The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast - 550. Broken, Blacklisted, and Saved by Comedy

00:00:00.000 This is Dr. Jordan Bean Peterson.

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00:00:15.200 Are you a conservative comic? Is that a reasonable thing to say no?

00:00:18.480 No, I was as left as left can be.

00:00:20.860 I didn't get the COVID shot.

00:00:22.700 That's when people started saying I was conservative.

00:00:25.180 So we saw each other on Kill Tony. I didn't expect that.

00:00:28.060 I didn't know you were going to be there.

00:00:29.300 Neither did I. Tony's a rough guy.

00:00:32.220 Tony's so angry because everybody thinks he's gay.

00:00:34.720 Well, fuck yeah. Fucking amazing.

00:00:37.660 You don't hold back.

00:00:38.480 I will, but I'm not going to Russell Brand you.

00:00:41.160 Manipulation of the condensation, of the retriculation, of the masturbation.

00:00:47.060 You know, and that's what I think about oat milk.

00:00:48.940 How many impressions can you do?

00:00:50.680 Upwards of 50. By the way, I love RFK Jr.

00:00:53.120 But I said, why does every woman under 30 sound like RFK Jr.?

00:00:56.280 And then I started doing this whole thing about, you know,

00:00:59.300 this is how women sound in bed.

00:01:01.360 You know, I want you to choke me.

00:01:03.160 Yeah.

00:01:03.600 Hello, everybody.

00:01:20.220 So a lighter podcast today, given that I'm speaking with a comedian, Tyler Fisher.

00:01:26.560 Tyler's in the midst of a lengthy multi-city tour.

00:01:30.280 He's got 100 venues lined up before the end of the year, before the end of 2025.

00:01:34.440 It's light, of course, because it's comedy, but there's a dark edge to it, too.

00:01:38.920 And that's also not so uncommon in comedy.

00:01:41.220 And the dark edge is, ah, he's probably one of the most well-canceled comedians

00:01:45.680 that are still staggering around, so to speak, today.

00:01:49.400 And we delve into that.

00:01:51.220 And we also investigated the relationship between acting, entertaining,

00:01:57.540 being truthful, and being genuine.

00:02:03.760 Tyler told me that when he was a kid, he used his acting ability, his comedic ability,

00:02:09.920 as a defense, in a way, as a mode of coping.

00:02:14.480 And that it wasn't until he was in his 30s that a more genuine approach to his thoughts

00:02:20.300 melded with his acting ability.

00:02:22.960 So we delved into that, his familial background, the trouble he encountered as a kid,

00:02:29.120 his encounter over a decade or more with cancel culture, his acting career,

00:02:36.300 and then his re-emergence, really, on the comedic stage prior to the tour

00:02:43.680 that is going on now until the end of 2025.

00:02:48.200 So join us for that.

00:02:49.720 So, I think you deserve all this attention.

00:02:53.900 Three cameras, like 10 people, all focused on you.

00:02:57.300 This is for you, come on.

00:02:59.560 Though I did wear this for you.

00:03:03.040 Okay, now you have to explain why, because the connection escapes me.

00:03:07.080 Just the color, you like colorful things.

00:03:08.780 Oh yes, okay, okay.

00:03:09.960 So this was a Jordan-inspired, Jordan-inspired.

00:03:14.080 I washed my shoes in the sink this morning for you.

00:03:18.640 Oh, that's impressive.

00:03:19.760 And then I made my damn bed.

00:03:21.320 Yeah, well, that's really, you know, going the whole nine yards.

00:03:25.180 So, the last time I saw you...

00:03:27.220 You're fantastic, by the way.

00:03:27.480 Thank you, sir.

00:03:28.200 Thank you.

00:03:28.580 You're welcome.

00:03:29.180 I think the last time I saw you was at Rogan's Comedy Mothership.

00:03:33.180 Is that correct?

00:03:33.900 Yeah, we did Kill Tony together.

00:03:35.860 Yeah, that was a surprise.

00:03:38.000 Yeah, how many new comedians' careers do you think we destroyed that night?

00:03:42.680 Oh.

00:03:43.000 Between my...

00:03:45.360 Shit, can we swear on this?

00:03:46.540 Yeah, you can do whatever you want.

00:03:48.580 Okay.

00:03:48.920 Well, within, you know, reasonable bounds.

00:03:51.300 Yeah, yeah.

00:03:51.640 I'm not going to play Kanye's new song quite yet.

00:03:54.740 That's probably wise.

00:03:55.760 Sure.

00:03:56.360 Yeah.

00:03:56.880 But now, did you...

00:03:58.340 My friend Jonathan Pajot thinks the post-war interpretation of the world is coming to an

00:04:03.360 end and that Kanye is leading that.

00:04:05.260 That could be true.

00:04:06.140 Oh, who the hell knows what's true.

00:04:08.040 Yeah.

00:04:08.640 Have you listened to the song?

00:04:10.700 Yes.

00:04:11.260 Sure.

00:04:11.680 When did I listen to it?

00:04:12.620 I heard it in the car as you pulled up.

00:04:14.620 Yeah, yeah.

00:04:15.360 No, no, that was old punk, I think, that I was playing, or the Pogues.

00:04:20.140 I don't remember what was going on.

00:04:22.000 Yeah, I never...

00:04:23.260 I liked old Kanye's music and then I saw him get very cocky and, you know, godlike and

00:04:29.500 I shut off.

00:04:30.540 I said, this isn't going to end well.

00:04:32.200 Yeah.

00:04:32.360 And I was kind of alone in that.

00:04:33.360 He's got a manic touch, eh?

00:04:34.700 So...

00:04:35.020 Sure.

00:04:35.320 ...that inflates people.

00:04:37.380 Yep.

00:04:37.620 Yeah, so, yeah, it's very strange and it's very hard to know what to make of it and I

00:04:44.540 don't.

00:04:45.060 And, I mean, I've seen a terrible rise in anti-Semitic content on, well, university campuses.

00:04:52.120 Let's start there.

00:04:52.820 Oh, yeah, sure.

00:04:53.560 Go Columbia.

00:04:55.060 The inclusivity places.

00:04:56.200 At Harvard, bloody pathetic hellholes.

00:04:57.860 Sure.

00:04:58.520 And, but on X2 and although...

00:05:00.800 They didn't actually even let me in.

00:05:02.300 I applied.

00:05:03.600 So, talk about not being inclusive.

00:05:05.080 Yeah, that's for sure.

00:05:06.460 Pretty much no college let me in.

00:05:07.880 Yeah.

00:05:08.760 Yeah, well, has it turned out okay for you?

00:05:11.000 It has.

00:05:11.760 I did, I dropped out.

00:05:12.720 I went to the University of Rhode Island for, for acting.

00:05:16.600 Oh, you did?

00:05:17.420 The prestigious acting school in the middle of Rhode Island.

00:05:20.640 When did you do that?

00:05:23.200 Well, I'm 38, so I started at 18.

00:05:27.700 I took an improv class in high school and I was a horrible kid.

00:05:31.800 Horrible.

00:05:32.600 Just probably like you.

00:05:33.580 I remember some stories about your childhood in Canada.

00:05:36.200 Yeah, yeah.

00:05:37.220 Was I horrible?

00:05:38.320 I don't know.

00:05:39.300 You started drinking at what age?

00:05:40.440 I have horrible friends.

00:05:40.920 Oh, yeah, 14.

00:05:42.400 I got you beat, 10.

00:05:43.940 10?

00:05:44.440 Yeah.

00:05:44.840 I might be as tall as you if I didn't start smoking.

00:05:48.180 Yes.

00:05:48.460 What did you start drinking at 10?

00:05:50.680 I was drinking beer.

00:05:52.060 I was drinking, I was smoking cigarettes, marijuana, you know, started dating around then.

00:05:58.360 So, I've kind of peaked, you know, you should have had me on 20 years ago.

00:06:01.960 Yeah, what about the criminal activity?

00:06:04.760 Breaking into cars, you know, robbing stores.

00:06:10.420 Robbing stores in what sense?

00:06:12.540 Shoplifting?

00:06:13.280 Shoplifting.

00:06:13.800 Okay.

00:06:14.260 That's slightly different than actually robbing a store.

00:06:17.120 Sure.

00:06:17.380 I stole this from Gap Kids.

00:06:19.940 I was very tiny and I had, I was hanging out with kids four or five years older than me.

00:06:24.700 Yeah.

00:06:24.980 And parents went through.

00:06:26.260 You could fit into places they couldn't go?

00:06:27.940 They would send me over the counter and into a little, there'd be a little space in a car window.

00:06:32.400 And I would slip through and come out with the disc man and all that stuff.

00:06:35.960 And so, that's how I started getting attention was, was doing these pretty extreme kind of, but somewhat funny behaviors.

00:06:45.060 And all these kids loved it.

00:06:46.880 And my parents had just gone through a divorce.

00:06:49.100 So, I was probably seeking, you know, some father.

00:06:52.800 Trouble.

00:06:53.200 Trouble and maybe a father figure as well.

00:06:55.980 Yeah.

00:06:56.520 How'd that work out?

00:06:57.380 I'm a good dad, but, you know, divorce is, is messy.

00:07:01.940 And you're the first person I heard probably really criticize it properly.

00:07:07.080 Which, divorce?

00:07:08.080 Yeah.

00:07:08.680 Tell me about that.

00:07:09.000 I've never heard anyone say that before.

00:07:10.400 Tell me, tell me what you remember.

00:07:12.920 From what you said?

00:07:14.120 Yeah.

00:07:14.840 You said, maybe not that it should be banned, but that it should be very rarely used.

00:07:22.720 Just like abortion.

00:07:23.880 Just like abortion.

00:07:24.780 Safe, legal, and rare.

00:07:26.100 Yeah, that reminds me.

00:07:26.560 I guess the Democrats kind of mucked up on the rare side, eh?

00:07:29.920 I don't fancy that.

00:07:31.660 Well, with, yeah, with the abortion, their time is limited.

00:07:36.320 Because look, look what's happening.

00:07:37.920 Most, they're pro-abortion.

00:07:39.780 They love getting rid of those kids.

00:07:41.780 If they do have kids, they're chopping their genitals off.

00:07:45.240 Now they're blowing each other's Teslas up.

00:07:47.000 They can't even make it to the abortion clinic.

00:07:49.200 So, I tell the conservatives, like, just give it 10 years.

00:07:53.080 Just quiet down and sit back.

00:07:54.800 And they'll, you know, they're killing themselves.

00:07:58.400 So, what's it like being a, are you a conservative comic?

00:08:01.740 Is that a reasonable thing to say no?

00:08:03.440 No, I actually, I encourage comedians to not attach any political label to it.

00:08:09.180 I mean, I was as left as left can be.

00:08:12.420 I, you know, I grew up in a...

00:08:13.840 Hence the criminality.

00:08:14.880 Yes, exactly.

00:08:16.280 In the Jew-hating.

00:08:18.140 No, no, a lot of my...

00:08:19.540 The right can manage that, too.

00:08:20.460 I just found out I'm Jewish.

00:08:21.940 Oh, oh, oh, so you're self-hating now.

00:08:23.880 I'm part Jewish, yeah.

00:08:25.020 Oh, yeah.

00:08:25.380 Not down here.

00:08:26.020 I'm fully Christian down here.

00:08:27.660 But my great-grandmother had an affair with a Ashkenazi Jew and had my grandfather.

00:08:35.500 So, I'm not linked to the Fisher bloodline at all.

00:08:39.280 My last name is Landorf.

00:08:41.040 And I come from a very short, stocky Jewish heritage.

00:08:46.300 Hmm.

00:08:46.900 So, that just came out.

00:08:48.460 How did you find that out?

00:08:49.680 23 and me.

00:08:51.040 Oh, yeah.

00:08:51.680 Yeah.

00:08:51.880 Oh, yeah.

00:08:52.480 Didn't they sell all their DNA samples to the Chinese?

