The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast - 484. The Great Partisan Shift ｜ Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

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00:00:57.420 Hello, everybody.

00:01:09.860 So today I had the privilege of round two with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

00:01:15.260 The first time we had a discussion, which I enjoyed a lot and thought was very worthwhile,

00:01:19.540 the powers that be at YouTube decided that it was okay for them to eradicate it,

00:01:24.880 which was not something that I was happy with and still remain unhappy about.

00:01:29.040 We'll see if the same thing happens this time.

00:01:31.960 So we covered, a lot has changed since that first interview,

00:01:36.520 most markedly that RFK is now allied with Donald Trump,

00:01:41.320 and that's quite a strange turn of affairs.

00:01:44.180 We have a coterie of disaffected Democrats running on the Republican side against Kamala Harris. 0.98

00:01:50.580 And what did we talk about?

00:01:52.500 Well, we talked a lot about why RFK has become disenchanted with the Democrats.

00:01:56.940 And I had pushed him on that issue in our first discussion,

00:02:02.000 asking him, for example, when the left goes too far,

00:02:04.820 we finally have the answer to that question.

00:02:07.200 That's in this podcast, because RFK outlined five different ways the left has gone too far.

00:02:14.180 So highlighting, highlighting what?

00:02:17.680 Highlighting their lack of care for free speech,

00:02:21.020 highlighting the fact that they're now the party of war,

00:02:23.860 highlighting the fact that they're no longer the party of the working class.

00:02:27.100 Well, there's three ways that the left has gone too far.

00:02:29.640 And that just, what is that?

00:02:31.000 That's the tip of the iceberg.

00:02:32.420 We talked a fair bit about, well,

00:02:34.780 the policy issues that Kennedy has been discussing with Trump,

00:02:38.440 concentrating particularly on the health crisis,

00:02:42.620 on free speech, and on international peace.

00:02:45.940 And those do strike me as three major issues that we need to contend with.

00:02:51.540 We talked about the development of Trump's new team,

00:02:54.560 which is a remarkable occurrence.

00:02:56.000 The fact that he has Musk, the fact that he has Ramaswamy,

00:02:59.260 Tulsi Gabbard, and of course, Gabbard, and of course, Kennedy himself.

00:03:02.580 That changes the political landscape dramatically,

00:03:05.600 something the Trump team hasn't yet capitalized on.

00:03:08.040 We talked a little bit about what the union might look like

00:03:13.040 under a Trump administration with all these remarkable people in it.

00:03:16.220 So join us for all of that.

00:03:18.820 YouTube censors allowing.

00:03:23.420 So I'm very curious about the alliance that you formed with Trump.

00:03:28.460 I'm curious about whether you ever imagined that such a thing was a likelihood.

00:03:32.880 And then I'm curious about why you decided it was a good idea.

00:03:38.480 Yeah, I never imagined such a thing was a likelihood.

00:03:41.980 In fact, I was reading a statement that I had forgotten I made,

00:03:46.460 but I made it repeatedly during the 18 months

00:03:52.900 when I was running after declaring that I was going to run,

00:03:58.520 when people oftentimes would ask me,

00:04:00.780 why don't you run with Trump?

00:04:01.940 And I would say, and then on several occasions,

00:04:05.760 I was approached by the Trump campaign

00:04:07.940 about running as his VP.

00:04:13.100 And my answer to that was always that

00:04:16.040 that would result in a divorce with my wife, 1.00

00:04:19.760 even if I had the inclination to do that.

00:04:22.900 Because it's something that just constitutionally,

00:04:25.500 she at that point could not have handled

00:04:29.180 and would have, I think, impacted her job

00:04:33.740 and would have, and her friendships,

00:04:38.560 her relationships, her family, et cetera.

00:04:41.160 But a lot, you know, we both learned a lot during the election.

00:04:45.040 We saw, I saw this metamorphosis of the Democratic Party,

00:04:50.280 the party that I was born in, raised in.

00:04:53.940 My family has been involved in the Democratic Party

00:04:57.520 since all of my great-grandparents came over

00:05:01.260 in 1848 during the potato famine

00:05:06.720 and landed in Boston.

00:05:09.060 And it was the Democratic Party that they came in,

00:05:13.340 came over penniless and friendless.

00:05:17.020 And it was the Democratic Party that provided for them,

00:05:19.860 that made sure that they got food,

00:05:21.620 that they got jobs,

00:05:22.520 that protected them against the reigning hierarchy of power

00:05:29.360 in Boston at that time,

00:05:30.880 which was, you know, run by what they call the Brahmin class,

00:05:37.500 which was very hostile to Irish Catholics in particular.

00:05:42.260 And my great-grandfather was the first Irish Catholic mayor of Boston,

00:05:49.540 the first, let me put it this way, Irish Catholic ghetto mayor.

00:05:52.520 There was one mayor before him that was Irish Catholic,

00:05:55.260 but he was chosen by the Brahmins.

00:05:57.520 And he was the first one who was, you know,

00:06:00.440 part of the rebellion of the Irish

00:06:02.520 and the ultimate takeover of Boston

00:06:06.340 and many of our other urban areas

00:06:08.200 by Irish Catholic politicians.

00:06:09.760 My grandfather, John Fitzgerald,

00:06:13.000 was called Honey Fitz

00:06:14.040 because he had a beautiful singing voice

00:06:15.900 that sounded like honey.

00:06:18.280 And his contemporary, Patrick Joseph Kennedy,

00:06:23.200 was a state legislature and a political boss in Boston.

00:06:27.400 Their children married my,

00:06:29.100 Rose Fitzgerald married my grandfather.

00:06:33.060 Joseph Kennedy,

00:06:33.880 he was the treasurer for Franklin Roosevelt's campaign.

00:06:37.480 He was the only Wall Street figure who supported Roosevelt.

00:06:41.720 And then he became the first commissioner of the SEC.

00:06:45.900 He had political ambitions of his own,

00:06:47.880 but he ruined those ambitions by his anti-war position,

00:06:54.760 both in World War I and then World War II.

00:06:56.820 He served as the U.S. ambassador to the Court of St. James

00:07:03.360 under Roosevelt to Great Britain.

00:07:06.980 And then his children, his son Joe,

00:07:11.200 who was killed during the war,

00:07:13.740 gave a speech, you know,

00:07:14.980 would have run for her,

00:07:16.580 would have run.

00:07:17.320 And my grandfather had ambitions for him

00:07:19.820 to be the first Irish Catholic president.

00:07:21.660 He spoke, he gave a keynote address

00:07:24.260 at the Democratic Convention in 1940.

00:07:27.920 My uncle, John Kennedy,

00:07:29.780 became the first Irish Catholic president

00:07:32.860 of the United States.

00:07:34.480 My father served as attorney general

00:07:37.040 in the United States Senate

00:07:38.520 and then died.

00:07:41.360 I was assassinated in his own run for president.

00:07:44.600 My uncle, Ted Kennedy,

00:07:45.940 was the second longest serving member

00:07:47.800 of the United States Senate.

00:07:48.940 And so, you know, my family,

00:07:51.600 the DNA of the Democratic Party

00:07:54.080 was baked into my own character,

00:07:58.200 my identity.

00:07:59.360 I grew up in the party.

00:08:00.940 I began campaigning when I was six years old

00:08:05.020 on my uncle's campaign.

00:08:07.220 I attended the convention in Los Angeles that year.

00:08:10.700 And I've attended almost every Democratic convention

00:08:13.300 since then.

00:08:15.140 Worked in probably 100 campaigns.

00:08:17.480 And I was a stalwart in the Democratic Party.

00:08:21.760 But the Democratic Party

00:08:22.620 that I grew up with changed dramatically.

00:08:25.620 Has changed the last year.

00:08:27.900 The Democratic Party I grew up in

00:08:29.620 was the party of peace.

00:08:31.860 My uncle, John Kennedy,

00:08:35.400 he was asked by his best friend,

00:08:38.580 one of his two best friends,

00:08:39.920 Ben Bradley,

00:08:40.540 who was then the editor of Washington Post,

00:08:42.620 what do you want in your gravestone?

00:08:45.260 And without skipping a beat,

00:08:46.940 my uncle said he kept the peace.

00:08:49.340 He said the primary job of a president

00:08:51.160 of the United States

00:08:51.900 was to keep the country out of war.

00:08:54.320 He said he didn't want

00:08:55.580 children in Africa and Latin America

00:08:59.060 when they heard about the United States

00:09:02.140 to think about a man in a military uniform

00:09:04.100 with a gun.

00:09:05.260 He wanted them to think of a Peace Corps volunteer.

00:09:07.580 He wanted them

00:09:08.180 to think of the Kennedy Milk Program,

00:09:10.740 which provided nutrition

00:09:12.020 to millions of malnourished kids

00:09:14.320 around the world.

00:09:15.180 He wanted them to think of USAID,

00:09:17.240 of Alliance for Progress,

00:09:18.400 and these other programs

00:09:19.640 that my uncle created

00:09:20.820 to project economic power

00:09:22.460 rather than military power abroad.

00:09:25.120 My uncle was under tremendous pressure

00:09:27.600 to go to war in Laos,

00:09:29.980 which he resisted in 1961,

00:09:31.960 to go to war in Germany

00:09:35.540 during the Checkpoint Charlie crisis in 1962,

00:09:38.780 to go to war against Cuba in 1961

00:09:41.120 during the Bay of Pigs,

00:09:43.140 and then again in 1963

00:09:44.760 during the Cuban Missile Crisis,

00:09:46.860 and then to go to Vietnam.

00:09:50.300 Virtually all of his advisors

00:09:51.760 were telling him

00:09:52.560 he had to send 250,000 troops to Vietnam

00:09:56.480 or the government was collapsed,

00:09:58.200 and he said it's their government.

00:09:59.600 We cannot fight their war for them.

00:10:01.560 He ultimately, under great pressure,

00:10:04.280 sent 16,000 military advisors

00:10:06.480 and then who were not

00:10:09.460 under his rules of engagement

00:10:10.840 allowed to participate in combat.

00:10:12.640 Some of them did.

00:10:14.320 In October of 1963,

00:10:19.360 he learned that Green Beret 1.00

00:10:21.060 had been killed in Vietnam,

00:10:23.320 and he turned to his aide,

00:10:25.120 Walt Rostow,

00:10:26.200 and he said,

00:10:26.880 I want the casualties,

00:10:28.440 a complete list of casualties,

00:10:30.340 of U.S. casualties.

00:10:32.380 Rostow came back to him an hour later,

00:10:35.280 and there were 76 Americans

00:10:37.600 that died at that point.

00:10:38.860 My uncle said it's too many.

00:10:41.180 And that afternoon,

00:10:42.540 this October 22nd, 1963,

00:10:46.100 he signed National Security Order 263,

00:10:49.080 ordering all military personnel,

00:10:50.880 U.S. military personnel,

00:10:51.940 out of Vietnam by 1965,

00:10:54.900 with the first 1,000 coming home

00:10:58.420 in by December.

00:11:01.360 So that would have been six weeks later.

00:11:04.240 And then he was killed 30 days to the date

00:11:07.920 after he signed that order.

00:11:10.160 And a week after that,

00:11:11.580 President Johnson,

00:11:12.540 his successor,

00:11:13.960 remanded National Security Order 263.

00:11:17.480 Johnson then sent 265,000 Americans

00:11:22.140 to Vietnam.

00:11:23.000 It became our war. 0.89

00:11:25.060 My father ran against that war in 1968,

00:11:27.680 and he also was killed in that process.

00:11:31.260 And then Nixon took over

00:11:33.280 and sent 560,000 Americans to Vietnam. 0.56

00:11:37.460 And we killed a million of them,

00:11:40.040 maybe 2 million. 0.73

00:11:41.580 They killed 56,000 of our children,

00:11:46.980 including my cousin, George Skagel,

00:11:49.400 who died in the Tet Offensive.

00:11:51.780 And America then went down a different path

00:11:55.140 toward becoming a feature

00:11:59.120 of the military-industrial complex,

00:12:01.240 which Eisenhower had warned against

00:12:04.280 three days before my uncle,

00:12:06.120 on my birthday in 1961,

00:12:09.040 three days before my uncle

00:12:10.380 took the office,

00:12:11.640 Eisenhower made that warning,

00:12:13.040 and my uncle spent three years,

00:12:14.920 1,000 days of his presidency

00:12:16.440 keeping us out of war 0.81

00:12:18.400 and keeping the military-industrial complex

00:12:20.500 at Bay.

00:12:22.240 This was one of the defining features

00:12:24.820 of the Democratic Party.

00:12:26.200 We were the party that was against war.

00:12:28.760 The Republicans were the pro-war party. 0.62

00:12:30.640 We were the party that was for civil rights,

00:12:32.840 including constitutional rights,

00:12:34.340 and particularly freedom of speech,

00:12:36.280 which is the backstop

00:12:41.000 for all the other rights

00:12:42.220 of the United States Constitution,

00:12:43.880 a country that has the capacity

00:12:45.780 to censor its critics,

00:12:50.520 has the license for every kind of atrocity.

00:12:53.640 My father understood that.

00:12:54.960 My uncle understood that.

00:12:56.320 That was one of the,

00:12:58.140 that was a bedrock assumption

00:12:59.780 of the Democratic Party,

00:13:00.840 that free speech was,

00:13:02.340 if any,

00:13:03.240 any restrictions on free speech

00:13:05.740 was the first step down

00:13:06.900 the slippery slope of totalitarianism.

00:13:11.200 So is it fair to say, then,

00:13:13.420 that you found the Democrats,

00:13:15.340 and at the present time,

00:13:16.820 you've alluded to peace,

00:13:18.400 and under Trump...

00:13:19.220 They're now the party of war. 0.87

00:13:21.280 They're now, you know,

00:13:22.300 they're about to get us

00:13:23.460 into a war with Russia.

00:13:25.500 Putin has said this week

00:13:28.300 that if we send missiles

00:13:30.380 into Russia,

00:13:33.220 that he will consider himself

00:13:35.000 to be a war with NATO

00:13:36.260 and the United States of America.

00:13:38.080 And, you know,

00:13:39.020 and he's got more weapons

00:13:40.220 than we, he's got...

00:13:41.780 This is the biggest nuclear power

00:13:43.180 in the world.

00:13:44.500 He has 1,200 more nuclear warheads

00:13:46.340 than we do,

00:13:46.980 and they're better than ours.

00:13:48.300 And his electronic warfare system

00:13:51.780 is a generation ahead of ours,

00:13:53.360 as they've shown in Ukraine.

