The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast


263. An Interview with my Father ｜ Walter Peterson


Summary

In this episode, Mikayla talks to her dad, Walter Peterson, about his life growing up on the prairie in Saskatchewan, Canada in the late 20th century. They talk about his early life, how he learned to read and write, and what it was like growing up in a small town in the middle of nowhere. He also talks about how he built a cabin on the third floor of his house, and how he and his wife built a log cabin on their third floor in order to keep up with their growing family. He also shares the story of how they built the cabin, and why they chose to build it in the first place they did the way they did. Dr. Jordan B. Peterson has created a new series that could be a lifeline for those battling depression and anxiety. We know how isolating and overwhelming these conditions can be, and we wanted to take a moment to reach out to those listening who may be struggling. With decades of experience helping patients, Dr. Peterson offers a unique understanding of why you might be feeling this way, and a roadmap towards healing. He provides a roadmap toward healing, showing that while the journey isn t easy, it s absolutely possible to find your way forward. If you're suffering, please know you are not alone. There's hope and there's a path to feeling better. Go to Dailywire Plus now and start watching Dr. B.P. Peterson's new series on Depression and Anxiety. Let this be the first step towards the brighter future you deserve. Let sisn't you deserve it. Episode 263: Episode 263 of the JBP Podcast, I'm Makayla's Dad, My Dad's Story, My Great Grandma, My Grandpa's Life, My Life, And I'll Tell You What I'm Working on it! - Episode 263, Episode 263 - My Dad Talks About Growing Up On The Prairie in the 1940s and Growing Up in the Prairie in the 40s and 50s and 60s - My Life on the Prairie - Walter Peterson's Life in the 60s and 70s. - My Grandma's Story - My Great-Grandma's Life and Life on The Prairies - His Story - And How He Became a Father's Story - And So Much More! - I'll Talk About It On The Prairie Prairie, And His Life On The Prairie, And How It Was Like Growing Up In The Prairie in Saskatchewan -


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00:00:01.000 Hey everyone, real quick before you skip, I want to talk to you about something serious and important.
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00:00:12.000 We know how isolating and overwhelming these conditions can be, and we wanted to take a moment to reach out to those listening who may be struggling.
00:00:19.000 With decades of experience helping patients, Dr. Peterson offers a unique understanding of why you might be feeling this way in his new series.
00:00:27.000 He provides a roadmap towards healing, showing that while the journey isn't easy, it's absolutely possible to find your way forward.
00:00:35.000 If you're suffering, please know you are not alone. There's hope, and there's a path to feeling better.
00:00:41.000 Go to Daily Wire Plus now and start watching Dr. Jordan B. Peterson on depression and anxiety.
00:00:47.000 Let this be the first step towards the brighter future you deserve.
00:00:51.000 Welcome to episode 263 of the JBP podcast. I'm Mikayla Peterson.
00:00:59.000 In this amazing episode, I will treasure forever. Dad talked to his dad, my grandpa, Walter Peterson.
00:01:06.000 They went over our family history, relationships, growing up, learning to read and write, raising children and marriage.
00:01:13.000 I hope you enjoy this as much as I did.
00:01:15.000 I never do that. You see, I hardly ever skipped school.
00:01:23.000 I never do that. You see, I hardly ever skipped school.
00:01:39.000 And every time I did, God damn it, you caught me.
00:01:42.000 I did it like three times. One time I drove to Heinz Creek.
00:01:47.000 Three times. Really? It wasn't very, I tell you, it wasn't very often.
00:01:51.000 One time I drove to Heinz Creek to get away from you.
00:01:53.000 I thought, I'll drive to Heinz Creek. He's not going to find me there.
00:01:56.000 And then on the way back from Heinz Creek, you drove by and waved at me.
00:02:00.000 I said, oh my God, he caught me again. So ridiculous.
00:02:04.000 Hello, everybody.
00:02:25.000 I decided today that I'm going to talk to my dad as the subject for my YouTube video and podcast and find out more about his life, his young life on the prairie in Saskatchewan.
00:02:42.000 About his father, my grandfather, his grandfather, my great grandfather, his mother, what it was like growing up back in the 40s, mostly.
00:02:54.000 He was born in 1937, July of 1937.
00:02:58.000 And we've talked about such things, but not that much.
00:03:02.000 And so there's lots of things I want to know.
00:03:04.000 And so that's what we're going to try to talk about today.
00:03:07.000 And I'm going to walk through his life with him and ask him a bunch of questions so that I have the answers to the questions.
00:03:13.000 And I hope you enjoy it.
00:03:14.000 Hello.
00:03:15.000 Hey, George.
00:03:17.000 How are you doing?
00:03:19.000 Just as good as it gets.
00:03:21.000 Good.
00:03:22.000 Glad to hear it.
00:03:23.000 So I thought I'd start by telling the story of this third floor that I built on my house.
00:03:28.000 And so one of the things we did, we were going to build a log cabin on the third floor of this semi-detached house right in downtown Toronto.
00:03:39.000 Tammy and I thought about that.
00:03:40.000 I guess we wanted a cabin out in the woods, but we thought we could at least build one on our third floor.
00:03:46.000 And then that sort of morphed into this Native American big house, which is all made of wood inside.
00:03:53.000 Unlike the plaster sheeting that makes up the rest of the house.
00:04:00.000 So walking up there is quite a transition.
00:04:02.000 And we built it with some local architects and with some input from Quackio to Carver, who filled it up with totem poles.
00:04:10.000 But on the walls, you and I talked about the possibility of tearing some old wood off the farmstead in Saskatchewan,
00:04:20.000 off the original buildings there that great-grandpa Barent homesteaded.
00:04:25.000 And so that happened when the totem poles came across the country on a 53-foot truck.
00:04:31.000 Joel, my brother, had helped tear a bunch of the wood off the building surrounding the original house and off the barn.
00:04:41.000 And so the wall, both walls, are done in grey wood or red wood because some of the buildings were red, that barn red.
00:04:51.000 Or they're made of doors from the buildings.
00:04:54.000 So, and you had stripped some of that wood off years ago to use in your room downstairs as well.
00:05:03.000 That was before anything like that was popular.
00:05:07.000 Yeah.
00:05:08.000 Yeah.
00:05:09.000 I took the floor out of the loft of the barn.
00:05:15.000 And I used it for flooring in the cabins at the lake.
00:05:20.000 I didn't know you used it for flooring there.
00:05:26.000 You also used it in a decorative way in the pool room.
00:05:30.000 That's pool table, by the way, not pool.
00:05:35.000 Downstairs here, you mean?
00:05:40.000 Yeah.
00:05:41.000 No, that wasn't from the barn.
00:05:43.000 That was from a friend of mine.
00:05:46.000 Oh, okay.
00:05:47.000 Okay.
00:05:48.000 Well, I think I got the idea for using the old wood.
00:05:50.000 Anyways, we did get the stuff stripped away from the old farmstead.
00:05:53.000 So, now your great, my great grandfather, your grandfather Bernd, from whom my middle name is derived.
00:06:02.000 He came to North America from Norway.
00:06:07.000 No, he was born in North Dakota or in Minnesota.
00:06:14.000 Was it his father that came?
00:06:18.000 Yeah, his father and his father-in-law.
00:06:25.000 Did you tell me they built a boat and came to Norway or came from Norway to New York?
00:06:31.000 That actually was his father-in-law that built the boat.
00:06:42.000 And the two families came.
00:06:46.000 I think there were a total of nine or 10 on the boat.
00:06:54.000 Yeah.
00:06:55.000 They left Norway and sailed all the way to New York.
00:07:01.000 Hmm.
00:07:02.000 And then they ended up in the Midwest where there were a lot of Norwegian settlers.
00:07:07.000 Well, yeah, Minnesota and North Dakota were the, well, Wisconsin too, to a certain extent.
00:07:15.000 They were just the areas where the Norwegians and the Swedes settled.
00:07:22.000 Yeah.
00:07:23.000 So, they migrated that way.
00:07:26.000 And then there was a move up into Saskatchewan.
00:07:29.000 Yeah, about 1910, I think, was the first time that they came up and homesteaded.
00:07:42.000 And then they left again, because it didn't work out as, I guess, homestead life was pretty tough.
00:07:49.000 You know?
00:07:50.000 So, they left again, but they didn't sell the place.
00:07:55.000 They did have an auction.
00:08:00.000 My grandfather's old clock was in the auction.
00:08:05.000 And when they came back to Saskatchewan, they went to an auction sale and they bought it back.
00:08:12.000 And I still have it.
00:08:14.000 So, how did they get up to Saskatchewan from Minnesota at that time?
00:08:19.000 Was it rail?
00:08:21.000 No, they drove up.
00:08:24.000 In fact, I think you have a picture.
00:08:29.000 I think you have a picture of the old car that they drove up in.
00:08:34.000 I don't know what it was.
00:08:36.000 I can remember seeing pictures of it.
00:08:39.000 They left and I presume they went back down to Minnesota, but then they came back.
00:08:43.000 No.
00:08:44.000 Or where'd they go?
00:08:46.000 North Dakota.
00:08:47.000 A place called Vang, V-A-N-G.
00:08:54.000 Both families were in that area, not separated by too much.
00:09:03.000 I think my grandfather worked in the dairy there.
00:09:09.000 And by both families, who do you mean?
00:09:12.000 Well, I mean my grandmother's family and my grandfather's family.
00:09:17.000 And they were married when they came up to Saskatchewan already?
00:09:21.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:09:22.000 And so, why did they decide to come to Saskatchewan if they were already settled in North Dakota?
00:09:29.000 Well, the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.
00:09:35.000 Yeah, except when it's in Saskatchewan.
00:09:38.000 Burr.
00:09:39.000 Free land and it's not colder in Saskatchewan than it is in North Dakota.
00:09:48.000 Right, and so the Canadian government was offering homesteaders at that time a chunk of land if they would come in and do what to it?
00:09:57.000 Well, they had to prove it up over a period of three years.
00:10:02.000 I think they had to break about 10 acres the first year.
00:10:09.000 And I think they were required to have some sort of domicile on it.
00:10:17.000 And that's probably a loose word for home.
00:10:21.000 Right, right.
00:10:23.000 And so, do you have any idea why they left the first time?
00:10:28.000 You said it was hard.
00:10:29.000 I mean, we can talk about that in a minute, but any specific reasons?
00:10:33.000 No, I really don't have.
00:10:34.000 No, I don't really have.
00:10:36.000 I imagine there were a number of factors.
00:10:40.000 I'm sure life was fairly tough in Saskatchewan.
00:10:44.000 I imagine they were homesick.
00:10:47.000 Anyway, that's the story.
00:10:51.000 They left.
00:10:52.000 And do you know how long it was before they came back?
00:10:56.000 I think it was about a matter of about a year and a half, something like that, or maybe just a year.
00:11:05.000 But I'm not sure of that, George.
00:11:07.000 They thought they'd give it another try.
00:11:09.000 And the second time they stayed.
00:11:12.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:11:14.000 Well, maybe it wasn't as bad as they thought, you know.
00:11:19.000 So what would it have meant to break 10 acres of land at that time?
00:11:25.000 What would have you had to do and how?
00:11:27.000 Well, you took your axe and you cut down the poplar that was on the place.
00:11:34.000 And I guess there were a few spruce on it as well.
00:11:39.000 And then you took your grub hole out and tried to dig the roots out.
00:11:46.000 And you used your team to pull the roots out and piled them up and burn them and cultivated the land as best you could and probably sowed some wheat on it.
00:12:00.000 So that whole area, so that was near Nakem, Saskatchewan, if anyone wants to look on a map.
00:12:07.000 Yeah.
00:12:08.000 That whole area, the prairie there, would have been covered with trees?
00:12:11.000 Yeah, there were trees there at that time.
00:12:16.000 Yeah, it was covered with trees.
00:12:19.000 So to clear 10 acres meant you had to cut down hundreds of trees, I presume, and then you had to pull the roots out of the ground one at a time with a team of horses.
00:12:29.000 That's why you could only clear 10 acres or why you had to clear 10 acres, you said, in the first year.
00:12:34.000 Because 10 acres isn't that big by farm standards.
00:12:37.000 I think it was 10 acres a year for three years to claim it up.
00:12:43.000 I don't know.
00:12:44.000 These are things we never really talked about when I was a kid.
