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00:00:57.420 Hello, everybody.

00:01:10.700 I had the opportunity today to speak to Logan Lansing, who is the author, along with James Lindsay, who was a guest on my podcast and is a force in his own right, obviously.

00:01:24.720 The new book, The Querying of the American Child.

00:01:29.500 Well, so what did we talk about?

00:01:32.060 Well, we talked about the intersection between Marxism and postmodernism, right?

00:01:37.240 The strange intersection, Marxism being a metanarrative, right?

00:01:41.580 A theology that purports to encompass everything, so a totalitarian theology, allied with a philosophical school that purports to claim that there are no overarching metanarratives, despite the fact that Marxism is precisely one of those.

00:02:04.440 How do those two things go together?

00:02:06.240 Well, that's one of the things we investigate, the metastasis of Marxism into postmodern queer theory.

00:02:15.780 What is queer theory, you ask?

00:02:17.620 Well, that's why you have to watch the podcast.

00:02:20.320 It's not the celebration of gay identity.

00:02:23.280 It's much more than that, and much less than that at the same time.

00:02:28.040 But it's a dark discussion, and it'll take you places that, in a happier time, you might be justified in your unwillingness to go.

00:02:42.100 But we're not there at the moment, folks.

00:02:44.180 So, down the rabbit hole today with Logan Lansing and The Querying of the American Child.

00:02:52.160 Join us.

00:02:52.920 So, Mr. Lansing, you have two books, The Woke War Path, which is an inquiry essentially into, what, Marxism and postmodernism fundamentally, the strange alliance between those two things.

00:03:08.540 And then, more recently, a very provocatively named book, titled book, The Querying of the American Child with James Lindsay.

00:03:17.640 And so, I want to wander through the domains covered by both of those books.

00:03:23.960 And I thought I might as well start by asking you a fairly blunt question.

00:03:28.680 And it's a question I torment myself with, I would say.

00:03:34.320 The claims from the radicals on the left is that they're all about the good things.

00:03:40.620 They're all about compassion.

00:03:42.120 They're all about diversity.

00:03:43.300 They're all about inclusivity.

00:03:45.180 They're all about equity.

00:03:46.920 How can anyone oppose such noble views?

00:03:50.460 How do you know that all of your theorizing isn't just a mask for your, ha, your weird bigotry?

00:03:59.740 You know, to use the terminology that seems to have come rampaging out of the woodwork with a Kamala Harris coronation.

00:04:10.720 So, but I'm very curious about this.

00:04:12.560 You know, I mean, people accuse me of being a bigot, for example, being homophobic, for example.

00:04:21.540 Whatever the phobia of the month is, there's an accusation that goes along with it.

00:04:26.460 What makes you think that you're not, that those epithets don't apply appropriately to you?

00:04:34.540 Well, I think the left has done a very good job at deceiving a lot of people.

00:04:42.560 When they use the words diversity, equity, and inclusion, they may share your language, but they don't share your dictionary.

00:04:49.920 Those terms have been deceptively defined.

00:04:52.880 And when they're in a social circle where unsuspecting people are present, those words mean one thing.

00:05:00.040 And then as soon as they've got an ounce of power, they immediately turn to the esoteric definitions that they've got for those terms and employ them.

00:05:10.340 So, I mean, I know myself, I know I'm none of those things, and I know a majority of people that the left come for are not those things.

00:05:20.140 But under their definitions of those terms, there is no one who could escape being labeled those things because they're all-encompassing.

00:05:28.780 They've got an ism or a phobia for everything on the planet, and they're always going to find one.

00:05:33.720 So you're never going to escape that if you're someone they want to come after.

00:05:38.740 And, of course, those terms are used, you know, racism, homophobia, bigotry.

00:05:42.520 They're used to shut you up so you don't talk.

00:05:44.760 They're used to drive ideological conformity.

00:05:46.920 Okay, so one of the things that I've seen recently, because I've been going after the right-wing psychopathic troll demons that inhabit the virtual universe,

00:06:03.700 and especially with regards to their anti-Semitism, because I've seen a dreadful spike in anti-Semitism,

00:06:14.420 not only since October 7th, when it's become painfully obvious to anyone whose eyes are open that that's precisely what's happening,

00:06:21.000 but long before that, not least because there was some association between me, for example, and Ben Shapiro.

00:06:28.900 And then, of course, I joined forces with the Daily Wire, which everyone knows is run by a cabal of evil Jews,

00:06:36.560 even though the CEO is an evangelical Christian.

00:06:40.340 So I've seen the worst of the bigots, maybe the worst.

00:06:45.720 I mean, hell's a bottomless pit, so the worst is a long ways down.

00:06:49.840 But there is no shortage of the bigoted types that the radical leftists like to point to.

00:06:57.300 Now, I personally don't believe that the right-wing anti-Semites are as much of a danger to the Jews and to the general population as the left-wing anti-Semites.

00:07:09.380 I believe there's far fewer of them, for example, and that their arguments are much more transparent and much less credible in a sense, in an intellectual sense.

00:07:21.100 But they're still as nasty a bunch of scumrass as you could hope to array.

00:07:27.280 And so those people exist.

00:07:30.460 And so when we're battling against monsters, as Nietzsche pointed out, you know, if you look too long into the abyss, then the abyss tends to look into you.

00:07:42.360 And that if you're fighting monsters, you have to be very careful not to become one yourself.

00:07:47.480 And so I'm going to push you again on this a bit.

00:07:50.460 So I've been thinking about Chris Ruffo, for example, who's been a very effective counter-propagandist, you might say, in Florida.

00:07:59.260 He's certainly put a bee in the bonnet of Harvard University and fought a pretty decent fight with regards to the unsuitability of Claudine Gay to serve there as president.

00:08:13.540 The DeSantis administration, along with Ruffo, are making moves to implement a certain degree of political control over the content of at least one university in Florida.

00:08:29.800 And that would mean that there would be like one new conservative university compared to 99% of the radical leftist universities.

00:08:37.900 But there's still a danger there, you know, and the danger is that the political starts to explicitly permeate the educational.

00:08:49.840 And you could say, well, the leftists walked right into that because of their insistence that the ideological permeates the educational.

00:08:57.600 But it still doesn't look to me like that excuses the potential for an equivalent error on the more conservative side.

00:09:07.900 So, you know, you said you know that you're not a bigot and you're not a homophobe, etc.

00:09:14.260 But I would say most people who might deserve those epithets, not all of them, would also claim that they're not.

00:09:22.840 And so, what is it about what you're doing that makes you think that you're a reliable commentator on such matters and that you're not just acting out some variant of your own personality pathology by going after the, you know, the hyper-compassionate, all-inclusive utopians of the left-wing sphere?

00:09:44.080 Yeah, so I'd start with just a quick note on the point about, you indicated that, you know, the left has control of, what, 90, 95% of social institutions.

00:09:58.300 We're really worried about it in education.

00:09:59.940 That's where my work is primarily concerned.

00:10:01.540 And what do we do when the right becomes very explicit about their intention to look at the left and say, look what they're doing.

00:10:08.560 We should be able to do the same.

00:10:09.880 And I would just quickly note, we can get into this later if you want, that that's precisely playing into the hand of the ideology at the core of the left, which is based in conflict.

00:10:19.180 They need two poles to move history forward.

00:10:22.920 That's really the core of their faith.

00:10:25.520 They need conflict to progress.

00:10:27.800 And they don't care what that conflict looks like as long as things are destroyed in the path.

00:10:31.160 So I think that they welcome someone like a Christopher Ruffo figure coming in and saying, we are going to have certain values and we are going to be political in whatever it is we do.

00:10:43.820 I think they welcome that because that plays right into their dialectical game.

00:10:47.640 Well, it goes back to the issue of, you know, your own feelings about your own trustworthiness as a commentator.

00:10:54.700 I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:10:56.260 Well, you know, we do have in-group preferences, for example, as human beings, we tend to prefer the familiar.

00:11:03.140 And there's going to be a certain amount of probably at least racial preference that goes along with that that's reflexive, you know, that takes a certain amount of conscious effort to overcome.

00:11:16.480 And so, you see now and then, I think it was David, was it David Brooks, I don't remember, someone wrote an article in the New York Times who said, you know, are we the bad guys?

00:11:28.500 And so that's a question that people should always ask themselves.

00:11:31.320 And so you wrote these pretty provocative books, The Woke War Path, The Clearing of the American Child, that's a particularly provocative title.

00:11:38.460 Well, why aren't you precisely the sort of bad guy that the leftists like to point to?

00:11:45.840 And are you in the same camp, would you say, then also as someone like Chris Ruffo?

00:11:51.900 That's a good question, and I'm not sure.

00:11:54.500 But what I will say in terms of my trustworthiness, I wouldn't consider myself an expert in anything.

00:12:04.540 It's almost like a derogatory term nowadays to hail around the title of expert.

00:12:10.380 All I have done, which is nothing special, is I've spent years, the last five years, reading the left's literature on their own terms and just sharing it, saying, look, everyone, this is what they're saying.

00:12:23.740 This is from this book.

00:12:25.020 This is from this academic.

00:12:27.440 Is anyone aware of this?

00:12:29.640 Literally, I haven't done anything special.

00:12:32.140 It's just a lot and a lot of reading and saying, this is what's out there.

00:12:36.360 This explains why the left takes these actions and not these actions.

00:12:40.600 This is how the left thinks about this issue.

00:12:42.980 And it's all explicitly done on their own terms.

00:12:45.660 I worry quite a lot.

00:12:47.380 I beat myself up a lot while I was writing those books because I'm very concerned about misrepresentation.

00:12:53.740 Misrepresenting someone's ideas.

00:12:56.340 It's just a deep-seated fear.

00:12:58.160 I don't know what it is about my psychology, but knowingly misrepresenting someone is something I've always tried to avoid.

00:13:06.380 I would never knowingly do that.

00:13:07.980 So knowing that, the thing I thought that I could best do is just share their words exactly as they've placed them on the page.

00:13:17.480 And people can determine what they want to do with that information however they'd like.

00:13:21.940 But they should be aware of it because those in charge of education have been doing this for a very long time.

00:13:27.860 And they've been writing things for a very long time.

00:13:30.140 And we've ignored them for far too long.

00:13:32.640 Okay, okay.

00:13:33.260 So you're construing yourself, it sounds like you're construing yourself essentially as a journalist.

00:13:39.640 And so your case is, well, here's what the left says.

00:13:43.220 You can read it.

00:13:44.060 I've collated it.

00:13:44.960 You can read it.

00:13:45.620 And you can decide for yourself.

00:13:47.100 Is that fair enough?

00:13:48.380 Okay, let's walk through the woke war path.

00:13:50.320 Okay, so lay out your thesis with regards, let's say, to Marxism and postmodernism.

00:13:57.620 Let's start with the woke war path.

00:14:00.860 Lay out what you see as the philosophical underpinnings.

00:14:06.460 Where are we with the philosophy of the radical left?

00:14:10.620 And is the combination of Marxism and postmodernism the right initial lens to view that through?

00:14:18.040 Yes, precisely.

00:14:19.260 So I'll try and keep track of the things I want to explain here.

00:14:25.140 And because I first heard you use the term yourself, Dr. Peterson, of postmodern neo-Marxism.

00:14:30.480 And I remember thinking the first time I heard it, well, that makes no sense.

00:14:35.440 Postmodernism is post-Marxism.

00:14:37.740 How could it possibly be that these two things have combined?

00:14:41.060 And the first time I saw it used by a leftist academic in print was from a man by the name

00:14:46.240 of Peter McLaren.

00:14:47.140 And he was writing in the 80s.

00:14:49.280 And he was describing what the critical Marxist project, the critical Marxist tradition, was

00:14:54.600 doing was taking postmodern principles and applying them to identity politics and education.

00:14:59.620 So that was the first kind of verification that I saw that, okay, Peterson's on to something

00:15:04.460 here.

00:15:04.820 To your question about what is at the core of Marxism, this is one of the things I'm most

00:15:11.740 proud of with the queering of the American child.

00:15:14.380 I didn't delve too much into it in the woke war path because I don't think I understood

00:15:18.700 it at that level yet.

00:15:20.240 But the heart of Marxism, in my view, and I think I could speak for Dr. Lindsay, but have

00:15:25.580 him on and let him give his interpretation, is that Marxism is a theology.

00:15:32.440 It's not an economic theory.

00:15:34.740 If you read the economic and philosophic manuscripts, I think Marx is very clear.

00:15:40.760 He says human beings are creative and we're social.

00:15:44.860 Now, I'm a pretty plain guy.

00:15:46.740 I'm not an academic.

00:15:48.140 I have no special training.

00:15:49.420 I still don't consider myself a writer.

00:15:52.600 So I'm going to put this in plain terms.

00:15:54.240 When Marx says human beings are creative, he means we see something in the world like

00:16:00.820 a stick and we've got a vision in our head of what we want to turn that stick into.

00:16:06.380 We've got a vision in our head of what we want the world to look like.

00:16:09.480 So maybe I want to make a spear.

00:16:11.100 I grab a sharp rock.

00:16:12.400 I start cutting away at the stick.

00:16:13.840 I whittle it away.

00:16:14.980 I slowly match what's in my head to the physical reality of my world.

00:16:19.940 That's what Marx meant by humans have a creative nature.

00:16:22.920 And in that, the deeper meaning of that is that when we look into the world, we see ourselves

00:16:29.580 reflecting back at us.

00:16:32.360 We see our creativity, our subjective thoughts, the vision of my spear objectified in the real

00:16:37.920 world.

00:16:38.220 And what he said is we look out into the world we're humanizing with our creativity and it

00:16:44.120 reflects back our human nature.

00:16:46.160 And we see ourselves as gods, essentially, is what it comes down to.

00:16:50.500 Marx said our species being is also social.

00:16:53.640 That's our spiritual species property, to use his own terms.

00:16:57.180 And what he means by that is we're not born in the world alone.

00:17:01.140 We're not born in a vacuum.

00:17:03.060 He said the tradition of all dead generations weighs like a nightmare on the brains of the

00:17:07.960 living, meaning we're born into a world that's already been humanized.

00:17:12.000 We're born into a world where other people have used their creative potential to transform

00:17:16.480 the world into their vision.

00:17:18.020 So, in a sense, our consciousness...

00:17:20.320 The burden of what has been.

00:17:21.840 Right.

00:17:22.480 Yes, exactly.

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00:19:11.860 And what Mark said is because we've got this creative potential to transform our world into

00:19:20.100 our own vision, and we're a social creature, those things differentiate us from the animals.

00:19:26.440 And because we can do those things, we make history.

00:19:28.640 Meaning when I'm born, I'm born into a world others have worked on.

00:19:32.620 They've already transformed nature.

00:19:34.220 If I'm born in a primitive tribe, I'm not going to be going and creating a space-faring

00:19:39.340 civilization.

00:19:40.620 So the history of the people that have come before me preloads my consciousness, and that

00:19:47.080 makes history.

00:19:48.260 And then the people in my present, my present tribe, whatever you want, your city, those

00:19:53.760 of us attempting to send rockets to Mars, we then socialize the next generation into the

00:20:00.600 world.

00:20:00.900 And Marx's whole theology is the idea that we can arrest this process of history.

00:20:07.720 We can direct it.

00:20:09.760 It's not something that just has to happen.

00:20:11.800 And it's incumbent on those who are oppressed to arrest it.

00:20:17.200 Because the group in power who's created the society with capitalism, it would be the bourgeoisie

00:20:24.840 and their private property and the laws, rules, and regulations that have been built up to

00:20:29.940 solidify their social status and their domination.

00:20:33.560 They're not going to overthrow history and direct history in the direction we want it because

00:20:38.040 they're pretty set.

00:20:38.920 They're enjoying their lives.

00:20:40.120 They're happy.

00:20:41.140 So it's incumbent on the oppressed to become conscious of this fact that we can arrest history

00:20:46.140 and we can direct it.

00:20:47.420 And that's Marx's program, the arresting of history through conflict to drive it to an

00:20:55.280 ultimate endpoint, one where we look out in the world and it reflects our humanity back

00:21:00.900 onto us.

