The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast - 495. The CIA, Corruption, and the Biden Heirs ｜ Miranda Devine

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00:00:30.000 Hello, everybody.

00:00:46.020 So I had the opportunity today to speak once again to Miranda Devine.

00:00:50.400 Now, you may remember and you may not that I spoke to Miranda about her last book, Laptop from Hell.

00:00:56.780 She has a new one called The Big Guy, which continues her documentation of the Biden family and deep state saga.

00:01:05.160 Miranda is a journalist for the New York Post and she broke the laptop story,

00:01:10.800 which was very rapidly dismissed as Russian misinformation by a cabal of ex-intelligence agents and operatives

00:01:20.480 and was also suppressed on Twitter and Facebook and other venues.

00:01:27.600 And Miranda has continued her work investigating the machinations of the deep state in her new book, The Big Guy.

00:01:34.980 And so that's what we talked about today.

00:01:37.100 That and Trump derangement syndrome and the role of the legacy media, the transforming role of the legacy media,

00:01:45.060 the role of the New York Post in being an advocate for center right, genuine journalism.

00:01:52.440 So join us for that.

00:01:54.540 So, Miranda, we spoke about a year ago.

00:02:00.460 I think I released our first podcast on the 4th of October and that was Laptop from Hell,

00:02:06.220 which, you know, was a catchy title.

00:02:08.840 And I thought after delving through your book, delving into your book and through the associated material online,

00:02:17.020 that that was a pretty appropriate title.

00:02:20.440 It tells a pretty, it tells an appalling story, all things considered,

00:02:24.780 and one that hasn't produced nearly as much scandal as it should have,

00:02:29.340 especially given the intelligence community's insistence,

00:02:34.120 that infamous document of 51 signatories claiming that that was Russian disinformation.

00:02:39.640 I really thought that was the crooked most, that was the crookedest political move that I've seen in the American landscape in my entire lifetime.

00:02:48.040 That was appalling.

00:02:49.100 And now you have a new book, The Big Guy.

00:02:51.460 And so I thought it'd be real interesting to have you walk us through that.

00:02:58.640 First thing I'd like to ask maybe is, you know, obviously Biden has been sidelined

00:03:04.680 and we could talk about that in some detail because what the hell?

00:03:08.360 Well, and so viewers might be interested first in, well, why, you know, why should we bother with this?

00:03:17.320 Because he's now a bit player in a defunct drama.

00:03:21.640 And so why don't you start with that and then let's move into the book per se.

00:03:27.300 Yeah, thanks, Jordan.

00:03:28.480 Look, it's important because the very same people, that sort of unaccountable cabal of the intelligence community,

00:03:37.160 the CIA, the FBI, the State Department and so on that have protected Joe Biden for so long

00:03:44.140 and his family from the consequences of their greed are the same people who are propping up Kamala Harris now.

00:03:51.960 And you see that because there is an overlap between the signatories of that dirty 51 letter that you just mentioned

00:04:00.640 from the former intelligence officials falsely claiming that the laptop was a Russian disinformation operation.

00:04:09.720 There's about nine of them who also signed onto a letter claiming that Kamala Harris was the most capable

00:04:19.800 and serious contender for Commander-in-Chief.

00:04:24.660 So let's talk about some of the markers of success.

00:04:29.860 Money, fame, power.

00:04:34.960 Fame in and of itself is not a bad marker for success.

00:04:39.820 Not everyone who's famous is useful and not everyone who isn't famous is useless.

00:04:44.640 Why is there a small percentage of hyper-successful men who are willing to sacrifice everything in pursuit of that success?

00:04:58.840 It's like if you intervene at the right time, you don't need to use power.

00:05:03.800 Success is not a place you get to and stay.

00:05:07.640 It also integrates the idea of the journey and the idea of the destination.

00:05:12.020 And so there now you have a definition of success.

00:05:32.380 Okay, so what do you make of this?

00:05:35.220 And why should we inform ourselves about the extent of the Biden family's misdoing?

00:05:43.400 Like once he's out of office, his family is off the national and international stage.

00:05:52.140 We're going to turn our attention either to a Harris presidency, God preserve us, 0.57

00:05:57.000 or to a Trump presidency, which will be devastatingly interesting.

00:06:02.040 Let's put it that way.

00:06:03.760 Okay, so tell us about those signatories, those additional nine.

00:06:09.100 Tell us what you make of the shadowy figures, so to speak.

00:06:15.880 It always sounds like a right-wing conspiracy, doesn't it, that surround the Biden presidency

00:06:20.420 and that would be influential with regards to a Harris presidency.

00:06:25.600 Tell us what you make of that and what you've discovered.

00:06:27.680 Well, the biggest story, I think, just like in Watergate, is the story of the cover-up and who's

00:06:34.020 behind it.

00:06:35.020 And I think the best way of seeing who they are and what their agenda is, is to look at

00:06:42.620 the comparative presidencies and particularly in foreign policy of Joe Biden and Donald Trump

00:06:48.760 and even Barack Obama, I think the agenda of this cabal, what the Obama people used to call the blob,

00:06:58.300 which was the CIA, the Pentagon and the State Department, what Donald Trump calls the deep state.

00:07:04.060 These people view Donald Trump as an existential threat, not to America or democracy, as we're

00:07:12.980 always told, but to them and their power and control over the presidency, which they have

00:07:19.520 enjoyed for a long time.

00:07:21.060 Certainly, you can see it in their foreign policy agenda that was run by Obama and Biden.

00:07:28.020 When Donald Trump came in, he, just as a property developer from Queens, approached every problem

00:07:33.740 that way from first principles using logic and common sense.

00:07:38.760 And so, he did the same with foreign policy.

00:07:41.300 He saw a problem.

00:07:42.920 What's the most effective and efficient way of dealing with it?

00:07:47.580 And for example, when he first arrived in the White House, he had a meeting with Barack

00:07:52.820 Obama, who told him the biggest problem facing the United States is North Korea, because they 0.98

00:07:59.060 keep on setting off these sort of nuclear tests.

00:08:02.920 And so, Donald Trump set about fixing that, and he was mocked mercilessly for his bromance

00:08:09.440 with Kim Jong-un and for calling him Little Rocket Man and so on.

00:08:15.260 But it worked.

00:08:16.200 And he successfully charmed or threatened Kim Jong-un, and Kim Jong-un was in his box. 0.56

00:08:23.620 Similarly, with Vladimir Putin, you didn't see Putin invading his neighbours like he did

00:08:29.920 under Obama and like he did under Biden immediately.

00:08:34.720 With Donald Trump, he was also in his box.

00:08:38.260 And Trump was sort of belligerent and charming at the same time with Putin.

00:08:43.720 And he tells the story of saying to Putin something along the lines of, you know, I like those

00:08:48.840 golden domes in Moscow.

00:08:50.940 Shame if something happened to them.

00:08:53.060 And Putin and the other gangsters around the world, like President Xi, weren't quite sure

00:08:58.840 what to make of Trump.

00:09:00.520 You know, he wielded, obviously, the mightiest military in the world.

00:09:04.460 And was he crazy enough, you know, unpredictable, he seemed, to actually follow through on his

00:09:12.500 threats.

00:09:13.140 And he did in, you know, he talks about peace through strength, but he was not afraid to

00:09:19.240 use strength.

00:09:20.280 He wiped out Soleimani, the Iranian tough guy.

00:09:24.220 Iran, for instance, was on its knees under Trump.

00:09:29.980 They were broke.

00:09:31.560 They weren't able to fund these proxies to go and attack Israel like they did last October

00:09:37.680 7.

00:09:39.120 And, of course, as soon as Joe Biden came in, they enriched Iran, reanimated the Iran nuclear 0.91

00:09:45.840 deal that Donald Trump had wisely kiboshed.

00:09:49.000 And, you know, they're off to the races.

00:09:52.120 So Trump managed to neutralise Iran.

00:09:55.880 ISIS was a huge problem. 1.00

00:09:57.980 People forget.

00:09:58.880 But we saw these horrific videos of ISIS, you know, burning alive a Jordanian pilot in an

00:10:07.300 orange jumpsuit in a cage, killing other people in these most horrific and torturing ways

00:10:14.480 for public consumption, lowering a cage into a swimming pool with, I think, two. 0.99

00:10:19.880 Jordanians in it, beheading Americans. 1.00

00:10:23.980 Just horrible. 0.88

00:10:25.660 And Donald Trump vanquished ISIS, never got much credit for it because we all forgot that

00:10:32.060 ISIS ever existed.