00:13:54.940 They can shoot down

00:13:55.920 almost anything

00:13:56.660 that we send against them.

00:13:58.840 And Kamala Harris,

00:14:01.060 during the convention,

00:14:02.180 made this extraordinarily

00:14:03.480 belligerent speech

00:14:04.900 that appears to have been

00:14:05.880 written by the neocons.

00:14:08.680 And then before she went on,

00:14:13.360 a CIA director

00:14:14.760 spoke immediately before.

00:14:17.920 And they had military people

00:14:19.200 speaking in that convention.

00:14:20.200 This was inconceivable.

00:14:22.020 You know, when I was growing up,

00:14:23.360 and Kamala Harris,

00:14:25.520 in recent days,

00:14:26.460 has touted her endorsement

00:14:27.880 by Dick Cheney.

00:14:29.200 Dick Cheney was like Darth Vader.

00:14:31.460 If you were a Democrat in 2004,

00:14:33.540 practically,

00:14:35.260 the qualification

00:14:39.040 for you being a Democrat

00:14:40.540 is to consider Dick Cheney

00:14:41.960 a war criminal.

00:14:43.720 Dick Cheney and John Bolton,

00:14:45.260 who she also touted

00:14:46.560 her endorsement by,

00:14:47.840 and 225 other neocons

00:14:51.240 who came out

00:14:52.380 and supported her that day.

00:14:54.560 Dick Cheney and John Bolton

00:14:56.840 were the people

00:14:57.420 who gave us the Patriot Act.

00:14:59.140 They're the ones

00:14:59.660 who launched

00:15:00.180 the surveillance state,

00:15:01.440 the censorship state.

00:15:03.860 The legalized spying

00:15:05.440 by the CIA

00:15:06.160 and propaganda

00:15:06.880 by the CIA

00:15:07.820 against the American people 0.91

00:15:09.180 never happened before.

00:15:10.320 It's in their chart

00:15:10.960 if they can't do that.

00:15:11.960 And Dick Cheney,

00:15:16.100 and then they gave us

00:15:17.040 the Iraq War,

00:15:17.900 which was the greatest

00:15:19.080 cataclysm,

00:15:20.540 the foreign policy cataclysm

00:15:21.840 in American history.

00:15:23.140 We destroyed Iraq, 1.00

00:15:24.700 which was our bulwark

00:15:25.700 against Iranian expansion.

00:15:28.560 The October 7th invasion

00:15:30.020 were a direct result

00:15:31.280 of our destruction

00:15:33.120 of Saddam Hussein.

00:15:35.680 Iraq is now 0.98

00:15:36.680 no longer a bulwark

00:15:37.760 against Iran.

00:15:38.520 It is now a proxy of Iran 0.98

00:15:39.980 thanks to our war,

00:15:40.940 which is exactly

00:15:41.960 a foreign policy outcome

00:15:44.360 that we've been struggling

00:15:46.380 to avoid for 30 years. 0.86

00:15:48.940 We killed more Iraqis 1.00

00:15:50.480 than Saddam Hussein by far. 0.95

00:15:52.460 We turned Iraq 0.99

00:15:53.700 into a warring cauldron 0.97

00:15:55.180 of Sunni and Shia death squads. 0.98

00:15:58.000 We created ISIS. 0.99

00:15:59.800 We sent with that,

00:16:01.260 Iraq and the spillover war

00:16:02.840 in Syria,

00:16:04.760 we sent between

00:16:05.440 two and four million immigrants

00:16:07.940 into Europe

00:16:09.940 and destabilized

00:16:10.960 every nation in Europe

00:16:12.040 for a generation.

00:16:13.020 The emergence

00:16:13.560 of totalitarianism

00:16:14.900 in Europe

00:16:15.360 that right now,

00:16:16.660 you know,

00:16:16.900 the abolition of free speech

00:16:18.660 in Europe

00:16:19.040 is a direct result

00:16:21.080 of the Iraq war.

00:16:21.900 Brexit

00:16:22.300 is a direct result

00:16:24.460 of the Iraq war.

00:16:25.340 It was a cataclysm.

00:16:26.240 If you ask Dick Cheney,

00:16:28.880 Dick Cheney,

00:16:29.420 who gave us torture

00:16:30.320 for the first time

00:16:31.220 in American history,

00:16:33.140 we had this tradition

00:16:34.140 in this country

00:16:34.900 against torture.

00:16:36.180 George Washington,

00:16:37.160 even when the British 0.88

00:16:39.260 were torturing Americans 0.99

00:16:41.180 and murdering them 0.95

00:16:42.480 on prison ships 0.99

00:16:43.880 in Manhattan,

00:16:44.920 you know,

00:16:45.200 off Manhattan Island,

00:16:47.800 Washington was asked

00:16:49.280 about torturing

00:16:50.240 a British prisoner

00:16:52.260 who had critical information,

00:16:54.840 military information.

00:16:55.980 He said,

00:16:56.280 I'd rather lose the war 0.85

00:16:57.420 than do that.

00:16:58.240 If we lower ourselves

00:16:59.460 to that level,

00:17:00.860 then what's the point?

00:17:02.440 Abraham Lincoln

00:17:03.360 was presented

00:17:04.000 with the same dilemma

00:17:05.180 during the Civil War

00:17:07.460 and said,

00:17:10.360 no,

00:17:10.680 we're not going to do that.

00:17:11.700 And he wrote

00:17:12.440 guidelines

00:17:13.700 against torture

00:17:14.780 for the U.S. military

00:17:15.840 that later became

00:17:16.820 the basis

00:17:17.280 for the Geneva Convention.

00:17:18.540 That is our legacy

00:17:19.460 to the world,

00:17:20.120 the Geneva Convention.

00:17:21.000 You don't torture people.

00:17:23.220 And Dick Cheney

00:17:24.200 introduced that

00:17:25.120 extraordinary rendition.

00:17:26.560 It's openly torturing people,

00:17:28.160 bragging about it.

00:17:29.880 If you ask Dick Cheney today,

00:17:32.060 do you disavow

00:17:33.700 any of those policies?

00:17:35.040 He would say,

00:17:35.580 no,

00:17:35.860 I embrace them.

00:17:37.080 The war in Iraq

00:17:37.660 was a great thing.

00:17:38.540 We got rid of Saddam Hussein. 0.97

00:17:40.880 It's insanity.

00:17:42.200 And he has not changed.

00:17:45.280 So why is he endorsing

00:17:46.700 Kamala Harris?

00:17:47.380 It's not because

00:17:48.640 the neocons have changed.

00:17:51.540 It's because

00:17:52.080 the Democratic Party

00:17:53.100 is now the party

00:17:54.060 of the neocons.

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00:19:30.660 When I interviewed you last time,

00:19:36.040 I asked you a question

00:19:37.020 that I've asked almost,

00:19:39.000 I think, every Democrat

00:19:40.160 that I've spoken to

00:19:41.240 or former Democrat,

00:19:42.680 which was,

00:19:43.300 when does the left go too far?

00:19:45.440 And you answered that

00:19:46.380 in that question.

00:19:47.180 You said,

00:19:47.840 when they align with Dick Cheney,

00:19:49.700 they've gone too far.

00:19:51.360 That's where they are now.

00:19:52.440 Yeah, well, so this is,

00:19:53.520 so how do you,

00:19:54.280 how do you explain,

00:19:55.140 I'd like to know

00:19:55.980 what happened.

00:19:57.640 By the way,

00:19:58.100 I could go on with that list

00:19:59.600 of departures

00:20:00.960 from the Democrat.

00:20:01.700 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:20:02.940 Well, I'm curious about

00:20:03.980 the inversion.

00:20:06.280 And, you know,

00:20:06.760 I studied American history

00:20:08.020 in college

00:20:10.220 and, you know,

00:20:11.200 one of the ways

00:20:12.480 that we study American history

00:20:13.880 is according to these

00:20:15.340 four big realignments

00:20:16.760 that happen among the parties

00:20:18.140 during different parts

00:20:19.080 of our history.

00:20:19.660 And we're going through

00:20:20.460 one of those realignments today

00:20:22.060 where the Democratic,

00:20:24.460 you know,

00:20:24.960 the Democratic Party

00:20:27.100 was the party

00:20:27.620 of civil rights

00:20:28.280 has now become

00:20:28.860 the party of censorship,

00:20:30.180 the party of surveillance.

00:20:31.400 Yeah.

00:20:31.900 It was the party

00:20:33.380 that was fighting

00:20:35.760 against the subversion

00:20:38.760 of American democracy

00:20:39.840 by big corporations,

00:20:41.240 by Wall Street

00:20:42.040 and, you know,

00:20:44.160 and corporate

00:20:45.200 robber parents

00:20:47.600 and titans.

00:20:48.400 Today,

00:20:49.860 the Democratic Party

00:20:50.960 is the party

00:20:51.720 of Wall Street,

00:20:52.340 is the party

00:20:52.720 of big pharma,

00:20:53.640 big tech,

00:20:54.340 a big ag,

00:20:55.000 a big food

00:20:55.740 of the military

00:20:56.400 and industrial complex.

00:20:58.440 When I was a kid,

00:20:59.540 the Democratic Party

00:21:00.380 was the party

00:21:01.020 of the poor.

00:21:02.640 The Republican Party

00:21:03.780 was the wealthy party.

00:21:04.860 That's where most

00:21:05.580 of the wealth

00:21:06.000 in this country,

00:21:07.000 70 or 80 percent,

00:21:08.340 was in the Republican Party.

00:21:10.160 We were the party

00:21:11.100 of the firefighters,

00:21:12.220 the cops,

00:21:12.960 the union leaders.

00:21:13.800 And it was very interesting

00:21:17.000 at the Republican convention.

00:21:18.320 You had for the first time

00:21:19.560 in history,

00:21:20.900 Sean O'Brien,

00:21:22.340 the president

00:21:22.780 of the Teamsters Union,

00:21:24.700 speaking to great applause.

00:21:27.260 This was unheard of.

00:21:28.780 I was on tour recently

00:21:30.380 with J.D. Vance,

00:21:31.300 and we spoke

00:21:33.380 at the firefighters convention

00:21:35.040 in Boston

00:21:35.740 and he was touting

00:21:38.220 about the importance

00:21:39.160 of today's Republican Party

00:21:40.960 for collective bargaining,

00:21:42.380 which was a criminal act

00:21:44.360 in the past

00:21:45.160 to the Republicans.

00:21:46.940 During the 2020 election,

00:21:48.500 Jordan,

00:21:49.980 roughly 50 percent

00:21:51.160 of the people

00:21:51.600 in this country

00:21:52.240 voted for Trump

00:21:53.780 and roughly 50 percent

00:21:54.900 voted for Biden.

00:21:56.280 The 50 percent 0.99

00:21:57.480 who voted for Trump

00:21:58.540 owned 30 percent

00:22:00.260 of the wealth

00:22:00.740 in this country.

00:22:01.780 The 50 percent 0.99

00:22:02.560 who voted for Biden

00:22:03.500 owned 70 percent.

00:22:05.560 So the Republican Party

00:22:07.720 is now the party

00:22:08.720 of the poor,

00:22:09.760 the party of the working class,

00:22:11.300 the working poor

00:22:12.120 of unions.

00:22:14.080 And the Democratic Party

00:22:17.000 has become

00:22:18.060 the party of billionaires.

00:22:19.160 Donald Trump

00:22:19.860 chased the billionaires

00:22:21.940 out of the Republican Party

00:22:23.300 and they've all gone over

00:22:24.480 to chase the neoconists

00:22:25.580 out of the Republican Party.

00:22:27.440 And I would also argue

00:22:28.860 the Republican Party

00:22:30.740 is now the party

00:22:31.520 of true environmentalists.

00:22:34.600 The fixation that,

00:22:36.380 you know,

00:22:36.560 and this is the space

00:22:38.560 that I came out of

00:22:39.560 and I got into,

00:22:42.280 you know,

00:22:43.500 environmental work,

00:22:44.740 working for commercial fishermen

00:22:46.260 on the Hudson River

00:22:48.360 and then rivers

00:22:49.120 all over the country

00:22:49.900 protecting habitat,

00:22:51.160 protecting water,

00:22:52.040 clean air,

00:22:52.680 protecting our children

00:22:53.580 against toxins.

00:22:54.480 and it's

00:22:55.480 androcrine disruptors.

00:22:56.700 There's a chemical now,

00:22:58.500 the second most

00:22:59.540 used chemical

00:23:00.920 in this country,

00:23:02.000 pesticide in this country

00:23:03.040 is atrazine.

00:23:03.920 It's banned in Europe,

00:23:05.260 banned all over the world,

00:23:06.340 but we use it here.

00:23:07.260 It's in 63 percent

00:23:08.420 of our drinking water.

00:23:10.840 There's a famous

00:23:11.680 African-American scientist

00:23:13.140 named Tyler Hayes

00:23:14.280 who's at the University

00:23:16.260 of Berkeley.

00:23:16.820 He did a famous experiment

00:23:20.020 that anybody can look up

00:23:21.320 on the internet

00:23:22.000 and it,

00:23:24.460 he put 70 African water frogs

00:23:27.980 in an aquarium.

00:23:29.980 He put atrazine

00:23:31.320 in the water of that aquarium

00:23:32.580 that was less than EPA's level.

00:23:35.100 So it's less than the levels

00:23:37.100 we have in 63 percent

00:23:38.540 of our water supply.

00:23:39.500 60 of those frogs

00:23:42.940 became sterile.

00:23:44.360 They're all male frogs.

00:23:45.620 60 became sterile.

00:23:47.640 10 percent of those frogs

00:23:49.300 turned female

00:23:50.660 and they were able

00:23:51.980 to produce fertile eggs.

00:23:54.160 So it changed their sex. 0.63

00:23:56.840 And of course,

00:23:58.000 normally,

00:23:58.900 you know,

00:23:59.440 when you see something

00:24:00.820 like that in an animal model,

00:24:02.640 the first thing you want to do

00:24:03.940 is tested

00:24:04.560 in a mammalian model

00:24:06.640 and a human model.

00:24:08.620 Those tests were never done.

00:24:10.020 So we don't know

00:24:10.780 what impact it's having

00:24:11.940 on our children,

00:24:12.740 if any.

00:24:14.100 But I think those studies

00:24:15.280 ought to be done.

00:24:17.380 I've been trying

00:24:18.420 for 40 years

00:24:20.040 to get Republicans

00:24:21.400 in, you know,

00:24:22.760 Fox News and elsewhere

00:24:24.000 to pay attention

00:24:24.920 to this threat

00:24:25.820 of endocrine disruptors.