00:12:49.000 How do you know about it at all?
00:12:52.000 Well, I guess sitting around the table listening to the adults talk, I picked up a lot of it.
00:13:04.000 So how many kids did your grandparents have?
00:13:09.000 They just had the one, Stanley, my dad.
00:13:15.000 And Stanley was adopted?
00:13:17.000 He was.
00:13:19.000 And was he adopted in the United States or was he adopted in Saskatchewan?
00:13:24.000 He was adopted in Saskatchewan.
00:13:27.000 Do you know if they knew, did they know anything about him?
00:13:34.000 Did they know anything about his family?
00:13:36.000 That I have no idea about.
00:13:39.000 That was something that was never talked about as far as I can remember.
00:13:45.000 Do you know how old he was?
00:13:47.000 I don't think.
00:13:48.000 Go ahead.
00:13:49.000 He was an infant.
00:13:50.000 He was an infant.
00:13:53.000 I don't think I knew dad was adopted until I was a teenager.
00:14:00.000 And then I probably didn't believe it the first time I was told.
00:14:04.000 Was it a shock?
00:14:08.000 I don't know whether you'd call it a shock or not.
00:14:11.000 It was, I suppose it was a bit of a shock.
00:14:16.000 Yeah.
00:14:17.000 So, and they had no other children.
00:14:20.000 They had no other children.
00:14:22.000 And so I remember going out to that farmstead and that would have been 25 years probably after you had left it.
00:14:33.000 With great grandpa Berndt, a couple of times, to ride on a potato harvester he had built.
00:14:41.000 And all the outbuildings were still out there, including the blacksmith shop.
00:14:45.000 And the, I don't remember what you called it.
00:14:48.000 It was this contraption, like an enclosed sled that you used to go to school in.
00:14:54.000 It was still intact.
00:14:55.000 A caboose?
00:14:56.000 Caboose.
00:14:57.000 Yeah, you called it a caboose.
00:14:58.000 Why was it called a caboose?
00:15:00.000 Oh, God only knows.
00:15:03.000 I don't know.
00:15:05.000 I have no idea why it was called a caboose.
00:15:08.000 That's probably a good question to ask Google.
00:15:11.000 All right.
00:15:12.000 So, all right.
00:15:13.000 So, you, Berndt and his wife, and I don't remember Berndt's wife's name.
00:15:19.000 Of course, I never knew her.
00:15:21.000 Clara.
00:15:22.000 Clara.
00:15:23.000 Clara.
00:15:24.000 They built a log house on the prairie and a barn.
00:15:30.000 And there must have been eight or nine other buildings, small shed-like buildings.
00:15:35.000 One of them was a blacksmith shop.
00:15:37.000 Oh, yeah.
00:15:38.000 Well, there were, you know, there were different buildings over different periods of time.
00:15:49.000 But you're right, there were probably at least a half dozen other buildings and the house
00:15:56.000 and the barn and the shop.
00:15:58.000 And the pump, which was surrounded by a big tractor, big metal tractor wheel.
00:16:06.000 Yes, it was a wheel off a steamer that we made a trough out of.
00:16:15.000 And the cabin you grew up in, which was a log cabin, it was insulated with cardboard, if I remember correctly.
00:16:23.000 But when I knew the house, it was still standing.
00:16:26.000 Right?
00:16:27.000 We could still go in it.
00:16:28.000 It was still standing.
00:16:29.000 Well, I think it's still kind of standing.
00:16:34.000 Maybe not.
00:16:35.000 I don't know.
00:16:36.000 I haven't been there for a couple of years now.
00:16:38.000 Yeah.
00:16:39.000 The last time I saw it was a few years ago and it had collapsed a fair bit.
00:16:42.000 I don't think you could get inside it anymore.
00:16:44.000 Yeah.
00:16:45.000 But it had a central room and a bedroom on, did it face, which direction did it face?
00:16:52.000 It had two bedrooms on the east side.
00:16:55.000 Okay, so it was one room, one main room with two bedrooms on the east side?
00:17:03.000 Or was there a bedroom on the other side too?
00:17:07.000 No, there was a kitchen and a hallway and a living room is what we called it.
00:17:17.000 And then there were the two bedrooms on the east side.
00:17:21.000 The house, I guess, was long, you know, it was long north and south.
00:17:28.000 Right.
00:17:29.000 And it wasn't very big.
00:17:32.000 No.
00:17:33.000 How many square feet do you think it was?
00:17:35.000 600?
00:17:38.000 Yeah, probably about that.
00:17:42.000 Yeah, like one floor of my semi-detached in Toronto.
00:17:46.000 Probably.
00:17:47.000 Yeah.
00:17:48.000 Yeah.
00:17:49.000 And you had two sisters grow up with you there.
00:17:53.000 How many people lived in that house when you were a little kid?
00:17:58.000 Well, how old was I?
00:18:00.000 Well, how old were you when you left that house and moved?
00:18:04.000 How old were you when you left that house and moved into town?
00:18:09.000 I was probably about nine or ten.
00:18:15.000 Okay, so you should have some pretty decent memories of that place if you were that old.
00:18:20.000 Okay, so how many people lived there in that house from the time you were born until the time you were ten, generally speaking?
00:18:31.000 Well, I guess there would have been four adults and three kids.
00:18:36.000 Four adults.
00:18:37.000 So your grandfather and your grandmother, Barrett and Clara, and Stanley, your dad.
00:18:44.000 And my mother, Bernice.
00:18:45.000 Bernice, his wife, and your sister Judy and your sister Betty, both of whom were younger than you.
00:18:51.000 Right.
00:18:52.000 Okay, how did all seven of you live in that house?
00:18:55.000 There was two bedrooms.
00:18:56.000 How was that?
00:18:57.000 How did you manage that?
00:19:00.000 How did we manage that?
00:19:06.000 I really have no idea how we managed that.
00:19:09.000 Well, who slept in which bedrooms?
00:19:13.000 Were all the kids in one bedroom?
00:19:16.000 No, no.
00:19:17.000 But that would only leave one room for the adults.
00:19:24.000 Yeah.
00:19:26.000 I don't know whether I can answer that question or not.
00:19:29.000 I don't think I know.
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00:22:20.000 You have a soft spot in your heart for that house.
00:22:24.000 A soft spot.
00:22:28.000 Yeah, well, you always go back and visit it, you know, and you're nostalgic when you go out to the farm.
00:22:34.000 Wow.
00:22:35.000 Yeah, I guess I have a soft spot for it.
00:22:39.000 I grew up there.
00:22:40.000 Yeah, well, what was it like to grow up there?
00:22:43.000 Good.
00:22:44.000 Good how?
00:22:46.000 What did you do, like, when you were a little kid, when you were just...
00:22:49.000 The earliest memories you have, what are the earliest memories you have of being out there?
00:22:53.000 Now, you only spoke, you spoke Norwegian out there, right?
00:22:57.000 Primarily.
00:22:58.000 Well, yeah, kind of a Minnesota Norwegian, I guess.
00:23:03.000 My grandfather and grandmother spoke Norwegian mainly.
00:23:08.000 They could both speak English, but mainly they spoke Norwegian.
00:23:15.000 My dad spoke Norwegian when he was with my grandfather and grandmother and English the rest of the time.
00:23:25.000 My mother, Bernice, probably could speak some Norwegian, but we spoke some English, too, because neighbors weren't always fluent in Norwegian, although a lot of them were.
00:23:44.000 So, what was life like there on the farmstead when you were a kid?
00:23:50.000 You had animals, you had horses.
00:23:52.000 We had horses and cattle, pigs, chickens.
00:24:01.000 Who took care of them?
00:24:03.000 Well, I guess we all did, or I shouldn't say we all did, but my grandfather and grandmother and mom and dad took care of them.
00:24:16.000 And what did that entail?
00:24:19.000 And how many cows were there?
00:24:21.000 Do you have any idea?
00:24:23.000 Well, I would guess that there were probably about six cows that were milk producers and then the rest were raised for beef.
00:24:34.000 Excuse me.
00:24:35.000 Horses.
00:24:36.000 We probably had four or five horses all the time.
00:24:46.000 And did you ride a lot?
00:24:49.000 Ride horse?
00:24:50.000 Yeah.
00:24:51.000 No, not very much.
00:24:56.000 I rode some, but I wouldn't say I was.
00:25:04.000 A cowboy or anything.
00:25:07.000 Any particular reason?
00:25:09.000 Were they, I mean, did you like horses?
00:25:12.000 Was it interesting to you or were they work animals?
00:25:15.000 Well, both.
00:25:17.000 They were interesting.
00:25:18.000 They were work animals.
00:25:20.000 I mean, that's what pulled the implements when I was a kid.
00:25:27.000 I can remember when we got our first tractor.
00:25:34.000 Um, and I can remember when we got our first rubber tired tractor, but I can also remember riding on implements with my grandfather driving four horses in front of it.
00:25:49.000 Plowing that and plowing and that sort of thing and harvest.
00:25:54.000 Well, I don't, I don't remember plowing as such, but I remember seeding.
00:25:59.000 Um, because on the cedar, you could stand on a, on a platform at the back of the unit and, uh, you had a good view of everything and there was something to hang on to.
00:26:12.000 So you didn't fall off.
00:26:15.000 And we had an old dog named Pooch who used to sit right up on the seed box and kind of look around the whole country while we were doing that.
00:26:27.000 He got pretty good at a bellings balancing.
00:26:31.000 How big a farm would have the family handled at that time?
00:26:36.000 I think it was, I think it was three quarters as long as I can remember.
00:26:42.000 And how many acres are in a quarter?
00:26:44.000 180, 160.
00:26:48.000 160.
00:26:49.000 So it was 480 acres.
00:26:51.000 And so the, the farm obviously expanded past the initial homestead relatively rapidly?
00:26:59.000 That I don't know.
00:27:02.000 I know who, I know who owned the quarters that were bought and brought into the farm, but I don't know the details of it.
00:27:14.000 And I don't, I don't know when.
00:27:17.000 Right.
00:27:18.000 So when, when, when Barent and Clara came back up, they made enough of a go at it the second time to establish a farmstead that was successful enough to buy other.
00:27:28.000 They're reasonably sizable pieces of land.
00:27:31.000 I mean, three quarters is not a immense farm by modern standards, obviously, but it's not no land at all.
00:27:37.000 It's.
00:27:38.000 No, it was, it was probably at its time.
00:27:43.000 Fairly average.
00:27:45.000 I mean, there were, there were families that had one quarter of land.
00:27:52.000 Uh, so three quarters was actually pretty good.
00:27:59.000 Mm hmm.
00:28:00.000 Mm hmm.
00:28:01.000 And so everything you ate, I presume pretty much came directly off the farm with the animals that you had.
00:28:07.000 So eggs and milk, you were, were you milking cows every day?
00:28:12.000 Uh, I wasn't.
00:28:14.000 My mother was a great milker.
00:28:17.000 Uh, I can remember her doing the milking a good portion of the time.
00:28:24.000 Grandma showed me one day a picture of the cabin with the firewood she had split for the winter.
00:28:33.000 And if that cabin was 600 square feet and a story high, the pile of wood that she split looked to be 1200 square feet and about at least as tall as the cabin.
00:28:46.000 When she said she split it, uh, I don't think she meant that she manually split it.
00:28:57.000 She may have had something to do with it, but we had a wood splitter, which was run by a small, uh, gas engine.
00:29:09.000 And you could split wood to beat the devil with it.
00:29:16.000 Yeah.
00:29:17.000 Well, that sounds like a lot easier than having to do it with an ax.
00:29:20.000 I know that grandma was a busy woman.
00:29:23.000 Um, but that does.
00:29:24.000 She was.
00:29:26.000 Yeah.
00:29:27.000 Well, she must've had her hands filled with three, with three kids and a whole farm to run.
00:29:31.000 And then when the threshing crews came in, if in the fall, if I also recall, she used to have to feed them as well.
00:29:37.000 And that was on wood stove.
00:29:39.000 She and my grandma.
00:29:40.000 Yeah.
00:29:43.000 And that would be 14, 15 men.
00:29:48.000 It pretty well filled the kitchen as I remember it.
00:29:51.000 Yeah, I bet.
00:29:54.000 So, and they, they were fed how many times a day?
00:29:57.000 Would she feed them three times a day when they were threshing?
00:30:00.000 Three times a day.
