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00:00:58.240 I'm Michaela Peterson. This is a very urgent episode again. This is a follow-up episode to the recent

00:01:04.920 podcast about Canadian Bill 67. Dad had Rex Murphy on again to discuss the bill, which claims to be

00:01:12.260 nothing but an anti-racist bill, but is in fact the most pernicious and dangerous piece of legislation

00:01:18.580 that our government has ever tried to push. This is relevant to our listeners in the U.S. too, as it sets a

00:01:24.220 precedent for how far people will allow the government to sneakily take away their freedoms. For those who

00:01:30.260 don't know him, Rex is a Canadian commentator and author who specializes in political and social issues.

00:01:36.020 He's also hosted CBC Radio 1's cross-country checkup, a nationwide call-in show for 21 years.

00:01:43.640 Rex is a very well-recognized and beloved figure in Canada. After giving an outline of the bill, they discuss

00:01:48.940 ideology, potential long-term consequences, and the role of education and how that responsibility is being

00:01:54.920 forgotten by Western educators, politicians, and left-wing activists across the country. I hope you enjoy this

00:02:01.300 conversation.

00:02:06.020 Hello, everyone. I'm here today again with Mr. Rex Murphy, one of Canada's preeminent journalists,

00:02:26.540 and we're going to talk today about a piece of legislation that is through second reading in the

00:02:32.640 Ontario Legislature, Bill 67, which is known as the Racial Equity in the Education System Act.

00:02:44.260 And I've made a couple of videos, and Rex has now written a column about this particular piece of

00:02:48.580 legislation. Some other people, like Barbara Kay, have been trying to draw attention to it. And so

00:02:53.480 we're going to talk today a little bit more about it and go into it in more detail and

00:02:58.020 try to try to alert Canadians to how they should think about the bill, perhaps, and why they might

00:03:05.960 be concerned about it if they're inclined to be concerned about such things. So, Rex, maybe I'll let

00:03:11.480 you start, and then maybe we can address some of the specifics of the bill.

00:03:16.040 Well, to begin with, the Bill 67, as in your previous two podcasts, your own individual one and

00:03:23.360 the group, you do point out the very obvious thing that you're introducing into the entire

00:03:31.380 educational system of a province. What is an ideology? There's no need to walk around these

00:03:37.840 words. And it also, in my mind, shows a continuation of a perversion, a twisting away from its normal

00:03:47.400 career course, a perversion of what the idea of education is. It seems now that in every possible

00:03:55.300 social justice or critical racist or transgender, whatever the cause is, the schools of North

00:04:03.780 America, but now we're going to get to Ontario specifically, the schools of North America have

00:04:08.460 decided to make themselves centers of social attitude formation. The purpose of education is to open

00:04:16.700 a mind. It is to bring a mind into its capacity. It is to treat a mind to learn from itself. And it is

00:04:26.340 always to be fundamentally the inculcation of the absolute necessary skills for a man or a woman,

00:04:34.940 a boy or a girl to function in the society. Computation, literacy, history. One very general point I want to

00:04:44.080 make at the very beginning of this chat, is that the schools have forgotten what they are. And instead

00:04:51.540 of building these competencies and establishing character over time through the disciplines of

00:04:58.060 understood instruction, they rent themselves out to the cause of the moment. And worse than that,

00:05:05.360 in the case of critical race theory in particular, and this new bill in Ontario,

00:05:09.860 they put adhesion tape on themselves, and they make the exterior or ulterior possibilities of

00:05:19.260 education, we shouldn't be racists, the absolute core of their function and being. Let me give you

00:05:25.060 a parallel. When I was at CBC about eight or nine years ago, CBC, for the benefit of audience outside of

00:05:32.100 Canada, is a television and radio communication service. It's a national broadcast service. And

00:05:38.680 its main concern is first the news, and then the idea of the nation. However, in CBC, and it was

00:05:46.260 established in written policy, it was put out to all radio and all television programs, that our number

00:05:52.620 one objective, our number one objective is diversity. Now, if you're a broadcaster, your number one

00:06:00.200 objective is broadcasting. And if you're a school, if you're a school, this is almost holy, it's vocational

00:06:07.480 for sure, your number one objective is to build a character and mind of the students within by discipline

00:06:14.740 instruction in understood courses, and nothing to do with pre-planted, and in this particular case, divisive and

00:06:24.380 pernicious ideologies. So why the Ontario government of Doug Ford, which is conservative, has latched on to an

00:06:34.700 American-inspired, ideological, and hard left movement, and made it a central dynamic of the entire educational

00:06:44.380 network. I've watched your videos. This is insane. And when parents learn that their schools are no longer making their

00:06:53.740 their lives better through better reading and better teaching, by the way, whenever has a school board

00:06:59.260 in Ontario put out one of those wonderful bulletins advising them, oh, how much our students have tuned

00:07:06.300 into poetry? How much our students are now really alive with the spirit of mathematics? No, it's all

00:07:13.260 environment, it's racism, it's identity politics, it's sexual politics. They have every agenda,

00:07:20.140 agenda, but the agenda that only a school should have. That's my overview.

00:07:25.660 Well, one of the things I would say about that is that the ideals of education that you just espoused,

00:07:32.540 so the development of individual capacity for literacy and numeracy and an appreciation of history,

00:07:39.100 are all predicated on the idea that the purpose of the school is to develop sovereign individual

00:07:45.020 citizens. And what people need to understand about the ideology that underlies this bill is that

00:07:52.460 none of that is accepted as valid within the confines of that ideology. So people are best

00:08:00.540 conceptualized and only ethically conceptualized as members of groups and racial groups, particularly

00:08:08.540 for this bill, but the other group identities are not lurking far behind and are equally valid.

