I had a chance today to sit down and speak in person with Terry Glavin, who is one of Canada s premier journalists. I've been following his work for a long time, as have many Canadians, but there was a particular reason for talking to him now, and that was that he penned a piece for Barry Weiss and the Free Press on the rise of anti-Semitism in Canada. And so I was very interested in the article, and when I read it, I thought I should really talk to him about it. And I did.
00:20:52.180I mean, it was like out of a movie, some kind of a science fiction movie.
00:20:56.540And immediately, what happened was, you know, the left's, the iteration of the international left and the activist milieu was cloaked in anti-war activism, right?
00:21:13.760And it shouldn't have taken much effort on the part of the mass media.
00:21:17.700Unfortunately, and I have to confess as a lifelong journalist, the media was not at all helpful in failing to recognize that this phenomenon that was being presented on the nightly news and on the front pages of the paper as an anti-war movement, they were actually on the other side.
00:21:38.520And at the core of it, at the very, very core of it, whatever you happen to think about Afghanistan or Iraq, at the core of it was anti-Zionism, this thing called anti-Zionism.
00:21:48.640And that had sort of percolated from the 1970s.
00:21:52.040A lot of it was informed by Soviet propaganda.
00:21:54.560But from the United Nations, you know, the Durban conference, the proposition that Zionism is racism, right?
00:22:04.380Now, in Canada, the way Erwin Kotler put it to me, I think very well, who, he's kind of my lodestar, I confess.
00:22:48.700You know, the way we understand our role in the world, our place in the world.
00:22:52.980I mean, we were there at the Foundation of Israel.
00:22:54.900We were there in the crafting of the United Nations Declaration on Human Rights.
00:23:01.820We were there in all of the protocols and conventions that rose from the ashes of the Shoah.
00:23:07.240This was a very Canadian thing, and it was something to be proud of.
00:23:10.260But what we haven't really noticed over the years is the way the United Nations has been taken over by the organization of the Islamic Congress.
00:23:18.720It's been taken over by the police state bloc.
00:23:20.940The last time I looked, I think Beijing was basically in control of seven of the 11 major United Nations agencies.
00:23:29.140And then you get the United Nations Relief Works Agency, which is this strange, strange organization that keeps alive the prospect that Israel is just a temporary aberration.
00:23:41.360And that one of the, you know, somehow the massively growing Palestinian refugee population, it's not really a refugee population, will somehow be sorted by the restoration of a Palestinian or an Arab sovereignty in all the places where Israel currently exists.
00:24:03.740So it's really hard for Canadians to sort of think, hmm, maybe the United Nations, maybe these, are we the baddies, you know?
00:24:11.640And so how do you see that in parallel with the politicization of, like, the pro-Hamas movements in Canada?
00:24:19.540And there's things running in parallel here.
00:24:21.240We talked about the victim-victimizer narrative.
00:24:23.300We talked about the, what would you say, the alliance between the progressive left and the claim that Zionism is part of the colonial movement, which includes Canada and the U.S.
00:24:33.060Now you've introduced Canada's role in the U.N. and our historical allegiance with the U.N.
00:24:37.400How do you see those tangling together?
00:24:39.520The way I see those tangling together, if we can think of it in terms of the Liberal Party or the Trudeau Liberals, right, not the same as a lot of what a lot of people imagine the Liberals to be,
00:24:51.600is that this kind of intellectual slovenliness, that the sort of blind adherence to United Nations declarations and so on,
00:25:10.240and the entire panoply of its, you know, settler-colonial, colonial settler-state politics, its diversity, equity, and inclusion politics.
00:25:23.880I see. So Canada's historical alliance.
00:25:27.660It's just there's no way that it can defend itself against a virulent, lurid, blood-curdling, anti-Semitic, anti-Semitic.
00:25:42.640Okay, so let me summarize that and tell me if I've got it right.
00:25:45.480So we've seen the rise of this progressive insistence that projects like Canada and the United States, et cetera, and Israel are part of this colonial, capitalist, oppressive enterprise.
00:25:56.580Now that's permeated Canadian society to some degree, but it's also permeated the UN.
00:26:02.120And Canada has been historically aligned with the UN, and our foreign policy has been determined by that alliance for a very long time.
00:26:10.360Well, influenced, and if not determined, influenced.
00:26:13.340And that was a matter of pride in Canada when the UN was quasi-functional organization, let's say.
