322. College of Psychologists vs Jordan B Peterson ｜ Mikhaila Peterson
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Summary
In this episode, Dr. Jordan B. Peterson's daughter, Michaela, interviews her father about her father's ongoing battle with the Ontario College of Psychologists. Dr. Peterson has been accused of "unprofessional conduct" by the organization, and has been ordered to undergo a re-education course in social media communication. He also faces the possibility of losing his license to practice psychology in Ontario, Canada. Michaela and her father discuss the situation, and whether or not they think Dr. B. is a victim of a "Woke Ideology" driven by a "Social Justice Vipers" agenda, or whether the College is simply a corrupt, leftist organization run by social justice vipers who are hell-bent on serving their own brand of personal pathology and vindictiveness. In this episode of his new YouTube series, "Depression and Anxiety: A Guide to Recovery from Depression and Depression," Dr. P. offers a roadmap to recovery from depression and anxiety. With decades of experience helping patients with similar conditions, he offers a unique understanding of why you might be feeling this way. He provides a roadmap towards healing, and a roadmap toward finding your way forward. If you're suffering, please know you are not alone. There's hope, and there's a path to feeling better. Go to Daily Wire Plus now and start watching his new series on Depression and Anxiety. Let this be the first step towards the brighter future you deserve. -Let this be a step towards a brighter, more positive, more productive, more fulfilled life. . Dr. Jordan B Peterson is a new series that could be a lifeline for those struggling with depression, anxiety, and depression, and post-depression, and PTSD, and we know how to find a way to feel better. I want to reach out to those listening who may be struggling, and help them find a place where they can feel better by listening to this podcast. Thank you for listening to his podcast, and I hope you find some solace in this episode. I love you, I really do appreciate you, and I appreciate your support and support you, thank you for being a good listen and listening to my work. xo -JORDAN B. PETERSON (A very special thank you, my love and appreciation, Michaela , and I am so grateful for you, too, my daughter, for being kind and appreciative of your support.
Transcript
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Hello everybody watching and listening on YouTube and perhaps on the Daily Wire Plus platform.
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I'm having a discussion today with my daughter Michaela.
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I asked her to interview me, I suppose, about what's happening in Toronto, Ontario, Canada at the moment on the professional front relationship to me.
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The Ontario College of Psychologists, which is the board that regulates the practice of psychology in Ontario and hypothetically protects the public interest,
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has levied a series of what are in essence lawsuits against me for unprofessional conduct pertaining primarily to my social media communication.
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And so they have decided in their wisdom that I am to be required to undertake a series of re-education lessons
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designed to ensure that I communicate in a manner they deem appropriate.
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And I have told them that there are no circumstances I can imagine under which I would be willing to do that.
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And the next step is to bring me before a public disciplinary hearing and then to suspend my clinical license.
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And so I'm making all of this public because I think people need to weigh in on whether I'm an alt-right Nazi,
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harmful, you know, bastion of intolerable political thought with a troll-like army of pathological followers,
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or whether the college itself is a corrupt nest of social justice vipers,
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hell-bent on envy and revenge and using the tiny fraction of people who are complaining
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to put forward their own brand of personal pathology and vindictiveness.
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And, well, I'll make everything public except for that which I can't do on legal grounds
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In any case, Michaela is going to talk to me for 90 minutes.
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And we're going to walk through some of this and maybe you'll find that interesting and maybe you won't.
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Well, that's, I guess, what you'll figure out if you listen to the talk.
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One reason might be, it's my opinion that the regulatory boards that govern professional conduct
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in Canada, particularly in the U.S. as well and in the West more broadly,
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have become so corrupted by the woke ideology that the professionals you depend on in moments of crisis
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for legal advice and medical advice and psychological counseling,
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some of which can be life and reputation saving,
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they can no longer be trusted because they're being required by the professional bodies to lie to you
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in the service of this warped, radical leftist ideology that's now become,
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what would you call it, mandatory for right speakers wherever they might exist.
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And so that's why you might want to listen and decide for yourself whether you think that might be true.