00:10:34.100 And in the Middle East, he had the glimmerings of peace that had eluded so many presidents

00:10:40.260 before him with the Abraham Accords, for which he never really got much credit either.

00:10:45.440 So just in this practical, no-nonsense way, he did better on the world stage than his predecessors

00:10:53.980 and Joe Biden.

00:10:55.620 But that earned him the enmity of this cabal because he was not following their agenda.

00:11:03.360 And that's because Donald Trump is uncontrollable.

00:11:08.320 And that's his great strength and maybe his weakness as well.

00:11:12.620 He's always been uncontrollable.

00:11:14.640 Even as a child, he talks about, he calls himself rambunctious and says that his parents

00:11:21.080 at one point sent him to aptitude testing to, in his words, find out what's wrong with him.

00:11:27.280 And his father was quite disappointed with the results.

00:11:33.840 Well, he's very assertive.

00:11:36.100 He's a very assertive person.

00:11:37.920 He's very extroverted and he's very high in openness and he's somewhat disagreeable.

00:11:43.220 And so he's going to be a handful as a kid because all of that means headstrong, highly

00:11:50.300 active.

00:11:51.300 And that can be bad and that can be good.

00:11:53.840 It depends on how well it's socialized.

00:11:55.940 And my sense with Trump is that he's relatively compassionate despite his low politeness and

00:12:02.740 that he also has a pretty vicious work ethic.

00:12:05.640 And so those are useful traits.

00:12:08.820 So this cabal that you're describing, do you want to, why don't you walk us through the

00:12:14.100 makeup of that and also the motivations?

00:12:16.820 Who is it?

00:12:17.600 And what are their motivations?

00:12:18.840 Well, I know, for example, that the people who formulated the Abraham Accords faced an 0.62

00:12:26.640 awful lot of, well, certainly skepticism and perhaps outright resistance from the State

00:12:32.260 Department because the received wisdom at the State Department was, well, first of all,

00:12:38.000 that such an agreement was impossible.

00:12:39.460 And second of all, that it was particularly impossible if it didn't include Palestine because

00:12:46.080 Palestine had to be first and foremost in any peace agreement.

00:12:51.140 And that just turned out to be complete bloody nonsense.

00:12:54.440 And so, okay.

00:12:56.140 So the cabal, who is it?

00:12:58.120 And then what is it that you think they're protecting or attempting to accomplish for themselves?

00:13:06.500 I'm very curious, for example, about your understanding of the Russia-Ukraine war because

00:13:12.120 there's untold tens of billions of dollars being dumped into that state.

00:13:16.640 And anyone with any sense understands at minimum, regardless of their stance with regard to the

00:13:22.140 war, that Ukraine was one of the most corrupt states in Europe, which is really saying something 0.99

00:13:27.700 because there was plenty of corruption there.

00:13:29.880 And God only knows where that money is going, seriously.

00:13:33.300 And so let's walk through the cabal.

00:13:37.320 You mentioned actors in a general sense, the CIA, the Pentagon, perhaps the FBI.

00:13:45.520 Who are these people and what is it that they want?

00:13:50.840 That's a great question.

00:13:52.020 And I never have got to the bottom of it.

00:13:54.160 I just have a vague sense, just pulling back, for instance, the way that they have expended

00:14:03.100 so much energy in demonising Russia and while taking their eyes off China, at least the public

00:14:11.280 eyes off China.

00:14:12.400 I can only think that considering that Russia, you know, as a tiny GDP is really not a threat 0.90

00:14:19.120 to the United States, whereas China is and is aggressively imperialistic in its actions and

00:14:28.680 that the Bidens were in fact part of the Belt and Road Initiative, which is President Xi's imperialist

00:14:37.300 plan to, I guess, take over the world or at least to ensnare small countries in debt traps and plunder

00:14:47.040 their minerals and extend his influence.

00:14:51.660 And as he's doing aggressively in the South China, in the South China Sea, militarising those

00:14:57.920 islands, Joe Biden as vice president was actually supposedly meant to stop that and stop China

00:15:06.100 from stealing America's intellectual property.

00:15:09.300 And instead, when he went to Beijing in December of 2013, he brought along his son, Hunter, and

00:15:16.360 the Chinese knew exactly what that was about.

00:15:20.180 He's there to do private business.

00:15:22.420 And none of the aims that Joe Biden should have had on behalf of America were accomplished,

00:15:30.120 but Hunter Biden certainly made money out of that trip.

00:15:34.640 So, and he was given 10% of a Chinese company.

00:15:37.660 So, I feel that there is a reason that they don't want the American people to be focused

00:15:44.580 on China as a threat, which it is. 0.99

00:15:47.380 And so, when I say the cabal or the blob, the CIA, the Pentagon, the FBI, the Department

00:15:56.020 of State, the Department of Justice, and in the Hunter Biden investigation case, the IRS were

00:16:03.160 all involved in the protection of Joe Biden, but I think also in the grooming of Joe Biden

00:16:09.020 very early on when he came into the Senate at the age of 30 as a very green person without

00:16:16.840 much foreign policy experience.

00:16:18.820 He was really just a small-time grifter from Delaware, but a man on the make and very ambitious

00:16:26.200 for himself.

00:16:27.200 And so, I think he's not hugely intelligent.

00:16:32.060 So, the fact that he was identified early on and placed on the most powerful committee

00:16:39.060 in the Senate, which was the Foreign Relations Committee, where for a decade, he was either

00:16:44.320 chairman or ranking member, you know, as his career evolved.

00:16:48.420 I think that there were powerful mentors behind him who decided that, like maybe Tim Walz, that

00:16:56.680 he was someone worth cultivating who would be a useful puppet for them in the future.

00:17:02.700 And like Tim Walz, that very young Senator Biden went to China.

00:17:09.120 He was wined and dined there on the equivalent of Martha's Vineyard by the leading lights of

00:17:16.260 the CCP and came back just full of admiration and waxing lyrical about how wonderful China

00:17:22.440 was, just as Tim Walz did, and to such an extent that the Weekly Standard thought that 0.85

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00:18:49.300 So maybe it is that they want to make us look at Russia as the existential threat, which is 0.62

00:18:58.660 preposterous, and forget that China is there.

00:19:01.820 Which makes me think that there is a substantial amount of money.

00:19:05.900 Wall Street is involved in this cabal, that their interests are being served.

00:19:11.700 And, you know, RFK Jr. and others talk about the military-industrial complex and the money

00:19:19.260 that they get out of pursuing these foreign wars.

00:19:22.180 When it comes to Russia and Ukraine, you know, the people that were protecting Joe Biden in

00:19:31.920 this, the blob, they turned a blind eye to his corruption.

00:19:37.160 He was, as vice president, flying into Kiev regularly and lecturing the Ukrainians on the

00:19:44.840 evils of corruption.

00:19:45.840 But the Ukrainian people knew that his son was sitting on the board of Burisma, the most

00:19:51.380 corrupt company in the most corrupt country in Europe.

00:19:56.560 And so his words obviously were hollow.

00:20:02.200 Hunter Biden was being paid a million dollars a year by this energy company, despite the fact

00:20:07.940 that he was, at the time, had a raging crack addiction and didn't have any expertise in

00:20:14.720 the energy field or really much else.

00:20:17.500 So, you know, it seems that the quid pro quo for Joe to do the bidding of the blob, and

00:20:25.360 he was very much a warmonger throughout his history in the Senate and the Foreign Relations

00:20:31.120 Committee.

00:20:32.300 He was, you know, wanting to bomb Yugoslavia.

00:20:36.960 He was always about enlarging NATO, having particularly Georgia and Ukraine join NATO,

00:20:42.780 which was a deep provocation to the Russians.

00:20:45.840 And, you know, Vladimir Putin has been very explicit about the way Russia views that NATO

00:20:53.020 enlargement as being a provocation to war.

00:20:58.040 So Joe Biden was happy to go along with all these things.

00:21:03.660 And I feel like the quid pro quo for him and his family was that they were allowed to get

00:21:08.880 a little backsheesh along the way.

00:21:11.160 So do you have any sense of the extent of the Biden family wealth holdings?

00:21:18.180 I mean, I don't remember if I gathered this information from your book on the laptop, but

00:21:25.320 perhaps I did.

