The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast - 513. Hollywood Undone and the Return to Comedy ｜ Rob Schneider

00:00:00.000 When there was only 200-odd million people in America, they would all watch the Academy Awards.

00:00:04.560 And happily. And everyone was thrilled to do it.

00:00:07.420 And then what happened was they started making these decisions.

00:00:10.680 You cannot win an Academy Award unless you have 40% LBGTQ, unless you have people a certain percentage of color. 1.00

00:00:17.040 The crew is this. And so from that, I think it became an easy kind of pincer move.

00:00:22.100 It just kind of continued closing the door quicker.

00:00:24.800 It's a pronounced minority of people in the world who have anything approximating the right to free speech.

00:00:30.600 So the fact that we take it for granted is something like a miracle.

00:00:33.740 What happens is there becomes the machine that comes into place and that takes advantage of certain situations like this.

00:00:42.240 That doesn't want to go away because that machine is making money.

00:00:45.380 When the king dies, chaos breaks out everywhere. It's like the rise of a hydra.

00:00:50.380 Something like that seems to be occurring in the West since about 2012.

00:00:56.200 The system is crumbling. If this doesn't change, nothing else matters.

00:01:00.480 This shit has to stop. 1.00

00:01:01.660 So I had the opportunity today to sit down in Scottsdale, Arizona with Rob Schneider. 1.00

00:01:20.940 And Rob's been, what, stand-up comedian, a movie star, an author.

00:01:26.520 He's got this new book called You Can Do It, entitled You Can Do It.

00:01:31.660 So we discussed this book.

00:01:34.200 We discussed, well, to some degree, the origins of comedy in Hollywood and the collapse of the Hollywood star system.

00:01:43.340 We talked about the direction in which entertainment is likely to go in the near future.

00:01:47.600 We talked about the role of Hollywood in its own demise, preferring the politically correct pathway to the pathway of genuine artistic commitment and also genuine humor.

00:02:00.960 We talked about our hopes that maybe that is coming to an end.

00:02:05.060 Our curiosity about what the comedians, especially the successful comedians on the center right, let's say,

00:02:11.860 the podcasters, for example, who've been spectacularly successful over the last five or six years,

00:02:18.240 what they're going to turn to now in the aftermath of the Trump victory.

00:02:22.040 What role are the comedians as critics going to play now that the tide has turned and there's a new king in town, so to speak?

00:02:30.380 So that's going to be very interesting.

00:02:31.960 We talked about, well, we talked about Rob's book, which is a testament to the power of free speech.

00:02:39.060 We talked about the fact that he decided to turn in the conservative direction for a liberal relatively early on in the course of the culture war,

00:02:51.980 really starting to get involved in the political and not in the typical Hollywood manner by about 2014.

00:03:00.060 And we discussed why that happened and what it meant and what the consequences have been for his career and potentially for the future.

00:03:09.020 So join us for that.

00:03:11.520 So I've been making my way through this.

00:03:14.160 You can do it.

00:03:15.180 And I want to ask you some questions about what I derived from reading it.

00:03:20.780 So it seems to me to be fair to say that you're a part of the club of, what would you say, unwitting and surprised conservatives.

00:03:32.140 Yes.

00:03:32.860 Right?

00:03:33.200 I mean, you characterize yourself in the book as a classic liberal.

00:03:36.740 That's always how I've thought of myself.

00:03:39.200 Although I would say I'm more conservative in my views than I was 10 years ago.

00:03:43.420 That might be age to some degree because people do get more conservative as they get older.

00:03:48.300 I think so.

00:03:49.060 I've thought through conservatism a bit more and realized why I'm more conservative than I thought.

00:03:54.360 Or maybe I realized under what conditions classic liberalism still retains its function.

00:04:01.620 Yes.

00:04:01.740 So anyways, you describe yourself as a classic liberal.

00:04:04.640 I do.

00:04:04.880 Well, I think it's important to terms seem to be, as you well know, seem to be an imposition for people.

00:04:17.220 In other words, they want to, in this tribal nature that we find ourselves in our society, people seem to group themselves and identify themselves very strongly, whether it's liberalism speaks to young people.

00:04:31.800 Whereas, and what I want to do is, because I think of words have been manipulated and have been.

00:04:38.980 Bastardized. 0.62

00:04:39.720 Bastardized. 0.99

00:04:40.340 Like, you know. 0.81

00:04:41.020 That's what universities are for.

00:04:42.940 They're to bastardize words.

00:04:44.700 Well, the word Nazi has gone from someone who is a member of the National Socialist Party and someone who is a, who, or a neo-Nazi would be someone who still adheres to the policies of some things that are the National Socialists and the anti-Semitism and so forth.

00:05:00.380 But now it has devolved to the point, you're a Nazi if you have taken up two parking spaces with your Elon Musk new truck.

00:05:11.720 Or if you disagree with Joey Reed. 0.97

00:05:14.140 It's like, you're a Nazi, definitely.

00:05:16.380 So to get people over the fence, I like to just challenge them or just tell them, there's no such thing as conservatives anymore.

00:05:22.420 Yeah.

00:05:22.760 There's just liberals that aren't crazy.

00:05:25.420 Yeah.

00:05:25.760 And they go, well, what does that mean?

00:05:27.360 Well, what is traditional liberalism?

00:05:29.140 And if I am traditional liberalism, I think you'd have to define it as someone who is for civil rights, gay rights, women's rights, equality.

00:05:38.920 Don't judge a person by the color of their skin.

00:05:41.100 It's pretty basic traditional liberalism.

00:05:43.700 Free speech, unfettered free speech, debate, discourse.

00:05:47.900 Let the best idea rise to the surface.

00:05:51.340 That's traditional liberalism.

00:05:52.980 If you want to call that conservatism now.

00:05:55.320 But I prefer to say we're traditional liberals that just aren't crazy.

00:05:59.740 Yeah.

00:06:00.100 Okay.

00:06:00.420 So let's delve into that a little bit.

00:06:01.980 I mean, I think one of the compelling differences or the compelling definitional features of classic liberalism is the insistence that it's the individual, that human beings should be regarded as individuals first and foremost, right?

00:06:18.100 Is that the fact of your singular individuality is the defining hallmark of your identity.

00:06:23.460 Yes.

00:06:23.820 I agree.

00:06:24.580 Okay.

00:06:25.140 And I think both conservatism and progressivism can, what would you say, diverge from that.

00:06:32.040 The progressives diverge in that they insist that group identity trumps individual identity.

00:06:38.660 But the conservatives have that proclivity too, right?

00:06:41.200 Because they might prioritize, especially the more traditional conservative types, as you move farther to the right, they might prioritize religious faith or national identity.

00:06:51.860 And I certainly have always believed that the primary level of analysis when you're dealing with human beings should be the individual.

00:07:02.200 But one of the things that I've wrestled with in the last 10 years is maybe the realization that that only works if the bedrock of society is in place, right?

00:07:15.180 So when the Scots invented liberalism, I think that's a reasonable historical proclamation.

00:07:24.040 There was some unstated elements to their liberalism.

00:07:28.680 And the unstated element was, well, we all share a set of presumptions that we don't have to talk about.

00:07:35.780 We hold these things as self-evident, right?

00:07:38.360 Like the founders of the United States.

00:07:41.880 And if that's the case and it remains the case, then we can be free and be defined as individualism.

00:07:47.660 Right.

00:07:48.000 But nationalism does come into play and is important when the nation is attacked.

00:07:52.980 When you do feel that the nation is under threat, the nationalism is important.

00:07:57.200 However, the individual must always, the individualism and the rights of the individual must take precedence.

00:08:06.900 Yeah.

00:08:07.220 Always.

00:08:08.140 But I felt like the state was under attack.

00:08:11.260 You did feel like some of the foundational principles of our country recently was under attack.

00:08:17.000 The attack on freedom of speech, which is something that you just, you know, moving on in your 20s and 30s, you just think it's never, it's not going to be an issue in your life.

00:08:26.800 That your freedom to speak your mind is going to be something, especially someone who is in the public eye and is a comedian.

00:08:35.400 Right.

00:08:35.660 Would think that that would be something you would be.

00:08:37.700 That you'd take for granted.

00:08:38.800 Yeah.

00:08:39.240 Yeah.

00:08:39.400 You would just, this is, this is something that is, has always been, you make the assumption and then you, it's always going to continue.

00:08:46.520 You don't realize that it was something from 1791 in the United States and the, the citizen and the rights of man in France.

00:08:55.800 It was, it's 1789.

00:08:57.780 It lasted for the free speech in France, lasted for four years before they started cutting off people's heads again. 0.80

00:09:03.420 Well, in the United States, it's lasted a long time.

00:09:06.260 So it, it has become something that we did take for granted.

00:09:10.300 So when it was attacked in relatively short order during the pandemic, you realize that this is not something that is just going to take care of itself.

00:09:20.140 That it's just a piece of paper, ultimately our constitution and our bill of rights.

00:09:24.480 And if people don't stand up for it, yes, it can be taken away.

00:09:28.400 And when you have potential leaders like Kamala Harris and Tim Wall's paper say that the, the free speech, our right to free speech is a privilege.

00:09:40.620 They're not a, a guarantee, guaranteed.

00:09:44.260 Yeah.

00:09:44.780 Something attributed to people by the state.

00:09:47.080 Yeah.

00:09:47.200 I mean, you can have a privilege as a driver's license.

00:09:49.380 You can have, you can, congratulations, you've passed the test.

00:09:52.360 Yeah.

00:09:52.700 You can drive it, but if you're, they can take your driver's license away if you drink and drive.

00:09:56.600 Especially if you do it several times.

00:09:58.000 So if you speak and drive.

00:09:59.860 Yeah.

00:10:00.660 They can take it away.

00:10:01.980 Speak and drink, I guess it is.

00:10:03.380 Yeah.

00:10:04.260 I didn't think it was something that I needed to worry about.

00:10:07.740 So as a comedian, I just assumed that this was just going to continue.

00:10:12.720 However, with the consolidation of powers, especially in the tech, the tech industries with these so-called liberals in mostly in Northern California,

00:10:24.800 they seemed to have a, got a grip on the culture and on communication and on power and the consolidation of that.

00:10:33.860 And that became something when they started to make decisions that affected the society at large.

00:10:40.460 That was something that.

00:10:41.440 So was it specifically the pandemic for you that was the wake-up call?

00:10:45.240 I think it was coming before that.

00:10:46.940 Yeah.

00:10:47.280 Okay.

00:10:47.680 I think it did come before that.

00:10:49.120 I think you don't realize the tentacles that really, when they say it's an oligarchy.

00:10:56.820 Remember Noam Shomsky says the United States is an oligarchy.

00:10:59.680 It was like, oh, no, it's not.

00:11:01.760 It's a constitutional republic.

00:11:03.420 What does he mean?

00:11:03.920 Well, he means that there are centers of power that are controlling how our government works.

00:11:10.240 It's the underpinnings of it.

00:11:11.520 And those people don't leave.

00:11:12.980 So when the pharmaceutical industry can buy off or can pay and be the largest contributor to not only a federal, a senator on the federal level or a congressman, but also on the state level, then that is power.

00:11:29.580 When they can actually write the legislation and hand it to a state legislature through the medical board that they control, all of a sudden, these freedoms that I just assumed we had are illusory.

00:11:46.380 And we are told what to do by this group.

00:11:49.760 So that was a point to me around 2014 where I realized that there really was a problem, a fundamental problem.

00:11:59.840 And then when Obama put in allowed to have propaganda within the United States from government agencies in 2013.

00:12:12.060 And what are you referring to there?

00:12:13.600 Well, well, they had, well, there was always, you could, the CIA and the, the, the, the spy agencies could always, you know, use propaganda for other countries.

00:12:25.080 But then there was, oh, yes, they had legislation passed in 2013.

00:12:29.140 I'm sorry, I'm blanking on the name now.

00:12:31.060 I'll come up with it.

00:12:32.080 But whether that propaganda could actually happen to Americans in America.

00:12:36.940 So that was seemed to be, that was different.

00:12:39.820 I mean, it goes back to like Woodrow Wilson, where he ran on, I kept us out of war.

00:12:47.060 And as soon as he got reelected, he got us into war.

00:12:50.260 And then there was the propaganda that through the, through Congress, it was, it was approved that they could use propaganda in the United States.

00:13:02.060 And so what you really had, you had, you know, the burning of Belgian babies.

00:13:07.640 And you had this, you know, we, the Hun is doing these horrible things that they weren't doing.

00:13:14.160 And it was propaganda.

00:13:15.840 But, you know, because you have to think about during World War I, Americans are mostly all farmers.

00:13:22.020 And like Europe was way over there.

00:13:24.340 They have their hogs and their pigs to deal with and their farm.

00:13:27.800 They don't want to get involved in that war.

00:13:29.420 So isolationism was a, not only a defendable, but a practical foreign policy at the time.

00:13:37.080 And so Woodrow Wilson wanted to change that and did very effectively.

00:13:41.420 But he did it through propaganda.

00:13:43.120 So you start to see, when you start to see propaganda under Obama, and then you, you kind of see the shift.

00:13:52.200 And I think Douglas Murray talks about pretty, you know, in a beautiful way.

00:13:57.680 He describes how we have, when things have never been better with race, they try to convince you it's never been worse. 0.86

00:14:07.620 So we had, so I noticed these things happening.

00:14:10.520 See, we're, it's a funny thing.

00:14:12.060 It was coming together, but it wasn't all.

00:14:13.700 Well, yeah, yeah.

00:14:14.160 So.

00:14:14.540 It didn't coalesce till the pandemic.

00:14:15.680 There's a, there's a very old idea that you see replicated in mythological stories and fairy tales and so forth very frequently.

00:14:26.960 That when the king dies, let's say, that chaos breaks out everywhere.

00:14:34.260 It's like the rise of a hydra, right?

00:14:36.800 Serpent with a multitude of heads.

