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00:00:57.420 Hello everyone. I'm pleased today to be talking to Dr. Leslyn Lewis.

00:01:14.000 Dr. Lewis is a candidate for the leadership of the Conservative Party in Canada at the federal level.

00:01:21.180 And although this is a podcast with an international audience, the leadership race in Canada on the Conservative front turns out to be something of some surprising international significance.

00:01:35.020 Not least, I think, because our Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, who I'm not a fan of, for those of you who don't know, is a real poster boy for the globalist utopians who are busily attempting to make this planet far worse.

00:01:51.520 And so the best challenge to Trudeau on the political front in Canada will definitely come from the Conservative Party, who have been the historical alternatives to Canada's Liberals.

00:02:04.100 And Dr. Lewis is a signally important participant in that Conservative leadership process.

00:02:14.720 She's more, I think it's fair to say, on the socially Conservative front, but a very interesting person.

00:02:19.900 And so she's agreed to talk to me today, which I also think is a good thing.

00:02:25.720 I've talked to Pierre Polyev, who's the frontrunner in the race, and Roman Barber.

00:02:31.840 So that'll be three, including Dr. Lewis, that'll be three of the five candidates.

00:02:36.320 I reached out to Jean Charest, who used to be Premier of Quebec, but his team felt that speaking to a ripper bait such as myself was probably not in his interest.

00:02:45.560 And there's another candidate, Aitchison, who I haven't yet talked with and perhaps still might if time makes that possible.

00:02:54.520 But we'll start with the bio.

00:02:55.620 So, Leslyn Lewis graduated with a bachelor's degree from the University of Toronto, Trinity College, graduating magna cum laude.

00:03:05.980 She has a master's degree in environmental studies from York University, with a concentration in business and environment from the Schulich School of Business,

00:03:13.860 and a jurist doctor from Osgoode Hall Law School, and a PhD in law from Osgoode Hall Law School.

00:03:20.440 She and her family are residents of the town of Dunville, where she serves her community as Member of Parliament for Haldeman Norfolk.

00:03:30.360 Leslyn exploded onto the national political scene when she ran previously for the leadership of the Conservative Party in 2020.

00:03:39.120 Despite having no pre-established political network and coming from relative obscurity,

00:03:43.620 her vision of a strong, united, and prosperous nation resonated with Canadians right across the country.

00:03:50.440 She finished in third place in the race, winning the popular vote ahead of eventual winner Erin O'Toole and party co-founder Peter McKay.

00:04:00.200 Dr. Lewis is currently running for the second time in the current battle for the Canadian Conservative federal leadership.

00:04:08.180 So, welcome, Dr. Lewis.

00:04:10.360 Thank you very much for making time.

00:04:11.940 It's quite exciting to have the opportunity to engage in these long-form discussions on the political front.

00:04:18.560 I think that's something perhaps revolutionary in Canadian politics, to be able to circumvent the legacy media, let's say.

00:04:25.340 So, welcome to the podcast.

00:04:27.960 Thank you. It's a great pleasure to be here, and I'm very honoured to be here with you today.

00:04:33.100 Yeah, so people, we might as well start right from the beginning.

00:04:36.540 Let's do a little bit of a biographical discussion to begin with.

00:04:42.960 Tell me a bit about your family.

00:04:45.080 Tell me about your background.

00:04:46.560 And then also, you're very well educated, and then you made a foray into politics.

00:04:51.000 Let's walk through that a little bit so that we can place you in everyone's imagination before we move to the policy side of things.

00:04:58.620 Well, as you said, I reside in a small community called Dunville.

00:05:03.620 It's in the riding of Haldeman Norfolk, which is in the Niagara area, south of Hamilton, for those of you who are familiar with southern Ontario.

00:05:14.740 And as you said, I've recently just emerged into politics, and I felt a calling on my life to really serve, use my skills that I have honed over the last few decades in education, in law, in just practical business experience.

00:05:34.660 Use that to better my country, because right now I see that our country is at a precipice, and I'm concerned about the future of our country.

00:05:43.900 I'm concerned about my children and the future that they will have, and the dreams that I've had in this country, and that I've been able to realize, I'm very concerned that they won't be there for future generations.

00:05:55.600 When we look at the $1.3 trillion that we have in debt, and the fact that every day, just to service that debt, we're paying over $140 million a day, just in interest payments, just to service that debt.

00:06:09.700 And the fact that my children will owe $45,000 is their share of the national debt.

00:06:17.420 And so there are so many things that are happening in this world that are having influences on whether or not we will survive as a sovereign nation.

00:06:27.380 And so I think that my experience, lending my experience to this cause, is one of the most noble things that I feel that I've done in my life.

00:06:34.860 So when you were in university, you spent a lot of time in university.

00:06:42.200 Let's walk through your education background.

00:06:43.760 Probably too much.

00:06:44.800 Well, maybe, maybe.

00:06:46.720 That didn't used to be a problem, although it's become one.

00:06:50.460 Let's walk through your university career, and then tell me about your developing interest in politics.

00:06:55.320 So, your first degree was at the University of Toronto.

00:07:00.640 Yes, it's actually in sociology, African studies, with a minor in women's studies and philosophy.

00:07:06.540 So, as you can see, I am well versed in the social sciences, and I understand the language of many things that are transpiring now.

00:07:17.320 So, I went through the education system, and throughout my education, I often felt that I was in an environment that they were trying to mold me.

00:07:29.180 But in the earlier years at the University of Toronto, I had the ability to at least, I knew where the limits were, but I also had the ability to challenge.

00:07:39.820 Whereas, I found in my later stages that things, there was more conformity in education, and there was less diversity of thought, which was very, very concerning to me.

00:07:51.580 And even in my later days of teaching, I almost felt like an undercover agent, because I couldn't really necessarily reveal that I was conservative.

00:08:03.540 Although it came out later on, because I was asked to help out the party in 2015, at the end of my PhD.

00:08:10.580 And to run in an election, in a riding that there was a scandal in, and so I had to step in last minute.

00:08:18.000 So, at the end, it was revealed, but I don't think that many people were really cognizant of how much of a conservative I was,

00:08:26.900 because that's not something that's really, really celebrated in university.

00:08:31.140 And that sounds, like, really ironic that one would say that, that in an institution of higher learning, that you would not be able to celebrate diversity of thought.

00:08:43.640 But that's what the end of my university career was like, and that's really unfortunate.

00:08:49.520 What years were you studying sociology and women's studies at the University of Toronto?

00:08:54.000 Oh, in the 90s. In the early 90s, I completed my first degree.

00:09:01.420 Okay, so that's a very, both sociology and women's studies are very left-leaning, certainly now, but they were back in the early 1990s, too.

00:09:11.460 There was kind of a little initial peak of political correctness in the universities in the early 1990s.

00:09:16.880 So, two questions there.

00:09:19.200 Why did you decide to go into sociology and women's studies, and were you conservative in your orientation then?

00:09:27.460 And if so, how did you bridge that gap?

00:09:34.140 Well, actually, my family came here as immigrants, and the Liberal Party was the party that they felt most at home in.

00:09:42.280 And so, although I grew up in an ultra, ultra-conservative family, religious-wise, economically, fiscally conservatives, just a traditional immigrant family that comes to Canada and has the foundations of strong family values, believing in strong faith values, and a strong faith in your community and contributing to that community.

00:10:10.600 So, I would consider myself as growing up in a conservative family, although it was a politically liberal family.

00:10:17.900 And when I went to school, I didn't even think about politics at all.

00:10:21.540 I just wanted to get an education.

00:10:23.300 And I was concerned about some of the social dilemmas because I was very active in my church, doing prison ministry, working with at-risk youth.

00:10:34.200 And so, I was very concerned about the social dilemmas, and so sociology was a natural fit.

00:10:41.380 And sociology really was about understanding the theoretical underpinnings of what society was comprised of.

00:10:52.160 So, it was a lot of theory.

00:10:54.560 And so, I didn't really find that it was left-leaning.

00:10:57.780 Women's studies, of course, that was my minor, and that was more so left-leaning, but it was still very theoretical back then.

00:11:05.760 Now, what I'm finding is a lot of the theories have become dogma and have seeped into the mainstream narrative and have become the norm rather than just a theory.

00:11:17.920 And so, that's the difference between what I went to school in the 90s and what's studied now.

00:11:22.140 And you could have alternative positions back then, whereas now I find that you're demonized for having critical thought abilities.

00:11:32.300 Okay, so the advantage of that would have been to have gone through that four-year initial period would have been that you became conversant, very conversant, say, with the progressive views.

00:11:43.720 Because the downside would have been, well, the tension that you would have experienced, I presume, between your beliefs and the beliefs that were being promoted.

00:11:53.720 Why weren't you convinced by the more progressive doctrines of the sociologists and the women's studies teachers?

00:12:02.500 And what did that do to you?

00:12:04.740 What did experiencing that tension for four years do to the way that you conceptualized your philosophy and your practical approach?

00:12:12.280 Well, it does shape you.

00:12:15.700 Even though you have that conservative foundation, that education does impact on you.

00:12:21.720 Because there are things that I had bought into that I'm just even now recognizing that may not have been all-encompassing or may not have been ideally where I would have been had I not had that education.

00:12:37.620 So there was a notion that my success was really based on what I could materially get from society or my educational pursuits.

00:12:53.180 And there was a lot of friction there with also raising a family and having a successful marriage, etc.

00:13:01.820 So many of that, I think, may have even undermined some of the traditional values that I had.

00:13:10.460 And I don't know whether that's a good or a bad thing because I was able to reconcile it.

00:13:15.380 And even in university, I joined the Reform Party because I saw that Preston Manning, his values were very much in line with what I believed.

00:13:25.580 And there were questions that I had through my education that weren't being adequately answered.

00:13:33.620 And so I just naturally gravitated towards my upbringing.

00:13:38.500 And I found that he, as a leader, was somebody who I believed was a very dignified and upstanding person.

00:13:47.420 And I saw the values that he had for and the desires that he had for this country.

00:13:53.720 And so I aligned myself with that party very early on.

00:13:57.900 So do you think, having been educated on the progressive front, do you think that you developed a deeper appreciation for the perspective that's being put forward there?

00:14:10.980 I mean, the progressive argument is something like people who have authority and status often benefit from unfair privilege and opportunity and capitalize on power, let's say, at the expense of people who are less fortunately situated in the hierarchical structure of society.

00:14:35.480 You know, and there's some truth to that, obviously, because power corrupts every human institution and we have to keep an eye out on it.

00:14:44.000 Why do you think you were unconvinced by the more radical stream of the progressive doctrine, especially given that you were immersed in it for four years and subject to a fair bit, I imagine, both of conceptual and peer pressure?

00:15:01.320 Well, as I said, from a theoretical perspective, a lot of it doesn't make sense.

00:15:06.640 The problem that I'm having now is that it's almost being inversed.

00:15:12.220 So we know that privilege is relative.

00:15:16.220 Oftentimes, I've walked into a room and people would say to me, oh, you're a lawyer.

00:15:21.880 How they would know that?

00:15:23.900 Perhaps by the way I speak, by the way I carry myself.

00:15:26.960 So there is relative privilege in different aspects of your social ranking.

00:15:33.600 And that's something that we've always had in society.

00:15:37.460 The reason why I speak about an inversion is because what I'm seeing is that they will often make your identity your master status.

00:15:50.240 And so that's what I push back on right now because we were able to critically analyze why that is not good for society.

00:15:59.880 But I even find myself right now, even in the conservative race, as someone who has the only track record of someone running a conservative leadership race and winning the popular vote as an outsider,

00:16:14.040 I still will not get media coverage and attention, primarily because I don't fit their narrative.

00:16:22.340 And their narrative is that the conservative party is a white racist party.

00:16:27.440 And so to have me potentially highlight me would go against the media and the social narrative.

00:16:35.560 So much to the point that in 2020, Kamala Harris was featured over 8,800 times more than I was, even though she was not running in our country.

00:16:47.780 And even though her position was an appointment and I was running to earn my position as a leadership candidate, as a leader of the conservative party.

00:16:57.240 So those things, it shows you largely how the left kind of, they've reversed even what their beliefs are to the point that when you don't fit their narrative, they come after you and they attack you very, very viciously.

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00:18:50.600 So it's very perverse, eh?

00:18:54.780 Because you're objecting on philosophical grounds to the idea that you should be categorized by, let's say, your race and your sex.

00:19:04.680 And yet, the left insists that that's the cardinal distinction between people,

00:19:09.800 and then insists that people like that should be brought to the forefront because they've been marginalized,

00:19:15.040 and then insists that that should only be the case.

00:19:17.520 Clarence Thomas is a good case in point, too, who's been pilloried like mad for not fitting the mold.

00:19:24.140 So despite the fact that you have the, let's say, self-evident characteristics that the left is trumpeting,

00:19:30.860 the fact that you aren't conducting yourself in a manner that seems to be ideologically appropriate

00:19:36.680 means that, in some real sense, that you're persona non grata.

00:19:42.120 And that really is interesting.

00:19:43.340 That's the inversion that you're speaking about.

00:19:45.240 That really is a fascinating phenomenon, as far as I'm concerned.

00:19:49.620 So, all right.

00:19:51.720 So after you were at the University of Toronto, your next degree was what?

00:19:57.580 A Master's of Environmental Studies.

00:19:59.900 Okay.

00:20:00.300 So that's a bit of a detour.

00:20:02.460 Now you're in, you've jumped from one leftist hotbed into an even more leftist hotbed, I would say,

00:20:09.340 because not only are you taking environmental studies, you're taking environmental studies at York,

00:20:13.800 which is definitely one of Canada's, I mean, that place is paralyzed by strikes about every two years.

00:20:19.720 It's, I would say, it's fair to say that must be one of Canada's most leftist higher educational institutions.

00:20:26.520 And so now you've jumped into environmental studies.

00:20:29.140 Why environmental studies and why York?

00:20:32.480 And what was that like?

00:20:34.620 To be honest with you, I don't even know why I decided to choose environmental studies,

00:20:42.380 other than the fact that I had a deep concern about the environment, about our stewardship.

00:20:49.920 And it wasn't something that I thought that I was going to make a lot of money from or that it was on a desired path.

00:21:01.760 It was almost like a honing signal, like something that sent out to you and drawing you to that.

00:21:09.300 But you can't really put your finger on why it is that you did that degree.

00:21:15.500 And that's just the best way I can explain it.

00:21:18.320 I'm very happy that I did do that.

00:21:21.100 And even that program was very, very different than what this environmental studies is now.

00:21:28.000 Even then, I feel that I had a well-rounded, all-encompassing education in the environment.

00:21:37.060 It wasn't, the notion of climate change and the politicization of climate change

00:21:42.120 wasn't something that I dealt with as a master's student in the environment.

00:21:48.320 That is a recent phenomenon that we've taken climate change, we've politicized it, we've made it ascientific,

00:21:57.160 and we've used it as a revenue-generating tool to conjure up fear.

00:22:03.300 And that wasn't something that I found in my studies.

00:22:08.640 So what did you, okay, so let's go into that a little bit.

00:22:11.160 So what did you learn in your couple of years, two years master's program, was it?

00:22:19.400 What did you learn about the environment?

00:22:21.300 And tell me how that shaped your thinking now.

00:22:24.340 I'm a big fan, people know this, I'm a big fan of Bjorn Lomborg.

00:22:28.120 He's done a pretty comprehensive analysis of sustainability and environmental issues.

00:22:32.800 And also a man named Marion Toopey, who's wrote a great book recently called Super Abundance.

00:22:38.120 Both of them are trying very hard to sort out the priorities of the various environmental concerns

00:22:45.940 that do, in fact, beset us.

00:22:48.260 What did you learn at York?

00:22:49.640 And what do you think is of stellar importance on the environmental front confronting us now?