00:21:01.760 We, Marx said, when we look into the world and we're one with nature and nature is one

00:21:07.540 with us, I think his precise words to describe it in almost biblical terms was he said that

00:21:15.780 when man looks out and he revolves around himself as his own true son, I mean, it doesn't get

00:21:22.040 any more theological than that.

00:21:23.860 So I think that's the heart of it.

00:21:25.880 And everything derives from that.

00:21:28.320 It doesn't make sense that it's an economic theory.

00:21:30.880 It never has.

00:21:31.520 That's why over 100 million people died starving to death in the dark.

00:21:35.940 That's why it doesn't work, because he mapped his economics on top of a theology to sell

00:21:40.360 it, is my opinion.

00:21:43.540 Okay, okay.

00:21:44.600 So let's delve into the theological side for a moment, and then we'll return to the postmodern

00:21:49.640 element.

00:21:51.460 Okay, so there's two things you laid out as far as I'm understanding what you're saying.

00:21:58.600 And the first is, well, some support for your argument that this is a theological

00:22:05.860 movement is that, well, it is a post-religious movement, and it's also something that Nietzsche

00:22:11.960 predicted when he discussed the death of God.

00:22:14.980 He said in The Will to Power that the human race would run an experiment in the 20th century

00:22:21.340 that would likely doom millions of people to investigate the validity of a resentment-predicated

00:22:31.640 communism.

00:22:34.300 And that if we learned the proper lesson from that, then perhaps the sacrifice of lives would

00:22:41.840 have proved valuable and necessary.

00:22:44.540 Now, you know, that's a hell of a harsh thing to say, but it's also quite the remarkable prediction.

00:22:50.620 And, of course, Dostoevsky saw the same things coming, especially in his book Demons, which

00:22:55.940 is as accurate a prodroma to the Gulag archipelago as you could possibly hope for.

00:23:03.420 Okay, so let's look at this theologically, because I think it is a theology.

00:23:07.460 It's a post-Christian theology.

00:23:09.640 No, it's an anti-Christian theology.

00:23:12.460 And so part of the reason it's anti-Christian is because Marx's fundamental presupposition

00:23:18.140 is that the God of power does and should rule, right?

00:23:25.440 So that's quite a claim.

00:23:28.140 And I think, actually, you can understand the attractiveness of that claim, especially on

00:23:32.280 the economic side, because the idea that there is a small minority of people who hold comparative

00:23:40.460 power in any human social hierarchy is true in some manner.

00:23:47.500 It's particularly true if the society is corrupt.

00:23:51.440 And it is also the case that even the most benevolent of social organizations are corrupted

00:23:58.640 to some degree by power.

00:24:00.200 And so power is a major league God, you might say.

00:24:04.660 And it's very attractive intellectually, especially if you're a rather rigid reductionist and you

00:24:10.260 don't like to think in a sophisticated manner, is to reduce everything to power, as Foucault

00:24:16.260 did, power and sexuality in Foucault's case.

00:24:19.100 And you can make a credible case for that.

00:24:21.680 You can make a credible case that your relationship with yourself is one of power, and your relationship

00:24:25.920 with your wife, and your relationship with your children, and your so-called friends, and

00:24:29.980 every economic relationship, it's all boils down to power, and only the naive think differently.

00:24:35.940 And so the world's a war of power.

00:24:37.680 And that's not only an anti-Christian doctrine in the most fundamental way, it's almost literally

00:24:43.420 a satanic doctrine.

00:24:44.600 Because in the Gospels, for example, Christ is literally tempted by the Satan who offers

00:24:53.740 him power as an alternative to the proper principle of sovereignty.

00:24:59.020 Okay, so that's the first thing, is Marxism is a theology of power.

00:25:04.100 All right, the next thing is, is that you pointed out, was that it's a dialectic of oppressed

00:25:12.300 versus oppressor.

00:25:14.020 And so that's also interesting theologically, because the story of Cain and Abel is an oppressor

00:25:20.920 versus oppressed theology.

00:25:23.880 And the spirit of Cain is the spirit of the resentful oppressed who rebels against the, what

00:25:34.640 would you say, the upward striving individual who makes the proper sacrifices, destroys him

00:25:40.240 and rebels against God pridefully and deceitfully.

00:25:45.340 Right, so that's another theological element.

00:25:48.600 Now, the Marxists would say, well, religion, Christianity is the opiate of the masses.

00:25:54.480 And perhaps Cain, under the sway of the Lucifer, who's regarded as an admirable rebel by the

00:26:02.000 Marxists, including Marx, is the upholder of the proper revolutionary spirit.

00:26:08.760 But it's certainly the case that the notion that existence itself, history itself, all relationships

00:26:16.260 are a battleground of power between the oppressor and the oppressed is central to Marxism, as

00:26:22.740 far as I'm concerned.

00:26:23.600 It's not a Marxist idea in and of itself, but it's central to Marxism.

00:26:26.900 And it's also a pretty damn saleable idea, especially if you, if your culture is corrupted

00:26:33.980 by power, and you have your self-serving reasons for regarding yourself as victimized and oppressed.

00:26:43.320 You know, that was what Nietzsche objected to with regards to the philosophy of resentment.

00:26:47.700 And Marx is, Marxism is the philosophy of resentment writ large.

00:26:52.700 And the problem with that is that there's a lot of things in life to be resentful about.

00:26:57.660 Right, so it's easy to sell.

00:26:59.200 Well, it's a doctrine that suits the pathologically immature.

00:27:06.940 And so, okay, so is there anything in my characterization of Marxism as a theology that's at odds with

00:27:14.940 the manner in which you're construing it?

00:27:17.040 No, I don't think so.

00:27:18.160 And a point to add is, not only is it an easy sell, but it's a really easy sell to children,

00:27:25.820 which is the relevant area where I'm most concerned.

00:27:30.780 You know, adults can be set in their ways.

00:27:34.460 And of course, you're going to have those with psychopathologies that really find a lot of

00:27:39.620 value in resentment.

00:27:41.480 And how I conceive of it, a religion that answers all of their questions about why they are where

00:27:48.940 they are in life and why things, what their purpose should be and why they should be so

00:27:54.620 resentful and they should be justified in being resentful.

00:27:57.700 I get that.

00:27:58.480 But with children, it's a super, super easy sell.

00:28:01.600 It's dividing the world into black and white.

00:28:03.640 And it's easy to replicate, very easy to replicate.

00:28:07.100 You know, the structure of classical, what's now called vulgar Marxism, looks something like

00:28:12.880 this, you have some people who decide to create a society in the classic vulgar sense and give

00:28:21.720 themselves a form of private property.

00:28:23.820 They create the idea of private property and build institutions around that to solidify it.

00:28:29.780 And they give it to themselves and they justify this private property going to themselves in

00:28:35.360 an ideology called capitalism that explains to everyone that this is common sense, neutral

00:28:40.420 and fair.

00:28:41.000 Things have always been this way.

00:28:42.920 They're justified in having what they have.

00:28:44.700 You're justified in your low position on the totem pole as a worker.

00:28:47.880 And this is how things are going to be.

00:28:49.820 And it's incumbent on those workers to wake up to the fact that the call of history has chosen

00:28:54.560 them to move the dialectic forward, to take historical materialism to the next stage of

00:29:00.780 history.

00:29:01.480 You can map that.

00:29:03.640 And part of the point of the book, The Queering of the American Child, is precisely this.

00:29:08.580 You can map that in a lot of different domains.

00:29:10.360 It's amazing it took them this long to do it.

00:29:12.880 I mean, with critical race theory, you've got white people who created a society they've

00:29:18.180 given themselves, they've invented and given themselves a sociocultural private property

00:29:22.520 called whiteness.

00:29:23.520 Cheryl Harris, in her paper, it was the late 80s or early 90s, literally said whiteness as

00:29:29.740 property was the title of the paper.

00:29:31.260 And right in there, she says it's akin to a bourgeois private property.

00:29:34.780 They give it to themselves.

00:29:35.880 They create an ideology of white supremacy that says this is neutral, common sense, and

00:29:40.700 fair.

00:29:41.080 This is how things have always been.

00:29:42.620 And it's incumbent on the oppressed, which in this particular stance would be people who

00:29:48.840 happen to be black or people of color, anyone who's non-white, to rise up and develop a,

00:29:55.460 instead of a class consciousness, it's been a long day, an anti-racist consciousness.

00:30:02.620 And to create things like what Ibram X.

00:30:05.220 Kendi proposed with the Department of Anti-Racism that supersedes all laws and jurisdictions in

00:30:11.180 the United States so we can force this on everyone.

00:30:13.740 And we're going to use equity, which is socialism, to redistribute access to resources.

00:30:20.760 And we're going to sum everything up with, in the sentence, abolition of whiteness rather

00:30:25.440 than abolition of private property as human self-estrangement.

00:30:28.660 You can map that exact structure onto queer theory, which is some people in society created

00:30:37.020 a form of sociocultural private property called normalcy or being normal, and they gave it

00:30:43.380 to themselves.

00:30:44.240 And they use that to stratify society between those who have access to normalcy and all of

00:30:50.700 the attendant privileges and those who don't.

00:30:53.140 They hide it in an ideology of cis-heteronormativity that explains to everyone that this is neutral,

00:30:59.420 common sense, and fair.

00:31:00.840 The way things should be, it's good to be normal.

00:31:03.660 And it's incumbent on, and I think this requires a definition.

00:31:07.680 I can go into it if you want.

00:31:09.040 But it's incumbent on those who are queer.

00:31:11.740 And this is not a statement of essential identity.

00:31:14.080 I can explain precisely what I mean.

00:31:15.920 It does not mean gay.

00:31:17.100 It does not mean lesbian.

00:31:18.200 It's antithetical to a person happening to be gay or lesbian, but it's incumbent on them

00:31:23.420 to rise up and abolish normalcy as private property.

00:31:26.980 It's all the same.

00:31:28.020 It's the same engine under the car, Jordan.

00:31:30.720 You know, it's just painted differently.

00:31:32.520 It's just a different flavor.

00:31:34.060 Okay, so now we've talked, we've pulled postmodernism into the discussion.

00:31:38.300 So, you know, my sense was I got criticized a lot for using the term postmodern neo-Marxists

00:31:46.800 because all the pseudo-intellectuals, the arrogant pseudo-intellectuals came out of the closet

00:31:53.260 and said, well, doesn't Peterson know that postmodernism is predicated on the rejection

00:31:57.940 of meta-narratives and that Marxism is a meta-narrative?

00:32:02.020 And the answer to that is, well, yeah, actually, boys and girls, I was perfectly well aware

00:32:07.940 of that.

00:32:08.960 And so that really wasn't much of a critique as far as I was concerned, except one that

00:32:13.480 was simultaneously appallingly naive and arrogant, which is a hell of a combination.

00:32:20.800 I saw the perverseness in that because, of course, it was Leotard who proclaimed that

00:32:26.140 the essence of postmodernism was a skepticism regarding meta-narratives and by which he really

00:32:31.660 meant something like Judeo-Christianity, the Judeo-Christian tradition.

00:32:37.560 But other meta-narratives seem to be perfectly acceptable.

00:32:41.660 So you could have the meta-narrative of unbridled hedonism, for example, or the meta-narrative

00:32:47.060 of unbridled power.

00:32:49.460 And for some reason, those escape the criticism of meta-narratives that, in principle, the postmodernists

00:32:55.820 were up in arms about.

00:32:57.520 And so is that a contradiction?

00:32:59.580 Well, obviously, do postmodern neo-Marxists care about contradictions?

00:33:05.680 Not in the least.

00:33:07.500 So that's no criticism.

00:33:09.000 Now, my sense was that Marxism was a philosophy of resentment.

00:33:16.300 I think Marx picked the axis along which resentment has the greatest purchase.

00:33:22.640 Because a small minority of people do control a disproportionate amount of the world's wealth

00:33:29.840 and resources economically.

00:33:31.940 Of course, that's the case with every economic system that has ever been developed and tried

00:33:38.320 by any society anywhere.

00:33:41.160 So to attribute that to capitalism is ill-advised, foolish, naive, counterproductive, and motivated,

00:33:50.940 and certainly far from the fundamental point.

00:33:54.920 So you have Marxism as this oppressive versus oppressed narrative, meta-narrative even.

00:34:00.920 And then what happened with the postmodernists is they metastasized that, as you pointed out.

00:34:06.760 They took exactly the same underlying argument of resentment and turned it into an explanation

00:34:13.500 for a power differential across all possible axes of group comparisons in the human realm.

00:34:20.380 Ableism, height, attractiveness, wealth, although they downplay the economic differences, interestingly

00:34:29.040 enough, sex, even imaginary dimensions like gender, you name it.

00:34:34.820 Every possible axis of distinction became a narrative of power.

00:34:40.400 And so that's the metastasis of Marxism.

00:34:43.220 It's a much more perverse version of Marxism.

00:34:46.380 And that's really saying something because it's already an incredibly perverse doctrine.

00:34:50.620 Now, you said when you heard me use that term to begin with, that you were perplexed or

00:34:59.840 skeptical, let's say, about that juxtaposition.

00:35:04.640 So what I presume you have changed your mind about that.

00:35:10.020 I have no idea how that played into the development of your thinking.

00:35:13.720 But has your mind, apparently your mind has changed on that front.

00:35:18.780 How come?

00:35:19.600 And is there a more accurate way of formulating it, do you think, than the metastasis of Marxism,

00:35:27.400 let's say, across these multiple dimensions?

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00:36:36.360 No, I haven't changed my mind.

00:36:41.800 And I came to that conclusion because I read a lot.

00:36:45.460 Again, I don't have any really, you know, I've got a four-year degree.

00:36:51.040 I didn't spend any time in school studying any of this.

00:36:53.820 I fell into all of this.

00:36:55.340 So I was starting from scratch.

00:36:56.920 But I read enough of them saying that that's precisely what it is.

00:37:00.660 It's the critical Marxist tradition smashed into the postmodern tactics.

00:37:06.760 And the first time I read someone specifically state this, someone with some weight behind their name,

00:37:11.980 was Kimberly Crenshaw, the mother of CRT, which was formed in my backyard in Madison, Wisconsin,

00:37:18.640 in a convent here, you know, and they say, right, if you read Richard Delgado and Gene Stefanczyk's book,

00:37:27.800 CRT and Introduction, written at the high school level, mind you, and published in 2000 or 2001,

00:37:33.440 they say in the beginning, you know, we find ourselves at this convent.

00:37:35.940 What an odd place for a bunch of Marxists.

00:37:38.220 But Kimberly Crenshaw states in her Mapping the Margins paper that what she is doing,

00:37:42.520 the project of critical race theory, is taking the critical Marxist tradition,

00:37:46.700 the identity politics, and inserting the postmodern element into it.

00:37:52.780 She's combining them.

00:37:53.860 It's a witch's brew.

00:37:55.400 Because postmodernism is a really effective tool for them, a tool that they didn't have access to.

00:38:02.740 So I not only read Kimberly Crenshaw say that's precisely what they're doing,

00:38:08.540 but again, Peter McLaren has a great paper, and the name is escaping me right now, from 1989.

00:38:13.480 But he was writing that that's precisely what they're doing.

00:38:16.120 It's the critical Marxist tradition in postmodernism.

00:38:18.560 But the one that really sold it for me was Joe Kinchelow, who is a critical pedagogue in education.

00:38:26.960 He's since passed.

00:38:28.320 But he is one of the people who is responsible for outlining the technical term for what woke is,

00:38:36.600 and that is critical constructivism.

00:38:39.340 And when I read Joe Kinchelow's work, I mean, it just absolutely jumped off the page that this is

00:38:44.820 precisely what has happened.

00:38:47.020 The critical Marxists have adopted postmodernism in their analysis.

00:38:50.880 They use what they like.

00:38:52.060 They discard what they don't like.

00:38:53.360 To your point about contradictions, Jordan, contradictions for Marxists are a fruitful site of critique.

00:39:01.300 That's where the magic happens.

00:39:02.780 That's where the conflict happens.

00:39:04.140 That's what they're supposed to be resolving.

