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00:00:57.420 Hi everybody. It's my pleasure and privilege today to be speaking with correspondent Michael Jan.

00:01:14.440 I reached out to Michael because I've been extremely interested in the European civil protests,

00:01:20.360 specifically those centering in, at the moment, in the Netherlands, inspired in no small part by the Canadian truckers' convoy.

00:01:29.180 Those protests are receiving short shrift and minimal coverage in what has been come to know as the legacy media,

00:01:38.060 which is more and more in a collusional relationship, let's say, with the globalist utopians who are attempting to guide our destiny so destructively and unsuccessfully.

00:01:50.820 I reached out to Michael because I want to find out, to the degree that I can, what's going on, particularly in the Netherlands and more broadly in Europe and around the world.

00:01:59.180 And he's a cardinal person to talk to in this regard, and he's a very interesting person in his own right, for all sorts of reasons, which we'll get into as we progress.

00:02:09.600 Michael was one of America's youngest Green Berets. That's not an easy thing to manage. At 19 years old, he spent more than half his life overseas in more than 80 countries.

00:02:20.440 So he's been everywhere, man, and has seen many things.

00:02:24.160 Mr. Yuan is also the author of three books published in the United States, including Moment of Truth in Iraq, 2016, and three others in Japan, covering, among other topics, the present and developing information war with China.

00:02:42.460 He is America's most experienced combat correspondent. Not necessarily a title for the faint of heart, let's say.

00:02:50.460 Most recently, as I said, and this is the proximal reason for this discussion, Michael has been tracking and covering the rising tide of civil disobedience in the Netherlands and elsewhere in Europe.

00:03:01.340 So thank you, Michael, very much for coming in to talk to me today.

00:03:04.980 I understand that you're in the Netherlands right now. You've been there for a couple of weeks.

00:03:08.060 And so tell us a little bit about yourself and why you're in the Netherlands and what you've been seeing and what you think it means.

00:03:14.920 Yes, sir, Jordan, and thank you for inviting me on. I've watched your show for years now. It's incredible to come on.

00:03:22.660 Yeah, and you mentioned the Canadian truckers. Their courage and their inspiration cannot be understated.

00:03:30.460 You know, courage is courageous, as is cowardice. And so we must display courage.

00:03:34.780 Recently, some months ago, earlier this year, I drove from California to Washington, D.C. with American truckers who were inspired by Canadian truckers.

00:03:44.860 And they were flying Canadian flags. These are American truckers and Americans over bridges.

00:03:49.140 I must have seen hundreds of thousands flying almost as many Canadian flags as Americans.

00:03:54.420 You may have seen it on the news while the news sort of blockaded it.

00:03:57.680 No, no, we never see anything like that on the news in Canada because, yeah, our media is so subsidized by the government that anything that runs against government dictates,

00:04:08.700 and I hate to say that about a country like Canada, is just minimally covered or not covered at all.

00:04:15.380 I had no idea that the American truckers were flying Canadian flags.

00:04:19.440 You'd think that'd be news in Canada because isn't it news when Canada becomes interesting?

00:04:23.500 And, in fact, I know almost nothing about the truckers' convoy in the U.S. to Washington, and I do try to follow the news.

00:04:31.760 Jordan, the truckers' convoy in the United States from California to Washington, it was actually pretty massive.

00:04:39.060 And I was there every step of the way.

00:04:40.940 And so many Canadian flags, you wouldn't believe it, hanging off bridges, sides of the roads, even in blue states.

00:04:46.980 And it was all from inspiration from Canada.

00:04:50.100 And so, yeah, again, courage is courageous, cowardice is courageous, and the Americans were very proud to follow the lead of Canadians.

00:05:01.540 And so, again, this is spreading across the world.

00:05:05.420 Yeah, well, that's amazing.

00:05:06.420 Canadians don't even know it, do they?

00:05:07.400 They don't even know it because they don't want the Canadian truckers to know it.

00:05:11.140 No, no, they have no idea.

00:05:12.320 And that's really sad, you know, that we're in a situation where we could have that be something that we don't know.

00:05:20.220 And so, well, that's part of what puts us in the situation that we're in.

00:05:24.000 Okay, so you were with the American truckers when they went to Washington.

00:05:26.960 What sort of effect do you think they had?

00:05:29.840 It was galvanizing.

00:05:30.940 Of course, you know, it's just one battle of many of awareness at that point.

00:05:34.900 You know, and I spent so much time with the truckers because in every country that I go to, I want to know what the farmers think.

00:05:43.460 I go straight to farmers.

00:05:44.700 I want to know what people like truckers think, law enforcement, military, that sort of thing, you know, the basic pulse of the countries that I go to.

00:05:53.400 And so, yeah, it had a good effect.

00:05:56.260 It certainly, as you know, this is a long road.

00:05:58.580 You've been talking about this for years, and you've been fighting this battle for years, and you know it's a knockdown, dragout fight.

00:06:04.900 And it goes on.

00:06:05.800 But you've mentioned, I've watched some of your recent programs.

00:06:09.120 You acknowledge that we're actually making progress against the WEF and the other, they call them WEF here, the World Economic Forum, the WEF.

00:06:17.200 In the Netherlands, they call it WEF.

00:06:18.820 We are making progress.

00:06:20.460 You know, no plan ever survives first contact with the enemy.

00:06:24.640 And now we are the enemy for WEF, obviously.

00:06:28.380 And now that millions of people are waking up, it seems like by the week at this point, you know,

00:06:33.880 the WEF is suddenly in for an actual real fight.

00:06:36.660 And so that's why I was just in Mexico tracking migrants as I've been doing.

00:06:41.780 This is all part of a larger jungle, let's say.

00:06:46.420 It's not just about farmers.

00:06:48.180 It's not just about truckers.

00:06:49.960 It's not just about the information war.

00:06:52.460 Obviously, it's PhD-level warfare.

00:06:54.720 All of the substrate for everything going on is information war, as you know.

00:06:58.500 So who do you, okay, so you said we are the enemy, let's say.

00:07:02.800 And so who do you mean by we?

00:07:04.480 And what do you think the fight's about?

00:07:07.340 How would you characterize it?

00:07:08.460 And who do you think, so to speak, is on the other side?

00:07:11.440 You mentioned the WEF.

00:07:12.920 And of course, they're enemies of the moment, or what would you call it, villains of the moment.

00:07:16.780 And I think deservedly so in many ways.

00:07:19.400 So, but how do you characterize this battle?

00:07:22.640 Why do you think of it as a battle?

00:07:24.980 And what does it look like from your perspective when you're talking to the truckers and the farmers and the law enforcement types?

00:07:32.760 Well, actually, it's intergenerational, as you know.

00:07:35.340 We could go back to the 1920s and talk about the Russian information war.

00:07:38.940 And even earlier, 1879, Grant was talking about it when he was in Paris.

00:07:43.920 And so, but so this isn't something that started last week or even last generation.

00:07:49.320 But some of our biggest opponents at this point are certainly WEF and CCP, of course.

00:07:56.360 I've written three books on CCP information war.

00:07:58.920 Unfortunately, they're only in Japanese language.

00:08:00.760 That's the Chinese Communist Party, for those of you who aren't up on the acronyms.

00:08:04.800 And we'd be hard-pressed to find a more devious enemy than the Chinese Communist Party.

00:08:09.760 If you're a supporter of the CCP and its machinations, then you're either woefully ignorant to a degree that's almost incomprehensible or malevolent to the core, or some appalling combination of both.

00:08:21.540 So, and it's so strange to hear you talk about the CCP and the WEF in the same breath, because you wouldn't think at all that those would be natural allies, given that the WEF, hypothetically, is on the side of the planet and the West, and civilization and the CCP are nothing but tyrannical, warmongering North Korean wannabes.

00:08:41.540 So, they're not, Jordan, I mean, that's an important point.

00:08:44.760 They're not necessarily on the same side, but they're part of the same jungle.

00:08:48.860 I mean, these are two serious opponents.

00:08:52.120 You know, there's nobody that actually runs the jungle, per se, right?

00:08:55.560 And one of the massive opponents, obviously, is Chinese Communist Party.

00:09:00.940 And they are excellent.

00:09:02.200 They are masters at information war.

00:09:03.880 Again, I've written three books on this that are only in Japanese language.

00:09:07.000 I wrote them in English, but I was asked to publish books by a Japanese publisher in Japan about this, which I did.

00:09:14.280 And in an attempt to wake up Japanese to the intense information war that they are undergoing, you know, I got kicked out of Hong Kong in 2020 by the, obviously, the Chinese Communist Party, because I was covering the fighting there for seven months and getting my share of rubber bullets and tear gas constantly.

00:09:34.700 Those things do sting, but they're not quite like bullets.

00:09:37.220 But the bottom line is, is the Chinese Communist Party, their information ground game is so intense.

00:09:44.440 For instance, I went to Nanjing to look at the Rape of Nanjing Museum.

00:09:49.980 This museum is, I've studied museum warfare in numerous countries, for instance, Indonesia, Malaysia, long list.

00:09:56.200 And I'll often go to museums to look for hints of behind-the-scenes influence.

00:10:03.500 And you see in the Rape of Nanjing Museum in Nanjing, China, that thing must have cost $50 million.

00:10:11.040 I don't know how much it cost, but to be directionally accurate, let's just assign a number, $50 million.

00:10:16.320 And, you know, when you show up there in the morning, there's dozens of buses filled with school children,

00:10:22.660 and they go in their different color shirts for the different buses and the different flags, you know,

00:10:27.960 and I was the only foreigner there, to my knowledge.

00:10:32.040 And, you know, when you're about halfway through the museum, you're like, wow, that was the biggest museum.

00:10:36.180 That's like the Louvre almost.

00:10:37.500 Well, it's not quite that big, but it was quite a large museum.

00:10:40.900 But then you realize you're only halfway through it.

00:10:43.240 Now, as a mental health expert, you know that there's two components to hatred, and those are anger and disgust.

00:10:51.020 That's like H2O.

00:10:52.300 If you can combine anger and disgust, you will get hatred every single time.

00:10:58.020 As you go through that, and I'm a writer, so I study these things as well.

00:11:01.480 As you go through the Nanjing Museum, it's all about hatred and disgust focused towards Japanese, right?

00:11:07.940 And it's clear, you know, if you want to know what a country's future plans are, you watch their information ground game.

00:11:15.480 And the information ground game against Japan is a pure hatred.

00:11:20.600 For instance, they ring the sirens several times a year in Nanjing, you know, as if there's an air raid going on.

00:11:27.680 When you're, you know, I've spent quite a bit of time in China all over the place.

00:11:31.140 You know, at nighttime, if you're in the hotel room, you'll always see the movies.

00:11:35.440 Here comes the drunken Japanese soldier, again, with his uniform, and he kills the, you know, the Chinese parents and rapes the girl, and he staggers out drunk.

00:11:45.080 You know, there's that movie.

00:11:46.240 And then next comes the second movie that night, same thing.

00:11:49.880 It's the same story every single night, seven days a week.

00:11:52.860 I don't suppose they show drunken cultural revolution students from the 1960s, like, killing people and destroying all the last vestiges of Chinese traditional culture.

00:12:05.720 No, sir.

00:12:06.740 No, I imagine not.

00:12:08.820 And you can see, for instance, in Okinawa now, one of the things that, I mean, you've talked about these things before.

00:12:14.060 You know, I have an office in Thailand.

