The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast - 487. The Islamic Republic of Terror： Hezbollah & Hamas ｜ Naftali Bennett

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00:00:57.420 Hello, everybody.

00:01:09.580 I had the privilege and opportunity today to have a discussion with Naftali Bennett, who was the 13th Prime Minister of Israel.

00:01:19.600 And so, obviously, there's plenty to discuss on that front.

00:01:24.900 And so, we did discuss plenty.

00:01:27.460 We discussed the polarization in Israel and how discussion and then protest regarding the reformation of the judiciary in Israel

00:01:38.580 distracted the population and the state and laid at least some of the groundwork for the October 7th attack.

00:01:46.780 We talked about that attack and its geopolitical causes, concentrating most particularly on Iran and the Islamic Republic of Iran more specifically,

00:02:02.380 focusing on that regime's stated intent to supplant and replace, let's say, eradicate and annihilate the United States and Israel, 0.59

00:02:14.080 which is certainly the kind of statement that would make you assume that you're dealing with a regime that is, to say the least, your sworn enemy.

00:02:22.900 The fact that Iran is responsible in large part for funding the events that led up to, in the narrow and the broader sense,

00:02:32.420 the attack on October 7th and what that might mean for the future,

00:02:36.860 while also maintaining a certain amount of optimism, let's say, on the Muslim-Jewish-Christian peace front,

00:02:45.340 given the establishment and the continuation of the Abraham Accords 0.95

00:02:50.200 and what that means for the future, even after the atrocities of October 7th.

00:02:56.040 So, join us for that.

00:02:59.100 Update yourself and find out what's going on in the Middle East and the world, particularly with regards to Iran.

00:03:05.080 Well, Mr. Bennett, I think we should probably start with the presumption of a fair bit of ignorance

00:03:11.820 on the part of the viewers and listeners and, well, and with regard to me as well.

00:03:16.660 And we'll get you, if you would, to position yourself.

00:03:19.540 Let everybody know who you are, what role you've played in Israel, what role you're playing now.

00:03:24.060 Just set the stage for us personally so that everyone understands who I'm talking to and why.

00:03:29.280 Sure. Well, I had the privilege of serving as Israel's 13th prime minister, years 21-22.

00:03:39.440 Prior to that, I was education minister, minister of economy and defense minister.

00:03:45.580 So, I spent a bit more than a decade in politics.

00:03:49.360 Before that, I had a whole nother life in high tech.

00:03:55.220 I was a startup founder, founded a company, became CEO, a real roller coaster, but ultimately we had success.

00:04:05.560 And then I ran another company, we sold it also.

00:04:09.240 And prior to that, like all Israelis, I served in the military in Israel's top unit.

00:04:16.480 It's called Sayeret Matkal, the guys who did Entebbe and all of that.

00:04:21.340 And I had the privilege of becoming a platoon commander and later a company commander in a special commando unit.

00:04:29.260 So, I spent quite a few years fighting our enemies, primarily Hezbollah in Lebanon. 0.99

00:04:36.160 I grew up in Haifa, a beautiful city in northern Israel.

00:04:41.360 Some people compare it to San Francisco because it's a mountain that sort of goes down into the sea.

00:04:46.640 My mom and dad were born and raised in San Francisco.

00:04:52.080 And they, what's called made Aliyah in Hebrew, when you move to Israel, you ascend, you go up. 0.52

00:04:59.160 The term Aliyah is to go up.

00:05:00.960 So, they made Aliyah in 1967.

00:05:04.620 And they are really my biggest heroes, my dad and mom.

00:05:09.700 And so, where would you position yourself on the, or where are you positioned on the political spectrum in Israeli politics?

00:05:17.760 And would you describe what the political spectrum is in Israel?

00:05:22.020 Because obviously, there's a left-right spectrum or something approximating it.

00:05:25.540 But that doesn't mean that it maps to, you know, isomorphically with what we might expect in the rest of the West.

00:05:32.740 So, flesh out the political landscape there in your position.

00:05:36.020 So, I would talk about two dimensions.

00:05:40.160 On my political beliefs and opinions, I'm right of center.

00:05:44.860 I do not believe in land concessions.

00:05:48.740 I think our enemies want to annihilate us.

00:05:51.160 I think the only way to achieve peace is by being incredibly strong.

00:05:54.960 I'm a free market guy.

00:05:56.720 So, I would be considered a moderate Republican here in America.

00:06:01.100 However, the way I view the political system today, it's less about a battle of opinions and more about a very dangerous group identity politics where opinions almost don't matter.

00:06:22.740 What matters is, are you for your group or is it against your group?

00:06:26.980 We can talk about this later.

00:06:28.380 And in that sense, the government I established was a very unique creature.

00:06:37.280 It was the most diverse government in Israel's history.

00:06:42.300 When I was prime minister, I had left-wing ministers, right-wing ministers and parties.

00:06:47.940 I had secular and religious.

00:06:49.780 I had Jews and Arabs for the first time.

00:06:52.300 Eight different parties.

00:06:53.400 And the government, even my biggest detractors agree it was an effective government in terms of getting stuff done.

00:07:03.260 They were angry at me for lots of stuff because I sort of broke rank from what was before then.

00:07:11.980 Either you're, if you're right, you only fight for the right-wing camp.

00:07:16.340 And you've got to be against the left-wingers.

00:07:19.080 And I do not agree to that anymore.

00:07:22.400 I think while I harbor my opinions and I will fight for them, we have to be able to sit together in broad unity governments by partisan governments.

00:07:34.620 I believe that's the only way forward for Israel because I'll say right now at the start, I think that the number one problem of Israel and challenge for the Jewish state today is the domestic poison and internal hatred between these two camps at levels that we've never seen before.

00:07:58.940 And what are the issues that are dividing them?

00:08:01.840 I mean, we're seeing something like a devolution into group identity politics broadly in the West.

00:08:07.340 And obviously the danger in that, at least one of the dangers, is that it undermines the primary narrative, let's say, or identity that holds everyone together.

00:08:16.020 So that's obviously dangerous if you don't like a descent into chaos.

00:08:20.480 But now I understand the identity politics that characterizes the United States, say in Canada, UK, etc.

00:08:26.880 I'm not exactly clear what the identity fragmentations are, I guess, on the Jewish side, but also between the Jews and the Arabs in Israel.

00:08:36.680 So how exactly is the domestic landscape fractionating as far as you're concerned in Israel?

00:08:41.540 Well, I believe that this is an artificially manufactured grouping for political reasons because there's a lot of benefit in creating camps in politics because you have your base and you eat them up and you get them mad at the other side.

00:08:58.660 But I think it's phony.

00:09:01.500 I think it's not predicated on real big debates because here's the interesting thing.

00:09:07.380 And you asked me about issues.

00:09:09.560 If you actually analyze the big issues that supposedly tear ourselves apart, actually most Israelis agree on them. 0.77

00:09:19.680 It's three areas.

00:09:21.040 It's religion and state.

00:09:22.240 It's the judicial reform and it's the Palestinian issue.

00:09:26.260 OK, so I can tell you in 40 seconds where almost everyone agrees that on religion, Israel is a Jewish state.

00:09:35.000 We want our kids to love our tradition, to love our heritage, our history, to be knowledgeable about it.

00:09:41.100 But we're also against laws that coerce religion.

00:09:46.800 And I'd say 80% of the Israeli Jews agree on that.

00:09:50.620 So this is an artificial battle, which is done for political reasons.

00:09:57.220 On the judicial issue, also here, there's a fairly simple compromise.

00:10:03.020 Basically, what happened over the past 40 years was the judicial system usurped a lot of power from the executive, from the government.

00:10:16.100 But over the past seven years, there's been a very gradual, incremental rebalancing.

00:10:24.280 So we have many more conservative judges who say this is not our business.

00:10:29.740 I love hearing that when a judge says this should not come to the court.

00:10:34.780 This should be a political decision.

00:10:37.760 And so the whole craze about the judicial reform, in my opinion, was mainly about the terrible way the government introduced it.

00:10:51.880 It didn't introduce change in order to improve the lives of our people.

00:10:57.520 Well, it seemed and it articulated vengeance.

00:11:04.060 We're against the other side.

00:11:05.800 We're going to aggravate those lefties. 1.00

00:11:08.140 And again, I'm a right-wing guy, but I don't think that when I'm prime minister or education minister,

00:11:13.660 my goal in life is to get the other side to be terrified or aggravated.

00:11:20.420 I would call it a poke you in the eye attitude.

00:11:24.460 So it's more about that.

00:11:25.640 And even on the Palestinian issue, the de facto argument today almost doesn't exist.

00:11:33.720 And I'll explain.

00:11:34.640 For about 50 years, there's been a big divide where the left supported two-state solution and the right opposed it.

00:11:43.260 The past 20 years, the second intifada, and especially now, post-October 7th,

00:11:51.940 mainstream Israelis do not believe anymore that we should be founding a Palestinian state, certainly not in the near future.

00:11:59.740 So we agree that right now, one way or another, we're not going to allow a Palestinian state. 1.00

00:12:07.940 So why not be together in government and we can defer continuing to argue about it in six to eight years where I'll argue and fight against it.

00:12:17.780 They'll support it.

00:12:18.640 But in the short term, there's no disagreement.

00:12:21.860 So there's no support for a two-state solution now?

00:12:24.140 Nobody.

00:12:24.640 Yeah, I think it would be a total disaster.

00:12:26.780 But there's others who think that I'm wrong, which is fine.

00:12:30.040 We can argue and debate that in between us eight years from now.

00:12:36.460 We don't have to waste our energy right now.

00:12:39.700 So this judicial issue.

00:12:41.800 So my sense is that, I mean, I've seen arguably similar moves in Canada in particular,

00:12:48.680 where the judiciary has increasingly taken on the role of the legislative branch,

00:12:55.780 partly because the legislatures don't like to make complex decisions and then they default to the judiciary,

00:13:01.520 which is not a good thing in the long run because it undermines parliamentary supremacy.

00:13:06.580 So has something analogous to that been going on in Israel?

00:13:10.760 And you said there's been a rebalancing, but that it was handled badly on the messaging side.

00:13:16.820 It became what?

00:13:17.800 What did it become?

00:13:18.620 Become something like a battle between the legislative branch and the judiciary?

00:13:23.680 Yes.

00:13:23.920 Well, you basically articulated it precisely right.

00:13:28.240 As I said, in the past, we had a fairly minimalistic Supreme Court that was very hesitant

00:13:37.460 and not inclined to cancel laws or to override the government.

00:13:45.060 It did it from time to time, but in a very cautious way.

00:13:49.740 What happened beginning the late 80s primarily was the Supreme Court became way more active

00:14:00.340 and gradually began canceling laws and creating its own self-made constitution

00:14:12.120 based on what's called basic laws in Israel, but they went too far.

00:14:17.660 Was that primarily a leftist movement on the judiciary side?

00:14:23.400 I would say so.

00:14:24.340 I would say, yeah, yeah.

00:14:26.780 Now, in many cases, you said it so right.

00:14:30.300 In many cases, it was a result of government not being courageous enough to solve some

00:14:37.240 or to figure out some very fundamental issues like the draft law of ultra-Orthodox.

00:14:45.880 So when the politicians are not courageous enough, they throw it to the Supreme Court

00:14:52.180 and then they attack the Supreme Court for getting involved in what they couldn't solve.

00:14:57.320 Now, there was already a gradual process of rebalancing.

00:15:02.340 It was happening prior to this craze of the past couple of years.

00:15:07.300 So things were on track to gradually get better.

00:15:11.320 I remember as minister, you know what?

00:15:13.520 As prime minister, I cannot recall one event where I wanted to get something done

00:15:20.780 and I knew how I'm going to do it and the legal folks stopped me.

00:15:26.260 I do remember as minister, there was one or two cases that it really got me angry

00:15:31.020 and I thought the judicial system is too aggressive, but it was on track.

00:15:37.840 And then the government came and as I said, they talked about a revolution.

00:15:42.200 They said we're fed up with those lefties. 0.99

00:15:44.920 And it's funny because I'm a right-wing guy, but what they came to do was to punish the other side,

00:15:54.260 to terrify the other side.

00:15:56.080 And guess what?

00:15:57.280 They succeeded.

00:15:58.460 The other side, which is lots of very decent people, about half of the country that, you know,

00:16:04.100 serve in the military, risk their lives, pay taxes, hardworking people,

00:16:08.400 much of the middle class in Israel, the secular middle class, they indeed got terrified.

00:16:14.220 They felt subjectively that there's a government that wants to punish them

00:16:18.840 and no one should feel that their government hates them.

00:16:22.540 And that created a rebound effect of these huge protests and refusal to serve in reserve,

00:16:31.420 which is a terrible thing, right?

00:16:32.920 Because we need our army.

00:16:35.460 And what happened essentially year 2023 was a horrible year prior to October 7th.

00:16:42.060 The whole country went crazy in this internal war.

00:16:47.680 We got distracted from our enemies.

00:16:50.920 Our enemies saw that we're killing ourselves from within.

00:16:55.600 They saw our national immune system is getting weaker and weaker.

00:16:59.620 And they waited and bam!

00:17:01.680 So you think that was associated with that internal strike?

00:17:04.800 Absolutely.

00:17:05.680 Absolutely.

00:17:06.060 They could have done this attack two years ago, four years ago, 10 years ago, 12 years ago.

00:17:11.340 We know from intelligence, from hard intelligence, that they were following this.

00:17:16.300 And you know what their biggest mistake was?

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00:18:29.460 We were doing a great job tearing ourselves apart.

00:18:33.600 Right.

00:18:33.860 That attack, a horrendous attack, stopped the craze.

00:18:40.360 And now we have another opportunity to get our act together, and we have to seize this opportunity.

00:18:47.120 So let's talk about, well, first of all, I'd ask you just for a definition, because there'll

00:18:53.080 be lots of people who don't know this.

00:18:55.420 The second intifada.

00:18:56.960 Tell us about intifada and exactly what it means.

00:19:01.400 The intifada, the second intifada started in, I believe, October of 2000, where, just as

00:19:10.140 we have background, beginning 1993 all the way to 2000, Israel engaged in the Oslo Accords,

00:19:17.300 a labor-led government led by Yitzhak Rabin, the prime minister that was thereafter assassinated.

00:19:24.560 They believed that we need to reach a compromise with the Palestinians and ultimately believed

00:19:32.660 in the two-state solution.

00:19:34.820 At that time, I was a soldier.

00:19:36.720 I opposed it, but I could understand the other side.

00:19:41.460 I can understand that they had a theory that if we hand over land, they'll fulfill, the Palestinians 1.00

00:19:48.480 will fulfill their national aspirations and will live side-by-side by peace.

00:19:54.020 And a slim majority of Israelis support that.

00:19:58.640 Hence, what happened was already in the 90s, as we handed more land over to the Palestinians, 0.99

00:20:07.620 it started in the labor government, then Netanyahu continued and handed, I believe, about 13%

00:20:13.680 of Judea and Samaria, aka the West Bank, to the Palestinians, we began seeing more and more terror 0.96

00:20:21.900 from the very areas we vacated.

00:20:24.780 What happened in the Oslo Accords, though, was the Palestinians formed an entity, a government,

00:20:32.700 called the Palestinian Authority.

00:20:34.480 And a big tract of Judea and Samaria, of the controversial territories, was handed to them,

00:20:44.540 almost half, and they govern it to this day.

00:20:48.160 What happened in October 2000, there was a violent uprise and war against Israel that started,

00:20:57.540 and it manifested itself in daily suicide attacks that, where Palestinians came in,

00:21:06.220 usually with an explosive vest, entered a bus in Tel Aviv or Jerusalem, blew themselves up,

00:21:14.160 killing a dozen Israelis almost every day.

00:21:16.940 It was horrible.

00:21:18.580 It was a terrible period.

00:21:19.920 And I had been living in Manhattan, running my company, but the R&D center was in Israel,

00:21:27.300 it was back and forth.

00:21:28.840 And finally, we had enough.

00:21:31.340 And in March of 2002, we went forward with Operation Defensive Shield, and we recaptured

00:21:40.160 those territories militarily.

00:21:45.140 And to this day, the way it runs is they govern themselves on the civilian aspect.

00:21:54.200 So they have their own government.

00:21:56.100 They had elections.

00:21:57.520 It's a democratic government, though they only had elections once.

00:22:02.800 They pay their own taxes.

00:22:04.600 They have their own anthem, their own parliament, what have you.

00:22:08.440 But the overall security responsibility is Israel's.

00:22:13.500 And that's why we don't have this sort of terror stemming from the PA that we saw from Gaza.

00:22:21.680 Okay.

00:22:22.560 Okay.

00:22:22.960 So let me switch a bit to, I'm going to ask you a complicated question.

00:22:29.580 I want to lay out, if you don't mind, how the situation in Israel looks to me.

00:22:35.440 Not that that's particularly important, but it'll give you a chance to restructure the

00:22:40.240 story, if necessary.

00:22:41.800 I want to tell you how it looks to me from the outside.

00:22:44.080 And I've been trying to sort this out very carefully in my imagination, too, so that I

00:22:50.160 can have a clear head about the circumstances in the Middle East.

00:22:55.940 Okay.

00:22:56.100 So I'm going to start with the Abraham Accords, and they're very striking to me because I saw 0.95

00:23:05.500 a number of, the first thing they indicate is that there are profound divisions within

00:23:11.580 the Arab world with regard to Israel and how Israel should be treated and dealt with.

00:23:18.560 And the Abraham Accords formalized an agreement with a number of Arab states that Israel should

00:23:25.020 be regarded as a valuable trading partner.

00:23:29.060 Now, the reason for that, as far as I'm concerned, is threefold.

00:23:34.640 The previous approach wasn't working.

00:23:37.220 Israel's proved itself to be an economic powerhouse.

00:23:39.960 It's starting to, it's like a second Silicon Valley in many ways.

00:23:46.320 There are extreme economic advantages to partnering with Israel, trading with Israel, learning from

00:23:53.340 the Israeli experience.

00:23:54.460 And then Israel is also a formidable military powerhouse.

00:24:00.040 And so the combination of those three things was sufficient, along with some alteration in

00:24:06.200 the stance on the more forward-looking Arab side, to make agreements of peace with Israel

00:24:12.500 a reality.

00:24:13.520 And we saw that happen in the Abraham Accords. 0.85

00:24:15.860 Now, my sense is the Abraham Accords are viewed with something you might describe as extreme

00:24:22.380 skepticism and horror, even by the Iranians, most fundamentally, because they don't want to 1.00

00:24:29.300 see that.

00:24:30.020 They're sworn enemies of the United States.

00:24:32.220 They're sworn enemies of Israel. 0.74

00:24:33.620 They're sworn enemies of many of the Arab states that signed the Abraham Accords.

00:24:38.240 They are seriously not happy about this.

00:24:40.380 And they'll do anything to undermine and destroy it, along with Israel and the United States. 0.86

00:24:46.340 And so, okay, so then let's think about that in relationship to Palestine.

00:24:50.820 So you're putting forward something approximating a two-state solution.

00:24:54.680 That's been a solution that's been proffered in the past.

00:24:57.180 But the problem with a two-state solution is it's predicated on the idea that the parties

00:25:02.400 involved in establishing the states want states and they want peace.

00:25:06.360 And my sense of it is that Iran would sacrifice every single Palestinian in a heartbeat if they 0.98

00:25:11.980 could do serious damage to Israel and the United States in doing so.

00:25:15.260 And Iran continually funds the agitators in, let's say, Hamas and Hezbollah, for example,

00:25:22.920 to do nothing but cause Israel in the United States problems.