00:26:18.580But so you see the emergence of that post-Soviet Union Marxist-inspired colonial rhetoric in the UN and in Canada, and the fact that Canada's been allied with the UN has also shaped our foreign policy in a rather unthinking manner, especially under Trudeau, who has no, what would you say, has what?
00:26:41.280No knowledge, no imagination, for, like, how do you explain?
00:27:07.520So, the world is, you know, is a vanity mirror.
00:27:12.020And you have to remember when he came along, it sort of parallels the rise of Trump in the United States, right, when he was first elected, just a few months from the election of Donald Trump.
00:27:23.060And Donald Trump, you know, said all these scary things about Muslims.
00:27:26.340And then Justin Trudeau, you know, tweets, well, everybody's welcome to Canada.
00:27:51.580And he is the, well, and the narcissism element, you know, you talked about him to some degree as an empty drum, let's say.
00:27:58.820And I have made reference to him as a narcissist.
00:28:01.500I mean, my observation in that regard was driven by the manner in which he adopted the leadership of the Liberal Party.
00:28:09.320Because I felt at the, I'd like your opinion about this, when he emerged, I thought, I kind of had two, I was of two opinions, right?
00:28:19.420People went to him and made the case that he would be a credible and popular leader of the Liberals, not least because of his name brand recognition.
00:28:28.140And I can imagine being in that position, let's say, and thinking, okay, this is a risky enterprise because I don't have the CV that would indicate that I'm capable of running a G7 country.
00:28:41.860But if I don't run, then the conservatives who were my father's foes, let's say, and aren't aligned with me politically, have a really good crack at victory.
00:28:52.420And if I put my name forward, maybe we can forestall that.
00:28:55.260And then maybe I could put my nose to the grindstone and I could learn, I could surround myself with, like, high-level experts and I could learn to play the part if I, you know, if I was open to that kind of learning.
00:29:08.140Okay, that's an unlikely scenario, that one.
00:29:42.180And he's been in that milieu his whole life and he's been groomed for that.
00:29:45.560But as far as the intellectual milieu, if there was such a thing, around his emergence, well, I mean, everybody was willing to give him a chance.
00:31:29.580Well, he's certainly much more credible as a leader of a G7 country than Justin Trudeau, at least on the basis of his...
00:31:35.660Yeah, what we've got basically, you know, it's so difficult to explain this to people from away.
00:31:39.920You know, if you can imagine a kind of, oh, I don't know, a TikTok account run by, you know, a 19-year-old college girl in charge of a G7 country.
00:34:32.700The middle class prosperity is all about China, China, China.
00:34:35.800And this immediately, you know, he immediately accrued to himself a lot of money and a lot of power and a lot of help.
00:34:45.020The Desmarais Corporation, the power corporation in Montreal, those whole circles.
00:34:49.900And of course, his father, people don't like to talk about this when you talk about Pierre Trudeau,
00:34:56.080but he was probably the most important propaganda asset for the Chinese Communist Party during the Maoist period in the English-speaking world.
00:36:14.280And, I mean, I think there were a lot of people of good faith who imagined that the more China modernized and became capitalist, they'd become more like us.
00:36:24.700People who understood China knew this was rubbish.
00:36:41.760And, I mean, anybody who's followed Canadian politics at all in the last five years will be aware of the scandals associated with the intimacies between the Trudeau liberals and the United Front Work Department of the Chinese Communist Party and the Organization Department of the Politburo of the Chinese Communist Party.
00:37:04.640The manipulation and monkey-wrenching of elections in 2019 and 2021.
00:37:11.040Yeah, we still don't know the full extent of that.
00:37:12.620Yeah, the whole commission has yet to report, you know, sort of report.
00:37:15.940Right, and there's background rumors about a number of liberal MPs being unduly influenced on the financial side.
00:37:24.780One of the things that's difficult for people to grasp is that, you know, a lot of people ask me, my goodness, the Chinese must have something on.
00:37:38.880He doesn't see anything wrong with it.
00:37:41.240Yes, well, that was evident in many of his pre-election addresses.
00:37:44.160You know, if you take all the crazy things, I don't know, some of the things that the Democrats are saying about Trump and Russia were not crazy.
00:37:51.260But if you take all the extreme accusations that the Democrats were making about Trump's associations with the Kremlin in the 2015 election, yeah.
00:38:04.540Well, multiply that by 10, and you have in the real world Justin Trudeau's collusions and complicity with the Chinese Communist Party.