00:12:15.980 They're trying to split Thailand into three different parts.

00:12:18.580 I was out with the Maoists in Nepal for about a year.

00:12:21.480 One of the things that they did to help, you know, the Maoists eventually win, if you want to call it winning, is to get everybody to speak their own languages, right?

00:12:28.720 Everybody to go with their own divide and conquer.

00:12:31.700 When I was recently in Morocco, same thing.

00:12:33.900 You see a new Berber language written on the road signs, which is like a new made-up language.

00:12:38.860 I mean, Berber's not a made-up language, but the written component is.

00:12:43.460 And I see these things all over the place.

00:12:45.720 You know, divide and it's been happening down in Colombia.

00:12:48.360 I was down in Colombia last year with a senator, Maria Cabal, and Maria said, why are they trying to get all the indigenous people to speak their own languages and to fight each other and to fight us?

00:12:58.400 And, of course, you know, Colombia just fell as well, right?

00:13:01.440 So this is the same thing that they're doing in Panama.

00:13:04.060 I've spent a lot of time in Panama recently, and I'm watching that closely.

00:13:08.720 You see Panama is melting down right now.

00:13:10.720 And, you know, obviously there's a Panama Canal there that's of some significance, to put it mildly.

00:13:17.200 Also, Panama is a major invasion route to the United States.

00:13:21.020 I've spent many months.

00:13:22.080 I took two congressmen there last year into the Darien Gap, one of the most dangerous jungles in the world.

00:13:27.020 Actually, I can't believe they went out there.

00:13:28.560 But they went deep into the Darien Gap, and I showed them exactly this invasion that's coming through Asia and Africa and South America, up through Colombia, up through Panama, and going straight to the United States, right?

00:13:42.120 People from about 140 countries, completely unvetted.

00:13:46.140 And it's growing.

00:13:47.380 It's becoming massive.

00:13:48.300 I was there when Mayorkas landed right in front of me in his Blackhawk helicopters some months ago, expanding our program there for this invasion route.

00:13:57.780 So all of these things fit together, Jordan.

00:14:00.140 As you know, the information...

00:14:00.760 How do you stop from becoming paranoid?

00:14:04.200 And, I mean, you're behind the scenes looking at all these strange things, this web of intrigue on multiple fronts.

00:14:10.520 How do you protect yourself against paranoia and conspiratorial thinking?

00:14:15.080 And this is a very dead serious question because, you know, it's very hard not to take on the trappings of your surroundings.

00:14:21.600 And when you're constantly looking at intrigue and malevolence behind the scenes, I can't see how that could help but color your entire world view.

00:14:29.980 And so, given that, why do you think people should trust your perspective and believe that what you're seeing is veridical and not, like, tilted by your own, what would you call it, preoccupations and situational peculiarities?

00:14:46.940 Well, that's an excellent question.

00:14:49.140 And I've asked myself that many times because self-auditing is essential in this line of work.

00:14:54.060 And I do think I've had a sort of self-vaccination when I was younger on this particular topic because since I was a child, I was always into science, especially physics.

00:15:07.060 And I was just, basically, I was failing school because all I wanted to do was study physics.

00:15:13.460 And so, you know, you can never waste a moment of your time studying mathematics and that sort of thing, right?

00:15:19.980 And so, you know, when you start off when you're 9 or 10 years old, basically enthralled by the sciences, and you live in a fact, you built a fact-based world around your life, you build self-auditing into your thinking processes, right?

00:15:37.000 Like, you're always questioning whether, am I, is this just a perception?

00:15:41.120 Am I right or wrong on this sort of thing?

00:15:43.400 You know, so, yeah, I mean, obviously, I'm always.

00:15:46.880 So part of it's scientific rationality.

00:15:50.440 Do you have people around you, friends and family, that also help keep you in check?

00:15:55.220 Well, I've never really been highly conspiratorial to begin with.

00:15:58.840 I mean, for instance, when I, on the museum warfare, you know, I mean, that was brought up to me by someone, actually, a military officer, a former now that I work with closely.

00:16:11.580 And he flew over to Thailand to brief me on it maybe eight years ago or something.

00:16:17.160 And he briefed me on it quite a while.

00:16:19.420 And then we started flying around to different countries like Indonesia and Malaysia and looking at these museums.

00:16:24.120 And I said, wow, this is clearly cookie-cutter museums.

00:16:28.120 It's clearly designed to cause hatred against Japanese.

00:16:32.120 And, you know, when we look at, oh, good Lord, I could go in for literally days.

00:16:35.680 I've written three books about it, so I'll have to self-edit there, but so I make it go in forever.

00:16:40.460 But there is clearly a larger organization around this museum warfare, and it's definitely centered in China.

00:16:48.620 For instance, when I was at Penang, there was a, there was a, the curator of the museum, I said, wow, what a nice museum you've got here.

00:16:56.820 Of course, it was all about hating Japanese.

00:16:59.100 And, and, and, and he said, oh, I just got back from, I just got back from Beijing.

00:17:04.980 And he said, I was invited there because they, they enjoyed my museum so much.

00:17:08.960 And I said, oh, really?

00:17:09.880 Do you have any photos?

00:17:10.780 And he pulls out this book from under the desk.

00:17:13.100 Actually, it's a large book.

00:17:14.560 I photographed the whole book, and it's got photos of all the curators from all these different museums, such as Holocaust Museum in Houston, Texas, right?

00:17:22.740 And it's got all the names in there.

00:17:24.760 I photographed everything, checked out every name in the book, right?

00:17:27.820 It's clear, and it took a lot of research, but we can clearly see this is part of a very sophisticated organism, information operation that is, that's just part of it.

00:17:41.260 Okay, well, let's, let's turn, let's turn to the WEF, and let's turn to the global utopiasts, and to what happened in Canada.

00:17:50.700 The Canadian truckers here, they were pushing back against what they regarded as unwarranted government overreach and intrusion into their private lives on the COVID front, fundamentally.

00:18:00.180 And I was a supporter of the truckers right from day one.

00:18:03.980 I believe, like you do, that truckers and farmers and the men, particularly the men and the women who work on those frontline occupations, have a pragmatic wisdom that the intellectual types often don't.

00:18:17.880 And I've also noted, too, that the intellectual socialist types really like the working class in principle, but they actually don't like the working class as such, because they tend not to hold the same utopian intellectual views that the globalists do.

00:18:31.800 And so we saw that in spades in Canada.

00:18:33.880 And I've seen my government take a turn for the worse on multiple dimensions in Canada that's jaw-dropping in its continuity and depth.

00:18:42.720 And it's clearly the case that Canadians haven't woken up to that yet, although perhaps they're starting to.

00:18:47.360 And a huge part of that is this appalling and unconscionable media collusion.

00:18:53.620 And so now we see something similar happening in Europe, particularly in the Netherlands.

00:19:00.180 And we should let everyone know, and you have to listen to this, this is so important, you know, the Netherlands is the world's second biggest exporter of agricultural products.

00:19:09.000 This little tiny postage stamp of a country that was scraped out of the ocean has managed to put itself together so that it can not only feed itself, but so that it's a major agricultural supplier worldwide.

00:19:20.580 It's a phenomenal accomplishment.

00:19:22.640 We should be so happy with the Dutch farmers that we can hardly stand ourself.

00:19:25.900 And instead, the courts in particular have mandated that the farmers be scuttled.

00:19:33.260 And the government, their own government, has basically come out right out and said, well, because you guys pollute so much, we have to crack down on you as well as reducing the speed limits of our cars, which is another appalling move.

00:19:45.840 And we're sorry, but a lot of you are going to have to go out of business.

00:19:50.100 But, you know, that's to make an omelet, a few eggs have to be broken.

00:19:54.500 And as the president of Greenpeace in the Netherlands said recently, well, we know we're not going to combat climate change, the climate change emergency without inconveniencing a few people.

00:20:04.900 And now there's what, 40,000 truckers in the Netherlands who are up in arms.

00:20:09.040 And I believe 100,000 people have protested in Spain.

00:20:13.060 And this is spreading into Germany and into the fishermen in the Netherlands as well, who are also being pressured by these utopian types.

00:20:20.140 And so how do you tie that into what happened in Canada and the U.S.?

00:20:24.240 And what do you think is going on?

00:20:26.600 Well, it's all part of this larger World Economic Forum attacks on us, of course.

00:20:32.980 And by the way, I lived in Europe for six years.

00:20:35.860 Ich spreche Deutsch.

00:20:36.700 Ich habe in Deutschland viel Jahre gewohnt.

00:20:38.360 I lived four years in Germany.

00:20:40.560 I lived two years in Poland.

00:20:42.380 And I've been all over Europe, right?

00:20:44.420 But mostly not recently.

00:20:46.280 Mostly I've been in Asia recently and other places.

00:20:48.880 And so, but yeah, it's clear that, for instance, when I was recently in Mexico following the migrants just streaming across, in May alone, we had about 310,000 illegally crossed into the United States in one month.

00:21:04.520 And so when I saw that—

00:21:05.500 How many? 310,000?

00:21:07.080 Roughly 310,000 known crossed just in May, right?

00:21:13.320 And so, and I'm not sure what that number is this last month.

00:21:17.280 I've tried—I don't know the number yet.

00:21:18.900 But the bottom line is it's increasing at a very high rate.

00:21:24.660 And this human osmotic pressure, I call it HOP, human osmotic pressure, the push and pull of migration, is greatly fueled by, one, information campaigns, which I've seen in Colombia, for instance, on CNN, encouraging people to go north.

00:21:39.060 And also, obviously, another thing that causes HOP is war, famine, pandemic, and also the economic negative pressure, which would draw you into another place, right?

00:21:52.040 So there's the positive pressure that pushes you out and the negative pressure that pushes you in, pulls you in.

00:21:56.540 And this is really dramatically expanding.

00:21:59.100 You can see this also in Europe.

00:22:02.160 As you know, they're being overwhelmed with hungry mouths, actually, as we go into a global famine, which I've been warning about daily for 30 months.

00:22:10.940 Yeah, okay, so let's talk about—okay, let's talk about this global famine, man, because I see that coming in the fall in a big way.

00:22:17.880 And so my sense is, well, partly because of the Ukraine conflict and the fact that we're wiping out a big chunk of the world's wheat supply and fertilizer supply, that we're going to be putting about 150 million people under intense food pressure, really starting this fall.

00:22:33.140 I think that's when it's going to kick in.

00:22:34.660 And my sense is, well, there's no way that can happen without mass migration pressure on Europe, maybe of a scale that makes the last migration crisis look like virtually nothing.

00:22:43.420 And so am I being paranoid about that?

00:22:45.260 You seem to be thinking along the same lines.

00:22:46.900 And you said you've seen this coming for about three years.

00:22:50.380 I think you're understating it, actually.

00:22:52.780 So what's going to happen in the fall?

00:22:55.560 I started warning in January of 2020, actually, and I've warned every day since.

00:23:00.340 And at this point, I warn about, you know, a half a dozen times a day.

00:23:05.860 So pan for war.

00:23:07.120 Let's talk about pan for war first.

00:23:08.620 Pandemic, famine, war, the triangle of death, they always go together.

00:23:12.240 If you get a big war or a big pandemic or a big famine, you'll get the other two.

00:23:19.220 You get one, you get the other two.

00:23:20.440 It's three musketeers.

00:23:21.640 And all of these things, any one of them creates the hop, human osmotic pressure, right?

00:23:26.280 So these things go together.