00:25:25.860 And they don't give a damn in any way, shape, or form about the Palestinians.

00:25:29.420 That's exactly right.

00:25:29.920 And so I don't understand at all, first of all, how the Israelis can negotiate with the 1.00

00:25:34.480 Palestinians, with the Iranians lurking behind them, doing nothing but to cause, causing 1.00

00:25:39.400 trouble and funding at every possible opportunity, every way of breaking down any possibility of

00:25:45.020 peace.

00:25:45.340 Because what do they care whether the Palestinians make peace with the Israelis? 0.96

00:25:49.380 That's just annoying to them from a foreign policy perspective.

00:25:52.180 So I don't see any victory, I don't see any potential for solving that problem as long

00:25:58.480 as Iran is pulling the strings behind the scenes.

00:26:02.800 It's in their best interest, given their stated foreign policy objectives, to keep the Palestinians 1.00

00:26:09.420 and the Israelis at each other's throats for as long as possible. 0.94

00:26:13.180 And if that does in the Palestinian people, oh well. 0.95

00:26:17.840 You know, collateral damage in the bigger game.

00:26:20.440 So, and then, okay, so I want to add it.

00:26:24.820 Now, so uninformed people in the West might be thinking that by standing with the poor

00:26:31.640 oppressed Palestinians, they're, what would you say, they're showing their solidarity with

00:26:38.420 the oppressed people of the world.

00:26:40.080 Right.

00:26:40.240 And, but they're, they're certainly not allied with the mainstream of peace loving Arabs around

00:26:47.120 the world, peace loving Muslims, as far as I'm concerned.

00:26:49.700 And they're crawling into bed with a state that's hated, not least by its own people. 0.87

00:26:55.700 Like it's a brutal, awful, terrible state.

00:26:58.400 And it wants to destroy the United States and Israel. 0.98

00:27:02.420 And so all the protesters on American campuses who are hypothetically supporting the poor,

00:27:08.660 oppressed, victimized Palestinians.

00:27:10.440 And I know there's plenty of complex things to say about that are really acting as proxy

00:27:16.100 agents for Iran.

00:27:17.200 And the command he came out on X, Twitter, not very many months ago and basically said

00:27:22.980 exactly that, congratulating the American protesters, for example, for supporting his agenda.

00:27:29.700 Right.

00:27:29.980 I mean, it was, it was mind boggling.

00:27:31.760 It didn't seem to slow down the protests at all.

00:27:34.920 Okay.

00:27:35.140 So the first question for having laid that out is like, is there anything that I'm missing

00:27:40.940 with regards to the, the positioning of Iran in relationship to Israel in the United States?

00:27:48.080 I think you've hit the nail on its head.

00:27:51.300 About a decade ago, I came up with a strategy against Iran and I called it the octopus, terror 1.00

00:28:01.840 octopus or octopus strategy.

00:28:03.500 The first thing was to understand what's going on and then you can build a strategy.

00:28:09.420 What's going on in the Middle East is about 70% of the problems in the entire Middle East 0.99

00:28:15.620 stem from the Islamic Republic of Iran. 0.92

00:28:19.980 I would view it, it's a very radical regime, by the way, also incompetent and corrupt, a bit

00:28:28.340 similar to the Soviet Union of the 80s.

00:28:31.600 But what it does, it exports its ideology and terror with its arms all across the Middle 1.00

00:28:39.120 East.

00:28:40.220 Every country it touches, it ultimately destroys.

00:28:44.600 It's like the anti-Midas touch.

00:28:46.480 Look at Lebanon, look at Syria, look at Iraq.

00:28:48.740 It's like it, Yemen. 0.99

00:28:50.640 So in all these places, it builds a local proxy, sometimes based on Shiites that live there,

00:28:59.200 but not always.

00:29:00.040 For example, Hamas is a Sunni organization.

00:29:03.240 It has, it empowers them, it funds them, it provides them weapons, it trains them.

00:29:11.120 And ultimately, it also commands them to generate terror, not only against Israel generally, but 0.76

00:29:19.860 also against Israel.

00:29:21.100 Now, if, and I'll say straight at this point, we need to topple the Iranian regime. 0.84

00:29:29.440 That's what we need to do.

00:29:32.060 And it will fall.

00:29:34.220 The mistake that Israel has made for the past 30 years, and I was a soldier, I was fighting 0.81

00:29:40.140 Hezbollah, which is essentially the fingertip of one of its tentacles. 0.99

00:29:44.800 And the mistake was that we have expended and exhausted ourselves fighting those fingertips 1.00

00:29:53.080 of the octopus, and instead of directing our energy to topple the goddamn head of the 0.99

00:29:59.420 octopus. 0.99

00:30:00.920 And what I did as prime minister, I gradually, I wanted to not have wars on our borders, because

00:30:08.580 that's playing to their strategy, and redirected our efforts to the head of the octopus.

00:30:13.940 Israel has done a lot of work throughout the years on the nuclear dimension, but my point 0.96

00:30:20.820 was, it's not only about nuclear.

00:30:22.240 Let's topple the regime.

00:30:23.340 Now, how do you do it?

00:30:24.840 I'm not talking about all-out war.

00:30:28.040 I look at the Cold War as a very good, you know, case analogy, and ultimately, the Soviet 0.83

00:30:39.020 Union fell without war.

00:30:40.940 America never bombed.

00:30:41.760 You know what I did when I became prime minister?

00:30:45.400 I, the first month of my, on my job, I dedicated to deep study of Iran, its society, its economy,

00:30:52.760 and what America did in the 80s to accelerate the toppling of the Soviet Union.

00:30:58.580 It turns out America did a lot.

00:31:00.340 Reagan's America empowered oppositions in Eastern Europe.

00:31:04.980 Why can't we do that?

00:31:05.980 It strengthened the enemies of the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, Mujahideen, etc.

00:31:13.300 Later, it had unintended consequences.

00:31:15.620 But my point is that we need America and Israel and the West to apply tremendous diplomatic economic

00:31:24.200 pressures and covert, overt, cyber, lots of stuff to accelerate the demise of Iran. 0.95

00:31:31.540 This regime will fall because it's much weaker than we think.

00:31:35.540 So, to continue the octopus.

00:31:37.800 And what sort of support do you think the Iranian government has in Iran itself?

00:31:43.560 I mean, my sense is...

00:31:44.460 Very little.

00:31:45.060 It's despised by its people.

00:31:46.920 I'm saying this as a fact.

00:31:48.280 In fact, it has all the plagues of this sort of regime. 0.94

00:31:55.900 The children of the leaders are all corrupt, you know, driving in their cars, Lamborghinis,

00:32:02.620 whatever, while the people in many areas of Iran don't even have good tap water. 0.89

00:32:08.480 Right.

00:32:08.920 And it could be a very rich country.

00:32:10.680 It is.

00:32:10.920 And it was doing quite well in the 70s on that regard.

00:32:13.260 Yeah, and so I believe that this regime will topple, will fall either, but it could be in

00:32:20.940 50 years or it could be in five years.

00:32:23.360 And what I did when I met the Biden administration and the folks there outlined a bunch of about

00:32:32.460 30 different vectors of action that we can take, soft action, and sort of divided the

00:32:40.020 job between us and them.

00:32:41.220 There's some areas that we could...

00:32:42.660 I'll give you an example.

00:32:43.760 Every time there's protests there, you know what the first thing the regime does?

00:32:47.520 It turns off the internet.

00:32:48.920 So you can't communicate.

00:32:50.600 Why don't we ensure that the internet's on with technologies like Starlink, etc.?

00:32:56.120 There's lots of stuff, easy stuff, cheap stuff that we can do to accelerate the toppling.

00:33:03.040 All we need to do is help the Iranian people, which are a great people.

00:33:07.060 And unfortunately, my successor discontinued this policy, but I think it's time to go for

00:33:15.120 the head.

00:33:15.200 And so what sort of, what do you see happening in the West, in the United States, with the

00:33:20.600 rest of the Western countries with regard to their stance contra Iran?

00:33:26.820 And I'd like to hear about what you think is being done that's actually effective and also

00:33:31.460 what you think is being done that isn't effective or counterproductive.

00:33:35.700 By and large, they're not doing enough.

00:33:38.160 And everything I described, there's a bunch of moderate Arab states, Saudis, Emirates, Bahrain,

00:33:48.640 Egypt, let's say Jordan.

00:33:52.280 There's lots of subtleties here, but I would just say all of them hate radical Islam. 1.00

00:33:58.600 Hate radical Islam in one of two strands, either the Shiite strand, which is Iran, or 0.92

00:34:04.180 the Sunni strand, which is the Muslim Brotherhood.

00:34:06.480 And they can't always voice this publicly, but they need Israel to lead the way.

00:34:13.020 They need, their biggest dream is for Israel to step up to the plate.

00:34:18.640 And step up to the plate, and what, in relationship to radical Islam?

00:34:22.320 Fight radical Islam, weaken it, choke the money. 1.00

00:34:27.400 There's so much that we can do with great ROI.

00:34:30.420 I mean, it's not the most complicated stuff that we're not doing.

00:34:33.460 I mean, America is perceived in the region, and I'm not going to talk about one side or

00:34:40.100 another, as unstable and sort of doesn't see things through.

00:34:47.600 So, you know, you might be there today, but you're out tomorrow.

00:34:51.260 And in this sense, Israel is there. 0.75

00:34:55.380 We're here to stay.

00:34:56.800 We didn't choose our neighborhood, but we're stuck in the neighborhood, and we're a reliable

00:35:00.880 partner.

00:35:02.140 Granted, October 7th, we took a hit on our credibility because it should not have happened.

00:35:07.860 But I think we're in the process of strengthening again.

00:35:13.160 And, you know, stuff that's happened over the past month or so that seemed pretty clever.

00:35:20.360 That's the sort of thing that we've got to be doing.

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00:36:58.620 So, let's talk about radical Islam for a minute, and maybe we can use that as an entry

00:37:09.280 point into discussing the relationship between religion and politics more broadly.

00:37:14.540 Yes.

00:37:15.060 Because I would really like to do that.

00:37:16.700 So, the first issue is, it's interesting to me that there are a variety of forward-looking

00:37:24.640 leaders in the Muslim world who, for example, have been pushing forward the Abraham Accords,

00:37:31.100 normalization of relations with Israel, but even more importantly, the establishment of

00:37:35.640 truly productive relations.

00:37:36.900 So, it's obviously that within the broader confines of the Islamic world, the possibility

00:37:43.980 for peace and productive peace exists.

00:37:47.480 Absolutely.

00:37:48.020 Okay.

00:37:48.500 Okay.

00:37:48.780 So, now then the next issue, I'm trying to work this out in the West in general.

00:37:54.640 So, you know, there's always a percentage of truly bad actors in any population.

00:38:00.160 Yes.

00:38:00.320 So, the psychological data indicates that the prevalence of pure psychopathy in the population

00:38:08.000 is, to be conservative, let's say 3%.

00:38:11.020 So, those are seriously bad actors, and we want to say a few things about the psychopathic

00:38:16.360 types, okay?

00:38:17.040 So, they're Machiavellian.

00:38:18.440 They only use their language to manipulate for their own benefit, right? 0.99

00:38:21.980 They're parasitic predators. 1.00

00:38:24.320 That makes them psychopathic. 1.00

00:38:27.560 They're narcissistic, which means they want undeserved attention and will do anything to 0.85

00:38:31.800 get it.

00:38:32.640 And, to top it all off, because that's not enough, they have strong proclivity towards

00:38:37.160 sadism, which is positive delight in the unnecessary suffering of others.

00:38:41.520 Okay.

00:38:42.100 So, these are bad actors.

00:38:43.420 Now, the question is, how do they operate?

00:38:46.440 And we actually know the answer to that.

00:38:48.320 They like to hide behind a mask of victimization, because that's very effective.

00:38:53.220 So, the psychopathic types are always claiming that they're the victims and that there are

00:38:59.040 people they can identify as oppressors, and the moral thing is to stand with them.

00:39:03.320 But the other thing they do is hijack the political agenda on both sides.

00:39:08.460 So, for example, the psychopaths will use compassion to manipulate the left, and they'll use free

00:39:13.540 speech issues to manipulate the right.

00:39:16.460 But they don't care, because they're not political at all.

00:39:19.940 What they are is out for themselves 100%.

00:39:22.460 And then, what even makes the situation more dire is that the psychological literature indicating

00:39:30.020 that the psychopathic types can be rehabilitated is dismal, to say the least.

00:39:35.420 They can't.

00:39:35.940 It's no.

00:39:36.980 That's good to know.

00:39:37.520 No is the simple answer.

00:39:39.380 And again, I'm speaking of, I'm speaking, let's say, of the 1% of criminals who are responsible

00:39:45.020 for 65% of the crimes.

00:39:46.800 It's not corrigible.

00:39:48.520 Okay.

00:39:48.920 Okay.

00:39:49.200 Now, you know, a person who deviates from the path of law and order and makes a mistake

00:39:53.340 once, that's a whole different issue.

00:39:55.160 But I don't think that this is the explanation to what's going on in the Islamic world. 0.91

00:40:03.940 Because while there are psychopaths, like Saddam Hussein was a psychopath, definitely, and Yahya 0.97

00:40:11.880 Sinwar was a psychopath. 0.97

00:40:13.800 I'm not sure other radical Islam leaders are necessarily psychopaths. 0.94

00:40:19.520 I think they truly believe that the world needs to act according to Sharia law. 0.96

00:40:27.220 Well, this is what I'm trying to untangle.

00:40:30.660 It's like, it's such a difficult thing because you have, on the one hand, the obvious fact

00:40:34.840 that there's much movement in the Islamic world to establish peace with Israel and to

00:40:40.520 move their populations forward in a productive manner.

00:40:43.720 But then you have this core and separating out the religious claims from the manipulation

00:40:50.140 of the religious claims by the self-interested psychopaths.

00:40:53.520 That's a very difficult thing to manage.

00:40:55.860 I think what undermines this case is the numbers.

00:41:02.920 I think, look, I don't have the data regarding what percentage of Muslims support radical Islam.

00:41:12.280 I'm not saying they engage in terrorism, but they support.

00:41:16.020 My hunch is a fairly high percentage.

00:41:18.460 And we can't just attribute it to...

00:41:22.680 Are they better?

00:41:23.580 Okay, I'm going to push back slightly because...

00:41:26.140 No, no, fine.

00:41:26.840 Well, I'm wondering, you know, is that also because it's easier for the psychopathic self-interested

00:41:32.580 manipulators to manipulate a comparatively undereducated population and to get away with their claims

00:41:38.340 that really what they're doing is abiding by the doctrines of the one true religion?

00:41:42.320 Right.

00:41:42.680 You know, because when you're dealing with a population whose fundamental ideational structure

00:41:49.180 is encapsulated within a single religious viewpoint, it's a lot easier for the bad actors to manipulate that.

00:41:54.800 So they definitely use this, first of all, to deflect all their incompetence.

00:42:04.900 Yes, yes, definitely.

00:42:06.200 But that doesn't mean you're a psychopath. 0.98

00:42:08.420 It just means, you know, you're a cynical person. 0.93

00:42:12.700 You want to continue governing.

00:42:14.160 I've seen lots of people do that.

00:42:17.380 And I think that...

00:42:19.120 I'll tell you what I think about how we need to go about fighting radical Islam. 1.00

00:42:26.240 And this is something that evolved.

00:42:28.340 I think, especially in the case of Gaza, everyone asks me, but Hamas is an ideology and you can't kill an ideology.

00:42:34.960 That's half true.

00:42:38.640 I agree that there's no point in trying to persuade people, don't be radical, don't be Hamas supporters.

00:42:45.120 Hamas enjoys a great popular support in the Palestinian population, about two-thirds.

00:42:55.720 But there is a way to get them away from Hamas by defeating Hamas. 0.79

00:43:00.380 I'll give you an analogy.

00:43:01.600 Had we, you probably know way better than me, let's say a hypothesis.

00:43:08.640 Had we done a poll in Nazi Germany in December of 1944, right?

00:43:14.380 Everyone knew where it's going.

00:43:16.600 My belief, I have no basis for this, is that a vast majority of Germans still supported the Nazi ideology.

00:43:23.240 It's likely, very likely, yeah.

00:43:25.180 Now, within several years after the war, we had a new Germany. 0.95

00:43:29.920 What happened was, there was a step before persuading their hearts and minds that Nazism is bad. 0.57

00:43:38.700 There was something way more important, that Nazism is gone. 0.77

00:43:42.040 So, first defeat Hamas, first defeat the Nazis, and so it's no longer a matter of whether it's good or bad. 0.84

00:43:50.860 It's gone.

00:43:52.180 It's gone. 1.00

00:43:52.740 We killed them. 1.00

00:43:53.440 They're done. 1.00

00:43:54.460 Now, get on with life.

00:43:55.660 And only then, I think, I'm asking you actually, psychologically can the individual open his mind to hear other arguments.

00:44:02.860 Well, I think there is.

00:44:03.860 Well, first of all, we hope so.

00:44:04.980 And that's what I think that we need to do.

00:44:07.240 We need to defeat Hamas and then begin changing the hearts and minds. 0.93

00:44:12.780 Well, I think the historical precedents that you outlined are the correct ones.

00:44:18.160 The same thing happened in Japan.

00:44:20.200 And very rapidly, right?

00:44:21.400 Very rapidly.

00:44:21.680 And very thoroughly.

00:44:23.240 I mean, Japan went from that war-like state that it was to a very peaceful and productive society overnight.

00:44:29.600 Well, and you can say exactly the same thing about Germany.

00:44:31.800 Germany, yeah.

00:44:32.340 You know, and thank God for that.

00:44:34.180 All right, so there's good historical precedent.

00:44:36.780 Yes.

00:44:37.040 Whether that's the relevant case, that's a different issue.

00:44:40.560 But it's not unreasonable.

00:44:42.180 It happened.

00:44:44.160 We have no success in sustainable Arab democracies. 1.00

00:44:52.540 It's just a fact.

00:44:53.920 You know, you look, none of the countries in the Middle East, even the stable ones, are democracies.

00:45:00.340 And it gets you thinking that maybe we're trying to implement something to square a circle.

00:45:09.240 And maybe there needs to be some sort of hybrid.

00:45:13.420 I'll give you an example.

00:45:15.160 One of the great leaders today, I believe, is Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed of the Emirates.

00:45:21.400 He's a remarkable guy.

00:45:23.360 And are the Emirates a full-blown democracy?

00:45:26.780 No, they aren't.

00:45:27.440 But is he doing good?

00:45:30.140 Is the vector a good one?

00:45:32.940 Absolutely.

00:45:34.220 And so we have to be creative about these sort of things.

00:45:38.320 Not impose our values and structures where it won't necessarily succeed.

00:45:44.520 Well, we don't.

00:45:45.740 This gets us farther down the religious rabbit hole, too.

00:45:49.000 We don't know what the grounds for democracy are.

00:45:53.160 You know, democracy emerged in its modern form as an offshoot of Judeo-Christian culture.

00:46:00.860 And I think you can make a strong case that, and I've felt this particularly from studying the thinkers of the Scottish Enlightenment, is that once the presumptions of Judeo-Christian morality are axiomatic, it's possible to erect a democracy that's functional and stable.

00:46:19.480 That's very interesting.

00:46:21.440 There are preconditions for liberal individualism.

00:46:24.860 And one of the preconditions is that your society is basically peaceful and everybody trusts one another.

00:46:29.980 Right?

00:46:30.180 And then, well, now you can all go out there and be individual and liberal and vary in your creative ways.

