:22.520 going

02:01:22.700 to

02:01:22.840 play

02:01:23.040 do

02:01:23.220 we

02:01:23.380 sit

02:01:23.580 down

02:01:23.820 together

02:01:24.140 do

02:01:24.340 we

02:01:24.460 have

02:01:24.660 regular

02:01:24.980 mealtimes

02:01:25.640 each

02:01:26.600 of

02:01:36.700 way

02:01:36.920 easier

02:01:37.220 to

02:01:37.420 solve

02:01:37.680 the

02:01:37.880 political

02:01:38.220 problems

02:01:38.700 than

02:01:38.860 it

02:01:38.980 is

02:01:39.120 to

02:01:39.240 get

02:01:39.380 all

02:01:39.560 those

02:01:39.800 things

02:01:40.080 straight

02:01:40.400 that's

02:01:40.740 for

02:01:40.900 sure

02:01:41.140 so

02:01:41.760 start

02:01:42.100 by

02:01:42.280 getting

02:01:42.500 those

02:01:42.780 things

02:01:43.060 straight

02:01:43.360 and

02:01:43.520 see

02:01:43.660 what

02:01:43.840 happens

02:01:44.260 then

02:01:44.600 you'll

02:01:44.800 have

02:01:44.940 peaceful

02:01:45.320 mealtimes

02:01:45.960 and

02:01:46.340 then

02:01:46.480 maybe

02:01:46.700 you won't

02:01:46.980 die

02:01:47.580 I

02:01:58.240 kind of

02:01:58.620 want to

02:01:58.880 end

02:01:59.100 with

02:01:59.260 this

02:01:59.440 one

02:01:59.740 with

02:02:00.420 people

02:02:00.740 several

02:02:01.260 people

02:02:01.540 wanted

02:02:01.780 to

02:02:01.920 know

02:02:02.020 why

02:02:02.200 the

02:02:02.340 Blazers

02:02:02.660 drafted

02:02:03.020 Sam

02:02:03.340 Bowie

02:02:03.540 instead

02:02:03.760 of

02:02:03.880 Michael

02:02:04.100 Jordan

02:02:04.420 but

02:02:04.720 what's

02:02:07.600 next

02:02:07.840 for

02:02:08.020 you

02:02:08.180 after

02:02:08.440 this

02:02:08.680 tour

02:02:08.960 well

02:02:12.500 you're

02:02:12.680 assuming

02:02:12.960 this

02:02:13.160 tour

02:02:13.340 is

02:02:13.460 going

02:02:13.600 to

02:02:13.760 end

02:02:14.180 yeah

02:02:15.480 I

02:02:16.360 just

02:02:16.620 extended

02:02:17.040 a

02:02:17.220 couple

02:02:17.380 months

02:02:17.660 right

02:02:17.860 yeah

02:02:18.000 yeah

02:02:18.260 yeah

02:02:18.540 so

02:02:18.800 we

02:02:18.940 announced

02:02:19.260 20

02:02:19.620 more

02:02:19.860 American

02:02:20.440 cities

02:02:20.840 today

02:02:21.280 so

02:02:21.680 yeah

02:02:22.620 so

02:02:30.380 but

02:02:30.560 I

02:02:30.740 think

02:02:31.200 I

02:02:31.400 think

02:02:31.980 we're

02:02:32.840 because

02:02:33.240 my

02:02:33.440 wife

02:02:33.700 is

02:02:33.880 traveling

02:02:34.200 with

02:02:34.460 me

02:02:34.620 and

02:02:34.740 is

02:02:34.920 very

02:02:35.120 very

02:02:35.320 helpful

02:02:35.640 in

02:02:35.880 all

02:02:36.040 of

02:02:36.160 this

02:02:36.400 so

02:02:37.180 yeah

02:02:44.100 well

02:02:44.340 that's

02:02:44.700 something

02:02:44.960 too

02:02:45.220 because

02:02:45.500 she's

02:02:45.780 actually

02:02:46.100 on

02:02:46.360 board

02:02:46.620 with

02:02:46.840 this

02:02:47.080 you

02:02:47.220 know

02:02:47.360 and

02:02:47.520 some

02:02:47.740 of

02:02:47.860 that's

02:02:48.060 a

02:02:48.160 consequence

02:02:48.560 of

02:02:48.820 having

02:02:49.060 had

02:02:49.280 a

02:02:49.860 very

02:02:50.080 large

02:02:50.400 number

02:02:50.700 of

02:02:50.880 fights