00:14:38.860 And something like that seems to be occurring in the West that's accelerated since about 2012.

00:14:48.520 Well, it's, maybe it's a consequence of the insistence that the patriarchal order should dissolve, right?

00:14:56.840 That's like a variant of the idea that God is dead.

00:15:00.040 The central patriarchal or paternal authority disappears.

00:15:03.580 And the delusional presumption is that the consequence of that dissolution will be the flowering of a kind of untrammeled freedom.

00:15:15.740 But the reality is the dissolution into something like a warring oligarchy where there's multiple sources of power.

00:15:25.680 And they're all, what would you say?

00:15:28.660 They're all vying in their particular way for supremacy.

00:15:31.560 And there's a totalitarian spirit that emerges out of that that's very much antithetical to anything approximating freedom. 1.00

00:15:41.800 What I saw was a push to say that the Western world is shit and everything we've done is garbage. 0.99

00:15:50.700 And that there really are no rights and that all these other people are being oppressed. 1.00

00:15:55.240 And I went like, I don't see that.

00:15:56.980 But what that really was, was a bad, was an attack by bad faith actors.

00:16:02.220 So when you see this kind of coming together and I go, how is this going to, how is it going to work its way out?

00:16:08.840 Because it seems like pretty obvious to me, these are bad faith actors because Western civilization has created wonderful things.

00:16:15.560 And especially comparatively speaking.

00:16:17.720 Yeah.

00:16:18.100 I mean, what is the alt, what is the, what's the actual alternative?

00:16:21.460 Yeah.

00:16:22.040 What is it?

00:16:22.700 And, and, um.

00:16:24.060 It's not hippies traipsing through the woods and engaging in free love.

00:16:27.740 It's not that.

00:16:28.560 It's dynasty and oligarchy and authoritarianism and terror.

00:16:31.760 And in the guise of this utopia.

00:16:33.740 I mean, it's going to be a wonderful thing. 1.00

00:16:35.200 What you have now is garbage. 0.98

00:16:36.600 This, this, you don't really have freedom. 0.99

00:16:38.500 You have your freedom.

00:16:40.140 You don't even know that you're oppressing these other people.

00:16:42.660 That was the one that got me.

00:16:44.600 You are in a system of oppression and you're in an unknowing, you're an unknowing participant oppressing these other people.

00:16:51.800 Yeah.

00:16:51.980 And I want to thank the universities for that realization.

00:16:54.880 Definitely.

00:16:55.640 Yeah.

00:16:55.820 And so from that, I think it became an easy, uh, kind of pincer move when the pandemic came in to just kind of continue closing the door quicker.

00:17:04.760 So with our rights being taken away and, um, you know, the constitution and the founding fathers had a plague at the time of the, uh, the revolution, but they didn't stop.

00:17:17.420 They didn't stop trying to get rid of the Brits at the time.

00:17:19.420 So we got to, let's call a timeout here on the revolution because we're having a smallpox epidemic.

00:17:25.060 So we're going to ask for a cessation of hostilities.

00:17:27.860 No.

00:17:28.620 So the, as a matter of fact, the constitution was really, it was built, uh, for problems.

00:17:34.060 Right.

00:17:34.460 And the worst of times, it was, there was nothing in it to suspend it.

00:17:39.000 So, but it can be done.

00:17:41.760 And it's-

00:17:42.060 And quite quickly.

00:17:43.280 And it will.

00:17:44.220 And most people will go along with it.

00:17:45.780 And most people go along with it.

00:17:46.600 At least under some circumstances.

00:17:48.420 Yeah.

00:17:48.500 Yeah.

00:17:48.720 And, and what is the percentage of those people and who are those people?

00:17:51.880 You kind of saw it.

00:17:53.440 Um, there seems to be a third of these and the Stanley Milgram study kind of points out that there are people,

00:18:01.320 people, and you would hope that you wouldn't be one of them who would just keep, uh, you know, the experiment.

00:18:07.420 There's a guy in the other room.

00:18:08.560 You know the, you know the experiment for, for some of your, uh, listeners who don't.

00:18:12.560 Um, Stanley Milgram would have somebody, an authority figure in a white coat and he'd be asking him to push a button and there'd be somebody in another room screaming through a glass.

00:18:22.200 And so keep pushing, keep pushing it, turn it up, turn it up to the point.

00:18:26.040 And even to the point of death, they would, there was a, as an astounding 65% of the people went along with it.

00:18:32.720 Now that study had some particular problems, but the majority of it, I think still holds that people will go along if the authorities tell them to do something.

00:18:41.100 And I think if anything, the pandemic proved that again, that how well do, would you behave in this situation?

00:18:48.220 And you saw people that behaved well and people that didn't, people that were going to be, who finally in a position to be bullies, finally in a position to crush other people and did.

00:18:58.800 I remember in Australia seeing somebody getting tackled and thrown to the ground by this brute, just for the offense of not having a mask.

00:19:07.320 I mean, maybe he could be asked to leave if that's the law of the land.

00:19:10.960 Maybe he can be asked to go outside or maybe he can be provided with a mask in that particular environment.

00:19:16.680 However, for him to be tackled, thrown onto the ground and given a concussion seems to be a...

00:19:22.560 A bit of an overreaction, you might say.

00:19:25.320 So basically, your observation is that a variety of, there were a variety of causal factors that gave rise to what happened during the pandemic and the pandemic crystallized it.

00:19:39.520 It did.

00:19:40.100 Yeah, that seems about right.

00:19:41.800 Well, the potential for society to always get to a, to a, to an ugly place, I would say, to a place...

00:19:48.740 Well, as you point out in your book, it's a, it's a pronounced minority of people in the world who have anything approximating the right to free speech, right?

00:19:58.000 That's very rare.

00:19:58.880 So the fact that we take it for granted is something like a miracle.

00:20:02.440 It's a foolish miracle in a way because the fact that it's barely existed throughout human history and barely exists now attests to the difficulty of establishing a state where that's the, where that's the, what, expectation.

00:20:17.700 And keeping it.

00:20:18.380 I mean, we've had 117 billion people who've been alive in the history of the world.

00:20:23.220 Of those, how few were, were able to be granted the, the grace and the, and the, the great gift of being able to speak their mind.

00:20:34.240 And that was what's so interesting about the United States and why, you know, Alexander de Tocqueville really appreciated America was, 0.99

00:20:43.040 here was this, these group of farmers, basically, ignorant farmers who were able to say that their, people who ran their government were fools and idiots and were able to speak their mind. 0.98

00:20:55.440 I mean, that was something from somebody from coming from France and not too far removed from Napoleon, seemed to be a unique civilization. 0.99

00:21:04.560 So I think, um, see, it's a funny thing too, because it isn't only that you have the right to free speech.

00:21:14.500 It's actually, because you would only characterize it that way if you believe that free speech was something like a hedonic pleasure, right?

00:21:23.020 I can say whatever I want, but that's, that underplays the importance of the principle because you have a responsibility to free speech.

00:21:32.400 And the fact that you can speak freely might be desirable to you.

00:21:37.040 And it might even make you happy, although sometimes it wouldn't provide a living too.

00:21:41.140 Yes.

00:21:41.400 For you that, well, yeah, for anybody creative, which is a crucial thing to understand, right?

00:21:46.040 Creative people only have the freedom of their creative expression.

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00:22:56.000 Part of the, there's a huge advantage to me that you have the right to free speech because I get to hear what you think.

00:23:05.340 And so if you're wrong, I can learn how things are wrong.

00:23:09.480 And if you're right, then I can listen to you and not have to suffer through whatever you had to suffer through to become wise in that manner.

00:23:17.280 Right.

00:23:17.980 Well, I'm pointing this out because we make a big mistake when we think of free, the right to free speech as a hedonic right.

00:23:27.280 Right.

00:23:27.580 That's what I was expressing.

00:23:28.660 It's way more.

00:23:29.160 It is.

00:23:29.720 Well, it's actually, it's a tool and it's a, it really is the primary, it is the primary defensive weapon of our citizenry that we have.

00:23:42.120 I mean, that's why it was, it is the First Amendment.

00:23:44.280 They could have made it the second.

00:23:45.260 They could have put guns first.

00:23:46.340 But the founding fathers actually thought that even more than guns, the way to protect our citizenry and our republic from tyranny was unfettered free speech.

00:23:58.460 Well, it's also the way to ensure that not only that society is protected from tyranny, but that it thrives.

00:24:05.540 Because from a psychological perspective, there's very little difference between freedom of speech and the right to think.

00:24:17.420 And thought is how you adapt to changing circumstances.

00:24:21.280 And so the fact that the United States is the most dynamic economy in the world is a direct consequence of the fact that free speech rights are so well protected here.

00:24:31.820 Because there can be people like Elon Musk here.

00:24:35.080 Right.

00:24:35.340 Right, and he's firing in 15 directions at the same time.

00:24:41.980 Right.

00:24:42.160 And he can do that.

00:24:43.360 Because?

00:24:44.080 Well, because, yeah, because the right is established.

00:24:47.640 And the consequence of that is that we all benefit from it.

00:24:50.540 We do.

00:24:50.920 Well, you cannot innovate unless you have the ability.

00:24:53.160 Yeah, right, exactly.

00:24:53.800 You can't create and you can't, if you're thinking about your own limitations.

00:24:58.760 And that's why, you know, China doesn't have the same amount of Nobel laureates as the West and we do in the West.

00:25:06.080 Because they're good at stealing IP.

00:25:08.400 They're very good, yes.

00:25:09.560 Yes, very good.

00:25:11.340 But, I mean, the, that's what was so worrisome to me is that the, you know, the neocons who, we don't really know who has been running the country, the United States government.

00:25:22.520 We know it's not Biden.

00:25:23.640 You don't think it's Biden?

00:25:24.280 We know it's not Biden from his beach chair in a very ugly beach in Delaware.

00:25:29.540 If you're the president of the United States, go to Florida, go to Hawaii, go to the Bahamas.

00:25:33.840 Don't go to your beach in Delaware.

00:25:35.300 It seems a very sad beach, very, very dreary kind of beach.

00:25:40.220 The sand isn't very nice.

00:25:41.420 There's not a lot of it.

00:25:42.280 It's mostly rocks.

00:25:43.120 And then there's, you know, you know, the, that, the foliage of, of the beach, which is also very ugly.

00:25:49.660 Um, so now all the people in Delaware are very unhappy with you.

00:25:54.960 Well, they should go to Florida for a pleasant beach.

00:25:57.680 So who was running, who was running the government?

00:26:00.100 We don't know.

00:26:01.400 And we have a right to know.

00:26:03.400 Junior staffers educated at Ivy League universities.

00:26:06.600 Yeah, well, I'm afraid that that's more true than we might think.

00:26:09.740 I think we have a right to know.

00:26:11.360 And it's, um, the idea that somehow you don't and that the Democrats are like, you don't, don't worry.

00:26:17.120 We're going to do what's best for you.

00:26:18.640 We have the right.

00:26:19.300 And at the same time, we're going to fly in Haitians in the middle of the night. 0.96

00:26:22.960 And we're going to just set up so that, make sure that the next election cycle, Ohio, will turn.

00:26:27.720 It just, uh, turned blue completely.

00:26:30.280 It was just so blatant that finally Americans had had enough.

00:26:35.920 Yeah, thank God.

00:26:37.020 And it was really, and I think it was important for the world too, because I do see, um, you know,

00:26:43.080 I always thought the, the parliamentary system was great because it's so fast.

00:26:47.120 I mean, you can act quickly.

00:26:48.960 Like for instance, um, when I was making a movie in Amsterdam, people were able to complain to parliament very quickly so that I couldn't shoot the next day in the same location.

00:26:58.220 They, uh, so it's very responsive, but, um, the good thing about this Republican, um, is that we really do have these safeguards that are pretty strong.

00:27:09.740 Like for instance, you don't hear any Democrats today talking about expanding the Supreme Court or about, um, abandoning the filibuster because they're no longer in power.

00:27:20.280 Right, right.

00:27:21.000 So there, there's no call for that, but those are safeguards, you know, and we do have a system.

00:27:26.880 It's, it is susceptible to bad faith actors for sure, especially in our culture, in the broad culture, but in our, in our government itself, it's a pretty good system.

00:27:36.360 I mean, the, the Supreme Court, um, that is a good backstop for a lot of the craziness that can be tried by our government.

00:27:44.120 It is a last, uh, last gasp and, and they do have to respond to that.

00:27:48.500 And so, unfortunately, since 9-11 though, that's one of the, the things that I think have led to our potential, to, to our particular problems that we've had now and our attack on our Republic is the Congress has abdicated their legislative powers and they've just given it to the president because of the Patriot Act.

00:28:09.640 So basically the Patriot, I mean, the, the, the founding fathers had never designed our, our government to, for the president is just, you know, rule as an emperor.

00:28:19.840 Yeah, well, it's an odd thing that the worst possible consequence of a terrorist attack is that it isn't the attack itself.

00:28:28.720 It's, it's, it's the reaction to the attack that makes the attack successful.

00:28:34.000 Well, I mean, a lot of, well, you know, I hate airports.

00:28:38.340 I hate them.

00:28:39.240 Like I, I was unbearable to travel with, with my wife for like 10 years.

00:28:43.560 We finally figured out how to work it out.

00:28:46.320 But every time I went into an airport after 9-11, I thought they're training everybody to accept the doctrines of a totalitarian state. 0.85

00:28:55.580 You have to line up like sheep to do stupid things that mean nothing, that give you the illusion of security, implemented by faceless authoritarians and then acted out by powerless minions. 0.92

00:29:07.660 And then you get used to it. 0.99

00:29:09.400 Well, that's the problem.

00:29:10.460 That's what they want.

00:29:10.640 Everybody goes through airports.

00:29:12.620 And so I think that you can see the, what would you say?

00:29:17.640 Deterioration.

00:29:18.220 The forefront of the authoritarian movement is in airports.

