The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast - 462. Why the Establishment Hates This Man

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00:00:14.700 Hello everybody, I'm talking today to the dread Tommy Robinson.

00:00:35.100 My wife, who's going to join the discussion, she had something to do with this.

00:00:39.460 Tammy and I have been following Tommy for quite a long time, years really, probably nine years, maybe longer than that.

00:00:47.020 Wondering just what the hell he's doing and what he's up to.

00:00:50.360 Watching his exposure, particularly of the grooming gangs in the UK, which is like the darkest story that the most demented imagination could possibly posit.

00:00:59.920 So, Tammy was going to interview Tommy and I wanted to meet him.

00:01:05.260 And then he got arrested in Calgary and I talked to Tammy a bunch about this.

00:01:08.840 And we watched his latest documentary, Silenced, together.

00:01:14.380 And I felt that it would be more than useful for us to both do the podcast.

00:01:19.340 And so that's what we've done.

00:01:21.000 And so what did we talk about?

00:01:22.960 Well, we talked about his arrest in Canada, right, with no charges.

00:01:27.740 And we talked about, well, his past since really since 2009 up to 2018 and what he's been through and why.

00:01:36.400 And we talked about the rally that's going to occur in London on July 27th and much else as well.

00:01:46.420 And so join us for that.

00:01:48.080 So, Mr. Robinson, my wife and I have been following you a long time, trying to figure out what the hell's going on and what you're up to.

00:01:57.880 And so you've just run into a spot of trouble, you might say, in Canada.

00:02:03.160 Welcome to Canada.

00:02:05.620 Welcome to Justin Trudeau's Canada.

00:02:08.000 So maybe, why don't you start with what happened in Calgary and what you think happened?

00:02:15.120 Because no one really knows.

00:02:17.480 So I landed in, I went to Montreal.

00:02:20.340 I spent a week in Montreal.

00:02:21.540 I met Gadsad.

00:02:22.540 I met Nsaf Badawi.

00:02:23.620 I've been in contact with that family for 10 years.

00:02:25.640 Went for dinner there.

00:02:26.840 Then I traveled to Calgary.

00:02:28.800 That's the family of the guy who's trapped in?

00:02:31.520 So Raif Badawi, he put a statement online in Saudi Arabia saying Jews, Christians and Muslims are equal.

00:02:38.340 That's what he said.

00:02:39.380 He was prosecuted.

00:02:40.480 He got 10 years in prison.

00:02:41.860 And they kept trying to do him for apostasy.

00:02:44.200 So they were trying to sentence him to death.

00:02:46.340 He was sentenced to a thousand lashes.

00:02:47.820 Now, this was in 2011, 2012.

00:02:50.860 And that was at the start of my activism.

00:02:52.720 But I was in contact with Raif and his family.

00:02:54.740 So he had three children, same age as my children.

00:02:57.240 And I've just visited his family.

00:02:58.660 To know that he still hasn't embraced and be able to hug his family still now is insane.

00:03:03.320 And there was a fight for his freedom.

00:03:04.860 And Canada gave his family, who at the time, I was in contact with them back then, gave them refugee status.

00:03:11.140 And so I come to Canada and I went to meet his family.

00:03:14.140 They invited me for dinner.

00:03:15.160 I had a lovely time.

00:03:16.700 Then I come to Calgary.

00:03:17.820 When I landed in Canada, I contacted Ezra Levant because I used to work for Rebel Media.

00:03:22.040 Said, I'm in Canada.

00:03:23.100 He said, great, let's set up a couple of events.

00:03:25.180 And so I landed and then we set up the first event for six days later, which was in Calgary.

00:03:30.940 So I then traveled to Calgary, get my first speaking event, talking about my politics, talking about my journalism back home, telling about my story.

00:03:38.680 And as I went to leave the event at the end, four cars pulled up, arrested me, detained me, took me to an immigration center.

00:03:45.260 I wasn't charged.

00:03:46.260 It was quite insane, actually.

00:03:47.580 It was quite bizarre because-

00:03:48.480 Were you ever charged with anything?

00:03:50.480 Never charged with anything.

00:03:51.260 And so what I found particularly strange about that was that you, I understand that you were detained for some time at the airport.

00:04:00.540 Is that what you begin with?

00:04:01.920 I was detained for three or four hours at Immigration One.

00:04:03.800 So they went and I've got a copy of my stamp.

00:04:06.060 So they stamped me with queries.

00:04:08.380 I think because I traveled in on an Irish passport from Denmark and I didn't have a return flight.

00:04:13.460 Well, they probably knew who you were too.

00:04:15.260 Yeah.

00:04:15.680 But when they questioned me for the three, four hours, they wanted to know who I was seeing, where I was staying.

00:04:19.560 I gave them all that information.

00:04:21.220 They made phone calls to the people and then they released me.

00:04:25.020 And then when, and as I said, when they come, they said, they detained me.

00:04:29.100 They took me to the immigration center and then they seemed like they were trying to release me straight away,

00:04:35.320 which the officers didn't seem like they wanted to be detaining me.

00:04:38.140 They said, Tommy, listen, if you agree to conditions, we can get you out the door.

00:04:43.320 Oh yeah.

00:04:43.660 If you don't agree conditions, you're going to be on a flight to Vancouver and you're going to be detained.

00:04:47.500 And that detainment could be for a while.

00:04:49.020 Yeah.

00:04:49.620 Okay.

00:04:50.100 But I said, okay.

00:04:51.180 So what do you want me to agree to?

00:04:52.920 They said, agree to not leave Calgary and agree to sign in the police station three times a week.

00:04:58.100 So my next, my event.

00:04:59.840 Did they say why?

00:05:01.340 Well, it's become quite obvious why, because it was to block my appearance at Edmund.

00:05:05.820 And they said, you're not, I said, what about Edmund?

00:05:07.440 And I've got an event sold out tomorrow and you're not allowed to go to Edmund.

00:05:10.760 Okay.

00:05:11.200 Okay.

00:05:11.520 Got it.

00:05:12.120 And then I said, I'm due to be in Toronto.

00:05:14.260 You're not allowed to go to Toronto.

00:05:15.980 So I said, okay, so that's what this is about.

00:05:17.460 I see.

00:05:17.840 And did they say on what grounds you weren't allowed to speak to all the people who'd already

00:05:22.520 paid for you to speak to them?

00:05:24.180 They said that they didn't believe I've been entirely honest with them in my immigration

00:05:27.480 meeting.

00:05:28.520 So I didn't, we didn't pre-put up any event for sales for a talking engagement until I

00:05:34.720 was in Canada.

00:05:35.260 When I was in Canada and I spoke to Rebel Media.

00:05:37.160 So once I was through immigration, I spoke to Ezra.

00:05:39.540 Ezra said, right, let's do a couple of speaking engagements.

00:05:41.420 So they said, they believe I knew I was doing speaking engagements before I come here, but

00:05:45.940 there was no ticket sales.

00:05:47.000 There was nothing before I come here.

00:05:48.200 It was once I got in.

00:05:48.900 But I said, what difference does that make?

00:05:51.460 What difference does that make?

00:05:52.600 I'm in Canada.

00:05:53.280 You've given me six months, I believe, to be here when you've allowed me in.

00:05:57.380 What difference does it make whether I'm speaking or not?

00:05:59.820 Then they said, and we had lawyers present for all of this, and Ezra hired us the best

00:06:03.520 immigration lawyer.

00:06:04.720 They said that you're only allowed five days.

00:06:07.720 If you're coming and doing a speaking engagement, which is a different visa to what you've got,

00:06:11.560 then you're allowed five days.

00:06:13.100 So you've had your first day in Calgary, so you can't do Toronto anyway, because it's

00:06:16.280 seven or eight days later.

00:06:17.720 And then the immigration lawyer said, well, that's not true, because you're allowed five

00:06:20.600 separate dates, and it doesn't matter if they're over the six months.

00:06:23.360 So they were trying to twist things the whole time.

00:06:25.920 But then they seemed in a very bad situation.

00:06:29.520 We spent two days of negotiations.

00:06:32.940 So it was...

00:06:33.500 Was this in Calgary?

00:06:34.400 In Calgary, yeah.

00:06:35.320 In Calgary with lawyers to negotiate my exit from the country.

00:06:39.260 So for them, we had to negotiate when I...

00:06:42.560 Because what they said is, you're not free to leave at the minute.

00:06:45.160 You can't leave.

00:06:46.060 It's my daughter's birthday next week, so I was concerned.

00:06:47.760 I didn't want to tell him that, but I was concerned that I was going to be held here.

00:06:50.420 Then I was concerned whether they were holding me here till after July 27th, which is

00:06:54.400 my next big event in the UK.

00:06:56.340 So my head started going down all the rabbit holes, trying to work out what I'm doing.

00:06:59.520 But I don't think they knew what they were doing, if I'm honest.

00:07:03.160 After speaking...

00:07:03.560 Well, it is Canada under Justin Trudeau, so that's a fair assumption.

00:07:06.940 And they didn't want to be doing it.

00:07:08.080 It was very clear.

00:07:08.860 The officers that were doing it...

00:07:10.260 In Calgary.

00:07:10.960 In Calgary.

00:07:11.520 Yeah, I wondered about...

00:07:12.380 Were so nice.

00:07:13.420 Yeah.

00:07:13.720 Were so nice the whole time.

00:07:14.900 And who picked you up?

00:07:15.980 What was the...

00:07:16.400 The Canada Border Immigration Agency, CBSA.

00:07:19.680 Right.

00:07:19.900 So it was the federal people.

00:07:21.000 The federal people.

00:07:21.620 Yeah.

00:07:21.740 And they said it had come from...

00:07:22.840 Because I asked them, I recorded them in the back of the car, saying, who's ordered

00:07:25.720 my detention and what for?

00:07:27.740 And they said, for immigration violations.

00:07:29.860 Yeah.

00:07:30.040 I poked around in the Alberta government to see if there is any involvement there.

00:07:33.720 And I found no evidence that they knew anything about what was going on with you at all.

00:07:37.740 Or could find out about anything.

00:07:39.720 And it doesn't make sense.

00:07:40.700 Because then now they've just given me back my passport.

00:07:43.100 But they only gave me back my passport under the agreement that I've booked my flight to

00:07:46.900 leave from Toronto.

00:07:48.080 Now, do you have a speaking engagement in Toronto?

00:07:50.700 Today.

00:07:51.320 Today.

00:07:51.980 When is it?

00:07:52.820 It's at five.

00:07:53.700 It starts at five o'clock.

00:07:54.840 Right.

00:07:55.200 Right.

00:07:55.540 Okay.

00:07:56.060 Okay.

00:07:56.640 Okay.

00:07:56.900 Okay.

00:07:57.180 So.

00:07:57.520 So, okay.

00:07:58.520 So what did you want to come here to speak about?

00:08:01.020 So, I'll be honest, this possibly could be the most important interview I've done of my

00:08:06.660 life, yeah?

00:08:07.140 I currently face, since leaving the UK, I had a huge event on the 1st of June.

00:08:12.860 Since leaving the UK, I've received no paperwork, but a far left organization have put out that

00:08:18.780 I'm going to be in court on July 29th, facing two years in prison for a film that I made four

00:08:24.940 years ago.

00:08:26.060 So, I made a film.

00:08:26.600 Why are you being charged?

00:08:28.080 Tammy and I watched that film last week.

00:08:30.100 You've watched the film.

00:08:30.800 Yeah.

00:08:31.000 Now, the only thing I saw about it that was, you know, could be argued to be questionable

00:08:36.500 was the fact that you recorded people who didn't want to talk without them knowing.

00:08:41.620 Now, my sense was that it was perfectly understandable why you did that.

00:08:46.820 But, you know, in terms of looking for malfeasance, say, that seemed to be the most obvious thing.

00:08:52.800 Now, you were investigating something like you have been a lot, as far as I'm concerned,

00:08:57.020 something unspeakably vile.

00:08:59.980 And so, it seems to me that you had a moral obligation as a human being and as a journalist

00:09:05.300 to do exactly that.

00:09:06.540 But like, what the hell?

00:09:08.260 Why are you up on charges for two years?

00:09:10.320 So, I'm up for contempt because when we talk about the politicization of the judiciary or

00:09:14.920 the weaponization of the judiciary, basically, when this story that you've watched, this

00:09:18.760 story went global.

00:09:19.920 It was a global news story, which was a total fabricated story.

00:09:22.540 Yeah, maybe clue people into the story.

00:09:25.420 So, there was a Syrian refugee in a school in the north of England, and he's held down

00:09:29.920 on video by a white English pupil, and he pours a bottle of water over him.

00:09:33.780 Now, the headlines were that Syrian refugee was racially attacked and waterboarded.

00:09:38.540 Waterboarded.

00:09:39.160 So, that was the headline.

00:09:40.460 And that went CNN, it went ABC Australia, it went BBC.

00:09:44.520 It was the biggest news story of the world, yeah?

00:09:46.700 And they blew it up.

00:09:47.880 Now, the story the public were told was that it was a racist attack because he was a Syrian

00:09:51.840 and because he was a refugee.

00:09:53.340 And everyone was told that the white English boy was a racist bully.

00:09:56.720 Now, very quickly, very quickly as this blew up, I think £170,000 was donated to the Syrian

00:10:01.560 refugee.

00:10:02.760 Our politicians used it.

00:10:04.100 Everyone used this story for their agenda.

00:10:06.560 So, the Home Secretary invited the Syrian refugee to Parliament.

00:10:10.820 Professional Lennox Lewis, world champion boxers, made invites to him.

00:10:14.640 Everyone was supporting the Syrian refugee because of the way the story was portrayed.

00:10:18.680 I very quickly got contacted by mothers and parents at the school and pupils.

00:10:21.840 at the school saying that there were allegations that the Syrian refugee had beat up girls,

00:10:26.840 he'd attacked girls, he'd threatened to rape girls, all of these allegations.

00:10:30.280 So, I made a video saying to the public, you're being lied to about this event, okay?

00:10:33.680 This is not the entire story.

00:10:35.080 You've got a 10-second clip.

00:10:36.680 Stop donating your money.

00:10:38.020 And this isn't the truth.

00:10:40.000 From that, then, I received, we have a celebrity jihadist lawyer who represents all the jihadists.

00:10:44.600 So, if you've heard, yeah, his name's Mohammed Akunji.

00:10:46.840 So, he's the man trying to get Shamina Begnam back into the UK.

00:10:49.860 That's the girl that went to the ISIS bride.

00:10:52.500 He's been the, he was the lawyer for Michael Adobalajo who beheaded Lee Rigby.

00:10:56.000 He is the celebrity jihadist lawyer.

00:10:58.460 He then contacts me and it worked with everyone else.

00:11:01.640 Everyone else that was threatened over this story shut up or retracted their statements, yeah?

00:11:05.760 He contacted me and said, you have to pay £50,000, make an apology for your defamation.

00:11:10.760 Because I went online and said that the Syrian refugee had threatened to stab someone and I said he attacks girls.

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00:12:52.960 Yeah, they said that wasn't true.

00:12:57.320 So they then started legal proceedings to sue me.

00:12:59.540 Okay.

00:13:00.240 This is where it starts.

00:13:01.700 So they start legal proceedings to sue me.

00:13:04.100 I then launch into action investigating because I know what I've said is true because I spoke to parents, pupils.

00:13:09.920 I spoke to everyone at the school.

00:13:11.480 So then I thought, how do I prove?

00:13:13.500 I'm always thinking outside of the court because there's no jury in this court case.

00:13:17.780 I'm thinking of public opinion.

00:13:19.080 I need to show the public that I have credibility and I haven't lied to you.

00:13:23.080 In fact, I was the only journalist in Britain who told you the truth about this story.

00:13:27.600 Now, when you see the film, if they can change the entire story, they change and deceive the entire nation on this story.

00:13:35.560 How many other stories are we seeing daily, which are total?

00:13:38.080 You mean like the story about Biden being competent?

00:13:40.360 Like that story, for example.

00:13:42.260 Like when they hide it, like the Hunter Biden story, when certain stories.

00:13:45.380 Right, Russian disinformation.

00:13:47.080 50 intelligence officers swearing to it.

00:13:50.160 They hide certain stories and then they pump other stories.

00:13:52.820 Now, why did they pump this story?

00:13:54.400 This story was about supporting migration, supporting refugee status, because the reality was the British government at this time,

00:14:01.380 this Syrian refugee was one of 20,000 welcomed in by the Conservative government at the height of the ISIS conflict.

00:14:06.720 So, if the reality could be told, which was allegations of the boy being a bully, attacking girls, stabbing people, and I'll get on to all of this.

00:14:15.400 So, if that was the truth, then people might start challenging the government policy.

00:14:19.400 Now, the government very quickly used this story, invited the Syrian refugee.

00:14:22.860 He was on every news show.

00:14:24.400 Once they'd done that, they couldn't go back on it.

00:14:26.300 They had to crush the story.

00:14:27.700 At which point, I then wear a hidden camera and I say, let's go and speak to the teachers.

00:14:33.420 Let's find out what's gone on up in Huddersfield.

00:14:36.400 The first teacher I go to, who was an Asian gentleman, come out and said, just said straight away, Tommy, I took the money.

00:14:42.560 I said, what do you mean you took the money?

00:14:44.440 He said, I took the money.

00:14:45.740 I said, they paid you.

00:14:46.820 Who paid you?

00:14:47.980 Kirklees Council.

00:14:48.680 Now, the leader of Kirklees Council was Shabir Pandor, who was a Muslim.

00:14:53.300 His brother's the lead.

00:14:54.200 Do you remember the school story in Batley, where a school teacher tried to talk about Muhammad?

00:15:00.960 And that school teacher's still in hiding now.

00:15:03.780 So, the man that organised the rally outside that school is a Mufti Pandor.

00:15:08.700 So, Shabir Pandor is the leader of the council.

00:15:11.340 His brother is the main radical imam who organised all the protests.

00:15:15.440 Now, at the time, in the city of Huddersfield, it was the biggest grooming scandal.

00:15:20.160 Grooming is rape jihad, gangs of Muslim men who are raping young girls in our country's history, yeah?

00:15:26.340 This was a perfect news story to change the narrative, which is what they've done.

00:15:30.460 Right, right.

00:15:30.760 So, the teacher says he was paid.

00:15:32.380 I say how much.

00:15:33.260 He whispers on camera £18,000.

00:15:36.800 So, then he goes on to tell me that the Syrian refugee come up to his classroom to beat up a girl.

00:15:42.280 Remember, my allegation is that he beats up girls.

00:15:44.700 And then we go on to get the school records.

00:15:46.740 Yeah.

00:15:47.480 We have, and just so you can see the deception to the British public,

00:15:51.720 the Syrian refugee was sat on TV and making comments like,

00:15:55.040 I don't like to break the school rules.

00:15:56.540 Yes, yes.

00:15:57.740 Well, his school records show 117 disciplinaries.

00:16:01.340 His school records show that the teaching...

00:16:03.360 He meant he didn't like to break them 150 times.

00:16:06.460 But the public were totally deceived on this.

00:16:08.360 And they donated £180,000 to this child, yeah?

00:16:10.880 Yeah.

00:16:11.180 And at the same time as this, the English boy was portrayed as a racist bully.

00:16:15.480 Right.

00:16:15.820 Which was a total...

00:16:16.460 They had to move, right?

00:16:17.620 Their house come under attack.

00:16:19.340 There was threats to rape the sisters.

00:16:20.800 Do you know what you don't see in the story?

00:16:22.040 Do you know that boy lived with me for three years?

00:16:24.280 That boy.

00:16:24.820 Thank you for three years.

00:16:25.280 I took him home.

00:16:26.140 I took the family home.

00:16:27.400 So they lived four hours away.

00:16:28.760 And didn't they put them in a ratty hotel right next to a brothel?

00:16:34.140 They were putting them in the Islamic...

00:16:35.440 In an Islamic district.

00:16:36.740 They were putting them in the Islamic district that Mufti Pandora,

00:16:39.800 the man who organised the protest outside the school,

00:16:42.060 controls the main mosque next door.

00:16:43.560 How soon did he show up at the school after that?

00:16:45.500 The next day.

00:16:46.140 The next day.

00:16:46.920 And the story, so people understand, the story wasn't organic.

00:16:50.720 The story of the bottle of water happens here.

00:16:53.300 Four weeks later, it blows up into international news.

00:16:57.020 Now, what happens in that four weeks?

00:16:58.780 The celebrity jihadist lawyers, working with the Home Office,

00:17:02.120 they put in a criminal record check on the Syrians' family.

00:17:05.660 So they're making sure the family are clean before they blow it up.

00:17:09.660 The criminal record check comes back, say, on the 25th.

00:17:12.380 On the 26th, it's world news.

00:17:14.080 So it wasn't like this story just went online and blew up

00:17:17.020 and everyone started reporting on it.

00:17:18.820 They had four weeks to plan it and they planned it

00:17:21.140 and they planned the entire story.

00:17:22.920 And what you see, the Syrian refugee had a broken arm at the time, yeah?

00:17:26.060 He had his arm in a plaster cast.

00:17:27.580 Now, what the public were told was that he broke his arm

00:17:30.500 in another racist attack.

00:17:32.720 So when I went to the headteacher's house,

00:17:34.340 after already having the teacher say he was paid £18,000

00:17:37.320 to prevent him telling the truth about the Syrian,

00:17:40.320 I then go to the headteacher's house who just said,

00:17:42.140 Tommy, I've never had my chance to talk about this, yeah?

00:17:45.440 I'm not allowed to, okay?

00:17:47.460 I said, so you've been, have you signed a non-disclosure agreement?

00:17:50.860 Did they pay you?

00:17:52.220 And he goes on to say they blackmailed him.

00:17:54.320 They threatened him.

00:17:55.100 So when this went on to world news,

00:17:58.060 they, and when I say who's they,

00:18:00.380 he says Theresa May, who was our prime minister at the time,

00:18:03.380 she spoke about this in the United Nations meeting.

00:18:05.560 She spoke about this story.

00:18:06.760 That's how big this story was.

00:18:07.820 And then they came into his school and he said he'd worked there for 25 years.

00:18:13.100 He joined education to help your,

00:18:14.740 he had a, I could have done a whole documentary on that headteacher, yeah?

00:18:18.100 They closed the school?

00:18:19.200 They closed the school.

00:18:19.920 Eventually, yeah.

00:18:20.840 So what happened to his arm?

00:18:22.660 So, so basically the headteacher says,

00:18:24.600 do you know how he broke his arm?

00:18:26.040 And I did, but I said, no, tell me how he broke his arm.

00:18:28.820 He said he was attacking a pupil four years younger than him.

00:18:32.200 So he was 15.

00:18:32.960 He was attacking an 11-year-old boy after racially abusing the boy's mum, yeah?

00:18:37.520 Yeah.

00:18:37.920 So he is attacking the boy and another pupil,

00:18:40.700 because he had a little boy in the headlock,

00:18:42.300 another pupil pushed him off.

00:18:43.740 That's how he broke his arm.

00:18:45.120 But I said, that's not what the whole world was told.

00:18:47.860 We were told.

00:18:48.320 Yeah, he fell against a curb.

00:18:49.220 He fell against a curb.

00:18:50.040 Yeah.

00:18:50.320 And that's what the records show from the school.

00:18:52.140 And the headteacher says on camera,

00:18:54.040 I investigated it.

00:18:55.320 I know how he broke his arm, yeah?

00:18:56.980 And then I asked the headteacher,

00:18:58.240 well, how come the public were never told any of this?

00:19:00.880 He said, we told the media.

00:19:02.260 We were telling the media.

00:19:04.320 All of us were.

00:19:05.240 It was never reported.

00:19:06.780 So then the headteacher goes on to state that

00:19:09.200 they made him sign a non-disclosure agreement.

00:19:11.720 They then escorted him off the school property,

00:19:13.780 and he'd never worked a day since.

00:19:15.320 And part of his agreement,

00:19:16.840 he's not even allowed to talk to other teachers.

00:19:18.640 So they totally shut this case down.

00:19:20.840 Now, whilst they shut this case down,

00:19:22.400 I was a problem,

00:19:23.540 because I was a journalist with a very large following,

00:19:26.540 telling the public and the world,

00:19:27.920 they're lying to you, yeah?

00:19:29.480 So how did they deal with me?

00:19:30.460 They then started legal proceedings.

00:19:31.900 Now, legal proceedings to sue me

00:19:34.580 because they said the allegations I made were lies.

00:19:37.700 Now, so I had to prove...

00:19:39.200 Who was they?

00:19:41.060 So the lawyers, the law firm.

00:19:44.040 But then, as a journalist,

00:19:46.340 I could prove everything I reported is what I was told.

00:19:49.660 I had the messages from a mum

00:19:50.940 who sent me pictures of her daughter's face with bite marks, yeah?