00:08:55.000 Oh, probably.

00:08:55.720 Yeah, I think so.

00:08:56.360 I think so.

00:08:56.720 That means they can target viruses for all of us.

00:08:59.360 Sure.

00:08:59.900 Yeah.

00:09:00.120 Yeah, yeah.

00:09:00.660 But that's when people started saying I was conservative because I didn't get the COVID shot,

00:09:07.900 mostly because my pediatrician said I was too tiny.

00:09:11.120 Right, right, right.

00:09:11.620 Just listening to my doctor.

00:09:13.080 Right.

00:09:13.400 But that was the beginning for me.

00:09:15.100 So, why didn't you get the shot?

00:09:17.220 I had.

00:09:18.140 Apart from being sane, I got the goddamn shot.

00:09:20.440 That was stupid.

00:09:21.240 Well.

00:09:21.680 I was so sick, though.

00:09:22.620 I couldn't think so.

00:09:23.680 You got what?

00:09:24.340 One?

00:09:25.020 Two.

00:09:25.600 Two?

00:09:26.440 Yeah.

00:09:27.040 Your body, your choice.

00:09:27.960 I know people took you to task for that, but I, you know, that's, I don't care if anyone

00:09:33.420 got it.

00:09:33.980 It's the forced.

00:09:34.920 It's the mandated thing.

00:09:37.120 That's for sure.

00:09:37.720 I don't think we're.

00:09:38.300 That was absolutely unconscionable.

00:09:39.740 There's been some things happen in the last decade that are just beyond comprehension.

00:09:43.340 And that is certainly one of them.

00:09:44.800 The cops are coming just from us talking.

00:09:46.320 Yeah, right, right, right, right.

00:09:47.860 But that's when people started going, oh, you're, you're far right.

00:09:51.540 You're a Trump supporter because you didn't get the COVID shot.

00:09:55.320 And I, it.

00:09:55.940 Yeah, well, far right is pretty much anything that isn't communist.

00:09:58.900 So.

00:09:59.140 That's true.

00:09:59.560 And that's especially true in Europe.

00:10:01.260 Right?

00:10:01.740 Yeah.

00:10:02.360 But I thought he, first of all, he made it, right?

00:10:05.160 He, he's, his brilliance is pushing things through regulation.

00:10:09.700 That's why he has buildings all over New York City.

00:10:12.820 He, he can skip regulation.

00:10:14.760 So Trump got that shot made so much faster than it would have.

00:10:19.720 You remember everyone said, even Trump said, it'll take, you know, they said it'll take

00:10:23.720 10 years, Jordan, right?

00:10:25.100 They said it'll take 20 years.

00:10:26.820 I made it in two days, right?

00:10:28.480 Two days.

00:10:29.820 Warp speed.

00:10:30.420 They say warp speed.

00:10:31.300 And, and I'm going, if I love Trump, I would, I would, I would have done whatever he said.

00:10:37.920 So that, so that on its head was just backwards.

00:10:40.760 That was the first time I go, the, the, the politicization, politicization of this is, is

00:10:46.100 completely, uh, there's no basis for it.

00:10:48.580 Profit.

00:10:49.320 Yeah.

00:10:50.260 Yeah.

00:10:50.760 Yeah.

00:10:52.100 Yeah.

00:10:52.540 No, it's a hell of a situation to set up where the vaccine manufacturers have no liability

00:10:58.440 and they can use force.

00:11:00.400 Like that's just an invitation to psychopaths, obviously, because you can make an infinite

00:11:05.940 amount of money with no consequences.

00:11:07.680 Like there's a deal for you.

00:11:09.160 Sure.

00:11:09.680 So, yeah, it's pretty, it's pretty sad.

00:11:12.100 So we saw each other on Kill Tony.

00:11:13.840 I didn't expect that, by the way.

00:11:15.560 I didn't either.

00:11:16.080 I didn't know you were going to be there.

00:11:17.380 I would, I, neither did I.

00:11:18.780 I showed up and Tony asked me to participate, which was very good of him.

00:11:22.600 And I had quite a fine time.

00:11:23.940 It was quite fun, but I really didn't know what the hell I was doing.

00:11:27.320 Well, I didn't.

00:11:28.220 That's often the case.

00:11:29.160 Had you seen it before?

00:11:30.220 And you had seen the show?

00:11:31.760 Yeah.

00:11:32.020 Okay.

00:11:32.220 I hadn't really seen it before.

00:11:34.500 So, so I just watched a clip or two.

00:11:36.960 Yeah.

00:11:37.220 Well, I, well, I hadn't seen the whole show either.

00:11:39.480 I'd just seen enough of it to kind of know what was going on.

00:11:42.000 So what did you-

00:11:42.480 Took me a bit of time to put two and two together.

00:11:44.300 Well, I've watched it.

00:11:45.220 I was at Rogan's Comedy Mothership within the last month again.

00:11:50.720 And, oh yeah, because I was on Rogan.

00:11:53.300 That was the reason.

00:11:54.000 And, uh, Kill Tony was on that night.

00:11:57.620 And what do I think of it?

00:12:00.740 Well, Tony's a rough guy.

00:12:03.100 He's got a saw-edged tongue.

00:12:05.060 Yeah.

00:12:05.320 And he's kind of no holds barred.

00:12:07.000 But he's a weird, it's a weird show because it's brutal and it's a great opportunity.

00:12:13.380 And so that's a weird juxtaposition because if people do well, they can have a career.

00:12:22.460 Yeah.

00:12:22.920 And that's a big deal.

00:12:24.700 And Tony's provided that.

00:12:27.420 And I guess the price that people pay for having that opportunity is if they, they have to put up with the skewering.

00:12:36.080 And maybe that's a fair deal.

00:12:39.620 I mean, everybody's doing it.

00:12:40.840 They're all adults.

00:12:41.520 It is definitely a rocket ship version of success compared to when I started.

00:12:50.020 There was no viral clips.

00:12:53.300 You know, you had to spend 10 years in basements in New York City just getting brutalized.

00:12:59.900 But imagine Kill Tony but in a basement with, you know, six or seven comedians.

00:13:04.060 Right.

00:13:04.340 No real audience.

00:13:05.460 Right.

00:13:05.800 And we beat the shit out of each other.

00:13:07.180 Right.

00:13:07.340 So Kill Tony's probably no more brutal than it was before.

00:13:10.100 And it's a lot faster.

00:13:11.080 It's just in front of the world, which is, to me, it's a, I feel fortunate that that didn't happen to me.

00:13:17.180 I had about 15 years of really getting dirty before any level of pain.

00:13:21.360 So tell me how you, how did your career start?

00:13:24.480 So you said you were a terrible delinquent and you were drinking when you were 10.

00:13:29.680 And did you become an alcoholic?

00:13:31.320 Yeah, I'd say so.

00:13:32.880 I mean, it was, I was addicted to it, but, but luckily it didn't, it didn't stick.

00:13:38.020 I think finding, um, performing, uh, it set me free.

00:13:43.480 Oh yeah.

00:13:43.600 Oh yeah.

00:13:43.980 How come?

00:13:44.780 Well, I was failing out of high school and I was friends with the, the acting teacher and we would hang out.

00:13:51.200 Oh yeah.

00:13:51.900 We would do drugs together.

00:13:54.920 That's definitely hanging out with the acting teacher.

00:13:57.320 Public school.

00:13:57.660 Public school.

00:13:57.760 Um, and I thought, well, if I take his class, I'll get, I'll pass.

00:14:02.540 Uh-huh.

00:14:02.880 I needed the class.

00:14:04.160 And so I went and, uh, and I got on stage and.

00:14:07.520 So you were friends with him before you took the class?

00:14:09.420 Yeah.

00:14:10.120 I took it to guarantee an A to pass me.

00:14:13.000 Okay.

00:14:13.320 How did it happen that you befriended him or vice versa before you took the class?

00:14:18.000 Well, public school, everyone, the teachers were sleeping with kids and this was not uncommon in public school.

00:14:25.800 Oh, it was uncommon in the public school I went to.

00:14:28.980 Yeah, sure, sure.

00:14:30.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:14:30.940 Yeah.

00:14:31.460 Us privileged white kids were getting, you know, uh, doing drugs with our teachers.

00:14:35.240 I see.

00:14:35.740 Yeah, yeah.

00:14:36.280 This was in Rhode Island?

00:14:37.380 This was in, uh, Connecticut.

00:14:38.540 This was right outside of New Haven.

00:14:41.260 So parents got divorced.

00:14:42.560 When I was seven, my father came out of the closet.

00:14:45.860 He came out as.

00:14:46.280 Oh yeah, that's a shock.

00:14:47.440 Came out as racist.

00:14:49.080 Oh.

00:14:49.480 No, he came out as homophobic.

00:14:51.000 Uh, no, he, gay.

00:14:52.320 Sorry.

00:14:53.140 He came out as gay when I was seven.

00:14:54.820 And, uh, you know, so I, I also have a.

00:14:58.740 Ah, so that's what precipitated the divorce.

00:15:02.060 Uh, no, he was just really messy.

00:15:04.760 Yeah, it had something to do with it.

00:15:06.400 Yes, no doubt.

00:15:07.260 They tried two years to stick it out and didn't, didn't stick.

00:15:11.740 Yeah.

00:15:11.940 And so, yeah, I was, I was, uh, I was out of control.

00:15:16.040 Absolutely out of control.

00:15:17.220 And so suddenly, you know, suddenly, uh, your parents are fighting and using you as, as weapons.

00:15:24.460 Yeah.

00:15:25.000 I've forgiven them.

00:15:25.820 I love my parents.

00:15:26.860 Two brothers.

00:15:28.220 Older, younger?

00:15:29.120 Two older brothers.

00:15:30.020 Yeah, we're all two years apart.

00:15:31.500 Uh, one has also since come out of the closet.

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00:16:35.000 I could come out any day now.

00:16:36.540 Yeah, well, the shirt.

00:16:37.300 I'm getting, yeah, yeah.

00:16:38.860 Well, I was raised by a gay father.

00:16:41.340 I think Tony's so angry because everybody thinks he's gay.

00:16:44.380 Well, fuck yeah.

00:16:45.560 Yeah, yeah.

00:16:46.660 Fucking amazing.

00:16:48.340 That's, he's also so disarming because of his voice.

00:16:50.800 Yeah.

00:16:51.300 So he has that, that, that beautiful mixture of being absolutely brutal, but you're never going to fucking, you know, this kind of soft voice.

00:17:00.700 And, uh, so yeah, that, that, that, that's how I was raised.

00:17:04.480 My mom was losing her mind and dating, you know, psychopaths.

00:17:08.520 So that was one house.

00:17:09.920 The other house was my dad, you know, finally exploring his, his new life, um, as a gay man in the 90s.

00:17:16.740 Oh yeah, that's complicated.

00:17:18.160 Tail end of the AIDS epidemic.

00:17:20.520 And so, so I, I got on stage.

00:17:23.380 Okay, so it was on from that to the, to the art teacher.

00:17:26.820 Yeah.

00:17:27.220 And getting on stage and it all just, uh, people were laughing and I was doing impressions and voices.

00:17:33.260 Uh, all of which I, me and my brothers, that was our coping mechanism as kids.

00:17:38.660 So we would watch Saturday Night Live and we would watch comedy in South Park and, you know, that was, that was our healing process.

00:17:46.840 So you had, you had competitive humor with your brothers.

00:17:50.420 Yes.

00:17:50.840 And very extreme, very physical, very extreme types, a type of humor.

00:17:55.820 So, so once that hit on stage, he said, you have to do this for your living.

00:18:01.940 Okay, so you, you took the acting course in high school and then you went to Rhode Island.

00:18:08.020 Went to Rhode Island.

00:18:09.020 How long were you there?

00:18:10.140 I was there for three years.

00:18:11.480 Was it, was it useful?

00:18:12.700 It was very useful.

00:18:13.620 Okay, tell me why, what'd you do?