00:29:21.680 And you can see that right now because now increasingly as you board a plane, they want to take your photo.

00:29:27.440 I say no to that.

00:29:28.580 I know.

00:29:29.100 You can't refuse it.

00:29:29.840 So far you can refuse.

00:29:31.380 Yeah.

00:29:31.600 Yeah, right.

00:29:32.440 The real ID.

00:29:33.420 But six months.

00:29:33.880 How is that different than the other ID?

00:29:35.380 Yeah.

00:29:35.520 Was my other ID fake?

00:29:36.660 Yeah.

00:29:37.060 This real ID, I have a real ID?

00:29:38.520 No, this is a real one.

00:29:39.660 Your other one didn't count.

00:29:40.540 And that private company, Clear.

00:29:42.620 Yeah.

00:29:42.940 It's like, oh, I see.

00:29:43.700 So you can pay to circumvent the security as long as you accept the authoritarian presumptions, right?

00:29:49.660 Exactly.

00:29:50.200 Yeah.

00:29:50.500 It's terrible.

00:29:51.560 You had a semi-mentally retarded man named Richard Reed, an Englishman who tried to put a bomb very sloppily in one of his shoes. 0.99

00:30:01.160 Because of that reason alone, we all have to take our shoes off.

00:30:04.900 Yeah.

00:30:05.320 Unless you pay extra.

00:30:06.580 Which meant his attack was very successful.

00:30:08.200 Yeah.

00:30:08.820 You know, how much did that cost?

00:30:11.380 How much has that cost us?

00:30:12.780 Just economically.

00:30:14.420 Well, the billions of dollars they put on and the machines.

00:30:17.640 What happens is there becomes the machine that comes into place and that takes advantage of certain situations like this.

00:30:26.620 The machine that gave the president these new powers in the Patriot Act, the machine that now became part of the surveillance state, that doesn't want to go away because that machine is making money.

00:30:39.960 So the machine at the security is going to keep going because that makes money for some company and they're going to keep coming.

00:30:47.160 We're going to need this.

00:30:47.880 We're going to need this other thing.

00:30:49.080 We're going to need this enhanced.

00:30:50.700 And then if you want to pay more.

00:30:51.920 Right.

00:30:52.120 And then it's replicated everywhere at once.

00:30:55.120 I know Siemens, I think it was Siemens, put in these new scanners, right?

00:30:58.540 They're like cat.

00:30:59.780 Yeah.

00:31:00.120 They're like medical scanners.

00:31:01.800 Yeah, I know.

00:31:02.260 It's like you can't get a medical scan, but your luggage can.

00:31:05.300 Yeah.

00:31:05.840 Yeah, for free, right?

00:31:07.280 Which is also pretty strange.

00:31:08.960 All things considered.

00:31:10.520 Be very wary when your government says this is free.

00:31:13.580 Yeah, yeah.

00:31:14.320 So you have that.

00:31:15.020 But as far as the Congress giving the powers to the president, neither party wants to get rid of it because they know they'll eventually have those.

00:31:24.360 They want that kind of unfettered rights to just put in their laws that they want. 0.94

00:31:28.600 I think it was 125 the first week executive orders that Biden put in.

00:31:32.580 And the Republicans don't want to get rid of it either.

00:31:35.220 They don't want to get rid of the Patriot Act because they won't have the same powers.

00:31:38.300 So you really have an entrenched political machine in both parties that don't want to give up these powers.

00:31:45.380 So you have—

00:31:46.660 Maybe the Doge guys will do something about that.

00:31:49.440 Maybe they will.

00:31:50.140 We'll see.

00:31:50.840 I hope so.

00:31:51.180 That'll be really interesting.

00:31:52.040 But then you have, like, what happened after 9-11 as well, this security apparatus to—because you can do something doesn't mean you should.

00:32:01.280 Because you can massively gather all Americans' communications and then try to look for certain keywords, you know, by these supercomputers.

00:32:10.600 It doesn't mean you should do it.

00:32:11.740 So I hope that that will be a thing of the past.

00:32:16.340 But there's just so much money in it.

00:32:18.620 It's the same thing—

00:32:19.100 It's also very hard to get rid of something once it's there.

00:32:21.580 Once it's in place.

00:32:22.260 Well, you have a constituency that's agitating for it desperately, right?

00:32:26.800 Because, well, they're very dependent upon it once it's in place.

00:32:29.340 Well, the spy system is there, the system of surveillance, and that's an outreach of it, a very low outreach for people.

00:32:36.520 The idea that, you know, that there are these many people who want to take a plane down and crash them into a building, I would say that's very few.

00:32:44.500 Yes, like none.

00:32:45.680 It's fundamentally none, right?

00:32:47.400 Yeah, I think that—

00:32:48.140 And certainly not at the level of detectability, because your false positive rate is like a billion to one.

00:32:53.140 That's not good.

00:32:54.540 Yeah.

00:32:54.740 That's not good.

00:32:55.860 Everybody's a potential hijacker.

00:32:57.480 It's like, no, like almost no one is a potential hijacker.

00:33:02.580 No matter who you single out, the probability that you're wrong is overwhelming.

00:33:07.380 And, yeah, the question is, how much damage do you do in that false pursuit of security?

00:33:11.840 I mean, in London, many of the buildings—there's a bit of this in New York, but many of the buildings in London have the same sort of security that airports do.

00:33:21.320 People just get more and more accustomed to it.

00:33:23.280 They do.

00:33:23.580 And that is a sad—that is a sad reaction to—and in some ways, I remember when these happened, I said—and a lot of people said, well, the terrorists won.

00:33:36.840 Yeah, right.

00:33:37.340 Because now we've got this—

00:33:37.980 That's right, exactly.

00:33:39.580 I haven't heard that in a while, but it's true. 1.00

00:33:41.480 A sad thing that Andrew Doyle, our good friend, journalist and comedian, was saying that during the bombing in England at Ariana Grande concert, that they—the police or security saw a man with a backpack that was suspicious.

00:34:00.780 And they didn't go up to him because they were afraid it might be considered a racist.

00:34:07.980 So you have another weird reaction.

00:34:11.520 So you have an overreaction to this security state system that is a surveillance system that's put in place.

00:34:18.800 And then you have an underreaction by people who think, well, this could be racist.

00:34:22.960 And that ended up being somebody that they should have checked.

00:34:25.440 So we're in a weird position in Western culture now where we're under attack from all sides at the same time.

00:34:32.900 So let's delve into that a little bit conceptually.

00:34:35.800 So one of the things that's worth pointing out with regards to the precursors for the COVID authoritarian lockdown, let's say, is what I—again, what happened in the universities.

00:34:46.720 Because people don't understand this, and it's really important.

00:34:49.980 Because people generally look at the universities, and they think that there's a battle raging in the universities about who should be allowed to speak freely.

00:34:58.860 Right?

00:34:59.260 That's what cancel culture is. 0.91

00:35:00.600 Yeah.

00:35:00.980 That's not the battle.

00:35:02.340 That radically understates the significance of the actual battle.

00:35:07.940 Because what is poorly understood by people, especially the moderates on the left, is that the postmodernists dispensed with the idea of free speech itself.

00:35:20.180 They don't believe that progressives should have the right to free speech, and no one else should.

00:35:25.520 They believe that the metaphysics of the idea of free speech is false.

00:35:30.140 So for the typical postmodernist, so the Enlightenment, or maybe even the Judeo-Christian assumption is that you're a sovereign authority of sorts as an individual with inalienable value.

00:35:47.360 And one of the consequences of that is that you have a viewpoint, and that that viewpoint has intrinsic value.

00:35:55.280 And so—and I'm the same sort of being, and that means that if I listen to your viewpoint, we can come to an accord with one another that might be of mutual benefit.

00:36:05.340 And so exchanging our ideas is not only beneficial, it's possible.

00:36:11.060 That isn't what the postmodernists think.

00:36:13.900 They think there's no game but power.

00:36:17.840 And so no matter what I say—you made reference to this earlier—where you're the unwitting oppressor.

00:36:23.820 Well, that stems logically from the tenets of postmodernism, because the postmodern insistence is that the only game in town is one of power.

00:36:33.720 It doesn't matter what you say you're doing.

00:36:36.020 That's completely irrelevant.

00:36:37.580 You are, whether you know it or not, immersed in a power game.

00:36:42.440 And the power game is defined by your, what would you call it, intersectional privilege, right?

00:36:48.620 It's the intersection of the various group identities that give you an unearned superiority and power over other people.

00:36:55.580 And when you're uttering your opinions, all you're doing is providing a post hoc justification for your privilege.

00:37:02.300 That's it.

00:37:03.420 No other game.

00:37:04.660 So the challenge that the postmodernists levied against Western culture is much deeper than arguments about who should speak freely.

00:37:15.580 It's an assault on the idea of the metaphysics of freedom itself.

00:37:20.700 The postmodernists believe none of that.

00:37:22.860 None of it.

00:37:23.520 Well, what it really is, if you scrape and look down and you go, what is that?

00:37:27.280 What is postmodernism?

00:37:28.420 Well, that's communism.

00:37:29.900 That's Marxism.

00:37:30.880 This is a totalitarian state.

00:37:32.600 So it's an interesting way to get to it because they went through the educational route instead of through the traditional route through the worker.

00:37:43.040 It was an easier turn to – and actually it was more susceptible to get to the culture and degrade Western civilization through academia than it was through the worker.

00:37:55.760 Because the worker knows that if he works hard, his life is going to be better in a capitalist system.

00:38:02.700 Is it going to be perfect?

00:38:03.520 No.

00:38:03.760 Is it going to leave people out?

00:38:05.380 Some people, yes.

00:38:06.760 But –

00:38:07.160 Especially the people that don't work. 1.00

00:38:09.340 Yeah.

00:38:09.820 Yeah, those people.

00:38:11.040 They'll be left out.

00:38:12.100 However, in this utopian promise of the progressives is that the system is inherently evil and bad, and it's – you're a bad person for participating in it.

00:38:24.580 Therefore, it needs to be deconstructed completely.

00:38:27.600 And to get to the better utopia, which is always leading to mass murder.

00:38:32.560 But the academia was the place where you could have somebody like Kamala Harris's father with Stanford University have a Marxist studies. 0.82

00:38:46.700 And at that time in the early 70s, I think it was considered odd, but definitely like inclusive.

00:38:53.920 Let's include that as part of it.

00:38:56.180 Not that anybody would like – they thought there was genuine ideas that we should put into our – into Western civilization.

00:39:04.040 It was completely – we'd seen that it's collapsed in what it was capable of doing.

00:39:09.460 And at that time, what it was doing in the Soviet Union and in China, that this is a system that we don't want.

00:39:14.780 But we'll still have it as part of the academia.

00:39:17.280 Well, you talked about a kind of sleight of hand that – and I still haven't been able to puzzle this out entirely because the French postmodernists were the first, the most influential thinkers who levied this challenge to the metaphysics of the West.

00:39:34.800 But they did ally themselves with the Marxists, which is very strange because the first dictum of the postmodernists is that there's no uniting metanarrative.

00:39:46.120 There's no story that unites us.

00:39:48.540 There's just a plethora of hydra heads everywhere, and they're all involved in power games.

00:39:53.900 But despite making that claim metaphysically, they did ally themselves with the Marxists.

00:39:59.620 And I don't know if the Marxism came first and the postmodernism was a rationalization for that.

00:40:05.440 It's probably something like that because partly what happened in the 1970s, even in France,

00:40:10.460 because there's nothing more intransigent to evidence than a French intellectual,

00:40:16.660 was that the failure of the Marxist system on economic grounds and humanitarian grounds became absolutely incontrovertible in the 1970s.

00:40:27.920 No one could stand up and say, that's not real communism.

00:40:32.360 That just became impossible, especially after Solzhenitsyn.

00:40:34.460 And so what happened was the French in particular played this sleight-of-hand game 1.00

00:40:40.840 where the axis of oppression shifted from the economic to the cultural or the racial or the sexual, right?

00:40:48.840 And that's fine because you can play an oppression game on multiple dimensions.

00:40:51.920 That's what intersectionality is.

00:40:53.520 And so that's how that all arose.

00:40:56.820 And then I think partly the left, the liberals on the left,

00:41:02.280 we talked earlier about the fact that, you know, you're a liberal who decided to be sane instead of insane.

00:41:07.740 I kind of think to some degree, I've been trying to think this through most recently.

00:41:12.500 See, after the election, commentators on CNN, MSNBC, and so forth,

00:41:18.940 woke up to the fact that the conservatives had taken over the new media.

00:41:24.160 Joe Rogan being example.

00:41:25.920 And so this is very comical to me for a variety of reasons,

00:41:29.060 partly because Rogan is a very weird conservative.

00:41:32.280 Also because he-

00:41:33.100 Well, you would say more liberal leaning than anything else.

00:41:34.540 More progressive.

00:41:35.320 He voted for Bernie Sanders, you know.

00:41:36.940 But there's a coda to that story, which is that I know all the main podcasters quite well.

00:41:44.760 And we invited the DNC to speak to us in 2017.

00:41:52.100 There were eight of us.

00:41:53.320 Ben Shapiro was one, Dave Rubin, me, Rogan, like a whole, Brett Weinstein.

00:41:58.140 A whole group of us made a formal offer to the Democrats to speak with us, no games.

00:42:06.520 And we pushed that for six years.

00:42:09.220 This is all documented.

00:42:10.620 And they all knew it.

00:42:11.860 The message went out to pretty much all the Democrat congressmen and the senators.

00:42:16.340 And I spoke to many of them behind the scenes.

00:42:18.260 They wouldn't speak to me publicly.

00:42:19.420 We never got one in seven years who would agree to speak to us.

00:42:23.320 And now they're saying, well, you know, the conservatives put billions of dollars into 0.99

00:42:27.200 this new media, which is, of course, complete bloody rubbish. 0.98

00:42:30.680 Rogan's enterprise is Rogan and his producer. 0.99

00:42:34.320 That's the whole cabal, right?

