Pierre Poiliev is the current front-runner in the race to become the next Prime Minister of Canada. He is a member of Parliament and a trusted senior cabinet minister in Prime Minister Stephen Harper's Conservative Party of Canada, and is therefore a likely candidate to replace Justin Trudeau as Prime Minister within the next few years. In this episode, Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down with Pierre to discuss the challenges facing Canada today, including the housing crisis, the country's infrastructure problems, and the need to tackle the growing cost of living. Dr. Peterson also talks about how he became interested in politics and why he decided to run for Prime Minister. He also shares some of his early life growing up in Canada and the challenges he faced growing up as a child, and how that shaped his political ideologies. This episode is brought to you by Daily Wire Plus, a new service from Jordan Peterson that helps connect patients with professional mental health professionals and resources to support them in their journey to recovery from anxiety, depression, and other mental health issues. To find a list of our sponsors and show-related promo codes, go to gimlet.fm/sponsorships/Dailywireplus and use promo code JBPpodcast to receive 10% off your first month's mailbag discount when you enter the discount code: JBPodcast! at checkout to receive $10 or more. when you sign up to receive a discount of $10, $15 or more when you shop at JBP. JBP is the Dailywireplus. Subscribe to Dailywire Plus and receive $5 or more during the offer of $50 or more than $50, and receive a complimentary membership plan when you become a JBP membership offer. you choose JBP will receive $35 or more, and get 10% discount when they become a patron. they also get $10/month, they also receive $25, they receive the JBP discount, they get $5, they ll get a complimentary copy of JBP Provenza Pro? offer a complimentary carte-edition of the podcasting membership offer, and they receive $40 or $5 use code they receive a $10% off their first month, and discount $5 offer and they get an MBPRistory offer? Learn more about JBP Approved by JBP Connect with JBP and JBP gets $5 they receive an ad-less version of this podcast.
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00:00:51.000Welcome to episode 253 of the JBP podcast. I'm Michaela Peterson.
00:00:59.000This is a unique episode because Dad had Pierre Poilièvre on, a lifelong conservative who has a very good shot at replacing the slowly sinking ship that is Trudeau's government.
00:01:11.000Pierre has served as a member of parliament and as a trusted senior cabinet minister.
00:01:16.000Dad spoke to him about the broad problems facing Canada today, of which there are many.
00:01:21.000His election campaign, Canada's energy infrastructure, economic policy, and Pierre's mission to tackle the housing crisis,
00:01:28.000lower the cost of living, defund Canadian media, and develop Canadian natural resources.
00:01:34.000I hope you enjoy this special episode.
00:01:37.000Hello, everyone. I'm very pleased today to have with me Mr. Pierre Poiliev.
00:02:01.000He is the current front runner in the race for leadership of the Federal Conservative Party of Canada,
00:02:08.000and he is therefore a likely candidate for Prime Minister of Canada within the foreseeable future, within the next few years.
00:02:16.000The Conservatives in Canada have served historically alternatively to lead Canada,
00:02:22.000competing with the Liberals primarily at the federal or national and provincial or state level.
00:02:29.000Although the Liberals, their primary opponents, have been more historically successful.
00:10:30.000Now, look, lots of young people today either are not exposed to the ideas that you just put forward or they don't find them persuasive, say, in contrast to what appears on the surface to be the more compassionate left wing view that's characterized frequently.
00:10:45.000And sometimes realistically, you know, by concern for the working class, like I worked for the NDP when I was a kid.
00:10:51.000And at that time in Alberta, Grant Notley ran the NDP and he was an old union guy in some fundamental sense.
00:10:57.000And so are most of the people he associated with, you know, and they they did have a real concern for the working class.
00:11:04.000And I would say that was particularly true of the leadership, not so much the activists.
00:11:08.000But, you know, you were pretty young when you came across Friedman.
00:11:11.000I didn't have that experience when I was, say, the same age as you.
00:11:15.000Why did you find that persuasive in contrast to the left wing ideas, the ideas of socialism, this rooted in this hypothetical compassion that seems so attractive to kids today?
00:11:26.000Because I didn't see the compassion playing itself in any out in any real way.
00:11:35.000But what is what we're actually debating is not who's more compassionate and there's no evidence that people on the socialist left are especially generous with their own money.
00:11:45.000Sure, they like to spend other people's money.
00:11:48.000But what you see is really with socialism is an animal house playing itself out over and over again.
00:11:55.000You know, when the animal farm, excuse me, animal farm playing itself over and over again.
00:13:22.000They are disproportionately powerful in the system.
00:13:25.000And so when this big beast called government gets bigger and more powerful, those who have the ability to steer that beast are the ones who are going to profit from it.