00:30:02.000 Right.
00:30:03.000 So that's 52 meals for very hungry men.
00:30:06.000 And that would be one of her many chores.
00:30:09.000 Yeah.
00:30:12.000 Nobody said it was easy.
00:30:14.000 No, no.
00:30:15.000 And grandpa showed me one time the, or I saw a picture of him.
00:30:19.000 I think he showed me though, the parka that he wore out in the winter to do his farm work.
00:30:25.000 And I mean, Saskatchewan is plenty cold.
00:30:27.000 It gets to be minus 40 there on no shortage of occasions.
00:30:31.000 And it also has quite the blistering wind.
00:30:33.000 And I mean, it was a wool jacket and, and jeans essentially underneath it.
00:30:38.000 It wasn't anything particularly bulky or fancy.
00:30:41.000 So, I imagine winter was pretty, well, it could be pretty brutal.
00:30:47.000 Well, I think, I think it was generally true that there weren't adequate clothes for the, for the temperatures that we did have.
00:31:02.000 I mean, the, the best you had was wool, you know, and, uh, wool, wool was the main thing.
00:31:15.000 Wool pants, wool underwear, uh, a heavy wool coat.
00:31:19.000 If you were lucky enough to have one, maybe it had canvas on the outside for a windbreak.
00:31:27.000 But those guys were tough, you know.
00:31:32.000 Yeah.
00:31:33.000 Well, I remember grandpa's arms, forearms.
00:31:35.000 I mean, they were no joke when he was a, he, you know, I remember him from about the time I was 10, I suppose.
00:31:42.000 I think that's about where his memories come from.
00:31:45.000 He would have been 50 probably at that point.
00:31:48.000 And I mean, he had, he had immense forearms.
00:31:51.000 He was, he's a very strongly built person.
00:31:53.000 And he had done a plenty of work.
00:31:57.000 So did, did, did you have a happy childhood?
00:32:01.000 Would you say?
00:32:04.000 Did I have a happy childhood?
00:32:06.000 Yeah.
00:32:07.000 Well, like I said, you're attached to the farm.
00:32:10.000 I would say, yes, I had a happy child.
00:32:14.000 Okay.
00:32:15.000 And up, up, up to what age?
00:32:17.000 Well, I suppose, teen years.
00:32:24.000 So what, what made it a happy childhood?
00:32:29.000 Well, what, what wouldn't have made it a happy childhood?
00:32:33.000 Well, I mean, you were free as the breeze.
00:32:38.000 You had acres and acres to wander around in.
00:32:44.000 There was lots of wildlife.
00:32:49.000 There were some chores.
00:32:52.000 It was just a good life.
00:32:55.000 What chores did you have to do?
00:32:57.000 Oh, you had to bring in wood.
00:33:01.000 Occasionally you had to bring in a pail of water.
00:33:04.000 Usually it was only about a half a pail because you couldn't carry a whole pail.
00:33:10.000 You had to go with the pump and pump the water into the pail and then it wasn't very far to carry it, but it had to be carried occasionally.
00:33:20.000 So you weren't overwhelmed with, you weren't overwhelmed with chores by the sounds of it?
00:33:27.000 No, I wouldn't say, I wouldn't say I was overwhelmed with it at all.
00:33:34.000 No.
00:33:35.000 So you had a lot of.
00:33:36.000 I had something, I had some things to do.
00:33:40.000 Right, right.
00:33:41.000 And you did them.
00:33:43.000 Yeah.
00:33:45.000 And if you didn't do them, what happened?
00:33:47.000 Or did that just not happen?
00:33:48.000 Oh, I imagine it happened.
00:33:54.000 I would imagine a scolding was probably the main thing.
00:34:00.000 Who from?
00:34:03.000 Well, the scolding would probably have come from my mother or my grandmother.
00:34:11.000 Dad was pretty strict.
00:34:13.000 He didn't scold much.
00:34:18.000 So in what way was he strict?
00:34:21.000 Well, let's just say he was strict.
00:34:26.000 Well, I'm curious about your, I'm curious about your relationship with your great grandfather and your father, because you've intimated that in many ways you were raised by your great grandfather.
00:34:41.000 And I remember when I was about, I think, great grandfather Barrett died when I was about nine, ten?
00:34:49.000 Nine or ten, yeah.
00:34:51.000 Yeah.
00:34:52.000 Well, that was the first brush I really had with loss.
00:34:54.000 And I wasn't so upset with his loss because I didn't know him that well.
00:34:59.000 I mean, I was sad about it because I liked him.
00:35:01.000 You know, when, but you were really broken up by that.
00:35:06.000 And so that was the first time I think I ever remember seeing you like emotionally distressed.
00:35:18.000 And it lasted at least a week, you know, which isn't a tremendous amount of time, but it was a tremendous amount of time as far as I was concerned.
00:35:24.000 Yeah, well, it was, he was pretty important.
00:35:32.000 Yeah.
00:35:33.000 So who, why was he so important to you?
00:35:39.000 What was it about him and your relationship with him?
00:35:42.000 I think kids have a, have a real relationship with their grandparents if they are fortunate enough to have them around.
00:36:00.000 And, you know, I can remember walking three steps behind him all over the farm.
00:36:08.000 So, so you trailed around behind him?
00:36:10.000 Day in and day out.
00:36:12.000 Uh-huh.
00:36:13.000 And, and that was fine with him?
00:36:16.000 Yeah.
00:36:17.000 Or was it more?
00:36:18.000 I think it was fine with him.
00:36:19.000 Was it more than fine?
00:36:20.000 He had to go home and wait.
00:36:22.000 Yeah.
00:36:23.000 Okay.
00:36:24.000 Well, that's something.
00:36:25.000 I mean, I remember the day, for example, we went out and rode on this.
00:36:29.000 Now, he was quite a handy person and quite a creative person, mechanically.
00:36:35.000 I mean, this potato harvest.
00:36:36.000 Yeah, he was.
00:36:37.000 This potato harvest here, he built it.
00:36:40.000 Well, you could drive it.
00:36:41.000 And I don't really remember how it harvested potatoes, but he had built it pretty much from the ground up, if I remember correctly.
00:36:48.000 Well, it didn't really harvest potatoes.
00:36:52.000 It was built so that you could drive it in a potato patch without driving over the rows.
00:37:02.000 It had quite a bit of clearance and outrigger wheels on it.
00:37:07.000 Right.
00:37:08.000 Right.
00:37:09.000 And mainly it pulled implements that harvested potatoes.
00:37:14.000 I see.
00:37:15.000 I see.
00:37:16.000 So it was a custom built tractor in some sense.
00:37:19.000 It was a custom built tractor.
00:37:21.000 Right.
00:37:22.000 Right.
00:37:23.000 And he did work in the blacksmith shop.
00:37:25.000 Oh, he was a good blacksmith.
00:37:28.000 He was a good blacksmith.
00:37:29.000 Yeah.
00:37:30.000 And it was probably one of his, I guess you'd call it a vocation.
00:37:37.000 Because if it was raining or if it was miserable, it was pretty easy to find grandpa and me in the shop.
00:37:44.000 Because there was usually a fire on in there and the building wasn't very large.
00:37:52.000 So it was warm and there was always lots to do.
00:37:56.000 What did you do?
00:37:57.000 Especially for him.
00:37:59.000 Yeah.
00:38:00.000 What did you do in the blacksmith shop?
00:38:02.000 Oh, hell, I can't remember now.
00:38:07.000 There was always stuff to do in there.
00:38:09.000 There was, you know, there was lots of, there was lots of junk pieces lying around.
00:38:15.000 And we had a, we had a, I don't know what you'd call it.
00:38:26.000 It was a wheel mounted on a, on what was like a stationary bicycle.
00:38:33.000 And you used to be able to get onto it and pedal so that the wheel went around.
00:38:39.000 And then you could sharpen your sickle or your axe or your knife or a stick or whatever you had.
00:38:47.000 And you could spend a lot of time at that when you were seven or eight years old.
00:38:52.000 And what, what sort of tools did he make in the blacksmith shop?
00:38:59.000 What sort of tools?
00:39:02.000 Well, I can remember him building a grain elevator.
00:39:07.000 Uh, we'd call it, we'd call it like an auger for grain.
00:39:13.000 And I think as I remembered, he built almost all of it out of, out of pieces.
00:39:22.000 He bent a tin or the galvanized metal that built a shoot and wasn't awfully big.
00:39:32.000 It probably only lifted the grain, maybe 12 feet, something like that.
00:39:38.000 But it worked sort of like, it didn't work like an auger.
00:39:42.000 It had a, it had a belt in it.
00:39:45.000 So they had just picked up the grain and moved it along on a belt that had, uh, I don't know what you'd call them even paddles of foot type on them.
00:39:57.000 Mm hmm.
00:39:58.000 Yeah.
00:39:59.000 And he was always building something.
00:40:02.000 So was it from him that you learned how to use tools and to appreciate tools?
00:40:07.000 Because you like to build things.
00:40:08.000 I mean, you've gunsmithed.
00:40:10.000 Oh, I think, I think, yeah, I think it probably was to a large extent due to him.
00:40:17.000 Did he teach you explicitly?
00:40:19.000 I'm sure he kept, pardon?
00:40:21.000 Did he teach you explicitly or did you pick up most of it by watching?
00:40:26.000 Oh, well, both.
00:40:28.000 I'm sure that he probably, uh, made sure that I was kept busy and out of trouble while I was in the shop.
00:40:39.000 And, uh, you know, that probably involves straightening nails and God knows what else.
00:40:46.000 Right.
00:40:47.000 So you had small productive jobs to do while you were hanging about with them.
00:40:52.000 Well, they, they were, I, you know, a job is what the body is obliged to do.
00:40:59.000 Mm hmm.
00:41:00.000 Yeah.
00:41:01.000 Yeah.
00:41:02.000 So this wasn't a job.
00:41:03.000 If it's not obliged to do it, then it's fun or play.
00:41:09.000 Mm hmm.
00:41:10.000 And so that's kind of how you remember that as play.
00:41:14.000 Well, I remember that as a good time.
00:41:18.000 Yeah.
00:41:19.000 Right.
00:41:20.000 So he was a, he was easy to get along with for you.
00:41:24.000 He was good.
00:41:25.000 Yeah.
00:41:26.000 Yeah.
00:41:27.000 Very good to me.
00:41:28.000 How about your grandma?
00:41:30.000 Grandma was great.
00:41:32.000 Yeah.
00:41:33.000 How?
00:41:34.000 What was great about it?
00:41:36.000 Well, well, she was extraordinarily kind.
00:41:41.000 Uh, I can't ever remember her disciplining me other than maybe shaking her head or something.
00:41:52.000 She taught me how to read at an early age.
00:41:56.000 Uh, we used to do homework together.
00:42:03.000 There were always treats.
00:42:08.000 Who knows?
00:42:09.000 She was very kind.
00:42:11.000 She taught you to read.
00:42:13.000 So that was how you learned to read.
00:42:16.000 Yeah.
00:42:17.000 I don't really remember learning to read.
00:42:22.000 I mean, I always had people reading to me.
00:42:25.000 My grandfather read to me a lot.
00:42:28.000 So did mom.
00:42:29.000 So did my grandmother.
00:42:31.000 Uh, I can remember reading the comics.
00:42:35.000 That was very important.
00:42:37.000 You know, the cats and jammer kids and little Abner and that kind of thing.
00:42:45.000 You know, for a long time, I didn't read it.
00:42:48.000 They read it.
00:42:49.000 But after a while, well, I don't know.
00:42:52.000 You kind of pick it up.
00:42:54.000 So I can remember.
00:42:57.000 Go ahead.
00:42:58.000 Did people in your house read a lot when they were, when they had some leisure time?
00:43:06.000 I wouldn't say a lot because there wasn't all that much leisure time.
00:43:11.000 And, uh, you know, for, for many years when it got dark, it was dark inside the house too.
00:43:20.000 Kerosene lamps didn't throw very much light.
00:43:23.000 Right.
00:43:24.000 Did you, was there ever electricity in the cabin that you grew up in up till the time you left?
00:43:30.000 No.
00:43:31.000 So that was all kerosene.
00:43:34.000 Kerosene and later, uh, gas lamps.
00:43:38.000 Right.
00:43:39.000 Which were a little brighter.
00:43:40.000 Yeah.