00:21:26.500 My understanding is that the Bidens have surrounded themselves with a very complex network of shell

00:21:33.860 companies and that much money from foreign business dealings has been shunted through.

00:21:41.160 those companies and that that involves extended members of the Biden family, most particularly,

00:21:47.840 I guess this all centers at least to some degree on Hunter.

00:21:51.500 And so what have you found out about the extent of the Biden family foreign holdings?

00:21:57.860 And then I guess I'm also curious as to what either implicit or explicit laws have been

00:22:06.100 violated in consequence of this additional financial activity.

00:22:10.140 I mean, it's, it was strange to me, of course, going through laptop from hell to understand

00:22:18.100 that Hunter Biden had come along with his father on his foreign affairs voyages.

00:22:27.020 I thought that was strange for two reasons.

00:22:30.380 His first reason being, Hunter was not exactly behaving in an admirable manner at that point with regards to his personal habits, let's say.

00:22:41.560 But that is, and so that was unwise for someone in the position of Joe to Brooke.

00:22:48.980 If his son hadn't cleaned up his act personally and was all, you know, crack and hookers, maybe he wasn't the appropriate companion for businesses or for trips that involved extraordinarily high stakes for the American people and the world.

00:23:08.100 And then second, like, why, how in the world is it that business is being conducted at the same time?

00:23:15.300 And so what's your sense of that?

00:23:17.700 Let's talk about the holdings first.

00:23:19.780 Like, what sort of amounts of money are we speaking about over what period of time?

00:23:24.320 And then, well, what do you, what do you see as relevant with regards to the ethical and legal issues here?

00:23:31.100 Well, I'll take my information from the Republican investigation in the House, the impeachment investigation of Joe Biden.

00:23:42.320 And they had subpoena power.

00:23:45.080 They had the suspicious activity reports from all the banks.

00:23:48.720 So they did quite a good job of following the money trail during Joe's vice presidency.

00:23:54.240 And they found around about $30 million, not a huge amount of money for really having a president who's compromised, certainly in the eyes of China.

00:24:05.440 And so, you know, there may be more, but they didn't find it.

00:24:11.100 And, you know, for Joe Biden himself, there was really very little.

00:24:15.920 They found two checks for $200,000, which were about 10% of a deal that Jim Biden had been involved with, with Hunter, a couple of deals.

00:24:27.420 And so that was interesting because among the emails on the laptop is an email that talks about divvying up the equity in one particular Chinese deal.

00:24:39.840 And they talk about 10% for the big guy, which was the nickname or the code name that Hunter Biden's business partners used for Joe Biden.

00:24:49.300 And so these two $200,000 checks, they came from Jim Biden in a very convoluted fashion to Joe Biden.

00:25:00.060 And they were sort of, the money was deposited into Jim Biden's account.

00:25:05.040 And then his wife took it out, moved it to another account, took it in cash, put it into a check. 0.76

00:25:10.040 It was, it was, it looked as if someone is trying to cover their tracks.

00:25:15.480 Finally, there's a check written out to Joe Biden.

00:25:18.060 And in the memo line, it says loan repayment.

00:25:22.100 And the Republicans, the Republican investigators were never able to prove that it was anything other than a loan.

00:25:28.740 The White House maintained that Joe Biden had lent his brother, Jim Biden, who was always falling on hard times,

00:25:36.000 lent him money because he was being generous and that Jim Biden just repaid that money as he should have.

00:25:41.900 So I can't say any more than that, other than there is some evidence on the laptop that I mentioned in the first book that Hunter Biden was funding Joe Biden,

00:25:54.460 that he was paying some of his bills for the sort of maintenance and upkeep of his estate in Delaware.

00:26:00.600 Things like a painting and putting in a retaining wall and new air conditioning in a cottage on the grounds, new shutters, those sort of bills, you know, a few thousand here and a few thousand there.

00:26:13.700 And the only other thing I could find was that Hunter Biden was paying for a cell phone of Joe Biden's paying for the bill.

00:26:22.740 So, you know, apart from that, I think Joe Biden was financially benefiting because the money that Hunter Biden was getting from various sources,

00:26:34.660 including from Joe Biden's Delaware donors, was being used to pay family bills that otherwise Joe Biden might have been liable for,

00:26:44.180 like, for instance, to Hunter Biden's tuition and also his brother Beau's tuition at university, which Hunter complained bitterly about having to pay.

00:26:56.440 Okay, so the evidence directly linking Joe to untrackable payments, let's say, is relatively trivial by your own testimony.

00:27:09.720 This $30 million that you referred to, what exactly is that?

00:27:17.300 So that would be around $20 million or, you know, $20 to $25 million from China, mainly from this company, CEFC,

00:27:27.460 which was the capitalist arm of the Belt and Road Initiative.

00:27:31.340 It was an energy company in China.

00:27:34.120 And Hunter Biden and his business partners,

00:27:37.160 Hunter was sort of actually seemed that he'd been scouted and groomed by CEFC from a couple of different directions.

00:27:46.100 They targeted him through a parent at his daughter's school on the one hand.

00:27:53.400 And so he and his business partners in the last two years of Joe Biden's vice presidency were doing work for CEFC around the world in sort of opening doors.

00:28:05.800 Because by that stage, the Belt and Road Initiative was a little on the nose and the countries were reluctant to take China's money because they had seen how other countries had been sort of damaged and compromised by China.

00:28:26.060 So having the Biden name, Joe Biden, the esteemed vice president, having his name attached in joint ventures with CEFC was very beneficial for them and allowed them to make inroads into countries where the Chinese alone might otherwise have had a problem.

00:28:44.060 So now the payments, apart from, actually, no, even the diamonds, the payments, including a diamond to Hunter Biden, were only paid after Joe Biden left to the vice presidency.

00:29:00.480 Okay.

00:29:00.900 So where does the $30 million end up?

00:29:03.920 So some of it has gone to various other family members.

00:29:09.060 Jim Biden got some.

00:29:10.940 Hallie Biden, Hunter Biden's lover, the widow of his brother, Beau.

00:29:18.200 You know, various other family members got it. 0.98

00:29:20.060 But mostly it went up Hunter Biden's nose or down his throat with the crack pipe, the hookers and so on. 0.94

00:29:26.340 He really squandered that money. 0.94

00:29:28.840 He had enormous alimony payments to his ex-wife as well.

00:29:32.400 I guess it went to pay that.

00:29:34.140 His very lavish lifestyle.

00:29:35.940 He's always, you know, lived high on the hog.

00:29:39.000 He, you know, he would have long benders at Chateau Marmont in L.A. 0.98

00:29:45.700 So, I mean, he just squandered the money.

00:29:48.440 I think some of the money, there's a company called BHR that early in Joe Biden's vice presidency, that was the 10% stake that Hunter Biden got on that trip to Beijing with his father on Air Force Two.

00:30:01.940 In December of 2013, that may be worth several million dollars.

00:30:06.680 We're not quite sure how much.

00:30:08.200 But Hunter had to hand over ownership of that to Kevin Morris, the mysterious Hollywood attorney who Hunter's business partners call the Sugar Brother, who really funded Hunter Biden's lifestyle in the last few years from 2020.

00:30:27.280 He paid off a lot of the problems that Hunter had that would have damaged Joe Biden's campaign, like his ex-wife was not getting paid, like paying off the IRS.

00:30:38.620 His ex-wife had liens on her property and also she couldn't get a passport because of these IRS problems. 0.92

00:30:47.240 So Kevin Morris managed to pay that off and also funded the child support that Hunter had to pay to a woman in Arkansas who had his baby and had to file a paternity suit to prove through DNA that it was Hunter's son.

00:31:04.500 And then had to sue him for child support and the ex-wife's problems and the baby mama's problems were both set to blow up in 2020 and the end of 2019 and damaged Joe Biden's campaign.

00:31:21.240 So Kevin Morris comes in, you know, the knight in shining armor and takes care of all these problems so they never become an issue for Joe Biden.

00:31:30.000 And he continued to fund Hunter Biden until just recently to the tune of he's testified, Kevin Morris, about six million dollars and he calls it a loan to Hunter Biden.

00:31:42.520 But I'm looking at it, I mean, it could be as much as 10 million dollars.

00:31:46.340 So the money is garnered through these backroom deals with foreign companies and then fundamentally squandered.