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Hey guys, I'm coming on my dad's channel to interview him
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because he's dealing with some serious things right now, like usual, kind of like usual.
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So first off, how are you? How are you doing, dad?
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I've been preparing my public response to the decision of the Ontario College of Psychologists
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to require me to do mandatory social media communication retraining.
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They've, they have, the College of Psychologists is the regulatory board for the practice of psychology in Ontario.
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There are a variety of regulated professions, medicine, dentistry, teaching, architecture, psychology.
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And these regulated professions have a board that's appointed by the government
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whose mandate is to protect the public from unprofessional behavior
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on the part of the members of the regulated professions.
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And people can submit complaints to those bodies if they believe that they've been treated unprofessionally
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or unethically or otherwise inappropriately by a college member.
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And the college has been after me non-stop with complaints since I rose to public prominence in 2016,
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although not once before that in the 20 years that I practiced as a clinical psychologist.
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So this isn't the university that's after me like it was in 2017, 2016.
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This is the College of Psychologists, which has started pursuing me in 2016 and has never let up.
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Now what happens is that people, anyone anywhere can submit a complaint about me
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for anything I've done or said, hypothetical or otherwise.
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And then the college can, and that doesn't matter if they're a client of mine or ever have been,
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or even if they're the person who has hypothetically been harmed by my behavior.
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And the college has decided to pursue a sequence of such complaints,
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even though it's in their power to dismiss them as vexatious or frivolous,
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on the grounds that my social media communication has caused harm to people.
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And so they've essentially taken out what are the equivalent of more than a dozen lawsuits against me.
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And I say they're equivalent to lawsuits because the penalty for being found guilty of such misbehavior is quite serious.
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It can involve re-education, public apology, or even the removal of my ability to practice
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or to describe myself as a clinical psychologist.
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And, of course, it took me about 10 years, all things considered, to get licensed.
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It's a very difficult process, and I'm not inclined to give it up lightly.
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In any case, they have been after me to a tremendous degree in 2022.
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I think there's 13 or 14 complaints, each of which culminated in one of these lawsuits.
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There's so many of them that they're difficult to keep track of.
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I probably went through 400 pages of documentation this week.
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Well, you know, first of all, I found it extremely difficult to keep my rage under control
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because a tremendous amount of my time is being wasted.
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The allegations are not only utterly preposterous, but entirely political in nature.
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You know, the first complaint came in 2017, 2016 in December, at the same time the university
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was after me, and at the same time the Canadian Revenue authorities were after me for a mistake
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And you remember, that was an extremely stressful time.
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I was accused at that point of inappropriate personal conduct in relationship to one of my clients.
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All of that was dismissed, by the way, without hesitation, although the college did decide
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at that point because they needed to decide I was guilty of something, even though I wasn't
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guilty of what I was most seriously accused of.
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They decided I hadn't handled my email properly at that point when I was getting thousands of emails
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a day, and that that made it difficult for my clients to get a hold of me, even though I had given
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every single one of my clients my personal phone number and could contact me by text,
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which is something, by the way, that psychologists never do, you know, for obvious reasons.
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So in any case, it's been a continuous stream of investigations and legal defense.
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Since then, I found that kind of accusation of serious personal misconduct unbelievably stressful
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And then I didn't really want to revisit it, you know, and so I started going through
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all that documentation last week so that I could lay out everything that's been levied at me.
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And, you know, I went through all that stuff from 2017.
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Even talking about it now, it makes me shake to some degree.
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I, like, just about fainted three or four times and, you know, had a real hard time keeping myself
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It's very off-putting to, let's say, to have attempted to conduct myself extremely carefully
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in my professional occupations as a professor and as a clinical psychologist for decades,
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Of course, I never had any behavioral accusations levied against me at Harvard or the University
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In the 30 years I was a professor and 20 years of private practice.
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And then to be accused of serious personal misconduct, the essential claim was my seductive behavior
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And the evidence offered was that when I was offering my advice, I would spin my wedding
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But the college has a tremendous gavel to wield, a tremendous hammer, and to have that brought
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You know, and I've known a lot of people now who've been investigated for that sort of
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thing by mobs, let's say, of one form or another.