00:43:41.000 Yeah.
00:43:42.000 And they were considerably brighter.
00:43:44.000 Right.
00:43:45.000 And so it never had, it never had power.
00:43:49.000 Right.
00:43:50.000 So people were up at dawn, I presume.
00:43:52.000 And then, well, in bed, well, when it was dark and in the winter, that would be pretty early.
00:43:58.000 Yeah.
00:43:59.000 So you had a lot of time to spend by yourself if you wanted to wander around out into the fields and into the nearby woods and lake nearby?
00:44:14.000 No.
00:44:15.000 No slews, uh, which aren't as deep as lates, I guess similar, but, uh, there were lots of slews around and slews always had, wildlife around them.
00:44:31.000 wildlife around them yeah i wandered around a lot when i was a kid
00:44:37.200 i think i i think i knew every bush within about five miles of home pretty intimately
00:44:48.020 do you mean every tree well not every tree but i wasn't about to get lost in it
00:44:57.960 hmm yeah well there's something about that exploration you do when you're a kid that
00:45:03.360 really familiarizes yourself deeply with a place i don't know if you ever do that again in your life
00:45:10.760 when you move you know like i can remember the houses around the house i grew up in in fairview
00:45:18.820 far better into my imagination than i can picture the houses in this neighborhood like far better
00:45:26.720 even though i only lived there for eight years and i've lived here for almost 20
00:45:33.360 i still have a much better map house by house in my head of the immediate neighborhood i think when
00:45:40.140 you're a kid you pay attention to things in a different way than you do when you're an adult
00:45:44.820 because everything's so new
00:45:46.680 yeah yeah and well i believe you're right i think kids pay attention to what's going on
00:45:59.220 yeah i think what happened well you kind of your your perceptions get kind of generic you know after
00:46:06.300 you've seen 300 houses you sort of know what a house is and you don't have to look at it anymore
00:46:11.600 you just sort of replace it in your imagination with an image of a house you know and that works
00:46:16.080 as a placeholder but you don't know
00:46:18.080 you don't know the back alley in detail like you did when you were a kid
00:46:23.120 and you know i think you really lose a sense of familiarity because of that
00:46:27.220 that deep sense of belonging to a place is associated with that
00:46:30.980 really detailed exploration like i've noticed in
00:46:34.920 the houses i've moved into and apartments that unless i any corner that i haven't cleaned
00:46:42.120 any drawer that i haven't organized is kind of foreign territory in some sense it's not
00:46:47.980 it's not friendly to me but if i get in there into the details and explore completely the house
00:46:54.600 which i'm trying to do with this house you know we renovated it through two years ago three years ago
00:47:00.100 but i was so sick i couldn't remap it and it seems really foreign to me and i'm not happy in the house
00:47:06.700 because i don't really understand the house you know it's alien to me and so yesterday i spent
00:47:11.260 eight hours cleaning out a closet that was full of stuff i hadn't been able to touch for three years
00:47:16.360 and that was a great relief you know now i like kind of like my closet now i know exactly what's in it
00:47:21.680 i know exactly where everything is i put it there like i sort of touched everything it's mine now
00:47:28.580 whereas before it was just this place that was full of stuff i didn't understand and a bunch of
00:47:33.460 work that i hadn't done and you know it was leery of it there's still a lot of the houses like that
00:47:39.200 so i'm still not comfortable here but but i will be i'm before i leave in january we're going to go
00:47:47.980 through every square inch of it and hopefully put it in order it makes you much calmer to know
00:47:53.940 where are you going in january i'm going on tour oh oh okay going to washington first for
00:48:02.400 week or 10 days right i understand hey and i talked to joe rogan the other day
00:48:09.440 yeah yeah so i'm booked on his show in austin on the 24th
00:48:14.820 24th of 24th of january just just before the tour starts it starts are you good on the 25th yeah it
00:48:23.560 was really good to talk to him i always enjoyed listening to those yeah well rogan he's quite the
00:48:31.320 guy he's uh yeah he's done a lot of things he's tough he's smart he's funny uh doesn't take any
00:48:39.080 nonsense he's nobody's fool uh and he's even-handed with people and generous and he's a good guy like
00:48:47.200 he really is a good guy he deserves his success you know he's been a successful martial arts fighter
00:48:52.840 he was a successful host on a couple of tv shows he's been a successful stand-up comedian and then
00:48:58.920 he's been this ridiculously successful youtube interviewer and podcaster you don't get successful
00:49:04.800 at five different things without being pretty competent so so yeah i'm looking forward to seeing
00:49:11.520 him and he's a courageous sort too so and he's fun to have a conversation with because he has this great
00:49:16.500 sense of humor so so back to your to your grandfather you spend more time with your grandfather than with
00:49:23.140 your dad oh yeah way way more and why was that dad
00:49:29.180 why was it yeah why do you think it was i mean was was that par for the course in those days i mean
00:49:40.940 sometimes kids spend more time with their grandparents if if their well i think i think
00:49:46.960 i think grandfathers probably have more patience than fathers do at times
00:50:00.160 i don't really remember spending very much time with dad at all
00:50:10.800 did you get along with him
00:50:16.320 i guess i must have got along with them when i was young but as a teenager i would have to say no
00:50:35.200 i didn't get along with them very well why
00:50:39.520 well i guess i was probably i was probably as headstrong as he was
00:50:47.040 who knows what sort of things caused conflict
00:50:55.520 i guess down near everything
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00:52:20.040 now you were you were at the farmstead until you were nine and then the family moved into nakem and how big was
00:52:31.520 nakem at that time oh it probably was 400 people maybe and how much different was nakem when i got to know
00:52:44.660 it when i was a kid from from the nakem you grew up in well i don't think it was i don't think it was an
00:52:57.200 awful lot different um i guess there probably were some things you wouldn't do anymore when you were
00:53:08.880 there uh that we did it commonly every day uh never thought anything about it like what uh well
00:53:22.320 uh can you imagine uh uh how old were you 12 sure younger than that too but yeah 12 okay 11 11 12 year
00:53:37.100 old walking downtown with a 22 in his hand to the co-op store to buy some ammunition taking the gun
00:53:47.460 into the store and saying i need a box of shorts 22 shorts and the uh people behind the counter
00:53:57.660 wouldn't even blink an eye they just give you a box of shorts and take your 50 cents from you
00:54:03.900 i wouldn't try that one when you were there even you know no nobody was doing that then
00:54:11.240 no no so that's part of that freedom that you described
00:54:15.460 yeah freedom in common sense i think is uh was a little bit more
00:54:24.320 common then yeah well i wonder to some degree i wanted to some degree i thought that tried to
00:54:31.900 think that through i mean people were working physically and directly in a way that they don't
00:54:40.180 so much now you know you're on that farm you're contending with animals well you're contending
00:54:46.320 with the cold you're contending with the heat you're contending with the light for that matter
00:54:50.560 i mean everything's work but you're directly related to that work right i mean there's an
00:54:56.300 immediate payoff you you go out and and the chickens are there and you have eggs and you go out milk the
00:55:01.340 cows and you have milk and you churn it and you have butter and you turn the kerosene light on and you
00:55:06.600 have light and you light a fire and you have heat you know what i mean is that it's hard work in some
00:55:11.100 sense but the reward is instant plus it's really real it grounds you to to the to the actualities
00:55:17.120 of things and then you know people were younger when they had their families and so i think they
00:55:22.920 were more likely to grant their kids because they were a little more wild let's say being young
00:55:28.940 more likely to grant their kids a certain degree of independence because they were still young and
00:55:34.060 wanted to have fun and then most people had more siblings than they do now you know and i think
00:55:40.800 one of the reasons that people are more helicoptery around their kids now is because they they wait till
00:55:45.740 they're 35 to have them and so they're older that by then and let and more cautious and then they only
00:55:52.960 have one or maybe two and so they don't have 10 you know it's like you're not going to stay on top of
00:56:00.180 10 kids that's not going to happen i don't think you can stay on top of four and so that means to
00:56:05.880 some degrees the kids raise themselves right in sibling groups and the parents supervise but sort
00:56:11.960 of from a distance and i think you probably get a lot more realistic view of the world and your place
00:56:18.820 in it when you're wrestling for position with like six siblings
00:56:24.480 yeah hard to be hard to be it's hard to be special in that situation i mean your siblings aren't going
00:56:32.480 to like that
00:56:33.140 so you never know what these shifts cause and and that that that common sense it seems to me that's
00:56:42.360 associated with like a grounding in real things and and not this tendency we have now to sort of
00:56:48.280 float off into abstractions
00:56:50.340 yep
00:56:53.320 yeah because when you're even when you're trying to build something and you're building it out of wood
00:56:59.460 let's say because i built lots of things out of wood it either works or it doesn't
00:57:04.720 you know it's really the proof of the pudding so to speak is right there in front of you
00:57:09.840 and you can't delude yourself into thinking your table top is flat and straight when it's not it's
00:57:17.940 either flat and straight and the table is stable and looks half decent or it isn't
00:57:24.260 so true yeah yeah i even thought saw you know in my generation a lot of the young men tinkered with
00:57:32.260 cars because you could yeah right you could understand a car with a certain amount of work
00:57:37.200 and you could figure out how all the parts worked and you could even repair them they're like
00:57:41.380 yourself sometimes you had to buy a part but sometimes you could repair them and you had to
00:57:45.460 take them apart and put them back together and if you didn't put them back together correctly they
00:57:48.700 didn't work and now cars are so sophisticated that well they never get the hood open no well they