00:08:13.580 And the entire purpose of the education system is to teach people that group identity is paramount,

00:08:20.460 and that moral people do nothing but strive to reduce all perceived inequalities between all perceived

00:08:28.940 groups. And so it's fundamentally anti-individualist. And so the people, and I don't believe this is an

00:08:36.060 overstatement, the people who wrote that bill would regard your view of education as

00:08:43.580 racist because it doesn't give racial categories epistemological philosophical priority.

00:08:51.660 And so we might take a look at some of the details of the bill because the details matter.

00:08:56.460 And so, for example, we could say, if you're racist, so this is

00:09:00.860 racism means the use of socially constructed ideas of race. And so you have to accept that to begin with,

00:09:16.460 that there's an attempt there to insist that the theories of social constructionism are going to be

00:09:22.860 paramount. We can get to that later, to justify or support, whether consciously or unconsciously,

00:09:31.260 subconsciously, the notion that one race is superior to another.

00:09:35.900 Okay, so we could focus just on that, which is like one 100th of the bill. So now, if I believe that

00:09:44.380 you're subconsciously racist, then that constitutes, well, that's the question. What does that constitute?

00:09:53.260 Something to be worked against? Now, you're racist if you're subconsciously racist. Now,

00:09:59.180 the question is, well, what does it mean to be subconsciously racist? And then the next question

00:10:03.740 is, well, who gets to decide if you're subconsciously racist? And what does that mean? And so, if you

00:10:10.220 believe, for example, that Canada has strived mightily in its past, in its flawed manner, to promote a

00:10:18.380 society where people have equality of opportunity, somewhat independently of their group categories,

00:10:25.820 if I believe that explicitly, or if that shapes my perceptions, does that now mean that I'm racist?

00:10:31.020 And I would say, according to the dictates of this bill, it certainly does mean that.

00:10:36.780 Well, and there are so many contradictions involved in the pseudo, because it's not a philosophy.

00:10:42.940 It's an ideology. It is, to use their own word, a construct for political and social advantage.

00:10:49.420 And we have a whole lot of them, which I'll probably get into later.

00:10:52.780 Let's go to a couple of those points that you made. I heard, and this is, I have a good memory.

00:10:58.060 I heard this as long ago as 1985. It stuck in my mind for various reasons. It was a very,

00:11:05.180 very popular CBC show, and the biggest host at the time, and probably the biggest host of a radio

00:11:10.620 program ever was Peter Zosky. And funny thing, that's almost 40 years ago, that he was being

00:11:18.300 interviewed by some race expert at the time. And Peter Zosky, because he was always that kind of,

00:11:25.180 you know, contempt of the open, extremely liberal person, he asked the question, and this is why

00:11:30.140 it reminded me of it. How can I know? He was accepting the theory, by the way. How can I know that

00:11:36.620 I'm unconscious? Can I be unconsciously racist? Well, you're just throwing out everything.

00:11:42.700 You throw out the moral decision. You throw out the determination not to look at other people and

00:11:49.100 judge them on exterior or stringent characteristics. You empty the whole moral idea of a Martin Luther

00:11:57.180 King and his famous, famous phrase, content of the character, not color of their skin. You also,

00:12:03.500 this is amazing that an educational institution, a school board or a department of education,

00:12:10.860 could allow this slippery concept of unconscious bias, which by definition is ineffable, is unreachable,

00:12:19.500 is untestable. If you don't know you're unconscious bias, unconsciously biased, how in the hell does someone

00:12:27.260 else looking at you, forgetting your external characteristics and your external actions determine,

00:12:34.060 oh, on the basis of my scaffolding of a philosophy, I know you are. And then you could turn the question

00:12:41.100 around. I often wonder about these wonderful anti-bias trainings that teachers and poor people

00:12:47.260 in corporations in the CBC in particular drag their employees off to anti-bias. I always want to know

00:12:54.860 if the person up in the front of the class of that kind, how do we know that she's not biased?

00:13:01.180 If she's going to peddle this tripe, Jordan, it really is. When did we get so childish that we

00:13:07.900 accept these things? Those explicit training programs too, by definition, can't address implicit bias,

00:13:14.780 because the only way you can address implicit bias is by mass practice and repetitive training.

00:13:20.620 And so, even by the dictates of the theory itself, the proposed mechanism of remediation

00:13:27.580 is impossible. And so, here's another clause from the bill. If, in the opinion of the minister,

00:13:35.820 a report submitted under subsection 1 indicates that the board's new teacher induction program

00:13:42.140 does not include anti-racism and racial equity training, the minister shall inform the board of

00:13:47.820 that fact and shall direct the board to further develop its anti-racism accountability program.

00:13:53.420 And so, what this means, essentially, is that all new teachers are going to be required to accept

00:13:59.900 the doctrines of anti-racism, this anti-racism movement, let's say. And that's not the same as

00:14:06.300 non-racism, right? No, it's not.

00:14:08.060 So, the idea that you're non-racist, for example, if you strive not to let a prior

00:14:18.300 judgments about skin color, for example, you treat everyone the same, that's not good enough. Even

00:14:23.980 your intent to treat, it's not good enough. You have to be an activist in the anti-racism training

00:14:31.500 movement to be a qualified teacher, or the minister has to take action. And it means you have to accept the

00:14:37.660 equity doctrine, which is that all differences in outcome are a consequence of systemic racism,

00:14:44.700 right? System-wide, and that if you don't accept that, well, then you're also racist. And so,

00:14:52.700 I should point out that this doctrine is so extreme that moderate leftists in the U.S. reject it out of

00:14:58.540 hand.