00:42:36.540 Well, if they don't make that interpretation, then the other interpretation is very damning

00:42:43.280 that all the billions of dollars, the $1.2 billion that they spent on trying to elect

00:42:49.800 Kamala, that the control of Facebook, the control of the algorithm at Google, the legacy

00:42:58.940 media, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, the New York Times.

00:43:04.580 And the universities.

00:43:05.500 And universities.

00:43:06.420 And that that wasn't enough.

00:43:08.620 That the American public rejected all of that.

00:43:11.200 So if they, the only other way.

00:43:13.240 Free speech triumph.

00:43:14.320 Yeah.

00:43:14.760 The only other way to look at it is to attack, well, it must be these, these well-oiled billionaire

00:43:22.420 conservatives.

00:43:24.820 Because it couldn't be us.

00:43:25.960 Yeah.

00:43:26.260 We're the good guys.

00:43:27.020 Well, it's so insanely preposterous, all of that.

00:43:30.320 It doesn't hold up.

00:43:30.640 I mean, none of these people were capitalized, right?

00:43:32.780 Every single person who became a notable podcaster, almost all of them were, many of them were

00:43:40.380 comedians, which is extremely funny.

00:43:42.220 Isn't that unbelievable?

00:43:43.340 It is.

00:43:43.560 It is.

00:43:44.180 And we will return to that.

00:43:45.520 But also, many of them were disenfranchised liberals.

00:43:50.540 Yes.

00:43:51.000 Right?

00:43:51.040 Rogan, Rubin, me, I would say.

00:43:53.580 Absolutely.

00:43:54.020 Brent Weinstein.

00:43:55.320 For sure.

00:43:56.440 Well, he lived up there in the most liberal part of the world.

00:43:58.880 Yeah, exactly.

00:43:59.420 In Oregon.

00:44:00.020 And taught at one of the most liberal schools.

00:44:02.760 And I would say Elon Musk, you would put in that category, too.

00:44:05.080 Yeah.

00:44:05.240 Well, and maybe even Trump, although he's not a podcaster, obviously, and neither is

00:44:09.280 Musk, but the same sort of thing.

00:44:11.300 He would say he was a conservative Democrat.

00:44:14.540 You'd have to say he's a New Yorker.

00:44:15.960 Yeah, right.

00:44:16.840 Yeah, yeah, definitely.

00:44:18.520 Now, okay, so let's return to that.

00:44:20.180 Now, you said that, you know, you were a liberal who decided to stay sane.

00:44:25.440 Okay, so now you spent a lot of time in the Hollywood milieu.

00:44:29.580 And so I've got two questions for you.

00:44:31.460 It's like, what do you think was the difference, what do you think the difference is between

00:44:35.520 you, let's say, and your decision to remain sane, and the decision that 95% of the people

00:44:42.700 in Hollywood took to become insane liberals?

00:44:45.640 Really, much to their own detriment, like my sense is, and you tell me what you think

00:44:49.380 about this, I think the Hollywood liberals killed celebrity culture.

00:44:53.840 They did.

00:44:54.420 Well, if you take a look, if you just look, that's a very good question.

00:44:57.180 It's going to take some explaining.

00:44:59.420 If you just take a look at the audience, and I just disregard the fact that the media

00:45:05.720 is now fractured, is a fraction of what it used to be, and that there's many more opportunities

00:45:10.420 and more options for people.

00:45:12.280 Let's just put that aside.

00:45:13.680 You used to have the Academy Awards, 100 million Americans, when there was only 200-odd million

00:45:20.180 people in America, they would all watch the Academy Awards.

00:45:23.200 And happily.

00:45:24.400 Yes.

00:45:24.700 And everyone was thrilled to do it.

00:45:26.120 And we would bet, and say, well, I would win, and most of the times you were right,

00:45:29.200 like, because there was a movie that clearly was the best film, whether it was Patent,

00:45:32.660 or Mad, or whether it was, you know, Gandhi, you would know.

00:45:37.220 And there was a power to it, because they seemed to be the greatest filmmakers in the

00:45:40.900 world, the greatest, most artistic people.

00:45:43.220 You know, because Hollywood was a very interesting thing.

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00:46:52.200 Ended up in America because there was World War I, and people, obviously filmmaking couldn't

00:46:57.740 happen during a war, and World War II.

00:46:59.680 So you had really the safety for creative, whether it was Billy Wilder coming over here from Hungary.

00:47:10.380 You had these, the greatest filmmakers, their escape and the place to create was Hollywood.

00:47:18.960 And so that's what happened.

00:47:19.880 And so, but you had, so this was everything.

00:47:25.480 We had it all.

00:47:26.340 And then what happened was they started making these decisions, even when you just, all you

00:47:31.080 have to do is go back and look at to a couple of years ago, the decision, you cannot win

00:47:35.160 an Academy Award unless you have 40% LBGTQ, unless you have people, a certain percentage 1.00

00:47:40.160 of color.

00:47:40.700 The crew is this.

00:47:41.420 And here's what you never hear from a 14-year-old, which is, those are the people who go see

00:47:45.600 more movies than anybody else.

00:47:47.100 Let's go see that new movie this week.

00:47:49.300 I hear it's got 20% LBGTQ, trans, and the boom guy was Native American.

00:47:57.600 Yeah, right.

00:47:58.340 So you became this identity politics and this kind of, this other thing became more important

00:48:04.040 than the actual craft itself.

00:48:05.660 And that got into the bottom line.

00:48:07.880 I mean, it really did.

00:48:08.560 It affected people to where people don't want to go see.

00:48:10.560 Yes, well, thank God for capitalism.

00:48:11.880 Yeah, thank God for that.

00:48:12.980 I mean, like.

00:48:13.280 Because greed is self-correcting.

00:48:15.000 Seriously.

00:48:15.600 It is.

00:48:16.120 It's a very reliable ethos, greed.

00:48:19.080 Like, it is not the highest form of morality by any stretch of the imagination, but it's

00:48:23.920 predictable and it's self-correcting, right?

00:48:26.300 If I know you're motivated by money, we could work together, right?

00:48:30.060 I mean, I could imagine there would be circumstances under which that might not go so well for me,

00:48:34.480 but most of the time I can predict exactly what you're going to do.

00:48:38.180 We could find a place where we can agree on something that's beneficial to both of us.

00:48:42.860 Yeah, right.

00:48:43.380 We could agree that we both want to make money.

00:48:45.520 But when you have a big corporation like Disney, who I did movies for, and I worked for years

00:48:50.180 for Disney, when we have to, as parents of an eight-year-old and a 12-year-old now, we

00:48:56.560 have to watch the movie first before we can allow our children to watch it, just to make

00:49:01.440 sure that there's not any woke nonsense, any indoctrination geared toward our children.

00:49:08.100 That is really telling.

00:49:09.300 When does Snow White come out?

00:49:11.560 Right?

00:49:12.200 They delayed it for two years.

00:49:13.280 I know.

00:49:13.880 And it's going to fail cataclysmically.

00:49:15.700 I think so, too.

00:49:16.700 I think people are...

00:49:17.620 I've watched some of the previews.

00:49:18.860 It's ugly as sin.

00:49:20.140 Like, the animation is...

00:49:21.520 This is one of the things that's so interesting about woke illustration in particular.

00:49:26.020 Yeah.

00:49:26.300 There is nothing uglier than woke illustrations.

00:49:28.880 They're so talentless.

00:49:30.060 It must be the fact that the people without talent rely on their political credibility to 0.99

00:49:35.300 advance.

00:49:36.020 Maybe.

00:49:36.580 And also...

00:49:36.940 Because their talent alone won't do it.

00:49:38.340 And it's also because you're not doing something from a creative outburst of inspiration

00:49:41.780 or joy.

00:49:42.300 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:49:42.820 They're doing it to prove a point or something.

00:49:44.560 Well, the postmodern types don't believe in inspiration, right?

00:49:47.580 They only believe in power.

00:49:49.220 Like, seriously.

00:49:50.480 And so, all that inspiration stuff.

00:49:52.240 That's merit.

00:49:53.160 You know, that's just another, what, offshoot of European imperialism.

00:49:57.740 That whole idea.

00:49:58.440 Seriously.

00:49:59.300 To get rid of.

00:49:59.840 Seriously.

00:50:00.240 It's in the way.

00:50:00.860 It's in the number.

00:50:01.700 But Hollywood was founded on not paying people.

00:50:04.980 And that's why I have faith that it will come back.

00:50:08.300 Hollywood was founded on avoiding paying people.

00:50:11.240 For instance, when Edison had the patent, he didn't have it on the film camera, but he

00:50:16.840 had it on the projector.

00:50:18.560 So Edison owned the rights to the projector.

00:50:21.120 And he had these, the patent rights.

00:50:24.700 So when early, he never actually foresaw the movie business.

00:50:29.740 He really thought, he was actually ahead of the movie business.

00:50:32.480 He saw the film camera as something for families to do and for individuals to do.

00:50:36.200 But before that happened, many, many years before that, the film business just kind of

00:50:41.360 blossomed, blew up in New Jersey.

00:50:43.200 And so you had these people now who are making these movies and making an incredible amount

00:50:48.940 of money that they never could have imagined.

00:50:52.440 You had 1,500 seat theaters, 1,500 people coming in, and this new medium.

00:50:56.600 You have to understand, there was, you had, the only entertainment in New York City, the

00:51:00.100 turn of the century, was newspapers, really.

00:51:04.240 You had 18 daily newspapers in New York City.

00:51:07.420 Maybe you had, you know, some vaudeville, but that was it.

00:51:10.580 There was no TV, you know.

00:51:12.060 So film coming in, this new medium was just outrageous and an incredible escape for people.

00:51:22.540 And so they would go and flock to these movie theaters, fill them up, and they would try

00:51:26.320 to keep them there all day.

00:51:27.340 They would have an organist beforehand, and they would show several movies, and they would

00:51:31.400 sell popcorn and candy, and God knows what else in there.

00:51:34.860 But they also had to pay Edison his patent fee, and they didn't do that, and they didn't

00:51:41.240 want to give that money.

00:51:42.500 And so Edison had this thing called Edison's Goons, and Edison's Goons would have to go

00:51:47.920 into the movie theater and go into the place and slap them around and collect this patent

00:51:53.380 money, this money that was owed to Edison.

00:51:54.840 So the only reason that Hollywood was the place that the destination for the film owners and

00:52:04.740 the film moguls was to get away from Edison's Goons so they didn't have to pay people. 0.63

00:52:09.560 So Hollywood, traditionally, the foundation of Hollywood is not paying anyone or paying people

00:52:16.600 who rightly deserve to be paid.

00:52:18.400 And that's the tradition they've kept up very well.

00:52:21.240 So it's strange to see the Hollywood celebrity crowd subordinate their art ethically to politics.

00:52:34.920 It's fear.

00:52:35.440 It's fear.

00:52:36.020 It's fear.

00:52:36.480 And it's interesting that the—and I'm glad that they didn't listen to them because they

00:52:40.440 weren't offering any ideas.

00:52:42.080 I mean, I don't say that Oprah doesn't have things that she can relate to the average American.

00:52:48.080 I mean, I'm sure she—I mean, she has Nobu, the great Japanese chef, at her house cooking

00:52:53.420 sushi, which is, I'm sure, very expensive.

00:52:56.660 She has private planes, and she has a $30 million house, which is probably $80 million 0.98

00:53:00.620 now because of the inflation.

00:53:02.640 Thank you, Democrats.

00:53:05.060 She didn't have—she wasn't able to quantify or to say what Kamala stood for, what the Democrats

00:53:12.160 were going to bring into place that since they were already in power—

00:53:15.080 Something new that was exactly the same thing that Biden and Harris had already been doing.

00:53:19.860 So they weren't able to really get that message across.

00:53:23.060 No, you need to—and so all they could do was be fearful of what—you don't want that.

00:53:28.440 You know, he's going to become a dictator, even though he didn't the first time.

00:53:31.100 So I think Americans just took a pass on that.

00:53:33.560 But it was interesting to see Bruce Springsteen, and you get interesting to see Eminem and Oprah

00:53:39.700 and Robert De Niro, who was just this wonderful, angry lunatic, very much coming closer to the

00:53:48.140 Corleone taxi driver.

00:53:50.540 Yeah, yeah, or taxi driver.

00:53:50.560 Yeah, exactly, exactly.

00:53:51.740 He's really reimagining that role.

00:53:53.880 Well, the other thing, too, is that fundamentally, you know, and I've probably been sinful in

00:54:00.440 this regard to some degree, you actually don't want to know what celebrities think politically.

00:54:06.520 First of all, it's no more interesting than what anyone else thinks politically.

00:54:11.920 Yes, and they're also—they're in their bubble.

00:54:14.740 I mean, Oprah doesn't leave her bubble, so she naturally thinks the people she hangs out

00:54:18.600 with are better.

00:54:19.600 But she doesn't know what it's like.

00:54:21.380 I mean, that's what I try to explain, you know, when Jimmy Kimmel was crying.

00:54:25.180 I said, dear Jimmy, I said in my Twitter post with 10 million people looked at, which was

00:54:30.620 a lot larger than his audience.

00:54:32.400 I said, it's me, Wheezy, the guy who you said several years ago because he was unvaccinated

00:54:38.380 shouldn't be treated at the hospital, but should be left in the hospital corridor to die because

00:54:43.680 he's not vaccinated.

00:54:44.480 It's me.

00:54:44.940 And I would say—and I went on to say that people can't—you can't relate to what 26% 0.92

00:54:50.320 inflation is.

00:54:51.760 There's Jimmy Kimmel and, you know, these other celebrities like Oprah, if prices go

00:54:58.040 up, they don't have to choose between what the average American would have to do, between 0.56

00:55:02.420 getting gas or groceries, maybe not both this week.