02:02:51.200 I'm

02:02:52.440 serious

02:02:53.000 man

02:02:53.300 like

02:02:53.520 hundreds

02:02:53.880 of

02:02:54.120 them

02:02:54.340 but

02:02:54.860 they

02:02:55.020 were

02:02:55.600 fights

02:02:57.000 with

02:02:57.260 a

02:02:57.400 purpose

02:02:57.680 and

02:02:57.920 the

02:02:58.080 purpose

02:02:58.580 was

02:02:58.860 so

02:02:59.080 that

02:02:59.240 we

02:02:59.420 could

02:02:59.620 fight

02:03:00.340 it

02:03:00.480 out

02:03:00.640 until

02:03:00.840 we

02:03:01.380 had

02:03:01.540 a

02:03:01.680 solution

02:03:01.980 so

02:03:02.200 we

02:03:02.340 didn't

02:03:02.520 have

02:03:02.680 to

02:03:02.800 fight

02:03:02.960 about

02:03:03.180 that

02:03:03.380 thing

02:03:03.580 anymore

02:03:03.920 and

02:03:04.560 the

02:03:04.700 solution

02:03:05.040 was

02:03:05.300 that

02:03:05.440 one

02:03:05.960 we

02:03:06.120 jointly

02:03:06.460 agreed

02:03:06.900 on

02:03:07.140 and

02:03:07.800 so

02:03:07.940 one

02:03:08.100 of

02:03:08.160 the

02:03:08.260 consequences

02:03:08.820 of

02:03:09.100 that

02:03:09.400 and

02:03:10.380 that's

02:03:10.900 taken

02:03:11.180 a

02:03:11.360 very

02:03:11.520 long

02:03:11.780 time

02:03:12.080 and

02:03:12.220 it's

02:03:12.400 never

02:03:13.120 ending

02:03:13.400 process

02:03:14.080 you know

02:03:14.620 because

02:03:14.900 you

02:03:15.460 encounter

02:03:15.940 complex

02:03:16.480 things

02:03:16.800 when

02:03:16.980 you're

02:03:17.140 a

02:03:17.280 couple

02:03:17.520 and

02:03:17.800 the

02:03:18.340 solutions

02:03:18.740 to

02:03:18.980 them

02:03:19.100 aren't

02:03:19.280 obvious

02:03:19.680 and

02:03:19.960 one

02:03:20.200 person

02:03:20.480 thinks

02:03:20.720 one

02:03:20.920 thing

02:03:21.120 and

02:03:21.220 the

02:03:21.320 other

02:03:21.460 person

02:03:21.760 thinks

02:03:22.020 another

02:03:22.260 thing

02:03:22.520 and

02:03:22.660 who

02:03:22.980 the

02:03:23.100 hell

02:03:23.240 knows

02:03:23.540 who's

02:03:24.200 right

02:03:24.520 so

02:03:25.060 you

02:03:25.760 have

02:03:25.940 to

02:03:26.040 have

02:03:26.160 a

02:03:26.300 struggle

02:03:26.560 about

02:03:26.880 it

02:03:27.020 and

02:03:27.140 you

02:03:27.260 have

02:03:27.420 to

02:03:27.540 come

02:03:27.700 up

02:03:27.840 with

02:03:27.960 a

02:03:28.080 consensus

02:03:28.540 and

02:03:28.820 it's

02:03:28.980 really

02:03:29.200 hard

02:03:29.560 but

02:03:30.920 I'll

02:03:31.440 tell

02:03:31.620 you

02:03:31.820 a couple

02:03:32.400 of

02:03:32.560 the

02:03:32.680 advantages

02:03:33.160 to

02:03:33.940 that

02:03:34.240 that

02:03:34.980 have

02:03:35.120 been

02:03:35.280 advantages

02:03:35.760 to

02:03:36.060 me

02:03:36.440 so

02:03:37.120 because

02:03:37.600 we'd

02:03:38.300 sorted

02:03:38.540 out

02:03:38.760 we've

02:03:39.000 been

02:03:39.140 married

02:03:39.360 almost

02:03:39.660 30

02:03:39.940 years

02:03:40.240 now

02:03:40.560 and

02:03:40.760 we've

02:03:43.180 had

02:03:43.440 our

02:03:43.700 fights

02:03:44.620 about

02:03:44.940 many

02:03:45.760 many

02:03:46.000 things

02:03:46.380 but

02:03:46.740 always

02:03:47.340 made

02:03:47.640 peace

02:03:48.060 because