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So when I revisited all this, it was really, and I'd probably been avoiding doing it to
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You know, although, you know, we had to wait until we moved forward with our legal challenge
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And no wonder, you know, it really lit me on fire again when I was going through this
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But one of the upsides was, you know, I reviewed the, and organized the complaints that are
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levied against me now, the accusations for which I've already been sentenced, essentially.
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And the upside of it was that, well, these accusations are so incredibly preposterous and political
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You know, I'm literally being, well, the requirement is, so the college has decided after,
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pursuing these complaints, that I don't know how to regulate my behavior properly in my
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And so I need to be taught by their experts how to conduct myself appropriately.
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And so I have to undergo a series of courses, one-on-one coaching sessions with their deemed
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And they're going to tell me how I should craft my words and what I should say and what I
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It's about $250 an hour, which, you know, in our current circumstances, isn't a concern
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But you can understand that for many people, that would be tremendously burdensome.
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And the person who's teaching me is going to submit regular reports to the college, and
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they're going to decide when I've learned how to be the sort of person I should be so that
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I don't bring disgrace upon the profession and harm people.
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And so the claims of harm are absolutely unwarranted.
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Not a single person who submitted a complaint in this latest round is a client of mine, although
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And the college pursued their complaints anyways.
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Well, I think some of it is they're probably confused about how they're required to identify
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Or they're just unstable people who spend their time complaining about celebrities on Twitter.
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If that's what you're doing with your life, you're probably not the most stable person.
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And yeah, and so anyways, I've gone through all these complaints.
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I retweeted Pierre Poliev, who's Canada's leader of the opposition, when he was making, when
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I just retweeted him and I said, I said essentially that I agreed with him.
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They listed the fact that I criticized Justin Trudeau on multiple occasions.
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There's a complaint that at one point the police in Ottawa were threatening to act with
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children's aid to take the children away from the truckers in Ottawa and apprehend them on
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the grounds that their parents who were involved in the protest were endangering them.
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And I tweeted and said, I'm not so sure that we should get the police involved in taking
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And apparently that makes me an untrustworthy advocate for child, advocate for children who
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And so if it comes to your attention that someone has been abused, you're mandated to report
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And so apparently I'm now untrustworthy in that regard because I didn't want the police
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to conspire with idiot social workers in Ottawa to apprehend the children of protesters.
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And so that's another example of my reprehensible behavior.
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I'm being called out for the fact that I objected to Ellen Page's surgical mutilation at the hands
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of her physicians and her consequent advertisement of her new torso on social media.
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And I'm also required to submit to this media retraining education because I objected to the Sports
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Illustrated cover of that relatively overweight young model.
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And there's other complaints, but that's the bulk of them.
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Oh, I tweeted out to Jacinda Ardern that I was coming to New Zealand with my army of
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alt-right wing trolls, you know, which was clearly a joke.
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And that's also a complaint because I guess that sort of joke isn't funny when you're dealing
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with, you know, woke progressives like Jacinda Ardern and Justin Trudeau.
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And so, oh yes, I counseled people to commit suicide.
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Yeah, yeah, well, somebody had tweeted out their idea that the planet had too many people
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And this is not a statement I am very fond of because every time I hear someone say that,
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I think, okay, who exactly are these excess people that you're referring to?
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And how do you know that when they decide that something terrible won't happen given that
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And isn't it okay if I question the humanitarian intent of your motives for making such a reprehensible
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And so I tweeted to someone who made an argument like that, I tweeted and said, feel free to leave
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And which is obviously an ironic joke, but some bloody social worker in the United States
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decided that that was like an incitation to suicide and so complained about that.
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And yeah, and so, and that's, I think, I think that's all the complaints.
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Not a single one of them was levied by a client of mine, present or former.
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Not a single one of them was levied by anyone I had actually said anything directly to,
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There's no evidence whatsoever that I've produced anything regarding harm because no one has stepped
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So it's third-party indirect supposition of so-called harm to someone they don't know.