00:23:27.620 So when I saw this, I was one of the very first alerting on the pandemic, right?

00:23:32.260 I was in January.

00:23:33.620 And mid to somewhere around January 19th, I think, I started warning about a pandemic.

00:23:42.240 And so immediately, having studied war for so many years, not just kinetic war and the

00:23:49.020 shootouts and all that.

00:23:50.040 I did that for years back when I was quite skinny and running around out in the wars and all that.

00:23:54.660 But there's also information war, which is the PhD level of warfare.

00:23:59.620 And then there's these other components that people must study if they're going to be a

00:24:03.040 serious student of war, which is migration, pandemic, and famine.

00:24:08.280 They always go together, period.

00:24:10.520 Yeah.

00:24:10.940 Okay.

00:24:11.220 So let me ask you a question about that.

00:24:13.760 So my sense was that on the pandemic front, that because we disrupted the supply chains,

00:24:18.920 and we have by no means fixed that in the least, there's a shortage.

00:24:22.540 You can't get a car in Canada, you can't get a motorbike, you can't get a personal watercraft,

00:24:28.520 you can't get paper and cardboard for books.

00:24:31.080 There's a massive backlog and lineup for everything.

00:24:34.680 I know that one container ship in five is now snared at a port.

00:24:39.440 And so I know what happens when you put pressure on the supply chain.

00:24:43.720 The people who suffer for that the most are the people at the bottom of the economic hierarchy.

00:24:48.060 And so those are going to be people that are barely hanging on in developing countries,

00:24:51.900 especially in North Africa.

00:24:54.200 That'll be my guess where this is going to affect, this is going to have the biggest effects.

00:24:58.960 And so, you know, if you show a 1% increase in unemployment, you get a 5% increase in psychiatric

00:25:04.980 hospitalization.

00:25:06.140 And that's because there's a lot of people who are just barely making ends meet.

00:25:09.460 And then if you double the cost of necessities like energy or, let's say, fertilizer, or

00:25:14.120 we could even put in food, then you're going to produce a tremendous amount of economic

00:25:20.320 pressure on these people, tilt them into starvation.

00:25:23.580 And so we've seen what's happened in Sri Lanka, which is just an absolute bloody major significant

00:25:29.160 ongoing catastrophe.

00:25:30.560 21 million people in Sri Lanka.

00:25:32.340 There's no way we're going to be able to feed them in any real sense for any long period

00:25:36.000 of time.

00:25:36.380 So all that eco movement forward on the Sri Lankan front is going to ensure that those

00:25:41.980 poor, starving people are going to eat every goddamn animal in that entire country to stave

00:25:46.820 off starvation.

00:25:47.740 And then they're going to burn everything for fuel because what the hell else are they

00:25:50.880 going to do?

00:25:51.720 So this idea that we can make people poor, hungry, cold, or hot by scaling back food production

00:25:57.560 and disrupting energy supplies, and that's somehow going to save the planet, is as backwards

00:26:01.980 a conception as any dimwit could possibly formulate.

00:26:04.500 And so, okay, so what do you think is going to happen in the fall?

00:26:09.320 Massive famines.

00:26:10.540 And, you know, I went to Sri Lanka four or five, six years ago to have a look-see.

00:26:15.360 I'm often just going and looking and checking the police and the food supply.

00:26:19.700 And there was plenty of food.

00:26:21.180 Sri Lanka had so much food.

00:26:22.700 It was just like cheap and plentiful, right?

00:26:24.960 And then the next thing you know, here we go.

00:26:27.720 Now, famine.

00:26:28.020 Yeah, it was doing well.

00:26:28.860 Yeah, one thing about famine.

00:26:31.640 Famine creates famine in the same way that war creates war and fire creates fire.

00:26:37.240 Famine creates famine.

00:26:38.480 So when we go into these initial phases of famine, you'll see immediately, obviously,

00:26:44.140 price controls will start to be enforced.

00:26:46.320 This happens every time.

00:26:48.020 It's happening right now in Panama in the last 48 hours, right?

00:26:51.020 Price controls on gasoline and some other things.

00:26:53.140 Oh, yeah.

00:26:53.620 A lot of violence now in Panama.

00:26:55.120 In fact, just minutes before you and I came on, I was talking with a friend in Panama about

00:27:00.120 the current situation.

00:27:01.440 That's how close I keep tabs on Panama for various reasons.

00:27:05.840 One is the Panama Canal.

00:27:07.600 And so another thing is, for instance, when people are hungry, as you know, within 48 hours,

00:27:16.960 they're going to hit the streets, right?

00:27:18.360 And they'll start robbing the stores.

00:27:20.160 They'll start robbing the trucks and the trains and the boats.

00:27:23.280 And so then supplies stop going.

00:27:26.400 Governments always start taking food from the farmers.

00:27:29.300 Without exception, in my study over the years, governments always go for the farmers.

00:27:36.140 And like in Egypt, recently forcing the Egyptian farmers to sell to only approved warehouses,

00:27:43.160 that sort of thing.

00:27:44.100 So people start robbing from the farmers as well, right?

00:27:47.360 And then the farmers say, hey, I'm either bankrupt or I'm not making any money.

00:27:52.360 And so the farmers stop farming.

00:27:54.820 So that's how you see we get into the second season of this, right?

00:27:58.260 And so the famine creates more famine, just like fire creates fire.

00:28:02.960 And then famine, you know, let's say you have 20 million people that are hungry in Sri Lanka.

00:28:08.880 And as their nutritional resources diminish, so too does their physical resilience.

00:28:16.920 And now they're open to disease.

00:28:18.600 Many of the people that die in famines actually die from things like, they call them famine

00:28:23.560 fevers.

00:28:24.140 One of those is typhus.

00:28:25.560 Another is relapsing fevers.

00:28:28.160 Cholera, which is not a famine fever.

00:28:29.900 Waterborne, of course.

00:28:31.440 Anyway, the bottom line is many of the people, if not most, who die during famines are actually

00:28:37.300 from disease.

00:28:38.360 And then this causes that human osmotic pressure.

00:28:41.140 And these sorts of things often lead to more war, right?

00:28:44.100 So it's a recursive sort of, you know, the factors just keep, you know, it's almost a

00:28:51.040 fission reaction, right?

00:28:53.200 And it reaches a critical mass and it's out of control.

00:28:55.120 Positive feedback loop.

00:28:56.420 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:28:57.320 Runaway, Pareto distribution problem.

00:28:59.420 Runaway, runaway catastrophe.

00:29:01.920 Yeah, I get it.

00:29:02.740 Positive feedback loops emerging everywhere.

00:29:04.940 And why do you think, what are the factors that are driving the reemergence of the famine?

00:29:09.440 And you said there's a lot of instability in Central America.

00:29:13.540 And so we're going to keep an eye out there.

00:29:15.420 Obviously, Sri Lanka has collapsed entirely.

00:29:17.620 And there's absolutely no doubt whatsoever that a major part of the reason that Sri Lanka

00:29:21.720 collapsed is because the globalist utopians gathered the reins of government in Sri Lanka

00:29:27.320 because it was actually developing at quite a rate.

00:29:29.460 And as you said, it would have a lot of food and not a bad general income level just a few

00:29:33.380 years ago.

00:29:34.000 So this wasn't a catastrophic country to begin with.

00:29:36.500 It was a country on the move upward and it was completely scuttled by these globalist

00:29:40.520 plans.

00:29:41.540 And so what's contributing to the developing famine right now in and where do you think

00:29:45.940 it's going to be most intense?

00:29:48.400 Where will it be the most intense?

00:29:50.380 That's something I think about every single day.

00:29:53.300 One of the things I've learned in wars and in the study of war is whatever you think will

00:29:58.900 probably turn out to be wrong.

00:30:00.760 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:30:01.860 You know this.

00:30:02.800 I watch so many of your programs.

00:30:04.140 You know, the systems that emerge will present themselves in due course, right?

00:30:14.660 What we can see is the, you know, when I talk with Laura Logan, the famous correspondent,

00:30:20.480 she'll say they've been talking about, you know, 1.2 billion, they meaning World Economic

00:30:26.400 Forum, have been talking about 1.2 billion people forced to migrate.

00:30:32.720 They've been talking about that for years.

00:30:34.800 And it's true.

00:30:35.400 Yeah.

00:30:35.640 And they're going to blame it.

00:30:36.520 They're bloody well going to blame it on climate change.

00:30:38.820 You watch.

00:30:39.480 That's what they're going to do.

00:30:40.920 Absolutely.

00:30:41.660 You bet.

00:30:42.340 Yeah.

00:30:43.440 Everything's climate change.

00:30:43.720 So 1.2 billion.

00:30:45.140 1.2 billion.

00:30:46.180 So my estimation of 150 million is you think is optimistic.

00:30:51.080 I think highly optimistic.

00:30:52.720 I would not be surprised.

00:30:53.920 Jordan, I would not be surprised if within, by 2025, if a billion people aren't dead.

00:31:00.460 I mean, we're really heading into the most epic famines that have ever happened in human

00:31:05.700 history.

00:31:06.080 I watched this seven days a week.

00:31:07.200 I was looking at an Economist cover the other day, the Economist magazine, and it said 20

00:31:14.800 million people saved by COVID vaccine.

00:31:17.960 And I thought, yeah, you bastards, for every million persons that you saved with the lockdowns

00:31:23.500 and the whole vaccination, not the vaccination scam, but the pandemic panic, you're probably

00:31:32.460 going to kill 50 because of supply chain disruptions and postponed starvation.

00:31:39.640 And so, you know, that's part of the problem with turning political decisions over to the

00:31:43.120 medical experts is that, well, we save some people with the left hand and we do them a

00:31:47.760 hundred more with the right hand.

00:31:49.900 And there is a lag.

00:31:51.780 We basically tried to shut down the world's economy for two years as if we could do that

00:31:56.180 because, well, look, everything's so plentiful, isn't it?

00:31:58.760 Doesn't it matter at all that people aren't going to go to work?

00:32:01.860 It turns out that it actually matters a lot.

00:32:04.440 And so what are the factors right now that are contributing to this emergent food insecurity,

00:32:12.480 quote, problem?

00:32:14.260 Why are these people who are being fed not being fed now?

00:32:18.800 Let's talk about energy.

00:32:19.940 Energy is another kill shot.

00:32:21.320 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:32:22.520 You see, this highly ill-advised war in Ukraine.

00:32:27.480 You know, I was in Lithuania last year warning about this over and over and over.

00:32:31.920 I was down in Morocco with my friend, war correspondent Chuck Holton, and we called up Frontex, which

00:32:38.120 is like the European Border Patrol, you might say.

00:32:41.100 Their headquarters is in Warsaw.

00:32:42.920 And they said Belarus, Lukashenko, the dictator there, is pushing migrants into Lithuania.

00:32:47.920 And I had been with the Lithuanian army in Afghanistan.

00:32:51.340 I called them up.

00:32:52.020 I said, what's going on?

00:32:53.300 And they said, hey, come on up.

00:32:54.700 So I flew from Morocco to Vilnius, Lithuania, and I had full access to their elected officials,

00:33:01.840 intelligence, the camps for the migrants, and army, the whole thing.

00:33:06.460 So for almost a month, right?

00:33:08.580 So I was very well aware that Russia is up to something.

00:33:12.680 And I was publishing that, right?

00:33:14.820 And so we've gone into this war on Ukraine, right?

00:33:17.860 And Russia is just, of course, obviously, Nord Stream is cut, right?

