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00:00:57.420Hello everyone watching and listening.
00:01:10.800I'm co-hosting this podcast today with my wife, Tammy Peterson.
00:01:15.140We had Tamara Leach, our guest, over for dinner last night, and that went very well.
00:01:18.960We thought it would be useful to have both of us talk to her today.
00:01:23.040Tamara Leach explains her roles in the yellow vest-like rallies that occurred in Canada, the trucker convoy, her role in Wexit, a Western Canadian independence party,
00:01:34.100and, as I said recently, her leadership in the internationally recognized trucker freedom convoy.
00:01:40.340We discussed the current state of Canada, the current dismal state under Prime Minister Justin Trudeau,
00:01:46.980the tyranny he unleashed during the COVID pandemic, why so many patriotic Canadians are fed up,
00:01:54.820and the unprecedented punishment that's been unleashed upon those who, like Tamara, were daring enough to criticize their own leaders.
00:02:04.420Yeah, oh, Canada, indeed. Looking forward to talking to her.
00:02:09.580Tamara, maybe we'll start, maybe you can let people know a little bit about you.
00:02:12.780You said last night that you're from Saskatchewan. You should probably explain what the hell Saskatchewan is to everybody listening to begin with,
00:02:18.360and then you moved to Alberta. Why don't you just walk through where you came from?
00:02:21.240You worked for the oil, in the oil and gas field, too, which is, or in the oil and gas industry, which is relevant, so.
00:05:24.640They were just spending taxpayers' money.
00:05:26.660And then I started, you know, checking into Question Period, and that baffled me also, because I thought, you know, these people are just, it's theatrics.
00:05:38.280And for me, I would rather turn on Question Period and see two sides of the house sitting at a table working together to try and fix our problems than just this soap opera theatrics that I was witnessing.
00:05:50.380And so that's kind of what led into my interest in politics.
00:06:28.280Like, there used to be some integrity, a little bit of integrity.
00:06:30.900He's got this interesting trick where if you have one scandal, the way you deal with it is just to produce another and overlay it on top of the previous scandal.
00:06:38.600He seems to be able to confuse people constantly with a never-ending string of increasingly dire scandals.
00:06:45.680And, well, I don't understand it, that's for sure, but here we are.
00:06:50.980Now, you said, when we were talking last night, you said, too, that you also started to detect, and I don't know when this was, a certain amount of desperation on the political front in the oil patch because of increasingly draconian federal policies.
00:07:03.360So, in Canada, for those of you who are watching and listening, the provinces in the west of Canada are pretty heavily resource-based, and Canada's a resource-based economy still in many ways.
00:07:14.420And our federal government seems to have adopted a globalist agenda, I think that's fair to say,
00:07:21.140and believe that, you know, human beings, especially those in western Canada, are doing nothing but raping poor Mother Earth constantly.
00:07:28.640And so, they produce legislation in a never-ending string to do nothing but devastate the economies of the west.
00:07:34.420And, of course, well, they're saving the planet.
00:07:36.580And Tamara started to see some of that, or not saving the planet, which is really the truth.
00:07:41.220And Tamara started to see the manifestations of that directly in the people that you were working with.
00:07:45.940So, you want to explain that a little bit?
00:07:59.500So, Bill C-69 has been nicknamed the No More Pipelines Bill.
00:08:03.180And basically, what they've done is they've made it virtually impossible and definitely not feasible for anyone to lay a pipeline with all their environmental this and that.
00:08:12.520And, of course, then they added the gender thing.
00:08:14.860It had to, you know, fit into their whatever.
00:08:27.260All the other tankers, ferries, cruise ships are okay, just not if it's carrying any oil from Alberta.
00:08:35.300And what that did was it hurt a lot of families.
00:08:40.240People that I knew and that I cared about were losing their jobs and couldn't find jobs.
00:08:45.500And the situation I specifically referred to last night, because I'll never forget it, was a grown man—and this happened frequently, but he's the one that broke down.
00:08:56.940But, you know, a grown man coming into my office two weeks before Christmas because he'd just lost his job and begging me for a job with tears in his eyes, you know, please take my resume.
00:09:07.940And it was heartbreaking and devastating.
00:09:56.600Which is a very inefficient way of doing it.