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00:32:26.340 Squandered apart from this little BHR amount, we don't know how much it's worth, but now Kevin Morris owns BHR.

00:32:33.120 So I suppose that's a down payment on all the money that he's given or loaned to Hunter.

00:32:38.460 But the other interesting thing about Kevin Morris is that when the IRS investigators looking into Hunter Biden's business dealings wanted to interview Kevin Morris and also there was an FBI investigation into whether the money that Kevin had given to Hunter was in violation of federal election laws,

00:33:02.460 because it was a donation in kind, potentially to Joe Biden's campaign, whenever they tried to look into Kevin Morris, the prosecutors told them no.

00:33:15.620 And finally, the IRS investigators were told by their prosecution team that the CIA had intervened, had summoned the prosecutors to Langley CIA headquarters and told them that Kevin Morris was off limits as a witness, that they couldn't interview him.

00:33:32.840 And what were the grounds for that?

00:33:34.800 Do you have any idea?

00:33:36.560 No idea.

00:33:37.580 It's very odd.

00:33:38.880 But the only thing is that the CIA is always a shadowy presence in this Biden tale of corruption.

00:33:47.560 Wherever Hunter Biden falls into peril, this sort of invisible hand reaches in to save him.

00:33:56.940 A couple of his business partners were approached to work for the CIA.

00:34:01.520 Devon Archer tells me this, to work for the CIA, I guess makes sense.

00:34:05.880 It's, you know, they were travelling around the world, liaising with people the CIA was interested in.

00:34:13.820 Hunter Biden, before he joined the Burisma board, was placed on the board of a CIA cutout.

00:34:22.740 It's called the NDI.

00:34:24.240 It's the democratic arm of an outfit called the National Endowment for Democracy, which is very strange.

00:34:31.240 He put that on his resume.

00:34:33.260 He boasted about it.

00:34:35.920 And it's rather peculiar because it is a prestigious position.

00:34:39.900 And I presume it's because of his father.

00:34:42.040 But I always wondered if it was sort of to signal that he was under the protection of the CIA when he was travelling around Ukraine.

00:34:51.580 I mean, he never went to Ukraine, but when he was involved with people in Ukraine.

00:34:55.000 And so the CIA's involvement in a lot of this story just pops up and is intriguing.

00:35:05.360 We talked about the Dirty 51 letter from the 51 former intelligence officials.

00:35:12.100 42 of them are ex-CIA.

00:35:15.160 In fact, many of them still are active contractors, even if they've retired.

00:35:19.560 And that letter was instigated by Antony Blinken, who now is the Secretary of State, but at that point was a senior campaign official for Joe Biden.

00:35:34.180 And he called a guy called Mike Morell, who had been acting director of the CIA and was hoping to be CIA director under Joe Biden.

00:35:45.080 And Morell has testified that Antony Blinken put the idea for writing the letter into his brain.

00:35:53.380 We know that because Mike Morell has testified to that.

00:35:57.060 Antony Blinken denies it.

00:35:59.060 But Mike Morell has said under oath that he never had the idea until Antony Blinken called him.

00:36:05.520 And in fact, there is an email that was procured by the congressional investigators from Antony Blinken a few hours after the phone call to Mike Morell.

00:36:17.160 And it was a USA Today article, which was anonymously sourced, probably from the same people that signed the letter, claiming that Hunter Biden's laptop was Russian disinformation.

00:36:29.340 And so it was obvious to Mike Morell what he had to do.

00:36:32.620 Okay, so let's go down that rabbit hole for a minute.

00:36:38.480 You know, Trump has been claiming since the last election that the election was stolen.

00:36:46.800 And the court cases that have made themselves manifest in consequence of his investigations have generally found against him, at least at the local level.

00:37:01.040 And so it seems to me that he diagnosed the problem correctly, but specified the level of corruption poorly.

00:37:10.040 Now, this is my understanding of the situation.

00:37:13.060 And so you tell me if you think I've got it right.

00:37:16.800 So Twitter censored the New York Post when the laptop story was broken.

00:37:25.580 And that was a big deal because it was – and Facebook.

00:37:30.080 And that was very close to the election.

00:37:32.160 And that was a very damning laptop.

00:37:35.300 And so we don't know what effect on the election, which was a very close election, that censorship had.

00:37:43.060 But we do know that the censorship occurred.

00:37:45.040 And we know that those laptops were real.

00:37:46.980 And we know that these 51 people signed a letter claiming that that was all Russian disinformation.

00:37:54.940 Which – and that word, by the way, that's a word I hate, disinformation and misinformation.

00:37:58.900 I think that those words – anybody who uses those words to indicate the presence of untrustworthy information is immediately suspect in my eyes.

00:38:09.540 Because those are propagandistic weasel words of the highest possible order.

00:38:14.420 Misinformation and disinformation.

00:38:16.420 It's like, first of all, who the hell decides that?

00:38:18.800 And that's really the fundamental issue here.

00:38:21.400 But in any case, Russian disinformation, okay, that was an outright lie.

00:38:27.240 And that's 51 intelligence community agents who signed that letter.

00:38:31.500 51 is a lot.

00:38:32.700 And so I don't understand why that isn't traitorous in the most fundamental manner.

00:38:39.040 Because it's a complete lie.

00:38:40.780 It's a lie about a scandal.

00:38:42.920 It's a lie that casts aspersions on a country that the West is now at war with.

00:38:50.280 And, as far as I'm concerned, tilted the election in a manner that can't be easily quantified.

00:38:58.600 And so, why did these 51 people do this?

00:39:02.620 And what do you think Trump will and should do if he's elected with these people?

00:39:10.140 Because, what was it?

00:39:12.520 Are they pleading ignorance?

00:39:14.960 You know, and why isn't this 50 times the scandal that it has been?

00:39:20.280 This makes Watergate look like a backstory, as far as I'm concerned.

00:39:26.720 Am I overestimating the impact of this?

00:39:30.040 Do I have the story right?

00:39:32.440 You have the story right, but you don't quite have the full enormity of it.

00:39:36.800 Because that letter had to get cleared very quickly by a classification review board within

00:39:44.680 the CIA, they saw how political the letter was, and they realised that it needed to go upstairs.

00:39:51.120 So, they sent it up to Gina Haspel, the CIA director at the time under Donald Trump,

00:39:58.140 via her number three, the chief operating officer who's testified to this.

00:40:02.440 So, Gina Haspel greenlit that letter and allowed it to be published.

00:40:06.920 When the CIA knew full well that this laptop was not Russian disinformation, because the

00:40:13.900 FBI had had it for 10 months in their possession.

00:40:17.060 The FBI very quickly had ascertained that it belonged to Hunter Biden, that it had not been

00:40:22.780 tampered with, and that the evidence on it was fit to be used in court as evidence.

00:40:27.920 And that's exactly what happened in June this year, when Hunter Biden was convicted by a

00:40:33.720 jury, in part based on the evidence on the laptop for this gun problem.

00:40:39.940 So, you know, that was a CIA domestic election interference operation.

00:40:47.400 That was not just these formers, these former intelligence officials, as we've been told.

00:40:53.060 This was greenlit, this was waved through by the CIA director, Gina Haspel.

00:41:00.140 And, you know, many of these CIA people, the 42 of the 51 who signed that letter, they were

00:41:08.460 active contractors.

00:41:10.300 They all have security clearances.

00:41:12.640 They refuse to respond to the, you know, any of our entreaties to explain themselves, maybe

00:41:20.840 to apologize for what they did once it became clear that this wasn't Russian disinformation.

00:41:27.400 How about spend some time in jail?

00:41:29.940 How about that, instead of apologizing?

00:41:32.180 I mean, this is, I just can't wrap my head around this story.

00:41:36.920 It's, so, it really confuses me because, you know, I've, I have some people on the Democrat

00:41:44.000 side that I communicate with, with some degree of regularity.

00:41:47.300 And their response to Trump's allegations of election fixing during the last election was

00:41:53.200 that, well, he tried his case in court in multiple jurisdictions and all of the allegations

00:41:59.620 were not supported by the judicial system.

00:42:02.640 But then I look at it, see, Trump strikes me as one of those people who puts his finger

00:42:06.920 on things at a kind of a low resolution level that's accurate.

00:42:11.440 But the details are a bit murky.

00:42:14.920 And so I think he went about his skepticism incorrectly.

00:42:19.700 And it was also very striking to me during his debate with Harris that the laptop issue

00:42:27.180 and the letter never reared their heads to any great degree.