00:14:58.860 Well, again, on the very, very last point, that's also extremely interesting in the politics of Canada.

00:15:05.660 You've had revolts at school board. You've had school board members tossed out because

00:15:09.500 either surreptitiously or silently, they slyly brought anti-racism, critical race theory,

00:15:17.260 into every aspect of the curriculum. And when the parents started seeing some of these bulletins,

00:15:22.300 or the word came out, they went to the school board, Luden is the most famous example,

00:15:26.620 and said, what in the hell are you doing? In fact, one parent got arrested for protesting some of the

00:15:32.380 books that these were passing out to kindergarten to grade five on various sexual and exotic practices.

00:15:39.100 That's the first thing. The second thing is the authoritarian nature of this. You just mentioned that.

00:15:44.700 Teachers have to demonstrate, have to display, have to prove by our standards, by our arbitrary and

00:15:52.780 unfounded assertions that you are not in coincidence with our range of thought. Well,

00:16:00.300 I took an education course a long while ago, and the purpose of an education degree was to get

00:16:07.340 competence in the idea of instruction, and in any good one, to also have a particular discipline or two

00:16:14.700 in which you really learned the discipline so that you could pass it on. When did these external things,

00:16:21.260 these, must you now show, by the way, that you're in favor of a carbon tax if you're going to be a

00:16:27.180 teacher? There's no difference. Where did the teacher's profession and the teacher's unions,

00:16:32.700 which are strong in every other way, where are they looking back at these anti-racist experts and

00:16:39.340 saying, who are you to change the professional idea and the professional qualifications of certified

00:16:47.260 teachers? And where are the teachers themselves? If the teachers have value, it is that they seek

00:16:53.260 truth, that they give to their students the appetite for truth, that they do not submit to forced ideas

00:17:00.540 and indoctrination. And if you're educated, and that's what a teacher is, then he or she looks at this

00:17:07.100 particular thing and says, oh, why? If you say the cause is good, then we can do anything. We can

00:17:12.620 change the thing. We can enter every aspect of this curriculum. We can impose on you that you have this

00:17:19.340 set of ideas. Jordan, I'm serious. I really am. I do not know how we've become so complicit,

00:17:31.260 how we accept second-rate so-called theories, hard-left politics pushing into every domain

00:17:39.100 of cardinal civil life. And here you have it in Ontario because it's a scandal. If you want to

00:17:46.380 call yourself a conservative government, I don't care if you are or not, but if you call yourself

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00:20:48.940 The government's now required to establish and provide annual professional development programs

00:20:58.940 to educate teachers and other staff of the board about promoting racial equity and developing the

00:21:04.220 necessary tools to address racism. So those are ongoing indoctrination sessions to provide programs,

00:21:10.860 et cetera, or other supports for students, et cetera, who've been targeted by racism.

00:21:15.420 So, and then worse to establish a protocol for recognizing, acknowledging, tracking, measuring,

00:21:22.300 investigating, and responding to incidents of racism reported by students, teachers, staff,

00:21:27.660 parents, or the school community. And so what all you have to do is think about that for 15 seconds

00:21:34.860 to understand that this is the establishment of boards of inquisition that are quasi judicial,

00:21:41.340 that have an almost unlimited range of arbitrary judgment and power. Here's another one. Every

00:21:56.620 person who disrupts or attempts to disrupt the proceedings of a school or class through the use

00:22:01.260 of racist language or by engaging in racist activities. Now, who decides that? And that's,

00:22:06.940 that's the cardinal question is guilty of an offense and on conviction is liable to a fine of not more

00:22:13.500 than $200. And anti-racism is its purpose is to advance racial equity and racial equity is the

00:22:23.340 insistence that every occupation and every category of position be distributed through the population in

00:22:32.300 precise accordance with the percentage of the people who are

00:22:36.940 of that group identity in the general population. That's what racial equity means. It's equality of

00:22:43.500 outcome. Let's make no mistake about it. It has nothing to do with the equality of opportunity that

00:22:49.020 Canadians regard as central to their, uh, to their ideal vision.

00:22:54.540 Well, I started the very first one there. I mean, that great list, and you're right, the word

00:23:00.140 inquisition is, is not idly picked. This is the other thing that should not only worry, but it should be

00:23:06.460 repellent, uh, that there's one segment of the population or one segment of activists who have

00:23:12.300 decided that they have, uh, the new decalogue, uh, on public virtue, particularly anti-racism, which

00:23:19.900 as a, as a, as a concept, everyone will agree with who wants to be racist, but they aggravate the

00:23:25.420 circumstance to a tremendous degree and they arrogate to themselves. And now with the complicity

00:23:31.740 of the, of the Ontario government, the right to judge and the right to tell and the right to say

00:23:37.420 what is right and what is wrong, we have for a hundred years deplored the great authoritarian systems

00:23:45.260 of communism and fascism and Nazism, where they impose thoughts, the cultural revolution, where if you

00:23:52.940 didn't think and say the right thing, you got beaten with bamboo poles.

00:23:56.620 The West has never said to any group of sovereign individuals that one set has every right thought

00:24:05.980 and the rest of you, if you don't bend to us, which is what this is, if you don't bend to us,

00:24:10.780 you're a racist, you're a massage, the truckers protest. It's a really good one. If anyone now wants

00:24:17.020 to protest what they see as dangerous in the anti-racism ideology, is that going to be an emergency act too?