00:46:37.120 And that'll work.

00:46:37.780 Look, it isn't fluke, obviously, that there aren't functional democracies in the Arab world.

00:46:43.960 Now, why there aren't functional democracies are a hard thing to pull off.

00:46:47.600 And there's many places in the world that don't have them.

00:46:49.380 Functional democracies are hard in America and in Israel as well.

00:46:52.720 Yes, exactly.

00:46:53.560 Exactly.

00:46:54.000 And they've had a hard time really getting themselves going in South America, for example.

00:46:58.600 Like the one, countries that were settled by England tend to have functional democracies.

00:47:03.020 And countries that were settled by any other country, France, Spain, Portugal.

00:47:07.780 And Israel is a remarkable miracle in that sense.

00:47:12.020 Because the Jews had been in exile in the diaspora for 2,000 years.

00:47:17.620 They didn't have, you know, we were organized in small communities, not as a nation.

00:47:23.620 And to have these folks come from all around the world back to our homeland and form a stable democracy, it in itself is a miracle.

00:47:32.500 That's for sure.

00:47:33.180 But, you know, when you think about it, it makes sense because Judaism, as it evolved in the diaspora, and previously in the two previous states we had in Israel, was a very democratic and open for debate society.

00:47:54.520 Let me tell you something.

00:47:54.960 Open for debate.

00:47:55.940 Yeah.

00:47:56.640 Debate is at the core of Judaism. 0.89

00:47:59.380 You know, when you have the Orthodox Jews study Talmud, Talmud, essentially, people don't know what I'm going to, about this. 1.00

00:48:09.860 Talmud is sort of the law code of Judaism.

00:48:15.260 But the Talmud's not about the bottom line.

00:48:17.860 It's not a set, it's not a book of rules.

00:48:19.920 It's a very, you can fill a library with it.

00:48:23.500 What it is, it's debates between rabbis.

00:48:26.040 They debate the most arcane, strange topics, but no one cares about the bottom line.

00:48:33.400 You learn to debate.

00:48:35.280 It's a very intellectually challenging thing.

00:48:39.200 It's like a combination of mathematics and logic.

00:48:44.300 But it's all about debate.

00:48:46.820 And then 400 years later, rabbis in Europe continued, or in North Africa, continued the debate.

00:48:53.220 It's layers of debate.

00:48:54.980 And the method of study in Judaism is also unique.

00:48:59.160 It's called Hevruta.

00:49:01.800 Here's how they taught Jews for millennia.

00:49:05.460 Two guys sit one next to another and learn together and debate.

00:49:10.360 That's what they do.

00:49:11.420 You don't sit, the structure was not a teacher in a classroom.

00:49:15.340 And we've been doing this for thousands of years.

00:49:18.260 And I believe, by the way, that's part of the secret of the startup nation,

00:49:22.920 is that we're such a debating people.

00:49:26.300 And at its best, it brings you innovations.

00:49:28.840 I remember in my startup company, we were yelling at each other the whole time.

00:49:32.860 Anyone who came into my company heard screaming between the VP, R&D, but it was positive.

00:49:41.260 At its worst, it can tear apart societies when the debate is not for the right reasons.

00:49:48.020 Yeah, well, so that means upward-oriented debate.

00:49:51.520 Well, it seems to me that that implies that maybe one of the things that the Jewish state

00:50:01.320 and Christian or Judeo-Christian democracies have in common

00:50:05.700 is something like a conceptualization or an embodiment of the logos, right?

00:50:11.040 The idea that the way that you make progress forward is through thought,

00:50:16.960 and that's mediated by speech, and that speech has to be free and can be intense.

00:50:22.640 Yes.

00:50:22.800 And so...

00:50:23.520 Think about that.

00:50:24.260 The most respected person in the community for those 2,000 years was the rabbi.

00:50:31.940 And the rabbi was typically the smartest guy.

00:50:34.440 He was best at studying Talmud.

00:50:36.680 That's how the most famous rabbis, like Maimonides, who was also a physician.

00:50:43.160 And first and foremost, they were the best at study.

00:50:48.320 And by the way, they also got the best...

00:50:51.180 Their children got the best marriages of usually the most wealthy,

00:50:55.520 and that created a very positive cycle, a genetic cycle,

00:51:00.300 which made for very smart folks all across the Jewish world.

00:51:06.320 The good thing is that rabbis get married and have kids. 1.00

00:51:09.720 Priests do not.

00:51:10.980 And so you take a really smart guy, but then he doesn't have descendants.

00:51:16.560 Yeah, that's a problem.

00:51:18.180 Yeah, yeah.

00:51:18.500 By the way, in Israel today, Israel is the only Western country in the world

00:51:23.060 with positive demographic growth.

00:51:25.400 Right, right.

00:51:25.680 That's a remarkable thing, too.

00:51:27.140 It is.

00:51:27.720 I wonder why.

00:51:28.580 Why do you think...

00:51:29.140 I don't know.

00:51:30.140 You don't know, right?

00:51:30.640 I don't know.

00:51:31.440 You know, I have all kinds of ideas.

00:51:33.300 By the way, people think it's only because of the ultra-Orthodox,

00:51:36.260 because they do have a lot of kids.

00:51:38.200 But even if you carve them out, the secular are also net positive. 0.52

00:51:43.260 You need 2.1 to retain a population.

00:51:46.500 We're at about 2.3 with the secular, and all in all, at three kids per family.

00:51:53.480 I don't know exactly why.

00:51:55.200 Yeah, well, that's a real mystery.

00:51:56.560 I mean, it seems to indicate something, you know, it's a wild hypothesis,

00:52:00.460 that there's a certain degree of existential threat

00:52:04.640 that might optimally facilitate the desire to have children, right?

00:52:09.560 I agree.

00:52:11.020 I think that's part of it.

00:52:13.060 You can be more cavalier, I suppose, about life in general.

00:52:16.500 Like, one of the things I noticed about being in Jerusalem,

00:52:19.200 I've been there a couple of times, is the intensity of life.

00:52:22.200 It's an unbelievably intense place.

00:52:23.960 Jerusalem is intense, yeah.

00:52:25.220 And people, you know, in some ways, people are conducting themselves

00:52:29.980 as if tomorrow is uncertain.

00:52:32.200 Now they're wealthy and they have opportunity,

00:52:34.020 but tomorrow is still uncertain.

00:52:35.640 And I wonder if, you know, Hemingway said at one point

00:52:39.240 that every generation needed a war to sort out what was important,

00:52:42.380 and sufficient existential threat might play that role of focusing.

00:52:46.300 You're on to a very salient point, because October 7th shook us.

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00:54:16.860 I grew up, I was born in 72, a year before Yom Kippur War,

00:54:20.660 which was sort of the last time that we thought existentially

00:54:24.080 that we were at a threat.

00:54:26.860 So I cannot remember it.

00:54:29.140 And my childhood in Mount Carmel in Haifa was very similar,

00:54:34.360 by the way, to the mountains over here.

00:54:36.160 It was a very standard and regular Western childhood.

00:54:43.560 And my whole generation grew up taking Israel for granted.

00:54:46.860 We did not feel that there's any existential threat.

00:54:50.640 October 7th shook that complacency.

00:54:57.040 We now understand it again.

00:54:59.380 What's evolved from October 7th, by the way.

00:55:02.760 This is a fascinating insight that not many people are aware of.

00:55:06.760 On October 7th, basically there's two stories.

00:55:09.460 One is a massive institutional failure of the state of Israel

00:55:13.560 on our most fundamental objective,

00:55:16.440 which is to protect Jews from pogroms,

00:55:18.940 from a long massacre and Jews being helpless.

00:55:23.180 You know, we've always had terror, but a terror attack usually wraps itself up

00:55:27.620 within five seconds to five minutes.

00:55:29.780 It's done.

00:55:30.860 This was different.

00:55:32.400 So it was a huge failure of intelligence, of operations,

00:55:36.200 and the government melted down for the month subsequent.

00:55:41.340 So that's the bad news.

00:55:42.660 But the amazing news is that we discovered

00:55:47.840 that the younger generation of Israel,

00:55:51.080 boys and girls, let's say from 18 to 40,

00:55:55.480 are incredibly strong, tough, courageous,

00:56:00.860 willing to sacrifice their lives.

00:56:03.860 Let me illustrate this.

00:56:06.060 On that morning of Sabbath, October 7th,

00:56:09.160 as the news percolated,

00:56:11.240 thousands of Israelis, boys and girls,

00:56:14.560 got in their cars, civilians,

00:56:16.960 and drove down to the Gaza area

00:56:19.460 to fight and defend people they've never met,

00:56:23.460 their brothers and sisters that they've never met.

00:56:25.820 Many of them lost their lives while doing it.

00:56:29.400 And that is the supreme level of courage.

00:56:33.760 And, you know, I was in Manhattan on September 11th.

00:56:39.020 That's where my headquarters were.

00:56:40.780 I remember the buildings on fire.

00:56:42.800 And there was a river of people running away to the north

00:56:45.580 or walking very quickly to the north.

00:56:47.740 Only the firefighters went south, which is okay.

00:56:50.800 People move from harm's way.

00:56:54.140 But this younger generation on October 7th

00:56:57.860 just went and fought sometimes with their bare hands,

00:57:02.300 sometimes with a pistol, against machine guns.

00:57:05.880 And these boys and girls are the toughest we've had.

00:57:11.460 And, you know, when I compare them to boys and girls

00:57:14.240 of their age, let's say 21-year-olds,

00:57:17.120 let's say here in America, I do a lot of universities,

00:57:19.440 and I see the nonsense that they're being fed with

00:57:24.000 or the way they're being developed versus our kids.

00:57:27.500 Because it's not that I would choose this.

00:57:30.260 It's a horrible thing to have to fight wars.

00:57:32.940 But we are developing, I coined the term,

00:57:36.160 a nation of lions, a courageous younger generation,

00:57:40.500 tough, resilient, being embedded with values of work ethics,

00:57:48.660 working as a team, dedicating yourself,

00:57:50.720 spending 10 months fighting terrorists.

00:57:53.040 And then I see what kids hear, you know,

00:57:58.040 they need the right pronoun, otherwise they're triggered,

00:58:01.100 and they need a safe space and microaggressions

00:58:03.660 and all this nonsense, which builds very feeble people. 0.62

00:58:09.820 Because I have a newsflash, the world out there is a tough world,

00:58:14.660 and you need strong kids.

00:58:16.320 And the reason I'm so optimistic about the next 50 years of Israel, 1.00

00:58:21.680 this is our finest generation.

00:58:24.120 You remember, American GIs came back from Europe,

00:58:27.820 and they carried America for its best 50 years,

00:58:31.540 from 45 to, let's say, 2000.

00:58:34.580 These boys and girls, including my own son and daughter,

00:58:37.920 my oldest son, Yoni,

00:58:39.640 he's now joined the army in a combat unit,

00:58:42.940 but he was still a civilian this year.

00:58:45.180 You know what he did the entire year?

00:58:46.960 He volunteered with children of evacuees

00:58:50.520 and went to do farming because we didn't have hands to do it.

00:58:55.220 My daughter was volunteering in farming.

00:58:57.840 But they're typical, they're not unique.

00:59:00.380 And I'm so darn proud of them.

00:59:02.340 And I know that that year of farming or fighting

00:59:06.180 is developing them so much more than any university.

00:59:10.360 So by the time they're going to enter the civilian world after army,

00:59:16.460 we are manufacturing these super men and women 0.98

00:59:20.240 who are going to carry Israel forward,

00:59:22.960 innovation, self-reliance, responsibility.

00:59:26.420 They're going to be amazing.

00:59:27.520 We don't know how much that kind of a heroic commitment to the future

00:59:33.700 has to be inculcated or developed in young men and young women 0.64

00:59:37.700 so that they'll take up the responsibility, for example,

00:59:40.520 any responsibility for that matter,

00:59:42.180 but certainly the responsibility of having a family.

00:59:45.300 And so I guess part of the problem possibly with being wealthy and secure

00:59:49.820 is that you could always,

00:59:51.140 it always appears as though you can put things off.

00:59:54.260 Yes.

00:59:54.520 Right. You can always wait another day.

00:59:56.280 You don't realize that you're...

00:59:57.760 Yeah, well, tick-tock, man. Life's short.

01:00:00.120 Yes.

01:00:00.460 And you miss things a lot faster than you think.

01:00:03.140 And so, you know, like I've calculated, for example,

01:00:05.380 and I think this is about right,

01:00:06.620 that the typical person is lucky with regard to,

01:00:09.800 so we know, for example,

01:00:11.120 that half of women in the West now will be childless at 30

01:00:15.180 and half of them will never have a child, right?

01:00:17.100 That's the 90% of them, peers, will regret it.

01:00:20.740 That's one in four.

01:00:21.620 So it's one in two at 30 who don't have a partner or a child.

01:00:24.960 This is going to be...

01:00:25.400 This is already...

01:00:26.500 You know, I came back from South Korea last week.

01:00:29.280 Yeah.

01:00:30.360 They're at 0.8.

01:00:31.400 Yeah, yeah.

01:00:31.900 They're not having kids.

01:00:33.100 And you're going to have one kid

01:00:34.420 who's going to have to support four grandparents.

01:00:36.140 Yeah, yeah.

01:00:36.640 It's crazy.

01:00:38.240 Not sustainable.

01:00:38.840 Well, and I was thinking about establishing a relationship.

01:00:42.440 You know, you're a fortunate person indeed

01:00:44.560 if you get to try out five people in your lifetime.

01:00:48.540 Like, you know, people don't understand

01:00:51.480 how constrained the choice realm is

01:00:54.360 even for people who are highly successful.

01:00:56.320 Like, you could easily be,

01:00:58.000 I imagine it's probably one in five people

01:01:00.100 who don't have five people to choose from.

01:01:03.280 You know, in the course of...

01:01:04.640 As a mate.

01:01:05.100 Yeah, yeah.

01:01:05.600 In terms of sequential relationships.

01:01:07.200 Yeah, yeah.

01:01:07.280 Like dating.

01:01:08.080 Well, you imagine it takes...

01:01:11.060 What?

01:01:12.400 If the person's a stranger,

01:01:14.700 it takes a year to sort of assess them,

01:01:17.440 something like that.

01:01:18.180 Really?

01:01:18.660 Well, I mean...

01:01:19.560 Is that...

01:01:20.320 Well, that's the question.

01:01:21.520 Like, how long does it take you

01:01:22.920 to reasonably assess someone romantically

01:01:25.740 and practically as a long-term partner?

01:01:28.240 You know, it's going to be something

01:01:29.180 between six months and a year.

01:01:30.860 Because not that I'm...

01:01:32.120 I'm not espousing this,

01:01:33.560 but the ultra-Orthodox Jews...

01:01:35.680 Yeah.

01:01:36.400 ...they don't have any of this.

01:01:39.740 They have set marriages.

01:01:41.420 They have an opportunity to meet three, four times,

01:01:45.920 but that's about it.

01:01:47.240 And then they get married

01:01:48.100 and do it with very low divorce rates. 0.97

01:01:50.860 You know, I cannot attest

01:01:52.300 whether they're happy, they're unhappy.

01:01:54.040 I've got no idea.

01:01:55.620 But it's very interesting.

01:01:58.060 It gets you thinking.

01:01:59.380 Yeah, well, definitely.

01:02:00.560 And it...

01:02:01.100 Well, it's a complicated problem to solve.

01:02:03.160 And so you're lucky

01:02:04.700 if you have five kicks at the can.

01:02:06.400 And that's completely independent

01:02:09.960 of the question of whether alternative forms

01:02:13.340 of marital arrangement are more appropriate.

01:02:16.000 Lots of cultures have used them.

01:02:17.380 And I don't think there's any evidence at all

01:02:19.100 that those people are necessarily more unhappy

01:02:21.560 or that the relationships are less stable, right?

01:02:25.480 I think people in those relationships

01:02:27.400 probably assume that they're going to have to do some work

01:02:30.180 on an ongoing basis

01:02:31.680 to make it work right from the beginning.

01:02:33.320 But my point is more that

01:02:35.960 it's easy to overestimate

01:02:37.780 the amount of time you have to do anything.

01:02:40.020 Like the window to have children is relatively short.

01:02:42.460 The window to get married is very short.

01:02:44.900 And the advantage of a certain degree

01:02:46.740 of existential threat is it brings that home.

01:02:49.360 It does.

01:02:50.160 And so...

01:02:50.920 You know what?

01:02:52.000 Continuing that point,

01:02:53.640 there's now a very positive wave

01:02:57.220 of young men and women,

01:02:59.960 the most talented that...

01:03:02.420 I get phone calls almost every day

01:03:04.380 of amazing people

01:03:05.620 that would have gone to the private sector.

01:03:08.120 And now they say,

01:03:09.240 you know, we need to save Israel. 0.53

01:03:11.280 And we're going to get this influx 0.98

01:03:13.740 of the most talented people

01:03:15.520 because this was not the case.

01:03:16.860 In Israel, by and large,

01:03:18.520 for the past several decades,

01:03:20.460 very, you know,

01:03:21.860 the best of the best went to high tech.

01:03:23.460 And now we're going to get some of them

01:03:26.920 or even successful entrepreneurs

01:03:30.000 entering politics.

01:03:31.920 I'm fairly rare.

01:03:33.240 I think I'm the only...

01:03:35.300 Certainly the only prime minister

01:03:36.920 who was the CEO of a company,

01:03:38.460 but founder in politics.

01:03:40.680 I'm one of the very few

01:03:41.820 that came from high tech

01:03:43.600 and founded a company,

01:03:45.300 ran two companies,

01:03:46.920 knows business.

01:03:49.020 And we're going to get this

01:03:50.340 best and brightest

01:03:51.880 into Israel's public sector.

01:03:53.840 And that's why I'm incredibly optimistic,

01:03:56.920 except barring the one issue

01:03:58.840 which I talked about,

01:03:59.780 which is the domestic wars.

01:04:02.640 If, you know, I believe...

01:04:04.700 The polarization.

01:04:05.440 The polarization.

01:04:06.600 I think Lincoln said,

01:04:07.900 a house divided cannot stand.

01:04:09.660 And that is true with the Jews, 1.00

01:04:12.840 especially true with the Jews.

01:04:14.600 Do you know, Jordan,

01:04:16.360 the current state of Israel

01:04:17.820 is the third instance

01:04:19.300 we have a sovereign Jewish state

01:04:21.880 in the land of Israel.

01:04:23.080 We had it twice before,

01:04:24.300 what's called first temple.

01:04:25.720 That was King David and Solomon.

01:04:27.760 Then several hundred years later,

01:04:30.120 the second temple

01:04:31.060 for several hundred years.

01:04:34.180 But what people don't realize

01:04:35.980 that in our first commonwealth,

01:04:39.540 in second one,

01:04:40.720 we were united and sovereign

01:04:43.980 only for about 80 years.

01:04:47.940 David's grandchild,

01:04:49.560 Rehoboam, Solomon's son, 0.66

01:04:51.760 he screwed up 0.91

01:04:52.560 and the kingdom of Israel

01:04:54.960 divided into Judea,

01:04:57.420 two tribes,

01:04:58.380 and Israel, ten tribes.

01:05:00.160 And they never got together again.

01:05:02.520 And subsequently,

01:05:03.560 the Assyrians conquered Israel, 0.69

01:05:06.540 those ten tribes,

01:05:07.520 and we lost them.

01:05:09.220 We lost 80% of the Jewish people.

01:05:10.920 And all Jews today 0.96

01:05:13.780 are descendants of Judea.

01:05:15.480 That's why we're called Jews.