00:42:31.620 And he's never really used that as the primary evidence that the election was interfered with.

00:42:39.200 But the election was interfered with because the laptop contained damning information, not

00:42:45.640 least with regards to the timing of its release.

00:42:49.140 It's like, what the hell was Hunter doing dropping off three laptops a week before his father announced

00:42:55.620 his presidency?

00:42:56.940 Like, psychologically, that's seriously suspect. 0.95

00:42:59.680 Then the laptops turned out to be real and they're pretty damn ugly.

00:43:03.540 I mean, seriously, not only on the business corruption side, but on the personal corruption

00:43:08.180 side.

00:43:08.880 Hunter's a very distasteful person.

00:43:11.440 Like, I felt like, you know, several showers after reading Laptop from Hell.

00:43:15.900 And I have some insight into what kind of character it requires to do the things that he does.

00:43:22.440 Like the whole crack and hooker thing, that's just not that cool.

00:43:26.020 And the affair with his brother's wife and the uploading of the sexual acts that he committed 0.99

00:43:32.420 with her to Pornhub under the rubric Lonely Widow. 1.00

00:43:36.340 Do you know how bloody demented and twisted you have to be and angry and bitter and resentful 0.99

00:43:41.820 and full of hate you have to be to do something like that? 0.99

00:43:45.040 That's just, that's the sort of place you don't want to go to investigate.

00:43:52.000 You know, it's really ugly.

00:43:53.840 And then to have these former intelligence agents claim that this was a false and that

00:44:03.900 it was Russian disinformation.

00:44:05.540 That's actually two crimes, right?

00:44:07.280 One, that it's false, one, to associate it with the Russians who had nothing to do with

00:44:12.820 it, and then to pull the wool over the eyes of the American people, and then to conspire

00:44:18.220 with Twitter and Facebook right before an election to censor a major American newspaper who was

00:44:26.520 reporting on what?

00:44:29.020 The biggest scandal since Watergate.

00:44:31.700 So, I also don't understand why Trump hasn't made more of that.

00:44:36.000 Like, that could have dominated the debate he had with Harris, for example.

00:44:42.620 So.

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00:45:40.120 Well, so what do you make of that?

00:45:42.260 And you're also, you know, you're also making a case now that it wasn't just former CIA agents,

00:45:47.680 let's say, but active CIA agents, and that they all knew exactly what they were doing.

00:45:51.900 They did.

00:45:53.300 And, you know, there are also among the signatories, there were five former CIA directors or acting

00:45:59.020 directors, people like John Brennan, who was involved in the original Russiagate hoax,

00:46:04.600 which crippled the first few years of Donald Trump's presidency.

00:46:08.820 Leon Panetta, who also signed the letter saying that Kamala Harris is, you know,

00:46:14.860 the most capable, much better than Donald Trump to be commander in chief.

00:46:19.680 And, you know, you talk about the censorship of the New York Post stories before the election.

00:46:26.060 That was, we thought initially just Twitter and Facebook, but it was the FBI.

00:46:31.040 The FBI had pre-bunked our story in meetings with the Facebook and Twitter executives in the

00:46:39.200 weeks before the election.

00:46:40.800 They warned them before our story came out to look out for a Russian hack and leak operation,

00:46:46.800 likely in October, and likely involving Hunter Biden.

00:46:50.540 And how did they know?

00:46:52.040 They had been spying on Rudy Giuliani.

00:46:54.420 And so he's on his iCloud for a foreign agent registration violation investigation,

00:47:02.620 which they never charged him over.

00:47:05.180 So they obviously didn't find any evidence.

00:47:06.940 He thinks, Rudy Giuliani thinks that the FBI was actually spying on him to spy on Donald Trump.

00:47:13.960 But unfortunately for them, Donald Trump doesn't text very much.

00:47:17.880 And neither does Rudy for that matter.

00:47:19.400 But they would have seen the email that came to Rudy Giuliani in August of 2020 from John Paul

00:47:29.040 MacIsaac, who was the laptop repair shop owner.

00:47:31.740 And he, it was a very detailed and forensic email going through, particularly on Ukraine

00:47:39.840 and Burisma, but all the crimes and concerns for national security he had from what he'd

00:47:46.640 seen on the laptop and very cogent letter.

00:47:49.760 And if the people who, in the cabal, who are taking care of Joe Biden, protecting him, if

00:47:58.180 they'd seen that email, they would have been quite concerned about it.

00:48:03.320 And they would have had eyes on Giuliani and known that this story would probably get to

00:48:08.020 the media at some point before the election.

00:48:09.860 So they put all their ducks in a row to make sure that when that story did come out, inevitably,

00:48:16.660 that they could immediately kibosh it, immediately squash it.

00:48:20.340 And they did a very good job of that with just three weeks left to the election.

00:48:24.900 It was already the fact that Twitter and Facebook throttled our accounts, actually locked the

00:48:31.960 New York Post account for until just for two weeks, until a few days before the election,

00:48:36.100 gave pause to other media to follow up.

00:48:39.020 And then the Dirty 51 letter that completely killed the story stone dead.

00:48:45.020 And Mike Murrell, who wrote that letter, he writes in emails to colleagues that the reason

00:48:52.000 for the letter is to give Joe Biden a talking point in the debate coming up against Donald

00:48:57.720 Trump.

00:48:58.380 So that was a specific political operation instigated by the Biden campaign and carried out by the

00:49:06.000 CIA.

00:49:07.180 And it worked.

00:49:08.860 Yeah, well, it's hard to even know what to say about that.

00:49:15.820 OK, so now Hunter Biden has fallen off the media radar.

00:49:20.220 And so is Joe.

00:49:21.340 I mean, this is also extraordinarily peculiar.

00:49:23.560 I just don't understand any of this.

00:49:25.440 It's like, so Joe Biden is too cognitively impaired to be the candidate for the next presidency.

00:49:31.600 But somehow it's OK that he's still president.

00:49:35.500 So that's and now and we don't hear anything about Joe Biden.

00:49:39.960 I mean, it's not surprising in some ways because of all the election hype.

00:49:45.260 But still, he is president.

00:49:47.320 And so hearing something about him from time to time would seem to be appropriate.

00:49:51.640 So I'm not sure what you make of that.

00:49:53.780 And then the same as far as I'm concerned is true of Hunter.

00:49:57.800 It's like he was in a trial and he was sentenced.

00:50:01.640 I don't even know what happened in consequence of that.

00:50:04.780 Like, what is the what is the what is Hunter Biden's status at the moment?

00:50:10.280 And what do you make of the fact that Joe Biden has vanished into the ether during this

00:50:16.460 presidential run?

00:50:18.500 Well, Hunter Biden was convicted in June of gun felonies in Delaware by a jury.

00:50:24.600 He's awaiting sentencing, which is after the election.

00:50:28.300 And then why is it after the election?

00:50:31.660 Convenient, of course.

00:50:33.580 And then in September, he pleaded guilty on the first day of his felony tax fraud trial

00:50:41.360 in California.

00:50:42.840 And so, again, sentencing will be after the election.

00:50:45.980 And I'm told, at least on the tax fraud by the IRS whistleblowers, that that would carry

00:50:54.620 for Hunter significant jail time, at least a couple of years.

00:50:58.780 So no doubt Joe Biden will pardon Hunter after the election before January 20.

00:51:06.860 And even though Joe Biden has said that he wouldn't do that, there's no doubt that he will do that.

00:51:12.860 And he will get a free pass from the media who will say, well, this is his only surviving son

00:51:18.520 and he's a good family man.

00:51:20.280 And how can you begrudge him?

00:51:22.320 Yeah.

00:51:22.880 So nothing will happen of that.

00:51:24.820 As for Joe disappearing.

00:51:27.180 Yeah.

00:51:27.660 I mean, this is very convenient to the Harris campaign because she needs to distance herself 0.99

00:51:34.300 as vice president from the disasters of the Biden-Harris administration, you know, the economy,

00:51:43.100 the inflation pressures that people are feeling, and also the 10 to 20 million illegal migrants

00:51:50.040 that are flooded over the border, and, you know, among them, murderers, rapists, and terrorists.

00:51:57.720 And the American people in every corner of this country where these illegal migrants have been 0.99

00:52:03.560 flown into by the administration to, you know, pretend that there's no overcrowding issue at the border,

00:52:10.340 every town and city in this country is affected.