00:33:23.200 Will it be turned back on?

00:33:24.620 And now, as you probably are aware, we just had an explosion.

00:33:27.740 I wouldn't turn it on if I was Putin.

00:33:30.100 I wouldn't either.

00:33:31.320 And, you know, even Trump warned them about this years ago, love him or hate him.

00:33:35.840 He was very clear about it.

00:33:37.800 And we just had an explosion roughly a month ago at a Texas port, an LNG facility, which

00:33:43.880 is critical, right?

00:33:45.240 We were supplying liquid natural gas to Europe.

00:33:49.860 This would have helped.

00:33:50.620 You need this for the Haber-Bosch process to create many of the fertilizers, right?

00:33:56.340 That natural gas is very important.

00:33:58.040 Then we had an explosion, a pipeline explosion roughly two weeks ago in Texas.

00:34:04.520 And then we just had another natural gas problem at a plant in Oklahoma.

00:34:10.160 We've had three, Oklahoma, two in Texas, right?

00:34:13.280 Meanwhile, they're being shut off from Russia.

00:34:16.880 And we've got a potential war brewing here, for instance, between Iran and Israel.

00:34:23.140 Imagine where that could go on energy supplies.

00:34:25.820 We're looking at...

00:34:26.500 Okay, so let's look at that for a minute.

00:34:28.900 So I'm going to lay down a proposition here for all of you who are listening.

00:34:31.760 If you are a friend to the poor and the oppressed and the hungry, the number one thing you want

00:34:40.760 to do is drive energy prices as low as they possibly can be on every front that you possibly

00:34:47.940 can manage.

00:34:48.680 And that bloody well includes coal and petroleum and natural gas.

00:34:53.520 And then we could add nuclear to that.

00:34:55.400 And if you want to throw renewables in for the tiny percentage that they account for, you

00:34:59.020 could do that too.

00:34:59.740 But because energy is equivalent to work, and because work is equivalent to food and

00:35:05.200 shelter, if you make energy expensive, what you do is you starve the poor.

00:35:09.740 And you don't have to starve them very much before they become desperate and things fall

00:35:13.680 apart.

00:35:14.100 And then we fall into these positive feedback loops that Michael has been describing.

00:35:17.940 And so when you hear these bloody globalist utopians talk about the necessity for higher

00:35:22.620 energy costs, you remember that that comes directly at the cost of the world's poor.

00:35:27.180 Christia Freeland, the Deputy Prime Minister of Canada, two weeks ago had the unmitigated

00:35:32.920 and I would say quasi-demonic gall to announce publicly that $8 a gallon gasoline in Canada was

00:35:40.240 actually probably a good thing because Canadians should be reminded nonstop just how severe the

00:35:45.280 climate crisis is every time they fill up their cars.

00:35:47.660 And that's perfectly bloody fine unless you're living on the edge of your economic capability.

00:35:52.640 And the fact that you can't afford to fill up your car anymore puts you into unemployment and

00:35:57.300 food deprivation in relationship to your children.

00:36:00.040 And that's in the rich West.

00:36:01.980 And now in Europe, we're so goddamn stupid on our energy policy because of these idiot

00:36:06.400 environmental schemes that we've made ourselves pathologically reliant on the Russians.

00:36:11.020 And we're going to bloody well see what that costs us.

00:36:13.700 And I know the Germans are burning coal again because their switch, massively expensive and

00:36:18.860 counterproductive switch to so-called renewals has been another catastrophe.

00:36:23.300 And so now God only knows how expensive energy is going to become.

00:36:26.720 And that's directly related to the provision of the famines that Michael is talking about.

00:36:31.500 So get ready for this, folks, because it's coming down the pipes.

00:36:34.740 Jordan, Germans are collecting wood right now as much as they can get.

00:36:40.420 They realize this can be a very cold winter, right?

00:36:42.960 Yeah, this is going to be a very...

00:36:44.340 Well, that's what I thought.

00:36:45.260 The globalist utopian mantra, let the poor freeze in the dark.

00:36:50.020 That's how you save the planet.

00:36:51.560 Yeah, no kidding, man.

00:36:53.620 If anything can destroy the European Union, that'll be it.

00:36:57.800 If Germany collapses, it's over, right?

00:37:00.480 And, you know, many of us have been looking at Greece and Italy and Portugal and Spain.

00:37:04.720 for years, wondering which one would go first.

00:37:07.440 I thought it would probably be Greece, but we saw Italy.

00:37:10.020 Looks like they might be the first to fall off the tree, right?

00:37:13.060 And probably the other three, Italy, Portugal, Spain, you know, Greece or Italy already.

00:37:20.540 You know, Greece probably will be soon to follow.

00:37:22.880 These are the weak canaries in this coal mine.

00:37:24.980 I mean, it'll fall out of the European Union.

00:37:27.440 Oh, yeah.

00:37:27.800 And now, look, Putin has just cut the gas for the annual maintenance.

00:37:34.400 And, of course, we've got Zelensky over there saying that, you know, Canada should not send

00:37:39.420 back the turbine to Germany.

00:37:41.260 And, like, he's inserting himself basically into the life and death of hundreds of millions

00:37:45.240 of people.

00:37:46.180 Zelensky, the actor.

00:37:47.780 You know, I mean, this is really...

00:37:49.340 We've never seen something like...

00:37:51.120 I mean, if things continue...

00:37:53.760 It's all about conditions.

00:37:54.820 People often talk about sparks.

00:37:57.100 You know, what will be the sparks?

00:37:58.500 Yeah, yeah.

00:37:59.060 No kidding, man.

00:37:59.920 Sparks is an amateur question.

00:38:02.560 Professionals talk about conditions.

00:38:05.220 There's always sparks.

00:38:07.160 And the conditions that are being set now, whether it be the inputs of fertilizer, fungicides,

00:38:12.460 pesticides, all the other chemicals that go into agriculture, the energy, diesel, LNG, just

00:38:20.300 so many factors that are really going the wrong direction.

00:38:24.140 You know, famines in the past have generally been...

00:38:28.220 Recently, I found the 1910-1911 Britannica, and I looked up famine.

00:38:33.200 I was just seeing what they, you know, thought about famine back then.

00:38:37.000 And it was a very wisely written entry in the Britannica.

00:38:40.820 And they said they...

00:38:41.860 And the entry posited that, you know, large famines are probably a thing of the past because

00:38:47.960 now we have modern transportation.

00:38:49.860 Obviously, some of the largest famines were yet to come because the largest famines are

00:38:54.840 always caused not by locusts and drought.

00:38:57.240 They're caused by people taking advantage of these things, right?

00:39:00.640 Like the Holodomor in 1932-33 in Ukraine.

00:39:06.100 Very good book on that called Red Famine.

00:39:07.940 Where 6 million people were starved to death by the communists and where women were shot

00:39:13.860 if they went out into the fields that had already been harvested to glean individual kernels

00:39:19.580 of grain by hand to feed their children.

00:39:22.560 If they didn't turn over those individual kernels of grain, then they were summarily executed.

00:39:28.160 And that was fun in the communist Soviet Union.

00:39:30.620 Only 6 million Ukrainians.

00:39:32.240 And so, and you're exactly right on the famine front, as we like to think that the reason

00:39:37.040 that people starve is because we don't have enough food.

00:39:39.120 And at the moment, the reason that people starve is because we're stupid and often malevolent.

00:39:43.760 And so, okay, so Germany's in trouble.

00:39:46.320 And a huge part of this, as far as I'm concerned, is because of these unbelievably ill-advised

00:39:50.980 energy policies that were hypothetically put in place to aid the planet's movement

00:39:57.120 towards lower climate transformation.

00:39:59.940 And fair enough, you know, maybe we have some concern on that front.

00:40:03.860 But this absurd panicking combined with post-hoc central planning and this insane notion that

00:40:11.000 we can somehow make energy more expensive without producing cascading sequences of catastrophes

00:40:17.680 is naive beyond belief and malevolent, at least in part.

00:40:20.540 So now Germany's in trouble because they're hyper-reliant on the Russians.

00:40:23.680 And so, now, back to the Dutch farmers.

00:40:28.320 Now, the Dutch government put pressure on the farmers recently because a legislative body

00:40:35.420 that was EU-controlled, that's my understanding, decided in favor of an idiot environmental group

00:40:41.400 that, and the court compelled the government.

00:40:45.520 That's a non-legislative body, by the way.

00:40:47.360 The court compelled the government to act in relation to the farmers.

00:40:49.860 And apparently, the farmers have had enough of this.

00:40:52.900 And so, what's happening in Holland and elsewhere in Europe on the revolutionary front, let's

00:40:58.560 say, and what do you think their motives are, and what effect has this had in Holland?

00:41:04.480 Wow.

00:41:05.080 This is a big topic.

00:41:06.740 As you know, Dutch farmers are probably the finest and most efficient in the world, right?

00:41:12.640 And practically no Dutch people seem to know that, which is extraordinary, right?

00:41:16.800 And they don't realize how important their farmers are to the world as the second largest

00:41:23.360 food exporter in the world.

00:41:24.600 Yeah, well, it's a miracle, right?

00:41:26.380 Because how big is Holland?

00:41:28.280 It's like, it's a tiny country.

00:41:30.100 You can drive across it in like three hours.

00:41:32.500 Meanwhile, Mark Rutte, the prime minister, is the teacher's pet of Klaus Schwab.

00:41:37.280 I mean, he's even more favorited than Trudeau, right?

00:41:39.960 Which is pretty hard to do.

00:41:41.560 And so...

00:41:42.220 That's right.

00:41:42.820 That's a hard contest to win on the appalling front.

00:41:45.620 Yeah, and so, you know, the bureaucrats in Brussels, they are ruling by decree, right?

00:41:52.280 And of course, it has nothing to do with nitrogen.

00:41:54.620 Here, they're talking about nitrogen.

00:41:56.160 It has nothing to do with nitrogen.

00:41:57.840 It has nothing to do with ammonium.

00:41:59.160 It has to do with numerous things.

00:42:01.500 One is taking the land, just as happened with Stalin in Ukraine, you know, labeling the farmers

00:42:08.000 kulaks in Ukraine, you know, the Ukrainian farmers, and attacking and killing them.

00:42:13.140 Now, here in Netherlands, there's an information campaign to make the farmers look like bad

00:42:18.620 guys here as well.

00:42:19.980 I mean, these are the new kulaks, right?

00:42:21.800 Meanwhile, let me tell you something about farmers.

00:42:23.640 I have spent more than half of my life overseas, more than 80 countries, a lot of war.

00:42:28.840 I'm always going out with farmers, right?

00:42:30.920 And I've never met farmers from any country I can't get along with.

00:42:34.960 I mean, like, even Taliban farmers had common sense.

00:42:40.260 At one point, I'm in Afghanistan, out with one guy, he's growing opium.

00:42:44.720 He's growing poppy for opium.

00:42:46.480 And he said, you know, he's showing me the bugs on his plant.

00:42:49.780 He said, your helicopters drop these bugs on our plants at night to kill our plants.

00:42:54.560 I said, well, no, sir, we should be doing that because you're creating opium, but we don't.

00:42:59.700 We're not that smart.

00:43:00.560 And he goes, yes, you're not that smart.

00:43:03.020 And then he's like, let's go have tea.

00:43:04.360 And, but anyway, even at one point I'm out with the, because the two years I spent in Afghanistan,

00:43:10.260 one year was with various militaries like British and American militaries and Lithuanians and that sort of thing.