00:19:54.100 So I went to court first of all and said,

00:19:55.940 well, I'm a journalist.

00:19:57.260 I reported what I was told, yeah?

00:19:59.880 The judge didn't allow that.

00:20:01.080 The judge said, no, you have to prove it is true.

00:20:04.220 So I said, well, I don't have protection as a journalist

00:20:06.640 that I reported what I was told, yeah?

00:20:09.440 So why do I have to even...

00:20:10.420 If I was told it and I reported the allegation,

00:20:13.080 but then he...

00:20:13.300 Oh, you had the school record store.

00:20:14.880 Did you not have the...

00:20:15.520 No, I didn't have them at this point.

00:20:16.880 I see.

00:20:17.280 I didn't have them at this point.

00:20:18.060 So then he said, you have to prove it's...

00:20:19.460 You have to prove it's true.

00:20:20.680 I said, okay.

00:20:21.660 So then they put me...

00:20:22.300 So then they put me to trial.

00:20:25.540 Now, I spent £100,000, yeah?

00:20:27.840 On lawyers at the start of this.

00:20:30.020 It was going up to £200,000 for my legal fees.

00:20:32.680 Then it all become very apparent what this was for me very quickly.

00:20:36.020 Because we sat down in court and they agreed their legal costs.

00:20:39.480 We're up to £750,000.

00:20:41.380 Right.

00:20:41.800 So then I'm like, okay.

00:20:43.200 So this is what's happening.

00:20:44.480 Law of fear.

00:20:45.440 For me to fight this, and I couldn't afford to fight it, yeah?

00:20:49.420 So I couldn't afford the legal teams.

00:20:52.460 But we got into the proven truth.

00:20:55.120 So I had all the recordings, yeah?

00:20:57.620 So I went and got seven teachers.

00:20:59.540 One teacher, a female, says on camera,

00:21:02.240 women couldn't speak to this Syrian refugee.

00:21:04.120 Right.

00:21:04.420 He hated women, yeah?

00:21:05.960 He was...

00:21:06.360 I say, what was he like?

00:21:07.400 He was aggressive.

00:21:08.240 And do you know, I asked the teachers the same questions.

00:21:10.360 What was Jamal like?

00:21:11.820 And what was Bailey, the English racist bully?

00:21:15.580 And whenever I mentioned Bailey's name,

00:21:17.100 they said, oh, what a beautiful boy.

00:21:18.300 Yeah, right.

00:21:18.800 Really nice kid.

00:21:20.000 Now, some people understand the story of why I couldn't back down anyway, yeah?

00:21:24.300 Is when I went, when this story blew up into national news,

00:21:27.160 international news,

00:21:28.080 I went to meet the family, the English boy,

00:21:30.660 and I went to a hotel and I met the mum.

00:21:32.940 They were hiding in the hotel because the police, you're right,

00:21:36.280 were putting them in a hostile Islamic area in some hotel.

00:21:39.560 So when I met the mum, she was crying her eyes out.

00:21:41.360 She said, I've spent all my Christmas money, Tommy.

00:21:43.180 I've got no Christmas money for the kids.

00:21:44.860 I've been here for a week hiding.

00:21:46.580 We don't know what to do.

00:21:47.480 She had two nine-year-old little girls with her twins,

00:21:50.680 two mixed-race little girls with Bailey's little sisters.

00:21:54.220 Oh, yes, right.

00:21:55.240 That's important.

00:21:55.980 Yeah, it's because they're calling them a racist family.

00:21:58.040 So I said to the family, I said,

00:22:00.240 okay, I've got, come and stay with me, yeah,

00:22:03.440 till we sort this out.

00:22:04.820 So I come back up the next day and we go to the house.

00:22:07.940 Now, at the time when this blew up onto national news,

00:22:10.620 their address was put out.

00:22:12.020 And when their address was put out,

00:22:13.760 gangs had turned up,

00:22:14.640 which I wear, again, to prove to the public

00:22:16.740 that it's not my allegation of this,

00:22:18.400 I go and knock on the neighbours' doors

00:22:19.820 and say, what was it like?

00:22:21.300 And they say, cars of Muslim men were turning up here,

00:22:24.160 saying they're going to rape the sisters,

00:22:25.660 they're raping the mum.

00:22:27.420 And then the family at the time barricaded themselves.

00:22:29.760 So the two little sisters and the mum

00:22:30.940 barricaded themselves inside their door.

00:22:33.040 Now, when I went to move their stuff the next day,

00:22:34.780 the family wouldn't come back to the house.

00:22:36.060 They were too scared.

00:22:36.920 I said, right, we'll go with men to your property

00:22:39.020 and get you all your belongings, yeah?

00:22:40.360 Because the Christmas presents were under the tree.

00:22:42.720 So that's what the mum was like.

00:22:43.560 My Christmas presents were under the tree.

00:22:45.200 All the kids' stuff said,

00:22:46.360 when I got there,

00:22:47.060 we couldn't get in the bedroom door.

00:22:48.700 The bedroom door was only this much open, yeah?

00:22:50.660 Where the family,

00:22:51.940 this is to understand what the family had had to go through.

00:22:54.460 They'd had to barricade themselves in

00:22:56.260 as gangs of Muslims were outside,

00:22:58.360 attempting to get in the house

00:22:59.560 because the boy poured a bottle of water over him.

00:23:02.060 And not just the boy poured a bottle of water over him,

00:23:04.360 but every single,

00:23:05.700 Piers Morgan, Jeremy Vine,

00:23:07.400 the biggest commentators in our country,

00:23:09.660 demanded severe retribution,

00:23:11.440 that's their words,

00:23:12.980 against this child.

00:23:14.080 He was a child.

00:23:14.980 So even if he had-

00:23:15.500 And you said he'd poured-

00:23:17.080 Wasn't Bailey responding to something

00:23:20.160 that Jamal had done when he poured the water?

00:23:21.980 So what I said originally

00:23:23.780 was that Jamal had threatened to stab Bailey.

00:23:25.900 That was my allegation

00:23:26.760 because that's what Bailey had told me.

00:23:28.320 When we go to the teacher's houses,

00:23:30.080 one that I had her under posh teacher

00:23:32.020 because she spoke very well,

00:23:33.620 she said,

00:23:34.200 you do know,

00:23:35.080 and this is all on the documentary,

00:23:36.460 you do know he threatened to rape

00:23:37.920 Bailey's little nine-year-old sisters,

00:23:39.400 don't you, yeah?

00:23:40.440 So when you see the boy

00:23:41.560 pouring a bottle of water over him

00:23:42.700 in the playground,

00:23:43.420 he doesn't physically beat him up.

00:23:44.600 No.

00:23:45.260 Pours a bottle of water over him.

00:23:46.600 You don't get any backstory.

00:23:48.100 And although all the teachers knew the backstory,

00:23:50.920 yeah?

00:23:51.160 One of the teachers,

00:23:52.040 I knocked on her door,

00:23:52.620 and I'm so gutted

00:23:53.180 because there was a teacher who knew Bailey,

00:23:55.040 and when I knocked on her door,

00:23:55.780 she just got on her knees crying.

00:23:57.120 Oh, dear.

00:23:57.780 She just felt her knees crying.

00:23:59.060 And I know why she felt her knees crying.

00:24:00.760 That's guilt, yeah?

00:24:01.980 And every one of those teachers,

00:24:03.200 the head teacher had a breakdown.

00:24:05.180 The head teacher's life was a breakdown.

00:24:06.940 And the sad story was I spoke to other pupils

00:24:09.400 because I spoke to so many people.

00:24:11.140 Another pupil who had serious mental health issues,

00:24:13.480 always self-harming.

00:24:14.840 When I met him, he said,

00:24:15.840 you see, if it wasn't for that head teacher,

00:24:17.060 I'd be dead now.

00:24:18.120 I wouldn't have survived my school time

00:24:19.720 without that head teacher.

00:24:20.920 That head teacher saved my life on many occasions,

00:24:23.500 the fact that I could go and talk to him, yeah?

00:24:25.700 So this head teacher was a brilliant man

00:24:28.180 from everyone I spoke to.

00:24:30.080 They threw him under the bus.

00:24:31.640 They closed the school down.

00:24:33.080 So to get rid of this problem...

00:24:33.940 They closed the school.

00:24:35.240 They closed the school.

00:24:35.920 Amazing.

00:24:36.240 The school was gone.

00:24:37.060 So I still want to know a little bit more about...

00:24:39.460 Well, the contempt issue...

00:24:40.420 So the contempt issue is...

00:24:41.540 So I went to court and five pupils who I don't know

00:24:45.620 came to court and testified.

00:24:48.500 Now, one of those pupils got A grade

00:24:51.620 is the best you can get in school.

00:24:52.820 So one of those pupils got 11 A's, yeah?

00:24:54.940 A young girl called Charlie, okay?

00:24:56.860 Her life's been destroyed through this as well.

00:24:58.280 This is what I'm so angry about, yeah?

00:24:59.720 This isn't about saying I lied.

00:25:01.960 You've said these children lied, yeah?

00:25:03.400 That's what the judge has done.

00:25:04.220 Yeah, right.

00:25:04.720 So what he'd done, this pupil come to court,

00:25:07.000 she gave testimony that the Syrian boy,

00:25:10.060 within a week of being in school,

00:25:11.260 beat her up with a hockey stick, yeah?

00:25:13.140 And she still had...

00:25:13.680 Hit her in the back.

00:25:14.080 Hit her in the back with a hockey stick.

00:25:15.600 Another boy come to court and testified

00:25:16.960 that he witnessed it, yeah?

00:25:18.500 Another girl come to court and testified

00:25:19.940 that he spat in her face and attacked her.

00:25:21.740 Another boy come to court and said

00:25:22.920 he racially abused her mum.

00:25:24.060 But this is the...

00:25:25.480 You said the journalists left...

00:25:27.220 They left court.

00:25:28.020 ...before that happened.

00:25:28.920 So what they...

00:25:29.380 And then the judge said

00:25:30.460 that all those people were lying

00:25:31.680 and said that people have all sorts of reasons to lie.

00:25:34.540 They just make things...

00:25:35.640 So basically,

00:25:36.600 as the Syrian refugee was given evidence,

00:25:39.160 the media was sitting there

00:25:40.220 and headlines were going everywhere

00:25:41.480 about how scared he was with my video, yeah?

00:25:43.880 And how he was intimidated

00:25:45.740 and his family were in danger.

00:25:47.980 We find out from the police records

00:25:49.580 there were no threats, yeah?

00:25:50.880 But this is how them...

00:25:52.140 And then when it got to the first of our witnesses,

00:25:54.420 which is five pupils, you know,

00:25:56.160 when it got to the witnesses,

00:25:57.200 I mean, I watched the media

00:25:58.740 get up and walk out of court

00:25:59.820 and I sat there looking at the judge.

00:26:01.420 So they walked out of court.

00:26:02.600 So as each one of these witnesses gave evidence,

00:26:05.080 then not one single thing

00:26:06.280 got portrayed to the British public.

00:26:07.720 So the public were told nothing

00:26:09.180 of what the allegations were.

00:26:11.500 Again.

00:26:12.140 It's a total...

00:26:13.040 And I sat there and I said to the judge,

00:26:14.400 how...

00:26:14.960 Where have they gone?

00:26:16.040 There's another news story.

00:26:16.900 I said, so no one's reporting this.

00:26:18.540 No one's...

00:26:18.940 And then what the judge done,

00:26:20.300 I then produced seven covert recordings.

00:26:22.740 Now the covert recordings,

00:26:24.280 proved that the council,

00:26:26.760 because the headteacher was paid,

00:26:28.400 this teacher was paid,

00:26:29.340 and they all said they were paid, yeah?

00:26:31.040 And they all say they were paid

00:26:32.440 to prevent them telling the truth

00:26:33.960 about this situation.

00:26:35.480 So whilst they're telling everyone I lied,

00:26:37.660 no one was free to tell the truth

00:26:38.980 because they've signed

00:26:39.700 financial non-disclosure agreements.

00:26:41.380 So in the documentary,

00:26:42.340 we put in an application

00:26:44.180 to the local council,

00:26:45.500 controlled by Shabir Pandur,

00:26:47.480 Mufti Pandur,

00:26:48.840 and we ask,

00:26:49.800 how much have you spent

00:26:50.540 on non-disclosure agreements?

00:26:51.360 Right, right.

00:26:51.940 They spent £274,000

00:26:53.520 buying the silence

00:26:54.640 of their employees.

00:26:55.760 So they, from there...

00:26:57.040 What do you make of the...

00:26:58.400 Who's the judge?

00:26:59.780 And what can you say

00:27:01.300 about what you make of him?

00:27:02.680 Well, I actually should...

00:27:04.460 I'm not allowed to say anything.

00:27:06.260 So even though I'm sitting here talking,

00:27:07.620 yeah?

00:27:08.320 I have been bound and gagged

00:27:10.580 and this film that I made...

00:27:12.360 So when I produced

00:27:13.140 all the covert recordings,

00:27:14.160 I'm sitting there thinking,

00:27:14.940 your entire case is gone, yeah?

00:27:17.100 This was a set-up,

00:27:18.180 it was fake,

00:27:18.840 it was fraudulent,

00:27:19.900 it's all a lie, yeah?

00:27:21.220 And then on the school records,

00:27:22.380 remember,

00:27:23.200 to find me in defamation,

00:27:24.900 I said he threatened

00:27:25.620 to stab someone.

00:27:26.540 So then I produced

00:27:27.280 a school record from his teacher

00:27:28.480 that says he stabbed someone.

00:27:30.400 Then I go to the boy's house

00:27:31.600 who he stabbed

00:27:32.100 and get the boy and his mum

00:27:33.340 on camera,

00:27:34.080 covertly, yeah?

00:27:35.520 Saying that he stabbed him

00:27:37.420 and drew blood, yeah?

00:27:38.540 He stabbed five pupils that day,

00:27:39.960 according to these pupils, yeah?

00:27:41.420 Five.

00:27:42.860 Five.

00:27:43.500 But he was portrayed

00:27:45.040 to the entire country

00:27:46.100 as a perfect little

00:27:47.340 poor Syrian refugee

00:27:49.900 who had been racially bullied.

00:27:51.180 Now, I'm not having a go

00:27:52.080 at the Syrian refugee here either

00:27:53.260 because he was 15 years old,

00:27:54.680 he was a child,

00:27:55.400 he'd come from a war zone,

00:27:56.700 he had his problems, yeah?

00:27:58.380 What the problem is here

00:27:59.580 is the total deception

00:28:01.000 to the entire world

00:28:02.640 to push a narrative

00:28:04.320 by a government, yeah?

00:28:06.000 The narrative,

00:28:06.820 open border immigration,

00:28:07.880 the narrative,

00:28:08.580 white English racists.

00:28:10.020 They said the school was racist.

00:28:11.640 So even in the documentary,

00:28:13.260 I go and find

00:28:13.960 other Syrian refugees

00:28:14.880 at the school

00:28:15.780 and I knock on their doors

00:28:17.160 and say,

00:28:17.700 how have you found it living here?

00:28:19.160 And the girl says,

00:28:20.460 I found it brilliant.

00:28:21.400 Everyone's been so welcoming to us, yeah?

00:28:23.300 So it was a total misrepresentation

00:28:25.520 to the public.

00:28:26.480 Now, when I show the judge

00:28:27.420 all of these recordings,

00:28:29.160 what he does

00:28:29.860 is he writes down

00:28:31.260 everything he saw.

00:28:32.600 So every allegation

00:28:33.500 that the women made,

00:28:35.040 but their case was backed

00:28:37.940 by the fact

00:28:38.780 that the mother

00:28:39.920 who went out publicly

00:28:41.500 and said Jamal attacked her daughter,

00:28:43.460 the mother that sent me pictures

00:28:44.800 of her daughter's injuries,

00:28:46.220 that mother retracted her statement,

00:28:48.160 yeah?

00:28:48.480 Which she did.

00:28:49.580 I knock on her door

00:28:50.560 with a hidden camera

00:28:51.600 and just say,

00:28:52.820 look,

00:28:52.940 I'm just trying to understand

00:28:53.780 what's going on

00:28:54.380 and she says,

00:28:54.940 Tommy,

00:28:55.340 they're threatened to rape us,

00:28:57.100 yeah?

00:28:58.040 I said,

00:28:58.420 okay,

00:28:58.760 she says,

00:28:59.100 I've got to live here,

00:28:59.800 Tommy,

00:29:00.060 with my daughters,

00:29:00.980 yeah?

00:29:01.740 And this is the city

00:29:02.700 with the biggest Muslim rape gangs,

00:29:04.080 yeah?

00:29:04.480 So she's terrified.

00:29:05.560 So I said,

00:29:05.860 okay,

00:29:06.080 I'm not angry with you,

00:29:06.960 yeah?

00:29:07.300 Because they're ruining my life

00:29:08.560 because of this,

00:29:09.120 because they're saying,

00:29:09.800 they're telling the world

00:29:10.640 I lied when I didn't.

00:29:12.020 So she says,

00:29:12.580 okay,

00:29:13.120 and I said,

00:29:13.560 but what I need to ask you

00:29:14.640 is just,

00:29:15.400 was Jamal involved

00:29:16.660 in the attack

00:29:17.340 against your daughter?

00:29:18.360 She says,

00:29:18.740 yes,

00:29:19.000 of course he was.

00:29:20.080 So,

00:29:20.360 okay,

00:29:20.540 so it was the truth.

00:29:21.580 So I produced this

00:29:22.520 to the judge

00:29:22.960 to say,

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00:30:32.260 A retraction statement,

00:30:34.200 but here's why you've got

00:30:35.080 a retraction statement,

00:30:36.060 yeah?

00:30:36.500 And here's the school records.

00:30:38.520 In the school records

00:30:39.440 in minutes from a meeting,

00:30:41.300 yeah?

00:30:41.640 Which they tried to block us

00:30:42.780 getting the school records as well.

00:30:44.120 In the school records

00:30:45.020 from the minutes from the meeting,

00:30:46.400 Jamal's father,

00:30:47.280 his name's Jihad,

00:30:48.260 yeah?

00:30:48.460 I know,

00:30:49.180 I can't believe that.

00:30:50.040 Jamal's father,

00:30:50.620 Jihad,

00:30:50.920 in all the council records,

00:30:53.240 they say that his family

00:30:54.260 were trying to manipulate

00:30:55.340 the situation

00:30:56.160 for their own benefit.

00:30:57.580 Jamal had his own caseworker

00:30:58.980 who in the emails

00:31:00.280 says Jamal is not

00:31:01.280 the innocent party

00:31:02.000 that's being portrayed here,

00:31:03.360 yeah?

00:31:03.560 That's his own caseworker.

00:31:05.280 There was not one single person

00:31:06.480 that went to court

00:31:07.060 and gave any evidence

00:31:07.940 for Jamal,

00:31:08.820 yeah?

00:31:08.960 It was literally

00:31:10.100 seven teachers,

00:31:12.060 five pupils.

00:31:13.360 The A grade pupil,

00:31:15.500 I read out

00:31:16.160 in her school record,

00:31:19.540 what it says

00:31:20.160 is that she is the only pupil

00:31:21.780 in the school

00:31:22.300 to have zero negatives,

00:31:23.880 yeah?

00:31:24.220 Yeah.

00:31:25.200 She's a perfect grade A student.

00:31:26.840 At the time of this court case,

00:31:28.460 she's at university

00:31:29.200 studying law.

00:31:30.420 Why would she come to court

00:31:31.760 and lie,

00:31:32.360 yeah?

00:31:32.740 But the judge

00:31:33.540 listed everything

00:31:35.240 that's in the documentary,

00:31:36.060 and then gave me a,

00:31:37.980 ruled against me,

00:31:39.140 bankrupt me for 1.6 million pounds,

00:31:40.920 yeah?

00:31:41.260 Which is what this was about.

00:31:42.440 So people understand,

00:31:44.040 Kate,

00:31:44.300 I don't know if you know

00:31:44.820 Katie Hopkins in the UK,

00:31:46.620 they took,

00:31:47.180 I ran Katie before this case

00:31:48.620 because I knew

00:31:49.540 they took her house,

00:31:51.080 they took her family home,

00:31:52.060 they put her through the courts

00:31:52.960 and they seized her home

00:31:53.760 and I said,

00:31:54.720 Katie,

00:31:55.460 I'm facing,

00:31:56.060 she said,

00:31:56.380 Tommy,

00:31:56.860 do an agreement,

00:31:57.840 I'm telling you,

00:31:58.340 you can't win,

00:31:59.180 you cannot win this,

00:32:00.100 yeah?

00:32:00.660 I said,

00:32:01.160 I can't do an agreement,

00:32:01.980 I can't do it to the kid

00:32:03.140 who was living with me,

00:32:04.200 the English kid,

00:32:04.720 he tried to kill himself

00:32:05.500 as well,

00:32:06.460 tried to commit suicide,

00:32:07.480 I said,

00:32:07.720 I can't say that he,

00:32:09.140 that this is all,

00:32:09.780 I can't do it.

00:32:11.020 I said,

00:32:11.300 so I can't come to an agreement

00:32:12.340 with them,

00:32:12.700 I just can't,

00:32:13.200 I can't principally do it

00:32:14.380 when I have reported the truth

00:32:15.940 and I'm not backing down on that.

00:32:17.640 So she said,

00:32:18.160 well,

00:32:18.240 they can do what they want

00:32:18.860 because when they,

00:32:19.620 that made me bankrupt,

00:32:20.780 when they took my house,

00:32:22.460 they,

00:32:22.800 my new husband,

00:32:23.700 who had savings

00:32:24.560 from his previous marriage,

00:32:26.640 they took that.

00:32:27.840 She said,

00:32:28.200 they're going to clean you out.

00:32:29.660 So I had that advice

00:32:30.720 very early on

00:32:31.340 but I went through

00:32:31.980 and she was 100% right,

00:32:33.160 they could do what they want

00:32:33.640 and they bankrupt me

00:32:34.660 to the tune of 1.6 million pounds.

00:32:36.780 When they bankrupt me,

00:32:37.980 they then gave me an injunction

00:32:39.300 and when the judge

00:32:40.400 gave me an injunction in court,

00:32:42.100 I said,

00:32:42.500 when he mentioned it,

00:32:43.300 I said,

00:32:43.740 the film's already made,

00:32:45.360 yeah,

00:32:45.780 because I'd already made the film.

00:32:46.740 They knew I had a film

00:32:47.600 because I'd put out promos

00:32:48.840 before the court case

00:32:49.880 to,

00:32:50.880 and the whole,

00:32:51.720 the public are going to see

00:32:52.740 the truth of this case,

00:32:53.760 yeah.

00:32:54.320 Every,

00:32:54.980 again,

00:32:55.520 in the,

00:32:55.780 the film is not opinion based,

00:32:57.920 it's fact based,

00:32:59.120 it's school records,

00:33:00.200 it's,

00:33:00.560 When are you going to release it?

00:33:01.800 So I'm not,

00:33:02.340 so basically,

00:33:03.440 since I've been here,

00:33:04.220 the film was played

00:33:05.420 in America two years ago

00:33:06.460 in a,

00:33:07.840 in a cinema in Florida.

00:33:09.660 General Flynn was there,

00:33:11.040 he gave his account

00:33:12.040 of what he watched,

00:33:12.880 he said,

00:33:13.160 it's unbelievable

00:33:13.720 what I've just watched

00:33:14.600 because what people

00:33:15.840 need to understand is,

00:33:16.460 you see what they've done to me

00:33:17.440 is exactly the same lawfare

00:33:19.660 that's going on

00:33:20.560 across the whole Western world

00:33:21.860 to anyone who raises their voice.

00:33:24.000 What I managed to do

00:33:25.060 is document

00:33:25.840 every single part of it

00:33:27.060 and show

00:33:27.880 what I call

00:33:28.600 the unholy alliance,

00:33:29.780 the alliance together

00:33:30.720 of the judiciary,

00:33:32.080 of far left organisations,

00:33:33.260 Muslim organisations,

00:33:34.580 all working together

00:33:36.200 to control the narrative

00:33:37.860 and I was challenging

00:33:39.000 the narrative

00:33:39.460 and that's why

00:33:40.000 I had to be punished

00:33:41.000 but the judge gives

00:33:42.000 an injunction

00:33:42.540 where he listed everything

00:33:43.800 in the film

00:33:44.540 and basically said

00:33:45.860 if the public ever see this,

00:33:47.500 you get two years in jail.

00:33:49.200 So I,

00:33:49.600 and if I'm honest,

00:33:50.720 there's the contempt.

00:33:51.320 That's the contempt.

00:33:52.440 And when I come out of court,

00:33:53.720 I failed.