00:57:55.900 never break down virtually i mean they run well they run a long times but you certainly can't toy
00:58:04.080 with them like you once did they're they're not immediately at hand in the same way so i like
00:58:12.020 nakum you know i thought nakum was a fine town it was it was quite a nice town it had a lot of brick
00:58:17.800 buildings when i was a kid in the early 70s the downtown was still thriving there was a butcher store
00:58:25.520 that was thriving there was a movie theater um there was a dairy that sold milk and if i remember
00:58:31.560 correctly at that time there wasn't anybody who ran the dairy there was just a refrigerator
00:58:36.000 and if you wanted milk you just got the milk and you put your money in it in it basically what was
00:58:41.120 a tin can there were no locks on the door or anything like that that's just how people did it
00:58:46.100 and that would have served a community of probably 2 000 people something like that
00:58:50.860 not that well but surrounding nakum as well maybe you're right maybe you're right yeah
00:58:57.760 no then but by that time there was no dairy in nakum though that that milk came from melfort which
00:59:07.680 was 30 miles away right but that's still how it was sold oh that's that's exactly how it was sold
00:59:14.960 yeah the proprietor of the theater was ralph smith and he had a great trust in people i guess and he
00:59:24.920 said he lost very little money that he was aware of yeah well he'd know if he made a profit at least
00:59:33.300 and certainly he didn't cost him in staff so maybe and you never know maybe you know any it's conceivable
00:59:41.460 but probably not the case that the odd pilferer might have actually needed something to eat i
00:59:46.260 suspect no because that isn't necessarily what drives people to pilfering but yeah i thought nakum
00:59:52.580 was a real nice little town and so and it it was you know the streets were nice and straight and the
00:59:59.520 houses were well built it was it was quite a thriving little community it had a nice brick school
01:00:04.700 that's where you went to school so um so who everyone moved into nakum at the same time your
01:00:13.800 your grandfather no but no oh how okay how'd that work
01:00:17.900 well my grandfather and grandmother were the ones who moved into into fairview
01:00:26.120 and nakum or yeah nakum they moved into nakum and i'm not sure why i ended up there but it probably
01:00:42.080 had something to do with my grandfather and grandmother anyway i was in about grade three i think
01:00:49.340 when i joined them in in nakum and went to school there and mom and dad and the girls stayed on farm
01:01:01.740 and you know it it sounds like we were really separated but you know the distance was about
01:01:08.120 four and a half miles and it wasn't as though you didn't see them every day because most days you did see
01:01:16.700 them and was that was that an okay separation for you were you were you unhappy about moving from
01:01:24.920 the farm were you happy to be moving into nakum with your grandparents yeah i told you i got along
01:01:33.340 with my grandfather and my grandmother exceptionally well and what about you probably mom i got along quite
01:01:42.180 well with mom she was very kind too and what did she think about you moving into town away from her
01:01:52.060 i really don't know jordan uh
01:01:59.560 i don't know i know what she thought about well it was clear that she loved you beyond belief i mean i
01:02:09.520 remember one time we were playing cards up at the lake in saskatchewan and um grandma was up there
01:02:14.900 this isn't that many years ago maybe 15 years ago something like that and so you would have been 70
01:02:21.360 i guess 68 something like that and grandma would have been well in her late 80s and we were playing
01:02:27.460 cards and oh you were getting teased i think julian was teasing you and i think maybe i was teasing you
01:02:33.340 and grandma said don't you pick on my wally and she meant it and i thought oh this is so funny
01:02:39.960 she wouldn't have said wally she just said walter yes that's right that's what she said don't you pick
01:02:48.300 on my walter well really cracked this up you know because well you know you're 70 year old grandfather
01:02:53.780 by that point and she's in her nearly 90 and it was just like listening to a 20 year old woman
01:03:00.860 maybe talk about her four-year-old kid it's like don't pick on my wally mom mom definitely spoiled me
01:03:08.480 yeah well so she probably missed you when you left yeah she probably did but like i said
01:03:16.440 you know it wasn't as though we were gone for any length of time
01:03:22.640 at the very most it would have been a school week you know and probably well for a good part of the
01:03:33.260 year it probably wouldn't have been that because my grandfather always went to the farm every day
01:03:40.500 uh-huh uh-huh oh you know honest there was something extraordinary going on so do you did they
01:03:49.320 move into town because they finally had the financial resources to have two houses
01:03:53.640 well again jordan i honestly don't know i would suspect that that might have been the case
01:04:04.360 yeah well those are pretty cramped those are pretty cramped living quarters
01:04:10.060 did you get along with your did you get along with your sisters
01:04:13.280 well i can i could say yes and i could probably say no depends on the whole i think we got along
01:04:28.460 relatively well how much age difference was there well betty was two years younger than me
01:04:36.260 and judy was seven years younger than me yeah well seven years is a long gap
01:04:44.060 and she was very spoiled with betty or judy
01:04:52.280 judy was very spoiled because she was the youngest
01:04:58.000 you know betty was the in-between girl right
01:05:01.920 all right so when you were out in the farm did you have a lot of friends or was it mostly activity
01:05:10.520 that centered around the farm
01:05:11.940 oh had friends but you know they weren't they weren't right next door right you know they were
01:05:23.740 they were miles away but you had you know you had you had the occasional friend that would come over
01:05:31.380 and uh i had a i had a good school friend called helmer wunderboom and
01:05:41.980 helmer could really ride
01:05:46.960 and he used to ride over on his horse every once in a while and
01:05:52.560 we would go for a ride you know with with around with him
01:05:58.960 me on my me on the horse that i rode
01:06:03.240 not very well and helmer clinging to it like a comanche
01:06:08.040 so how was it that he got to be a better rider than you just more practice
01:06:15.240 more practice i guess yeah and so well helmer helmer was probably more of a cowboy than i was too
01:06:24.780 so what made you not a cowboy i mean you'd like to carry your 22 rifle downtown into nake and that
01:06:31.620 sounds like a pretty cowboy thing to do so what was the difference
01:06:34.640 difference in differences people
01:06:49.280 so you could read before you went to school
01:06:53.160 yep
01:06:54.440 did you like to read
01:06:56.040 obviously
01:06:58.700 why obviously stayed with it
01:07:01.620 what do you mean by that
01:07:03.580 well i don't think you do things that you don't like for very long do you
01:07:11.440 if you like it you do more of it
01:07:14.240 so i read
01:07:15.420 were you were you a reader in comparison to your friends
01:07:21.360 or was that a rather common pastime because my when i grew up
01:07:26.340 most of my friends didn't read
01:07:28.520 you know
01:07:29.700 not much
01:07:31.380 so i was very
01:07:32.840 different
01:07:34.200 well
01:07:34.660 yeah the difference though
01:07:37.420 was that
01:07:38.920 i didn't know what my friends were like at home very much you know
01:07:43.160 i even when i went to
01:07:47.360 to nakem to school
01:07:49.460 i can't say that
01:07:51.900 i really knew very much about
01:07:54.380 very many of my friends as far as their reading went
01:07:58.480 one maybe
01:08:01.120 anyway yes i could read before i went to school i can tell you one
01:08:09.100 thing that i can remember quite well i had learned how to
01:08:14.100 uh do cursive writing
01:08:17.260 and this was before i went to school too
01:08:20.640 my grandmother had a really lovely hand
01:08:23.980 and so did my grandfather
01:08:26.540 uh you could tell that they
01:08:28.980 were taught how to write
01:08:31.020 anyway
01:08:32.320 uh i was copying
01:08:34.800 a comic
01:08:35.940 and i was doing it from
01:08:39.460 from the print
01:08:42.020 to cursive writing
01:08:43.720 but what i didn't know was
01:08:47.020 that you stopped
01:08:49.140 between each word
01:08:50.800 that sounds pretty damn simple
01:08:54.480 but
01:08:54.820 i can remember that
01:08:56.400 asking my grandmother
01:08:57.820 uh
01:08:59.280 how does this work now
01:09:01.100 how do i
01:09:01.700 how do i
01:09:02.580 how do i do
01:09:04.720 when i come to the end of this word
01:09:06.520 and start the next one
01:09:07.700 just connect them
01:09:08.720 and keep going
01:09:09.600 anyway
01:09:10.540 just an aside
01:09:12.020 well it's simple when you learn it
01:09:13.960 but it's not necessarily obvious when you haven't learned it
01:09:16.940 that's right
01:09:18.260 did you like school
01:09:19.760 yep
01:09:21.200 did you like school all the way through school
01:09:25.000 oh no i'm sure there was
01:09:28.480 periods of time and
01:09:29.980 when i was a teenager that i would sooner have been out farming or
01:09:34.780 out helping on the farm
01:09:37.040 in fact i think i've got one report card that says something to the effect that if
01:09:42.860 if walter attended
01:09:44.740 more regularly he would do much better
01:09:48.100 ah
01:09:48.880 and that would have been junior high
01:09:50.540 yeah that was probably about grade nine
01:09:54.220 somewhere in there
01:09:55.860 so what did you do when you skipped school
01:09:58.300 that's
01:09:58.820 i never do that
01:09:59.640 you see i hardly ever skipped school
01:10:01.320 and every time i did
01:10:03.200 god damn it
01:10:03.920 you caught me
01:10:04.720 i did it like three times
01:10:07.360 one time i drove to heinz creek
01:10:09.500 oh three times
01:10:10.760 really it wasn't very
01:10:11.840 i tell you it wasn't very often
01:10:13.480 one time i drove to heinz creek to get away from you
01:10:16.160 i thought i'll drive to heinz creek
01:10:17.400 he's not gonna
01:10:17.980 find me there
01:10:18.960 and then on the way back from heinz creek
01:10:20.520 you drove by and waved at me
01:10:22.680 i said oh my god
01:10:23.760 he caught me again
01:10:24.680 so ridiculous
01:10:25.860 oh yeah
01:10:27.520 you weren't very
01:10:28.280 you weren't very in phantom
01:10:30.140 not not in that regard
01:10:32.060 that's for sure
01:10:32.900 no
01:10:33.760 no
01:10:34.460 so why did you stay with school
01:10:36.480 you graduated
01:10:38.200 was that combo
01:10:38.960 was that the standard routine
01:10:40.460 was what did most people graduate
01:10:42.160 or did most people drop out
01:10:43.540 grade nine or grade ten