00:39:06.620 So it's no surprise that they enjoy contradictions, and it's no surprise that they enjoy creating contradictions,

00:39:13.560 because that's the whole game, is conflict and contradictions and overcoming it.

00:39:18.360 Well, so when there was some backlash to my diagnosis, let's say, about the unholy alliance

00:39:27.000 between the Marxists and the postmodernists, it really took me aback, eh?

00:39:31.440 Because this wasn't something that I had just conjured up out of the theater of my imagination,

00:39:36.780 as far as I was concerned.

00:39:38.140 I'd read these, what, appalling, Luciferian, arrogant intellectuals, and that's what they said.

00:39:51.260 So I thought I was just describing what was obvious.

00:39:54.580 It was like in the 1970s, it became declassé to pronounce yourself a Marxist,

00:40:01.340 particularly after Solzhenitsyn demonstrated beyond any possible hope of objection that

00:40:09.120 Stalin and Lenin were murderous, repugnant, murderous, vicious, vile thieves and thugs.

00:40:19.740 Beyond a shadow of a doubt, you couldn't be a Marxist anymore, so it's like presto chango.

00:40:25.160 We'll just alter the terminology a bit, metastasize the entire philosophy of resentment,

00:40:30.560 and away we'll go.

00:40:32.120 And as far as I could tell, that was exactly what Foucault, for example,

00:40:37.380 we might as well put him at the top of the heap, says he is the world's most cited intellectual.

00:40:42.960 That's essentially what Foucault said.

00:40:45.820 It wasn't like I was inventing this.

00:40:48.080 And so the fact that I got pushback, especially from the leftists, just,

00:40:52.280 well, it made me question my sanity for a while.

00:40:54.400 It was like, I'm pointing out what's obvious here.

00:40:58.340 And you're telling me that I don't, what, I don't understand what I'm reading?

00:41:03.180 I don't think so.

00:41:04.400 I actually tend to understand what I'm reading, especially if I actually do the reading.

00:41:09.600 And so, okay, okay.

00:41:11.300 So now we have this metamarxist witch's brew, as you pointed out.

00:41:16.080 And Kimberly Crenshaw is a particularly interesting case in point,

00:41:19.140 because she's a professor of law who thinks she's a psychiatrist,

00:41:27.040 except her diagnostic ability is limited to one, let's say it, one condition.

00:41:35.420 Everything is about a power disparity.

00:41:37.860 It's like, well, Dr. Crenshaw, you're actually not much of a diagnostician,

00:41:42.200 because it turns out that most complex social and psychological pathologies

00:41:48.340 have a multitude of causes, and you actually have to consider all of them.

00:41:52.480 And you can't reduce everything to a dialectic of power

00:41:55.560 unless you're too goddamn stupid or crooked

00:41:59.600 to not be able to think in a more sophisticated manner.

00:42:03.120 Or you're motivated in that direction.

00:42:04.840 And in her case, I would say it's some combination of stupidity and crookedness.

00:42:09.760 But it's certainly not sophisticated.

00:42:12.080 Okay, so now we have, we've pulled in the,

00:42:14.420 now, let me make a case for the postmodernists for a minute,

00:42:18.720 because one of the things we might ask ourselves is,

00:42:21.960 the Marxists are attractive, and they can sell what they're offering,

00:42:28.360 because resentment is a very powerful motivation,

00:42:31.760 and because power does exist, and it does corrupt.

00:42:35.020 And you also pointed out that it's particularly easy to sell to young people.

00:42:40.240 And I suppose that's partly because it's not obvious to young people

00:42:44.000 why they shouldn't be resentful, especially if they've been hurt.

00:42:46.980 And also because, in many ways,

00:42:49.020 young people are at the bottom of certain hierarchies of power.

00:42:54.500 Why?

00:42:55.220 Well, because they're young.

00:42:56.340 Most people who are rich are old.

00:43:00.240 Now, if you had any sense, you'd notice that,

00:43:03.720 well, young people are rich because they're young,

00:43:06.280 whereas old people are poor because they're old.

00:43:09.580 And most old rich people would trade their wealth for youth

00:43:13.440 at the drop of a bloody hat.

00:43:15.740 But, of course, that kind of gratitude doesn't enter the dialogue.

00:43:21.320 And so it's easier to sell resentment to young people.

00:43:23.860 Having said that, so back to the postmodernist issue,

00:43:29.240 the postmodernists, so why is postmodernism so attractive?

00:43:32.540 Well, I have a hypothesis about that.

00:43:34.660 And this is actually giving the devil his due,

00:43:37.040 because the postmodernists were right about one thing,

00:43:40.360 that the Enlightenment types are still wrong about.

00:43:43.400 The postmodernists were right that we see the world through a story.

00:43:47.300 They were right about that.

00:43:48.840 And that's actually a revolutionary claim,

00:43:50.920 because the empiricist, Enlightenment, rationalist types

00:43:55.480 tend to presume that we can view the world

00:43:57.760 through something like the lens of objectivity.

00:44:00.600 And we can use the objective facts to inform our narratives,

00:44:04.800 but narrative itself is not the same thing

00:44:07.980 as a scientific view of the world.

00:44:10.460 So the postmodernists did figure out,

00:44:13.740 and bless their hearts, so to speak,

00:44:16.000 they did figure out that we live in, psychologically live inside the confines of a story,

00:44:23.220 and that a story is what binds us socially.

00:44:27.180 And so the postmodern metastasis of Marxism is particularly potent,

00:44:33.060 because it can proclaim that we live within a story.

00:44:37.880 That also makes it a theology, let's say.

00:44:40.420 And then it can say that the story is one of power.

00:44:43.060 And there's enough partial truth in both those claims

00:44:48.060 to make that a walloping adversary,

00:44:50.440 because we do live in a story,

00:44:52.540 and the story of power is, what would you say?

00:44:58.300 It's one of the three most compelling stories, right?

00:45:03.340 The story of hedonism, that's a very compelling story.

00:45:06.600 The story of divine self-sacrifice,

00:45:11.200 that's a very compelling story.

00:45:12.880 And the story of power, those are the three contenders.

00:45:15.760 And when the story of divine self-sacrifice collapses,

00:45:18.720 the story of power and its twin bedfellow, you might say, hedonism,

00:45:23.220 they come popping up like mad,

00:45:25.100 something that Nietzsche observed would happen,

00:45:27.240 and Dostoevsky as well.

00:45:29.200 So, okay.

00:45:30.520 So look, it looks like we share

00:45:32.540 something approximating a diagnostic framework.

00:45:36.040 How did you discover all of this?

00:45:38.100 Like you said, you have a bachelor's degree.

00:45:41.420 This wasn't your area of specialization.

00:45:43.560 It's like, what the hell took you down this rabbit hole?

00:45:47.020 I'm still asking myself that question.

00:45:49.920 Really, the answer is,

00:45:53.700 is I became a father.

00:45:56.480 I really didn't care about politics or any of this stuff.

00:46:01.340 And that all changed the instant,

00:46:03.620 the instant my wife told me she was pregnant.

00:46:07.400 I can't really describe it.

00:46:09.180 It was not a calling, but it was,

00:46:12.960 I was just, you know what it is?

00:46:14.940 I became curious.

00:46:16.360 Instantly, I became more curious about the world around me.

00:46:19.520 Because in the back of my head,

00:46:20.720 I was thinking soon I'm going to have a child here in nine months.

00:46:24.520 And I better take my responsibility seriously

00:46:28.660 and understand better what the hell is happening around me.

00:46:33.660 Really, what happened prior to that,

00:46:35.500 prior to that point,

00:46:36.620 which made it so easy once I became a father

00:46:39.000 to launch down this particular path,

00:46:41.260 because it's not just,

00:46:43.480 of course, I wanted to better understand the world as a whole,

00:46:45.940 but I really got focused on education.

00:46:48.040 But prior to that, in 2016,

00:46:50.520 you could call it my path to radicalization.

00:46:54.200 I saw what happened to you with Bill C-16 in Canada.

00:46:57.440 That was the first time I kind of woke up.

00:46:59.700 He could describe me as classically liberal and said,

00:47:02.060 well, what the hell is this?

00:47:03.540 We're supposed to value free speech.

00:47:05.880 And controlling someone's tongue is not free speech.

00:47:09.220 It's tyranny.

00:47:10.200 So what's this about?

00:47:11.440 What is my side doing?

00:47:14.060 After that, quickly following that,

00:47:16.020 because correct me if I'm wrong,

00:47:17.180 I think that happened in the fall of 2016

00:47:19.800 was when you kind of exploded

00:47:23.140 and, you know, you were everywhere.

00:47:25.120 Quickly following that,

00:47:26.180 in May of the following year,

00:47:27.300 I watched Evergreen State College

00:47:29.020 go into complete meltdown.

00:47:30.660 And I was thinking, what the hell is this?

00:47:33.500 I'll never forget the images coming out of there

00:47:35.660 where the president of the college was,

00:47:37.580 for those that aren't aware,

00:47:39.100 was locked in a room and told he's not leaving

00:47:41.820 until he meets the student demands.

00:47:43.660 And he asked the student

00:47:44.680 if he could go to the bathroom.

00:47:46.720 And the student sat him down and said,

00:47:48.280 you can wait.

00:47:48.920 This is the president of a college in America.

00:47:51.800 I couldn't believe it.

00:47:53.000 They were chasing or attempting

00:47:54.680 to find Brett Weinstein with baseball bats.

00:47:57.660 What the hell is going on, I think?

00:47:59.920 Then following that year,

00:48:02.040 there was a brilliant engineer

00:48:03.600 by the name of James Damore

00:48:05.160 who was fired from Google.

00:48:07.440 And as far as I can tell,

00:48:10.120 after reading the Google memo at the time,

00:48:12.180 the most controversial thing he said

00:48:14.280 was men and women are different on average.

00:48:16.760 And I was thinking,

00:48:18.760 how do you get fired for this?

00:48:21.320 So I was kind of primed.

00:48:22.840 And then when my wife said

00:48:25.160 that I would be a father,

00:48:26.520 I took that responsibility more seriously

00:48:28.880 than anything I ever have in my entire life.

00:48:32.100 And I knew I better get a grip

00:48:34.320 on what's going on in education.

00:48:35.760 I had seen what's going on in the news

00:48:39.420 and I knew something was afoot

00:48:40.840 and I started reading

00:48:41.920 and reading and reading

00:48:43.300 and I've been reading ever since.

00:48:46.480 So that's how I ended up in a place

00:48:49.140 that I never imagined I would be.

00:48:51.320 And I don't necessarily want to be in,

00:48:53.520 but there's other parents

00:48:54.900 that don't have the time

00:48:55.880 to dive into this stuff

00:48:56.820 and don't understand what's going on.

00:48:58.820 And they should know

00:48:59.820 and they should be informed.

00:49:00.760 Yeah, now you said something

00:49:04.040 worth delving into there,

00:49:06.740 many things,

00:49:07.660 but one thing particularly caught my ear.

00:49:11.780 You said my side.

00:49:14.480 So, and you had regarded yourself

00:49:16.700 as a classic liberal.

00:49:17.840 I would certainly say that

00:49:19.200 that was really how I conceptualized myself.

00:49:22.760 I never regarded myself as a conservative.

00:49:26.140 I was an admirer of Jung and Dostoevsky

00:49:29.000 and they're often regarded

00:49:30.840 by radical left-wingers as conservative,

00:49:34.460 but I don't really have the temperament

00:49:37.280 of a conservative

00:49:37.880 because I'm extremely high in openness.

00:49:40.840 And so that makes me

00:49:43.000 an unlikely conservative.

00:49:44.960 I guess I'm conservative

00:49:46.540 insofar as I do have some understanding

00:49:49.220 of just how absolutely

00:49:51.060 and utterly insane people can become

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00:49:57.580 let's say,

00:49:58.800 on the social ethos side.

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00:50:05.460 although I tend to give people

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00:50:07.700 perhaps even when I shouldn't.

00:50:09.320 That's a temperamental flaw

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00:51:57.140 What have you said?

00:51:58.620 Yeah, absolutely.

00:51:59.700 At the time,

00:52:00.260 I mean,

00:52:00.900 the entire time.

00:52:02.620 And when I say my side,

00:52:04.540 I think it's because at the time,

00:52:06.320 I really,

00:52:08.520 because of what now

00:52:09.520 I would appropriately,

00:52:11.780 I think,

00:52:12.440 call cult conditioning,

00:52:14.160 had really split the world

00:52:16.220 into black and white.

00:52:17.400 I had thought it was side by,

00:52:18.940 side versus side,

00:52:20.380 oppressor versus oppressed.

00:52:22.460 And that's why I think

00:52:24.980 I thought that way.

00:52:26.640 But it was free speech.

00:52:28.200 I took that very seriously

00:52:29.840 because I'm somewhat

00:52:31.420 a student of history,

00:52:32.480 although an amateur.

00:52:34.740 And I know what happens

00:52:36.580 when free speech is stifled

00:52:38.860 and when someone else

00:52:41.040 is allowed to control your tongue

00:52:42.760 and what happens after that.

00:52:44.400 And it's just disastrous.

00:52:46.960 And I remember feeling

00:52:48.320 after I saw that fall

00:52:49.500 that, okay,

00:52:50.460 that's weird.

00:52:51.980 That's happening a lot.

00:52:53.020 I remember thinking,

00:52:54.240 you know,

00:52:54.660 five minutes ago,

00:52:55.960 there was no such thing

00:52:58.120 as gender identity.

00:52:59.620 There was no such thing

00:53:01.080 as gender reassignment surgery.

00:53:03.100 There was no such thing

00:53:04.000 as cis heterosexuality.

00:53:06.480 Gender expression.

00:53:07.120 Gender expression.

00:53:08.360 There was no such thing as this.

00:53:10.060 I hate that term.

00:53:11.320 And now I've, you know,

00:53:12.520 I've awakened

00:53:14.080 and I'm looking around

00:53:15.480 and I'm seeing it everywhere.

00:53:16.440 I'm going,

00:53:16.760 everyone else is just kind of

00:53:18.120 acting like this

00:53:19.060 has always been this way.

00:53:20.100 Have we all gone mad?

00:53:21.280 Where has this come from?

00:53:22.900 And that's when the combination

00:53:24.020 of seeing these things happen

00:53:26.240 to people like you

00:53:27.440 and James Damore

00:53:28.380 and the people

00:53:29.320 at Evergreen State College

00:53:30.440 and then becoming a father

00:53:32.400 that really ignited my curiosity

00:53:35.160 to go out and look

00:53:36.420 because I thought.

00:53:37.020 Okay, so the father,

00:53:38.900 well, the father elements,

00:53:40.300 okay, Damore, Weinstein, myself,

00:53:44.100 that explains things conceptually.

00:53:47.060 Yeah.

00:53:47.440 Now you said that

00:53:48.220 when you became a father,

00:53:49.780 one of the transformations,

00:53:51.000 you took that responsibility

00:53:52.020 with a great degree of seriousness

00:53:53.560 more than anything in your life.

00:53:55.080 Well, that's if you actually

00:53:56.380 become a father

00:53:57.440 and you take that

00:53:58.500 with the degree of seriousness

00:53:59.680 that you should.

00:54:00.920 That is what happens to you.

00:54:02.480 That actually means

00:54:03.340 that you've grown up finally

00:54:05.160 because someone

00:54:06.040 is more important than you.

00:54:07.400 But it's very interesting

00:54:08.660 that it took

00:54:09.300 this particular form.

00:54:11.000 So was that what led

00:54:12.340 to your concentration

00:54:13.140 on education?

00:54:14.420 And if so, why?

00:54:16.940 Yeah, precisely.

00:54:18.040 Because I wanted to know

00:54:19.160 what schools my children

00:54:21.220 were going to walk into.

00:54:22.680 I had no idea

00:54:23.920 what the state

00:54:25.620 of the educational system

00:54:27.000 had been,

00:54:27.720 but I had seen

00:54:28.240 some concerning things

00:54:29.520 like schools

00:54:30.560 segregating students

00:54:32.100 on the basis

00:54:32.780 of their skin color.

00:54:33.900 That will raise

00:54:34.620 some red flags.

00:54:35.560 Is that happening everywhere?