01:05:17.480 So it was because of an internal divide

01:05:20.400 that we lost our sovereignty.

01:05:22.600 Fast forward to our second commonwealth.

01:05:25.580 Also, it went on as a sovereign state

01:05:28.020 only 75 years.

01:05:30.000 The Hashmanites, 0.68

01:05:31.340 Judah the Maccabee, etc.

01:05:33.540 Their great-grandchildren,

01:05:35.100 there were two brothers

01:05:35.880 who fought each other

01:05:36.920 in year 76 of the kingdom.

01:05:39.760 I think we're talking about 80 B.C.

01:05:42.460 And it was Jews 0.93

01:05:44.020 who invited the Romans 0.98

01:05:46.540 into Judea back then. 1.00

01:05:48.740 We were so stupid 1.00

01:05:50.360 because we couldn't get along. 1.00

01:05:52.400 And now Israel's in its eighth decade. 0.56

01:05:55.560 And this time,

01:05:56.380 we have to get it right

01:05:57.200 because, you know,

01:05:58.420 the most important thing

01:05:59.480 is the eternity

01:06:01.040 of the state of Israel.

01:06:02.580 But my point is,

01:06:03.700 what killed us twice before

01:06:05.020 was domestic divide,

01:06:07.120 internal division,

01:06:07.980 not external enemies.

01:06:11.140 So I want to return

01:06:12.580 to the issue of,

01:06:15.280 there's two issues you brought up

01:06:16.500 that I'd like to discuss,

01:06:17.480 if that's okay.

01:06:19.040 Everyone outside of Israel 0.82

01:06:20.680 and obviously many people

01:06:22.020 within Israel

01:06:22.680 are wondering,

01:06:23.800 how did the events

01:06:26.120 of October 7th come about?

01:06:27.440 Now, we already outlined

01:06:28.940 the structure

01:06:30.420 of Israel's external enemies.

01:06:33.640 You have Iran, 1.00

01:06:34.400 you have them in kouts

01:06:35.260 with Hamas,

01:06:35.920 there's all sorts

01:06:36.480 of bad players there,

01:06:37.440 so they're just looking

01:06:38.120 for an opportunity.

01:06:39.260 You said the internal division

01:06:40.800 that was obvious in Israel.

01:06:42.720 A massive distraction.

01:06:44.280 You know,

01:06:44.920 if our enemies

01:06:46.040 could choose one wish,

01:06:49.380 it would be

01:06:50.140 year 2023,

01:06:52.680 the internal divide.

01:06:53.680 Like, if you were a genie

01:06:55.520 and you came to Khamenei

01:06:57.040 and said,

01:06:57.480 what do you pray for?

01:06:59.180 He would say that...

01:07:01.080 That there's internal division.

01:07:02.580 Those eight or nine,

01:07:04.060 ten months,

01:07:04.900 ten terrible months

01:07:05.800 of division

01:07:06.400 where we're killing each other.

01:07:08.720 So that's his best wish.

01:07:10.280 Right, right.

01:07:10.960 And as I said,

01:07:12.380 had they not attacked,

01:07:13.720 I don't know

01:07:14.120 what would have been

01:07:15.100 left of our country

01:07:15.920 because we were

01:07:16.440 killing ourselves.

01:07:17.260 and it seemed 0.99

01:07:20.340 almost insolvable,

01:07:22.540 unsolvable.

01:07:23.440 And so,

01:07:24.660 I would call it

01:07:26.200 weapon of mass distraction.

01:07:28.140 Right, right.

01:07:29.200 Is what happened.

01:07:30.860 We don't need,

01:07:31.660 you know,

01:07:31.880 there's tons of Iranian bots 0.82

01:07:33.440 that are fomenting

01:07:34.380 and Russian bots,

01:07:36.100 but we're doing

01:07:37.200 a good enough job 0.98

01:07:37.980 killing ourselves, 1.00

01:07:39.100 even without the Iranians 1.00

01:07:40.480 and the Russians.

01:07:40.980 And we Israelis

01:07:41.960 have to tackle this

01:07:43.360 and solve it.

01:07:44.460 Right.

01:07:44.600 And the only way,

01:07:46.020 in my opinion,

01:07:46.700 is unity governments,

01:07:49.260 left and right,

01:07:50.400 bipartisan

01:07:51.180 for the next decade.

01:07:53.240 Mm-hmm.

01:07:53.820 Mm-hmm.

01:07:54.180 To bring the warring sides together.

01:07:55.800 Yeah,

01:07:55.960 because you're in the ten,

01:07:57.800 you know.

01:07:58.260 Right,

01:07:58.460 well,

01:07:58.640 you are anyways,

01:07:59.680 right?

01:07:59.960 You're stuck with each other anyways,

01:08:01.300 regardless of how divided you are.

01:08:02.880 Well,

01:08:03.000 the same thing is the case

01:08:04.000 in the United States

01:08:04.840 with the 50-50 divide

01:08:06.240 between Republicans

01:08:07.060 and the Democrats.

01:08:07.600 what you've seen

01:08:08.920 over the past

01:08:09.580 30,

01:08:10.600 40 years,

01:08:11.280 you know that

01:08:11.700 those famous polls

01:08:12.740 that would you have

01:08:14.100 your child marry 0.93

01:08:15.200 someone

01:08:16.160 who's Democratic

01:08:17.160 if you're a Republican

01:08:18.260 and the huge divide

01:08:20.420 which happened in America

01:08:22.200 and that sort of thing

01:08:23.980 might happen in Israel

01:08:25.920 if we,

01:08:26.940 that's where it gets terrible

01:08:28.300 because it's fine

01:08:29.220 to have different policies,

01:08:31.100 but I won't marry someone

01:08:33.020 who,

01:08:33.780 you know,

01:08:34.640 whose parents hold

01:08:35.720 a different political opinion

01:08:36.820 because it's not about opinions.

01:08:38.880 It's about tribalism

01:08:40.580 in the negative sense.

01:08:44.280 Today marks

01:08:45.320 a solemn anniversary.

01:08:46.880 One year since

01:08:47.560 a devastating attack

01:08:48.540 that shook Israel 0.94

01:08:49.300 to its core,

01:08:50.200 claiming 1,200 lives

01:08:51.660 and leaving 250

01:08:52.920 taken hostage.

01:08:54.160 It was the most tragic day

01:08:55.700 for the Jewish people

01:08:56.540 since the Holocaust,

01:08:57.980 a moment that will forever

01:08:59.140 be etched

01:08:59.640 in our collective memory.

01:09:01.060 But the story continues.

01:09:02.440 The war in Israel

01:09:03.160 rages on

01:09:03.860 with tensions

01:09:04.520 escalating to new heights.

01:09:06.420 Just this month,

01:09:07.140 Iran unleashed a barrage 1.00

01:09:08.500 of nearly 200 ballistic missiles

01:09:10.200 at the Holy Land.

01:09:11.500 Israel stands besieged,

01:09:13.020 facing threats

01:09:13.740 from all sides.

01:09:15.240 In these harrowing times,

01:09:16.660 the International Fellowship

01:09:17.740 of Christians and Jews

01:09:18.880 stands as a beacon of hope.

01:09:20.860 They're on the ground

01:09:21.660 providing vital support,

01:09:23.340 food,

01:09:23.860 shelter,

01:09:24.320 and safety

01:09:24.900 to those caught

01:09:25.840 in the crossfire

01:09:26.680 of this crisis.

01:09:28.240 Since the war started,

01:09:29.460 thousands of reservists,

01:09:30.980 everyday Israeli citizens,

01:09:32.280 have left their families

01:09:33.300 to serve their country.

01:09:35.080 Soldiers have been injured

01:09:36.140 and their families

01:09:37.000 need support.

01:09:38.300 This is where you come in.

01:09:40.080 Your gift of $45

01:09:41.080 can make a world of difference.

01:09:43.220 It helps the Fellowship

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01:10:01.720 So, one of the things

01:10:06.540 that's very mysterious

01:10:07.460 to outsiders,

01:10:08.460 and as I said,

01:10:09.560 likely Israelis themselves,

01:10:10.880 is like,

01:10:11.600 how do you account

01:10:13.040 in a non-finger-pointing way,

01:10:15.880 let's say,

01:10:16.800 for this

01:10:18.860 apparent

01:10:19.940 massive security failure?

01:10:21.440 Like,

01:10:21.680 when I look at that,

01:10:22.520 I think

01:10:22.920 I'm trying to put myself

01:10:26.040 in the position

01:10:26.640 of the security people,

01:10:27.600 and I know,

01:10:28.460 you know,

01:10:28.700 a tiny bit about security,

01:10:30.200 having to be concerned

01:10:31.040 about it from time to time,

01:10:32.740 it's a lot harder

01:10:34.680 to keep things secure

01:10:35.820 than it looks.

01:10:36.820 Yes.

01:10:37.320 There's lots of points

01:10:38.360 of attack and entry,

01:10:39.520 and unless your state

01:10:40.680 is totalitarian

01:10:41.580 to the extreme

01:10:42.280 and you're watching

01:10:42.940 everyone for every second,

01:10:45.060 God only knows

01:10:45.880 what your enemies

01:10:46.580 are going to get up to.

01:10:47.440 Well, I think

01:10:48.220 there's a couple of things.

01:10:50.900 So, we talked about,

01:10:51.820 one,

01:10:52.180 the fact that we weakened

01:10:53.260 ourselves

01:10:53.740 and distracted ourselves.

01:10:54.900 I mean,

01:10:55.520 quite literally,

01:10:56.480 we were focusing

01:10:57.900 not on our enemies,

01:10:58.960 but on ourselves.

01:11:00.500 And by the way,

01:11:01.500 Right, so fragmented attention.

01:11:03.000 And think of,

01:11:04.940 when you have

01:11:05.560 very talented

01:11:06.380 and smart people

01:11:07.360 using their energy

01:11:09.280 to kill each other, 0.97

01:11:10.520 they'll do a good job at it 1.00

01:11:11.680 because Israelis

01:11:12.640 tend to be

01:11:13.360 very talented and smart.

01:11:15.200 So,

01:11:15.800 if you direct it inward, 0.99

01:11:17.120 you'll kill yourself. 0.95

01:11:17.900 That's definitely, 0.99

01:11:19.340 you know,

01:11:19.500 I think

01:11:20.120 this would not have happened

01:11:21.900 if we didn't have

01:11:23.040 that horrible year

01:11:23.960 of 2023.

01:11:25.240 I also would say,

01:11:26.500 that this is

01:11:29.580 sort of a rule

01:11:30.640 in history

01:11:31.240 of mental rigidity

01:11:33.440 of leaderships,

01:11:36.220 sort of

01:11:36.720 what happens

01:11:37.920 in terms of intelligence.

01:11:41.100 Think

01:11:41.680 Stalin-Barbarossa.

01:11:43.600 Stalin-Barbarossa,

01:11:45.100 you had the

01:11:45.720 German army

01:11:46.800 amass

01:11:47.740 hundreds of thousands,

01:11:49.660 I believe even millions

01:11:50.540 of soldiers

01:11:51.040 on the border

01:11:51.820 with the Soviet Union.

01:11:53.580 you had all the information

01:11:55.480 there,

01:11:56.280 but

01:11:56.680 there was a concept

01:11:58.320 and a worldview

01:11:59.360 that

01:11:59.760 he was convinced

01:12:01.520 that there's going to be

01:12:02.400 peace with Hitler 0.96

01:12:03.360 and he didn't let

01:12:04.880 the facts confuse him.

01:12:06.440 To some extent

01:12:07.200 that happened here.

01:12:09.740 We

01:12:10.260 looked

01:12:12.160 down

01:12:12.800 at Hamas.

01:12:13.600 Hamas was sort of

01:12:14.400 the weak

01:12:15.700 little brother

01:12:17.300 the government

01:12:19.640 had erected

01:12:20.640 this big wall

01:12:22.760 and fence

01:12:23.740 with all these

01:12:24.880 gadgets

01:12:25.300 and technology

01:12:26.120 and it was

01:12:26.940 a sense

01:12:27.880 that it cannot

01:12:28.460 be penetrated

01:12:29.340 and then

01:12:30.900 when the facts

01:12:31.880 began coming,

01:12:34.380 I think

01:12:35.000 there was

01:12:35.340 a not good

01:12:36.920 environment

01:12:37.420 in the intelligence

01:12:38.280 system

01:12:39.900 that did not

01:12:41.440 foster dissent.

01:12:42.700 the best

01:12:44.580 things happen

01:12:45.280 when

01:12:45.720 anyone

01:12:46.640 can speak up

01:12:47.620 and

01:12:48.260 at the end

01:12:49.160 a military

01:12:50.700 organization

01:12:51.200 is not

01:12:51.780 democratic

01:12:52.260 and

01:12:53.300 somehow

01:12:54.460 we know

01:12:55.200 now

01:12:55.440 that some

01:12:55.900 people

01:12:56.220 had

01:12:56.660 thought

01:12:58.020 that there

01:12:58.440 would be

01:12:58.980 attack

01:12:59.260 but they

01:12:59.580 were

01:12:59.940 silenced.

01:13:01.020 It's a

01:13:01.620 terrible

01:13:01.920 thing.

01:13:03.440 What I

01:13:04.040 try to do

01:13:04.600 in any

01:13:05.220 organization

01:13:05.780 I run

01:13:06.240 whether it's

01:13:06.880 a high-tech

01:13:08.100 company

01:13:08.520 or

01:13:08.860 a platoon

01:13:10.240 or

01:13:10.780 Ministry

01:13:11.620 of Education

01:13:12.960 or Prime

01:13:13.480 Minister

01:13:13.800 I have

01:13:15.060 a habit

01:13:15.580 of trying

01:13:16.340 to bypass

01:13:17.080 the whole

01:13:18.040 hierarchies

01:13:19.180 and talk

01:13:19.940 to the

01:13:20.420 end people

01:13:21.060 almost on

01:13:23.220 a random

01:13:23.680 basis.

01:13:25.060 I give

01:13:25.540 out my

01:13:25.900 cell phone

01:13:26.400 number

01:13:26.720 so I

01:13:27.560 can hear

01:13:28.080 what's

01:13:28.340 going on

01:13:28.900 but

01:13:29.560 its

01:13:30.120 hierarchies

01:13:31.240 are very

01:13:31.860 dangerous

01:13:32.380 in that

01:13:32.840 sense.

01:13:34.220 So you

01:13:34.800 think there

01:13:35.180 is some

01:13:35.500 stultification

01:13:36.380 within you?

01:13:37.140 Yes.

01:13:37.520 Because

01:13:37.780 you have

01:13:39.020 a distraction

01:13:39.840 some

01:13:40.400 presumption

01:13:41.160 some

01:13:41.700 stultification

01:13:43.140 of

01:13:43.500 okay

01:13:43.900 so now

01:13:44.820 let's

01:13:45.240 turn to

01:13:45.720 this issue

01:13:46.340 of

01:13:46.640 the

01:13:47.220 defeat

01:13:47.460 of

01:13:47.620 Hamas 0.96

01:13:47.980 you

01:13:48.220 talked

01:13:48.800 about

01:13:49.060 your

01:13:49.260 optimism

01:13:49.760 with

01:13:50.000 regards

01:13:50.420 to

01:13:50.820 the

01:13:51.960 restructuring

01:13:52.880 the potential

01:13:54.280 restructuring

01:13:55.000 of the

01:13:55.400 attitude

01:13:55.740 of

01:13:56.100 people

01:13:57.080 in

01:13:57.320 Gaza

01:13:57.660 if

01:13:58.520 the

01:13:58.800 Hamas 0.96

01:13:59.300 enterprise

01:14:00.240 was

01:14:00.740 taken

01:14:02.080 out.

01:14:02.640 I want

01:14:03.120 to qualify

01:14:03.560 that.

01:14:04.040 I'm not

01:14:04.440 sure.