00:33:54.660 I totally failed

00:33:55.600 in myself,

00:33:56.840 in myself as a journalist

00:33:58.380 because since the start

00:34:00.600 of my activism,

00:34:01.260 which I'll get to,

00:34:02.420 it was in 2009,

00:34:04.120 I've said,

00:34:04.880 if you worry about consequence,

00:34:06.160 you will never ever

00:34:06.880 bring about change.

00:34:07.940 You won't bring about change.

00:34:08.900 I wouldn't walk out

00:34:09.420 my front door if I were,

00:34:10.100 I wouldn't come to Canada

00:34:10.860 if I was worrying about consequence,

00:34:12.340 getting sort of torn down

00:34:13.700 by a communist government

00:34:14.460 but if you worry about consequence,

00:34:16.640 you won't bring about change.

00:34:17.580 An incompetent communist government.

00:34:19.660 An incompetent communist government.

00:34:20.360 You better be precise.

00:34:21.640 Yeah, yeah.

00:34:22.280 You should probably throw

00:34:23.340 a bit of malevolence,

00:34:24.440 wounded narcissism,

00:34:25.820 malevolence in it too,

00:34:27.200 you know,

00:34:27.480 just for the icing.

00:34:28.760 But so,

00:34:29.200 so I,

00:34:30.340 but when I come out of court

00:34:31.780 that day with the injunction,

00:34:33.960 I was scared,

00:34:35.220 I was scared,

00:34:36.180 in all honesty.

00:34:37.300 I've been in prison

00:34:38.300 multiple times

00:34:39.340 to do my work.

00:34:41.160 I spent a year,

00:34:42.300 I've done a year

00:34:42.860 of solitary confinement

00:34:43.580 which damaged me,

00:34:44.640 which was totally damaged me.

00:34:45.960 I went into prison

00:34:46.560 with one person

00:34:47.060 and come out of another.

00:34:47.580 Yeah.

00:34:48.600 And I,

00:34:49.240 so at that time,

00:34:50.580 and it also damaged my family.

00:34:51.920 So at that time,

00:34:53.560 I didn't play the film.

00:34:56.620 Right.

00:34:59.600 So this is interesting,

00:35:00.980 I think.

00:35:01.460 I should have played the film.

00:35:02.700 These are adult,

00:35:03.520 these are adult problems

00:35:04.840 that haven't been dealt with

00:35:06.440 because people aren't allowed

00:35:07.660 to speak

00:35:08.360 and now children

00:35:09.440 are at the brunt of it.

00:35:11.720 Do you know,

00:35:11.920 they ruined that whole,

00:35:12.840 so that school was closed down.

00:35:14.180 The collateral damage

00:35:15.520 in the government's lie

00:35:17.580 because that's what it is,

00:35:18.860 a total lie.

00:35:19.700 Yeah.

00:35:19.940 The collateral damage,

00:35:21.100 that young English kid

00:35:22.100 is still suicidal.

00:35:23.940 Right.

00:35:24.060 I talk to him every day,

00:35:25.160 yeah.

00:35:25.560 As I said,

00:35:26.120 he lived with me

00:35:26.540 for three years.

00:35:27.480 Right.

00:35:27.780 Think he'd do a podcast?

00:35:29.600 Yeah, he would.

00:35:30.720 Do you want to ask him?

00:35:31.600 Yeah, he would do it, man.

00:35:32.560 And do you know,

00:35:32.900 you've got to hear

00:35:33.400 what he'd done to his life.

00:35:34.860 You've got to see

00:35:35.340 what he'd done to his life.

00:35:35.780 Hey, let's talk to him.

00:35:37.240 Talk to him.

00:35:37.860 Yep.

00:35:38.320 Talk to him.

00:35:38.800 Okay.

00:35:39.400 He's a lovely young man.

00:35:40.680 You know,

00:35:40.940 he had a difficult upbringing.

00:35:42.360 He had a difficult upbringing

00:35:43.460 and from the background

00:35:44.400 he's from

00:35:44.900 and the upbringing he had

00:35:45.820 of poverty

00:35:46.360 and in a real rough environment,

00:35:48.620 he is a very nice kid.

00:35:51.220 And so,

00:35:52.680 and look,

00:35:53.300 my son's 15.

00:35:54.540 It happened to him

00:35:55.140 when he was 15.

00:35:56.380 Right.

00:35:56.840 Right.

00:35:56.980 How well turned on him.

00:35:58.700 How well turned on him, man.

00:35:59.960 And even now,

00:36:00.600 he's still bearing

00:36:02.100 the brunt of it now

00:36:02.920 because he lived with me

00:36:04.280 until this case.

00:36:06.580 When this case finished,

00:36:07.320 I left the UK.

00:36:08.400 Now, when I left the UK,

00:36:09.940 he left living with us

00:36:11.520 and he's gone back up

00:36:12.500 to his hometown

00:36:13.540 where he's still facing problems.

00:36:15.060 Oh, yeah.

00:36:15.600 From this lie.

00:36:16.780 The thing is,

00:36:17.960 I should have played the film.

00:36:19.660 I should have just played the film

00:36:20.700 and I didn't play the film

00:36:21.880 because I,

00:36:22.640 for the first time,

00:36:23.320 worried about consequence.

00:36:24.180 I was,

00:36:25.760 I should have played the film,

00:36:26.960 man.

00:36:27.040 It's kept me up for years.

00:36:28.400 And the film was never played,

00:36:30.160 but it was played in America.

00:36:31.320 Two years ago, yeah.

00:36:32.420 Two years ago,

00:36:33.020 it was played in America.

00:36:34.220 Now,

00:36:34.780 they've come for me.

00:36:35.540 Why have they come for me now?

00:36:36.880 I held a rally

00:36:38.180 on the 1st of June.

00:36:40.180 No,

00:36:40.440 I come back to,

00:36:41.320 so I'd stayed out of the UK

00:36:42.480 for a year

00:36:43.040 since,

00:36:44.080 with all of this.

00:36:45.980 And I stopped.

00:36:47.100 I wasn't in a great place either.

00:36:48.880 And

00:36:49.220 then I come back.

00:36:51.100 I think Elon Musk,

00:36:52.280 Elon Musk gave me back my account.

00:36:54.500 Now,

00:36:55.380 my activism

00:36:56.060 and my journalism

00:36:56.800 took me,

00:36:57.920 in 2015,

00:36:59.500 if I go,

00:37:00.360 I started my activism

00:37:01.620 in 2009,

00:37:02.860 yeah?

00:37:03.300 So I'll give a brief history

00:37:04.180 to my work.

00:37:04.720 Yeah,

00:37:05.060 do that.

00:37:05.480 I was born in,

00:37:06.040 I was born in Luton in 1982.

00:37:07.820 Luton's a town

00:37:08.480 that's 30 miles

00:37:09.400 north of London.

00:37:10.360 When I was born in 1982,

00:37:11.380 there was one mosque.

00:37:12.600 There's now 45 mosques,

00:37:13.880 okay?

00:37:14.320 How big is Luton?

00:37:15.340 It's 200,000 population.

00:37:16.880 And how many mosques?

00:37:17.920 45.

00:37:18.960 Okay.

00:37:19.180 45.

00:37:19.860 Luton was named by the CIA

00:37:21.180 as the epicentre

00:37:22.140 for terrorist activities

00:37:23.080 across Europe.

00:37:24.120 The fertiliser bomb plot

00:37:25.160 was planned in Luton.

00:37:26.440 The 7-7 attacks,

00:37:28.220 they got their bombs in Luton.

00:37:29.740 The Stockholm bomber

00:37:31.180 was radicalised in Luton.

00:37:33.260 Terrorist attack

00:37:33.960 after terrorist attack

00:37:34.840 has orchestrated

00:37:35.500 and come from Luton.

00:37:36.380 Now,

00:37:36.700 growing up in Luton,

00:37:38.120 as I said,

00:37:38.820 when I was born,

00:37:39.760 I've seen all of this,

00:37:41.060 yeah?

00:37:41.540 Al-Majraddine,

00:37:42.500 you know,

00:37:42.700 Omar Bakri,

00:37:43.400 Abu Hamzar,

00:37:44.580 the two,

00:37:45.200 their head office,

00:37:45.960 they used to have

00:37:46.580 an organisation called

00:37:47.420 Al-Majraddine.

00:37:48.260 Who were not a person,

00:37:49.380 they're now a prescribed

00:37:50.100 terrorist organisation

00:37:50.800 but they never were.

00:37:51.880 Their head office

00:37:52.540 was in Biscuit Mill

00:37:53.420 in my hometown.

00:37:54.800 So growing up,

00:37:55.760 I had a very life lesson

00:37:58.340 of the influence

00:37:59.500 of Islamist ideology

00:38:00.680 and what it can do

00:38:01.860 to freedom.

00:38:02.880 Also,

00:38:03.520 the grooming gangs,

00:38:04.400 which is something

00:38:04.760 we'll get on to.

00:38:05.600 So my cousin

00:38:06.140 was a victim at 14.

00:38:07.660 She was hooked on heroin

00:38:09.160 and raped.

00:38:10.440 She woke up

00:38:11.780 being raped

00:38:12.300 by gangs

00:38:13.020 of bearded men

00:38:14.200 in the Muslim community.

00:38:16.000 She run naked

00:38:16.580 through the streets.

00:38:17.760 Now what the police

00:38:18.420 done at the time

00:38:18.920 is nothing.

00:38:19.820 So I grew up

00:38:20.700 watching...

00:38:21.240 How old were you

00:38:21.840 when that happened?

00:38:22.620 I would have been 13.

00:38:24.320 So she was 14.

00:38:26.660 So as all this

00:38:27.220 is happening

00:38:27.620 and just so people get,

00:38:29.320 Luton is one of the most

00:38:30.380 diverse towns

00:38:31.560 in Great Britain.

00:38:32.520 One of the most

00:38:33.300 diverse towns

00:38:33.940 in Europe.

00:38:35.020 So white English

00:38:36.400 are a minority.

00:38:37.800 Most of the people

00:38:38.420 I love are not white

00:38:39.200 because I've been

00:38:39.900 brought up

00:38:40.200 in this community.

00:38:41.100 So as I've been

00:38:42.740 brought up

00:38:43.180 in our school playground

00:38:44.360 when I went to school

00:38:46.460 you had the Muslim

00:38:47.480 playground

00:38:47.860 and the non-Muslim

00:38:49.140 playground.

00:38:50.520 So I had a very

00:38:51.440 quick learning

00:38:52.160 and then when you go

00:38:53.100 into the school...

00:38:53.360 Why were they

00:38:54.180 segregated?

00:38:54.880 Well they segregated

00:38:56.340 themselves.

00:38:57.000 The Muslims

00:38:57.380 did not integrate

00:38:58.420 or assimilate.

00:38:59.160 So when you go

00:38:59.580 into the school

00:39:00.000 dinner table

00:39:00.520 just so people

00:39:01.060 can picture it

00:39:01.680 you'll have whites

00:39:02.640 sitting with blacks

00:39:03.280 sitting with Indians

00:39:03.920 sitting with Sikhs

00:39:04.620 sitting with Hindus

00:39:05.040 all sitting together

00:39:05.900 and in the corner

00:39:06.900 there'll be 10 tables

00:39:07.680 of Muslims.

00:39:08.540 Now I never understood

00:39:09.560 it as a child.

00:39:11.020 It was from when

00:39:11.740 I went to high school

00:39:12.360 I just knew

00:39:12.880 the Pakistanis

00:39:13.800 are very different.

00:39:15.080 They're quite hostile.

00:39:16.480 If you mess with one

00:39:17.460 you've declared war

00:39:18.260 with the whole tribe.

00:39:19.980 There's not a fair fight.

00:39:21.360 There's never a one-on-one fight.

00:39:22.660 It's all gang related.

00:39:24.500 So I just grew up

00:39:25.580 learning it.

00:39:26.560 But that's not to say

00:39:27.620 because some of the best

00:39:28.540 people I've met

00:39:29.200 in my hometown

00:39:30.120 were Muslim lads.

00:39:31.020 Some of the people

00:39:31.520 I loved were Muslim lads.

00:39:33.460 But per se

00:39:34.140 there was a real problem here.

00:39:35.800 And I grew up

00:39:36.440 watching it

00:39:37.020 learning it

00:39:37.740 and Al-Majradin

00:39:39.040 my first activism

00:39:40.800 was in 2004.

00:39:42.220 I was

00:39:42.300 what was I doing?

00:39:43.620 20?

00:39:44.580 2004

00:39:44.980 I organised a protest

00:39:46.080 and this group

00:39:47.700 do you remember

00:39:48.680 the Beslem School Massacre?

00:39:50.620 No.

00:39:50.920 So Beslem School Massacre

00:39:52.260 was Chechnyan

00:39:53.340 Chechnyan terrorists

00:39:54.540 had took control

00:39:55.360 of a school

00:39:55.900 and this is coming again.

00:39:57.100 This is going to happen

00:39:57.800 to a Jewish school

00:39:58.440 I guarantee you.

00:39:59.620 They took control

00:40:00.300 of a school

00:40:00.780 when I was probably

00:40:01.440 20, 19 or so.

00:40:02.580 That was where?

00:40:03.600 This was in Chechnya

00:40:04.440 in Russia.

00:40:05.020 Yeah, okay.

00:40:05.640 I remember the story.

00:40:06.400 And what happened was

00:40:07.280 the parents

00:40:08.160 are all outside the school

00:40:09.020 and all the Muslim jihadists

00:40:10.700 are inside the school

00:40:11.360 with their pupils

00:40:12.000 with their children

00:40:12.680 and then they start

00:40:14.160 butchering them

00:40:14.620 and killing them

00:40:15.420 and I remember

00:40:16.220 watching the parents

00:40:16.980 drop to their knees

00:40:17.700 and they're screaming

00:40:18.340 and I remember

00:40:19.380 watching it thinking

00:40:20.200 what is this?

00:40:21.940 So this isn't one man

00:40:24.000 that's gone in

00:40:24.440 and done this.

00:40:25.360 This is a whole group

00:40:26.380 of people.

00:40:27.700 And then I had to understand

00:40:29.100 what brings someone

00:40:30.060 to do that.

00:40:31.280 And two weeks later

00:40:32.000 I saw an interview

00:40:33.000 in a chicken shop

00:40:33.860 in my hometown of Luton

00:40:35.120 with a man called

00:40:36.320 Saif Al-Islam

00:40:37.140 which translates

00:40:37.820 as Sword of Islam.

00:40:39.000 He was second in command

00:40:40.020 of Al-Madridin

00:40:41.100 the group

00:40:41.720 whose head office

00:40:42.920 is in my town.

00:40:43.880 And I saw him saying

00:40:44.860 an attack like that

00:40:46.120 would be justified

00:40:47.040 in a British school.

00:40:48.900 And that was my wake up.

00:40:50.200 I said who's this man?

00:40:51.440 And I looked him up.

00:40:52.260 Who's his group?

00:40:53.140 And I looked up

00:40:53.680 who they were

00:40:54.220 and then I looked up

00:40:54.840 Omar Bakri

00:40:55.440 and then I started

00:40:56.260 understanding their ideology

00:40:57.380 and trying to work out

00:40:58.720 and then for me

00:40:59.560 these are a danger.

00:41:01.420 So then I organised

00:41:02.560 and I looked

00:41:03.040 and they used to have

00:41:03.800 a stall set up

00:41:04.480 so we have a

00:41:05.260 Don Miller's bakery

00:41:06.720 a famous

00:41:07.100 it's like your Tim Hortons.

00:41:08.800 We have a bakery chain

00:41:09.860 in Luton Town Centre

00:41:10.660 and every Saturday

00:41:12.180 this terrorist group

00:41:13.180 are there

00:41:13.700 openly promoting hatred.

00:41:15.920 Just openly

00:41:16.640 sending people

00:41:17.620 to fight for the Taliban

00:41:18.600 recruiting people.

00:41:20.320 So the Stockholm bomber

00:41:21.820 who was an Iraqi Muslim

00:41:23.320 who'd come to university

00:41:24.260 in Luton

00:41:24.660 was a nice young man

00:41:26.180 till he'd come to Luton.

00:41:28.020 Then when you're vulnerable

00:41:29.700 at your most vulnerability

00:41:30.940 away from home

00:41:31.940 for the first time

00:41:32.700 in university

00:41:33.920 they pounce.

00:41:35.660 Yeah that's typical

00:41:36.540 cult behaviour.

00:41:37.500 So they pounce

00:41:38.420 and they got him

00:41:39.800 and then he went

00:41:40.780 and blew himself up.

00:41:41.840 So these groups

00:41:43.040 have been operating

00:41:43.500 so I organised a protest

00:41:44.600 called Ban the Luton Taliban.

00:41:45.660 Well I actually

00:41:47.560 I gave a presentation

00:41:48.760 at Oxford University.

00:41:49.480 When was that?

00:41:50.220 That was 2004.

00:41:51.620 So I gave a presentation

00:41:52.740 at Oxford University

00:41:53.560 because I made leaflets

00:41:54.620 and if you dig up

00:41:56.160 the leaflet

00:41:56.540 which I'd done

00:41:56.960 for my Oxford University

00:41:57.900 presentation in 2004

00:41:59.260 my rhetoric has never changed.

00:42:01.280 Okay?

00:42:01.580 So the leaflet

00:42:02.340 was put as front page

00:42:03.160 of our local newspaper

00:42:03.960 and what I said is

00:42:05.180 whites and blacks

00:42:06.500 are being religiously

00:42:07.500 and racially targeted

00:42:08.280 in this town.

00:42:09.040 Yeah?

00:42:09.340 No one's doing anything

00:42:10.060 about it.

00:42:10.800 There's a total

00:42:11.340 toothier policing operation

00:42:12.340 in this town

00:42:12.860 where they get away

00:42:14.040 with what they want.

00:42:14.720 The Islamic community

00:42:15.280 get away with what they want.

00:42:16.260 The police do not know

00:42:17.440 how to deal with these problems.

00:42:19.280 I went on to say

00:42:19.880 that they use drugs

00:42:20.820 as a weapon

00:42:21.380 against our community

00:42:22.360 to get our children

00:42:23.780 into paedophilic practices

00:42:25.100 which is what

00:42:26.560 is now known

00:42:27.240 as grooming.

00:42:28.400 Now when I made this

00:42:29.280 and I was a young man

00:42:30.720 and I organised it

00:42:32.200 with my friends.

00:42:32.760 We go to football together.

00:42:34.600 Luton's one of the most

00:42:35.640 voted the roughest town

00:42:37.920 in Great Britain.

00:42:38.720 It's a rough place.

00:42:40.380 But we went there.

00:42:40.720 What makes it rough?

00:42:41.340 They were hat makers.

00:42:43.220 We were hat makers.

00:42:43.940 What makes you rough?

00:42:44.700 That's all that mercury.

00:42:45.700 That's the history of it.

00:42:46.180 Oh, maybe.

00:42:46.800 Luton's a poverty-stricken town

00:42:49.020 with a lot of problems

00:42:50.020 regardless of Islam.

00:42:51.440 Luton has a lot of problems.

00:42:52.560 It's a rough environment.

00:42:53.740 The levels of violence

00:42:54.780 are as high

00:42:55.900 as anywhere in the UK.

00:42:57.460 But what you grow up

00:42:58.240 thinking is normal

00:42:58.880 actually isn't normal.

00:43:00.240 You grow up

00:43:01.000 with a level of violence

00:43:01.780 in your school

00:43:02.320 on your streets

00:43:03.020 or the way to solve things

00:43:04.280 is through violence.

00:43:05.740 It's a poor town, yeah?

00:43:07.320 So I organised this group.

00:43:09.560 So I organised this group.

00:43:13.460 About 200 of us turned up,

00:43:14.740 Englishmen.

00:43:16.000 And for the first time

00:43:16.820 it works,

00:43:17.440 the terrorist group

00:43:18.440 weren't there, yeah?

00:43:19.880 The jihadists

00:43:20.800 weren't there that day

00:43:21.680 because we were coming, yeah?

00:43:23.120 And the police locked it down.

00:43:24.280 But what happened

00:43:25.060 from that point...

00:43:25.900 The police...

00:43:26.800 Tell me what they did.

00:43:27.900 No, the police...

00:43:28.380 On this day,

00:43:29.000 the police turned up.

00:43:30.160 We went to Don Miller's.

00:43:31.720 The group weren't there.

00:43:32.840 We then stood,

00:43:33.500 held a little protest

00:43:34.260 at our council building

00:43:35.200 saying we need to get rid

00:43:36.140 of these terrorists, yeah?

00:43:37.000 This was before 7-7.

00:43:38.920 This was before any terrorist attacks

00:43:40.140 in Great Britain.

00:43:41.220 This was these...

00:43:42.400 The terrorist attacks we've seen

00:43:43.580 and the...

00:43:44.180 So 60% of the Muslims

00:43:45.440 in Great British prison,

00:43:46.760 in Great Britain's jails

00:43:47.820 are ex-members

00:43:48.980 of this group in Luton, yeah?

00:43:51.020 So...

00:43:51.380 Okay.

00:43:52.160 So you actually

00:43:52.900 had put your finger on them.

00:43:54.060 I put my finger on them

00:43:54.780 and I named in the leaflet...

00:43:56.500 What I named in the leaflet

00:43:57.440 was the link

00:43:58.240 between the street drug gangs

00:44:00.160 called the...

00:44:00.660 We have a gang

00:44:01.180 called the Gambinos.

00:44:02.120 They're not very original.

00:44:03.340 They're a Pakistani group

00:44:04.440 but they've called themselves

00:44:05.180 the Gambinos.

00:44:05.820 And three years,

00:44:07.260 four years later

00:44:07.800 the national newspaper...

00:44:08.820 So in 2004

00:44:09.600 I named them in my leaflet

00:44:11.660 and say we've had enough

00:44:12.860 of the gangs

00:44:13.420 with their heroin

00:44:14.340 and we've had enough

00:44:15.460 of the jihadists

00:44:16.980 all combining.

00:44:18.600 And what happened after this

00:44:19.660 was I was targeted

00:44:20.580 by the gangs,

00:44:21.920 not by the jihadists,

00:44:23.040 by the street level

00:44:24.100 drug gangs

00:44:24.820 who were drinking alcohol,

00:44:26.100 gambling.

00:44:26.540 They're not religious.

00:44:27.600 They're just out pumping heroin

00:44:28.800 and controlling the streets

00:44:30.080 and prostitution.

00:44:31.600 I was targeted by them.

00:44:33.720 Now years later

00:44:34.400 the national newspapers

00:44:35.320 run a link

00:44:36.040 showing the link

00:44:37.200 between the Gambinos,

00:44:38.160 they name them,

00:44:39.080 and terrorists.

00:44:40.620 They work alongside each other.

00:44:42.940 And at the time

00:44:43.860 the Luton Islamic Centre

00:44:45.180 which is the main mosque of Luton,

00:44:46.840 the main Salafist mosque of Luton,

00:44:50.920 it's the old synagogue.

00:44:53.060 Ironically,

00:44:53.620 before the Jews were driven out,

00:44:54.800 it's the old synagogue.

00:44:55.660 It's now...

00:44:55.960 Oh, really?

00:44:56.780 Yeah, convenient.

00:44:57.840 But Qadir Basque

00:44:58.740 was the leader of this mosque.

00:45:00.300 Now at the time

00:45:01.060 I then started looking

00:45:01.960 at this mosque

00:45:02.880 because my friends

00:45:03.560 who were Muslim

00:45:04.080 had said,

00:45:04.900 bruv,

00:45:05.180 that's the problem.

00:45:06.680 In this town

00:45:07.300 that's the problem, yeah?

00:45:08.400 So I went on their website

00:45:09.540 and I translated their website

00:45:10.840 and I found a seven-page

00:45:12.360 justification for women

00:45:13.500 to be lashed for adultery, yeah?

00:45:15.440 I found justification

00:45:16.280 for killing apostates.

00:45:17.940 This is on the main mosque, yeah?

00:45:19.920 So I translated it all

00:45:20.960 and then

00:45:21.660 basically I faced a backlash

00:45:23.460 from the Pakistani gangs

00:45:24.860 and I had problems then

00:45:26.520 but at this time

00:45:27.540 I'm being on it,

00:45:28.500 I was part of

00:45:29.420 a Luton football scene.

00:45:30.460 So I used to go football

00:45:32.040 with my friends.

00:45:33.180 The Saturday would be the day

00:45:35.020 that all the English lads

00:45:36.200 would come together

00:45:36.940 for Luton Town Football Club.

00:45:38.880 It was a cultural thing,

00:45:40.760 I guess.

00:45:41.420 I've never claimed

00:45:42.200 to be an angel either.

00:45:44.460 So I was part

00:45:45.400 of a football scene.

00:45:46.340 So we clashed then

00:45:48.140 with the drug gangs,

00:45:50.120 the Muslim drug gangs

00:45:51.180 and five years goes past.

00:45:53.820 By this point...

00:45:55.460 Do you think you did

00:45:56.300 something wrong there?