00:18:15.380 I had some teachers, you know, and again, this was before, you know, the political correctness stuff got out of control.

00:18:21.880 What year?

00:18:22.300 The wokeness.

00:18:23.080 This was, uh, 2005.

00:18:25.760 Right.

00:18:26.140 I would have pegged you younger than 38, by the way.

00:18:28.620 Oh, thank you.

00:18:29.140 So yeah, I guess that's a compliment.

00:18:30.620 Probably the plastic surgery.

00:18:31.580 Yeah, it could be, could be.

00:18:33.040 I'm wearing my placenta.

00:18:33.840 It's your rosy complexion.

00:18:34.800 Placenta mask at night, you know.

00:18:37.700 So, uh.

00:18:38.500 That's too much information.

00:18:40.700 Yeah.

00:18:41.900 Yeah.

00:18:43.140 Rhode Island.

00:18:44.020 Yeah.

00:18:44.300 Acting school.

00:18:45.020 I, you could, you can get messy.

00:18:48.380 You can fuck up.

00:18:49.900 You can be offensive.

00:18:51.540 There was, there was no offensive.

00:18:52.880 It was the first day of acting class.

00:18:56.320 The entire class was crying because it got that messy.

00:19:01.440 We were doing these exercises where you had to push somebody, you know.

00:19:05.220 You might have a line that says, like, get away, and then get away, then get away, then you push them.

00:19:09.980 We did exercises where you would be physically held to the ground and you had to use your monologue to get out of it.

00:19:17.420 I had this teacher.

00:19:19.060 She was twisted, but, but in the perfect way.

00:19:22.700 And so, uh, what a gift because I just made it.

00:19:27.800 You know, the universities didn't really go sideways till about 2000 and started around 2010.

00:19:34.100 And so, you were in there when they still functioned.

00:19:38.100 Yep.

00:19:38.840 Yep.

00:19:39.380 And there was no, no casting based on race or gender or any of that stuff.

00:19:43.620 So, I got, I got, uh.

00:19:45.260 Height?

00:19:46.160 No, no height.

00:19:47.640 No height.

00:19:48.280 Well, no, we'll get to that.

00:19:49.400 Sorry, you made a bunch of jokes.

00:19:51.040 We'll get to that, man.

00:19:52.060 Yeah.

00:19:52.540 Yeah.

00:19:52.880 You have that height privilege.

00:19:54.300 Yeah.

00:19:54.560 Yeah.

00:19:54.840 I was, I was small.

00:19:56.640 Well, everyone was small as a child.

00:19:58.600 But I was, like, under five foot two, I think, when I graduated from high school.

00:20:03.960 So, that was rather annoying.

00:20:05.620 Yeah, I bet.

00:20:06.260 Yeah.

00:20:06.580 I think when I first got my driver's license, I had to sit on, like, two phone books to see over the top of the dash.

00:20:12.020 Oh, really?

00:20:12.420 That was not very good for my, like, cool status among the patrons of Fairview.

00:20:15.680 But it probably made you funny because you are very funny.

00:20:18.660 Yeah.

00:20:18.940 Well, I had to use my mouth, you know, to, to defend myself against the, the bullies.

00:20:25.920 Sure.

00:20:26.460 And then you grew.

00:20:27.400 And my friends, like, the Northern Albertan culture was a comedic culture.

00:20:32.360 Like, Northern Albertans are very funny.

00:20:34.120 Albertans in general.

00:20:35.320 And I had a lot of friends who just, all we did was tell jokes to each other.

00:20:38.700 All we did was try to, our competition was really for wit.

00:20:43.040 That was it.

00:20:43.380 The laughs.

00:20:43.840 The biggest laugh.

00:20:44.620 The biggest laugh won, yeah.

00:20:46.180 And I had some great friends, guys I still know, who were, yeah, they were extremely funny.

00:20:53.620 So, that was fun.

00:20:54.740 Really fun.

00:20:55.600 Yeah, you could have been a comedian.

00:20:57.180 I mean, you, you, you're kind of lucky because you can get away with sneaking jokes in without the pressure of people expecting.

00:21:04.400 I saw you at the Beacon Theater in 2019.

00:21:06.800 And I did the whole, I put the, got the suit, damn suit on.

00:21:11.140 Good, good.

00:21:11.800 Put the damn suit on.

00:21:12.800 Yeah, you cost me a lot of money.

00:21:14.020 Good, good.

00:21:15.460 Got the suit on and, yep, yep.

00:21:17.620 I just found my ticket, actually.

00:21:19.120 See, I can't tell a joke, like a prepared joke.

00:21:23.380 When I lecture, I don't ever use notes or anything like that.

00:21:26.340 Like, it has to be spontaneous.

00:21:27.520 Oh, we can tell.

00:21:28.580 Yeah.

00:21:28.960 No, it's great.

00:21:29.880 I love that.

00:21:30.440 I copied you.

00:21:31.500 It's improv.

00:21:31.800 I stopped using notes, set lists, all of that, based on your hearing you say that.

00:21:38.020 Yeah, well, you can take notes beforehand and you can, you know, sort your head out, but it's way better to.

00:21:43.560 Because then you have to find it.

00:21:45.240 Well, and you can also pay attention to the audience, which makes a huge difference, right?

00:21:48.960 Because you get that connection and you can, you can play off the understanding of the audience.

00:21:56.140 And then they trust you because you're trusting them and it gets, the dynamic is much better.

00:22:01.180 No one should lecture with notes and no one should ever read a lecture.

00:22:04.180 Well, there is the odd person who can get away with it, but they have to be like professional actors to manage that.

00:22:09.960 Sure.

00:22:10.160 And maybe I could learn to tell jokes that were scripted, but generally something will pop into my head and I think, I'm going to say this.

00:22:16.480 I don't give a damn.

00:22:17.360 Well, you have that long, drawn out, you know, pause, because again, we're not, we're not expecting the laugh.

00:22:25.440 And so, so I saw you milk things and maybe you didn't know the line was coming, but you got a couple huge pops in that theater.

00:22:32.640 Yeah, it's fun.

00:22:33.440 Yeah.

00:22:34.220 It's fun.

00:22:34.860 It's great fun to manage that.

00:22:36.060 Yeah, well, in the set is actually the, the lecture has a comedic structure in a way because the whole lecture, if it works right, has a punchline, you know, and that punchline isn't necessarily one that will elicit laughs, but, but that's also something that's extremely entertaining is to try to juggle a number of balls and then land them.

00:23:02.240 And that's, well, that's what you do if you land a joke and that's great.

00:23:06.080 And then the audience is very appreciative of that.

00:23:08.280 And, and the whole evening concludes in a satisfactory manner.

00:23:12.120 You know, the weird thing is the same thing often happens in a podcast.

00:23:15.960 You know, I've noticed that if you pay enough attention, which you always should do, by the way, I figured out this week that everything is a burning bush.

00:23:25.500 If you pay enough attention to it, that's what that story in the Old Testament means is that if you get to the bottom of something by paying attention to it, you see God.

00:23:34.620 That's right.

00:23:35.860 That's right.

00:23:37.300 That's what happens with hallucinogens is you, you, you get that experience.

00:23:41.400 But if you pay enough attention to anything, it's capable of revealing everything.

00:23:47.240 Like in any case, if you pay enough attention in a podcast, there'll be a natural narrative arc and then there'll be a landing, you know, where the guest says something that really concludes things nicely.

00:23:58.200 And all that, all that that depends on is paying enough attention to.

00:24:02.620 So that's fun to, that's fun to track.

00:24:04.680 And it's, it's why you have to also get your, everything in your life straightened out the way you've, you've encouraged people to, because you can't, you, you can't have that type of focus if you have all of these other things.

00:24:21.720 Yeah, that's right.

00:24:22.700 So it's, it's, it's worth nearly killing yourself to do, which, you know, and that, that's when I just.

00:24:28.640 So how do you figure that out?

00:24:30.460 Well, start watching your damn lectures.

00:24:33.160 Yeah.

00:24:34.080 And did you took, you took them with some degree of seriousness?

00:24:36.460 Oh, yeah.

00:24:37.460 So what changed?

00:24:38.000 That was about eight years ago.

00:24:39.180 Well, what changed?

00:24:40.340 Well, you know, everyone has their own personal things in life.

00:24:44.860 I had my traumas as a kid and, you know, I'm lucky.

00:24:49.340 I, I, I do love my family, but for Christ's sake, everybody is, is, has gone through hell in some way or another.

00:24:56.980 And going through what I did as a kid, you know, I, I didn't even know what being gay was.

00:25:03.860 And so having a gay father and a mother with some proclivity, I'd say, or some predisposed mental illness, probably, seeing her crumble, you know?

00:25:14.980 And then I started taking care of her and then never talking to anyone about that.

00:25:23.000 That's a, that's a lot for a child.

00:25:25.040 Oh, yeah.

00:25:25.280 And every child has gone through that.

00:25:27.680 Um, and so then I had no, I had no life skills because, because we, we never told each other the truth growing up, which is brutal.

00:25:37.040 Yeah, that's, that's not good.

00:25:38.380 And when I did, my mom would cry and my dad would yell.

00:25:41.680 So I learned how to just, just make jokes and make everybody happy, which was killing me.

00:25:46.740 And I did that until I was 30.

00:25:49.200 And when I was about 30, my mother, uh, tried to kill herself and I found her.

00:25:56.120 So that, that was the, that was sort of the, the seed of waking me up in, in, in ever, you know, a never ending list of ways.

00:26:10.460 But it was, it was, I think you've talked about this, right?

00:26:14.400 You, you, if you're kind of in the middle, you, you're not going to change anything.

00:26:18.900 You know, you have to hit a certain rock bottom for something to wake you up because you see people just coasting.

00:26:26.720 And it's, that's kind of the opposite of the burning bush.

00:26:29.500 Sure.

00:26:30.420 That, that, that hitting rock bottom.

00:26:32.360 The wet bush.

00:26:32.760 Means you get, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:26:35.060 The wet stick.

00:26:36.460 That means that you get to the bottom of something.

00:26:38.960 And sometimes it's hell, right?

00:26:41.060 Yeah.

00:26:41.380 Right, right.

00:26:42.300 Often, often.

00:26:43.680 It kind of has to be.

00:26:44.700 I think that if you practiced aiming up with enough religious devotion, so to speak, and you paid enough attention, that's in the, in the gospels, Christ teaches people how to pray.

00:26:59.000 And the, that's on the Sermon on the Mount, which is the longest continuous utterances we have from him in principle.

00:27:07.880 But it's an, actually, it's an instruction manual.

00:27:11.380 And the instruction is, it's, it's brilliant, especially in the context of the Old Testament.

00:27:16.920 There's an idea in the Old Testament that you consecrate the firstborn to God.

00:27:21.400 And what that means, psychologically, is that when you embark on a new endeavor, even a new episode in a day, like every, anytime the, the set shifts, that's a good way of thinking about it.

00:27:34.520 You need to remember what you're doing and why.

00:27:39.900 And then you might think, well, okay, let's say that we're setting the frame for this conversation.

00:27:44.880 Okay, so why don't we think, why don't we try to make this the deepest conversation we could manage?

00:27:51.460 I'm trying, I'm trying not to be funny, by the way.

00:27:53.820 I'm really holding back.

00:27:54.980 I hope you can be funny.

00:27:56.500 You, you, you don't hold back.

00:27:57.660 I will, but just for the sake of it, you know.

00:28:00.020 Don't hold back.

00:28:00.260 I'm not going to Russell brand you.

00:28:01.920 You know, I was, by the way, I just want to say, I was watching in D.C.

00:28:04.640 We did the event together.

00:28:05.720 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:28:06.060 And, and, and, uh, I don't feel bad about impersonating you anymore because you and Russell had, had this, this little talk with a group and, and he, he hit you after every line he impersonated you.

00:28:17.780 Yeah, yeah.

00:28:18.220 And I said, I feel I'm off the hook now.