00:22:57.500 Well, you'd be surprised what I learned.

00:23:01.020 Well, starting from the theoretical perspective of, say, sustainability, our common future,

00:23:08.140 that notorious book, we started from that foundation.

00:23:13.400 But we also learned the role of big pharma and that that could be all-consuming.

00:23:19.820 We also learned about some of the improprieties that were committed by big pharma in southern nations,

00:23:29.360 whether it's South America or African countries.

00:23:33.080 We also learned about sustainability and the role of farmers in generational ability to sustain the land,

00:23:44.280 intergenerational ability.

00:23:45.560 We learned about the atmosphere and in a very, very different way than how we're talking about it right now.

00:23:55.240 We knew that nitrogen made up 78% of the atmosphere, that oxygen made up 21%, and that carbon was 0.04.

00:24:06.680 So we talked about carbon reduction in a very, very different way than we have done now,

00:24:14.400 which is more of a politicized way.

00:24:17.180 And it's completely different.

00:24:19.640 I'm not sure what is being taught now in an environmental studies program,

00:24:24.480 but it was fascinating because we looked at things like the role of Monsanto

00:24:29.360 and the appropriation of biodiversity and how that will lead to fewer choices for people in the farming sector.

00:24:39.340 So it was something that I was preempted towards, that I was pre-warned that these things were coming.

00:24:46.980 And we've looked at even African communities and the role of some of the United Nations food programs,

00:24:53.600 how they have actually destabilized those communities.

00:24:56.740 If you look at, say, there's a program called REDD, Reduce Emissions for Deforestation and Degregation.

00:25:06.800 And that program basically encouraged people in certain African communities not to cut down trees

00:25:15.420 because they said it was contributing to a very bad carbon footprint.

00:25:23.380 It was contributing to depletion and carbonization of the environment, etc.

00:25:32.180 And so they encouraged those individuals not to cut down trees.

00:25:37.440 And the people were hungry.

00:25:40.340 They began to starve.

00:25:42.440 You saw malnutrition in communities that never had malnutrition before.

00:25:47.720 And so they had to go back and say, well, we are encouraging them not to cut down these trees, but they're starving.

00:25:57.040 In other projects, they encouraged people not to, they were using corn for ethanol and the people were going hungry.

00:26:06.780 And so we're looking at all of these programs and you have to ask whether or not it's serving humanity.

00:26:14.420 And even if we look at our situation in Canada and we look at even our resource sector.

00:26:21.340 In my master's program, we were taught that resource development is not mutually exclusive from environmental sustainability.

00:26:31.320 That's what we were taught.

00:26:33.020 And so we looked for ways to solve problems, whether that's through efficient technology, innovative technology,

00:26:40.580 working with corporations to make sure that their impact or their footprint is minimal

00:26:51.180 and that they can remedy some of the damage that's caused to the environment.

00:26:57.760 So we looked for solutions, whereas in politics now, I'm finding that it is just fear.

00:27:05.260 Let's create enough fear and then we can then have this really intrusive policy.

00:27:11.800 And it doesn't matter what the outcome is, whether or not that policy will have the outcome of improving the environment.

00:27:19.760 That just goes out the window.

00:27:21.380 And that's what's really frustrating to me as someone who has an education in environmental studies,

00:27:28.660 that we are not seeing that the policies have a positive outcome on the environment.

00:27:36.620 It's just largely revenue generating.

00:27:40.180 Yeah, you brought up a bunch of issues there.

00:27:42.120 One issue, I would say, is the idea that somehow we have to make life difficult for impoverished people so that the environment will improve.

00:27:56.920 You talked about the injunction to cease deforestation and the consequent generation of hunger.

00:28:04.080 The first thing that I think conservatives and intelligent liberals could agree upon and insist upon is that there's no pathway to environmental sustainability

00:28:17.080 that involves making already poor people more miserable.

00:28:21.700 First of all, because we shouldn't be making them more miserable.

00:28:25.220 That's for sure.

00:28:26.220 And second, because people can't care about broader environmental concerns when they're so desperate they're worried about tonight's shelter and the next meal.

00:28:37.760 And so the idea that we have to accept arbitrary limits to growth, economic growth, which are mostly going to hurt poor people,

00:28:44.240 and higher energy prices and higher food prices, which are mostly going to hurt poor people,

00:28:48.640 and that that's going to help on the environmental sustainability front,

00:28:51.940 that's just, it's not only nonsense and a lie, it's an anti-truth.

00:28:59.060 You couldn't say anything farther from the truth than that.

00:29:03.380 I completely agree with you, Dr. Peterson, in that it's actually, and I'll tell you a story that happened to me during my math,

00:29:12.180 actually it was during my PhD,

00:29:13.660 I was unable to publish a paper because I referenced the term environmental imperialism.

00:29:23.000 And the peer-reviewed reviewers told me I had to take that word out in order to publish my paper.

00:29:31.620 So I said, absolutely not, I won't do it.

00:29:33.860 So I had to keep shopping it around to different places.

00:29:37.420 I finally got it published, and that's really what you're talking about, is environmental imperialism.

00:29:45.220 Because what the West is doing now is saying, we've developed, and yes, our path of development wasn't good for the environment,

00:29:54.340 and we've learned, and so now we want you to learn,

00:29:57.560 and therefore we don't want you to have all the luxuries that we have because we've destroyed the environment.

00:30:05.280 You stay in your state of need.

00:30:09.020 Or worse.

00:30:09.960 Exactly, or worse.

00:30:12.420 And we will find a way to protect the environment,

00:30:17.400 not recognizing that you may want to have electricity,

00:30:23.420 have some of the luxuries that we have.

00:30:25.620 And instead of finding a way that we could, for lack of a better word,

00:30:31.800 bring other societies along to the path of development,

00:30:35.720 in an environmentally sustainable way,

00:30:38.940 you have this notion of environmental imperialism,

00:30:42.280 where you say, no, you can't cut down that tree for food

00:30:46.040 because we want to protect the forest.

00:30:48.620 It's an elitism that is coming into environmental protection,

00:30:54.120 and it comes from, and I'm going to use the word privilege,

00:30:58.680 that it is a stance of privilege.

00:31:01.040 I think that's a proper way to use it,

00:31:02.880 that we in this society,

00:31:04.920 we have the privilege of having all these luxuries,

00:31:08.080 and then we have the audacity to tell people

00:31:11.580 that they should not strive for the same things in their lives.

00:31:15.740 Not just to tell them,

00:31:18.020 to force them under power of law to do so.

00:31:21.380 I mean, we look at what happened to Sri Lanka as a case in point.

00:31:25.100 And, you know, my sense,

00:31:26.560 I spent about two years studying issues of environmental sustainability

00:31:32.220 and economic development,

00:31:34.020 and that's when I realized,

00:31:36.120 which was a great delight and shock to me,

00:31:38.300 that the fastest way forward

00:31:39.940 to true environmental sustainability

00:31:42.280 was to eradicate poverty.

00:31:44.220 I thought, well, that's a good deal.

00:31:45.780 We can eradicate poverty,

00:31:47.220 and that'll be good for the planet.

00:31:48.760 And then I also thought,

00:31:49.960 and tell me what you think of this,

00:31:51.660 the pathway forward

00:31:52.840 to the amelioration of poverty

00:31:56.240 and environmental sustainability

00:31:57.660 is, let's say,

00:31:59.320 to make the absolutely poor richer,

00:32:02.380 because then they'll start to care about the environment.

00:32:04.600 And so once you get them up to about $5,000 a year in GDP,

00:32:08.020 people start to be concerned about longer-term issues

00:32:10.840 because they can afford to.

00:32:12.320 And then there's a pathway of development there

00:32:14.400 that's quite clear, as far as I can tell,

00:32:16.480 that involves cheap energy,

00:32:18.020 because energy is work and energy is food.

00:32:20.680 And so the pathway is something like,

00:32:23.340 well, people burn dung or wood.

00:32:25.480 It's better to replace that with coal.

00:32:27.600 And then it's better to replace the coal with oil

00:32:30.300 and the oil with natural gas,

00:32:32.560 and the natural gas conceivably with nuclear

00:32:35.940 and some judicious mix of renewables.

00:32:38.780 And each of those steps is somewhat more expensive

00:32:42.040 using current technology.

00:32:43.760 So generally speaking,

00:32:45.320 countries have to pass through

00:32:46.620 that entire developmental sequence.

00:32:48.980 And I know that the developing world

00:32:51.100 is planning to generate something like

00:32:53.240 170 coal-fired plants in the next few years.

00:32:56.680 And then I don't know how many nuclear plants

00:32:58.680 China is planning to build, but a lot.

00:33:00.960 And so instead of interfering with that

00:33:04.280 and making fossil fuel unconscionably expensive

00:33:08.640 and then driving countries like China

00:33:11.860 to shop for bad sources of coal

00:33:15.280 instead of relatively clean burning coal,

00:33:17.720 we're moralizing like mad in our privilege in the West.

00:33:21.440 And we're dubing all these people

00:33:23.820 to not only privation and want in a very fundamental sense,

00:33:28.400 but to an environmentally degraded future.

00:33:30.420 So the bloody leftists on the environmental front

00:33:33.260 are not only putting forward a vision

00:33:36.760 that's contrary to a conservative vision

00:33:39.320 or a true liberal vision,

00:33:40.920 but they're putting forward a vision

00:33:42.340 that isn't going to result in what they purport to desire.

00:33:46.380 No, absolutely.

00:33:47.320 And it goes even beyond, say, electrifying the South.

00:33:53.400 It goes into sustaining their food source.

00:33:58.480 And right now there is a major attack

00:34:02.320 on even their food source.

00:34:04.240 If you take the situation in Sri Lanka,

00:34:06.780 the situation in Sri Lanka is not much different

00:34:10.160 than what we will be facing here, ironically.

00:34:14.400 It started off with lockdowns.

00:34:16.580 The lockdowns really, really crippled the average person

00:34:21.160 who made their living selling on the streets,

00:34:24.500 through tourism, vending.

00:34:26.460 And that impact was still there

00:34:30.620 when they imposed even more restrictions

00:34:34.300 on the nitrogen content in the fertilizer.

00:34:38.060 So you had people who were used to making their money

00:34:41.800 by selling tea, tea farming.

00:34:44.360 And with the 30% nitrogen content reduction,

00:34:50.120 their yields were much less.

00:34:52.820 And so they couldn't sustain themselves economically.

00:34:57.900 And then you even had the rice farmers in Sri Lanka also,

00:35:01.640 which is a large staple cash crop there.

00:35:05.120 And they also had to deal

00:35:07.240 with the nitrogen content reduction.

00:35:10.060 And so they weren't making the type of money.

00:35:12.660 So you don't have the money flowing through the system

00:35:16.060 that you ordinarily would.

00:35:18.360 And then you have, from the lockdown,

00:35:21.000 the supply chains were so limited

00:35:24.100 that the cost of everything increased.

00:35:27.840 And people have fewer dollars

00:35:29.960 to even purchase these items now.

00:35:32.680 And so that's why you saw them raid

00:35:34.540 the presidential palace.

00:35:36.220 Because a light goes off.

00:35:38.680 Why should these politicians be living

00:35:41.920 in a palace in luxury

00:35:45.080 while I cannot even put one meal a day

00:35:49.620 on the table for my family?

00:35:52.060 And that's why they said enough is enough.

00:35:54.740 Okay, so let's put that in context.

00:35:57.500 Now, we talk about the nitrogen issue.

00:35:59.680 So first thing is that we've seen now

00:36:04.020 a tremendous amount of unhappiness

00:36:08.540 on the Dutch farmer front.

00:36:12.300 So the judicial authorities in Holland

00:36:16.260 accused the Netherlands government

00:36:19.720 of failing to live up to its international obligations

00:36:22.760 on the pollution amelioration front

00:36:26.260 and required immediate action to be taken

00:36:30.340 with regards to nitrogen pollution,

00:36:33.340 which admittedly can be a problem.

00:36:36.180 Now, the plan that the Netherlands imposed

00:36:39.420 by compulsion will result in the destruction

00:36:43.000 of a substantial proportion

00:36:44.560 of the Netherlands' farming infrastructure.

00:36:49.160 And the people who are promoting this say,

00:36:52.200 well, we think the sector can be resilient enough

00:36:55.000 to manage this.

00:36:56.680 But the farmers know perfectly well

00:36:58.400 that many of them are going to be forced

00:36:59.920 out of business as the politicians themselves

00:37:02.560 have not only admitted, but are aiming for.

00:37:05.140 And now there is this approximately 30% reduction

00:37:08.920 in the Dutch herd and the associated farms.

00:37:14.460 And the politicians who are pushing this

00:37:16.080 seem to think that the whole agricultural sector

00:37:18.800 in the Netherlands,

00:37:20.200 which is the world's second biggest exporter

00:37:22.160 of agricultural products,

00:37:23.320 that the infrastructure there will be able

00:37:26.140 to tolerate this forced and compelled reduction

00:37:29.880 in supply and consequent increases in costs.

00:37:33.480 But my sense is the whole agricultural section

00:37:36.060 will stagger and fall,

00:37:38.660 especially under the weight

00:37:40.080 of these post-COVID supply chain problems.

00:37:43.920 I mean, I can't see how you can take a whole industry

00:37:46.120 that runs on about a 3% to 5% margin,

00:37:48.680 force a 30% reduction in its inputs

00:37:52.900 over an eight-year period

00:37:54.220 and expect the whole system to survive.

00:37:57.280 Now, one more thing.

00:37:57.500 They don't expect it to survive.

00:37:59.240 They don't expect it to survive.

00:38:00.920 Okay, we'll get into that.

00:38:02.320 Now, just to add a little twist to that.

00:38:05.040 Now, the Dutch farmers are out protesting.

00:38:07.180 There's 40,000 of them with their big tractors

00:38:09.500 and they don't do that lightly

00:38:10.760 because those tractors are expensive

00:38:12.420 and they're very busy.

00:38:13.580 And right in the bloody midst of this,

00:38:16.340 our prime minister did exactly the same thing.

00:38:19.900 He unilaterally announced

00:38:21.800 a mandatory 30% reduction in nitrogen output

00:38:26.200 on the farmer's side.

00:38:28.240 And he wasn't even willing to tie that

00:38:30.780 to units of nitrogen used per unit of food produced

00:38:36.340 because apparently he doesn't give a damn

00:38:38.660 whether we produce food effectively.

00:38:40.700 And then that means that poor people will go hungry.

00:38:45.160 So what do you make of this?

00:38:47.260 Again, we said this isn't even good environmental policy.

00:38:51.560 It's not going to work.

00:38:52.980 And I don't know what's going to happen in Sri Lanka,

00:38:55.380 but my suspicions are the people are going to be

00:38:58.060 cutting down the forests and eating the animals

00:39:00.160 because what the hell else are they going to do?

00:39:02.880 Exactly.

00:39:04.100 You're absolutely correct.

00:39:06.460 I don't believe that they expect the survival of the system.

00:39:10.320 And the policies are created largely

00:39:14.580 because they don't believe that system is worth keeping.

00:39:18.680 And they've said it to the farmers in the Netherlands.

00:39:22.780 They've said that to them.

00:39:24.020 In some places, the nitrogen reduction content

00:39:27.360 is up to 90% if it's near conservation in the Netherlands,

00:39:31.200 up to 90%.

00:39:32.560 And remember, these farmers, including our farmers,

00:39:37.380 they have been approached about this net zero before.

00:39:40.840 This is not the first time.

00:39:42.800 And they were told, if you invest in innovative technologies,

00:39:46.700 that would bring down your carbon footprint.

00:39:51.500 And therefore, you would get some credits for that.

00:39:55.240 And so many of those farmers in the Netherlands,

00:39:57.900 they spent millions of dollars investing in innovative technology.