00:54:37.360 I saw things like

00:54:38.700 drag queens

00:54:39.680 performing in front

00:54:40.900 of children

00:54:41.360 as young as four and five

00:54:43.040 without parental consent

00:54:44.360 or knowledge

00:54:45.140 in schools

00:54:46.140 with public dollars.

00:54:47.920 That'll raise

00:54:48.620 some red flags.

00:54:49.420 Like,

00:54:49.760 just what the hell

00:54:50.520 is going on?

00:54:51.180 My child is going to go there

00:54:52.520 to school

00:54:53.500 for seven or eight hours

00:54:55.400 a day.

00:54:55.980 what's happening there?

00:54:57.200 All of a sudden,

00:54:58.000 I cared.

00:54:59.200 You know,

00:54:59.400 we all go to school

00:55:00.260 and we spend

00:55:00.900 a large chunk

00:55:02.420 of our lives

00:55:03.140 in education,

00:55:04.520 but it's quick

00:55:05.940 how fast you forget

00:55:06.960 what it's like

00:55:07.740 to be in there.

00:55:08.640 And I wanted to know

00:55:09.540 what changes

00:55:11.020 had precipitated

00:55:11.800 since I had been

00:55:12.760 in education.

00:55:13.940 And like I said,

00:55:15.640 my curiosity

00:55:16.320 got the better of me

00:55:17.260 and I really took

00:55:18.000 a deep dive.

00:55:19.440 Okay,

00:55:19.760 so let's talk

00:55:20.800 about education

00:55:21.640 just for a moment.

00:55:22.660 And we can take

00:55:24.580 a stripe off

00:55:25.700 the conservatives

00:55:27.120 and the classic liberals,

00:55:29.160 probably most particularly

00:55:31.180 the conservatives,

00:55:32.220 but also the classic liberals

00:55:33.720 who've been asleep

00:55:35.020 at the bloody wheel

00:55:36.440 for four generations.

00:55:38.420 So here's some fun things

00:55:40.140 to contemplate.

00:55:41.580 So the first thing

00:55:42.380 is that

00:55:43.020 education eats up

00:55:46.100 50% of the typical

00:55:47.600 state's budget.

00:55:50.180 50%.

00:55:50.820 Okay,

00:55:51.860 so half the money

00:55:53.460 that you pay in taxes

00:55:54.620 at the state level

00:55:55.580 goes directly

00:55:57.380 to the education system.

00:55:58.860 So that's a lot of money

00:55:59.860 and that doesn't

00:56:01.060 account for the amount

00:56:02.740 of money that goes

00:56:03.420 to the education system

00:56:04.360 at the federal level.

00:56:06.240 So half,

00:56:07.820 that's a lot.

00:56:09.400 All right,

00:56:09.940 so

00:56:10.300 who has a hammerlock

00:56:12.260 on education?

00:56:14.360 Well,

00:56:14.540 how about

00:56:14.860 teachers?

00:56:17.020 Okay,

00:56:17.380 so let's divide that.

00:56:18.480 Let's talk about

00:56:19.160 teachers

00:56:19.660 as educated people

00:56:20.940 and then we can talk

00:56:21.640 about teachers

00:56:22.720 unions.

00:56:24.260 Okay,

00:56:24.620 so question one,

00:56:26.840 what political party

00:56:27.880 do the teachers unions

00:56:29.100 overwhelmingly support?

00:56:31.020 Well,

00:56:31.300 that's the Democrats.

00:56:32.360 It's like 97%

00:56:33.500 of their donations

00:56:34.320 are to the Democrats.

00:56:35.120 So that's a good thing

00:56:36.720 to keep in mind

00:56:37.780 when you're thinking

00:56:38.420 about the fact

00:56:39.040 that that's where

00:56:39.720 you spend

00:56:40.700 half your state money.

00:56:41.920 and then the other

00:56:42.900 thing to consider

00:56:43.900 and this is called

00:56:44.660 in engineering terminology

00:56:46.260 a single point

00:56:47.400 of failure

00:56:48.100 that the faculties

00:56:50.320 of education

00:56:51.020 control teacher

00:56:52.200 certification.

00:56:53.600 And so then

00:56:54.040 we might say,

00:56:54.700 well,

00:56:55.060 just exactly

00:56:56.000 who are

00:56:57.180 the faculties

00:56:58.500 of education?

00:56:59.580 And so then

00:57:00.080 we could say

00:57:00.820 the most

00:57:02.560 incompetent

00:57:03.960 and radical

00:57:05.120 possible

00:57:05.900 of all

00:57:06.900 the

00:57:07.300 university

00:57:08.900 disciplines

00:57:09.540 who simultaneously

00:57:10.980 attract

00:57:11.920 the

00:57:12.660 arguably

00:57:13.780 the lowest quality

00:57:14.840 and laziest

00:57:16.300 students.

00:57:18.040 And so

00:57:18.560 why would I say

00:57:19.400 that?

00:57:19.780 Well,

00:57:20.000 first of all,

00:57:20.520 because

00:57:20.820 I've been following

00:57:22.500 educational psychology

00:57:23.940 for four decades

00:57:25.320 with some degree

00:57:26.540 of expertise

00:57:27.860 and concentration

00:57:29.480 and

00:57:29.960 it's a

00:57:31.180 to call that field

00:57:32.700 appalling

00:57:33.300 is to barely

00:57:34.220 scrape the surface.

00:57:36.200 Virtually everything

00:57:36.940 that educational

00:57:37.740 psychologists

00:57:38.380 have discovered

00:57:39.200 is not only

00:57:40.640 wrong

00:57:41.320 scientifically

00:57:42.300 but

00:57:43.300 dangerous

00:57:44.640 ideologically

00:57:45.480 and developmentally.

00:57:47.240 Whole word learning.

00:57:48.400 There's a good example.

00:57:49.700 Social

00:57:50.140 emotional learning.

00:57:51.780 There's another one.

00:57:52.740 Multiple

00:57:53.180 intelligences.

00:57:54.600 There's another one.

00:57:56.080 Self-esteem

00:57:56.960 training.

00:57:57.800 There's another one.

00:57:59.200 None of those things

00:58:00.060 are valid

00:58:01.300 scientifically

00:58:01.800 and every single

00:58:03.040 one of them is

00:58:03.640 positively

00:58:04.940 and overwhelmingly

00:58:05.960 harmful

00:58:06.480 and that can be

00:58:07.400 laid at the feet

00:58:07.940 of the educational

00:58:08.620 psychologists.

00:58:09.900 And so

00:58:10.160 and then in terms

00:58:11.860 of low quality

00:58:13.100 students

00:58:13.600 it's like

00:58:14.060 well there's no

00:58:14.740 evidence whatsoever

00:58:15.480 that being trained

00:58:16.500 as a teacher

00:58:17.060 makes you a better

00:58:17.800 teacher

00:58:18.240 and it's certainly

00:58:19.360 not the sort of

00:58:20.420 thing that the

00:58:20.900 faculties of education

00:58:21.840 have tried to

00:58:22.720 produce evidence

00:58:24.460 about because

00:58:25.100 they're not interested

00:58:26.060 in doing actual

00:58:27.020 science

00:58:27.500 and so

00:58:28.440 and then with

00:58:29.160 regards to

00:58:29.720 laziness

00:58:30.200 it's like

00:58:30.800 well what's the

00:58:32.220 default degree

00:58:33.160 for people who

00:58:34.080 are dragging their

00:58:35.060 ass around

00:58:35.580 university

00:58:36.080 and don't know

00:58:36.640 which way is up

00:58:37.420 and so

00:58:38.940 and are pretty

00:58:39.520 much attracted

00:58:40.180 by the fact

00:58:40.780 that there's

00:58:41.120 two months

00:58:41.520 of holidays

00:58:42.080 a year

00:58:42.760 so

00:58:43.740 and is that

00:58:44.760 a too scathing

00:58:45.860 a diagnosis

00:58:46.520 not even

00:58:47.300 a bit

00:58:48.080 it's not

00:58:49.420 nearly scathing

00:58:50.340 enough

00:58:50.680 now

00:58:51.080 who might

00:58:51.680 you blame

00:58:52.080 that on

00:58:52.560 well you

00:58:53.020 could blame

00:58:53.440 it on

00:58:53.700 the faculties

00:58:54.240 of education

00:58:54.820 and the

00:58:55.140 universities

00:58:55.600 and the

00:58:56.760 students

00:58:57.040 themselves

00:58:57.460 and the

00:58:57.800 professors

00:58:58.180 and they

00:58:58.780 all played

00:58:59.180 their role

00:58:59.540 or you

00:59:00.240 could blame

00:59:01.000 it on

00:59:01.260 the idiot

00:59:01.740 conservatives

00:59:02.300 who've

00:59:02.700 been asleep

00:59:03.180 at the

00:59:03.500 bloody wheel

00:59:04.000 for four

00:59:04.440 generations

00:59:04.980 and let

00:59:05.840 the radical

00:59:06.560 incompetent

00:59:07.420 resentful

00:59:08.240 leftists

00:59:09.180 take over

00:59:09.880 the entire

00:59:10.580 education system

00:59:11.540 and then

00:59:12.680 gave them

00:59:13.460 half of all

00:59:14.160 the money

00:59:14.460 that the

00:59:14.860 states spent

00:59:15.560 so it's

00:59:17.000 like

00:59:17.240 the conservatives

00:59:18.560 what are they

00:59:19.200 asleep at the

00:59:19.880 wheel

00:59:20.100 well

00:59:20.580 they're still

00:59:22.180 asleep at the

00:59:22.780 wheel

00:59:22.960 because

00:59:23.360 even in

00:59:24.600 republican

00:59:25.000 states

00:59:25.580 the faculties

00:59:26.600 of education

00:59:27.140 have a

00:59:27.460 hammerlock

00:59:27.860 on teacher

00:59:28.280 certification

00:59:28.800 and so

00:59:29.780 you want to

00:59:30.300 lose the

00:59:30.620 culture war

00:59:31.220 well hey

00:59:32.680 boys and girls

00:59:33.880 on the

00:59:34.240 conservative

00:59:34.620 side

00:59:35.060 and the

00:59:35.660 classical

00:59:36.000 liberals

00:59:36.280 well you

00:59:36.940 already lost

00:59:37.500 the culture

00:59:37.900 war so

00:59:38.760 congratulations

00:59:39.600 on that

00:59:40.780 side

00:59:41.200 so your

00:59:42.820 diagnosis

00:59:43.520 about the

00:59:44.280 corruption

00:59:44.600 in the

00:59:44.900 education

00:59:45.320 system

00:59:45.720 is spot

00:59:46.240 on

00:59:46.520 and is

00:59:47.720 that

00:59:47.980 remediable

00:59:48.600 I doubt

00:59:49.480 it

00:59:49.740 yeah I

00:59:50.720 mean that

00:59:51.340 that's

00:59:51.740 precisely

00:59:52.180 right

00:59:52.520 there's a

00:59:53.280 very

00:59:53.580 illuminating

00:59:54.380 book

00:59:55.500 released by

00:59:57.500 he was at

00:59:58.220 Indiana State

00:59:58.920 University

00:59:59.440 at one

00:59:59.880 point I'm

01:00:00.160 not sure

01:00:00.420 if he's

01:00:00.660 there now

01:00:01.020 his name

01:00:01.960 is Isaac

01:00:02.420 Gottesman

01:00:02.920 and he's

01:00:03.260 a Marxist

01:00:03.800 educational

01:00:04.360 scholar

01:00:04.780 and he

01:00:05.560 released this

01:00:06.100 book called

01:00:06.460 The Critical

01:00:06.960 Turn in

01:00:07.460 Education

01:00:07.980 where he

01:00:08.600 lays out

01:00:09.380 the critical

01:00:10.640 Marxist

01:00:11.320 infiltration

01:00:12.240 from within

01:00:13.240 the discipline

01:00:13.780 this is a

01:00:14.280 person who's

01:00:14.880 working in

01:00:15.460 this discipline

01:00:16.100 of the

01:00:17.820 schools of

01:00:18.280 education

01:00:18.800 starting in

01:00:19.600 the 60s

01:00:20.140 he starts

01:00:20.620 his book

01:00:21.080 paragraph

01:00:22.100 one

01:00:22.660 line

01:00:23.060 one

01:00:23.480 quoting from

01:00:24.420 Paul

01:00:24.740 Bull's

01:00:25.180 classic

01:00:25.960 Marxism

01:00:26.580 in the

01:00:26.780 United

01:00:27.020 States

01:00:27.460 and he

01:00:28.360 says

01:00:28.660 where did

01:00:29.060 all of

01:00:29.360 the 60s

01:00:29.940 radicals

01:00:30.500 go

01:00:30.760 neither

01:00:31.320 to

01:00:31.660 religious

01:00:32.160 cults

01:00:32.640 nor

01:00:32.780 yuppiedom

01:00:33.400 but to

01:00:34.040 the

01:00:34.220 classroom

01:00:34.840 and then

01:00:35.600 he writes

01:00:35.920 an entire

01:00:36.320 book

01:00:36.680 about

01:00:37.240 critical

01:00:37.640 Marxists

01:00:38.360 rushing

01:00:39.080 into

01:00:39.800 as prescribed

01:00:41.160 by

01:00:41.540 Herbert

01:00:42.140 Marcuse

01:00:42.740 who was

01:00:43.620 a critical

01:00:44.880 Marxist

01:00:45.360 I'm sure

01:00:45.680 you're aware

01:00:46.080 of

01:00:46.300 as prescribed

01:00:47.840 by him

01:00:48.640 in the

01:00:49.080 60s

01:00:49.600 right into

01:00:50.100 the education

01:00:50.740 schools

01:00:51.340 into

01:00:51.920 professions

01:00:53.480 at all

01:00:54.120 levels

01:00:54.440 I mean

01:00:54.760 it's

01:00:56.060 it's

01:00:56.360 so obvious

01:00:56.920 I was

01:00:57.380 I was

01:00:57.940 reading

01:00:58.360 something

01:00:58.680 the other

01:00:58.980 day

01:00:59.120 it was

01:00:59.300 released

01:00:59.580 by the

01:00:59.960 CIA

01:01:00.300 and I'm

01:01:00.660 not sure

01:01:01.000 if that's

01:01:01.360 because

01:01:01.560 someone at

01:01:01.960 the CIA

01:01:02.420 wrote it

01:01:02.980 it was

01:01:03.200 a collection

01:01:03.620 of documents

01:01:04.320 it was

01:01:04.660 old

01:01:04.900 it was

01:01:05.140 published

01:01:05.460 online

01:01:05.800 in like

01:01:06.120 2003

01:01:06.820 about

01:01:08.560 the

01:01:09.220 free

01:01:09.700 speech

01:01:11.000 movement

01:01:11.360 of the

01:01:11.980 60s

01:01:12.460 radicals

01:01:13.080 which

01:01:13.300 you can

01:01:13.660 hardly

01:01:13.880 characterize

01:01:14.320 it as

01:01:14.780 free

01:01:15.040 speech

01:01:15.340 you want

01:01:15.560 to talk

01:01:15.880 about

01:01:16.220 Ahmaud

01:01:17.020 and Bailey

01:01:17.380 what they

01:01:17.720 were after

01:01:18.180 was not

01:01:18.620 free

01:01:18.860 speech

01:01:19.240 he was

01:01:20.640 characterizing

01:01:21.120 and he's

01:01:21.440 sitting here

01:01:21.780 and it was

01:01:22.000 the president

01:01:22.400 of one

01:01:22.700 of these

01:01:22.960 universities

01:01:23.700 and he's

01:01:24.220 asking

01:01:24.580 himself

01:01:25.180 he's

01:01:25.420 completely

01:01:25.880 perplexed

01:01:27.060 by the

01:01:27.580 idea

01:01:27.920 that students

01:01:28.540 have chosen

01:01:29.040 the university

01:01:29.900 to plunder

01:01:31.440 and take

01:01:31.980 over the

01:01:32.420 system

01:01:32.780 and I'm

01:01:33.240 sitting here

01:01:33.700 reading this

01:01:34.260 like well

01:01:34.820 conservatives

01:01:35.720 Mr.