00:43:17.720 And another year was just alone, running around out with farmers and whatnot.

00:43:21.260 And at one point.

00:43:21.860 Yeah, well, the farmers, farmers are so much, they're like truckers in that regard.

00:43:25.560 They're so much in contact with the.

00:43:27.540 They have common sense.

00:43:29.260 Yeah, yeah, electricians and contractors and carpenters.

00:43:32.200 That's why Christ was a carpenter, by the way, because if you're not honest, you can't build a house that stands up, man.

00:43:37.240 And he wasn't a PhD sociologist.

00:43:39.680 He was a carpenter.

00:43:40.640 And those people who have to have their hands in the dirt and their feet on the ground, they have a sense about how the world works.

00:43:46.720 That's practical and embodied that the pinheaded academic globalists lack entirely and are also often incredibly jealous of.

00:43:53.500 And so in Canada, it was the farmers and the truckers who rose up, you know, the misogynists and the bigots and the racists in our prime minister's terms.

00:44:00.740 And then that's triggered these these co-occurring protests in the U.S. and in Holland.

00:44:07.520 And now it isn't easy to get farmers upset either, because those tractors that they bring to the protests, those things are bloody expensive.

00:44:14.300 And most of the farmers don't own them there.

00:44:16.460 They have to finance them.

00:44:17.540 And so they're running on very thin margins, three to five percent a year generally.

00:44:21.360 And you have to be one canny person to run a big farm in a modern economy.

00:44:25.960 You have to be paying attention to all sorts of unbelievably complicated and sophisticated things.

00:44:31.060 And so when the farmers have been pushed to the point where they're willing to take time away from their farms to spray manure on the government steps, it's probably time to listen.

00:44:39.280 So I agree with you on that front, 100 percent.

00:44:42.160 So, OK, so you're in Holland and you're talking to the farmers and what are they telling you?

00:44:46.040 Yeah, well, you basically are reading my mind, which is very difficult to do.

00:44:50.960 So when I was just in Mexico and I saw the Dutch farmers, I know a lot of people in Netherlands.

00:44:57.200 And so when I was getting inside, you know, that they were acting up, I was like, Dutch farmers are actually protesting?

00:45:02.440 No, yeah, right, right, right, man.

00:45:04.620 The last people you'd ever expect.

00:45:06.760 Yeah.

00:45:07.420 So that's why I jumped on the airplane, because, you know, if the Dutch farmers are acting up, I need to come over here and hear what they had to say.

00:45:14.300 That's for sure, man.

00:45:15.380 So let's talk about that.

00:45:17.660 First of all, clearly, the WEF, the WEF, they call it WEF here in Netherlands, the World Economic Forum, is trying to control food supply, right?

00:45:26.320 That is production and distribution, right?

00:45:28.860 And so one of the ways to do this is, as Stalin did and Mao did in China and Stalin did in Ukraine and Russia,

00:45:36.360 is to take the farms away from the traditional farmers and then put your farmers on that land, right?

00:45:44.000 To what end, Michael?

00:45:45.280 Like, I read about, you know, the notion that we need to, you know, turn to plant-based foods and insect-based protein in the future and that, you know,

00:45:55.060 meat production and all the cow methane are contributing to the degradation of the environment.

00:45:59.360 But, like, what, do you see this as a plan or just as a part of the globalist utopian ideologically blind stupidity?

00:46:09.380 Because, I mean, farmers do pollute.

00:46:12.940 There is runoff from fertilizer.

00:46:15.260 It does cause algal blooms, for example, in the water.

00:46:18.000 And these are problems.

00:46:19.840 I don't think they're insurmountable problems.

00:46:21.960 But you're pointing to something that's more malevolent and deeper and programmatic.

00:46:27.120 And, you know, we don't want to go there without questioning that presumption.

00:46:31.380 I always think if you can explain it with stupidity, you don't have to explain it with malevolence.

00:46:37.580 Well, as you know, that's a, be careful with that one because sometimes we do have to go to malevolence.

00:46:42.600 I know, I know we do, yeah.

00:46:44.100 And I watch your show enough to know you know exactly why this is happening.

00:46:48.160 And let's talk about this.

00:46:49.460 If the Dutch farmers, let's take this as a premise, are the most efficient in the world,

00:46:53.440 let's just say they're the second most efficient,

00:46:55.780 why would you knock them out of the saddle to get somebody else to produce the food?

00:46:59.740 Where? Indian farmers?

00:47:01.660 I mean, who's going to produce this food in a much less efficient way that would create even more pollution?

00:47:07.360 This is clearly about control.

00:47:08.800 Also, there's something that you never hear in any press that I've heard in the United States is the tri-state city.

00:47:18.260 Tri-state city is this smart city that they're proposing to build between the tri-states are Belgium, Netherlands, and Germany.

00:47:25.500 So this mega city, basically, that would take up all this farmland in that area and which would bring huge amounts of more people into this area, right?

00:47:35.400 So the tri-state city is something you don't hear much about, but that's another part of this plan.

00:47:40.360 There was a fire about maybe 10 days ago.

00:47:42.940 I went to it right after the next morning, and it's at a picnic distribution center, which is, there was an investment, $600 million into this picnic food distribution center from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, coincidentally, and it burned down, right?

00:48:00.180 And so, you know, that brought a little, you know, raised some eyebrows.

00:48:04.740 Why did that thing just burn down?

00:48:06.380 There's many of them.

00:48:07.560 There's others in Netherlands that are growing.

00:48:09.960 But the bottom line is, is the Bill and Melinda, or Bill Gates, is buying up farmland, as you know, all over the place.

00:48:15.760 I know.

00:48:16.600 He is the biggest private landowner in the United States right now, and the land that he's buying up, he's taking out of food production.

00:48:23.240 And it seems to be, because he's obsessed about meat production, at least in part, doesn't believe that that's part of a sustainable future.

00:48:32.340 And so, but I do share your skepticism.

00:48:35.880 It's the same thing happens on the bloody energy front.

00:48:38.180 It's like, well, Australia won't build coal-generating electrical plants, but they'll ship their bloody coal to China, where they're going to build much dirtier plants.

00:48:45.540 And the same thing applies to Canada.

00:48:47.860 If we shut down our energy industry, which our bloody, insane, narcissistic, delusional, traitorous prime minister thinks, happens to think is a good idea and seems to be working as hard as he can to manage,

00:48:59.720 all that's going to happen is that we're going to cede the ground to people like Putin,

00:49:04.260 who we also turned into a radical enemy with his hands on the control pump for Europe.

00:49:09.120 I mean, I don't see how we could be stupider here in the West if we actually took courses in stupidity and tried as hard as we could.

00:49:16.760 We seem to be doing everything we can to break everything as rapidly as possible.

00:49:20.980 And then I wonder too, you know, is it, has it got to the point where the people who think,

00:49:26.200 you know, that you can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs,

00:49:30.220 and there's too many people on the planet think that this is some sort of,

00:49:33.220 like needles, eye, that we have to go through all this mass starvation and death so that we end up with a sustainable population.

00:49:42.320 I mean, Jesus Christ, that's a dim and grim scenario.

00:49:46.200 But as you said, why would you take the Dutch farmers out of business when they're so unbelievably hyperproductive and efficient?

00:49:55.000 It's just, it's not like there's too much food, especially not if we don't have farmers.

00:50:01.380 If anything, I would be trying to get a large agricultural institute here in Netherlands to teach other farmers

00:50:08.100 how to be as efficient as Dutch farmers are, replicate these farmers.

00:50:13.340 In Afghanistan, actually, many of the farmers coming over, I was out in the farms quite a lot,

00:50:17.980 were actually Dutch farmers to teach Afghans how to do things better.

00:50:22.360 But the bottom line is, as you can see, there is a huge, I watch you all the time, you know what's happening.

00:50:27.960 There's a huge authoritarian, the desire to have a one world order is clearly strong.

00:50:35.900 And this isn't the first time it's happened.

00:50:37.720 As you know, it's a constant in human behavior.

00:50:40.680 And also, as somebody who studies the human psyche a lot, as you do,

00:50:46.180 you realize pulling these farmers off of their traditional farms unroots them.

00:50:51.760 It cuts their anchor, their boat anchor.

00:50:53.700 They're going to be drifting, you know, culturally, so that makes them much easier to—you can't control farmers.

00:51:00.380 Well, that's why Stalin wanted to get rid of the farmers.

00:51:02.760 You know, Stalin had to get rid of those farmers because farmers have a mind of their own.

00:51:07.080 Same with Mao.

00:51:07.980 You got to get rid of those farmers because they think for themselves.

00:51:11.400 And likewise here, these Dutch farmers think for themselves.

00:51:15.520 And so they're the bad guys.

00:51:16.880 To me, they're the great guys.

00:51:18.140 Yeah, me too, man.

00:51:19.840 That's our backbone.

00:51:21.540 They are our backbone.

00:51:22.680 That's why I flew to Netherlands from Mexico.

00:51:25.260 I mean, that's how important this is.

00:51:27.180 Okay, so what have you discovered on the ground there?

00:51:30.240 You've been talking to farmers.

00:51:31.480 Tell us, first of all, tell us about how the protests were organized, what their scope is,

00:51:35.940 and what the farmers—why the farmers are doing this and what they hope to accomplish.

00:51:39.840 Well, the farmers—actually, the farmers in Netherlands are amazingly cognizant of what's happening.

00:51:46.580 Many people that I talk with around the world don't realize, you know, these other things like the WEF and the WEF and these sorts of things.

00:51:54.540 But the Dutch farmers are talking about it in detail.

00:51:57.420 They're like, ah, the nitrogen is nonsense, you know.

00:51:59.640 And it's all about Klaus Schwab and Bill Gates is trying to do this, and they'll go into great detail.

00:52:04.520 They know exactly what's happening.

00:52:05.820 They're trying to take our land because of this, this, and that, and the other.

00:52:08.680 And, you know, they know it.

00:52:10.420 They're not just like—in Panama, it's another story.

00:52:12.580 Panama is just like, give us cheap gas, give us cheap cheese, you know, cheap this and cheap that, and we'll go home, right?

00:52:18.900 They're easily satisfied.

00:52:20.380 Not the Dutch farmers.

00:52:21.380 They're more sophisticated.

00:52:22.820 These are serious players here.

00:52:24.540 And, again, that's why I jumped on an airplane.

00:52:26.440 If people like this are blocking streets around Netherlands, and we got the German farmers joining up with them and saw it,

00:52:32.380 they're blocking the border together.

00:52:34.060 German and Dutch farmers, right?

00:52:36.020 Polish farmers.

00:52:37.020 You know, I love Poland.

00:52:37.920 I spent two years there.

00:52:38.920 Polish farmers are making videos in support of Dutch farmers.

00:52:45.000 That's how much it—look, that started in Canada, jumped over to the United States.

00:52:50.300 It's over here now.

00:52:51.460 I mean, it's really growing.

00:52:52.660 This courage is spreading.

00:52:54.660 And so—and you see Italian farmers, Spanish farmers, people are rising up.

00:52:59.960 And the more they realize what's actually happening, because, you know, the man behind the curtain is the WEF, the World Economic Forum.

00:53:08.840 Of course, we're going to have to deal with China.

00:53:10.540 But at this rate, look, if Germany falls from these energy issues, which is looking pretty likely at this point,

00:53:16.280 China is going to peel off the rock too, right?