00:24:28.640 And they ridiculed me,

00:24:30.320 derided me,

00:24:31.260 you know,

00:24:31.680 and just ignored me.

00:24:32.820 Tucker Carlson

00:24:34.860 did an extraordinary

00:24:36.220 documentary

00:24:37.040 a year and a half ago

00:24:38.280 on endocrine disruptors

00:24:40.280 and basically said

00:24:41.500 all the things

00:24:42.060 I just said.

00:24:43.740 And he was

00:24:45.460 absolutely attacked

00:24:47.040 by the left

00:24:47.720 and by the mainstream

00:24:48.960 environmental community

00:24:50.060 of this.

00:24:51.540 And then,

00:24:52.000 you know,

00:24:52.320 the other big issue

00:24:53.760 with mainstream

00:24:54.600 environmental

00:24:55.040 is this fixation

00:24:56.060 on carbon alone

00:24:57.200 and all the things

00:24:58.340 that brought us

00:24:59.200 into the environment.

00:25:00.040 People become environmentalists

00:25:01.240 not because they're scared

00:25:03.660 of a line on a graph

00:25:05.480 and, you know,

00:25:06.040 you're going to be dead 0.89

00:25:06.980 after, you know, 0.98

00:25:08.300 at this point in history

00:25:09.900 if you don't behave.

00:25:12.900 We got involved

00:25:13.940 because of love,

00:25:15.180 because of love

00:25:15.880 of the habitat,

00:25:17.400 because of love

00:25:17.860 of the environment,

00:25:18.640 because of love

00:25:19.140 of our purple mountains,

00:25:20.220 magesies,

00:25:20.980 our rivers and streams

00:25:22.220 and understanding.

00:25:24.000 We're not protecting nature

00:25:25.400 for the sake

00:25:26.000 of the fishes

00:25:26.420 and the birds.

00:25:27.160 We're protecting it

00:25:27.740 for our own sake

00:25:28.460 because nature enriches us

00:25:30.140 and this has been forgotten

00:25:32.300 by the environmental movement

00:25:33.440 and they've simply

00:25:35.100 become fixated

00:25:36.180 on carbon alone

00:25:37.780 and that is

00:25:38.600 the only issue.

00:25:40.900 And, you know,

00:25:41.720 I'm watching

00:25:42.520 the outcome

00:25:43.720 of that now

00:25:44.500 on the coast

00:25:46.440 of the Atlantic coast

00:25:47.800 of North America.

00:25:49.440 If 21 offshore wind farms

00:25:51.740 being built

00:25:52.300 is privatized

00:25:54.160 5,000 square miles

00:25:56.060 of land

00:25:56.620 between the Gulf of Maine

00:25:57.680 and North Carolina

00:25:58.780 and they're pounding

00:26:00.600 into the sediment

00:26:01.860 2,200 turbines.

00:26:06.960 The turbines

00:26:07.420 are unspeakably large.

00:26:09.480 Just the blades

00:26:10.420 on those turbines

00:26:11.380 are 1,000 feet long.

00:26:12.560 They're bigger

00:26:12.860 than the Eiffel Tower.

00:26:14.760 They're all made in China 1.00

00:26:16.080 and when they explode,

00:26:18.280 which one did

00:26:18.820 off in Nantucket

00:26:19.640 a month ago,

00:26:21.280 they put shards

00:26:22.140 into the water

00:26:22.700 so you can't swim

00:26:23.580 without getting cut.

00:26:24.580 You can't go

00:26:25.020 to the beaches

00:26:25.500 in Nantucket

00:26:26.220 because of the shards.

00:26:28.720 They're killing the whale.

00:26:30.100 The nymphs

00:26:30.840 of National Marine Fisheries

00:26:32.320 have warned

00:26:33.260 that the turbines

00:26:36.080 are going to cause

00:26:37.520 the collapse

00:26:38.020 of the cod fishery

00:26:38.920 because they're

00:26:39.360 in the spawning grounds.

00:26:41.280 No.

00:26:41.860 The environmental movement

00:26:42.720 doesn't care.

00:26:44.260 They built these

00:26:45.260 and they are destroying

00:26:47.120 the whale populations

00:26:48.080 and everybody knows it.

00:26:49.800 In two years,

00:26:50.680 we've had,

00:26:51.320 you know,

00:26:51.800 on average,

00:26:52.560 there was about

00:26:52.960 four groundings

00:26:53.700 a year.

00:26:55.260 We've had 109 whale deaths

00:26:57.420 unexplained

00:26:58.520 over the past

00:27:00.480 two years long.

00:27:01.600 Since 2016,

00:27:03.300 we've been averaging

00:27:04.660 16 to 20 a year

00:27:06.100 and these are right whales.

00:27:07.720 Right whales,

00:27:09.140 there's only 368

00:27:10.760 left in the world.

00:27:12.000 Only 70

00:27:12.740 fertile females. 0.66

00:27:15.380 Mickey whales,

00:27:16.520 humpback whales

00:27:17.260 and other whale,

00:27:18.080 large whale species

00:27:19.040 and they're being exterminated

00:27:21.400 and everybody's pretending

00:27:22.980 it's not the wind farms

00:27:24.080 but nobody's,

00:27:24.920 there's no other explanation,

00:27:26.360 there's been no other changes

00:27:27.660 and the federal

00:27:30.860 environmental agencies

00:27:32.140 that regulate this

00:27:33.600 also regulate oil production

00:27:36.180 in the Gulf of Mexico.

00:27:37.940 The rule is

00:27:38.900 that if there's a single whale death

00:27:41.200 within 50 miles

00:27:42.420 of an operation,

00:27:43.680 everything comes to a halt

00:27:44.920 until it's explained.

00:27:47.620 If waive that rule,

00:27:49.040 and they've refused

00:27:50.080 to investigate the deaths,

00:27:51.320 they refuse to do

00:27:52.220 proper necropsies

00:27:53.340 of the dead whales

00:27:54.140 to keep us

00:27:55.140 in the dark

00:27:56.140 about what's actually

00:27:57.080 causing this

00:27:57.680 but everybody knows

00:27:58.440 what's causing it.

00:28:00.520 And the big environmental groups,

00:28:02.500 the inside the Beltway groups,

00:28:04.080 including my group

00:28:05.280 that I love,

00:28:06.100 which is NRDC,

00:28:07.060 but Sierra Club

00:28:07.940 and Greenpeace,

00:28:09.200 they're all pretending

00:28:10.920 it's not happening.

00:28:11.960 You have the small

00:28:12.820 environmental groups

00:28:13.840 on the coastline,

00:28:15.120 the 17,

00:28:16.140 you know,

00:28:16.660 these little environmental groups,

00:28:18.280 that are going crazy,

00:28:20.560 protesting it,

00:28:21.380 demanding investigations,

00:28:22.480 but they have been excluded

00:28:24.080 now for the process.

00:28:25.600 And then you're seeing

00:28:27.860 the same,

00:28:28.520 you know,

00:28:28.720 all of those,

00:28:30.360 these wind farms

00:28:32.100 are all being built

00:28:33.060 by foreign companies,

00:28:34.360 right?

00:28:35.740 The foreign,

00:28:36.500 nobody would build

00:28:37.840 a wind farm,

00:28:38.620 an offshore wind.

00:28:39.380 I'm very much in favor

00:28:40.660 of onshore wind.

00:28:41.820 I've built onshore wind.

00:28:43.000 My brother's in that business.

00:28:44.660 You know,

00:28:45.220 onshore wind is very efficient

00:28:46.560 and very,

00:28:47.560 very effective.

00:28:48.160 And we have the best

00:28:48.840 onshore wind in the world

00:28:50.080 here in the United States.

00:28:52.480 Onshore wind

00:28:53.280 can provide wind power

00:28:55.400 at about 11 cents

00:28:56.360 a kilowatt hour.

00:28:57.920 Offshore wind,

00:28:59.200 33 cents a kilowatt hour.

00:29:00.920 The average price of energy

00:29:02.140 in this country

00:29:02.740 is about 14 to 16 cents

00:29:04.540 a kilowatt hour.

00:29:06.360 Onshore wind

00:29:06.980 is more than double that.

00:29:08.360 I mean,

00:29:08.660 offshore wind.

00:29:09.260 So no utility

00:29:10.600 in the world

00:29:11.100 would ever build

00:29:11.920 one of these towers

00:29:12.740 unless it wasn't

00:29:14.060 funded

00:29:15.260 billions of dollars

00:29:17.720 in federal subsidies

00:29:18.980 and tax breaks.

00:29:20.740 The foreign companies,

00:29:22.380 because they're foreign, 0.98

00:29:23.580 they cannot take advantage

00:29:24.760 of U.S. tax breaks.

00:29:26.820 So they get

00:29:27.620 the big financial houses

00:29:30.620 from our country

00:29:32.100 to finance them

00:29:33.160 so they can take

00:29:33.960 those tax breaks

00:29:34.680 so that the big players

00:29:36.580 are BlackRock.

00:29:38.800 Goldman Sachs,

00:29:41.140 Morgan,

00:29:42.560 Citibank,

00:29:43.520 Wells Fargo,

00:29:44.340 all the big contributors

00:29:45.540 to the Democratic Party

00:29:46.660 and they've gotten

00:29:49.180 the tax breaks

00:29:49.820 from the Inflation Reduction Act

00:29:51.260 which was

00:29:51.860 Joe Biden's

00:29:53.660 signature environmental

00:29:54.740 accomplishment

00:29:56.400 but it's not actually

00:29:58.060 protecting the environment.

00:29:59.240 It's all about subsidies,

00:30:00.660 these giant boondoggles

00:30:01.900 for huge players

00:30:04.000 that are destroying

00:30:04.720 the environment.

00:30:06.020 The other big,

00:30:06.920 $79 billion

00:30:07.920 of subsidies

00:30:08.900 are going

00:30:10.660 to carbon capture

00:30:11.840 which is tearing up

00:30:13.800 the Midwest farmland.

00:30:16.060 Oh, this is a boondoggle

00:30:17.300 to big oil companies,

00:30:18.700 to big methane companies,

00:30:19.960 to big ag

00:30:20.640 to take the carbon

00:30:23.340 from methane plants

00:30:24.840 and then inject it

00:30:26.220 into deep wells,

00:30:28.080 oil wells

00:30:28.760 in the Bakken Shale

00:30:29.740 and in southern Illinois

00:30:30.800 to bring out

00:30:32.820 the last drops of oil.

00:30:34.460 So, instead of

00:30:35.660 reducing carbon,

00:30:37.340 they're actually

00:30:37.880 increasing carbon

00:30:39.040 in the environment.

00:30:39.920 It's just

00:30:40.280 this extraordinary

00:30:41.520 and it's $79 billion

00:30:42.860 in subsidies

00:30:43.840 to something

00:30:45.760 that is an

00:30:46.460 absolute boondoggle

00:30:48.120 and there's no other

00:30:49.340 way to describe it.

00:30:51.360 I'll tell you

00:30:51.880 one other thing.

00:30:54.660 There's

00:30:55.300 one of the

00:30:56.880 byproducts

00:30:57.680 of carbon

00:30:58.940 capture

00:30:59.460 is

00:31:00.820 sulfur,

00:31:04.120 is sulfuric acid

00:31:06.680 which

00:31:08.280 the Woods Hole

00:31:10.420 Marine Institute

00:31:11.680 now has a contract

00:31:14.120 to dump

00:31:14.840 2 million metric tons

00:31:18.460 of this material

00:31:21.400 which

00:31:21.740 destroys

00:31:23.500 any form of life.

00:31:24.800 It actually

00:31:25.420 destroys your genes

00:31:26.560 and destroys

00:31:28.220 at the cellular level.

00:31:30.440 Dump it into the ocean

00:31:31.400 off in Nantucket

00:31:32.280 and

00:31:33.400 you know,

00:31:34.940 it's part of this process

00:31:35.940 and they're all

00:31:36.600 going along with it

00:31:37.480 because they've all

00:31:38.040 been paid off

00:31:38.760 and it really is

00:31:40.060 kind of,

00:31:40.460 it's sickening,

00:31:41.240 it's criminal 0.78

00:31:41.760 and

00:31:43.600 it's

00:31:45.320 you know,

00:31:46.840 and that is somehow

00:31:47.980 as I said

00:31:49.080 there's been this huge

00:31:49.960 inversion

00:31:50.420 where the Republicans

00:31:51.320 are opposing that.

00:31:54.040 Republicans

00:31:54.640 are focused

00:31:55.280 on protecting

00:31:55.960 the environment,

00:31:56.660 protecting habitat,

00:31:57.680 protecting our children

00:31:58.560 from these toxic chemicals

00:32:00.020 and the Democratic Party

00:32:02.640 and the

00:32:03.400 associated

00:32:04.280 environmental groups

00:32:05.220 have forgotten

00:32:05.720 about that mission.

00:32:07.520 So you

00:32:07.920 pointed

00:32:08.560 to this inversion

00:32:09.860 you described

00:32:11.060 the failure

00:32:13.440 on the Democrat side

00:32:14.600 to continue

00:32:15.160 standing for peace.

00:32:16.500 You're very skeptical

00:32:17.660 about the environmental

00:32:18.720 movement in relationship

00:32:19.980 to Democrat policies.

00:32:21.520 You talked about

00:32:22.500 free speech.

00:32:23.580 I'm curious

00:32:24.260 how

00:32:25.220 how

00:32:26.060 that

00:32:26.820 inversion

00:32:27.580 played out as well

00:32:28.680 in your more

00:32:29.300 personal experience

00:32:30.320 while you were running

00:32:31.080 for president

00:32:31.620 because the last time

00:32:32.740 we talked

00:32:33.200 you were more or less

00:32:34.340 embarking on your campaign

00:32:35.700 and so

00:32:36.180 I presume

00:32:37.640 that you

00:32:38.040 As a Democrat.

