The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

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00:00:57.540 Hello, everyone watching and listening.

00:01:13.340 Today, I'm speaking with a couple of stellar young men, Josh and Nick Alexander, who are

00:01:19.640 both advocates for the Save Canada organization.

00:01:22.320 We discuss their political activity, oriented towards Christian ideals and family values,

00:01:30.360 the abhorrent response from administrative busybodies, mainstream media, and law enforcement,

00:01:38.900 the threats and physical violence levied against them, and what their battle really means for

00:01:44.360 Canada and for the world at large.

00:01:46.740 All right, gentlemen, thank you for coming in.

00:01:51.040 Let's take it from the top.

00:01:52.560 Josh, you can start with this.

00:01:54.080 So you ran into trouble with your school, public trouble with your school.

00:02:01.060 How long ago now?

00:02:03.000 Well, so I actually used to go attend the public education system, and I got in trouble during

00:02:08.440 the Freedom Convoy mainly, just over the mandates and the vaccine requirements and all that.

00:02:14.100 But I left that school, and I went into the Catholic Board, and I really started getting

00:02:17.960 in trouble around October, November of 2022.

00:02:21.060 So how do you know this is not just you?

00:02:24.160 Well, I mean, looking out across the entire education system, you can see that any student

00:02:30.220 that stands up gets in trouble.

00:02:31.560 And then I watched what happened just to my little brother last week.

00:02:35.600 He was suspended for simply wearing my hat.

00:02:37.340 So I know it's not simply based on what me as a person, but what I believe in.

00:02:41.720 He was suspended for wearing your hat.

00:02:43.840 Yeah.

00:02:44.180 Okay, explain that.

00:02:45.800 Yes, we...

00:02:46.440 Is it a particularly evil hat, I presume?

00:02:48.240 Apparently so.

00:02:49.820 It's the same hat that I've worn for, I guess, three years now.

00:02:53.840 It was an organization started by a bunch of students in Halifax, actually, and we picked

00:02:58.000 it up here in Ontario, and it was against the mandates, and it was just about restoring

00:03:03.300 a traditional culture in Canada.

00:03:05.460 What does the hat say?

00:03:06.980 Save Canada.

00:03:08.200 Save Canada.

00:03:09.280 Yeah, and it's...

00:03:10.040 And you got thrown out of school for that.

00:03:12.140 Okay, so tell me that story, and then we'll go back to what happened with you.

00:03:17.120 Okay, so what's the rationale here for, you're wearing a Save Canada hat.

00:03:20.520 Why are you wearing...

00:03:21.280 Actually, it was our younger brother.

00:03:22.760 He's 14 who got kicked out of school for this.

00:03:24.880 Oh, I see.

00:03:25.900 So they're trying to get rid of all the Alexanders.

00:03:27.640 Now, are you still in school, Nick?

00:03:29.180 No, I'm done.

00:03:29.860 I'm done school.

00:03:30.220 You're done?

00:03:30.780 Yep.

00:03:31.300 And what grade are you supposed to be in?

00:03:33.180 I should be in grade 12.

00:03:34.660 The highest I have is grade 10, though.

00:03:37.120 Aha.

00:03:37.840 Aha.

00:03:38.240 Okay, so let's go back to the trucker convoy.

00:03:41.500 What sort of...

00:03:42.200 What were you doing at that point in the public education system, and why did you get in trouble?

00:03:47.720 Can you make a case...

00:03:49.060 Make a case for yourself first, and then make a case against yourself?

00:03:53.800 I presume the teachers and the other hypothetical professionals assumed that they had some reason

00:03:59.160 for giving you grief and misery.

00:04:01.160 So why don't you lay out both sides of the argument?

00:04:03.360 Yeah, sure.

00:04:03.840 So basically, I went into the education system, and it was obviously...

00:04:10.760 It was quite crazy, the lockdown restrictions and everything that was going on.

00:04:15.660 And as a young person, that was weird.

00:04:17.000 We'd have the cops calling us for playing football with our buddies at a local park, right?

00:04:21.500 And so I ended up just being fed up with it, and a couple of my buddies at school,

00:04:27.560 and myself and a student named Monty Walker, started doing walkouts in our school,

00:04:33.440 and then it spread across the province.

00:04:35.360 And after that, we started organizing them for Nova Scotia and BC and all across Canada.

00:04:41.820 And our school didn't like that.

00:04:44.280 They suspended us, and they...

00:04:46.980 How many of you?

00:04:48.500 I think on the last walkout we did, it was about 10 students from my school.

00:04:52.780 They basically told anybody who wouldn't put the mask on and joined me on the street,

00:04:57.440 we'd be suspended, and a bunch of kids just said, all right, that's it.

00:05:00.420 Now, previously, we'd have, like, we had about 50 students coming out from the 300-student school,

00:05:08.580 and then we'd have crowds outside from parents and stuff supporting.

00:05:11.700 So it became too much pressure, and the school just started kicking us out.

00:05:16.500 How old were you when you started organizing those protests?

00:05:19.880 I guess I would have been 15.

00:05:21.540 You know, one of the things I was surprised about watching what happened with young people was the fact that so many young people actually put up with it.

00:05:30.540 Now, of course, I'm not young, obviously, and I might be deluded in my belief,

00:05:37.000 but my sense is that when I was that age, 14 or 15, the people that I was associating with in this little town up in northern Alberta,

00:05:48.840 I don't think we would have put up with the masks.

00:05:51.940 Now, that might just be wrong, but young people did put up with the masks, and for a very long time, and you got sick of it.

00:05:59.840 Yeah, I mean, everybody put up with it, and that's what shocked me.

00:06:03.220 I'm from the riding Renfrew-Nippissing-Pembroke, which is famous for being the most conservative riding in Canadian history.

00:06:09.700 I would have thought it would have been immediate, no, but apparently not.

00:06:13.240 And everybody just went along with it, that it was the new normal, apparently, and I wasn't okay with it.

00:06:19.060 And I knew that there were some people who weren't okay with it in private, but none of them were willing to take the risk of, you know, maybe getting arrested.

00:06:25.720 Or even, like, I would go shopping, and I'd get the cops called almost every time, just because I refused to wear a mask.

00:06:30.220 And you get looked at differently when you're disobeying the rules as a young person.

00:06:33.620 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

00:06:35.620 So, why do you think you weren't willing to go along?

00:06:41.080 And, well, let's do two things.

00:06:43.060 Had you gotten any trouble in school previous to your political involvement?

00:06:47.220 No, I hadn't. I was actually an award-winning student.

00:06:50.860 I received the Citizenship Award.

00:06:53.340 I was previously homeschooled, went into the public board.

00:06:56.720 How old were you when you went into public school?

00:06:59.100 I was grade 7, so I guess I would have been 13.

00:07:02.100 Okay, so you were in the public school for a couple of years before the mandates came in and before you started raising trouble.

00:07:07.920 Yeah, so I went there in grade 7.

00:07:11.460 I ended up, like, the mandates only started to come in right at the end of our grade 8 year.

00:07:15.460 And we graduated, not in person.

00:07:19.320 That wasn't allowed, but I received an award.

00:07:22.420 I had a good reputation.

00:07:24.320 Why do you have a good reputation?

00:07:26.820 Just because I have morals and character, which is not something that should be lacking in an elementary school, but it is.

00:07:35.840 And, I mean, my dad was also a teacher, and he had a really good reputation.

00:07:40.680 He actually got to teach me in a couple of my classes.

00:07:43.760 And I graduated from that school, went into high school, and everything just changed.

00:07:48.480 Right, so you weren't a kid with a pattern of troublemaking behavior who used this political opportunity to, like, elevate himself in status.

00:07:58.260 That wasn't the game.

00:07:59.280 Yeah, never.

00:07:59.700 Okay, so what do you think the mask mandates and the lockdowns over those couple-year period did to people who were essentially your age?

00:08:12.140 I think it had a terrible effect on my entire generation.

00:08:16.480 I mean, you'd see the stats on the news about the suicide rates and the depression and anxiety or whatever, but you could actually see it in person as a student.

00:08:25.840 You'd go to school, and I'd never seen anything like it.

00:08:28.660 The morale was so low.

00:08:29.700 And, I mean, I guess people just didn't think it would have effect when you take young people, tell them they're not allowed to hang out, even on good terms.

00:08:40.300 And it just puts kids on video games and porn and social media, and that becomes their life, and it's completely unhealthy.

00:08:47.240 Well, again, you know, I was trying to think about how I would have reacted when I was, say, 15 or so.

00:08:53.280 Oh, man, I remember just my father grounded me one weekend when I was a teenager, around 15, and I still remember being at home Friday and Saturday night when I wanted to be out with my friends.

00:09:08.560 Like, that burned itself into my memories.

00:09:10.700 Like, that's not really that much of a punishment, you know, and I'm sure I deserved it, but it drove me crazy.

00:09:15.960 And I thought, I just can't imagine what it would have been like to be, say, between 14 and 16 and locked up, essentially, wrapped in a mask, unable to communicate.

00:09:27.940 It must have been extremely difficult on the dating side of things, too, I imagine, for, of course, young people who've sort of given up on that, in favor of pornography.

00:09:38.420 So, maybe that wasn't such a catastrophe, but.

00:09:40.920 Yeah, I know, like, young people, they just, there stopped being relationships, whether it was dating or just basic friendship.

00:09:48.120 It just, it was all online, and that becomes a very serious problem.

00:09:54.200 And then, whenever it did return to school, you couldn't see each other's faces.

00:09:58.020 You had to stay socially distanced and all that.

00:10:01.140 And, I mean, it's, it may seem like a small inconvenience, and to most people, they just allowed it.

00:10:06.840 But when you understand what the greater plot is, and you're looking at it, I just wasn't able to tolerate it.

00:10:15.060 Yeah, I don't think it was a small inconvenience at all.

00:10:17.560 I think it was an absolute epidemic of tyrannical authoritarianism.

00:10:21.560 And, as far as I'm concerned, good for you for standing up against it.

00:10:25.560 Okay, so now, how, how did you decide to make your first political move?

00:10:34.620 That was the walkout, essentially?

00:10:36.480 Or, so, you were going to school.

00:10:38.960 Were you wearing a mask when you were going to school?

00:10:41.040 For the most part, yeah, I would have been wearing a mask.

00:10:43.660 I would still get in trouble, because, like, if I was not in class or something, and there was no teachers around, I wouldn't be wearing it.

00:10:49.520 But, I would, for the most part, wear it, but I would still be getting called to the office.

00:10:54.660 I even got called to the office once because a student reported me for not being vaccinated, which wasn't even a requirement at the time.

00:11:00.560 But, yeah, it was, I would get in trouble for the smaller things, and just because I would voice my opinion on it, and, you know, put questions in students' heads, like, what's actually going on, and why they're forced to cover their faces and stay home.

00:11:12.320 And, so, yeah, the faculty didn't like that.

00:11:15.740 And how many times do you suppose you were called to the office?

00:11:19.520 At, like, around the Freedom Convoy, it was almost every day, if, like, not several times a day.

00:11:27.200 Okay, and so what were you doing during the Freedom Convoy?

00:11:30.500 So, that was really what sparked the change in me, I guess.

00:11:34.720 I had been semi-complying all the way around, at least in school, elsewhere, I didn't really care.

00:11:43.440 And, in fact, I got fired from my job for not wearing a mask and whatnot.

00:11:47.700 What was your job?

00:11:48.840 Oh, I was just making coffees.

00:11:51.300 Mm-hmm.

00:11:52.080 I was 15, had a job, and that's it.

00:11:53.860 Spread a lot of germs making coffee, you know.

00:11:56.480 So, yeah, they fired me there, but, like, I wasn't complying outside, and school was really the only place I was doing it.

00:12:03.080 And then we went to the Freedom Convoy.

00:12:04.920 We meaning who?

00:12:05.960 Well, my brother here and our friend Monty, and we even, at the very end, brought a few other students to help out.

00:12:13.760 And you went to Ottawa?

00:12:14.980 Yep.

00:12:15.300 Mm-hmm.

00:12:15.540 And we were down there for a while.

00:12:18.260 And it was weird going to the convoy and seeing everything free and everything normal and seeing the country come together and then going back to this just depressing, tyrannical state.

00:12:28.360 And I had enough, and we decided to start doing these walkouts.

00:12:33.820 It was as simple as me.

00:12:36.080 I think I just put up a photo on Snapchat or something, one of those apps students talk on.

00:12:42.360 And I just said, meet me at my locker at whatever time.

00:12:46.860 We're done.

00:12:47.880 We're walking out.

00:12:48.320 Were you a reasonably popular kid at this point with your peers, or was it polarized?

00:12:54.920 Like, why did people, why did anyone listen to you?

00:12:59.180 I wouldn't say I was incredibly popular.

00:13:02.340 Like, I had a pretty good reputation still, but my opinions certainly weren't popular.

00:13:08.660 But, I mean, in grade 9 and 10, that isn't as big a deal as it is further on in life.

00:13:14.400 But some students, like, they did respect me because I was respectful even when I was being shouted at by my principal and all that.

00:13:22.360 So, I just remained calm, and I gave the students the best advice I could.

00:13:26.780 In fact, I would spend hours negotiating with the principals when I was supposed to be in class.

00:13:31.740 They'd bring the board superintendent down to my events, and I just, I would tell them.

00:13:37.660 What were you negotiating?

00:13:39.180 Well, they would, for instance, they wanted to suspend any student that walked out with me.

00:13:44.060 And I told them, look, I'm the organizer of this thing.

00:13:46.720 You're obviously talking to me for a reason, and not every other student that's walked out.

00:13:51.380 Suspend me.

00:13:52.080 Do whatever you want to me.

00:13:54.200 And each of those students has a right to walk out.

00:13:57.880 You can spend me for noncompliance or disobeying authority, but I don't care.

00:14:03.860 I'll take the fall for it, and the consequences is fine.

00:14:06.620 Oh, yeah.

00:14:07.060 You're pretty annoying.

00:14:08.260 That's for sure.

00:14:09.400 So, Nick, you were in Ottawa too, eh?

00:14:11.840 Yeah, I was, yeah.

00:14:12.640 Okay, now, when the Freedom Convoy made itself known, were you still in school, or had you graduated by that point?

00:14:22.200 I wasn't in school.

00:14:23.340 So, at the end of grade 11, I dropped out and switched to online school, because I was running a welding business at the time.

00:14:30.120 So, I'd work in the days and do my high school online at nighttime.

00:14:33.420 So, yeah, I was doing it online.

00:14:35.200 So, what was your impression of Ottawa when you went there, and why'd you go?

00:14:39.160 I thought it was incredible.

00:14:40.400 It was a real break from the tyranny we'd been living under.

00:14:43.780 And, yeah, it was one of the most incredible few weeks of my life.

00:14:48.120 And had you been politicized at all before that?

00:14:50.920 No, I wasn't especially political, no.

00:14:53.980 And how old were you when you started your welding business, and what is that business exactly?

00:14:59.800 It's Bass Valley Welding.

00:15:01.240 It was mostly agriculture equipment welding.

00:15:05.160 So, break a lot of, whether it's harrows or plows, whatever it is that breaks down, I would do, offer a mobile welding service.

00:15:12.180 And I was 17 when I started that.

00:15:14.700 And is that a business that you're only involved in, or do you have employees?

00:15:17.980 No, Josh is a co-owner, as is Monty Walker.

00:15:21.420 Oh, yeah.

00:15:21.800 So, you can weld too, eh?

00:15:23.580 I've done a little bit.

00:15:24.560 He does the majority of the mechanics.

00:15:26.380 We also, we would do, we also, like under that business name, we had all sorts of different jobs going,

00:15:31.800 and we'd just work anywhere and anytime we could.

00:15:34.960 This is while you're in high school?

00:15:36.340 Yeah.

00:15:36.740 Yeah.

00:15:37.020 How's the business going?

00:15:38.620 We've had to put it on pause the last couple months.

00:15:40.680 We were pretty busy with our current situation, but we're looking at getting back into it this fall and firing it back up to life.

00:15:47.740 So, what, how would you characterize your relationship with your brother, and how are you two involved in this trouble you're generating together?

00:15:56.560 Yeah, me and Josh are very close.

00:15:58.040 It's kind of a triune, trying to work in a triune way, me, Monty Walker, and Josh, and running this, running Safe Canada, trying to wake up the youth here.

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00:17:45.600 I see.

00:17:49.240 Okay, okay.