00:38:22.600To understand Justin Trudeau, you have to understand he sees nothing wrong with this.
00:38:28.180When he got elected, immediately after he got elected, in the first election, he sat down with a reporter from the New York Times and said, this is what basically Canada is.
00:38:46.420And immediately, the question should have turned to, I remember talking to Jerry Butts about this, his sort of principal advisor, because we used to be quite chummy.
00:43:16.660We have the idea of the colonialist state.
00:43:19.660We have the, like, the perversion of the UN.
00:43:23.300We have the rise of neo-Marxism in Canada.
00:43:25.540We have the pernicious influence of the Chinese communists on Trudeau's campaign and his worldview right from the beginning stemming from his father.
00:43:36.000Okay, so now we have to take all that, and we have to tie it back to this rise in anti-Semitism.
00:43:41.700Now, the nexus there, at least in part, is the colonial, the ideology of colonialist state.
00:43:47.240I think you can wrap it up this way, this strange thing that we've just described, right?
00:43:51.280A lot of people talk about woke politics or whatever.
00:43:56.300It's not wicked because it's anti-Semitic.
00:44:03.760It's anti-Semitic because it's wicked.
00:44:24.900Everyone wants to cry, you know, isn't it sad?
00:44:27.420But God forbid they should stand up on their own two feet and say,
00:44:31.020actually, no, we're restoring Jewish sovereignty in our ancient homeland,
00:44:36.000and you will not take that tone with us anymore, thank you very much.
00:44:39.640You know, everybody would prefer to sort of be like, you know, sing Pete Seeger songs and pat Jews on the head.
00:44:48.880When Jews say, actually, no, we're—I mean, thanks for the help, but we're going to stand up for ourselves.
00:44:54.960This is what a lot of people on the left could not abide when the Jews began to get saucy in this way.
00:45:02.060And interestingly, this is very tied into the way the sort of Trudeau liberals understand indigenous people in Canada.
00:45:12.720And it's tied into the whole sort of from Turtle Island to Palestine that you keep hearing in the activist milieu.
00:45:20.800Turtle Island being the name for Canada.
00:45:23.160Well, it was actually a white guy who came up with that.
00:45:26.300Yes, I'm sure that it has, like, nothing to do with indigenous words.
00:45:29.540Gary Snyder, he was a poet in Chicago, I think.
00:45:32.060Anyway, I mean, there is some vague reference that can be drawn to, I think, an Anishinaabe creation myth, but whatever.
00:45:38.600I think it's a—it is a bowdlerization of indigenous, you know, the magnificent cultural diversity of indigenous peoples in this country, which we could talk about because you live in an interesting place, or we're filming this in a very interesting place.
00:45:54.740But the idea that if indigenous people would stand up and say, actually, okay, this whole territory, as far as the eye can see, you idiots, you never signed a treaty with us.
00:46:09.200We still own the land under British and Canadian constitutional law.
00:46:14.400Aboriginal title is enforceable, and we're going to start like—we're going to start acting like we own the place.
00:47:11.940But there's also the fact that there's now 1.8 million Muslims in the country.
00:47:16.660Right, because we need another dimension of complexity to this conversation.
00:47:19.020And I don't want to—you know, it's very—this is really fighting words for me.
00:47:23.200Because, you know, a lot of my friends are Muslims and Arabs and my compatriots.
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00:48:39.300Yeah, this multiplicity of diversities and so on.
00:48:43.320What you find is that there are certain organizations and institutions in this country that are very well financed and resourced by the federal government and are intended to speak on behalf of, for instance, Canadian Muslims.
00:49:00.120One of them is the Muslim Association of Canada, which is explicitly devoted to the theology of Hassan al-Banna, the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood, the fountainhead of Islamism, who was a collaborator with and a philosophical fellow traveler with Adolf Hitler.
00:49:21.200So, this is a bit of a problem, you know?
00:49:24.480I mean, this is not going to work out well in the long run.
00:49:34.460Wasn't it Melanie Jolie who commented that people have to pay attention to the ethnic makeup of her writing?
00:49:39.580Yeah, like Thomas Mulcair, who's kind of an old-fashioned social Democrat, you know, somebody who speaks the same language I speak, quite frankly.
00:49:47.900Former leader of the Federal National New Democrats, the Socialist Party in Canada.
00:49:53.360And he said, you know, this Canada's position on Israel is incomprehensible.