00:53:18.380 As are we, economically, right?

00:53:20.600 So—

00:53:20.880 Oh, for sure.

00:53:21.840 Yeah, we cannot sustain—

00:53:23.000 We cannot sustain the collapse of Germany.

00:53:25.900 That's absolutely 100% obvious.

00:53:28.200 That would be an utter bloody catastrophe.

00:53:30.500 If Germany collapses, EU is gone, right?

00:53:33.140 For a while, right?

00:53:34.340 And, I mean, the EU will probably dissolve.

00:53:37.580 That's my guess.

00:53:38.320 I don't know.

00:53:38.780 We'll see when time unfolds.

00:53:40.160 But obviously, that'll take our economies with it and China, right?

00:53:43.800 And Japan.

00:53:44.780 And, of course, Japan imports, what, 60%, 70%?

00:53:47.440 All these island nations and island states, like Hawaii, that import—Hawaii, 90% of their food imported, right?

00:53:54.120 Yeah, yeah.

00:53:54.860 They are going to be in for a world of hurt.

00:53:57.620 Japan imports most of its food.

00:53:59.940 And, you know, some of these countries that I have to—you know, and I kind of, I should say,

00:54:07.140 maybe insulted the French for a while years ago in saying,

00:54:10.800 why are they defending all these small farmers all the time?

00:54:14.880 Now I see the French wisdom, you know?

00:54:17.380 These small farmers, yeah, that resilience.

00:54:20.580 And these small—you know, when you go to France and you go to—I'm sure you've been to France.

00:54:24.640 Yeah, yeah.

00:54:25.760 And there, small farmers everywhere provide a great deal of resilience, right?

00:54:31.400 And that's why in the Netherlands, if they lose—these farmers are vital for that.

00:54:37.900 They're as important as their army.

00:54:39.460 I mean, you know, without these farmers, you're somebody else's—you're in somebody else's pocket.

00:54:45.300 Bill Gates, the World Economic Forum.

00:54:47.380 Yeah, well, and also, if you lose—if you lose the farmers for one generation, you learn—you lose all that knowledge.

00:54:53.540 You know, and I saw the government said, well, some of these farmers are just going to have to move.

00:54:58.640 It's like, what are they going to do?

00:55:00.180 They're going to move their farm.

00:55:01.840 How are you going to do that?

00:55:03.240 You can't move a farm.

00:55:04.740 And it's not like these things are just, what, transferable, fungible in this simplistic manner.

00:55:11.480 And so, yeah, this is—this is—it's such a form of insanity.

00:55:15.100 And it's all justified by the fact that these half-wit globalists are claiming constantly to be moral because they're saving the planet.

00:55:22.180 And, you know, I know this literature.

00:55:24.260 I know the planet-saving literature, let's say, because I studied it for about four years.

00:55:29.720 And in some depth, and I think I found the world's thinkers who thought this through properly, and that would be Matt Ridley and Bjorn Lomberg and Marion Tupi, most particularly.

00:55:40.660 And all three of them—and I would put Bjorn Lomberg at the top of that list—those thinkers knew something fundamental and something so bloody optimistic that I couldn't believe it was true when I first encountered it,

00:55:52.340 which was that if we really want to reach a kind of sustainable harmony with the planet, the best way to do that, absolutely obviously, is to distribute autonomous free market systems as widely as possible,

00:56:05.400 and then to get people everywhere in the world as rich as we can, as fast as we can, because the biggest contributor to environmental degradation isn't industrial—it isn't industrial development.

00:56:17.120 It isn't the efficiency of the Dutch farmers.

00:56:19.480 It's absolute bloody poverty and privation and the probability that people at the bottom of the economic distribution are going to fall into these catastrophic positive feedback loops that you described and devastate and lay waste to everything.

00:56:33.320 As soon as you make people rich, the data on this are crystal clear.

00:56:36.960 As soon as you get people up to about $5,000 a year in gross domestic product, they start caring about the environment locally and autonomously.

00:56:45.640 And so, you know, we're in a situation right now where if our leaders weren't so concerned with scoring cheap reputation points and being hyper-moral in their ignorance and pretentious in their global ambitions,

00:56:58.340 we could be working towards a world where everybody had enough food and were simultaneously inspired on their own account to engage in the kind of environmental stewardship that would leave a good planet for their children and their grandchildren.

00:57:13.360 We could have our cake and eat it too, you know?

00:57:16.300 And yet what we're doing is we're breaking the supply chains and dooming the poor and fostering what's going to be a mass migration into Europe.

00:57:23.860 And that's just going to be a bloody catastrophe.

00:57:26.400 And I hate to see this and I hope I'm wrong and I'm just being paranoid, but I don't think so.

00:57:34.580 I don't think you're being paranoid.

00:57:36.620 You know, again, I spend most of my time downrange.

00:57:40.400 You know, I spend a lot of time in places like China, India, just good Lord.

00:57:44.400 I mean, you know, when you land in China, sometimes I wonder if my airplane's going to make it through the smog or we're going to get stuck like amber in the smog.

00:57:51.660 You know, I mean, it's so thick, sometimes you can't see the ground.

00:57:54.380 It's unbelievable.

00:57:55.640 And likewise with India, right?

00:57:58.100 I spent almost a year in India and another year in Nepal, right?

00:58:01.960 It's just in Thailand where I have an office, sometimes you have to have air filters in every room.

00:58:07.980 And because, you know, because all of Asia is not all of Asia, but most of Asia is burning their farmland every year.

00:58:14.560 You can see it in satellite photos.

00:58:16.100 Look it up.

00:58:16.620 I mean, it's unbelievable.

00:58:17.420 So, I mean, this pollution that comes from poverty is quite intense.

00:58:22.000 Not that China is poor and rich and India obviously is increasingly wealthy, but they have huge amounts of impoverished people and their factories still actually are behaving as if they're poor.

00:58:36.760 They're dumping smog out, you know, unfiltered.

00:58:39.340 It's unbelievable.

00:58:40.300 And anyway, we could go on about that forever.

00:58:44.420 But the bottom line is the farmers are clearly under attack here in Netherlands.

00:58:49.420 The German farmers also are very efficient.

00:58:52.400 Again, I live four years in Germany and their farmers are also under attack.

00:59:00.860 And so all across Europe.

00:59:02.620 How many people are engaging in these protests right now?

00:59:06.920 And are they raging as intensely now as they were a week or two weeks ago?

00:59:11.640 My sense is that they're actually growing.

00:59:14.500 They're not, say, going like Panama was in Santiago last night in Panama, very violent and burning things and stealing police cars.

00:59:22.840 They're not doing that here.

00:59:24.060 But you can see it's a more intellectual at this point.

00:59:27.700 It's not gotten intensely emotional at this point yet, although I anticipate when, if the energy doesn't get turned back on and through the Nord Stream, things are going to get emotional, right?

00:59:41.420 All across Europe, including here.

00:59:43.780 Now, most of the Dutch that I talk with, I was talking with a member of parliament the other day.

00:59:49.200 He was completely oblivious to the famines, right?

00:59:52.940 Jesus Christ.

00:59:55.460 Totally missing it, right?

00:59:57.020 And so this is kind of of concern.

00:59:59.540 And most of the Dutch people I speak with actually don't seem to see that.

01:00:04.160 But these stores are nicely stocked in Netherlands.

01:00:09.520 It's a place of honey.

01:00:10.740 It's milk and honey here, you know?

01:00:12.360 And so, as you know, you're a student of history.

01:00:15.960 Often, before the storm, everything's quite nice and the wine is flowing.

01:00:21.480 And that's the way it is right now.

01:00:23.940 Yeah.

01:00:24.800 And so I've read Western reports that it's about 40,000 Dutch farmers.

01:00:31.320 And so I don't know what percentage of the farmers that is.

01:00:34.600 And I don't know if those numbers are anything approximating accurate.

01:00:38.280 And I don't know if you also are aware, no doubt you are, of what's happening in Spain, where I understand there's been about 100,000 people protesting.

01:00:46.860 And so what's the scale of this in Holland?

01:00:50.120 And it's growing into the fishermen are also coming out in support of the truckers, as far as I've been able to tell.

01:00:55.980 And if you want a job that's even more difficult than being a farmer, maybe being a fisherman would be the more difficult job.

01:01:03.060 And so what sort of scale are these protests manifesting at the moment in Europe?

01:01:10.340 And how many countries do you think are involved?

01:01:12.120 You said Poland, Germany, Spain, the Netherlands.

01:01:17.120 Scale and spread.

01:01:19.580 Italy.

01:01:20.020 Italy as well.

01:01:20.600 I'm kind of reticent to make that guess yet.

01:01:24.900 And I've actually published about this many times over the years, whether I was in the fighting in Thailand or the fighting in Hong Kong, which I've spent many years in these sorts of things.

01:01:35.760 And I'm often reticent to assign numbers.

01:01:39.580 Now, the media might say 40,000 or whatnot.

01:01:42.340 I know it's a lot.

01:01:43.580 Let's put it that way.

01:01:44.460 And I do sense that it's growing.

01:01:46.860 It's not gripped the nation yet.

01:01:48.920 It's not reached that level at all.

01:01:51.140 You see that the Dutch flag is often being flown inverted now.

01:01:55.400 Instead of red, white, and blue, it's blue, white, and red.

01:01:57.980 And now the Dutch government, about within the last week or so, said that they're going to start taking those off of the overpasses because they present some sort of danger.

01:02:07.900 Oh, yeah.

01:02:08.520 There you go.

01:02:08.960 Yeah, yeah.

01:02:09.300 The danger is people will take a photo and put it on their social media, right?

01:02:13.880 And then it'll spread.

01:02:14.720 And one town, I think two days ago, said that they're not going to do it.

01:02:19.560 They're just going to let them fly, right?

01:02:20.960 So, I mean, so the symbols are growing.

01:02:23.680 I'll meet with more of the Dutch.

01:02:25.440 Well, we want to focus on something here, too, for the enlightenment of the listeners and viewers.

01:02:30.660 So, I don't know if there's a more intelligently and compassionately and justly civilized country in the world than the Netherlands.

01:02:39.840 So, let's think about that country.

01:02:42.200 I mean, first of all, it shouldn't even exist.

01:02:44.840 The Dutch had to literally drain the oceans and build walls just to make the country exist.

01:02:51.100 And believe me, man, you bloody well better be organized in order to do that.

01:02:55.620 And they did that hundreds of years ago and put together this unbelievable system of irrigation and drainage that ran on those amazing windmills, which are technological marvels.

01:03:05.700 And Dutch society is unbelievably civil and peaceful and productive and interesting and culturally vibrant.

01:03:13.140 It's a great country.

01:03:14.420 It's a stellar miracle, as Ayaan Hirsi Ali pointed out when she moved there from Somalia.

01:03:23.300 And so we don't want to underestimate the central significance of Holland and then, obviously, of the Netherlands.

01:03:31.500 Obviously, that country is predicated to some degree for its success on the provision of stable food supplies and these unbelievably efficient farmers.

01:03:39.240 And so the fact that they are up in arms about all this is of signal, symbolic and practical importance, which is why I think it's so necessary to focus on their concerns and also so appalling that this isn't headline news in every legacy media outlet across the West.

01:03:57.440 Because when the Dutch farmers are upset and moving en masse the way they are, something has gone seriously wrong.

01:04:04.960 This is a canary in the coal mine situation.

01:04:06.940 It really is.