00:17:50.200 And now, so you posted a picture, you said, on Snapchat.

00:17:54.860 Snapchat.

00:17:55.540 And then you asked people to meet you at your locker.

00:17:58.600 And they met you.

00:17:59.740 This is the first walkout.

00:18:01.100 So walk me through that.

00:18:03.240 How did you organize that exactly?

00:18:04.980 You said in about 50 kids participated?

00:18:07.520 One out of six.

00:18:08.300 Is that about right?

00:18:09.440 Yeah, I guess so.

00:18:10.360 Okay.

00:18:10.500 But, yeah, I had actually, I had never announced a walkout before, organized one.

00:18:17.040 But earlier on in the fall, there was a movement going on.

00:18:21.300 I saw it online and it was a walkout from your businesses and your employment and all that.

00:18:27.300 And I said, I'm doing it.

00:18:29.580 And actually, three guys walked out with me.

00:18:31.460 So we were four guys.

00:18:32.660 And then I think maybe six community members came out.

00:18:35.460 And it was really small, but it was just like.

00:18:37.060 That was the first one.

00:18:38.080 This is a small initiative.

00:18:39.120 I didn't start it.

00:18:40.100 I was like, but I'll support it.

00:18:41.860 And I walked out and a couple of guys followed me.

00:18:44.440 And then months later, we decided to actually organize them on our own.

00:18:49.120 And, yeah, I had no idea what it was going to look like.

00:18:52.220 The last one, three guys followed me.

00:18:53.480 Right, right, right.

00:18:54.080 But I started to hear some chatter and all this around the school.

00:19:00.920 And I'm waiting at my locker at the time.

00:19:02.640 And around the corner, I see a bunch of kids holding the Gadsden flag and Canadian flags.

00:19:08.720 And all sorts of stuff.

00:19:09.940 And they had signs.

00:19:12.100 It was amazing to see.

00:19:14.260 Yeah, you seem happy about it still.

00:19:16.340 Yeah.

00:19:16.860 Why?

00:19:17.320 Why were you so pleased about that?

00:19:19.160 Well, it was just refreshing to see after watching relationships get strained over the issue.

00:19:30.100 And I'd be sitting in the office for three hours a day just arguing when I should be in class learning.

00:19:38.460 And I'd be getting yelled at by my teachers nonstop and just disciplined constantly.

00:19:45.760 So now you had a bit of a crew.

00:19:47.600 Yeah.

00:19:47.860 And now we're walking out with numbers.

00:19:50.180 And we just decided to go around.

00:19:52.720 I had my crew following me.

00:19:54.240 And we just went to every classroom and said, all right, we're walking out.

00:19:57.120 Let's go.

00:19:57.860 And students would get up.

00:19:59.040 And they'd follow us out.

00:20:00.360 So they left their classrooms as you walked through the school?

00:20:02.660 Yeah.

00:20:04.080 And how did the teachers and the administrators react to that?

00:20:07.420 Some would yell at me.

00:20:08.920 Some would slam their doors.

00:20:10.200 Some would.

00:20:11.240 I mean, there was a couple who wouldn't say anything, which I would take their silence as a bit of support.

00:20:18.400 Or some of them would even be smiling under their masks while watching the students walk out of their classes.

00:20:22.880 And they didn't mind it all that much.

00:20:25.160 What percentage of teachers do you think were neutral or on your side?

00:20:28.760 Very few.

00:20:30.380 There was very few.

00:20:31.500 But there would be a couple.

00:20:33.600 How would you distinguish the teachers who were neutral or on your side from the ones who weren't?

00:20:41.200 Nowadays, teachers make it pretty clear what their stances are.

00:20:44.100 They're supposed to leave politics and all that out of the classroom, but they don't.

00:20:46.780 Yeah, right.

00:20:47.520 And basically, the ones that shout at me aren't on my side.

00:20:53.680 Okay.

00:20:54.200 That seems pretty straightforward.

00:20:55.580 Nick, why do you think, what is it about your brother, do you think, that put him in this position?

00:21:02.660 Well, I think there's a few different things that attribute it.

00:21:06.440 But he's naturally a very strong leader.

00:21:09.220 People will naturally follow him.

00:21:11.360 Why?

00:21:14.680 I couldn't tell you.

00:21:16.320 There's a...

00:21:16.960 Guess.

00:21:17.840 Guess.

00:21:19.400 He's very intelligent.

00:21:20.760 He's well-spoken.

00:21:21.740 He's very confident.

00:21:22.700 People follow confidence, especially in a day and age like today, where you look at the youth.

00:21:26.080 There's no confidence.

00:21:26.700 Do you think it's a true confidence?

00:21:28.220 Yeah, absolutely.

00:21:29.100 Do you think he's competent?

00:21:30.560 Very competent.

00:21:31.080 Do you think he's honest?

00:21:32.220 Very honest.

00:21:33.500 Very honest.

00:21:34.500 He has a lot of integrity.

00:21:34.860 How did he learn to be honest, do you think?

00:21:37.700 Well, we've had a fairly good role model from our father.

00:21:40.400 Okay, so tell me about your father.

00:21:42.260 He's a veteran.

00:21:43.600 He's now a school teacher.

00:21:46.420 He's pastored a church.

00:21:47.820 He started a church when we were younger down in Arizona.

00:21:49.700 Yeah, he set a very high example for us.

00:21:54.040 He raised us, right, I believe, and corrected us when we were wrong.

00:21:58.620 Do you have a good relationship with your father?

00:22:00.260 Yeah, it's a very good relationship, yeah.

00:22:01.520 Both of you.

00:22:01.540 You respect him?

00:22:02.780 Absolutely.

00:22:03.820 Absolutely.

00:22:04.500 Well, that's quite a lot of respect.

00:22:05.960 Why do you respect him?

00:22:07.620 Well, I mean, you look at our culture today, and the number one thing that's under attack

00:22:12.680 is the nuclear family, right?

00:22:13.920 And the Bible tells us—

00:22:16.920 Well, I don't know, gender might be attack, under attack.

00:22:19.180 But that itself is attacking the nuclear family.

00:22:21.240 Fair enough, yeah, yeah.

00:22:22.480 And all of it leads back to the nuclear family, and the Bible tells us,

00:22:25.840 honor thy father and thy mother.

00:22:27.360 And both of them have been excellent role models, and I love them very much,

00:22:32.760 and I respect them, and they're good leaders, and they've stood by me through all this,

00:22:39.500 and now both of them are out of their jobs because of me.

00:22:42.040 Yeah, yeah.

00:22:43.320 So, Nick, maybe you can pick up on that.

00:22:45.420 So, what happened with your parents?

00:22:49.860 Your dad was teaching.

00:22:51.380 Your mom, what was her job?

00:22:53.500 She's also a school teacher.

00:22:55.440 So, you guys are really in this all the way, aren't you?

00:22:58.100 Okay, so what happened to your parents as a consequence of the political action

00:23:02.220 that you guys started to take?

00:23:03.740 Right.

00:23:04.380 Yeah, well, I believe the board is targeting them merely because of our stance.

00:23:08.360 They want to retaliate in any way they can in our parents' jobs.

00:23:11.460 Because government jobs are obviously their first target.

00:23:15.800 So, the dad was suspended from his job.

00:23:19.840 When?

00:23:21.540 When was it?

00:23:22.240 It would have been in the last spring.

00:23:23.700 I don't remember the date.

00:23:24.400 I believe it was late spring.

00:23:25.620 Okay, yeah.

00:23:26.800 And a few weeks after, my mom was also suspended.

00:23:29.360 And what was the justification for that?

00:23:31.480 So, my dad was suspended because the, on paper, the justification was because of his online actions,

00:23:36.800 which was funny because at the time he had no social media.

00:23:39.680 It wasn't until after, in response to that, that he actually got social media.

00:23:43.160 So, when they put him on leave from his work, they said it was for his online actions on social media.

00:23:48.060 And he had no Twitter, no Instagram.

00:23:49.760 So, what were his online actions?

00:23:51.220 He had none.

00:23:51.760 It was a blatant lie.

00:23:53.380 Blatant lie by the board.

00:23:54.840 And so, afterwards, he got his, you can look up the date he got his Twitter.

00:23:58.280 Yeah, no, that's fine.

00:23:59.380 And that's when he got it.

00:24:00.140 He got it because of that.

00:24:01.880 And, yeah, a few weeks really later, my mom was also put under investigation

00:24:05.820 because somebody went up to her door and posted a pride flag on her classroom door,

00:24:11.340 which no one has to write.

00:24:12.480 It's her classroom.

00:24:13.460 There's no reason to do that.

00:24:14.440 So, she went up in the morning, just took it off the door.

00:24:16.880 And she was placed under investigation for that.

00:24:20.500 And on what grounds?

00:24:22.320 Just touching the sacred object?

00:24:24.740 Like, what exactly was the problem there?

00:24:26.820 The fact, I guess it's considered hateful to not want to plague us all.

00:24:30.700 They said she was a danger to students.

00:24:32.740 And this was a kindergarten classroom that they posted the flag on.

00:24:36.280 A better question is why is there a pride flag on the door of a kindergarten classroom?

00:24:41.520 That's my question.

00:24:43.020 Not the fact that the teacher took it off.

00:24:45.080 Yeah, well, it's the mob for you, buddy.

00:24:48.180 Yeah.

00:24:48.660 So, you weren't very political before you went to the trucker convoy?

00:24:52.720 Not especially political, no.

00:24:54.280 All right.

00:24:54.720 I would have had fairly strong beliefs, but I wasn't very active.

00:24:58.960 And now?

00:25:01.480 Whether you consider it politics or morals, I'm quite involved in what's currently happening.

00:25:07.340 And how are you involved now?

00:25:09.640 We're running a lot of different protests and meeting a lot of students.

00:25:14.660 We're really trying to wake up the youth in this generation.

00:25:17.240 Yeah.

00:25:17.360 Because that's what has to happen.

00:25:19.300 They have to get a walk in.

00:25:20.180 You got punched here a little while ago, didn't you?

00:25:23.100 Everyone thinks it was a punch.

00:25:24.500 It was a blade of some sort.

00:25:26.660 I'm not sure.

00:25:27.040 I believe it was a bladed glove.

00:25:28.360 It could have been a knife, but a lot of the Antifa guys were wearing a bladed glove.

00:25:31.400 Exactly what happened.

00:25:32.320 Now, this was a recent protest.

00:25:34.560 Yeah.

00:25:34.880 June, or sorry, September 22nd.

00:25:36.520 Yeah.

00:25:36.740 So, tell me exactly what happened that day.

00:25:39.500 Yeah.

00:25:40.000 So, we were, Josh and Billboard Chris obviously organized a protest against gender ideology

00:25:46.240 near Victoria's Park, I believe, right?

00:25:48.620 Yeah.

00:25:48.900 Victoria's College Collegiate Institute.

00:25:50.660 Yeah.

00:25:51.360 And so, we had a decent turnout.

00:25:54.140 Not as big as we were expecting, but decent turnout.

00:25:56.140 And there's also a large Antifa crowd.

00:25:57.740 And right off the get-go, so we got to the event maybe 45 minutes early.

00:26:01.100 And right off the get-go, about 30 Antifa are across the street.

00:26:04.140 And at this point, it's just me, Josh.

00:26:06.060 Were they all masked up?

00:26:07.200 Masked up.

00:26:07.780 Masked up.

00:26:08.220 Yeah, they're so brave, baby.

00:26:09.160 Plagues, signs, yeah.

00:26:09.980 Yeah, yeah.

00:26:10.600 Yeah.

00:26:10.820 They're really quite the contemptible lot.

00:26:13.220 Yeah.

00:26:14.100 And?

00:26:14.660 Okay.

00:26:14.920 So, Josh is doing an interview with one of the media companies.

00:26:18.040 I can't remember who it was.

00:26:19.020 We do a lot of interviews.

00:26:20.260 But as he's doing this, there's only about five of us there.

00:26:23.480 We're early.

00:26:24.340 And the Antifa crowd comes running up the street, crosses their side of the street, and just swarms

00:26:28.900 us instantly, goes physical right off the bat.

00:26:31.060 Charges into us.

00:26:31.920 Okay, goes physical meaning what?

00:26:33.360 What are they doing?

00:26:33.960 Physically charging into us, pushing us back.

00:26:36.400 And there's about five of you guys?

00:26:38.280 Five of us, yeah.

00:26:39.120 Yeah.

00:26:39.240 So, we're just, there's me, Monty, Daisy meeting a couple of veterans for Freedom Guys.

00:26:44.540 So, we just make a line in front of Josh.

00:26:46.300 He's trying to do an interview.

00:26:47.220 They're clearly trying to get at him.

00:26:49.700 And so, we're not, we never get physical back.

00:26:52.700 We stand our ground, but we don't punch.

00:26:54.100 We don't respond.

00:26:54.660 We don't retaliate.

00:26:55.880 So, they're attacking us.

00:26:57.520 And one of the guys is actually on a video.

00:26:59.160 One of them has a baton.

00:27:00.060 He starts swinging the baton.

00:27:01.060 I caught the baton in the air and chucked it out behind me.

00:27:04.200 But, so, that was how it started right off the get-go.

00:27:06.900 And as this is happening, we're clearly being attacked.

00:27:09.380 Toronto police are there.

00:27:10.780 And we had a meeting with the liaisons about half an hour prior.

00:27:14.080 And they stated that they had 100 police officers on the ground.

00:27:18.620 60 public order ready to go to keep things peaceful.

00:27:22.460 So, as we're, as these Antifa guys are attacking us, we look behind me.

00:27:26.560 I see all the Toronto police drive by, stop, multiple cruisers, guys on bikes.

00:27:31.100 And then look, see what's happening and speed off continues.

00:27:33.540 Leave us right there in the street.

00:27:35.320 So, shortly after, our crowd really started showing up in numbers.

00:27:39.720 And so, once-

00:27:40.040 How do you explain the fact that the cops left?

00:27:43.160 They don't like doing their job.

00:27:44.360 They never do.

00:27:45.600 Well, it's strange, eh?

00:27:46.580 Because you'd think, you'd think that the police, the natural sympathy of the police would be more aligned with what you guys are doing.

00:27:56.420 You would think, especially after all the events of 2020.

00:27:59.680 But no, not at all.

00:28:00.380 They're very much, very much favorable towards the radical left and they're the violent radical left.

00:28:08.640 Do you think that's a top-down command?

00:28:10.440 Absolutely.

00:28:11.400 In fact, I've been told as much by certain officers.

00:28:13.340 A trend we've been seeing at a lot of our events is that the officers will make a line in between our crowd and the woke mob.

00:28:21.320 And the officers will be facing our crowd with their back to the woke mob.

00:28:24.240 And they've said they're quite nervous.

00:28:27.600 I have a relationship with a handful of officers and they're nervous having that violent crowd behind you that knows no bounds, has no moral compass.

00:28:37.260 And no, it's absolutely a command from the top down.

00:28:39.900 So, when you're being pushed and shoved by 30 people and there's five of you and some of them have batons, let's say, how do you keep your temper under control?

00:28:50.780 I've honestly never had a problem or very rarely had a problem getting my temper under control with that.

00:28:55.460 Oh, okay.

00:28:56.540 They test you sometimes.

00:28:57.820 I'll say that much.

00:28:58.540 But I think in the end, it's more important that we stay grounded on what we believe in and in truth and take the high ground as opposed to the violent ground that they're taking.

00:29:10.600 Yeah, well, that's an easy thing to say until there's, you know, 30 people pushing you and being as provocative as they possibly can.

00:29:17.620 I mean, and you haven't broken that before, eh?

00:29:20.820 You haven't let your temper leap out.

00:29:22.620 I have lost my temper, but I haven't lost it in public.

00:29:27.480 You haven't lost it in public.

00:29:28.400 I'm a human.

00:29:28.840 Well, congratulations.

00:29:29.840 I think we've all lost our tempers here and there.

00:29:32.540 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:29:33.240 But you haven't lost it in public.

00:29:34.500 How about you?

00:29:35.500 No, I mean, there was a clip that got aired on Fox News a while back.

00:29:40.640 I was in Alberta and BLM and Antifa surrounded me outside of high school and they just started throwing me around.

00:29:53.280 They were punching me.

00:29:54.100 A kid tried to set me on fire.

00:29:55.900 They were choking me with my, I had a cross on my neck and they were trying to choke me out with it.

00:30:02.840 Oh, yeah, that's symbolic.