00:09:58.200It's also very dangerous because it passes through cities.
00:10:00.420And we've had the odd catastrophe in Canada as a consequence of that.
00:10:03.660And so, yeah, and what the Trudeau government has done is made pipeline development so prohibitively expensive that no corporation in its right mind would take a risk on it.
00:10:13.200And I don't know how long that will propagate out into the future because the corporations have learned that the Canadian government is an unreliable partner.
00:10:22.420And this is a big deal for the rest of the world.
00:10:24.900You know, the German chancellor came to Canada last year and so did the Japanese prime minister, basically cap in hand.
00:10:31.640And the German chancellor was a socialist, by the way, which is sort of relevant in this context.
00:10:35.720He was desperate enough, nonetheless, to go come and talk to his socialist buddy, Trudeau, and ask, and really ask, and really beg in some ways for Canada to open up its vast natural gas resources to the European Union and aid our great allies, you know, and our partners in freedom, let's say.
00:10:53.780And Trudeau said, I can't make a business case for that, which basically meant we've produced legislation in Canada that's crippled our industry so badly that no one could possibly make a business case for anything because of the red tape and idiocy that was put in there purposefully, although also ineptly, just so the feds could virtue signal about destroying the economy to save the planet.
00:11:16.160And then the Japanese prime minister showed up a couple of months later and asked for the same thing and got exactly the same response.
00:11:23.740And so instead of Canada benefiting from the billions of dollars that the Europeans and the Japanese could spend while we were supporting our allies, Japan, who's threatened by China, and obviously the European Union, who's threatened by Russia,
00:11:37.620we left them to the tender mercies of our apparent enemies, because Canada is opposed to what Russia is doing in Ukraine, for example, and we forfeited that immense economic benefit that Canadians could have accrued.
00:11:51.580It could hardly be stupider. And so you were seeing this play out in real time in Alberta.
00:11:56.200Yes, yes, I was. And at that time, I started joining. I found a local group in town that was doing rallies every weekend. And so I joined that group. And I started going to these rallies. And we would basically stand outside of a Tim Hortons and hold signs and wave at people as they drove by.
00:12:11.260And then I became an organizer for those two. So I set up their social media, which would later come into play in a bigger context, and organizing these rallies. And we did that for quite a while. But nothing was changing.
00:12:28.820Well, we actually started off mimicking the yellow vest movement in France, which was really my first experience dealing with the mainstream media calling us a bunch of racists and white supremacists and this and that.
00:12:45.460No, white supremacy, that's a big thing in Alberta. I mean, I know I lived there and there were just white supremacists everywhere.
00:13:00.560So I became active in that way. And through that process, I met Peter Downing, who at that point was starting the Wexit movement, which was a play on the whole Brexit UK movement.
00:13:13.640And then in 2019, when Trudeau won that election, I contacted Peter and I said, I'm yours. I will organize events or whatever you need in southeastern Alberta.
00:13:25.600Peter Downing was his name. He had started it. He had actually started a big billboard campaign in Edmonton about these bills that they were passing.
00:13:35.780Well, because Alberta is largely an energy resource dependent province. And so when you start crippling that, I mean, you're not just talking about the guys that are drilling wells. You're talking about all the service industries or the communities that depended on all those toxic masculine males coming into their city or into their communities to spend their money, you know?
00:13:58.320Well, in Canada, people need to know this too. So Alberta is a landlocked province. So it's hard for Alberta to get its resources out into the world unless the rest of Canada cooperates.
00:14:08.480And on the West, Alberta is bordered by British Columbia. And the British Columbians often like to style themselves environmental socialists. And so they like to block Alberta oil. And that's a big problem.
00:14:19.160But also, rather perversely, because of the way Canada is set up the provinces to equalize economic opportunities across Canada, hypothetically, we have this system called equalization payment.
00:14:31.860And that means the richer areas of the country essentially send excess tax money to poorer areas. And so, as a consequence, Alberta, which has a very small population, about 2 million people, has heavily subsidized Quebec for decades, billions and billions of dollars.
00:14:49.380And the Quebec government in particular, although many of the Quebecois themselves also style themselves saviors of the planet and are opposed to Alberta energy and its development, despite the fact that their economy is dependent in no small part on these transfer payments.