00:49:58.600You insist, because you need to, that Israel has a right to defend itself, and yet you will refuse to send any munitions to Israel or anything at all that might be used as a part of an airplane that might be in the Israeli Air Force.
00:50:20.380And she went so far as to, I think it was General Dynamics, as a plant in Quebec.
00:50:25.320So it's actually American material going to Israel.
00:50:32.300And she said, no, we're not going to issue an export permit for that either.
00:50:36.260So Israel has a right to defend itself, but Israel is not allowed to have the means to defend itself.
00:50:42.800So Mulcair says, this is incomprehensible.
01:05:34.800And it had an unbelievably rich, like, nightlife and culture.
01:05:39.520And it was a wonderful place to live, extremely peaceful.
01:05:43.500And it was diverse in the most positive possible manner.
01:05:47.420And to see riots, to see the sorts of things that are happening in Concordia,
01:05:51.960the sorts of things that are happening on the streets in Montreal, it's just, it's appalling beyond belief.
01:05:56.940And then, of course, I was embarrassed as a former, well, current, I suppose, professor at the University of Toronto to see the encampments there and the encampments at McGill.
01:06:07.340I got my doctoral degree at McGill and I loved McGill and it was a great university.
01:06:11.440And so, there's terrible things afoot in Canada that I would have never dreamed of occurring here.
01:06:19.680And, you know, I have a particular and personal animus against the Trudeau government for a variety of reasons.
01:06:25.260But I'm very curious about what you've seen.
01:06:27.980Like, I don't even know how politically aligned you and I are.
01:06:30.380I mean, that's a complicated thing in today's world.
01:06:32.200But you're obviously very disturbed by what you're observing.
01:06:35.960And we have a lot of international listeners and viewers on this show.
01:06:39.220And so, what have you seen emerge in Canada, you know?
01:06:43.420Yeah, well, I'll go back, I think, to what I was inarticulately trying to describe about the trajectory of the left since the 1990s.
01:06:52.460I think by the 80s, I think, or the 90s, you could say that all of, we'd won, we, if I can say that, because I kind of came from the left.
01:07:02.900Although I have no ideological commitments, and I'm kind of sour these days on the left.
01:07:17.840Gay marriage, the right of women to equality in the workplace, the right of unions to organize, labor relations standards, environmental laws were coming along.
01:07:38.780And I think, I mean, a mistake to get too weird, not to get too weird about it, but one mistake Marxists made was this idea that there is no more useful role for the bourgeoisie in the progress of human society.
01:07:55.520They actually were wrong about that, because it was the bourgeoisie that led the charge against slavery and for women's rights.
01:08:05.640So, at any rate, by the 80s or the 90s, you know, we'd won.
01:08:10.420So, something peculiar has happened, and there is this very dark phenomenon that has occupied all the places where the left used to be.
01:08:25.080And it is invariably masochistic, sinister, self-hating.
01:08:37.960Let's tear down the liberal democracies.
01:08:42.420Let's cast Canada as this illegitimate to racist colonial settler state.
01:08:48.240Let's identify Israel as the epitome of everything that we loathe and despise.
01:09:06.620And that was the thing that I was watching over the years, is that, you know, I spent a lot of, well, my last major book was about Afghanistan, and I spent a lot of time in Syria and the northeast with the Kurds and what have you.
01:09:18.440How much knowledge do you think typical Canadians have about what's going on?
01:09:49.340After that, well, maybe you'll be allowed to have an opinion about something.
01:09:53.100Really elaborate conventions and disciplines in what was essentially a trade, a craft.
01:10:02.940And with the, you know, the golden era was about the 1980s, I would say, 1970s, 1980s.
01:10:12.220And then with the advent of digital technologies and a whole bunch of other reasons, news, the news media, the conventional news media began to wither away and collapse.
01:10:23.140And it's replaced by, you know, people talk about the mainstream media today is Twitter.
01:10:30.620And so in this period, it became increasingly difficult for journalists to actually tell a story.
01:10:41.160The results would be, you know, the results would be, you know, the results would be downed.
01:10:43.900It's much easier to basically fill your shift with three or four stories for deadline, each of which more or less uphold the narrative framework of the subscriber base that your media organization is targeting.
01:11:05.160A lot of it does have, a lot of it really is about the decline and the collapse of news media.
01:11:13.280I mean, I can talk about that a little bit because it's something I know.