02:03:48.400 it

02:03:48.560 doesn't

02:03:48.760 matter

02:03:49.000 if

02:03:49.180 you

02:03:49.280 fight

02:03:49.620 you

02:03:50.920 have

02:03:51.160 to

02:03:51.340 fight

02:03:51.620 what

02:03:52.500 matters

02:03:52.860 is

02:03:53.080 whether

02:03:53.820 or not

02:03:54.000 you

02:03:54.120 make

02:03:54.320 peace

02:03:54.620 as a

02:03:54.920 consequence

02:03:55.260 of

02:03:55.520 the

02:03:55.640 fight

02:03:55.880 that's

02:03:56.440 what

02:03:56.560 matters

02:03:56.940 and

02:03:57.340 to

02:03:57.460 make

02:03:57.660 peace

02:03:57.960 is

02:03:58.100 to

02:03:58.240 come

02:03:58.400 to

02:03:58.520 a

02:03:58.640 negotiated

02:03:59.100 solution

02:03:59.660 and

02:04:00.420 so

02:04:00.520 we

02:04:00.660 came

02:04:00.860 to

02:04:01.000 a

02:04:01.120 negotiated

02:04:01.580 solution

02:04:02.080 about

02:04:02.380 a lot

02:04:02.660 of

02:04:02.800 things

02:04:03.180 and

02:04:03.860 some

02:04:04.080 of

02:04:04.180 that

02:04:04.360 was

02:04:04.660 really

02:04:04.860 helpful

02:04:05.200 because

02:04:05.640 we

02:04:06.420 had

02:04:06.580 done

02:04:06.760 that

02:04:06.980 my

02:04:07.300 daughter

02:04:07.560 got

02:04:07.780 really

02:04:08.020 ill

02:04:08.300 for

02:04:08.500 about

02:04:08.720 five

02:04:09.080 years

02:04:09.420 and

02:04:09.660 it

02:04:09.840 was

02:04:09.980 an

02:04:10.180 absolute

02:04:10.600 bloody

02:04:10.980 catastrophe

02:04:11.580 but

02:04:12.360 we

02:04:12.840 weren't

02:04:13.280 at

02:04:13.520 each

02:04:13.760 other's

02:04:14.180 throat

02:04:14.500 during

02:04:14.960 it

02:04:15.220 and

02:04:16.260 thank

02:04:16.620 god

02:04:16.960 because

02:04:17.260 it

02:04:17.560 would

02:04:17.680 have

02:04:17.800 sunk

02:04:18.040 us

02:04:18.360 for

02:04:19.380 sure

02:04:19.700 because

02:04:20.120 we

02:04:20.280 were

02:04:20.420 pushed

02:04:20.720 right

02:04:20.980 to

02:04:21.140 our

02:04:21.300 limit

02:04:21.560 and

02:04:22.040 had

02:04:22.240 we

02:04:22.420 had

02:04:22.780 300

02:04:24.580 unresolved

02:04:25.560 fights

02:04:26.120 we

02:04:26.820 would

02:04:26.980 have

02:04:27.060 been

02:04:27.220 done

02:04:27.800 and

02:04:28.840 so

02:04:29.060 and

02:04:29.220 then

02:04:29.420 in

02:04:30.460 the

02:04:30.580 last

02:04:30.800 two

02:04:31.000 years

02:04:31.260 when

02:04:31.420 all

02:04:31.560 this

02:04:31.700 political

02:04:32.040 stuff

02:04:32.460 emerged

02:04:33.040 it's

02:04:33.260 been

02:04:33.420 quite

02:04:33.640 the

02:04:33.840 chaotic

02:04:34.180 mess

02:04:34.940 and

02:04:35.700 we

02:04:36.580 but

02:04:37.060 we

02:04:37.500 had

02:04:37.780 things

02:04:38.140 in

02:04:38.280 our

02:04:38.420 family

02:04:38.800 pretty

02:04:39.280 sorted

02:04:39.800 out

02:04:40.140 and

02:04:41.200 because

02:04:41.640 of

02:04:41.840 that

02:04:42.140 we

02:04:42.880 weren't

02:04:43.200 at

02:04:43.400 each

02:04:43.620 other's

02:04:43.980 throats

02:04:44.320 while

02:04:44.560 all

02:04:44.820 of

02:04:44.980 this

02:04:45.180 political

02:04:45.620 stuff

02:04:46.060 came

02:04:46.420 down

02:04:46.700 and

02:04:47.040 at

02:04:47.320 the