00:15:04.140So they get to have all the money and also all the moral virtue, which is a hell of a good deal.
00:15:09.140And they have all the coastline heading over to Europe, right?
00:15:15.360So they're rich in that way. They have coastline.
00:15:17.380Yeah, well, they also, Quebec also has no shortage of natural gas itself, although they put a moratorium on its development.
00:15:23.340There's enough natural gas in Quebec to service Quebec, which, by the way, imports natural gas from the United States, to service Quebec for 200 years and the European Union for 50 years.
00:15:36.060And the Quebec government has put a moratorium on its development for reasons completely unknown and crippled the people who bought land in Quebec with the intent purpose of developing the natural gas resources there.
00:15:47.140When the government told them that that's what they wanted to do, and so, and that's a story that hasn't broken in the Canadian legacy media because the people who had their property essentially confiscated, this is like one of the biggest scandals I've ever heard of in Canadian history.
00:16:00.560And no one knows about it, had their property confiscated, had their property confiscated, can't even get the legacy media interested enough to do a story on it.
00:16:17.680And working on the idea that Alberta and the West at least had to put pressure on Central Canada, letting them know that we're dead serious about not having the federal government for the second time demolish Alberta's economy.
00:16:30.880Because for all of you who are watching, listening, when Justin Trudeau, Trudeau's father, was prime minister back in the 1980s, he rammed through a policy called the National Energy Policy, which devastated the Alberta economy for about 15 years.
00:16:59.980So, the West has been screwed by Trudeau's before and now we're living through that again.
00:17:06.020And so, there is agitation in the West to put pressure on the central government.
00:17:11.860And some of that pressure involves the threat of potential secession, although I think that's very unlikely.
00:17:16.920I know that Daniel Smith in Alberta and Scott Moe in Saskatchewan and the Premier of Manitoba have now put together a consortium to try to develop a port in James Bay, which is, you know, pretty damn awkward because you have to go through the Arctic ice in a desperate bid to try to get Western resources out to the rest of the world.
00:17:36.940So, we're basically at economic war in our own damn country.
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00:18:20.140Now, you might think, what's the big deal?
00:23:05.500So, it's interesting, you know, you did what people should do in their life, as far as I'm concerned, which is you established a local base of competence.
00:23:13.060So, well, partly within your family and then within the industry you were working at, you learned how to organize.
00:23:18.840And then you noticed that maybe you had a political responsibility, which everyone does, because otherwise the tyrants have it.
00:24:20.120I thought a politician, a businessman, somebody with some level of, you know, clout would step up and solve the problem and say something.
00:24:29.940And it wasn't happening and it wasn't happening.
00:24:32.560So, the first speech that I gave was like that and I ended it with, like, I am somebody else and you are somebody else and you are somebody else.
00:24:40.980You know, we can't sit around here and wait for…
00:27:58.500And that's all you can do is know it now and move forward.
00:28:02.440Yeah, well, one of the rules that I've been formulating as we tour is that any political responsibility you abdicate will be taken up by tyrants and used against you.
00:28:27.300So, during my time in Alberta, about 2013, I took a personal training course and I started working in fitness.
00:28:35.480And then I actually started teaching and certifying personal trainers and teaching CPR and nutrition.
00:28:41.000And so, that was one of the very first things.
00:28:43.800When this all started, I was like, what is going on here?
00:28:47.240Because they started closing all the gyms.
00:28:49.100And like, I'm not a doctor or a scientist, but I know that if you're healthy and you're exercising, your immune system is going to be stronger.
00:28:57.660And then right away, it came out that one of the comorbidities that was causing, you know, the terrible reaction to the COVID virus was obesity.
00:29:06.420I think the people who died had a mean, the mean number of comorbidities was four.
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00:32:00.560And that's why I called it the pandemic of the Cairns, because I had, especially at Christmas, this one lady called me just freaking out and angry because there's four cars parked across the street at the Airbnb.
01:07:23.700Not the two years of business closures and shutdowns and locked in your home.
01:07:28.560Right, and do you think, do you think that, do you think that there was a deleterious impact of the trucker convoy on businesses in Ottawa?