00:45:57.700 No, I didn't do anything.

00:45:58.940 I stood up against them.

00:45:59.960 I stood up against them

00:46:01.480 and at times

00:46:01.960 so I knew those gangs

00:46:03.320 because we're all the same age.

00:46:04.680 I went to school with them, yeah?

00:46:06.200 Stood up against them

00:46:07.140 and I remember when

00:46:07.960 they were getting

00:46:08.660 with one of my friend's

00:46:09.640 little sisters

00:46:10.200 and I rang the family

00:46:11.800 and said,

00:46:12.440 do not let her near them.

00:46:13.580 I'm telling you, yeah?

00:46:14.560 At the time,

00:46:15.000 don't let her near them.

00:46:15.980 I know what's going to happen.

00:46:17.320 And then I had all the gangs

00:46:18.480 having problems with me then

00:46:19.400 saying, what's going on?

00:46:20.580 Because I knew them.

00:46:21.640 What's going on?

00:46:22.600 I said,

00:46:23.240 you're not doing to her

00:46:24.040 what you do.

00:46:24.580 I know the family.

00:46:25.500 It's not happening.

00:46:26.120 The amount of girls I know

00:46:27.960 who lives have been destroyed

00:46:29.580 through these prostitution

00:46:30.960 drug gangs

00:46:31.440 and they start off

00:46:32.220 nice with the girls.

00:46:33.280 They get them in.

00:46:34.860 They treat them well.

00:46:36.060 They give them money.

00:46:36.840 These are 13-year-old children, yeah?

00:46:38.780 They give them drink.

00:46:39.920 They give them alcohol.

00:46:40.700 They'll drive them around

00:46:41.380 in their sports cars.

00:46:42.820 Gradually, gradually,

00:46:43.960 bang, they're gone.

00:46:44.780 The girl's gone, yeah?

00:46:46.020 The girl's gone.

00:46:47.000 And as I said,

00:46:47.580 when the family...

00:46:48.120 Is that when you became aware?

00:46:49.620 Of grooming.

00:46:50.360 Yeah, I've become aware

00:46:51.260 because my cousin

00:46:51.860 and all the other girls

00:46:52.880 went to school with.

00:46:53.440 But at the time,

00:46:54.320 we viewed them...

00:46:55.380 So at school,

00:46:56.580 the English kids,

00:46:57.280 we just viewed the girls

00:46:58.240 ourselves.

00:46:59.100 We viewed them wrong.

00:47:00.120 We viewed them as slags

00:47:00.980 because they're off

00:47:01.860 with all the Pakistani men,

00:47:03.340 the older men.

00:47:04.100 Right.

00:47:04.380 We were viewing them

00:47:05.040 as children

00:47:06.120 just looking and saying

00:47:07.340 what are they doing

00:47:07.780 with all the taxi drivers

00:47:08.680 and what...

00:47:09.920 They're going out

00:47:10.360 with all the older

00:47:11.180 Pakistani men.

00:47:12.060 I watched your video

00:47:13.800 about the woman now

00:47:15.320 who's older

00:47:15.880 who talked about...

00:47:17.120 The gangs.

00:47:17.660 The gangs when she was young

00:47:19.000 and she would get into a car

00:47:20.260 and lay down

00:47:20.900 so that her mum...

00:47:21.560 The hide when her mum's

00:47:22.520 in the car, yeah.

00:47:23.080 Yeah.

00:47:24.060 So all of these things

00:47:25.600 are going on, yeah.

00:47:26.900 But by this point,

00:47:27.980 we get to 2009.

00:47:29.320 When did you start

00:47:30.140 to understand

00:47:30.880 that your view

00:47:32.260 of the girls,

00:47:33.380 the view of the girls

00:47:34.160 that you had

00:47:34.740 when you were 15

00:47:35.660 or thereabouts,

00:47:36.780 when you were treating them

00:47:37.720 like sluts,

00:47:38.320 was wrong?

00:47:38.960 Yeah.

00:47:39.160 When did you figure that out?

00:47:40.320 When I become an adult.

00:47:41.460 When I become an adult

00:47:42.240 and started looking,

00:47:42.980 thinking,

00:47:43.540 and then when I...

00:47:44.320 So 2009...

00:47:46.180 So 2004,

00:47:47.360 I do this protest.

00:47:48.120 We have a backlash

00:47:48.660 from all the Pakistani

00:47:49.380 drug gangs.

00:47:50.740 We carry on,

00:47:51.600 we get through that.

00:47:53.760 I've grown up.

00:47:55.000 I've then,

00:47:55.440 by this point,

00:47:55.940 got two successful businesses

00:47:57.140 between me and my wife.

00:47:58.980 We had seven properties.

00:48:00.020 We were successful.

00:48:01.080 We were doing well in life, yeah?

00:48:03.120 And then 2009,

00:48:04.260 we have a soldiers

00:48:04.840 homecoming parade.

00:48:05.600 So they weren't out there at war.

00:48:07.680 It was the Royal Anglian Regiment,

00:48:09.060 which is our local regiment.

00:48:10.740 Now, Scott Muntridge

00:48:12.100 is 26 years old.

00:48:13.200 He's from the estate

00:48:14.440 I grew up in

00:48:15.120 when I was young

00:48:15.660 and he died.

00:48:17.700 Michael Swain was 19

00:48:18.860 and lost his legs.

00:48:20.680 When the soldiers...

00:48:21.600 I turned up on a Tuesday morning

00:48:23.140 with my cousin

00:48:23.680 and it wasn't well publicised,

00:48:25.200 but we turned up

00:48:25.680 to pay our respects.

00:48:26.500 And when I turned up,

00:48:27.760 I saw about 20 women

00:48:28.740 in full niqabs,

00:48:29.920 which is quite a sight

00:48:30.720 when you see them together.

00:48:32.080 And then I looked

00:48:32.840 and saw Saif Al-Islam,

00:48:33.940 the leader of this Islamic group.

00:48:35.840 The Sword of Islam.

00:48:37.320 I looked and saw him

00:48:38.080 and then I started

00:48:38.660 seeing more of them.

00:48:39.900 And then I saw police everywhere

00:48:41.020 and I'm thinking,

00:48:42.160 no way, yeah?

00:48:43.920 Something's going to go down here, yeah?

00:48:45.780 Then I saw the...

00:48:46.660 I watched this myself.

00:48:48.360 I watched as the police

00:48:49.340 took a group.

00:48:50.500 Now, what the...

00:48:51.100 Because some of our friends

00:48:52.620 got arrested at this event,

00:48:53.920 we got the intelligence.

00:48:55.040 Now, the police actually

00:48:56.080 on the motorways

00:48:56.840 stopped 360 other Muslims

00:48:58.940 coming into Luton that day, yeah?

00:49:00.680 So there was a full-on...

00:49:01.620 There was going to be

00:49:02.140 a full-on attack

00:49:02.820 against our armed forces

00:49:03.760 as they walked through the town.

00:49:05.540 But as they walked through the town,

00:49:07.420 I watched as the local...

00:49:08.620 Sorry, these were the armed forces

00:49:09.940 that had come back from...

00:49:10.840 Come back from Afghanistan or Iraq.

00:49:12.080 From Africa, okay.

00:49:12.580 Yeah, training.

00:49:13.520 They were training.

00:49:14.040 They weren't at war there.

00:49:14.900 I see.

00:49:15.420 Okay, okay.

00:49:16.320 So they had the freedom of the city

00:49:17.520 because they'd been away.

00:49:18.500 So then they come

00:49:19.120 to get their march

00:49:19.840 and the public can come out

00:49:20.680 and support them.

00:49:21.460 And it was all downplayed anyway.

00:49:22.680 It was on a Tuesday.

00:49:23.380 It wasn't publicized.

00:49:24.260 We knew it

00:49:24.660 because we know people

00:49:25.240 in the regiment.

00:49:26.220 So we've gone down that day

00:49:27.740 and then I watched the town hall.

00:49:29.160 Now, picture this.

00:49:30.260 This is our town hall.

00:49:31.520 Remember,

00:49:32.380 this group have all gone on

00:49:34.020 to be imprisoned for ISIS, yeah?

00:49:35.340 So, but that's who they were

00:49:36.560 at the time, yeah?

00:49:37.600 But no one knows who they are, really.

00:49:39.220 No one has the knowledge

00:49:39.960 of what these men are like.

00:49:41.400 We do because we're born there.

00:49:43.100 I've looked here.

00:49:43.760 I've researched them.

00:49:44.440 I know who they are.

00:49:45.320 I know the danger of this idea.

00:49:47.440 It's 2009.

00:49:48.220 I'm sitting there,

00:49:49.440 standing there

00:49:49.940 and I watched my police

00:49:51.000 walk them all

00:49:52.260 through the town hall.

00:49:53.260 They opened up our town hall doors

00:49:54.600 and walked them through.

00:49:55.900 I thought, what's going on there?

00:49:57.160 And then as the soldiers

00:49:58.120 are marching here,

00:49:58.940 then you just hear all commotion.

00:50:00.860 So I go running around

00:50:01.720 the back of the town hall.

00:50:02.880 They've took them

00:50:03.500 through the town hall

00:50:04.300 to stand.

00:50:05.560 As the soldiers walk here,

00:50:06.960 the Muslim group's here

00:50:07.900 and they're spitting

00:50:08.980 at the soldiers.

00:50:10.040 They spit in,

00:50:10.800 Scott Monbridge, who's dead,

00:50:11.880 they spit in his mum's face.

00:50:13.460 They spat in the families

00:50:14.780 and they're shouting,

00:50:15.560 And that's assault,

00:50:16.900 just to be straight about it.

00:50:17.780 Just to be straight.

00:50:18.460 Baby killers,

00:50:19.580 butchers of Basra,

00:50:20.320 this is what they're calling

00:50:20.880 the soldiers.

00:50:21.800 Now, my opinion of that war

00:50:23.580 has changed from back then

00:50:25.100 as well, yeah?

00:50:25.760 I believe it was

00:50:26.500 an illegal invasion.

00:50:27.660 I believe it was disgusting

00:50:28.680 what our government's done, yeah?

00:50:30.520 But my opinion...

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00:51:21.880 Opinion has changed

00:51:26.400 on the motive of the war,

00:51:28.320 but, and our soldiers

00:51:30.180 don't get to choose

00:51:31.200 the war they go into.

00:51:32.060 They swear allegiance

00:51:32.660 to queen and country

00:51:33.400 and the government

00:51:34.200 send them to war.

00:51:35.560 Now, if these people

00:51:36.220 are upset about the war,

00:51:37.840 take it to the government,

00:51:38.820 but they stood in front

00:51:39.940 of our soldiers

00:51:40.500 and at this point,

00:51:42.800 I was with my cousin

00:51:43.440 there that day

00:51:44.000 and there was,

00:51:46.480 I mean,

00:51:46.900 you could have lit a match

00:51:48.000 and our town

00:51:48.480 would have blown up

00:51:49.100 at this time.

00:51:50.160 That's how we felt.

00:51:51.080 But I'll tell you

00:51:52.080 why we felt that

00:51:52.660 because I'm a proud Lutonian.

00:51:54.500 Luton is part of

00:51:55.060 the identity of who I am,

00:51:56.240 is where I've been brought up

00:51:57.180 and the only time

00:51:58.740 you ever hear

00:51:59.160 our hometown mentioned

00:52:00.380 ever is to do

00:52:02.000 with terrorists and jihad

00:52:03.040 and now our soldiers

00:52:05.320 have been attacked

00:52:06.520 in our town

00:52:07.380 by these jihadists

00:52:09.040 and not just attacked,

00:52:10.520 but the police

00:52:11.040 walked them through

00:52:11.720 the town hall

00:52:12.320 to do it.

00:52:13.620 So I watched it that day

00:52:14.720 and then,

00:52:16.240 and I watched the police's reaction.

00:52:17.600 They didn't turn

00:52:18.420 on the Muslims at all.

00:52:19.120 They stood with their backs

00:52:20.100 to the Muslims.

00:52:20.540 So the Muslims were all

00:52:21.300 here screaming abuse.

00:52:22.440 They stood with their batons

00:52:23.640 to all the English people

00:52:24.860 who were upset

00:52:25.840 at what they'd just

00:52:26.420 allowed to happen.

00:52:27.620 And the fact is,

00:52:28.640 the police didn't have

00:52:29.900 to bring them

00:52:30.280 through our town hall.

00:52:31.300 They could have kept them there.

00:52:32.180 How do you think

00:52:32.820 the ordinary rank

00:52:33.860 and file policeman

00:52:34.780 thinks about this sort of thing?

00:52:36.480 I've wondered about that

00:52:37.380 in Canada

00:52:37.880 because the same things

00:52:38.820 are happening.

00:52:39.380 Well,

00:52:39.500 they had to change

00:52:40.340 the rank and file police

00:52:41.340 to police these events

00:52:42.420 from this point on

00:52:43.200 because Luton police

00:52:44.040 were furious.

00:52:45.680 After this,

00:52:46.420 this went out everywhere.

00:52:47.180 Luton police went in

00:52:47.980 the next day,

00:52:48.600 all of them,

00:52:49.300 and they wore Union Jack

00:52:50.480 badges on their uniform

00:52:51.940 that said,

00:52:52.540 British police support

00:52:53.400 British armed forces.

00:52:54.700 Because they were furious.

00:52:56.020 They were told to remove

00:52:57.100 their badges

00:52:57.520 and we know this

00:52:58.100 from the police

00:52:58.600 and they said no.

00:52:59.780 And 60 of them

00:53:00.600 said,

00:53:01.540 we're going on a walkout.

00:53:02.580 We are not removing

00:53:03.460 these badges

00:53:03.940 because you have portrayed,

00:53:05.720 you've made it look like,

00:53:06.760 and the police were unhappy

00:53:07.640 with what they've been

00:53:08.360 made to do.

00:53:09.720 So from this,

00:53:11.260 and for me,

00:53:12.480 as a local lad,

00:53:14.220 like,

00:53:14.660 I said to my cousin,

00:53:15.660 we can't allow this.

00:53:18.020 What's next from this?

00:53:19.520 They've just attacked

00:53:20.120 our armed forces.

00:53:21.240 What's next?

00:53:21.740 Turn up at a soldier's funeral.

00:53:23.060 We know who these men are.

00:53:24.320 We know who these groups are.

00:53:25.820 We need,

00:53:26.340 the whole country

00:53:27.120 needs to know who they are.

00:53:28.160 And we were so outraged

00:53:29.260 that the people of Luton

00:53:30.880 have been portrayed

00:53:31.520 as being against

00:53:32.240 their armed forces

00:53:32.980 when really it's the jihadists.

00:53:34.420 And what we found out

00:53:35.260 is that every mosque in Luton

00:53:36.440 was leafleted

00:53:37.060 in the days before it.

00:53:38.300 So we didn't know this.

00:53:39.680 So all the mosques,

00:53:40.400 the entire Islamic community knew,

00:53:42.540 all the imams knew,

00:53:43.760 that our soldiers

00:53:44.360 were going to come

00:53:44.860 under hostile attack

00:53:45.800 by a jihadist group.

00:53:47.480 What's now a prescribed

00:53:48.500 terrorist organisation.

00:53:49.840 So then after that,

00:53:50.700 I organised a demonstration

00:53:51.920 called the United People of Luton.

00:53:54.540 But before that,

00:53:55.360 what I've done is,

00:53:56.120 I went to the council,

00:53:57.020 contacted them,

00:53:57.920 and set up a petition

00:53:59.040 and we got 4,000 signatures.

00:54:01.380 We have laws in the UK

00:54:02.800 which are against,

00:54:04.680 they're called ASBO orders,

00:54:06.420 anti-social behaviour orders.

00:54:07.640 So if two young kids

00:54:08.580 at our local shops

00:54:10.400 keep causing trouble together,

00:54:12.060 they'll get an ASBO order

00:54:13.080 to prevent them

00:54:13.540 from being together.

00:54:14.780 So what we said is,

00:54:15.720 you've got these orders.

00:54:17.180 I don't want my mum

00:54:18.180 to walk through Luton Town Centre

00:54:19.460 and have to face

00:54:20.760 these jihadist groups.

00:54:22.520 None of our family

00:54:23.460 should have to see them

00:54:24.280 all together

00:54:25.580 recruiting again.

00:54:27.020 We want them banned.

00:54:27.940 We want them banned

00:54:29.340 from the town.

00:54:30.540 And then we turned up

00:54:31.340 for our first demonstration

00:54:32.400 which was all of our,

00:54:33.720 I went round,

00:54:34.320 leafleted everyone

00:54:34.860 and said,

00:54:35.680 it was Bank Holiday Sunday,

00:54:37.520 we're going to show

00:54:38.320 the country

00:54:38.920 that the people of Luton

00:54:39.860 support our armed forces.

00:54:41.620 When we turned up that day

00:54:42.660 and I knew,

00:54:44.460 because you know,

00:54:45.100 you've heard

00:54:45.400 the two-tier policing now,

00:54:46.340 it's now become part

00:54:47.800 of the vocabulary

00:54:48.360 of Great Britain

00:54:48.860 because everyone talks

00:54:49.420 about how we're two-tier policing.

00:54:50.300 In the US increasingly too.

00:54:51.980 Everyone's seen

00:54:52.440 the two-tier policing.

00:54:53.260 But I'd seen it my whole life

00:54:54.460 because I'm from a town

00:54:55.740 that's now 50,

00:54:56.480 60% Muslim

00:54:57.180 and I know how we get policed.

00:54:59.680 I know,

00:55:00.140 I've seen it.

00:55:00.960 So I bought a cameraman.

00:55:02.400 I bought a wedding,

00:55:03.580 he videos weddings.

00:55:04.800 I paid him for the day

00:55:05.720 and said,

00:55:06.040 come and video everything.

00:55:07.660 As we turned up,

00:55:08.760 the police come up,

00:55:09.540 they stopped us,

00:55:10.120 they made us take our shoes off.

00:55:11.380 They searched us,

00:55:12.520 they put their hands

00:55:13.180 in our pockets

00:55:13.760 and as they're doing it,

00:55:14.900 I said,

00:55:15.120 you didn't do this to them.

00:55:16.360 You did not do this to them.

00:55:17.600 I watched the day

00:55:18.460 they attacked our soldiers,

00:55:19.680 you didn't take your hands on them.

00:55:20.940 Why are you putting your hands on us?

00:55:22.160 Why are you searching us?

00:55:23.380 Why are you treating us like this?

00:55:24.960 We're coming out

00:55:25.480 to show support

00:55:26.040 for our armed forces.

00:55:27.180 Then the police

00:55:27.700 drew a baton line.

00:55:28.680 So we wanted to get

00:55:29.920 to the town hall,

00:55:31.120 which is where our memorial is,

00:55:33.620 which is where they let them get

00:55:34.780 and they blocked it.

00:55:36.300 They blocked it,

00:55:37.160 they kettled us for three hours.

00:55:38.700 My auntie had to urinate

00:55:39.680 in the street

00:55:40.300 because they wouldn't let them out.

00:55:41.820 And I said,

00:55:42.580 I remember saying,

00:55:43.060 no Muslim woman

00:55:43.960 would ever be forced

00:55:44.680 to urinate in the street.

00:55:45.900 You would never do this to them.

00:55:47.640 And then they battered us.

00:55:49.540 My friend,

00:55:50.260 who's a little black lad

00:55:50.960 called Craig,

00:55:51.480 they knocked his teeth out.

00:55:52.800 And there was then

00:55:53.540 clashes with the police.

00:55:55.660 And then,

00:55:57.060 so we were held for three hours.

00:55:58.760 We weren't allowed

00:55:59.260 to get to the war memorial.

00:56:00.520 And all we wanted to do

00:56:01.520 was show support

00:56:02.140 for our armed forces.

00:56:03.100 And they locked us down.

00:56:04.620 And after that,

00:56:05.800 I then said no.

00:56:07.760 And then they raided houses.

00:56:09.420 They went to my mum's house.

00:56:10.560 This is the start.

00:56:11.440 They went to my mum's house.

00:56:12.260 I wasn't there.

00:56:13.400 And everyone they arrested,

00:56:14.480 they went to each estate.

00:56:15.720 So they arrested one person

00:56:16.760 from each estate.

00:56:17.460 This is the intimidation.

00:56:18.840 And then they gave them

00:56:19.600 all bail conditions,

00:56:20.980 preventing them from

00:56:21.580 entering our town centre

00:56:22.460 24 hours a day,

00:56:23.640 seven days a week

00:56:24.280 for three months.

00:56:25.480 So then,

00:56:26.460 and I knew they'd been

00:56:27.180 to my mum's,

00:56:28.240 but I wasn't there.

00:56:29.160 So I thought,

00:56:29.760 well,

00:56:30.460 you've done to us

00:56:31.760 what we're asking you

00:56:32.780 to do to them.

00:56:33.840 They're the terrorists.

00:56:35.180 You banned us

00:56:35.840 from our own town.

00:56:37.060 And so then

00:56:37.660 we organised another protest.

00:56:39.420 And I remember contacting

00:56:40.220 the police saying,

00:56:40.860 I don't think you understand

00:56:41.960 the level of frustration here.

00:56:43.980 This town's going to blow up.

00:56:45.540 Okay?

00:56:46.060 The years of us being

00:56:47.500 trodden down,

00:56:48.640 the years of us

00:56:49.260 being under attack,

00:56:50.480 the crime,

00:56:51.200 the drugs,

00:56:51.800 the prostitution,

00:56:52.560 the grooming.

00:56:53.980 And here you are,

00:56:54.740 you're crushing us.

00:56:56.060 We're trying to have

00:56:56.980 an organised event.

00:56:58.320 So I said,

00:56:58.940 you need to let us

00:56:59.500 get to the War Memorial

00:57:00.140 because people are not

00:57:01.260 going to be happy.

00:57:02.080 But on that day,

00:57:03.400 I was obviously wanted.

00:57:04.600 They'd been to my mum's house.

00:57:05.960 The other lads

00:57:06.660 who had conditions

00:57:07.420 not to enter the town centre,

00:57:08.740 we all wanted to go.

00:57:09.720 So when I turned up,

00:57:10.440 I gave everyone masks

00:57:11.400 and said,

00:57:12.340 when we leave here,

00:57:13.000 no one take the masks off.

00:57:14.260 All right?

00:57:14.880 When we're getting

00:57:15.620 to the War Memorial today.

00:57:17.240 And 500 young men

00:57:18.520 turned up that day.

00:57:19.560 More,

00:57:20.000 probably a thousand.

00:57:20.600 But we're all from Luton.

00:57:22.300 So the songs we're all singing

00:57:23.520 is about,

00:57:23.980 we are Luton Town,

00:57:24.680 it's our town.

00:57:25.600 And then they called us

00:57:26.860 all outsiders.

00:57:27.560 They went on the news

00:57:28.200 saying lots of troublemakers

00:57:29.080 from outside of Luton

00:57:29.860 have come into the town.

00:57:31.180 And we got to the War Memorial

00:57:32.980 that day.

00:57:34.520 And this was the start.

00:57:36.860 What I'd done is I went,

00:57:38.040 I videoed it again.

00:57:39.320 And I went on all different

00:57:40.520 football discussion forums

00:57:42.000 around the country

00:57:42.820 and said,

00:57:43.940 Luton stood up today.

00:57:45.100 Okay?

00:57:45.480 We've had enough.

00:57:46.420 We've had enough

00:57:47.080 of what's going on.

00:57:48.020 We've had enough

00:57:48.680 of the two-tier policing.

00:57:49.720 We've had enough

00:57:50.260 of the Islamic gangs.

00:57:51.220 So Luton stood up today.

00:57:52.820 And the video was reminiscent

00:57:54.040 of hundreds and hundreds

00:57:55.280 of young men

00:57:55.840 just saying that.

00:57:56.900 We're not having it anymore.

00:57:58.300 And our banners,

00:57:59.920 our banners made it

00:58:01.060 very clear.

00:58:01.840 Okay?

00:58:02.120 Muslim,

00:58:02.520 no problem.

00:58:03.260 Extremist Muslim,

00:58:03.960 big problem.

00:58:04.340 When was that?

00:58:05.160 This was 2009.

00:58:06.500 This is the start.

00:58:07.780 So people know me.

00:58:08.580 Early.

00:58:09.580 Yeah,

00:58:09.780 this is the start

00:58:11.140 of my activism.

00:58:12.100 This is what anyone

00:58:12.640 knows me as.

00:58:13.460 Now,

00:58:13.680 I used a fake name,

00:58:14.520 Tommy Robinson.

00:58:15.540 Yeah,

00:58:15.740 tell me about the name.

00:58:16.780 So in 2004,

00:58:18.140 when I didn't use

00:58:18.760 a fake name,

00:58:19.340 and I stood outside

00:58:19.960 the town hall

00:58:20.560 when I was 19 or 20

00:58:21.600 and held a protest,

00:58:23.240 my windows got smashed

00:58:24.360 and my house got attacked.