00:40:02.360 And then after that, the government said, what?

00:40:05.960 That's not good enough.

00:40:07.280 Then they brought in the nitrogen requirements.

00:40:10.160 So then they imposed the nitrogen requirements

00:40:13.240 upon an already fragile industry.

00:40:17.020 And then the Dutch farmers said, well,

00:40:19.000 we will not be able, exactly like in Sri Lanka,

00:40:22.360 to make the yields that it would be worth financially,

00:40:26.480 us continuing this industry.

00:40:28.940 And what did the government say?

00:40:31.380 Well, if your farms can't sustain itself,

00:40:35.100 they're not sustainable.

00:40:36.100 We'll buy them.

00:40:37.260 Or a corporation will buy them from you.

00:40:39.680 But we cannot continue to invest in an unsustainable business.

00:40:44.660 And when the Dutch farmers come out and say, well,

00:40:46.940 we are one of the largest exporters of cash crops,

00:40:51.720 certain cash crops, what does the government say?

00:40:54.160 Oh, no, you're not.

00:40:54.900 You import a lot of the things that you need to produce that.

00:40:57.660 And so when you minus that from the equation,

00:41:00.140 you're actually negligible in the world scheme

00:41:03.420 of the food supply chain.

00:41:05.260 So they have an answer for everything.

00:41:07.800 And not only that, when the Dutch farmers said,

00:41:11.380 okay, let's look at, if this is really about the environment,

00:41:15.780 and the Canadian farmers are saying the same thing,

00:41:17.800 let's look at our contribution

00:41:19.680 and the contribution that we make to carbon sequestration.

00:41:25.300 When we plant crops, carbon is sequestered in the soil.

00:41:31.620 And so do we get, in Canada, the questions asked,

00:41:35.100 do we get a reduction from our carbon tax

00:41:37.840 that we're paying to dry the crops?

00:41:41.160 Can we get a reduction on that carbon tax?

00:41:44.840 And the answer is no.

00:41:46.760 In the Netherlands, what was the answer?

00:41:50.120 The government basically said, well, no,

00:41:53.020 you don't get to do the calculations.

00:41:55.340 We are the ones who set the calculations.

00:41:57.940 So the metrics, they don't even want to negotiate on the metrics,

00:42:02.740 which tells you how dictatorial this whole process is.

00:42:07.740 When you cannot even have people

00:42:09.920 who have tended to the land for generations,

00:42:13.460 who are probably some of the most experienced farmers in the world,

00:42:17.300 where you say their input is not valid,

00:42:20.260 it tells you that there is an agenda

00:42:23.280 beyond just protecting the environment.

00:42:26.700 Because if it were just protecting the environment,

00:42:29.600 you would want all of these viable inputs.

00:42:32.300 And you would want to say, okay, this practice,

00:42:35.080 if it can be done in a sustainable manner, let's do it.

00:42:38.560 No, you impose a restriction

00:42:41.040 that you know will kill the industry.

00:42:43.780 Okay, so I'm going to walk through a bunch of that.

00:42:47.580 Okay, so let's lay out the argument here

00:42:51.200 on the progressive side and take it apart.

00:42:54.520 Okay, so the first argument is,

00:42:57.400 oh no, the environmental apocalypse is coming.

00:43:02.300 Okay, so now let's think about that.

00:43:04.840 Is an apocalypse coming?

00:43:06.240 Well, we've heard about various apocalypses

00:43:08.640 for the last 40 years,

00:43:10.060 and many of them needed to be taken seriously.

00:43:13.020 And so we could say there's some threat.

00:43:15.720 But let's walk through that a little bit more.

00:43:18.000 It's like, okay, we can see bad things coming in the future.

00:43:21.320 Now, my question would be,

00:43:22.980 well, who's qualified to deal

00:43:26.640 with those hypothetical emergencies?

00:43:30.000 Now, here's a psychological answer.

00:43:32.100 You tell me what you think about this,

00:43:33.520 because I've just been formulating it.

00:43:36.440 So one of the things you do as a therapist

00:43:39.360 when people are afraid of something

00:43:41.120 is you teach them how to confront it voluntarily.

00:43:45.520 And maybe someone's afraid of other people.

00:43:49.420 They're socially anxious,

00:43:50.320 so they don't like going to parties.

00:43:52.600 And so you might say,

00:43:53.540 well, your assignment for this week

00:43:55.580 is to go to a party.

00:43:56.880 And the person says,

00:43:58.240 well, that makes me too afraid.

00:43:59.940 I don't think I can do it.

00:44:01.400 I'll get irritable, and it isn't going to work.

00:44:03.660 And so you say, okay, well,

00:44:05.040 let's scale it back to find something you can do

00:44:08.300 that doesn't paralyze you and make you irritable.

00:44:12.860 And so maybe you say,

00:44:13.760 well, you go say hello to the person

00:44:15.620 who runs your corner store and introduce yourself.

00:44:18.460 That's your assignment for the week.

00:44:19.860 And then they go out and see if they can do that.

00:44:22.060 And so you don't want to confront people

00:44:26.040 with a monster that's so big

00:44:27.640 that it terrifies them into paralysis

00:44:30.420 or turns them into a tyrant, let's say.

00:44:35.440 So now you're an environmentalist

00:44:37.340 and you're facing the apocalypse

00:44:38.540 and you say, oh my God,

00:44:39.960 I'm so terrified of this

00:44:41.860 that I'm virtually paralyzed.

00:44:44.060 And then you say, not only that,

00:44:46.220 it's such an emergency

00:44:47.480 that I'm 100% justified

00:44:50.760 in using compulsion on others.

00:44:55.740 Not bringing them along voluntarily,

00:44:58.400 not developing a shared vision,

00:45:00.420 not talking in detail to the Dutch

00:45:02.760 or the Canadian farmers

00:45:03.820 who are among the most efficient

00:45:05.440 utilizers of resources

00:45:07.340 per unit of food grown in the world.

00:45:09.820 None of that.

00:45:10.420 It's top down.

00:45:11.820 And so then I would say, look,

00:45:13.300 if your vision of the future is so apocalyptic

00:45:16.560 that you're paralyzed into paralysis

00:45:20.320 or you're terrified into paralysis

00:45:22.160 and you've become a tyrant,

00:45:25.140 then you're not the right person for the job.

00:45:28.000 Your own psychological reaction is showing that.

00:45:32.060 Instead, you should be out there talking to people,

00:45:35.500 the farmers in particular, let's say,

00:45:37.340 and maybe we could throw in the truckers

00:45:39.060 for good measure,

00:45:40.080 who actually have to deal with these things

00:45:42.040 on a day-to-day basis

00:45:43.260 to find a shared vision.

00:45:45.440 It's not like the bloody farmers

00:45:46.940 want to spend any more money on fertilizer

00:45:49.500 than they have to

00:45:50.600 and get people to come along voluntarily.

00:45:54.920 And so here's the moral hazard.

00:45:57.440 All right.

00:45:58.580 It's the apocalypse.

00:46:00.140 That's the claim.

00:46:01.460 We need net zero

00:46:03.440 because that means we don't have to think

00:46:05.820 about all the painful details.

00:46:08.040 This is terrifying us

00:46:10.280 because it's such an emergency.

00:46:12.480 And therefore, conveniently for us,

00:46:14.740 we need all the decision-making power

00:46:17.020 and we need it now.

00:46:19.460 And so the problem here

00:46:21.040 is that the apocalypse justifies

00:46:23.120 the emergence of a tyrant.

00:46:25.120 And that's what we're seeing play out.

00:46:27.080 Now, I'll add one more detail to that.

00:46:29.780 You said,

00:46:31.920 and we both discussed the idea

00:46:33.740 that even by the measures

00:46:36.220 that the environmentalists use,

00:46:38.180 these policies appear to be counterproductive.

00:46:40.840 They're going to destroy the industries.

00:46:42.620 They're going to throw people into poverty.

00:46:44.240 They're going to produce social chaos.

00:46:45.620 And so then you think,

00:46:47.120 well, okay, if they don't know this,

00:46:49.700 then that's unforgivable ignorance.

00:46:51.340 If they do know it,

00:46:52.920 then it's unforgivable malevolence.

00:46:55.580 And you might say,

00:46:56.380 well, what's driving that?

00:46:58.400 How about if we had to choose

00:47:00.740 between destroying capitalism

00:47:02.280 and saving the environment,

00:47:04.080 we would choose destroying capitalism?

00:47:07.200 Well, you've packed a lot into that.

00:47:11.140 And what I do want to do

00:47:13.760 is just turn back to

00:47:15.860 like this whole climate change narrative.

00:47:18.980 So we know climate change

00:47:21.340 is both man-made and it is natural.

00:47:24.800 The problem is,

00:47:25.780 is that our solutions,

00:47:28.100 of course,

00:47:28.740 they're only focused on

00:47:30.080 the man-made component

00:47:31.840 and they want you to believe

00:47:32.920 that it's only man-made,

00:47:34.060 which that's not true.

00:47:36.000 But that's all we could do

00:47:38.060 is affect that man-made component.

00:47:41.660 The hypocrisy that we see in the policies

00:47:43.980 is what I have a problem with.

00:47:46.100 Every day we're importing

00:47:47.460 555,000 barrels of oil a day

00:47:52.640 into Canada.

00:47:55.540 555,000.

00:47:57.460 And yet we're importing them

00:47:59.220 from often dictatorship regimes

00:48:01.700 with poorer environmental records

00:48:04.480 than ours.

00:48:05.280 So we're rewarding bad behavior.

00:48:08.200 And yet we are saying

00:48:09.740 that we cannot develop

00:48:11.980 our natural resources.

00:48:13.760 But we're admittingly stating

00:48:16.260 that we have not moved

00:48:17.840 past the point

00:48:18.720 where we can live

00:48:20.100 without those natural resources.

00:48:22.000 So that's one sense

00:48:23.380 of the hypocrisy that I see.

00:48:26.060 Another sense is,

00:48:27.380 yes, you're right.

00:48:28.500 It is a deliberate attempt

00:48:31.020 to kill certain industries.

00:48:33.000 For example,

00:48:34.720 they have been programming us

00:48:36.780 for years

00:48:37.640 that eating beef is selfish

00:48:39.860 and that if you continue

00:48:42.420 to eat meat,

00:48:43.460 you're a selfish person.

00:48:45.140 They've been programming us

00:48:47.260 to want to eat bugs

00:48:49.060 and to not want to eat

00:48:51.340 especially beef.

00:48:53.540 And so you see this

00:48:55.060 predictive programming coming out.

00:48:57.040 And when you juxtapose that

00:48:59.460 with something that they say

00:49:02.040 is one of their saviors

00:49:03.260 like electric cars

00:49:04.780 and you say,

00:49:06.640 okay, we're going to do

00:49:07.680 a net zero analysis of beef

00:49:10.340 and they like to do that

00:49:11.880 and they will say

00:49:13.060 that steak that you ate,

00:49:14.440 Dr. Peterson, last night,

00:49:16.180 well, you have to take

00:49:17.500 into consideration

00:49:18.520 the entire life cycle

00:49:20.060 of that cattle that you ate.

00:49:22.820 And so they start from the farm.

00:49:24.280 They look at all of the feces

00:49:26.860 and the dung excreted

00:49:28.300 from that cattle

00:49:29.660 over its lifetime,

00:49:31.160 its impact on runoff

00:49:32.660 into the water.

00:49:34.000 They look at how much grass

00:49:35.800 that cattle has eaten

00:49:37.040 and then they look

00:49:38.400 at the transportation cost

00:49:39.720 to get that piece of nice beef

00:49:42.280 on your plate

00:49:43.200 that you ate last night.

00:49:44.540 And they say,

00:49:45.560 well, when you do

00:49:46.880 the net zero calculation,

00:49:48.960 that piece of beef

00:49:50.000 is not sustainable.

00:49:50.920 But let's take an electric car.

00:49:54.900 They do not start

00:49:56.500 from in a cobalt mine

00:49:59.080 in Africa

00:50:00.840 or even for a computer

00:50:02.680 in a lithium mine

00:50:03.840 in Africa

00:50:04.700 with a poor five-year-old child

00:50:07.860 that if you looked at the,

00:50:10.960 just the abuse

00:50:12.200 that that child had to endure,

00:50:14.020 your heart would melt.

00:50:15.780 It is,

00:50:16.300 it's just such egregious circumstances,

00:50:19.140 outrageous circumstances

00:50:20.880 that those children

00:50:22.000 are put under.

00:50:23.360 And yet these are the miners

00:50:25.140 of the components

00:50:27.920 that we need

00:50:29.300 in order to go

00:50:30.440 in that electric car.

00:50:31.540 So they don't start there.

00:50:32.920 Then you look at the battery,

00:50:35.640 right?

00:50:36.160 And no,

00:50:37.060 let's look at the fact

00:50:38.300 that the battery

00:50:38.880 has to be charged.

00:50:40.420 What is it charged with?

00:50:42.140 It's charged with carbon.

00:50:44.360 But yet that's not included

00:50:46.300 in the carbon footprint.

00:50:48.160 And then you look

00:50:50.240 at the battery,

00:50:51.180 the disposal of that battery

00:50:53.240 at the end of the life cycle

00:50:55.260 of that car.

00:50:57.240 And you know that

00:50:58.780 to decompose that battery

00:51:01.500 will take,

00:51:02.540 I think by one calculation,

00:51:04.280 don't quote me,

00:51:05.560 I think I heard 75 years.

00:51:08.440 So when you look

00:51:10.320 at the life cycle of that

00:51:12.000 and you do a net zero calculation

00:51:14.760 on that,

00:51:15.500 you will see

00:51:16.720 that it is not

00:51:18.320 as green

00:51:19.060 as we are

00:51:20.700 told that it is.

00:51:22.740 And many of the green products

00:51:24.260 are not as green.

00:51:26.020 Well,

00:51:26.580 didn't the EU

00:51:27.480 a month ago

00:51:28.660 redefine green

00:51:30.800 to include

00:51:31.480 natural gas

00:51:32.300 and nuclear?

00:51:33.320 Which begs

00:51:33.920 a major question,

00:51:34.900 which is,

00:51:35.620 well,

00:51:36.280 why weren't they defined

00:51:37.540 that way to begin with?

00:51:38.920 And what's the grounds

00:51:40.500 for the reclassification?

00:51:41.920 And,

00:51:42.760 well,

00:51:43.000 on the nuclear front,

00:51:44.000 that's been bothering me

00:51:45.060 for years.

00:51:45.740 It's like,

00:51:46.120 well,

00:51:46.300 France has done

00:51:46.980 a pretty good job

00:51:47.820 providing a stable power grid

00:51:50.520 for a number of decades now,

00:51:52.800 and that's about

00:51:53.780 as green as it gets.

00:51:55.700 There's the problem

00:51:56.600 of disposal

00:51:57.240 of nuclear waste,

00:51:58.140 but that's a manageable problem.

00:51:59.520 There's always a problem

00:52:00.340 with energy solutions.

00:52:02.020 I just can't help

00:52:02.960 but see that,

00:52:05.200 and I've watched

00:52:05.880 the environmentalist leftists

00:52:07.640 do this internal

00:52:09.540 battle of ethics

00:52:11.200 because the left,

00:52:12.240 at least in principle,

00:52:13.900 let's say they have

00:52:14.740 two broad concerns.

00:52:16.340 Well,

00:52:16.580 three.

00:52:17.200 One is

00:52:17.720 amelioration

00:52:18.960 of absolute poverty.

00:52:21.280 Another is

00:52:22.100 amelioration

00:52:22.920 of relative poverty.

00:52:24.900 That's the inequality argument.

00:52:26.320 And the third is

00:52:27.440 something like

00:52:28.040 environmental sustainability.