02:04:47.500 same

02:04:47.700 time

02:04:47.940 that

02:04:48.120 happened

02:04:48.440 I

02:04:48.600 had

02:04:48.800 a lot

02:04:49.000 of

02:04:49.120 health

02:04:49.360 problems

02:04:49.880 and

02:04:50.100 so

02:04:50.340 now

02:04:52.780 there was

02:04:54.080 a reason

02:04:54.360 I was

02:04:54.620 telling you

02:04:55.020 all this

02:04:55.280 it was

02:04:55.500 related to

02:04:55.980 what I

02:04:56.200 was

02:04:56.340 doing

02:04:56.560 next

02:04:56.980 so

02:05:00.300 anyway

02:05:00.680 so

02:05:00.940 we've

02:05:01.160 been

02:05:01.280 able to

02:05:01.700 pursue

02:05:02.880 this

02:05:03.240 tour

02:05:03.540 that

02:05:03.820 was

02:05:04.160 the

02:05:04.320 whole

02:05:04.480 point

02:05:05.300 of

02:05:05.460 this

02:05:05.700 and

02:05:05.860 to

02:05:05.960 add

02:05:06.180 these

02:05:06.380 20

02:05:06.640 cities

02:05:06.980 and

02:05:09.800 I

02:05:10.180 wouldn't

02:05:10.440 be

02:05:10.560 able

02:05:10.700 to

02:05:10.840 do

02:05:11.000 this

02:05:11.380 without

02:05:12.040 her

02:05:12.560 help

02:05:13.000 and

02:05:13.580 she

02:05:13.780 wouldn't

02:05:14.000 be

02:05:14.120 able

02:05:14.200 to

02:05:14.260 help

02:05:14.480 me

02:05:14.760 unless

02:05:15.800 we

02:05:16.040 had

02:05:16.200 got

02:05:16.440 things

02:05:16.940 sorted

02:05:17.300 out

02:05:17.560 because

02:05:17.840 she's

02:05:18.180 been

02:05:18.360 able

02:05:18.560 to

02:05:18.740 throw

02:05:18.960 her

02:05:19.180 full

02:05:19.460 support

02:05:19.900 behind

02:05:20.520 all

02:05:20.860 of

02:05:21.000 this

02:05:21.200 and

02:05:21.640 that

02:05:21.800 was

02:05:21.940 necessary

02:05:22.460 in

02:05:22.720 order

02:05:22.860 to

02:05:23.040 do

02:05:23.180 it

02:05:23.300 right

02:05:23.560 so

02:05:24.020 that

02:05:24.180 was

02:05:24.340 all

02:05:24.500 real

02:05:24.720 useful

02:05:25.180 we

02:05:25.860 haven't

02:05:26.320 figured

02:05:26.600 out

02:05:26.940 yeah

02:05:27.320 that

02:05:27.540 was

02:05:27.720 it

02:05:27.920 because

02:05:28.320 I

02:05:28.440 said

02:05:28.680 we

02:05:28.980 we

02:05:29.620 haven't

02:05:30.200 figured

02:05:30.520 out

02:05:30.880 what

02:05:31.260 we're

02:05:39.800 certainly

02:05:40.580 uncharted

02:05:41.120 territory

02:05:41.540 for me

02:05:42.140 it's

02:05:42.360 like

02:05:42.540 what

02:05:42.900 the

02:05:43.040 hell

02:05:43.200 are

02:05:43.320 all

02:05:43.460 you

02:05:43.580 people

02:05:43.820 doing

02:05:44.140 here

02:05:44.460 you

02:05:46.960 know

02:05:47.100 it's

02:05:47.360 not

02:05:47.600 obvious

02:05:48.040 at

02:05:48.400 all

02:05:48.760 none

02:05:49.080 of

02:05:49.180 this

02:05:49.340 is

02:05:49.480 obvious

02:05:49.920 and

02:05:50.280 so

02:05:50.500 it

02:05:51.040 seems

02:05:51.380 to

02:05:51.560 me

02:05:51.780 though

02:05:51.980 that

02:05:52.180 like

02:05:52.500 I'm

02:05:52.680 enjoying

02:05:53.060 these

02:05:53.360 talks

02:05:53.760 and

02:05:53.920 the

02:05:54.020 audience

02:05:54.320 seems

02:05:54.600 to

02:05:54.740 be

02:05:54.880 enjoying

02:05:55.240 them

02:05:55.500 and

02:05:56.060 you

02:05:56.320 seem

02:05:56.500 to

02:05:56.620 be