01:07:55.760There was a BlackRock's report that just came out, I think it was the week before last.
01:08:01.740It was a Public Safety Canada memo that was sent out internally to all these businesses saying that we were entering federal buildings and causing damage and disruption, which was a bold-faced lie.
01:08:55.360Right, so that means our prime minister now believes that if you believe that you should put your child's interests as the paramount concern of your life, that you're essentially far-right.
01:09:06.020And so if Canadians had any sense, which I'm afraid generally they don't, they would listen to that because he's actually serious about what he's claiming.
01:09:12.480So we know that what the New Brunswick premier came out and made it illegal for schools to use gender-transforming pronouns without parental, without informing the parents, which seems like the minimal thing they could do.
01:09:27.160And Trudeau pilloried him, but the vast majority of Canadians agree with the New Brunswick premier's statement.
01:09:33.480And if they were informed, a lot more of them would agree because Canadians, as a general rule, don't pay much attention to politics and don't know what's going on.
01:09:40.380And if they actually knew what was going on, a hell of a lot more Canadians would have agreed with the New Brunswick premier.
01:09:56.280Yeah, well, you have Danielle Smith and Scott Moe who look like they've got some spines, and Pierre Polyev might have one as well, and the premier of New Brunswick, right?
01:10:04.520That came out of right field, you might say.
01:10:08.440Yeah, that's really encouraging to me.
01:10:10.580All right, so you're in Ottawa, and we're all watching this from the outside.
01:10:13.880I was on tour with Tammy at that time.
01:10:16.420We would have liked to have come to Ottawa.
01:10:17.800I did speak at one of the events electronically.
01:10:20.180And so what we're watching from the outside, and what we see from the outside is that despite the fact that you're being painted as misogynist, racist, bigot, mega, confederate, flag-wearing fascists,
01:10:29.860there's like no violence, there's children there, the bloody government conspired to threaten the truckers with the removal of their children,
01:10:38.180which that was one of the most reprehensible acts I'd ever seen a Canadian government commit.
01:10:43.380It might be number one, freezing your bank accounts.
01:10:46.100That would be the contender for top place.
01:10:49.240But the idea that the government would threaten those protesters with the removal of their children by social services, that was like they were crossing the line in a big way there, boy.
01:10:59.020But that's what they did the whole time.
01:11:12.520So obviously right away when we recognized before we left how much support we were getting, you know, I said we need to let our local police departments know when we're coming through so that they can make arrangements and everything.
01:11:32.820And I firmly believe if we could have dealt with the OPP for the whole duration of this thing, it would not have ended the way that it did.
01:11:42.680And out of the inquiry, what I learned was besides the OPP, we were the most organized and professional organization out of them all.
01:12:00.260And they were just, they were wonderful.
01:12:01.740And we have a, we had a phone call from a gentleman called Officer Pierre.
01:12:07.340He was, I think he was French, but he was OPP.
01:12:10.520The night after the raids, because the first thing they did was they raided Coventry, which was where we had a lot of supplies and donations and a lot of trucks parked.
01:12:48.360And then they started taking the jerry cans, which is when, I mean, this is the beautiful thing, like I was saying last night about Canadians.
01:14:30.680The thing that struck me the most, though, was, you know, people would come up to me and hug me and cry on my shoulder and tell me their story and, you know, thank us for what we were doing.
01:14:39.640But it was the immigrants who, when they came up to me, had this look of desperation in their eyes, like nothing I have ever seen before.
01:14:51.020It was gut-wrenching, you know, because they've lived through this.
01:15:48.540Yeah, they found a hundred-room bunker, like a hundred yards, an underground hundred-room bunker, a hundred yards away from their parliament building five years ago.
01:15:59.580That no one even knew that was there, that the defense minister had built in Albania that Albania was the center country of the world and that everyone was just waiting to invade because everyone wanted what the Albanians had.
01:16:15.420We went out on a boat into the ocean along the Albanian coast.
01:16:19.960And we could see these little things that looked like small adobe houses up in the hills.
01:16:32.380So they spent all their nation's money on underground tunnels and tunnels into the mountain because they had to be careful because the world was after them.
01:16:43.700And then the people of the country had nothing.