00:28:20.940 He's quite the competitive conversationalist, Mr. Brand.

00:28:23.640 Yeah, and he's got a funny way of talking too.

00:28:25.380 I know he, you know, he did you the whole, you know, every time.

00:28:28.120 Yeah.

00:28:28.440 But he, he'll just throw a string of words and you go, I don't know what the hell he said, but it sounds good because of that British accent.

00:28:34.280 Yeah, well, he's got that going for him.

00:28:36.940 Manipulation of the condensation, of the retriculation, of the masturbation, you know, and that's what I think about oat milk.

00:28:45.240 You go, what the hell did you just say?

00:28:46.580 He can do that in real time.

00:28:47.960 It's incredible.

00:28:48.680 It's quite impressive.

00:28:49.620 Yes.

00:28:49.660 But anyways, I feel good because I, I feel off the hook after the way he really got you.

00:28:56.060 Don't hold yourself back.

00:28:57.340 So I'll finish this story and we'll return to, we'll return to your narrative.

00:29:00.620 So the idea is that before you undertake something, you remember, if you're wise, that you might as well do it in the best possible way.

00:29:11.640 So that needs to be the aim.

00:29:12.960 The aim would be to do it in the best possible way.

00:29:16.660 So that's to aim up.

00:29:17.840 That's in the religious language.

00:29:20.040 That's to put the father before all else, right?

00:29:22.820 Heaven, the kingdom of heaven.

00:29:24.120 And so to try to make this, this, the outcome perfect.

00:29:28.480 So then you have to figure out, well, why the hell are you doing this?

00:29:31.040 And maybe it's because you're aiming down or you're causing trouble.

00:29:33.680 Well, you know, you'll get it.

00:29:35.680 If that's what you're aiming at, you'll get it.

00:29:38.300 Once you've established your aim, then pay attention.

00:29:42.580 So that's why Christ says to consider the lilies of the valley, that they don't toil or spin and that God's clothed them in glory.

00:29:50.740 The idea is that once you set your aim high, all you have to do is pay attention.

00:29:57.720 And that's actually correct.

00:29:58.840 That's actually how perception works because perception guides you to an aim.

00:30:04.360 So what does that mean?

00:30:06.580 Well, what's a prayer for?

00:30:08.060 Prayer is to set your aim, not to wish for things, to set your aim.

00:30:13.160 And so that's an unbelievably useful thing to know if you can practice it.

00:30:17.000 And why wouldn't you practice it?

00:30:18.400 If the consequence is that when you set your aim, you can see the pathway forward, which is the truth, then, okay, so you were, you found your mother.

00:30:28.300 By the way, I was going to say everything you just said word for word.

00:30:31.780 You were going to say that?

00:30:33.000 And I scooped you?

00:30:33.780 You took it.

00:30:34.540 Yeah, literally the whole thing.

00:30:36.000 But I'm going to let you have that.

00:30:36.800 Well, you did allude to it, though, because you talked about something that happened to you when you found your mother.

00:30:42.840 Okay, so what happened?

00:30:44.900 Well, what happened in that moment was, oh, I can't save anybody.

00:30:50.900 That was it for me.

00:30:52.120 My childhood was trying to please everybody and save everybody because it was such chaos in my house.

00:31:00.180 So I used love and compassion and jokes and, you know, putting on shows, you know, I would put on these shows.

00:31:08.840 It was just, you know, my mom will die if I don't make her laugh.

00:31:14.780 And, oh, who was it?

00:31:16.260 Eugene, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.

00:31:19.380 Who was that that played?

00:31:22.240 Gene Hayman?

00:31:24.860 No, no.

00:31:25.540 Curly Hair.

00:31:26.100 How do I not remember?

00:31:27.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:31:27.280 Wilder.

00:31:27.820 Wilder.

00:31:28.220 So we had a similar experience.

00:31:30.500 His mom was sick.

00:31:31.400 I think she had cancer.

00:31:32.260 And the doctor said, if you don't make your mom, if she cries, she's going to die.

00:31:37.400 Oh, that's a good thing to know.

00:31:38.960 And so my mom told me the same thing.

00:31:40.800 She said, I'm going to die.

00:31:42.920 And here's the lockbox.

00:31:44.440 And here's where all this stuff is.

00:31:46.500 She just sat, me and my brothers, and I said, I'm dying.

00:31:48.820 She didn't say why or how, you know.

00:31:51.800 I said, was it a joke?

00:31:52.900 You know, am I bombing over here?

00:31:54.220 And so that was it.

00:31:55.340 If she's not laughing, she's going to die.

00:31:58.220 So that's how serious it was for me with humor and entertainment.

00:32:02.760 And so when I saw her trying to take her life, she had walked into a lake and there was pills lined up on the edge of the lake.

00:32:15.720 I mean, that's burned into my head, that image.

00:32:18.500 And I went and pulled her out.

00:32:21.160 And I guessed where she was.

00:32:23.000 I didn't even know she was there.

00:32:24.960 I was literally at a fork in the road in my car.

00:32:27.860 And her husband called and said, she took the car.

00:32:31.480 And, you know, the hospital said she can't drive.

00:32:34.040 We knew she was suicidal at the time.

00:32:35.580 And I just picked a place and went there and pulled her out.

00:32:42.460 And I looked at her and I realized, oh, I can't save anybody.

00:32:47.180 So from that, from her nearly dying, and she's, you know, psychologically gone at this point, she's still alive.

00:32:53.440 But that set me free.

00:32:58.200 What was the realization?

00:33:00.260 That I can't, I'm not going to save anybody.

00:33:03.480 I can, I can.

00:33:04.900 Why?

00:33:05.400 And how was it that you realized that?

00:33:07.520 Because she tried to, yeah.

00:33:08.680 Because it failed you.

00:33:09.360 Oh, this isn't about me.

00:33:10.600 Right.

00:33:11.120 This is something I can't even begin to do.

00:33:13.440 Well, everybody has their own destiny.

00:33:15.460 Yeah.

00:33:15.920 Right.

00:33:16.160 So that was the moment when I probably started saying what I actually thought.

00:33:22.000 And right after.

00:33:23.060 Oh, I see.

00:33:23.680 Yeah.

00:33:24.020 Yeah.

00:33:24.280 Right after that, you know, and this is going to connect back to the whole, are you a conservative comedian?

00:33:30.240 Well, then cut to 2000.

00:33:32.680 Well, if you tell the truth, then you're probably a conservative comedian.

00:33:36.460 Yeah, that's true.

00:33:37.180 Yeah.

00:33:37.440 Yeah.

00:33:37.720 Yeah.

00:33:38.080 And they're getting funny, too.

00:33:39.500 Yeah, I know.

00:33:40.120 What the hell?

00:33:40.720 It's really switched.

00:33:41.620 Rush Limbaugh.

00:33:43.420 Rush Limbaugh.

00:33:44.180 He was the first, I heard him as a Canadian.

00:33:46.600 I went down to LA, oh, I don't know, 40 years ago, a long time ago.

00:33:49.640 Yeah.

00:33:49.920 And I heard Rush Limbaugh.

00:33:51.400 And he was like, he was like Trump in a way, you know, he was so nefarious.

00:33:55.240 And I heard him and I thought, this guy's a comedian.

00:33:58.420 Like, people were taking him seriously, but mostly I thought he was hilarious.

00:34:03.180 He was just hilarious.

00:34:04.460 Well, if the new marker is that you are going to say what you want while risking offending people.

00:34:10.940 Yeah.

00:34:11.320 That is comedy.

00:34:12.660 Yeah, right.

00:34:13.060 So, if people want to say that's a conservative, you know, at this point, I throw my hands up.

00:34:17.460 I say, fine.

00:34:18.380 Yeah, yeah, right.

00:34:18.880 Exactly.

00:34:19.760 And you can see that at the comedy mothership, too.

00:34:22.880 Yeah.

00:34:23.160 Right?

00:34:23.400 Because I would say the comedy that I heard there would generally be branded conservative.

00:34:30.260 But that's a very strange thing.

00:34:32.580 Because first of all, conservative comedy, that's a very weird thing.

00:34:35.560 But also, it's just that so many things are forbidden now.

00:34:41.660 And mostly forbidden by the laughs.

00:34:44.240 Yeah.

00:34:44.800 They're not actually forbidden, though.

00:34:46.480 I tell comedians that.

00:34:47.600 I go, don't say, you can't say this anymore.

00:34:51.080 I say, just fucking do it.

00:34:52.400 Yeah.

00:34:52.660 You're going to pay the price.

00:34:53.840 I'm in trouble all the time.

00:34:55.920 All the time.

00:34:56.460 But that's just part of it now.

00:34:58.980 Is that a good thing?

00:35:01.200 That's how you can handle it, I think.

00:35:04.360 Let's take that apart a little bit.

00:35:05.940 Because it's a good thing and a bad thing.

00:35:07.600 It's very stressful.

00:35:08.560 But it's also full of opportunity, right?

00:35:10.560 I mean, when things are left on the table, you can take them.

00:35:18.220 You might have to pay the price for taking them, but you can take them.

00:35:21.200 And so, in the comedy world, it seems that the people who are willing to take the risks

00:35:25.120 are likely to be the ones that were successful.

00:35:27.480 Now, when you had decided to start saying what you really believed,

00:35:34.840 so that's, the Jungians would call that the, that's the encounter with,

00:35:39.540 that's the what, realization of the persona.

00:35:41.840 You know, in the Pinocchio movie, Pinocchio is a puppet.

00:35:45.220 But other things are pulling his strings, right?

00:35:48.260 And he comes to the truth, partly because he realizes he's lying.

00:35:52.660 And that's when he starts to become real, right?

00:35:54.600 That's a standard psychological transformation.

00:35:57.760 And so, that occurred when you realized that the act that you were putting on

00:36:02.680 wasn't going to do the trick, fundamentally.

00:36:04.960 Is that fair?

00:36:05.660 Yeah.

00:36:05.980 Okay.

00:36:06.520 Mom's going to die.

00:36:08.160 Friends are going to leave.

00:36:09.140 I was dating a girl at the time who got back with her ex-boyfriend.

00:36:13.780 And so, I was, I was flattened out.

00:36:16.780 I mean, I was, I barely made it through that.

00:36:19.980 But that's when I started seeing your videos.

00:36:23.000 And it was mind-blowing.

00:36:24.760 You know, I would see you say something and it would just be explosive.

00:36:29.020 And then I was gotten to therapy.

00:36:31.400 So, that forced me into therapy.

00:36:33.320 And it was a shitty therapist.

00:36:34.620 She was a social worker.

00:36:36.620 Oh, yeah.

00:36:37.120 And I know she was.

00:36:37.700 That's dangerous.

00:36:38.540 She was.

00:36:38.980 Oh, yeah.

00:36:40.340 Yep, yep.

00:36:42.120 However, and she was, she saw everything through the, through the lens of patriarchy.

00:36:47.280 And, you know, I remember I said, my girlfriend cheated on me.

00:36:49.600 She said, well, did she really cheat on?

00:36:51.080 I mean, she really, you know, so that, that was, but it, but it got me there.

00:36:56.480 It got me into therapy.

00:36:57.780 And that was helpful?

00:36:59.060 It was helpful to just be there and start vomiting stuff out.

00:37:01.900 Yeah, right, right, right.

00:37:02.760 You know, you got to do it.

00:37:03.780 It's going to come out.

00:37:04.520 Yeah, and then she said, I think you should go to 12-step meetings because I was with this girl who was cheating on me and I couldn't get away from her.

00:37:13.400 And so, I started going to all sorts of 12-step meetings.

00:37:17.240 There was no specific thing.

00:37:18.780 Some people said it was, she said it might be love addiction or, you know, I went to the children of alcoholics meetings.

00:37:25.700 And I went there and I just listened.

00:37:28.300 And I did this for two years.

00:37:30.120 Oh, yeah.

00:37:30.480 I locked myself in base because there was no other way out.