00:24:25.660 Are there certain sets of liberal thoughts that are so special that they completely eviscerate the

00:24:35.420 entire concept of civil liberties, free speech, intellectual challenge, and authority? Let me

00:24:40.300 give you a little quote to understand that this thing is not isolated and it doesn't come just from

00:24:46.140 the activist groups. It's only back in last May when Mr. Trudeau was talking about certain things

00:24:51.900 and he was talking about, you know, the nature of Canadian institutions. I think I have, he was going

00:24:59.180 on to say that we have in the building across the way, I'm quoting now from memory, I thought I had it

00:25:03.820 written, in the building across the way we've seen the systemic disadvantages built into the Canadian

00:25:10.780 political system. We are systemically racist. Now there's another another word to pause on for a while.

00:25:17.500 When we stopped, and by the way, if you walk out into the city of Toronto, you live here,

00:25:22.940 how is it that a systemically racist country like Canada has its biggest city and it looks like some

00:25:31.020 some parade of all the world? How did it come to pass that we who are so mingy and so close and so

00:25:39.500 unconsciously and systemically racist in all our institutions and historically, as Mr. Trudeau said,

00:25:45.180 this is one of the most welcoming places in the world. I got smacked across the face for simply

00:25:50.860 writing that in the column. When the Vietnamese were floating on the waves after the terrible wars

00:25:58.140 in Vietnam, bang, most welcome, come in as soon as you can. A smaller episode, when the planes went down

00:26:06.380 on 9-11 and all the passengers disembarked in Gambo and Gander, they didn't stop to ask them where you

00:26:12.700 were from or what color you are. They took all into their houses and places. We have allowed this

00:26:19.580 from the leadership down, we have allowed this thought that if we swoon ourselves with self-apology

00:26:26.540 and we call ourselves bigots and we apologize for every aspect of a wonderful nation,

00:26:32.460 this is where all this stuff comes in from. There's the license. And now you've got it in the

00:26:37.660 sophisticated province of Ontario with a ridiculously overpriced educational system throwing out the

00:26:44.060 curriculum and bringing in attitude indoctrination based on false theses and a very authoritarian

00:26:51.020 impulse. Imagine if you're a teacher and you see that perhaps the white students in your class

00:26:57.500 are not receiving the instruction they should, that they're being degraded because

00:27:01.340 they bear historical stigma. And you say this is bad for their self-esteem. You can get fired now.

00:27:09.020 You can get fired for doing your job. I'm remaining puzzled that an entire caucus

00:27:16.300 and a legislature in the 21st century, most of them, by the way, are educated themselves,

00:27:22.060 allow this thing to dribble in with so little response and so little comment. It's like the protest.

00:27:28.380 When the banks froze all those accounts, I haven't heard a word from any strong opposition.

00:27:33.740 Where did you get the authority to do so? And when does government walk into private

00:27:37.740 citizens' accounts because they don't like what they think? This is just another example of that.

00:27:43.340 So here's another one. A performance appraisal of a teacher shall include competencies related to a

00:27:49.740 teacher's anti-racism awareness. Okay, so competencies related to a teacher's anti-racism awareness. Okay,

00:27:59.660 so now all of a sudden, a teacher's hypothetical anti-racism awareness, whatever that is, is something

00:28:07.020 that's going to be judged as crucial to their, well, to the maintenance of their employment and

00:28:12.140 their progress through the ranks. And so here's the issue. Well, who's going to decide that a teacher is

00:28:18.700 sufficiently anti-racist aware? And how are they going to decide that? And by what standards

00:28:24.940 are they going to judge that? And then even more importantly, who is going to be the judge of that?

00:28:30.460 And why are they in some sort of privileged position to decide whether or not a teacher is

00:28:35.580 sufficiently aware in this anti-racist manner? And the details matter in these sorts of things,

00:28:43.660 because competencies are actually extraordinarily difficult to assess. It's taken people a very

00:28:49.820 long time to build competency assessment in relationship to literacy and numeracy. For example,

00:28:55.900 we do that through objective testing. There are no valid tests. There are no valid and reliable tests,

00:29:02.460 that is measures of something like a teacher's anti-racism awareness.

00:29:08.540 That's the core insult. You're going to test the competency of teachers in their anti-racism

00:29:21.020 buildup. In other words, some agent is going to determine your moral competence, not just anti-racism.

00:29:30.620 When you get to this kind of competency testing, what you're saying is, I'm going to decide whether

00:29:37.820 you're a good person or a bad person. Now, it might be difficult with the psychological measurements that

00:29:43.020 you have to determine competency in English or mathematics or history. It's difficult, but you

00:29:49.100 can get some reasonable idea of it. But if I look at you and I decide from a distance, and if I'm also

00:29:56.060 saturated with a particularly radical perspective, then maybe I don't like you as well. Why not?

00:30:02.220 Throw that in there, because it's all subjective here. Ah, you're not anti-racist enough. I think you

00:30:08.780 should be anti-racist more. Where did the possibility of such questions become a possibility? This, it leaves you almost breathless.

00:30:21.420 Why are we willing to assume that expertise in evaluating someone's anti-racism awareness even

00:30:28.060 exists? I put that at the feet in large part in the faculties of education who are clueless enough to

00:30:35.740 be confused about exactly what a competency means and exactly how that might be assessed. And then there's

00:30:43.020 the punitive elements of this too. So there are disciplinary measures described within the framework in

00:30:50.140 response to racism. And remember, this is racism that can be unconscious. And, and it's very difficult

00:30:57.020 to decide when exactly that happens. It's invisible. And if, and it's racism that's defined as the absence

00:31:04.140 of an anti-racist doctrine as well. And so now it can be punished as well. And so then you have to ask

00:31:12.700 yourself, well, who are going to flock to the boards that adjudicate sufficient racism, anti-racism

00:31:20.220 awareness, and who's going to set themselves up as judge and punishers? And the answer is the people you

00:31:26.380 least want to ever do that. And this is outside of any judicial framework, by the way.