00:52:30.320 And so then you might say,

00:52:31.320 well,

00:52:31.520 what happens

00:52:32.080 when those goals

00:52:34.160 run into

00:52:35.160 paradoxical juxtaposition?

00:52:38.360 And so then you have

00:52:39.200 to decide

00:52:39.740 if you're going

00:52:40.140 to save the planet

00:52:41.040 or you're going

00:52:41.600 to save the poor.

00:52:43.160 And the answer

00:52:44.040 on the environmental front,

00:52:45.240 as far as I can tell

00:52:46.140 continually,

00:52:46.760 has been,

00:52:47.540 oh,

00:52:47.700 to hell with the poor.

00:52:49.060 We're going to save

00:52:50.000 the planet.

00:52:50.640 And then the catastrophe

00:52:51.680 of that is,

00:52:52.540 well,

00:52:52.680 if you don't save

00:52:53.460 the poor

00:52:54.080 along with the planet,

00:52:55.940 then you doom

00:52:56.980 the planet

00:52:57.540 and the poor.

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00:54:07.200 And that seems like

00:54:08.880 a really bad solution

00:54:09.920 to me.

00:54:10.360 It goes even deeper

00:54:11.900 to look at the fact

00:54:13.860 that the net zero

00:54:15.600 calculation now

00:54:16.860 is basically

00:54:18.280 an attempt

00:54:19.380 to really transition

00:54:20.620 us from one

00:54:21.900 economic mode

00:54:23.540 of production

00:54:24.220 to a new one.

00:54:26.100 And it's been

00:54:26.580 very, very clearly

00:54:27.600 stated.

00:54:28.620 It's been very

00:54:29.880 clearly stated

00:54:31.040 by Klaus Schwab

00:54:32.040 in his book

00:54:32.820 The Great Reset

00:54:33.980 which is not a conspiracy.

00:54:35.720 You can find it on Amazon

00:54:37.200 and that's not a pitch

00:54:38.980 for him.

00:54:39.940 It's also a terrible book.

00:54:41.660 It's a terrible book.

00:54:43.160 You know,

00:54:43.980 I read that book.

00:54:45.500 It is full of platitudes.

00:54:47.180 It's full of platitudes

00:54:48.220 that book.

00:54:49.360 Yeah.

00:54:50.120 And there's not a lot

00:54:51.540 of substantiating

00:54:53.220 the grand theories

00:54:54.520 in the book

00:54:55.440 but it is a grand theory

00:54:57.320 of where

00:54:58.620 they see

00:55:00.320 our entire society going.

00:55:03.140 And one of the big champions

00:55:04.340 of this grand theory

00:55:05.880 is Justin Trudeau.

00:55:07.500 He wants to

00:55:08.920 remake

00:55:09.840 our society

00:55:10.820 in a post-nationalist

00:55:13.100 image

00:55:13.740 of what he considers

00:55:15.440 to be

00:55:16.180 a

00:55:16.940 egalitarian

00:55:18.300 flat society.

00:55:22.020 But there are still

00:55:23.460 a lot of inequities.

00:55:24.600 If you look at

00:55:25.260 the recent conference

00:55:26.940 that they had

00:55:27.720 in Davos

00:55:28.980 they basically

00:55:30.260 put

00:55:31.160 limousines

00:55:32.920 on

00:55:33.520 jets

00:55:35.160 in order to

00:55:36.200 get them

00:55:36.600 over there

00:55:37.180 so that they

00:55:37.820 could be

00:55:38.180 driven around

00:55:38.880 in luxury

00:55:39.600 but yet

00:55:40.400 they want

00:55:41.360 to limit

00:55:41.960 the travel

00:55:42.580 of average

00:55:43.340 Canadians.

00:55:44.000 And so you see

00:55:44.700 this dichotomy

00:55:46.180 and this

00:55:47.220 two-tiered

00:55:48.020 society being

00:55:48.740 created.

00:55:49.460 One,

00:55:50.100 where they're

00:55:50.520 going after

00:55:51.220 the food supply

00:55:52.520 chain

00:55:52.920 to control

00:55:53.780 your consumption

00:55:54.960 and the only

00:55:55.940 way they can

00:55:56.420 do that

00:55:56.880 is through

00:55:57.300 the farmers.

00:55:58.460 Then the

00:55:58.920 second thing

00:55:59.700 is to go

00:56:00.720 after

00:56:01.260 your consumption

00:56:02.800 and daily

00:56:04.040 purchasing

00:56:04.640 which will

00:56:05.900 come through

00:56:06.700 environmental

00:56:07.720 social governance

00:56:08.860 and the

00:56:09.660 environmental

00:56:10.140 social governance

00:56:11.340 program

00:56:11.900 is a

00:56:12.920 completely

00:56:13.600 new

00:56:15.020 international

00:56:16.240 accounting

00:56:17.240 program

00:56:17.840 that requires

00:56:19.620 small and

00:56:20.660 medium-sized

00:56:21.400 businesses

00:56:21.920 to allocate

00:56:23.280 the carbon

00:56:24.340 footprint

00:56:24.840 of every

00:56:26.140 single product

00:56:27.180 that they

00:56:27.880 sell.

00:56:28.860 And to

00:56:29.640 quantify that

00:56:30.560 different users

00:56:31.660 will have

00:56:32.120 different products.

00:56:33.400 You may use

00:56:34.520 your camera

00:56:35.140 once a year

00:56:36.340 on vacation

00:56:37.080 and another

00:56:38.560 person may

00:56:39.160 use it

00:56:39.500 every day

00:56:39.900 to film.

00:56:40.740 So the

00:56:41.080 carbon footprint

00:56:42.080 it's almost

00:56:43.100 impossible to

00:56:44.080 measure

00:56:44.380 but yet

00:56:45.300 they're coming

00:56:45.960 up with

00:56:46.440 this system

00:56:47.220 which can

00:56:48.080 only be

00:56:49.240 implemented

00:56:49.840 by lawyers

00:56:50.680 accountants

00:56:51.520 consultants.

00:56:52.660 So you have

00:56:53.120 the lawyers

00:56:53.660 the accountants

00:56:54.560 and contractors

00:56:57.020 getting wealthy

00:56:58.200 while small

00:56:59.560 businesses

00:57:00.040 will be

00:57:00.600 struggling

00:57:01.080 under more

00:57:02.880 red tape

00:57:03.480 than they

00:57:03.920 have now

00:57:04.540 to be able

00:57:06.120 to meet

00:57:06.720 these standards

00:57:07.440 of this

00:57:07.960 environmental

00:57:08.500 social governance.

00:57:09.820 And the ironic

00:57:10.480 thing about this

00:57:11.360 Dr. Peterson

00:57:12.100 is that

00:57:13.180 if these

00:57:14.460 same companies

00:57:15.460 are operating

00:57:16.480 say in China

00:57:17.360 or overseas

00:57:18.680 these same

00:57:20.200 Canadian companies

00:57:21.120 do not have

00:57:21.960 to subject

00:57:22.760 those citizens

00:57:24.500 and that

00:57:25.560 country

00:57:26.180 purchasers

00:57:27.940 to that

00:57:29.100 same level

00:57:29.880 of tracking

00:57:30.860 the carbon

00:57:31.780 footprint.