00:30:03.800 One of them, one of the ladies, the BLM leaders, Taylor McNally, I believe, went into the back of my pants in this struggle.

00:30:14.620 Anyways, the police run in, they arrest me, but I just have my hands up in the air while they're doing this.

00:30:21.120 And like, there's not much you can do because my goal isn't to run in there and fight with crazed activists.

00:30:29.760 I want to get through to students and I want to be a responsible role model to them and be able to bring them the truth in a way that they will listen to it.

00:30:37.440 So when a student watches me get attacked, not retaliate, continue to talk to them while I'm being attacked and then get arrested, be told if I come back, I'll be charged.

00:30:49.120 With?

00:30:50.520 Breaching the peace.

00:30:51.860 Oh, yeah.

00:30:52.740 They interrogate me about what scripture I'm using and stuff.

00:30:56.400 What do you mean they interrogate you about what scripture you're using?

00:30:59.320 They, so they arrested me while I was handing out students, handing out Bibles to students and I got attacked.

00:31:06.020 The police ran in, arrested me after watching what had happened.

00:31:10.120 I had my hands in the air getting thrown around and then they had me in custody for a while and started asking me about which verses I was using

00:31:20.960 and whether I had violated a conflict bylaw regarding the Alphabet community and.

00:31:28.160 Violated it how?

00:31:29.840 By using verses that would target that community.

00:31:33.440 And so that was a complete.

00:31:35.260 That's fun.

00:31:36.100 Yeah.

00:31:36.420 That was a complete free speech violation, but.

00:31:39.220 No, it's worse than that.

00:31:41.200 Right.

00:31:41.580 That's a freedom of conscience violation.

00:31:43.780 That's a freedom of religious belief violation.

00:31:46.880 Right.

00:31:47.680 Yeah.

00:31:47.980 But, yeah, anyways, that happens.

00:31:51.180 They tell me if you return, you're going to be the one that gets charged, whether it's you that gets assaulted or not.

00:31:56.820 And they even told this to my lawyer.

00:31:58.600 Whether it's you that gets assaulted or not.

00:32:00.080 Yeah, they said no matter what.

00:32:01.300 They said even if I don't get assaulted, if I do get assaulted, no matter what, if I step back,

00:32:05.460 if I walk back towards that school, I will be arrested.

00:32:08.740 And I knew that I had to make a decision there because these, I'd been there four minutes.

00:32:15.460 These students were walking out.

00:32:16.960 It was a walkout called the I Stand with Josh Alexander walkout.

00:32:21.500 And it was organized by Liberty Coalition Canada.

00:32:24.120 These students have come out all the way across the country to support me.

00:32:27.640 I flew down to see them and to visit with Pastor Arthur Pawlowski.

00:32:32.620 And, anyways, I go and see them and I get arrested four minutes later.

00:32:37.440 So, I wanted to return.

00:32:39.160 Four whole minutes.

00:32:39.980 Yeah, I lasted four whole minutes in Calgary.

00:32:43.100 And then.

00:32:44.680 Calgary has a pretty woke mayor.

00:32:46.520 Yeah.

00:32:46.900 To say the least.

00:32:48.400 And the Calgary Police Department is just brutal.

00:32:52.360 But, anyways, I get released from custody.

00:32:56.260 They tell me, if you return, you will be arrested.

00:32:59.860 And I said, okay.

00:33:01.500 And keep your damn Bibles out of here.

00:33:03.480 Yeah.

00:33:03.740 And they told my lawyer, they said, so, yeah, if you're, if Josh just leaves the premises now,

00:33:09.680 we shouldn't have to arrest him again.

00:33:12.180 We won't have to talk again.

00:33:14.320 And my lawyer said, okay, talk soon.

00:33:16.800 Right, right.

00:33:17.620 I, I grabbed my Bibles.

00:33:19.540 I went down the sidewalk and even more students, hundreds of students come out now because they've

00:33:25.100 all seen me get arrested with the police now following me as I get closer to the school.

00:33:29.480 If I get within their boundaries, they'll take me down.

00:33:31.560 And just before, I was going to walk right in.

00:33:35.280 And just before I crossed that line, the whole crowd rushed towards me and I started getting attacked again.

00:33:42.900 But I was in a location where I was able to maneuver around a little bit more and get students to talk to.

00:33:48.620 And we were there for hours just talking to them.

00:33:51.400 And they, they're able to respect your opinion more so when they've seen how much of a risk you'll take to express it.

00:33:58.880 Who's more likely to respect your opinion?

00:34:00.660 Students.

00:34:01.380 Students.

00:34:02.360 And, and just how confident you are in portraying it.

00:34:09.260 And so that was, I would certainly say that was a success.

00:34:12.380 But had I lost my temper, it would have just completely failed.

00:34:14.840 One thing with today's students is they will follow anyone with, like I said, confidence and courage.

00:34:20.420 That's really lacking in today's generation.

00:34:22.340 So any youth with that, they will follow.

00:34:24.380 Okay.

00:34:24.740 So let's go back to when you got cut.

00:34:27.520 All right.

00:34:28.020 So you said you guys were there about 40 minutes before this particular demonstration.

00:34:31.960 That was, that was at Victoria Park?

00:34:34.320 Yeah.

00:34:34.620 Right near Victoria Park.

00:34:35.720 Yeah.

00:34:35.800 Okay.

00:34:36.000 And that was, do you remember the date of that?

00:34:38.280 September 22nd.

00:34:39.580 September 22nd.

00:34:40.720 Okay.

00:34:41.020 So, so you showed up early.

00:34:44.100 There wasn't there very many of you.

00:34:45.600 You guys got rushed.

00:34:46.700 The cops were ignoring you.

00:34:47.980 You were getting shoved around and pushed.

00:34:49.840 That's, that's how the day started off.

00:34:51.200 Okay.

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00:35:59.120 Yeah, so we were there for what, maybe two hours before, that went on throughout the day.

00:36:06.780 The cops refusing to do their job, us getting assaulted, went on, yeah, for a couple hours.

00:36:14.220 And eventually the cops started actually splitting up our crowd.

00:36:17.320 They kind of locked a smaller group of us behind the police line with Antifa behind us and the police on the other side,

00:36:24.320 and the other side, the rest of our crowd on the other side of the police line.

00:36:28.560 And, which really isn't right, because we were the ones that arranged the protest.

00:36:33.820 We talked to the liaison.

00:36:34.640 We talked about it for months.

00:36:35.580 We announced that we have a crowd there.

00:36:37.100 We don't get, it's not right to shut our side out because a group of violent Antifa have showed up and decided to take over the street.

00:36:45.160 But anyway, so be it.

00:36:46.640 So what good was the liaison?

00:36:48.960 Absolutely nothing.

00:36:49.880 So why did the charade occur?

00:36:52.720 Why did they even bother with the liaison?

00:36:54.980 That's a good question.

00:36:56.000 Well, I had bugged the police for two months.

00:36:59.860 In fact, I called them before, and I've organized rallies in Toronto before.

00:37:03.640 They know who I am.

00:37:04.820 They know my name.

00:37:05.780 Yeah, I bet they do.

00:37:06.640 I phoned them.

00:37:08.180 They asked who it was, and I said Josh Alexander, and they immediately had to transfer the call,

00:37:12.500 and they gave me to some special constable, and I talked to him.

00:37:16.340 And finally, like after two months of trying to communicate with these guys, we get a meeting on the ground the day of with these liaison officers.

00:37:25.220 I inform them I want the crowd split it up.

00:37:27.500 I know that there's going to be a violent union-supported protest.

00:37:31.220 Oh, that's right.

00:37:32.040 The unions came out right on the Antifa side, and so did Jagmeet Singh.

00:37:36.380 He marched with Antifa.

00:37:38.140 Yeah.

00:37:38.780 Right.

00:37:39.160 He's such fun.

00:37:40.060 Yeah, no, that was on the 20th, but that day when Jagmeet showed up, he was mouthing a whole pile of words at me and Nick,

00:37:49.240 and he was making gestures with his hands at us.

00:37:51.500 He was looking at doing this at us.

00:37:53.620 He was, was he?

00:37:54.420 Yeah, yeah.

00:37:55.160 Were you terrified?

00:37:56.280 Not at all, no.

00:37:57.400 It was entertaining.

00:38:00.840 Yeah, he's quite the piece of filthy work as far as I'm concerned.

00:38:03.960 Boy, he's got all the faults of Trudeau and none of the virtues, and the virtues of Trudeau is a very short list.

00:38:10.420 Quite lacking.

00:38:11.140 That's for sure.

00:38:11.880 So if you have none of them and all the faults, boy, you're quite the piece of work.

00:38:16.340 Oh, yeah.

00:38:16.700 So he was actively engaged with you two.

00:38:19.900 What was he?

00:38:21.100 Oh, yeah.

00:38:21.520 That's real heroic of him.

00:38:22.680 You'd think a political leader of one of the biggest parties in Canada would have a little bit more…

00:38:27.420 Decorum?

00:38:28.300 Decorum.

00:38:28.700 Yeah, you might think that, right, if we weren't led by a bunch of, like, delusional 13-year-old girls.

00:38:35.760 Yeah.

00:38:36.320 Yeah, yeah, it's quite something to see.

00:38:38.180 Okay, so this protest was quite aggressive right at the beginning, and you guys weren't…

00:38:44.800 Not only were you not experiencing any real police support, as far as you're concerned, they were actually putting you at a disadvantage.

00:38:51.580 Absolutely.

00:38:52.140 Okay, strategically.

00:38:53.160 Okay, so what happens to you?

00:38:55.040 So I was standing down kind of behind their lines.

00:39:00.340 I was in the smaller group that was separated, and they would allow…

00:39:02.940 If my group wanted to go back and join my crowd, I could, but they wouldn't allow anyone else to join me.

00:39:08.620 So I was just having…

00:39:09.680 They were talking with some Antifa.

00:39:11.120 I start sharing the gospel, as we always do.

00:39:13.120 Make a point.

00:39:13.620 And it's regardless of whether you're on my side of the ideological war or on their side, I still want to see everyone there saved.

00:39:22.160 I don't want to see…

00:39:23.000 I believe absolutely that all of us are sinners, and we all need Jesus, and so I want to see all of them saved.

00:39:28.180 So I was talking with them, sharing the gospel with them.

00:39:30.340 So when you say you're sharing the gospel under those circumstances, what exactly are you doing?

00:39:36.300 Telling them the truth.

00:39:37.400 Okay, how do you do that?

00:39:38.900 By explaining to them that me, them, you, all of us are sinners, destined to an eternity in hell.

00:39:44.820 Unless we turn to the cross of Jesus and receive his full and free gift of salvation, we will perish.

00:39:49.140 We will pay the wages of our sin.

00:39:51.120 It's the only hope that there is for this world, is Jesus Christ and his sacrifice.

00:39:55.080 His blood is atoning blood.

00:39:56.580 And so I was sharing that message with them, which really isn't a message of hate.

00:40:00.900 That's a message of love.

00:40:02.160 It's that you've wronged the creator of the universe, but he loves you.

00:40:06.020 That's never a good idea.

00:40:06.980 Never a good idea.

00:40:07.720 But we've all done it.

00:40:09.340 And he loves you enough to come down and die for you to pay for your sins.

00:40:13.240 And offers you free salvation.

00:40:14.860 So you're trying to make that case in the midst of this melee.

00:40:17.540 Absolutely, yeah.

00:40:18.520 So what do you think is the relationship between, let's say, the positive relationship you have with your father,

00:40:26.200 and the respect for him that you have, perhaps with your mother too,

00:40:29.880 your religious belief and your political action, as far as you're concerned?

00:40:34.980 How are those things tied together?

00:40:36.480 Well, I think my political action are based on my moral compass.

00:40:40.820 My moral compass is based on my biblical beliefs, the Bible, and the outline set there for us.

00:40:47.200 Okay.

00:40:47.680 Okay.

00:40:48.040 Okay.

00:40:48.360 So let's go to when you get attacked.

00:40:50.700 Yeah.

00:40:50.860 What happens?

00:40:51.460 So, yeah, I'm talking with them, and one of the guys on the front of their line dives out and tries to tackle me.

00:41:00.480 So I kind of push him off me.

00:41:01.620 He's masked?

00:41:02.380 Masked.

00:41:02.720 They're always masked.

00:41:03.660 The physical ones are always masked.

00:41:05.240 Usually they all are.

00:41:06.080 But if they're physical, they're guaranteed to be masked.

00:41:08.620 I see.

00:41:09.240 I see.

00:41:09.700 So do you suppose that the people who are masking up like that, like, they're planning physical violence,

00:41:16.380 and that's why they're wearing the mask?

00:41:17.940 Or do you suppose it's the fact that their mask disinhibits them when they're at the rally?

00:41:22.140 That, and also, because I don't think they're proud of what they're standing for.

00:41:25.340 I can go there without a mask on because I'm proud of what I'm standing on.

00:41:27.740 Yeah.

00:41:28.200 Oh, yeah.

00:41:28.600 I think the same thing.

00:41:29.600 It's like if you have to show up to your protest in a mask, you're a narcissistic coward, right?

00:41:36.200 And a dangerous one, too.

00:41:37.980 Yeah, and the police should be using that as a marker for true psychopathy, right?

00:41:43.380 It's absolutely inexcusable.

00:41:45.800 So, okay.

00:41:46.640 So this guy comes after you?

00:41:48.800 Yeah.

00:41:49.040 So he dives into the crowd, just a little guy, tries to tackle me.

00:41:51.660 And so I'm trying to grapple with him, trying to get him off me.

00:41:55.020 I have one hand up in the air to show this cop saying I'm not assaulting him.

00:41:57.840 I'm being attacked here.

00:41:58.740 So you're protecting yourself with one hand.

00:42:01.200 Yeah.

00:42:01.480 Well, first, as soon as he attacked me, I went two hands on him, put him down, trying to get him off me.

00:42:05.780 I have one hand up in the air, trying to keep him away with one hand.

00:42:08.540 And while I'm dealing with this, another assailant literally dives over their line with whether it was a bladed gloves.

00:42:15.200 A lot of them were wearing bladed gloves or a knife or whatever it was.

00:42:17.240 Tell me exactly what a bladed glove is.

00:42:19.220 It's a glove with a blade on the fingers, a blade's coming up the hands here, and a blade on the thumb.

00:42:24.960 And are those visible from a distance?

00:42:27.160 Oh, yeah.

00:42:27.500 So the cops don't do anything about that?

00:42:29.800 Because I don't imagine those are legal weapons.

00:42:32.240 I haven't looked into it.

00:42:33.500 I presume they're not legal, but I haven't looked into it.

00:42:35.820 But no, the cops don't do anything about that.

00:42:39.280 And this isn't a new thing.

00:42:40.620 We've had Antifa bring knives to our events for a long time.

00:42:44.600 Yeah.

00:42:45.420 So anyways, yeah.

00:42:47.100 So this guy dives across.

00:42:48.180 And I kind of, in my peripheral vision, I see him coming.

00:42:50.340 So I back my head out of most of the head.

00:42:52.060 And he just grazes across my eye.

00:42:53.220 You can probably see this guy there.

00:42:54.440 It's just five or six stitches.

00:42:56.020 I can't remember what it was.

00:42:57.220 But...

00:42:57.580 And how close is that to your eye?

00:42:59.980 Maybe an inch.

00:43:03.180 And...

00:43:03.900 Oh, yeah.

00:43:04.200 That's pushing it.

00:43:05.180 It's pushing it.

00:43:06.020 Yeah.

00:43:06.380 Especially for...

00:43:06.980 I'd say so.

00:43:07.380 Yeah.

00:43:07.840 Yeah.

00:43:09.700 Okay.

00:43:10.020 So now you're cut.

00:43:11.500 Yeah.

00:43:11.740 So I'm cut.

00:43:13.140 I kind of stand up.

00:43:14.660 I watch.

00:43:15.620 I can't see a lot.

00:43:16.960 I have a lot of blood in my vision.

00:43:18.520 It's kind of blurry.

00:43:19.440 But what I believe, the cops picked up the guy who attacked me and put him back in his

00:43:23.360 crowd and kind of closed in all around us everywhere.

00:43:25.520 They picked him up and put him back in the crowd.

00:43:27.520 Yep.

00:43:27.740 They didn't arrest him.

00:43:28.520 Didn't arrest him.

00:43:29.700 And so I see the cops.

00:43:31.660 Everyone's kind of closing in around me.