00:55:06.620 And so what are we going to do?

00:55:07.720 And I said that to Jimmy Kimmel and Oprah, if you—if avocados went up to $5,000 in

00:55:13.600 avocado, you would just have $5,000 guacamole.

00:55:16.860 It doesn't affect you.

00:55:18.200 But it really does affect Americans.

00:55:21.140 And I think that it wasn't a tough choice for most people.

00:55:24.440 Most people knew they were being lied to.

00:55:26.140 Most people knew that at this point—and thankfully, the alternate media, which apparently,

00:55:32.540 according to the Democrats, is billions of dollars and much more powerful.

00:55:35.900 These individual podcasts like Theo Vaughn and Joe Rogan, that these—that that is

00:55:40.760 where the—

00:55:41.180 Theo Vaughn, corporate mogul.

00:55:42.680 You know, it's so insane.

00:55:44.800 It's so insane.

00:55:45.900 Not the Google algorithm, which is 98% of the searches in the world that's suppressing

00:55:50.420 conservative viewpoints.

00:55:51.900 None of that matters.

00:55:53.020 Right.

00:55:53.200 It's Joe Rogan.

00:55:54.120 And it's so interesting, too, that all of this was successful despite all that suppression.

00:55:58.780 Yes.

00:55:58.980 But it wasn't just that the Democrats controlled the legacy media, let's say, and the major tech

00:56:04.700 companies and the universities.

00:56:06.300 They were actually using those entities to squelch, I would say, classic liberal and

00:56:12.460 conservative voices.

00:56:13.740 And it didn't work.

00:56:14.980 It didn't work.

00:56:15.860 So how did they—

00:56:16.420 Mind-boggling.

00:56:16.860 How did they recalibrate?

00:56:17.840 Because it was easy to get angry when Trump lost—when Trump won the first time in 2016.

00:56:23.280 And for everybody to be election deniers at that point and go, he is—I remember politicians

00:56:28.880 saying, he is not my president.

00:56:30.620 It is—he's an illegitimate president.

00:56:32.980 And really undermining the transition of power at that time, which they completely forgot

00:56:37.840 about four years later.

00:56:39.600 So we—where do they come now?

00:56:42.800 Where can they go?

00:56:44.240 And the only way that they can go is to—they're going to have to come to Jesus.

00:56:49.260 They're going to have to come to the point where, yes, they do not represent—they do

00:56:54.400 not understand what the average American goes through, what they understand, the experience

00:56:58.380 of the average American.

00:56:59.520 What—how are they going to recalibrate?

00:57:01.140 How are they going to get power again?

00:57:02.440 They're going to have to come back to the Bill Clinton, you know, middle of the road.

00:57:05.780 We're pro-death penalty.

00:57:07.240 It all depends on what the definition of the word is.

00:57:10.060 You know, whatever.

00:57:10.940 We're going to have to—we're these super predators.

00:57:13.220 And that's what's going to happen, because it seems like they're going to lose, not just this

00:57:16.960 election, they're going to lose two Vances.

00:57:19.100 And if you take a look at—if you look at American history, you look at the, you know,

00:57:23.120 some of the trends that seem to repeat itself.

00:57:25.400 The last time we had three basic one-term presidents, if you look at—well, you know,

00:57:30.980 Nixon didn't intend it to be his—but he didn't finish that term.

00:57:34.720 And then you had Ford, and then you had Carter.

00:57:37.960 So those are three that didn't finish their terms, or at least one-term presidents.

00:57:42.400 So now you have three in a row again.

00:57:45.580 You had Trump, Biden, and then Trump's not going to be running again.

00:57:49.780 So there's a chance for that Republican push.

00:57:53.420 If they do it right, and if they represent the American people more than just realign

00:57:58.220 themselves again with the corporate power, and that is the question for the Republicans.

00:58:03.720 Will you continue to be what is happening right now?

00:58:07.540 Seventy percent of American wealth is owned by the Democrats.

00:58:10.620 We have 30 percent—we have now the Republican Party, and I say we because I've joined the

00:58:14.740 Republican Party.

00:58:16.420 We are now the party of the people.

00:58:18.800 How are you going to govern?

00:58:21.000 How are you going to improve these people's lives?

00:58:23.120 And I believe we have good people in place, and I have faith that we will be able to deliver

00:58:30.140 on what is demanded from the American people.

00:58:34.020 So we reiterated—a group of us again reiterated our invitation to sane Democrats, or any Democrats

00:58:44.140 for that matter, to come and talk.

00:58:46.040 Now, I have a question for you about that, because I spent quite a lot of time—well,

00:58:51.020 part of it was this invitation back in 2016 to the Democrats to talk.

00:58:55.580 That never went anywhere, although, as I said, I met many of them behind the scenes.

00:58:59.120 That was always interesting.

00:59:01.680 I always asked the Democrats I met, many senators and congressmen, when the left goes too far,

00:59:08.620 and none of them would answer that.

00:59:10.580 There was no cutoff.

00:59:12.200 And, you know, people on the progressive side, even the liberal side, aren't very good with

00:59:17.360 borders and boundaries, because they like the free flow of information, and there's some

00:59:22.500 positive things about that.

00:59:23.780 But it makes it very difficult for them to defend themselves against ideological infiltrators.

00:59:29.760 And, you know, the first time I interviewed RFK, I asked him when the left goes too far,

00:59:36.780 and he said he didn't want to run that sort of divisive campaign.

00:59:40.620 And the second time I interviewed him, all he did was talk about when the left goes too far.

00:59:44.280 Well, he did, because he is someone who is a, who was a recipient of the illiberal liberals.

00:59:54.300 Yeah, that's for sure.

00:59:55.220 And what you have is-

00:59:56.100 Him and Dean Phillips.

00:59:57.080 Here's what's going to have to, yeah, so here's what's going to have to happen for the Democrats.

01:00:02.680 When they are confronted with their mistakes, when they have been confronted with evidence

01:00:08.120 of their misdoings, they're going to have to suck it up and admit it.

01:00:12.940 So the American people are very forgiving people.

01:00:15.760 We have two, we have a political system that's, unfortunately, is two parties, which is one

01:00:19.860 more than China.

01:00:20.920 Yeah.

01:00:21.280 You know, we're not China.

01:00:22.300 China's got one party.

01:00:23.580 You're told you, in America, we get two.

01:00:26.620 So can we at least have two normal parties?

01:00:28.700 But when the Democrats were confronted with actual evidence, thank God, pray for Elon Musk's

01:00:34.600 safety.

01:00:35.520 Thank God for Elon Musk that the Twitter files came out.

01:00:37.960 When the Twitter files came out with the wonderful, you know, I mean, Elon Musk, you

01:00:42.980 have to say, is the leader for free speech in the world, defending free speech in the

01:00:46.940 world.

01:00:47.360 There's no question of it.

01:00:48.940 And when he gave them free reign, Michael Schellenberger and Matt Taibbi, to look at

01:00:53.980 the Twitter files, and you come to your own conclusions of it.

01:00:56.320 And when they testified in Congress, and they said that, yes, that the Biden administration

01:01:02.460 within day one was communicating backdoor channels to Facebook, and Zuckerberg has admitted

01:01:08.260 this and apologized for it.

01:01:09.820 At day one, that the Biden administration was colluding, the real collusion was with tech

01:01:15.300 companies to silence Americans who didn't go along with the government narrative.

01:01:18.880 And Bobby Kennedy was a recipient of that in the first 36 hours.

01:01:21.620 When they were confronted with that, instead of saying, we're going to recalibrate, we're

01:01:26.080 going to step back, we're going to take, we're going to accept this, and we're going

01:01:30.800 to move forward, because that is not tenable for this party.

01:01:33.660 Instead of doing that, what does the Democratic Party do?

01:01:35.960 They attack the journalists.

01:01:37.860 Yeah.

01:01:38.680 They attack the journalists, their integrity, and then try to undermine, which they couldn't

01:01:43.460 do, because the evidence was so blatant.

01:01:45.800 So what did it end up doing?

01:01:46.900 It ended up showing them that they weren't going to change no matter what.

01:01:49.800 They were going to leave kicking and screaming.

01:01:52.180 They were going to be the party, not to equate them to Nazis, but they were going to be the

01:01:56.080 party that asks for Paris to be blown up at the end of the war.

01:01:59.960 Why?

01:02:00.960 Not because it's going to help them win the war, not because it's going to do anything

01:02:04.780 to advance their cause or their beliefs or anything, because they could destroy as much

01:02:09.220 as they can before they leave.

01:02:11.720 And that's why Hitler, and that's why the general, I forget his name, but the general refused

01:02:14.940 to do that.

01:02:16.580 Civilization, Western civilization must continue.

01:02:18.500 We must go on.

01:02:20.200 So I have a moral quandary about this invitation to the Democrats to talk.

01:02:27.300 Well, because there's two positions you could take, right?

01:02:30.580 One is find the reasonable people and help them make their case, both within the party

01:02:39.800 and to the public.

01:02:40.500 And that would be predicated on the idea that it would be better to have a healthy two-party

01:02:45.660 system, right?

01:02:46.820 Where both parties were reasonable and moderate and sane, and they were functioning effectively

01:02:54.180 as opposed forces.

01:02:55.500 In good faith.

01:02:56.080 In good faith, yes.

01:02:56.980 But there's another viewpoint, which is tyrants have to burn before they learn, right?

01:03:03.560 And I've seen in 10 years of talking with Democrats, I've seen very little evidence whatsoever that

01:03:10.400 like all the Democrats I talked to, they didn't believe the radical left existed.

01:03:14.980 For example, I don't think I talked to a single moderate Democrat who believed that there was

01:03:20.200 a difference between equity and equality of opportunity.

01:03:23.480 All the moderate, every single one of them.

01:03:25.180 I swear this is true.

01:03:26.820 They said, I said, well, equity means equality of outcome, which is what Kamala Harris said

01:03:31.600 it meant, which is what all the postmodernists claim.

01:03:33.600 How do we get there together?

01:03:34.580 Yeah.

01:03:34.960 And their response uniformly to a man and woman was, they don't mean that, they just mean

01:03:41.400 equality of opportunity.

01:03:42.900 Well, and that's, what's his name? 0.97

01:03:44.500 That crazy billionaire who insists upon being a Democrat. 0.95

01:03:48.700 Jeff Bezos? 0.86

01:03:49.740 I mean, which one do you want to talk about?

01:03:51.220 No, no, no.

01:03:51.600 No, no, Bezos at least has admitted that the Washington Post has gone too far.

01:03:55.920 Thankfully.

01:03:56.460 The guy who owns the-

01:03:57.540 Omar Cuban.

01:03:58.140 Omar Cuban.

01:03:58.720 Omar Cuban owns the Dallas Mavericks.

01:04:00.280 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:04:01.060 I mean, Mark insisted publicly on Twitter for like months that the whole idea that equity

01:04:07.140 meant something different than equality of opportunity was a right-wing conspiracy.

01:04:11.320 And I thought, yeah, wow is right.

01:04:13.200 It's like, I don't know where you've been for the last 20 years, Mark, but this is not what's

01:04:17.780 being taught in the universities.

01:04:18.780 And then we have that problem too.

01:04:20.260 It's like, are the Democrats going to sort themselves out?

01:04:23.780 Well, there's a lot of their policy that they have to abandon.

01:04:26.480 All this DEI nonsense has to go.

01:04:28.720 Affirmative action probably has to go because it was the root of all the DEI nonsense, or

01:04:33.160 at least one of them.

01:04:34.460 I mean, the whole oppressor, oppressed narrative has to vanish.

01:04:37.880 There has to be a radical turn back to something like appreciation for the free market.

01:04:42.560 I mean, the Democrats are going to have to turn themselves back into classic liberals.

01:04:45.960 Luckily, there's a sledgehammer that's going to help them.

01:04:50.100 It's called the Trump administration.

01:04:52.200 Because the Trump administration, when I talked to Don Jr., one of the things we, John, the

01:04:56.920 president's son, one of the things we talked about was like, you know, President Trump

01:05:00.980 did not surround himself with the best people last time.

01:05:04.280 Yeah.

01:05:04.440 And he said, yeah, we know that.

01:05:07.200 Yeah.

01:05:08.280 And also, I said, I forget if he said it or I said it, there's not going to be the pressure

01:05:13.180 this time because he's not going to seek re-election in 82, when he's at 82 years old.

01:05:18.620 He's going to be a one-termer.

01:05:20.020 So what does that mean?

01:05:21.000 That means he's not going to have the pressure.

01:05:22.900 He's not going to have that.

01:05:24.580 What is the purpose of his administration?

01:05:27.760 He's going to want to get things accomplished for the American people.

01:05:31.040 He is going to want to cement some sort of legacy for himself.

01:05:33.640 He has the opportunity, which I could not have imagined to have even said two years

01:05:38.100 ago, a year ago, the most consequential politician in American history outside Abraham Lincoln.

01:05:45.060 That is an outrageous-

01:05:45.800 With the most consequential potential team.

01:05:48.340 Yes.

01:05:49.020 Well, he does have people in place now that are going to potentially change the medical

01:05:53.760 industrial complex the most that it's been since 1966.

01:05:58.400 The last time there's been an upheaval in the medical, you know, in the CDC and in the

01:06:02.800 medical establishment was in the mid-60s.

01:06:05.000 This has a chance to turn that on its head.

01:06:07.720 And we must.

01:06:08.960 I mean, one of the underpinnings, not just for free speech, but also for me, and I want

01:06:14.760 to get back to talking about the other, why I think a lot of people in Hollywood were silenced.

01:06:18.320 Yes, yes.

01:06:18.940 I do want to get to that.

01:06:19.600 But one of the things for me personally was-

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01:07:18.040 The fact that over 54%, and this is a 2012 statistic from the National Institutes of Health.

01:07:25.780 I have a very good friend over there, Dr. David Klonoff.

01:07:28.080 He's a great man, professor of medicine at the University of San Francisco.