00:37:35.320 I had to go into the fire.

00:37:37.880 It was, it was.

00:37:38.700 So, what did you find compelling about these meetings?

00:37:42.260 If you go to those meetings, and I recommend it for anyone that has any addiction, and that could be a, you know, a slew of things.

00:37:51.720 You go and you listen to people, and you're going to, you're just, bombs are going to go off because you're going to go, holy shit.

00:37:58.820 That's what I thought.

00:37:59.940 That's what I felt.

00:38:01.200 And I started putting the pieces.

00:38:02.660 Right, so you were seeing yourself reflected in these other people.

00:38:05.220 Yes, every meeting.

00:38:06.040 And, you know, everyone's sitting there sobbing and at their absolute lowest.

00:38:10.720 And this guy just lost his kids for having an affair.

00:38:13.880 And this, you know, you know, there was some for people that were grieving from deaths.

00:38:19.940 So, that helped with my mom's suicidal, you know, fits.

00:38:25.500 But I slowly started, you know, listening and just putting my story together.

00:38:32.160 Apparently, I'm coming unbuttoned here.

00:38:33.780 Well, I have that effect on people, you know.

00:38:37.300 You can't touch anyone anymore, you know, if it's not consensual.

00:38:40.820 Right, right, so you just do it by what, telepathy?

00:38:44.140 Yes, you hold the door for a woman, she blows a rape whistle at this point.

00:38:47.880 So, yeah, I started piecing it together through the 12-step meetings and learning from your lectures.

00:38:58.200 You know, I can't avoid talking about this whole pinning of white privilege and that really fucked me up.

00:39:09.320 Yeah, I had a friend who really at least committed suicide because of his excess guilt.

00:39:16.900 I can absolutely understand it.

00:39:18.360 I mean, there were other things going on, but that was a major player.

00:39:21.980 He'd swallowed the whole patriarchy, oppressive patriarchy, victim-victimizer narrative, regarded himself as a victimizer, regarded masculinity in its essence as corrupt.

00:39:31.100 And he decided to take a kind of nihilistic Buddhist approach to it and not do anything, which had the additional advantage of irresponsibility, but just killed him.

00:39:41.860 He was smart, too, and talented.

00:39:44.460 And it's going to kill a lot of young boys.

00:39:47.880 Yeah, well, I've seen plenty of that, man.

00:39:50.920 It has to be dealt with.

00:39:52.420 So how did it affect you?

00:39:54.680 Well, in the entertainment business, that, you know, coming off the universities going woke in 2010, okay, then it was white people are evil and oppressive.

00:40:04.320 They take everything.

00:40:05.500 Okay, so we should give the roles to these people based on their skin color and their gender.

00:40:09.620 Well, that spread from, and I was an actor, too.

00:40:14.160 I was doing TV and film and commercials, and, you know, I'd do a million voices.

00:40:19.120 And then suddenly you'd hear your agent or manager say, they're not really looking for white people.

00:40:25.220 And you'd say, well, does the role, is it determined by skin color?

00:40:29.100 No.

00:40:30.100 And then you'd look at the casting breakdown.

00:40:32.260 Prefer non-white.

00:40:34.400 But you can still, if you want, oh.

00:40:37.100 And then you'd feel like a piece of shit going, oh, am I stealing this from somebody?

00:40:41.920 And that just ramped up.

00:40:44.320 And then comedy clubs, you'd start to hear, we have too many white guys.

00:40:49.220 And, well, now all these white men are getting together secretly, kind of, you know, going, this is happening to you.

00:40:56.280 Yeah, but we should just be quiet.

00:40:58.000 And I suddenly said, no, you can't stay quiet about this.

00:41:02.280 I was taught as a kid, and it was pounded into my brain.

00:41:06.100 You don't judge people on race or gender.

00:41:09.560 You judge them on skill.

00:41:11.480 You know, that old racist, what's his name?

00:41:13.180 Martin Luther King.

00:41:14.000 Yeah.

00:41:14.540 That guy.

00:41:16.260 That's what I grew up on.

00:41:17.720 Yeah, well, you can bloody well be sure that the people who have absolutely no merit are going to find some other way to categorize human beings.

00:41:24.040 Sure.

00:41:24.280 And that's at the bottom of all of this.

00:41:26.120 Yeah.

00:41:26.240 It's like it is an absolute 100% war on merit by the psychopaths.

00:41:31.200 Sure.

00:41:31.400 And they found a guilt lever that's so effective, so effective.

00:41:36.500 Yeah, it's appalling.

00:41:37.960 It's appalling.

00:41:38.840 They started to say it out loud.

00:41:40.680 I mean, every year, I'd be at a comedy club, you know, and some agent would come and say, I'm from this, this, the biggest agents.

00:41:48.200 I was flown out.

00:41:49.180 I met with Jim Carrey's manager.

00:41:50.820 I worked with them.

00:41:51.760 And then they slowly started saying, it's not a good time for white guys.

00:41:56.320 We're being told you could only submit so many, you know, and you just got here.

00:42:02.840 So, I mean, I had an email that literally said, sorry, it's too tough for white guys.

00:42:08.240 And they fired me the next day.

00:42:11.440 And then I had another manager scout me and say, you know, we've been watching you for years.

00:42:17.000 You know, we see your impressions, your videos.

00:42:19.360 My stuff was going viral online.

00:42:21.780 And he said, you're a perfect fit.

00:42:23.360 And we got on the phone a few months later, and he said, it is our company policy.

00:42:29.160 This was like second BLM wave.

00:42:31.320 Yeah, yeah.

00:42:32.860 To not take on any more white men.

00:42:36.000 And so I-

00:42:36.600 George Floyd caused even more trouble after he died than when he was alive.

00:42:39.780 Sure.

00:42:40.360 Yeah.

00:42:40.700 Very impressive.

00:42:41.600 Well, that conversation I recorded.

00:42:44.680 Yeah.

00:42:45.180 So that one I got on tape.

00:42:46.600 And I'm now in a three-year, it's three-year-plus lawsuit with, it's called AGI Entertainment, is the name of the management company.

00:42:57.740 Oh, yeah.

00:42:58.400 And-

00:42:59.020 That doesn't sound like much fun.

00:43:00.440 No one-

00:43:00.820 Lawsuits are not much fun.

00:43:01.840 Yeah, and I just said, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not sacrificing this thing that, that not only I love and I'm very good at, but also saved my life.

00:43:13.740 And I think how many young boys are going to go through that and not even have the chance of me getting messy in acting school and fucking up and bombing on stage and saying the wrong thing until it's right.

00:43:26.160 You know, it just kills me.

00:43:28.000 And so I said, I'm going to fight it.

00:43:29.760 And I got-

00:43:30.360 How's that going?

00:43:31.540 Well, it's going to go well because it's on tape.

00:43:34.740 Right, right.

00:43:34.940 There's nothing to hide from.

00:43:36.060 I mean, it's going to get messy and I think they're going to probably try to slander me in any way they can.

00:43:41.580 And so, yeah, I've had my fair share of paranoia over the last few years wondering what are they tracking and what are they going to try to expose and, you know, all that bullshit.

00:43:51.860 But, but it's a hill I'm going to die on.

00:43:55.640 And so we're, we're in the discovery phase and then the deposition and, and I'm not going to budge.

00:44:03.720 But I got, I got eaten alive by a lot of comedians for this.

00:44:08.880 Again, it was convenient to spin that and go, oh, he's racist.

00:44:13.040 He hates black people because he's fighting this thing.

00:44:15.780 Yeah, yeah.

00:44:16.220 Oh, just sit down and shut up.

00:44:18.040 Yeah.

00:44:18.300 And so I learned from your Bill C-16, was it?

00:44:22.340 Yeah.

00:44:22.840 Yeah.

00:44:23.360 So, so again, that, that I watched you go through that and just, just hearing you say, no, I'm not budging, period.

00:44:31.720 And that was my decision.

00:44:34.000 Well, you're going to break one way or another.

00:44:36.420 Sure.

00:44:36.800 You can maybe choose what you're going to break over.

00:44:39.940 That's your choice.

00:44:41.600 Yeah.

00:44:42.600 And so I decided I'm going to have my cake and I'm going to eat it too.

00:44:45.640 Yeah.

00:44:45.840 I lost my Hollywood career, you know, it's tough being at comedy clubs now because there's still, you know, I still, there's quite a bit of, of tension from me putting my foot down with COVID, fighting the mandates, you know, couldn't perform at the comedy clubs.

00:45:02.220 Right.

00:45:02.640 So me putting my hand up, that was, that was shocking for a lot of people.

00:45:07.320 Yeah.

00:45:07.780 But I go out and I, I tour and I do my, my, put my videos online.

00:45:13.260 Well, good, let's talk about your career.

00:45:15.340 Okay.

00:45:15.620 So now you, you mentioned that you started changing the way that you were approaching things when you'd realized that you couldn't interfere with your mother's destiny, so to speak, that you couldn't save her.

00:45:27.400 You couldn't save her with your act, let's say, but you didn't stop acting.

00:45:30.760 You didn't stop comedy.

00:45:32.060 You said you started telling the truth more.

00:45:34.060 You started really saying what you, what you had to say.

00:45:37.240 What did that do to your career?

00:45:41.280 Well, when I made the decision, I'm going to say what I want, when I want, not without consequence, you know, there's this area of, oh, these unfiltered comedians are just going and, you know, making millions of dollars and, and surrounded by strippers and stuff.

00:45:59.240 No, you still, you know, if it doesn't work, the crowd isn't going to reward it.

00:46:03.820 Even if you're a conservative comedian, a conservative crowd, you don't get rewarded, but it's a freedom that is imperative for an artist.

00:46:14.760 You know, you can't, you can't say to a painter, you can't use blue.

00:46:18.040 There's, there's no difference than that.

00:46:20.200 Getting every painter going, you can't use the color blue anymore.

00:46:23.920 It's offensive.

00:46:24.820 And then we go, well, no, I have to.

00:46:27.480 So you just make the decision.

00:46:28.900 I'm going to use blue.

00:46:29.840 I'm going to say what I want.

00:46:30.960 I'm going to make the jokes I want at, you know, I mean, I'm, I'm banned.

00:46:33.760 Well, that's really working at the comedy mothership.

00:46:36.500 I mean, the comedians there, they pretty much say what they want.

00:46:40.220 Yeah, sure.

00:46:41.420 And, and, and I've bombed there plenty and everyone, I've seen everyone bomb every, but, but you can go home at night and go, I, I took the risk.

00:46:51.580 So for me, it was, well, I was, I did impressions.

00:46:55.220 So I thought, why not, why not do an impression of Dr. Fauci?

00:46:58.340 Nobody was doing it.

00:46:59.880 And I did that.

00:47:01.280 Let's see that.

00:47:02.680 You know, you know, really, Jordan, you really got to, there's 50 shots, you know, the first shot really is just to loosen up the vein and get it ready for the second, third and fourth dose.

00:47:13.780 The fifth, sixth, and seventh are to create a vaccine community in the body so that the eight, nine, and 10th feel seen and heard.

00:47:22.040 Nine, 10, and 11 are placebos, getting us to 12.

00:47:25.520 Since 13 is an unlucky number, we go right to 14 through 59.

00:47:28.980 Once we dig up the deceased, revaccinate them so that the worms don't spread COVID through the groundwater, spreading it to the seagulls, taking it over to Cuba.

00:47:38.380 Then we take little teeny tiny needles and individually vaccinate each sperm one at a time so that the babies actually come out pre-protected.

00:47:48.260 Then we can reopen around 2065.

00:47:52.220 That's one thing I did online.

00:47:53.580 And I got banned on TikTok for that.

00:47:56.620 So I've been completely frozen and banned.

00:47:59.160 Oh, so that's permanent.

00:48:01.100 Yeah, they froze me at my, yeah, I was growing.

00:48:03.680 Yeah, yeah, so, so again, but it lit a fire under my ass.