00:32:39.260 Yes,

00:32:39.460 as a Democrat

00:32:40.120 and so I presume

00:32:41.180 that and I know

00:32:42.220 for a fact

00:32:43.360 that you had

00:32:43.960 all sorts of

00:32:44.560 misadventures

00:32:45.240 let's say

00:32:45.680 on the campaign route

00:32:46.660 so I'm curious

00:32:47.760 what you encountered

00:32:49.260 practically speaking

00:32:50.720 in terms of impediments

00:32:52.040 to your campaign

00:32:53.500 because you were

00:32:53.980 as you

00:32:54.600 as we all know

00:32:55.420 you were trying to

00:32:56.300 what

00:32:57.480 rehabilitate the Democrats

00:32:58.880 to pull them

00:32:59.520 to the center

00:33:00.080 to put yourself forward

00:33:01.320 as a credible candidate

00:33:02.260 so

00:33:02.940 I imagine

00:33:04.140 and maybe I'm wrong

00:33:05.440 that there were things

00:33:06.240 that you experienced

00:33:07.200 practically

00:33:07.940 well

00:33:08.380 because you've been

00:33:09.340 in the realm

00:33:09.760 of abstraction

00:33:10.400 to some degree

00:33:11.080 that you experienced

00:33:12.340 practically

00:33:12.860 while you were

00:33:13.360 on the campaign trail

00:33:14.320 that also

00:33:14.920 what would you say

00:33:16.300 made you much more

00:33:17.260 cognizant

00:33:17.940 of how the political

00:33:18.660 process actually works

00:33:20.200 particularly on the

00:33:22.000 Democrat side

00:33:22.740 so what

00:33:23.240 what was that like

00:33:24.020 attention men

00:33:25.520 who still believe

00:33:26.140 in the American dream

00:33:27.060 in a world gone mad

00:33:28.200 the precision five

00:33:29.080 from Jeremy's razor

00:33:29.900 stands as a beacon

00:33:30.820 of sanity

00:33:31.460 five blades

00:33:32.400 of superior engineering

00:33:33.520 offer a shave

00:33:34.400 as unshakable

00:33:35.140 as your faith

00:33:35.820 that the nation's

00:33:36.420 best days

00:33:36.940 still lie ahead

00:33:37.820 experience

00:33:38.460 an exceptionally

00:33:39.060 smooth

00:33:39.560 remarkably

00:33:40.040 close shave

00:33:40.700 and a testament

00:33:41.380 to the fact

00:33:41.900 that merit

00:33:42.380 still matters

00:33:43.060 stop giving your money

00:33:44.120 to woke corporations

00:33:45.000 that hate you

00:33:45.600 get Jeremy's razors

00:33:46.740 precision five

00:33:47.520 instead

00:33:47.920 available now

00:33:48.700 at jeremysrazors.com

00:33:49.920 walmart.com

00:33:50.960 and amazon prime

00:33:52.140 well yeah

00:33:54.920 and that is

00:33:55.740 the ultimate irony

00:33:56.620 that the other

00:33:57.420 part of the inversion

00:33:58.220 is the democratic

00:33:58.940 party

00:33:59.480 has now

00:34:00.440 come out

00:34:01.800 essentially

00:34:02.420 against democracy

00:34:03.440 and you know

00:34:05.320 during

00:34:05.580 I saw that

00:34:06.320 first hand

00:34:07.120 because I saw

00:34:09.200 you know

00:34:09.540 I was not

00:34:10.460 normally

00:34:11.020 in order to

00:34:11.920 choose the president

00:34:12.620 when my father

00:34:13.340 wanted to run

00:34:14.260 in 68

00:34:15.540 he challenged

00:34:16.320 the president

00:34:16.740 of his own party

00:34:17.520 just like I did

00:34:18.460 but he was

00:34:19.100 there was primaries

00:34:20.020 and he was allowed

00:34:20.860 to challenge him

00:34:21.580 and it forced

00:34:22.300 Johnson to

00:34:23.100 step down

00:34:25.080 I think

00:34:26.140 if I'd been

00:34:26.760 able to

00:34:27.160 challenge

00:34:27.600 into the same

00:34:28.320 situation

00:34:29.080 President Biden

00:34:30.820 that he would

00:34:31.260 have been

00:34:31.480 forced to

00:34:31.900 step down

00:34:32.240 much earlier

00:34:32.880 because he

00:34:33.440 would have

00:34:33.620 been forced

00:34:34.040 to debate

00:34:34.480 me

00:34:34.680 people would

00:34:35.160 have seen

00:34:35.560 his impediments

00:34:36.320 much earlier

00:34:37.100 and we could

00:34:39.240 have had

00:34:39.460 real democracy

00:34:40.300 you could have

00:34:40.780 had other people

00:34:41.400 coming to the race

00:34:42.140 not just me

00:34:42.900 but you know

00:34:43.540 Gavin Newsom

00:34:44.420 and Amy Klobuchar

00:34:45.300 and Vice President

00:34:47.240 Harris

00:34:47.600 and other people

00:34:48.380 would have run

00:34:49.140 but instead

00:34:51.160 they just called

00:34:51.900 off the primaries

00:34:52.840 they literally

00:34:53.520 cancelled the primaries

00:34:55.040 and they gave

00:34:55.980 you know

00:34:57.020 they gave the election

00:34:58.180 to President Biden

00:34:59.360 without ever coming

00:35:00.380 out of the White House

00:35:01.360 they did not want

00:35:03.860 him to debate

00:35:04.400 clearly

00:35:04.900 because they did not

00:35:06.020 want to see

00:35:06.960 some of the

00:35:07.520 you know

00:35:07.760 the public

00:35:08.300 to see some

00:35:08.880 of these deficiencies

00:35:09.700 so you had

00:35:10.460 a kind of

00:35:11.620 apparatus

00:35:13.020 that was running

00:35:14.080 a candidate

00:35:14.660 who was

00:35:15.620 who was

00:35:17.660 unqualified

00:35:18.460 for the job

00:35:19.460 and everybody

00:35:21.340 now recognized

00:35:22.420 that

00:35:22.800 but they wanted

00:35:23.560 him in there

00:35:24.380 anyway

00:35:24.880 because they

00:35:27.020 needed a figurehead 0.95

00:35:28.180 who could win

00:35:28.840 the election

00:35:29.300 and who's they

00:35:30.100 well

00:35:31.200 you talked about

00:35:31.980 the military

00:35:32.400 industrial complex

00:35:33.460 well yeah

00:35:33.860 but I

00:35:34.280 you know

00:35:34.560 I'm not even

00:35:35.400 going to go

00:35:35.880 into you know

00:35:36.680 sort of

00:35:37.500 the deep state

00:35:38.160 analysis

00:35:38.600 but I would

00:35:39.340 just say

00:35:39.780 I don't know

00:35:40.280 who made

00:35:40.760 the decision

00:35:41.360 you know

00:35:42.100 clearly

00:35:42.580 there were

00:35:44.500 people around

00:35:45.380 him

00:35:45.800 you know

00:35:46.500 and it could

00:35:47.160 be

00:35:47.460 Anthony Blinken

00:35:48.380 and you know

00:35:49.300 Sullivan

00:35:49.820 and even

00:35:51.220 you know

00:35:51.840 who knows

00:35:52.840 who else

00:35:53.540 but who

00:35:54.300 were

00:35:54.600 whoever was

00:35:56.400 calling the

00:35:57.020 shots

00:35:57.520 and you know

00:35:58.800 there was a

00:35:59.200 there was a

00:35:59.820 really

00:36:00.200 really unbelievable

00:36:02.180 moment

00:36:02.800 at the

00:36:03.420 or poignant

00:36:04.140 moment

00:36:04.660 during the

00:36:05.540 Democratic National

00:36:06.460 Convention

00:36:06.960 when Chris Cuomo

00:36:09.640 points up

00:36:11.900 into the

00:36:12.480 bleachers

00:36:13.240 of the arena

00:36:14.600 you know

00:36:15.240 where the

00:36:15.820 convention

00:36:16.220 was taking place

00:36:17.120 and there

00:36:17.380 was these

00:36:17.740 high seats

00:36:18.660 the box

00:36:19.240 the owner's

00:36:19.920 boxes

00:36:20.300 up in the

00:36:21.060 upper rim

00:36:21.640 of the

00:36:21.900 and he said

00:36:24.000 those are the

00:36:24.620 boxes that

00:36:25.360 cost a million

00:36:26.380 a million and a

00:36:27.020 half to be

00:36:27.960 in that box

00:36:28.620 right now

00:36:29.100 and those

00:36:29.560 are the big

00:36:29.960 donors

00:36:30.380 the Democratic

00:36:30.960 Party

00:36:31.380 the corporate

00:36:31.880 donors

00:36:32.360 the Black

00:36:32.840 Rocks

00:36:33.960 these kind

00:36:35.060 of groups

00:36:35.500 that are up

00:36:36.000 there

00:36:36.160 the military

00:36:36.700 industrial

00:36:37.200 the big

00:36:37.640 pharma

00:36:37.980 he said

00:36:39.600 we don't

00:36:39.940 even know

00:36:40.300 who they

00:36:40.660 are but

00:36:41.080 they're the

00:36:41.440 ones that

00:36:41.820 are making

00:36:42.160 all the

00:36:42.500 decisions

00:36:42.900 here on the

00:36:43.500 floor

00:36:43.840 and you know

00:36:44.760 those are the

00:36:45.280 people that

00:36:45.760 ultimately

00:36:46.220 anointed

00:36:47.100 Kamala Harris

00:36:49.400 you know

00:36:50.280 who I

00:36:51.220 don't think

00:36:51.980 is

00:36:52.340 I don't

00:36:53.680 want to be

00:36:54.100 mean-spirited

00:36:54.800 and I've

00:36:55.340 I've been

00:36:55.980 very disciplined

00:36:56.780 about not

00:36:57.460 name-calling

00:36:58.220 to me

00:37:00.160 it's a

00:37:00.500 disqualifier

00:37:01.480 to be

00:37:02.320 president

00:37:02.640 of the United

00:37:02.940 States

00:37:03.260 if you don't

00:37:03.820 believe in

00:37:04.180 freedom of

00:37:04.620 speech

00:37:05.000 and Vice

00:37:06.620 President

00:37:06.980 Harris

00:37:07.380 has repeatedly

00:37:08.120 said

00:37:08.640 that the

00:37:10.300 First Amendment

00:37:10.860 is a

00:37:11.240 privilege

00:37:11.540 not a

00:37:12.020 right

00:37:12.340 that

00:37:13.460 the government

00:37:14.220 has a

00:37:14.720 duty

00:37:15.080 to

00:37:16.160 censor

00:37:17.780 what she

00:37:18.180 calls

00:37:18.460 misinformation

00:37:18.980 and

00:37:19.460 disinformation

00:37:19.960 that that's

00:37:20.760 not protected

00:37:21.360 by the First

00:37:21.840 Amendment

00:37:21.940 That's a very

00:37:22.220 dangerous word

00:37:23.020 misinformation

00:37:23.520 First of all

00:37:25.440 the First Amendment

00:37:27.680 protects all

00:37:28.600 speech

00:37:29.060 it protects

00:37:29.640 lies

00:37:30.260 it protects

00:37:31.180 you know

00:37:31.820 it was passed

00:37:33.160 not to protect

00:37:34.240 convenient speech

00:37:36.280 but to protect

00:37:37.580 the speech

00:37:38.000 that nobody

00:37:38.460 wants to hear

00:37:39.080 and

00:37:39.420 when the

00:37:40.720 government

00:37:40.960 takes upon

00:37:41.780 itself

00:37:42.300 the

00:37:42.860 right

00:37:44.620 to decide

00:37:46.480 what's true

00:37:47.060 and what's

00:37:47.420 not true

00:37:47.920 then you

00:37:48.380 have a

00:37:48.860 totalitarian

00:37:49.520 system

00:37:50.060 because of

00:37:50.620 course

00:37:50.900 it's going

00:37:51.360 to

00:37:51.540 you know

00:37:52.020 and we

00:37:52.300 saw this

00:37:52.700 during

00:37:52.960 COVID

00:37:53.340 where the

00:37:53.820 government

00:37:54.180 was really

00:37:54.800 the biggest

00:37:55.380 propagator

00:37:56.020 of

00:37:56.260 misinformation

00:37:57.420 of

00:37:57.900 factually

00:37:58.540 inaccurate

00:37:59.520 information

00:38:00.360 that it

00:38:02.800 then uses

00:38:04.060 the control

00:38:04.780 of information

00:38:05.540 to manipulate

00:38:06.300 the public

00:38:06.780 and by

00:38:07.160 the way

00:38:07.540 protecting

00:38:10.260 lies

00:38:10.880 is important

00:38:11.740 because

00:38:12.380 a lot

00:38:12.940 of the

00:38:13.340 assumptions

00:38:18.600 that we

00:38:19.160 have about

00:38:19.600 life

00:38:20.100 and policy

00:38:22.380 and politics

00:38:23.200 and war

00:38:23.820 and peace

00:38:24.480 and the

00:38:25.400 economy

00:38:25.920 started out

00:38:28.840 that now

00:38:29.660 we believe

00:38:30.300 as consensual

00:38:31.240 truth

00:38:31.720 started out

00:38:33.440 as

00:38:33.860 hypothesis

00:38:36.380 suppositions

00:38:37.360 that people

00:38:37.880 considered

00:38:38.320 dishonest

00:38:39.000 or lying

00:38:39.620 or wrong

00:38:40.220 or erroneous

00:38:40.980 or misinformation

00:38:41.560 back then

00:38:42.520 the whole

00:38:44.060 process of

00:38:44.620 democracy

00:38:45.200 is a

00:38:45.940 dialectic

00:38:46.760 in which

00:38:47.600 you know

00:38:48.140 new ideas

00:38:49.200 that are

00:38:49.540 unpopular

00:38:50.260 that appear

00:38:51.280 manipulated

00:38:52.080 and dishonest

00:38:52.800 challenge

00:38:54.700 existing

00:38:55.600 realities

00:38:56.240 and in

00:38:57.220 that dialectic

00:38:58.200 you know

00:38:58.520 in the

00:38:58.880 furnace of

00:38:59.500 debate

00:38:59.960 and the

00:39:00.420 of dialogue

00:39:02.640 of conversation

00:39:03.600 these

00:39:05.600 ideas

00:39:06.620 are annealed

00:39:07.540 and in

00:39:08.720 a true

00:39:09.500 democracy

00:39:10.060 functioning

00:39:10.500 democracy

00:39:11.020 they rise

00:39:12.140 in the

00:39:12.760 marketplace

00:39:13.480 of ideas

00:39:14.240 and become

00:39:14.980 policies

00:39:15.480 if they

00:39:16.040 survive

00:39:16.420 that process

00:39:17.160 nobody

00:39:20.860 should be

00:39:21.280 an arbiter

00:39:21.720 at the

00:39:22.040 beginning

00:39:22.380 at the

00:39:22.700 outset

00:39:23.020 as to

00:39:23.540 what you

00:39:23.980 can talk

00:39:24.420 about

00:39:24.700 and what

00:39:24.980 you can't

00:39:25.600 and the

00:39:26.940 and then

00:39:27.640 and the

00:39:28.580 the impulse

00:39:29.740 of the

00:39:30.020 democratic

00:39:30.380 party

00:39:30.960 to censor

00:39:31.880 debate

00:39:32.220 is part

00:39:32.680 of a

00:39:32.960 larger

00:39:33.400 disease

00:39:34.460 which is

00:39:35.120 which is

00:39:37.100 has to do

00:39:37.700 with centralized

00:39:38.240 control

00:39:39.020 rather than

00:39:40.580 democracy

00:39:41.000 and the

00:39:41.900 mistrust

00:39:42.500 of the

00:39:42.940 people

00:39:43.280 the mistrust

00:39:44.000 of the

00:39:44.300 demos

00:39:44.600 which is

00:39:45.280 the people

00:39:45.840 which is

00:39:47.340 what you

00:39:48.580 know

00:39:48.740 democracy

00:39:49.640 is

00:39:50.060 is

00:39:50.500 is

00:39:51.180 named

00:39:52.100 after

00:39:52.580 so

00:39:53.760 they

00:39:55.300 believe

00:39:56.040 that the

00:39:56.800 government

00:39:57.100 needs to

00:39:57.680 control

00:39:58.000 what people

00:39:58.520 hear

00:39:58.860 so that

00:39:59.260 they don't

00:39:59.760 become infected

00:40:00.520 with dangerous

00:40:01.160 ideas

00:40:01.780 and you know

00:40:02.520 it was

00:40:03.240 dangerous

00:40:03.600 ideas

00:40:04.140 that launched

00:40:04.600 the American

00:40:05.060 revolution

00:40:05.700 an idea

00:40:06.400 that people

00:40:07.220 could actually

00:40:07.880 govern

00:40:09.180 themselves

00:40:09.680 which was

00:40:10.300 considered a

00:40:10.820 lie back

00:40:11.300 then

00:40:11.640 oh you

00:40:13.080 need

00:40:13.260 and you

00:40:13.740 know

00:40:13.960 and they

00:40:14.500 won the

00:40:14.920 revolution

00:40:15.480 and

00:40:17.020 and then