00:13:34.000So what do you what do you think of the success of countries like the Scandinavian countries?
00:13:39.000Let's say, well, in the relative success of Canada, because there's been a fair, solid socialist influence, more the English socialist type than the than the communist derived type fair socialist influence in Canada.
00:13:50.000And it's formed some of our fundamental institutions, our health care system, our pension system, a fair bit of labor legislation.
00:13:56.000I mean, when you look at and then, of course, the Scandinavian countries, small, though they are and homogenous, though they are.
00:14:02.000They're quite radically successful in in in function.
00:14:08.000And how do you how do you balance that against your emphasis on while more conservative philosophy and and your your support of the freest markets possible in some sense?
00:14:19.000So let's start with the Scandinavians.
00:14:22.000I mean, there's some really uncomfortable facts about the Scandinavian countries that the left would not like to talk about.
00:14:28.000Like Norway, 25 percent of Norway's economy is oil.
00:14:32.000So that's really tough to grapple with if you're a modern socialist.
00:14:38.000Moving to the other countries, Sweden welcomes all kinds of free enterprise and choice, including in the provision of public services.
00:14:47.000And they have, in fact, in the in the 90s, the Swedes moved quite dramatically to reduce the cost of government and open up markets and free enterprise.
00:14:59.000So it's not as simple as to say that that these countries are socialistic and therefore successful.
00:15:04.000And I think it was even the one of the Danish leaders came to you to the United States and he was speaking at Harvard.
00:15:11.000And he was saying, you know, he was all the socialist kids were expecting him to pump his fist in the air and and champion socialism.
00:15:19.000He said, no, actually, we're not a socialist country.
00:15:22.000And so, you know, there's no question that they definitely do have a strong social safety net.
00:15:29.000I don't I don't object to that, but I wouldn't say that they are state commanded economies like like we're seeing Trudeau attempt to adopt here in Canada.
00:15:38.000Right. So you see this as variation within the free market world, right?
00:15:51.000But, you know, there's a lot of academic literature that shows that government that countries with smaller governments as a share of GDP tend to have less poverty and better social and economic growth outcomes.
00:16:05.000And that is true in both the developing world and the developed world.
00:16:09.000So I do believe that you can provide a solid social safety net at the same time as having a powerful free market economy that generates the wealth to fund that safety net.
00:16:22.000Okay. So you got interested in politics.
00:16:25.000Were you a popular kid in high school, would you say?
00:17:42.000And was that in in hypothetical service of your political ambitions at that point or had they catalyzed?
00:17:50.000I don't know that my political ambitions were clearly defined at that point.
00:17:55.000I just knew I was generally interested in politics and that international relations would give me an overview of almost all parts of the of that one confronts in a political environment.
00:18:08.000Did you have a conception of a career path at that time?
00:18:12.000Or I mean, lots of people don't, you know, they go to take a Bachelor of Arts.
00:18:49.000It was then the campus Progressive Conservatives and Reform Party and involved in the debate club and stuff like that.
00:18:57.000We used to have a place called Speaker's Corner.
00:18:59.000It was like three floors of balconies where people could look down and someone would stand on a big stool in the middle and shout out a speech.
00:19:09.000And they Speaker's Corner would meet every Friday and there'd be lots of heckling.
00:19:14.000And it was a rowdy affair and but mostly mostly about hilarity and joking around and giving silly, ridiculous addresses.
00:19:22.000And that was a that was the Friday tradition.
00:19:26.000We'd go in and belt out these speeches to sometimes 70 or 80 students would come and take in these speeches.
00:19:33.000And I imagine what if we had had the phone cameras back then, they'd probably be circulating wildly on the Internet right now.
00:19:41.000No doubt. God, what a horrible fate to have everything you do when you're young, recorded and never forgotten.
00:19:46.000So, yeah, well, you seem to have a sense of humor about such things, too.
00:19:50.000And you're kind of viciously satirical in the House of Commons.
00:19:53.000And so what what rule do you think having a sense of humor plays in what you do?
00:19:58.000I think it's important. I try to remember it because.
00:20:03.000Politics is a combat sport, but there has to be some joy in it as well.
00:20:11.000And you have to make people feel good.
00:20:14.000You know, the rabbi Hillel said people won't always remember what you do or what you say, but they'll always remember how you made them feel.
00:20:23.000And so I think it's important to make people feel good when you're giving a political speech, make them, you know, there's a tendency to get up and and and spill doom and gloom all over the room.
00:20:34.000But I think it's important to make people feel good about the moment and also good about the future.
00:20:40.000And the most powerful way to do is is is humor.
00:20:43.000Well, this is very interesting to me because you've got a lot of people coming out to your rallies and that I should let everyone know who's listening internationally.