01:14:05.040 Yeah okay

01:14:05.500 fine

01:14:05.820 fine

01:14:06.240 I can

01:14:07.080 talk about

01:14:07.620 abilities

01:14:08.140 I can't

01:14:08.660 talk about

01:14:09.040 motivations

01:14:09.620 I don't

01:14:10.660 presume

01:14:11.200 that we

01:14:13.460 have the

01:14:14.100 abilities to

01:14:15.040 drastically

01:14:16.420 influence

01:14:17.340 motivation

01:14:19.260 what we

01:14:19.740 can do

01:14:20.260 is set

01:14:21.660 up a

01:14:22.360 civil

01:14:23.420 entity

01:14:23.880 there

01:14:24.280 governed

01:14:25.420 by a

01:14:26.640 combination

01:14:27.040 of Egypt

01:14:27.700 local

01:14:28.580 competent

01:14:29.100 folks from

01:14:29.800 Gaza

01:14:30.240 Saudis 1.00

01:14:31.500 Emirates 0.94

01:14:32.040 and stop

01:14:34.000 immediately

01:14:34.340 stop the

01:14:35.340 incitement in

01:14:36.140 the mosques

01:14:36.760 in the

01:14:37.480 media

01:14:37.800 and in

01:14:38.660 the

01:14:38.940 schools

01:14:39.400 if we

01:14:40.680 do that

01:14:41.160 it might

01:14:41.940 succeed

01:14:42.400 it might

01:14:42.840 not

01:14:43.040 I don't

01:14:43.940 know

01:14:44.200 right

01:14:44.520 and that

01:14:45.060 incitement

01:14:45.680 what proportion

01:14:46.700 of that

01:14:47.100 do you

01:14:47.380 think

01:14:47.600 is

01:14:47.900 I know

01:14:48.860 you don't

01:14:49.260 have an

01:14:49.600 exact

01:14:50.100 number

01:14:50.420 but

01:14:50.660 what's

01:14:51.240 your

01:14:51.380 sense

01:14:51.840 of the

01:14:52.420 degree

01:14:53.100 to which

01:14:53.460 that

01:14:53.680 incitement

01:14:54.180 is

01:14:54.420 continually

01:14:54.920 fomented

01:14:55.500 by Iranian

01:14:56.580 actors

01:14:57.060 for example

01:14:57.660 funded

01:14:58.160 at least

01:14:58.760 and

01:14:59.000 well

01:14:59.800 it's

01:15:00.260 in

01:15:00.640 Gaza

01:15:01.220 it's

01:15:01.660 a

01:15:02.080 mix

01:15:02.660 between

01:15:03.420 the

01:15:04.800 Iranian

01:15:05.440 Iran

01:15:06.060 and

01:15:08.400 the

01:15:08.860 Muslim

01:15:09.140 Brotherhood

01:15:09.720 Muslim

01:15:11.140 Brotherhood

01:15:11.580 is a

01:15:11.900 fairly

01:15:12.240 effective

01:15:13.360 movement

01:15:15.960 you know

01:15:17.360 Turkey

01:15:18.120 it governs

01:15:19.620 Turkey

01:15:19.980 and Erdogan

01:15:20.880 who's

01:15:21.260 a real

01:15:22.400 bad guy

01:15:23.040 and

01:15:24.540 in Egypt

01:15:25.680 there's a

01:15:26.280 lot of

01:15:26.700 grassroots

01:15:28.240 support

01:15:29.300 for Muslim

01:15:29.920 Brotherhood

01:15:30.500 tell us

01:15:31.140 about the

01:15:31.540 Muslim

01:15:31.800 Brotherhood

01:15:32.280 we talked

01:15:32.760 about Iran

01:15:33.260 a little

01:15:33.540 bit

01:15:33.800 inform us

01:15:35.140 a little

01:15:35.400 bit

01:15:35.580 about

01:15:35.780 the

01:15:35.960 Muslim

01:15:36.180 Brotherhood

01:15:36.620 and

01:15:36.820 what

01:15:37.300 it

01:15:37.980 constitutes

01:15:38.500 its origins

01:15:39.360 and so

01:15:39.780 forth

01:15:40.100 so

01:15:40.540 I believe

01:15:42.820 it started

01:15:43.440 fairly early

01:15:45.100 in the

01:15:45.800 previous

01:15:46.100 century

01:15:46.700 and

01:15:48.280 the idea

01:15:49.000 is

01:15:49.500 to

01:15:50.020 radicalize

01:15:52.740 the people

01:15:53.540 and ultimately

01:15:54.320 to govern

01:15:55.100 by Sharia

01:15:55.800 law

01:15:56.060 by religion

01:15:56.760 precisely

01:15:58.680 so it's an

01:15:59.460 independent

01:15:59.920 variant of

01:16:00.640 the same

01:16:01.140 ethos

01:16:02.740 that

01:16:03.000 possesses

01:16:04.400 the

01:16:04.580 Islamic

01:16:04.980 Republic

01:16:06.500 of Iran

01:16:06.920 though

01:16:07.440 Muslim

01:16:08.760 Brotherhood

01:16:09.320 is

01:16:09.780 Sunni

01:16:10.400 and

01:16:11.180 Sunni

01:16:11.800 whereas

01:16:12.400 Iran

01:16:13.400 is

01:16:13.680 Shiite 0.93

01:16:14.740 so it's

01:16:15.880 a different

01:16:16.420 strand

01:16:16.920 of Islam

01:16:17.520 Muslim

01:16:19.400 Brotherhood

01:16:19.900 does a lot

01:16:20.300 of social

01:16:20.940 activities

01:16:21.580 in order

01:16:22.220 to garner

01:16:22.860 popular

01:16:24.280 support

01:16:24.860 and

01:16:25.360 it's a

01:16:26.220 fairly

01:16:26.500 simple

01:16:26.980 ideology

01:16:27.520 in that

01:16:27.940 sense

01:16:28.320 and they

01:16:29.280 have

01:16:29.600 branches

01:16:31.340 everywhere

01:16:32.960 okay

01:16:33.860 so let's

01:16:34.520 talk about

01:16:35.460 the military

01:16:36.880 and sociological

01:16:38.780 aims of

01:16:39.740 Israel

01:16:40.220 post October

01:16:41.240 7th

01:16:41.840 so

01:16:42.060 first of all

01:16:44.500 I guess

01:16:44.880 I would

01:16:45.240 here's a bunch

01:16:46.460 of questions

01:16:46.980 how effective

01:16:47.660 has Israel's 0.84

01:16:48.540 military campaign

01:16:49.500 been

01:16:49.800 what do you

01:16:51.520 say to

01:16:52.080 people

01:16:52.500 I mean

01:16:53.200 there's

01:16:53.440 constant

01:16:54.040 agitation

01:16:55.020 with regards

01:16:55.980 to the

01:16:56.380 genocide

01:16:56.800 that Israel

01:16:57.500 is conducting

01:16:58.140 in

01:16:58.980 in Gaza

01:17:00.040 and so

01:17:01.000 what's your

01:17:01.920 view of the

01:17:02.700 manner in

01:17:03.140 which this

01:17:03.760 defensive war

01:17:05.180 has been

01:17:05.740 conducted

01:17:06.300 and then

01:17:07.000 I would

01:17:07.500 I'm very

01:17:07.920 curious

01:17:08.280 like

01:17:08.520 what's a

01:17:09.540 vision of

01:17:10.160 victory

01:17:10.660 like I'm

01:17:11.300 always curious

01:17:11.860 when a war

01:17:12.440 breaks out

01:17:13.000 and this is

01:17:13.540 because of

01:17:14.620 the way it

01:17:15.020 started

01:17:15.360 in some

01:17:16.340 ways

01:17:16.580 it's a

01:17:16.960 it's

01:17:17.780 it's a

01:17:18.400 it's its

01:17:18.840 own unique

01:17:19.540 entity

01:17:20.520 but like

01:17:21.640 I'm

01:17:22.440 all

01:17:22.640 I'm

01:17:23.660 very

01:17:24.440 confused

01:17:25.800 about

01:17:26.080 what

01:17:26.460 what

01:17:27.100 victory

01:17:27.600 would

01:17:27.900 look

01:17:28.140 like

01:17:28.440 and

01:17:28.580 what

01:17:28.840 what's

01:17:29.260 the

01:17:29.440 victory

01:17:29.980 what is

01:17:30.700 victory

01:17:31.280 defined

01:17:31.880 by Israel

01:17:32.520 now

01:17:32.880 in

01:17:33.380 relationship

01:17:33.860 to this

01:17:34.540 so

01:17:35.000 because you

01:17:35.320 could win

01:17:35.660 the war

01:17:35.980 and lose

01:17:36.400 the public

01:17:36.860 opinion

01:17:37.260 battle

01:17:37.600 for example

01:17:38.200 which wouldn't

01:17:38.760 be good

01:17:39.140 so I'll

01:17:39.900 answer

01:17:40.160 question

01:17:40.660 one

01:17:41.020 three

01:17:41.360 and two

01:17:41.780 yeah

01:17:42.060 okay

01:17:42.320 okay

01:17:42.760 so how's

01:17:44.300 it going

01:17:44.660 well

01:17:44.960 the

01:17:46.160 military

01:17:46.980 itself

01:17:47.900 has been

01:17:48.720 very

01:17:50.100 successful

01:17:51.000 very

01:17:52.620 effective

01:17:53.120 the

01:17:53.600 soldiers

01:17:54.120 the

01:17:54.380 reservists

01:17:55.020 especially

01:17:55.600 Israel

01:17:56.040 is based

01:17:56.580 on a

01:17:57.200 massive

01:17:57.760 reserve

01:17:58.320 service

01:17:59.240 so

01:17:59.720 you

01:18:00.480 continue

01:18:00.860 doing

01:18:01.100 reserve

01:18:01.420 till about

01:18:01.900 45

01:18:02.520 age of

01:18:03.780 45

01:18:04.260 however

01:18:06.040 in my

01:18:07.100 opinion

01:18:07.500 the

01:18:08.960 government

01:18:09.400 lacks a

01:18:10.060 coherent

01:18:10.400 strategy

01:18:11.040 and did

01:18:11.580 not

01:18:11.820 outline

01:18:12.360 what a

01:18:13.180 victory

01:18:13.460 is

01:18:13.920 that

01:18:14.460 precise

01:18:14.840 question

01:18:15.240 we've

01:18:15.580 never

01:18:15.820 been

01:18:16.020 told

01:18:16.260 what does

01:18:16.620 it

01:18:16.720 actually

01:18:17.080 mean

01:18:17.520 and you

01:18:19.240 know

01:18:19.340 I

01:18:19.660 would have

01:18:20.980 gone

01:18:21.220 about

01:18:21.460 this

01:18:21.700 whole

01:18:21.900 war

01:18:22.140 in a

01:18:22.420 very

01:18:22.680 different

01:18:23.020 way

01:18:23.380 I

01:18:23.680 thought

01:18:24.120 that

01:18:24.320 we

01:18:24.500 should

01:18:24.780 apply

01:18:26.020 a

01:18:26.260 siege

01:18:26.520 on

01:18:26.700 northern

01:18:27.080 Gaza

01:18:27.700 allow

01:18:28.180 all

01:18:28.500 the

01:18:28.720 civilians

01:18:29.300 to

01:18:29.800 get

01:18:30.260 out

01:18:30.540 but

01:18:30.800 we

01:18:31.320 would

01:18:31.500 screen

01:18:31.900 and

01:18:32.480 basically

01:18:33.560 smoke

01:18:34.720 out

01:18:34.940 the

01:18:35.120 terrorists

01:18:35.400 from

01:18:35.640 the

01:18:36.040 tunnels

01:18:36.800 without

01:18:37.160 having

01:18:37.980 to have

01:18:38.380 so much

01:18:38.800 friction

01:18:39.160 and cost

01:18:40.080 for

01:18:40.660 everyone

01:18:41.040 that

01:18:41.780 was not

01:18:42.140 adopted

01:18:42.560 that

01:18:42.880 plan

01:18:43.340 a siege

01:18:43.740 plan

01:18:44.080 they

01:18:44.940 decided

01:18:45.380 to go

01:18:45.840 in

01:18:46.040 kinetically

01:18:46.480 which

01:18:46.780 is a

01:18:47.040 legit

01:18:47.280 decision

01:18:48.020 it

01:18:48.220 has

01:18:48.420 its

01:18:48.700 advantages

01:18:51.260 but

01:18:51.680 also

01:18:52.900 that

01:18:53.160 is not

01:18:53.540 being

01:18:53.800 prosecuted

01:18:54.560 the way

01:18:54.940 it should

01:18:55.300 if you're

01:18:55.740 going to

01:18:56.020 fight

01:18:56.460 fight

01:18:56.880 right now

01:18:57.520 there's

01:18:57.720 no war 0.63

01:18:58.120 in Gaza

01:18:58.540 there's

01:18:59.220 no fighting

01:19:00.420 going on

01:19:00.980 we're at

01:19:01.520 3%

01:19:02.160 intensity

01:19:02.780 and

01:19:03.880 the notion

01:19:05.140 that Israel

01:19:06.080 should have

01:19:06.500 long

01:19:07.360 low intensity

01:19:08.680 wars of

01:19:09.420 attrition

01:19:09.860 I don't buy

01:19:11.320 that I think

01:19:11.820 that's the

01:19:12.240 wrong strategy

01:19:13.020 Israel should 0.64

01:19:14.100 have short

01:19:14.760 high intensity

01:19:15.760 wars

01:19:16.820 if we have

01:19:17.440 to do

01:19:18.000 a war

01:19:18.280 that's

01:19:18.520 what we

01:19:18.760 always

01:19:19.120 did

01:19:19.440 the 56

01:19:20.960 year

01:19:23.240 war

01:19:24.140 was just

01:19:24.960 a few

01:19:25.240 days

01:19:25.540 the six

01:19:25.960 day war

01:19:26.440 was

01:19:26.880 indeed

01:19:27.500 six

01:19:27.780 days

01:19:28.180 Yom Kippur 0.73

01:19:29.060 was two

01:19:29.680 and a half

01:19:29.980 weeks

01:19:30.380 and suddenly

01:19:31.400 we're in

01:19:32.040 this protracted

01:19:33.020 dragged on

01:19:33.660 thing

01:19:34.020 why is it

01:19:35.340 bad for us

01:19:35.940 many reasons

01:19:36.800 first and

01:19:38.140 foremost

01:19:38.600 global

01:19:39.500 opinion

01:19:40.140 needs

01:19:42.960 short

01:19:43.780 time span

01:19:44.700 for us

01:19:45.140 even if

01:19:46.160 it's very

01:19:46.580 high intensity

01:19:47.300 lots of

01:19:47.900 buildings

01:19:48.280 fell

01:19:48.680 or whatever

01:19:49.200 but you

01:19:50.320 move on

01:19:50.860 there's

01:19:51.180 something new

01:19:51.740 on the

01:19:52.060 agenda

01:19:52.400 Taylor Swift

01:19:53.920 comes out

01:19:54.580 with a new

01:19:54.980 song

01:19:55.260 and everyone

01:19:55.640 changes

01:19:56.640 topic

01:19:57.100 but the

01:19:58.460 fact that

01:19:58.840 we're

01:19:59.040 dripping

01:19:59.400 this

01:19:59.860 and we're

01:20:00.900 always going

01:20:01.540 to be

01:20:01.740 inferior

01:20:02.240 in world

01:20:04.040 opinion

01:20:04.480 so the

01:20:05.260 less they

01:20:05.700 talk about

01:20:06.240 us the

01:20:06.540 better off

01:20:06.960 we are

01:20:07.180 that's

01:20:07.620 one mistake

01:20:08.300 second one

01:20:09.340 it also

01:20:11.040 puts

01:20:13.480 tremendous

01:20:13.940 pressure

01:20:14.360 on our

01:20:15.420 economy

01:20:15.920 on our

01:20:16.360 reservists

01:20:16.920 and that's

01:20:17.880 exactly what

01:20:18.320 Iran wants 0.99

01:20:18.960 us to do

01:20:19.360 Iran wants 0.99

01:20:20.120 to exhaust

01:20:20.760 us in a

01:20:21.300 slow

01:20:21.700 dripping

01:20:22.860 war

01:20:23.700 that's why

01:20:24.320 I think

01:20:24.680 I would

01:20:26.940 surge

01:20:27.440 and defeat

01:20:28.040 and if

01:20:29.060 we're not

01:20:29.400 going to

01:20:29.580 do that

01:20:29.880 I would

01:20:30.140 cut a

01:20:30.480 deal

01:20:30.740 a big

01:20:31.380 deal

01:20:31.660 with

01:20:31.960 and bring

01:20:32.600 the

01:20:32.860 hostages

01:20:33.580 home

01:20:33.880 we need

01:20:34.320 them to

01:20:34.620 come home

01:20:35.120 and fight

01:20:35.760 another

01:20:36.060 day

01:20:36.460 what does

01:20:38.180 victory

01:20:38.520 look like

01:20:39.180 again I

01:20:41.280 can say

01:20:41.700 what I

01:20:42.020 would have

01:20:42.360 set the

01:20:43.120 parameters

01:20:43.720 it's

01:20:44.420 Hamas 0.96

01:20:47.060 raising a

01:20:48.320 white flag

01:20:49.000 because the

01:20:49.980 and getting

01:20:50.840 on ships

01:20:51.760 and being

01:20:52.740 transferred

01:20:53.260 the 5,000

01:20:54.800 or 10,000

01:20:55.500 Hamasniks 1.00

01:20:56.180 being transferred

01:20:57.100 out of Gaza

01:20:57.920 to some

01:20:58.420 Arab state

01:20:59.140 but we let

01:21:00.720 them live

01:21:01.180 that would

01:21:01.700 be the

01:21:02.000 deal

01:21:02.300 and the

01:21:03.500 leverage

01:21:03.780 would be

01:21:04.200 if you

01:21:04.560 don't do

01:21:04.820 that we're

01:21:05.080 going to 1.00

01:21:05.240 kill you 1.00

01:21:05.640 but we're 1.00

01:21:06.640 not doing

01:21:07.020 that so

01:21:07.720 we don't

01:21:07.960 have

01:21:08.100 the

01:21:08.220 leverage

01:21:08.420 and are

01:21:08.440 those

01:21:08.700 key players

01:21:09.400 already

01:21:09.800 identified

01:21:10.540 those 5,000

01:21:12.280 yeah

01:21:12.540 yeah

01:21:12.920 yeah

01:21:13.180 we

01:21:13.380 you know

01:21:14.320 ultimately

01:21:14.700 we're

01:21:14.980 probably

01:21:15.580 going to

01:21:15.960 be able 1.00

01:21:16.500 to kill 1.00

01:21:17.020 Yachis 1.00

01:21:17.960 Sanwar

01:21:18.380 and get

01:21:20.760 the hostages

01:21:21.400 home

01:21:21.820 without

01:21:22.900 we have

01:21:23.760 a hundred

01:21:24.280 hostages

01:21:25.460 that Hamas 0.99

01:21:27.080 is still

01:21:27.460 holding

01:21:27.800 a hundred

01:21:28.380 Israelis

01:21:28.880 that were

01:21:29.740 kidnapped

01:21:29.980 from their

01:21:30.540 beds

01:21:31.100 at 6.30

01:21:32.740 or 7.00

01:21:33.260 in the morning

01:21:33.840 just

01:21:34.740 citizens

01:21:35.760 of Israel

01:21:36.360 and the

01:21:37.600 most

01:21:37.920 fundamental

01:21:38.560 ethos

01:21:39.140 in Israel

01:21:39.660 is you

01:21:40.440 don't

01:21:41.340 forget

01:21:42.720 anyone

01:21:43.480 you don't

01:21:43.920 leave anyone

01:21:44.480 behind

01:21:44.920 and this

01:21:45.840 is unacceptable

01:21:46.620 in the

01:21:48.980 US

01:21:49.460 there's

01:21:50.020 been

01:21:50.400 widespread

01:21:51.260 protests

01:21:53.320 especially

01:21:54.400 on university

01:21:55.200 campuses

01:21:55.660 but also

01:21:56.380 spilling

01:21:56.820 through the

01:21:57.460 cities

01:21:57.780 and you

01:21:58.340 see that

01:21:58.720 in London

01:21:59.180 for example

01:21:59.880 you see it

01:22:00.380 in France

01:22:00.960 it's a

01:22:01.460 worldwide

01:22:02.000 campaign

01:22:03.260 and so

01:22:04.420 first of

01:22:06.520 all

01:22:06.820 what's your

01:22:08.960 sense of

01:22:09.540 how those

01:22:10.720 campaigns were

01:22:11.400 organized

01:22:11.720 and who's

01:22:12.520 lurking behind

01:22:13.160 the scenes

01:22:13.600 there

01:22:13.940 and then

01:22:15.020 I guess

01:22:15.380 the next

01:22:15.760 thing

01:22:15.960 I'd like

01:22:16.300 to know

01:22:16.640 is

01:22:16.860 what

01:22:17.700 you have

01:22:19.480 an