01:10:44.620 i again i don't really know
01:10:51.400 i would think that the majority
01:10:54.500 of kids of my generation
01:10:57.480 probably finished school
01:11:00.940 by going by that i mean go went to grade 12
01:11:05.380 not all i mean i can remember several of my friends dropping out
01:11:10.860 prior to graduation you know in in the grades before
01:11:16.480 but a good many of them finished school
01:11:20.220 yeah almost all my friends from junior high
01:11:23.360 dropped out
01:11:24.800 you know while most of them went many of them went worked on oil rigs
01:11:28.020 and you can understand that to some degree
01:11:30.140 but
01:11:30.360 i had a completely different group
01:11:33.360 jobs
01:11:33.820 jobs
01:11:34.960 jobs probably weren't that plentiful
01:11:36.940 at
01:11:37.260 the time i got out of
01:11:39.660 uh
01:11:41.560 got out of school
01:11:42.640 or
01:11:43.280 was in school
01:11:44.900 anyway
01:11:47.180 great grandpa had a band
01:11:49.320 yeah
01:11:51.520 you know i wouldn't say he had a band
01:11:54.120 he was in a band
01:11:55.340 what was the band
01:11:56.940 do you remember the name of the band
01:11:58.220 no hell no i don't know that
01:12:00.980 that's way before my time
01:12:03.080 well they still played
01:12:05.240 i can remember seeing them play in the living room
01:12:07.980 once or twice
01:12:09.400 you can remember some of them playing
01:12:12.460 uh-huh
01:12:13.360 i think the majority of the ones that he played with in the band
01:12:17.540 were probably
01:12:18.540 long
01:12:20.180 gone
01:12:21.880 disappeared
01:12:22.960 was it
01:12:24.020 i don't know that
01:12:25.080 was it a big band
01:12:26.820 oh hell i have no idea
01:12:29.300 i don't even know if you'd
01:12:30.780 call it a band
01:12:31.920 i'd call it a bunch of guys
01:12:33.680 that got together to play for dances
01:12:35.760 yeah well
01:12:36.920 dad was a pretty good guitar player
01:12:39.340 and he could sing
01:12:41.260 yeah well i can remember grandpa singing
01:12:44.860 i mean we don't have
01:12:46.180 i don't think we have any recordings of him singing
01:12:48.880 which is too bad
01:12:49.880 but i can remember him singing
01:12:52.360 yeah he had a pretty plaintive country voice
01:12:55.140 and he was a pretty good guitar player
01:12:56.800 you made me a guitar grandpa
01:12:59.340 yeah
01:13:01.720 i've still got it
01:13:03.380 it's downstairs here
01:13:04.660 i know it's in two pieces
01:13:06.600 what happened was that
01:13:08.120 in the closet
01:13:08.940 um
01:13:10.440 it was strung too tight
01:13:12.040 and the neck
01:13:13.880 eventually worked loose from the body
01:13:16.800 oh
01:13:19.880 i don't think i knew that
01:13:22.280 yeah that's what happened to it
01:13:24.300 and i guess you're not supposed to leave a tightly strung guitar
01:13:27.200 like that for too long
01:13:28.620 or perhaps i'd strung it too tightly
01:13:30.340 knowing very little about
01:13:31.880 very little about guitars
01:13:33.440 yeah
01:13:35.220 so anyway it's sitting behind the chair down in the basement
01:13:38.780 when did you meet mom
01:13:42.460 i would imagine that i probably met her when i went to
01:13:54.820 into grade three in natham
01:13:57.620 what do you think of her
01:13:59.620 i think
01:14:02.700 that i thought she was wonderful right off the bat
01:14:06.580 you think that
01:14:08.000 well yeah i kind of do
01:14:11.360 i thought that about tammy
01:14:13.780 yeah well
01:14:15.820 yeah
01:14:16.180 i was right too
01:14:18.540 haha
01:14:18.960 yeah
01:14:19.740 so was i
01:14:20.900 well good
01:14:21.920 good for us
01:14:23.060 yeah
01:14:24.140 what the hell do you think accounts for that
01:14:27.100 good luck
01:14:32.300 yeah
01:14:36.040 she told me she kind of knew too
01:14:40.540 well i don't know
01:14:44.960 i don't know that beverly knew
01:14:47.840 i mean we weren't
01:14:50.640 we weren't always
01:14:51.740 uh
01:14:53.520 good friends even
01:14:56.620 but
01:14:59.520 were you in the same grade
01:15:01.920 or was she one grade lower than you
01:15:03.640 she was one grade lower than me
01:15:05.960 right
01:15:06.840 tam and i were in the same grade
01:15:09.280 so
01:15:09.580 she was a year older than me
01:15:11.260 because i was younger for the grade
01:15:12.880 but
01:15:13.100 so we were
01:15:14.060 that facilitates a friendship
01:15:16.120 being in the
01:15:16.800 same grade
01:15:17.900 oh yeah
01:15:19.080 yeah definitely
01:15:20.000 but
01:15:20.500 but don't forget
01:15:21.920 we were in
01:15:23.360 the same room
01:15:25.480 oh right
01:15:26.160 as the other grade
01:15:27.340 because
01:15:27.740 there were
01:15:28.200 at least three grades in a room
01:15:31.440 so
01:15:32.340 uh
01:15:33.460 we were probably
01:15:34.460 in the same room
01:15:35.660 much of the time
01:15:36.980 when did you start going out
01:15:42.140 well
01:15:46.040 i think the first time we went out
01:15:49.040 we had been to a birthday party
01:15:51.200 across the road
01:15:52.580 from
01:15:53.420 where we lived in
01:15:55.020 in nakum
01:15:55.760 and
01:15:56.860 some kind of a game
01:15:59.780 she had to walk me home
01:16:02.400 which really entailed
01:16:04.000 walking across the road
01:16:05.600 and a little bit farther
01:16:06.740 hmm
01:16:07.680 so if you count that one
01:16:09.400 we were probably
01:16:11.000 10
01:16:14.820 11
01:16:15.520 maybe
01:16:16.000 hmm
01:16:17.600 and obviously you count
01:16:20.500 obviously you count that one
01:16:22.660 yeah
01:16:25.640 when was the first time
01:16:27.500 we went out
01:16:28.340 i think
01:16:34.180 probably
01:16:35.180 it was
01:16:38.180 i think i must have been
01:16:41.320 through school
01:16:42.520 grade 12
01:16:43.840 or
01:16:45.340 past grade 12
01:16:46.680 and
01:16:48.320 for some reason
01:16:49.560 i knew that
01:16:50.520 beverly was
01:16:51.340 babysitting
01:16:52.600 at her
01:16:54.860 brother's place
01:16:56.140 that evening
01:16:58.880 and
01:17:00.860 so i went
01:17:03.440 and knocked
01:17:04.540 on the door
01:17:05.440 and
01:17:05.960 uh
01:17:07.580 said something
01:17:09.180 witty
01:17:09.580 like
01:17:09.980 to dumb
01:17:10.460 i'm here
01:17:11.100 or
01:17:11.460 i don't know what
01:17:12.400 anyway
01:17:13.400 i think
01:17:13.940 that's the first time
01:17:15.020 i
01:17:15.180 that
01:17:16.460 we were together
01:17:17.580 that way
01:17:18.420 and
01:17:22.820 then
01:17:23.220 i think
01:17:25.300 we were together
01:17:26.120 most of the time
01:17:27.660 after that
01:17:28.600 what drew you together
01:17:31.420 do you think
01:17:32.020 why was she attracted
01:17:33.960 to you
01:17:34.480 do you know
01:17:35.720 oh god only
01:17:36.820 knows that
01:17:37.720 well you were
01:17:39.360 you were pretty good looking
01:17:40.700 oh yeah
01:17:42.580 i was
01:17:43.140 really handsome
01:17:45.200 that
01:17:45.600 yeah
01:17:47.820 no i don't
01:17:49.100 i don't
01:17:49.580 well maybe
01:17:50.260 that was it
01:17:51.060 no i don't know
01:17:52.120 she probably
01:17:53.800 made a big mistake
01:17:55.220 but anyway
01:17:56.680 well you
01:17:57.660 you have your good
01:17:58.540 qualities
01:17:59.020 yeah
01:17:59.880 fair enough
01:18:01.080 what drew you to her
01:18:02.300 yeah
01:18:03.680 hey
01:18:05.360 what drew you to her
01:18:06.620 what
01:18:08.140 what drew you to her
01:18:10.900 what drew me to her
01:18:14.280 well i told you
01:18:16.100 i i
01:18:17.780 always thought she was something
01:18:19.840 special
01:18:21.280 and
01:18:22.900 uh
01:18:23.540 i probably
01:18:27.420 followed her
01:18:28.620 into saskatoon
01:18:29.820 when she
01:18:30.780 when she went
01:18:32.860 to take nursing
01:18:34.520 that was probably
01:18:36.940 my main
01:18:37.660 motivation
01:18:38.420 so
01:18:39.380 you said
01:18:40.260 that you
01:18:40.860 graduated high school
01:18:42.360 and then you basically
01:18:43.380 followed mum
01:18:44.420 to saskatoon
01:18:45.460 were you planning
01:18:46.220 to go
01:18:46.760 on to further
01:18:47.840 education
01:18:48.420 yeah i think
01:18:52.880 i was
01:18:53.580 when did you
01:18:56.360 decide you wanted
01:18:57.020 to be a teacher
01:18:57.740 oh
01:19:00.520 i don't know
01:19:05.760 i had a
01:19:09.920 you know
01:19:10.380 i had a couple
01:19:11.080 of really good
01:19:11.940 teachers
01:19:12.420 in high school
01:19:13.520 and maybe
01:19:16.220 that was part
01:19:17.060 of it
01:19:17.320 i don't know
01:19:18.020 joe
01:19:20.540 fafanoff
01:19:21.380 and
01:19:21.960 and
01:19:23.800 uh
01:19:24.380 frank
01:19:25.500 dupland
01:19:26.180 what made
01:19:27.520 them good
01:19:27.980 well
01:19:29.440 they were just
01:19:30.140 they were just
01:19:31.020 they knew their
01:19:33.020 subjects well
01:19:34.120 they taught
01:19:34.820 well
01:19:35.260 and they
01:19:36.780 were good
01:19:39.320 people
01:19:39.760 you know
01:19:40.620 they were easy
01:19:41.340 to get along
01:19:42.060 with
01:19:42.400 and
01:19:42.780 yeah
01:19:43.720 did you
01:19:44.620 i did a lot
01:19:45.300 of i
01:19:45.740 i did a lot
01:19:46.640 of marking
01:19:47.280 for
01:19:48.080 frank
01:19:49.200 um
01:19:52.480 on the
01:19:54.580 weekends
01:19:55.060 and that kind
01:19:55.720 of thing
01:19:56.080 maybe that
01:19:56.740 was part
01:19:57.240 of it
01:19:57.460 i don't
01:19:57.760 know
01:19:58.000 these were
01:19:59.020 men you
01:19:59.380 respected
01:19:59.900 yep
01:20:01.320 yep
01:20:02.320 still do
01:20:03.480 what made
01:20:04.880 them good
01:20:05.200 teachers
01:20:05.680 well i told
01:20:08.060 you
01:20:08.240 oh yes
01:20:08.660 they
01:20:09.200 they really
01:20:10.220 knew their
01:20:10.760 subject matter
01:20:11.720 they were
01:20:12.820 interesting to
01:20:13.780 listen to
01:20:14.480 and
01:20:15.460 they were
01:20:16.800 just good
01:20:17.360 people
01:20:17.860 and so
01:20:21.060 you moved
01:20:21.500 to the
01:20:21.800 city
01:20:22.060 how often
01:20:23.480 had you
01:20:23.780 been to
01:20:24.160 saskatoon
01:20:24.560 before
01:20:25.080 i mean
01:20:25.560 that was
01:20:25.860 that's
01:20:26.160 a pretty
01:20:26.360 big city
01:20:26.860 by
01:20:27.200 nakum
01:20:27.560 standards
01:20:28.160 how many
01:20:30.560 times
01:20:30.980 had i
01:20:31.340 been
01:20:31.640 there
01:20:31.960 before
01:20:32.540 oh
01:20:34.620 i would
01:20:35.200 guess
01:20:35.660 you could
01:20:36.420 probably
01:20:36.820 count it
01:20:37.420 on one
01:20:37.940 hand
01:20:38.500 so what
01:20:39.900 do you
01:20:40.020 think of
01:20:40.300 saskatoon
01:20:40.840 it was
01:20:44.820 fine
01:20:45.220 were you
01:20:46.780 excited to
01:20:47.280 be in
01:20:47.520 the city
01:20:47.820 or were
01:20:48.180 you would
01:20:48.640 you prefer
01:20:49.180 what have
01:20:49.640 you preferred
01:20:50.100 the small
01:20:50.560 town and
01:20:50.960 the farm
01:20:51.380 oh at
01:20:54.620 that time
01:20:55.120 i think
01:20:55.580 i preferred
01:20:56.220 the city
01:20:56.860 i mean
01:20:59.160 there was
01:20:59.520 lots of
01:21:00.000 you know
01:21:00.440 there was
01:21:00.800 lots going
01:21:01.500 on and
01:21:02.040 that kind