00:40:18.360 you know

00:40:19.220 our nation

00:40:19.780 has been

00:40:20.160 about trusting

00:40:21.120 people

00:40:21.740 and avoiding

00:40:23.020 centralized

00:40:23.600 mechanics

00:40:25.500 of control

00:40:26.160 and now

00:40:27.980 the Democratic

00:40:28.480 Party

00:40:28.880 is all

00:40:29.400 about the

00:40:29.880 centralization

00:40:30.580 of control

00:40:31.120 it's about

00:40:31.580 surveillance

00:40:32.080 it's about

00:40:32.860 controlling

00:40:34.340 the flow

00:40:34.780 of information

00:40:35.520 it's about

00:40:36.500 top-down

00:40:37.500 policies

00:40:38.360 that

00:40:38.940 you know

00:40:40.100 are dictated

00:40:40.940 by an

00:40:41.380 oligarchy 0.99

00:40:41.980 and

00:40:42.700 and it's

00:40:44.760 the opposite

00:40:45.320 of democracy

00:40:46.080 and you know

00:40:46.660 so I saw

00:40:47.340 that firsthand

00:40:48.080 and I saw

00:40:50.140 it in the

00:40:50.440 Democratic Party

00:40:51.080 alone

00:40:51.480 this is

00:40:52.860 an irony

00:40:53.280 from the

00:40:54.560 beginning

00:40:54.880 our polls

00:40:55.680 were showing

00:40:56.260 and all

00:40:56.880 the national

00:40:57.360 polls

00:40:57.680 were showing

00:40:58.180 or almost

00:40:58.700 all of them

00:40:59.300 and I was

00:41:01.080 hurting

00:41:01.300 President Trump

00:41:02.120 about 57%

00:41:04.780 to 60%

00:41:05.760 of the people

00:41:06.520 who said

00:41:06.900 they were

00:41:07.140 going to

00:41:07.320 vote for

00:41:07.660 me

00:41:08.020 said that

00:41:10.200 if I left

00:41:10.680 the race

00:41:11.100 they would

00:41:11.420 switch their

00:41:11.840 votes to

00:41:12.200 Trump

00:41:12.460 so me

00:41:12.940 being in

00:41:13.380 the race

00:41:13.660 was actually

00:41:14.200 helping the

00:41:14.860 Democrats

00:41:15.380 it was the

00:41:17.640 Democrats

00:41:18.140 who were

00:41:18.600 trying to

00:41:19.300 destroy my

00:41:20.360 campaign

00:41:20.920 who were

00:41:21.320 trying to

00:41:21.640 you know

00:41:21.980 sued me

00:41:22.560 despite that

00:41:23.380 yeah

00:41:23.920 and

00:41:24.560 it's very

00:41:25.720 strange

00:41:26.280 right

00:41:26.580 because

00:41:27.020 I was

00:41:28.140 helping

00:41:28.420 them

00:41:28.780 yeah

00:41:29.460 the Republican

00:41:30.960 Party

00:41:31.260 made no effort

00:41:32.040 to keep me

00:41:32.540 off a ballot

00:41:33.080 they didn't

00:41:34.380 make efforts

00:41:35.060 to discredit

00:41:35.700 me

00:41:35.940 I mean

00:41:36.180 President

00:41:36.540 Trump

00:41:36.860 said

00:41:37.240 you know

00:41:37.740 obligatory

00:41:38.540 bad things

00:41:39.220 about me

00:41:39.700 that I was

00:41:40.120 a left-wing

00:41:40.640 radical

00:41:41.100 and all

00:41:41.560 this stuff

00:41:42.160 but they

00:41:42.480 weren't

00:41:42.720 mean-spirited

00:41:43.460 things

00:41:43.980 and they

00:41:44.420 weren't

00:41:45.660 you know

00:41:46.260 there was

00:41:47.200 no effort

00:41:47.700 to keep me

00:41:48.220 from speaking

00:41:49.020 the Democrats

00:41:50.820 kept me

00:41:52.320 from speaking

00:41:52.980 you know

00:41:53.600 and their

00:41:54.520 allied

00:41:55.300 media outlets

00:41:56.780 when

00:41:57.720 when

00:41:58.580 when

00:41:59.660 Ross Perot

00:42:00.800 ran

00:42:01.320 in 1992

00:42:02.660 Jordan

00:42:03.380 he

00:42:05.000 he had

00:42:05.540 he was

00:42:06.100 10 months

00:42:06.680 in the race

00:42:07.320 and he had

00:42:08.600 34 interviews

00:42:09.620 on the

00:42:10.100 mainstream media

00:42:10.820 on ABC

00:42:11.460 NBC

00:42:11.920 CNN

00:42:12.420 etc

00:42:12.920 right

00:42:13.360 in the

00:42:14.760 18 months

00:42:16.460 that I

00:42:16.780 spent

00:42:17.040 the race

00:42:17.520 I had

00:42:18.040 two live

00:42:18.500 interviews

00:42:18.960 and how

00:42:19.800 long

00:42:20.080 were they

00:42:20.520 I was

00:42:21.260 how long

00:42:22.180 were the

00:42:22.440 interviews

00:42:22.920 well they

00:42:23.920 weren't

00:42:24.240 long

00:42:24.660 I mean

00:42:24.880 the longest

00:42:25.460 one was

00:42:26.000 with

00:42:26.400 Aaron Burnett

00:42:27.920 which was

00:42:28.440 I think

00:42:28.920 22 minutes

00:42:30.080 maybe 27

00:42:30.840 minutes

00:42:31.360 so you

00:42:32.360 got about

00:42:32.660 five

00:42:33.060 interviews

00:42:33.480 so they

00:42:34.020 can't

00:42:34.480 you know

00:42:34.700 they can't

00:42:35.480 censor it

00:42:36.200 if you do

00:42:37.700 a taped

00:42:38.120 interview

00:42:38.520 they cut

00:42:39.040 out whatever

00:42:39.540 they don't

00:42:39.900 want the 0.55

00:42:40.540 public to

00:42:40.940 hear

00:42:41.200 yeah

00:42:41.560 oh I

00:42:42.640 had two

00:42:43.080 live

00:42:43.440 interviews

00:42:43.840 during

00:42:44.380 18 months

00:42:46.040 compared to

00:42:46.700 34 interviews

00:42:47.740 in 10

00:42:48.180 months

00:42:48.440 that he

00:42:48.780 had

00:42:49.040 oh they

00:42:50.800 you know

00:42:51.280 I wasn't

00:42:51.760 allowed to

00:42:52.220 write letters

00:42:52.740 to the editor

00:42:53.260 to the

00:42:54.380 Washington Post

00:42:55.120 the New York

00:42:55.560 Times

00:42:55.980 any of the

00:42:56.560 mainstream

00:42:57.000 you know

00:42:58.040 sort of

00:42:58.500 the Democratic

00:42:58.980 periodicals

00:43:01.580 or publish

00:43:02.940 editorials

00:43:03.700 none of them

00:43:04.220 I could not

00:43:04.920 speak to that

00:43:05.520 constituency

00:43:06.000 and you know

00:43:08.640 that's really

00:43:09.400 why you know

00:43:10.440 I had to

00:43:11.160 withdraw

00:43:11.460 and then they

00:43:12.380 wouldn't let

00:43:12.720 me on the

00:43:13.080 debate stage

00:43:13.780 yeah right

00:43:14.400 and that was

00:43:15.500 a collusion

00:43:16.100 too because

00:43:16.840 if you had

00:43:17.620 the old

00:43:18.020 debating

00:43:18.460 commission

00:43:18.940 it was

00:43:19.320 run by

00:43:19.960 originally

00:43:21.580 for the

00:43:21.880 first

00:43:22.160 15 years

00:43:23.900 you know

00:43:24.280 my uncle

00:43:24.800 had the

00:43:25.200 first

00:43:25.420 televised

00:43:25.880 debate

00:43:26.260 1960

00:43:27.060 and for

00:43:28.960 20 years

00:43:29.700 after that

00:43:30.600 it was

00:43:32.080 run by

00:43:32.500 the League

00:43:32.820 of Women

00:43:33.140 Voters

00:43:33.580 which was

00:43:34.060 independent

00:43:34.640 unbiased

00:43:35.580 and they

00:43:36.120 had their

00:43:36.620 own rules

00:43:37.120 for letting

00:43:37.500 people in

00:43:37.980 and they

00:43:38.180 would have

00:43:38.500 let me

00:43:38.860 in under

00:43:39.300 their rules

00:43:39.740 and for

00:43:41.600 the next

00:43:42.380 you know

00:43:42.900 after 1980

00:43:43.880 it was run

00:43:44.540 by the

00:43:45.020 Commission

00:43:46.500 on Presidential

00:43:47.140 Debates

00:43:47.640 which was

00:43:48.080 also

00:43:48.520 unbiased

00:43:49.360 but now

00:43:51.540 President Biden

00:43:52.980 and President

00:43:53.380 Trump said

00:43:53.900 we're not

00:43:54.220 going to use

00:43:54.840 the Commission

00:43:55.520 on Debates

00:43:56.060 now we're

00:43:56.600 going to make

00:43:56.940 a separate

00:43:57.500 deal

00:43:57.940 with CNN

00:43:59.500 and we

00:44:00.980 now know

00:44:01.560 what happened

00:44:02.160 in that

00:44:02.600 New York

00:44:04.160 Times reported

00:44:05.060 in their

00:44:05.460 conversations

00:44:06.120 where

00:44:06.620 President

00:44:07.920 Biden

00:44:08.280 said

00:44:08.700 we are

00:44:09.240 not

00:44:09.500 going

00:44:09.660 to be

00:44:09.900 on the

00:44:10.340 stage

00:44:10.560 with

00:44:10.720 Robert

00:44:11.000 Kennedy

00:44:11.400 and we

00:44:12.240 want you

00:44:12.560 to keep

00:44:12.900 him off

00:44:13.320 and if

00:44:13.840 you have

00:44:15.200 rules

00:44:15.540 that let

00:44:15.900 him on

00:44:16.460 then we're

00:44:17.000 not coming

00:44:17.500 and for

00:44:18.860 CNN

00:44:19.240 you know

00:44:20.300 it's

00:44:21.100 tens of

00:44:21.700 millions

00:44:21.920 of dollars

00:44:22.540 for that

00:44:23.980 debate

00:44:24.400 and then

00:44:26.040 they're

00:44:26.260 going to

00:44:26.460 get

00:44:26.700 hundreds

00:44:27.000 of

00:44:29.060 millions

00:44:29.180 of

00:44:29.340 millions

00:44:29.420 he

00:44:30.020 went

00:44:31.300 back

00:44:31.560 and

00:44:31.740 forth

00:44:31.980 on it

00:44:32.360 so the

00:44:32.720 Republicans

00:44:33.200 were not

00:44:33.720 entirely

00:44:34.340 good

00:44:34.700 on that

00:44:35.140 but he

00:44:35.660 did say

00:44:36.180 publicly

00:44:36.680 you know

00:44:37.520 I think

00:44:37.980 he should

00:44:38.340 be on

00:44:38.640 the

00:44:38.700 debate

00:44:38.900 and then

00:44:41.360 the same

00:44:43.740 thing

00:44:43.960 happened

00:44:44.260 with ABC

00:44:44.800 and they

00:44:45.300 adopted

00:44:45.760 rules

00:44:46.440 that

00:44:46.840 actually

00:44:48.120 I was

00:44:49.480 able to

00:44:49.980 reach their

00:44:50.640 metrics

00:44:51.120 their

00:44:51.380 thresholds

00:44:52.140 but they

00:44:52.480 still kept

00:44:52.960 me off

00:44:53.300 the debating

00:44:54.140 stage

00:44:54.560 and that's

00:44:56.360 illegal

00:44:56.900 clearly

00:44:57.760 it's illegal

00:44:58.480 under

00:44:58.880 FEC 0.95

00:44:59.280 rules

00:44:59.780 you're not

00:45:00.180 allowed to

00:45:00.960 deliberately

00:45:01.780 exclude

00:45:02.440 another

00:45:03.180 candidate

00:45:03.600 from the

00:45:03.940 debate

00:45:04.300 without

00:45:05.860 neutral

00:45:06.280 rules

00:45:06.780 and

00:45:07.060 you're

00:45:07.560 not

00:45:07.820 allowed

00:45:08.120 to

00:45:08.360 develop

00:45:08.700 rules

00:45:09.060 specifically

00:45:09.580 to

00:45:09.820 keep

00:45:10.060 somebody

00:45:10.400 off

00:45:10.600 the

00:45:10.700 debate

00:45:10.960 otherwise

00:45:11.600 the

00:45:12.960 debate

00:45:13.180 itself

00:45:13.580 becomes

00:45:13.940 an

00:45:14.120 illegal

00:45:14.420 campaign

00:45:14.980 contribution

00:45:15.680 and

00:45:16.120 that's

00:45:17.580 why

00:45:17.880 Trump's

00:45:19.680 lawyer

00:45:20.100 went to

00:45:20.960 jail

00:45:21.220 for that

00:45:21.740 so

00:45:23.360 what they

00:45:24.980 were doing

00:45:25.360 was criminal

00:45:26.040 the FEC

00:45:28.280 is an

00:45:28.800 anemic

00:45:29.080 organization

00:45:29.880 that is

00:45:30.500 half the

00:45:31.080 commissioners

00:45:31.560 are

00:45:31.620 Republican

00:45:32.000 half are

00:45:32.460 Democrats

00:45:32.880 so

00:45:33.360 none of

00:45:34.680 them

00:45:34.800 care

00:45:35.040 about

00:45:35.280 an

00:45:35.400 independent

00:45:35.840 so they

00:45:37.180 just

00:45:37.420 didn't

00:45:37.620 act

00:45:37.980 on

00:45:38.220 it

00:45:38.400 about

00:45:40.620 I don't

00:45:41.580 know

00:45:41.720 three months

00:45:42.300 ago

00:45:42.720 President Biden

00:45:45.420 and Kamala Harris

00:45:46.440 gave this statement

00:45:48.400 about

00:45:48.940 Vladimir Putin

00:45:51.300 where they said

00:45:52.140 they were

00:45:52.520 ridiculing him

00:45:53.400 because he had

00:45:53.980 won the

00:45:54.540 Russian election

00:45:56.860 with I think

00:45:57.920 he got

00:45:58.260 88%

00:45:59.020 of the vote

00:45:59.580 and they

00:46:00.240 said

00:46:00.540 well

00:46:01.000 you know

00:46:01.600 that's

00:46:02.020 because

00:46:02.320 he didn't

00:46:02.980 let anybody

00:46:03.500 else run

00:46:04.060 against him

00:46:04.780 and because

00:46:05.960 he controlled

00:46:06.740 the media

00:46:07.260 so you know

00:46:08.860 that's not

00:46:09.300 really

00:46:09.500 democracy

00:46:10.080 well

00:46:10.540 that was

00:46:11.820 the same

00:46:12.180 system

00:46:12.580 they put

00:46:13.040 in place

00:46:13.520 over here

00:46:14.120 so the whole

00:46:14.780 thing was

00:46:15.300 was an

00:46:17.420 irony

00:46:17.720 but you know

00:46:18.400 that

00:46:18.720 is also

00:46:20.160 the fact

00:46:21.100 the Democratic

00:46:21.580 Party

00:46:22.060 abandoned

00:46:22.640 democracy

00:46:23.240 was another

00:46:23.940 part of

00:46:24.400 this inversion

00:46:25.100 that has

00:46:26.140 taken place

00:46:26.980 my wife

00:46:28.340 saw that

00:46:30.080 process

00:46:30.760 first hand

00:46:31.640 and I

00:46:33.200 think

00:46:33.560 you know

00:46:34.600 it

00:46:34.960 changed some

00:46:36.420 of her

00:46:36.760 world view

00:46:37.320 and made her

00:46:37.960 she wasn't

00:46:38.580 happy about

00:46:39.260 me endorsing

00:46:40.220 President Trump

00:46:41.120 at all

00:46:41.840 and did not

00:46:44.080 want me to do

00:46:44.740 it but it

00:46:45.260 became I

00:46:45.920 think you

00:46:46.520 know tolerable

00:46:47.720 for her

00:46:48.240 where she

00:46:48.860 and that was

00:46:50.900 important for

00:46:51.560 me to have

00:46:52.200 her on board

00:46:53.180 imagine waking

00:46:54.480 up one day

00:46:55.200 your entire

00:46:55.760 world turned

00:46:56.600 upside down

00:46:57.400 that's the

00:46:58.140 reality for

00:46:58.740 countless

00:46:59.080 families in

00:46:59.740 Israel right 0.98

00:47:00.500 now

00:47:00.800 communities

00:47:01.440 shattered

00:47:01.940 lives uprooted

00:47:02.940 and a

00:47:03.280 constant threat

00:47:03.920 looming

00:47:04.300 overhead

00:47:04.760 it's a stark

00:47:05.760 reminder of

00:47:06.260 how quickly

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00:47:07.340 crumble

00:47:07.640 in times of

00:47:08.840 chaos it's

00:47:09.440 not just about

00:47:10.060 surviving

00:47:10.540 it's about

00:47:11.020 standing firm

00:47:11.780 showing solidarity

00:47:12.840 and taking

00:47:13.520 action

00:47:13.900 that's where

00:47:14.580 the International

00:47:15.140 Fellowship of

00:47:15.800 Christians and

00:47:16.280 Jews comes in 0.99

00:47:17.000 they're not just

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00:47:18.720 they're on the

00:47:19.160 ground providing

00:47:19.780 real tangible

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00:47:24.120 the fellowship

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00:47:43.400 it's more than just a

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00:48:17.200 god bless and thank you