01:11:18.440But I think a lot of it too, I think, is language, is simple language that probably ends up with, you know, most ordinary people who are only casually interested in, you know, the struggle for democracy in China or events in the Middle East or the strange creature that has come to occupy all the spaces where the liberal party used to be.
01:12:10.840Very authoritarian, very much a sort of state capitalist thought control kind of way of looking at politics.
01:12:23.020Well, you know, one of the things our discussion is sort of highlighting, I think, is that let's say you adopt the narrative that the center is corrupt and patriarchal and oppressive and Canada's destiny is post-national.
01:12:37.660Okay, now, one hypothetical problem with that is, well, what rises to take the place of the center?
01:12:46.480And you've pointed to all sorts of things, like a demented kind of neo-Marxism, the rise of an authoritarian UN on the foreign policy front, the dire and dismal influence of the Chinese Communist Party,
01:12:58.860the rise of the Islamist faction of the increasingly large Muslim population, and then, well, okay, that's for, and then the rise, and the associated rise of the, yeah, yeah, the colonialist narrative that casts Israel as king of the oppressive states, right?
01:13:23.340Well, so it's this fractionation, you know, once that center collapses, instead of everybody becoming free, you get this absurd fractionation, and then a war between different, what would you say, centers of power.
01:13:36.740And we're trying to flesh out the pattern of that.
01:13:39.820I mean, you pointed to a lot of things that are going wrong simultaneously, and there's some thread that unites them, but some of it's just emblematic of a kind of chaotic collapse of identity, right?
01:13:51.380And so, and Trudeau's going to step out of this, leaving us in Canada in a terrible mess.
01:13:58.740I mean, I know him, and what I've seen so far, I'm happy about.
01:14:05.180I mean, I've been talking to conservatives in Canada ever since 2016, really, when I sort of burst onto the scene in my opposition to Bill C-16.
01:14:15.640You know, and the conservatives that I talked to eight years ago were much more timid bunch than the conservatives that are emerging in Canada now.
01:14:26.900And so, Poliev and Daniel Smith, they're both tough people.
01:14:30.980And so, that's heartening as far as I'm concerned.
01:14:34.360Whether Poliev is in a position to right the ship that Trudeau has inverted, that's a whole different question.
01:14:41.880I mean, I wish him well, but I'm also pleased in a, what would you say, personal sense that I don't have his job.
01:14:49.800Because, like, I mean, I look at Canada with a kind of horror at the moment, because we are in very bad shape economically.
01:14:58.060And, I mean, just the fact that just, Canadians now make 60% as much as the average American.
01:15:05.700And our real estate is twice as expensive.
01:15:07.560Yeah, and the trajectory is downward, right?
01:15:10.900And I think it was, what, with World, was it World Economic Forum or the World Bank?
01:15:23.500Well, and that's on top of the fact, that's adjacent to the fact that if Canada had its act together in anything approximating a realistic manner, at least the West could be rich beyond belief.
01:15:35.540Because it's definitely the case that the world is dying, fighting for our natural resources.
01:15:42.340And, I mean, you saw the fact that the German Chancellor and the Japanese Prime Minister came cap and hand to Trudeau and said,
01:15:48.600How about some natural gas for your friends there, buddy?
01:15:52.280And his argument was, I can't make a business case for that.
01:15:56.580And the thing is, that was before Canadians re-elected him.
01:16:00.040And they just re-elected the NDP in British Columbia.
01:16:03.620And so I look at Canada and I think, we're in serious trouble and we have by no means even begun to learn our lesson.
01:16:10.560And that's a relatively terrifying prospect.
01:16:12.400Be very, very careful when you use the term we.
01:16:16.440Only 20% of Canadians voted for Trudeau in the last election.
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01:19:52.120Like, you talked about a lot of things today that could have occupied your attention and obviously have.
01:19:57.960Now, you and Barry at the Free Press put a lot of time and effort into this particular article, and it's a pretty hard-hitting article, and it's quite distressing, if you have any sense at all.
01:20:09.220So, why is it the phenomenon of rising anti-Semitism, or is it even anti-Semitism?
01:20:14.960Is it the dominance of the pro-Hamas movement?
01:22:54.160Yeah, well, I'm shocked by what's happened to Canada.
01:22:57.780I mean, one of the precipitating factors in my recent move to the United States was Bill C-63.
01:23:04.300I don't know if you've managed to delve into the weeds with regards to Bill C-63.