00:48:08.220 It's like, all right, here we go.

00:48:09.320 Gloves are off.

00:48:10.060 Yeah.

00:48:10.420 Well, I'm banned on that thing, which it's absurd.

00:48:13.160 We have a communist Chinese app dictating our culture.

00:48:16.000 It must be the stupidest thing this country's ever done, you know.

00:48:20.360 That's a hard.

00:48:20.920 Aside from some horrible things we've done.

00:48:22.680 But, but, so then it just would strengthen me and go, well, now I have nothing to lose.

00:48:29.600 I was banned on Twitter until Elon came and then I was unlocked.

00:48:34.000 So it's just more fun as an artist.

00:48:39.280 And.

00:48:40.100 Now you're touring now where?

00:48:42.560 The entire country.

00:48:43.760 Every weekend I do a different city.

00:48:46.280 So what have you, how many cities is that over the, and for what span of time?

00:48:51.240 Or is this permanent at the moment?

00:48:52.120 When I, when I couldn't do the comedy clubs during COVID, I would just go to Florida and do a, you know, a veterans hall or a backyard.

00:49:01.400 I started growing my fan base from people that weren't allowed in restaurants.

00:49:08.240 And I would go to apartments in the Upper East Side and for a Jewish birthday party and, and that's, I did that for a year for, for really no money.

00:49:16.860 But I started growing my fan base and I would, I went to every state and then I went back and I would do one night.

00:49:24.040 How did you arrange that?

00:49:25.400 I had a, I had a, it was a word of mouth that like, how did you get the, the opportunities, the micro opportunities to begin with?

00:49:33.560 One guy, he said, I, I booked breweries.

00:49:36.020 Do you want to do some of those?

00:49:37.100 Then we did those and we did veterans halls and I hired a friend to be my manager.

00:49:41.720 This guy named John Fatigate, who was not a manager, but because I was canceled for being white.

00:49:48.260 And he, he goes, he, he believed in me so much.

00:49:52.020 He pretty much gave up his career at the time.

00:49:54.520 And we just worked 24 seven, seven days a week, making videos, making sketches, you know, did that woke Jordan Peterson video.

00:50:03.100 And he produced that and we just did it very grassroots until I was selling so many tickets that somebody said, fuck it.

00:50:13.080 Thank God for greed.

00:50:14.360 I'll work.

00:50:14.900 Yeah.

00:50:15.260 Yeah.

00:50:15.460 It's a reliable vice.

00:50:17.060 Yeah.

00:50:17.220 Like if someone's motivated by money, you can understand them.

00:50:21.640 Yep.

00:50:22.140 Yeah.

00:50:22.800 If they're motivated by ideology, it's like all bets are off, man.

00:50:26.100 You have no idea what's going on in their head.

00:50:28.240 Money is important.

00:50:29.520 You can, you can deal with that.

00:50:31.040 I'm starting to see the value in it.

00:50:32.680 You know, I don't need a lot, but, but you need a certain amount.

00:50:35.860 And so broke into the comedy clubs and now I'm, now they're asking me to come do full weekends.

00:50:40.980 So I do four or five shows in a city and it's, it's, it's incredible.

00:50:45.840 And they're the best fans that you can dream of.

00:50:48.460 Oh, okay.

00:50:48.720 Tell me about that.

00:50:49.720 Well, because they know I'm going to say whatever I want.

00:50:52.340 So they're primed for that.

00:50:53.860 Right.

00:50:54.060 So they're your audience.

00:50:55.340 Yes.

00:50:55.820 They know who you are.

00:50:57.260 There's usually five people that haven't seen me and they, at some point will get up and start screaming at me.

00:51:05.180 Oh yeah.

00:51:05.740 Which I have fun with.

00:51:06.760 It just happened in Toronto.

00:51:08.080 Yeah.

00:51:08.340 Oh, really?

00:51:09.240 In Toronto?

00:51:10.060 There's a shock.

00:51:11.380 15 seconds.

00:51:12.280 It was the record.

00:51:13.480 15 seconds.

00:51:14.140 Yeah.

00:51:14.420 And I went back and forth with her for a few minutes.

00:51:16.880 Her.

00:51:17.380 With her.

00:51:17.940 Yeah.

00:51:18.200 Yep.

00:51:18.540 And, and then they dragged her out.

00:51:20.600 Yeah.

00:51:20.940 But, but.

00:51:21.480 So what, what, why, why was she at a comedy club?

00:51:23.760 Just to be offended?

00:51:25.340 Is that the plan?

00:51:26.300 Probably.

00:51:27.020 Yeah.

00:51:27.420 Well.

00:51:27.540 That's a big business these days.

00:51:28.720 It is.

00:51:29.060 To be offended and then morally outraged.

00:51:31.000 What a deal for everyone.

00:51:32.760 She got her moment.

00:51:33.600 I filmed it, I'll put it online and, you know, get some more fans from it.

00:51:38.100 Right.

00:51:38.780 But, but they're very fun shows and I don't have an opener.

00:51:41.140 I do 90 minutes, 80 to 90 minutes.

00:51:43.560 Oh yeah.

00:51:43.980 Well, I'm going to come and see you now.

00:51:46.180 It's Sunday.

00:51:47.500 Yeah.

00:51:47.700 Right.

00:51:48.000 I think I'm going to come Sunday or Friday.

00:51:49.880 I have to figure that out yet, but I'm looking forward to it.

00:51:51.360 You better write a couple minutes.

00:51:52.480 Yeah.

00:51:52.860 Yeah.

00:51:53.160 Yeah.

00:51:53.400 Yeah.

00:51:54.140 Yeah.

00:51:54.460 Yeah.

00:51:54.780 So are you, where would you put yourself in the arc of your career?

00:51:58.680 Like you said that you were doing reasonably well in Hollywood at one point.

00:52:02.480 Yeah.

00:52:02.600 I was, I was growing.

00:52:03.960 Yeah.

00:52:04.120 A co-star, then guest star, where you'd have your own story.

00:52:07.160 And I was being brought in for series regulars against, you know, some big names.

00:52:13.200 Yeah.

00:52:13.640 And that's when it all.

00:52:15.000 And that was when?

00:52:16.720 That was probably about eight years ago.

00:52:19.580 Uh-huh.

00:52:20.560 And then the COVID thing, then I.

00:52:22.580 Right.

00:52:23.060 You know, but I did.

00:52:23.980 Death for performers.

00:52:25.180 Daily Wire brought me in and I did Terror on the Prairie with Gina Carano.

00:52:29.060 Uh, and, and that was wild and that was non-union.

00:52:32.480 So we, there was no COVID rule.

00:52:34.840 And then Lady Ballers, which we were both in.

00:52:37.620 Yeah.

00:52:38.080 Yeah.

00:52:38.400 Right.

00:52:38.640 And then Mr. Bertram, the, the animated series.

00:52:40.700 That wasn't on my bucket list being Lady Ballers for, for the Daily Wire.

00:52:44.680 Like I would have never really presumed that that was going to happen.

00:52:48.020 You, or, uh, what's her name?

00:52:49.580 The, the, the swimmer, uh, who.

00:52:52.740 Riley.

00:52:53.140 Riley was in it as well.

00:52:54.140 Yeah.

00:52:54.400 Yeah.

00:52:54.600 Right.

00:52:55.120 Right.

00:52:55.500 I don't imagine that was in her bucket list either.

00:52:57.900 But that's a great way to fight this.

00:52:59.740 By bringing her into a film about men playing in women's sports.

00:53:03.140 I thought that was brilliant.

00:53:04.020 Yeah.

00:53:04.360 Yeah.

00:53:05.000 So now.

00:53:05.460 Well, maybe that's starting to come to an end, eh?

00:53:07.120 The UK had decided that men and women actually exist and the Supreme Court ruled on that.

00:53:12.100 So that was a big deal.

00:53:13.500 And, and the, you, you Americans seem to be a little more sane about that.

00:53:17.760 Canada, of course, no.

00:53:19.200 But, you know, we like to lag in a, in our progressive manner and especially economically.

00:53:25.140 So, you know, that, uh, the typical Canadian now makes 60% of the typical American.

00:53:31.760 Really?

00:53:32.380 Yes.

00:53:33.060 What about the female Canadian?

00:53:34.760 Would you cut that in half?

00:53:36.260 No, it's 70%.

00:53:37.140 I think they only make 70 cents.

00:53:38.400 The wage gap?

00:53:39.320 Because it's all they're worth, as we all know.

00:53:41.400 Okay.

00:53:41.640 So, yeah, yeah.

00:53:43.260 That's, obviously, it's because the statistics are calculated by dimwitted, envious feminists

00:53:48.040 who have nothing better to do than whining bitch.

00:53:50.760 I've dated plenty of them.

00:53:53.100 I'm actually current, I, I was on a show called Gutfeld on Fox News.

00:53:57.660 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:53:57.960 I'm off the show because a, somebody, I asked a woman out for coffee and, uh, uh, I assume

00:54:04.500 manager, onlooker, um, just called it harassment, called security.

00:54:11.580 Really?

00:54:12.240 And had me escorted out.

00:54:15.100 And so I'm, I'm, that's a new thing I'm working out.

00:54:17.960 That was my first Me Too, which I'd call the most trivial Me Too in the history of the

00:54:23.520 Me Too movement.

00:54:24.720 This was a woman who consensually agreed to get coffee.

00:54:28.540 We exchanged information.

00:54:30.120 And somebody was so disgusted by that, that they called it her.

00:54:34.500 Wasn't someone after the same woman by any chance, was it?

00:54:37.240 Well, it might have been.

00:54:38.560 It's, it's.

00:54:39.360 That'd be my guess.

00:54:40.220 They won't even have a conversation.

00:54:42.220 Nobody at Fox, nothing.

00:54:43.920 I'm just, I'm just gone.

00:54:45.160 And I put it out publicly.

00:54:46.180 I, I put this out.

00:54:47.340 I waited for two months.

00:54:49.040 Yeah.

00:54:49.540 But again.

00:54:50.040 That's probably wise.

00:54:50.920 I waited two months, but I just said, I, I, I'm not going to let this happen.

00:54:55.320 And it's tragic that young men are disappearing in the dating scene.

00:55:01.900 It's not good.

00:55:03.520 Dating apps are not good.

00:55:05.040 Yes.

00:55:05.460 Well, I figured out something horrible.

00:55:07.300 Do you, do you want to know what it is?

00:55:08.500 Do you know how you define consent?

00:55:11.420 Marriage.

00:55:13.560 Yeah.

00:55:14.180 That's good.

00:55:14.760 Well, look, I've really, I really tried to think it through, you know, because there are

00:55:18.840 so many, there's too many variables every other way.

00:55:23.440 So like one of the things I saw, this starting to happen on university campuses when they

00:55:27.600 put all these rules in about what constituted consent.

00:55:30.520 Now, the thing they really always avoided was alcohol because there's, there's no date

00:55:35.740 rape without alcohol.

00:55:37.120 Like alcohol is at the bottom of almost all normative sexual misbehavior.

00:55:41.740 So if the universities were the least bit serious about the things they claim to be

00:55:46.500 serious about, for example, they'd focus on alcohol.

00:55:49.560 Yeah.

00:55:49.760 But there is a conundrum.

00:55:50.760 You're signing your will away when you drink.

00:55:52.740 I remember dating girls going, no, if you are out drinking, it's, it's off the table.

00:55:57.360 You've signed your, your, your will away.

00:55:59.300 Well, and the strange thing about it is that there's some truth in that, right?

00:56:03.100 Because alcohol does make people, well, unconscious if you drink enough of it, that happens to be

00:56:09.880 a problem and then before unconscious, there's not knowing what the hell's going on or caring.

00:56:15.400 And then there's the next day regret.

00:56:17.800 And part of the next day regret is, well, did I really give consent?

00:56:21.240 And then you can't remember.

00:56:23.100 Like we showed, I did a lot of research on alcohol.