01:22:19.620 opportunity

01:22:20.220 many

01:22:20.820 opportunities

01:22:21.360 but this

01:22:21.800 is one

01:22:22.120 of them

01:22:22.360 at least

01:22:22.700 to

01:22:23.040 to say

01:22:24.100 something

01:22:24.560 to people

01:22:25.100 who believe

01:22:25.760 that they're

01:22:26.200 on the

01:22:26.540 side of

01:22:26.900 the good

01:22:27.440 when they're

01:22:28.640 protesting

01:22:29.620 Israel's 0.75

01:22:30.980 actions

01:22:31.520 in the

01:22:32.120 Middle East

01:22:32.580 after October

01:22:33.400 7th

01:22:33.920 so let's

01:22:34.680 start with

01:22:35.300 those

01:22:35.920 those

01:22:36.420 those

01:22:37.120 protests

01:22:38.080 emerged

01:22:38.620 very rapidly

01:22:39.340 and they're

01:22:39.680 very very

01:22:40.320 very very

01:22:40.780 very well

01:22:41.520 organized

01:22:42.000 I mean

01:22:42.300 I've seen

01:22:42.780 I've seen

01:22:43.460 the plans

01:22:44.180 for example

01:22:44.920 for the

01:22:45.720 protesters

01:22:46.260 and their

01:22:47.100 community

01:22:47.520 at UCLA

01:22:48.260 I mean

01:22:48.820 it's a

01:22:49.280 multi-pull

01:22:49.880 unbelievable

01:22:50.400 strategy

01:22:51.060 yeah

01:22:51.400 so so

01:22:52.080 it's at

01:22:52.700 hand

01:22:53.060 right

01:22:53.300 and I

01:22:53.800 believe

01:22:54.160 they pulled

01:22:54.720 in the

01:22:55.040 Antifa

01:22:55.420 types

01:22:55.840 and the

01:22:56.160 professional

01:22:56.780 protesters

01:22:57.360 and they

01:22:57.860 more or less

01:22:58.600 know what

01:22:59.000 they're doing

01:22:59.440 but

01:22:59.720 but it

01:23:00.600 works

01:23:00.960 clearly

01:23:02.180 clearly

01:23:02.680 it's

01:23:03.240 working

01:23:03.580 you know

01:23:03.760 I see

01:23:04.660 here

01:23:05.080 a merge

01:23:06.160 of two

01:23:06.840 different

01:23:07.760 strands

01:23:08.380 that

01:23:09.060 almost

01:23:10.400 are opposite

01:23:11.220 of each

01:23:11.620 other

01:23:11.840 but in a

01:23:12.780 peculiar

01:23:13.240 way

01:23:13.900 they

01:23:14.520 they

01:23:14.880 they

01:23:15.440 merge

01:23:15.760 the first

01:23:16.160 one is

01:23:16.460 radical

01:23:16.800 Islam

01:23:17.300 we're not

01:23:18.820 going to

01:23:19.020 change

01:23:19.260 any of

01:23:19.540 their

01:23:19.700 minds

01:23:20.180 and I

01:23:21.380 I believe

01:23:22.960 that there

01:23:24.140 is significant

01:23:25.080 money

01:23:25.740 you know

01:23:28.100 Qatari

01:23:28.740 money

01:23:29.160 Iranian

01:23:29.600 money

01:23:30.040 being funneled

01:23:32.160 towards this

01:23:32.760 Qatar by the

01:23:33.940 way is

01:23:34.540 is in

01:23:35.680 my eyes

01:23:36.960 a terrible

01:23:38.640 regime

01:23:39.220 whose hands

01:23:40.320 are soaked

01:23:40.900 in blood

01:23:41.420 and they

01:23:42.520 have a

01:23:43.120 facade

01:23:43.560 of

01:23:44.040 World Cup

01:23:45.160 and this

01:23:45.600 and Olympics

01:23:46.280 and stuff

01:23:46.880 like that

01:23:47.420 but they

01:23:49.180 play

01:23:51.620 a two-sided

01:23:52.740 game

01:23:53.240 they foment

01:23:54.560 support

01:23:55.600 fund

01:23:56.340 terror

01:23:56.780 as we

01:23:57.220 speak

01:23:57.600 and they

01:23:58.380 pretend to

01:23:58.840 be

01:23:59.200 western

01:24:00.260 you know

01:24:01.340 progressive

01:24:02.360 folks

01:24:03.120 and like

01:24:04.880 Iran

01:24:05.160 everyone at

01:24:05.680 least knows

01:24:06.140 that Iran 0.91

01:24:06.600 is a 0.99

01:24:07.560 terrible

01:24:07.840 regime

01:24:08.340 so that's

01:24:10.020 one strand

01:24:10.600 and the

01:24:11.000 other strand

01:24:11.820 is radical

01:24:12.980 progressive

01:24:13.620 woke 1.00

01:24:15.880 idiots 1.00

01:24:17.500 for the 1.00

01:24:19.000 lack of a

01:24:19.380 better term

01:24:20.040 naive people

01:24:21.860 who view

01:24:22.720 the world

01:24:23.220 in a

01:24:23.720 neo-Marxist

01:24:24.720 frame

01:24:27.160 where there's

01:24:27.880 always a

01:24:28.680 victim

01:24:28.980 and a

01:24:29.400 victimizer

01:24:30.080 and Israel

01:24:31.240 you know

01:24:31.580 look I've

01:24:32.280 got white

01:24:32.740 skin here

01:24:33.560 so I'm

01:24:34.760 the bad

01:24:35.100 guy by

01:24:35.520 definition

01:24:36.120 forget the

01:24:37.020 fact that

01:24:37.520 the land

01:24:38.500 of Israel

01:24:38.900 has been

01:24:39.360 my homeland

01:24:40.640 for 3,800

01:24:41.780 years

01:24:42.440 forget the

01:24:43.480 fact that

01:24:44.040 much of

01:24:45.840 those 3,800

01:24:46.800 years we

01:24:47.480 had a state

01:24:48.040 in Israel

01:24:48.560 and when we

01:24:49.500 weren't in

01:24:49.900 that state

01:24:50.380 we were

01:24:50.940 praying three

01:24:52.260 times a day

01:24:52.920 I pray every

01:24:53.880 morning

01:24:54.300 we will

01:24:56.360 return to

01:24:56.900 Jerusalem

01:24:57.300 now we

01:24:57.960 are in

01:24:58.300 Jerusalem

01:24:58.680 and

01:24:59.820 it's

01:25:01.180 incredibly

01:25:01.920 difficult

01:25:02.620 to pull

01:25:05.480 someone out

01:25:06.180 of that

01:25:06.620 that frame

01:25:07.520 because

01:25:08.540 basically if

01:25:09.720 you're the

01:25:10.040 aggressor

01:25:10.660 and he's

01:25:11.500 the victim

01:25:12.040 he's allowed

01:25:12.940 to do

01:25:13.220 anything

01:25:13.540 he's allowed 0.73

01:25:13.960 to murder 0.99

01:25:15.840 people 1.00

01:25:16.900 torture

01:25:18.060 people

01:25:18.720 because he's

01:25:19.640 the victim

01:25:20.120 and

01:25:21.560 factually

01:25:23.200 that just

01:25:24.420 is not

01:25:24.860 true

01:25:25.220 the Arabs

01:25:28.100 have

01:25:29.120 huge areas

01:25:30.560 of land

01:25:31.140 I think

01:25:32.140 hundreds

01:25:32.760 of times

01:25:33.240 the size

01:25:34.040 of Israel

01:25:34.980 I'd let

01:25:35.420 your

01:25:35.740 viewers know

01:25:37.000 they probably

01:25:37.500 don't know

01:25:38.120 Israel

01:25:38.800 in its

01:25:39.640 entirety

01:25:40.100 is the

01:25:40.860 size of

01:25:41.240 New Jersey

01:25:41.760 that's how

01:25:42.700 big we

01:25:43.040 are

01:25:43.220 it's a

01:25:43.640 tiny

01:25:43.900 tiny

01:25:44.200 country

01:25:44.720 and

01:25:45.640 you know

01:25:46.660 before

01:25:47.060 the Jews

01:25:48.060 came back

01:25:48.680 home

01:25:49.160 beginning

01:25:50.040 in the

01:25:50.860 late

01:25:51.240 1800s

01:25:54.040 it was

01:25:56.220 desolate

01:25:57.480 barren 1.00

01:25:58.640 miserable

01:26:00.880 land

01:26:01.560 infested

01:26:02.320 with

01:26:02.640 mosquitoes

01:26:03.180 and malaria

01:26:03.920 and

01:26:04.980 there was

01:26:07.000 always

01:26:07.280 Jewish

01:26:07.600 presence

01:26:08.080 but it

01:26:08.460 wasn't

01:26:08.800 under

01:26:09.120 Jewish

01:26:09.940 governance

01:26:12.240 but as

01:26:13.360 Jews

01:26:13.640 came

01:26:14.120 around

01:26:15.300 the

01:26:15.500 world

01:26:15.720 and

01:26:15.940 began

01:26:16.300 to

01:26:16.720 flourish

01:26:17.820 this

01:26:18.200 desolate

01:26:19.720 land 0.78

01:26:20.140 Arabs

01:26:21.800 began

01:26:22.440 coming

01:26:22.820 from

01:26:23.060 Iraq

01:26:23.560 from

01:26:23.920 Egypt

01:26:25.640 in their

01:26:26.720 names

01:26:27.240 Palestinian

01:26:28.120 names

01:26:28.580 many of

01:26:29.020 them are

01:26:29.300 called

01:26:30.120 El

01:26:30.560 Masri

01:26:31.040 which means

01:26:31.820 Egypt

01:26:32.220 Masri

01:26:33.260 is Egypt

01:26:34.300 El

01:26:34.800 Baghdadi

01:26:35.380 El

01:26:35.660 this

01:26:35.940 all that

01:26:36.340 which is

01:26:38.460 fine

01:26:38.820 that's

01:26:39.740 okay

01:26:40.100 but

01:26:40.940 you know

01:26:44.220 go get

01:26:44.840 a life

01:26:45.300 stop being

01:26:46.300 victims

01:26:46.740 go build

01:26:47.660 your future

01:26:48.280 and it

01:26:49.400 seems to

01:26:49.840 me that

01:26:50.340 their

01:26:51.280 core

01:26:52.460 ideology

01:26:53.040 is to

01:26:53.400 prevent

01:26:53.640 us

01:26:54.060 from

01:26:54.720 having

01:26:55.000 a state

01:26:55.520 and not

01:26:56.080 rather than

01:26:56.720 them

01:26:57.020 having

01:26:57.760 their own

01:26:58.260 future

01:26:58.880 yeah

01:26:59.920 well the

01:27:00.200 victim

01:27:00.520 victimizer

01:27:01.120 narrative

01:27:01.540 is a

01:27:01.860 very

01:27:02.020 pervasive

01:27:02.700 you know

01:27:04.620 because

01:27:05.020 tell me

01:27:06.040 why are

01:27:07.860 so many

01:27:08.340 people

01:27:08.740 against

01:27:09.160 Israel

01:27:09.760 and what

01:27:10.600 can we

01:27:10.860 do about

01:27:11.280 it

01:27:11.420 you're

01:27:12.840 the

01:27:13.020 psychiatrist

01:27:13.520 you're

01:27:14.020 the

01:27:14.280 in a

01:27:14.640 world

01:27:14.840 where

01:27:15.020 traditional

01:27:15.360 values

01:27:15.780 are

01:27:15.980 under

01:27:16.280 siege

01:27:16.680 it's

01:27:16.900 crucial

01:27:17.200 to

01:27:17.400 stay

01:27:17.620 sharp

01:27:17.940 both

01:27:18.260 mentally

01:27:18.620 and

01:27:19.020 physically

01:27:19.380 enter

01:27:20.200 responsible

01:27:20.760 man

01:27:21.080 a daily

01:27:21.580 wire

01:27:21.760 ventures

01:27:22.100 company

01:27:22.420 that

01:27:22.660 understands

01:27:23.180 what it

01:27:23.460 means

01:27:23.700 to be

01:27:23.920 a

01:27:24.080 pillar

01:27:24.280 of

01:27:24.440 strength

01:27:24.740 in

01:27:25.040 these

01:27:25.240 challenging

01:27:25.620 times

01:27:26.040 they've

01:27:26.560 created

01:27:26.840 the

01:27:27.040 Emerson

01:27:27.300 multivitamin

01:27:27.920 not for

01:27:28.580 the faint

01:27:28.820 of heart

01:27:29.120 but for

01:27:29.500 men

01:27:29.720 who

01:27:29.900 shoulder

01:27:30.220 their

01:27:30.540 responsibilities

01:27:31.200 with

01:27:31.600 pride

01:27:31.960 the

01:27:32.440 Emerson

01:27:32.640 multivitamin

01:27:33.180 contains

01:27:33.540 33

01:27:33.960 key

01:27:34.280 ingredients

01:27:34.720 that work

01:27:35.200 in harmony

01:27:35.540 to fortify

01:27:36.140 your immune

01:27:36.600 system

01:27:37.040 sharpen your 0.89

01:27:37.740 mental

01:27:37.940 acuity

01:27:38.340 and maintain

01:27:39.160 the strength

01:27:39.620 of your

01:27:39.860 heart

01:27:40.140 and muscles

01:27:40.740 it's not

01:27:41.480 just a

01:27:41.780 vitamin

01:27:42.020 it's fuel

01:27:42.820 for the

01:27:43.160 culture battle

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01:28:19.860 strength

01:28:20.200 comes from

01:28:20.740 within

01:28:21.100 well

01:28:21.680 I think

01:28:22.500 part of it

01:28:23.060 is

01:28:23.400 the politics

01:28:25.120 of envy

01:28:25.660 you know

01:28:27.140 the Jews

01:28:27.880 are the

01:28:28.280 perennially

01:28:28.760 successful

01:28:29.400 minority

01:28:30.020 even in

01:28:31.300 the story

01:28:31.940 of Exodus

01:28:32.520 the reason

01:28:33.620 that the

01:28:34.180 pharaoh

01:28:34.540 rises up

01:28:35.920 against the

01:28:36.600 Jews

01:28:36.880 is because

01:28:37.420 they're

01:28:37.760 disproportionately

01:28:38.380 successful

01:28:39.200 in Egypt

01:28:39.780 even though

01:28:40.740 the Egyptians

01:28:41.880 were beholden

01:28:42.720 to them

01:28:43.000 not long

01:28:43.660 before that

01:28:44.400 they're

01:28:44.860 disproportionately

01:28:45.380 successful

01:28:46.200 okay

01:28:47.020 so

01:28:47.420 Joseph

01:28:48.240 helped

01:28:49.560 Egypt

01:28:50.660 thrive

01:28:51.280 right

01:28:51.980 right

01:28:52.440 absolutely

01:28:52.960 so part

01:28:53.900 of that

01:28:54.120 narrative

01:28:54.440 is that

01:28:54.840 the influx

01:28:55.360 of Jews

01:28:55.760 was actually

01:28:56.300 of great

01:28:56.760 utility

01:28:57.240 to the

01:28:57.860 Egyptian

01:28:58.200 population

01:28:58.880 but then

01:28:59.640 the Jews

01:28:59.960 became

01:29:00.340 disproportionately

01:29:01.020 successful

01:29:01.800 and that

01:29:02.540 always happens

01:29:03.340 it always

01:29:04.020 happens

01:29:04.440 and so

01:29:04.900 then the

01:29:06.020 issue is

01:29:06.620 well

01:29:06.940 what do

01:29:07.700 you do

01:29:08.020 with the

01:29:08.360 disproportionately

01:29:08.980 successful

01:29:09.860 and the

01:29:10.600 response to

01:29:11.760 that is

01:29:12.060 twofold

01:29:12.480 you can be

01:29:13.080 happy

01:29:13.480 for the

01:29:14.380 fact of

01:29:14.820 their

01:29:14.960 productivity

01:29:15.400 and their

01:29:15.900 success

01:29:16.360 because they

01:29:17.000 share their

01:29:17.800 knowledge

01:29:19.160 and their

01:29:19.860 abilities

01:29:20.320 with everyone

01:29:21.000 around them

01:29:21.560 and the

01:29:22.040 rising tide

01:29:22.900 lifts all

01:29:23.660 boats

01:29:24.140 or you

01:29:24.880 can decide

01:29:25.380 that anybody

01:29:26.000 who has

01:29:26.560 more

01:29:26.860 took it

01:29:27.820 and is a 0.93

01:29:28.360 thief 1.00

01:29:28.700 and a 1.00

01:29:29.000 crook

01:29:29.360 and there's 0.97

01:29:29.880 always corruption

01:29:30.500 in every

01:29:30.940 enterprise

01:29:31.320 so there's

01:29:31.780 always things

01:29:32.300 you can

01:29:32.600 point to

01:29:33.100 so what I

01:29:34.120 see is that

01:29:34.860 the Jews

01:29:35.920 are also

01:29:36.560 the perennial

01:29:37.220 canary in the

01:29:38.280 coal mine

01:29:38.800 when

01:29:39.460 when societies

01:29:41.840 take a turn

01:29:42.860 against those

01:29:43.740 who are

01:29:44.040 successful

01:29:44.640 and start to

01:29:45.420 define them

01:29:45.980 as criminals 0.99

01:29:46.560 the Jews 1.00

01:29:47.140 are the first

01:29:47.760 people to be

01:29:48.360 targeted

01:29:48.740 and all

01:29:49.660 that indicates

01:29:50.340 is that

01:29:50.780 all the

01:29:51.320 success

01:29:51.620 that's more

01:29:51.960 in the

01:29:52.500 socialist

01:29:52.960 type

01:29:54.400 societies

01:29:54.940 or communist

01:29:55.500 societies

01:29:56.360 that

01:29:56.720 but

01:29:58.040 you know

01:29:59.180 anti-Semitism

01:30:00.560 also thrived

01:30:01.860 when Jews 1.00

01:30:03.000 were miserable 1.00

01:30:03.840 and unsuccessful 0.94

01:30:04.820 so

01:30:05.400 we weren't

01:30:07.360 always

01:30:07.680 not in every

01:30:08.580 pocket

01:30:08.960 were we

01:30:09.340 successful

01:30:09.840 and yet

01:30:10.500 like

01:30:11.840 it's

01:30:12.140 everywhere

01:30:12.600 well there's

01:30:14.400 also

01:30:14.720 there's also

01:30:15.380 you know

01:30:16.000 the mere

01:30:16.560 fact

01:30:17.000 that

01:30:17.440 ethnic

01:30:18.380 differences

01:30:18.920 can easily

01:30:19.540 be inflamed

01:30:20.300 and that

01:30:20.600 people are

01:30:21.160 radically

01:30:21.740 you know

01:30:22.580 we're

01:30:23.140 relatively

01:30:23.960 insular

01:30:24.480 by our

01:30:24.960 psychology

01:30:25.500 you know

01:30:25.920 it's me

01:30:26.520 and then

01:30:26.940 it's me

01:30:27.320 and my

01:30:27.580 family

01:30:28.000 and then

01:30:28.320 it's me

01:30:28.640 and my

01:30:28.900 family

01:30:29.260 and my

01:30:29.560 community

01:30:29.960 right

01:30:30.480 it's harder

01:30:31.580 for us

01:30:32.060 to extend

01:30:32.720 that ethos

01:30:33.840 of concern

01:30:34.420 as people

01:30:35.080 get more

01:30:35.560 distal

01:30:36.040 and there's

01:30:36.480 which makes

01:30:36.880 sense

01:30:37.220 well of course

01:30:38.020 it does

01:30:38.360 because

01:30:38.700 something has

01:30:39.760 to mediate

01:30:40.440 in-group

01:30:40.900 identity

01:30:41.360 or we

01:30:41.740 wouldn't be

01:30:42.200 social

01:30:42.680 right

01:30:43.000 obviously I

01:30:43.580 care more

01:30:44.040 about my

01:30:44.520 child than

01:30:45.160 a stranger

01:30:45.860 right

01:30:46.240 and you

01:30:47.320 might say

01:30:47.740 well you

01:30:48.040 shouldn't

01:30:48.380 because there's

01:30:48.800 no logical

01:30:49.400 reason

01:30:49.880 and the right

01:30:50.380 rejoinder to

01:30:51.000 that is

01:30:51.400 well I don't

01:30:52.080 have infinite

01:30:52.900 resources

01:30:53.560 I can't care

01:30:55.020 for every

01:30:55.660 child in the

01:30:56.400 world with

01:30:56.820 the same