00:48:18.840 so can I ask you a

00:48:22.320 little bit about what

00:48:23.360 I've seen as a major

00:48:24.360 transformation on the

00:48:25.480 Trump side and it's

00:48:27.120 allayed some of my

00:48:28.000 concerns hypothetically

00:48:29.140 about the manner in

00:48:30.940 which he might conduct

00:48:31.800 an administration like

00:48:32.780 I think he made a

00:48:34.460 major error in the

00:48:35.640 debate with Harris not

00:48:37.440 stressing continually the

00:48:40.440 makeup of the team that

00:48:41.720 he's gathered around him

00:48:42.880 at the moment I was

00:48:44.200 joking with some people

00:48:45.240 earlier today about the

00:48:46.380 fact that if I was an

00:48:48.360 American which I'm not 0.72

00:48:49.380 I would vote for Trump

00:48:50.820 merely because Musk said

00:48:52.900 he would head a

00:48:53.620 commission on

00:48:54.260 investigation into

00:48:55.220 inefficiencies in

00:48:56.020 government and to me

00:48:57.160 that like that's a

00:48:58.200 stunning opportunity

00:48:59.260 because Musk has shown

00:49:00.360 time and time again

00:49:01.580 that he can do exactly

00:49:02.560 that sort of thing he

00:49:04.240 has Musk he has you

00:49:05.560 he has Tulsi Gabbard

00:49:07.400 he has JD Vance he

00:49:08.940 has Vivek Ramaswamy I

00:49:10.700 mean first of all these

00:49:12.000 are unlikely Republicans

00:49:13.360 to say the least and

00:49:14.480 they're also remarkable

00:49:15.360 people and so it's

00:49:18.340 seems to me that along

00:49:19.440 with the inversion of

00:49:20.420 the Democrats that you

00:49:21.480 described and laid out in

00:49:22.840 in multiple dimensions

00:49:24.320 there's also been a

00:49:25.760 transformation not only of

00:49:27.660 the Republicans in the

00:49:28.580 way you said but also in

00:49:30.400 the Trump in the team

00:49:32.860 that's gathered around

00:49:33.660 Trump himself and so

00:49:34.860 while I'm curious what

00:49:36.320 you think about Trump

00:49:37.620 per se you've met with

00:49:38.980 him many times now and

00:49:39.920 you guys have obviously

00:49:40.760 cobbled together something

00:49:41.840 approximating a

00:49:42.680 functional agreement he

00:49:43.740 obviously listened to you

00:49:45.000 on the health front but

00:49:46.280 then there's these other

00:49:47.080 people that are surrounding

00:49:48.620 him at the moment too

00:49:49.680 that seem to be well

00:49:51.500 they they remind me in

00:49:52.920 some ways they remind me

00:49:54.760 in some ways of you

00:49:55.680 they're not the typical

00:49:58.080 political players they're

00:49:59.120 much more entrepreneurial

00:50:00.040 they're not they're

00:50:01.120 certainly not classic

00:50:02.160 Republicans and so what

00:50:04.440 do you how are things

00:50:06.040 going with you and Trump

00:50:07.320 you said a bunch of

00:50:08.420 things about the

00:50:08.980 Democrats that were

00:50:10.000 critical but you haven't

00:50:13.040 yet elucidated your

00:50:15.180 opinions with regards to

00:50:16.840 Trump and the team

00:50:17.560 that's around him now so

00:50:18.540 I'm curious about your

00:50:19.600 your sentiments in that

00:50:20.980 regard yeah I mean I

00:50:22.060 had you know multiple

00:50:23.300 discussions I got a call

00:50:26.160 from about two hours

00:50:28.580 after President Trump's

00:50:30.900 shooting in Butler I got a

00:50:32.520 call from a guy called

00:50:33.900 Kelly Means who is

00:50:35.600 really a genius who's been

00:50:39.580 on the the forefront of

00:50:41.480 reforming our food system

00:50:43.200 and you know dealing

00:50:44.500 with the chronic disease

00:50:45.440 epidemic he and his

00:50:46.880 sister Casey Means who

00:50:48.160 did this wonderful

00:50:49.040 interview with with Tucker

00:50:52.700 that you know introduced a

00:50:54.240 lot of people to them he

00:50:56.500 called me and he said to

00:50:57.680 me you know are you

00:50:59.100 interested in talking to

00:51:00.640 the Trump team about you

00:51:03.000 know some kind of a

00:51:03.840 partnership about perhaps

00:51:07.400 unifying your parties and

00:51:10.240 he and I said no

00:51:12.300 immediately and then I

00:51:14.980 actually called my family

00:51:16.280 members and talked to you

00:51:19.000 know a number of like you

00:51:21.140 know my immediate family

00:51:22.120 members and and they said

00:51:26.360 you should talk to him my

00:51:28.320 wife said you know you

00:51:30.580 should talk to him but she

00:51:32.780 was not thinking about

00:51:34.160 unifying the party she was

00:51:35.440 just thinking that and he

00:51:38.120 had just been shot and

00:51:39.600 that you know my because I

00:51:42.620 came from a background

00:51:43.880 where my you know my

00:51:45.000 uncle my father were killed

00:51:46.160 by assassins that it would

00:51:49.120 be a compassionate thing to

00:51:50.440 talk to him but my kids

00:51:52.020 were you know you should

00:51:53.280 talk to him about you know

00:51:54.980 about hearing him out on

00:51:57.900 what he has in mind and so

00:52:03.100 I ended up I then sent Kelly

00:52:06.560 means a text saying you know

00:52:08.380 I'm interested and then a

00:52:09.960 few minutes later I got a

00:52:11.520 text from a three-way text

00:52:14.460 from Tucker Carlson with an

00:52:17.900 unknown number that was

00:52:19.260 President Trump's cell phone

00:52:20.980 and he said you know will you

00:52:25.300 guys talk and then I said

00:52:26.980 yes and a few minutes later I

00:52:28.440 got a call from President

00:52:29.440 Trump and we talked probably

00:52:32.620 for 30 or 35 minutes and we

00:52:34.480 talked about a whole lot of

00:52:36.740 issues different issues and

00:52:38.660 you know about his shooting

00:52:39.840 and about the issues that I

00:52:42.400 was interested in and he

00:52:45.580 expressed a kind of a at that

00:52:48.000 point was which was a

00:52:49.600 conformance with me on some of

00:52:53.280 that alignment with me on some

00:52:54.560 of those issues and we

00:52:57.240 agreed to meet the next day

00:52:58.600 and we ended up meeting in

00:52:59.940 Milwaukee and we had I think

00:53:01.520 probably about two and a half

00:53:02.860 hours together and at that

00:53:07.060 point we talked about the food

00:53:08.780 system we talked about the

00:53:10.140 chronic disease epidemic we

00:53:11.660 talked about the about the

00:53:14.000 neocons and the addiction to

00:53:15.540 war and I was impressed by his

00:53:19.480 just I would say visceral

00:53:21.740 revulsion about the neocons and

00:53:24.160 about their view of an imperium

00:53:26.280 abroad and a national security

00:53:27.720 state at home which go hand in

00:53:30.780 hand because imperialism abroad

00:53:33.220 is inconsistent with democracy

00:53:35.000 at home and with also his

00:53:39.760 abhorrence for censorship which

00:53:41.640 he was again it was visceral with

00:53:43.580 him and I think part of that is

00:53:45.260 because he's seen it in action you

00:53:47.460 know he's been the target of

00:53:48.800 censorship the same as I am and

00:53:52.140 so then we agreed that maybe there

00:53:56.980 was a there was grounds to meet on

00:53:59.900 they wanted me to do something at

00:54:01.620 the at the convention the

00:54:03.000 Republican convention and I was

00:54:04.700 not ready to do anything and then

00:54:08.120 after that I actually contacted the

00:54:10.340 Harris campaign to see if she would 1.00

00:54:13.240 have a conversation with me and she 0.91

00:54:16.680 just said out right now and then I

00:54:20.000 what why do you think that was I mean

00:54:22.200 you'd think a conversation I don't I

00:54:24.120 don't know I don't to me it's

00:54:26.500 unimaginable that you know you

00:54:28.260 wouldn't have a conversation that

00:54:31.860 kind of conversation particularly

00:54:33.260 because you know my because the race

00:54:39.500 could be so close it's going to be

00:54:41.180 within two or three points and I had a

00:54:45.040 following enough that was large enough

00:54:47.480 to swing it one way or the other and

00:54:51.440 at least theoretically so you know I

00:54:55.240 wouldn't guilt by association is it

00:54:57.420 something like that I mean I've had a

00:54:58.780 lot of experience I think I talk so

00:55:00.980 radioactive in the Democratic Party and

00:55:04.900 also they you know they believe their

00:55:07.000 own publicity so they've got they're

00:55:09.260 all reading the New York Times and

00:55:10.900 watching CNN and if you're living in

00:55:14.360 that information ecosystem first of all

00:55:17.040 you'll never see me talk explain my own

00:55:19.760 issues what you'll hear is that you

00:55:24.400 know I'm anti-vax and that I'm anti-science

00:55:28.300 and that I'm I'm a crazy person and that 0.84

00:55:32.320 I'm a lunatic and you know all the other

00:55:35.240 things that are just are kind of the 0.97

00:55:37.320 standard defamations and and perjuries

00:55:41.320 about me on the on the Democratic control

00:55:43.900 media or aligned media so and they're

00:55:47.820 probably believing parts of that and you

00:55:49.960 know so who knows that might also be

00:55:53.800 part of that look into her mind and

00:55:56.100 explain what what they did you know why

00:55:59.300 they did I could speculate a lot but you

00:56:01.520 know what's the point and then I

00:56:04.920 continued having conversations with the

00:56:07.980 Trump campaign and with President Trump

00:56:11.620 himself being a number of personal

00:56:13.280 conversation

00:56:14.020 and I ended up going to Mar-a-Lago

00:56:19.360 with Amaryllis my daughter-in-law who

00:56:22.080 runs my campaign and we sat down with

00:56:26.060 with Don Jr. and with with President

00:56:30.820 Trump and Susie Wiles' campaign manager

00:56:33.520 for several hours and talked through

00:56:37.460 these issues and we agreed to do a unity

00:56:40.300 campaign where we would like they have in

00:56:44.460 Europe where there are you know where

00:56:46.460 there there's coalitions where you don't

00:56:49.840 you don't give up your own independence or

00:56:51.740 your capacity to criticize your allies on

00:56:55.600 things with which you don't agree with

00:56:57.180 them and and he was very agreeable to

00:56:59.520 that and on the things that on the issues

00:57:01.720 that we don't agree on that I would

00:57:03.400 continue to criticize him and he could

00:57:05.400 criticize me without penalty and to our

00:57:09.360 to our alliance and that that the issues

00:57:15.720 that we did agree on he agreed to make

00:57:18.400 them priorities and to and to involve me

00:57:24.080 in some way in in helping to choose the

00:57:28.120 new government and helping to give

00:57:31.980 emphasis to the policies that I was

00:57:34.680 concerned about and the three policies

00:57:36.660 were children's health and the chronic

00:57:39.260 disease epidemic and which involves the

00:57:41.760 food system and the and you know and

00:57:44.160 getting the corruption out of the the

00:57:46.580 public health agencies and out of USDA

00:57:48.660 second to ending the censorship and and

00:57:54.400 and surveillance and number three ending

00:57:58.940 the warfare state ending the ukraine war

00:58:02.900 immediately and all of those are issues

00:58:07.100 that he those are big issues had come to

00:58:11.060 on his own and that I think he

00:58:14.960 appreciated my insights on some of those

00:58:17.900 issues and my passion for some of those

00:58:21.100 issues and my knowledge about some of those

00:58:25.580 issues and expertise and he welcomed me you

00:58:29.960 know my involvement I mean one of the

00:58:31.640 things you asked me about what I sort of had

00:58:35.180 come to discover about President Trump and he

00:58:37.200 said to me a number of things that were very

00:58:39.420 illuminating one is that he and Donald

00:58:43.500 Jr. and J.D. Vance were absolutely

00:58:49.200 had extraordinary antipathy toward what the

00:58:55.800 neocons have done to our country I was 1.00

00:58:59.300 surprised about that how knowledgeable they

00:59:01.260 were and how passionate and now J.D. Vance is a

00:59:05.460 soldier and so and he his understanding of the

00:59:09.360 neocons comes out of his own you know service

00:59:11.960 abroad and his own military service and then

00:59:15.740 Donald Trump Jr. I don't know exactly how he

00:59:20.300 came to his antagonism toward them but it is

00:59:26.440 it was it's very very heartfelt that gave me a

00:59:31.280 lot of confidence as well that he's surrounded

00:59:33.200 by people who are close to him that are in his

00:59:35.180 family and that you know are gonna are gonna be

00:59:38.280 involved in his administration who agreed

00:59:41.700 with me and we talked at that time about

00:59:45.260 and in fact it was an issue that I brought

00:59:47.740 out up about bringing Tulsi onto the team and

00:59:52.360 and they were very very welcoming of that

00:59:56.200 idea and that of course another one who had

00:59:59.540 tremendous trouble with the Democrats not