00:52:15.080 And we saw that in the Springfield, Ohio dramas that Donald Trump quite cleverly brought to the fore

00:52:21.580 when he talked about eating the cats and eating the dogs or eating the pets.

00:52:26.960 So I think that the media, of course, is complicit with most of them, with the Democrats, I call them,

00:52:34.220 the Democrats' handmaidens.

00:52:35.740 So they will do whatever helps the Harris campaign, and that is just to disappear Joe Biden,

00:52:41.360 who'd become so unpopular with the American people that there was no way that he would win the election,

00:52:47.960 which I assume is really why they ousted him from re-election.

00:52:53.640 He had no chance of winning, and Donald Trump was doing very well in the polls.

00:53:00.000 And I think Donald Trump's actually regained the momentum he had against Joe Biden and has

00:53:06.240 successfully tied Kamala Harris to the disasters of the Biden-Harris administration.

00:53:13.900 But also she herself has been a really dud candidate, so she hasn't been able to rescue the situation.

00:53:20.180 So that's, and the thing about Joe Biden is that he is still president.

00:53:25.640 He's president until January 20 of next year, and there's a lot of serious problems happening in the

00:53:32.920 world, but he doesn't seem to be in control.

00:53:36.520 So when Israel just recently fired, you know, started attacking Iran, which is a pretty big deal,

00:53:46.120 there was no situation room for Joe Biden.

00:53:48.960 He was holing out in his home in Delaware, as he often does, and there was nothing from Kamala Harris.

00:53:55.980 There was just silence.

00:53:57.460 There was just a statement saying, well, you know, good luck to Israel, I guess.

00:54:02.240 So they're not behaving as a proper administration, and the cabal that controlled Joe Biden and will

00:54:10.940 control Kamala Harris, I guess they're the ones in control. 1.00

00:54:14.000 Yeah, so how do you understand the successful removal of Joe Biden?

00:54:25.500 He was president.

00:54:27.500 I presume he could have said no, but he didn't.

00:54:31.640 Like, how are we to understand the fact that he was president one day and the presidential

00:54:38.300 candidate one day and then not the next?

00:54:41.760 I mean, how much of that do you think is, let's say, the reality of his cognitive decline,

00:54:49.480 which we still know really nothing about, as far as I can tell?

00:54:53.460 It seemed so self-evident that it was undeniable, but I'm not even sure what to make of that,

00:55:02.320 given the evidence that the Democrats also potentially concluded that Biden was unelectable.

00:55:08.080 And that was partly because of the evidence of his cognitive decline.

00:55:11.160 But what do we make of the fact that he was so unceremoniously dumped?

00:55:17.740 I mean, that seems to me to indicate that the sense that there are a multitude of forces

00:55:23.580 operating behind the scenes, so to speak, is accurate.

00:55:27.240 But what do you make of that?

00:55:28.560 You know, it was evident, as you say, that Joe Biden had cognitive problems from, you

00:55:34.660 know, I was in Iowa and New Hampshire in the 2020 election earlier that year, and it was

00:55:41.620 clear then to everybody in a room that saw him struggling to read just regular stump speeches

00:55:48.360 from a teleprompter in a small town hall.

00:55:50.420 But he was protected, his cognitive issues were covered up.

00:55:56.200 But what a weapon to have to wield over the head of a president to control him if he didn't

00:56:03.040 do what he wanted.

00:56:04.480 And so I just felt, you know, every time he had to go out and do a big set piece like

00:56:09.220 the State of the Union or, you know, a G20 meeting or something, he performed okay.

00:56:15.720 You know, everyone was watching him, expecting him to stumble and blather, but he actually

00:56:20.820 seemed quite cogent.

00:56:22.060 So his cognitive problems seem to be intermittent, and maybe, you know, they're related to, he

00:56:28.220 had some brain aneurysms in the 1980s and brain surgery, that may be a factor.

00:56:34.940 But he certainly seems to have, and still has, times where he is compus mentis, and I don't

00:56:43.480 know whether that can be controlled, but they seem to be able to control it, the timing of

00:56:47.580 it, for these big set pieces.

00:56:49.780 And yet when he did that debate against Donald Trump, it was as if he was let go out without

00:56:55.320 a safety net, without a tightrope, without whatever drugs that they normally gave him.

00:57:00.260 He was just left just desolate.

00:57:06.900 You know, he was there on the stage, blank-eyed, unable to form sentences.

00:57:12.300 He was dead man walking.

00:57:14.260 So if you wanted to get rid of him, that would be the way to do it.

00:57:19.300 I don't know if that was deliberate or if it was an accident, but, you know, if you were

00:57:22.960 the people around him and you saw him in that state before he was going onto that stage that

00:57:28.860 night against Donald Trump with no notes and no teleprompter, surely you would have staged

00:57:33.900 an intervention and said, oh, he's got COVID or something, and stopped him going out there.

00:57:38.340 So they let him go out there and destroy himself.

00:57:41.860 And then he, for a couple of weeks, it seemed that he would hang on.

00:57:45.800 And I had some insight into the people in the background around his family, and they were

00:57:50.740 digging in.

00:57:51.440 There was no way they were going to bail out.

00:57:55.820 He was insisting that he was going to stay, and Hunter wanted him to stay.

00:57:59.280 And Jill, Dr. Jill, wanted him to stay.

00:58:01.400 But he didn't.

00:58:03.900 And the reason he didn't was because the donors, about a week or so after the debate, rallied

00:58:10.600 around and just said, there is no way that they were going to support the Democratic Party

00:58:15.560 if Joe was the candidate.

00:58:17.800 And what we found out about that in, actually, an article in the New York Times on September

00:58:24.800 24th was that Kamala Harris was part of that, because one of her best friends is Lorene Jobs, 0.96

00:58:32.540 the widow of Steve Jobs.

00:58:34.220 She's a billionaire, the richest woman in America. 0.59

00:58:36.620 And she, according to the New York Times, got her staff member, who used to work for Barack

00:58:42.820 Obama, to do some focus group polling, which found that there was no way that Joe Biden could

00:58:48.500 win the election.

00:58:49.260 And she circulated that damaging information around the other Democrat donors. 0.93

00:58:54.240 And after that, they put their foot down and said, Joe has to go.

00:58:58.180 Now, I don't think Joe Biden knew that until that New York Times article came out, because

00:59:04.260 straight after that article, he started bigfooting Kamala Harris and doing her damage. 1.00

00:59:12.020 There were two particular incidents that were notable.

00:59:15.120 One was that she had picked a fight with Ron DeSantis, the governor of Florida, over his

00:59:22.280 hurricane preparation, saying that he'd ignored a phone call from her.

00:59:26.220 He came back, you know.

00:59:27.500 So it was a big to-do.

00:59:29.060 And suddenly, Joe Biden pops up on camera and says, oh, you know, Ron DeSantis is a great

00:59:35.040 guy.

00:59:35.560 We have nothing but good relations.

00:59:37.300 He's talked to me about the hurricane.

00:59:39.280 And, you know, he's very competent and everything's fine.

00:59:41.740 So that was really undermining Kamala Harris in a very obvious and embarrassing way in

00:59:47.120 real time.

00:59:47.960 And then there was another occasion around that time, which was Kamala Harris was on stage

00:59:52.880 in Detroit.

00:59:53.700 All the network cameras were on her.

00:59:56.000 And suddenly, Joe Biden strolls into the press room in the White House, where he has never

01:00:01.060 been in his entire presidency, and decides to take a press conference.

01:00:06.240 And he didn't really have much to say, other than that he and Kamala were locked at the hip.

01:00:13.700 They were singing from the same song sheet.

01:00:16.700 They were on the same page.

01:00:18.820 And I guess he also wanted to make sure that Kamala didn't.

01:00:22.340 She was just about to take credit for the ending of the impending Longshoremen strike.

01:00:28.880 So I guess he didn't want her to take credit for that.

01:00:31.540 But I surmise from the timing of this that Joe Biden wasn't aware of Lorene Jobs' role

01:00:38.960 in the donors pulling their support from him.

01:00:41.620 And knowing that Kamala Harris regarded Lorene Jobs as family, she brought her into the White 0.97

01:00:47.940 House when she was sworn in and as part of her family group.

01:00:53.160 And I think probably Joe Biden figured out that Kamala had sneakily stabbed him in the back.