01:01:36.620 provost

01:01:37.000 or president

01:01:37.460 of course

01:01:38.640 that's where

01:01:39.340 everyone is

01:01:40.020 certified

01:01:40.460 to do

01:01:41.140 all of

01:01:41.660 the work

01:01:42.100 that's

01:01:42.720 where

01:01:42.860 everyone

01:01:43.300 starts

01:01:43.800 their

01:01:44.040 career

01:01:44.360 through

01:01:44.560 the

01:01:44.720 university

01:01:45.180 it's

01:01:46.040 the

01:01:46.320 the

01:01:47.080 Marxists

01:01:47.500 figured

01:01:47.840 out

01:01:48.180 in the

01:01:48.620 60s

01:01:49.100 that the

01:01:49.420 problem

01:01:49.800 of

01:01:50.000 reproduction

01:01:50.500 of

01:01:50.760 society

01:01:51.180 is

01:01:51.440 solved

01:01:51.780 in the

01:01:52.320 university

01:01:52.920 and that's

01:01:53.660 why they

01:01:53.940 rushed

01:01:54.180 in there

01:01:54.520 and it's

01:01:55.300 absolutely

01:01:56.200 it's

01:01:58.700 absolutely

01:01:59.440 proof

01:02:01.860 positive

01:02:02.400 of what's

01:02:03.140 happening

01:02:03.440 you can

01:02:03.760 just

01:02:03.960 I mean

01:02:04.300 they've

01:02:04.480 got

01:02:04.660 numerous

01:02:05.080 books

01:02:05.400 I've

01:02:05.600 read

01:02:05.740 dozens

01:02:06.540 of books

01:02:07.140 and hundreds

01:02:07.960 of papers

01:02:08.660 and maybe

01:02:09.480 thousands

01:02:09.940 of dissertations

01:02:11.200 from people

01:02:11.660 within these

01:02:12.280 departments

01:02:12.680 and they all

01:02:13.240 say the

01:02:13.580 same thing

01:02:14.100 so it's

01:02:14.760 just

01:02:14.920 miraculous

01:02:15.440 that

01:02:16.200 conservatives

01:02:16.800 have missed

01:02:17.280 it

01:02:17.400 well they're

01:02:17.480 doing

01:02:17.680 exactly

01:02:18.240 yeah

01:02:19.120 well

01:02:19.440 it's

01:02:19.940 yeah

01:02:20.220 well

01:02:20.560 you know

01:02:21.440 that's

01:02:22.900 what happens

01:02:23.320 when you

01:02:23.600 put your

01:02:23.940 head in

01:02:24.180 the sand

01:02:24.580 and you

01:02:25.020 you're not

01:02:26.280 interested in

01:02:27.120 why would

01:02:28.380 you bother

01:02:28.880 studying

01:02:29.560 philosophy

01:02:30.380 why would

01:02:32.040 you bother

01:02:32.520 studying

01:02:33.120 literature

01:02:33.660 well how

01:02:34.560 about because

01:02:35.100 literature

01:02:35.500 describes the

01:02:36.140 way we

01:02:36.400 think and

01:02:36.920 philosophy

01:02:37.920 is the

01:02:39.560 analysis of

01:02:40.320 this

01:02:40.620 structures that

01:02:41.820 guide our

01:02:42.320 perception and

01:02:42.980 our actions

01:02:43.560 how about

01:02:43.960 that

01:02:44.400 well I'm

01:02:45.360 interested in

01:02:45.880 more practical

01:02:46.480 things it's

01:02:47.080 like well

01:02:47.360 that's all

01:02:47.780 well and

01:02:48.100 good when

01:02:48.420 the underlying

01:02:48.900 philosophy is

01:02:49.560 in place

01:02:50.040 when the

01:02:51.460 underlying

01:02:51.900 philosophy that's

01:02:52.720 in place is

01:02:53.320 functional and

01:02:54.160 allows you to

01:02:55.200 attend to

01:02:56.140 your practical

01:02:56.860 matters but

01:02:57.720 it's a pretty

01:02:58.240 dangerous form of

01:02:59.800 willful blindness

01:03:01.280 and disinterest

01:03:02.080 when the whole

01:03:02.820 goddamn thing has

01:03:03.660 become corrupt

01:03:04.280 beyond belief

01:03:05.080 now you know

01:03:06.120 this takeover of

01:03:07.740 the faculties of

01:03:08.440 education like

01:03:09.180 this is truly

01:03:10.320 metastasized in the

01:03:11.500 last five years

01:03:12.340 we're at the

01:03:13.380 point in Canada

01:03:14.180 now for example

01:03:15.180 where the

01:03:16.400 university programs

01:03:18.540 that train

01:03:19.380 clinical psychologists

01:03:20.480 for example to

01:03:22.060 be weak-kneed

01:03:23.080 lily-livered

01:03:24.080 cowards in

01:03:25.040 relationship to

01:03:25.820 such travesties as

01:03:26.980 gender-affirming

01:03:27.680 care let's say

01:03:28.900 they can't get

01:03:29.960 accredited as

01:03:31.420 training institutions

01:03:32.400 for clinical

01:03:33.420 psychologists unless

01:03:34.580 they have a social

01:03:35.320 justice orientation

01:03:36.200 which basically

01:03:37.280 means a

01:03:37.820 Marxist

01:03:38.480 post-modernist

01:03:39.440 orientation because

01:03:40.740 of course that's

01:03:41.700 exactly what you

01:03:42.420 want in your

01:03:43.000 clinical psychologist

01:03:43.940 because everything

01:03:44.900 is about group

01:03:45.640 consciousness at

01:03:46.700 the psychological

01:03:47.180 level or so say

01:03:48.760 the tyrannical

01:03:50.000 Marxists and it's

01:03:51.340 not just education

01:03:52.400 it's education

01:03:53.860 it's law

01:03:55.680 it's medicine

01:03:57.420 and increasingly

01:03:59.660 it's science

01:04:01.780 technology

01:04:02.460 engineering and

01:04:03.200 mathematics and I

01:04:04.380 would say the most

01:04:05.420 blatant evidence for

01:04:06.980 that at the moment

01:04:08.140 is the ideological

01:04:10.040 takeover of the two

01:04:11.980 leading science

01:04:13.180 journals in the

01:04:14.040 world

01:04:14.360 science and nature

01:04:15.740 by the kinds of

01:04:17.460 Marxists who

01:04:18.260 proclaimed this

01:04:19.200 week for example

01:04:20.160 that scientists

01:04:21.200 saw this was

01:04:21.900 nature all around

01:04:23.060 the world are

01:04:23.640 rejoicing between

01:04:24.540 because Kamala

01:04:25.740 Harris's mother

01:04:26.700 was a scientist

01:04:28.360 and so she's

01:04:29.940 pro-science in the

01:04:31.300 appropriate way

01:04:32.100 and of course her

01:04:32.720 father was a

01:04:33.480 Marxist professor

01:04:34.400 and I don't

01:04:35.800 remember if that

01:04:36.460 made it into the

01:04:37.160 article or not

01:04:37.900 and so there's an

01:04:40.100 explicit political

01:04:40.960 stance being taken

01:04:42.040 on the part of

01:04:43.820 the editors of

01:04:45.280 nature which for

01:04:46.360 150 years was

01:04:48.600 the place where

01:04:50.080 every scientist in

01:04:51.280 the world regardless

01:04:52.100 of discipline made

01:04:53.580 their reputation

01:04:54.780 one publication in

01:04:56.280 nature one

01:04:57.080 publication in

01:04:57.840 science you could

01:04:58.940 if you were a

01:04:59.520 first author you

01:05:00.580 were qualified to

01:05:02.660 be hired at a

01:05:03.820 top level position

01:05:04.680 at any university

01:05:05.620 there was in a

01:05:06.380 scientific discipline

01:05:07.160 that's the power

01:05:08.080 those journals have

01:05:08.900 and they've been

01:05:09.620 taken over by the

01:05:10.420 bloody ideologues

01:05:11.300 and so the

01:05:13.000 infiltration is

01:05:14.280 radical and

01:05:15.440 complete and

01:05:16.420 conservatives were

01:05:17.680 100% asleep at

01:05:19.540 the wheel the same

01:05:20.680 thing can be said

01:05:21.440 about scientists

01:05:22.280 like I saw this

01:05:23.500 coming eight

01:05:25.700 years ago more

01:05:27.080 probably ten when

01:05:28.640 I really started to

01:05:29.440 become aware of it

01:05:30.100 I thought oh I

01:05:31.200 see the neo

01:05:33.160 Marxist post

01:05:33.900 modernists have

01:05:34.560 taken over the

01:05:35.260 humanities they've

01:05:36.440 infiltrated the

01:05:37.240 social sciences and

01:05:38.400 now they're heading

01:05:38.960 for the hard

01:05:39.880 sciences like the

01:05:41.020 engineering faculties

01:05:42.620 and people thought

01:05:45.520 or told me well you

01:05:46.720 know they'll never get

01:05:47.480 anywhere with the

01:05:48.140 scientists and I

01:05:49.300 thought are you

01:05:50.040 absolutely out of

01:05:50.880 your mind scientists

01:05:52.240 are apolitical the

01:05:54.220 goddamn radicals will

01:05:55.900 go through them like

01:05:57.040 hot like a hot knife

01:05:58.820 through butter they

01:05:59.740 won't know what hit

01:06:00.560 them they'll have

01:06:01.260 absolutely no defense

01:06:02.620 whatsoever just like

01:06:03.940 James Damore had no

01:06:04.960 no defense and of

01:06:06.500 course that's proceeding

01:06:08.520 at a pace that

01:06:09.900 takeover which is

01:06:11.360 really the demise of

01:06:12.320 science really the

01:06:14.160 demise of science a

01:06:15.080 very fragile enterprise

01:06:16.340 at best that's

01:06:17.720 proceeding a pace at a

01:06:19.200 rate that's really

01:06:20.180 quite miraculous so so

01:06:23.440 the conservatives have

01:06:24.400 plenty on their

01:06:25.720 conscience it's like you

01:06:27.080 guys were asleep at the

01:06:28.040 wheel and you let the

01:06:29.520 radicals infiltrate the

01:06:31.420 you let them parasitize

01:06:35.000 the wealth of the west

01:06:36.300 that's been built up

01:06:37.240 since the end of world

01:06:38.020 war ii including the

01:06:41.400 minds of the young

01:06:43.440 appalling so that's what

01:06:47.260 you discovered how much

01:06:48.240 fun for you it's

01:06:49.280 absolutely brutal and

01:06:51.580 you know we

01:06:54.020 characterize in the book

01:06:55.100 the queering of the

01:06:55.700 American child we

01:06:56.260 characterize this as a

01:06:58.920 religious cult we

01:06:59.940 we're we're very

01:07:01.480 forward in the very

01:07:02.840 first line of the book

01:07:03.660 education is in the grip

01:07:04.700 of a religious cult and

01:07:05.760 for anyone who has

01:07:06.600 listened to cult survivors

01:07:07.980 or spoken to someone who

01:07:09.640 is currently in a cult or

01:07:11.080 has studied cults to any

01:07:12.300 degree whatsoever you

01:07:14.000 quickly find that the

01:07:16.400 levers of control are

01:07:17.720 social and emotional and

01:07:19.040 those are things we are

01:07:19.920 just all super

01:07:20.840 susceptible to and one of

01:07:22.360 the things the left has

01:07:23.200 done a brilliant job with

01:07:24.420 over the last 60 years is

01:07:26.120 developing tactics of

01:07:28.020 social and emotional

01:07:29.020 leverage that can help

01:07:31.040 bulldoze your your

01:07:32.720 reasonable and

01:07:33.700 rational faculties i was

01:07:35.700 just talking to my my

01:07:36.980 father uh earlier this

01:07:39.540 week about this you know

01:07:40.700 he was asking me how can

01:07:42.580 brilliant people believe

01:07:45.040 such ridiculous things you

01:07:46.540 had talked about nature i

01:07:47.920 think it was in as early

01:07:49.200 as 2015 there were there

01:07:50.700 were publishing articles

01:07:51.660 saying sex redefined there's

01:07:54.000 no biological basis for

01:07:55.740 sex it's a spectrum and

01:07:57.180 we're thinking my god where

01:07:58.500 is this coming from and

01:08:00.000 he said how how to

01:08:01.660 rational reasonable people

01:08:03.580 who are very well

01:08:04.600 educated who are doing

01:08:06.020 very well from those how

01:08:07.080 how do they fall for this

01:08:08.520 and the conversation uh

01:08:11.600 went in a direction where

01:08:12.800 i basically said well

01:08:14.000 from the perspective of

01:08:15.820 social and emotional

01:08:17.420 leverage it's it's no

01:08:18.780 wonder they've fallen for

01:08:20.000 it because we don't have

01:08:21.080 many defense defense

01:08:22.240 mechanisms for that and

01:08:23.580 the ones we do have are

01:08:25.040 really dusty and rusty

01:08:26.720 because they've been under

01:08:27.620 attack for a very long

01:08:28.720 time um so it's not it's

01:08:31.160 not a surprise that so

01:08:32.180 many people are overwhelmed

01:08:33.220 by this because it's not

01:08:34.980 fun to be ostracized or

01:08:36.760 selected out the cult singled

01:08:38.720 out shot down singled out

01:08:40.260 shot definitely in the yeah

01:08:42.020 yeah yeah yeah it's very

01:08:43.980 powerful weapon right yeah i

01:08:46.060 mean we uh one of the books

01:08:48.100 we quote in our book the

01:08:50.200 queering of the american

01:08:50.820 child was robert j lifton's

01:08:52.620 book and i'm sure you're

01:08:53.720 you're familiar with robert

01:08:54.640 j lifton he was a expert in

01:08:56.580 cult psychology he wrote a

01:08:58.460 really famous book called

01:09:00.080 thought reform in the

01:09:01.160 psychology of totalism a

01:09:02.680 study of brainwashing in

01:09:03.800 china and what he did was

01:09:05.840 he interviewed those who

01:09:07.460 came out of mao's

01:09:08.420 brainwashing camps their

01:09:09.980 thought reform prisons and

01:09:12.000 he kind of laid out how

01:09:13.640 cults operate really for the

01:09:16.060 first time that i'm aware

01:09:17.180 of and when you you look

01:09:19.420 through his list that now

01:09:20.700 is i don't know 60 or 70

01:09:22.380 years old you see all of

01:09:23.800 that in places like our

01:09:25.120 schools it's almost entirely

01:09:26.680 a social and emotional game

01:09:28.140 so i'm not too surprised

01:09:29.240 that even when people were

01:09:31.120 bright enough to perceive

01:09:32.440 that something was wrong

01:09:33.600 that they didn't have

01:09:34.640 defenses for it just because

01:09:35.920 that game is a strong one

01:09:37.380 that that that magic is is

01:09:39.700 very difficult to overcome

01:09:41.300 yeah well the thing is too is

01:09:44.600 that real scientists let's

01:09:46.700 say real mathematicians

01:09:48.200 they're not political

01:09:50.980 because if you're going to

01:09:53.820 be a top performing

01:09:55.140 scientist so let's say in

01:09:57.380 the top one percent of your

01:09:58.820 field which is where all the

01:10:00.860 work is done right all the

01:10:03.240 other 99 percent that's all

01:10:05.060 practice that's all training

01:10:07.880 that's all mostly wrong

01:10:11.340 because most studies don't

01:10:13.200 replicate most scientific

01:10:15.000 research is erroneous but one

01:10:17.800 percent of it isn't and if

01:10:19.080 you want to be in that one

01:10:19.920 percent well you better be

01:10:21.840 super bright first of all and

01:10:24.140 then you better be like 99th

01:10:25.900 percentile conscientiousness

01:10:27.380 conscientious so all you do is

01:10:29.440 work all the time on your area

01:10:31.420 of specialty like 80 hours a

01:10:33.080 week flat out with your

01:10:35.440 students you don't have time for

01:10:37.220 anything else and that's

01:10:39.320 wonderful when the universities