01:07:31.960 54% of Americans, children, now suffer from chronic illnesses that are unheard of a few

01:07:40.400 short decades ago.

01:07:42.340 Now, the fact that that is not the number one story in the newspaper and is not dealt with

01:07:47.920 every day or at least weekly.

01:07:50.720 I mean, the fact that that is just ignored and brushed under the rug is that that is not

01:07:53.700 a problem.

01:07:54.800 That, to me, was untenable.

01:07:56.400 I could not live with myself unless I was moving towards doing something about that.

01:08:02.140 And if that cost me everything, I was willing to pay that price.

01:08:05.400 Because this is something that can no longer, because I have young children.

01:08:09.440 I mean, it's like, and my children, I try to do the best I can with them.

01:08:13.140 I don't let them, I don't agree with the CDC's recommendations.

01:08:17.100 I don't go along with that.

01:08:18.100 And I do believe that with my research, which is the great Jimmy Dore, he said, like, they

01:08:23.860 didn't want us to, don't do your own research during the pandemic.

01:08:26.960 Research, you mean reading?

01:08:28.300 You don't want us to read, to learn, to come up with our own ideas?

01:08:32.460 And so from my reading, from my experience of talking to other parents, there is a real

01:08:37.440 problem with our children that we have to get a handle on.

01:08:39.860 And the fact that that was squelched and the fact that the Democratic Party, who was in

01:08:43.240 charge, and the Republicans too, they take as much from big pharma.

01:08:47.020 That we got to get a handle on that, or nothing else matters.

01:08:50.660 When we have 80% of Americans, and why Bobby Kennedy has supported him, that's why I knew

01:08:55.460 his campaign was in trouble early, because I was his most famous celebrity endorsing.

01:09:00.960 Yeah, that's definitely not a good thing.

01:09:02.420 I know, I said, Bobby, you got a problem.

01:09:04.240 I'm in a cell, we can do this together, you know.

01:09:07.260 But the fact that we have, most of Americans are unhealthy, we're poisoned in America. 0.91

01:09:12.000 We have to get that, otherwise nothing matters.

01:09:14.920 It doesn't matter if Democrats or Republicans.

01:09:16.480 It doesn't matter if the Democrats get back in, because we won't have money to pay for

01:09:19.580 roads.

01:09:20.180 We're not going to be able to pay for infrastructure, for the schools.

01:09:23.280 Whether the schools are woke or not, we won't have money for it.

01:09:26.160 The system is crumbling.

01:09:27.980 17.5% of our GDP is now spent on health.

01:09:30.980 It is, we spent five times more than Europe per person on our health in America.

01:09:36.600 And we're not getting that, we're not getting good results.

01:09:38.820 If this doesn't change, nothing else matters.

01:09:41.200 So this is a critical time for America.

01:09:44.800 And we have the right people in there.

01:09:46.620 We have, and Trump, to his great credit.

01:09:49.340 Because also, I mean, Robert Kennedy, as you know, he's a great man.

01:09:54.620 And he would have worked with the Democrats.

01:09:56.560 Yeah.

01:09:56.820 They shunned him.

01:09:57.820 Yeah, they sure did.

01:09:58.800 When he called Kamala Harris, he called the campaign, they wouldn't even return his phone

01:10:01.020 phone.

01:10:01.040 Yeah, yeah.

01:10:01.800 When he called Trump, he was on the phone with Trump that day.

01:10:05.120 So you really have somebody who, for whatever reason, God put Donald Trump as his person.

01:10:13.040 Because God has a sense of humor.

01:10:15.420 Seriously, man.

01:10:16.820 God has no problem working with people who are flawed.

01:10:19.640 Yeah. 0.95

01:10:20.040 God will work with, God has no problem with prostitutes. 0.99

01:10:23.360 God will have no, it's like this person. 0.52

01:10:24.840 All the Old Testament prophets were deeply flawed.

01:10:27.360 Yeah, deeply flawed.

01:10:27.680 Every single one of them.

01:10:28.740 And corrupted in some way morally.

01:10:31.020 Yeah.

01:10:31.220 And, but, this is the person that, it is a wonderful situation we find ourselves in.

01:10:38.780 And it literally is, I love that the Democrats are just befuddled.

01:10:43.200 And they're confused.

01:10:44.180 And they don't know what to do.

01:10:45.060 Because the line of attack didn't work.

01:10:47.220 The new line of attack, they don't know what they can do.

01:10:49.140 Because the other one didn't work.

01:10:50.780 So what are they going to do?

01:10:52.080 But in the meantime, we have an opportunity, for the first time in my lifetime, to actually

01:10:56.640 look at the chronic disease of children.

01:10:59.000 The chronic disease of people.

01:11:00.520 And, and to try to heal it.

01:11:03.580 So do you think it's useful to, to return to a question, a question that I asked you

01:11:08.800 previously?

01:11:10.120 Is it a better strategy to let the Democrats stew in their own juices for four years and

01:11:15.520 reorganize their party?

01:11:16.660 Or is it better strategy to find sane voices on the moderate Democrat side and highlight

01:11:22.400 them?

01:11:23.080 Like.

01:11:23.460 Yes, absolutely.

01:11:24.620 You think that's a better strategy?

01:11:25.880 Well, we have to.

01:11:26.400 I mean, it's an, it's a little bit further than where I'm at, but it is an outreach of

01:11:30.840 where I'm at.

01:11:31.320 What we have to do is when I was out in DC talking to Senator Ron Johnson, I was talking

01:11:35.820 to some other Congress, a congressman in, from Oklahoma, and they're putting legislation

01:11:40.280 in, in place to where they're putting legislation.

01:11:44.080 They're preparing legislation to out, to, to get rid of this crazy lawfare.

01:11:51.280 This has to stop.

01:11:52.420 So in other words, if you're a Senator, you're a Congressman, you're nationally elected or

01:11:56.280 former, whether you're President Biden, who's about to leave office or vice president, if

01:12:02.020 you are, if there's a lawsuit at the state level, it's automatically bumped up.

01:12:07.500 The legislation is to bump it up to the federal level.

01:12:09.520 So it takes it out of, of any potential jurisdiction.

01:12:13.120 Yeah.

01:12:13.440 That says it's extremely politicized at the state level, as we saw with President Trump

01:12:18.060 in New York city.

01:12:19.440 So that's important.

01:12:20.540 It's not now.

01:12:20.920 Okay.

01:12:21.020 So that's, that's legislation that has to happen.

01:12:23.540 And that's what I told Don Jr.

01:12:25.820 I tell all the Republicans, the Republicans have to wear the big boy pants.

01:12:29.060 We have to stop the lawfare.

01:12:30.580 We have to, I mean, Biden has, I mean, when, when the, when Trump gets in, he's going to

01:12:34.940 have to pardon Biden's son and just, let's just move on.

01:12:38.760 And, and.

01:12:39.180 That's a terrible thing to have to do, but I can serve it seriously.

01:12:42.500 It needs to happen.

01:12:43.200 Yeah.

01:12:43.440 Well, I think you can make a strong.

01:12:45.160 We have to move on.

01:12:46.100 If we're going to do stuff for the American people, we let's, let's just let us really

01:12:49.700 move forward.

01:12:50.320 Right.

01:12:50.580 So petty revenge is off the table.

01:12:52.620 It is.

01:12:53.160 And what about, what is the next thing?

01:12:54.440 What about those 50 people who saw the 50 former intelligence service workers who signed

01:13:00.160 the document?

01:13:00.640 51.

01:13:01.300 51.

01:13:01.700 Yeah.

01:13:02.140 Who said that.

01:13:02.660 Former intelligence officials or, or current.

01:13:05.440 Yes.

01:13:05.920 Security state.

01:13:06.660 So do you.

01:13:07.260 Who all said that this has all the earmarks of Russian propaganda.

01:13:10.620 Yeah.

01:13:11.020 The, the laptop.

01:13:12.780 Yeah.

01:13:12.960 And they all lied.

01:13:13.860 Yeah.

01:13:14.020 They certainly did.

01:13:14.960 And about something very terrible.

01:13:16.420 And they probably threw the election. 0.99

01:13:18.840 Yeah.

01:13:19.160 I would say, I would say they definitely, it was such a close election.

01:13:22.080 That's for sure.

01:13:22.980 And it was so well-timed.

01:13:24.400 So, so what do you do with them?

01:13:25.980 I think you have to have a, the way you could hurt them isn't to prosecute them.

01:13:31.040 The way you hurt them is you hurt their ego by taking away their, what they love is you

01:13:36.620 take away their classification for, for secrecy.

01:13:41.780 What is it called?

01:13:42.400 The, you get their, the clearance.

01:13:43.900 Yeah.

01:13:44.200 The security clearance.

01:13:45.140 Security clearance.

01:13:45.900 Yeah.

01:13:46.020 If you take away their security clearance so they don't have access to this information

01:13:48.860 anymore, because even the people who are out of, they, they get to keep that.

01:13:53.120 These people, former, they get to, that is like their badge of, they can go and look

01:13:57.220 up stuff.

01:13:58.000 So if you take that away, that'll be a spanking because I'm not as concerned about those people 0.99

01:14:02.200 anymore.

01:14:02.760 I'm concerned about the people that are now.

01:14:04.780 We have to, we, we need to send a message to the people in power now, whether it's the, 0.99

01:14:08.180 the people at the CIA and the FBI, that this shit has to stop. 0.99

01:14:12.240 And that if you do this, you will, you will have to, you know, suffer some consequence. 0.99

01:14:17.380 Now that isn't to say that some of the stuff won't come out with the people who lied

01:14:22.080 during the pandemic and who withheld information and who censored Americans, some of that may

01:14:26.500 come out, but I would much prefer a South, a South African system of, you know, a truth

01:14:32.900 and reconciliation or a truth.

01:14:34.980 And, and if you tell the truth, we won't convict you.

01:14:37.580 There will be no trial.

01:14:38.880 There'll be no charges filed against you, but you must tell the truth because for Fauci

01:14:43.020 to lie in front of Congress and for the, the justice department does not care one way

01:14:48.900 or the other about it, just, just to completely ignore this for the justice department.

01:14:53.300 To me, the biggest sin of the justice department was when there were people that is against

01:14:57.260 federal law to protest in front of a Supreme court justice's house, because obviously that

01:15:03.040 is harassment from, from people who are, who set the tone for our society.

01:15:07.880 These are the final arbiters who say, what is legal and how are we going to live our society?

01:15:12.300 It is these nine individuals.

01:15:14.460 They must be protected.

01:15:15.560 That is why it is a lifetime appointment to avoid any potential, uh, political motivation

01:15:21.480 on them.

01:15:22.160 So to allow that, to allow these people to protest at the homes and for the justice department

01:15:26.120 to just ignore that particular federal law.

01:15:29.060 That was, that was absolutely the, the worst thing that Merrick Garland did during this.

01:15:34.120 Yeah, well, it does, it does seem reasonable to do as little tit for tat revenge as possible.

01:15:40.160 It's a weird thing, eh?

01:15:41.160 Because you don't want to avoid the responsibility of bringing people to justice, but it is definitely

01:15:47.720 a sideshow.

01:15:48.720 And the problem with persecuting your political enemies is that they, you will be their political

01:15:54.080 enemies in no time flat, right?

01:15:55.680 In one day.

01:15:56.080 Yeah, well, it's a degenerate, that's a banana republic game. 1.00

01:15:59.260 It is.

01:16:00.280 It is.

01:16:00.660 But now who will rise out of that?

01:16:03.300 Who will be the Democrat that comes out of it?

01:16:05.300 I mean, you have, uh, we'll see.

01:16:07.180 So you think they should be talked to?

01:16:09.500 Absolutely.

01:16:10.400 And you'll have people, you'll have people show up.

01:16:12.780 They'll be very low level.

01:16:13.820 Well, they're already lining up.

01:16:14.800 Well, okay.

01:16:15.240 There'll be very low, lower level Democrats showing up.

01:16:17.820 And I think you have to put out to pasture, uh, the democratic leadership.

01:16:22.080 And I think that will, the self-correction will have to happen because if they want anything,

01:16:25.700 it's power.

01:16:26.820 And if they want power back, they're going to have to recalibrate.

01:16:29.360 They're going to have to, um, I don't think they're capable of doing any soul searching

01:16:33.880 because I don't think that they have that in them.

01:16:35.780 I think once you become so politicized in this, you will, it's more of a survival mechanism

01:16:40.360 of drowning than it is trying to, well, but I think what you said will happen though.

01:16:44.800 Like you see this, there's, there's an old joke in, in, in the scientific field about

01:16:49.420 the fact that new ideas don't win.

01:16:52.240 It's just the, the, the people who held the old ideas that are no longer valid die.

01:16:57.680 Yeah.

01:16:57.900 I agree with that.

01:16:58.380 Right, right.

01:16:58.600 Well, and this is basically what you're pointing out is that there is a cadre of leadership,

01:17:03.320 so to speak on the Democrat side that will just be rendered irrelevant and new people

01:17:07.940 who we can't even predict will rise.

01:17:09.900 And hopefully some of them will have a vision.

01:17:12.060 There's an opportunity right now for young.

01:17:16.520 Yes.

01:17:17.660 Competent Democrats, assuming that, well, the problem is, you know, that everyone with any

01:17:23.420 courage has had their voice silenced in that party.

01:17:26.180 So the question is, is there anybody with courage left, right?

01:17:30.720 Well, so let's return to the Hollywood issue.

01:17:33.580 I will say to this, though, the Democrats that, that will step up, it is the best time

01:17:38.080 for Democrats because they will stand up for the, for the average American now that they

01:17:42.860 have no power to actually do anything for the average American.

01:17:45.860 And that is the, that is the strength of the Democratic party.

01:17:48.960 When they have no power, they stand up for the individual when they have no individual

01:17:52.760 and when they can do nothing for the individual.