00:57:32.720 Right well

00:57:33.020 so this is a

00:57:33.700 crucial issue

00:57:35.420 here because

00:57:36.100 one of the

00:57:36.920 things we

00:57:37.300 really have

00:57:37.840 to understand

00:57:38.540 is that

00:57:39.120 if we

00:57:40.100 don't

00:57:40.600 develop

00:57:42.020 our ability

00:57:43.220 to generate

00:57:44.940 and disseminate

00:57:46.500 cheap energy

00:57:47.620 in the

00:57:48.500 developed

00:57:48.880 countries

00:57:49.620 where we

00:57:50.240 have high

00:57:51.300 not only

00:57:52.160 high standards

00:57:53.020 of environmental

00:57:53.720 stewardship

00:57:54.240 on the legal

00:57:55.420 front but an

00:57:56.180 ethos of

00:57:56.980 environmental

00:57:57.480 stewardship

00:57:57.980 among the

00:57:59.120 distributed

00:57:59.580 business class

00:58:00.720 it's already

00:58:01.380 there

00:58:01.760 they're already

00:58:02.500 aiming at that

00:58:03.200 all that's going

00:58:04.080 to happen is that

00:58:04.900 worse providers

00:58:06.220 elsewhere

00:58:06.880 are going to be

00:58:08.860 brought aboard

00:58:10.180 as you said

00:58:10.960 we're buying

00:58:11.540 oil from

00:58:12.180 well let's say

00:58:12.940 Canada isn't

00:58:14.040 I don't think

00:58:14.440 we import

00:58:14.960 oil from Russia

00:58:15.960 but obviously

00:58:16.700 the Europeans

00:58:17.420 import fossil fuels

00:58:19.120 from Russia

00:58:19.660 like mad

00:58:20.220 all we're doing

00:58:21.160 is enabling

00:58:21.880 the Chinese

00:58:23.280 and the

00:58:24.280 dictatorial

00:58:25.000 Gulf states

00:58:25.780 to fill in

00:58:27.900 the gaps

00:58:28.460 let's say

00:58:29.160 absolutely

00:58:29.680 I cannot see

00:58:30.920 in any possible

00:58:32.000 way how that's

00:58:32.820 going to be good

00:58:33.380 for poor people

00:58:34.180 or good for the

00:58:35.740 environment

00:58:36.100 in any sense

00:58:37.260 whatsoever

00:58:37.900 and I think

00:58:39.260 your comments

00:58:39.880 about Trudeau

00:58:40.620 being a poster

00:58:41.360 boy for the

00:58:42.240 Klaus Schwab

00:58:43.140 and the WEF

00:58:44.100 types

00:58:44.520 and also

00:58:45.580 your comments

00:58:46.320 on ESGs

00:58:47.180 which everyone

00:58:47.780 should know

00:58:48.240 about

00:58:48.540 the ESG

00:58:49.680 mandates

00:58:50.160 that are

00:58:50.500 coming in

00:58:50.920 at the

00:58:51.180 corporate level

00:58:51.740 if we get

00:58:52.820 snookered

00:58:53.460 into a digital

00:58:54.300 currency

00:58:54.840 which seems

00:58:55.580 to me

00:58:55.940 to be highly

00:58:56.520 probable

00:58:57.040 then not only

00:58:58.260 are corporate

00:58:59.060 expenses

00:58:59.640 going to have

00:59:00.340 to be accounted

00:59:00.960 for in terms

00:59:02.160 of their

00:59:02.520 hypothetical

00:59:03.080 carbon footprint

00:59:04.120 but every

00:59:05.100 bloody purchase

00:59:05.840 that individuals

00:59:06.640 make is going

00:59:07.360 to be subject

00:59:07.860 to exactly

00:59:08.580 the same

00:59:09.040 kind of

00:59:09.560 analysis

00:59:10.520 and taxation

00:59:11.660 and nudging

00:59:13.140 and pressure

00:59:14.000 and so

00:59:14.960 every consumer

00:59:16.140 decision we make

00:59:17.140 is going to be

00:59:17.800 weighed up

00:59:18.360 in terms of

00:59:18.980 our environmental

00:59:20.620 impact

00:59:21.260 for no good

00:59:22.960 outcome

00:59:23.480 let's make that

00:59:24.680 clear

00:59:25.000 to make everything

00:59:26.060 more expensive

00:59:26.780 to make energy

00:59:27.660 more expensive

00:59:28.360 to make food

00:59:29.080 more inaccessible

00:59:30.320 to hurt the planet

00:59:31.660 to make it more

00:59:32.840 difficult for people

00:59:33.720 to conduct their

00:59:34.340 business

00:59:34.680 and for poor

00:59:35.740 people to starve

00:59:36.640 that's the bloody

00:59:37.680 vision that's being

00:59:38.520 put forth by

00:59:39.420 the half-wit

00:59:40.760 cliche mongers

00:59:41.920 like Klaus Schwab

00:59:43.800 well let me

00:59:44.900 first speak about

00:59:45.840 the first point

00:59:47.040 that you made

00:59:47.720 about bad

00:59:49.160 actors

00:59:49.560 so we

00:59:50.840 have the

00:59:51.900 third largest

00:59:53.900 accessible oil

00:59:55.100 reserves on the

00:59:56.100 planet in Canada

00:59:57.100 which we leave

00:59:58.520 largely untapped

00:59:59.900 and right now

01:00:01.620 in Europe

01:00:02.360 40%

01:00:03.420 of their

01:00:04.680 supply

01:00:05.820 is coming

01:00:06.700 from Russia

01:00:07.580 if we were

01:00:08.780 able to develop

01:00:10.000 our natural

01:00:11.480 resources

01:00:12.060 even get our

01:00:12.860 LNG

01:00:13.380 to Tidewater

01:00:14.900 get it over

01:00:15.640 to Europe

01:00:16.200 we could

01:00:17.120 actually

01:00:17.620 offset

01:00:18.440 dependency

01:00:20.100 on Russian

01:00:20.900 oil

01:00:21.240 and so

01:00:22.580 you're absolutely

01:00:23.580 right

01:00:24.080 that the

01:00:25.240 need is still

01:00:26.420 there

01:00:26.800 and the fact

01:00:27.500 that our

01:00:28.140 government

01:00:28.500 has implemented

01:00:29.440 industry-killing

01:00:31.260 policies like

01:00:32.120 Bill C-48

01:00:32.820 and Bill C-69

01:00:34.140 that is basically

01:00:35.920 just to stymie

01:00:37.120 our production

01:00:38.580 it is the same

01:00:39.340 thing

01:00:39.760 that when we

01:00:41.140 implement these

01:00:42.100 policies on

01:00:42.940 our farmers

01:00:43.740 it's really

01:00:44.840 affecting our

01:00:45.720 global supply

01:00:46.940 chain

01:00:47.280 when we have

01:00:48.200 these social

01:00:48.760 governance

01:00:49.280 rules that

01:00:50.960 are imposed

01:00:52.100 on Canadian

01:00:53.800 businesses

01:00:55.140 it means that

01:00:56.640 we will not

01:00:57.580 be producing

01:00:58.680 at the level

01:00:59.600 that we

01:01:00.460 should be

01:01:01.220 producing

01:01:01.640 we are

01:01:02.460 actually being

01:01:03.400 dependent

01:01:04.820 on foreign

01:01:06.380 countries to

01:01:07.060 produce and

01:01:07.700 import it

01:01:08.320 and that's

01:01:09.000 why we

01:01:09.360 we will

01:01:10.360 continue to

01:01:11.100 have such

01:01:11.600 large trade

01:01:12.420 deficits

01:01:13.300 and trade

01:01:14.560 deficits

01:01:14.940 some people

01:01:15.460 will say

01:01:15.740 well that

01:01:16.160 tells you

01:01:16.580 that you

01:01:16.900 have a rich

01:01:17.400 nation

01:01:17.720 and you

01:01:18.000 don't have

01:01:18.340 to produce

01:01:18.800 everything

01:01:19.400 but we

01:01:20.540 see what

01:01:21.680 dependency

01:01:22.340 can cause

01:01:23.160 during COVID

01:01:24.200 basic PPEs

01:01:26.140 we had to

01:01:26.660 import

01:01:27.140 where we

01:01:27.860 had the

01:01:28.280 capacity

01:01:28.920 to produce

01:01:30.460 those here

01:01:31.300 and so we

01:01:32.280 have to make

01:01:32.780 sure that

01:01:33.680 we're optimizing

01:01:34.520 our capacity

01:01:35.280 I also want

01:01:36.180 to touch

01:01:36.620 on the

01:01:37.140 digital ID

01:01:38.520 and this

01:01:40.040 whole

01:01:40.540 digitization

01:01:41.760 of our

01:01:42.700 economy

01:01:43.180 yes it

01:01:44.240 is a

01:01:44.780 transition

01:01:45.440 to a

01:01:46.180 new

01:01:46.460 economy

01:01:47.140 the

01:01:47.960 plan

01:01:49.140 is for

01:01:49.960 everything

01:01:51.140 our

01:01:51.880 even the

01:01:52.560 way our

01:01:53.460 GDP

01:01:54.340 would be

01:01:55.180 calculated

01:01:55.880 would be

01:01:56.840 based on

01:01:57.720 a new

01:01:58.260 means of

01:01:58.740 calculation

01:01:59.360 that would

01:02:00.300 have ingrained

01:02:01.320 in it

01:02:01.720 the carbon

01:02:02.600 footprint

01:02:03.140 and so the

01:02:04.180 carbon footprint

01:02:05.120 is almost

01:02:06.560 going to

01:02:07.140 replace

01:02:07.700 what we

01:02:08.260 know as

01:02:08.900 our

01:02:09.160 dollar

01:02:09.520 and when

01:02:10.360 we see

01:02:10.840 centralized

01:02:11.300 digital

01:02:12.020 banking

01:02:12.500 currencies

01:02:13.740 when we

01:02:14.940 see that

01:02:15.580 emerging

01:02:16.160 that is

01:02:17.440 creating

01:02:18.120 the

01:02:18.540 infrastructure

01:02:19.300 and arguably

01:02:20.400 you could

01:02:21.160 even argue

01:02:21.760 that things

01:02:22.360 such as

01:02:22.780 digital

01:02:23.100 currencies

01:02:23.580 were a

01:02:24.160 test ground

01:02:24.880 for creation

01:02:25.900 of that

01:02:26.440 infrastructure

01:02:27.080 of the

01:02:27.880 new economy

01:02:28.580 that's why

01:02:29.460 I think

01:02:29.940 that my

01:02:31.000 inclusion

01:02:31.680 in the

01:02:33.220 leadership

01:02:33.740 race

01:02:34.240 and in

01:02:34.800 the future

01:02:35.240 of Canada

01:02:35.700 is so

01:02:36.200 important

01:02:36.760 because I've

01:02:37.760 spent years

01:02:38.540 studying what

01:02:39.860 it is that

01:02:40.620 we've been

01:02:41.580 embarked upon

01:02:42.520 many people

01:02:43.440 do not

01:02:43.960 understand

01:02:44.720 what is

01:02:46.040 happening

01:02:46.520 how every

01:02:47.500 calculation

01:02:48.300 everything that

01:02:49.480 you do

01:02:50.000 will be

01:02:50.840 logged on

01:02:51.720 that blockchain

01:02:52.440 the blockchain

01:02:53.560 could see

01:02:54.320 every single

01:02:55.300 transaction

01:02:56.280 and it's

01:02:58.360 going to be

01:02:58.840 recorded

01:02:59.320 and our

01:02:59.800 entire lives

01:03:00.600 are going to

01:03:01.120 be equated

01:03:02.340 on how

01:03:03.820 much carbon

01:03:04.420 footprint

01:03:04.900 we contribute

01:03:06.440 to society

01:03:07.640 or how

01:03:08.560 good we

01:03:09.120 are at

01:03:09.700 reducing

01:03:10.240 our carbon

01:03:11.280 footprint

01:03:11.780 right

01:03:12.360 right

01:03:12.700 right

01:03:13.000 so that'll

01:03:13.780 be the

01:03:14.100 hallmark

01:03:14.580 by which

01:03:15.100 all ethical

01:03:15.720 conduct

01:03:16.300 will be

01:03:16.880 evaluated

01:03:17.700 and we're

01:03:18.260 setting up

01:03:18.700 an infrastructure

01:03:19.320 where there

01:03:20.440 can be

01:03:21.080 complete tracking

01:03:22.000 of everything

01:03:22.520 in relationship

01:03:23.260 to that

01:03:23.820 and you might

01:03:24.540 say well

01:03:25.020 the planet's

01:03:25.620 in terrible

01:03:26.020 shape

01:03:26.360 and the

01:03:26.640 first thing

01:03:27.020 we need

01:03:27.400 to do

01:03:27.800 is to

01:03:28.420 reduce

01:03:28.700 our carbon

01:03:29.200 footprint

01:03:29.560 but then I

01:03:30.160 think well

01:03:30.540 wait a second

01:03:31.140 this goes

01:03:32.360 back to

01:03:32.840 your discussion

01:03:33.580 about the

01:03:34.440 depth of

01:03:35.160 analysis

01:03:35.560 let's say

01:03:36.180 on the

01:03:36.500 electric car

01:03:37.100 front

01:03:37.380 it's like

01:03:37.760 well wait

01:03:38.580 a second

01:03:39.000 are you

01:03:40.020 so sure

01:03:40.880 like 100%

01:03:42.360 to the bottom

01:03:43.040 of your soul

01:03:43.740 that the

01:03:44.080 most important

01:03:44.660 thing we

01:03:45.100 could possibly

01:03:45.720 embark upon

01:03:46.460 is carbon

01:03:48.000 output reduction

01:03:48.920 and nothing

01:03:49.460 else

01:03:49.840 so let me

01:03:50.700 offer some

01:03:51.300 other alternatives

01:03:52.100 if we're going

01:03:52.660 to look at

01:03:53.000 this in a

01:03:53.380 broader sense

01:03:54.000 and I got a

01:03:54.920 fair bit of

01:03:55.420 this from

01:03:55.820 people like

01:03:56.360 Marian Tupi

01:03:57.160 and Bjorn

01:03:58.180 Lomberg

01:03:58.660 it's like

01:03:59.080 well Lomberg

01:03:59.740 has put

01:04:00.180 together teams

01:04:00.860 of economists

01:04:01.600 to analyze

01:04:02.460 where we

01:04:02.980 get the

01:04:03.380 biggest

01:04:03.640 return

01:04:04.280 per dollar

01:04:05.280 spent

01:04:05.740 which isn't

01:04:06.260 a bad

01:04:06.620 metric

01:04:07.060 unless you

01:04:07.580 have a

01:04:07.900 better one

01:04:08.400 and he

01:04:10.060 rank ordered

01:04:11.420 the UN

01:04:12.020 sustainability

01:04:12.720 goals in

01:04:13.720 terms of

01:04:14.120 economic

01:04:14.580 viability

01:04:15.240 and so

01:04:15.620 let's make

01:04:16.120 that clear

01:04:16.680 there are

01:04:17.520 important

01:04:17.840 things to

01:04:18.380 pursue

01:04:18.840 there are

01:04:19.400 important

01:04:19.720 things to

01:04:20.220 pursue

01:04:20.800 internationally

01:04:21.540 and nationally

01:04:22.260 one of the

01:04:23.400 ways we

01:04:23.820 determine

01:04:24.320 what's most

01:04:25.560 important and

01:04:26.140 should be

01:04:26.520 funded is by

01:04:27.260 looking at

01:04:27.740 something like

01:04:28.280 return on

01:04:28.900 investment

01:04:29.420 if we

01:04:30.180 spend a

01:04:30.660 dollar

01:04:30.900 how much

01:04:31.440 money does

01:04:31.960 that generate

01:04:32.620 in return

01:04:33.360 and Lomberg

01:04:34.660 who put

01:04:35.120 together 10

01:04:35.820 teams of

01:04:36.380 economists

01:04:36.880 who worked

01:04:37.500 independently

01:04:38.060 on this

01:04:38.760 and then

01:04:39.100 aggregated

01:04:40.520 across their

01:04:41.080 findings

01:04:41.480 has showed

01:04:41.960 that climate

01:04:43.000 remediation

01:04:43.820 spending

01:04:44.380 doesn't even

01:04:45.020 enter the

01:04:45.560 top 20

01:04:46.340 that if we

01:04:47.640 really wanted

01:04:48.200 to put the

01:04:48.740 planet together

01:04:49.460 in some

01:04:49.960 long-term

01:04:50.520 sense over

01:04:51.160 the next

01:04:51.480 few decades

01:04:52.160 we'd be

01:04:53.020 funneling a

01:04:53.540 lot more

01:04:53.900 money into

01:04:54.440 such things

01:04:55.080 as absolute

01:04:55.980 poverty

01:04:56.560 reduction

01:04:57.120 for poor

01:04:58.460 children

01:04:59.020 in the

01:04:59.740 developing

01:05:00.120 world

01:05:00.540 because the

01:05:01.080 return on

01:05:01.660 investment

01:05:02.140 for early

01:05:03.260 childhood

01:05:03.640 nutrition

01:05:04.240 for example

01:05:05.000 is about

01:05:05.460 $250

01:05:06.420 to one

01:05:07.740 and so

01:05:09.560 on the

01:05:11.240 environmental

01:05:11.800 well and I

01:05:12.440 can think of

01:05:12.860 other environmental

01:05:13.660 issues that are

01:05:14.420 more pressing

01:05:15.060 so for example

01:05:16.160 I worked on

01:05:17.820 the UN

01:05:18.140 committee that

01:05:18.780 set up some

01:05:19.440 of the

01:05:19.680 sustainability

01:05:20.140 goals

01:05:20.920 and so I

01:05:21.920 looked at

01:05:22.320 this for a

01:05:22.860 long time

01:05:23.440 and I do

01:05:24.500 think there

01:05:24.960 are environmental

01:05:25.780 problems and

01:05:26.820 climate change

01:05:28.560 is one of

01:05:29.540 them but where

01:05:30.200 it should be

01:05:30.660 placed on the

01:05:31.260 list is not

01:05:31.900 exactly clear

01:05:32.760 certainly I

01:05:34.620 would say the

01:05:35.660 problem of

01:05:36.400 oceanic mismanagement

01:05:37.900 is much more

01:05:38.820 not only pressing

01:05:40.280 and vital but

01:05:42.340 also remediable

01:05:43.460 for we actually

01:05:44.520 know how to

01:05:45.040 remediate it

01:05:45.800 and trying to

01:05:47.340 generate any

01:05:47.920 public discussion

01:05:48.640 on that front

01:05:49.320 is virtually

01:05:49.880 impossible

01:05:50.480 and so the

01:05:51.420 environmentalists

01:05:52.260 themselves

01:05:52.800 they jump

01:05:53.760 on one

01:05:54.200 issue

01:05:54.600 it's climate

01:05:55.940 change

01:05:56.460 they say

01:05:57.440 oh it's

01:05:57.920 going to be

01:05:58.260 a catastrophe

01:05:58.920 and Bjorn

01:05:59.480 Lomborg has

01:06:00.080 done these

01:06:00.520 calculations

01:06:01.120 he said

01:06:01.600 look by the

01:06:02.180 year 2100

01:06:03.160 given current

01:06:04.460 economic

01:06:04.940 projections

01:06:05.520 we're going

01:06:06.540 to be about

01:06:06.960 four times

01:06:07.680 richer than

01:06:08.300 we are now

01:06:09.020 but that's

01:06:10.380 going to be

01:06:10.880 decreased to

01:06:11.920 some degree

01:06:12.740 because of the

01:06:13.820 additional costs

01:06:14.800 associated with

01:06:16.200 climate change

01:06:16.960 but we'll only

01:06:18.340 be 3.5

01:06:20.920 times richer

01:06:21.860 and then

01:06:23.080 we can

01:06:23.800 remediate

01:06:24.440 most of

01:06:24.940 that

01:06:25.100 he's also

01:06:25.600 done a

01:06:26.100 death

01:06:26.420 calculation

01:06:27.180 showing that

01:06:28.080 fewer people

01:06:29.100 are likely

01:06:29.540 to die

01:06:30.080 in the future

01:06:30.700 when it's

01:06:31.140 warmer than