00:31:30.780 Oh, absolutely. Never do it. Let me just tell you, you've already, you already know this. Who's going to

00:31:35.020 judge? I'll tell you who are going to judge. The school boards are going to judge. Let me give you a

00:31:39.340 most recent example. The biggest school board in Canada, I assume, the Ontario school board,

00:31:45.660 the most, one of the most highly paid students in Ontario, I think are something over $12,000 and

00:31:51.900 $15,000 a student. Well, let me give you an example of their anti-racist. This is specific.

00:31:57.500 This is real. This is news reporters. There was a young girl. I think she was 12 or 13 at the time

00:32:04.380 in Afghanistan. All of the things that were going on, and you know all about them. Anyway,

00:32:10.300 she got captured by ISIS. She was captured as a young girl. She was put into sex slavery. She was

00:32:20.300 passed around. You can imagine the brutalizations of an orphaned girl in that circumstance. By some

00:32:28.780 supernal effort of will or luck or both, she escapes the damn camp. She escapes the rape of

00:32:38.620 herself by numerous ISIS figures. She then becomes, again, it's an amazing story. She becomes a

00:32:46.060 spokesperson for especially young girls in war conflicts and in those terrible, genuinely terrible

00:32:53.500 circumstances. And by the time she's 15 or 16, I haven't got the details precise. She wins this

00:32:59.580 girl who was captured and tortured and mutilated and raped. She wins the Nobel Prize. This is better

00:33:08.380 than Nelson Mandela, better than Mother Teresa. She wins the Nobel Prize and she becomes a voice,

00:33:14.940 an Afghanistan girl who becomes a voice for the fundamental dignities and liberties

00:33:21.100 of all young girls everywhere. And now we jump. The Toronto School Board had some sort of symposium

00:33:29.180 where they would invite special speakers. And they were lucky enough to receive the Nobel Prize-winning

00:33:35.740 Afghanistan girl. It was only two or three weeks ago. However, the equity committees of that little board,

00:33:42.780 they decided that this would not be a good idea to bring this one into one of their reading

00:33:47.020 gatherings because her presence, her presence might excite Islamophobia. When you get into this game of

00:33:57.980 anti-this and anti-that and phobia this and phobia that and everything is racist, you get to such a

00:34:05.260 ludicrous point that one of the most spiritually honorable and physically brave human beings is a young girl with

00:34:13.660 a Nobel Prize. And your pure school board says, I don't know if we should bring her in. She might

00:34:21.580 have a bad influence on our young people. This is where anti-racism goes. It's a different story,

00:34:28.780 but it's the same idea. It's the same ethos. And that's what I protest against. The Toronto School

00:34:34.860 Board's legislation right now is just one more installment of so many idiocies that have been coming

00:34:41.980 across such as this male who's out there now winning every female swimming championship in the world.

00:34:49.740 And no one wants to stand, well, very few want to stand up and say, this is absurd and insulting.

00:34:57.100 So the Higher Education Quality Council now will have at least one member who shall be a person who has

00:35:05.740 expertise in racial equity in the post-secondary education center. And so now what we're being

00:35:11.740 asked to swallow here is the idea that there is such a thing as expertise in racial equity in the

00:35:18.540 post-secondary education sector. And so that isn't the ability to teach kids how to read, let's say,

00:35:24.540 or to teach them how to do the mathematics that will be necessary to get them through their life. But

00:35:30.140 a new kind of expertise, specifically in the post-secondary education center that is associated

00:35:38.380 with the promotion of racial equity. Well, who says that that sort of expertise exists? And again,

00:35:43.740 who's going to judge its quality? And the answer is the most ideologically committed.

00:35:49.820 It is only the ideologically committed. It is the ideologically committed who are declaring themselves

00:35:56.300 the racial experts. That if you get up and declaim enough against white history and whiteness and

00:36:02.060 white fertility, and if you throw out white as a derogatory term, if you make white, which is a skin

00:36:08.860 color, that at least in that one category, if you make whiteness a source of evil, you're an expert.

00:36:16.140 If you get up and say that I don't buy this anti-whiteness, I think human beings are human beings.

00:36:23.180 I think their personal and spiritual and family personalities, that they are not the constitution

00:36:30.300 just of their epidermis, then you're a racist. Here's another big, big point. Before you bring

00:36:37.820 in these expert anti-racists to make sure the teachers are okay, what was the purpose of all these

00:36:45.180 teachers going off to universities and spending four years for a BA or five or six for an MA or even seven

00:36:52.060 for a PhD to become fully qualified teachers. And then some amateur self-appointed activist wanders

00:37:00.460 in from some street to have a size up and say, oh, by the way, your seven years of this and your

00:37:06.700 10 years of experience in actual teaching, the teaching of subjects that are in the educational

00:37:13.900 curriculum, that doesn't qualify you. Here's what's going to qualify you if you're sufficiently

00:37:21.180 genuflective of my attitudes, of my untrained ability to assess your moral character. No one has the right

00:37:32.700 to judge another person's soul. We've known that for 2000 years or more. And when you get down to it,

00:37:39.580 you can use the current terms, the anti-racism and all this, when people are judging other people

00:37:45.340 as being insufficiently moral and inadequately moral to their standards, I mean, this is an abandonment

00:37:52.940 of reason. So the anti-racism training referred to in subsection 5.2, which is the anti-racism

00:38:02.540 training that members of the council will be subject to shall be training developed by experts

00:38:09.340 in the anti-racism education community. So it's the same thing again. It's this insistence that there