00:20:54.000There have been times when that's occurred, but it's not run of the mill.
00:20:57.000But you have a lot of people coming to your rallies and you've been attacked fairly viciously, I would say, by the press for the nature of the despicable people that you're attracting, you know, otherwise known as Canadians.
00:21:07.000And so what is it that you're doing that's working to attract people?
00:21:12.000And is it related to this sense of humor and and to an optimism that you're projecting, despite some of the dire things that might be characterizing the Canadian state?
00:21:22.000I think it's I think people are desperate for hope in Canada right now.
00:21:29.000These these rallies have been really emotional events like people come with incredible stories.
00:21:40.000And I do this thing after every speech, I plant myself in front of my sign and I just let everyone come up one by one and talk to me.
00:21:49.000And I don't think the political class in this country appreciates how much suffering there is in Canada right now.
00:21:58.000Well, they did get honked on at a lot, you know, and that's pretty rough.
00:22:03.000Yeah, I know, because they've had I mean, the political class has had a wonderful two years.
00:22:08.000They have an unbelievable amount of power and a tremendous amount of comfort.
00:22:13.000All of their homes have gone up by 50 percent in value and their stock portfolios up until recently have been inflated.
00:22:21.000And so they're sort of looking down at the working class and saying, oh, what are you complaining about?
00:22:26.000Isn't that you've never had it so good? Well, that's the exact opposite has been true for the working folks.
00:22:34.000If you don't own a home, you're purchasing your like if you didn't have a home before 2019.
00:22:41.000Likelihood is you'll never own one unless and until there's a major reduction in housing prices.
00:22:47.000And so you've got this whole generation of people of young people who have concluded that they'll never be able to afford a home.
00:22:54.000So they're 32 years old living in their mom's basement.
00:22:57.000You can imagine the psychological impact that has on someone's personal security.
00:23:03.000So people come to my rallies and they're looking for an explanation about why things are the way they are and looking for some hope about how we might make them better.
00:23:14.000The situation doesn't make sense to people because like I have one perfect example.
00:23:21.000There's a guy living in the south end of my riding in South Ottawa, and he has the same job that his mother has.
00:23:30.000And he ironically works at the same desk that she worked at when she was there.
00:23:36.000Yet she was able to buy a house in South Ottawa 40 years ago that he could not even dream of affording today.
00:23:45.000And so what he's saying, I was like, how does this make sense?
00:23:49.000I thought we were supposed to be getting better off.
00:23:51.000And now after 40 years, our family is far worse off.
00:23:55.000And I'm stuck in my parents basement and I can't get married.
00:28:36.000Folks say, yeah, that actually makes sense.
00:28:38.000Isn't that what we were taught in grade school?
00:28:40.000And the explanations they get from everyone else are a bunch of convoluted, nonsensical, irrational excuses.
00:28:50.000And so they like my direct blunt style, not because it's simplistic, but because it's simply true.
00:29:00.000So what do you like about the political life?
00:29:03.000It's a rough life and you take a lot of flack.
00:29:05.000I mean, it obviously from your bio and I think from the way you comport yourself, it's obvious that you've you've got the constitution to some degree of a fighter.
00:29:15.000You know, which is, I think, would say something I lack.
00:29:18.000But what is it about your what is it about you that that attracts you to the political on the in terms of the interpersonal domain?
00:29:26.000You talked about it intellectually in some sense, you know, these and you talk a little bit about your care for people one on one.
00:29:33.000And why do you care about ordinary people and why should people believe that you care?
00:29:39.000Well, I think that I what what bothers me most about politics in Canada is that there's a comfortable establishment that sits on top and governs for itself at everyone else's expense.
00:29:55.000And that the people who do the nation's work, the plumber, the electrician, the truck driver, the police officer have almost no share of voice.
00:30:07.000I want to empower those people and disempower the political establishment.
00:30:15.000And that's my mission. It's my purpose.
00:30:18.000And I believe in it. I actually do believe in what I say.
00:30:22.000I truly believe that the ideas and the political approach that I advance are right.
00:30:33.000Allows me to persevere through all of the nastiness and the exhaustion of political life, because if you don't believe in it, then it just becomes an egotistical vanity project of which there are many in politics.
00:30:51.000But it seems to me to be a pointless life.
00:30:55.000All you're doing is trying to advance, trying to keep your name in the news and in high office as long as possible, just so that you can say you were there.
00:31:03.000I think you have to have a fulfilling political career.
00:31:25.000One would be, you know, I'll put a little bit of a prodroma in front of it.
00:31:30.000I watched the federal leadership debate in the last election, and I thought the conservatives lost before they opened their mouths because they accepted the diagnosis that was brought to the table.