00:43:33.040 It's hard to see.

00:43:33.480 And the cops start ordering me to leave.

00:43:35.980 I'm like, no.

00:43:36.560 I was just attacked with a blade.

00:43:38.640 I'm not...

00:43:39.220 I'm going to stand there.

00:43:40.120 And how did they do that exactly?

00:43:41.380 A particular officer came up to you?

00:43:43.180 Like, how did they order you to leave?

00:43:44.700 Yeah.

00:43:44.960 Well, they started out.

00:43:45.640 They do want medical attention.

00:43:46.740 I said, no, I'm all right.

00:43:47.340 I'll just keep doing what I'm doing.

00:43:48.900 Perfectly polite.

00:43:49.920 And another officer walks up.

00:43:51.520 If you don't leave, I'm going to arrest you.

00:43:53.420 So I said, I have every right to be here.

00:43:56.120 I'm going to continue standing here and talking.

00:43:57.520 I'm on a public sidewalk.

00:43:59.120 Every right to be there.

00:44:00.300 And so I continued talking, continued sharing the gospel to members of the opposing side.

00:44:06.180 And there's this one girl on the other side that I was talking to.

00:44:08.840 And it was like, she almost snapped.

00:44:09.820 I saw it in her eyes.

00:44:10.660 It was like, what I was saying was registering with her.

00:44:12.680 I don't know if it was the fact that I just got attacked.

00:44:14.480 I'm covered in blood.

00:44:15.180 And I'm still talking, trying to...

00:44:17.140 Well, that would add a little more drama to the conversation.

00:44:18.320 It would, a little more drama to it.

00:44:19.760 Yeah.

00:44:20.020 Yeah.

00:44:20.600 And so it seemed to hit home.

00:44:22.000 So I just continued talking to her.

00:44:23.580 And there's a veteran beside me.

00:44:25.320 We call him Wild Bill.

00:44:26.340 He's a combat veteran.

00:44:28.740 He's airborne.

00:44:29.920 And the cops tell him to leave.

00:44:32.060 And he says, he's not leaving my side.

00:44:34.200 And at this point, he's bleeding too.

00:44:35.820 Because, so what they did is they had an umbrella.

00:44:37.600 And they broke the umbrella off.

00:44:39.200 And it had a spear point like that at the end.

00:44:41.060 Not an actual spear point, but very pointy umbrella.

00:44:43.460 And they basically fabricated into a spear.

00:44:45.500 And they were trying to stab us with that.

00:44:46.720 And they caught him in the hand.

00:44:47.620 His hand was all bloody from it.

00:44:49.780 And so the cops tell him, if you don't leave, you're going to be arrested.

00:44:53.920 And he says, I'm not leaving a side.

00:44:55.420 Don't imagine they were scaring him that much.

00:44:57.240 No, I think he's seen a lot worse than Antifa and the Toronto police.

00:45:01.500 But, so yeah, they arrested him, placed him under arrest.

00:45:04.220 And then 30 seconds later, placed me under arrest.

00:45:07.120 And did they tell you what the charge was?

00:45:11.120 Well, that's a funny thing.

00:45:12.040 So at the time, they told me it was obstruction.

00:45:14.280 Obstruction of what?

00:45:15.680 Well, that's the general charge.

00:45:17.480 Obstruction of justice.

00:45:19.220 Um, how exactly, I don't know.

00:45:21.220 And then when I got, when they went to book me into the cell, to the holding cell,

00:45:24.640 they told me it was breach of the peace.

00:45:26.160 And they told the crowd that it was for assault.

00:45:29.300 For assault.

00:45:29.940 Yeah, so put that together.

00:45:31.500 Okay, so they trot you off to jail.

00:45:33.720 And so you're wondering what's going on, I presume?

00:45:36.720 Yeah, I mean, I was on the ground here trying to do interviews.

00:45:40.060 And somebody runs up and they tap my shoulder.

00:45:42.940 They tell me that Nick is being assaulted on the wrong side of the line.

00:45:48.000 And he's trapped.

00:45:49.280 Wrong side of the line, meaning?

00:45:50.720 Meaning the police have, like, excluded him in with the counter-protest.

00:45:55.040 And like he was saying, they blocked off certain members of our crowd.

00:45:57.800 And at the time, it happened to be him and Wild Bill.

00:46:01.320 So I run over there and I'm, Wild Bill.

00:46:03.880 He's a character.

00:46:04.960 This is ridiculous, man.

00:46:06.040 You guys, Wild Bill and Billboard Chris.

00:46:08.700 And the Alexander brothers, right?

00:46:11.440 Out there causing trouble.

00:46:13.220 So, yeah, I run over there and I tell the police, I say, who's in charge here?

00:46:19.120 Is there a sergeant?

00:46:19.960 I need to talk to somebody.

00:46:20.980 And they all just stare blankly over my shoulder, as they always do.

00:46:27.100 And finally, like, I have a megaphone.

00:46:29.780 So I just start using that to make it very clear.

00:46:31.980 There's cameras.

00:46:32.560 There's reporters all around me.

00:46:33.760 And I'm like, I need to speak to the officer in charge.

00:46:38.420 So finally, a sergeant comes up and he starts talking to me.

00:46:41.000 And I tell them.

00:46:42.360 And what was the tenor of that conversation?

00:46:44.400 Again, because we have this weird situation where, as far as you guys are concerned, the police, at least secretly, are somewhat predisposed to be positive to you.

00:46:54.100 And so now you're putting this guy on the spot because your brother's arrested.

00:46:58.060 He isn't even arrested at this point.

00:47:00.120 This is where I realize that something's about to happen.

00:47:02.960 And I go up to him and I tell him.

00:47:04.860 The policeman?

00:47:05.740 Yeah.

00:47:06.000 I tell him, look, my brother's across the line there.

00:47:09.380 I'm the organizer of this event.

00:47:10.860 I've been talking to you guys for two months.

00:47:12.720 You've already kind of betrayed us here.

00:47:15.780 And I need to go speak to my brother.

00:47:18.240 So let me open up the line.

00:47:19.480 Let me go through.

00:47:20.180 If you want to bring an escort because you're worried I'm going to start agitating, that's fine.

00:47:24.720 Do that.

00:47:25.920 So they refuse that.

00:47:27.580 They say I can't talk to him.

00:47:29.300 And they're keeping their line closed.

00:47:31.320 And why can't you talk to him?

00:47:33.220 They don't give an answer.

00:47:34.420 They never do.

00:47:35.360 But so I walk away and I tell them, look, something's going to happen.

00:47:39.760 You've been warned.

00:47:40.440 And then I start looking for an even higher officer and looking for my liaison officer,

00:47:45.380 somebody that can pull some strings here and make something happen.

00:47:49.540 But anyways, about 10 minutes later, as I'm doing my thing, somebody runs up to me again.

00:47:55.360 And they're like, your brother's bleeding.

00:47:56.680 So I go over there and I see the blood pouring down his face.

00:48:01.680 And I ask the cops what happened.

00:48:07.080 And I mean, I was pretty mad at the time, but I hadn't lost my temper.

00:48:11.120 I was still fully under control.

00:48:12.200 And I'm actually still conducting interviews while doing this.

00:48:14.880 And then I get a hand reaches over from the other side of the police line and taps me.

00:48:23.060 And it's Wild Bill, the veteran.

00:48:24.900 And he hands me his keys and he says, I love you, Josh, but they're arresting me now.

00:48:30.620 And I got to go.

00:48:31.660 He says, can you hang on to these for me?

00:48:33.080 I said, sure.

00:48:33.780 So I take these.

00:48:34.900 And they arrested him on the same kind of charges they arrested you, I presume?

00:48:38.220 Yeah.

00:48:38.560 Despite the fact that he'd been stabbed with an umbrella?

00:48:40.860 Yeah, yeah.

00:48:41.560 We're both bleeding and, yeah.

00:48:43.880 Yeah, so.

00:48:44.780 Bleeding without a permit.

00:48:46.400 Yeah, yeah.

00:48:47.180 Mm-hmm.

00:48:47.940 Crime.

00:48:48.740 Right, right.

00:48:49.440 Well, you've got a good battle scar out of the deal, so.

00:48:51.440 This is true.

00:48:52.060 You know, yeah, right, yeah.

00:48:55.040 Okay, so.

00:48:56.400 Well, yeah, so he hands me his keys and I look over at Nick.

00:49:00.700 We make eye contact.

00:49:02.000 And at this point, I know, okay, Nick's being arrested too.

00:49:04.560 I've seen it too many times.

00:49:07.020 And so then I see Nick get arrested.

00:49:11.680 And the cops are shouting at me now and they're yelling that I'm going to be arrested.

00:49:17.000 I'm not even on the other side of the line.

00:49:18.940 I'm on my own side talking to them, asking what's going on.

00:49:22.540 And anyways, they arrest him.

00:49:25.760 They start, they throw me around.

00:49:27.180 They actually grab me and fire me into a young lady while I was talking to them.

00:49:30.600 The police did that?

00:49:31.940 And anyways.

00:49:33.700 So what do you mean exactly?

00:49:35.660 Explain that in a bit of detail.

00:49:36.840 So you're standing there talking to who?

00:49:38.800 The police?

00:49:39.340 The police, yeah.

00:49:39.900 Okay, then what happens?

00:49:40.820 And they start to move while Bill and Nick towards the paddy wagon, which is they have

00:49:45.580 to break through their own line.

00:49:46.840 They have to open up their line, let the officers take Nick and Bill through.

00:49:50.880 And as they get closer to the paddy wagon, I'm talking to the police.

00:49:56.600 And there's some that are just standing around.

00:49:58.000 There's some that are walking with the escort.

00:49:59.980 And anyways, one of them just grabs me.

00:50:04.060 I was wearing a vest and a dress shirt.

00:50:06.820 He grabs me from the vest and fires me into this young lady.

00:50:11.140 And they start shouting at me.

00:50:14.220 They were telling me I was going to be arrested.

00:50:15.500 And why do you think he did that?

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00:51:12.760 They're just, I mean, a lot of them, they take unnecessary violent measures just because

00:51:18.820 they can't.

00:51:19.620 A few of them enjoy it.

00:51:20.620 Like they've been standing here in the sun with a bunch of crazy counter protesters screaming

00:51:25.680 in their ear.

00:51:27.140 And they're bored.

00:51:28.000 And they're frustrated.

00:51:29.020 They've done their crowd training, their riot control.

00:51:32.340 And they just do whatever they want.

00:51:36.100 And there'll be no repercussions.

00:51:37.360 And yeah, they know there'll be no repercussions.

00:51:39.260 Look what happened at the Freedom Convoy.

00:51:42.120 Anyways, so they do that.

00:51:44.260 And Nick goes in the paddy wagon.

00:51:46.820 And me and Monty, who is also on the ground, we go running after this paddy wagon.

00:51:52.220 A bunch of students from the school will follow.

00:51:53.760 And I'm trying to talk to officers and I'm trying to figure out where the paddy wagon's

00:51:59.500 going, whether he's being given medical attention, what's going on.

00:52:03.660 So anyways, Monty actually on...

00:52:06.100 Were you worried about him at that point?

00:52:07.680 Well, yeah.

00:52:08.100 I mean, it looked pretty bad at the time.

00:52:10.200 I couldn't tell if it was the eye.

00:52:11.380 There's a lot of blood.

00:52:12.020 Yeah, face bleeds a lot.

00:52:13.320 And there was a pool of blood on the sidewalk where he was standing.

00:52:17.620 So he was littering.

00:52:18.700 Maybe that was the charge.

00:52:21.520 So Monty runs all the way down the road after this paddy wagon, all the way to the police

00:52:28.900 station.

00:52:29.520 He followed it the entire way.

00:52:31.480 I followed it right till it was like around the school.

00:52:35.120 And there's a pile of students chasing the paddy wagon and reporters and other police.

00:52:41.280 And I'm like, okay, Monty's going to follow that.

00:52:43.260 I'm going to go back and talk to the police, try to get charges, try to figure out transportation,

00:52:47.180 get my crowd under control and give them an update.

00:52:49.760 And how many people were there for your protest?

00:52:52.780 I want to say it was a couple hundred.

00:52:54.860 Yeah.

00:52:56.360 Like usual, there was a large counter protest, but we definitely outnumbered them.

00:53:01.880 Well, you had all those union people there.

00:53:03.540 Yeah, but we outnumbered them.

00:53:05.740 And then when the students came out for lunch break, it was much bigger.

00:53:10.220 And anyways, we start running.

00:53:13.600 Now, was Singh at that protest or when we talked about him earlier?

00:53:17.720 Singh was at the Million Man March on a few days beforehand.

00:53:21.180 Yeah, okay, okay.

00:53:22.460 And that one was in Ottawa.

00:53:24.300 But yeah, I start doing interviews.

00:53:28.040 I finally get through to an officer.

00:53:29.580 They refuse to file any of my reports.

00:53:31.700 Your reports being what?

00:53:34.980 I tried to make an assault report.

00:53:38.120 And I tried to inquire about a family member's arrest and see where he was being held,

00:53:48.680 because I was his only point of contact at the time.

00:53:51.460 And yeah, they refused to talk to me.

00:53:54.080 And so that went on for a while until I just, I wouldn't give up.

00:53:59.920 I kept following them.

00:54:00.640 And I have a megaphone too and a whole pile of students that are echoing whatever I say.

00:54:06.440 So there were, we're just continually.

00:54:09.480 You're hard to ignore.

00:54:10.220 Yeah, it was hard.

00:54:10.940 It was impossible.

00:54:11.720 So finally, after they have all these cameras on them, they know it's a really bad scene.

00:54:16.640 And they finally send me another officer and they give me his, where he's being held and what he's being charged for.

00:54:23.960 And they told me, they told me it was breach of the peace and assault.

00:54:28.040 So anyways, I just went about, I addressed the crowd again, and we tried to visit him at the station after the event was over.

00:54:39.560 And I got on the, well, first, as we're walking up the steps to the stairs of the police station,

00:54:45.780 the security guard locks the doors on us on the station that's open 24-7.

00:54:50.820 So there's a help number on the door and I call that and it's on camera.

00:54:54.500 They hung up on me and then they refused to answer any of my other calls.

00:55:00.300 And so then after waiting for about half an hour, I get another call from a police officer and they're like,

00:55:06.500 you're not allowed in the station, but we can put you on the phone with your brother for a bit.

00:55:10.760 And we got to talk on the phone and it turned out he was at the hospital and they dropped his charges.

00:55:15.880 So you never were charged with anything?

00:55:18.160 No, they dropped the charges, yeah, in the hospital.

00:55:20.180 Oh, well, so they kept me, they took me, like I was bleeding a lot.

00:55:24.960 They had me in the paddy wagon for about two hours.

00:55:28.120 And apparently, right when I got to the precinct, I heard a couple officers talking outside the door

00:55:33.480 and they said that the ambulance is here.

00:55:34.940 They wanted to check me out, but they wouldn't let the medics in for about an hour and a half

00:55:38.240 before finally they took me out.

00:55:39.980 Okay, so that actually answers a question I had because I thought, well, you know,

00:55:44.960 you want to give the devil his due every time you can.

00:55:47.360 I thought, well, maybe they bundled you away from the protest because you were bleeding.

00:55:51.340 Oh, no, no, not at all.

00:55:52.420 No way.

00:55:53.060 That's, well, the fact that they had the medics, like, detained away from you for 90 minutes

00:55:57.760 seems to indicate that medical treatment on your behalf was not the reason.

00:56:01.140 Yeah.

00:56:01.600 And the paramedics, so yeah, so they, after about an hour and a half of waiting, maybe even longer,

00:56:06.380 the paramedic, they take me out to the ambulance, I go in the ambulance, we're still handcuffed in

00:56:10.940 there, and the paramedic looks at me and goes, oh, wow, you're going to need stitches, you

00:56:15.140 have to get them to the hospital.

00:56:16.700 And at the, it still isn't, it's still bleeding because there's a lot of blood, a lot of blood

00:56:21.300 loss.

00:56:22.060 And so the paramedics wanted to take me to the hospital in the ambulance and the cop said,

00:56:28.240 no, that's not, we'll take him in a cruiser later.

00:56:30.860 So they take me out.

00:56:31.920 Wow.

00:56:32.340 Yeah.

00:56:32.660 They take me out, put me back in the paddy wig and leave me in there.

00:56:35.680 So they refused to let you go in the ambulance?

00:56:37.660 Refused, yeah.