01:23:09.860But it's a bill that's so awful that every time I read it, I think, because I'm not a lawyer, you know,
01:23:17.300I think there's no way I'm understanding this properly, you know.
01:23:20.980And then I read it again and I think, yeah, well, you know, usually I can understand what I'm reading.
01:23:25.780And this is, I mean, it's such a dense web of stunning, incompetent malevolence because it starts with these pronouncements about protecting children from online exploitation and pornography.
01:23:39.920Simultaneously, of course, the biggest pornography network in the world operates out of Canada, right?
01:23:45.380That's Pornhub, which operates out of Montreal.
01:23:47.300And to call it a despicable organization is to barely scrape the surface.
01:23:52.380If Trudeau and his minions were the least bit serious about protecting children from online pornography, there's a lot better places they can start than Bill C-63.
01:24:01.260But virtue signaling at the beginning, virtue signaling at the end, we're protecting children.
01:24:06.360It's like, yeah, I don't think you are.
01:24:09.280But then in the middle, there's all these clauses detailing out first the construction of a bureaucracy, which, as far as I can tell, would have unlimited power, all the power of the court and the power of unlimited growth.
01:24:23.560And it says right in the bill that that court system, a new parallel court system, would not be bound by the traditional standards of evidence.
01:24:35.460You know, here's the former director, I forgot his name, he's a lovely guy, the former chief commissioner of the Human Rights Commission, federal, said this is all, you know, it's horrible, it's ridiculous.
01:24:47.480And I think they know damn well that there's absolutely no way that any of this will withstand a charter challenge.
01:24:54.820And the point of this is, well, the point of this, and this is the case that he makes that I think is persuasive, is they're just trying to scare you.
01:25:10.520No, but I really thought through Bill C-63.
01:25:13.900Like, I've already had my fair share of trouble with the Ontario College of Psychologists because they have weaponized, they have allowed activists to weaponize their complaint process.
01:25:25.680And what could be done to be under the auspices of Bill C-63 make what happened with the college, who I've managed to successfully battle off so far, look like nothing.
01:25:37.140Like, here's how what we've been discussing, particularly anti-Semitism, directly relates to this concern of yours in the matter of Bill C-63.
01:25:46.960And it also directly relates to how I've been attacked for merely noticing that a lot of what we've heard about mass graves, this archipelago of mass graves across the country at residential schools, it's a fiction.
01:26:04.260There is a proposal, and it's supported by the Justice Minister, Arif Farhani.
01:26:22.880Which is an absurd abstraction to insert it into the same section of the criminal code that outlaws incitement against the Jews by Holocaust.
01:26:38.640Yeah, that's perfectly in keeping with the way they view it.
01:26:41.620And this is all about just shutting people up.
01:26:45.260And the other one, and I think we didn't even talk about this, the most pernicious, is this recent construction of anti-Palestinian racism.
01:26:58.100But if you look at the definition of it, and again, you know, Trudeau says he's willing to adopt this in some form, as has the Justice Minister said the same.
01:27:08.100The standard definition of anti-Palestinian racism devised by the Arab-Canadian Lawyers Association, which I've never heard of before, and I think this is all they've ever done, is any utterance of a conventional Zionist standpoint cannot but be understood as anti-Palestinian racism.
01:27:32.980So that would include support for the fact of Israel's existence.
01:27:37.100The mere support for the fact of Israel's existence as a Jewish sovereignty in the Holy Land.
01:27:43.100That if you confront or deny or dispute the Palestinian narrative, if you dispute the Nakba, if you deny the right of Palestinians, their claim to title of all of historic Palestine, then you are engaging in anti-Palestinian racism.
01:28:03.300In other words, then you're a Zionist.
01:28:11.940Well, so in Bill C-63, there's a provision, which I've read several times, that if I am afraid, because that's the language in the bill, that Terry might utter something hateful in the next year,
01:28:27.780so let's say that would be your support for the existence of Israel, then I can bring you in front of a provincial magistrate, and he can fit you with an electronic bracelet, and you can be confined to your home for a year.
01:28:41.280And all of your social media posting will be disallowed, and whoever you see will be regulated, and, and this is something I just can't figure out at all.
01:28:50.280It's so preposterous that it beggars belief.
01:28:53.960You will be required to donate body fluid on a regular basis to your physician to have it monitored on a daily basis.
01:29:26.740Because if you want to protect, if you want to mitigate the probability of domestic abuse, limiting the abuser's alcohol consumption is actually a logical move.