01:00:02.340 only and and she was the deputy director of the

01:00:08.060 Democratic National Committee yeah you know

01:00:10.280 four years ago yeah oh she was a core you know

01:00:14.020 Democrat and a Democratic presidential candidate

01:00:17.320 Democrat congresswoman um yet a formidable figure yeah and 0.97

01:00:22.500 very very formidable and uh and somebody that I like

01:00:27.400 personally a lot and I've had a long and very very

01:00:31.540 friendly relationship with and then um but he also

01:00:36.400 said something to me he said last time that I was in you

01:00:41.380 know in 2016 he said I I was uh uh we got elected and he

01:00:47.280 he said we didn't really expect that that was gonna happen

01:00:51.100 and uh right obviously I was not prepared for it yeah and

01:00:56.420 he said you know we launched the transition committee in

01:00:59.060 in January and I was immediately surrounded by you know

01:01:04.360 business people and lobbyists and saying you pick this guy

01:01:07.300 pick that guy pick that guy and he said and I did it I did

01:01:09.840 what they said he said I later came to regret it and a lot

01:01:14.260 of those people were bad people like you know how he talks about

01:01:18.380 he said they're bad people yeah yeah and um and he said I don't

01:01:23.320 want to do that this time I want to do something completely

01:01:27.420 different and he said we're going to launch a transition

01:01:30.660 committee starting this week so normally the transition

01:01:34.980 committee is paid for by the GAO by the general accounting

01:01:38.100 office and you don't launch till after the election but with

01:01:43.860 him he got private donors to uh to law to pay for the transmit

01:01:49.100 transition committee and he's starting it four or five months

01:01:53.400 early yeah so that they can actually put a government in place

01:01:57.240 and then another thing he said is you know one of the big complaints

01:02:00.200 against President Trump has been that he's sort of a captive of the

01:02:03.320 Heritage Foundation and Project 2025 and he said to me uh he said you

01:02:10.960 you know Project 2025 they keep trying to stick that to me and I've never

01:02:15.680 read it I never heard it I heard of it until people started telling me 0.99

01:02:19.720 that I was behind it and he said that was written by a right-wing asshole 1.00

01:02:24.660 that's what he said to me and he said there are left-wing assholes 1.00

01:02:28.200 and there are right-wing assholes and that was written by a right-wing 1.00

01:02:31.600 asshole and so in that way you know he uh he kind of you know disavowed this 1.00

01:02:39.360 kind of ideological um pigeonhole that they're trying to put him in 0.89

01:02:44.700 and I think his administration is going to be really

01:02:48.520 interesting because uh like you said he's surrounded by people who are

01:02:53.140 entrepreneurial yeah really are common sense people

01:02:55.980 who want to do the right thing for our country

01:02:59.580 and you know I also came to understand President Trump in a different light and

01:03:04.580 it's easy for me to understand because I've been vilified and demonized by the

01:03:08.320 press and I and the view of me you know across the kind of the liberal

01:03:13.200 landscapes is that you know I'm this really insane crazy person and um and you know but

01:03:22.260 a lot of people I I you know take that for as gospel as reality and you know I think a lot of the

01:03:31.640 things that have been said about President Trump are the same thing they're things that are

01:03:36.100 are propaganda tropes there are very simplistic characterizations of him that miss some of the

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01:04:58.280 this quite remarkable team around him so let me steel man the democrats for a second and and tell me

01:05:04.320 what you think of this i i've have a number of democrat contacts and they've been making a case to me that

01:05:10.300 things have genuinely shifted um since harris took the reins and they point to things such things as

01:05:17.380 relative um relatively less emphasis being placed for example at the dnc on the climate crisis and

01:05:25.680 carbon dioxide a relative um shelving or siloing of the more radical leftist movement within the

01:05:31.920 democrats which in my experience they've just they've what uh declined to even admit that that exists

01:05:38.900 which has been a kind of blindness that to me is nothing short of miraculous is like is it possible that

01:05:45.280 there is a shift towards the center in the in the democrat party and have we seen that since

01:05:51.180 harris took the reins and do you have any hope in that regard or was your experience your personal

01:05:57.760 experience with their machinations and the problems that you detailed out um so comprehensive that

01:06:04.720 that you think that that what was that is that is too little too late or not real at all i guess

01:06:12.020 well it's hard to look into somebody else's head so and so i make a practice of not doing it but

01:06:19.860 what i would say um is a couple of things one is that both tim waltz and

01:06:26.920 comlin i've i made this point before and then hillary yesterday um who's kind of the bellwether for 1.00

01:06:34.900 you know who with the democratic party is all have been very very vocal about um about censorship

01:06:43.720 about their enthusiasm for government censorship and about how they're going to crack down on the

01:06:50.160 social media nobody has spoken out about the censorship now taking place in europe or in brazil where

01:06:55.680 do you think see that as characteristic of newsom's new bill for example yeah the bill that they have

01:07:01.680 here in in uh in california but they you know the ban on twitter in in uh brazil the arrest of uh pavlo

01:07:11.940 derov and um and uh in france which is you know an extraordinary event that the head of telegram

01:07:20.220 would be pulled off his plane when he stopped for a refueling stop and put in jail

01:07:25.500 and there's no reason to do that because europe is openly censoring content already and and by the

01:07:34.100 way they do have you know pavlo derov uh pavlo derov uh is a resident of abu dhabi and and france has a

01:07:42.800 extradition treaty with with abu dhabi so they could arrest him anytime they wanted and uh

01:07:49.840 it was it seemed to be like a a deliberate signal to the world about if you mess with the machine you

01:07:57.780 are going to be chewed up and spit out and uh and also you know i think having to do with ukraine war

01:08:06.840 because telegram is widely used in ukraine and also russia and there are you know there are listservs

01:08:14.620 or groups in ukraine that are pro-ukrainian and in and russia that are any uh ukraine war

01:08:21.780 and or you know or pro-russian in that war and i think that that it was probably a u.s instigated

01:08:31.580 france has this robust a an attachment to freedom of speech as we have in our country they

01:08:37.400 in 1789 during the french revolution they pass all of these bills that are still on the books

01:08:44.600 that give a that make freedom of speech sacred in and uh france and then in the 1880s

01:08:50.460 they passed another slew of bills that reinforced and fortified the tradition of freedom of speech so

01:08:58.120 it was as robust their attachment of uh of freedom of expression as it is in this country

01:09:04.660 and yet they abandoned it you know overnight and if if america really was the exemplary nation if we

01:09:14.620 were the promoter of democracy around the world we would spend less time overthrowing democratically

01:09:21.020 elected governments and more time defending freedom of speech as it as the western democracy

01:09:28.100 has abandoned it we we would be objecting and we would be saying you know this is bad for you but

01:09:33.520 it's also bad for americans i mean you add this you know what somebody i would consider an insane

01:09:40.160 person dary breton the commissioner of the european commission he quit this week oh thank god yeah yeah

01:09:47.620 who who threatened musk you and musk criminal and civil prosecution if he allowed without getting

01:09:55.920 permission from me you apparently with the former president of the united states who is the you know

01:10:00.920 who's the the nominee of one of our two big political parties you can't listen to him give a live

01:10:07.920 interview that he has to protect the people of of europe against that threat oh and we should be

01:10:15.200 objecting to that the united states for sure you know a real president president biden president

01:10:20.480 or vice president kamala harris would be coming out waving flags saying you don't do that you know 0.98

01:10:25.940 where we're no matter what no matter what no matter what no matter what yeah no matter what yeah it's

01:10:31.860 absolute you do not do that you're not a democracy if you do that and calling them out on it there was

01:10:37.280 none of that oh i think that if you don't understand that um that censorship is incompatible with

01:10:45.980 democracy that that is a disqualifier for being president of the united states i worry that i you

01:10:53.040 know the the the things that the the things that president that vice president harris

01:10:59.800 says she's for seem to be politically driven and not heartfelt for example you know her big promise

01:11:07.720 you know her promise about taxing tips which she took from president trump and it was it was

01:11:14.480 to seem like a last minute you know i'm gonna do this because it's politically savvy her change on

01:11:21.160 the border her failure to explain why she didn't do that before you know all of the inconsistencies

01:11:27.440 in that seem again not heartfelt but politically driven the big signature you know for economic

01:11:34.640 reform that she promised during the convention to give every new business in this country fifty

01:11:40.000 thousand dollar gift okay well you know that's just just laughable um because in in new york there

01:11:47.900 are a thousand new businesses starting a day that would be fifty million a day just for new york

01:11:53.900 businesses and if you gave that money there'd be two thousand three thousand no kidding that would

01:11:58.840 be gained so fast you could hardly imagine it and so you know she's talking about hundreds of billions

01:12:04.480 of dollars a year and where's that money going to come from and then you know her other idea which 0.91

01:12:11.080 is just a half-baked discredited terrible idea about uh price controls oh yeah you know and wage

01:12:19.900 controls every time that's been tried it's been a catastrophe there's no place because no one's ever

01:12:24.440 done it right no it can't be done right and so none of these seem to be well thought out

01:12:31.380 none of them seem to be part of a a coherent and consistent ideology or thought process

01:12:39.280 none of them seem to be common sense and i think so i don't i think that you know she did very well

01:12:47.240 on the debate but anybody can do well on that debate who can anybody who can pass the bar exam

01:12:52.040 which she did is you know doing that debate the bar for her was low too to be fair the bar was low but 1.00

01:12:58.860 you know anybody can do you you can anticipate every question that you're going to be asked or 95

01:13:05.440 percent of them and if you're surrounded by good people they can write you up a good 90 second you

01:13:12.700 know soundbite so she had these 90 second soundbites and she delivered them well but i think your her

01:13:19.960 understanding of issues seems to be an inch deep and a mile wide and that you know what i would really

01:13:27.640 like to see is her going on long form interviews like yes i'd like to see that too right and and

01:13:35.020 and being asked a second question a third question why did you do this explain this how is this

01:13:40.120 consistent what was your evolution just asking the kind of questions that any curious interview

01:13:46.240 would interview would ask and make her explain that and she can't do it and this is somebody who's

01:13:52.780 supposed to be president of the united states they're supposed to be able to go toe to toe

01:13:55.940 with our critics around the world to explain her vision to explain her record to explain her

01:14:03.700 her aspirations for our country it seems like she does not understand the use of the power and we're

01:14:11.040 seeing that you know her support of the ukraine war and of nuclear war you know the the risk of

01:14:17.260 nuclear war i don't think she has any comprehension i i don't think she has on the ability to talk to

01:14:24.640 foreign leaders um i haven't seen any evidence of that and i think that she is susceptible

01:14:31.040 to manipulation because she doesn't have firm ideas about her own of her own i think she's 0.79

01:14:37.640 susceptible to manipulation by the deep state by people who want the war by the neocons that run the

01:14:43.960 white house now and run the foreign policy apparatus at the state department and i think

01:14:50.760 i fear that she'll be manipulated by them and that those entities actually want a nuclear war so like