00:56:38.360 Wow.

00:56:38.880 I guess I was too big of a threat to society to have me in.

00:56:42.000 Yeah, fair enough, fair enough.

00:56:43.600 So, yeah, they take me back to the paddy wagon, put me back in there.

00:56:48.660 I mean, there were maybe 20 minutes, 30 minutes before they take me, check me in, put me in a

00:56:52.660 cell.

00:56:53.720 I was in the cell for a little under an hour.

00:56:55.940 Had you been in a cell before?

00:56:57.720 No, I'd been arrested before, but always a whole new thing.

00:57:01.040 Jail food's not good.

00:57:02.020 They take your shoelaces?

00:57:03.440 They, yeah, no, no, I was wearing cowboy boots.

00:57:05.880 They checked, they said take his shoelaces and then they saw my boots and they said they

00:57:09.520 aren't need to take.

00:57:10.400 I see, I see.

00:57:10.860 So I guess it would have been a suicide watch too.

00:57:12.760 Yeah.

00:57:13.900 So, yeah, I was in the cell a little under an hour probably.

00:57:17.580 So what are you thinking when you're in the cell?

00:57:20.960 When am I getting out of here?

00:57:23.480 Yeah.

00:57:23.980 I was hungry.

00:57:24.760 I was quite hungry actually.

00:57:27.520 So, yeah.

00:57:28.420 Were you upset or worried?

00:57:30.020 No, I wasn't worried, no.

00:57:31.800 Why not?

00:57:34.400 I didn't have a, what's the worst that's going to happen?

00:57:37.020 I'm going to be locked up for a few weeks before a court date and at best I'm going to

00:57:40.380 be let out in a few hours with charges dropped.

00:57:42.320 And I know I didn't do anything wrong.

00:57:44.240 So I'm hoping there's still a little bit of hope left for a justice system that I'd be

00:57:48.420 let out with no charges.

00:57:49.260 Yeah, is there?

00:57:51.380 It's questionable.

00:57:52.540 It's quite corrupt.

00:57:53.660 It's quite corrupt from the top, but.

00:57:55.940 Yeah, it's quite corrupt all the way through.

00:57:58.600 All the way through, yeah.

00:57:59.480 I guess if you get a good judge, you can be lucky, but.

00:58:02.620 So anyways, they took me, after all that time, they put me in a cruiser and took me to the

00:58:07.800 hospital, escorted me into the hospital.

00:58:11.460 I'm still handcuffed.

00:58:12.200 I'm covered in blood.

00:58:12.940 So I walk into a merge and like the people are freaking out.

00:58:15.660 You're still handcuffed.

00:58:16.560 Yeah, I guess they thought I'm a murderer, right?

00:58:17.820 A guy walks in covered in blood, in handcuffs and police escort by him.

00:58:22.280 And the receptionist says, you're going to have to put a mask on.

00:58:25.060 And so I look, I look, I said, I'm not going to do that.

00:58:30.240 And they said, no, no, you have to put a mask on.

00:58:32.320 It's policy.

00:58:32.940 I said, what are you going to do?

00:58:33.680 Call the cops?

00:58:34.640 Good.

00:58:35.040 You said that.

00:58:35.920 Yeah.

00:58:36.220 Oh, good.

00:58:36.860 Oh, man.

00:58:37.320 That'd make the whole day work well just to be able to say that.

00:58:40.120 And so the cop, the cop beside me just starts laughing.

00:58:43.100 That's good, man.

00:58:43.860 That's really funny.

00:58:44.760 And so they let me through.

00:58:45.620 They took me, took me, I sat me down.

00:58:47.560 I can't believe they told you to put a mask on.

00:58:49.000 I know.

00:58:49.200 That's so perfect.

00:58:50.320 Yeah.

00:58:50.560 It's like it's orchestrated.

00:58:51.840 Yeah.

00:58:52.400 Yeah.

00:58:52.880 Yeah.

00:58:53.260 That must have made your day.

00:58:54.520 I was, it was quite comedic.

00:58:56.120 Yeah.

00:58:56.480 Yeah.

00:58:57.220 Oh, my God.

00:58:58.080 Okay.

00:58:58.400 Okay.

00:58:58.700 So let's go back a bit here to your parents.

00:59:01.040 So while all these protests and so forth are unfolding, both your mom and dad, now they've

00:59:07.460 been suspended.

00:59:08.780 Okay.

00:59:09.240 Now were they, they were, were they suspended with pay or without pay?

00:59:12.580 Well, they were suspended with pay.

00:59:14.560 Um, and then they were basically told that they have to, uh, abide by the, uh, by what?

00:59:23.760 They basically have to, um, comply with, uh, measures that don't go along with their religious

00:59:29.600 beliefs.

00:59:29.940 It's wrong.

00:59:30.400 It's harming kids.

00:59:30.980 So in your mother's case, exactly what does that mean?

00:59:33.720 So someone here, someone puts a pride flag on the door of her kindergarten class.

00:59:37.940 She takes it down.

00:59:39.660 Okay.

00:59:39.940 What is she supposed to abide by exactly?

00:59:42.260 Is she supposed to put up a pride flag?

00:59:43.560 Like what the hell, what, what's exactly the issue here?

00:59:45.660 What's she supposed to do?

00:59:46.680 I guess she's supposed to publicly advertise sodomy on her kindergarten classroom door.

00:59:52.100 Um, and, uh, she's not going to do that.

00:59:55.300 Um, and, uh, anyways, they basically said that, uh, I don't even know, they probably pulled

01:00:02.220 up a bunch of different policies and they told them you have to abide by these things and

01:00:05.660 it's all woke, uh, radical left ideology.

01:00:09.200 Um, it's being forced on kids, which is exactly what I'm fighting and why I've been kicked out

01:00:13.080 of school for over 10 months now.

01:00:15.040 And, uh, yeah, so, um, well, you're getting an education.

01:00:20.100 Oh yeah.

01:00:20.780 Much better than I was at school, but definitely, but, uh, yeah, I've, I've been kicked out since,

01:00:26.240 uh, last November of 2022.

01:00:28.620 So, and what's the rationale for, I'll get back to your parents, but what's the rationale

01:00:33.160 for your continued suspension?

01:00:35.460 I mean, that's a big, that's a long suspension.

01:00:38.280 I don't know what you'd have to do on the juvenile delinquent side to warrant that sort

01:00:42.560 of suspension, but it would have to be something pretty damn serious.

01:00:45.640 Maybe you'd have to knock a teacher unconscious with a metal chair, for example, like happened

01:00:49.680 last week in the U S though.

01:00:51.340 I doubt if they'd suspend that student for 10 months, I guess we'll see.

01:00:54.500 So what's the rationale for the, for, for keeping you out of school?

01:00:57.920 And this is a Catholic school.

01:00:59.020 Yeah.

01:00:59.240 It's a Catholic school.

01:00:59.740 It makes it even more blackly comical as far as I'm concerned.

01:01:03.260 Yeah.

01:01:03.740 Because you'd think they might be on the side of the, you know, the scriptures.

01:01:07.680 Yeah.

01:01:07.860 Just, you might.

01:01:09.780 That was what I thought.

01:01:11.260 Like I'm, I'm personally not a Catholic.

01:01:12.960 I'm a born again Christian, but, um, going into the Catholic board, I would have assumed

01:01:18.440 that they would, um, maybe sympathize with my views a little more than they did.

01:01:23.300 But anyways, we get in there and actually it was on one of my first days in the school.

01:01:26.780 Um, this wasn't why I was kicked out, but this was kind of where I realized that, wow,

01:01:31.140 this is not a, uh, very biblically based school.

01:01:34.280 When my math teacher started saying that, uh, creation was, uh, a myth and it was all

01:01:41.580 hypothetical in the Bible.

01:01:43.260 And he started saying the entire Bible is hypothetical.

01:01:45.820 And, uh, so I challenged him on that a bit, but, uh.

01:01:49.220 As opposed to the unalienable truths of woke doctrine.

01:01:52.960 Exactly.

01:01:53.340 So he, uh, anyways, that, that teacher, um, ended up being the one, the, the, uh, teacher

01:02:01.120 whose classroom, um, the debate broke out where I actually got kicked out for an extended

01:02:06.240 period of time.

01:02:06.920 And, uh, it was because, um, he was shouting at me, like, uh, I was in a classroom of 30

01:02:12.560 students.

01:02:12.880 I'm in the back right corner and I have all these students turned around their desks and

01:02:16.680 the teacher just shouting at me.

01:02:18.240 Um, and, uh, what did you do to provoke him?

01:02:21.280 Um, so two students beside me started asking about an interaction that had happened earlier

01:02:26.940 in the day, um, because I had been, uh, called to the office and whatnot, um, because I, uh,

01:02:32.700 I challenged my, uh, law teacher where she was talking about how, um, students can be whatever

01:02:38.220 gender they want and all that.

01:02:39.440 Uh, and I challenged my law teacher on that.

01:02:41.500 And that was something that, uh, me and that teacher, we would respectfully go back and

01:02:44.840 forth, like nonstop.

01:02:47.300 Um, from, from the very first, uh, day I was there, the first five minutes I was in her

01:02:52.000 class, um, she went on to say that the freedom convoy was unlawful, um, before it had even

01:02:56.960 gone through the courts.

01:02:57.780 So we, we started, that was the first one and it just went on every single day.

01:03:01.460 We'd go back and forth and it was always polite and it was always fun, but we never agreed

01:03:05.560 on anything and, uh, anyways, um, some students heard that there was a quite a controversial

01:03:11.840 debate in her class the other day or the other morning and they wanted to, uh, hear what happened.

01:03:16.900 So these students are asking me questions.

01:03:18.840 I'm answering them, giving my opinions on it.

01:03:21.040 Um, and, uh, the teacher gets involved in it and long story short, he says that, um, there's

01:03:27.500 like 73 genders or something and, uh, it's a spectrum and we can be whatever we want to

01:03:33.220 be and I should explore myself and males can breastfeed children and all sorts of just

01:03:38.160 crazy stuff.

01:03:39.040 And at the, at that statement that males can breastfeed children, I, I responded to that

01:03:43.660 and said, uh, that's pedophilia.

01:03:46.620 And this is where it got really awkward and the debate kind of started to turn.

01:03:51.080 Um, he said, what do you mean that's pedophilia?

01:03:52.740 And I had to explain to my entire math class that my math teacher was, um, defending and

01:04:00.120 promoting grown men, forcing a baby to suck on their nipples and I'm, I'm in the math

01:04:06.560 class.

01:04:07.300 So this is, it's completely ridiculous and it's a pretty awkward topic to be having with

01:04:12.680 all these students watching.

01:04:14.440 And anyways, um, he starts to get like really agitated because now I've used a fairly strong

01:04:21.940 term, um, and, uh, he's, uh, he, uh, tells me that, uh, I'm just really not tolerant and

01:04:30.860 I need to be more thoughtful in my surroundings.

01:04:33.060 As it turns out.

01:04:33.940 And I, I, I don't think tolerance is a virtue.

01:04:36.320 It's the virtue of those without morals, right?

01:04:38.420 And, uh, so I, I don't believe in tolerance.

01:04:41.120 Um, at least not to the, uh, the level that it's at today.

01:04:44.380 Um, but, uh, anyways, I, uh, I ended up quoting Mark 10 6, um, in response to a student who

01:04:51.320 I've now learned after the fact, identify differently, um, stood up under their chair,

01:04:56.240 pointing their finger at me, like walking towards me, shouting in math class, um, saying

01:05:01.020 that, uh, I need to be more, uh, open-minded and people can be whatever they want to be.

01:05:06.180 Mark 10 6, what's the risk?

01:05:07.360 Mark 10 6, I said, God created the male and female.

01:05:09.740 It's that simple.

01:05:10.860 And, uh, I said, look, I don't have a problem with you identifying differently or anybody,

01:05:15.580 but, uh, that's up to them.

01:05:17.880 The board should not be pushing that.

01:05:19.260 Teachers should not be promoting this stuff in their classes and lying to their students.

01:05:22.480 It's harming children.

01:05:24.100 And, uh, I said, you have your right to do whatever you want to do in private, but don't

01:05:28.060 bring it up with students here.

01:05:29.760 And it, it certainly doesn't change biology in reality.

01:05:33.820 Um, and anyways, that was it.

01:05:35.500 That was the, uh, that was the, uh, the verse that got me in trouble.

01:05:38.680 Right, so that's what got you out, eh?

01:05:39.680 And they said that I was bullying that student by saying that.

01:05:43.280 Oh, yeah.

01:05:43.900 And, uh, yeah, so that, that allegation has, uh, been going on for 10 months now.

01:05:50.680 Okay, and what's the rationale for, for the duration of punishment?

01:05:53.920 I guess you haven't learned your lesson, is that it?

01:05:55.700 So, actually, at this point, they know that they can't justify kicking me out for 10 months.

01:06:00.840 Um, so what they did is, uh, they suspended me for, indefinitely, they called it to an end

01:06:08.140 after 20 days and said, look, Josh can return to school if he abides by, um, our conditions.

01:06:14.760 And their conditions were that I was, I would, uh, be banned from math class.

01:06:19.540 I would be banned from religion class.

01:06:21.660 Um, and I wasn't allowed to speak to any students who identified, um, as something other than

01:06:27.480 what they were born as, and, uh, a bunch of other smaller conditions, none of them which

01:06:31.840 I agreed to.

01:06:32.900 Um, I said, look, I've done nothing wrong.

01:06:34.920 Oh, so it's on you now, is it?

01:06:36.620 Because you're not abiding by the rules.

01:06:38.520 Yeah, so I said, I've stated my religious beliefs.

01:06:40.940 This is a Catholic school.

01:06:42.340 If you don't agree with my stance on biology, let's open up your Bible.

01:06:46.560 You, you claim to hold the Word of God, um, as, as the supreme text, uh, in your, in your

01:06:52.940 own, um, statement of belief, and, uh, so I said, let's open up the Bible.

01:06:58.360 I said, and he said, well, we can't do that without priests and, uh, bishops and stuff

01:07:02.920 here.

01:07:03.240 I said, bring them all.

01:07:04.280 Point to the Bible.

01:07:05.260 I said, bring them all.

01:07:06.360 I said, we will open a Bible.

01:07:08.400 I said, we can have a whole conference meeting if you want.

01:07:10.840 Um, and I said, we can do it Monday.

01:07:12.580 And he said, no, we're busy then Tuesday, Wednesday, and we went through an entire week and he wasn't

01:07:16.920 busy once, or he wasn't available once apparently.

01:07:19.440 And, uh, I said, okay, well, I've offered the, the offer still stands.

01:07:24.600 I'm, I'm happy to this day.

01:07:26.380 I'm happy to open up the Bible and argue with these, um, heretics.

01:07:32.180 But, uh, anyways, I, uh, I, they, they refused to take me up on that offer.

01:07:37.980 Um, and, uh, so they kicked me out.

01:07:40.760 I, uh, then got in contact with Liberty Coalition Canada and they provide me my lawyer, James

01:07:45.900 Kitchen.

01:07:46.280 Um, and we went back and forth for a while, um, just with the school board's lawyers and

01:07:51.420 mine.

01:07:51.840 And, uh, they said that, uh, because I refuse to abide by their conditions of return, I'd

01:07:57.360 be excluded.

01:07:58.200 Yeah, yeah.

01:07:58.600 I see.

01:07:59.080 Okay.

01:07:59.400 And so it's not disciplinary.

01:08:01.000 It's not disciplinary.

01:08:01.680 Oh, I know.

01:08:02.340 No, that's like my, my, the actions against me with CP Ontario.

01:08:05.820 It's not disciplinary.

01:08:06.980 It's like, it's just, we don't trust you.

01:08:08.360 It looks like discipline and it smells like discipline and it sounds like discipline and it's in fact

01:08:13.180 discipline.

01:08:13.660 Yeah.

01:08:14.220 But you're not going to use the word.

01:08:15.940 It's like, yeah, okay.

01:08:17.180 You guys, we know what you're up to.

01:08:19.200 And the funniest part is that they told me, um, that the school board cannot exclude anybody.

01:08:25.480 And that's why they have such an, an open border policy on all the washrooms in the school.

01:08:30.000 Right, right.

01:08:30.520 And I said, oh really, then why am I under an actual exclusion order under the education

01:08:35.900 act?

01:08:36.240 It's called an exclusion order.

01:08:37.800 And, uh, but apparently this board can't exclude anybody.