01:10:40.540 have put four layers of wall

01:10:42.900 between you and the you and

01:10:44.980 the world and you're funded by

01:10:47.260 people who actually want to

01:10:48.500 generate knowledge so that you

01:10:50.160 can pursue your obsessional

01:10:52.540 concern with some scientific

01:10:54.860 triviality that might lead to a

01:10:56.780 real discovery for the 15 years

01:11:00.180 that it takes you to become a

01:11:01.520 domain expert but it's

01:11:03.580 completely counterproductive when

01:11:06.440 you're under assault by resentful

01:11:09.260 parasites and that's where we're

01:11:11.400 at you know our language is very

01:11:14.360 polluted and and perverted as

01:11:16.600 well and even in this

01:11:17.960 conversation we're falling prey to

01:11:20.080 the terminology of the radicals we

01:11:23.700 talk about capitalism that's a

01:11:25.480 pathological word we're really

01:11:27.760 talking about free exchange right the

01:11:30.640 free exchange of goods services and

01:11:32.240 ideas right not capitalism and this

01:11:35.660 isn't left versus right if you

01:11:39.160 oppose the radicals you're not

01:11:40.800 right wing you're not even

01:11:42.580 conservative what we have what

01:11:44.680 we're in is a war between the

01:11:47.300 resentful hedonistic and power mad

01:11:49.820 and everyone else right so that it's

01:11:53.660 not a political war if you're right

01:11:56.680 and I think you are it's a

01:11:57.820 theological war and a raid on one

01:12:00.660 side are definitely the forces of

01:12:02.760 resentment hedonism and power

01:12:06.200 right and if you're a good cynic you

01:12:09.100 think that's all there is because

01:12:11.220 there's no there's where the

01:12:12.720 postmodernism comes into play there's

01:12:14.900 no uniting metanarrative outside of

01:12:17.860 the claims of power hedonism and

01:12:20.280 resentment right and you know if

01:12:23.920 you're cynical nihilistic it's very

01:12:26.400 easy to believe that especially if it

01:12:28.540 serves your self-interest your

01:12:31.120 hedonism and your desire for power

01:12:32.960 and so you can wave that in front of

01:12:36.020 bitter people like a meat covered

01:12:40.540 bone in front of a ravenous dog and

01:12:42.720 away you'll go leading them down the

01:12:45.640 path of perdition to totalitarian hell

01:12:48.220 which is a pathway we've trod several

01:12:50.780 times in the 20th century right to

01:12:53.480 everyone's great dismay and so okay so

01:12:57.800 it's the it's not a political struggle

01:13:00.980 so let's go back to the children easy

01:13:03.880 sell to children there's something else

01:13:05.920 too that's hard on the conservative

01:13:07.820 types let's say

01:13:08.980 so when the appeal like the appeal that

01:13:15.880 you described being made by people like

01:13:18.460 kimberly crenshaw and judith butler who's

01:13:20.720 perhaps the worst of the worst except for

01:13:23.260 maybe foucault uh see they also appeal to

01:13:28.700 creative people because a creative person

01:13:32.380 does have an issue with normality

01:13:37.440 because if you're creative which means

01:13:40.540 you're high in openness you're not normal

01:13:43.140 your identity is protein and fluid and if

01:13:49.840 you're young and creative you're in a weird

01:13:52.340 bind because your talent will serve you

01:13:56.900 extremely well if you can find a position

01:14:00.800 where it can be utilized but it makes you

01:14:03.100 an absolutely brutally miserable employee in

01:14:07.540 a job that requires

01:14:09.160 what that you inhabit a a box and you act

01:14:14.940 like everyone else well that isn't the

01:14:17.060 creative person's niche you know i did a study

01:14:20.060 at harvard that we never published when

01:14:23.020 piercing and tattooing became common in

01:14:26.220 the 1990s i did a study with a fellow

01:14:28.820 psychopathologist looking at whether the

01:14:32.140 proclivity to tattoo and pierce which was

01:14:34.260 still kind of countercultural at the time

01:14:35.960 was an indication of psychopathology and

01:14:38.260 we found out that it wasn't it was just

01:14:39.740 associated with the trade openness it was

01:14:42.100 just an expression of creativity the blue haired

01:14:45.960 woke type that hair coloring with the piercings

01:14:49.180 that's a reflection of openness and the

01:14:53.180 pathology pathological ideology of the

01:14:56.620 anti-normative radicals does also appeal to

01:15:02.720 creative young people because they actually

01:15:06.200 do have fluid identities and they don't fit in

01:15:08.960 and so that's another place where the

01:15:10.860 oversimplifying lie finds a ready audience

01:15:14.360 so of course if you're a creative young person

01:15:17.520 you're going to feel that you're at odds with

01:15:19.200 the heteronormative

01:15:20.340 cis patriarchy because you are

01:15:23.840 right now that doesn't mean that

01:15:26.580 you shouldn't be grateful for the fact that

01:15:28.760 you're not scrabbling around in the dirt like a

01:15:30.900 peasant from the 13th century

01:15:32.460 but unless someone has sat you down carefully

01:15:35.580 and explained that to you

01:15:36.860 and that's certainly not going to happen in

01:15:39.260 the education system

01:15:40.300 you're just going to feel that the world is arrayed

01:15:43.640 against someone with your generative talents

01:15:46.380 which of course it is because

01:15:48.440 normal society

01:15:51.160 never incorporates the creative because

01:15:55.240 it's a one-size-fits-all solution

01:15:58.340 I should add that children are easier targets

01:16:03.980 for obvious reasons

01:16:05.060 they just don't have a model of the world

01:16:07.880 they have no way of orienting themselves

01:16:11.500 correctly in the world

01:16:13.000 they're just too young

01:16:14.100 they don't have the experience

01:16:15.380 they're supposed to have adults in their lives

01:16:17.220 that help with that

01:16:17.960 but I will also add that

01:16:19.660 especially in the domain of queer theory

01:16:22.220 the abuse is intentional

01:16:24.620 one of the people we quote in the book

01:16:28.220 Kevin Kumashiro

01:16:29.060 he's one of these queer educators

01:16:31.500 and I should

01:16:32.560 before I continue with that

01:16:34.140 I should define what I mean by queer

01:16:36.160 because that's something people immediately get wrong

01:16:38.320 our definition we use in the book

01:16:40.220 we use the word over 1300 times

01:16:41.980 it may be a Guinness record

01:16:43.080 our definition we take directly from David Halperin

01:16:46.140 in his 1995 book

01:16:47.600 Saint Foucault

01:16:49.260 Towards a Gay Hagiography

01:16:51.080 where he's essentially trying to make

01:16:52.620 Michel Foucault was a gay saint

01:16:54.740 and in his book he says that

01:16:56.960 that would be the Michel Foucault

01:16:58.720 who had a proclivity to take young boys into graveyards

01:17:03.340 and have his hedonistic way with them

01:17:05.800 that Saint Foucault

01:17:07.660 that gentleman

01:17:08.660 who spent his

01:17:09.980 who bent his IQ of 180

01:17:12.360 his entire life

01:17:13.740 in service of justifying

01:17:16.720 the perversions that he was absolutely unable to control

01:17:20.120 even when he had AIDS

01:17:21.660 even when he knew it

01:17:23.120 that Foucault

01:17:24.380 that Foucault

01:17:25.220 Saint Michel

01:17:26.000 that Foucault

01:17:27.260 oh yeah so

01:17:28.100 I just wanted to make sure

01:17:29.260 that we were talking about the same person

01:17:30.920 that's the same Foucault

01:17:32.160 who is the most cited scholar in the world

01:17:35.500 that's right

01:17:36.380 that Michel Foucault

01:17:37.780 okay well good

01:17:38.760 so we're definitely talking about

01:17:40.480 the same stellar guy

01:17:42.080 yeah so the definition we use

01:17:44.680 it's that

01:17:45.100 it's that Foucault

01:17:46.100 is David Halperin's

01:17:48.000 and it is the definition

01:17:49.200 that all of queer theory recognizes

01:17:51.000 even though when you've

01:17:52.540 you read their papers

01:17:53.600 they say it escapes definition

01:17:55.020 it can't be categorized

01:17:56.040 of course that's what they're going to say

01:17:57.180 because that's the whole program

01:17:58.180 but David Halperin says

01:17:59.760 that queer is defined in this way

01:18:01.360 he says

01:18:01.720 unlike gay identity

01:18:03.020 queer identity

01:18:04.820 need not be grounded

01:18:06.100 in any positive truth

01:18:08.100 or in any stable reality

01:18:10.040 queer acquires

01:18:11.480 its meaning

01:18:12.580 from its oppositional relation

01:18:14.320 to the norm

01:18:15.100 queer is by definition

01:18:16.560 whatever is at odds

01:18:18.300 with the normal

01:18:18.980 the legitimate

01:18:19.580 the dominant

01:18:20.260 there is nothing in particular

01:18:21.740 to which it necessarily refers

01:18:23.340 it is an identity

01:18:24.440 without an essence

01:18:25.380 that's the definition

01:18:26.820 we're going with

01:18:27.580 it has essentially

01:18:28.980 nothing to do

01:18:30.360 with being

01:18:31.320 it's right away

01:18:32.300 unlike gay

01:18:33.140 nothing to do with

01:18:33.860 and it's actually

01:18:34.600 antithetical towards it

01:18:36.680 because these

01:18:37.160 and sure

01:18:38.020 because gay is a stable identity

01:18:40.100 it's stable

01:18:40.740 you lose the revolutionary potential

01:18:42.400 if you happen to be gay

01:18:43.520 and you're living a great life

01:18:44.680 and you're happy

01:18:45.280 you fit into a well-functioning

01:18:46.860 prosperous society

01:18:47.800 they've lost the resentment

01:18:49.060 you're not going to work

01:18:50.000 get out of here

01:18:50.800 so before I continue

01:18:52.460 I just wanted to

01:18:53.240 clarify that point

01:18:54.300 because that's a point

01:18:55.460 that requires clarification

01:18:56.500 yeah

01:18:57.160 that's crucial

01:18:58.960 because otherwise

01:18:59.720 it's easy for people

01:19:01.320 to presume

01:19:02.580 that queer

01:19:03.860 is just a minor variant

01:19:05.520 of gay

01:19:06.140 and that definition

01:19:07.840 well that's

01:19:08.500 if that definition

01:19:09.680 doesn't send chills

01:19:10.720 down your spine

01:19:11.520 you're dangerously naive

01:19:12.780 right

01:19:13.300 because that's a

01:19:14.160 that's an identity

01:19:15.660 that's predicated

01:19:16.780 on the negation

01:19:17.980 of identity

01:19:18.720 as such

01:19:19.920 both psychologically

01:19:21.300 and socially

01:19:21.880 that also means

01:19:23.120 technically

01:19:23.700 that it's a

01:19:25.080 and this is relevant

01:19:26.340 to the observations

01:19:28.340 by Jonathan Haidt

01:19:29.580 and others

01:19:30.020 that radical

01:19:31.780 that the radical

01:19:33.000 progressive agenda

01:19:33.940 is associated

01:19:34.660 with a

01:19:35.140 a marked increase

01:19:37.240 in

01:19:37.700 mental illness

01:19:39.280 an unstable identity

01:19:41.920 dooms you

01:19:43.080 to a dearth

01:19:44.320 of positive emotion

01:19:45.340 that's hopelessness

01:19:46.400 and an excess

01:19:47.400 of negative emotion

01:19:48.380 that's anxiety

01:19:49.220 like an unstable identity

01:19:50.720 an unstable

01:19:52.220 self-questioning

01:19:53.560 antithetical identity

01:19:55.020 is indistinguishable

01:19:56.740 from

01:19:57.220 psychological suffering

01:19:59.200 and social disunity

01:20:00.260 they're the same thing

01:20:02.000 right

01:20:02.700 so it's a celebration

01:20:03.720 of

01:20:04.260 well there's your

01:20:05.060 post-modernism for you

01:20:06.240 that would be

01:20:07.220 a fractionation

01:20:08.160 of the metanarrative

01:20:09.180 all the way down

01:20:09.940 to the microscopic

01:20:10.720 nothing unifies anything

01:20:13.220 right

01:20:13.860 and it's not even

01:20:15.100 I would even

01:20:16.080 brutal

01:20:16.740 I would even add

01:20:17.820 that it's not an identity

01:20:19.200 at all

01:20:19.600 because there's no

01:20:20.220 essential quality to it

01:20:21.480 what it is

01:20:21.980 is it's a

01:20:22.780 spiritual

01:20:23.640 position

01:20:24.820 it's a stance

01:20:25.900 you take

01:20:26.380 it's an orientation

01:20:27.280 in the world

01:20:28.700 against anything

01:20:29.820 considered normal

01:20:30.800 anything considered

01:20:32.120 legitimate

01:20:32.560 and what makes

01:20:33.720 the teaching of this

01:20:34.980 to children

01:20:35.460 I

01:20:35.760 I wanted

01:20:37.500 to add to this

01:20:38.560 it's not just

01:20:39.160 that kids are

01:20:39.780 easier to brainwash

01:20:41.420 let's say

01:20:42.160 it's that

01:20:43.460 the queer theorists

01:20:44.200 are very specific

01:20:44.940 that

01:20:45.600 their program

01:20:47.080 is abusive

01:20:47.920 to children

01:20:48.720 they've got a program

01:20:49.500 that's designed

01:20:50.340 to pull social

01:20:52.420 and emotional levers

01:20:53.420 to make children

01:20:54.440 accept this

01:20:55.100 so the

01:20:55.860 person I was talking

01:20:57.200 about earlier

01:20:57.640 Kevin Kumashiro

01:20:58.740 queer activist

01:21:00.060 he wrote a few papers

01:21:01.380 that will

01:21:02.000 just floor you

01:21:03.780 his paper

01:21:04.480 against repetition

01:21:05.420 was the reason

01:21:05.960 I wrote this book

01:21:06.800 I read that paper

01:21:08.200 and I said

01:21:08.480 okay

01:21:08.860 that's it

01:21:09.760 now this is the book

01:21:10.680 to write people

01:21:11.240 I have to know

01:21:11.660 he said that

01:21:12.580 educators have a

01:21:13.500 responsibility

01:21:14.040 to pull children

01:21:15.220 into crisis

01:21:16.340 a responsibility

01:21:17.420 so that that crisis

01:21:19.160 can be

01:21:19.760 resolved productively

01:21:21.580 and what he means

01:21:22.420 by this

01:21:22.960 from within the context

01:21:24.600 of queer theory

01:21:25.280 is that queer theory

01:21:26.800 argues that kids

01:21:27.520 want to be normal

01:21:28.260 of course they do

01:21:29.700 and if they're desiring

01:21:31.300 to be normal

01:21:32.000 and to plug into

01:21:33.060 a society

01:21:33.800 that's working

01:21:34.500 a well-functioning

01:21:35.720 society

01:21:36.300 then they can't

01:21:38.020 experience the queer