00:31:41.000There were five topics of conversation, if I remember correctly, and two of them were basically progressive talking points.
00:31:50.000There was 20 minutes devoted to the economy, you know, and I thought you guys made a big mistake because you let the you let the progressive types define the questions.
00:32:00.000And so I would say because it may be the diagnosis in some sense is more important than the cure.
00:32:05.000At least, you know that, you know, you've got your finger on the problem.
00:32:07.000And so when you look at Canada at the moment, what are our problems?
00:32:13.000Well, the central underlying illness is a monstrous growth in the power and cost of the state at the expense of the agency and freedom of the people.
00:32:26.000That is the the override. Now, you can I can then give specific examples of how that.
00:32:31.000So let's just take let's just take monetary policy.
00:32:35.000So there's no way Justin Trudeau could get away with spending all the money he has in the last two years if he had to use real cash, because people would never accept the many thousands of dollars of tax increases that it would require.
00:32:50.000So he has basically turned our central bank into an ATM machine for his spending.
00:32:57.000They've created 400 billion dollars of new money in two years, which has given us a 30 year high in inflation and bumped up boosted real estate prices by 50 percent.
00:33:07.000And how does that compare to previous expense expenditures by government?
00:33:11.000Well, it's not even there. It's not off the charts.
00:33:14.000If you look at the balance sheet of the Bank of Canada during the Harper area, even during the Great Global Recession, there was a minor bump in the assets it held, which is represented, which indicates that, you know, how much money it was injecting.
00:33:27.000Whereas right now it's it's shot off the charts.
00:33:30.000So the balance sheet of the central bank is up something like three hundred and fifty percent.
00:33:35.000And all that cash has particularly ballooned asset prices.
00:33:48.000And what that's doing is creating kind of an aristocratic economy where people with where the bigger the asset you have before the inflation, the richer you've become after it.
00:33:58.000And it is almost like the housing is attached to a balloon and it's being lifted higher and higher up.
00:34:05.000And anybody who's not already in the house will never be able to grab it, get inside.
00:34:09.000Right. And so we're but but it is all the result of this massive expansion of the money supply.
00:34:16.000And so we're basically seeing a transfer of wealth from the the have nots to the have yachts, as I like to say.
00:34:24.000And and and those in the the managerial class, the CEOs whose stocks have been artificially inflated and they've been able to give themselves a pay share buybacks with with exceptionally low interest rates.
00:34:39.000They can borrow money and then buy back shares, which increases share value and gives them a bonus.
00:34:45.000The the folks who own mansions and protected in neighborhoods that are protected by zoning laws against anyone else moving in.
00:34:53.000These people have done exceptionally well over the last two years.
00:34:58.000And yet the people who are doing the nation's work are now having their salaries destroyed by inflation.
00:35:04.000You know, and then at the local level, you have municipalities bringing in our zoning laws that prevent new construction so that you have artifacts.
00:35:13.000They're invisible gates. They're gated communities, but they're invisible gates.
00:35:17.000The invisible gate is government bureaucracy that prevents construction.
00:35:20.000So we have fewer houses per capita than any country in the G7, even though we have the most land to build on.
00:35:26.000So what I'm proposing in both cases, stop printing money, start building houses.
00:35:32.000I'm going to tell the big city mayors that if they don't remove their bureaucratic zoning rules and let builders build, then I'm going to cut back on some of their infrastructure funds,
00:35:42.000because I think it's going to be need something that drastic to get these gatekeepers out of the way and actually build houses so that our youth have a place to call home.
00:35:52.000And, you know, but it's across the economy. Ironically, all of these big government interventions seem to hurt the most disadvantaged.
00:35:59.000Our immigrants come here as doctors and engineers, but they can't work in those fields because of occupational licensing protectionism, the gatekeepers.
00:36:08.000So I want to incentivize provinces to speed up recognition of foreign credentials so an immigrant doctor can actually work as a doctor and remove the gatekeepers from our energy sector.
00:36:19.000So we can build pipelines and and dig for resources and become energy self-sufficient and then remove the gatekeepers and speech.
00:36:28.000And, you know, all of those, you know, the government is now pushing new censorship laws on the Internet.
00:36:34.000And I'm I promise very clearly that I'm going to get rid of all of those laws and restore freedom of expression on the Internet.
00:36:42.000So really what I see is the need to remove the governmental gatekeepers to restore freedom, let people take back control of their lives.
00:36:50.000OK, so let's delve into economic policy a bit.
00:36:54.000So the OECD recently predicted this is lovely that Canada's economy will be the worst performing advanced economy over 2020 to 2030 and then three decades after.
00:37:07.000Now, we haven't been doing very well as a country, not only under the liberals, we weren't doing that great before under the conservatives as well.