01:08:40.640 And I've been under that order for 10 months and they just informed me, uh, just recently

01:08:44.920 that I'll be under that order for another year.

01:08:47.020 Another year.

01:08:47.800 Yeah.

01:08:48.660 And maybe longer if I don't agree to their conditions or if we don't come to an agreement.

01:08:52.500 So what are you doing to salvage your education, your credentialed education, let's say?

01:08:58.580 Yeah.

01:08:59.060 At this point, um, for credentialed education, all I can do is, uh, well, I suppose I could

01:09:06.740 withdraw from the school and try to enroll in another school.

01:09:10.000 And we all know that wouldn't, yeah, it wouldn't go that well.

01:09:12.160 That wouldn't go very well.

01:09:13.320 I don't know.

01:09:13.780 Um, you could do it though.

01:09:15.380 I could.

01:09:16.000 And I've considered it.

01:09:16.840 Interesting move strategically.

01:09:18.340 But, uh, I, uh, I, uh, am fighting against the board right now.

01:09:22.540 And I, we went to the Ontario Superior Court of Justice on, uh, whether I had, uh, standing

01:09:27.900 to appeal all the decisions made against me.

01:09:30.700 And I won.

01:09:31.740 Wow.

01:09:32.240 Well, that's good news.

01:09:33.520 Um, yeah, it was, it was a, uh, it was.

01:09:35.720 How are the legal, how are the legal bills going?

01:09:37.760 Um, so that one, uh, that one obviously paid for itself because we won.

01:09:42.760 But, uh, like I said, Liberty Coalition Canada, uh, supports me.

01:09:46.800 And, uh, so, uh, they cover all the costs on that end of the, against the school.

01:09:52.840 Um, but, uh, we won that case.

01:09:55.360 So now I believe it's at the beginning of November.

01:09:58.320 Um, uh, I will be going into, uh, a hearing, a two week long hearing to, uh.

01:10:03.500 Are you pursuing damages?

01:10:05.040 Um, yes, we are.

01:10:06.380 How much?

01:10:06.860 I don't remember what the damages were.

01:10:09.100 Um, my lawyer would be the better guy to ask about that.

01:10:11.220 Approximately?

01:10:11.800 Do you know?

01:10:11.920 Um, no, I wouldn't know.

01:10:13.280 Okay.

01:10:13.340 I wouldn't know the number, but, uh.

01:10:15.320 So let me ask you about your parents again.

01:10:16.960 Sure.

01:10:17.100 So you said, to begin with, they were put on leave with pay.

01:10:20.580 And what was the spacing between your father losing his job and your mother being suspended?

01:10:26.020 Two weeks or so.

01:10:26.840 Two weeks.

01:10:27.380 Oh, wow.

01:10:28.580 Convenient.

01:10:29.040 You'd think they would have been more intelligent strategically than that.

01:10:31.900 But my sense of the people who persecute in this manner is that not only are they corrupt

01:10:37.500 ideologically, they're absolute morons when it comes to strategy.

01:10:40.620 So it usually comes back to bite them.

01:10:42.540 Okay.

01:10:42.780 So they did, they suspended them both with pay to begin with.

01:10:45.740 Yeah.

01:10:46.180 And then they put these conditions on both of them.

01:10:48.440 I presume your parents didn't, weren't willing to abide by the conditions.

01:10:51.860 So did they then suspend their pay?

01:10:54.100 So at this point, right now, they're kind of in, they're just waiting because the board

01:11:00.100 gave them that deadline to agree with the conditions.

01:11:02.400 They didn't.

01:11:03.100 They asked for an extension.

01:11:04.560 They're working with the union.

01:11:07.040 Oh, I bet the union is really, oh yeah, I imagine the unions are really working hard

01:11:10.660 on their behalf.

01:11:11.240 The union was in that meeting that went viral, my parents' union, where they were naming

01:11:16.820 me and saying that they need to come to my protests.

01:11:18.880 They've put out, they put out emails to their entire union saying, go protest Josh Alexander

01:11:24.160 outside the RCC DSB headquarters and all this.

01:11:27.560 So we can already figure how much support they're going to give my parents.

01:11:33.820 But that's where it's at right now.

01:11:36.800 So it's, it's really only a matter of time.

01:11:39.760 Um, they're, they're, they're just killing time.

01:11:41.980 It's the same thing my board's doing too.

01:11:43.520 They're, the time is on their side.

01:11:45.020 Of course it is.

01:11:45.780 Yeah.

01:11:46.040 They'll just kill.

01:11:46.560 They're not suffering directly from the consequences of the delay.

01:11:50.040 Yeah.

01:11:50.140 That's one of the terrible things about being dragged through a process like this is that

01:11:54.680 it's 100% the advantage of the people who are using the process as the punishment to

01:11:59.660 drag it out as long as it possibly can be dragged out.

01:12:03.040 How old are you?

01:12:03.920 17.

01:12:05.780 17.

01:12:06.780 You don't look 17.

01:12:07.800 You look older than that.

01:12:10.080 Both of you.

01:12:10.660 Well, that's good for you.

01:12:11.580 You're not kids.

01:12:12.960 And most 17 year olds are kids.

01:12:14.860 Lots of 30 year olds are kids.

01:12:16.340 You guys don't look like kids anymore.

01:12:18.480 So that's, that's something worth attaining when you're young.

01:12:21.560 So what has this done to you?

01:12:23.880 I mean.

01:12:24.520 Or for you?

01:12:25.360 And how has it hurt you?

01:12:27.400 Well, I mean, it's certainly, it's changed my life in every aspect.

01:12:31.380 Like everything has changed.

01:12:32.400 I'm no longer working the same jobs I would have been doing.

01:12:37.600 I'm no longer in the education system.

01:12:40.020 All my other supposed peers are still in the system and just going about their regular life

01:12:48.200 and unfortunately complying with the idiocy that's going on within the board.

01:12:54.100 And I mean.

01:12:56.760 Okay.

01:12:57.240 What sort of circle of friends do you have around you or did you have around you?

01:13:00.960 You've got your brother.

01:13:01.780 You've got Monty.

01:13:03.080 Yeah.

01:13:03.400 I mean, after all this, after we've been challenged on a national level, I like to keep my circle

01:13:10.720 small.

01:13:11.260 Yeah.

01:13:11.540 Only people I would trust with my life.

01:13:13.040 Right.

01:13:13.560 Yeah.

01:13:14.040 And so that's certainly not many.

01:13:16.200 I mean, I don't have any friends from either of my schools.

01:13:21.300 You don't, eh?

01:13:21.960 No.

01:13:22.180 Why is that?

01:13:23.840 Well, I mean, at my Catholic school, I'd only been there for maybe, well, I went in there

01:13:31.220 in September, got kicked out in November.

01:13:32.820 Okay.

01:13:33.000 So you didn't have a chance to really build a peer network there.

01:13:34.880 I didn't know too many students.

01:13:36.360 I already had a reputation as the convoy kid.

01:13:39.920 They actually, the kids at that school nicknamed me Freedom.

01:13:43.380 Oh, yeah.

01:13:43.920 Well, there's worse nicknames than that.

01:13:45.060 There are.

01:13:45.640 Exactly.

01:13:46.560 So, like, I had a reputation.

01:13:49.080 Kids were kind of nervous around me for some reason.

01:13:53.080 And I just never, I never pursued friendship that much because I knew that education's ending

01:13:59.840 soon.

01:14:01.120 I just had different goals.

01:14:02.500 And I guess in that manner, I kind of kept to myself.

01:14:06.000 But, yeah, no, like, I also just seen what the education system produces.

01:14:11.240 And I'm not impressed with it.

01:14:12.260 It produces docile, weak, pathetic excuses for what should be people that are just beginning

01:14:23.580 to go into the world and start their life and start their family.

01:14:26.480 There's no ambition.

01:14:28.080 Yeah.

01:14:28.360 Well, ambition, that's all part of that patriarchal oppression.

01:14:31.180 Yeah.

01:14:31.360 Like, everybody's getting married at 30 and divorced at 35.

01:14:35.880 Childless and divorced at 35.

01:14:37.640 Yeah.

01:14:37.800 Talking about the education system, I think, correct me if I'm wrong, I believe Diogenes,

01:14:42.000 he was the founder of the Cynic philosophy.

01:14:44.740 I believe he was.

01:14:46.160 And he said that the education of the youth is the foundation of a country.

01:14:49.560 So, if that's the foundation of our country, we've got a giant crack line running right

01:14:53.580 through ours because it's not in good shape.

01:14:55.360 Well, one of the things that really struck me to the core, I would say, when I started

01:14:59.580 lecturing publicly and being exposed to a much wider range, not so much range, a much

01:15:08.060 larger number of people, was the degree of demoralization, especially among young men.

01:15:14.020 Now, of course, if you demoralize young men, you also demoralize young women because

01:15:19.420 we're in this together.

01:15:21.060 And the degree to which that was the case was really quite shocking to me.

01:15:25.040 And I thought it through.

01:15:26.940 I mean, boys in particular, they get pilloried when they're very young because their play

01:15:31.600 preferences don't match up with the idiot, idiot, what would you call it, false calmness

01:15:39.720 of the typical classroom.

01:15:41.120 So, that's a big problem.

01:15:42.620 And then, of course, anything that's heterosexual is suspect on the grounds of power dynamics,

01:15:52.920 essentially.

01:15:53.580 Any ambition is associated with patriarchal oppression.

01:15:56.300 And if you manage to escape all of that, well, then you're destroying the planet.

01:16:00.020 So, that's basically your destiny as a young man, right?

01:16:03.400 And any avenue of enterprise you might pursue in terms of ambition is suspect because all

01:16:10.340 ambition is power and then all enterprise is evil capitalism.

01:16:14.340 And, you know, you're pretty much left with no out.

01:16:19.500 And so, well, so that's demoralizing.

01:16:22.380 And I suppose I think it's purposefully demoralizing because if you believe that human activity is

01:16:27.720 intrinsically destructive socially and with regard to the biosphere, then you want to

01:16:33.920 demoralize young men, so what?

01:16:35.940 So, they sit around and do nothing because that way they're like involuntary Buddhists.

01:16:41.240 You know, their only virtue is harmlessness.

01:16:44.420 Of course, that's not a virtue.

01:16:46.280 Exactly.

01:16:46.380 And if you're part of the elite, if you want to tighten the tyrannical grasp in society,

01:16:50.300 so to say, what's the first thing you want to do?

01:16:52.320 You want to soften the men because that's going to be your biggest resistance right off the

01:16:55.480 bat.

01:16:55.700 If you're looking historically, it's the young men who will be most resilient to oppression.

01:17:01.960 And so, a direct attack on their masculinity is the...

01:17:05.960 So, you guys are now trying to, you talked earlier about trying to work with young people.

01:17:12.380 And so, what are you doing exactly?

01:17:14.840 What are your goals and how are you organizing that?

01:17:17.740 Well, our main, recently, we've used our platform, like you said, to just go to schools.

01:17:23.780 And that, I mean, whether you consider it a protest or an event, whatever, we're able

01:17:29.320 to interact with students and we're able to...

01:17:31.460 So, walk me through a typical event now.

01:17:33.720 How would you organize it?

01:17:35.400 Well, yeah, we just...

01:17:36.260 How do you pick a school?

01:17:37.380 I'll have a student reach out to me or something on social media.

01:17:40.160 Yeah?

01:17:40.920 And how can they do that?

01:17:42.720 Well, they just message me and they tell me what's going on in their school.

01:17:48.660 How can they message you?

01:17:49.500 Let's tell people so in case they need to message you.

01:17:51.960 So, it's on my Twitter's official Josh underscore A and my Instagram's josh.alexander underscore

01:17:58.820 Safe Canada.

01:17:59.740 Okay.

01:18:00.140 So, if they want to get in touch with you, they can do that.

01:18:02.280 Okay.

01:18:02.500 So, someone gets in touch with you and then you organize something.

01:18:05.580 How do you organize it out of school?

01:18:07.240 Because, of course, the school isn't going to let you, like, organize.

01:18:11.360 So, the way we do it is we usually just, we talk to the students.

01:18:14.780 We ask them for a little bit of a layout, what it looks like, and if I can get in contact

01:18:20.900 with a police officer or something, I'll warn them and tell them we're coming here, and

01:18:24.500 then we throw out a post on our social media, and it gets shared around a bunch, and we

01:18:29.960 just show up and...

01:18:32.960 Show up where?

01:18:34.200 At the school.

01:18:34.940 We'll just go on the sidewalk or wherever.

01:18:36.640 We aren't allowed to go on the school property.

01:18:38.640 Right.

01:18:38.660 So, someplace adjacent to the school.

01:18:41.880 And...

01:18:42.360 How many of those events have you done?

01:18:44.280 Quite a few.

01:18:45.140 Yeah, I don't even know.

01:18:45.520 Are they growing?

01:18:46.860 Yeah, we rapidly.

01:18:48.000 They are, eh?

01:18:48.760 Well, like, if you look at the numbers, the first gender-related protest that we had in

01:18:53.600 Ottawa was in this February, and I believe it had 17 people show up to it.

01:18:58.300 Mm-hmm.

01:18:58.660 And the last one was on September 20th in Ottawa, and estimates of 8,000 to 9,000 people

01:19:05.280 showed up.

01:19:05.660 Oh, yeah.

01:19:05.940 Giant crowd.

01:19:06.920 So, that sounds like exponential growth.

01:19:08.860 Exponential growth, yeah.

01:19:09.840 So, 9,000 people, and that was to which event?

01:19:13.160 The Million Man March.

01:19:14.280 We were kind of organizing the one in Ottawa.

01:19:17.120 And so, yeah, big, like you said, exponential growth.

01:19:20.600 Mm-hmm.

01:19:21.040 People are waking up, and I think...

01:19:21.680 Do you think you're doing any good?

01:19:23.340 Yeah, absolutely.

01:19:24.300 I think it's...

01:19:24.740 What are you doing that's working?

01:19:25.540 Well, I think just giving the students in-person interaction.

01:19:30.500 They've all...

01:19:31.020 A lot of these students have seen me online.

01:19:32.960 They've seen me get arrested, but they don't really think much of it.

01:19:36.940 It's just kind of a distant figure, right?

01:19:38.420 Yeah.

01:19:38.560 Something that happened, it couldn't happen near me.

01:19:41.040 So, what we do is we bring it to their school.

01:19:43.220 We show them how real it is.

01:19:44.760 We have the police and the public order units lined up.

01:19:47.280 We have counter-protests.

01:19:48.400 They're watching the culture war on their doorstep.

01:19:51.340 Uh-huh.

01:19:51.720 And they're watching it unfold, and something as simple as a kid taking a photo with me

01:19:56.760 and posting it will then embolden other children, right?

01:19:59.880 To what?

01:20:00.640 Embolden them to what?

01:20:01.520 To speak up, because all of them are afraid, or even just in private, in discussion with

01:20:06.340 each other to share their opinions.

01:20:07.660 Right, right.

01:20:08.100 They're all so afraid.

01:20:09.920 How many provinces have you done this in?

01:20:12.300 So far, most of what we do is in Ontario, but we've...

01:20:15.520 I did one in Alberta.

01:20:17.920 That was in Calgary?

01:20:19.280 Yes.

01:20:19.720 And then, I believe I did some stuff in Nova Scotia as well.

01:20:24.200 Are you building an organization underneath this?

01:20:27.420 We're working on that, but it's been so busy.

01:20:30.900 It's just like we're trying to just be able to run our events at the time, and with all

01:20:36.000 the court dates and stuff.

01:20:37.160 I mean, I've been arrested three times just since February, the first one being at my high

01:20:41.020 school, and then he's been arrested three times as well, and Monty's been arrested.

01:20:47.400 I mean, it's just ridiculous.

01:20:48.520 None of us have any criminal charges, because we're innocent, but...

01:20:52.360 Innocent.

01:20:53.600 But it's...

01:20:54.700 Like that matters.

01:20:58.540 That's why you're being arrested, by the way.

01:21:01.580 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:21:03.140 Yeah, well, putting a subsidiary organization underneath you might be a good priority, because

01:21:07.800 you could multiply your efforts, you know.

01:21:09.640 So, have you found other young men or young women, for that matter, who are willing to

01:21:15.760 commit to this sort of enterprise?

01:21:17.740 Yeah.

01:21:18.140 Especially in the last month or two, a lot more have been coming out of the woodworks.