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And that's the level of evidence that the College of Psychologists is willing to accept as critical.
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You know, now, when they responded to me, they said that I've, you know, brought disgrace
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to the profession and caused undue harm to people.
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And I responded, I'll make this public too, with about 40 questions about their methods.
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Said, well, before I submit myself to this media training re-education, because I'm bound
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by the ethical standards of my profession, I'm not willing to go get educated unless there's
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evidence that the contents of the educational program are directly related to the practice
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And that there's evidence that undertaking such re-education actually makes me a more competent
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Do you have any independent documentation that these experts that you have hired and foisted
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upon me have anything approximating genuine expertise?
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And do you have any evidence whatsoever that such training programs are effective?
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And of course, they said, we don't have to answer questions like that.
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And I asked them, I said, you know, there's some evidence that I've done some good in the
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About 7 million people bought my first public book, and I have 15 million subscribers on
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the three main platforms we operate on, on social media.
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And lots of people seem to come to my lectures when I am out publicly speaking, saying that I've
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really helped them in their lives, and that's thousands or hundreds of thousands or possibly
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And so I think I can stack up a pretty good, plus all the students that I taught at Harvard
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and the University of Toronto, and all my clinical clients, who by and large were pretty damn
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It's like, how do you calculate the harm to benefit ratio?
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So, and, you know, what evidence do you have that I actually constitute a sufficient threat
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to the integrity of the profession that you're willing to bring the second harshest actions
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And the answer to that was, we don't have to answer questions like that.
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And I had like 40 questions like that, none of which were answered.
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Their answer basically was, we can do whatever the hell we want.
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And we're telling you, you better go get re-educated, or you face a disciplinary hearing.
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That's the next step, is that I'd have to face a disciplinary hearing.
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And what I'm going to do for that, I do believe they videotape that, and I'll take the videotape
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and put it on my YouTube channel, and people can decide for themselves, which is exactly
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Like, you and I talked about our strategy here, you know, and I have been unbelievably angry
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about this, so it's been very hard for me to control my anger, you know, and I know that's
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not right, and that my desire to seek vengeance is inappropriate, as is the desire in general
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But it's very difficult to read through these allegations and to face this waste of my time
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and the stress it puts on us, to me and your mother and, well, and our whole family, without
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being outraged at this, you know, and a lot of the battle for the last couple of weeks
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But you and I, we talked through this, and I talked through it with your mum and with Julian,
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you know, about the fact that our attitude in general has been just to tell everybody
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what's going on as clearly as we possibly can, and I want to make it all public, I'm preparing
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a document today redacting all the names of the complainants, which I have been provided
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I'm going to redact all their names and identifying information.
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Like, you'd think that if you were a problematic psychologist, you shouldn't be provided with
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Yeah, well, I don't know what to make of that, and it's also problematic that people
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can levy accusations that bring down the heavy hand of a bureaucratic organization and bear
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But in a sane society, so that would have been Canada up until about five or six years ago,
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people didn't weaponize the colleges, generally speaking.
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You know, professionals weren't afraid of their regulatory bodies, because generally the
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only people who complained were either people who were clearly disturbed, you know, in some
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fundamental sense, or people who had legitimate reason to believe that they had suffered harm
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as a consequence of unprofessional behavior on the part of a lawyer or teacher or physician
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But the radical leftist types have figured out how to weaponize these investigative boards,
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and the boards themselves have become staffed pretty much uniformly with social justice-oriented,
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politically correct, faux-compassionate, narcissistic commissars.
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And they do everything they can to make life miserable for anyone who doesn't share their
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I mean, it's actually almost beyond comprehension to me that I'm engaged in a battle in my country
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of Canada, where I have to defend my right to practice my profession as a licensed psychologist.
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And I would say, especially with my educational pedigree, I mean, Jesus, I was a professor at
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And the fact that I have to defend my right to conduct my own profession because I retweeted
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a tweet from the official leader of Canada's Conservative Opposition Party and criticized
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Justin Trudeau and have made, at least upon occasion, conservative political pronouncements.