01:30:57.180 intensity as

01:30:57.880 I would

01:30:58.160 for my

01:30:58.480 own child

01:30:58.880 because there's

01:30:59.400 too many

01:30:59.740 of them

01:31:00.160 and too

01:31:00.660 little of

01:31:01.080 me

01:31:01.320 so I'm

01:31:01.720 going to

01:31:02.080 be

01:31:02.320 local

01:31:02.940 what do

01:31:03.480 you think

01:31:03.740 we can

01:31:04.060 do

01:31:04.420 because

01:31:05.980 you know

01:31:06.660 sometimes

01:31:07.060 I'm

01:31:07.620 flabbergasted

01:31:08.520 I'm always

01:31:09.460 interviewing

01:31:10.120 CNN

01:31:10.860 BBC

01:31:11.500 and all

01:31:11.920 that

01:31:12.100 and I

01:31:12.960 feel

01:31:13.360 sometimes

01:31:14.200 I'm

01:31:15.100 barely

01:31:15.340 moving

01:31:15.700 the

01:31:15.960 needle

01:31:16.220 and

01:31:16.660 you know

01:31:17.940 the reality

01:31:19.460 is so

01:31:19.960 different

01:31:20.380 than what

01:31:20.980 we're

01:31:21.200 portrayed

01:31:21.640 and what

01:31:22.980 do you

01:31:23.140 think we

01:31:23.460 can do

01:31:23.780 about it

01:31:24.240 well I

01:31:25.580 think going

01:31:26.140 after the

01:31:26.680 victim victimizer

01:31:27.620 narrative is a

01:31:28.380 good long term

01:31:28.980 strategy because

01:31:29.860 it's extremely

01:31:30.560 pathological

01:31:31.380 and so to

01:31:33.080 the degree that

01:31:33.760 we've been

01:31:34.380 messaging around

01:31:35.240 this that's

01:31:36.000 in various

01:31:37.240 enterprises that

01:31:38.280 I'm involved

01:31:38.800 in that's

01:31:39.300 what being

01:31:39.580 one of our

01:31:40.040 primary targets

01:31:40.820 of concern

01:31:41.380 there's

01:31:42.100 something wrong

01:31:42.860 with the

01:31:43.220 politics of

01:31:43.800 envy if

01:31:44.740 you divide

01:31:45.260 the world

01:31:45.640 up into

01:31:46.180 oppressor

01:31:46.900 and oppressed

01:31:47.460 and now

01:31:48.080 you're good

01:31:48.720 merely because

01:31:49.440 you are on

01:31:50.920 the side of

01:31:51.380 the oppressed

01:31:51.980 or are an

01:31:53.380 ally like

01:31:54.400 that's just

01:31:54.940 too simple

01:31:55.820 a moral

01:31:56.400 equation

01:31:56.960 and there's

01:31:58.640 every bit of

01:31:59.380 reason for

01:31:59.900 skepticism in

01:32:00.800 relationship to

01:32:01.540 that but it's

01:32:02.120 also very

01:32:03.200 bad for you

01:32:04.200 to regard

01:32:04.760 yourself as

01:32:05.420 a victim

01:32:05.860 because you

01:32:07.500 lose agency

01:32:08.380 and you lose

01:32:09.300 hope and

01:32:10.100 you're subject

01:32:10.840 to someone

01:32:11.380 else's whim

01:32:12.080 it's so funny

01:32:12.640 you know

01:32:13.000 my dad may

01:32:14.580 rest in peace

01:32:15.400 Jim Bennett

01:32:16.200 he was raised

01:32:17.760 not far from

01:32:18.860 here in San

01:32:19.780 Francisco

01:32:20.140 and I guess

01:32:21.880 the biggest

01:32:22.340 thing I took

01:32:23.040 from him

01:32:23.640 was he

01:32:25.380 never whined

01:32:26.260 he never

01:32:27.220 complained

01:32:27.820 and it was

01:32:28.880 self-reliance

01:32:29.760 that's the

01:32:30.380 he always

01:32:31.420 faced the

01:32:32.680 whatever

01:32:33.080 situation

01:32:33.720 and took

01:32:35.020 responsibility

01:32:35.720 he didn't

01:32:36.360 talk about it

01:32:37.040 he just did

01:32:37.580 it

01:32:37.780 and that is

01:32:39.140 so deeply

01:32:39.760 ingrained

01:32:40.520 in me

01:32:40.980 and that's

01:32:43.020 why when I

01:32:43.580 see you 0.98

01:32:44.680 know whiners

01:32:45.560 and not to

01:32:48.000 say that there

01:32:48.500 isn't

01:32:49.100 there's plenty

01:32:49.900 of suffering

01:32:50.600 and there's

01:32:52.220 discrimination

01:32:52.700 and people

01:32:53.880 don't have

01:32:54.360 the same

01:32:55.460 starting point

01:32:56.580 but it's

01:32:58.660 such a

01:32:59.560 how will it

01:33:01.040 be able to

01:33:01.500 sustain itself

01:33:02.200 this ultra

01:33:03.440 progressive

01:33:03.940 movement

01:33:04.440 if they

01:33:05.640 manufacture

01:33:07.060 people

01:33:07.600 who

01:33:08.500 are designed

01:33:09.720 to not

01:33:10.060 take

01:33:10.240 responsibility

01:33:10.900 so it

01:33:11.940 ought to

01:33:12.400 collapse

01:33:12.820 ultimately

01:33:13.360 historically

01:33:15.680 movements like

01:33:16.700 that do

01:33:17.160 collapse

01:33:17.640 envious

01:33:18.120 resentful

01:33:18.820 movements

01:33:19.240 collapse

01:33:19.700 they don't

01:33:20.160 work

01:33:20.500 so well

01:33:21.680 one of the

01:33:22.380 things that

01:33:22.840 you see

01:33:23.420 in the

01:33:24.460 Old Testament

01:33:25.360 accounts

01:33:25.940 is that

01:33:27.200 the Jewish

01:33:28.260 people are

01:33:29.120 characterized

01:33:29.600 in their

01:33:30.100 covenant

01:33:30.400 with God

01:33:31.080 they're

01:33:31.900 characterized

01:33:32.960 by

01:33:33.680 when they're

01:33:34.680 good

01:33:35.020 they're

01:33:35.560 characterized

01:33:35.940 by a

01:33:36.500 refusal

01:33:36.900 to construe

01:33:37.540 themselves

01:33:37.880 as victims

01:33:38.540 so the

01:33:39.500 main

01:33:40.060 upward

01:33:40.940 thrusting 0.98

01:33:42.060 theme

01:33:42.800 in the

01:33:43.800 Old Testament

01:33:44.380 accounts

01:33:44.840 is the

01:33:45.260 fact that

01:33:45.800 the Jews

01:33:46.320 always

01:33:47.080 presume

01:33:47.860 that if

01:33:48.920 there's

01:33:49.380 punishment

01:33:50.420 wreaked

01:33:51.500 upon them

01:33:52.160 that that's

01:33:53.180 a consequence

01:33:53.700 in some

01:33:54.340 manner

01:33:54.700 of their

01:33:55.440 own

01:33:55.760 insufficiency

01:33:56.580 and not

01:33:57.220 the

01:33:57.880 though

01:33:58.640 in the

01:34:00.040 desert

01:34:00.500 during those

01:34:01.360 40 years

01:34:02.240 man they

01:34:03.400 were

01:34:03.800 complaining

01:34:05.440 and whining 0.99

01:34:06.060 that might

01:34:07.780 be the

01:34:08.100 reason

01:34:08.460 that they

01:34:09.600 had to

01:34:09.900 spend 40

01:34:10.540 years and 0.69

01:34:11.020 die out

01:34:11.480 so the

01:34:12.200 next generation

01:34:12.760 they're also

01:34:15.380 not presented

01:34:16.000 as morally

01:34:16.520 laudable for

01:34:17.320 presenting

01:34:17.840 themselves as

01:34:18.480 victims

01:34:18.860 because Moses

01:34:20.340 is on the

01:34:20.960 side of

01:34:21.340 God

01:34:21.680 and God

01:34:22.200 and Moses

01:34:22.600 share the

01:34:23.180 opinion that

01:34:23.860 the Israelites

01:34:24.520 who are

01:34:24.860 whining away

01:34:25.580 as they

01:34:26.280 make themselves

01:34:27.140 away

01:34:28.460 so painfully

01:34:29.700 through the

01:34:30.160 desert

01:34:30.480 lost as

01:34:31.280 they are

01:34:31.820 by the way

01:34:32.200 you know

01:34:32.500 if you've

01:34:33.300 ever been

01:34:33.620 to Sinai

01:34:34.340 if you walk

01:34:35.600 quickly it

01:34:36.600 could take

01:34:37.040 seven days

01:34:37.860 right

01:34:38.100 right

01:34:38.320 well so

01:34:38.780 the upshot

01:34:40.080 of the

01:34:40.340 story is

01:34:40.980 that if

01:34:41.520 you're

01:34:41.740 confused

01:34:42.280 and resentful

01:34:43.220 enough

01:34:43.900 and you

01:34:44.300 have the

01:34:44.740 habits of

01:34:45.320 slaves

01:34:45.720 it can 0.90

01:34:46.420 take you

01:34:46.820 forever

01:34:47.220 to get

01:34:47.640 nowhere

01:34:48.060 right

01:34:48.500 right

01:34:48.940 and that's

01:34:49.320 exactly

01:34:49.560 right

01:34:50.020 so they

01:34:50.040 just had 1.00

01:34:50.400 to die

01:34:50.760 out

01:34:51.160 well it's

01:34:52.200 three generations

01:34:52.920 right

01:34:53.280 something like

01:34:53.840 that

01:34:53.980 right

01:34:54.320 and that

01:34:55.800 is the

01:34:56.200 consequence

01:34:56.660 of their

01:34:57.220 slavish

01:34:57.700 habits

01:34:58.140 right

01:34:58.420 they're

01:34:58.720 used to

01:34:59.340 being told

01:35:00.340 what to

01:35:00.740 do

01:35:00.880 they can't

01:35:01.400 settle

01:35:01.660 their own

01:35:02.040 affairs

01:35:02.400 they can't

01:35:03.040 regulate

01:35:03.400 their own

01:35:03.860 behavior

01:35:04.280 right

01:35:04.680 they're

01:35:05.000 very impulsive

01:35:05.900 and hedonistic

01:35:06.700 as soon as

01:35:07.280 Moses disappears

01:35:08.180 for 15 minutes

01:35:09.140 they're off

01:35:09.680 dancing naked

01:35:10.580 drinking too much 0.75

01:35:11.520 and worshipping

01:35:12.160 the golden calf

01:35:13.020 they have

01:35:13.740 they have

01:35:13.760 they have the

01:35:13.900 habits

01:35:14.220 of slaves

01:35:14.920 right

01:35:15.760 and the

01:35:16.180 the

01:35:16.740 the rectification

01:35:17.840 of that

01:35:18.420 and this

01:35:19.340 pertains to

01:35:20.060 what you

01:35:20.440 said earlier

01:35:21.660 about building

01:35:22.300 resilient young

01:35:23.060 people

01:35:23.420 is that

01:35:23.840 you don't

01:35:24.580 want to

01:35:25.140 raise

01:35:25.820 young people

01:35:26.700 with the

01:35:27.000 habits

01:35:27.300 of hedonistic

01:35:27.980 slaves

01:35:28.440 right 0.92

01:35:28.680 by the way

01:35:29.460 the 12

01:35:30.800 spies

01:35:31.620 so essentially

01:35:33.100 10 of the spies

01:35:34.060 came back

01:35:34.620 whining

01:35:35.100 and yeah

01:35:35.640 that's right

01:35:36.180 came back

01:35:36.980 saying

01:35:37.340 all right

01:35:37.720 you know

01:35:38.100 it's going

01:35:39.040 to be tough

01:35:39.480 they didn't

01:35:40.120 you know

01:35:40.640 they saw

01:35:41.220 the giants

01:35:42.240 and all that

01:35:42.740 they said

01:35:43.080 it's going

01:35:43.260 to be tough

01:35:43.680 but it's a

01:35:44.560 beautiful

01:35:44.980 wonderful

01:35:45.460 land

01:35:46.280 and let's

01:35:46.780 go do it

01:35:47.160 well there

01:35:47.460 there's

01:35:47.880 there

01:35:48.140 there

01:35:48.500 it's

01:35:49.140 it's not

01:35:49.540 surprising

01:35:50.000 that that

01:35:50.420 part of

01:35:50.740 the story

01:35:51.120 popped into

01:35:51.740 your mind

01:35:52.200 because it's

01:35:52.700 very germane

01:35:53.360 to this

01:35:53.700 discussion

01:35:54.180 is that

01:35:54.620 so Moses

01:35:55.640 and his

01:35:56.060 people

01:35:56.360 are on

01:35:56.860 the threshold

01:35:57.440 of the

01:35:57.720 promised

01:35:58.040 land

01:35:58.320 right

01:35:58.580 right

01:35:58.880 so they've

01:36:00.160 succeeded

01:36:00.540 in crossing

01:36:01.060 the desert

01:36:01.560 and escaping

01:36:02.040 from tyranny

01:36:02.680 so they send

01:36:03.640 out scouts

01:36:04.360 right

01:36:04.780 of the future

01:36:05.700 essentially

01:36:06.320 yes

01:36:08.100 back and say

01:36:08.620 well the future

01:36:09.340 is already

01:36:09.700 occupied by

01:36:10.380 people we

01:36:10.840 can't possibly

01:36:11.500 defeat

01:36:11.960 you were

01:36:12.880 nothing but

01:36:13.380 a power

01:36:13.840 mongering 0.73

01:36:14.360 tyrant 0.69

01:36:14.900 who led

01:36:15.300 us through

01:36:15.560 the desert

01:36:16.020 we were

01:36:16.540 better off

01:36:17.120 with the 0.97

01:36:17.460 Egyptians

01:36:17.900 it's like

01:36:18.520 what's going

01:36:19.320 on here

01:36:19.740 if I remember

01:36:20.800 the story

01:36:21.280 correctly

01:36:21.760 the earth

01:36:22.300 opens up

01:36:22.900 to swallow

01:36:23.460 the faithless

01:36:24.420 scouts

01:36:24.840 and no

01:36:25.240 no no

01:36:25.600 no that's

01:36:26.100 a different

01:36:26.500 it's a

01:36:26.880 different story

01:36:27.520 no

01:36:28.220 the earth

01:36:29.880 opens up

01:36:31.200 on a

01:36:31.740 different guy

01:36:32.660 called

01:36:33.000 Korah 0.87

01:36:33.580 oh that's

01:36:34.080 right

01:36:34.260 okay

01:36:34.580 okay that's

01:36:35.340 right

01:36:35.540 so

01:36:35.780 anyways

01:36:36.960 the end

01:36:37.320 of the story

01:36:37.860 is exactly

01:36:38.480 what you

01:36:38.860 said

01:36:39.140 which is

01:36:39.560 the

01:36:39.780 by the way

01:36:42.320 they were

01:36:42.660 leaders of

01:36:43.240 their tribes

01:36:43.840 they weren't

01:36:44.220 just scouts

01:36:44.780 I mean

01:36:45.320 yes

01:36:45.760 the sages

01:36:46.580 tell us

01:36:47.040 that they

01:36:47.340 weren't

01:36:47.560 just scouts

01:36:48.060 they were

01:36:48.380 actually

01:36:48.780 the leaders

01:36:49.620 of the

01:36:49.940 12 tribes

01:36:50.600 and they

01:36:51.880 had to be

01:36:52.260 replaced

01:36:52.740 but one

01:36:54.580 of the most

01:36:54.980 fascinating

01:36:55.460 periods is

01:36:56.280 the initial

01:36:57.080 entrance

01:36:58.240 into Israel

01:36:59.600 back then

01:37:00.220 by Joshua

01:37:00.940 and then

01:37:01.840 the subsequent

01:37:02.380 hundreds of

01:37:03.020 years

01:37:03.260 where suddenly

01:37:03.980 a slave

01:37:04.960 nation 0.58

01:37:05.420 is

01:37:06.200 governing

01:37:06.640 you know

01:37:07.180 itself

01:37:07.580 not as

01:37:07.980 a kingdom

01:37:08.460 not as

01:37:09.060 a united

01:37:09.440 kingdom

01:37:09.820 but

01:37:10.140 as

01:37:11.500 with

01:37:12.160 distributed

01:37:12.780 responsibility

01:37:13.560 very distributed

01:37:14.360 yeah

01:37:14.740 yeah

01:37:15.040 yeah

01:37:15.240 yeah

01:37:15.640 yeah

01:37:15.880 yeah

01:37:16.040 well in

01:37:16.440 the ethical

01:37:17.020 almost too much

01:37:17.720 by the way

01:37:18.080 not too much

01:37:18.820 distribution

01:37:19.480 but too much

01:37:20.460 selfishness

01:37:21.720 selfishness

01:37:23.460 of tribes

01:37:24.180 too many

01:37:25.600 times

01:37:25.920 they didn't

01:37:26.220 help each

01:37:26.700 other

01:37:27.000 when they

01:37:27.460 ought to

01:37:27.780 have

01:37:27.940 and then

01:37:28.960 comes

01:37:29.600 you know

01:37:30.660 Saul and

01:37:31.180 King David

01:37:31.660 and unites

01:37:32.180 the whole

01:37:32.480 right

01:37:32.800 right

01:37:33.340 right

01:37:33.680 well the

01:37:34.360 moral upshot

01:37:35.280 of the

01:37:35.520 story is

01:37:36.080 that in

01:37:36.420 the face

01:37:36.860 of the

01:37:37.160 challenges

01:37:37.520 of the

01:37:37.940 future

01:37:38.300 you're

01:37:38.720 required

01:37:39.160 to be

01:37:39.640 realistically

01:37:40.260 optimistic

01:37:40.900 right

01:37:41.760 it's a

01:37:42.080 moral requirement

01:37:43.120 yes

01:37:43.580 and that

01:37:43.960 yeah

01:37:44.240 yeah

01:37:44.520 I love

01:37:44.840 that term

01:37:45.260 realistically

01:37:45.920 optimistic

01:37:46.460 that's

01:37:47.600 that's

01:37:48.200 my way

01:37:48.820 in life

01:37:49.140 realistically

01:37:49.680 optimistic

01:37:50.220 the faith

01:37:50.980 the faith

01:37:51.720 element of

01:37:52.280 that is

01:37:52.700 that well

01:37:53.140 yes

01:37:53.440 of course

01:37:53.820 this is

01:37:54.200 going to

01:37:54.500 be

01:37:54.640 difficult

01:37:55.000 and challenging

01:37:55.620 and there

01:37:55.980 are ways

01:37:56.400 it could

01:37:56.720 go wrong

01:37:57.160 but if

01:37:57.500 we

01:37:57.720 maintain

01:37:58.500 our

01:37:58.760 covenant

01:37:59.120 with

01:37:59.460 God

01:37:59.800 and we

01:38:00.120 continue

01:38:00.480 to aim

01:38:00.940 upward

01:38:01.380 and act

01:38:01.840 appropriately

01:38:02.360 there's

01:38:03.140 no challenges

01:38:03.900 that we

01:38:04.400 can't

01:38:04.760 overcome

01:38:05.300 right

01:38:05.620 and that's

01:38:06.140 the right

01:38:06.500 thing to

01:38:06.840 teach young

01:38:07.320 people

01:38:07.540 realistic

01:38:08.520 optimistic

01:38:09.280 and one

01:38:10.440 other

01:38:11.360 element

01:38:11.920 action

01:38:12.780 oriented

01:38:13.340 the Bible

01:38:15.320 is all

01:38:16.240 about

01:38:16.480 action

01:38:17.000 it's

01:38:17.720 and generally

01:38:18.880 Judaism

01:38:19.540 this is

01:38:20.100 the Jewish

01:38:20.900 faith

01:38:21.620 cares little

01:38:23.040 about

01:38:23.400 your

01:38:23.740 feelings

01:38:24.360 so you

01:38:25.260 know

01:38:25.460 here and

01:38:26.320 there

01:38:26.480 there are

01:38:26.960 blips

01:38:27.480 but by