01:04:09.860 And, you know, as you mentioned, the sophistication of these people in general.

01:04:15.220 I mean, basically, the Netherlands, the sophistication of building this country out of nothing.

01:04:20.480 I mean, it's basically flat pyramids.

01:04:22.320 I call this, just think of the pyramids flat.

01:04:24.760 I mean, this is a very difficult country to build.

01:04:27.280 And yet they did it back without modern machines.

01:04:30.620 They did it just in their brains and their brawn, and they did it in persistence and organization.

01:04:37.340 These are extraordinary.

01:04:38.460 They're not normal.

01:04:39.960 They're like Japanese, right?

01:04:41.580 They're like people, but more so, right?

01:04:44.180 Yeah, right.

01:04:44.800 Well, they're even taller, right?

01:04:46.220 They're like, I think the Dutch are the tallest people in the world.

01:04:49.140 And so I always feel like a shrimp when I go there.

01:04:51.260 And metaphysically as well, because it is such a remarkable country.

01:04:54.540 They are tall.

01:04:56.540 I mean, they're bouncing their head off the moon, it seems like.

01:04:59.620 But, I mean, extraordinary people.

01:05:03.460 And thus came these extraordinary farmers, right?

01:05:07.100 And thus, they are an important target to take out for people like WEP.

01:05:13.820 When you're talking about information more, and when you're talking also the food supplies.

01:05:18.420 I mean, this is just like every company, every, you know, invading army or whatever always has a budget, right?

01:05:27.960 There's only so much energy you have.

01:05:29.680 And it's the same with WEF, the WEF.

01:05:32.060 And so you need to concentrate your efforts to get things going in places like Russia and Ukraine.

01:05:37.060 And to get things going in Panama if they're behind that.

01:05:40.780 And also Netherlands.

01:05:42.240 So, you know, pick your targets.

01:05:43.680 You know, you're going to pick vital critical nodes.

01:05:46.620 And Netherlands is a critical node.

01:05:48.800 There's a lot of bang for the buck here by taking these farmers offline.

01:05:52.260 And culturally as well.

01:05:54.720 Because, you know, once Netherlands is unmoored, remember, this is meant to be the hub of Tri-State City.

01:06:03.180 Don't forget Tri-State City.

01:06:05.260 And what is that Tri-State City?

01:06:08.020 What's the idea there?

01:06:10.160 Tri-State City is meant to be a mega smart city.

01:06:13.080 Between the Tri-States would be Germany, Belgium, and Netherlands where those borders come together.

01:06:19.360 This mega city that many Dutch have actually not heard of.

01:06:23.160 And they will take this farmer's land and make this mega city there and bring people from all over the world.

01:06:30.900 And this is one of their new utopies.

01:06:32.720 To what end?

01:06:33.520 To what end?

01:06:34.600 To what end?

01:06:35.180 What's the rationale for that?

01:06:37.120 I can't read the mind.

01:06:37.960 Okay, so what are the farmers hoping to accomplish?

01:06:43.500 Like in Canada, part of the reason that the truckers' convoy ended, I would say.

01:06:48.660 And I would say it ended pretty successfully in many, many ways.

01:06:52.200 First of all, they had the sense to end it before it degenerated into anything even vaguely approximating violence.

01:06:58.300 Which was extremely wise and conservative on their part.

01:07:02.160 And careful and compassionate.

01:07:04.240 The opposite of all the things they were being accused of.

01:07:06.940 But part of the problem with the truckers' protest, it wasn't exactly obvious what the end goal was, you know.

01:07:13.560 And so they were accused of fomenting rebellion and of wanting to produce a January 6th insurrection.

01:07:18.800 Which was basically what the bloody Trudeau liberals accused them of and tried to convince Canadians of.

01:07:24.120 And which the Americans, even Democrats, think is an utterly preposterous notion.

01:07:28.380 And which was factually untrue to the nth degree.

01:07:31.480 But they didn't exactly know what they wanted.

01:07:33.300 They wanted the damn government to leave them alone fundamentally and stop mucking about with the energy economy.

01:07:39.060 And stop intervening in their life that made having a livelihood impossible.

01:07:44.300 But it wasn't more concrete than that.

01:07:47.020 You know, end of vaccine mandates.

01:07:48.640 That was part of it.

01:07:49.260 And the mask mandates.

01:07:50.280 But what is it that the Dutch truckers want?

01:07:54.420 Apart from not being, like, eviscerated and chased off their land.

01:07:58.560 Well, you know, I would say that the Canadian truckers' protest didn't end.

01:08:05.380 It took on a life of its own.

01:08:06.880 It spread.

01:08:07.620 I mean, it's metastical.

01:08:08.400 Yeah, fair enough, man.

01:08:09.780 Spread in America and here now, right?

01:08:11.800 And so, yeah.

01:08:13.220 And what do the Dutch farmers want?

01:08:14.820 Mostly they want to be left alone.

01:08:16.000 They want to be farmers.

01:08:17.340 You know, I was out of the cherry farm.

01:08:19.420 They want to go back to work.

01:08:21.320 They're farmers.

01:08:22.120 I mean, they're busy.

01:08:22.980 I mean, they're business people.

01:08:24.780 They're all those things at once.

01:08:26.440 They just want to be left alone.

01:08:27.520 They want to be farmers.

01:08:28.840 They have their own culture.

01:08:30.520 And they just want to do what farmers do, which is farm, right?

01:08:33.480 And make money and graze their families and live life, right?

01:08:37.920 And feed other people, which is really nice of them, all things considered.

01:08:42.220 Right.

01:08:42.720 And I think everybody watching this probably has somebody in their family who's a farmer,

01:08:46.920 right?

01:08:47.200 I mean, you know, it's just, I mean, pretty much all of us are in some way tied to farmers,

01:08:52.880 if not directly, very close indirectly.

01:08:55.780 And the farmers, again, we can't understate this.

01:09:00.180 The farmers are a backbone of this culture.

01:09:02.860 And when it comes to information wars, whether that be Mao unmooring Chinese or the Russians

01:09:08.740 doing this, you know, creating the Soviet Union, you want to cut people from their boat anchors,

01:09:14.100 cut them from their cultural anchors.

01:09:15.780 And then you can, then they're very easy targets for many things.

01:09:19.980 For instance, for instance, genocide, for one.

01:09:24.240 And another is menticide, right?

01:09:27.760 Rape of the Mind, which is a great book, which was written in Netherlands, right?

01:09:31.640 Rape of the Mind, 1956.

01:09:32.920 One of the best books on brainwashing I've ever read, written right here, you know, because

01:09:39.580 this has happened many times in the past.

01:09:41.840 It's going to continue to happen in the future.

01:09:44.440 And one of the most important vaccines that we can take is to study cult making and menticides

01:09:51.700 and how these techniques are used against people.

01:09:55.520 I've studied these things for years because when I was in special forces, people talked about

01:10:00.200 if you want to fight communism, you have to study cults because communism is a cult, right?

01:10:06.140 It's got cult-like components that are very important.

01:10:09.700 You know, so I studied cults for years.

01:10:11.960 I infiltrated a cult at one point.

01:10:13.840 Actually, it was a cannibal cult that I tracked down, oddly enough, and infiltrated them.

01:10:18.260 That's an interesting topic.

01:10:19.980 Oh, my God, yes.

01:10:21.000 It was epic.

01:10:22.360 But I mean, but the point is, is cults are cults.

01:10:24.980 And the only cults people won't see is the cult that they're in, right?

01:10:28.780 People will never see, and that would include me.

01:10:30.880 If I'm in a cult, I'm probably not going to see it, right?

01:10:33.620 But everybody else can see it.

01:10:35.120 Hey, that guy's in a cult, right?

01:10:37.020 And so, you know, the cult making of WEF, the WEF, we can see clearly they've got this

01:10:42.760 climate cult, right?

01:10:44.380 You know, everybody's like, oh, we've got to do this.

01:10:46.780 And, you know, we're willing to kill people in mass to do it.

01:10:49.920 Even though we have no idea about this mathematics.

01:10:52.340 Well, okay, so let's talk about that again.

01:10:55.740 You know, the reason I like Bjorn Lomborg, because there are some concerns on the environmental

01:11:00.920 front, like there always are.

01:11:02.400 We've overfished the oceans to a terrible degree.

01:11:04.620 And it would be better if we polluted as the least possible.

01:11:08.160 And there is some evidence that human contributions to global warming are a genuine thing.

01:11:13.400 But I looked at the data as broadly as I possibly could on that front.

01:11:17.200 And I concluded that Lomborg's group in Copenhagen had the most intelligent approach to assessing

01:11:23.620 the problem and offering solutions.

01:11:25.120 And basically what Lomborg did was take the IPCC climate report and accept its prognostications

01:11:31.640 on the global warming front as accurate.

01:11:34.560 Now, that doesn't necessarily mean he believes that or that they are accurate, but he was

01:11:38.320 willing to start there.

01:11:39.980 And then he calculated with teams of economists, and I don't know how else, how the hell else

01:11:44.860 you do it, what the detrimental consequences for global GDP would be as a consequence of

01:11:52.620 the proposed climate change.

01:11:54.600 And then he projected out what our wealth increase would be by the end of 2100 at 3% or 4% a year

01:12:03.320 growth, which is about what we've averaged for the last 30 or 40 years.

01:12:06.920 And he calculated how less rich we would be as a consequence.

01:12:10.880 So we'll be much richer than we are now, barring all the catastrophes that are man-made that

01:12:16.260 we've been discussing, but we'll be slightly less rich than we would have been if there

01:12:20.320 wouldn't be climate change.

01:12:21.480 And then Lomborg lays out a number of things that we can do to ameliorate the consequences

01:12:26.060 of climate change.

01:12:26.960 But he goes farther than that.

01:12:28.540 He said, look, climate change is not actually the only problem that we face.

01:12:33.040 There's a whole plethora of global problems, which is part of the reason there's like 200

01:12:36.960 UN sustainable development goals.

01:12:39.780 And it isn't obvious that we should be dumping trillions of dollars into climate change amelioration

01:12:44.480 when we have other problems to solve as well.

01:12:46.580 So he had 10 teams of economists rank order the world's problems as outlined in no small

01:12:53.340 part by the UN and say, look, if we were going to donate resources, if we're going to devote

01:12:58.040 resources to the amelioration of these serious problems, what are the most serious problems?

01:13:03.140 And where can we get the most bang for our buck?

01:13:05.600 And then he averaged across economists approximations of what the cost benefit would be in addressing

01:13:12.740 these issues.

01:13:13.560 And what he found was that most of the issues having to do with climate change amelioration

01:13:18.360 don't even meet the top 20.

01:13:20.820 They're not even included in the top 20 for the things that we should be concentrating on

01:13:24.360 most.

01:13:24.780 And I read Lomberg's work and I thought, well, I've never seen anyone do a more careful analysis

01:13:30.740 of the entire situation than this.

01:13:33.140 Does anybody have a counter argument?

01:13:35.200 And the counter argument seems to be if you're not a true believer in the apocalyptic climate

01:13:40.380 nightmare, and if you don't think that no measures, no matter how dramatic, are not even

01:13:46.020 sufficient, then you're basically an agent of Satan.

01:13:49.280 And I just don't regard that as a careful and nuanced argument.

01:13:53.800 I think it's appalling and it's a reflection of the ignorance and Luciferian pretensions

01:13:58.740 of the globalist utopians and their absolute inability of themselves to become educated on

01:14:05.280 this front.