00:58:25.960 So come 2009,

00:58:27.640 I'm successful.

00:58:28.660 I've got a family.

00:58:29.780 I've got businesses.

00:58:31.180 But I want to talk.

00:58:32.160 I was the same

00:58:32.640 as every person

00:58:33.760 watching this.

00:58:34.760 I didn't want to lose

00:58:35.340 my house.

00:58:35.940 I didn't want to lose

00:58:36.520 my business.

00:58:37.120 I wanted to be able

00:58:37.700 to make money

00:58:38.120 and I didn't want

00:58:38.800 to lose my safety.

00:58:39.720 Let me ask you.

00:58:41.060 I want to know

00:58:42.180 where the name came from,

00:58:43.020 but I also want to know,

00:58:44.000 and I don't know

00:58:46.260 the answer to this.

00:58:46.920 This is really

00:58:47.400 a genuine question.

00:58:49.380 Do you think

00:58:50.080 it was a good move

00:58:51.300 ethically and strategically

00:58:52.520 to change your name

00:58:53.740 or would it have been

00:58:54.460 better to keep your name,

00:58:56.120 face the trouble then

00:58:57.200 and deal with it

00:58:58.300 at that point?

00:58:59.220 So in all honesty,

00:59:00.500 I didn't want to do this.

00:59:01.860 I didn't want to be the person.

00:59:03.260 So I wanted to make a stand,

00:59:05.040 but I didn't want to.

00:59:06.100 Yeah,

00:59:06.520 I wanted to be successful

00:59:07.560 in business.

00:59:08.600 I wanted to make money.

00:59:09.780 My passion was making money.

00:59:10.980 I was good at it.

00:59:12.120 I was doing well

00:59:12.780 as a family.

00:59:14.000 But I wanted someone

00:59:15.300 to speak about it.

00:59:16.940 Do you know the parable

00:59:18.040 of the rich man?

00:59:19.260 No.

00:59:20.200 What's that?

00:59:21.080 Well, it's a gospel story.

00:59:22.180 I'm going to tell it

00:59:22.960 because I see the problem

00:59:24.360 that you're in.

00:59:25.340 Well,

00:59:25.920 there's a scene

00:59:26.940 in the gospels

00:59:27.660 where Christ is

00:59:28.820 traveling in a cart

00:59:31.100 and a rich prince

00:59:34.340 jumps in

00:59:34.980 to accompany him

00:59:35.860 and he tells Christ

00:59:37.540 that he's done everything

00:59:39.460 he should do

00:59:40.040 in his life

00:59:40.540 to be a moral person.

00:59:41.640 He's followed

00:59:42.020 the commandments.

00:59:42.540 He honors his parents

00:59:43.580 and so on,

00:59:44.160 but that he's still

00:59:45.240 dissatisfied deep

00:59:46.400 in his soul.

00:59:47.860 And Christ asks him

00:59:49.940 about his situation.

00:59:51.660 He tells him he's rich,

00:59:52.580 that he has all these

00:59:53.300 concerns going.

00:59:54.640 And Jesus says to him,

00:59:56.820 I'm afraid you're going

00:59:57.780 to have to sell

00:59:58.440 everything you own

00:59:59.360 and follow me.

01:00:00.640 And the disciples

01:00:01.600 are like shorted

01:00:02.780 right out by this.

01:00:03.660 And they say,

01:00:04.280 well,

01:00:04.500 if that's the cost

01:00:05.380 of salvation,

01:00:06.260 you know,

01:00:06.940 who's going to pay that?

01:00:08.920 And I was thinking

01:00:11.260 about that

01:00:11.800 in the story of Jonah

01:00:12.820 at the same time

01:00:13.680 when you were talking

01:00:14.360 because Jonah

01:00:15.020 is called upon

01:00:16.240 by God

01:00:16.840 to speak the truth

01:00:17.860 and he just heads

01:00:18.940 in the other direction.

01:00:19.980 It's like he thinks

01:00:20.740 exactly like you thought.

01:00:21.980 It's like,

01:00:22.780 yeah,

01:00:23.220 I don't think so.

01:00:24.520 And, you know,

01:00:25.360 who would do that?

01:00:26.440 Who wants to do that?

01:00:27.560 And so,

01:00:27.900 but that still doesn't

01:00:29.180 quite answer the question.

01:00:30.200 Like you said

01:00:30.940 that you're caught,

01:00:32.640 right?

01:00:32.840 You're pulled

01:00:33.480 because on the one hand

01:00:34.620 you want to have your life

01:00:35.600 and you want to be successful.

01:00:36.780 On the other hand

01:00:37.300 you want to tell the truth.

01:00:38.360 And so,

01:00:39.000 the name was a compromise

01:00:40.240 between that.

01:00:41.700 I wore a mask for a year.

01:00:43.560 Right.

01:00:43.860 I wore a mask.

01:00:44.420 No one knew who I was for a year.

01:00:45.680 Oh.

01:00:46.260 Right.

01:00:46.620 So,

01:00:46.800 so,

01:00:47.020 so looking back on that now,

01:00:49.380 do you think that that was

01:00:51.000 a mistake that you made

01:00:52.780 to protect your life

01:00:54.460 and your,

01:00:55.060 and your enterprise?

01:00:56.620 I'm not saying

01:00:57.180 that wasn't justifiable

01:00:58.260 or

01:00:59.220 because there's a price

01:01:01.940 obviously for anonymity.

01:01:03.320 There's a price

01:01:03.840 for not being public,

01:01:05.140 right?

01:01:05.340 It breeds suspicion

01:01:06.900 for example

01:01:07.660 and so,

01:01:08.580 what do you think about that?

01:01:09.540 I think the best thing,

01:01:10.380 the best thing that ever happened

01:01:11.400 is when I got unmasked.

01:01:12.920 The best thing.

01:01:13.200 It was.

01:01:13.980 It was,

01:01:14.620 not for me,

01:01:15.540 but I was terrified.

01:01:16.540 So,

01:01:16.660 there was a Times newspaper report

01:01:18.280 called Stephen Bird

01:01:19.180 and I'd been hiding

01:01:20.580 for a year.

01:01:21.720 So,

01:01:21.940 I'm talking about

01:01:22.460 all these issues

01:01:22.960 secretly on radios

01:01:24.160 and I'm giving the name

01:01:25.260 Tommy Robinson

01:01:25.820 and I'm turning up

01:01:27.140 to demonstrations

01:01:27.720 with a mask on my face.

01:01:28.760 No one saw my face.

01:01:29.900 So,

01:01:30.260 no one knew who I was.

01:01:31.420 So,

01:01:31.560 there was lots of confusion.

01:01:32.440 Who is this guy?

01:01:33.600 But,

01:01:34.200 obviously,

01:01:34.600 my friends knew.

01:01:35.300 No one knew.

01:01:35.920 And then a Times newspaper journalist

01:01:37.600 turned up at my mum's house

01:01:38.560 and said,

01:01:39.640 where's Stephen?

01:01:40.300 And my mum rang me

01:01:41.040 and said,

01:01:41.320 there's a journalist here

01:01:41.980 looking for you.

01:01:42.780 And I knew then,

01:01:44.300 okay,

01:01:45.260 this is it.

01:01:46.000 And I went to meet

01:01:46.640 the journalist

01:01:47.060 and he said,

01:01:48.340 you're on the front page

01:01:49.040 of the Times newspaper

01:01:49.800 tomorrow, Stephen.

01:01:50.720 Your life changes tomorrow.

01:01:52.440 And I was terrified,

01:01:53.620 if I'm honest.

01:01:54.440 Absolutely terrified.

01:01:56.140 Now,

01:01:56.520 but in that,

01:01:57.260 because then I was

01:01:57.760 nationally known,

01:01:58.760 yeah,

01:01:59.040 at this point.

01:01:59.660 Because the English,

01:02:00.040 we set up

01:02:01.960 the United People of Luton.

01:02:03.460 And then,

01:02:04.020 after our second protest,

01:02:05.380 where we got to

01:02:05.920 the war memorial,

01:02:07.060 we put the video online,

01:02:08.520 and this Islamic group

01:02:09.540 of jihadists,

01:02:11.100 they held an Islamic roadshow

01:02:12.320 in Birmingham,

01:02:13.040 and they had a big banner

01:02:14.320 that said Jesus was a Muslim.

01:02:15.700 And there's hundreds of them.

01:02:16.780 And they stop a young

01:02:17.880 11-year-old white Christian boy

01:02:19.320 called Sean

01:02:19.860 in the shopping centre

01:02:20.900 who's with his friend

01:02:22.500 and they get him up on stage

01:02:23.860 and they convert him to Islam.

01:02:26.400 And as they convert him to Islam,

01:02:27.460 they're all cheering

01:02:27.880 al-Akbar.

01:02:29.020 And I watched it then

01:02:29.800 from Luton and said,

01:02:30.740 no,

01:02:31.140 they can't do this.

01:02:32.200 That cannot be allowed to happen

01:02:33.680 in a city centre

01:02:34.780 for a child.

01:02:36.480 So I said,

01:02:36.980 right, lads,

01:02:37.540 to the lads from Luton,

01:02:38.320 we're going to Birmingham.

01:02:39.340 We're going to move this

01:02:40.420 from Luton-ish.

01:02:41.500 This isn't a Luton issue.

01:02:42.760 This is a national issue.

01:02:44.580 So we went to Birmingham

01:02:45.480 and we formed

01:02:46.420 the English Defence League

01:02:47.300 and that's where the name

01:02:48.240 English Defence League

01:02:48.960 come from.

01:02:49.920 Now, when we went to Birmingham,

01:02:51.140 we went as a group of 50,

01:02:52.740 50 men from Luton.

01:02:53.980 We got violently battered.

01:02:56.380 Okay?

01:02:56.920 The newspaper,

01:02:57.600 and this is where

01:02:58.080 my first awakening

01:02:59.020 to the media come.

01:03:00.280 So there's a picture,

01:03:02.240 this boy wasn't with us,

01:03:03.520 there's a young English boy

01:03:04.340 at a bus stop

01:03:04.880 with a green top on

01:03:06.200 and gangs of Muslims

01:03:07.540 just come from everywhere

01:03:08.540 and they battered everyone.

01:03:10.420 Yeah?

01:03:10.680 And there's a picture

01:03:11.760 in the national newspaper

01:03:12.420 and they're jumping

01:03:13.120 on this boy's head

01:03:13.940 and underneath the picture

01:03:15.500 it says,

01:03:15.940 a fascist is attacked

01:03:17.320 by anti-fascists.

01:03:19.260 And I remember looking at it,

01:03:19.980 I remember looking at it going,

01:03:21.180 well, I remember

01:03:21.920 I had an awakening

01:03:23.160 to everything

01:03:23.840 because I went from

01:03:25.000 working on a building site

01:03:26.200 to six months later

01:03:27.800 leading the biggest protest movement

01:03:29.100 you'll have seen.

01:03:30.080 And when we went to Birmingham

01:03:30.900 as a group of 50,

01:03:32.140 we had English Defence League

01:03:33.300 tops on

01:03:33.740 and it said Luton Division

01:03:35.300 in the name of our town.

01:03:37.180 And these images

01:03:37.800 went everywhere

01:03:38.420 of English men

01:03:39.220 getting chased

01:03:39.860 and beaten.

01:03:41.260 So this was Birmingham

01:03:42.300 and our first banners

01:03:44.440 said victims of jihad

01:03:46.020 in Nigeria,

01:03:47.180 we stand with you.

01:03:48.380 Because obviously

01:03:48.920 I was down the rabbit hole.

01:03:50.440 So I was seeing

01:03:51.060 on Christmas Day

01:03:51.740 five Christian churches

01:03:53.160 were blown to pieces,

01:03:54.160 didn't make the BBC news.

01:03:55.460 I was following

01:03:56.240 all these stories

01:03:56.920 around the world

01:03:57.480 of Christians facing persecution

01:03:58.760 at the hands of jihad,

01:04:00.100 no one caring.

01:04:01.180 So we went to Birmingham

01:04:02.240 and we thought

01:04:02.560 let's highlight

01:04:03.060 a lot of issues here.

01:04:04.380 Let's make this a point.

01:04:06.000 And we had banners,

01:04:06.700 we had placards,

01:04:07.320 but we got violently.

01:04:08.520 The police had to lock us

01:04:09.580 in a building

01:04:10.060 for two hours

01:04:11.240 because they couldn't

01:04:11.660 control the streets.

01:04:12.760 Then they got buses

01:04:13.760 and put us on the buses

01:04:14.860 to get us out of there

01:04:16.420 and all the windows

01:04:17.120 were coming in,

01:04:17.740 there was riots going on.

01:04:19.760 So from this,

01:04:21.640 we then went back to Luton

01:04:23.200 and then we saw

01:04:24.140 a Christian church

01:04:25.480 in Manchester

01:04:26.560 that had been taken over

01:04:27.220 by Muslims,

01:04:27.800 which there's been

01:04:28.220 another video go viral

01:04:29.140 just weeks ago,

01:04:29.780 similar situation.

01:04:31.020 It was in the area

01:04:31.660 of Longsite

01:04:32.280 and they were bulldozing

01:04:33.660 over Christian graves

01:04:34.720 and headstones.

01:04:36.380 So I was watching it going,

01:04:38.280 like, they can't do this.

01:04:39.640 How come no one's

01:04:40.540 talking about this

01:04:41.260 in the town?

01:04:42.080 Where's the local

01:04:42.620 political voice?

01:04:43.340 Where's the politicians?

01:04:44.480 Now the thing where we,

01:04:45.480 people said,

01:04:46.420 because we took to the streets.

01:04:47.500 Now we went from

01:04:48.420 a group of 50 men

01:04:49.320 in Birmingham

01:04:50.500 being violently beaten

01:04:51.480 to going on all the

01:04:52.980 messaging boards

01:04:53.620 of English football clubs,

01:04:55.020 then turned up

01:04:55.940 in Manchester

01:04:56.520 and I was like,

01:04:57.580 when we got there,

01:04:58.360 there was thousands

01:04:59.320 of young Englishmen

01:05:00.740 had come from everywhere

01:05:02.240 and from the start,

01:05:04.380 because of the violence

01:05:05.240 in Birmingham,

01:05:06.380 the men had come

01:05:06.980 with an attitude of,

01:05:07.960 no, we're not backing down.

01:05:09.480 Okay?

01:05:10.060 So that was sort of

01:05:11.340 the start

01:05:11.900 and the birth

01:05:12.500 of the English Defence League,

01:05:13.880 which every city we went to,

01:05:15.020 there was a justified reason

01:05:15.960 for going, yeah?

01:05:16.840 But no one ever spoke

01:05:17.640 about that.

01:05:18.080 And then I realised

01:05:20.340 very quickly

01:05:20.840 that everything I'd seen

01:05:21.660 in Luton,

01:05:22.380 everything I'd talked

01:05:23.000 about in Luton,

01:05:23.860 was happening

01:05:24.320 in every town in the city.

01:05:25.500 So then I started

01:05:26.180 meeting families

01:05:26.860 that their daughters

01:05:27.880 were missing for weeks

01:05:28.880 and then I started

01:05:29.860 hearing all these stories

01:05:30.760 and it's one thing

01:05:31.640 to read about grooming

01:05:32.800 and that's why

01:05:33.580 I made a five-part series,

01:05:34.880 the one you talked about

01:05:35.740 that you watch,

01:05:36.460 because you don't get

01:05:39.140 to feel the pain.

01:05:40.280 I'm sitting with a mother,

01:05:41.460 a father and a brother

01:05:42.200 whose 13-year-old daughter

01:05:43.520 has been missing

01:05:43.920 for five days

01:05:44.660 and the police

01:05:45.380 are doing nothing.

01:05:46.500 Now no one,

01:05:47.140 so I remember going

01:05:47.940 on big chat shows

01:05:48.740 in 2009,

01:05:49.820 Jeremy Paxman

01:05:50.460 was the most feared

01:05:51.880 BBC presenter

01:05:52.700 and he had a show

01:05:53.680 called Newsnight

01:05:54.320 and when I went on

01:05:55.420 everyone was

01:05:55.960 all our opposition

01:05:57.460 at the time

01:05:58.040 and I was terrified again

01:05:59.440 and it was the first time

01:06:00.460 my mum,

01:06:01.080 so my family

01:06:02.080 had been crying

01:06:02.760 since the time

01:06:03.340 I started my activism

01:06:04.100 because my mum

01:06:05.420 was threatened

01:06:05.760 with her job,

01:06:07.440 there was violence,

01:06:08.840 police raids,

01:06:10.360 terrorists attacked,

01:06:11.280 terrorist plots,

01:06:12.300 so my family

01:06:13.060 were begging me

01:06:13.480 and begging me to stop

01:06:14.240 and I went on

01:06:15.220 this Jeremy Paxman show

01:06:16.260 and I said to him

01:06:19.000 like,

01:06:19.480 I don't expect you

01:06:20.100 to understand

01:06:20.660 but I expect you

01:06:21.580 to listen,

01:06:22.240 okay,

01:06:22.660 our daughters are being

01:06:23.260 taken,

01:06:24.140 they're being groomed,

01:06:24.800 they're being raped,

01:06:25.440 they're being prostituted

01:06:26.140 in every town I see

01:06:26.880 and he said,

01:06:28.460 you expect us

01:06:29.480 to believe

01:06:30.220 and it hasn't aged

01:06:31.640 well for him at all

01:06:32.420 because in the early days

01:06:34.020 we were condemned

01:06:34.960 as fabricating stories

01:06:37.100 and making this up,

01:06:38.720 so you understand

01:06:39.500 the level,

01:06:40.000 I met a father

01:06:40.780 from Blackpool,

01:06:41.980 the gang took his daughter,

01:06:43.700 okay,

01:06:43.920 the father and the son

01:06:45.220 would ring his phone

01:06:47.140 and he'd have to listen

01:06:48.700 whilst they were

01:06:49.680 raping his daughter,

01:06:50.920 yeah,

01:06:51.360 these levels,

01:06:52.380 so you understand

01:06:52.720 and in 2015,

01:06:54.760 so we spread,

01:06:55.540 we go across the country

01:06:56.440 and I've done a presentation

01:06:57.240 called The Rape of Britain

01:06:58.260 as well as documentaries

01:06:59.080 and I go back to us

01:07:00.560 marching through Telford

01:07:01.420 and now the arrest rates

01:07:02.960 for these crimes,

01:07:04.440 if you do a graph,

01:07:05.360 it goes like this,

01:07:06.000 there's none,

01:07:06.580 yeah,

01:07:06.940 the English Defence League

01:07:07.640 forms in 2009,

01:07:09.060 by 2010 and 2011,

01:07:10.600 the arrests are

01:07:11.460 going through the roof,

01:07:12.240 now we didn't expect

01:07:14.180 any credit for it

01:07:14.900 or any recognition for it

01:07:16.580 but the government

01:07:17.580 were then faced

01:07:18.240 with something

01:07:18.660 they knew was going on.

01:07:19.480 Look,

01:07:19.720 my sense was,

01:07:20.700 and this is part

01:07:21.320 of why you're here today,

01:07:22.460 like I've been watching

01:07:23.240 that since then,

01:07:25.140 I don't know

01:07:25.500 if it's since then

01:07:26.260 but it wasn't long

01:07:27.520 after that

01:07:28.180 and it was my sense

01:07:30.040 at the time

01:07:30.660 and this is something

01:07:31.440 I think that Tammy

01:07:32.400 has observed too

01:07:33.180 that your work

01:07:34.780 was essentially

01:07:35.900 what called attention

01:07:37.160 to the fact

01:07:38.060 of these grooming gangs.

01:07:39.080 So Andrew Norfolk

01:07:41.020 is a Times newspaper

01:07:41.980 who finally

01:07:42.900 questioned these gangs.

01:07:44.920 Now what he says,

01:07:46.700 he says,

01:07:47.880 we saw the emergence

01:07:48.840 of the far right,

01:07:49.900 he's given an interview.

01:07:51.340 I had been made knowledgeable

01:07:52.940 of these gangs for years

01:07:54.300 but everyone was too scared

01:07:55.560 to touch it

01:07:56.260 because all the men

01:07:57.100 were Pakistani Muslim

01:07:58.180 and all the girls

01:07:59.340 were young English children,

01:08:00.600 yeah,

01:08:00.940 so he'd known about it.

01:08:02.480 So for me,

01:08:03.460 Andrew Norfolk,

01:08:04.200 yeah,

01:08:04.620 okay,

01:08:05.060 you ended up reporting

01:08:06.420 it in the end

01:08:07.080 but you was a coward

01:08:08.160 for years,

01:08:08.680 you fight.

01:08:09.500 Well,

01:08:09.540 I also think,

01:08:10.280 you know,

01:08:10.500 it's hard for people,

01:08:12.480 what do they say?

01:08:13.140 Carl Sagan said,

01:08:14.180 extraordinary claims

01:08:16.040 require extraordinary evidence.

01:08:17.720 I talked to Michael Schellenberger

01:08:19.240 about the trans butchery

01:08:22.500 of kids that's going on now,

01:08:24.200 WPATH,

01:08:24.960 and Schellenberger,

01:08:25.960 who's a very brave journalist,

01:08:27.260 told me that he had listened

01:08:28.300 to my interview

01:08:29.000 with either Abigail Schreier

01:08:30.460 or Helen Joyce

01:08:31.680 detailing this out

01:08:33.160 probably two years ago now

01:08:34.560 and he said

01:08:35.700 he couldn't believe it.

01:08:36.820 It took Schellenberger

01:08:38.240 two years

01:08:39.220 to contemplate this

01:08:41.240 because he couldn't believe

01:08:42.100 of the magnitude

01:08:42.660 of the crime

01:08:43.240 and I think it's not

01:08:44.100 it's not merely cowardice

01:08:45.880 although there's plenty of that.

01:08:47.280 It's also the fact that

01:08:48.480 look,

01:08:49.500 it's a lot easier

01:08:50.340 to write you off

01:08:51.340 than to admit

01:08:51.960 that there are gangs

01:08:52.980 of people

01:08:53.920 who've been brought

01:08:55.020 into the country

01:08:55.740 who have set out

01:08:57.020 malevolently

01:08:57.980 and with intent

01:08:58.740 to rape thousands of girls.

01:09:00.220 So it's a hell of a lot easier

01:09:01.720 to write you off

01:09:02.440 as a far-right extremist

01:09:03.600 than it is

01:09:04.060 to even begin

01:09:05.120 to contemplate

01:09:05.900 what that might mean.

01:09:07.120 And that's what he said.

01:09:08.360 He said,

01:09:08.800 when I saw the emergence

01:09:10.460 of the far-right,

01:09:11.300 by far-right

01:09:12.260 he means concerned

01:09:12.980 English fathers.

01:09:14.040 Yeah.

01:09:14.760 Concerned Englishmen

01:09:15.520 who are saying

01:09:16.220 well we've had enough of this.

01:09:17.700 If you go back

01:09:18.200 to our videos

01:09:18.660 we're marching through cities

01:09:19.660 saying Muslim pedos

01:09:20.580 off our streets.

01:09:21.620 Before all this.

01:09:22.980 Typical far-right stance.

01:09:24.500 Yeah, 2015

01:09:25.160 is when the

01:09:26.260 Rotherham Report

01:09:27.060 was released.

01:09:27.700 Now this is when

01:09:29.020 Andrew Norfolk

01:09:29.740 started talking about it.

01:09:31.560 So Andrew Norfolk

01:09:32.480 starts talking about it

01:09:33.360 then they do an investigation

01:09:34.300 in the city of Rotherham

01:09:35.320 and the city of Rotherham

01:09:36.300 has a 3.7% Muslim population

01:09:38.480 and they find

01:09:39.540 that over 1,400 children

01:09:41.340 have been raped.

01:09:42.200 And they find

01:09:43.100 that the police knew

01:09:43.880 social services knew

01:09:44.880 the government.

01:09:45.560 So I remember

01:09:46.480 at the time of this

01:09:47.440 when it blew up

01:09:48.700 everything we'd said

01:09:50.180 everything we'd been

01:09:51.360 screaming about

01:09:52.000 now is in a government report.

01:09:54.320 That was actually

01:09:54.980 one of the things

01:09:55.700 that really alerted me

01:09:57.080 to just exactly

01:09:57.980 how screwy things

01:09:58.860 had become.

01:09:59.900 So that was before

01:10:00.780 I made the videos

01:10:01.880 that made me viral

01:10:02.940 in 2016.

01:10:04.560 But one of the things

01:10:05.460 I'd been following

01:10:06.100 was that story.

01:10:07.140 And it took me

01:10:07.920 well the first

01:10:09.080 the way you react

01:10:10.960 when you come across

01:10:11.620 a story like that

01:10:12.440 is it's something like

01:10:13.860 there's just no way

01:10:14.700 this can possibly be true.