01:17:00.260I mean, we're basically crafting legislation and policy on hurt feelings.
01:17:04.180Yeah, yeah, yeah, for false moral reasons.
01:17:06.960All right, so you're having a big celebration in Ottawa and the legacy media are trying to paint you as misogynists and fascists and bigots.
01:17:14.640And so is the putative leader of Canada.
01:17:18.020And you actually manage, God only knows how you did this, to keep that entire enterprise both peaceful and positive, right?
01:17:28.500And I know I've talked to B.J. Dichter about this a fair bit, too, that that was actually a conscious aim, that you did everything you could.
01:17:37.060The organizers did everything they could.
01:17:38.920And I believe the truckers themselves did this spontaneously to ensure that they were going to remain respectful to people in authority and to the general public and to the businesses that they frequented.
01:17:48.340I know that the crime rate in Ottawa fell during the trucker convoy.
01:17:52.840There were no overdose deaths in downtown Ottawa.
01:18:04.080It was—my dad—I didn't meet this gentleman myself, but my dad told me the story of this homeless man that had gone up to one of the food tents.
01:18:13.520And they were feeding him every day, and he asked if he could stay in there because it was warm.
01:18:45.680Now, I was talking to Dictor in particular around the time when the convoy was starting to—when a lot of pressure was starting to be put on the convoy.
01:18:54.680I know you guys were really trying to figure out, should you stay?
01:19:17.500So very quickly, right away—well, I recognized even on the way there that we were going to need lawyers.
01:19:26.160Every time, the finance committee would say, it's almost at another million.
01:19:31.000You've got to bump it up another million.
01:19:32.600And so I would bump it up on the thing.
01:19:34.280But, I mean, it was bittersweet because I would be so excited.
01:19:37.920Like, we were taking in a million dollars a day at that point.
01:19:40.340But at the same time, I would just get sicker and sicker to my stomach because I knew when you're talking about millions of dollars, the lawyers are coming.
01:19:50.520And so very quickly after we got to Ottawa, we contacted the JCCF, and they flew in five lawyers, two of them which stayed with us on the ground.
01:20:00.060My husband was on that flight as well.
01:21:12.100Well, there was always pressure because there was always rumours.
01:21:15.180I mean, this is the great thing about having people like Danny Bulford there and Tom Quagan and Thomas O'Connor because they were able to disseminate, like, what was factual and what was just wild rumours.
01:21:27.200I mean, right from day one, we were hearing they were coming to arrest us.
01:21:40.280And we're like, okay, what does that mean?
01:21:41.960And really, all I saw was little groups of cops standing around doing nothing turn into slightly bigger groups of cops standing around doing nothing.
01:21:48.400Then Doug Ford invoked the state of emergency for the province of Ontario.
01:22:14.860Right, and that's supposed to be a last-ditch move by the federal government in the case of, like, serious civil war-like violent insurrection, right?
01:22:25.900When you step outside the constitutional limits, right, this is to be used extraordinarily sparingly, right, under the only the most dire of circumstances.
01:22:33.300And yet, he announced it because Ottawa residents were being traumatized by honking, which had already been brought to a halt, right, many, many, many days previously.
01:22:44.140And Chris Barber said, well, we embarrassed him.
01:23:43.040And, I mean, the pressure just started getting more and more intense.
01:23:46.660And the irony of the invocation of the Emergencies Act was that Keith Wilson, myself, and my husband were on our way to go meet with the Honorable Mr. Brian Peckford.
01:23:58.440And on the way over, we heard on the radio that Justin Trudeau was going to be invoking the Emergencies Act.
01:24:13.860And Peckford was one of the creators of the Act that actually put the potential for the powers for the Emergency Act in place.
01:24:22.240And it stated very publicly that Trudeau, the Trudeau government, by no means or by no stretch of the imagination, had encountered a situation that necessitated what the original framers of that document would have considered a genuine emergency.
01:25:44.900Yeah, well, I know one of the things we did learn traveling around, Tammy and I have been in like 250 cities, something like that, in the last two years.
01:25:52.260And Canadians have no idea what the bank account thefts in particular did to Canada's international reputation.
01:26:21.300That was just an absolute shock of an absolute 100% violation of trust in the government, but also trust in Canada's banking industry and in the separation of the banking industry from the government, which is something we want to keep separate.