01:06:31.720 die now

01:06:32.340 because it's

01:06:32.920 cold and

01:06:33.540 more people

01:06:34.040 freeze to

01:06:34.580 death

01:06:34.880 than get

01:06:35.640 overheated

01:06:36.280 and so

01:06:37.120 in terms of

01:06:38.140 human catastrophe

01:06:39.200 it's not

01:06:39.720 obvious at all

01:06:40.520 at least at

01:06:41.120 the present

01:06:41.500 time that

01:06:42.000 even if you

01:06:42.600 accept the

01:06:43.160 IPCC

01:06:43.840 climate change

01:06:44.860 prognostications

01:06:45.980 which you might

01:06:46.740 as well for

01:06:47.260 the sake of

01:06:47.740 argument

01:06:48.060 it is not

01:06:48.920 clear at all

01:06:49.600 that bending

01:06:50.560 and twisting

01:06:51.260 our entire

01:06:52.400 infrastructure

01:06:53.220 by compulsion

01:06:54.680 and force

01:06:55.440 immediately in

01:06:57.100 an emergency

01:06:57.800 reaction that

01:06:59.100 cedes all the

01:06:59.880 power to the

01:07:00.520 elite is

01:07:01.380 actually going

01:07:02.020 to solve

01:07:02.560 any of these

01:07:03.140 problems and

01:07:03.840 not make

01:07:04.360 them a lot

01:07:04.880 worse

01:07:05.340 that is a

01:07:06.700 very very

01:07:07.160 good point

01:07:07.920 and therein

01:07:08.760 lies the

01:07:09.200 problem that

01:07:10.200 that is not

01:07:11.780 their solution

01:07:12.700 their solution

01:07:14.320 is really one

01:07:15.420 to transform

01:07:16.920 the our

01:07:18.180 impact on

01:07:19.320 the environment

01:07:20.260 and they

01:07:20.660 believe that

01:07:21.720 we are

01:07:22.740 overpopulated

01:07:24.260 we have

01:07:24.820 too many

01:07:25.320 people

01:07:25.760 and so

01:07:26.680 we're

01:07:27.540 overconsuming

01:07:28.700 and because

01:07:29.800 of our

01:07:30.220 consumption

01:07:30.680 patterns

01:07:31.200 if we can

01:07:31.840 bring down

01:07:32.340 our consumption

01:07:32.860 patterns

01:07:33.900 then we

01:07:34.900 will be

01:07:35.400 able to

01:07:36.700 reduce

01:07:38.040 the impact

01:07:39.840 on the

01:07:40.260 environment

01:07:40.680 so that's

01:07:41.240 essentially

01:07:41.880 what they

01:07:42.740 are trying

01:07:43.180 to do

01:07:43.720 well that

01:07:44.320 argument

01:07:44.740 I put out

01:07:46.800 a YouTube

01:07:47.600 video last

01:07:48.440 week I

01:07:48.860 wrote an

01:07:49.180 article for

01:07:49.660 the Telegraph

01:07:50.320 about a

01:07:50.880 Deloitte

01:07:51.420 memo

01:07:52.200 report that

01:07:53.880 was produced

01:07:54.360 in May

01:07:54.820 and the

01:07:55.380 Deloitte

01:07:55.740 consultants

01:07:56.500 who are

01:07:57.480 the Davos

01:07:58.040 types

01:07:58.440 basically said

01:07:59.560 well you

01:08:00.400 know we're

01:08:00.700 facing this

01:08:01.300 environmental

01:08:01.740 catastrophe

01:08:02.380 and so we

01:08:02.960 got to put

01:08:03.340 the brakes

01:08:03.780 on economic

01:08:04.500 growth

01:08:04.980 and sure

01:08:05.680 that's going

01:08:06.180 to cause

01:08:06.560 some disruption

01:08:07.240 in the

01:08:07.580 short term

01:08:08.160 meaning you

01:08:09.260 know the

01:08:09.540 next five

01:08:10.220 decades

01:08:10.700 but it'll

01:08:11.820 be worth

01:08:12.300 it at some

01:08:13.040 point in the

01:08:13.540 future and

01:08:14.120 I think well

01:08:14.760 hold on a

01:08:15.380 second here

01:08:15.960 you put a

01:08:17.400 lot of

01:08:17.700 economic

01:08:18.140 pressure on

01:08:18.980 the world

01:08:19.680 supply chain

01:08:20.920 system food

01:08:21.740 production energy

01:08:22.600 you're going to

01:08:23.400 starve a lot of

01:08:24.040 really poor

01:08:24.460 people and

01:08:25.400 somehow you

01:08:25.920 think that's

01:08:26.500 okay it's

01:08:27.380 like here's

01:08:27.860 the deal the

01:08:28.580 apocalypse is so

01:08:29.520 nigh that we're

01:08:30.200 going to have to

01:08:30.780 throw a billion or

01:08:32.100 two billion people

01:08:32.980 into absolute

01:08:33.680 poverty again to

01:08:35.100 make things

01:08:35.780 better it's

01:08:37.000 like what's

01:08:38.320 your evidence

01:08:38.840 that's going to

01:08:39.440 make things

01:08:40.020 better is

01:08:41.380 Sri Lanka

01:08:41.980 your evidence

01:08:42.760 their aim is

01:08:44.100 is more

01:08:44.500 behavior modification

01:08:45.680 and behavior

01:08:46.940 modification of

01:08:48.320 largely industrialized

01:08:50.260 western nations

01:08:51.240 and so they can

01:08:52.700 track that if

01:08:54.120 everything is

01:08:55.340 digitized if

01:08:56.520 we all have

01:08:57.920 digital IDs if

01:09:00.240 our digital IDs

01:09:01.500 then are used

01:09:02.800 to facilitate

01:09:04.700 and navigate us

01:09:06.360 through society

01:09:07.220 so whether it

01:09:08.140 is financial

01:09:10.140 whether it's a

01:09:11.300 it's a purchase

01:09:12.160 whether it's

01:09:12.960 healthcare so

01:09:13.940 your digital ID

01:09:15.040 will be tied

01:09:15.840 into the system

01:09:16.700 and then you

01:09:17.320 can monitor

01:09:18.040 your consumption

01:09:19.840 based on that

01:09:21.540 even in the

01:09:22.240 United States

01:09:22.900 right now

01:09:23.380 like you could

01:09:23.960 go into

01:09:24.640 I think it's

01:09:25.180 Walgreens

01:09:25.760 and they have

01:09:26.660 coolers with

01:09:29.960 products inside

01:09:31.000 with locks on it

01:09:32.000 in the future

01:09:32.900 it's predicted

01:09:33.780 that those locks

01:09:35.160 you will be able

01:09:35.800 to put in your

01:09:36.380 digital ID

01:09:37.000 if you've had

01:09:37.580 too much sugar

01:09:38.360 that ice cream

01:09:39.580 fridge won't open

01:09:40.720 for you

01:09:41.220 and so it's

01:09:42.200 it's a way

01:09:42.780 to monitor

01:09:43.360 your behavior

01:09:44.620 and that's

01:09:45.820 what people

01:09:46.380 are not looking

01:09:47.260 at they're not

01:09:47.820 looking at all

01:09:48.680 of the promises

01:09:49.820 that have come

01:09:51.320 out of the

01:09:51.960 world economic

01:09:52.700 form and

01:09:53.760 they're not

01:09:54.160 taking it

01:09:54.660 very very

01:09:55.160 seriously

01:09:55.620 because we've

01:09:57.480 had Klaus Schwab

01:09:58.860 clearly state

01:10:00.660 that he has

01:10:02.100 penetrated

01:10:02.880 Canada's cabinet

01:10:03.900 and to me

01:10:05.000 that's a very

01:10:05.620 very serious

01:10:06.300 thing for a

01:10:07.380 global businessman

01:10:08.200 to say about

01:10:10.240 an independent

01:10:11.680 democracy

01:10:12.580 and we have

01:10:14.860 even our

01:10:15.500 finance minister

01:10:16.520 that's sitting

01:10:17.560 on the board

01:10:18.800 one of the boards

01:10:20.120 of the World

01:10:20.860 Economic Forum

01:10:21.640 many Canadians

01:10:23.120 are very very

01:10:24.000 concerned about

01:10:24.840 that and I

01:10:25.660 think as a

01:10:26.380 strong opposition

01:10:27.180 we need to ask

01:10:28.340 questions about

01:10:29.160 that because if

01:10:29.840 these are concerns

01:10:30.880 for Canadians

01:10:31.640 why are we

01:10:33.340 afraid to delve

01:10:34.780 into these issues

01:10:35.720 of someone who

01:10:36.760 has shown such

01:10:37.920 an utter

01:10:38.260 disrespect for

01:10:39.040 our democracy

01:10:39.760 to say that

01:10:40.600 he's penetrated

01:10:41.460 our cabinet

01:10:42.080 well you know

01:10:42.920 I talked to

01:10:43.600 some people

01:10:44.040 who went to

01:10:44.560 these Davos

01:10:45.200 conferences a

01:10:46.060 while back

01:10:46.680 and who stopped

01:10:48.800 going because of

01:10:49.660 the twist that

01:10:50.280 it took and I

01:10:50.900 said well I

01:10:52.080 asked them

01:10:52.580 very credible

01:10:53.380 people by the

01:10:54.100 way I asked

01:10:55.400 them well who

01:10:56.420 is Klaus Schwab

01:10:57.400 anyways and the

01:10:59.000 answer was well

01:11:00.540 he's a conference

01:11:01.340 organizer I

01:11:02.900 said well how

01:11:03.500 did he develop

01:11:04.860 such a position

01:11:05.680 of undue

01:11:06.240 influence and

01:11:06.940 they said well

01:11:07.440 he was very

01:11:08.400 good at

01:11:08.820 bringing what

01:11:11.080 would you say

01:11:11.520 influential people

01:11:12.460 together and

01:11:13.040 helping them

01:11:13.520 network and

01:11:14.180 that elevated

01:11:14.960 them into a

01:11:15.660 position of

01:11:16.340 well unparalleled

01:11:18.000 authority in some

01:11:18.900 sense it's like

01:11:19.580 yeah fine but

01:11:20.560 we're going to

01:11:21.560 sacrifice our

01:11:22.320 national sovereignty

01:11:23.220 to this

01:11:24.480 international cabal

01:11:25.700 of misinformed

01:11:26.880 what would you

01:11:28.520 call it

01:11:29.380 misinformed

01:11:31.000 low resolution

01:11:32.160 utopians who

01:11:33.900 are willing to

01:11:34.600 sacrifice the

01:11:35.640 world's poor

01:11:36.380 that's the

01:11:37.080 plan that

01:11:38.140 seems like a

01:11:38.740 really bad

01:11:39.240 plan okay so

01:11:40.400 let me let me

01:11:41.840 push back at

01:11:42.840 you on something

01:11:43.480 here so now

01:11:44.060 people who are

01:11:44.720 listening to this

01:11:45.440 especially critics

01:11:46.400 of the way that

01:11:47.480 you're thinking

01:11:48.000 are going to

01:11:48.840 say well there's

01:11:49.540 dr lewis getting

01:11:50.480 all conspiratorial

01:11:51.820 and you know

01:11:53.060 isn't that just

01:11:53.800 typical of a

01:11:54.600 social conservative

01:11:55.420 type so you

01:11:56.740 talked about the

01:11:57.460 danger of esgs

01:11:58.620 and everyone

01:11:59.100 listening should know

01:11:59.960 what those are

01:12:00.700 esg that's worse

01:12:02.220 than diversity

01:12:03.080 inclusivity and

01:12:04.400 equity by the way

01:12:05.320 by a large margin

01:12:06.460 and so there's

01:12:08.000 the esg problem

01:12:09.080 there's the digital

01:12:09.860 id problem there's

01:12:11.060 the globalist

01:12:11.840 utopian centralizing

01:12:13.420 problem why

01:12:14.540 shouldn't you just

01:12:15.460 be dismissed as

01:12:16.480 a socially

01:12:17.280 conservative

01:12:18.480 conspiracy theorist

01:12:20.260 what makes you

01:12:21.160 think and this is

01:12:22.820 really a serious

01:12:23.540 question you know

01:12:24.280 because the world's

01:12:25.020 pretty weird right

01:12:25.760 now and it's not

01:12:26.880 that easy to

01:12:28.020 protect yourself

01:12:29.180 against

01:12:29.720 becoming

01:12:30.260 conspiratorial

01:12:31.500 let's say

01:12:32.140 or seeing

01:12:33.660 conspiracies

01:12:34.420 what makes you

01:12:35.380 think that your

01:12:36.180 analysis of this

01:12:37.300 situation is

01:12:38.320 is balanced and

01:12:39.960 reasonable and

01:12:40.680 that canadians

01:12:41.440 could rely on

01:12:42.580 you for your

01:12:43.820 judicious wisdom

01:12:45.200 well you've

01:12:47.940 earned a phd

01:12:48.880 so you know the

01:12:50.020 grit and the

01:12:50.860 rigor that it

01:12:51.920 goes through to

01:12:52.720 that you go

01:12:53.160 through to earn

01:12:53.880 a phd so i

01:12:55.620 respect knowledge

01:12:57.400 any information

01:12:59.020 that i put out

01:12:59.680 there i it's

01:13:00.620 well researched

01:13:01.440 i often if

01:13:03.060 i'm quoting

01:13:03.680 somebody it's

01:13:04.500 from their

01:13:04.940 own words

01:13:05.640 the problem

01:13:06.420 is is that

01:13:07.160 the the term

01:13:08.180 conspiracy theory

01:13:09.320 has been used

01:13:10.840 to in order

01:13:12.100 to absolve

01:13:13.680 politicians of

01:13:14.900 their responsibility

01:13:15.880 to answer

01:13:16.580 questions it

01:13:17.740 is it it's a

01:13:19.080 psychop term

01:13:19.920 that that's been

01:13:21.040 used to gaslight

01:13:22.240 even right now

01:13:23.520 the united nations

01:13:24.480 has a program

01:13:26.420 that they put

01:13:27.120 out on

01:13:28.060 conspiracy theories

01:13:29.120 on how to deal

01:13:30.240 with a conspiracy

01:13:30.880 theory what they

01:13:31.780 tell you is that

01:13:32.700 if you see

01:13:33.700 something that you

01:13:34.420 don't agree with

01:13:35.120 that you believe

01:13:35.640 is a conspiracy

01:13:36.280 theory report

01:13:37.200 the person

01:13:37.960 write to their

01:13:38.920 editor this is

01:13:39.760 all a form of

01:13:40.860 bullying labeling

01:13:42.880 something as a

01:13:43.700 conspiracy theory is

01:13:44.920 an easy way for

01:13:46.560 you not to deal

01:13:47.920 with the issue

01:13:49.180 at hand by just

01:13:50.860 dismissing it

01:13:51.800 me someone

01:13:53.060 with a phd

01:13:54.120 i respect

01:13:55.320 knowledge and

01:13:56.680 i have taken

01:13:57.680 a lot of time

01:13:59.540 to write to

01:14:00.640 the members of

01:14:01.780 the conservative

01:14:02.380 party and

01:14:03.520 everything i write

01:14:04.580 i document it

01:14:05.740 at one point

01:14:06.780 when i was

01:14:07.340 telling people

01:14:08.060 that our

01:14:08.940 government

01:14:09.420 in enrolled

01:14:10.780 in a program

01:14:11.440 called the

01:14:11.940 known traveler

01:14:12.660 digital id

01:14:13.500 program which

01:14:15.080 is a world

01:14:15.960 economic forum

01:14:16.800 program people

01:14:18.000 said no that

01:14:18.980 cannot be

01:14:19.680 why would our

01:14:20.660 government in

01:14:21.440 enroll in the

01:14:22.300 known traveler

01:14:22.960 digital id

01:14:23.740 program with

01:14:24.540 the world

01:14:24.860 economic forum

01:14:25.680 when i sent

01:14:26.680 them the link

01:14:27.480 and they can

01:14:28.500 go directly to

01:14:29.520 can to the

01:14:30.460 government of

01:14:30.900 canada's website

01:14:31.700 they can see

01:14:32.480 that we actually

01:14:33.680 have done these

01:14:35.000 things so many

01:14:36.160 things what the

01:14:36.960 government does

01:14:37.760 is that they

01:14:39.120 they put people

01:14:40.720 in a place of

01:14:41.540 willful blindness

01:14:42.520 to make them

01:14:43.820 feel that

01:14:44.820 embarrassed

01:14:45.500 somehow for

01:14:46.620 actually listening

01:14:48.140 to the things

01:14:48.800 that they tell

01:14:49.400 them that they're

01:14:49.920 going to do

01:14:50.480 justin trudeau

01:14:52.000 after covid

01:14:53.320 said this

01:14:54.800 is an

01:14:55.280 opportunity

01:14:55.900 for us

01:14:57.060 to reset

01:14:58.040 and reimagine

01:14:59.360 our future

01:15:00.220 he said that

01:15:01.540 he used

01:15:02.220 those words

01:15:03.000 then when

01:15:03.760 people said

01:15:04.640 when people

01:15:05.760 said oh

01:15:06.400 this is what

01:15:07.180 you're planning

01:15:07.920 to do

01:15:08.380 then he says

01:15:08.920 oh no it's

01:15:09.460 a conspiracy

01:15:10.100 they're gaslighting

01:15:11.520 you and to be

01:15:12.560 honest with you

01:15:13.220 i'm a very

01:15:14.560 educated person

01:15:15.700 and and i

01:15:17.300 do not care

01:15:18.620 if somebody

01:15:19.540 labels me

01:15:20.240 a conspiracy

01:15:20.940 theorist

01:15:21.340 because it

01:15:21.740 just means

01:15:22.220 that they're

01:15:22.600 not intelligent

01:15:23.380 enough to

01:15:24.260 argue with me

01:15:25.000 that's all it

01:15:25.820 means and so

01:15:26.840 i really don't

01:15:27.860 care my goal

01:15:29.380 is i'm going

01:15:30.340 to save my

01:15:31.160 country i'm

01:15:32.140 going to do

01:15:32.540 everything that

01:15:33.380 i can to save

01:15:34.160 my country i'm

01:15:35.260 going to invest

01:15:36.080 every single

01:15:37.160 ounce of my

01:15:38.640 skill set to

01:15:40.080 making sure

01:15:41.180 that i remain

01:15:42.660 a canadian

01:15:43.440 citizen and not

01:15:44.480 a global citizen

01:15:45.460 and i am going

01:15:46.640 to continue to

01:15:47.800 inform people

01:15:48.820 so there's no

01:15:49.960 shame you can

01:15:50.840 call me anything

01:15:51.680 you want i'm

01:15:52.740 going to continue

01:15:53.440 to speak i'm

01:15:54.540 going to continue

01:15:55.160 to get my

01:15:55.680 message out there

01:15:56.380 and i'm going

01:15:57.000 to continue to

01:15:58.200 send canadians

01:15:59.380 information and

01:16:00.960 substantiate what

01:16:02.340 i say with

01:16:03.780 information so

01:16:05.060 canadians can be

01:16:06.100 informed about

01:16:06.940 what their

01:16:07.580 government is

01:16:08.540 planning for

01:16:09.220 them all

01:16:10.420 right so you're

01:16:11.140 in this race

01:16:11.880 with pauliev

01:16:12.820 shiresk

01:16:14.460 shireh

01:16:15.460 bobber and

01:16:16.700 aitchison and

01:16:18.140 pauliev is the

01:16:19.360 front runner at

01:16:20.820 the moment by