00:38:16.220 are experts in such a thing as anti-racism and that because of their expertise, they're capable and

00:38:22.460 competent to judge precisely the moral attitudes of others. And then to find if those others aren't

00:38:30.540 committed to exactly the same ethical doctrines that they're committed to because of their

00:38:35.420 incredible moral standing, let's say that they're to be judged wanting and not to be promoted as

00:38:42.860 teachers, not to be on boards of this board in particular was the was the higher educational,

00:38:50.780 higher education quality council of Ontario, etc. And so you ask yourself again, well, who,

00:38:58.220 who would take it upon themselves to be the judge of such things and also to claim that they have

00:39:02.620 measurement instruments that are sufficiently sophisticated to assess even unconscious racial

00:39:07.980 bias? Maybe even the unconscious racial bias that people are striving to overcome to the degree that

00:39:14.940 it exists. So it's obsessional. Uh, again, we were in a period, uh, we have been for 10, 15, 20 years in

00:39:26.060 which these, I'll call them this, these ancillary concerns. There was a period in human history and

00:39:33.500 not very long ago when you had the extremes, the absolute extremes of bigotry. There were periods,

00:39:41.340 the Irish, I mean, we can go all through, we can go back 2,000 years, but no one wants to admit,

00:39:46.540 and this is what I find personally puzzling, that let's say our own country, Canada,

00:39:52.540 whatever the flaws and flaws, and they were many and they were deep,

00:39:56.300 but do you honestly believe that the general attitude of the Canadian population in 2021

00:40:03.020 on these various particular topics is not an immense improvement over the historical standards

00:40:09.500 of go back 50, 100, 200, 200? There has been a great emergence. We have had programs now for 30 years

00:40:17.180 of affirmative action. We have had apologies that were put out by the entire legislature of Canada itself.

00:40:24.460 We have had self-scrutiny. We have had commissions, and we have made racism, real racism, okay? We've made

00:40:32.140 that one of the most savage taboos that we know. 60 years ago, you could make jokes about Jews and get

00:40:38.700 laughed at in all the comedy centers of the world. You wouldn't do it now, and you certainly won't do it

00:40:45.100 about blacks, and you will not do it about ethnic Canadians either because, A, we don't like the

00:40:51.100 roughness of it. We don't like the implicit kind of snark, but in the majority of cases, I insist on this,

00:40:59.340 the majority of ordinary Canadian citizens are explicitly,

00:41:05.900 explicitly welcoming of others, of those who are different, and they will help. They will help at the

00:41:13.820 slightest impulse. As I said, 9-11 won the great boat to tell us from Vietnam.

00:41:20.780 We've turned this on its head, all the efforts to upgrade our moral sensibility, which a lot of

00:41:28.380 Canadians have done over the generations. Everyone is a product of their time. But why do people from

00:41:36.540 50 or 60 countries come to Canada if it is as Mr. Trudeau? And again, understand that the leadership

00:41:43.740 taking this point really licenses these kinds of activities. It goes on about being systemically

00:41:49.820 racist and genocidal. The attitude of the ordinary major Canadian who is not into some professional

00:41:57.020 anti-activist bunch. I like to help. If you're in trouble, I will help you. I am not looking at the

00:42:05.580 color of your face to determine whether you're good or you're bad. And by the way, this also goes two

00:42:11.660 ways. You're not looking at the color of mine to say, well, if you're white, not only morally deficit,

00:42:19.900 you must be put into some sort of training class. Listen, we keep saying we're not China,

00:42:25.980 but on the softer elements of it, cultural revolution, thought control. My question back to

00:42:32.700 you for that last list you just gave me, where does the competence come to in those who are assuming to

00:42:39.420 judge? The left has a certain tendency to assume and to get accepted as assuming that they have

00:42:46.780 infallibility because they scream about moral wrongs. The hypocrisies that go on there, take the

00:42:53.900 environmental movement, are immense. And somehow or other, an entire government listens to this

00:43:00.620 this imported and pernicious philosophy, and now allows it to dominate the entire curriculum

00:43:08.540 of a province and pass judgment on its teachers and bring in outsiders.

00:43:14.780 And its parents. Well, again, some parents, I've had, before I even had any contact with you,

00:43:21.740 I've had notices over the summer of some of the bulletins coming out of Halton and Ontario.

00:43:27.340 They're always about either sexual training, induction into the great transgender list. Let me tell you,

00:43:35.340 there's a school in England that I read about just two or three days ago. It is one of the most

00:43:40.780 expensive private schools in all of England. It's close to $50,000 a student. And parents learned

00:43:49.980 only $50,000 a student. The parents learned among other things that they were into the new gender

00:43:56.780 equity. There's equity pops up yet again. And in that school, and this is not a joke, this is reported,

00:44:03.100 it is print. They were teaching that there were 62 genders. Now, I don't know how the educated mind

00:44:12.940 can allow itself to slip to such ape-like incompetence that at $50,000 a year, a student

00:44:21.820 must accept the thesis that there are 62 human genders. You think that's just a particular example? No,

00:44:28.380 it isn't. It's a symbolic example. It's the same thing with the CRT in Ontario schools. Look, schools

00:44:37.420 teach. I don't know what it is about these ancillary causes that they blot out, I'm back where I began,

00:44:43.900 that they blot out the purpose of education. And in many cases, because it's indoctrination,

00:44:48.460 they nullify it. We need better schools, and we need better instruction in the disciplines that schools

00:44:55.500 are supposed to be teaching. They can't always be elevating the ancillary and the trendy and the

00:45:02.060 fashionable and the hard left as a replacement for the millennial-old purposes of real education.