01:21:39.060 the definition

01:21:39.840 that we just discussed

01:21:40.900 they can't experience it

01:21:42.320 if that's what

01:21:42.860 they're desiring

01:21:43.400 so you need to

01:21:44.300 interrupt

01:21:45.360 that desire

01:21:46.700 to fit in

01:21:47.680 with something

01:21:48.640 and that something

01:21:49.520 is crisis

01:21:50.360 what he says is

01:21:51.980 one of the ways

01:21:53.840 you do this

01:21:54.320 is you explain

01:21:54.960 to kids

01:21:55.340 that they may hold

01:21:56.120 racist beliefs

01:21:57.000 that they weren't

01:21:57.580 aware of

01:21:58.040 you might hold

01:21:59.300 homophobic beliefs

01:22:00.180 that you weren't

01:22:00.820 aware of

01:22:01.320 and then you've

01:22:01.840 got this

01:22:02.400 special knowledge

01:22:04.420 that's coming

01:22:05.060 from the queer theorist

01:22:06.100 about all of the

01:22:06.840 isms and phobias

01:22:07.820 that no one can

01:22:08.460 perceive but them

01:22:09.420 just like a cult guru

01:22:10.780 or a cult leader

01:22:11.640 they've got this

01:22:12.620 gnostic insight

01:22:13.940 this special knowledge

01:22:15.180 that you need

01:22:15.740 to be initiated into

01:22:16.860 and they drive

01:22:18.040 cognitive dissonance

01:22:19.980 into the child

01:22:21.040 the technical term

01:22:22.680 is trauma bonding

01:22:23.640 they traumatize

01:22:24.520 the child

01:22:24.900 you're a racist

01:22:25.560 you don't know it

01:22:26.240 you're a sexist

01:22:27.040 you don't know it

01:22:27.680 the kid wants

01:22:28.700 to resolve this trauma

01:22:29.620 and then to kevin

01:22:30.660 kumashiro's words

01:22:31.400 we help them

01:22:31.940 resolve it productively

01:22:33.080 so we help use

01:22:34.300 that trauma

01:22:34.860 to generate

01:22:35.360 well resolve it

01:22:37.700 in what

01:22:38.680 okay

01:22:39.300 i want to ask you

01:22:41.340 that let me take

01:22:42.160 apart a couple

01:22:42.720 of things that you

01:22:43.400 said okay

01:22:43.920 so the first thing

01:22:44.740 that we should

01:22:45.180 point out

01:22:45.660 is that

01:22:46.120 there is no

01:22:48.600 difference

01:22:49.160 between being

01:22:49.960 socialized

01:22:50.860 and being normal

01:22:52.340 and fitting in

01:22:53.080 those are the

01:22:53.800 same thing

01:22:54.560 right

01:22:55.760 and so

01:22:56.220 the technical

01:22:57.320 way of thinking

01:22:57.960 about that

01:22:58.480 is that

01:22:58.940 well if you're

01:22:59.860 socialized

01:23:00.680 you can play

01:23:01.800 a game

01:23:02.180 with other people

01:23:02.980 those

01:23:04.180 those concepts

01:23:05.720 are indistinguishable

01:23:06.680 now if you can

01:23:08.060 play a game

01:23:08.560 with other people

01:23:09.320 well first of all

01:23:10.400 that means you

01:23:10.960 can play a game

01:23:11.720 and it also means

01:23:12.780 you can play

01:23:13.820 and it means that

01:23:14.920 other people

01:23:15.440 can stand you

01:23:16.760 and that you can

01:23:18.220 interact with them

01:23:19.080 peacefully

01:23:19.500 when you cooperate

01:23:20.440 and when you

01:23:21.100 compete

01:23:21.500 and that you can

01:23:22.700 organize yourselves

01:23:23.800 with others

01:23:24.340 to pursue a

01:23:25.120 joint aim

01:23:25.740 that's all

01:23:26.720 in the notion

01:23:27.660 of play

01:23:28.240 okay

01:23:29.000 well of course

01:23:29.720 you have to be

01:23:30.260 normal and fit in

01:23:31.800 because

01:23:32.160 if you all

01:23:34.260 are playing a game

01:23:35.120 you all follow

01:23:35.780 the same rules

01:23:36.540 because otherwise

01:23:37.160 you're not all

01:23:37.800 playing the same game

01:23:38.860 okay now

01:23:39.860 it's obviously

01:23:40.740 the case

01:23:41.280 and this would be

01:23:41.860 the grain of truth

01:23:42.680 is that

01:23:43.140 you can

01:23:44.300 subjugate

01:23:45.780 that creative

01:23:47.420 essence

01:23:47.860 that might

01:23:48.520 enable you

01:23:49.300 to discover

01:23:50.040 a better game

01:23:51.220 if you're

01:23:52.000 too much

01:23:52.520 of a conformist

01:23:53.540 but it's still

01:23:54.780 the case

01:23:55.320 that your

01:23:56.040 primary goal

01:23:57.140 as a child

01:23:58.140 from the age

01:23:59.000 of 2

01:23:59.760 to 18

01:24:01.280 is

01:24:02.480 fitting in

01:24:03.900 that's what

01:24:05.640 your goal

01:24:06.240 is

01:24:06.620 right

01:24:07.000 because

01:24:07.300 that's what

01:24:08.480 it means

01:24:09.080 to be socialized

01:24:10.160 now you can

01:24:11.360 understand why

01:24:12.000 that would

01:24:12.380 grate against

01:24:13.360 the conscience

01:24:14.000 of someone

01:24:14.640 whose fundamental

01:24:15.640 orientation

01:24:16.120 was

01:24:16.780 creative

01:24:18.540 because

01:24:19.220 they're going

01:24:20.620 to be the ones

01:24:21.200 that pay

01:24:21.860 the biggest

01:24:22.300 psychological price

01:24:23.420 for that

01:24:23.840 in a sense

01:24:24.660 but at least

01:24:25.720 they'll be able

01:24:26.100 to play games

01:24:26.640 with others

01:24:27.080 to cooperate

01:24:27.720 to compete

01:24:28.320 to take aim

01:24:29.740 with other people

01:24:30.400 and to have

01:24:30.840 friends

01:24:31.300 like that's

01:24:32.020 not nothing

01:24:32.840 plus it's also

01:24:33.860 what social

01:24:34.460 stability itself

01:24:35.480 depends on

01:24:36.280 right

01:24:37.180 so we have

01:24:37.680 to be very

01:24:38.300 clear about

01:24:38.920 what it is

01:24:39.520 that's being

01:24:39.960 critiqued here

01:24:40.600 they're actually

01:24:41.920 critiquing

01:24:43.060 socialized

01:24:44.660 maturity

01:24:45.320 itself

01:24:46.060 right

01:24:47.020 right

01:24:47.400 okay now

01:24:48.100 the curious

01:24:50.320 thing would

01:24:50.900 be though

01:24:51.340 okay so now

01:24:52.300 you put the

01:24:52.780 child in

01:24:53.240 crisis

01:24:53.640 now you

01:24:54.300 can justify

01:24:55.040 that by

01:24:55.540 saying well

01:24:56.060 there's no

01:24:56.440 learning without

01:24:57.060 pain

01:24:57.480 the question

01:24:58.880 is what's

01:24:59.580 being offered

01:25:00.100 as a resolution

01:25:01.060 because if

01:25:02.180 the stance

01:25:02.760 is only

01:25:04.880 the identity

01:25:05.680 that opposes

01:25:06.540 so that's

01:25:07.200 that's like

01:25:07.740 right out of

01:25:08.400 Milton's

01:25:09.220 paradise lost

01:25:10.840 right

01:25:11.140 because Satan

01:25:12.080 himself is

01:25:12.940 the spirit

01:25:13.640 that opposes

01:25:14.460 that's his

01:25:15.300 definition

01:25:16.160 he's nothing

01:25:17.800 but the spirit

01:25:18.480 that opposes

01:25:19.160 so it's a very

01:25:20.300 good way of

01:25:20.940 understanding that

01:25:21.920 at a theological

01:25:22.560 level

01:25:22.960 there's no unity

01:25:24.440 in the spirit

01:25:25.420 that opposes

01:25:26.000 you can't

01:25:26.880 rectify an

01:25:27.900 existential crisis

01:25:28.900 by identifying

01:25:29.980 with the spirit

01:25:30.740 that opposes

01:25:31.560 if you identify

01:25:33.140 with the spirit

01:25:33.840 that opposes

01:25:34.760 you end up

01:25:36.560 in hell

01:25:37.160 metaphysically

01:25:38.520 speaking

01:25:39.060 well practically

01:25:40.000 speaking for that

01:25:40.860 matter

01:25:41.140 and perhaps

01:25:41.960 even theologically

01:25:42.880 speaking

01:25:43.360 so what the hell

01:25:44.420 is the resolution

01:25:45.120 supposed to be

01:25:46.000 there is none

01:25:48.140 from the outside

01:25:48.840 there is none

01:25:49.300 but the way

01:25:50.340 it is sold

01:25:50.840 is the resolution

01:25:51.580 is you find

01:25:52.280 your true self

01:25:53.020 you find

01:25:54.060 your gender identity

01:25:55.300 what is that

01:25:55.620 it's whatever

01:25:56.860 you feel it is

01:25:57.740 because again

01:25:58.760 it's

01:25:59.640 the way

01:26:00.720 so that

01:26:01.460 that basically

01:26:02.060 puts you

01:26:02.560 at the whim

01:26:03.060 of your emotions

01:26:03.980 your moment

01:26:04.540 to moment

01:26:04.860 emotions

01:26:05.400 correct

01:26:06.080 right

01:26:08.060 I mean

01:26:08.420 like if it's

01:26:09.620 if it's what

01:26:10.400 you feel

01:26:11.300 because I don't

01:26:11.940 know what

01:26:12.220 the hell

01:26:12.480 that means

01:26:13.000 but let's

01:26:13.460 say

01:26:13.640 it means

01:26:14.440 whatever

01:26:15.160 motivates you

01:26:15.900 at the moment

01:26:16.320 or whatever

01:26:16.800 emotion grips

01:26:17.960 you

01:26:18.220 what that

01:26:19.040 essentially

01:26:19.500 means

01:26:19.840 is that

01:26:20.180 you occupy

01:26:20.840 precisely

01:26:21.780 the same

01:26:22.380 existential

01:26:22.940 space

01:26:23.480 as a very

01:26:24.700 badly behaved

01:26:25.780 and wayward

01:26:26.500 two-year-old

01:26:27.080 because that's

01:26:29.540 the world

01:26:30.000 of a two-year-old

01:26:30.580 it's one

01:26:31.460 emotion

01:26:31.920 after another

01:26:32.640 one motivational

01:26:33.660 state after another

01:26:34.500 with no

01:26:35.320 overarching

01:26:36.060 psychological

01:26:38.580 or social

01:26:39.340 unity

01:26:39.780 right

01:26:40.460 that's all

01:26:40.940 inculcated

01:26:41.640 you'd think

01:26:42.600 you'd think

01:26:42.620 the constructionists

01:26:43.620 would know

01:26:44.080 that

01:26:44.280 that's all

01:26:44.740 inculcated

01:26:45.320 as a consequence

01:26:46.040 of cortical

01:26:47.560 maturation

01:26:48.160 and socialization

01:26:49.180 so I see

01:26:51.180 so the solution

01:26:51.880 to the existential

01:26:52.740 crisis is what

01:26:53.880 the clamoring

01:26:55.020 plethora

01:26:55.880 of possession

01:26:57.400 by primordial

01:26:58.960 emotional states

01:26:59.860 well there

01:27:00.420 now you see

01:27:01.120 what the unholy

01:27:02.000 alliance is

01:27:02.620 between the

01:27:03.460 bloody hedonists

01:27:04.400 and the power

01:27:04.920 worshipers

01:27:05.540 the free

01:27:07.100 child is one

01:27:08.360 who's the

01:27:09.400 slave of their

01:27:10.200 emotions

01:27:10.700 brilliant

01:27:11.720 what a pathway

01:27:12.920 to misery

01:27:13.360 that is

01:27:13.980 right

01:27:14.660 yeah

01:27:15.260 precisely

01:27:16.000 and it's

01:27:16.580 it's

01:27:17.000 it's

01:27:20.120 it becomes

01:27:21.060 really dark

01:27:21.880 when you

01:27:22.580 when you

01:27:23.320 understand

01:27:23.820 precisely

01:27:24.400 what they

01:27:24.980 what that

01:27:25.940 process is

01:27:26.600 meant to do

01:27:27.240 for the

01:27:28.160 child

01:27:28.500 and

01:27:29.420 you know

01:27:30.520 Foucault

01:27:31.100 said this

01:27:32.080 and Butler

01:27:32.480 echoed it

01:27:33.120 in gender

01:27:33.640 trouble

01:27:34.060 and this is

01:27:35.160 a big

01:27:35.440 misconception

01:27:35.980 with people

01:27:36.980 who've read

01:27:37.340 queer theory

01:27:37.860 and I've

01:27:38.180 seen their

01:27:38.480 critiques on

01:27:39.040 it

01:27:39.200 is that

01:27:40.380 Foucault

01:27:41.760 said the

01:27:42.320 soul is

01:27:43.100 the prison

01:27:43.700 of the

01:27:44.320 body

01:27:44.660 the body

01:27:45.680 is not

01:27:46.080 the prison

01:27:46.500 of the

01:27:46.820 soul

01:27:47.040 and Butler

01:27:47.800 again echoes

01:27:48.440 this

01:27:48.720 oh my god

01:27:49.600 she says

01:27:50.040 unbelievable

01:27:50.560 she says

01:27:51.180 she says

01:27:51.940 unlike what

01:27:52.680 christian imagery

01:27:53.640 would suggest

01:27:54.760 the soul

01:27:55.280 is the prison

01:27:55.860 of the body

01:27:56.340 and what

01:27:56.660 they mean

01:27:57.080 by this

01:27:57.580 is that

01:27:58.540 we are

01:27:59.420 born into

01:28:00.240 we are

01:28:01.200 born into

01:28:01.780 a society

01:28:02.740 that has

01:28:04.700 a social

01:28:05.400 cultural

01:28:06.180 and political

01:28:07.000 soul to it

01:28:08.040 a zeitgeist

01:28:08.780 and what

01:28:09.140 that thing

01:28:09.580 does

01:28:09.880 is it

01:28:10.260 it possesses

01:28:11.320 us

01:28:11.680 and under

01:28:12.940 this possession

01:28:13.680 we are

01:28:14.400 convinced

01:28:14.980 to materialize

01:28:16.780 our bodies

01:28:17.420 actions

01:28:18.040 behaviors

01:28:18.680 love interests

01:28:19.660 as that

01:28:21.440 society

01:28:22.020 wants us

01:28:22.900 to

01:28:23.040 so it's

01:28:23.340 not

01:28:23.520 it's not

01:28:23.900 forcing us

01:28:24.680 it's not

01:28:25.240 it's

01:28:26.300 obviously

01:28:27.600 right

01:28:28.180 obviously

01:28:28.760 that's the

01:28:29.380 definition

01:28:30.000 of social

01:28:30.840 right

01:28:31.420 animals who

01:28:32.240 aren't social

01:28:32.800 do exactly

01:28:33.740 what they

01:28:34.600 want to do

01:28:35.560 and in

01:28:36.540 the moment

01:28:37.020 all the

01:28:37.740 time

01:28:38.080 so

01:28:38.980 so

01:28:39.760 so

01:28:40.080 so

01:28:40.400 there's a

01:28:42.560 reason that

01:28:43.340 the Christian

01:28:44.940 West put

01:28:45.680 the crucifix

01:28:46.420 at the

01:28:46.840 center of

01:28:47.560 its cities

01:28:49.060 the reason

01:28:51.020 is that

01:28:51.660 the community

01:28:52.760 is founded

01:28:54.680 on sacrifice

01:28:56.360 which is

01:28:58.080 exactly the

01:28:58.780 observation that

01:28:59.680 Butler and

01:29:00.200 Foucault are

01:29:00.660 making except

01:29:01.420 in reverse

01:29:02.080 their point

01:29:03.660 is well

01:29:04.500 we're

01:29:05.360 sacrificing

01:29:06.240 what

01:29:06.640 our bodies

01:29:07.480 okay what

01:29:07.960 does that

01:29:08.220 mean

01:29:08.380 we're

01:29:08.880 sacrificing

01:29:09.700 our

01:29:10.080 instinctive

01:29:11.040 whims

01:29:11.640 well yeah

01:29:12.580 that is

01:29:13.480 what you're

01:29:13.880 doing

01:29:14.200 if you're

01:29:14.760 going to

01:29:15.080 be social

01:29:15.600 because if

01:29:16.180 it's all

01:29:16.580 about you

01:29:17.380 you are

01:29:18.160 the sort

01:29:18.620 of

01:29:18.960 absolutely

01:29:20.780 present

01:29:21.760 focused

01:29:22.440 conscienceless

01:29:23.760 psychopath

01:29:24.640 that everybody

01:29:25.740 should run

01:29:26.400 away from

01:29:26.960 as rapidly

01:29:27.880 as possible

01:29:28.580 and it's

01:29:29.240 certainly the

01:29:29.620 case that