01:17:54.760 Yeah, well, maybe that's partly how a two-party democracy actually works, you know, is that

01:17:59.700 the people who are out of power then turn to the people.

01:18:03.020 Well, it could be, right?

01:18:04.160 I mean, it could be, yeah.

01:18:05.100 It could easily be that the huge advantage to the system as it's set up is that power

01:18:10.000 flips continually.

01:18:11.360 It does flip.

01:18:11.780 It doesn't matter so much who's in power.

01:18:13.560 It matters that power flips.

01:18:14.800 Traditionally, yes.

01:18:15.840 However, there has been a Marxist strain in this particular Democratic party that has been,

01:18:22.160 if you, if you dig underneath what this, what this equality was, or this, this equity was,

01:18:26.340 and as Thomas Sowell says, you know, if you don't have, if you can't have, you know, the

01:18:29.440 same outcomes in the same family, how are we going to do that in greater society?

01:18:32.660 Of course.

01:18:33.800 Yeah.

01:18:34.380 We're going to make that person there.

01:18:35.660 That's for sure.

01:18:36.280 And we're going to do it because you're automatically racist in a systemic, system of systemic racism.

01:18:41.980 Therefore, you can't be in that position of power.

01:18:44.660 We have to put this person here who doesn't even know that he's been oppressed against.

01:18:47.920 So what it really was, and what Thomas Sowell talks about, was that it's really this form

01:18:53.380 of elitist, and that's what the Democratic strain has to get out, this form of elitism.

01:18:58.100 Yeah.

01:18:58.260 Because what it really was, it was eugenics back 100 years ago. 0.95

01:19:01.840 These people are automatically inferior because of the color of their skin.

01:19:04.920 We're more, and we're superior to them.

01:19:07.380 And what it was is a strange group of progressives 110 years later saying the same thing again

01:19:12.960 but different language, these people of color are automatically oppressed and you're automatically

01:19:18.920 the oppressor.

01:19:20.040 But it's the same, it seems to be-

01:19:22.560 Well, that has to do with that proclivity to think in terms of group identity.

01:19:26.480 Yes.

01:19:26.940 Yeah.

01:19:27.160 Well, you know, in many European countries and also in Canada, the way we solve the problem

01:19:32.220 of the socialists of the liberal side was to have a socialist party, right?

01:19:38.080 So in Canada, we have the new Democratic Party now, Trudeau has turned Canadian liberals into

01:19:43.220 people who are farther left than the socialists.

01:19:46.560 And so that's a complete bloody catastrophe.

01:19:49.420 It is, but it's always painted as if we're doing wonderful things.

01:19:53.000 Yeah.

01:19:53.280 We're doing-

01:19:54.220 The bloom has gone off that rose in Canada.

01:19:56.360 It has.

01:19:57.180 Yes.

01:19:57.620 He's going to disappear in relatively short order.

01:19:59.780 He did us a favor though, because when he crushed the truckers and when he called them

01:20:05.520 terrorists and when he, these are people who cared deeply about their country and wanted

01:20:10.720 to peacefully protest.

01:20:12.200 And the truckers who drove all the way across the country got the attention of the world.

01:20:15.440 And when he crushed them, when he called them terrorists, when he froze their bank accounts- 0.94

01:20:20.140 And bigots and racists. 0.99

01:20:21.120 And bigots and rail. 0.99

01:20:21.940 Yeah.

01:20:22.140 You have to do the whole trifecta. 0.78

01:20:23.140 And I think white supremacists and confederates. 0.87

01:20:25.780 And confederates. 0.94

01:20:26.320 There's a flag.

01:20:26.780 Yeah, I know.

01:20:27.300 There's a flag.

01:20:27.680 Do you know how many people in Canada fly the confederate flag?

01:20:31.040 It's like zero.

01:20:32.320 It's zero people.

01:20:33.080 Yeah, but that's one right there.

01:20:34.500 That's enough.

01:20:35.140 The whole group is represented by one guy who works for us, who carried the flag.

01:20:38.800 Yeah.

01:20:39.160 But that actually helped wake up Americans to realize that, you know, the tyranny that

01:20:43.320 we could stand up and, and, and it really was, it was the Canadians that showed the example.

01:20:47.440 Yeah.

01:20:47.800 Well, it had big influence in Europe too.

01:20:49.740 It did.

01:20:50.080 Well, let's stand up against this.

01:20:51.500 Yeah.

01:20:51.660 So in a sense, when they were crushed, they really did liberate us at their great expense.

01:20:56.480 And that's what has to happen.

01:20:57.680 For freedom to expand when it's contracted, there needs to be individual sacrifice.

01:21:02.540 Okay.

01:21:02.760 So let's turn back to Hollywood.

01:21:04.320 Now you don't seem to have been canceled very effectively.

01:21:08.480 No.

01:21:08.980 Well, why not?

01:21:09.940 Well, like, how come?

01:21:11.060 What, what did, first of all, why did you-

01:21:12.800 My wife would disagree with that.

01:21:13.880 Well, you're-

01:21:16.460 When you turn away millions of dollars, it is, it is a, um, attempting thing to just go

01:21:21.340 along with the status quo.

01:21:22.280 I'm not going to say I'm not corruptible, but I would say that like when they-

01:21:26.240 Just weren't offered enough.

01:21:28.700 Yeah.

01:21:29.220 My price wasn't met.

01:21:30.500 Yeah.

01:21:30.800 Yeah.

01:21:31.080 Right.

01:21:31.440 Right.

01:21:31.740 Right.

01:21:31.820 Right.

01:21:31.880 I'm more than willing.

01:21:33.300 But I mean, you're, you're, you're thriving, I think.

01:21:36.120 I mean, I'm not saying at all that any of this was without a cost.

01:21:39.140 So why don't you walk us through that a little bit?

01:21:40.860 Well, I met these, these parents in 2012, 2013, who told me that these kids were absolutely

01:21:47.900 fine, uh, and that they were, their children under two were above the markers where they

01:21:53.100 need to be.

01:21:53.580 And then they were giving these load of, of vaccines all at one time.

01:21:57.500 And then all of a sudden they developed, uh, neurological disorders and, uh, for the,

01:22:01.940 you know, they use the word autism, but, but it really is brain damage.

01:22:04.900 These, these, um, there seems to be, and I know it was discredited under Andrew Wakefield,

01:22:09.740 but now more and more research, we've been able to say that there is a cytokysmic, um,

01:22:16.500 uh, reaction from, in the gut bacteria that is directly related, uh, that could affect

01:22:21.760 the brain and cause, uh, brain inflammation.

01:22:23.960 And so when I always thought the Chinese talked about the brain, the two brains, you have your 1.00

01:22:27.920 brain here and brain there.

01:22:28.740 I always thought that meant metaphorically, but no, it's an actuality.

01:22:31.900 You have your brain, you're in your, your gut.

01:22:34.420 And, um, so some children are genetically susceptible to having a problem.

01:22:39.020 Um, and, um, we have a system that's a, um, it's everybody, there's just a, it's a, it's

01:22:47.400 a system where everyone has to be included in it.

01:22:49.940 There is no exceptions.

01:22:51.120 It's a, everybody in, and there's never been a drug, whether it's, uh, any drug ever, that's

01:22:56.420 a hundred percent safe, a hundred percent of the time for a hundred percent of the people.

01:22:59.180 And so these were people, except Ivermectin, except Ivermectin.

01:23:02.860 That's a pretty damn good one.

01:23:04.020 It is the most used, the most, uh, the Nobel prize winning medicine horse paste, as it

01:23:09.080 was called.

01:23:09.880 But this, so you had, um, these parents who said this, my child was fine and then he wasn't

01:23:15.320 fine.

01:23:15.680 And I believed them and I still believe them.

01:23:18.280 And so what happened was if you try to go against that, uh, the big pharma, they'll crush

01:23:24.460 you and they will take away.

01:23:26.040 And, uh, and so I did, I testified, I learned as much as I could, spoke to these parents

01:23:31.060 and then testified on their behalf in the state legislature in, uh, in California.

01:23:35.800 And when was that?

01:23:37.200 2014 and boom, they was, uh, descended upon.

01:23:41.860 Oh, so that was early.

01:23:43.060 So that was, so that's where I, and I met Bobby a few years.

01:23:46.480 I mean, I re-met Bobby, I knew him in New York, but then, uh, we became into this, um,

01:23:51.560 I'm stunned by the fact that these, uh, there were these, a tremendous amount of children.

01:23:59.820 I mean, this is, it is consequential.

01:24:02.460 It isn't, this isn't a, a minor statistic when you could say that one out of, one out

01:24:07.840 of every 36, this is a statistic from the NIH and the CDC, one out of every 36 children

01:24:13.480 and as much as one out of every 26 boys now has a neurological disorder that is called

01:24:19.400 autism.

01:24:19.940 That is untenable.

01:24:22.340 We can no longer continue as, I mean, I can't continue with my day knowing that information

01:24:26.860 and just pretending going to make Deuce Bigelow four or whatever.

01:24:30.120 At a certain point you have to go, well, who's, why aren't we dealing with this?

01:24:35.100 And then you realize, um, the machinations at play and you realize the tentacles of big

01:24:40.860 pharma.

01:24:41.580 Forget about the Mexican cartel.

01:24:43.380 That's a measly five, 10 billion, maybe on a good year, $20 billion a year.

01:24:48.440 Forget about them.

01:24:49.380 The drug cartel for that drug alone, $350 billion a year, just for that, those series

01:24:56.580 of drugs.

01:24:57.000 And they never go evergreen.

01:24:57.920 In other words, it doesn't become generic.

01:24:59.660 They keep making this money every year.

01:25:01.720 And so in 1986, there was this childhood vaccine safety act where Congress ruled that vaccines

01:25:08.160 were unavoidably unsafe.

01:25:09.780 So the vaccine makers were getting sued the hell out of them and they got tired of it.

01:25:15.220 So they went to the Reagan administration.

01:25:16.280 They said, hey, you got to help us out.

01:25:17.960 Well, if you don't make this, uh, if you don't take away our liability, if you, you know,

01:25:21.540 if you don't protect us from lawsuits, give us liability protection, we're out.

01:25:26.320 And so Reagan didn't want to sign it, but he got talked into doing it.

01:25:30.880 One of my dear friends, Barbara Lowe Fisher, she was one of the parents, one of the few

01:25:35.080 parents who was on the, the, that was working with Congress at that time on that legislation.

01:25:40.620 And once that legislation went through, which for the first time it gave us the vaccine adverse

01:25:45.480 effects reporting system, which at least is something, at least it can say anybody can

01:25:50.240 report to this and then there's a government marker of something, whether it is a hundred

01:25:54.320 percent factual or not.

01:25:55.460 The fact of the matter is it is indicative of something.

01:25:59.400 And so there at least was a system, but instead of following through what the Congress

01:26:04.300 was mandated to do under that legislation, which was checked for the safety of vaccines,

01:26:08.520 they've never done it.

01:26:09.240 They have never done it.

01:26:11.160 So still to this day, there's never been, whether it's a vaccine for measles or whether

01:26:14.840 it's for any of the vaccines have been tested with the gold standard, which is a thousand

01:26:20.260 people, a thousand kids with the shot, a thousand without, and let's check the results.

01:26:24.220 That's never happened.

01:26:25.580 So why is that?

01:26:26.780 And why can't we have that?

01:26:27.940 Because they don't want to know because they have a cash cow happening and that cash cow

01:26:32.440 is never going to end unless somebody gets in the way of it.

01:26:35.140 But what's in the way of it?

01:26:36.220 What's in the wake of this?

01:26:37.260 We have generations of injured children.

01:26:39.980 We have generations of people that have been hurt.

01:26:42.060 How did you meet Kennedy?

01:26:43.840 Well, Kennedy was involved in this.

01:26:45.700 He was as left, a lefty.

01:26:47.860 Remember when the Democrats were environmentalists, but for real?

01:26:52.180 Remember when they cared about animals and whales before they cared about offshore wind

01:26:57.980 machines that were killing whales by the dozens?

01:27:00.140 Well, they cared about the environment.

01:27:03.220 They cared about, you know, spaces for animals and they cared about nature.

01:27:07.620 They cared about pollution.

01:27:09.260 Well, this was, this was the environment that I was, I mean, who doesn't want to join and

01:27:12.660 be part of a cleaner environment for your children, for yourself?

01:27:16.080 And so he was cleaning up the river in New York.

01:27:19.780 And so as they need to do, they need to raise money to fight these lawsuits. 0.97

01:27:24.400 And so they just need dumb celebrities like me to show up and shake a few hands and show 0.97

01:27:29.420 up at a party and tell some jokes. 0.99

01:27:31.340 And then you realize the work that was required to clean up the Hudson.

01:27:36.500 The Hudson was a place that like, you know, literally was so polluted that fish couldn't,

01:27:42.840 fish could not breed in it.

01:27:44.200 You couldn't swim in it at your own peril.

01:27:46.920 So something had to be done.

01:27:48.820 And it really, it took, it wasn't industry correcting itself.

01:27:52.380 It was a group of people that were, that fought that system.

01:27:56.020 And he was one of the lawyers who sued every polluter on that Hudson and eventually got

01:27:59.580 to the place where that water now is pristine.

01:28:01.800 Well, is as close to pristine as you can imagine.

01:28:04.220 And there's fish again and you can swim in it.

01:28:06.100 So that's a huge success story.

01:28:07.500 So he automatically had my respect.

01:28:09.260 And so when he got involved a little bit later than I did with the idea of vaccine injured

01:28:17.280 children and that there was a problem.

01:28:20.960 So you already regarded him as credible at that point because of the other work he had

01:28:24.200 done.

01:28:24.660 Yes.

01:28:24.960 And we needed somebody of his stature and of his brains, frankly, and his, you know,

01:28:33.300 his legal powers to get, to come into our organization and see what we could do.

01:28:39.600 And when I say organization, it's this mom here, it's this mom here.