01:10:16.120 And it's far worse

01:10:16.820 than you can ever.

01:10:17.280 Yeah well that

01:10:17.960 it's far worse.

01:10:19.520 It's far

01:10:20.080 so when that report

01:10:21.340 come out

01:10:21.780 and let me think

01:10:22.680 of what name we'll give her

01:10:23.380 because I know

01:10:24.240 all these girls

01:10:24.840 and families now

01:10:25.600 but you're not allowed

01:10:26.460 to use their hidden

01:10:27.820 so this girl

01:10:28.980 one girl

01:10:29.660 her father had rang

01:10:30.780 999

01:10:31.240 the emergency number

01:10:32.440 when they went through

01:10:34.260 to get the history

01:10:34.800 of how many times

01:10:35.520 he'd rung the emergency

01:10:36.400 services for his daughter

01:10:37.560 it was 200 times.

01:10:39.120 Oh dear.

01:10:39.780 200 times he'd rang

01:10:40.560 for help.

01:10:41.160 200 times.

01:10:42.140 Then two fathers

01:10:43.020 got together

01:10:43.500 and this is all

01:10:44.340 in the report

01:10:44.800 it's not my

01:10:45.200 not Tommy Robinson

01:10:45.960 saying this

01:10:46.440 two fathers got together

01:10:47.720 and the two 13 year old

01:10:49.140 girls were in a house

01:10:50.220 being raped by gangs

01:10:51.260 of Muslim adults.

01:10:52.060 The two fathers

01:10:53.820 went round

01:10:54.120 to get their daughters

01:10:54.660 back

01:10:54.960 the police turned up

01:10:55.920 and arrested the fathers

01:10:56.680 they left the girls

01:10:57.980 in the house.

01:10:58.840 There's another incident

01:10:59.580 in this report

01:11:00.260 five Muslim men

01:11:01.420 have a 12 year old

01:11:02.440 English girl

01:11:03.020 they've got her drunk

01:11:04.020 she's in a derelict house

01:11:05.280 they're all raping her

01:11:06.200 the police turned up

01:11:07.560 they arrested

01:11:08.340 the 12 year old girl

01:11:09.700 for being drunk

01:11:10.280 and disorderly.

01:11:11.820 This is

01:11:12.180 the level of

01:11:12.940 one girl

01:11:13.860 she was 12 years old

01:11:15.060 as well

01:11:15.320 they got a hot iron rod

01:11:16.680 with the letter M

01:11:17.320 and they heated it up

01:11:18.480 and they scolded her bun

01:11:19.400 because she was the property

01:11:20.400 of Mohammed

01:11:20.800 she was the property

01:11:22.140 of Mohammed

01:11:22.460 another girl they got

01:11:23.620 and they nailed her tongue

01:11:24.700 to a table

01:11:25.180 they used to take

01:11:25.980 these girls out

01:11:26.440 we're not talking

01:11:26.900 about sexual gratification

01:11:28.000 here

01:11:28.260 we're talking about

01:11:29.360 total destruction

01:11:30.580 of the most precious

01:11:31.880 thing that we have

01:11:32.800 which is our daughters

01:11:33.880 this is not

01:11:35.200 this is totally something

01:11:36.520 and when you go

01:11:37.220 through the cases

01:11:37.780 I've investigated

01:11:38.420 so many of them

01:11:39.220 and looked through

01:11:39.640 the numbers

01:11:40.120 Rotherham had a 3.7%

01:11:42.000 Muslim population

01:11:42.620 so for people to understand

01:11:44.720 the scale of this problem

01:11:45.960 there was 1,400 girls raped

01:11:48.280 I then looked

01:11:49.540 how many men

01:11:52.080 do you think

01:11:52.480 were involved

01:11:53.080 so Telford

01:11:54.260 in Telford

01:11:55.440 I'd done an investigation

01:11:56.140 into Telford

01:11:56.800 and the reason

01:11:57.220 I chose Telford

01:11:57.960 was Telford

01:11:59.020 was one of the gangs

01:12:00.080 where we'd had the report

01:12:01.200 the police had identified

01:12:02.600 1,000 victims

01:12:03.480 and they'd identified

01:12:04.840 200 perpetrators

01:12:06.040 so I went and spent

01:12:07.140 18 months in Telford

01:12:08.480 and I got to know

01:12:09.820 the story like you've seen

01:12:11.380 I've done a five part series

01:12:13.640 called The Rape of Britain

01:12:14.520 and when I went there

01:12:15.440 we went there

01:12:15.860 and worked for a year

01:12:16.640 before we let out

01:12:17.860 that we were working there

01:12:18.860 we got to know the girls

01:12:20.680 we got to know their families

01:12:21.940 I spent time interviewing

01:12:23.500 we had the ones

01:12:24.640 that were willing

01:12:25.000 to go on camera

01:12:25.640 and the ones that weren't

01:12:26.720 so I got a database

01:12:27.980 and we built a database

01:12:29.560 of names

01:12:30.180 so I'd interview a girl

01:12:31.300 for three hours

01:12:31.940 four hours

01:12:32.340 five hours

01:12:32.840 three four times

01:12:33.640 hear every bit of her story

01:12:35.060 we'd then sit down

01:12:35.880 and work through it

01:12:36.640 now when the name

01:12:37.700 we got the men's names

01:12:39.000 we had 254 identified

01:12:41.780 yeah

01:12:42.180 and when they're identified

01:12:44.220 by more than three girls

01:12:45.660 who do not know each other

01:12:46.780 that's the green flag

01:12:48.100 for me to go for them

01:12:48.880 in the documentaries

01:12:49.800 for me

01:12:50.520 I'm going to now

01:12:51.080 make you famous

01:12:51.760 yeah

01:12:51.980 and now

01:12:52.760 the police investigation

01:12:53.860 identified

01:12:54.820 200 perpetrators

01:12:56.560 our investigation

01:12:57.500 identified 254

01:12:58.860 an independent inquiry

01:13:00.120 is identified

01:13:00.680 over 300

01:13:01.400 now there's only

01:13:02.400 1.7% Muslim population

01:13:03.880 in that town

01:13:04.800 so how many Muslims

01:13:05.640 is that

01:13:06.000 it's about three and a half

01:13:06.800 three to three and a half thousand

01:13:07.940 so when you get rid of the women

01:13:09.400 and you get rid of the under 16s

01:13:11.320 yeah

01:13:11.580 we were talking about

01:13:12.560 a thousand men

01:13:13.180 yeah

01:13:13.720 a thousand Muslim men

01:13:14.700 in that town

01:13:15.160 and the police identified 200

01:13:16.560 now when they brought them

01:13:18.020 to prosecution

01:13:18.560 they prosecuted 11

01:13:19.420 why

01:13:20.340 they only prosecuted 11

01:13:21.780 so when people see these headlines

01:13:23.800 and you're seeing grooming

01:13:24.760 yeah

01:13:25.060 they're not doing them

01:13:26.140 they're doing a little

01:13:26.900 in each town

01:13:27.960 they're nicking a few

01:13:28.700 yeah

01:13:29.080 they're nicking a few

01:13:29.960 now what we found

01:13:30.660 in our investigation

01:13:31.320 was that

01:13:31.760 one of the most senior

01:13:32.960 ranking officers

01:13:33.600 was receiving funds

01:13:34.900 and monies from the gangs

01:13:35.960 the gangs act as a mafia

01:13:37.800 they're a Pakistani mafia

01:13:39.060 yeah

01:13:39.500 their level of violence

01:13:40.740 their groups

01:13:42.900 that they're linked with

01:13:43.600 they're all the way to the top

01:13:44.680 from solicitors

01:13:45.400 to CPS lawyers

01:13:46.900 to politicians

01:13:47.940 so in this one town

01:13:49.620 where we'd done this big investigation

01:13:51.120 and we tried to give the information

01:13:52.960 to the police

01:13:53.420 they wouldn't take it

01:13:54.340 yeah

01:13:54.580 so there is still a massive cover-up going on

01:13:57.120 so and I'd done this

01:13:58.180 I'd done this five-part series

01:13:59.720 because in 2017

01:14:01.160 I've always talked about these issues

01:14:03.200 then they started making arrests

01:14:04.660 now when they started making arrests

01:14:06.740 all the crimes I'm talking about

01:14:08.640 the tongue on the table

01:14:09.920 the hot iron rod

01:14:11.100 these were coming out of the reporting

01:14:12.720 because for the first time

01:14:14.120 if there's a six-week trial

01:14:15.220 journalists were sitting in the trials

01:14:16.780 and they're reporting

01:14:17.660 all the horrific details

01:14:18.860 we get told

01:14:19.940 the words they're using

01:14:21.040 dirty garras

01:14:21.880 they use white slag

01:14:22.960 it's all racial

01:14:23.740 it's all religious

01:14:24.340 they're literally quoting the Quran

01:14:25.580 whilst doing their rapes

01:14:26.940 yeah

01:14:27.060 so as this is coming out

01:14:28.380 finally

01:14:29.060 all of it's coming out

01:14:30.440 then all of a sudden

01:14:31.240 the reporting stops

01:14:32.460 now why does the reporting stop?

01:14:34.220 they put reporting restrictions

01:14:35.440 on every one of these cases now

01:14:37.000 yeah

01:14:37.280 so what happens

01:14:38.180 instead of getting the details

01:14:39.600 what happens is

01:14:40.900 they have a six-week trial

01:14:41.800 and on the final day

01:14:43.060 you get one day news

01:14:44.160 20 men convicted

01:14:45.400 yeah

01:14:45.800 so I went up to

01:14:46.820 one of these cases

01:14:47.740 was going on

01:14:48.260 so is that the technical restriction

01:14:49.920 they can

01:14:50.400 now they put reporting restrictions

01:14:52.620 and say

01:14:53.040 because they have such big trials

01:14:54.540 there are a group of 10 men

01:14:55.680 a group of 10 men

01:14:56.300 a group of 10 men

01:14:56.960 they're all interlinked

01:14:58.000 until the end of all the trials

01:14:59.320 oh I see

01:15:00.040 I see

01:15:00.480 so hypothetically

01:15:01.560 so they're not contaminating the trial

01:15:03.300 yeah

01:15:03.400 so what we'll do

01:15:04.160 hypothetically

01:15:04.800 in America

01:15:05.580 and possibly here

01:15:06.380 you lock up the jury

01:15:07.680 we lock up the public

01:15:10.180 we don't let the public know

01:15:11.860 to keep the jury safe

01:15:13.640 that's what their argument is

01:15:15.120 so there's a case going on in Leeds

01:15:17.880 now at this time

01:15:18.940 I'm doing journalism

01:15:19.680 I went to the top

01:15:21.180 Kingsley Napoli

01:15:22.100 lawyers in London

01:15:22.960 Ezra Levant sent me

01:15:24.360 I went on a course

01:15:25.680 to understand what I can and can't do

01:15:27.340 around court reporting

01:15:28.320 so when they have a reporting restriction

01:15:30.100 the judge has no power

01:15:31.920 over putting any restrictions

01:15:33.800 on any information

01:15:34.740 that's already in the public domain

01:15:35.700 so I looked at this case

01:15:37.020 30 men

01:15:37.980 and my problem with this was

01:15:39.400 which I'd previously been to another case

01:15:41.420 there was another case

01:15:42.120 in a place called Canterbury

01:15:43.740 these cases are everywhere

01:15:45.060 yeah

01:15:45.560 you've got to

01:15:46.360 for the public

01:15:47.380 you have to understand

01:15:48.800 the crimes that are going on

01:15:50.060 and being allowed to go on

01:15:51.580 facilitated and accommodated

01:15:53.200 to go on

01:15:53.640 literally handed over our kids

01:15:55.180 so in Canterbury

01:15:56.600 a young girl was drunk

01:15:57.660 she was 14 or 15

01:15:58.700 she walked into a kebab shop

01:16:00.040 a Muslim owned kebab shop

01:16:01.120 and asked for directions

01:16:02.320 she's taken upstairs

01:16:04.000 by all six members of the staff

01:16:06.260 they find all of their DNA

01:16:08.040 she found crime down the road

01:16:10.320 they've all raped her

01:16:11.360 they're all on bail

01:16:12.360 so I looked at this case

01:16:14.360 they changed the name of their shop

01:16:15.900 they're still running the shop

01:16:16.920 so I went up to the city

01:16:18.360 I went up to the city

01:16:19.540 and I asked the people

01:16:20.660 who were walking past

01:16:21.680 are you aware of any allegations

01:16:23.200 against this business?

01:16:24.840 no

01:16:25.200 so no one knew

01:16:26.520 there's kids

01:16:27.360 I'm watching kids

01:16:28.140 same people operating

01:16:29.060 same people running it

01:16:29.800 they just changed the name

01:16:30.500 I'm watching kids going in there

01:16:32.060 so I went to the court case

01:16:34.180 the next day

01:16:34.620 because the man's in court

01:16:35.600 now I went to the court case

01:16:37.220 and this was before

01:16:39.020 I was aware of the laws

01:16:39.960 you're not allowed to stand

01:16:41.180 on court property

01:16:41.800 and video yourself

01:16:42.580 so I stood on court property

01:16:44.320 and said

01:16:44.720 this is what's happening

01:16:45.700 six o'clock in the morning

01:16:47.020 my door goes through

01:16:47.900 I'm raided

01:16:48.560 I'm taken from my home

01:16:49.700 straight down to Canterbury Court

01:16:51.220 where they've told me

01:16:52.260 because the judge

01:16:53.200 obviously this is embarrassing

01:16:54.060 for the judge

01:16:54.600 two other people

01:16:55.460 went and leafleted

01:16:56.680 the estate

01:16:57.520 where the men lived

01:16:58.320 those people were sent

01:16:59.220 straight to jail

01:16:59.840 Paul Golding

01:17:00.840 he was put straight in prison

01:17:02.120 for handing out leaflets

01:17:03.920 to warn the public

01:17:04.800 this man

01:17:05.380 and all these men

01:17:06.600 are now convicted

01:17:07.180 they've got 25 years

01:17:08.040 but they had their DNA anyway

01:17:10.140 so why are they out on the street

01:17:11.680 why are they still running a business

01:17:12.740 but this was Canterbury

01:17:13.580 so then I go for legal training

01:17:15.300 to make sure what I do

01:17:16.320 is legal and right

01:17:17.060 so they've put these

01:17:18.120 reporting restrictions on

01:17:18.980 so I stand outside the court case

01:17:20.200 and I report

01:17:21.720 30 men

01:17:22.800 are alleged to have made

01:17:24.200 are alleged

01:17:24.920 I said alleged

01:17:26.000 they could be innocent

01:17:26.760 these are the crimes

01:17:28.120 they're alleged to have done

01:17:28.840 and I'm warning the public

01:17:30.320 that these cases are going on

01:17:31.900 in every town and city

01:17:32.880 and you're not being told

01:17:33.800 the reality of the situation here

01:17:35.240 and these are the signs

01:17:36.920 and I read the men's names

01:17:38.860 because it was already

01:17:39.540 in the public domain

01:17:40.280 from when they first were charged

01:17:41.920 so I read everything

01:17:43.040 that was in the public domain

01:17:43.900 I stood outside court

01:17:45.280 and then the police

01:17:46.140 come over and arrest me

01:17:46.920 and they arrest me

01:17:48.500 for a breach of the peace

01:17:50.360 that's on camera

01:17:51.420 this video

01:17:51.960 and as they're arresting me

01:17:53.000 and handcuffing me

01:17:53.640 I'd only gone to work

01:17:55.780 I said get me a lawyer

01:17:56.600 and as I get put

01:17:57.940 in the back of the van

01:17:58.860 I said thank you

01:18:00.000 because millions

01:18:00.720 are now going to watch

01:18:01.700 the warning I've just given

01:18:02.740 I get taken into the judge

01:18:05.520 the judge sentenced me

01:18:07.600 to 13 months in jail

01:18:08.740 straight away

01:18:10.080 the judge lets the rapists go home

01:18:13.240 one of them packs his bags

01:18:14.700 and goes to Pakistan

01:18:15.480 he still never faced justice

01:18:16.620 so they all go home

01:18:18.140 I'm in jail

01:18:18.880 I'm the big risk

01:18:19.580 I've got 13 months in prison

01:18:21.440 and I remember getting to jail

01:18:23.280 that happened then

01:18:24.300 within two hours

01:18:25.060 within two hours

01:18:26.020 no court case

01:18:26.600 no trial

01:18:27.040 contempt of court

01:18:28.400 bang 13 months

01:18:30.100 and I remember standing there going

01:18:30.920 13 months

01:18:31.960 what for

01:18:32.480 what for

01:18:33.840 and this is

01:18:36.020 there's one case

01:18:36.940 where there's no jury

01:18:38.660 I didn't even get asked

01:18:40.020 to plead guilty or not guilty

01:18:40.860 which is the reason

01:18:42.140 they had to release me

01:18:42.840 in the end

01:18:43.100 so I get 13 months in jail

01:18:44.480 I get to prison

01:18:45.020 I ring my wife

01:18:45.580 I said I'm in jail

01:18:47.020 she's like what

01:18:48.560 I said I'm in prison

01:18:49.680 I've just been sentenced

01:18:50.280 to 13 months in jail

01:18:51.100 and prison for me

01:18:52.980 our prisons are literally

01:18:54.560 ISIS training camps

01:18:55.400 they've taken over control

01:18:56.340 the same in America

01:18:57.960 I've tried to give these warnings

01:18:58.860 for a long time

01:18:59.920 they will control your prison system

01:19:01.640 the most vulnerable

01:19:02.680 and weak in society

01:19:03.720 who have been wronged

01:19:04.680 their whole life

01:19:05.280 are going to be turned

01:19:06.120 against your country

01:19:06.860 because that's what they're doing

01:19:08.340 the money coming in

01:19:09.800 most of them are Salafism

01:19:12.420 they're controlling the prison

01:19:13.720 so prison for me

01:19:14.680 is a dangerous place

01:19:15.640 and I land in HMB Hull

01:19:17.280 which doesn't have many Muslims

01:19:18.900 so I think great

01:19:19.900 I'm alright here

01:19:21.480 so I spend two weeks in there

01:19:23.260 but what I don't know

01:19:24.280 is when the judge

01:19:25.280 sends me a 13 months in prison

01:19:26.400 he puts a reporting restriction

01:19:27.440 on anyone knowing

01:19:28.140 I've got 13 months in prison

01:19:29.160 so I'm in prison

01:19:30.820 everyone's saying

01:19:31.920 where's Tommy

01:19:32.400 but Rebel Media

01:19:35.120 and American journalists

01:19:36.500 have started saying

01:19:37.400 he's in jail

01:19:37.920 because they're not

01:19:38.500 bound by the court's things

01:19:40.180 so by the Monday

01:19:41.280 the judge has been forced

01:19:42.480 to release

01:19:42.980 and let people know

01:19:43.640 I'm in prison

01:19:44.120 at that point

01:19:45.220 684,000 people

01:19:47.420 signed a petition

01:19:48.060 demanding my release

01:19:49.060 because if you watch

01:19:50.120 the entirety of my video

01:19:51.120 I just stand and report

01:19:53.100 and I say

01:19:53.700 listen

01:19:54.040 they might be innocent

01:19:55.200 but this is what

01:19:56.140 the alleged crimes are

01:19:57.260 this is how many victims

01:19:58.420 of English girls there are

01:19:59.620 this is how many men there are

01:20:01.120 you need to be aware

01:20:02.200 as parents

01:20:02.680 this is what's happening

01:20:03.560 so I make the video

01:20:04.640 and the allegation was

01:20:05.860 that I breached

01:20:07.320 the reporting restriction

01:20:08.200 because they made

01:20:09.060 reporting restrictions on it

01:20:10.080 but by law

01:20:11.400 I didn't anyway

01:20:12.080 because the judge

01:20:12.700 has no power

01:20:13.160 to put a reporting restriction

01:20:13.940 on the information

01:20:14.500 that's already in the public domain

01:20:15.400 I was talking about

01:20:16.600 what was in the public domain

01:20:17.380 but I'm in jail

01:20:18.440 I'm there

01:20:19.220 then after two weeks

01:20:20.920 there's 30,000 people

01:20:23.480 marched on parliament

01:20:24.140 there's demonstrations

01:20:25.120 in Sydney

01:20:25.740 this is when?

01:20:26.940 this is 2017

01:20:28.120 stroke 18

01:20:29.020 this blew my name up

01:20:30.960 yeah

01:20:31.340 it blew up

01:20:32.180 so big

01:20:32.740 30,000 people

01:20:34.540 marched on parliament

01:20:35.280 there was a massive

01:20:36.080 free Tommy

01:20:37.000 it's called free Tommy

01:20:37.860 movement that was built

01:20:38.840 yeah

01:20:39.120 and then politicians

01:20:40.640 congressman Paul Gossard

01:20:41.880 he flew to London

01:20:43.780 Ambassador Brownback

01:20:46.980 part of Trump's team

01:20:49.060 contacted the government

01:20:50.040 to say make sure he's safe

01:20:51.360 what is going on

01:20:52.700 in the UK

01:20:53.340 Gert Wilders flew to Britain

01:20:54.960 lots of politicians

01:20:56.700 flew to Britain

01:20:57.300 and it was all blowing up

01:20:58.660 and I'm in jail

01:20:59.760 so I don't really know

01:21:00.440 what's going on

01:21:01.080 I'm in prison

01:21:01.700 and then after two weeks

01:21:02.560 they come and move me

01:21:03.420 and I said where am I going

01:21:04.280 and they took me to HMP

01:21:05.840 which has the largest

01:21:07.080 Muslim population

01:21:07.860 of any jail

01:21:08.400 in Great Britain

01:21:08.900 so as I get there

01:21:10.820 why would you do this

01:21:12.780 how does this make sense

01:21:14.560 to do this

01:21:15.120 and then when I got there

01:21:16.400 they said

01:21:16.660 so you're going to have

01:21:17.440 to self-isolate yourself

01:21:18.380 so I'm not self-isolating myself

01:21:20.660 why have you brought me here

01:21:22.360 I was fine

01:21:22.780 what's the reason

01:21:24.180 for bringing me here

01:21:24.900 and then

01:21:25.980 I said I'm not

01:21:27.380 self-isolating myself

01:21:28.140 if you put me

01:21:29.500 on that prison wing

01:21:30.400 I'm going to come

01:21:30.880 straight out of that prison door

01:21:31.800 and then I'm going to be

01:21:33.400 in a position

01:21:33.740 where I have to defend myself

01:21:34.720 but I am willing

01:21:35.520 to defend myself

01:21:36.220 I've done nothing wrong

01:21:37.920 to self-isolate

01:21:38.440 what they want you to do

01:21:39.360 when you get to prison

01:21:39.940 is if you ask for protection

01:21:41.220 you're put with paedophiles

01:21:42.520 so I've never

01:21:43.460 I've done nothing wrong

01:21:45.180 to warrant myself

01:21:46.620 being in this position

01:21:47.360 yes well it would be

01:21:47.960 very convenient

01:21:48.600 for those who aren't

01:21:49.520 very happy with you

01:21:50.380 to be classified

01:21:51.280 with the paedophiles

01:21:52.200 classified with paedophiles

01:21:53.200 or killed

01:21:53.780 right right

01:21:54.640 those are good alternatives

01:21:55.480 so six Muslims

01:21:57.120 were sentenced

01:21:58.100 to 30 years

01:21:58.940 for planning to kill me

01:21:59.820 they got caught

01:22:00.200 with guns and bombs

01:22:00.920 I get put into

01:22:02.660 Whiddle Prison

01:22:03.140 I'll go back to Onley

01:22:04.360 but I get put into

01:22:05.000 Whiddle Prison

01:22:05.500 I'm in the prison system

01:22:06.860 I go on to the

01:22:08.020 first night centre

01:22:08.680 my door opens

01:22:09.820 it's an ex-paratrooper

01:22:11.100 British armed military

01:22:12.940 who's now a prison officer

01:22:14.020 he said

01:22:14.940 when they come to get you

01:22:15.680 do not leave this cell

01:22:16.480 he said

01:22:17.060 I'm telling you

01:22:17.440 your life depends on you

01:22:18.620 I said

01:22:19.460 when they come

01:22:19.960 when who comes

01:22:20.500 when they come to get you

01:22:21.700 when they come to get you

01:22:22.820 I said

01:22:23.380 what do you mean

01:22:23.800 he said

01:22:24.140 when they come to get you

01:22:25.020 don't leave this cell Tommy

01:22:26.220 your life depends on it son

01:22:27.460 do not come out of this cell

01:22:28.980 so I said

01:22:29.940 alright

01:22:30.160 two hours later

01:22:31.240 my door opens

01:22:31.980 prison officers

01:22:32.620 he's with them

01:22:33.440 he said

01:22:34.260 right

01:22:34.440 you're going on to A-wing

01:22:35.180 and I said

01:22:36.280 I'm not going anywhere mate

01:22:37.060 and then I said

01:22:38.200 I'm not leaving this cell

01:22:38.980 I'm not coming out of this cell

01:22:40.120 and he said

01:22:40.580 if you don't leave this cell

01:22:41.700 I'm going to arrest you

01:22:42.560 and you're going to be put down

01:22:43.340 into solitary confinement

01:22:44.580 you're going to be arrested

01:22:45.520 I said

01:22:46.320 okay

01:22:46.640 so he said

01:22:47.700 okay

01:22:47.960 you're arrested

01:22:48.540 and then I'm separated

01:22:49.960 he then comes to see me

01:22:51.800 he said

01:22:52.040 you're going on A-wing

01:22:53.160 that's where the six Muslims are

01:22:54.480 who are doing 30 years

01:22:55.560 you're dead

01:22:57.040 they're handing you to them

01:22:58.280 you're dead

01:22:58.780 so I said

01:23:00.300 okay

01:23:00.600 and then I'm obviously

01:23:01.580 thinking Jesus

01:23:02.280 he said

01:23:03.840 and I write her name

01:23:05.300 he said

01:23:05.580 the woman would be done

01:23:06.300 for corporate manslaughter

01:23:07.600 but it's too late for you

01:23:08.820 by that point

01:23:09.360 so I said

01:23:09.780 okay

01:23:10.040 the next day

01:23:10.900 I have a meeting

01:23:11.180 with my lawyer

01:23:11.620 and I go for the meeting

01:23:12.560 with my lawyer

01:23:12.920 and then there's a waiting room

01:23:14.360 say like this

01:23:14.960 and I've had my meeting

01:23:16.060 and this is the visits

01:23:18.000 waiting room

01:23:18.560 for illegals

01:23:19.560 and they opened the door

01:23:20.660 and I walked in

01:23:21.180 I saw Beards

01:23:21.860 but they was as shocked

01:23:23.060 to see me

01:23:23.520 as I was to see them

01:23:24.460 so I was like okay

01:23:25.800 so I didn't even sit down

01:23:27.200 I stood on my back to the wall

01:23:28.800 they locked the door

01:23:29.500 and I said

01:23:30.380 as soon as they locked the door

01:23:31.280 boom

01:23:31.720 I lost my teeth

01:23:33.380 so I'm getting battered

01:23:34.760 in this little room

01:23:35.400 but they literally

01:23:36.000 put me in the room with them

01:23:37.100 yeah

01:23:37.280 and who exactly

01:23:38.780 were you in the room with?