02:05:56.760 enjoying

02:05:57.100 them

02:05:57.320 and

02:05:57.500 so

02:05:57.760 we're

02:05:58.480 going

02:05:58.580 to

02:05:58.660 keep

02:05:58.820 doing

02:05:59.120 that

02:05:59.440 because

02:05:59.800 it

02:06:00.140 looks

02:06:00.380 like

02:06:00.620 a

02:06:00.740 good

02:06:00.880 thing

02:06:01.280 and

02:06:01.560 so

02:06:09.800 oh

02:06:10.920 and

02:06:12.000 and

02:06:12.520 one

02:06:12.700 other

02:06:12.900 thing

02:06:13.180 I

02:06:13.660 am

02:06:13.860 definitely

02:06:14.740 assuming

02:06:15.460 that

02:06:15.700 I'm

02:06:15.940 I

02:06:16.180 don't

02:06:16.420 expire

02:06:16.980 before

02:06:17.440 it

02:06:17.620 happens

02:06:17.980 I'm

02:06:18.640 definitely

02:06:19.020 going

02:06:19.480 to

02:06:19.660 go

02:06:19.840 back

02:06:20.140 to

02:06:20.360 the

02:06:20.740 biblical

02:06:21.320 lectures

02:06:21.820 because

02:06:22.060 I'm

02:06:22.260 going

02:06:22.440 to

02:06:22.600 do

02:06:22.780 so

02:06:27.480 I'm

02:06:28.240 going to

02:06:28.820 start

02:06:29.120 with the

02:06:29.620 exodus

02:06:30.180 stories

02:06:30.800 in

02:06:31.100 November

02:06:31.540 that's

02:06:32.000 the

02:06:32.140 plan

02:06:32.420 at

02:06:32.640 the

02:06:32.740 moment

02:06:32.940 I'm

02:06:33.160 really

02:06:33.320 looking

02:06:33.580 forward

02:06:33.860 to

02:06:34.020 that

02:06:34.140 I

02:06:34.280 don't

02:06:34.500 think

02:06:34.700 there's

02:06:34.920 anything

02:06:35.220 more

02:06:35.600 important

02:06:37.260 if

02:06:38.380 anything

02:06:38.740 that I'm

02:06:39.180 doing

02:06:39.400 is

02:06:39.600 important

02:06:39.980 I

02:06:40.180 don't

02:06:40.400 think

02:06:40.620 there's

02:06:40.840 anything

02:06:41.120 more

02:06:41.420 important

02:06:41.820 than

02:06:42.060 continuing

02:06:42.540 those

02:06:42.820 biblical

02:06:43.140 lectures

02:06:43.600 because

02:06:43.980 I've

02:06:44.580 really

02:06:44.800 learned

02:06:45.120 a lot

02:06:45.680 from

02:06:45.920 doing

02:06:46.220 it

02:06:46.400 and

02:06:46.660 they

02:06:47.600 seem

02:06:47.900 to be

02:06:48.360 useful

02:06:48.840 to

02:06:49.060 people

02:06:49.360 so

02:06:49.700 great

02:06:50.680 so

02:06:51.200 yeah

02:06:52.220 buzzfeed

02:06:59.560 headline

02:07:00.020 tomorrow

02:07:00.620 Jordan

02:07:01.140 Peterson

02:07:01.640 tells

02:07:02.140 alt-right

02:07:02.780 crowd

02:07:03.200 what the

02:07:03.680 hell

02:07:03.840 are you

02:07:04.100 doing

02:07:04.440 here

02:07:04.780 all

02:07:11.100 right

02:07:11.240 man

02:07:11.520 well

02:07:11.900 I'm

02:07:12.540 going

02:07:12.920 to

02:07:13.000 get

02:07:13.140 out

02:07:13.280 of

02:07:13.360 the

02:07:13.420 way

02:07:13.600 here

02:07:13.880 and

02:07:14.000 let

02:07:14.160 them

02:07:14.340 applaud

02:07:14.620 for

02:07:14.800 you

02:07:14.900 but

02:07:15.040 you

02:07:15.140 know

02:07:15.200 there's

02:07:15.380 been

02:07:15.480 a couple

02:07:15.800 shows

02:07:16.180 along

02:07:16.500 the

02:07:16.640 way

02:07:16.900 that I

02:07:17.260 felt

02:07:17.460 like

02:07:17.660 things

02:07:18.000 kind

02:07:18.360 of

02:07:18.480 leveled

02:07:18.880 up