01:26:35.960Like, we really want to keep that separate.
01:27:38.260They tried, really, everything that they could.
01:27:40.820And so a lot of people started leaving, which we were encouraging because we didn't want—we didn't know it was coming.
01:27:46.020I mean, I never in my wildest dreams imagined that was coming, but we didn't want anyone to get arrested or lose their jobs.
01:27:51.360I mean, these people have suffered enough.
01:27:53.000And I remember the Wednesday before I was arrested, I was at the Sheridan, and a group of our corps people started leaving.
01:28:06.280And a Quebec mother, one of the road captains, was taking off, and we said a very tearful goodbye.
01:28:14.140And I went up to my room, and I was upset, crying, because we were saying goodbye to—these people became our family.
01:28:19.440And I reached into my pockets, and, of course, every time I was on the hill, like, people were literally stuffing money into my freedom pants.
01:28:31.720So I ran back downstairs, and I just gave her everything I had.
01:28:35.280And, you know, we said another tearful goodbye.
01:28:38.380My dad had come into town with my sister.
01:28:41.300They'd brought some supplies, and they were also picking up my other sister.
01:28:45.240And we were at the Swiss Hotel, and I remember Dad said, well, we're going to—my sister wanted to go to Gatineau because she'd never been to Quebec.
01:28:56.420And Dad was like, well, we'll get a room, and then we'll leave in the morning.
01:28:58.520And I said, you guys need to get as far away from here as you can now.
01:29:01.860And I started walking upstairs, and I remember I turned around, and I just said, I love you, Dad.
01:29:09.220That's when the rumors were flying that you evil truckers were going to regroup somewhere outside of Ottawa in preparation to retake the city.
01:29:17.880Which is something, you know, that I find a little bit odd that they don't give us credit for, especially after what came out of the inquiry.
01:29:24.520I mean, we outnumbered and overpowered them.
01:29:27.560If we had been there with an agenda to take over Ottawa and overthrow the government, we could have done it.
01:33:56.620And what was that like to be arrested?
01:33:59.220Well, for somebody that's never even been in Facebook jail before, it was quite an eye-opening experience.
01:34:07.240And I spent the evening in the police, at the police station in the cells there, which was awful.
01:34:12.260I'd spent the day walking around with a veteran, talking to people and signing flags or whatever, just talking with people, listening to their stories.
01:34:20.580And so by the time we got back to the Swiss, I was quite damp and cold.
01:34:24.000And then Danny and I made the decision to go out and turn ourselves in after Chris had been arrested.
01:34:29.260Number one, the lady that owns that hotel.
01:34:32.500And had you been charged at that point?
01:40:41.820So, and then a lot of these people were arrested, handcuffed, left in cold transport units, or paddy wagons, for hours, driven out to the outskirts of Ottawa, and dropped off in a snowstorm.
01:41:00.540Thankfully, Melissa McKee from Bikers Church and her husband, who are just the most beautiful people,
01:41:05.960they were very involved in, like, it was, their church was like a sanctuary.
01:41:10.600And so what she'd been doing was a lot of the people that she knew, she would have them write her number on their arm and their lawyer's number on their arm.
01:41:18.820So when that happened, or if that happened, they could call.
01:41:22.180Because, I mean, a lot of these people, they don't know anybody there.
01:41:24.940You know, if I got dropped off on the outskirts of Ottawa, I would have no idea where to go.
01:41:31.320So in the aftermath of the trucker convoy, now, the Conservative Party essentially shattered itself, which wasn't the goal of the convoy, right?
01:41:43.440But we became the unofficial official opposition.
01:43:49.080You know, and that's pretty funny if that's at least in part a consequence of your decision that, you know, maybe you had some responsibility too,
01:43:55.520despite the fact, you know, like, what the hell do you know when you're just another person?
01:43:59.080There might be more to being just another person than people think.
01:44:01.780Yes. Well, I think Chris Barber said it best, and we were still traveling to Ottawa in the convoy at this time,
01:44:09.040and he was on the radio, and we were just talking, or he was talking with other truckers about, I don't even know,
01:44:14.980what was waiting for us or what we were going to accomplish.