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The fact that that has now made me subject to heavy-handed punishment and investigation by a government-sponsored
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regulatory board is, I just, it's absolutely incomprehensible.
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And so that's also, I would say, difficult emotionally because I just can't believe it's happening.
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And so, I mean, and it's, you know, the other thing I think, too, it's so strategically foolish
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I mean, it's one thing to go after me for, let's say, saying something not so pleasant about
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Ellen Page or about the swimsuit illustrated model.
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At least you could have an argument about whether or not I was using undue force in my argumentation
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But to pillory me for engaging in what are clearly political conversations is, well,
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And so, you know, and that makes me think, well, you know, is it just me?
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You know, because people tweet out at me, well, Peterson, you always seem to be in trouble
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It's like where there's smoke, there's fire, you know, and I can understand why people think
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And if something happens to you repeatedly, you have to start wondering if it's you or the
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situation, but the way that I'm dealing with this, the way that we've dealt with this as
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a family right from the beginning is just to make it all public, right?
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And to allow light to be shone on the situation and to derive our conclusions mostly as a consequence
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And I'm trying to do exactly the same thing here.
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And when someone comes after me with accusations, I'm very likely to assume that there is a core
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And, but I also believe that I have the right to defend myself.
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And one of the ways of doing that in this situation, this is why we're having this conversation
00:29:45.080
is, I don't believe, I don't have faith that I can expect fair treatment at the hands of
00:29:52.360
And I also don't have any faith, partly because I've talked to a bunch of my legal friends.
00:29:56.780
I don't have a lot of faith in the Canadian judiciary.
00:29:59.780
I mean, people have told me, law professors have told me now that they see continually.
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Canadian courts who are extremely activist in nature, dispensing completely with such
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niceties as common law precedent when they're rendering their judgments.
00:30:14.360
And so, I certainly don't believe that the College of Psychologists will treat me fairly.
00:30:22.840
And I don't believe that even if we push this forward on the judicial front, which is our
00:30:28.180
plan at the moment, like implementing a challenge to their ruling, for example, on Canadian constitutional
00:30:34.540
grounds, because at least in principle, we have the right to free speech and freedom
00:30:37.800
of conscience in this country, although I don't think we do.
00:30:42.500
Yeah, the protection, as turned out, with the Canadian Charter of Rights is an unbelievably
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weak and poorly written document that provides Canadians with almost no protection for their
00:30:53.360
It was definitely a giant step backwards in relationship to the English common law tradition.
00:30:58.720
And we're now subject to an extraordinarily badly written document whose fundamental propositions
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can be superseded by the government any time they think there's a sufficiently dire state
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So, I'm making it public and people can decide for themselves.
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I'll release every bit of correspondence between the College and me over the next few days,
00:31:30.320
I've been ambivalent about that, too, because part of me thinks, well, these people who are
00:31:34.180
complaining to me, they shouldn't get to do it anonymously and hidden away from any consequences
00:31:42.000
But I believe that I'm legally and hypothetically, ethically required to maintain privacy, even in
00:31:50.500
the face of these, what are essentially legal attacks.
00:31:53.940
And, you know, like I said, I'm ambivalent about that because I don't see why I should
00:31:58.480
be made public in such a manner without my accusers having to bear the weight of some
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responsibility for weaponizing this bureaucracy against me.
00:32:11.320
Now, whatever, it doesn't matter because I'm not going to do it.
00:32:14.320
It's because you've been harming people on Twitter and they're saving people from your
00:32:22.520
Well, you know, it's also been difficult to formulate a defense because I'm not even
00:32:27.940
And this is, I think, part and parcel either of the ignorance of the college or their
00:32:37.000
So, for example, one of the complaints submitted as evidence the entire transcript of my three
00:32:44.900
And so, you know, and I said all sorts of horrible things on that.
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You know, I mean, I think they were objecting primarily to my comments about climate change
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models and the apocalyptic conclusions that have been derived from them.