01:38:27.940 and large

01:38:28.520 you are

01:38:29.600 measured

01:38:29.960 by what

01:38:30.440 you do

01:38:30.800 not by

01:38:31.200 how you

01:38:31.560 feel

01:38:31.940 and if

01:38:33.100 you do

01:38:33.340 something

01:38:33.620 wrong

01:38:34.140 you can't

01:38:35.920 repent

01:38:36.420 just by

01:38:36.860 feeling

01:38:37.140 bad

01:38:37.600 or if

01:38:38.940 you see

01:38:39.180 a poor

01:38:39.580 person

01:38:40.320 you feel

01:38:41.060 for him

01:38:41.460 but if

01:38:41.760 you don't

01:38:42.100 act

01:38:42.540 it doesn't

01:38:43.220 count

01:38:43.700 it's

01:38:44.920 called

01:38:45.080 a mitzvah 0.62

01:38:45.680 a good

01:38:46.140 deed

01:38:46.420 and a

01:38:47.700 chit

01:38:48.040 which is

01:38:48.340 a bad

01:38:48.660 deed

01:38:48.880 that's what

01:38:50.600 I love

01:38:51.000 about

01:38:51.360 and what

01:38:53.200 I take

01:38:53.580 from

01:38:53.840 Judaism

01:38:54.320 primarily

01:38:54.860 is the

01:38:55.540 action

01:38:56.080 oriented

01:38:56.700 element

01:38:57.180 of it

01:38:57.520 it's

01:38:57.720 all about

01:38:58.240 doing

01:38:59.340 and not

01:39:00.600 just

01:39:00.840 pontificating

01:39:01.880 indication

01:39:03.920 of commitment

01:39:04.740 to faith

01:39:05.280 is manifested

01:39:06.140 in action

01:39:06.800 by the way

01:39:07.440 what the

01:39:08.540 Jews

01:39:08.900 responded

01:39:09.680 when

01:39:10.000 Moses

01:39:11.020 came down

01:39:11.920 with the

01:39:12.680 Ten Commandments

01:39:13.440 when they

01:39:14.600 didn't screw

01:39:15.060 up

01:39:15.280 right

01:39:15.540 they said

01:39:17.460 in Hebrew

01:39:18.040 it's called

01:39:18.420 we shall

01:39:19.800 do

01:39:20.160 and we

01:39:20.900 shall

01:39:21.100 listen

01:39:21.540 which is

01:39:22.560 a strange

01:39:22.980 thing

01:39:23.240 he tells

01:39:23.940 the rules

01:39:25.260 and they

01:39:25.640 said

01:39:25.920 we'll do

01:39:26.640 it

01:39:26.760 and we'll

01:39:27.080 listen

01:39:27.480 not we'll

01:39:28.220 listen

01:39:28.480 and we'll

01:39:28.800 do

01:39:29.040 and

01:39:30.120 that's

01:39:30.880 there's

01:39:32.020 a meaning

01:39:32.360 to it

01:39:33.180 and you

01:39:34.320 as a

01:39:35.240 you know

01:39:35.940 expert

01:39:36.840 in psychology

01:39:38.180 I think

01:39:39.940 the best

01:39:40.400 way to

01:39:41.260 inculcate

01:39:42.860 a habit

01:39:43.420 is by

01:39:44.780 doing it

01:39:45.280 just by

01:39:45.920 doing it

01:39:46.300 again and

01:39:46.740 again

01:39:47.040 it becomes

01:39:48.060 part of

01:39:48.440 you as

01:39:48.680 opposed to

01:39:49.320 teaching it

01:39:50.520 and that's

01:39:51.100 why

01:39:51.380 you know

01:39:52.000 my dad

01:39:52.720 didn't

01:39:53.840 talk

01:39:54.260 didn't

01:39:54.740 preach us

01:39:55.220 a lot

01:39:55.540 he just

01:39:55.920 did

01:39:56.280 and that's

01:39:57.160 how we

01:39:57.400 learned from

01:39:57.980 them

01:39:58.260 through

01:39:58.860 doing

01:39:59.340 and

01:40:00.060 so

01:40:00.560 you know

01:40:01.520 I have

01:40:02.380 a very

01:40:02.960 strong

01:40:03.780 inclination

01:40:04.400 to action

01:40:05.120 very little

01:40:06.360 patience

01:40:07.400 with people

01:40:08.120 who just

01:40:08.680 you know

01:40:10.140 talk about

01:40:12.580 it

01:40:12.900 so let's

01:40:14.200 close

01:40:14.680 I had

01:40:15.260 asked you

01:40:15.760 if there's

01:40:16.640 anything

01:40:16.900 in particular

01:40:17.540 you'd like

01:40:18.080 to say

01:40:18.520 to the

01:40:19.080 let's say

01:40:20.120 progressive

01:40:20.600 types

01:40:21.040 who are

01:40:21.600 agitating

01:40:22.560 on behalf

01:40:23.920 of Hamas

01:40:24.600 in the

01:40:25.200 United States

01:40:25.800 and the rest

01:40:26.240 of the West

01:40:26.720 like if you

01:40:27.640 were going

01:40:28.800 to say

01:40:29.100 something reasonable

01:40:29.980 to them

01:40:30.500 you know

01:40:30.780 what I mean

01:40:31.300 something that

01:40:31.860 isn't necessarily

01:40:32.600 finger wagging

01:40:33.520 wagging or

01:40:34.200 dismissive

01:40:34.980 to make a

01:40:35.840 case

01:40:36.200 how would

01:40:37.880 you explain

01:40:38.700 why what

01:40:42.600 they're doing

01:40:43.140 is misguided

01:40:44.100 well I would

01:40:45.380 start with

01:40:46.180 talking about

01:40:47.740 the state of

01:40:48.720 Israel

01:40:49.140 and its

01:40:51.060 beauty

01:40:51.580 in the

01:40:53.180 following sense

01:40:54.080 sometimes I

01:40:55.880 feel

01:40:56.300 that

01:40:57.360 Israel is

01:40:58.880 this

01:40:59.180 experiment

01:41:00.160 of God

01:41:01.620 or someone

01:41:02.540 that

01:41:03.720 puts us

01:41:04.840 smack in

01:41:05.580 in the

01:41:05.940 middle of

01:41:06.380 all the

01:41:07.160 worst

01:41:07.380 conditions

01:41:07.900 possible

01:41:08.360 in every

01:41:08.960 dimension

01:41:09.940 you know

01:41:10.400 no water

01:41:11.160 so he wants

01:41:12.040 to see how

01:41:12.480 we'll deal

01:41:13.140 with it

01:41:13.500 and we

01:41:14.120 generate

01:41:14.920 water

01:41:15.400 we have

01:41:16.400 the highest

01:41:16.760 rate in

01:41:17.260 the world

01:41:17.660 of

01:41:18.180 desalinated

01:41:19.880 water

01:41:20.280 and impressive

01:41:21.380 accomplishment

01:41:21.820 all right

01:41:22.440 and then

01:41:22.920 we've got

01:41:23.460 no oil

01:41:24.060 so we

01:41:24.680 have to

01:41:25.240 you know

01:41:27.420 mine

01:41:29.000 our

01:41:29.380 minds

01:41:30.140 right

01:41:30.660 and

01:41:31.080 and build

01:41:31.960 a knowledge

01:41:32.740 base

01:41:33.120 then he

01:41:34.340 puts the

01:41:34.840 craziest

01:41:35.520 enemies

01:41:36.280 around us

01:41:37.180 and we

01:41:37.620 gotta fight

01:41:38.400 and innovate

01:41:39.080 there

01:41:39.540 but then

01:41:40.580 he

01:41:41.460 plants them

01:41:42.360 amid

01:41:42.740 in this

01:41:44.160 asymmetric

01:41:44.880 terror

01:41:45.200 where they

01:41:45.680 embed

01:41:45.980 themselves

01:41:46.420 within

01:41:46.940 civilians

01:41:48.660 and he

01:41:49.540 tells the

01:41:50.400 Jews

01:41:50.620 you go 0.99

01:41:51.400 pave the

01:41:51.840 way

01:41:51.980 and show

01:41:52.300 everyone

01:41:52.740 how to

01:41:53.860 fight

01:41:54.260 terrorists

01:41:55.180 in the

01:41:55.480 most moral

01:41:56.020 way

01:41:56.300 possible

01:41:56.840 that's

01:41:57.480 what we're

01:41:57.740 doing

01:41:58.120 I don't

01:41:59.320 know who

01:41:59.640 did that

01:42:00.160 pager

01:42:00.820 thing

01:42:01.240 but whoever

01:42:01.920 did that

01:42:02.420 pager

01:42:02.680 thing

01:42:03.060 is the

01:42:04.360 single

01:42:04.660 most

01:42:05.140 pinpointed

01:42:08.080 way

01:42:09.140 because by

01:42:09.640 definition

01:42:10.180 only bad

01:42:11.680 guys got

01:42:12.080 the pagers

01:42:12.600 only commanders

01:42:13.660 in Hezbollah

01:42:14.340 got the

01:42:14.700 and you 1.00

01:42:16.600 kill them 1.00

01:42:17.060 and maim 1.00

01:42:17.440 them 1.00

01:42:17.740 so in a

01:42:19.240 sense we're

01:42:19.700 showing we're

01:42:20.720 sort of

01:42:21.240 trailblazers 0.98

01:42:22.120 of how

01:42:23.380 you operate

01:42:24.660 with good

01:42:25.200 morals in

01:42:26.080 the real

01:42:26.460 world not

01:42:27.080 in some

01:42:27.560 theoretical

01:42:28.540 university

01:42:31.860 world but

01:42:33.300 in the

01:42:33.540 real world

01:42:34.140 you know

01:42:35.340 we've got

01:42:36.380 rockets so

01:42:36.980 we innovate

01:42:38.340 the iron

01:42:38.920 dome the

01:42:39.480 next thing

01:42:39.980 is going

01:42:40.220 to be

01:42:40.480 laser and

01:42:42.020 I think

01:42:42.860 that our

01:42:44.460 destiny of

01:42:45.520 the state of

01:42:46.200 Israel first 1.00

01:42:46.740 is to be

01:42:47.160 strong and

01:42:47.720 be but

01:42:48.700 secondly we

01:42:49.840 are not

01:42:51.740 only startup

01:42:52.440 nation but

01:42:53.100 in a sense

01:42:53.820 a nation

01:42:56.360 that paves

01:42:56.860 the way

01:42:57.280 of solutions

01:42:58.300 to the

01:42:58.920 world's

01:42:59.240 biggest

01:42:59.440 problem

01:42:59.860 let me

01:43:00.160 let me

01:43:00.660 give you

01:43:00.860 one of

01:43:01.220 them

01:43:01.480 there's a

01:43:02.400 small

01:43:02.620 problem

01:43:03.140 you have

01:43:04.180 that iphone

01:43:04.700 over there

01:43:05.220 and we're

01:43:06.620 all addicted

01:43:07.140 to that

01:43:07.600 thing

01:43:07.960 and social

01:43:08.880 networks

01:43:09.340 and what's

01:43:10.960 happening to

01:43:11.440 the younger

01:43:11.780 generation

01:43:12.400 I want to

01:43:13.500 tell you about

01:43:13.940 this startup

01:43:15.720 that's dealing

01:43:17.160 with how do

01:43:17.980 we how do

01:43:18.860 we cut

01:43:20.300 that addiction

01:43:20.980 so it's

01:43:22.560 called

01:43:22.980 sabbath

01:43:24.000 it was

01:43:25.300 innovated

01:43:25.780 3300 years

01:43:27.220 ago

01:43:27.540 it's this

01:43:28.880 notion that

01:43:30.540 once a week

01:43:31.240 Friday afternoon

01:43:32.120 you turn off

01:43:33.780 all those

01:43:34.180 machines

01:43:34.680 you don't

01:43:36.520 use them

01:43:37.040 for 25

01:43:37.660 hours from

01:43:38.560 about 5

01:43:39.800 p.m. to

01:43:40.280 6 p.m.

01:43:41.060 saturday night

01:43:41.920 and you

01:43:43.060 you do this

01:43:43.660 peculiar thing

01:43:44.560 where you sit

01:43:45.220 with your

01:43:45.600 children at a

01:43:46.320 table

01:43:46.660 you do

01:43:48.240 kiddush 0.75

01:43:48.640 which is the

01:43:49.240 blessing

01:43:49.660 and you

01:43:50.160 talk about

01:43:50.940 things

01:43:51.780 you look

01:43:52.100 at your

01:43:52.340 children

01:43:52.760 you spend

01:43:53.700 two hours

01:43:54.460 at a long

01:43:55.680 dinner without

01:43:56.240 iphones

01:43:56.820 because you're

01:43:57.260 not allowed

01:43:57.680 to

01:43:57.940 and that's

01:43:59.120 an example

01:43:59.740 for how

01:44:01.620 we can use

01:44:03.440 the the

01:44:04.120 tenets of

01:44:04.740 of judaism 0.89

01:44:05.560 to help

01:44:06.840 tackle some

01:44:07.800 of the world's

01:44:08.400 biggest problems

01:44:09.220 and and

01:44:10.480 so if I

01:44:12.540 had to wrap

01:44:13.120 it up

01:44:13.380 what is

01:44:13.700 Israel

01:44:14.160 Israel is

01:44:15.580 the Jewish

01:44:15.940 state a

01:44:16.500 democratic

01:44:16.900 state

01:44:17.400 it's

01:44:18.600 10 million

01:44:19.720 really good

01:44:20.660 people

01:44:21.160 in very

01:44:22.680 tough

01:44:23.220 circumstances

01:44:24.040 who are

01:44:25.500 trying to

01:44:25.880 do their

01:44:26.320 best

01:44:26.820 to

01:44:27.200 flourish

01:44:29.200 and do

01:44:29.860 good

01:44:30.220 and

01:44:31.460 sitting

01:44:33.980 in

01:44:34.400 Berkeley

01:44:35.180 or in

01:44:36.520 Harvard

01:44:37.020 and

01:44:37.560 you know

01:44:38.980 second guessing

01:44:39.700 us when we're

01:44:40.400 fighting these 0.97

01:44:41.080 crazy people

01:44:41.900 we saw what 0.88

01:44:43.120 they want to

01:44:43.560 do on

01:44:43.880 October 7th

01:44:44.880 we had a

01:44:45.460 preview of

01:44:46.180 what would

01:44:46.460 happen in

01:44:46.880 all of

01:44:47.260 Israel

01:44:47.540 it would

01:44:47.840 be a

01:44:48.500 second

01:44:48.820 Shoah

01:44:49.360 a second

01:44:50.100 holocaust 0.90

01:44:50.800 if we lay

01:44:51.980 down our

01:44:52.440 arms

01:44:52.760 if we're

01:44:53.100 soft

01:44:53.520 if we

01:44:53.840 don't have

01:44:54.760 any margin

01:44:55.280 of error

01:44:55.760 as a

01:44:56.540 prime minister

01:44:57.120 that was

01:44:57.500 the one

01:44:57.840 thing that

01:44:58.360 I realized

01:44:59.900 that you

01:45:00.700 know I

01:45:01.060 need to

01:45:01.580 govern a

01:45:02.180 country

01:45:02.580 fine

01:45:03.000 but the

01:45:04.000 first and

01:45:04.860 foremost

01:45:05.120 thing is

01:45:05.580 that we

01:45:05.920 are under

01:45:06.480 existential

01:45:07.060 threat all

01:45:07.680 the time

01:45:08.260 we have

01:45:08.980 no second

01:45:09.700 chances

01:45:10.720 so

01:45:11.840 give us

01:45:14.420 that slack

01:45:14.880 we're not

01:45:15.200 a perfect

01:45:15.620 nation

01:45:16.020 we're

01:45:16.280 imperfect

01:45:16.720 we've got

01:45:17.340 our flaws

01:45:18.540 but we're 0.89

01:45:19.380 trying darn

01:45:19.920 good to

01:45:20.300 be strong

01:45:22.140 and to

01:45:22.540 be good

01:45:22.940 and that's

01:45:24.240 commendable

01:45:24.900 and stop

01:45:26.900 you know

01:45:28.740 stop this

01:45:29.460 anti-Semitism

01:45:30.240 and this hate

01:45:31.100 against this

01:45:31.760 wonderful country

01:45:32.620 all right

01:45:34.340 sir

01:45:34.640 well it was

01:45:35.500 good talking

01:45:36.000 to you

01:45:36.240 thank you

01:45:36.580 very much

01:45:36.980 much appreciated

01:45:38.040 much appreciated

01:45:39.140 yeah

01:45:39.900 yeah well

01:45:40.580 and good

01:45:40.960 luck sorting

01:45:41.520 out your

01:45:41.880 internal

01:45:42.240 divisions

01:45:42.760 oh yeah

01:45:43.220 yes

01:45:43.660 that's the

01:45:44.160 next big

01:45:45.940 challenge

01:45:46.360 yeah

01:45:46.640 I don't

01:45:47.480 know yet

01:45:47.860 how we're

01:45:48.240 going to

01:45:48.460 tackle it

01:45:49.000 but we're

01:45:49.740 going to

01:45:50.060 have to

01:45:50.340 find a

01:45:50.680 solution

01:45:50.860 yeah well

01:45:51.140 you can

01:45:51.540 at least

01:45:51.960 start by

01:45:53.500 reminding

01:45:53.920 everybody

01:45:54.400 what they

01:45:54.800 have in

01:45:55.160 common

01:45:55.480 so and

01:45:56.480 how important

01:45:57.020 that is

01:45:57.540 that's a

01:45:57.760 good point

01:45:58.140 yeah

01:45:58.400 yeah well

01:45:59.020 we've been

01:45:59.360 starting to

01:45:59.800 do that

01:46:00.120 sort of

01:46:00.420 thing

01:46:00.640 in the

01:46:00.960 US

01:46:01.220 and in

01:46:01.580 Canada

01:46:01.880 and trying

01:46:02.960 to identify

01:46:03.580 the core

01:46:04.080 set of

01:46:04.480 values and

01:46:05.080 beliefs that

01:46:05.660 unite everyone

01:46:06.500 and there

01:46:07.280 are plenty

01:46:07.700 of them

01:46:08.120 you know

01:46:08.440 and that's

01:46:08.840 what defines

01:46:09.400 a nation

01:46:09.840 so all

01:46:10.620 right so

01:46:10.960 for everybody

01:46:11.460 watching and

01:46:12.160 listening I'm

01:46:12.800 going to

01:46:13.100 continue this

01:46:13.740 discussion as

01:46:15.000 I always do

01:46:15.560 on the daily

01:46:16.040 wire side

01:46:16.620 and I think

01:46:17.040 I'll walk

01:46:18.140 Mr. Bennett

01:46:18.860 through his

01:46:19.260 autobiographical

01:46:20.020 history and

01:46:20.780 talk more

01:46:21.360 about well

01:46:22.340 his experiences

01:46:23.300 running his

01:46:24.200 companies and

01:46:24.880 his transition

01:46:25.520 into the

01:46:26.320 political realm

01:46:27.020 and then also

01:46:28.340 I'd like to

01:46:29.580 expand on that

01:46:30.660 personal narrative

01:46:31.500 to discuss a

01:46:33.440 little bit about

01:46:34.120 the conditions

01:46:35.040 that have made

01:46:36.020 for Israel's

01:46:37.420 remarkable

01:46:38.000 economic and

01:46:38.840 military success

01:46:39.740 particularly over

01:46:40.560 the last couple

01:46:41.180 of decades

01:46:41.640 so if you

01:46:42.520 want to join

01:46:42.940 us for that

01:46:43.400 on the daily

01:46:43.840 wire side

01:46:44.440 that's where

01:46:45.360 the discussion

01:46:45.880 is heading

01:46:46.420 thank you very

01:46:47.700 much sir

01:46:48.220 and to the

01:46:49.120 film crew

01:46:49.620 here in

01:46:50.600 LA today

01:46:51.520 for making

01:46:52.020 the second

01:46:52.560 podcast of

01:46:53.340 the day

01:46:53.620 possible

01:46:54.040 that's much

01:46:54.600 appreciated

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast - October 07, 2024

487. The Islamic Republic of Terror： Hezbollah & Hamas ｜ Naftali Bennett

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