00:56:25.380 We showed that if people drank enough to get their blood alcohol level up to legal intoxication.

00:56:31.200 So that was 0.08.

00:56:32.320 They showed about a 75% decrement in memory after three minutes.

00:56:36.100 Like you could tell them something, ask them three minutes later.

00:56:38.780 The people who were, and that's not very drunk.

00:56:41.740 It's called the Joe Biden effect.

00:56:42.700 Yeah, yeah, right, right, right.

00:56:44.220 Where are we?

00:56:44.840 So, so, you know, under what circumstances do you actually have consent?

00:56:51.040 Like real consent?

00:56:52.960 Well, I guess it depends on how seriously you take sex.

00:56:55.340 If you think that it's a game, then there's no issue.

00:56:59.040 But the problem with that theory is it's not a game.

00:57:02.180 So you're liable to get hooked in a vicious manner.

00:57:07.060 And I don't see any solution to that except for the traditional solutions and the kind

00:57:14.700 of stories you're telling, the fact that, you know, the workplaces have become these

00:57:18.400 toxic, toxic pits of surveillance.

00:57:23.540 I mean, where the hell are people supposed to meet each other if it's not at work?

00:57:26.300 It used to be about 80% or something, something like that.

00:57:29.620 Well, what are you, you're only going to meet the people that you meet.

00:57:32.700 Yeah.

00:57:33.200 And I don't work.

00:57:34.680 So to me, that was a place.

00:57:36.020 Right, right.

00:57:37.020 That was a very, first of all, I was there for two years.

00:57:40.620 I never flirted or asked anyone out.

00:57:42.780 So I waited two years to have the confidence.

00:57:46.200 That day, I'm going on Gutfeld, which is the number one comedy show.

00:57:50.280 Yeah.

00:57:50.520 Oh, that gave me a little confidence.

00:57:51.940 And then I had a comedy special on Fox Nation.

00:57:54.640 And it was the number one show on the platform.

00:57:58.960 It beat out Martin Scorsese's series.

00:58:01.360 So I walked in and that's the level of, you know, insanity.

00:58:04.760 And I still was nervous, you know, but I thought, Tyler, you're 38.

00:58:09.760 You're getting your life together.

00:58:10.980 I don't drink.

00:58:11.580 I don't smoke.

00:58:12.420 You know, I'm under six feet tall.

00:58:15.660 And I asked someone out for coffee.

00:58:19.280 Which is about as innocuous an approach as you can possibly manage.

00:58:22.500 Yeah, let's go meet in public during the day, avoid alcohol.

00:58:26.420 And this is going to be 30 minutes.

00:58:28.120 Yeah.

00:58:28.640 I think they should have put you in prison, frankly.

00:58:30.980 Well, well, it.

00:58:32.200 They didn't put you in a prison, actually.

00:58:33.740 I did for about two weeks.

00:58:35.720 I mean, I had a, I had a spiral.

00:58:38.260 No, for two months.

00:58:39.720 Yeah.

00:58:40.360 Just going, did they put out a company-wide alert?

00:58:44.400 There's a creep walking around asking women out for coffee, you know?

00:58:48.360 What if they don't like milk?

00:58:49.660 What if they have allergies?

00:58:50.540 Well, that's rape in this building.

00:58:52.800 And so I just couldn't believe it.

00:58:55.940 And when I put the story out, some press picked it up.

00:59:01.140 They, all off the record, said this sounds completely bogus and made up.

00:59:06.980 Yeah, but I would say also likely dreadfully common.

00:59:10.640 Yeah.

00:59:11.120 It's also the case that when those draconian policies get put into place,

00:59:15.260 people can weaponize them immediately.

00:59:17.120 And the worst people do that instantly.

00:59:19.540 The most jealous people, the most, the most, what?

00:59:22.800 The most sadistic people, the most manipulative people.

00:59:25.940 They grab onto those, like, inhuman rules and apply them for their own benefit.

00:59:32.160 What do you, you know, not to say we're going to find a solution in 10 seconds,

00:59:36.140 but how do you push back?

00:59:41.060 I mean, what I'm doing personally is saying, I'm not going to, you know, the next day I felt like a creep.

00:59:46.080 The only way you push back against anything ever is by telling the truth.

00:59:50.180 Yeah.

00:59:50.480 That's the only strategy.

00:59:51.920 Yeah.

00:59:52.120 There are no strategies.

00:59:53.340 This is something else that's very useful to realize.

00:59:56.260 In life, there are no strategies.

00:59:59.120 Or you could put it a different way.

01:00:00.620 You could say that the best medium to long-term strategy is the truth.

01:00:07.300 Yeah.

01:00:07.520 And so, when I'm in a complicated situation, which is quite common, I just say what I think, always.

01:00:15.260 Well, I did that based on your advice.

01:00:18.140 Yeah.

01:00:18.420 So, me going on Twitter and doing that was based, it was, what do I do?

01:00:22.960 Just tell the truth.

01:00:25.120 Yeah, yeah.

01:00:25.720 Well, this also means that you have to act in a manner that allows you to tell the truth about what you did, right?

01:00:31.560 Because, well, for obvious reasons, because otherwise you have to pretend you did something else.

01:00:36.460 So, that forces you to clean up your life so that you can actually represent it accurately.

01:00:41.600 What happened when you went public with the story, such as it was?

01:00:45.980 Well, it, millions of, you know, views on Twitter.

01:00:49.820 Right.

01:00:50.280 And then, you know, I don't think of myself as famous in any way, shape, or form.

01:00:54.860 The press picked it up, but I didn't even think that might happen.

01:00:58.500 Oh, yes.

01:00:58.940 I'm still in, I'm banned on Twitter.

01:01:01.620 I'm a naughty boy.

01:01:02.960 Right.

01:01:03.220 So, you know, I had no followers, you know, pretty much anywhere.

01:01:06.220 So, I, which is probably helpful because I don't overthink it.

01:01:09.960 I just said, put it out there.

01:01:12.420 And, you know, the press, they said somebody made an anonymous claim that they witnessed what happened.

01:01:20.900 And they said, yes, you grabbed her phone and forced, you forced your number in it.

01:01:25.300 And you demanded she, you know, confirm you had her phone number.

01:01:31.380 None of which happened.

01:01:33.000 And I take screenshots because this stuff happens.

01:01:36.800 But it was somebody watching that was so upset or jealous or perhaps far left who's working at Fox News, which there's a lot of them.

01:01:49.560 And, but I just said, I get no due process.

01:01:54.620 I can't even have a comment.

01:01:56.360 You had an old patriarchal thing.

01:01:57.980 You know, I worked there for free, by the way, you know, and I never complained about that.

01:02:02.740 But I, I busted my ass flying the middle of the night cross country to get to that show because I loved going on that show because you can say what you want.

01:02:11.900 And I, I love Greg and I love everybody there, but I just thought this is pretty alarming that they're all held hostage to this, you know.

01:02:20.420 Insanity.

01:02:21.060 Insanity.

01:02:21.820 Yeah.

01:02:22.220 And, and I took the hit.

01:02:23.680 I won't be back on there, but I took a big financial hit for that.

01:02:27.960 Probably quarter to a half of my income because that's how I sold tickets was through that show.

01:02:33.500 Right, right, right.

01:02:33.880 But I thought, what's more important than the truth?

01:02:36.840 Again, again, you know, I think practically speaking, it's, see, the truth is a weird strategy because, well, look, look at it this way.

01:02:47.760 Why do people lie?

01:02:49.440 They lie to gain an advantage they don't deserve or they lie to avoid a punishment they do deserve, generally.

01:02:56.700 Like, there's other reasons, but those are two big categories.

01:02:59.060 But the problem is, is that there's a difference between what happens to you in a year and what happens now.

01:03:07.280 And so, if you lie, well, you might avoid what's coming to you, but then you don't learn and you might gain something you don't deserve, but word gets around.

01:03:16.200 And so, it could easily be that you'll find out that if you can be patient enough, and that's part of the, that's part of what constitutes faith in the truth.

01:03:25.700 Right, right, if you're patient enough, it will turn around.

01:03:30.640 Right, now, the journey to turning around might not be fun.

01:03:35.380 I've watched you go through it.

01:03:36.380 I've watched you go through it many times.

01:03:38.220 Yeah.

01:03:38.660 Yeah, right, it's happened many times.

01:03:40.360 Many times.

01:03:41.020 But a heroic act for you to do it because you gave the model.

01:03:45.640 It's an act of terror.

01:03:47.080 Yeah.

01:03:47.500 Actually, because I understand.

01:03:49.080 Sure.

01:03:49.500 I actually understand what happens if you get tangled up in lies.

01:03:52.640 Yeah.

01:03:52.800 It's not, well, you said in your household, nobody could tell each other the truth.

01:03:58.080 Well, that's a totalitarian state.

01:04:00.080 Like, that's hell.

01:04:01.520 Yeah.

01:04:01.860 Oh, yeah, you don't want that.

01:04:03.220 That's not good.

01:04:04.200 That's not good.

01:04:05.600 There's nothing worse than that.

01:04:07.040 You can't even exist in a situation like that.

01:04:09.700 You had a client once, I remember you said, and you said, I don't think anyone had ever told this person the truth in their life.

01:04:15.740 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:04:16.500 That was quite common.

01:04:17.880 Or allowed them to.

01:04:19.700 Allow them to.

01:04:20.240 Yeah, or listened.

01:04:21.160 And, yeah, that's very common.

01:04:23.620 It's very common.

01:04:25.560 Yeah, steeped in sin.

01:04:26.960 That's the theory, right?

01:04:28.120 Is that's when your whole environment is dominated by lies.

01:04:32.640 It's brutal.

01:04:33.660 And the only way out of that is to stop participating.

01:04:36.160 That's it.

01:04:36.880 I've removed myself from many places.

01:04:39.700 I rarely go to comedy clubs anymore.

01:04:42.000 I've, it's, there's too much risk of gossip and lies and, you know, backstabbing and that type of thing.

01:04:51.180 It's my own personal healthy need, you know, and drinking and drugs and you can go on and on and on.

01:04:57.460 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:04:58.100 But, but, but, um...

01:04:59.560 Nighttime businesses are a risk for that.

01:05:02.340 Sacrifice.

01:05:02.500 It was a sacrifice.

01:05:03.760 You have to...

01:05:04.760 So tell me about the tour and how that's going and what size audiences you're playing and how often you're, you're, you're laying out your comedic routines.

01:05:13.520 Well, it started with, you know, backyards and veteran halls and then it moved to, um, one woman seeing me in Nashville go on, I think, after Theo Vaughn and she said...

01:05:26.860 That's hard to do.

01:05:27.760 Theo's pretty damn funny.

01:05:28.960 Before or after him.

01:05:30.320 Yeah.

01:05:30.840 Um, and, uh, and she just said, what, who the hell are you and why don't you have an agent?

01:05:36.100 And she got me an agent.

01:05:36.900 Oh, yeah.

01:05:37.760 And we booked...

01:05:38.280 When was that?

01:05:39.060 This was two, two and a half years ago.

01:05:41.780 Yeah.

01:05:41.940 Yep.

01:05:43.020 And then we did one-nighters all around the country.

01:05:45.460 You got to go prove yourself.

01:05:46.480 You go to a comedy club on a Tuesday night and they say, all right, how many people can you bring on a Tuesday night?

01:05:50.800 You're right.

01:05:51.180 And it turns out my fans are pretty hardcore and a lot of them lost their livelihoods from COVID.

01:05:56.920 Oh, yeah.

01:05:57.340 So they were available to come on a Tuesday night.

01:05:59.360 Ha!

01:05:59.880 You see?

01:06:00.420 Yeah.

01:06:00.660 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:06:01.320 And I started packing these places out and then we'd have to add a second show.

01:06:05.240 And, uh, I'd nearly killed myself because it was, you know, it was how can you turn this down?

01:06:10.100 But...

01:06:10.480 Yeah.

01:06:10.800 But I learned how to do it.