00:33:06.480
And, you know, and complaining that I'm not a scientist and bloody well, I am a scientist,
00:33:12.440
I have 100 scientific publications and that's a lot.
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And I can read a scientific paper and understand it, unlike those who are accusing me or the
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And so I'm perfectly capable of understanding a scientific paper.
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And I believe, and many scientists who are very solid scientists, like Richard Franzen of MIT,
00:33:34.020
who has a pedigree that's absolutely impeccable, agree with everything I said.
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But my claim is, is that I'm not going off, you know, with a half-loaded gun here.
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But anyways, it's not easy to figure out exactly what I'm being accused of.
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And so, you know, so the upshot is essentially that I either submit myself to this media retraining
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There's just not a chance that that will ever happen.
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I can't imagine a circumstance under which I would be willing to do that.
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I mean, I can't imagine how I would possibly sit through such a thing.
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You know, somebody said I should just record it and put it on.
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Yeah, well, I don't know if I'd like to put any educator through the horrible process of having to
00:34:31.400
come and try to re-educate me either, because I can't see how that would go particularly well for them.
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So, I'm not sure who would end up re-educated in a situation like that.
00:34:41.260
But I have my doubts that it would be me, because people have been trying to re-educate me for a long time, and it really hasn't worked that well.
00:34:49.800
So, and that's generally because I don't say things that I haven't investigated right to the bottom.
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And I've spent, you know, hundreds of hours just trying to organize the arguments that have been marshaled against me and understand what the hell they are.
00:35:09.660
You know, part of the process that's punitive, and the bloody activists know this, is that as soon as you have complaints levied against you,
00:35:17.780
you're basically snowed under by the obligations of what's essentially a serious lawsuit.
00:35:23.080
And, you know, you might say, well, it's not a lawsuit, it's just an investigation.
00:35:26.460
Like, well, the college itself suggests that once one of these investigations is levied, that the person being investigated acquire legal counsel.
00:35:37.860
So, they know bloody well right that this is essentially a criminal, a quasi-criminal investigation, or at least it has that element of process about it.
00:35:48.360
And the social justice warriors who are utilizing these colleges have figured that out, and they're perfectly willing to use third-party bureaucracies as cudgels to enforce their oh-so-compassionate, narcissistic worldview, and to be censorious.
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You know, and you see this on Twitter, too, as I've made this public.
00:36:09.380
There are good thinkers everywhere who are saying, you know, I got what I deserved, even though it isn't obvious exactly why I deserved it.
00:36:16.640
And I'm not perfectly happy to see this happening.
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And, you know, that shows you what kind of motivations a large percentage of the population has.
00:36:26.080
You know, in Eastern Germany, a third of the population were KGB informers.
00:36:32.680
And so, there's a very large swath of the public who would be perfectly happy to see anybody who doesn't share their political views punished harshly for their audacity.
00:36:43.720
And I think that's particularly true of radical leftists in relationship to anything that's centrist or conservative.
00:36:51.840
Every, you know, I don't only say conservative things, although in the current political climate, I suppose I am more conservative.
00:36:59.880
But every single complaint that's been levied against me is because I uttered a conservative perspective.
00:37:10.080
And so, you know, the probability that that's merely a consequence of chance is vanishingly small.
00:37:22.420
So, the idea that this isn't politically motivated is preposterous, conceptually and statistically.
00:37:30.060
I feel like we've had a lot of people reach out to specifically from Canada that are working professionals like doctors.
00:37:37.120
I've spoken with a lot of them who've had generally former patients decide that they didn't like what they were saying on Twitter, specifically.
00:37:46.160
So, conservative doctors, and they're like, oh, I don't like what you're saying on Twitter, and then sending complaints to colleges to get their licenses.
00:37:53.640
So, I don't think this is just happening to you.
00:37:56.000
I think we've talked to a lot of people in Canada that it's happening to, which means, what profession does that mean you can't exactly trust to tell you the truth anymore?