00:37:16.000You know, especially compared to the US and many other and many other countries that in some sense are peers.
00:37:22.000And so that's a pretty damn gloomy forecast, right?
00:37:25.00040 years out, we're going to be the worst performing advanced economy in the world.
00:37:30.000And so what do you what what do you think the conservatives conceivably did wrong in the past to fail to stave that off?
00:37:39.000And what do you think you can do differently?
00:37:41.000And maybe we can make so you're interested in housing, you're interested in deregulation, especially on the housing front.
00:37:46.000I want to focus in as we progress through this part on energy in particular, because that's a killer topic for everyone in the world at the moment, I would say.
00:37:55.000So what did the conservatives do wrong? What has Canada done wrong?
00:37:59.000What what have the liberals done wrong apart from, you know, printing money like madmen and and instituting these arbitrary rules?
00:38:07.000And what do you think you can do differently?
00:38:09.000Right. Well, I would respectfully disagree on the conservative economic track record.
00:38:15.000If you look at the 07 financial, sorry, the 0809 financial crisis, we came through better than any of the other G7 countries, certainly way better than the Americans.
00:38:27.000We didn't have a housing crash here. We didn't have a banking crisis.
00:38:30.000We didn't have to bail out a single bank.
00:38:32.000We had very modest inflation. I don't think it ever cracked 4%.
00:38:37.000And I don't think it was above 3% for more than one or two quarters in the entire 10 year period.
00:38:43.000Harper was around and unemployment stayed relatively low.
00:38:47.000You could buy the average house when Harper left office in Canada was $434,000.
00:38:52.000It's kind of hard to imagine that now.
00:38:55.000But on a fast forward to energy, we need to repeal C-69.
00:39:01.000That's the bill that makes it effectively impossible to build an energy project in Canada today because it has introduced a whole series of sociological questions that that into the process that make sense to nobody.
00:39:20.000Trudeau has said that energy projects cause gender imbalances and therefore when someone applies to build one, they have to write a sociological report on what the pipeline or the mine will do for gender relations.
00:39:41.000Well, with that, in addition to being sort of ridiculous pop culture sociology, it introduces massive uncertainty for investors because they don't really know how and why a project will be approved or rejected.
00:39:57.000And they don't have seven years to sit around, so they'll take their money and invest it in other parts of the world.
00:40:04.000And that's why the projects aren't happening here.
00:40:07.000We don't mine lithium in Canada, even though we have lots of lithium in this electric car battery era.
00:40:13.000You know, we're importing lithium from China because they actually get projects built.
00:40:21.000However, they burn coal to refine their lithium.
00:40:24.000So ironically, we're just inducing pollution in other countries when we buy electric cars that are made in whose lithium is refined in that country.
00:40:35.000So if we could approve a lithium mine in Canada, we could actually mine the stuff, refine it, manufacture it here.
00:40:41.000We have the third biggest supply of oil on planet Earth, but we're importing 130,000 barrels of overseas oil every day.
00:40:48.000The solution to which is so obvious is that right next door to the St. John port where we bring in the oil,
00:40:57.000we have St. John's Newfoundland is capable of adding another 400,000 barrels of Canadian production.
00:41:05.000If we could just approve that production, then we could ban foreign oil, overseas oil from Canada altogether.
00:41:12.000And that would mean that the dollars wouldn't be leaving our country for overseas dictatorships,
00:41:16.000but would be staying here paying Canadian wages instead.
00:41:20.000And natural gas, we got 1,300 trillion cubic feet of natural gas.
00:41:25.000And you know what you do, you know, you get natural gas onto a ship, you have to freeze it down to a liquid.
00:41:31.000Well, what do we have in Canada? Cold weather, as you know.
00:41:36.000And so it takes a hell of a lot less energy to liquefy natural gas in Canada, yet we haven't got a-
00:41:42.000Jesus, finally an advantage for cold weather.
00:41:46.000And we have also geographic advantage.
00:41:49.000We're the closest point in North America to Asia is BC.
00:41:52.000The closest point in North America to Europe is Newfoundland.
00:41:55.000So we have a shorter shipping distance, less energy needed to liquefy gas, and yet we haven't succeeded in building a single major liquefaction facility in Canada,
00:42:07.000despite the fact that in 2015, there were about 18 proposed projects.
00:42:12.000So you could approve those projects, we could be bringing hundreds of billions of dollars of opportunity to our people, particularly our First Nations people.
00:42:22.000But it takes getting those regulatory gatekeepers out of the way to let it happen.
00:42:27.000What makes you think you could take on the woke crowd in relationship to such things?
00:42:32.000So we could say, well, what about the planet?