01:14:56.560 they did in my uncle's time and like they've done for many many years they want a confrontation with

01:15:01.060 russia that will fragment russia and and give us access to its natural resources and eliminate our big 1.00

01:15:07.640 competitor you know in the west and all of their policies have been bad that's a dire that's a dire

01:15:15.740 prognostication that's for sure yeah so that's why i i'm worried about you know her i i'm worried

01:15:22.900 she won't protect our civil rights our constitutional rights at home and she will allow herself america to 1.00

01:15:30.060 be dragged into um really catastrophic wars abroad and i at this point in history i think that's you know

01:15:37.140 we've got the emergence of all these surveillance technologies of ai this time in history if we

01:15:44.920 get a president like that um it will uh for the next four years it may be too late for our country to

01:15:50.760 recover so you you laid out three policy areas where you felt that you could work with with president

01:15:58.940 trump very effectively health speech and peace and we've spent a fair bit of time concentrating on free

01:16:04.700 speech and on peace and war and i think we'll turn to that more the peace and war issue on the daily

01:16:10.460 wire side in in the conclusion of our interview but maybe we could close up if you don't mind with the

01:16:16.200 with some more thoughts on the health crisis because one of the things you've done that i think is

01:16:21.300 unprecedented and that's become perhaps more part of the public discussion since you've teamed up

01:16:27.560 with trump is to make public health a political issue and so you talked about the public health

01:16:33.980 crisis and maybe you could lay out the dimensions of that crisis i mean i know there's an obesity epidemic

01:16:39.100 there's a diabetes epidemic these are very very serious problems and so but you've concentrated

01:16:44.340 on that in a way that just isn't characteristic of anybody on the political landscape at all

01:16:49.220 now it's become an issue that's front and center and so i'd like to hear more about your thoughts

01:16:53.580 why you think that's such a fundamental um uh priority you know compared to say free speech and

01:17:00.780 and war and peace why health and what you see lay out the landscape of the problem and also the

01:17:07.200 landscape of potential solution yeah so we are now the sickest country in the world but we have the

01:17:15.280 highest chronic disease burden in the world when my when my uncle was president i was a you know 10 year old

01:17:21.780 boy um about six percent of americans had chronic illness and today 60 percent too and my uncle was

01:17:30.640 president we spent zero in this country on chronic disease zero and uh today and for many chronic

01:17:42.240 diseases first of all there weren't even diagnoses and there weren't drugs available um today we spend

01:17:48.540 4.3 trillion dollars so about 95 percent of our health budget it's the biggest um and it's five

01:17:56.200 times our military costs it's the biggest um item in our budget and it is the fastest growing

01:18:04.020 and on not only that so it destroy it's destroying our country economically absolutely debilitating and all

01:18:11.940 of our other issues are small towards it if you just measure its economic impact it has other impacts

01:18:20.040 77 percent of american children um are no longer eligible for the military because of chronic disease

01:18:27.540 and is that obesity related with kids what's one of them you know uh obesity when my uncle was

01:18:34.180 president was 3.4 percent today it's 74 percent and what do you think is driving the obesity epidemic

01:18:40.560 uh it's been such a transformation yeah i mean it's being driven by poison food i um you know if i uh

01:18:47.800 process ultra processed wheat sugar and flour seed oils um soy canola sunflower um and then i and then you

01:19:02.560 you know wheat and corn which are you know are um which are all all heavily subsidized so those

01:19:12.220 90 percent of farm subsidies the crop insurance etc go to those three categories of soy coin and wheat

01:19:19.980 and um and those are the feedstocks for all of our processed foods they turn into sugar they're 0.82

01:19:26.880 they're all nutrient barren they you know the original crops were nutrient rich but the gmo crops are

01:19:32.540 nutrient barren and they're heavily dependent on pesticides the point of the way that the reason h gmos are so 1.00

01:19:40.060 popular is because they're resistant to pests the reason they're resistant to pests right right

01:19:45.920 is because they are um they are resistant to pesticides like glyphosate so you can saturate the whole

01:19:55.080 landscape with glyphosate from airplanes and that the only thing that's green is gmo corn which is

01:20:01.580 you know which is uh roundup roundup ready it's called roundup resistance corn and because of that

01:20:09.920 it's also very very heavily laden with with pesticides wheat um glyphosate is also used as a desiccant

01:20:19.500 which means it dries out wheat so it's it's sprayed on the wheat right at harvest which means it's going

01:20:25.000 right into the food and when that began in 1993 that's when you saw all the appearance of all these

01:20:32.260 gluten allergies and celiac disease and wheat allergies that you don't have in europe you know

01:20:38.180 you can eat spaghetti here and you're going to get eczema and all of these stomach complaints then you go to

01:20:44.720 italy and you eat it and you get thin oh but here um and then the corn is turned into high fructose

01:20:53.700 corn syrup which is just a formula for making you obese and diabetic and uh and americans you know

01:21:01.940 diabetes is one of the diseases when i was a kid the average pediatrician saw one case of diabetes in

01:21:09.880 his lifetime so a 40 or 50 year career he may seem one case of juvenile diabetes and today one out of

01:21:16.660 every three kids who walks through his office door is diabetic or pre-diabetic and we spend more

01:21:23.420 on diabetes than our military budget so that is you know and nobody's talking about this yeah right you

01:21:30.480 know and and these are that all of these autoimmune disease diabetes autoimmune disease alzheimer's is

01:21:37.560 a form of diabetes it's type 3 diabetes it comes from poison food oh um so is it is it the is it how

01:21:45.780 much of it do you think is the toxin load per se and how much of it do you think is it's both

01:21:50.660 it's the overload of sugars because all of those grains turn into sucrose and and they're and they're very

01:21:59.140 low in nutrients so we're malnourished and get you know you're seeing high levels of obesity and in

01:22:04.800 the same people people who have high levels of obesity there's also high levels of malnutrition

01:22:09.720 the most malnourished people in this country are the most overweight right because they're eating

01:22:16.180 they're eating food like food food like substances yeah and then that's a good phrase and then you're

01:22:24.520 they're they're covered with with chemicals and pesticides plus some of those are part of the

01:22:29.420 food processing but some of them are pesticides etc there's a thousand ingredients in our food that

01:22:36.240 are illegal in europe and other countries so we're just mass poisoning us and nobody has chronic disease

01:22:41.780 epidemic like we do in our country that's why one of the reasons we had the highest death rate from

01:22:48.040 covid we right right we had 16 of the covid deaths in this country we only have 4.2 percent of the

01:22:53.520 world's population and so we did worse than any other country and the cdc explains that says it's not

01:23:00.900 our fault it's because americans are so sick cdc said the average american who died from covid had

01:23:09.720 3.8 chronic diseases right so it wasn't covid it was killing them it was chronic disease right and uh 0.94

01:23:16.960 and you know we are the sickest we have the highest chronic disease burn we have the highest covid death

01:23:21.620 rate and and then but it's not just it's it's those autoimmune disease like rheumatoid arthritis

01:23:27.920 juvenile diabetes lupus crohn's disease all this ibs all of these things that suddenly appeared in the

01:23:35.640 mid-80s that you know i never knew anybody with any of those diseases when i was a kid yeah right

01:23:40.840 the neurological diseases add adhd speech-related language like tics tourette's syndrome narcolepsy

01:23:47.620 sleep disorders uh tourette's syndrome asd autism autism autism rates

01:23:52.800 in my generation 70 year old men is about one in between one in 1500 and one in 10 000

01:24:01.060 that's what it is today my children's generation is one in every 34 kids according to cdc one in

01:24:09.580 every 22 in california so you know and it is it is devastating our our generation it's our economy

01:24:19.640 it's going to cause autism alone so there's a recent recent paper by mark blacksell that shows it'll cost

01:24:26.020 a trillion dollars a year um by 2030 and then so then then then the uh allergic disease again which i never

01:24:34.240 saw as a kid i had 11 siblings 71st cousins i never knew anybody with a peanut allergy

01:24:42.280 i do five my seven kids have allergies you know it's so you're up against some big

01:24:50.000 some major forces in fighting that particular battle i mean first of all you have to sway public

01:24:56.500 opinion in that direction and then there's going to be a massive force arrayed against any possible

01:25:02.000 interventions that's for sure so what tell tell me what you think you could do and also tell me why

01:25:08.040 you don't think you would be stopped

01:25:09.720 well i think they're going to try to stop us but i've been thinking about this for 40 years

01:25:18.440 so i know how to do it and i and you know i've worked with mark hyman and kelly means and casey

01:25:29.080 means and a lot of other people to figure out how to do it without having to go to congress

01:25:33.520 to do it all with executive orders and policy changes and you know i'll give you one example

01:25:39.160 i mean you can get floor out of the water by executive order out of the water systems all

01:25:45.300 over the country and that is you know that's a big issue with public health and cancer etc

01:25:49.740 but there are other things like it would be very hard you never get congressional approval to ban

01:26:00.840 glyphosate which is causing all kinds of health problems and cancers all over this country and so

01:26:08.240 um but here's what you can do you can nih has a budget of 42 billion dollars a year and it

01:26:17.960 distributes that money to 56 000 scientists who are at research center mainly universities in north

01:26:24.140 america you know canada the united states and and some in europe and they're supposed to be doing basic

01:26:31.340 science but what they really do nowadays is they do drug development for the pharmaceutical industry

01:26:36.800 so nih is now the primary incubator for new pharmaceutical drugs and it changed that that rule that that

01:26:45.080 changed nih used to be the primary scientific agency in the world it it changed that change in 1980

01:26:52.860 because we passed a bill called the by dole act that allowed nih itself and nih scientists to collect

01:27:02.460 royalties on any pharmaceutical product that they developed so now that they followed the money and now

01:27:09.900 what nih does is they're in a partnership with pharma they develop new products to treat chronic disease

01:27:16.480 and um and anybody who tries to study the etiology the origins the causes of chronic disease that

01:27:25.080 scientists will be blackballed forever and so what i'm going to do at you know is change nih and say we're

01:27:33.280 going to we're going to make the primary purpose of this agency to develop science on what's causing

01:27:40.420 chronic disease oh right now there's very little science that says hyphurus corn syrup causes diabetes

01:27:47.940 that's deliberate we don't have that science because the agency does not want to see that science

01:27:54.740 i'm going to make sure that science happens not one study but not just 20 studies but 100 studies

01:28:02.520 that show that now what happens when you have 100 studies there is a a rule in the federal courts in

01:28:10.520 this country called the daubert rule and that says that if you believe you got sickened by a product

01:28:15.680 like say you think coca-cola made you obese you can't sue coca-cola unless there's at least a

01:28:24.600 critical mass of studies maybe 20 or 30 that say that that's what it does it's a liability enhancer

01:28:30.520 well the judge has to make that decision about whether you've passed the daubert threshold before

01:28:38.700 he allows you to go to a jury oh in a big case like when i was uh tried the monsanto case

01:28:45.620 i was part of the trial team um the big threshold is can you pass daubert and we had about 20 studies

01:28:54.940 that showed that uh monsanto that roundup caused non-hodgkin's lymphoma and we had mouse studies

01:29:02.580 we had brat studies we had animal studies bench studies observational studies epidemiological

01:29:08.900 studies so a good range of all different kinds of studies that show that once you get that critical

01:29:14.380 mass and you can go to a jury and once that happens the product is through so when we we sued roundup

01:29:20.300 we had 40 000 home gardeners who had gotten non-hodgkin's lymphoma from using roundup with their

01:29:27.820 backyards and the way that you try multi-district litigation you try one of those cases at a time

01:29:34.600 right and one after the other in rapid fire till somebody says uncle you either lose them all and

01:29:42.120 then you know it's no you you run out of money because it costs a lot of money to try case or you

01:29:47.260 win them all and the the uh the maker of that product then has to come to the negotiating table

01:29:53.240 and and settle it we won 289 million in the first trial we won 89 million in the second

01:30:00.420 the third trial we asked for a billion dollars we got 2.2 billion from the jury

01:30:05.880 and then monsanto came to the negotiating table and we settled the cases for 13 billion and they

01:30:12.800 agreed to take roundup to take uh glyphosate out of home gardening products that's what you do

01:30:21.000 got it you once enough science is out there you don't have to legislate up against high fructose

01:30:27.660 corn syrup the lawyers are going to come out of the woodwork okay and they're going to be

01:30:31.220 representing a million kids with diabetes and the company is going to say we're not going to make

01:30:35.760 this product anymore all right well we should you're on a tight timeline um i'm going to continue

01:30:42.660 this discussion on the daily wire side i think i'm going to drill down more into foreign policy and the

01:30:48.120 state of the world with regards to the what eternal state of warfare that we seem to have drifted into

01:30:53.700 yet again i'd like to talk about israel gaza and about ukraine and russia there's other issues as

01:31:00.080 well so if you're inclined to join us on the daily wire side that's what's going to happen and so

01:31:04.340 um i guess the other thing i'd just like to mention is we're going to see each other again in about

01:31:08.940 two weeks at in dc i believe at the rescue the republic rescue the republic yeah yeah that's been

01:31:14.600 put together by brett weinstein and everybody should come to that that's going to be one of the

01:31:19.160 if you care about the slide of america into censorship surveillance and totalitarianism

01:31:27.400 you want to be at this event because this is going to be like the march on the pentagon back in the

01:31:33.580 60s it's going to be the biggest march ever the biggest event ever protesting the uh uh this this

01:31:41.520 really ugly dissent apocalypse for democracy right right well all right sir thank you very much

01:31:50.120 hopefully the powers that be at youtube will let this interview stand because they took the last one

01:31:55.420 which i wasn't very happy about so uh i hope we didn't trans oh definitely i hope we didn't 1.00

01:32:01.820 transgress against any of the invisible rules but uh we tried to so thank you very much for coming to

01:32:08.120 see me it's much appreciated and uh well good luck with your continued negotiations with trump that's

01:32:14.340 quite the twisting turn of affairs and it's going to be quite something to see how this all plays out

01:32:19.340 in the next 50 days that's for sure so everybody who's watching and listening thank you very much for

01:32:24.180 your time and attention and give some consideration to coming to washington dc on september 29th for

01:32:30.680 this rescue the republic event it should be quite the thing uh quite the celebration that's how

01:32:36.140 weinstein characterized it uh there's music there as well as um speeches from people whose ideas you

01:32:43.820 actually might want to hear so uh that's a once in a generation event so you know make your way there

01:32:49.900 thanks again sir thank you jordan

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The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast - September 26, 2024

484. The Great Partisan Shift ｜ Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

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