01:21:02.600 of thing
01:21:03.080 did you
01:21:05.180 have a
01:21:05.380 good time
01:21:05.760 in university
01:21:06.340 did i have
01:21:10.580 a good
01:21:10.860 time
01:21:11.240 yeah i
01:21:11.740 think so
01:21:12.340 i had a
01:21:17.140 car that
01:21:17.600 wouldn't
01:21:17.920 start when
01:21:18.720 it was
01:21:19.120 cloudy but
01:21:19.920 yeah most
01:21:20.960 of the time
01:21:21.440 it was
01:21:21.780 good
01:21:22.120 why wouldn't
01:21:24.120 it start
01:21:24.480 when it
01:21:24.720 was cloudy
01:21:25.360 don't ask
01:21:28.780 me it
01:21:30.400 was the
01:21:30.760 most perverse
01:21:31.640 beast i
01:21:32.380 ever had
01:21:33.060 so how
01:21:36.700 old were
01:21:37.120 you when
01:21:37.900 you asked
01:21:38.240 mom to
01:21:38.580 marry you
01:21:39.160 you mean
01:21:41.540 the first
01:21:42.020 time how
01:21:43.220 many times
01:21:43.660 did you
01:21:43.920 have to
01:21:44.220 ask oh
01:21:45.720 hell i
01:21:46.180 must have
01:21:46.660 asked her
01:21:47.380 i have no
01:21:49.680 idea how
01:21:50.440 many oh
01:21:51.180 yes i bet
01:21:51.780 you know
01:21:52.080 exactly how
01:21:52.780 many how
01:21:53.400 many no i
01:21:54.320 don't i
01:21:54.880 don't know
01:21:55.540 i i tried
01:21:57.560 to talk her
01:21:58.400 into marrying
01:22:00.540 me
01:22:01.400 a number
01:22:05.240 of times
01:22:06.120 and she
01:22:09.780 wanted to
01:22:10.380 be a nurse
01:22:11.140 and that
01:22:12.140 was
01:22:12.480 that was
01:22:15.040 the first
01:22:15.600 thing to
01:22:16.180 get done
01:22:16.840 and but
01:22:18.800 yeah no i
01:22:20.000 asked her i
01:22:20.940 asked her more
01:22:21.660 than once i'm
01:22:22.580 sure i think i
01:22:23.940 asked tammy five
01:22:24.920 times
01:22:25.480 well i i don't
01:22:28.720 think you have
01:22:29.840 the record but
01:22:30.900 i'm not sure
01:22:31.840 she asked me
01:22:32.800 once too so
01:22:33.840 that worked out
01:22:34.800 okay the final
01:22:35.800 analysis
01:22:36.260 oh well i
01:22:39.440 don't
01:22:39.760 she actually
01:22:40.600 she actually
01:22:41.940 well she had
01:22:42.840 come to montreal
01:22:43.460 to live with
01:22:44.040 me and we
01:22:44.940 had discussed
01:22:45.500 getting married
01:22:46.060 but she felt
01:22:47.620 it was time
01:22:48.060 and she
01:22:48.320 actually asked
01:22:49.120 me on
01:22:49.920 isn't it
01:22:51.220 sadie hawkins
01:22:51.900 day isn't
01:22:52.480 that yeah
01:22:54.000 yeah that we
01:22:55.120 didn't even know
01:22:55.720 it we didn't
01:22:56.620 even know it
01:22:57.280 it just happened
01:22:58.360 that way
01:22:58.800 no it
01:22:59.340 no yeah
01:23:00.200 that was pretty
01:23:00.780 funny little
01:23:01.560 little abner
01:23:02.580 little abner was
01:23:04.100 just as real as
01:23:05.120 santa claus you
01:23:05.960 know
01:23:06.180 yeah
01:23:06.600 yeah so
01:23:09.520 and i said yes
01:23:11.080 good deal
01:23:11.580 it was it was a
01:23:12.580 good deal
01:23:13.000 yeah
01:23:13.420 yeah it's a
01:23:14.620 good would you
01:23:15.120 would you say
01:23:15.840 that you've had a
01:23:16.540 happy marriage
01:23:17.180 yep i would say
01:23:20.880 i have had a
01:23:21.620 happy marriage
01:23:22.600 what was more
01:23:24.000 important to you
01:23:24.660 your family or
01:23:25.460 your career
01:23:26.060 no doubt
01:23:30.760 at all
01:23:31.960 family
01:23:32.920 what was the
01:23:35.180 best part of
01:23:35.880 what was the
01:23:36.520 best years you
01:23:37.300 spent with your
01:23:38.040 family
01:23:38.440 well i i think
01:23:44.160 the best years
01:23:45.240 were the years
01:23:46.860 that you guys
01:23:47.620 were home and
01:23:48.440 growing up
01:23:49.340 they were great
01:23:51.400 years
01:23:51.960 and of those
01:23:52.800 years
01:23:53.280 younger kids
01:23:55.780 older kids
01:23:56.500 what was better
01:23:57.680 for you
01:23:58.060 oh
01:23:58.500 i i can't say
01:24:01.400 that because it
01:24:02.580 was all good
01:24:03.740 uh
01:24:08.560 no
01:24:09.900 there's no doubt
01:24:12.060 that was the
01:24:13.300 best time of my
01:24:14.320 life
01:24:14.820 why
01:24:15.960 oh
01:24:18.400 who knows
01:24:19.980 why
01:24:20.540 come on
01:24:21.240 i think it's
01:24:21.960 it's instinctive
01:24:23.740 for some
01:24:25.820 people
01:24:26.300 yeah well you're
01:24:27.940 really good with
01:24:28.460 little kids
01:24:29.080 well i was
01:24:31.640 no doubt
01:24:32.700 you seem to
01:24:34.980 trust them
01:24:35.620 well i seem to
01:24:39.380 be relatively
01:24:40.280 good at that
01:24:41.400 yeah
01:24:41.720 and most
01:24:43.900 little kids
01:24:44.600 trusted me
01:24:45.760 yeah
01:24:47.640 not not
01:24:48.940 very many
01:24:49.580 that i
01:24:50.120 had shy
01:24:51.500 away from
01:24:52.300 me
01:24:52.580 so you
01:24:53.180 spent a lot
01:24:53.780 of time
01:24:54.120 with me
01:24:54.460 when i was
01:24:54.860 little kid
01:24:55.300 yeah
01:24:57.440 what do you
01:24:58.660 what do you
01:24:59.320 remember about
01:24:59.960 that particularly
01:25:00.740 well
01:25:04.800 what can i
01:25:06.320 say
01:25:06.700 what do i
01:25:09.060 remember
01:25:09.600 about
01:25:10.160 i don't
01:25:16.160 know
01:25:16.420 i remember
01:25:18.240 quite a few
01:25:19.760 things but i
01:25:20.600 don't know
01:25:21.160 if any of
01:25:22.080 them are
01:25:22.480 god-awful
01:25:23.220 important
01:25:23.840 you know
01:25:24.420 well pick
01:25:24.960 one
01:25:25.240 there
01:25:25.560 well
01:25:27.240 i remember
01:25:28.480 the time
01:25:29.160 that we
01:25:29.660 hatched
01:25:30.560 those chicks
01:25:31.560 in the
01:25:33.020 porch
01:25:33.520 in nip
01:25:34.320 one
01:25:34.580 in nip
01:25:36.020 one
01:25:36.320 yeah that
01:25:36.700 was cool
01:25:37.120 that was
01:25:38.340 that was
01:25:38.760 interesting
01:25:39.180 pretty good
01:25:39.760 yeah
01:25:40.460 uh
01:25:42.820 i remember
01:25:46.360 driving home
01:25:47.980 with you
01:25:48.700 to nakem
01:25:49.660 a number
01:25:50.900 of times
01:25:51.620 and talking
01:25:52.980 the whole
01:25:53.560 time because
01:25:54.700 you'd never
01:25:55.240 stop asking
01:25:56.220 questions
01:25:56.980 yeah well
01:25:58.120 hasn't changed
01:26:00.120 much
01:26:00.560 much
01:26:00.580 no i
01:26:02.060 know
01:26:02.360 you kind
01:26:04.100 of are
01:26:04.360 who you
01:26:04.720 are
01:26:05.080 yep
01:26:06.360 that's
01:26:07.040 right
01:26:07.380 no there
01:26:09.160 were lots
01:26:09.840 of good
01:26:10.160 times jordan
01:26:11.000 all good
01:26:12.240 times
01:26:12.980 i think
01:26:15.620 i remember
01:26:16.200 mostly
01:26:16.740 when i was
01:26:18.020 little kid
01:26:18.580 reading with
01:26:19.800 you
01:26:20.100 oh yeah
01:26:21.780 yeah
01:26:22.600 well that
01:26:23.380 was great
01:26:24.040 that was
01:26:24.920 so much
01:26:25.380 fun
01:26:25.800 i thought
01:26:27.280 so
01:26:27.660 because what
01:26:28.860 i remember
01:26:29.380 i was pretty
01:26:29.920 little but
01:26:30.460 what i
01:26:30.900 remember is
01:26:31.560 that well
01:26:32.540 first of all
01:26:33.040 we had a
01:26:33.420 dr seuss book
01:26:34.320 come
01:26:34.700 every week
01:26:36.400 or something
01:26:36.840 like that
01:26:37.280 because we
01:26:37.600 were in a
01:26:38.180 book club
01:26:38.620 and used
01:26:41.120 to come
01:26:41.360 home every
01:26:42.000 every night
01:26:43.560 and after
01:26:45.320 dinner we
01:26:46.100 would sit
01:26:47.120 lay on
01:26:48.080 the rug
01:26:48.540 we had a
01:26:49.120 hooked one
01:26:49.700 of those
01:26:49.900 hooked rugs
01:26:50.520 and we'd lay
01:26:52.060 on the rug
01:26:52.460 and you'd put
01:26:52.880 your arm
01:26:53.180 around me
01:26:53.660 and way
01:26:55.260 we go
01:26:55.740 through one
01:26:56.280 or two
01:26:56.540 books
01:26:56.920 and you
01:26:58.100 taught me
01:26:58.400 to read
01:26:58.840 no and
01:27:00.360 i remember
01:27:01.020 that going
01:27:02.060 on for quite
01:27:02.580 a long
01:27:02.880 time
01:27:03.300 and it
01:27:04.720 was wonderful
01:27:05.800 to have
01:27:06.620 the attention
01:27:07.340 and uh
01:27:09.420 well and
01:27:10.140 to be given
01:27:10.620 that gift
01:27:11.320 of literacy
01:27:11.960 as well
01:27:12.540 and have
01:27:13.640 it instilled
01:27:14.180 in me
01:27:14.520 at such
01:27:15.100 a young
01:27:15.440 age
01:27:15.860 you know
01:27:17.140 i mean
01:27:17.360 i loved
01:27:17.740 reading
01:27:18.180 it's really
01:27:19.860 shaped my
01:27:20.500 life in
01:27:20.940 every possible
01:27:21.580 way
01:27:21.960 so you
01:27:24.100 know and
01:27:24.340 i remember
01:27:24.900 you know
01:27:26.280 one of the
01:27:27.280 things that
01:27:27.600 was different
01:27:28.040 about you
01:27:28.560 we had our
01:27:29.200 differences
01:27:29.560 when i was
01:27:30.040 a teenager
01:27:30.520 sounds kind
01:27:31.680 of like the
01:27:32.040 ones you had
01:27:32.520 with your
01:27:32.820 dad you
01:27:33.280 know both
01:27:34.140 stubborn
01:27:34.600 and i you
01:27:35.680 know i had
01:27:36.180 hanging around
01:27:37.020 with rough
01:27:37.480 kids
01:27:37.920 and we
01:27:40.060 misbehaved a
01:27:40.780 lot a lot
01:27:42.040 of drinking
01:27:42.560 and that sort
01:27:43.120 of thing
01:27:43.420 you know and
01:27:44.080 i you you
01:27:45.380 put up with
01:27:45.920 them that's
01:27:46.900 about all you
01:27:47.340 should have
01:27:47.620 done really
01:27:48.120 i suppose
01:27:49.000 but most
01:27:51.840 of my friends
01:27:52.320 you know they
01:27:52.660 didn't have a
01:27:53.060 good relationship
01:27:53.660 with their
01:27:54.060 fathers they
01:27:55.160 had no
01:27:55.500 respect for
01:27:56.160 them
01:27:56.400 that was
01:27:57.500 i know
01:27:57.900 yeah yeah
01:27:59.500 it was really
01:27:59.980 rough on them
01:28:00.560 those those
01:28:01.400 my friends those
01:28:02.360 are my teenage
01:28:02.880 friends or you
01:28:03.600 know the ones
01:28:03.960 in junior high
01:28:04.560 yeah
01:28:05.340 i know
01:28:06.440 and uh
01:28:07.480 you know when
01:28:08.800 when we were
01:28:09.520 alone with my
01:28:11.240 friends they'd
01:28:12.980 have a bad
01:28:13.440 interaction with
01:28:14.060 their dad or
01:28:14.520 something and
01:28:14.920 they'd be pretty
01:28:15.980 hard on them
01:28:16.580 bad mouth them
01:28:17.440 and i could tell
01:28:18.240 they were mad
01:28:19.200 bitter resentful
01:28:20.420 angry about it
01:28:21.460 and they had
01:28:22.240 their reasons
01:28:22.760 or hurt by it
01:28:24.180 or a combination
01:28:24.840 of all those
01:28:25.480 things disappointed
01:28:26.320 but i never felt
01:28:27.760 that way i mean
01:28:28.500 even when we
01:28:29.000 had altercations
01:28:30.120 yeah i knew
01:28:39.200 that fundamentally
01:28:40.000 despite whatever
01:28:41.880 altercations we
01:28:42.740 might have that
01:28:44.660 you were on the
01:28:46.600 side of my
01:28:47.140 better angels
01:28:47.960 let's say
01:28:49.500 well
01:28:52.500 yeah well that's
01:28:53.480 a tricky thing
01:28:54.020 to manage you
01:28:54.720 know
01:28:54.920 yeah but it's
01:28:56.340 a tricky thing
01:28:56.780 to manage because