00:43:17.000For example, if we export our natural gas, we can displace foreign coal burning electricity.
00:43:24.000The energy hungry Asian markets are desperate for non coal sources of electricity, but they need things like natural gas to replace coal with.
00:43:38.000We also have the biggest supply of civilian grade uranium in the world right in Saskatchewan that could be used to export to regenerate emissions free pollution free nuclear energy.
00:43:49.000We have an overabundance of hydroelectricity in Manitoba and Quebec that we could be exporting to the northern United States to displace their coal fired electricity.
00:43:59.000We have we could be using small modular nuclear reactors to decarbonize the electrical grid for the oil sands.
00:44:08.000And and we have the ability to do that right here in Canada.
00:44:14.000We have carbon the carbon capture and storage techniques in our home province of Alberta are second to none.
00:44:22.000There are some, you know, white cap resources.
00:44:25.000A midsize company there says that it's actually a now a carbon negative company.
00:44:30.000In other words, they bury more carbon in the ground than they put into the air.
00:44:34.000And so we have the technology and the resources to do it.
00:44:39.000But what we're right now what we're doing is punishing our own resource sector to the advantage of heavily polluting foreign dictatorships with no environmental standards and who use the money to great mal.
00:44:53.000And so we would be better off to displace their energy with ours and use that as a method of fighting for the environment while enhancing the well being of our working class at the same time.
00:45:05.000Well, so if this optimistic view is true, which is a view that basically says, in some sense, we can have our cake and share it with others and eat it, too.
00:45:13.000Right, because we can make progress on the economic front and on the climate front at the same time.
00:45:19.000And I would like to point out that America's turn to natural gas has knocked their carbon dioxide output substantially down over the last 15 years, which is not a statistic you hear from the typical environmentalist types.
00:45:31.000Okay, so if the world could turn to Canadian energy and as a consequence, the net impact on the carbon economy would be positive, meaning reducing carbon, carbon dioxide output, and we could get wealthier in doing so, then why in the world aren't the liberals already doing this?
00:45:49.020If the pathway forward is so clear, and they're concerned about the environment in some genuine sense, and also, let's say, secondarily about economic matters, is there something wrong with your reasoning that they know that's made this impossible?
00:46:02.600Or how do you understand the fact that this isn't already happening?
00:46:06.080You know, it is hard to understand, I think that it goes in line, their environmental policies seem more designed to give the state more control of the economy, than they are designed to deliver an environmental outcome.
00:46:25.620By attacking the energy sector, it gives them the ability to create more of a command and control economy, which is what they believe in.
00:46:34.060And to redistribute wealth between industries, and towards political friends, in a very parasitical manner.
00:46:46.540But, you know, we have a total nut, as our environment minister right now, Stéphane Guilbeault, he is bonkers.
00:47:18.420So, it is quite a mystery to me, all of this.
00:47:21.360The fact that, because I do believe, at least to some degree, that the reality that you put forward is actually valid.
00:47:28.540That we could have our cake and eat it, too.
00:47:30.260I certainly think the Americans have managed that as they've turned to fracking and have become a net exporter of fossil fuel.
00:47:38.300I can't see that that's done the damn world one bit of harm.
00:47:41.040And, well, in this situation with Russia is one of the things that shows just how foolish we are in depending on, well, countries other than, say, standard, reliable, forward-moving, stable democracies like Canada.
00:47:56.860Canada, so it would be lovely if that could all occur.
00:48:00.340So, okay, so let's turn away from economic policy just for a moment.
00:48:03.420Why do you think the press in Canada is so, dislikes you to such a degree?
00:48:09.980And are there exceptions to that rule?
00:48:55.040We might want to tell our international listeners and viewers just how big a subsidy the CBC gets every year and what the CBC is.
00:49:03.920And then we could talk about media subsidies in general and the collusion between the federal government and the Canadian media establishment.
00:49:21.560And produce almost no original content that you couldn't find somewhere else.
00:49:27.100But what this does is creates a massive state-funded ecosystem.
00:49:31.840And even the journalists who don't work for CBC, they get these contracts to comment on CBC.
00:49:40.060So they go on these panels and they get paid, I'm told, $300, $400, $500 a pop to go and offer their opinion.
00:49:47.080And this, so as a result, they all want to regurgitate the acceptable state-generated opinion.
00:49:55.000And then they, so it basically creates a monolithic ideology and political narrative that comes from the center of the government and is designed to uphold the Trudeau government to keep them in power for as long as possible.
00:50:13.380And so, yeah, I'm running against that.
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00:53:37.740In any case, many conservative politicians in Canada have made gestures in that direction.