01:00:59.320 And so he was paying her back in that way.

01:01:02.440 And also telling her, don't you dare throw me under the bus. 0.62

01:01:07.800 Don't you dare start distancing yourself from my achievements.

01:01:13.120 There was some background reporting that he was very angry.

01:01:17.440 And Dr. Jill Biden was very angry about a speech that Kamala had given in Pittsburgh about economics. 0.97

01:01:25.240 And she hadn't once mentioned Bidenomics or paid tribute to Joe Biden.

01:01:30.240 So she's unable to distance herself.

01:01:33.660 And shortly after he big-footed her like that in those two occasions, she made probably the

01:01:38.680 biggest flaw mistake of her campaign, which was she went on air and she was asked, what

01:01:45.640 would you do differently from Joe Biden?

01:01:48.060 And she said, nothing.

01:01:49.300 I can't think of a single thing.

01:01:50.640 Yeah, right, which was an amazing, again, that just, my jaw has been open many times in

01:01:58.280 the last multiple months.

01:01:59.740 And that was certainly one of the events that caused that reaction.

01:02:03.880 I mean, it stunned me at two levels.

01:02:06.560 And the first was, while she had been striving to present herself as someone who had a new

01:02:12.720 economic plan and to segregate herself from the Biden-Harris administration. 0.81

01:02:18.820 And at minimum, you would have expected the Democrats to be cynical and competent enough

01:02:25.380 to have prepared her to answer that question.

01:02:29.160 Even if she believed, you know, even if she did believe that she would have done nothing

01:02:33.560 different, she should have been wise enough to have something to say that was a little

01:02:38.320 bit more detailed than that.

01:02:40.000 It was as if the question hadn't occurred to her.

01:02:42.480 You know, I think Joe Biden is, he's just a brilliant political strategist, a very cunning

01:02:50.300 Tammany Hall style guy.

01:02:53.740 And I think he's outsmarted all the Democrat brains trust and certainly outsmarted Kamala

01:03:00.160 Harris.

01:03:01.060 To him, sure, he would like the Democrats to win.

01:03:04.660 He doesn't like Donald Trump.

01:03:05.800 But really, if Kamala Harris didn't win, he then stands alone as the man who managed to

01:03:12.600 vanquish Donald Trump when Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris couldn't.

01:03:17.380 And also, he's vindicated in that he would have been a better candidate, that he should

01:03:23.240 have been able to stay on.

01:03:24.340 Right, right, right.

01:03:24.920 Yeah.

01:03:25.180 So at minimum, he's a man with seriously mixed motivations.

01:03:29.400 And I suspect the same is true of his family.

01:03:32.000 Okay, so two things.

01:03:34.580 I'd like to turn our attention to Kamala.

01:03:40.340 What?

01:03:40.940 I don't know what to make of her.

01:03:45.140 I'm always, this is a terrible thing to say, but I'm going to say it anyways.

01:03:49.180 Well, I'm always, it's always a mystery to me to watch women who seek power. 1.00

01:03:55.980 However, there are advantages to men in seeking power that aren't there for women. 0.89

01:04:02.820 So, for example, power makes men very attractive to women, but power doesn't make women attractive 0.90

01:04:09.140 to men.

01:04:09.840 And that's a big difference.

01:04:11.800 Like, if you looked at sociobiological differences between men and women, that's probably the 0.94

01:04:17.520 biggest difference.

01:04:18.240 The correlation between socioeconomic success and sexual success for men is 0.7, which is

01:04:27.620 a walloping correlation.

01:04:30.300 It is the biggest predictor of male success on the mating side by a huge margin.

01:04:37.060 Nothing even comes close.

01:04:38.420 The relationship for women is zero. 0.99

01:04:40.240 And it might even be slightly negative because, well, because high-status women are intimidating 1.00

01:04:47.580 to men.

01:04:48.780 And so, what happens to high-status women is their mating pool shrinks. 1.00

01:04:53.380 It vastly expands for men and it shrinks for women. 0.95

01:04:56.700 Now, you know, people don't like biological views of human beings.

01:05:01.660 That doesn't really affect me much.

01:05:03.120 But one of the consequences for me, psychologically speaking, is I don't know what to make of women 1.00

01:05:09.440 who are hell-bent on power.

01:05:11.640 So, Hillary Clinton's a good example. 0.98

01:05:13.540 You know, I mean, she was hell-bent on power for 50 years. 1.00

01:05:17.120 That's a long time.

01:05:18.560 Like, that's obsessive.

01:05:20.260 Now, she wanted, perhaps she wanted to go down in history as the woman's, as the, you 0.95

01:05:25.900 know, as the United States' first female president. 0.50

01:05:28.300 And I can understand that as an ambition, I suppose, to some degree.

01:05:33.120 But Kamala is a real mystery to me because it isn't obvious to me at all that she has

01:05:37.740 any real interest in policy.

01:05:40.100 Like, she doesn't seem to me to have any interest in the administrative side of things, on the

01:05:46.160 policy side. 0.68

01:05:47.180 What the hell is up with her? 0.78

01:05:49.300 Like, what is she after as far as you're concerned?

01:05:53.580 Now, maybe I'm asking you to speculate out of your bailiwick, but I'm, you know, you're

01:05:57.840 well-informed.

01:05:58.600 I'm curious about that.

01:05:59.780 Like, what do you think she's, what drives her?

01:06:02.480 Yeah, I don't know.

01:06:04.060 Other than, I think that she had a very clever mother and father, PhDs, and she was not academically

01:06:13.420 clever at all.

01:06:15.040 So maybe she wants to prove, even though her parent or her mother is no longer with us,

01:06:21.660 that she's worthy.

01:06:23.880 She doesn't seem actually to me to be particularly interested in power.

01:06:27.900 She's more interested in the accumulation of status, I think, through her career.

01:06:34.320 And she's always had-

01:06:35.400 So that's celebrity, basically?

01:06:37.960 Like, is it a celebrity play rather than a power play?

01:06:41.880 Maybe celebrity. 0.75

01:06:43.120 I mean, she seems a little shy to me, a little nervous.

01:06:46.340 She doesn't really seem to enjoy any of these public outings that she does.

01:06:52.760 She doesn't seem to enjoy the interviews.

01:06:55.780 She is a mystery. 0.86

01:06:58.900 You know, I've talked to friends of hers who say that she's really not dumb, but she thinks 0.99

01:07:04.520 you're dumb, which may be why she speaks in these sort of baby talk. 1.00

01:07:11.140 Oh, yeah, that's appalling. 1.00

01:07:13.040 That's appalling. 0.99

01:07:13.640 She always sounds like she's lecturing to a room full of retarded kindergarten children. 1.00

01:07:17.880 Yes! 1.00

01:07:18.340 It's so appalling.

01:07:19.880 And there's a terrible condescension that's associated with that. 0.99

01:07:25.040 And people, even if she's not interested in power, if she presumes the idiocy of her audience, 0.92

01:07:31.500 a contempt definitely, what will you say, makes itself present with that.

01:07:36.840 And you don't guide people well when you're contemptuous of them.

01:07:42.300 This is something Trump is very, Trump is very distinct from Harris in that regard.

01:07:47.360 And I think distinct from the Democrat elite per se, who are very supercilious when it comes

01:07:52.920 to the working class or even the middle class for that matter, especially if you think about

01:07:58.880 class in terms of education.

01:08:00.920 Trump is not dismissive of ordinary people, so-called ordinary people.

01:08:06.260 He's actually extremely good at interacting with people in a spontaneous way.

01:08:13.180 And I think he actually enjoys it.

01:08:15.620 And I don't think it's an act, because I don't think you can fake that.

01:08:18.660 It's not easy to fake that.

01:08:20.740 People can see through that quite quickly.

01:08:24.940 No, and people are also very sensitive, let's say, to slights that they might experience from

01:08:32.460 their, from people who are higher up on the power hierarchy than they are, right?

01:08:39.720 So you have to step very lightly if there is that gap in status to not offend people.

01:08:45.720 And Trump is very good at that. 0.99

01:08:47.820 And Harris, well, when she's over-explaining something painfully to idiots, that's a, 0.99

01:08:58.640 that's a, she's on, she's entirely on the opposite side of the spectrum with regards 0.99

01:09:03.540 to how she treats her, the people that she's dealing with.

01:09:07.000 So yeah, I don't understand her at all.