01:23:39.600 Muslims

01:23:39.840 just Muslim prisoners

01:23:40.620 Muslim prisoners

01:23:41.620 because obviously

01:23:42.260 I'm the most outspoken

01:23:43.220 of Islam

01:23:44.160 the prison systems

01:23:46.000 but the Muslims

01:23:46.640 didn't know I was coming in

01:23:47.340 if they did

01:23:47.700 I'd be dead

01:23:48.440 I'd be dead

01:23:49.160 they'd have weapons waiting

01:23:50.380 because I could see

01:23:51.300 by their faces

01:23:51.780 they've all looked at each other

01:23:52.620 and I'm looking for you

01:23:53.740 but there's about

01:23:54.400 eight, nine prisoners

01:23:55.160 in the room

01:23:55.640 there's only three Muslims

01:23:56.640 but they just

01:23:57.260 anyway

01:23:57.780 what feels like

01:23:59.040 ten minutes

01:23:59.460 was probably 60 seconds

01:24:00.660 the prison officers

01:24:01.740 have come in

01:24:02.220 they've broke it all up

01:24:03.000 I've lost my front teeth

01:24:04.360 in there

01:24:04.700 I'm then transferred

01:24:06.120 to another prison

01:24:06.820 and this is each time

01:24:07.580 I've gone through

01:24:08.000 the prison system

01:24:08.700 so in this one

01:24:09.940 where I was reporting

01:24:10.700 I've been put into

01:24:12.820 H&P only

01:24:13.980 and I said

01:24:14.960 I'm not locking myself away

01:24:16.800 they said

01:24:17.740 okay

01:24:17.940 well you're going to go

01:24:19.520 on solitary confinement

01:24:20.180 but I said

01:24:21.240 why have you brought me here?

01:24:22.280 you put me in this position now

01:24:23.420 so they put me on

01:24:23.980 solitary confinement

01:24:24.580 and this is the sentence

01:24:25.920 where

01:24:26.260 I went into

01:24:27.660 I'd say

01:24:28.120 I entered jail

01:24:28.920 one person

01:24:29.380 come out another

01:24:29.980 so how long

01:24:31.560 were you in solitary?

01:24:32.320 on this one

01:24:33.380 was 12 weeks

01:24:34.320 but I lost

01:24:35.700 I lost

01:24:36.500 30 pounds

01:24:38.340 yeah

01:24:38.680 because

01:24:39.440 your prison is brought

01:24:40.960 to your cell door

01:24:41.580 and it has your name on it

01:24:43.500 and the Muslims

01:24:44.380 it's a majority Muslim prison

01:24:45.820 who all run the servery

01:24:47.180 who are all

01:24:47.920 preparing the food

01:24:49.240 so I said

01:24:49.920 I need tinned food

01:24:50.820 I can't eat food

01:24:51.880 that's been put on my cell door

01:24:52.760 so I had five tins of tuna

01:24:54.480 a week

01:24:55.020 that's what I could afford to buy

01:24:56.080 so I thought

01:24:57.080 that's all I ate

01:24:58.220 yeah

01:24:58.400 and I thought I was alright

01:24:59.740 but then even little things

01:25:01.160 like they come to my door

01:25:02.440 and they open the door

01:25:03.920 and said

01:25:04.080 where's your wife?

01:25:05.760 and in my solitary confinement

01:25:07.880 they used to transfer me

01:25:09.100 my wife worked at a school

01:25:10.260 and my kids were at school

01:25:11.140 yeah

01:25:11.480 so the only time

01:25:12.520 they could get me out

01:25:13.360 the whole prison would be locked up

01:25:14.760 at lunchtime

01:25:15.540 they'd then walk me

01:25:16.840 to have a little exercise

01:25:18.360 in the courtyard

01:25:18.920 on my own

01:25:19.500 and have a shower

01:25:20.340 and the only time

01:25:21.720 they'd do that

01:25:22.240 is during lunchtime

01:25:23.440 yeah

01:25:23.660 so my wife's at work

01:25:24.900 I can't even speak

01:25:25.840 to my family

01:25:26.320 yeah

01:25:26.560 because usually

01:25:28.000 to people understand

01:25:29.240 the British prison system

01:25:29.940 you're out of your cell

01:25:30.680 for eight hours a day

01:25:31.500 you've got a job

01:25:32.340 you're going to work

01:25:32.880 you're playing football

01:25:33.420 you're going to the gym

01:25:33.960 yeah

01:25:34.280 I was totally

01:25:35.360 you're isolated

01:25:36.200 you're on 23 and a half hour

01:25:37.320 lock up on your own

01:25:38.160 in a room

01:25:38.780 and I was upset about it

01:25:40.760 obviously

01:25:40.980 but then they come and said

01:25:41.780 where's your wife?

01:25:42.660 I said I don't know

01:25:43.080 where my wife is

01:25:43.520 why?

01:25:44.560 we have intelligence

01:25:45.220 she's going to be

01:25:45.740 attacked with acid

01:25:46.640 and then they just shut the door

01:25:48.660 and then they just shut the door

01:25:50.000 and it's like

01:25:50.880 and I can't even use the phone

01:25:52.300 but they knocked on my wife's door

01:25:53.820 on my mum's door

01:25:54.320 the police did

01:25:54.980 and they gave them pieces of paper

01:25:56.760 and the sad sick thing about this is

01:25:59.220 I don't even believe

01:26:00.400 they probably did have intelligence

01:26:01.640 I believe that all of this

01:26:03.540 and it worked

01:26:04.240 all of this is for pressure

01:26:05.900 for stress

01:26:06.580 to make you break

01:26:07.980 yeah

01:26:08.300 essentially

01:26:08.820 because they didn't need to put me in HMP only

01:26:10.620 I was fine in HMP whole

01:26:12.520 yeah

01:26:12.860 so they purposely moved me

01:26:14.400 to a majority Muslim custody

01:26:17.260 then they used that

01:26:18.420 to put me on solitary confinement

01:26:19.360 then I had this issue

01:26:20.460 with my wife

01:26:21.040 and my mum

01:26:22.320 and then when I got to ring them

01:26:23.460 and then

01:26:24.280 and then

01:26:25.200 they put me where my cell was

01:26:26.760 literally

01:26:27.300 my cell's here

01:26:28.160 and it was so hot that summer

01:26:29.500 and you can open your window this much

01:26:31.240 and there's

01:26:31.980 the building they use

01:26:33.580 is the mosque

01:26:33.980 is there

01:26:34.280 the building they use

01:26:35.320 is the mosque

01:26:35.680 is there

01:26:35.880 I was getting shit

01:26:36.760 like human faeces

01:26:37.940 put through my window

01:26:38.900 yeah

01:26:39.240 so I had

01:26:39.940 and prisoners at my door

01:26:41.260 every day

01:26:41.820 so I had all this going on

01:26:43.360 and then

01:26:43.960 it gets to the court of appeal

01:26:45.260 so what was this doing to you?

01:26:48.100 at the time

01:26:48.600 I didn't realise

01:26:49.300 it was doing anything

01:26:49.880 at the time

01:26:50.760 at the time I felt alright

01:26:52.080 at the time

01:26:52.880 how come?

01:26:53.700 how could you possibly feel alright?