01:21:22.780 Like we said when we kind of started, nobody wants to be the first one to step up and take

01:21:28.520 the hits.

01:21:28.920 But if we do that, people will probably follow us, and it is working.

01:21:31.560 Young people are stepping up behind us and following us, and standing for what's great.

01:21:36.980 What about political leaders?

01:21:38.260 Like, have you been reached out to by any political leaders?

01:21:42.660 I mean, we've already established the fact that the Jagmeet Singh is not one of your fans,

01:21:49.020 which is definitely a testament to your virtue, as far as I'm concerned.

01:21:53.160 But what about other political figures?

01:21:55.780 I would say that the politicians have been the biggest disappointment of anybody.

01:22:02.300 There's not a single MP that has yet, while representing the people, publicly said anything

01:22:09.000 about what's going on.

01:22:10.800 And a lot of people, myself included, when I saw the Conservative Party elect their new

01:22:16.140 leader, Pierre Polyev, I had a lot of hope.

01:22:18.040 I thought this guy, like, I had watched him since I was little, and I mean, I knew he's

01:22:24.040 really good on the floor with his analytics and stuff.

01:22:25.920 What do you think he should do?

01:22:27.780 Well, I think he needs to speak up, and he needs to speak for parents.

01:22:30.520 I mean, we did that event on September 20th.

01:22:32.780 He did announce that he was on the side of the parents on Twitter during the million, what

01:22:38.560 was the million?

01:22:39.180 The Million Person March for Children or something.

01:22:40.440 Million Person March.

01:22:41.980 But the issue was, he was on West Bloc Parliament, right?

01:22:46.020 The morning of, he was there.

01:22:48.040 And he walked by, and we have it on camera, while the crowd's assembling for the march.

01:22:53.180 And we actually had the crowd chanting for Polyev to come out.

01:22:57.440 And just to have, like, a sense of leadership, right, in the political realm, and it doesn't

01:23:01.940 exist.

01:23:02.480 And it's, like, I recognize that it may not be the wisest strategical move for a politician

01:23:08.680 to get involved in the culture war.

01:23:10.320 But I think that's also one of the biggest mistakes Canadian politics has made.

01:23:13.540 The American politics includes the culture war.

01:23:17.460 It's one of their biggest talking points.

01:23:19.720 But here in Canada, it's, like I said, it's just analytics.

01:23:24.580 It's all the, it's the price of milk and all this stuff that, it matters.

01:23:29.280 And it's something that our prime minister is failing on right now.

01:23:33.420 But there's not enough, there's not enough leadership.

01:23:37.380 And when I, I got to talk with Polyev face-to-face.

01:23:39.140 Well, the Conservatives often, they're afraid, eh?

01:23:41.260 Because, but I'm seeing that starting to change in Canada.

01:23:44.700 Because you have people, you know, Polyev is, is, is, has, is showing more spine than

01:23:50.640 Conservatives have in the past by a substantial margin.

01:23:52.900 You have, you have, you have Danielle Smith in Alberta and Scott Moe, they're also pushing

01:23:58.020 back to a fair degree.

01:23:59.060 But, you know, for a long time, the Conservatives were intimidated, I suppose, partly because

01:24:04.440 the leftists are very good at eliciting guilt and also because of mob tactics, you know.

01:24:10.640 And it's the same thing is that a Conservative would stand up and say something that was relevant

01:24:14.760 to the culture war.

01:24:15.700 And then that particular individual would get mobbed and being mobbed, as you guys know,

01:24:20.940 is no, no picnic.

01:24:22.020 And so that tended to put them back on their heels, the combination of guilt and, let's

01:24:27.140 say, fear of the mob.

01:24:28.180 And there is reason to be afraid of the mob, you know.

01:24:30.540 I mean, I know a hundred people now who've been publicly excommunicated, let's say.

01:24:36.880 And the vast majority of them responded like they had contracted a near-fatal illness.

01:24:42.340 You know, they ended up in, under psychiatric care, losing a tremendous amount of weight or,

01:24:48.220 you know, reacting as if they're threatened right to the core.

01:24:51.720 Which, of course, they are.

01:24:53.300 How are your parents responding to what's going on around you?

01:24:56.840 And what, is your family, like, very well united in terms of what you guys are attempting

01:25:05.060 to do?

01:25:05.520 Do you speak with each other strategically?

01:25:09.020 How is your family dealing with this?

01:25:11.000 And are you guys still both living at home?

01:25:13.380 No, I'm on the road, like, almost full time.

01:25:17.520 Oh, yeah.

01:25:17.840 And, I mean, I spent most of the summer in the States and then I was in different provinces

01:25:24.060 and just all over the place.

01:25:25.100 Oh, yeah.

01:25:25.280 So, we're from a little town of a thousand people and there's not much you can network

01:25:30.680 from there.

01:25:31.560 Right, right.

01:25:32.740 So, we haven't been living at home, but, you know, we're constantly talking.

01:25:37.760 Our family's pretty close.

01:25:39.300 And, I mean, they're…

01:25:41.140 And are you the only two siblings?

01:25:42.480 No, we have a younger brother who we were speaking about earlier and then a…

01:25:46.860 Right, right.

01:25:47.420 How old is he?

01:25:48.260 He's 14.

01:25:49.560 Right.

01:25:49.920 And what did you say had happened to him?

01:25:51.880 He was just…

01:25:52.520 He just got kicked out for wearing your hat.

01:25:54.480 Yeah.

01:25:55.280 Oh, yeah.

01:25:55.920 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:25:56.860 Are you marketing those hats?

01:25:58.360 Yeah, they're…

01:25:59.400 Website, yeah.

01:26:00.180 Which website is that?

01:26:01.740 SaveCanada.shop.

01:26:02.660 So, if you need a hat, SaveCanada.shop?

01:26:06.000 Yeah.

01:26:06.440 Yeah, yeah.

01:26:07.260 Okay, okay.

01:26:08.700 Well, maybe we can scare up some more purchases for your hats.

01:26:12.380 See how many kids we can get kicked out of school for illegal hat wearing.

01:26:16.320 Yeah, yeah.

01:26:17.140 So, what's the plan for the future?

01:26:19.720 Well, right now, it's hard to predict what's going to happen.

01:26:24.760 Everything's changing so fast.

01:26:26.720 I have, like, countless court dates coming up.

01:26:29.480 And we…

01:26:31.560 You do?

01:26:32.300 Court dates for what?

01:26:33.420 Well, I mean, I have to…

01:26:34.840 I have a bunch against my school.

01:26:36.320 I have to go back to Alberta for, I believe, like, five court dates for the incident that

01:26:40.960 happened at the school.

01:26:42.700 Different stuff there.

01:26:45.040 Oh, yeah.

01:26:45.080 So, you get tangled up in legal red tape.

01:26:46.840 Yeah.

01:26:47.180 I mean, like you said, the process is the punishment.

01:26:50.080 Oh, yeah.

01:26:50.460 Whether I'm the one being charged or not, it's still…

01:26:52.520 It's, like, it's a massive disruption to my life.

01:26:56.280 Mm-hmm.

01:26:56.500 And, anyway, so we're going to be focusing on that.

01:27:01.900 We're going to be continuing to communicate with students.

01:27:04.760 We're also going to try to be…

01:27:06.060 Is that your primary focus, the expansion of your network within high schools in particular?

01:27:13.880 Right now, that's mainly what we focused on.

01:27:16.160 But just because that's who we're able to communicate the best with, because I am in

01:27:21.360 high school.

01:27:21.980 Yeah.

01:27:22.220 And these students know who I am more than any other group.

01:27:25.480 But as a young person, watching what's happening in the world, my greatest passion is to be

01:27:32.380 able to share the gospel and share my beliefs.

01:27:35.920 And, like Nick was saying earlier, that is the only way we'll ever truly be able to save

01:27:41.500 Canada.

01:27:41.960 And it's not us, right?

01:27:43.420 But we certainly get to play a part in that.

01:27:45.980 And I want to reach people with the truth.

01:27:47.860 It's more than saying that there's only two biological genders.

01:27:51.500 I want people…

01:27:52.760 Sexes.

01:27:53.860 Sexes, if you will.

01:27:55.820 But I want them to be able to understand the truth of the gospel and understand that we're

01:28:02.400 all sinners, myself included, and we need a savior.

01:28:07.720 And so, if that means that I have to do it in a controversial manner with constant conflict,

01:28:16.080 I will.

01:28:16.560 Because who else is going to go and reach those crowds?

01:28:18.660 And, I mean, they may hate us and they may call us hateful, but at the end of the day,

01:28:23.780 we're sharing the greatest love story known to man.

01:28:27.080 How did you get tangled up with Billboard, Chris?

01:28:30.140 I met him at a…

01:28:32.880 Well, actually, he just ended up posting about me on social media after one of the big rallies

01:28:37.760 we did.

01:28:38.900 A pile of students came out of a school here at York Mills Collegiate Institute here in Toronto.

01:28:45.580 And there was a photo that went really viral of hundreds of students in a circle with

01:28:52.820 me.

01:28:53.100 And they were handing out Bibles and praying together and stuff.

01:28:56.560 And this was just happening outside of a Toronto school, which was the belly of the beast here

01:29:00.940 in Canada, right?

01:29:01.800 Yeah.

01:29:01.980 And so, that was certainly encouraging and it went everywhere and Chris saw that and

01:29:07.140 he reached out to me and we decided to do an event together.

01:29:09.760 And this was around the same time where his assault in BC really went viral.

01:29:14.900 What do you think of Billboard Chris?

01:29:17.140 I like him a lot.

01:29:19.540 He's something that our country lacks, which is a father that cares.

01:29:23.000 He is a role model that young people could use.

01:29:29.220 Do you have any idea how he decided to wear a billboard?

01:29:32.920 Like when I was…

01:29:33.780 Okay, I want to hear that.

01:29:34.840 I'll tell you.

01:29:35.500 So, when I was about your age, the guy with a billboard was like a running joke, right?

01:29:39.960 Because he'd be the crazy guy out on the corner.

01:29:42.520 And the sign on there would say, you know, the world is ending.

01:29:45.180 And repent.

01:29:46.580 Repentance is nigh.

01:29:47.480 The world is ending.

01:29:48.440 And it was a joke, right?

01:29:49.600 To wear a billboard like that.

01:29:51.020 And it was a joke that everyone knew, an old joke.

01:29:54.120 And so, now we have Billboard Chris with this billboard on.

01:29:57.160 So, what motivated him?

01:29:59.260 And what do you think he's up to?

01:30:00.760 Yeah, so, basically what happened is he was watching what's unfolding.

01:30:05.500 And contrary to what most fathers did, he said, okay, I actually want to do something about this.

01:30:10.940 And his first move, I believe he has daughters and he didn't like it.

01:30:16.420 And his first move was to put up a billboard that said, I love J.K. Rowling.

01:30:22.320 Yeah, right.

01:30:23.020 After she spoke out.

01:30:23.880 Right.

01:30:24.220 Was that in Vancouver?

01:30:25.360 Where did he do that?

01:30:26.040 I believe it.

01:30:27.000 I want to say it was in Vancouver, but I'm not positive about that.

01:30:29.500 Right.

01:30:29.740 So, he rented a billboard space.

01:30:31.700 And it got removed after a day.

01:30:33.240 It was too controversial.

01:30:34.760 And he tried all sorts of other different billboards.

01:30:36.420 Yeah, because what has J.K. Rowling done for the world?

01:30:39.900 And so, they kept getting removed.

01:30:42.340 So, he said, you know what?

01:30:43.400 I'll be the billboard.

01:30:44.600 Oh, that's how it happened.

01:30:44.740 So, he just put it on himself.

01:30:46.560 And he'd go out and he'd start conversations and it blew up quick.

01:30:49.920 Yeah.

01:30:50.280 Yeah, it blew up really quick.

01:30:51.720 Yeah.

01:30:51.920 He came from nowhere and became very famous very rapidly.

01:30:55.940 It was a smart move.

01:30:57.220 I see.

01:30:57.680 So, he decided to be the billboard because they couldn't take him down.

01:31:00.540 Yeah.

01:31:00.780 Or at least not so far.

01:31:02.520 Yeah, so.

01:31:03.820 Now, the event that, how did you guys jointly organize the event that you were at together?

01:31:11.980 He just reached out to me.

01:31:13.260 I said, look, let's go to a school together.

01:31:15.840 That's what I've been doing.

01:31:17.200 And it's been garnering support.

01:31:18.600 And you've been on the other side of the country going viral too.

01:31:22.140 And imagine the effect we could have together.

01:31:24.720 So, we put out this event.

01:31:26.780 And I rarely do this.

01:31:27.920 But we announced it like two months beforehand.

01:31:30.280 And that gave time for people to book flights and stuff.

01:31:33.680 And it was really starting to pick up a lot of support online.

01:31:37.380 And sure enough, the day came.

01:31:40.580 And it was, I had never organized a protest where our crowd outnumbered the counter protest.

01:31:47.160 And it did.

01:31:49.540 And we had a massive crowd.

01:31:51.300 And that was where?

01:31:52.080 Was that in?

01:31:52.420 That was in Ottawa.

01:31:53.500 That was in Ottawa.

01:31:54.160 Is that the one that Sing opposed?

01:31:56.100 No, that was, this was back in June.

01:31:58.400 And Singapore was the one in the Million Man March just on the 20th here in September.

01:32:02.860 Okay.

01:32:03.220 So, the one that you did with Billboard Chris was before the Million Man March.

01:32:07.360 Have you been in touch with the organizations, organizers of the Million Man March?

01:32:11.220 Oh, yes.

01:32:11.680 Yeah.

01:32:11.960 Who are those organizers?

01:32:13.500 Who's doing that?

01:32:14.500 It's an organization called Hands Off Our Kids that started it.

01:32:18.100 And I actually first met them at the event me and Billboard Chris did.

01:32:21.480 They all came out.

01:32:22.220 And we got to meet them.

01:32:24.780 And I've been in communication with them.

01:32:28.020 I think they're just concerned parents from what I know.

01:32:30.240 People that are sick of watching our country go under.

01:32:31.900 Hateful, concerned parents.

01:32:33.560 As Trudeau would say.

01:32:34.760 Right, right.

01:32:35.340 No, he didn't say that apparently.

01:32:37.180 Apart from the fact that it's there like on his Twitter feed.

01:32:40.880 Right.

01:32:41.400 So, I actually think the fundamental problem, a fundamental problem, technically speaking,

01:32:48.820 is that the faculties of education have a hammerlock on teacher certification.

01:32:52.900 And the faculties of education have been for 60 years arguably the most intellectually corrupt

01:33:00.300 faculty in the universities.

01:33:03.580 To call their research appalling is to barely scrape the surface.

01:33:08.380 The faculties of education generate one idiot piece of society damaging pseudoscience after another.

01:33:16.500 And they've been doing that for decades.

01:33:18.580 And they attract the worst students who are in teaching for the worst reasons.

01:33:26.380 Often because they're confused and don't know what else to do.

01:33:29.460 Sometimes because they're pretty happy about the fact that they get two months of summer vacation.

01:33:34.320 Dreadful academic records.

01:33:35.760 Their standards are dismal, to say the least.

01:33:39.660 And they're unbelievably woke.

01:33:42.960 And yet, they have a monopoly on teacher certification.

01:33:47.500 The fact that conservatives haven't woken up to this, or even classic liberals for that matter,

01:33:51.740 is a kind of miracle of stupidity.

01:33:53.880 It's the same in the United States.

01:33:55.560 Because the education enterprise complex, the education propaganda complex, right?

01:34:04.080 Like the military-industrial complex, has a hammerlock essentially on 50% of American state budgets

01:34:10.460 because that's the percentage of the budgets that goes to the education system.

01:34:13.860 And so, it's a complete bloody scam right from top to bottom.

01:34:17.980 But the heart of the beast is the faculties of education.

01:34:22.680 And if conservatives and genuine liberals had a clue, they would take teacher certification away from them tomorrow.

01:34:29.040 And that would be, I think that's the Achilles heel of the woke movement.

01:34:33.280 Because as long as they've got that right to certify teachers, they have control over a huge part of the political budgets.

01:34:41.940 And so, and conservatives have been blind to this, well, literally since the mid-60s.

01:34:46.500 It's, it's a long time, right?

01:34:47.760 That's 60 years.

01:34:48.560 It's like, it's time to wake up, guys.

01:34:50.260 This can't go any farther.