01:09:08.900 And do you notice how, when, when she's doing the lecturing, she adopts this very haughty

01:09:15.120 nasal tone, which is exactly that.

01:09:18.380 It's, you know, I'm Queen, you know, Mary Antoinette sitting up here on my throne, looking

01:09:23.620 down my nose at you little people. 0.98

01:09:25.300 And I think that's why the Democrat elite and she all hate Donald Trump, because he sort

01:09:32.360 of represents, he eats McDonald's.

01:09:34.560 I think he really is, you know, his sensibility is with, you know, the average American.

01:09:41.340 And I agree, I don't think he's putting it on.

01:09:44.100 You know, he's fat and he has these earthy tastes and they despise him because how dare

01:09:52.140 one of the, the, the, the deplorables, the hobbits, how dare they enter into the, the sanctuary 0.56

01:10:01.520 of elite power?

01:10:03.540 Well, yeah, that's, that's definitely what it looks like to me.

01:10:06.840 And, and, and that's exactly it.

01:10:10.720 I think that's part of the cause of Trump derangement syndrome.

01:10:14.220 It's classist beyond belief, right?

01:10:18.040 It's, it's the absolute horror of the educated elite that someone as preposterous in taste and

01:10:25.060 demeanour, so declassé as Donald Trump could possibly presume to, to put himself forward

01:10:34.620 as competent and useful. 0.99

01:10:36.040 And, and isn't it appalling to watch all the fools who he's manipulated support him when 0.98

01:10:43.300 we, the elite, are there to take care of everyone's needs and feather our own beds in the most appalling 0.99

01:10:50.160 possible manner.

01:10:51.180 And unfortunately, because he's now surrounded himself with absolutely brilliant people like Elon Musk and J.D.

01:10:58.300 Vance, RFK Jr., that confounds their theory of the case.

01:11:04.620 Yeah, well, I just released a video last week talking about exactly that because, you know,

01:11:11.160 Trump is a preposterous character in many ways.

01:11:13.860 I mean, he's, he kind of reminds me of Colonel Tom Parker.

01:11:17.420 You know, he's got this bigger than life salesy element that's really quintessentially American.

01:11:23.740 I mean, and I'm not saying that in any derogatory sense because America is a powerhouse economically

01:11:29.880 and part of that is the salesman culture.

01:11:33.660 And it isn't, salesman culture isn't high class, right?

01:11:38.040 It's not aristocratic.

01:11:39.680 It's, it's huckstery even.

01:11:42.820 But, hey, marketing and communication are necessary.

01:11:47.640 Like, they're seriously necessary.

01:11:49.920 I mean, maybe they're 85% of a successful business enterprise.

01:11:53.400 So, you better be good at it.

01:11:55.600 And Trump is very good at it. 0.67

01:11:59.240 And so, and then, you know, he scares people because he's got this kind of narcissistic element

01:12:05.080 that goes along with that extremely high extroversion.

01:12:08.240 And also this kind of impolite viciousness that's part of his sense of humor

01:12:12.580 and even his capacity to bully to some degree.

01:12:15.800 And so, there is a narcissistic tilt in Trump, although his personality is very complex.

01:12:21.240 And he was president for four years and he didn't conduct himself on the international stage

01:12:27.500 like a true narcissist would because narcissists would be perfectly happy to sacrifice American servicemen,

01:12:34.440 let's say, to their grandeur across time.

01:12:37.260 But, even more importantly, perhaps, real narcissists don't share the stage with people like Elon Musk

01:12:46.420 or J.D. Vance, for that matter, or Tulsi Gabbard or Kennedy, right?

01:12:50.760 Because they're competitors for the public eye and they're competitors with regards to perceived competence as well.

01:12:57.440 And maybe even perceived fame because certainly Musk exceeds Trump in, well,

01:13:05.420 virtually every social comparison element that you could conjure up.

01:13:11.960 It's very difficult to compete with Elon Musk and the fact that Trump is willing to share the stage with him

01:13:18.160 and to listen to him mitigates, for me, against any—it's certainly one of the factors that mitigates

01:13:25.380 any concerns about, let's say, like a truly malignant narcissism.

01:13:31.100 And so, let's—I think we should probably move over to the Daily Wire side.

01:13:38.260 I know what I want to talk to you about there, I think.

01:13:40.760 So, for everybody who's watching and listening, I think I'd like to talk to you about

01:13:44.240 how you and the New York Post, to some degree, managed to be something of a bastion of actual journalism

01:13:52.160 in an absolute sea of sycophantic propaganda and what exactly that's been like.

01:14:00.360 So, for everybody watching on the Daily Wire side, you want to—or who's planning to,

01:14:06.280 you have to remember that it was Miranda and the New York Post people who broke the Hunter laptop story

01:14:11.380 and suffered the consequences thereof and who have been diligently attempting something

01:14:18.000 approximating genuine journalism.

01:14:20.300 And so, I'm very curious about how—what that is like.

01:14:24.920 And so, I think that's what we'll discuss on the Daily Wire side.

01:14:27.520 So, everybody who's watching and listening, you could join us there.

01:14:30.460 Miranda, is there anything else you want to bring to people's attention before we turn

01:14:35.920 to the Daily Wire interview?

01:14:38.620 Not really, other than I think that it really is quite frightening that these same people in

01:14:45.600 the CIA and the State Department and so on, the blob, are so implacably opposed to Donald Trump.

01:14:55.400 And so, he's already suffered two assassination attempts.

01:14:59.100 I just don't know to what lengths they will go to ensure that he never takes power again,

01:15:05.320 because he's a lot older and wiser than he was.

01:15:08.100 We're all less naive than we were back in 2020, now that we've seen unfold at least a portion

01:15:15.320 of this agenda and the dirty tricks that were played on Donald Trump to make sure he didn't

01:15:21.340 win in 2020, certainly by suppressing our story.

01:15:24.460 And so, I think that they know that he will come in and clean them up.

01:15:31.680 And he's got a good team behind him, including Elon, who will help him do that, who are loyal

01:15:38.860 to him and smart and an RFK junior, for instance, who knows the, or at least has suspicions about

01:15:48.020 the extent of the evil of the deep state in terms of what happened to his father and his uncle.

01:15:55.680 So, Donald Trump poses an even greater threat than he did in 2020 to the blob.

01:16:03.700 By a lot.

01:16:05.240 Yeah.

01:16:05.700 So, I don't know what they will do, but I think I would put nothing past them.

01:16:11.720 Yeah.

01:16:12.100 Well, I mean, maybe we'll close with this.

01:16:15.100 It isn't obvious to me what Trump should do with those 51 people.

01:16:21.360 Like, letting them off the, well, letting them off the hook certainly doesn't seem like

01:16:25.700 an appropriate response.

01:16:27.800 You know, trying them for treason seems a lot more appropriate to me. 0.82

01:16:32.620 And so, and maybe I'm not a lawyer and I don't even know if that's possible, but I haven't

01:16:37.440 seen an act that reeks of treason more egregiously in my entire lifetime as a political observer.

01:16:45.100 And so, that also does seem to me to indicate that there's some people who are going to

01:16:52.380 feel that they're desperately being shunted into a corner from which there's no escape.

01:16:58.120 And as you intimated, God only knows what people in that situation are capable of.

01:17:03.940 I guess we're going to find out, aren't we?

01:17:06.640 Mm.

01:17:07.540 That's right.

01:17:08.640 Yeah.

01:17:09.340 Yeah.

01:17:09.720 Well.

01:17:11.160 It's frightening thought.

01:17:12.700 We're in for interesting times.

01:17:14.900 That's for sure.

01:17:16.680 So, all right.

01:17:17.500 Well, we'll go off to the Daily Wire side and we'll talk about doing journalism in a sea

01:17:26.060 of propaganda.

01:17:27.560 And so, everybody can join us there.

01:17:29.500 Thanks very much, Miranda.

01:17:30.540 Much appreciated.

01:17:31.620 And for all your work.

01:17:33.040 I mean, you guys at the New York Post, that's real journalism.

01:17:38.580 So, isn't that something to see?

01:17:41.400 Bye.

01:17:58.780 Bye.

01:17:59.880 Bye.

01:18:00.740 Bye.

01:18:01.200 Bye.

01:18:01.820 Bye.

01:18:03.980 Bye.

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The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast - November 04, 2024

495. The CIA, Corruption, and the Biden Heirs ｜ Miranda Devine

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