01:16:22.040 quite a substantial

01:16:22.880 margin you have

01:16:24.020 no but you but

01:16:24.900 you keep saying

01:16:25.780 that but you

01:16:26.520 haven't provided

01:16:27.220 me with any

01:16:27.760 documentation to

01:16:28.740 to substantiate

01:16:29.900 that in fact the

01:16:31.060 media will want

01:16:32.600 you to believe

01:16:33.200 that okay well

01:16:33.920 let me well let

01:16:34.720 me ask let me

01:16:35.500 ask you this let

01:16:36.540 me ask you this

01:16:37.580 then so my

01:16:39.320 understanding is

01:16:40.420 that pauliev was

01:16:42.020 ahead of the rest

01:16:43.460 of the candidates

01:16:44.300 on the conservative

01:16:45.300 front in terms of

01:16:46.280 number of

01:16:46.800 memberships sold

01:16:47.740 in the conservative

01:16:48.540 party is that

01:16:49.840 correct that's what

01:16:51.020 he said that's not

01:16:52.420 i i have seen no

01:16:53.860 proof of that that's

01:16:54.960 what he said he

01:16:55.840 revealed those

01:16:56.820 numbers i can tell

01:16:58.140 you that many of

01:16:58.840 the people that

01:16:59.460 signed up on his

01:17:00.280 website were my

01:17:01.740 supporters because

01:17:02.900 he sent messages to

01:17:04.620 everybody's supporters

01:17:05.800 telling them to sign

01:17:07.140 up on their

01:17:07.740 website so even a few

01:17:09.860 days before the

01:17:10.920 membership ended

01:17:11.920 people who had

01:17:13.100 already signed up

01:17:14.140 with me got a

01:17:15.360 message from his

01:17:16.540 campaign saying that

01:17:17.540 they were members

01:17:18.260 so they went and

01:17:19.480 re-signed so there

01:17:21.040 were a lot of

01:17:21.980 duplicates in there

01:17:22.900 so we do not have

01:17:24.360 the accurate numbers

01:17:25.780 on who sold what

01:17:27.260 where do you see

01:17:28.640 the relative

01:17:29.520 how do you

01:17:31.880 conceptualize the

01:17:32.700 relative standing

01:17:33.500 of the current

01:17:34.840 candidates within the

01:17:36.440 conservative membership

01:17:37.320 so just so that

01:17:38.440 everyone's listening

01:17:39.200 is clear so what

01:17:40.900 happens when a new

01:17:42.480 party member a party

01:17:44.140 leader is chosen is

01:17:45.240 that only party

01:17:46.340 members can vote and

01:17:48.020 so the first vote

01:17:48.860 in canada will be for

01:17:49.740 the leader of the

01:17:50.460 conservative party and

01:17:51.480 there's a number of

01:17:52.200 candidates who are

01:17:53.020 running and that vote

01:17:54.900 is in september in

01:17:56.000 mid-september and so

01:17:57.680 how do you see the

01:17:59.060 relative standing of

01:18:00.400 the current crop of

01:18:01.360 candidates within the

01:18:03.000 conservative party

01:18:04.000 so I sold I sold

01:18:06.960 substantially more

01:18:08.520 memberships this time

01:18:10.480 than the last time

01:18:12.040 when I won the

01:18:12.700 popular vote

01:18:13.460 I do not want to get

01:18:16.020 into the numbers

01:18:17.380 because when you add

01:18:18.580 up what Mr.

01:18:19.460 Polyev said

01:18:20.060 what Mr.

01:18:20.780 Brown said

01:18:21.400 the existing numbers

01:18:23.020 it's impossible

01:18:23.800 so I know that there

01:18:24.920 are untruths there

01:18:25.780 and I don't think

01:18:26.540 that there's any

01:18:27.060 benefit for me in

01:18:28.240 weighing in that way

01:18:29.160 what I can tell you

01:18:30.660 is that of

01:18:31.840 we now have the

01:18:32.920 membership list

01:18:33.700 and we've reached

01:18:34.760 out to the

01:18:35.200 membership list

01:18:35.920 I can tell you

01:18:36.900 Mr. Polyev is very

01:18:38.120 strong but Mr.

01:18:39.880 Sheree is not ahead

01:18:40.700 of me

01:18:41.020 the media will want

01:18:42.900 you to believe that

01:18:44.020 Mr. Sheree is ahead

01:18:45.180 of me because they

01:18:46.340 have been promoting

01:18:47.120 him in fact I've

01:18:48.500 done phenomenally

01:18:49.500 well with almost

01:18:51.260 no media attention

01:18:52.780 and the media will

01:18:54.520 try to push as much

01:18:56.400 as they can the

01:18:57.560 candidate that they

01:18:58.600 prefer of course

01:19:00.140 they don't prefer me

01:19:01.300 because I speak a

01:19:03.560 lot of truths that

01:19:04.640 they just do not

01:19:05.860 want to engage in

01:19:07.420 at this at this

01:19:08.380 time but Canadians

01:19:09.940 are listening

01:19:11.380 Canadians are doing

01:19:12.720 their research

01:19:13.400 there's lots of

01:19:14.200 information out there

01:19:15.140 and the membership

01:19:16.820 is very very

01:19:17.900 interested in a

01:19:19.280 number of issues

01:19:20.460 that people are

01:19:21.640 not talking about

01:19:22.740 such as the impact

01:19:24.660 of global

01:19:25.860 organizations upon

01:19:27.520 our sovereignty

01:19:29.260 right right which

01:19:30.740 seems to be a

01:19:31.400 particular a particular

01:19:32.560 and pointed concern

01:19:33.640 of yours and so

01:19:35.100 okay so let me ask

01:19:38.500 you then what

01:19:39.880 distinguishes you

01:19:40.920 apart from your

01:19:41.980 concern about the

01:19:43.860 influence undue

01:19:44.860 influence of these

01:19:45.640 international

01:19:46.180 organizations what

01:19:48.020 distinguishes you

01:19:49.380 from the other

01:19:50.120 candidates why should

01:19:51.500 Canadians vote for

01:19:52.580 you compared to

01:19:53.840 them and then also I

01:19:55.220 would like to hear

01:19:56.060 we've spent a lot

01:19:58.740 of time delving

01:19:59.560 into a criticism

01:20:00.740 let's say of the

01:20:02.080 utopian globalist

01:20:03.380 environmental top

01:20:04.460 down approach to

01:20:05.600 planetary stewardship

01:20:07.900 I'd like to hear

01:20:09.080 something about if

01:20:10.560 you could have the

01:20:11.260 Canada you wanted

01:20:12.420 it's Canada that you

01:20:13.600 would work towards

01:20:14.900 as leader of the

01:20:15.720 Conservative Party

01:20:16.480 and and and

01:20:17.520 punitive Prime

01:20:18.600 Minister what would

01:20:19.940 Canada look like

01:20:20.860 under your

01:20:21.360 stewardship let's

01:20:22.560 start with the

01:20:23.420 comparative question

01:20:25.120 first on the

01:20:25.860 Conservative front

01:20:26.560 what are you

01:20:27.100 offering what are

01:20:28.040 you bringing to

01:20:28.620 Canadians that

01:20:29.380 distinguishes you

01:20:30.200 from the other

01:20:30.760 candidates well I

01:20:32.740 am not a career

01:20:33.700 politician I have

01:20:35.800 just entered

01:20:36.600 politics and so I

01:20:38.600 can relate with

01:20:39.480 average Canadians I

01:20:40.540 know what it's like

01:20:41.440 to not know where

01:20:43.120 money is going to

01:20:43.900 come from to pay

01:20:45.220 your bills at the

01:20:46.140 end of the month I

01:20:47.480 know what it's like

01:20:48.700 to start a business

01:20:49.800 from ground up and

01:20:51.120 not be able to draw

01:20:52.640 a salary

01:20:53.280 because you have

01:20:54.100 to pay your

01:20:55.240 employees I

01:20:56.460 know what it's

01:20:57.040 like to stand in

01:20:58.340 a grocery line and

01:20:59.660 not know whether or

01:21:00.800 not your debit card

01:21:01.760 is going to go

01:21:02.280 through I can

01:21:03.200 connect with

01:21:03.680 average average

01:21:04.680 Canadians whereas

01:21:05.600 career politicians

01:21:07.020 they've had

01:21:08.220 paychecks that

01:21:09.340 have been given

01:21:09.900 to them by the

01:21:11.420 tax from the

01:21:12.180 taxpayers I have

01:21:13.840 signed the front

01:21:14.940 of a paycheck the

01:21:16.080 average politician

01:21:17.020 has only signed

01:21:17.740 the back of a

01:21:18.380 paycheck and so

01:21:19.660 that ability to

01:21:21.380 relate to average

01:21:22.260 Canadians is

01:21:23.020 something that I

01:21:23.680 think is very

01:21:24.140 important I

01:21:25.100 also think my

01:21:25.780 educational and

01:21:27.480 experiential background

01:21:28.760 is something that's

01:21:29.820 really topical and

01:21:31.100 needed at this

01:21:32.300 particular time in

01:21:33.760 our nation's

01:21:34.420 history at this

01:21:35.540 particular time as I

01:21:36.500 said we have a lot

01:21:37.880 of international

01:21:38.860 organizations encroaching

01:21:40.600 on our freedoms and

01:21:42.820 on and on our

01:21:44.300 liberties and somebody

01:21:45.880 with international

01:21:46.900 experience that can

01:21:48.260 dissect these treaties

01:21:49.840 and understand how

01:21:51.460 these treaties affect

01:21:53.140 our sovereignty is

01:21:54.880 very very important

01:21:56.160 I also believe as

01:21:58.000 as an educator I've

01:21:59.220 taught as I said at

01:22:00.260 York University

01:22:01.200 University of Toronto

01:22:02.080 Osgoode Hall Law

01:22:03.080 School and I am an

01:22:05.580 educator and so I can

01:22:06.880 break down complex

01:22:08.140 issues I don't speak to

01:22:10.240 Canadians through

01:22:11.480 slogans and talking

01:22:13.480 points I speak to their

01:22:15.120 hearts because I can

01:22:16.400 connect with them on

01:22:18.080 these issues and some

01:22:19.620 high-level issues that

01:22:21.500 most many politicians

01:22:22.840 would say it's not

01:22:24.260 worth discussing that

01:22:25.500 with them I am able

01:22:26.980 to communicate with

01:22:29.060 Canadians and give

01:22:31.100 them informative

01:22:32.540 information that will

01:22:34.600 allow them to make an

01:22:35.820 educated decision and I

01:22:37.420 think that that is

01:22:38.680 some of the main

01:22:39.820 differentiating factors

01:22:41.120 for me okay so you

01:22:43.740 I'm going to sum that

01:22:44.680 up so you said well

01:22:45.880 you you come from a

01:22:47.260 background that's

01:22:48.140 similar say economically

01:22:49.780 to the bulk of

01:22:51.540 Canadians you also have

01:22:52.660 that that struggling

01:22:53.880 immigrant experience

01:22:54.820 very close to you and

01:22:55.880 your family you you've

01:22:57.880 started your own

01:22:58.540 business I want to ask

01:22:59.700 you a few questions

01:23:00.500 about that so you're

01:23:01.600 familiar with with

01:23:03.620 what would you say

01:23:04.320 enterprise enterprises

01:23:06.160 on the entrepreneurial

01:23:06.860 front which is a big

01:23:08.280 deal you're very highly

01:23:09.700 educated person and one

01:23:11.080 of the things that is

01:23:12.680 very interesting about

01:23:13.620 your resume is that

01:23:14.620 your education is very

01:23:15.880 diverse especially

01:23:17.000 given your political

01:23:17.920 stance because you're

01:23:19.300 quite well versed in

01:23:20.520 post-modern and

01:23:21.740 Marxist thought given

01:23:22.880 your education in

01:23:24.660 sociology women's

01:23:25.960 studies and and

01:23:26.880 environmental studies

01:23:28.100 and then we can add to

01:23:29.820 that which I want to

01:23:30.800 talk about as well

01:23:31.600 your your legal studies

01:23:33.440 and then your teaching

01:23:34.400 so and then you're

01:23:36.300 also an educator and

01:23:37.960 so so that's a nice

01:23:39.640 that's a nice combination

01:23:40.700 as you said especially

01:23:42.000 now navigating the

01:23:43.100 complex things we're

01:23:43.940 navigating we got to

01:23:45.520 your master's degree at

01:23:47.020 York tell me a little

01:23:48.300 bit about two things

01:23:49.460 about your legal

01:23:51.020 training and your

01:23:52.220 teaching and then

01:23:53.080 about your business

01:23:54.000 so by way of

01:23:56.180 background legal

01:23:56.980 training I started off

01:23:58.020 on Bay Street in a

01:23:59.400 firm called Goodman

01:24:00.160 and Carr they've since

01:24:01.360 merged into different

01:24:02.680 firms and I had

01:24:05.080 quite good Bay Street

01:24:07.100 experience then I went

01:24:08.900 to Learners which is

01:24:10.200 also a large litigation

01:24:12.300 firm and then ended at

01:24:13.800 Thompson Rogers

01:24:14.540 thereafter I made the

01:24:16.080 decision to I thought

01:24:18.200 have a more balanced

01:24:19.680 life with young

01:24:21.720 children and a new

01:24:23.300 family and so we made

01:24:25.940 the decision that I

01:24:27.620 would start my own

01:24:28.940 business and that gave

01:24:30.540 me an opportunity to

01:24:32.860 to work late at night

01:24:34.920 at while being at home

01:24:36.060 wake up early in the

01:24:36.880 morning and and have

01:24:38.720 more quality time with

01:24:40.960 my family so you were

01:24:42.480 at some big firms and

01:24:44.240 and tell me also about

01:24:45.680 the details of your

01:24:46.660 of your legal education

01:24:48.020 you have a PhD in law

01:24:50.140 from from Osgoode Hall

01:24:51.720 from Osgoode from

01:24:52.840 Osgoode that's one of

01:24:53.680 Toronto or Canada's top

01:24:55.680 law schools by the way

01:24:56.680 and so you have that

01:24:58.300 that stellar legal

01:25:00.300 education which is not

01:25:01.400 an easy thing to obtain

01:25:02.500 and then you have large

01:25:04.340 law firm experience which

01:25:05.860 by the way is also not

01:25:06.900 easy to attain because

01:25:07.920 the application process

01:25:09.820 for articling at these

01:25:12.420 firms is extremely

01:25:13.360 intense and the process

01:25:15.160 of moving towards

01:25:16.080 partnership is extremely

01:25:18.460 competitive like and I

01:25:19.540 mean exceptionally

01:25:20.160 competitive and so then

01:25:21.540 you have small children

01:25:23.880 you have children and you

01:25:24.900 had a family you decided

01:25:25.920 to start your own firm

01:25:27.240 yes okay and tell me

01:25:29.480 about that tell me what

01:25:30.380 that was like and when

01:25:31.240 you did that oh that

01:25:32.900 that was really interesting

01:25:34.080 because so I came from

01:25:35.660 Bay Street which you have

01:25:37.480 large clients and

01:25:39.480 fortunately my last job

01:25:42.200 on Bay Street I was

01:25:43.540 working for a it was the

01:25:46.160 largest personal injury

01:25:47.160 law firm at that time and

01:25:48.960 so you had a combination

01:25:50.360 of corporate clients

01:25:53.220 insurance companies and

01:25:55.100 you also had personal

01:25:56.820 injury clients so I was

01:25:57.980 able to transition that

01:25:59.400 way because my clients

01:26:01.220 liked me and so I was

01:26:03.480 able to buy out my

01:26:05.700 clientele and transition

01:26:07.880 it to my new firm but

01:26:09.480 the problem is is that

01:26:10.520 personal injury the

01:26:11.820 lawyers have to carry

01:26:13.780 the the file so they pay

01:26:15.320 for all the medicals etc

01:26:17.160 because the the injured

01:26:20.540 party is usually not

01:26:22.160 working and so I that put

01:26:24.920 a lot of financial strain

01:26:26.420 it was we had I had

01:26:29.480 numerous discussions with

01:26:31.040 my husband about the

01:26:32.180 strain that it was putting

01:26:33.640 on our family being able to

01:26:35.180 do that because I had to

01:26:36.360 get a line of credit to

01:26:37.700 do that and so I had to

01:26:39.880 go for low-hanging fruit

01:26:41.420 because those claims

01:26:42.400 settle in two years so I

01:26:44.140 had to go for low-hanging

01:26:45.120 fruit so I decided to pick

01:26:47.500 up criminal law because

01:26:49.040 that way you could do quick

01:26:50.800 bail hearings and then I

01:26:52.520 was doing some duty

01:26:53.380 counsel per diem work which

01:26:55.280 would which basically you

01:26:57.440 were basically like a a

01:26:59.080 court lawyer a crown

01:27:00.760 lawyer but for the defense

01:27:03.160 side doing duty counsel and

01:27:05.340 you would get paid from the

01:27:07.020 government so I picked that

01:27:08.640 up doing that per diem

01:27:10.080 filling in and also then

01:27:13.520 trying to do some private

01:27:15.240 criminal cases in order to

01:27:17.240 sustain things as as I went

01:27:19.360 along and then after that I

01:27:21.120 had to pick up real estate

01:27:22.860 too to kind of make ends

01:27:25.260 meet and then I added on a

01:27:27.580 really unique area of

01:27:29.500 immigration so you were like a

01:27:31.540 sole practitioner initially in

01:27:33.080 just taking whichever files

01:27:34.480 because you had to pay the

01:27:35.660 bills and so I added on

01:27:38.080 immigration and then I

01:27:39.220 developed into a very niche

01:27:41.160 area of immigration dealing

01:27:43.440 with LGBTQ cases from

01:27:47.180 refugee cases of people who

01:27:49.400 were fleeing their country

01:27:50.660 because of LGBTQ plus

01:27:52.700 persecution.