00:45:11.580 And as you know, you know better, it's the damn universities that set this tidal motion

00:45:18.220 in progress with, again, the nursery of all these ridiculous theories and their microaggressions and

00:45:27.020 their safety concepts. And I can't have a speaker in here because it'll traumatize me.

00:45:32.380 The triviality that the universities... anyway. All this language surrounding group identity

00:45:39.340 and the language of oppression was formulated in the universities and taught, and not least in the

00:45:45.660 the faculties of education, and then disseminated into the broader public through the news media

00:45:51.980 organizations that hired graduates of those institutions. There's been recent documentation

00:45:56.220 of that. And anyone who thinks that the relationship between the races and the ethnicities and the sexes

00:46:01.900 has been improved by all the recent dialogue has a different thing coming. Here's another one that's

00:46:07.180 quite fun. If the minister learns upon conducting an investigation or otherwise, that a member of the

00:46:14.460 Council, so this is the Higher Education Quality Council of Ontario again, that a member does not have

00:46:21.340 a proven commitment to racial equity in the post-secondary education sector, the minister shall require

00:46:28.460 that member to take anti-racism training within the following six months. So now indoctrination becomes a

00:46:35.420 mandate. Willing us to submit to indoctrination by anti-racism experts has become a criteria for serving on

00:46:44.140 this council. I wonder what would happen, you know, go back 15 years ago, if, say, a Catholic school

00:46:52.460 board or a Pentecostal school board for that, but it doesn't really matter. If they said to all the teachers

00:46:57.580 coming in, you know, I got to check you on the doctrines here. Are you a good believer in transubstantiation?

00:47:03.740 Do you stand by the sacrament of extra munction? Do you have any queries about the Trinity, perhaps?

00:47:12.780 We insist, you know, you give us evidence and proof of this, and if you don't, we're going to get rid

00:47:17.580 of you. Where did this streak of investigations and inquire inquisitions? Where's it? Do we not have it?

00:47:29.980 Well, it's like after the emergency act, I don't know anymore. We used to think we had a charter of

00:47:34.300 rights and freedoms. This thing is a bulldozer on speed going through all of them. It's also a

00:47:40.940 defiance, going back to the competence and integrity of the majority. You don't have to prove you're not

00:47:49.340 a racist. This is negative investigation. You can't prove a negative to begin with, but they're going to

00:47:56.860 set up, they're going to give authority to, and they're going to allow them to occupy. This is

00:48:02.300 my biggest thing. They're going to occupy the curriculum. If you're doing this, you're not doing

00:48:07.180 that. And instead of applauding and cheering young people, you know, the person makes a great drawing

00:48:13.980 or plays a new piece of music or has a fine sentence and the teacher comes down, all smiles and genuine

00:48:20.540 enthusiasm. Hey, my God, Maggie, you have done so well. Only now it's, oh, is she looking the wrong

00:48:27.980 way at the wrong person? Is my fellow teacher over there, is she subconsciously racist and doesn't want

00:48:34.140 to hear about it? Am I up to date on what is the latest dogma from CRT? No, it's the subjects they're

00:48:41.980 supposed to be in love with. It's the students they're supposed to be inspiring. It isn't to sit there as

00:48:47.740 agents of some, as I said, hard, left, arid, desiccated, angry little doctrine.

00:48:55.180 Here's the bureaucracy that's going to be produced. Every college or university shall collect from its

00:49:00.960 students, faculty, staff, and other persons, whatever that means, and provide to the minister

00:49:06.960 such data and other information related to the following as may be requested by the minister.

00:49:12.540 The number of times support, services, complaints, resolutions, and accommodation relating to racism

00:49:19.240 are requested, made, and obtained by students enrolled at or faculty or staff of the college or university

00:49:24.760 and information about those supports. Any anti-racism initiatives and programs established by the college

00:49:31.020 or university to promote awareness of the supports and services. The number of incidents and complaints

00:49:36.780 of racism reported by students, faculty, and staff, and information about how such incidents and

00:49:42.700 complaints, including how the incidents and complaints were addressed or resolved, the implementation

00:49:47.980 and effectiveness of the policy. So that means every, and that's not just for colleges and universities,

00:49:53.140 if I have read this correctly, it's throughout the education system as a whole. So that means the

00:49:59.020 establishment of a bureaucracy that is devoted to doing nothing but gathering such data and reporting

00:50:06.540 it. And so all you have to do is think for about 15 seconds to imagine what that's going to mean,

00:50:11.100 because systems tilt themselves to produce what is being measured.

00:50:16.260 Exactly. But again, where are they going with this? I mean, again, it is from the authoritarian regimes.

00:50:27.260 You check on thought. You check on the number of complaints. And by the way, if you start to

00:50:32.940 invite complaints on a truly hot subject, it can get very personal very quickly. There's people in

00:50:40.460 their various jobs, teaching, broadcasting, business, anywhere else. If you set up an investigative

00:50:46.460 structure and a reporting structure and a tabulation structure, if I want to do damage to you,

00:50:52.780 and if I pick the right side of this particular context, I'm going to move you out. We cannot

00:50:58.460 we cannot allow the bureaucratization of the search into people's attitudes and souls

00:51:06.620 to become a legislative possibility. You know, I get a legislative necessity.

00:51:11.580 Where are you? Yeah, this is, let me give you one other thing. This is a proof of what I just said.

00:51:16.700 This is a very high standard proof. This is Great Britain itself. I'm just going to read the

00:51:21.740 headlines. Again, it's a story. It's print. It's real. Their race oversight. His name was Tony Sewell.

00:51:30.300 And he wrote a report. He was appointed by Boris Johnson. This is not, you know, some freelancer.