01:29:30.140 Saint

01:29:31.120 Michelle

01:29:31.620 and likely

01:29:32.980 Madame

01:29:33.960 Butler herself

01:29:35.000 fit very

01:29:35.840 nicely into

01:29:36.380 that category

01:29:36.960 so they're

01:29:37.700 right you

01:29:38.280 know they're

01:29:38.600 right the

01:29:39.280 soul is

01:29:39.780 the prison

01:29:41.920 of the

01:29:42.280 body if

01:29:43.600 you presume

01:29:44.180 that the

01:29:44.740 whims of

01:29:45.240 the body

01:29:45.720 are equivalent

01:29:47.520 to the

01:29:48.380 highest possible

01:29:49.200 value

01:29:51.120 but if you

01:29:53.800 think that

01:29:54.300 a two-year-old

01:29:55.260 who's in

01:29:56.080 the midst

01:29:56.400 of a temper

01:29:56.900 tantrum is

01:29:57.960 not doing

01:29:58.460 any service

01:29:58.980 to himself

01:29:59.560 or the

01:29:59.920 community

01:30:00.320 then you're

01:30:01.940 going to

01:30:02.240 be a little

01:30:02.640 bit more

01:30:03.000 firmly on

01:30:03.560 the side

01:30:03.980 of the

01:30:04.400 of the

01:30:06.720 soul

01:30:07.100 you know

01:30:08.740 the cortex

01:30:09.440 itself

01:30:10.400 the cortex

01:30:12.580 itself which

01:30:13.240 develops under

01:30:14.020 the influence

01:30:15.660 of

01:30:15.980 socialization

01:30:17.460 is the

01:30:18.980 has evolved

01:30:21.300 to integrate

01:30:23.040 the emotions

01:30:23.800 and motivations

01:30:24.540 that the

01:30:25.380 post-modernist

01:30:26.720 nihilistic

01:30:27.360 neo-marxist

01:30:28.100 want to

01:30:28.440 worship

01:30:28.740 you might

01:30:30.720 as well be

01:30:31.100 a decorticate

01:30:31.860 animal like

01:30:33.000 driven by

01:30:33.600 your hypothalamus

01:30:34.540 and all that

01:30:37.660 is is like

01:30:38.280 misery and

01:30:38.920 chaos

01:30:39.380 right well

01:30:40.480 they don't

01:30:41.040 think

01:30:41.220 stunning

01:30:41.620 again back

01:30:42.700 to the

01:30:42.960 queer

01:30:43.120 definition

01:30:43.500 they don't

01:30:43.880 think there

01:30:44.180 is any

01:30:44.680 essential

01:30:45.160 quality I

01:30:45.960 mean we're

01:30:46.260 just born

01:30:46.860 in meat

01:30:47.760 sacks some

01:30:48.580 of them

01:30:48.900 happen to

01:30:49.360 have penises

01:30:49.980 some of

01:30:50.480 them happen

01:30:50.860 to have

01:30:51.120 vaginas

01:30:51.580 there is

01:30:52.500 nothing

01:30:53.260 determinate

01:30:54.020 from their

01:30:54.480 position about

01:30:55.460 anything that

01:30:56.580 goes on

01:30:57.500 inside your

01:30:58.860 body it is

01:30:59.460 all possession

01:31:00.360 through society

01:31:01.420 so right

01:31:02.820 right right

01:31:03.340 right the same

01:31:03.960 that there's

01:31:04.440 the post-modernism

01:31:05.400 again right

01:31:05.940 there's no

01:31:06.340 essence right

01:31:07.340 right and the

01:31:08.020 marxists were

01:31:08.640 the same way

01:31:09.280 it's all

01:31:09.660 socially

01:31:10.020 constructed

01:31:10.580 there's no

01:31:11.780 reality at

01:31:12.680 the bottom

01:31:13.040 of things

01:31:13.600 right there's

01:31:14.160 no essential

01:31:15.080 human nature

01:31:15.820 there's certainly

01:31:16.340 no noble

01:31:17.000 human nature

01:31:17.780 but that but

01:31:19.000 the thing is

01:31:19.600 they still

01:31:20.060 worship whim

01:31:20.940 and and

01:31:22.840 immediacy

01:31:23.380 that that's

01:31:24.040 the thing

01:31:24.360 that's so

01:31:24.720 perverse

01:31:25.120 because the

01:31:25.880 logical

01:31:26.380 conclusion of

01:31:27.320 that kind

01:31:27.760 of reasoning

01:31:28.200 is a

01:31:28.920 dead

01:31:30.200 nihilism

01:31:31.700 right there's

01:31:33.180 there's no

01:31:33.920 rationale for

01:31:35.220 any forward

01:31:35.820 impetus

01:31:36.240 whatsoever

01:31:36.820 by definition

01:31:37.940 so there's a

01:31:40.060 there's a

01:31:40.440 hidden god

01:31:41.100 underneath all

01:31:41.820 of that

01:31:42.280 ideological

01:31:43.520 justification

01:31:44.320 while there's

01:31:44.820 two it's

01:31:45.340 hidden

01:31:45.640 you know

01:31:46.680 in the book

01:31:47.120 of revelation

01:31:47.780 which is a

01:31:48.500 vision of

01:31:48.860 the end

01:31:49.220 times

01:31:49.700 the destructive

01:31:52.040 ethos is

01:31:54.540 the unholy

01:31:55.380 alliance

01:31:55.840 between the

01:31:56.960 degenerate

01:31:57.660 patriarchal

01:31:58.400 state

01:31:58.860 that's the

01:31:59.820 scarlet

01:32:00.360 beast

01:32:00.740 the multi-headed

01:32:01.420 scarlet beast

01:32:02.200 and the

01:32:02.720 whore of

01:32:03.020 babylon

01:32:03.480 right it's

01:32:04.900 the death

01:32:05.820 dance of

01:32:06.520 power and

01:32:06.940 hedonism

01:32:07.400 and those

01:32:08.880 are the gods

01:32:09.380 that arise

01:32:09.920 when

01:32:10.300 the transcendent

01:32:12.860 the proper

01:32:13.380 sacrificial

01:32:14.140 transcendental

01:32:14.920 unity is

01:32:15.680 forgone

01:32:16.220 right and

01:32:17.500 so Butler

01:32:18.080 and Foucault

01:32:18.660 can talk all

01:32:19.240 they want

01:32:19.600 about no

01:32:21.140 uniting

01:32:21.560 ethos but

01:32:22.300 they just

01:32:22.920 default to

01:32:23.680 power and

01:32:24.400 hedonism

01:32:24.860 and you know

01:32:25.860 in the book

01:32:26.280 of revelation

01:32:26.800 it's so

01:32:27.160 interesting

01:32:27.600 because the

01:32:28.260 the scarlet

01:32:29.060 beast which

01:32:29.680 is the

01:32:30.160 degenerate

01:32:30.880 patriarchal

01:32:31.440 state

01:32:31.740 kills the

01:32:33.140 whore

01:32:33.860 so the

01:32:35.100 offering is

01:32:35.880 you can do

01:32:36.960 whatever you

01:32:37.520 want with

01:32:38.220 whoever you

01:32:38.860 want at

01:32:39.480 any time

01:32:40.160 you choose

01:32:40.900 but the

01:32:41.580 reality is

01:32:42.260 you'll end

01:32:43.020 up with

01:32:43.360 nothing

01:32:44.000 and certainly

01:32:45.200 not the

01:32:45.700 gratification of

01:32:46.700 your infantile

01:32:47.400 whims

01:32:47.840 certainly not

01:32:49.160 that so

01:32:50.840 dark man

01:32:52.360 well that's

01:32:53.120 the problem

01:32:53.520 with looking

01:32:54.060 at things

01:32:54.540 theologically

01:32:55.240 yeah yeah

01:32:57.120 it's um

01:32:58.640 you can go

01:33:00.120 to a dark

01:33:00.600 place being

01:33:02.180 stuck especially

01:33:03.420 in you know

01:33:04.400 the theology

01:33:05.960 of marxism in

01:33:06.740 general but

01:33:07.160 queer theory

01:33:07.660 specifically we

01:33:09.180 we didn't

01:33:09.840 include a lot

01:33:10.940 of stuff in

01:33:12.180 the book that

01:33:12.740 we could have

01:33:13.380 to really make

01:33:14.340 other points

01:33:15.200 um simply

01:33:17.300 because they're

01:33:17.880 not readable

01:33:18.460 i mean you

01:33:19.580 there's some

01:33:20.900 key terms i

01:33:21.620 could give

01:33:21.940 you that you

01:33:22.320 could search

01:33:22.760 in some

01:33:23.160 books to

01:33:24.100 find it for

01:33:24.540 yourself but

01:33:25.080 it's just

01:33:25.500 it's um it's

01:33:26.780 dark stuff

01:33:27.320 well okay

01:33:28.120 look we've

01:33:29.100 got we've

01:33:29.500 done an hour

01:33:30.020 and a half

01:33:30.580 here why

01:33:31.820 don't we

01:33:32.220 talk exactly

01:33:33.220 about those

01:33:33.880 terms

01:33:34.340 on the daily

01:33:37.600 wire side of

01:33:38.300 this

01:33:38.640 okay yeah

01:33:41.060 sure so

01:33:41.880 and and

01:33:42.600 before we do

01:33:43.500 that so for

01:33:44.120 everyone and

01:33:44.600 watching and

01:33:45.080 listening most of

01:33:45.740 you know this

01:33:46.200 but i do an

01:33:46.780 extra half an

01:33:47.400 hour with my

01:33:47.940 guests um on

01:33:49.720 the daily wire

01:33:50.220 platform behind a

01:33:51.180 paywall and that

01:33:51.860 gives me a chance

01:33:52.640 to well return to

01:33:56.620 the daily wire the

01:33:58.040 favor that they do

01:33:59.280 to me and to

01:34:00.380 everyone by making

01:34:01.440 this by producing

01:34:02.360 this podcast and

01:34:03.320 making it freely

01:34:04.060 available to

01:34:04.720 everyone but it

01:34:05.960 also gives me a

01:34:06.680 chance to do a

01:34:07.380 deeper dive on some

01:34:08.760 specific issues so i

01:34:09.940 think we found the

01:34:11.040 issue that we should

01:34:11.780 do a deeper dive into

01:34:12.800 the forbidden elements

01:34:14.640 of the postmodern

01:34:16.160 neo-marxist unholy

01:34:18.160 alliance let's say

01:34:19.520 so you could join us

01:34:21.100 everyone who's

01:34:21.760 watching and

01:34:22.240 listening you could

01:34:22.820 join us on the

01:34:23.480 daily wire side for

01:34:25.000 that that's what we'll

01:34:25.980 do um before we do

01:34:27.640 that we've

01:34:29.420 essentially we've

01:34:31.520 focused our

01:34:32.060 discussion on

01:34:33.220 and in some ways on

01:34:35.740 the definition of

01:34:36.640 queerness but also on

01:34:37.760 elucidating the nature

01:34:39.680 of marxism and the

01:34:40.600 nature of postmodernism

01:34:41.700 and the manner in

01:34:42.440 which they've come

01:34:43.080 together i think

01:34:44.040 that's a good summary

01:34:45.140 of what we've managed

01:34:46.220 to accomplish is

01:34:47.340 there anything that

01:34:48.120 you'd like to bring

01:34:49.400 to the attention of

01:34:51.200 those who are

01:34:52.300 watching and listening

01:34:53.140 in relationship to

01:34:54.140 your work and to

01:34:55.260 the broader culture

01:34:56.460 at the moment that

01:34:58.260 that you want to

01:35:00.740 cover before we turn

01:35:02.640 our attention to these

01:35:03.560 more specific issues

01:35:04.600 yeah i'll just say

01:35:06.360 uh curiosity can go a

01:35:09.460 long way i recently

01:35:10.680 wrote a piece that

01:35:11.760 was published on

01:35:12.420 new discourses which

01:35:13.780 is associated with

01:35:15.880 dr james lindsey who's

01:35:17.120 the co-author on the

01:35:17.960 queering of the

01:35:18.500 american child and it

01:35:20.200 was titled curiosity

01:35:21.140 is a cult killer

01:35:21.960 my advice would to be

01:35:23.560 be curious and one

01:35:25.060 thing i say to many

01:35:26.960 of the parents that i

01:35:27.780 talk to around the

01:35:29.580 country is that you

01:35:31.460 need to have there's

01:35:32.860 not an easy way out of

01:35:33.800 this but you can be in

01:35:35.880 control of your own

01:35:37.000 family and it's really

01:35:38.280 important to have an

01:35:39.180 ironclad relationship

01:35:41.100 with your child and to

01:35:42.540 really listen to them

01:35:44.060 and to cultivate them

01:35:46.140 and to talk to them

01:35:47.960 about what's happening

01:35:48.940 because as we just saw

01:35:50.840 in california i mean the

01:35:51.940 number of parents now in

01:35:52.960 the country prior to the

01:35:54.580 law in california the

01:35:55.980 number of parents in the

01:35:56.780 country who by district

01:35:58.820 policy and definition

01:35:59.920 would not be notified if

01:36:01.340 their child decided to

01:36:02.540 adopt a new gender

01:36:03.480 identity in school was

01:36:05.120 over 10 million already

01:36:06.280 and that's prior to what

01:36:07.980 just happened with the

01:36:09.040 california loss you need

01:36:09.980 to be talking to your

01:36:10.760 kids there you have to

01:36:13.540 have an ironclad

01:36:14.100 relationship with them

01:36:15.380 because as we mentioned

01:36:16.560 earlier the educational

01:36:18.600 apparatus has been

01:36:19.640 entirely hijacked read

01:36:21.780 the book to learn more

01:36:22.600 about that and there's no

01:36:24.180 one coming in my

01:36:25.760 estimation to save us in

01:36:27.480 the short term so it's

01:36:29.020 up to you and talk to

01:36:29.700 your kids so i just

01:36:31.880 interviewed elon musk

01:36:33.280 you know and he resolved

01:36:35.020 his existential crisis of

01:36:37.280 meaninglessness when he

01:36:38.360 was a adolescent by

01:36:40.740 putting the pursuit of

01:36:44.160 curiosity let's say in the

01:36:46.360 highest place and you know

01:36:47.860 that's a very ancient

01:36:49.340 medication for delusional

01:36:53.940 nihilism because the god

01:36:56.060 of the old testament for

01:36:57.080 example is frequently

01:36:58.180 characterized as the spirit

01:37:00.440 of what calls to you

01:37:01.960 calling and conscience

01:37:04.120 you know and in your case

01:37:05.660 you can see both of those

01:37:06.620 at work it was curiosity

01:37:07.760 that drove you into this

01:37:08.820 but it was also the prick

01:37:09.860 of conscience in

01:37:11.020 relationship to the

01:37:11.960 responsibility that you

01:37:13.080 have for your children

01:37:14.500 right so what's the

01:37:17.200 proper spirit that's

01:37:19.620 placed in the heavenly

01:37:20.860 hierarchy above power

01:37:23.060 hedonism resentment and

01:37:24.640 arrogance let's say

01:37:25.740 that's the divinity of

01:37:28.320 calling and conscience

01:37:29.300 right right that's the

01:37:32.760 north star that guides you

01:37:34.020 forward the north stars

01:37:35.760 that guide you forward

01:37:36.860 right one specifies the

01:37:39.220 aim another the other

01:37:40.200 keeps you on the straight

01:37:41.420 and narrow right and

01:37:43.520 that's a sacrificial

01:37:44.440 journey so and that's

01:37:46.820 definitely what these

01:37:48.900 queer theorists the

01:37:50.980 unholy post-modern

01:37:53.820 neo-marxists that's

01:37:55.460 definitely what they're

01:37:56.440 opposed to and make no

01:37:58.040 mistake about it right

01:37:59.900 okay well for everybody

01:38:01.440 watching and listening

01:38:02.340 we're going to continue

01:38:03.320 this oh so optimistic

01:38:04.960 discussion diagnostic

01:38:06.720 discussion on the daily

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01:38:10.320 that and thank you very

01:38:12.680 much for sharing your

01:38:13.980 process of discovery and

01:38:17.260 the consequences of that

01:38:18.480 with everybody who's

01:38:19.680 watching and listening

01:38:20.560 absolutely thanks for

01:38:22.100 having me

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473. The War on Children & the Language of Deception ｜ Logan Lancing

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