01:28:42.620 It's a group of, and what do they have?

01:28:44.560 As opposed to the pharmaceutical industries, you can say, what is their motive?

01:28:47.780 To continue getting hundreds of billions of dollars.

01:28:51.080 What is the motive for the parents of injured children to prevent this injury from happening

01:28:56.680 to other parents, to prevent this misery?

01:28:58.800 Because their kids already has damage that may be, you know.

01:29:03.080 Irremedial.

01:29:03.900 Irremedial.

01:29:04.540 And so, so these are people that are going, I want to stand with these people.

01:29:07.980 And it isn't easy.

01:29:09.360 And it wasn't, it wasn't without, you know, a cost.

01:29:13.940 But the cost.

01:29:14.760 So that was your first foray into the political and that wasn't, essentially, that was in 2014?

01:29:19.400 The parental rights, because what they do with rights.

01:29:21.900 And I remember for some, whatever reason, I mean, because my dad was Jewish and he would

01:29:26.040 always have these, you know, when the Nazis come back, because they're going to come back

01:29:30.200 in another form, they're going to come back.

01:29:31.600 And when they come back, they're not going to take us alive.

01:29:34.080 We're going to, there's a gun and you grab that gun, you're going to go here and you're

01:29:36.860 going to, and he would have it.

01:29:37.800 And I always thought that was crazy.

01:29:38.800 And I, but, but then it piqued my interest because any Jew who was born in the 1930s,

01:29:46.260 the indelible mark of, of the Holocaust was, was something that you, you always had with 0.62

01:29:53.260 you.

01:29:53.640 My dad, it never left him.

01:29:55.220 Of course, how could it?

01:29:56.760 You know, this is a slaughter of relatives and blah, blah, blah.

01:29:59.740 And you can, and so I went, when I went to East Germany in 1984 and I said, let me go

01:30:05.300 to the Reichstag building and at the Reichstag building there, which was in West Germany,

01:30:09.680 in the middle of Eastern Germany, at the Reichstag building at that time, they had all the laws

01:30:14.580 that were enacted from Nazi Germany from 1934 until 1940, when the Nazis no longer felt the

01:30:21.200 necessity to even pass laws or any legislation because the, all the, all the rights for the

01:30:26.440 Germans had already been taken, but it was incrementally done just like, you know, you know,

01:30:32.160 taking your shoes off at the airport, whatever it's, but it was incrementally done.

01:30:35.300 It was incrementally done enough to the point where eventually, you know, the, the, all

01:30:39.980 the rights were gone.

01:30:40.980 So that was, that really stuck with me.

01:30:43.500 So the, um, there was legislation in this, uh, in California that was brought on by this

01:30:49.420 state Senator Pan, which was to force parents because there were still legal rights.

01:30:54.500 So in other words, if you had a child that was injured from a vaccine, because maybe genetically

01:30:59.060 predisposed for an injury or it happened and the kid became autistic, you have another

01:31:04.080 kid, you don't want to risk his potential.

01:31:06.380 So you should get a medical exemption.

01:31:09.320 So what they wanted to do, or you can get a philosophical exemption or a religious exemption

01:31:12.920 to these mandated drugs.

01:31:14.820 So, or, or your kid can't go to school.

01:31:17.460 So what happens, what they wanted to do was make it more difficult for parents.

01:31:20.460 So they, they, they proposed this legislation with saying, you can have that, uh, exemption,

01:31:27.900 but you have to go see a doctor and the doctor has to agree to give it to you.

01:31:32.960 So they, they put a wall up to make it difficult.

01:31:36.320 And, you know, and the average parent is going to go, well, I got to go to work.

01:31:39.400 I get a drive and I get to do, you know, what's the, you know, how, you know, it's, and then,

01:31:43.320 and then pediatricians, if you weren't up to date on all the shots for every child, all the,

01:31:48.280 they would kick you out of your pediatric practice, which was, you know, cruel.

01:31:53.540 So under, under the, the, um, seeing this, and then that legislation did pass and there

01:31:59.200 was a lot of the parents and I was up there with the parents and they were upset because

01:32:02.240 they knew that, uh, this was just going to be eventually taking away.

01:32:05.340 And they did the next thing they did, the medical board and the legislation, which was

01:32:08.540 written by big pharma was to take away the rights from the parents.

01:32:11.100 So they couldn't even have a medical exemption.

01:32:12.560 And they did in California, there is no medical exemption in California.

01:32:15.360 If you want your kid to attend school and if his sibling had a problem with these

01:32:19.140 vaccinations.

01:32:20.080 So that is medical tyranny.

01:32:22.200 And so at that point I was ready for seeing how far this is going to happen.

01:32:27.060 So if they could do that in the state of California, America's largest state, most

01:32:30.200 popular state, then they could literally shut down the world and make you have

01:32:33.940 vaccine passports.

01:32:35.800 And they did.

01:32:37.180 The idea was we are going to keep track of all this and you're going to have to take

01:32:41.640 it.

01:32:41.880 Otherwise you're not going to be able to travel.

01:32:43.160 You're free.

01:32:43.720 You're free to stay in your home.

01:32:45.700 You're free to...

01:32:46.580 Well, you know that the extermination policies in Nazi Germany started out with the

01:32:51.100 medical community.

01:32:52.020 Yes.

01:32:52.420 There was a vermin.

01:32:55.560 We need to protect you from this vermin.

01:32:57.560 Yes.

01:32:57.960 So it's always under the auspices of protection and safety and usually health.

01:33:01.940 Yeah, right.

01:33:02.320 And the Nazis very much used that health. 0.82

01:33:04.300 Yes, and doctors were radically overrepresented in the Nazi party.

01:33:07.800 As a matter of fact, a very interesting statistic is that the number of PhDs, the highest percentage

01:33:13.860 of PhDs in any society in the 20th century, Nazi Germany.

01:33:18.120 So intelligence and degrees and elitism doesn't protect the society.

01:33:21.340 Well, yeah.

01:33:21.760 Well, the problem is if you're smart and you're also celebrated for being smart, you have this

01:33:26.700 terrible temptation to worship your own intelligence, right?

01:33:30.060 That's literally the Luciferian spirit, right?

01:33:34.040 The most, the, what is it, the highest angel in God's heavenly kingdom who goes most spectacularly

01:33:41.240 wrong is Lucifer, right?

01:33:42.900 He's the bringer of light and he's the avatar of the intellect raised to the status of object

01:33:50.840 of worship.

01:33:51.800 Wow.

01:33:51.920 And it's absolutely the case that smart people are prone to that temptation.

01:33:55.380 I kind of think that's how God balances the cosmic scales, right?

01:33:58.900 Is that it's really a massive advantage to be biologically blessed with high intelligence

01:34:05.520 and it's a biological phenomenon.

01:34:07.280 But the temptation.

01:34:08.540 That's the thing.

01:34:09.740 Is that it comes along, it comes, what it has along with it is the worst of all possible

01:34:14.760 temptations and curses, right?

01:34:16.940 You have the new aristocracy, the new aristocracy, the new, instead of the lords and dukes and

01:34:22.240 princes and kings, it's PhDs.

01:34:25.780 It's the expert in this.

01:34:27.200 Yeah, well, that's.

01:34:28.140 It's the CIA expert.

01:34:28.840 It's the expert in the State Department.

01:34:30.700 These are now the aristocracy.

01:34:31.520 That's grown onto some rocky shoals in recent years.

01:34:34.200 Well, this is another thing that I'm really curious about with regards to the renewal on

01:34:39.240 the Democrat side, let's say.

01:34:40.920 Yes.

01:34:41.060 Because I can't, for the life of me, see how the university, I can see how the Democrats

01:34:46.540 can turn themselves around because there's a lot of turnover in politics.

01:34:50.080 But there isn't at the university.

01:34:51.780 Quite the contrary.

01:34:52.720 They're set up so that there is no turnover.

01:34:54.880 And, you know, there was reason for that.

01:34:56.520 But in the big universities, all of the faculty are Democrat and a huge proportion of them are

01:35:05.080 quite radically left.

01:35:06.620 And it's even worse among the administration.

01:35:09.340 Well, it's good.

01:35:09.820 So, like, how in the world is that possibly going to be fixed?

01:35:12.780 I've thought about that.

01:35:12.900 I've thought about that.

01:35:13.640 Well, what's going to have to happen is, just like capitalism and just the marketplace

01:35:18.720 of ideas and the marketplace of finances and money and the results that these, you know,

01:35:27.120 graduates of these clearly...

01:35:30.000 Addled.

01:35:30.900 Addled universities will have is going to work its way out.

01:35:34.780 It's going to have to.

01:35:35.480 Very much like in the late 60s and early 70s.

01:35:38.020 And you remember this.

01:35:39.020 There were, especially in California, there were these universities where you can get a

01:35:43.460 degree just going out and sitting in the woods.

01:35:45.020 So, if you have a degree from 1972 from, like, UCLA or from Santa Cruz, University of Santa

01:35:52.040 Cruz, I mean, people, you know, you would look at the resume and go, okay, well, this

01:35:55.700 isn't a real degree.

01:35:56.800 This person, you know, is not going to be able to help our car, help us design cars.

01:36:01.480 So, the solution to the universities will be capitalism.

01:36:04.760 It will be.

01:36:05.400 It'll have to be.

01:36:06.200 It'll have to be also.

01:36:07.300 I mean, somebody who's...

01:36:07.840 They'll also fail economically because they're too expensive.

01:36:10.720 They will.

01:36:11.060 And then what will have to happen is that these universities are going to...

01:36:14.620 I mean, I say this on stage to an audience.

01:36:16.980 How much would you have to hate your child to send them to Yale right now, to send them

01:36:21.460 to undergrad?

01:36:22.760 Because, you know, the business schools are still 85%.

01:36:25.480 Harvard Business School is still 85% conservative.

01:36:29.420 The business schools.

01:36:30.320 These are people who have to actually make a living.

01:36:32.280 They have to actually prove their worth in finance, in an actual business sense.

01:36:36.960 But the undergrads, they can, they can, and the teachers there, they can just continue

01:36:41.780 to crank out advocates for a potential, for a particularly, for an illiberal ideology

01:36:47.860 that is completely partisan.

01:36:50.400 They can, that's going to continue until that weeds its way out.

01:36:54.500 I don't see that happening except for people are going to have to, like, if you want to

01:36:59.280 be a millionaire, Charlie Kirk was talking about that, work in the trades, become a...

01:37:03.560 I mean, God knows we are short of plumbers.

01:37:07.460 You know, if you can be, if you want to be a well...

01:37:10.020 Especially entrepreneurial plumbers.

01:37:12.220 Absolutely.

01:37:12.780 If you can have a series of, if you can have your own business of plumbing, you could become

01:37:16.140 a millionaire in short order.

01:37:17.520 So working with your hands, so, and you have these degrees that I would have...

01:37:20.880 Also harder to replace with computers.

01:37:23.040 Right.

01:37:23.820 You know, when you have a, that's the way I try to explain to people, my liberal friends,

01:37:28.440 the few who still talk to me.

01:37:29.520 You want a plumber to come in and fix, if you have, you know, literally human waste

01:37:36.560 coming out of your toilet, spilling everywhere, you want a plumber and you want somebody to,

01:37:40.420 you're not going to invite that guy after to stay for dinner.

01:37:42.940 You're going to say, just do the work, please.

01:37:44.480 And just please make my house livable again, or this part of the house livable again.

01:37:48.780 I say the same thing about Donald Trump.

01:37:51.300 He's not going to come to your kid's bar mitzvah.

01:37:53.200 He's not going to stay for Thanksgiving dinner.

01:37:55.180 He's going to be in charge of having enough people to take care of that problem that you

01:37:59.620 have.

01:38:00.320 And that's a cancer on society that we have.

01:38:02.200 You don't have to like him, but you should stay out of his way.

01:38:04.480 Stay out of his way.

01:38:05.580 And like, there is a purpose in it.

01:38:07.760 And the majority of Americans seem to think that is a better road.

01:38:11.140 So let these people, the good people of America, have made a decision.

01:38:14.440 Now let them follow through on it.

01:38:16.300 And that's the particularly tough road that the Democrats have to hoe. 0.99

01:38:20.540 Because they thought, well, even if we lose this election, we'll get the popular vote.

01:38:23.680 But they didn't.

01:38:24.360 So they have literally no air.

01:38:27.200 So their balloon can't fly.

01:38:29.060 There's no hot air that they can put into that's workable.

01:38:31.580 The hate is not going to be, there's not enough hate in our society now.

01:38:35.800 There seems to be a sense of relief.

01:38:37.760 Yes.

01:38:38.060 So that balloon of hate and disparaging Donald Trump is not taking off.

01:38:45.640 So that is where we, that's where we're at.

01:38:49.000 That's a very good place to stop and also well-timed.

01:38:51.860 And I think what we'll do, by the way, for everybody who's watching and listening, if you want to join us on the Daily Wire side, I think we'll spend half an hour there talking about Rob's experiences specifically in Hollywood.

01:39:02.600 And what he sees on the horizon for comedy and also for entertainment in general.

01:39:08.220 So if you're inclined, join us on the Daily Wire side.

01:39:11.780 This is Rob's new book, in case you missed it at the beginning.

01:39:15.340 You can do it, which is a good message.

01:39:17.580 And also a necessary one, because even though you have this remarkable cadre of people in charge on the Republican side under Trump, they're going to need help at every possible level.

01:39:30.760 And, you know, your whole culture here in the United States is predicated on the idea that not only can you do it, but you should.

01:39:37.900 And if you don't, then all hell will break loose.

01:39:40.940 So, yeah.

01:39:41.720 Thank you.

01:39:42.000 So very good talking to you.

01:39:43.460 Thank you very much.

01:39:44.060 Thanks again, everybody, for watching and listening.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast - January 09, 2025

513. Hollywood Undone and the Return to Comedy ｜ Rob Schneider

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