01:28:57.600 when you have
01:28:58.380 kids you kind
01:28:59.000 of on the one
01:29:00.060 hand you want
01:29:00.500 to like the
01:29:00.960 kid you know
01:29:01.800 but on the
01:29:03.180 other hand you
01:29:03.680 want to like the
01:29:04.300 kid that they
01:29:05.040 could be even
01:29:05.660 better
01:29:06.000 so you have to
01:29:07.520 kind of balance
01:29:08.120 that acceptance
01:29:09.140 for and
01:29:10.220 appreciation for
01:29:11.000 who they are
01:29:11.500 right now with
01:29:12.360 a desire to
01:29:13.260 foster further
01:29:15.060 development
01:29:15.620 and i think
01:29:17.500 mothers sort of
01:29:18.400 specialize in the
01:29:19.200 former and dads
01:29:20.060 to some degree
01:29:20.700 specialize in the
01:29:21.560 latter it's not
01:29:22.900 that cut and
01:29:23.420 dried obviously
01:29:24.220 but the fact
01:29:26.380 that you had
01:29:27.080 belief
01:29:27.620 in my potential
01:29:32.420 was has always
01:29:35.960 been of
01:29:37.320 inestimable value
01:29:39.580 and one of the
01:29:41.200 things that really
01:29:41.800 hurt me when i
01:29:42.540 went on tour
01:29:43.680 and talked to
01:29:44.460 so many people
01:29:45.200 was that
01:29:46.340 that was so
01:29:47.940 lacking for so
01:29:48.840 many people
01:29:49.440 you know they
01:29:50.520 didn't have
01:29:50.900 someone who
01:29:51.520 really had their
01:29:52.640 back like really
01:29:53.700 when the chips
01:29:54.620 were down both
01:29:55.400 you and mom i
01:29:56.140 knew of that
01:29:56.620 i knew that that
01:29:59.460 was true and
01:30:00.400 that gives you
01:30:00.820 kind of a
01:30:01.380 foundation underneath
01:30:02.420 you you know
01:30:03.080 well you obviously
01:30:03.820 had it with your
01:30:04.600 with your
01:30:05.500 grandparents and
01:30:06.680 your mother
01:30:07.060 yep i don't
01:30:09.780 know what it
01:30:10.120 would be like to
01:30:10.640 grow up without
01:30:11.120 that you know
01:30:12.640 you'd be pretty
01:30:13.760 lost pretty
01:30:14.760 alone yeah
01:30:16.140 well it's
01:30:17.500 there's no
01:30:18.300 doubt it
01:30:18.840 would be
01:30:19.300 tough
01:30:19.840 anyhow we
01:30:22.760 always mom
01:30:25.300 and i always
01:30:26.120 said we were
01:30:26.940 young and
01:30:27.600 dumb so
01:30:28.620 everything goes
01:30:31.800 well
01:30:32.440 yeah well
01:30:33.920 what's been the
01:30:35.040 most challenging
01:30:35.680 part of your
01:30:36.380 marriage dad
01:30:37.180 what's been the
01:30:40.520 most challenging
01:30:41.020 part of being
01:30:41.640 married
01:30:42.020 because you've
01:30:43.060 been married how
01:30:43.560 long now
01:30:44.140 i don't know
01:30:47.600 60 i don't
01:30:50.640 know 64 years
01:30:52.220 something like
01:30:53.080 that yeah well
01:30:53.920 that's a long
01:30:54.460 time we got
01:30:55.620 married in 60
01:30:56.820 what does that
01:30:57.560 make it
01:30:58.240 61 61
01:31:02.100 yeah it just
01:31:02.840 feels like 64
01:31:04.000 yeah it just
01:31:05.560 feels like 64
01:31:06.780 yeah yeah
01:31:08.100 uh most
01:31:10.380 challenging
01:31:11.060 thing
01:31:11.760 jesus
01:31:14.000 i don't
01:31:20.380 know
01:31:20.740 i guess maybe
01:31:23.400 the most
01:31:23.960 challenging
01:31:24.580 thing is
01:31:25.480 trying to be
01:31:27.440 a decent
01:31:27.980 person because
01:31:29.180 i have a lot
01:31:30.040 of trouble
01:31:30.540 with that
01:31:32.860 what do you
01:31:34.120 mean
01:31:34.400 well
01:31:36.080 just
01:31:37.160 that
01:31:38.540 what do
01:31:40.500 you have to
01:31:40.880 control
01:31:41.320 well
01:31:44.140 i
01:31:44.920 i'm very
01:31:50.580 stubborn
01:31:51.260 i guess
01:31:55.860 probably
01:31:56.600 quite
01:31:57.140 opinionated
01:31:58.080 and very
01:32:02.440 vocal
01:32:03.080 all those
01:32:07.220 things
01:32:07.640 can cause
01:32:10.940 problems
01:32:11.780 and i
01:32:12.360 know
01:32:12.780 that they've
01:32:15.400 caused
01:32:15.760 problems
01:32:16.400 for your
01:32:16.960 mom
01:32:17.220 yeah well
01:32:19.540 mom's kind
01:32:20.220 of gentle
01:32:20.700 person although
01:32:21.540 she's got
01:32:22.160 a spine
01:32:22.800 yep
01:32:25.300 she's a
01:32:26.100 good person
01:32:26.720 yeah she
01:32:27.300 is a good
01:32:27.700 person
01:32:28.060 she's easy
01:32:28.700 to get along
01:32:29.180 with she
01:32:29.580 laughs a lot
01:32:30.360 friendly
01:32:31.300 outgoing
01:32:31.840 yeah i
01:32:32.940 can't i
01:32:33.340 can't ever
01:32:33.720 remember really
01:32:34.540 having a fight
01:32:35.400 with mom
01:32:36.000 you know
01:32:36.500 and when the
01:32:38.660 kids when we
01:32:39.220 were kids and
01:32:39.760 we used to
01:32:40.140 make her upset
01:32:40.900 you know
01:32:41.280 because we
01:32:41.580 were rambunctioning
01:32:42.320 around too
01:32:42.800 much
01:32:43.100 um
01:32:44.540 and we made
01:32:45.940 her upset
01:32:46.280 that always
01:32:46.660 made us feel
01:32:47.180 guilty because
01:32:47.980 you know
01:32:48.560 mom didn't
01:32:49.840 get upset
01:32:50.340 if you
01:32:51.420 if you
01:32:51.720 made mom
01:32:52.100 upset you
01:32:52.580 were probably
01:32:53.000 being bad
01:32:53.720 so we
01:32:55.620 just feel
01:32:56.000 guilty about
01:32:56.560 it so
01:32:57.940 yeah well
01:32:59.640 you know
01:33:00.060 being stubborn
01:33:02.380 and opinionated
01:33:03.260 and assertive
01:33:04.460 has its
01:33:04.920 virtues too
01:33:05.740 well
01:33:09.020 they have
01:33:11.660 its virtues
01:33:12.400 but they
01:33:13.340 are making
01:33:14.000 it very
01:33:14.520 difficult
01:33:14.960 for us
01:33:15.900 yeah
01:33:20.400 yeah well
01:33:20.660 it's not
01:33:21.200 easy to
01:33:21.640 negotiate
01:33:22.040 continually
01:33:22.640 with someone
01:33:23.240 under the
01:33:24.180 same house
01:33:24.660 and you
01:33:25.260 and mom
01:33:25.540 are quite
01:33:25.920 different
01:33:26.280 in many
01:33:26.680 ways too
01:33:27.260 so you
01:33:28.920 have those
01:33:29.320 temperamental
01:33:29.940 divides to
01:33:30.620 get to
01:33:31.560 to cross
01:33:32.700 I mean
01:33:33.100 she's more
01:33:33.960 extroverted
01:33:34.520 and social
01:33:35.040 than you
01:33:35.500 are
01:33:35.940 yeah I
01:33:38.000 wouldn't say
01:33:38.500 I was
01:33:38.940 extroverted
01:33:39.700 and social
01:33:40.740 no well
01:33:41.900 you took
01:33:42.400 my personality
01:33:43.120 test right
01:33:43.900 and I
01:33:44.500 mean you
01:33:45.140 were
01:33:45.420 assertive
01:33:46.500 on the
01:33:47.040 extroverted
01:33:47.580 scale but
01:33:48.440 low in
01:33:49.580 enthusiasm
01:33:50.300 whereas mom
01:33:51.640 is high in
01:33:52.240 enthusiasm
01:33:52.740 and not as
01:33:54.340 assertive
01:33:55.500 you remember
01:33:57.940 things
01:33:58.500 too long
01:33:59.600 yeah well
01:34:00.500 I was
01:34:00.760 curious
01:34:01.100 you know
01:34:02.580 yeah
01:34:04.840 well
01:34:05.660 it's probably
01:34:06.660 true
01:34:07.200 yeah well
01:34:10.820 I didn't
01:34:11.560 you know
01:34:11.900 I gotta say
01:34:12.600 when I
01:34:13.100 when I grew
01:34:13.960 up I never
01:34:14.360 saw you
01:34:14.740 really back
01:34:15.240 down
01:34:15.680 so that
01:34:18.220 was something
01:34:18.620 no
01:34:19.080 you
01:34:20.880 I don't
01:34:24.420 back down
01:34:24.980 very often
01:34:25.820 and I'll
01:34:33.080 be damned
01:34:33.620 if I'm
01:34:34.120 going to
01:34:34.560 back down
01:34:35.360 to this
01:34:35.860 government
01:34:36.360 or whatever
01:34:39.120 in the
01:34:39.440 hell we've
01:34:40.060 got
01:34:40.440 so when
01:34:45.020 are we
01:34:45.220 going to
01:34:45.460 see each
01:34:45.820 other again
01:34:46.340 do you
01:34:46.580 think
01:34:46.840 well
01:34:49.620 I guess
01:34:51.760 when you
01:34:52.200 come to
01:34:52.700 see me
01:34:53.500 because I
01:34:54.600 can't go
01:34:55.280 anywhere
01:34:55.740 and I
01:34:59.840 can't see
01:35:00.600 I can't
01:35:02.300 see it
01:35:02.680 changing
01:35:03.280 yeah I'm
01:35:04.820 not very
01:35:05.160 happy about
01:35:05.680 that
01:35:06.120 no I'm
01:35:08.320 not neither
01:35:08.960 but I
01:35:12.000 gotta live
01:35:12.440 with me
01:35:12.980 too
01:35:13.420 yeah I
01:35:14.480 know
01:35:14.700 I'll
01:35:17.660 come up
01:35:18.080 I got
01:35:20.160 my tour
01:35:20.560 routing
01:35:20.860 pretty soon
01:35:21.540 yep
01:35:23.000 I'll figure
01:35:23.880 out how to
01:35:24.220 come up
01:35:24.660 good
01:35:26.500 got anything
01:35:30.080 else you want
01:35:30.580 to say
01:35:30.960 what
01:35:32.640 what
01:35:33.180 what's
01:35:34.320 the best
01:35:34.660 relationships
01:35:35.280 you've ever
01:35:35.760 had in your
01:35:36.160 life
01:35:36.520 the best
01:35:40.160 relationship
01:35:41.040 yeah
01:35:42.100 oh
01:35:45.060 I guess
01:35:47.160 for me
01:35:47.820 your mother
01:35:48.480 you
01:35:50.820 bond
01:35:54.320 joel
01:35:56.980 yeah well
01:35:59.620 you know
01:35:59.940 in our
01:36:00.680 culture
01:36:01.040 kids
01:36:02.660 they get
01:36:03.860 a bad
01:36:04.200 rap
01:36:04.660 you know
01:36:05.080 but one
01:36:06.520 thing
01:36:06.980 if you're
01:36:08.000 careful
01:36:08.400 you can
01:36:09.840 have the
01:36:10.120 best
01:36:10.340 relationships
01:36:10.880 you've
01:36:11.240 ever had
01:36:11.600 in your
01:36:11.780 life
01:36:12.040 with your
01:36:12.360 kids
01:36:12.740 that's
01:36:16.320 really
01:36:16.500 something
01:36:16.940 the thing
01:36:18.500 is they
01:36:18.860 pay you
01:36:19.260 back for
01:36:19.820 you know
01:36:20.360 people think
01:36:20.940 of kids
01:36:21.360 as this
01:36:21.900 like
01:36:22.660 interruption
01:36:23.440 in their
01:36:23.760 life or
01:36:24.260 an inconvenience
01:36:25.140 sir
01:36:25.420 no
01:36:28.160 no
01:36:29.280 that's
01:36:32.720 not right
01:36:33.180 they're the
01:36:34.620 best thing
01:36:35.000 that ever
01:36:35.280 happens to
01:36:35.820 you if
01:36:36.140 you're
01:36:36.280 careful
01:36:36.640 you're
01:36:39.120 right
01:36:39.600 anyway
01:36:42.180 off to
01:36:44.500 the UK
01:36:44.940 yeah
01:36:46.800 yeah
01:36:47.920 before we
01:36:48.460 can't talk
01:36:49.100 before we
01:36:50.780 can't talk
01:36:51.520 yeah
01:36:51.820 off to
01:36:52.780 the UK
01:36:53.140 tomorrow
01:36:53.660 yeah
01:36:55.120 well
01:36:56.080 we wish
01:36:56.680 you luck
01:36:57.220 thank you
01:36:58.040 I don't
01:36:59.460 think you
01:36:59.880 need it
01:37:00.360 but
01:37:00.680 it never
01:37:02.280 hurts to
01:37:02.980 have a
01:37:03.320 little
01:37:03.540 it's good
01:37:04.520 to have
01:37:04.780 some luck
01:37:05.240 too
01:37:05.560 yeah
01:37:06.620 it's going
01:37:06.900 to be
01:37:07.060 an incredibly
01:37:07.820 exciting
01:37:08.340 trip
01:37:08.700 ridiculously
01:37:09.660 exciting
01:37:10.300 trip
01:37:10.680 it's a
01:37:12.180 ridiculously
01:37:12.660 privileged
01:37:13.260 trip
01:37:13.660 I will
01:37:14.100 I'll call
01:37:15.200 you
01:37:15.500 I'll call
01:37:16.560 you
01:37:16.660 yeah
01:37:16.760 yeah
01:37:26.040 yeah
01:37:26.880 yeah
01:37:27.480 you
01:37:28.060 yeah
01:37:29.540 yeah
01:37:30.200 yeah
01:37:30.980 yeah
01:37:32.100 Amen.