01:27:53.680 Are you sure you're not a

01:27:55.020 closet leftist operative?

01:27:56.680 I mean you've got women's

01:27:57.820 studies you've got sociology and

01:27:59.480 environment and now you were a

01:28:01.020 lawyer on the LGBTQ plus front

01:28:04.100 on immigration issues.

01:28:06.080 I think you're I think you're

01:28:07.500 probably a Klaus Schwab plant.

01:28:10.060 No on refugee issues because

01:28:11.880 these people well we'll think

01:28:13.460 about it it no matter how what

01:28:16.420 your political beliefs are if you

01:28:17.820 see somebody being persecuted and

01:28:19.860 running for their life and is

01:28:22.240 going to be killed because of

01:28:24.180 their sexual orientation it's just

01:28:26.720 human humanity would tell you that

01:28:29.120 if you have skills you would lend

01:28:31.760 it to those individuals to me it's

01:28:34.300 it's a no-brainer right I had the

01:28:36.420 skill set that I could work in

01:28:38.360 these communities and and so I did

01:28:41.500 and so to me that's just a human

01:28:44.520 thing to do and I just live my life

01:28:46.660 like that I try to live my life to

01:28:50.000 honor my upbringing which is an

01:28:53.240 upbringing based on faith which is

01:28:55.780 loving your neighbor as yourself and

01:28:58.400 that means standing in a role that is

01:29:01.100 very non-judgmental of people and

01:29:04.200 doing the right thing and as a lawyer

01:29:06.820 I pledged to help those who are in

01:29:10.520 need to me it's no different than if

01:29:12.960 you're a criminal lawyer and you're put

01:29:14.900 on a a case where somebody it's it's a

01:29:19.720 murder case you may have to work on

01:29:21.340 that case so okay so so so we we

01:29:26.060 walk through what distinguishes you

01:29:27.580 from the other candidates and what you

01:29:30.020 bring to the table your your your

01:29:32.900 business acumen your legal extensive

01:29:34.880 legal training and practice in

01:29:36.460 multiple areas including large law

01:29:39.460 firms and then all these private

01:29:40.780 practice niches that you carved out

01:29:42.920 which I suspect would make quite a

01:29:45.060 story in and of itself as you're doing

01:29:47.000 that with small kids and a developing

01:29:49.120 family and outside the protective net of

01:29:51.240 the big law firms competitive as they

01:29:53.380 are a very diverse in the positive

01:29:57.020 sense of the word educational

01:29:58.420 background including an emphasis on

01:30:01.640 the kind of law that would make you an

01:30:03.820 astute analyst of international

01:30:06.020 agreements as well as an educator

01:30:07.720 final question I think before we switch

01:30:11.000 to the daily wire section which is a

01:30:13.600 behind-the-scenes look at the

01:30:15.040 development of your career if you

01:30:17.500 could have the Canada you wanted as

01:30:20.740 leader of the country 10 years down

01:30:23.420 the road what what would you focus and

01:30:26.760 concentrate on what would you bring to

01:30:28.680 the table for Canadians the most

01:30:32.440 important thing that I see is really our

01:30:34.540 freedoms and our sovereignty I would

01:30:36.680 want a Canada in which I am still a

01:30:39.660 Canadian citizen and I'm very concerned

01:30:42.120 that we are moving towards a global

01:30:44.460 citizenship and so the preservation of our

01:30:48.620 sovereignty would be one of the main

01:30:51.300 things that I focus on and in preserving

01:30:53.640 our sovereignty we need to preserve our

01:30:56.240 our institutions that that really make

01:31:01.420 this country great and right now what

01:31:03.600 we're seeing is a nihilistic approach to

01:31:07.300 eliminating all of the institutions upon

01:31:09.940 which this country was founded on we're

01:31:12.840 seeing an erosion of our military our

01:31:15.860 army an erosion you're seeing movements to

01:31:18.720 defund the police you're seeing an erosion

01:31:20.880 of our family parental rights parents are

01:31:24.980 feeling that they don't have the right to

01:31:26.880 raise their children in accordance with with

01:31:29.240 their own values parents are feeling that

01:31:31.880 that governments are encroaching too much on

01:31:35.760 their parental sovereignty and these are

01:31:38.200 loving parents who would ordinarily do the

01:31:41.860 right thing but governments are stepping in

01:31:45.220 locus parentis and and acting as if they are

01:31:49.000 the guardians and the sole custodians over

01:31:52.120 children and they have stated that and we have

01:31:54.740 seen even some United Nations programs if you

01:31:58.200 look at the comprehensive sex education program

01:32:00.600 that the United Nations is pushing with

01:32:03.800 Planned Parenthood you can see that there's an

01:32:07.440 undermining of of of the the fabric of of our

01:32:11.780 of our society in in terms of in terms of

01:32:17.260 parental rights and in terms of what parents

01:32:20.000 believe that their children should be exposed to at

01:32:23.420 a age appropriate level okay so you're looking

01:32:27.980 at a platform that insists upon individual

01:32:33.260 autonomy and responsibility the same thing being

01:32:36.360 true at the family level the same thing being

01:32:39.240 true at the civic level and then preservation

01:32:42.440 of Canadian sovereignty and and yes yes at the

01:32:45.580 economic level the economic level is imperative

01:32:49.200 also because that is what I believe is is going

01:32:53.380 to be the impetus in in transitioning us from a

01:32:57.160 from a Canadian citizenship to global citizenship so

01:33:01.500 we have to ensure that we can continue to remain economically

01:33:07.320 viable bringing our supply chains home making sure that we

01:33:11.960 produce what we need in order to sustain ourselves optimizing our

01:33:17.460 potential encouraging industries like in our agricultural industry

01:33:23.320 encouraging our resource development being good stewards of of the resources

01:33:31.500 that we have been granted right now even off the coast of the Arctic we have

01:33:36.780 countries like China and Russia actually mining freely mining our minerals we have

01:33:42.240 no protection of that why because we have not invested in our military Russia

01:33:47.320 has 40 submarine ice breakers we have zero we don't have we we don't even have the capacity to protect

01:33:55.160 our own resources in our own Arctic and so a functioning and vibrant Canada

01:34:01.760 recognizes not just investment in our human potential in this the fabric of our society

01:34:07.480 but also recognizing that we can be self-sustaining both economically and politically and when I say

01:34:14.720 politically I mean from a standpoint of of keeping global organizations at bay and recognizing our

01:34:23.820 sovereignty and not taking our cues from organizations like the WEF the World Economic Forum

01:34:30.700 the WHO the the World Health Organization and the United Nations we need to ensure that any treaties

01:34:39.580 that we sign on to does not undermine our national sovereignty

01:34:44.880 all right well

01:34:46.520 that sounds like a fairly comprehensive package it reminds me there's a principle of

01:34:52.720 subsidiarity I think that was originally insisted upon by the Catholics but that's

01:34:56.900 become part of conservative political doctrine which is that

01:35:01.100 every responsibility should be meted out

01:35:04.420 to the most proximal possible source so for example for each individual has a domain of

01:35:10.900 responsibility that shouldn't be encroached on by the family and each family has a domain of

01:35:15.720 responsibility that shouldn't be encroached on by the community and the towns have their level

01:35:21.140 that the provinces and states should leave alone and the states have their level that their federal

01:35:26.000 government should leave alone and so forth and so an intelligent conservatism distributes

01:35:31.680 responsibility all the way down the hierarchy to the level of the individual and that protects us

01:35:36.540 against the kind of tower of babble global overreach that the utopian globalists seem to be

01:35:45.120 insisting upon compelling us to support and so you see yourself as far as I can tell I don't believe

01:35:51.460 I'm putting words into your mouth as a as a locus of resistance and alternative vision to that top-down

01:35:59.660 utopian um scheming um scheming let's say does that seem reasonable oh absolutely that that's a very

01:36:07.560 succinctly summarizes exactly how I feel and looking at the last two years we have seen the manifestation

01:36:15.860 of that frustration that comes out of that utopian ideal and we witnessed that in in the trucker protest

01:36:23.660 and we also that that is such a good example of how our systems our institutions are breaking down

01:36:30.900 when we look at the coverage that the truckers got it was it was really a lot of lies that the media

01:36:38.640 spread about russian collusion and intervention and and made it seem like a violent protest even though

01:36:45.520 I walked to to parliament every single day and so did the other mps and we actually saw things that

01:36:53.240 were very very communal focused uh kids on jumping castles people cooking for each other we uh witness

01:37:00.880 uh groups of people coming together whether they're Sikhs or uh Christians and praying and praying for the

01:37:07.140 country and so the the coverage that we saw from our media was extremely atrocious and it it shows you

01:37:14.240 that we do not have a functioning legacy media um right now they are acting as an arm of the liberal

01:37:22.120 liberal government and that is not healthy for a democracy and so we have to start uh looking at how we

01:37:29.760 can um realign many of these institutions that have under this utopian ideal have now started to

01:37:38.840 disintegrate it's it's very important and when we look at um even what we're seeing here we are having

01:37:45.900 um vestiges of of of the coercive state apparatus left over right now we still have the arrive can app

01:37:54.120 fully mobile where canadians cannot come into their own country even though their passport allows them to

01:38:02.060 have free entry in and out our charter of rights under section two of the charter guarantees our freedom

01:38:08.960 of mobility yet we have an app that we know that the government has has disclosed that that app should

01:38:16.580 only be used in mandatory situations where there is a a global pandemic or where there is an emergency

01:38:24.140 order we know that no such order is in place yet we still have the remnants of of that totalitarian

01:38:32.280 coercive state apparatus pushed on us and those are the things that we have to continue to push back on

01:38:38.940 for um us to continue to have our freedom upheld we have to continue to say these things um are

01:38:48.620 contrary to our charter yeah and to the spirit of the spirit that's made canada one of the leading

01:38:55.380 democracies and shining lights in the world absolutely you know we have a crisis of trust i would say

01:39:02.400 in the west and maybe in the world at large and that's a very bad thing because trust is the

01:39:07.260 fundamental currency why are you convinced personally that you could be entrusted with a task such as

01:39:16.140 this and why should canadians take the confidence that you and your family let's say have in you why

01:39:22.720 should they take that seriously like why should you be believed and trusted and you know and what

01:39:29.580 concerns do you have about that oh it's a great question because to be honest with you i'm i'm involved

01:39:37.360 in politics i don't like politics and and i put out a a letter to that effect to the members the other

01:39:45.840 day and and many people were shocked for me to say that i don't like it i don't like it because i find it

01:39:51.380 very contrived i find that um that politicians will say things because they know either the polls agree

01:39:59.920 with them or they'll get a vote um personally i don't care about that at the beginning when i was a

01:40:07.080 very early i was just a few months into being a member of parliament i had to make the tough decision

01:40:13.600 i believed in medical privacy and i saw that what our government was doing was infringing

01:40:21.460 on people's personal private medical histories and i knew that at that time at that time i knew that

01:40:28.180 the vaccine didn't prevent um you getting covid or spreading covid and so i was trying to understand

01:40:35.760 intellectually what all of this was about why were we creating a segregation society why did we have

01:40:42.520 all these rules when we knew the truth of of um of that it was just basically personal responsibility

01:40:50.580 and informed consent if you wanted to take the the vaccine and so i made the tough decision of not

01:40:58.200 divulging my vaccination status even though i knew that i would not get a shadow cabinet position i said

01:41:04.520 cost it what it may and i also made the tough decision of wrapping up my law firm i wanted that firm to

01:41:12.120 continue and i had lawyers that were trained but um to to continue with it but it was taking so much of

01:41:18.080 my time even to to just keep it going and i knew that i had to devote all of my energy into saving and

01:41:28.460 assisting my country down a path of of of continuing our sovereignty and so i've given up a lot and i believe

01:41:38.560 and i've and i've also um i'm not doing this for for money i was at the highest income earning potential

01:41:46.120 um and had great opportunities i another thing you probably say how did she do so many things but

01:41:52.860 i was representing a number of canadian corporations abroad on um energy products and so i it was a very

01:42:01.540 lucrative time for me and uh leaving leaving a viable practice and also leaving the prospect of

01:42:11.780 being able to teach again in university are huge sacrifices and i believe that for you to make those

01:42:19.160 sacrifices um it demonstrates a level of of trust that you can have in that person that they're doing

01:42:27.680 it for the right reason it's not just a job it's not just a paycheck and whether or not i i i win this

01:42:37.040 leadership race i am very content that once you rub that genie in the bottle and that genie comes out

01:42:44.240 there are issues that nobody else are talking about that i have brought out and that the canadian

01:42:51.420 public now knows that they have a voice in parliament that even if they come after my reputation no

01:42:57.460 matter what they do i'm still going to be that voice of canadians and so i think that when you

01:43:03.580 lay down your reputation in that way and when you lend yourself to be a servant of the people in that way

01:43:10.200 that um that earns trust and trust is something that can't be demanded it's something that is earned

01:43:17.500 that's a pretty uh ringing answer i would say it's so delightful to be able to sit down in these long

01:43:25.040 forms and have a real discussion about such things that isn't reduced to sound bites and that isn't

01:43:31.780 a mere reflection of yesterday's idiot opinion poll um this has been a great conversation i'm doing

01:43:39.140 these 30 minute interviews with all my guests now discussing the uh intricacies of their successful

01:43:46.340 careers and their journey forward personally and the challenges that are associated with that

01:43:51.120 thank you very much dr lewis i appreciate you taking the time to do this i hope that everyone

01:43:56.460 listening has found this enlightening and useful as i did it's nice to get to know you and to see

01:44:03.120 well how much ground you've covered before entering this political territory which i think is a credit to

01:44:09.380 your you know not putting the cart before the horse it's nice to see someone emerge on the political

01:44:14.640 scene who has the wealth of experience that you do in all these domains that make you a credible

01:44:20.640 candidate on the national leadership front hello everyone i would encourage you to continue

01:44:27.020 listening to my conversation with my guest on dailywireplus.com

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