02:07:19.060 and I

02:07:19.300 think

02:07:19.460 tonight

02:07:19.760 was

02:07:20.140 one

02:07:20.880 of

02:07:21.020 them

02:07:21.260 so

02:07:21.520 on

02:07:21.740 that

02:07:21.980 note

02:07:22.260 I'm

02:07:22.600 going

02:07:22.680 to

02:07:22.780 scooch

02:07:23.120 this

02:07:23.360 way

02:07:23.680 give

02:07:24.160 it up

02:07:24.380 for

02:07:24.500 Dr.

02:07:24.740 Jordan

02:07:25.040 Peterson

02:07:25.400 everybody

02:07:25.940 thank you

02:07:32.080 all very

02:07:32.480 much for

02:07:32.880 coming

02:07:33.140 it was

02:07:33.460 a pleasure

02:07:33.860 talking

02:07:34.340 with you

02:07:34.820 good

02:07:35.860 night

02:07:36.120 if you

02:07:37.700 haven't

02:07:38.000 already

02:07:38.300 read them

02:07:38.800 you might

02:07:39.260 think about

02:07:39.680 picking up

02:07:40.140 dad's

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02:07:40.800 12 rules

02:07:41.560 for life

02:07:42.020 an antidote

02:07:42.680 to chaos

02:07:43.280 and maps

02:07:44.080 of meaning

02:07:44.540 the architecture

02:07:45.340 of belief

02:07:45.900 go to

02:07:46.540 jordanbpeterson.com

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02:07:49.720 and text

02:07:50.360 links

02:07:50.780 next week

02:07:52.120 I'll present

02:07:52.680 my conversation

02:07:53.620 with British

02:07:54.380 DJ

02:07:55.040 musician

02:07:55.900 artist

02:07:56.520 and meaning

02:07:57.180 wave

02:07:57.520 originator

02:07:58.280 Akira

02:07:58.980 the

02:07:59.200 dawn

02:07:59.580 Akira

02:08:00.640 mixes

02:08:01.020 music

02:08:01.500 with

02:08:01.740 content

02:08:02.200 from

02:08:02.520 my

02:08:02.780 lectures

02:08:03.220 and

02:08:03.800 those

02:08:04.040 of

02:08:04.200 people

02:08:04.480 such

02:08:04.780 as

02:08:05.000 Jocko

02:08:05.480 Willink

02:08:06.020 Terence

02:08:06.720 McKenna

02:08:07.260 and

02:08:07.740 Ellen

02:08:08.060 Watts

02:08:08.580 he's

02:08:09.400 very

02:08:09.620 careful

02:08:10.020 with

02:08:10.280 the

02:08:10.420 choice

02:08:10.800 and

02:08:11.060 cadence

02:08:11.460 of

02:08:11.680 the

02:08:11.840 words

02:08:12.260 the

02:08:12.740 timing

02:08:13.120 and

02:08:13.660 the

02:08:13.800 melodies

02:08:14.160 and

02:08:14.840 he's

02:08:15.020 accrued

02:08:15.440 millions

02:08:15.920 of

02:08:16.280 devoted

02:08:16.660 listeners

02:08:17.200 in

02:08:17.900 the

02:08:18.040 process

02:08:18.660 thank

02:08:19.080 you

02:08:19.260 that's

02:08:19.680 that

02:08:19.840 was

02:08:20.000 my

02:08:20.320 yeah

02:08:22.020 I

02:08:22.200 really

02:08:22.400 didn't

02:08:22.860 want

02:08:23.020 to

02:08:23.140 do

02:08:23.280 disservice

02:08:23.800 to

02:08:24.800 those

02:08:25.260 words

02:08:25.680 because

02:08:27.060 I

02:08:27.180 respect

02:08:27.500 them

02:08:27.640 greatly

02:08:27.920 and

02:08:28.360 I'm

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02:08:28.600 grateful

02:08:28.940 for

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The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast - April 07, 2019

12 Rules Portland： Technology, Temperament & Free Speech

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