01:29:35.660I'm not claiming that on ethical or legal grounds.
01:29:38.080I just mean that alcohol does increase the probability of abuse substantively.
01:29:42.540And I can't imagine where else they would have got the idea, but that's in that bill in black and white.
01:31:01.720Because my experience with the Ontario College of Psychologists, I would say, suggests otherwise.
01:31:06.760Because none of my professional colleagues have, including physicians, with pretty much zero exception, have stood up publicly and said that what's happened to me is wrong.
01:31:26.180They're afraid because the professional colleges have unlimited power of regulation over the members of regulated professions, which is pretty much what my Supreme Court challenge denial indicated.
01:31:43.080And if a professional is brought to task, let's say, by their professional college and loses their license, then they're terrified.
01:31:57.780And I looked at C63 carefully, and it would produce a parallel bureaucracy, a bureaucracy that would regulate the speech and conduct of all Canadians in almost precisely the same way that the professional colleges regulate the speech and conduct of regulated professionals.
01:32:13.260I don't think Canadians would stand up.
01:32:39.380You know, and I've talked to many physicians in particular, because it's mostly physicians I've talked to who are terrified of the Ontario College of Physicians, for example, because they'll make their life.
01:32:51.080I mean, this bloody court case, for me, has gone on eight years.
01:33:02.320Like, they can't take me out because I have independent sources of income and a reasonable public voice.
01:33:08.800But you have to be in a pretty unique position to be able to withstand that sort of lawfare for that amount of time.
01:33:18.440Like, I don't practice as a clinical psychologist anymore, and that became impossible in, like, 2017.
01:33:24.260Just like being a professor became impossible.
01:33:26.960So, like, these, the forces that can be brought to bear against you, if you dare open your mouth, are more than most people can or will bear.
01:33:44.240The third one was entrepreneurial, and it was under my control.
01:33:47.480But two was a lot, and three would have been, well, catastrophic.
01:33:52.240And so, if you only have one, and that's your professional practice, well, it's not surprising that people are cowed and intimidated into silence.
01:34:00.820And so, okay, well, we have to wrap up on the YouTube side, and I think what we'll do on the Daily Wire side is we'll continue our discussion about Canada.
01:34:11.520And I'm curious about your thoughts about, well, the Conservatives under Pierre Polyev.
01:34:17.560I want to know what you think about him.
01:34:19.620I want, you said that you're, you know, habitually an optimist and that you're still optimistic about Canada in general.
01:34:26.000And there are reasons to be optimistic.
01:34:27.460I mean, Canada's a remarkable country, and the run-of-the-mill Canadian is a decent and law-abiding, orderly, trustworthy person.
01:34:47.140And, you know, and as we said, we deprioritized the Quebec sovereignists, right?
01:34:51.620So you can see how, and they've been a fundamental threat to Canadian integrity for like 40 years.
01:34:57.280So on the Daily Wire side, let's turn our attention to Canada's future, dire and positive, you know, because we can flesh out both alternatives.
01:35:05.980And I think for you international people who are listening, you know, the reason to be concerned about Canadian politics, which have actually become of some interest internationally in the last nine years, is because, like the Jews in Canada and in the U.S., maybe in the West worldwide, Canada is also a canary in the coal mine, because Justin Trudeau is a poster boy for the progressives worldwide.
01:35:28.940And whatever strange political tangents we're meandering down in Canada are isomorphic with the political threats that exist in the U.K. and the United States, although now less to some degree, Australia, New Zealand, the West in general.
01:35:46.180And so delving into what's happening here and how that might be rectified is a enterprise that might be worthwhile on the international front as well.
01:35:57.940So join us on the Daily Wire side if you're inclined to do that.
01:36:01.300Terry, thank you very much. It was a pleasure.
01:36:07.420Yeah, and I certainly appreciate the article in the Free Press.
01:36:12.280You know, I've been writing about, what would you say, pathological group conflict for a very long period of time.
01:36:21.220And it's a terrible thing to see it rear its head in Canada.
01:36:24.340It's a terrible thing, and it's very useful to draw attention to it.
01:36:29.280And you did that very effectively internationally, and it was very good at Barry to publish it as well.
01:36:33.560And hopefully it'll clue more Canadians into what's going on and into the seriousness of that for the Jews, which is not trivial, as you pointed out, in and of itself,
01:36:44.780but also as a bellwether for just exactly where we're headed.