01:14:07.160 And so, well, sorry for the rant, but Jesus, you know, this is serious business.

01:14:12.940 I'm getting into it.

01:14:13.680 Keep going.

01:14:14.100 Well, now they're trying to shut down the bloody farmers.

01:14:17.860 It's like, what the hell's going on here?

01:14:20.060 We actually need food, especially poor, poor starving people.

01:14:23.580 Remember them?

01:14:24.680 Socialists?

01:14:25.200 Aren't those the people that you're supposed to be on the side of?

01:14:28.120 Well, all you're doing with your idiot utopian globalism and your environmental apocalypse

01:14:32.080 and your willingness to identify yourself as part of the moral elite because you care

01:14:37.320 about the planet is dooming, well, Michael thinks, a billion people to starvation.

01:14:43.120 It's like, what the hell?

01:14:45.900 How is that moral?

01:14:47.800 Well, you know, the climate problem is so serious that if we have to starve a few people

01:14:51.520 to solve it, it's like, fair enough, man.

01:14:53.640 Let's say you're right.

01:14:54.640 Well, you're not because as soon as you make people poor, you make the environment worse.

01:14:59.580 Period.

01:15:00.340 The end.

01:15:00.920 Not just a little bit worse.

01:15:02.500 Way worse.

01:15:03.880 Radically worse.

01:15:04.640 Just wait till you see what happens to Sri Lanka on the sustainable biological front.

01:15:10.820 So, okay, back to the Dutch farmers.

01:15:14.820 So, what's going to happen in Holland and what's going to happen in Europe?

01:15:17.820 You said it's dependent on whether the bloody Russians keep the taps off.

01:15:22.360 What's going to happen?

01:15:23.300 I think about that approximately once an hour because what's going to happen?

01:15:29.200 This is, you know, the system is emerging.

01:15:31.880 The energy is, the LNG is now cut off.

01:15:34.060 So, a lot of these things that are important right now might seem unimportant just one month

01:15:39.100 from now if that energy is not turned back on again because this is going to cause an

01:15:44.220 immediate cascade, right?

01:15:46.200 And this summer will be over.

01:15:48.000 Yesterday, you know, it was so hot here.

01:15:51.500 Some places closed.

01:15:53.000 It was only like 99 degrees.

01:15:54.680 Of course, I just came in from Mexico, so I'm good to go.

01:15:56.900 I sweat, but I'm from Florida, right?

01:15:59.280 So, I mean, and so they actually were closing some places here because it was too hot and

01:16:05.040 some public transportation.

01:16:07.060 It made me think, you know, this is actually kind of a minor challenge.

01:16:10.800 This winter is going to be cold.

01:16:12.960 This is a very serious deal.

01:16:15.040 As you know, energy is a kill shot for food, right?

01:16:19.780 I mean, if there's not enough energy, they're not going to be able to create the fertilizer

01:16:23.260 and transport the fertilizers that are neat.

01:16:25.280 We already saw a large fertilizer plant close down in Norway and others as well.

01:16:29.660 That's just one of others.

01:16:31.640 Well, and Ukraine and Russia are major sources of fertilizer production.

01:16:35.760 Yes.

01:16:36.520 And China has just stopped their exports as well and many others.

01:16:41.200 This is a cascade.

01:16:43.260 And we're already, it's almost like a Kessler-Sendem cascade here, right?

01:16:46.900 I mean, it's just, and at this point, I think there's too much inertia to stop it at this

01:16:53.360 point.

01:16:53.600 Uh, there was, I think we could have headed it off even a year ago, uh, if we suddenly

01:16:59.180 had serious leadership, uh, across and, and we directly addressed WEF, if we had a president

01:17:06.240 and a government.

01:17:06.980 No, what we have, what we have is leadership who meet and then laugh about Putin's shirtless

01:17:11.760 photos.

01:17:12.340 That's what we have instead of serious leadership.

01:17:14.660 Yeah, we have, we have a pack of.

01:17:16.640 Many issues, uh, the, the inertia is too heavy at this point.

01:17:19.760 We're going to, we're going to see, uh, a lot of starvation and a lot of hop, human

01:17:24.680 osmotic pressure, the migration.

01:17:26.080 Uh, and of course this leads to pandemic.

01:17:29.660 We'll have real pandemics because again, when you have many people starving there, uh, first

01:17:34.360 of all, they start migrating and eating things they don't normally eat and their immune systems

01:17:38.920 are depressed.

01:17:39.980 Anyway, bottom line is every time you get big famines, you get big pandemics, which will

01:17:44.980 create more war.

01:17:46.120 We get that positive feedback loop.

01:17:47.760 Well, good.

01:17:48.340 Then we can lock everybody, then we can lock everybody down again, eh?

01:17:51.860 That'd be real fun.

01:17:53.160 We can lock everybody down again, like they did in Shanghai, and then we can disrupt the

01:17:57.400 supply chains any, ever, even more.

01:17:59.340 And then we can starve a bunch more people.

01:18:00.980 And maybe we will settle out with 600 million people and have a sustainable planet, you know,

01:18:06.560 with all those 600 million people living in the ashes and the skeletons and with barren,

01:18:11.580 barrenness and apocalyptic nightmare everywhere around them.

01:18:14.760 That'll be a hell of an outcome.

01:18:16.000 Well, it's interesting because, you know, some people say, hey, that's apocalyptic and

01:18:21.200 doom and gloom.

01:18:22.060 And I say, oh, if you've looked at my work over the many years, you'll see I'm actually

01:18:26.720 very measured.

01:18:27.380 I wouldn't say something like this because I, I, I know that my, many people depend on

01:18:32.920 me to get things right.

01:18:33.860 So I research seven days a week, travel the world, talking with the right people, reading

01:18:38.340 so many books you wouldn't believe.

01:18:39.980 And, and I try to figure out what's going on, which is difficult.

01:18:44.060 Uh, and, uh, but I do have a good track record and I can see how the conditions are setting.

01:18:49.980 It's not about sparks.

01:18:51.320 We see Panama, for instance, going in the wrong direction at this point.

01:18:54.220 Uh, and that's obviously vital Panama Canal.

01:18:57.300 Uh, we see, uh, you know, uh, issues between, uh, uh, Iran and, uh, Israel, which could cause

01:19:03.920 other energy issues.

01:19:06.360 Nord Stream is cut.

01:19:07.680 We've had the explosions in Texas and, and, uh, in Oklahoma.

01:19:12.860 Energy's got, even if Nord Stream were wide open, uh, Europe's got problem with energy this

01:19:19.680 winter.

01:19:19.880 That's just a fact of life, which means next year, remember famine creates famine next year.

01:19:25.400 We're not going to have enough fertilizer period.

01:19:27.580 We're eating the food that's already been grown at this point.

01:19:30.540 So right now, uh, so in addition to this, normally we have a lot more resilience, for

01:19:36.800 instance, the droughts that we have in the United States.

01:19:39.880 Okay.

01:19:40.320 We have terrible, we do have incredibly terrible droughts right now in the United States.

01:19:44.060 Normally we could kind of fill in the gaps and it's not going to be happy days, but we'll

01:19:48.160 fill it out and nobody's going to starve to death.

01:19:50.220 Uh, but now our resilience is reduced.

01:19:52.900 And so what, you know, we're not going to be able to be sending food out to all over

01:19:57.220 Africa and these sorts of places without starving our own people.

01:20:00.240 Now, keep in mind, by the way, during famines, often countries like China were exporting huge

01:20:05.220 amounts of food while their own people were starving.

01:20:07.260 Mao was doing that.

01:20:08.400 Actually, Stalin did that when, uh, when Ukraine was starving.

01:20:11.420 And that's a, that's a strange thing about famine.

01:20:13.540 Some countries continue to export food while their people starve.

01:20:16.140 Uh, but that's a side topic.

01:20:18.860 Well, that is what you do when you're aiming at starvation.

01:20:22.240 Yeah.

01:20:22.440 Well, so you're a lot of fun to talk to Jesus.

01:20:24.960 You're the, you're the, I don't know.

01:20:27.480 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:20:28.420 You're that's an even more dismal conversation than the one I would have with myself.

01:20:32.240 I would say, well, look, Michael, thank you very much for talking to me today and enlightening

01:20:37.180 me and all of the people who are watching and listening about these preposterous and appalling

01:20:41.700 occurrences.

01:20:42.860 I sure hope you're deluded and wrong, but I'm afraid you're probably not.

01:20:48.440 Um, and that's really sad and horrifying.

01:20:50.620 And we're going to be lucky if we get through this winter without major bloody catastrophe,

01:20:55.260 as far as I can tell on about five different fronts.

01:20:58.200 And these absolute abdication of leadership in the West, especially on the environmental

01:21:03.060 front is right at the forefront of all of this.

01:21:05.340 And so, all right, for everyone who's listening, I'm going to continue to talk to Michael behind

01:21:10.640 the scenes, so to speak at daily wire plus I've added that to my YouTube offering or

01:21:17.160 my online social media offering, let's say as part of this daily wire deal, I have been

01:21:22.040 talking to all my guests for an additional half an hour or so about the development of

01:21:25.700 their career.

01:21:26.720 Michael's had an amazing life.

01:21:28.340 I would say in, in about five different dimensions.

01:21:31.060 And I, I would like to ask him how his interests unfolded and what pathway he followed and what

01:21:38.220 his calling is to use a, an anachronistic biblical term.

01:21:42.640 And that's all offered at daily wire plus who have been kind enough to produce and film

01:21:47.940 and edit and help distribute and publicize all of this work.

01:21:51.780 That's also part of the daily wire plus deal, which I think is a good thing for everyone, including

01:21:55.700 me and hopefully the audience.

01:21:57.080 And so we're going to switch over to the daily wire plus, and if you want to support the

01:22:01.880 work they're doing, which is at least in part trying to bring actual journalism back into

01:22:06.960 the world so that people know that famine is coming, for example, um, please give some

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01:22:16.360 You know, uh, we're hoping to make the daily wire plus into a, uh, a reliable alternative

01:22:23.440 news source, which means an actual news source in today's world.

01:22:26.760 And, um, you know, I don't know if we can manage it, but that is our aim.

01:22:30.800 So Michael, thank you very much for talking to me today.

01:22:33.600 That was, uh, extremely interesting in the most horrible possible way.

01:22:38.240 And, uh, kudos on your adventurous spirit, man, and your courage in the face of all this.

01:22:43.760 God, you have a ridiculous life.

01:22:46.520 Um, it must be quite something to be trying to address these concerns conceptually and

01:22:52.940 in the practical way that you're doing it, traveling and so forth.

01:22:55.720 And by, by keeping your ear to the ground, it's an amazing thing that you're doing.

01:22:59.560 And so hopefully, hopefully it's going to tilt us away from the four horsemen of the apocalypse

01:23:05.260 because they certainly seem to be on the march again.

01:23:07.660 And that's pretty bloody sad to say the least.

01:23:10.400 So over and out everybody.

01:23:12.360 And Michael, uh, as I said, man, thanks very much for agreeing to talk to me today.

01:23:17.160 Thank you, Jordan.

01:23:17.880 It was been a pleasure and an honor.

01:23:19.600 Thank you very much, sir.

01:23:23.680 I would encourage you to continue listening to my conversation with my guest on dailywireplus.com.

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274. Cometh the Horsemen： Pandemic, Famine, War ｜ Michael Yon

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