00:53:45.020And then the people who are going to come after you are going to say, well, you know, you're not a fan of Canadian culture, and because of the overwhelming influence of the United States and foreign media, we need to subsidize Canadian journalistic and entertainment activities, because otherwise we'll have nothing at all.
00:54:01.880And generally what happens is the CBC continues to survive regardless of government.
00:54:11.880And how do you think you could survive?
00:54:14.000And this is back to that question before, right?
00:54:16.000How do you think you can push back against the woke types who are so good at savaging reputation and interfering with the kind of, well, policies that you're trying to put forward?
00:54:25.500So on the CBC, there was a time when you could make an argument for a market failure.
00:54:35.260American culture is so massive and noisy.
00:54:39.660Competing it with it is like trying to have an argument with a marching band, right?
00:54:43.600It's just so loud, and it'll just drown out everything in Canada.
00:54:47.700But that was only the case because the massive cost of production and distribution made it very hard for Canadian talent to even get on the airwaves without some assistance.
00:55:03.860But now there are almost, like the cost of production and distribution of culture, information, and content is negligible.
00:55:14.760I mean, any teenager with, you know, $700 or $800 can use his or her phone to start producing content, put it online if people want to see it.
00:55:28.500Or any disgraced university professor.
00:55:32.600But no, I mean, like the reality is that, you know, if you had a, if you were a Canadian artist in 1980, you didn't have the capital to compete with Hollywood.
00:55:45.180Now, you actually don't need a lot of capital.
00:55:48.060And so with the free and open internet, anyone can break through as long as they have a willing audience.
00:55:55.180So the reason that CBC's content requires subsidy is not because of some market failure.
00:56:02.220It's because it's not appealing to Canadians.
00:56:05.380No, that's just because Canadians aren't smart enough to appreciate it, you know.
00:56:26.580Because during COVID in particular, but over the last few years, you know, obviously print journalists have taken a beating from the internet because, well, for the same reasons you just outlined.
00:56:47.100Well, I haven't, the Trudeau policies are definitely designed to basically make the entire media apparatus dependent on the goodwill and the goodwill of the state.
00:57:01.400They have a government bureaucracy that determines what is considered to be a qualified journalistic company.
00:57:11.960And they pick and choose based on their own political views who then qualifies and therefore gets the subsidy.
00:57:20.360I think this is designed to, again, create more dependency on the government and curry more favor with the state.
00:57:28.900I think I haven't made an announcement on exactly how I'm going to fix that problem yet, but I guess I would say stay tuned on that.
00:57:38.280I want to depoliticize that and basically restore the freedom of the press in this country again by getting the state out of it.
00:57:49.560So you're at least philosophically opposed to the idea of, let's call it government press collusion and might take.
00:57:57.580See, part of the problem is, I think, that once you obtain power, let's say, the temptation to have the media under your thumb in some sense as a consequence of such subsidies, you can see how that would tempt people, right?
00:58:12.720I think it's very useful to be cognizant of the sorts of temptations that do beset someone as they acquire a position of authority and power.
00:58:22.300And this is why I wanted to push hard on the CBC issue, because it's a signal issue.
00:58:26.760It would be quite a dramatic move to defund the CBC, because it has been a standard bearer in some sense of a whole vision of Canadian culture.
00:58:35.340And so that would send a powerful message.
00:58:38.300Look, if they do have such an incredibly loyal audience, then they can support themselves through their audience like other institutions do.
00:58:48.720I mean, you know, there are countless other journalistic organizations that support themselves through subscriptions, sponsorship, advertising and other means.
00:58:59.200And I think that's what we need to do with CBC.
00:59:03.100If they genuinely have an audience, then they can go get support from their audience.
00:59:07.580I don't I know there's lots of publications to which I subscribe.
00:59:10.620I don't ask the taxpayer to pay for my subscriptions.
00:59:13.940I pay for it out of my pocket and I watch either that or I suffer the advertising.
00:59:19.320But I don't expect that other people are going to pay for me to consume the media that I like.
00:59:26.220So why should I why should other Canadians be forced to pay for this far left liberal propaganda that makes up most of CBC's coverage?
00:59:37.440All right. Well, I'd be it'll be interesting to see what all comes to that.
00:59:40.800That should make even some more friends on the journalistic front.
00:59:44.240So, but, you know, at the end of the day, they're not going to be fair anyway.
00:59:48.420That's the thing. People say, well, you're going to you're picking a fight with CBC.
00:59:51.820They're going to come after you in the next election.
00:59:53.620Well, they went after Harper. They went after Scheer. They went after O'Toole.
00:59:57.980We found is that by not proposing to defund them, they're just as vicious as they were what would otherwise be.
01:00:06.180They campaigned full time to get Justin Trudeau elected prime minister, even though Harper had run a 10 year government without defunding them.