00:51:34.620 And he founded Britain. And here's again, like Trudeau would systemically race. He found,

00:51:41.660 by the way, he's black, which shouldn't matter. But these days, we have to say it. He found that

00:51:46.780 Britain was not institutionally racist and blast Northern Hammer University cowards for withdrawing

00:51:55.900 his university honorary degree. He was given a degree in 2019. But they withdrew it after a study

00:52:04.220 that was commissioned by him, objective in nature, not proving, certainly asserting that Britain was

00:52:10.700 not institutionally racist. And they said this was done to him because he was the subject of political

00:52:17.420 controversy. Well, let me give you a translation of that. The accepted idea among the woke class is

00:52:23.260 that we're all now a bunch of racists, homophobes, Islamophobes, transphobes, named-phobe,

00:52:28.220 arachnophobes, that has to be accepted as absolute law. However, if a person from even one of those

00:52:34.540 groups, this is, again, the racist czar of Great Britain appointed by Tony, I'm sorry, by Boris,

00:52:43.100 and he reports after doing an objective survey, and he himself, a black person, no,

00:52:47.660 no, we're not universally racist. And then all the correct thought czars and the university types

00:52:54.860 and the politicians and most of the newspapers dump him. He's thrown out. The same thing happened

00:53:00.140 to Roland Fryer in Harvard University, who did a statistical study of shootings by police officers

00:53:07.740 and found that more whites proportionately were shot than blacks. He had won the world's top economics

00:53:13.820 prize as a young black man. And yet he got nailed on a sexual harassment idea. But the real provocation

00:53:23.500 behind it was because he reported some good news on the so-called racial front. Good news is now bad

00:53:31.100 news. Good news is racist in itself. There's two people, high stature, high qualifications, both black,

00:53:38.380 black, both ostracized because they spoke a clear truth against these doctrines. So where are we,

00:53:46.220 Jordan, is my question. I don't know anymore.

00:53:48.060 Well, maybe we'll maybe we'll close by just reviewing this last section. So this is in schools in general.

00:53:54.460 And one of the subsection alterations here is not that the minister may establish. That's re that's

00:54:01.740 replaced with the wording the minister shall establish. So this now becomes a requirement that

00:54:09.260 policies and guidelines have to be put in place with respect to promoting racial equity in schools,

00:54:16.620 which must include policies and guidelines respecting training in this racial equity doctrine

00:54:23.260 for all teachers and other staff resources to support people's teachers and staff who have been

00:54:28.460 targeted by racism strategies to support people's teachers and staff who witness incidents of racism

00:54:36.300 resources to support them who have engaged in racist behaviors procedures. This is really a terrible

00:54:42.940 one procedures that allow pupils teachers and staff to report incidents of racism safely and in a way that

00:54:51.260 minimizes the possibility of reprisal. So there goes facing your accuser and there goes the presumption of

00:54:56.860 innocence and that necessitates the establishment of quasi-judicial boards of inquisition,

00:55:02.540 the use of disciplinary measures within the framework in response to racism, etc., etc., etc.

00:55:10.060 The details that you've outlined here, and again, you've done a closer read, but these are now it sounds

00:55:16.780 rhetorical, but it isn't. These are horrifying. We don't let other people judge other people. And we don't bring in a

00:55:25.180 crowd of self-dedicated, unidimensional, predetermined minds on some particular cause, then to become

00:55:33.020 judiciary investigator, punisher, publisher of other people. And we're also building the whole idea of an

00:55:41.900 anti-racism curriculum that is this deep and this obsessional, is that you are acceding to the thought

00:55:49.020 that the thousands and thousands of Ontario teachers are morally deficient.

00:55:55.820 They're morally weak, that we have been running a system here and until we get these

00:56:01.100 these new angels of racial purity and start teaching them all about bias and oppression and everything else that the

00:56:08.860 bunch running our schools are either uneducated or bigots. But again, here's the thing that more than

00:56:16.620 I got to keep saying it. Once you make obsessional and pervasive and saturated the concept of

00:56:23.740 critical racial theory and make that the soul of the educational effort, you have displaced the

00:56:30.460 educational effort. You are cheating young people. You are cheating their parents. You are lying to them.

00:56:37.820 I would like to see just one month that eight or nine Ontario school boards put out something

00:56:46.300 not racist, not about sex, not about transgender, not about environmentalism, but about a damn subject

00:56:53.740 in their schools and how it's getting better. When was the last time that the educational authorities of this

00:57:00.700 province started firing out bulletin saying, boy, are we teaching better than we've ever taught before?

00:57:07.900 Our students are alive with the hunger for knowledge and they are ecstatic when they find new adventures in

00:57:15.260 thought. Their minds are growing. Their characters are stronger. They love their country. How's that as another

00:57:21.100 one to throw in there? And where instead of this is this alien, perverse, angry, useless doctrine

00:57:29.580 becoming the central, the cardinal impulse and dynamic of a modern educational system? It is terrible.

00:57:40.700 Well, Rex, I think that's probably a good note on which to end this rather pessimistic discussion.

00:57:47.340 Yeah. I hope the conservatives and the liberals, the small liberal types, Canadians in general,

00:57:53.580 parents in Ontario and in Canada, take the time to actually read through this bill and think about

00:58:00.620 it and then to try to ask themselves how in the world we got to this place.

00:58:06.940 Yeah. That's the big question. How do we get here? How do we get out of it?

00:58:11.740 Jordan, thank you very much for your time.

00:58:14.860 Thanks for your time, Rex.

00:58:17.340 Thanks for your time.

238. Bill 67 is Dangerous for Canada ｜ Rex Murphy

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