00:38:05.480
Well, you certainly can't trust physicians or psychologists, because they're mandated with regard to affirmative care now.
00:38:16.140
So, for example, you can't assume that if you take a child of yours who's gender dysphoric in for professional evaluation, that they're going to get any evaluation at all.
00:38:26.160
Because psychologists and physicians are mandated to do nothing but agree with the gender dysphoric individual.
00:38:32.200
And lawyers are in the same situation as well, is that they're not, if, for example, a while back, the governing body of the legal profession in Ontario mandated diversity, equity, and inclusivity requirements in relationship to hiring,
00:38:51.340
even on small law firms in Ontario, with the clear implication that if you didn't buy the DEI social justice warrior political line,
00:39:02.400
that you were, that your law firm was no longer in concordance with the dictates of the professional governing body.
00:39:08.640
Now, Bruce Pardy, a law professor at Queen's, fought that back forthrightly with some success.
00:39:15.000
But I've had discussions with all sorts of teachers and nurses and lawyers and physicians.
00:39:20.460
All these people, Canadians need to know this, all these people are so terrified of, a good proportion of these people are so terrified of the regulatory bodies,
00:39:28.700
that there isn't a hope in hell that they're going to be able to tell you the truth when you're in the middle of a medical, educational, or legal crisis.
00:39:36.340
And so, you know, and Canadians are in a real bind because, you know, for 175 years, it was okay in Canada to basically put trust in the public institutions,
00:39:50.020
educational institutions, and professional colleges, and even the political parties, you knew what they stood for,
00:39:58.080
And that's flipped completely upside down in the last seven years.
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And that's a terrible, bitter pill for Canadians to swallow.
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And most of them don't even know it's happened because their primary sources of news, like CBC,
00:40:10.740
is completely corrupted by its $1.4 billion a year payoff from the federal government.
00:40:19.340
Most ordinary people have no idea where to get news.
00:40:22.060
And so they're faced with this terrible conundrum, which is, well, either things have gone badly sideways,
00:40:29.680
or the people complaining, like me, let's say, or the truckers, for that matter,
00:40:35.360
are misogynist, racist, alt-right-wing, confederate, Nazi bigots.
00:40:40.420
And it's a hell of a lot easier to buy the latter than the former, and no wonder.
00:40:46.000
But the unfortunate truth is, well, people can decide that for themselves.
00:40:59.780
And because of that, I'm being investigated by my regulatory body,
00:41:06.560
and I may no longer be able to practice or describe myself as a clinical psychologist.
00:41:25.320
And it's not just fluke that every single one of them is on the left.
00:41:32.860
And it's not like I don't have some sympathy for the left.
00:41:37.540
Brand does what he can to stand up for working class types
00:41:42.100
against corporate overreach and corporate government collusion
00:41:46.900
to produce a kind of fascist, oppressive fascist overreach
00:41:53.840
And I understand perfectly well that there's a need
00:41:55.940
for a left-wing political voice to stand for the working class,
00:42:01.840
and especially perhaps against the depredations of monopolistic capitalists.
00:42:10.900
in relationship to the sorts of things we're talking about in the least.
00:42:15.100
So, well, so, and it's going to be very hard for Canadians
00:42:21.280
I see no evidence whatsoever that they've woken up yet.
00:42:27.340
So, well, so we'll see what happens when we make all of this public.
00:42:31.460
The next step for the college is to haul me in front of a disciplinary board
00:42:34.780
and, you know, rake me over the coals personally.
00:42:37.440
And I don't imagine I'll accept their diktats when that happens.
00:42:42.680
I can't imagine any circumstances under which that would occur.
00:42:45.440
And then their next step is to publicly announce my refractory nature.
00:42:50.540
They've already defined me as a repeat offender, by the way,
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Oh, well, if the offenses are defined as saying what I think publicly,
00:43:06.520
then it's pretty much certain I'm going to re-offend.
00:43:09.220
But it's a hell of a terminology to be pasted with, you know,
00:43:13.940
repeat offender with a high likelihood of re-offending, you know.