01:34:51.980 So, now it must be hard for you two to look forward into the future, eh?

01:34:55.360 Because your lives are very chaotic and transforming continually.

01:34:59.240 It's like, do you have some sense of, because you're young.

01:35:03.260 How old are you?

01:35:04.260 19.

01:35:04.840 19.

01:35:05.140 So, you guys are both very young.

01:35:06.900 Like, what would you, your lives, they're never going to be the same.

01:35:12.520 So, you can just forget about that.

01:35:14.060 But that could be a huge advantage.

01:35:15.500 It's like, if you could maneuver your way through this properly, carefully, what do you see yourselves doing a couple years down the road?

01:35:26.120 Where do you want this to go if you could manage it properly?

01:35:30.740 That's kind of the question I get asked so much.

01:35:33.120 And like you said, our lives are so chaotic.

01:35:35.520 It's really hard to tell.

01:35:37.560 I don't know where I want to go.

01:35:39.080 And I'm kind of searching.

01:35:40.360 Right now, my goal is to learn as much as possible while I'm young and improve myself for whatever is to come.

01:35:48.000 What do you want to learn about?

01:35:50.040 Anything and everything, really.

01:35:51.620 I've just, I'm constantly got my nose in the book now.

01:35:55.780 Yeah.

01:35:55.800 I've got a great reading list online, you know.

01:35:59.280 I'll have to take a look.

01:36:00.380 Yeah, there's about 150 books.

01:36:01.860 I just finished your book.

01:36:03.840 You did?

01:36:04.320 Which one?

01:36:05.160 Your first will be 12 Rules.

01:36:07.420 Oh, yeah.

01:36:07.780 But, yeah, no, like I'm just trying to learn as much as possible.

01:36:13.440 And whether I continue doing what I am right now on such a public scale, I'm happy to do that.

01:36:21.640 And I'd just as happy to be okay to never see a camera again, right?

01:36:26.880 But, I mean, it's really about where the Lord wants me.

01:36:32.940 How do you decide what to do next?

01:36:35.840 What guides you?

01:36:37.660 Well, I mean, I have role models in my life, people I respect who I can ask advice for.

01:36:44.720 And I can also, I mean, I spend a lot of time praying and stuff.

01:36:49.520 How do you do that?

01:36:50.960 Just through reading the Word and just praying in general and keeping a relationship and understanding

01:36:58.240 and trying to learn the Word of God as much as possible.

01:37:02.000 So, I've been thinking about prayer in relationship to thought.

01:37:06.660 So, I actually think that thought is secularized prayer.

01:37:10.620 So, because here, imagine here are the components of thought, okay?

01:37:15.280 So, the first thing that has to happen if you're going to think is you have to have a problem, okay?

01:37:22.320 And you have to admit you have a problem because why think otherwise?

01:37:24.840 I don't think there's much difference between admitting you have a problem and adopting a stance of humility or being on your knees, so to speak, symbolically.

01:37:34.140 It's like, I've got a problem, I don't know how to solve it, I'm looking for, so that's a lack in you, obviously.

01:37:40.640 I'm looking for a solution, okay?

01:37:42.080 So, that's the next thing is you're looking for a solution.

01:37:44.180 You have to put that question forward.

01:37:45.860 Now, this can even happen with people who are purely secular.

01:37:48.420 So, the next thing that happens is you formulate the question and then you open yourself up to something, approximating revelation, as far as I can tell.

01:37:56.740 You know, as you're contemplating the problem at hand and an answer will arise.

01:38:02.060 Now, that's a mystery.

01:38:03.100 You know, people will say, well, I thought up the answer.

01:38:05.380 It's like, well, why didn't you have the answer to begin with if you were capable of thinking it up?

01:38:09.720 Where did the answer come from?

01:38:11.120 It's like, well, I thought it up.

01:38:12.140 That's not much of an explanation there, buddy.

01:38:14.700 The answer appears and then you have to critically assess it, right?

01:38:19.660 That's testing the spirits, you might say.

01:38:22.060 Critically assess it to see if this is a solid idea or if it comes from sources that are untoward, right?

01:38:30.160 Because you want to be guided by the highest possible spirit, so to speak.

01:38:33.260 And you can establish that in part through dialogue, internal dialogue.

01:38:37.900 That would be part of thinking or dialogue with other people.

01:38:40.220 But it is possible to step forward on a firm foundation, right?

01:38:47.320 If you do open yourself up, it's something like you've got the humility that enables you to receive the revelation.

01:38:54.740 And then the quality of the revelation is dependent to some degree on your aim.

01:38:58.720 And so if you're aiming up and you're attempting to abide by the truth,

01:39:02.440 then the spirit that makes itself manifest to you in that revelation, let's say, will be reliable.

01:39:10.220 And then you can feel your way forward one step at a time and not make a mistake.

01:39:14.860 You can do that with your words if you're very careful.

01:39:16.860 And both of you guys, you're very careful speakers.

01:39:18.900 I didn't see any sign in either of you during this conversation that you were taking liberty with your speech.

01:39:26.320 And you're actually in a position of some temptation because you have so much public attention focused on you.

01:39:31.880 So, you know, there's always the possibility that whatever flaws you have will be magnified by that,

01:39:36.640 especially the case when you're young because, you know, you don't have a tremendous amount of experience.

01:39:41.020 And all of a sudden now you're in the public light.

01:39:43.100 But I haven't seen any of that emerge in our conversation.

01:39:47.160 And maybe you've been pounded down hard enough by everything that's happened to you to keep you properly humble.

01:39:52.940 Well, you know, hopefully, right, because with all the attention that's focused on you,

01:39:57.360 you could make some pretty spectacular errors if you wanted to be incautious, right?

01:40:01.920 High probability outcome.

01:40:03.960 So, okay, so you don't know.

01:40:05.080 You're trying to learn.

01:40:06.200 Well, that's good.

01:40:07.300 That's good.

01:40:08.900 Yeah, well, it's a tough one to see through, right?

01:40:12.780 Because things are so crazy in Canada at the moment.

01:40:15.420 It's not obvious at all what the appropriate pathway forward is.

01:40:20.200 No, and so what's, okay, so what's on the immediate horizon?

01:40:24.200 On the immediate horizon, there's, well, we've got a couple other protests probably.

01:40:30.680 We haven't announced them yet, but they'll be coming out very shortly.

01:40:33.220 How can people keep track of your activities?

01:40:35.380 We post it all on mainly my social media.

01:40:38.460 And tell people that again.

01:40:39.700 It's the Twitter official Josh underscore.

01:40:42.780 And Instagram's josh.alexander underscore safe Canada.

01:40:47.840 So it's Twitter and Instagram that you're using most.

01:40:50.160 Yeah, do you use YouTube at all?

01:40:51.600 No, but.

01:40:52.140 We are starting a YouTube channel.

01:40:53.800 I'm looking to start a show, so I guess that one is going to be something in the near future.

01:41:01.320 Yeah, well, there's a niche, you know, that isn't occupied in Canada.

01:41:04.680 One of the things you guys could do on YouTube, and you've probably got the social reach to manage it,

01:41:08.780 is to start doing an interview series with people who are in high school, right?

01:41:14.240 To talk about serious issues, but among people who are really young.

01:41:18.180 Like, I can see a bit of a cultural transformation starting to take place, tilting younger people more towards a more classic conservatism.

01:41:26.840 But it's really young people, right?

01:41:28.500 It's not people in their 20s even.

01:41:30.140 It's people who are, well, maybe your age or younger.

01:41:32.640 And so there's a market there, and you have enough reach to already start to publicize that.

01:41:37.580 And I haven't seen anything like that in Canada.

01:41:39.420 There's the odd YouTube channel in the U.S. where young people are talking to other young people,

01:41:43.900 but you're in a prime position to do that.

01:41:45.920 And the thing about YouTube is that you can have long and serious conversations, you know?

01:41:51.680 And so it'd be interesting.

01:41:53.580 I'm not giving you any advice because you've got enough things on your plate,

01:41:56.580 but you're already using social media and you're not taking advantage of the,

01:42:01.500 at least at the moment, of the place where long-form discussion is most possible, right?

01:42:07.040 And it'd be very useful for young people to see a place where serious discussion on ethical and political matters would actually be possible.

01:42:14.860 And YouTube's a miracle for that, right?

01:42:16.620 Because there's no cost of entry.

01:42:18.080 And so, yeah.

01:42:21.020 Is there anything you guys want to say in closing?

01:42:24.080 You're going to be talking to a lot of young people in Canada.

01:42:27.020 Nick, let's start with you.

01:42:28.260 Like, you've got all your peers out there, young men like you.

01:42:31.280 What do you want to tell them?

01:42:32.760 Stand up, be a man, do your duty as a man, and don't bow to the woke mob.

01:42:39.980 And what's the advantage of that?

01:42:42.100 You have honour.

01:42:43.560 What's the advantage of that?

01:42:45.840 You have self-respect.

01:42:46.800 You have respect to your peers.

01:42:48.000 Yeah, genuine self-respect, right?

01:42:49.560 Not his false self-esteem.

01:42:51.580 And we're all going to have kids in this world someday.

01:42:54.140 And I don't know everyone else, but I don't want to bring kids into a world like this, how it is right now.

01:42:58.320 So if we can change it, we can make a change right now, I think it's imperative that we stand up and make that change.

01:43:04.160 What's been the...

01:43:05.040 Okay, so you've done what you could to speak your mind.

01:43:09.260 You said the advantage to that, at least in part, is self-respect.

01:43:11.900 What do you think that means, that self-respect that's associated with your willingness to put what you believe to be true forward?

01:43:19.820 Why do you think that imbues you with self-respect?

01:43:25.200 Because I know I'm morally standing on the right side of what's happening.

01:43:28.780 How do you know?

01:43:30.420 Because the morals I'm standing for are based on the Word of God, which is the foundation of my life.

01:43:35.140 So I talked to this guy, Jonathan Pajot.

01:43:39.740 Pajot's worth following, by the way.

01:43:41.780 He's probably the deepest religious thinker I've ever met.

01:43:45.380 He's got an uncanny eye for patterns and for narrative interpretation.

01:43:50.000 He said you're supposed to orient yourself ethically in two dimensions.

01:43:53.560 So one is collective, right?

01:43:57.640 It's like, in order to get along in the world, we have to agree with one another, at least to some degree.

01:44:03.340 Yes, at least to some degree, right?

01:44:05.000 Because otherwise it's fractiousness and conflict.

01:44:06.900 And so part of what you're doing when you're seeing if you're orienting yourself properly is to see if you can pull other people into voluntary agreement with you.

01:44:14.940 Now, the problem with that is that that's the crowd, you know, and the crowd can go insane from time to time and clearly does.

01:44:22.120 Yes, absolutely.

01:44:23.360 So then the consensus per se can't be the only dimension of ethical orientation.

01:44:29.140 And so there's a horizontal axis of ethical orientation.

01:44:32.880 That would be associated with Jacob's ladder.

01:44:34.900 And the mountain image in the Old Testament is actually a representation, at least in part, of the consensus dimension and the transcendent dimension.

01:44:44.300 And so to orient yourself, you need, what would you say, an alliance with what's traditional and religious.

01:44:51.380 And you need an alliance with your social community simultaneously.

01:44:54.360 Absolutely, yeah.

01:44:55.020 Yeah, yeah.

01:44:55.500 You have to be able to function in society.

01:44:57.120 Yeah, right, right.

01:44:58.100 Be a good man as well.

01:45:00.140 You need to have those two dimensions working simultaneously.

01:45:03.980 So, yeah.

01:45:04.620 So, Josh, what do you have to say to young men, young women for that matter too?

01:45:10.060 And are you talking more to young men, would you say?

01:45:12.300 Are you talking more to young women?

01:45:13.400 Do you know?

01:45:14.160 I mean, I'm talking to everybody.

01:45:15.560 And it's not just young people.

01:45:16.820 Well, my message is mainly focused on young people, but I think everybody could listen to this advice.

01:45:23.340 And it's not that I'm full of wisdom.

01:45:25.100 You just have to look at a history book.

01:45:27.140 Look how culture and societies functioned and were successful.

01:45:32.540 And a lot of it was founded in the nuclear family.

01:45:37.880 And it was founded in the truth.

01:45:40.160 And like he said, as a young man, I want to have self-respect and honest self-respect.

01:45:46.280 And in order to do that, I need to fight for the truth.

01:45:51.500 And the fact of the matter is, you're going to face persecution for standing up for what's right.

01:45:56.120 We're in a world of evil.

01:45:56.800 Yeah, you're going to face persecution for not standing up for it too, though.

01:45:59.980 That's true.

01:46:00.560 You bet, man.

01:46:01.320 This is the thing people don't understand, especially when things start to destabilize, is you're screwed both ways.

01:46:08.160 Yeah.

01:46:08.480 And so you can just accept that and think, well, fine, then I'll stick to the truth.

01:46:12.320 And I'll take my chances with that side of the equation.

01:46:15.560 And there's no trouble-free pathway through life.

01:46:18.840 You can just dispense with that idea instantly.

01:46:21.220 This is why the security seeking that people engage in when they don't say something, when they have something to say, is so counterproductive.

01:46:29.980 It's like, well, if you keep your mouth shut, you won't get in trouble in the next 10 seconds.

01:46:34.740 But the next five years might be kind of dismal.

01:46:37.760 Yeah.

01:46:38.220 Right, as everything you love falls apart and you pull everyone along with you into the cowardly abyss.

01:46:43.560 It's like, you might as well just say what you have to say right now and get it over with.

01:46:48.380 Yeah, it's suffer now or suffer later, right?

01:46:50.580 Yeah, it's suffer now somewhat with a certain degree of honor, let's say, or suffer much more and much more invisibly and with a lot more people later.

01:46:58.760 Yeah, that's a stupid deal.

01:47:00.340 Yeah.

01:47:00.520 So, yeah, and you sacrifice your soul on that pathway too.

01:47:04.280 And that's not a very good idea.

01:47:06.280 Exactly.

01:47:07.660 And yeah, I believe that this life is such a small portion.

01:47:13.000 I truly believe that we're just pilgrims here and we have an eternity to look forward to.

01:47:17.640 And I would encourage any young person to, I mean, exercise and maintain self-discipline, learn as much as possible and get on the winning side.

01:47:31.800 I mean, as a Christian, I know that we've already won.

01:47:35.780 We're fighting from victory and not for it.

01:47:37.560 And when Christ paid the price on the cross, that was it.

01:47:43.200 It was finished.

01:47:44.220 That's what he said.

01:47:45.100 And it's quite encouraging to know that.

01:47:49.980 So what happens, we win.

01:47:52.740 Christ already paid the price for us.

01:47:54.160 We've already won.

01:47:55.240 Our sins are paid for.

01:47:56.400 So all I can do is continue to fight for what is right and try to encourage other people, young and old,

01:48:06.260 to quit running towards eternal damnation, repent of what they've done wrong, and join the winning side.

01:48:17.420 And like you said, you will face a little bit of suffering now, but it's a lot better than eternal torment, right?

01:48:25.700 And separation from God.

01:48:27.260 And so, yeah, I would certainly encourage everybody to uphold the truth and focus on improving themselves just in their own life,

01:48:39.680 but also sparking change in a world that is just spinning out of control right now.

01:48:46.580 All right, gentlemen.

01:48:48.960 Very nice talking to you.

01:48:50.800 Thank you.

01:48:51.100 Thanks for having us.

01:48:51.620 So thank you, everybody, who's watching and listening.

01:48:54.780 Your time and attention is always much appreciated.

01:48:57.400 And to the Daily Wire folks for making these conversations both straightforward and simple and professionally produced.

01:49:04.880 I appreciate that very much.

01:49:07.200 Taking obstacles out of my path on a continual basis so that I can do this regularly.

01:49:12.560 To the film crew here in Toronto, thanks for your help today, guys.

01:49:15.820 It's much appreciated as well.

01:49:17.160 And you guys know, most of you who are watching, I'll do another half an hour with these two gentlemen behind the Daily Wire Plus platform.

01:49:25.920 I don't exactly know what we're going to talk about, but I'll figure that out when we get there.

01:49:29.260 So we've got a lot more to delve into.

01:49:31.520 So if you're inclined to join us on that side of the world, please do.

01:49:35.680 And your support there is also very much appreciated.

01:49:39.100 Bye-bye, guys.

01:49:39.980 Bye-bye, guys.

399. The Future of Canada ｜ Josh & Nick Alexander

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