01:00:14.180So, yeah, they're going to come at me guns blazing.
01:00:17.260I know that. But they would do that even if I weren't taking the principled stand on defunding them.
01:00:22.700Right. So. So, OK, so that's that's a good that's a good point.
01:00:25.620You've got nothing to lose on that front in some sense.
01:00:27.980So that's a problem with depriving people of theirs, of their support for you.
01:00:32.340You know, you can't take anything away when there's nothing there to begin with.
01:00:35.720So, OK, so let's if you don't mind, let's turn to Trudeau and to Singh.
01:00:42.200These are your two. Well, the two people who will you'll be facing off against in some real sense.
01:00:48.120And you do face off against quite regularly in the house.
01:02:12.760In all cases, what he does is takes away the ability of business or individuals or families to do things for themselves.
01:02:19.260And it requires they do things through him and through the state.
01:02:22.160Um, and, and his ideology is always about creating a pretext in order to justify the state garnering more control over every aspect of your life.
01:02:37.680Your, how you raise your kids, how your business functions, what you see and say on the intranet.
01:02:43.140That he believes the state has to be everywhere always, but that's because as, as, uh, King Louis would say, let's say, well, the state is him.
01:02:55.020So let's, I got a couple of things to throw at that.
01:02:58.180The first is, you know, I think it's a very dangerous thing to attack the man rather than the ideas, but you're making, you know, as a rule of thumb.
01:03:04.600Um, but you're making a case that in this case that can't be done because there is a personality trait that is uniting diverse policy decisions that isn't ideational or ideological, even it is in fact personal.
01:03:18.300And so my sense of Trudeau initially, I was very upset with it, with his decision to run for prime minister, because I thought, well, you don't know anything.
01:03:27.700And you're attractive and you can behave well in public and you, and you have a, a charming facade, but you don't know anything in any real sense.
01:03:38.420And there's no, and there's no indication that you do.
01:03:41.240You're not particularly well-educated and you're not particularly accomplished.
01:03:44.380And this is actually a hard job, but worse than that, the only reason you even have the vaguest possibility of succeeding is because you have the same last name as your father.
01:03:54.520And so, and then he ran and I thought, well, how do you justify that to yourself?
01:03:59.420Because the gap of knowledge must've been painfully evident to him.
01:04:04.060And the fact that the Trudeau name, you could, you could say, well, you know, the liberal party came to me, that's his justification.
01:04:09.760They came to me and there wasn't another person that could win on the liberal side and better a Trudeau liberal, even if it's a consequence of family name than any damn conservative, let's say.
01:04:20.460But I still saw it as a manifestation of a really profound narcissism.
01:04:26.180I think a reasonable person would have said, I'm not prepared for this, certainly not yet.
01:04:31.880And I'm not the man that need, that there needs to be in this position.
01:04:35.760And so I don't know what you think about those musings, but that's how I looked at Trudeau.
01:04:40.800And I certainly haven't seen anything in the preceding years that has disabused me of any of those notions.
01:04:47.300I mean, I think there's some truth in that he is, his victory was definitely not a meritocratic one.
01:04:53.600And he was probably the least vetted prime ministerial candidate in our history.
01:04:58.440The media just glossed over so much of his life to go straight to, to, to help him and protect him.
01:05:05.740It was almost like they built a protective cocoon around him.
01:05:11.960And, and, you know, like he had, he had dressed up in grotesque, racist costumes.
01:05:19.800So many times he says he, by his own claim, he can't remember them all.
01:05:24.820I mean, the average politician had done that once it would have been exposed.
01:05:28.580Then that person would have been expelled from politics altogether, you know, but, you know, he, he had run as a middle-class champion, even though, while he sheltered the millions he inherited from his grandfather in a tax preferred trust fund.
01:05:43.440And all these things would have been front and center in the public sphere, had it been anyone other than a Trudeau.
01:05:51.800And, but he was protected by, by the media who still protect him because he really is their camp candidate.
01:05:58.100He, he, he, he represents the political class and the establishment in Canada, uh, those who profit off a big, um, bloated bureaucracy and regulatory state, um, in the, the old, uh, upper Canada era aristocracy, uh, know that he, he will always deliver for them.
01:06:18.700And he has, he's delivered, he's delivered mightily for them.
01:06:22.720And that's why they'll fight tooth and nail to keep them there.
01:06:24.840Why do you think he was, and still remains attractive to a substantial subset of Canadians?
01:06:31.840I mean, people seem to regard him as charming and caring.
01:06:36.940And I think he is charming in a, in a kind of shallow sense, but it isn't obvious to me at all that he's caring, but he, he, he seems to play the part and he plays it well enough so that while many people, and this is true of people all over the world, certainly by the,