01:26:55.460 because I was

01:26:56.000 I was receiving

01:26:57.580 a lot of mail

01:26:58.380 which I was reading every day

01:26:59.440 I had my head on

01:27:01.580 the sentence

01:27:02.400 but what I mean is

01:27:04.040 obviously

01:27:04.700 when I say I felt alright

01:27:07.120 obviously I was panicked

01:27:08.620 I was waiting for them

01:27:09.440 to leave the door open one day

01:27:10.560 every time

01:27:11.540 I heard the prison screws

01:27:12.540 I got by the door ready

01:27:13.440 because I thought

01:27:14.200 if you open that door

01:27:14.880 I need to be ready

01:27:15.520 for who's coming in that door

01:27:16.560 so I was totally on edge

01:27:18.220 the whole time

01:27:18.740 okay

01:27:19.060 totally on edge

01:27:20.480 I was a wreck

01:27:21.580 probably

01:27:22.060 yeah

01:27:22.300 well the thing is

01:27:23.840 in a situation like that

01:27:25.080 you answered my question

01:27:26.420 in a situation like that

01:27:28.000 your stress response

01:27:29.600 prepares you

01:27:30.420 for action

01:27:31.140 and so you'll be okay

01:27:33.140 while that's happening

01:27:34.020 the problem is

01:27:35.300 is that when you're doing that

01:27:36.420 your body is

01:27:37.220 hyper aroused

01:27:38.680 physiologically

01:27:39.420 and it burns up

01:27:40.660 your future resources

01:27:41.760 that's when I got out

01:27:42.480 that's exactly what happens

01:27:44.280 is that

01:27:44.660 so all those resources

01:27:45.980 that should be saved

01:27:46.980 for the future

01:27:47.580 you're burning in the moment

01:27:48.620 then when you go somewhere

01:27:50.540 and the stress is lessened

01:27:52.200 then that response will stop

01:27:54.240 and you'll feel the consequences

01:27:55.400 so as I said

01:27:56.980 I thought I was alright

01:27:57.740 and I'd lost a lot of weight

01:27:59.100 so I thought I looked alright

01:28:00.020 and then after 11 weeks

01:28:01.540 I had no idea

01:28:02.340 carnivore diet

01:28:03.460 yeah

01:28:03.840 tin of tuna

01:28:05.580 yeah

01:28:06.300 tin of tuna

01:28:07.500 but I was in

01:28:08.180 and then

01:28:08.520 and then bang bang bang bang

01:28:10.100 my door goes

01:28:11.080 and there's another prisoner

01:28:12.200 he said

01:28:12.520 you're going home

01:28:13.180 you're going home

01:28:14.240 I said

01:28:15.100 what are you talking about

01:28:15.800 he said

01:28:16.100 you're going home

01:28:16.740 it's everywhere

01:28:17.340 it's all over the news

01:28:18.240 so how can I be going home

01:28:19.580 I've got 13 months

01:28:21.300 I've been in there 3 months

01:28:22.500 yeah

01:28:22.780 so how can I be going home

01:28:24.420 and it had gone to the court of appeal

01:28:26.220 but my solicitor didn't tell me

01:28:27.280 yeah

01:28:27.580 my solicitor said

01:28:28.220 I didn't want to get your hopes up

01:28:29.240 yeah

01:28:29.480 everything they done was unlawful

01:28:31.620 okay

01:28:31.820 everything they done was unlawful

01:28:33.040 but because of what my lawyers have seen

01:28:34.820 with my cases

01:28:35.500 we didn't want to tell you

01:28:37.440 you're going to get out

01:28:38.080 we've looked at

01:28:39.140 you didn't get asked to plead guilty

01:28:40.680 or not guilty

01:28:41.160 no due process was followed in court

01:28:42.940 yeah

01:28:43.240 but it took them

01:28:44.160 it took them 11 weeks

01:28:45.500 or 12 weeks

01:28:46.040 to get to before the judge

01:28:47.580 so when they got before the judge

01:28:48.800 the judge said

01:28:50.200 let free him

01:28:51.160 yeah

01:28:51.620 get him out of prison

01:28:52.740 so then I remember

01:28:54.260 I had such a dry throat

01:28:55.420 because then they got me up

01:28:56.400 and I was due

01:28:57.680 it's mad

01:28:58.220 because I was

01:28:58.700 I always book a holiday

01:28:59.760 a year in advance

01:29:00.560 yeah

01:29:00.840 which is the problem

01:29:01.520 I've got coming up now as well

01:29:02.380 I always book a holiday

01:29:03.220 a year in advance

01:29:03.840 for my children

01:29:04.300 and

01:29:05.000 we were meant to go on holiday

01:29:06.820 we were going on holiday

01:29:08.020 to Tenerife

01:29:08.780 the next day

01:29:10.100 yeah

01:29:10.420 so when they got me out

01:29:11.980 at lunchtime

01:29:13.380 obviously it's all over the news

01:29:14.760 I'm going home

01:29:15.220 so I said

01:29:15.500 how long until I can

01:29:16.240 I leave

01:29:17.040 they said

01:29:17.360 they're just preparing

01:29:17.940 everything now

01:29:18.620 yeah

01:29:18.960 so I said

01:29:19.780 can I use the phone

01:29:20.420 so I rang

01:29:21.060 I rang my solicitor

01:29:21.920 I said

01:29:22.520 what's going on

01:29:23.660 he said

01:29:24.560 you're free to go Tommy

01:29:25.740 you're free to go

01:29:26.380 what do you mean

01:29:26.840 I'm free to go

01:29:27.340 am I under conditions

01:29:28.720 he goes

01:29:29.520 no you're free

01:29:30.020 so then I rang my

01:29:31.500 then I rang my wife

01:29:32.440 because the holiday's

01:29:33.820 the next day

01:29:34.200 and I said

01:29:34.660 tell you mum

01:29:35.940 that must make you thirsty

01:29:37.360 yeah yeah

01:29:38.000 I think I better have a drink

01:29:38.900 Tommy this is what I'm going to do

01:29:40.560 so we're running out of time

01:29:41.920 and we're only at 2018

01:29:43.520 so I would like to continue this

01:29:45.580 we'll do this

01:29:46.120 another interview

01:29:46.860 we'll do it remotely

01:29:47.660 and we'll do part two

01:29:48.900 okay

01:29:49.220 okay

01:29:49.660 for now I think what I'll do

01:29:51.500 is I'll ask you

01:29:52.560 to tell me what you're planning

01:29:55.180 in London

01:29:55.640 on the 27th of July

01:29:57.460 so 27th of July

01:29:59.020 you see in the UK

01:30:00.320 we've turned a corner

01:30:01.780 with the public

01:30:02.540 there's been a massive

01:30:03.600 we meaning

01:30:04.260 we meaning the British public

01:30:05.960 have been made to feel embarrassed

01:30:07.700 of their identity

01:30:08.440 and their culture

01:30:09.020 for too long

01:30:09.620 we've felt under attack

01:30:11.100 since October 7th

01:30:13.640 there's been a mass awakening

01:30:14.700 so all the things

01:30:15.880 we've warned about

01:30:16.700 like every interview

01:30:18.580 I've given

01:30:19.080 has aged very well

01:30:20.260 for me

01:30:20.620 every issue I've spoke about

01:30:22.680 has come into fruition

01:30:23.620 not because I'm a genius

01:30:25.320 not because I've got

01:30:26.600 anything special

01:30:27.600 it's because I was born

01:30:28.840 in a town

01:30:29.400 where I witnessed

01:30:30.520 what mass open border

01:30:31.740 Islamic immigration

01:30:32.860 will do

01:30:33.600 and you told the truth

01:30:34.680 that's right

01:30:35.200 that's the other thing

01:30:35.960 and you told the truth

01:30:36.680 that's why

01:30:37.660 so why did you

01:30:39.820 no there's a mystery

01:30:41.220 there still

01:30:41.660 it's not merely

01:30:42.580 a consequence

01:30:43.240 of where you were born

01:30:44.200 you know

01:30:44.580 you grew up

01:30:45.780 with good parents

01:30:46.940 yeah

01:30:47.780 and that has really

01:30:48.740 been instrumental

01:30:50.360 in your values

01:30:52.000 right

01:30:52.900 yes

01:30:53.560 and your dedication

01:30:54.980 for telling the truth

01:30:57.360 and finding

01:30:58.000 and having the courage

01:30:59.500 to do what you

01:31:00.180 your convictions

01:31:01.040 you have convictions

01:31:02.100 and you go forward

01:31:04.220 and you want to tell

01:31:04.880 the truth

01:31:05.220 where's that come from

01:31:06.300 probably I said

01:31:07.520 probably even if

01:31:08.860 even if I didn't want to

01:31:10.420 because

01:31:11.360 probably if you meet

01:31:13.140 the people I've met

01:31:13.880 and hear the stories

01:31:14.640 I've had

01:31:14.940 okay

01:31:15.180 see the other thing

01:31:16.300 that happened to me

01:31:17.040 you see when I was young

01:31:18.200 23

01:31:18.800 a lot younger than that

01:31:19.900 I started this

01:31:20.480 when I was 13

01:31:21.120 I started looking

01:31:22.440 at the worst things

01:31:23.660 I could find

01:31:24.580 right

01:31:25.340 I started that

01:31:25.940 when I was 13

01:31:26.600 the first thing I did

01:31:27.700 that was seriously

01:31:28.480 academic

01:31:29.340 was a report

01:31:30.660 on prison guards

01:31:32.480 in Auschwitz

01:31:33.100 and I spent

01:31:34.640 the rest of my life

01:31:35.420 investigating that

01:31:36.320 looking at the worst

01:31:37.400 things I could find

01:31:38.400 and the thing about

01:31:39.140 we're looking at

01:31:39.780 the worst things

01:31:40.440 is that

01:31:40.980 that horrifies you

01:31:42.800 so badly

01:31:43.420 that I think

01:31:44.540 it's

01:31:44.740 I think what it does

01:31:46.040 is scare you straight

01:31:47.520 I know

01:31:48.780 which I tried having

01:31:49.840 these conversations

01:31:50.420 with my now ex-wife

01:31:51.360 if you think you're worried

01:31:53.840 now I know

01:31:54.340 what the consequences

01:31:54.860 yeah right

01:31:55.400 exactly

01:31:55.960 I know what's coming

01:31:57.080 I've got three

01:31:57.680 beautiful children

01:31:58.280 if anyone's got a fight

01:32:00.100 I'll fight

01:32:00.780 they're not fighting

01:32:01.380 and what our cowardice

01:32:04.020 is currently doing

01:32:04.580 we've bred a generation

01:32:05.380 of cowards

01:32:05.860 who care about themselves

01:32:07.300 and half my friends

01:32:09.040 were the same

01:32:09.460 I'm alright

01:32:10.200 I've got enough money

01:32:11.520 I'm okay

01:32:12.020 you can't keep running

01:32:12.960 from this problem

01:32:13.500 this problem isn't

01:32:14.320 going anywhere

01:32:14.800 this problem is going

01:32:16.040 to explode

01:32:16.680 on October 7th

01:32:18.180 in fact the longer

01:32:18.920 you run from it

01:32:19.720 the larger it will be

01:32:20.660 absolutely

01:32:21.360 100%

01:32:22.560 October 7th

01:32:23.500 really woke a lot

01:32:24.080 of people up

01:32:24.800 to see

01:32:25.480 not

01:32:25.820 it happened in Israel

01:32:27.460 but to see

01:32:28.460 the level of hate

01:32:29.260 in every university

01:32:30.280 to see that our

01:32:30.880 institutions have been

01:32:31.600 taken over

01:32:32.080 to see the level

01:32:32.960 of aggression

01:32:33.380 and the celebration

01:32:34.420 from not just a handful

01:32:36.380 we're not talking about

01:32:37.000 handfuls of extremists

01:32:37.940 we're talking about

01:32:38.360 the mainstream

01:32:38.780 we're talking about

01:32:39.340 the Democrats

01:32:40.200 the Democrats

01:32:41.700 the Labour Party

01:32:42.560 and we've seen

01:32:44.000 a massive

01:32:44.440 so there's been

01:32:45.080 a real wake up

01:32:46.200 and my messages

01:32:47.560 if I go through them

01:32:48.380 every day

01:32:48.840 are full of people

01:32:49.660 who said I hated you

01:32:50.520 I thought you was a thug

01:32:52.320 I thought you was a thug

01:32:52.580 and I'm not perfect

01:32:54.280 and I've made mistakes

01:32:55.320 because that's human

01:32:55.960 and what I've done

01:32:57.500 the whole way

01:32:57.880 through my activism

01:32:58.580 and my career

01:32:59.280 and now my journalism

01:33:00.420 is whenever they've

01:33:01.760 tried to stop me talking

01:33:02.900 I think no

01:33:03.920 that's not like

01:33:04.800 if you tell me

01:33:06.220 not to do something

01:33:06.740 I will do it

01:33:07.260 that's always been my way

01:33:08.120 it's my character

01:33:08.840 and I'm right

01:33:11.240 and I remember

01:33:12.080 my wife's dad

01:33:13.680 saying stop

01:33:14.700 please stop

01:33:15.660 like do you not

01:33:16.160 see the danger here

01:33:17.120 I said am I wrong

01:33:18.320 am I wrong

01:33:19.440 no

01:33:20.000 so why should I stop

01:33:21.320 well because they're

01:33:22.020 threatening us

01:33:22.560 because they're

01:33:23.280 trying to intimidate us

01:33:23.960 so every bit of police

01:33:24.860 threatening

01:33:25.220 this incident in Canada

01:33:26.580 well that doesn't deter me

01:33:28.380 you locking me up

01:33:29.640 even if you want to

01:33:30.200 put me in jail

01:33:30.640 it's not going to deter me

01:33:31.480 if you're going to put me

01:33:32.380 in prison now for this film

01:33:33.420 and I can't understand

01:33:34.900 they make the same mistakes

01:33:35.880 every time

01:33:36.340 yeah

01:33:36.560 yeah it's amazing

01:33:37.740 you lock me up for this film

01:33:38.820 yeah

01:33:39.220 I hope every single person

01:33:40.360 in the world talks about it

01:33:40.900 yeah right

01:33:41.360 I hope you bring more eyes

01:33:43.120 to that film

01:33:43.640 so I'll go to jail

01:33:44.460 jail for me is a terrifying

01:33:45.760 I might not come out

01:33:46.780 of that prison sentence

01:33:47.540 and if I do

01:33:48.000 I'm going to do

01:33:48.460 solitary confinement

01:33:49.360 which is going to fry my head

01:33:50.560 but I've gone through

01:33:52.420 15 years of this

01:33:53.340 yeah

01:33:53.660 and I am committed to it

01:33:55.280 and I think that

01:33:56.180 I think that the

01:33:57.540 when I say they

01:33:58.500 they have underestimated

01:34:00.260 the human spirit

01:34:01.000 and certainly the British spirit

01:34:02.520 yeah

01:34:02.820 and what you saw

01:34:03.480 I hope so

01:34:04.120 what you saw on the 1st of June

01:34:05.200 was the British spirit

01:34:05.940 and what you're going to see

01:34:06.640 on July 27th

01:34:08.440 is

01:34:08.700 what are we going to see

01:34:09.720 on July 27th

01:34:09.940 you're going to see

01:34:10.340 the largest gathering

01:34:11.340 of unified British public

01:34:13.380 that they've seen

01:34:14.360 and when I say unified

01:34:15.540 they like to separate us

01:34:17.160 and divide us

01:34:17.920 yeah

01:34:18.100 like my politics

01:34:19.660 and my

01:34:20.340 since starting

01:34:22.380 the English Defence League

01:34:23.160 yeah

01:34:23.360 has always been open

01:34:24.400 to everyone

01:34:24.860 okay

01:34:25.280 I don't care if you come

01:34:26.140 into Great Britain

01:34:26.620 yesterday

01:34:26.900 you love this country

01:34:27.820 and you want to protect it

01:34:28.600 come and join us

01:34:29.680 yeah

01:34:29.820 and we saw

01:34:30.900 so whilst they've tried

01:34:32.020 to label us as racist

01:34:33.120 extremists

01:34:33.780 it doesn't work

01:34:34.520 their monopoly

01:34:35.260 and their power

01:34:35.780 has gone

01:34:36.220 and we saw that

01:34:37.180 on June the 1st

01:34:37.880 with the total

01:34:38.580 with the

01:34:39.240 the different

01:34:40.060 diverse backgrounds

01:34:41.120 that come up

01:34:41.680 to celebrate

01:34:42.400 British identity

01:34:43.140 yeah

01:34:43.480 which is what being British

01:34:44.620 is about

01:34:45.000 and we're going to celebrate

01:34:46.140 it on July 27th

01:34:47.620 two days later

01:34:48.820 they believe

01:34:49.560 they're going to lock me up

01:34:50.620 and the problem

01:34:51.620 they have

01:34:52.120 now

01:34:52.680 I had a recent court case

01:34:54.000 on 26th of November

01:34:55.280 you may have seen me

01:34:55.820 arrested in London

01:34:56.560 at the anti-Semitism rally

01:34:57.760 which the world saw me

01:34:59.020 do nothing wrong

01:34:59.780 yeah

01:35:00.060 they come and told me

01:35:01.740 I wasn't allowed to report

01:35:02.420 now years ago

01:35:03.580 like when the media

01:35:05.060 got up and walked out of court

01:35:06.120 yeah

01:35:06.460 they could do that

01:35:07.620 now we have citizen journalists

01:35:08.840 thank you

01:35:09.580 Elon Musk

01:35:10.160 yeah

01:35:10.360 thank you Elon Musk

01:35:11.880 because

01:35:12.380 in my court case

01:35:13.860 in whatever court case now

01:35:15.240 there will be a row

01:35:15.960 of the most influential

01:35:17.160 citizen journalists

01:35:18.000 who will be live

01:35:18.960 right

01:35:19.220 in every single word

01:35:20.700 so they can't control

01:35:21.860 the narrative anymore

01:35:22.540 not at the minute

01:35:23.180 yeah

01:35:23.500 not since people

01:35:24.220 have got platforms

01:35:24.740 and voices again

01:35:25.420 so on July 27th

01:35:26.820 you're going to see

01:35:27.160 the largest gathering

01:35:27.920 we have

01:35:28.400 three of the largest

01:35:29.820 screens in the UK

01:35:30.680 being put up

01:35:31.560 in Trafalgar Square

01:35:32.280 we know everyone

01:35:33.500 wants us to fail

01:35:34.160 we knew that on June the 1st

01:35:35.520 yeah

01:35:35.860 we didn't fail

01:35:36.440 it was a total success

01:35:37.380 July 27th

01:35:38.500 will be a total success

01:35:39.440 if all I care about

01:35:40.940 and that's why I said

01:35:41.720 this may be the most

01:35:42.660 important interview I give

01:35:43.660 is that freedom of press

01:35:45.300 freedom of speech

01:35:46.220 freedom of assembly

01:35:46.840 have gone

01:35:47.220 okay

01:35:47.620 they're gone

01:35:48.040 we have a controlled media

01:35:49.320 totally controlled media

01:35:50.640 you challenge any narrative

01:35:52.000 this isn't just open border immigration

01:35:53.400 you go against transgenderism

01:35:55.080 you challenge any of them

01:35:56.180 yes I've noticed

01:35:57.100 they're coming for you

01:35:57.980 they're coming for you

01:35:58.960 and they wish to seek

01:36:00.020 and control everything

01:36:01.000 they wish to

01:36:02.000 I saw the WEF

01:36:03.300 put out an ad

01:36:04.140 I don't exactly know

01:36:05.580 when they released it

01:36:06.440 telling people not to

01:36:08.120 launder their genes

01:36:10.140 more than once a month

01:36:11.520 right

01:36:12.120 because yeah

01:36:13.180 it produces too much

01:36:14.120 carbon dioxide

01:36:14.860 right

01:36:15.640 t-shirts too by the way

01:36:17.040 which is everything

01:36:17.640 you can wash your underwear

01:36:18.720 more regularly

01:36:19.800 according to the WEF

01:36:21.220 those bastards

01:36:22.040 will seek to control

01:36:23.200 absolutely everything

01:36:24.620 that people do

01:36:25.380 and all the jigsaw

01:36:26.240 is fitting together

01:36:27.020 because everything

01:36:27.940 we've spoke about

01:36:29.000 all fits in

01:36:30.080 with this total element

01:36:31.020 of control

01:36:31.620 yeah

01:36:31.900 they want

01:36:32.600 and unfortunately

01:36:33.860 when I was deplatformed

01:36:35.080 for five years

01:36:35.720 off of every single

01:36:36.620 social media

01:36:37.160 yeah

01:36:37.360 every single social media

01:36:38.560 I made a documentary

01:36:39.960 called Panorama

01:36:40.720 okay

01:36:41.220 now Panorama

01:36:42.040 are the BBC's

01:36:42.780 most investigative

01:36:43.400 journalist piece

01:36:44.340 when they were doing

01:36:45.520 a documentary on me

01:36:46.260 I sent a girl

01:36:46.820 undercover into them

01:36:47.520 yeah

01:36:47.900 and they had no idea

01:36:49.020 okay

01:36:49.400 I got them

01:36:50.300 making up

01:36:51.360 sexual allegations

01:36:52.100 against me

01:36:52.600 on covert recording

01:36:53.940 yeah

01:36:54.320 I got them

01:36:55.180 so John Sweeney

01:36:55.940 was the head of Panorama

01:36:56.760 yeah

01:36:57.100 I produced this documentary

01:36:58.520 their programme about me

01:36:59.820 never come out

01:37:00.320 I produced this documentary

01:37:01.220 he was put on

01:37:01.860 Gardening Leaf

01:37:02.480 yeah

01:37:02.940 when I talk about

01:37:04.560 the controlled media

01:37:05.260 when I got these

01:37:06.260 covert recordings

01:37:06.980 he was telling

01:37:07.760 he sat someone down

01:37:09.040 and said

01:37:09.340 say this about

01:37:10.020 Tommy Robinson

01:37:10.540 and it

01:37:11.280 do we have an agreement

01:37:12.180 yeah

01:37:12.600 and it was one of my

01:37:13.480 ex-employees

01:37:14.160 but they didn't know

01:37:14.760 we were recording

01:37:15.160 so they were telling

01:37:16.220 them what to say

01:37:16.840 they were scripting

01:37:17.880 the entire programme

01:37:18.680 how many other

01:37:19.380 of these programmes

01:37:19.900 have been scripted

01:37:20.540 but they were scripting

01:37:21.500 the entire programme

01:37:22.100 when they come to

01:37:22.920 interview me

01:37:23.320 and I sat down

01:37:23.860 like this

01:37:24.240 I put a video

01:37:25.560 wall behind me

01:37:26.220 and I said to the

01:37:27.200 Panorama

01:37:27.620 would you ever tell

01:37:28.480 anyone what to say

01:37:29.160 no

01:37:30.140 press play

01:37:30.780 on the wall

01:37:31.700 behind me

01:37:32.260 the covert recording

01:37:33.560 of him making

01:37:34.180 agreements

01:37:34.600 on what to say

01:37:35.180 sexual allegations

01:37:36.440 now if they would

01:37:37.300 have been successful

01:37:37.940 my life would have

01:37:38.840 been destroyed

01:37:39.240 my kids would have

01:37:39.720 had to go to school

01:37:40.220 with their father

01:37:40.820 as a Harvey Weinstein

01:37:41.900 but I produced

01:37:43.840 this documentary

01:37:44.380 within 48 hours

01:37:45.500 of producing that

01:37:46.180 documentary

01:37:46.560 I was blacklisted

01:37:47.880 of every social media

01:37:49.080 and I was recharged

01:37:50.380 by the government

01:37:50.960 this case that's

01:37:52.000 coming up against me

01:37:52.520 now is the government

01:37:53.100 it's not the police

01:37:53.740 it's the government

01:37:54.340 the Attorney General

01:37:55.100 now Facebook

01:37:56.300 and Meta

01:37:57.400 the entire Meta

01:37:58.040 made me a figure of hate

01:37:59.080 which meant

01:37:59.420 if you mention my name

01:38:00.400 you get deleted

01:38:01.020 and they were so

01:38:03.260 because

01:38:03.940 you see again

01:38:05.080 my investigative

01:38:06.820 documentary work

01:38:08.140 is fabulous

01:38:08.840 it exposes them

01:38:10.220 and they deleted me

01:38:11.760 and for five years

01:38:12.740 I was disappeared

01:38:14.140 until Elon Musk

01:38:15.940 gave me back my voice

01:38:16.600 in those five years

01:38:18.000 I think

01:38:18.300 I don't know

01:38:19.280 who got back first

01:38:20.660 you or me

01:38:21.220 I don't remember

01:38:21.860 I think I might have

01:38:22.600 got back first

01:38:23.420 means I'm somewhat

01:38:24.860 less controversial

01:38:25.760 than you

01:38:26.200 so congratulations

01:38:27.020 so Tam

01:38:29.040 do you have

01:38:29.700 we should wrap up

01:38:30.700 and we will

01:38:31.220 no I don't have

01:38:31.940 you don't have

01:38:32.760 any questions

01:38:33.320 no I just want to

01:38:34.260 thank you

01:38:34.640 I really want to

01:38:35.480 thank you

01:38:35.820 yeah so maybe

01:38:36.940 let me ask you

01:38:37.700 a question

01:38:38.120 I mean

01:38:38.440 you

01:38:39.420 I've been following

01:38:40.260 Tommy for quite a while

01:38:41.220 but you were quite

01:38:42.120 instrumental in arranging

01:38:43.240 this discussion

01:38:44.340 so why did you do that

01:38:45.560 why

01:38:45.880 very long time ago

01:38:46.880 and supporting you

01:38:47.780 as well

01:38:48.440 why did I want to do it

01:38:50.140 yeah

01:38:50.800 why do you trust him

01:38:53.200 why do I trust him

01:38:54.820 I don't know

01:38:55.400 I had a pretty

01:38:55.940 disagreeable Irish father

01:38:57.620 and he was

01:38:59.560 and he was a smart ass

01:39:00.720 you know

01:39:01.680 and I trust Donald Trump

01:39:05.020 I trusted Donald Trump

01:39:06.720 all along too

01:39:07.540 I don't know

01:39:08.860 I just

01:39:09.580 I know when

01:39:10.540 you like disagreeable men

01:39:11.800 I like men

01:39:12.920 who have

01:39:13.600 values

01:39:15.480 that they'll stand by

01:39:16.600 and

01:39:17.320 and they are brave

01:39:18.940 and say what they mean

01:39:20.220 I

01:39:20.540 I think we need

01:39:21.640 men to stand up

01:39:24.220 and I need

01:39:24.800 we need women

01:39:25.820 to figure out

01:39:26.980 their crap

01:39:27.520 because we're causing

01:39:28.420 a lot of trouble

01:39:29.380 and I'm going to try

01:39:30.280 to help with that

01:39:31.060 I think we need to remember

01:39:33.300 who we are

01:39:33.900 well so

01:39:34.440 so one of the things

01:39:35.380 that maybe we'll close

01:39:36.340 with this

01:39:36.720 one of the things

01:39:37.360 that I'm

01:39:37.820 very interested in

01:39:39.100 this is part of the reason

01:39:40.020 why I was interested in you

01:39:41.080 is because

01:39:41.560 you are a working class

01:39:45.760 leader

01:39:46.660 and

01:39:48.260 the working class

01:39:51.160 when angry

01:39:52.100 can go very

01:39:53.260 very badly wrong

01:39:54.200 and so

01:39:55.540 but

01:39:56.360 the working class

01:39:57.580 anger

01:39:57.920 when it's justified

01:39:58.780 is absolutely necessary

01:40:00.060 because you know

01:40:01.100 one of the things

01:40:01.660 I've thought about

01:40:02.240 you and your guys

01:40:03.000 is that

01:40:03.540 when push comes to shove

01:40:06.600 you'll stand up

01:40:07.540 and that's something

01:40:08.820 now the trick

01:40:10.020 is going to be

01:40:10.700 and also on July 27th

01:40:12.700 to keep that managed

01:40:13.840 you know

01:40:14.620 the Canadian truckers

01:40:15.620 did a very good job

01:40:16.420 of that

01:40:16.740 they kept the spirit

01:40:17.940 of that protest

01:40:18.780 very positive

01:40:19.520 I don't know

01:40:19.980 how much chance

01:40:21.040 you've had to talk

01:40:21.900 with some of the lead

01:40:22.960 organizers

01:40:23.180 I've met Tamara Leach

01:40:24.040 I've been here

01:40:25.000 I've met them

01:40:25.620 yeah

01:40:26.080 yeah I've met them

01:40:26.820 she actually said

01:40:27.840 to say hi to you guys

01:40:28.760 yeah

01:40:29.040 I found her story

01:40:30.000 I found it

01:40:30.780 oh yeah

01:40:31.260 I found myself quite lucky

01:40:32.380 that I'm getting to leave Canada

01:40:33.700 after hearing what they've done to her

01:40:35.200 oh yeah

01:40:35.600 after hearing what they've done

01:40:37.320 to all of them

01:40:37.880 so

01:40:38.740 we talked a little bit about

01:40:41.120 the necessity of

01:40:43.440 the working class

01:40:44.960 standing up

01:40:46.840 and making their position known

01:40:48.700 the danger that that turns into

01:40:50.900 a

01:40:51.160 like a vindictive populism

01:40:52.840 and gets taken over by

01:40:54.180 the psychopathic community

01:40:56.960 this was something I worried about

01:40:58.240 at the end of the trucker convoy

01:40:59.500 they stopped in time

01:41:00.960 they stopped before

01:41:01.900 the real predators

01:41:02.680 and parasites

01:41:03.320 showed up

01:41:04.420 to take over

01:41:05.480 and so they did that brilliantly

01:41:06.960 it was very well timed

01:41:07.980 very peaceful

01:41:08.740 very harmonious

01:41:10.080 and it ended

01:41:13.100 at the right time

01:41:14.460 one of the things

01:41:15.980 we're trying to do

01:41:16.800 in the UK

01:41:17.840 and elsewhere

01:41:18.520 is to

01:41:19.160 put together

01:41:20.100 a positive vision

01:41:21.820 for the West

01:41:23.280 for the future

01:41:24.100 because the other danger

01:41:25.620 of that populist uprising

01:41:27.320 is that it's all

01:41:28.400 reactionary

01:41:30.000 you know

01:41:30.400 to use the left wing phrase

01:41:31.960 that it's all

01:41:32.720 pushing back against

01:41:33.920 and

01:41:34.480 and angry

01:41:35.580 instead of putting forward

01:41:37.140 a positive vision

01:41:38.020 and thing about

01:41:38.620 working class men

01:41:39.640 is they need a

01:41:40.700 every man

01:41:41.740 needs a positive vision

01:41:43.100 and so

01:41:43.960 that's something else

01:41:44.800 we should talk about

01:41:45.600 when we get

01:41:45.940 what we've said

01:41:48.300 is we need

01:41:48.600 a cultural movement

01:41:49.260 in the UK

01:41:49.720 we need a cultural movement

01:41:51.160 that celebrates

01:41:51.660 identity

01:41:52.040 and celebrates

01:41:52.520 who we are

01:41:52.920 and brings everyone

01:41:53.460 together

01:41:53.740 before that

01:41:54.620 we've wrote

01:41:55.580 like a 10 point pledge

01:41:56.600 a pledge that we want

01:41:57.440 the public to take

01:41:58.120 to be part of the movement

01:41:59.000 well let's talk about that

01:42:00.360 let's talk

01:42:00.860 bring

01:42:01.200 when we talk again

01:42:02.740 let's talk about that pledge

01:42:04.220 and I can discuss

01:42:04.960 what we're doing

01:42:05.520 with ARC as well

01:42:06.420 because that's what

01:42:07.000 we were hoping to launch

01:42:07.680 on the 27th

01:42:08.680 it was about saying

01:42:09.960 if we change the culture

01:42:11.180 we change the politics

01:42:11.960 okay

01:42:12.240 let's show them

01:42:13.360 that we control

01:42:13.900 and you're right

01:42:15.720 about this

01:42:16.240 like for years

01:42:17.420 people have tried

01:42:18.220 to align themselves

01:42:19.020 and purity comes with time

01:42:20.540 our support base now

01:42:22.000 is totally mainstream

01:42:23.080 totally normal

01:42:23.900 you'll see the best

01:42:25.480 of British in London

01:42:26.180 what we have to make sure

01:42:27.340 people will want us to fail

01:42:28.440 and who knows

01:42:30.160 what kind of instigators

01:42:31.440 will be there too

01:42:31.920 but we have enough men now

01:42:33.920 that if people turn up

01:42:35.140 wearing all black

01:42:35.900 wanting to instigate problems

01:42:37.320 we'll put them in place ourselves

01:42:38.420 we don't want the police

01:42:39.500 we told the police

01:42:40.300 at last demonstration

01:42:40.900 stay away

01:42:41.440 okay

01:42:41.780 stay away

01:42:42.620 let us police ourselves

01:42:43.740 yeah

01:42:44.120 because if anyone

01:42:44.900 wants to step out of line

01:42:45.860 our own people know

01:42:46.940 we'll put them in line

01:42:47.960 that's the idea

01:42:49.060 and the idea is to have fun

01:42:50.640 we've got a church

01:42:51.420 choir band singing

01:42:52.540 we've got

01:42:53.380 we're having a celebration

01:42:54.680 art is a good idea

01:42:55.680 to bring art music into it

01:42:57.580 you know

01:42:57.820 because that sets

01:42:58.580 that sets a good tone

01:42:59.880 I've asked Tamara Leach

01:43:00.680 to come and sing

01:43:01.320 as well

01:43:01.940 oh yeah okay

01:43:02.760 I've asked her to come and sing

01:43:03.740 because that story's insane

01:43:04.960 July 27th eh

01:43:06.200 yeah

01:43:06.640 hey if you can be there

01:43:08.560 it's the story

01:43:10.240 of so much now

01:43:10.960 it's ordinary people

01:43:12.160 trying to do extraordinary things

01:43:13.820 because we shouldn't have to be doing this

01:43:15.180 we should not

01:43:16.180 oh no

01:43:16.740 we should be

01:43:17.260 no no

01:43:17.840 we should be doing this

01:43:20.020 ordinary people

01:43:21.560 aren't as ordinary as they think

01:43:22.980 yeah

01:43:23.460 you're a good example of that

01:43:24.840 if you leave that extraordinary stuff

01:43:27.080 to the leaders

01:43:27.760 you get tyrants

01:43:28.640 which is what we've got now

01:43:29.700 yeah

01:43:30.080 yeah

01:43:30.500 yeah

01:43:30.880 which is what we've got now

01:43:31.580 and essentially this is across the whole of the west

01:43:33.760 and that's what I said with men

01:43:34.900 we need to remember who we are

01:43:36.080 as England

01:43:36.340 yes that's right

01:43:37.080 and if we had pride in who we were

01:43:38.200 we wouldn't allow any of these abuses to happen

01:43:40.020 none of this would have been allowed to happen

01:43:41.400 but they've took our pride

01:43:42.260 they've took our identity

01:43:43.040 well they did take it

01:43:44.420 I felt something

01:43:45.260 I'll end this on

01:43:46.240 I went to the 100 year anniversary of Polish independence

01:43:49.100 yeah

01:43:49.500 and when I walked at the front of it

01:43:51.240 the hundreds of thousands of them

01:43:52.400 I felt something yeah

01:43:53.760 I felt the hairs on the back of my neck

01:43:55.540 I felt an energy

01:43:57.000 that I was

01:43:57.940 I went home gutted about

01:43:59.500 because they have such

01:44:00.920 because they were off the map for over 100 years

01:44:02.840 because they've continually had to fight

01:44:04.620 it's ingrained in their people

01:44:06.820 to understand the importance of who they are and their identity

01:44:09.580 and our new generation don't know this yeah

01:44:11.320 so I went home pretty upset thinking

01:44:13.600 I haven't

01:44:14.500 where has that gone in Britain

01:44:15.720 and I felt it on 1st of June

01:44:17.240 and I feel it now

01:44:18.300 and I think the British public are feeling it

01:44:20.320 and feeling the sense of identity

01:44:22.420 the sense of pride

01:44:23.460 and the sense of coming together

01:44:24.860 to certainly tell the establishment enough's enough here yeah

01:44:27.360 we're not sitting by silently anymore

01:44:29.080 so yeah

01:44:29.680 exciting times but scary times

01:44:31.440 I want to do July 27th

01:44:33.440 and then I hope that public opinion

01:44:35.980 they've weaponised

01:44:37.020 the courts and the judiciary

01:44:38.600 have been weaponised against me

01:44:39.660 I hope to weaponise the public opinion against them

01:44:42.200 so if you do want to send me a jail

01:44:43.620 and lock me out for two years

01:44:44.400 let the world know what it's about

01:44:45.440 so part of the problem

01:44:47.220 with getting the working class aroused

01:44:49.080 let's say in anger

01:44:50.580 is that that can degenerate into a

01:44:53.340 like a vengeful response

01:44:55.000 that doesn't have an aim

01:44:56.560 and so what has to be associated with that

01:44:58.980 is something approximating a positive vision

01:45:01.680 to make sure that everyone's aligned

01:45:04.120 and upward aligned

01:45:05.380 and to provide the proper replacement

01:45:08.920 to the ethos

01:45:11.420 let's say that the Islamic fundamentalist psychopaths

01:45:15.440 and that's not all Muslims

01:45:17.500 by any stretch of the imagination

01:45:18.960 are putting forward

01:45:20.780 so what are you thinking about

01:45:23.020 with regards to vision?

01:45:24.500 So our vision

01:45:25.000 so we've got probably 10 of the main influences

01:45:28.140 in the UK

01:45:28.760 around politics and culture

01:45:30.920 coming together

01:45:31.980 to come to an agreement

01:45:33.120 exactly this

01:45:34.200 in celebrating our identity

01:45:35.600 in how do we stop the erosion of our culture

01:45:37.540 what are the 10 principles

01:45:38.840 we can all agree on

01:45:39.800 that we can come together on

01:45:41.000 we don't have to agree on everything

01:45:41.820 no one has to agree on everything

01:45:42.820 we have to agree to defend Great Britain

01:45:44.660 to defend our culture

01:45:45.500 to defend our identity

01:45:46.340 and so that's

01:45:47.720 we've got an important meeting on the 9th

01:45:49.360 where we come together

01:45:50.020 and the purpose of July 27th

01:45:51.560 was to give the public a vision

01:45:52.760 so here's our vision

01:45:53.920 here's our vision

01:45:54.980 okay

01:45:55.360 okay

01:45:55.820 got it

01:45:56.260 well thank you very much sir

01:45:57.920 thank you Tammy

01:45:58.660 thank you

01:45:59.300 thank you so much as well

01:46:00.460 it's a good beginning

01:46:01.400 yeah

01:46:01.980 yeah

01:46:02.640 I'll do what I can to be there on the 9th

01:46:05.200 thank you

01:46:05.620 so okay

01:46:06.300 and so to everybody watching on YouTube

01:46:08.780 thank you very much for your time and attention

01:46:10.680 the film crew here in Toronto

01:46:12.400 that's much appreciated as well

01:46:14.760 to the Daily Wire

01:46:15.540 for putting together the resources

01:46:17.600 to make this possible

01:46:19.320 and to staying the hell out of the way

01:46:21.040 which they're very very good at

01:46:22.540 which is quite the skill

01:46:24.280 that's much appreciated as well

01:46:26.460 thank you sir

01:46:27.680 thank you

01:46:28.180 good to meet you

01:46:28.800 thank you

01:46:29.200 thank you

01:46:29.220 thank you so much

01:46:30.580 thanks

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The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast - July 08, 2024

462. Why the Establishment Hates This Man ｜ Tommy Robinson

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