00:43:18.660
So do we have a timeline about how long this is going to take?
00:43:26.040
what do you think the likelihood is that they'll take your license?
00:43:28.560
Well, I don't see what choice they have because the next thing,
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look, what I would like from them, because I might as well make it clear,
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I want every single one of them to resign and to apologize to me.
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That seems very unlikely, and I don't know if they're going to.
00:43:52.280
What if they just said, you know what, out of 15 million people,
00:43:58.720
12 complaints isn't that bad given they're about tweets
00:44:06.780
Well, I don't see how they can do that without admitting
00:44:10.300
that the whole bloody thing was a scam to begin with.
00:44:12.660
Because if it was just one complaint, they could say,
00:44:16.520
well, you know, we've reconsidered and, you know,
00:44:19.280
we may have acted too hastily, but when you do it 13 times,
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And if you have to announce publicly that you were wrong 13 times,
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you're probably so wrong that you're not fit for the job.
00:44:40.100
So the alternative is I'm going to make this public.
00:44:43.620
I've already told them essentially to go to hell,
00:44:47.020
And now they have to drag me in front of a disciplinary hearing,
00:44:56.620
And so, and then because I won't move in that regard,
00:45:00.480
as far as I can tell, I don't see that they have a leg to stand on.
00:45:04.180
You know, not only am I being accused in the vast majority
00:45:08.640
of the accusations of having unacceptable political beliefs,
00:45:14.480
but half the people who complained claimed they were clients of mine.
00:45:18.440
So procedurally, this is also a nightmare for them,
00:45:28.360
to these claims that the complainants were clients of mine.
00:45:32.520
They should have noted to them that they weren't,
00:45:35.560
and they should have required them to re-initiate the complaint process
00:45:48.520
because if the complaint is levied by someone who was a client,
00:45:55.700
and also tends to take those complaints much more seriously,
00:46:01.280
So I think they've demonstrated such a brutal level of incompetence and corruption
00:46:10.200
that I can't see that they have any way forward
00:46:28.440
I've met people in my voyage through this weird political landscape
00:46:32.160
who really like this sort of fight, you know, who are up for it.
00:46:43.460
Now, the danger of that is that you have more scraps than you should,
00:46:47.660
you know, and that you might be inclined to take pleasure in it when you shouldn't.
00:47:00.980
I mean, part of the reason I engage in conflict is because I...
00:47:15.700
so we don't fight about it for the next 10 years.
00:47:19.480
have conducted our whole relationship with that.
00:47:23.260
We had a date the other night upstairs, you know,
00:47:27.160
and this has happened probably the last three dates we shared,
00:47:29.320
and she always has three bitchy things to say to me
00:47:34.180
is she tells me some of the things that are on her mind
00:47:36.520
that are maybe interfering a bit with our relationship.
00:47:46.700
She wasn't exactly happy with how I was cleaning the sink.
00:47:53.020
And then it was completely out of the way, you know,
00:47:57.480
because there wasn't anything boiling away on the back burner.
00:48:02.600
you know, we conducted our family life the same way.
00:48:06.500
we were going to have a discussion about it right now
00:48:28.580
the detrimental consequences of my feminine temperament
00:48:39.760
towards being a clinician in the first place, right?
00:48:44.900
because I do feel the pain of other people quite deeply,
00:48:50.280
but that also makes it very hard for me to fight,
00:48:55.240
even though I'll fight when I know the consequences
00:49:13.180
that it might be reasonable for them to consider
00:49:33.300
to be at the center of that kind of focal attention.
00:49:39.840
hide behind this pseudo-government organization
00:50:26.240
because of their conservative opinions on Twitter.
00:50:30.260
That's not what these regulatory courts are for.
00:50:50.080
because I thought maybe a one, two, three punch
00:51:16.000
and he's made a lot of public statements already,
00:51:27.180
he feels that he's not well defended enough yet
00:51:38.740
was that I had three independent streams of income, right?
00:52:13.920
because the worst thing the college can do to me
01:18:32.500
Canadians particularly in Toronto leapt forward