01:06:14.140 And now I'm on year two.

01:06:17.500 But it went from one-nighters to the entire weekend, which also giving, you know, or losing, I'd say, my acting career to an extent.

01:06:27.320 This has replaced it.

01:06:28.940 This is...

01:06:29.540 I'm all in.

01:06:31.380 And...

01:06:32.300 So what does it mean to be all in?

01:06:34.660 Well, it's giving up alcohol.

01:06:38.200 Yeah.

01:06:38.520 It's giving up toxic people at all costs.

01:06:43.580 Any negativity.

01:06:45.580 Because you have to show up, as you know, when you're on stage.

01:06:48.400 Yeah.

01:06:48.660 You have to give them yourself.

01:06:50.240 And I...

01:06:50.940 And you have to be there.

01:06:52.220 Yeah.

01:06:52.920 Yeah, yeah.

01:06:53.420 And you want them to, you know, this is a miracle.

01:06:56.740 Well, we're very careful with the people we travel with.

01:06:59.240 I have logistics guys, security guys.

01:07:01.740 I have a great tour manager, John O'Connell.

01:07:05.140 He used to be a comedian.

01:07:06.320 John never causes any trouble.

01:07:09.540 Always in good humor.

01:07:11.320 Entirely not neurotic.

01:07:12.920 Plus, he used to be a comedian.

01:07:14.020 So he's damn funny.

01:07:15.180 If there's any problem that comes up, he solves it.

01:07:18.620 Fantastic.

01:07:19.180 And my logistics guys, my security guys, they're all awake.

01:07:23.460 And they treat the public very well, which is also seriously important.

01:07:30.280 Right?

01:07:30.560 So, yeah, yeah.

01:07:31.780 And then you get to the stage on time.

01:07:34.200 And away you go.

01:07:35.140 And I spent the...

01:07:36.500 I took a lot...

01:07:37.100 Not a loss.

01:07:37.780 I probably broke even the first year.

01:07:39.300 I made a decision.

01:07:40.700 You know, I'm not...

01:07:42.360 I'm going to do this right.

01:07:43.480 And I'm going to, you know, maybe get the better flight, the better hotel, the better meal.

01:07:49.100 I travel with my dog.

01:07:51.000 And so I decided if I think I'm going to really make it and suddenly have money and be able to turn that on,

01:07:59.160 I don't think a lot of people can do it.

01:08:01.480 I think they're stuck in that depravity mindset from the early days.

01:08:05.360 And I saw a lot of comedians that are very famous and they're miserable.

01:08:09.380 And they don't take care of themselves on tour.

01:08:11.800 And they worry about the price of the cheeseburger.

01:08:14.380 And I said, Tyler, we're not doing it.

01:08:16.480 We're not doing that.

01:08:17.320 So I spent all of my money to do it comfortably.

01:08:21.200 Well, you're kind of...

01:08:22.120 You're living on the road.

01:08:23.680 Yeah.

01:08:24.000 Right?

01:08:24.260 And then if you're playing the long-term game, you want to think, okay, my wife and I sat down and talked about this a lot.

01:08:33.280 It's like, all right, we have an opportunity here.

01:08:35.500 It's an unparalleled opportunity, a more or less continuous book tour.

01:08:39.660 I heard you're tough to share a room with.

01:08:41.520 She had to...

01:08:41.940 Yeah, well, we realized that we were living on the road.

01:08:45.480 Yeah.

01:08:45.680 And that was two close quarters, you know?

01:08:48.360 And so that actually worked out extremely well.

01:08:52.160 And the reason it worked out well, there was the sacrifice, of course, that went along with it.

01:08:56.200 But the tour is much more sustainable.

01:09:00.840 And that's what you have to think.

01:09:03.220 Like, what's getting in the way?

01:09:05.600 What is going to make us say no instead of yes?

01:09:08.200 And then you have to be honest about that because you think, well, that little thing wouldn't make you say no.

01:09:12.880 It's like, you don't have to have many obstacles littering your path before you start taking something for granted and stop doing it.

01:09:20.040 Really?

01:09:20.760 And so you want to be thinking for the long haul.

01:09:22.960 And I don't know, like, how long do you think you, if you could, how long would you tour?

01:09:28.600 I really want to get back to acting.

01:09:30.780 Yeah.

01:09:31.000 Because I let that whole woke thing take me down for a while.

01:09:35.900 Has the industry turned around enough so that, like, people of your shade have a...

01:09:41.580 Oh, every, some of the biggest agents and managers, not only calling me, but breaking into my green room at shows.

01:09:50.940 And I told them all...

01:09:51.840 You have them hustled out?

01:09:52.680 To go fuck themselves because I don't trust them and it did too much damage.

01:10:01.380 It did too much damage.

01:10:02.860 And so for now, I can't be around it in any capacity until I have the means to produce my own, write, direct, and produce my own films.

01:10:12.880 So I'm going to tour and save up and hopefully find out.

01:10:17.080 So I have a question about that.

01:10:18.360 That'd be a psychological question, I suppose.

01:10:20.920 You know what they said too?

01:10:21.880 They said, Tyler, we think white people are going to be accepted again soon.

01:10:26.000 Yeah.

01:10:26.220 I said, do you hear yourself?

01:10:27.360 That's your pitch?

01:10:29.020 Do you know my story?

01:10:30.200 Yeah, that's rough, man.

01:10:30.320 That's your pitch?

01:10:31.620 Shane Gillis is doing well.

01:10:33.540 And I go, yeah, he is.

01:10:35.320 He's brilliant.

01:10:36.040 And he went through hell.

01:10:37.200 And you're citing one white guy on Netflix?

01:10:39.980 I said, fuck off.

01:10:42.720 And so I still have a lot of anger about it, obviously.

01:10:46.460 But...

01:10:47.060 Is that worth revisiting?

01:10:48.880 I mean, look, I don't want to mess around with your life.

01:10:51.420 And I have no right or desire to do so because it's your life, you know.

01:10:59.220 But...

01:10:59.700 I'll tour with you.

01:11:00.640 Sure, I'll do it.

01:11:00.940 You have a reason to be annoyed.

01:11:02.200 But I wonder if...

01:11:04.860 Are there opportunities that you're forgoing because you're angry?

01:11:09.940 You know, and do you need that?

01:11:11.960 Like, people make mistakes.

01:11:13.340 They make a lot of stupid mistakes.

01:11:14.640 And the people that you're talking about made a lot of stupid mistakes.

01:11:17.380 But that was everywhere.

01:11:19.080 It was a real social contagion, you know.

01:11:21.560 And I guess maybe I'm wondering if you made your point.

01:11:24.720 And whether you're hurting yourself in consequence of...

01:11:28.180 You know, I know you stuck to your guns.

01:11:29.620 And I'm sure that was bloody difficult.

01:11:31.320 Yeah.

01:11:31.820 But...

01:11:32.460 Have you made your point?

01:11:36.180 I think I have to win this lawsuit before I move forward.

01:11:39.680 Ah, I see.

01:11:40.640 It's exhausting.

01:11:41.980 It's still...

01:11:42.900 It's still...

01:11:44.420 Though it's moving slow, it's still...

01:11:47.220 I have some advice about lawsuits.

01:11:48.980 Sure, I would love to.

01:11:49.940 Yeah, fine.

01:11:50.320 Put aside 5% of your time every week to think about the lawsuit and never think about it

01:11:54.900 other than that.

01:11:55.620 Good, yeah.

01:11:56.300 So put aside some time.

01:11:57.500 Yeah.

01:11:58.240 Because it's gonna...

01:11:59.700 Who knows how long it'll go.

01:12:00.940 Yeah.

01:12:01.060 It could go for 10 more years.

01:12:02.360 Like, it could go a long time.

01:12:03.500 Absolutely.

01:12:03.680 So you have to segregate it, isolate it, and not let it bleed over into the rest of your

01:12:09.900 life.

01:12:09.940 I'm getting better at that, for sure.

01:12:11.640 For sure.

01:12:12.300 Well, putting away that time to think about it, then you know when the thoughts come to

01:12:17.040 mind, you think, no, I'm gonna think about that Tuesday at 10.30 for 20 minutes or for

01:12:22.120 an hour, whatever it takes.

01:12:23.360 But it's better to have that sequestered to manage it.

01:12:26.620 Great idea.

01:12:27.280 Yeah, yeah.

01:12:27.680 It helps a lot.

01:12:29.140 Yeah.

01:12:29.720 I think it's become just...

01:12:31.980 I've accepted it, that this is a part of my journey.

01:12:35.500 It was embarrassing for a while.

01:12:38.240 It's quite embarrassing to...

01:12:39.620 Yeah, well, lawsuit's no joke.

01:12:40.940 It's kind of like a chronic illness.

01:12:43.140 Yeah.

01:12:43.660 And to be turned away for your skin color.

01:12:47.800 And it's not that I wasn't...

01:12:49.500 That's the progressive thing to do.

01:12:51.480 Yeah, yeah.

01:12:51.980 It was humiliating, confusing, all that.

01:12:55.180 Yeah, no kidding.

01:12:56.480 But I know it's wrong.

01:12:58.780 And so I know it's worth fighting.

01:13:01.100 And I think when I put that to rest, I can start producing my own films.

01:13:08.100 But no, I won't work with anybody, any big studios or any of that.

01:13:13.080 I just couldn't trust them.

01:13:15.020 I mean, I had a TV show that I sold as a...

01:13:18.100 I got a development deal.

01:13:20.100 And it was me and another guy.

01:13:22.120 And they said, it's two white guys.

01:13:23.900 They said, bring us a stack of non-white people to hire on the show.

01:13:29.200 So we had to get this...

01:13:30.300 I still...

01:13:30.780 I saved it.

01:13:31.620 And it's just a list of people who aren't white, that not necessarily talented or fit for this specific TV show.

01:13:38.260 But it's too much to re-enter right now.

01:13:45.700 Yeah, okay.

01:13:46.160 And I can go on...

01:13:47.640 Well, you've thought it through, obviously.

01:13:49.020 Yeah.

01:13:49.340 And I can go on stage and really, you know...

01:13:51.380 There's a lot of people out there, they're desperate for healing.

01:13:55.000 You know, I just left Toronto and I said, have you guys recovered from this?

01:13:59.420 And the...

01:14:00.060 Toronto was really bad during COVID.

01:14:01.540 People are suffering still.

01:14:03.040 Oh, my God.

01:14:03.600 Oh, yeah.

01:14:04.360 It was...

01:14:05.000 I don't think...

01:14:05.900 I probably went to, I don't know, 150 cities around the COVID period.

01:14:12.120 I think Toronto was the worst.

01:14:15.140 What do you mean?

01:14:15.860 Oh, how they...

01:14:17.000 In terms of lockdown and intensity of oppression and self-righteousness, that whole combination.

01:14:24.180 It was pretty brutal.

01:14:25.260 And I don't think the city has recovered from it.

01:14:27.760 No.

01:14:28.100 So, what do you think...

01:14:30.100 How do you think people can be guided to recover from that?

01:14:34.120 Because we're not going to get an apology from the government.

01:14:37.320 Trudeau's not going to come out in a headdress and blackface and say, I'm sorry.

01:14:41.740 You know, is it just...

01:14:43.620 Yes, well, he's departed for parts unknown, thank God.

01:14:47.280 Yes.

01:14:47.760 He's transitioned.

01:14:48.080 Taking all his shame with him.

01:14:50.400 Unfortunately, leaving another liberal in charge of the country.

01:14:53.500 So, Canadians are going to pay for that, in my estimation.

01:14:56.880 Sure.

01:14:58.100 Is it just...

01:14:59.160 I don't know.

01:14:59.740 Probably, as a consequence of people like you doing what you're doing with the lawsuit,

01:15:04.680 you know, is by trying to set things right again and by not putting up with that kind

01:15:09.760 of nonsense anymore, to root it out.

01:15:14.140 That's going to be a lot of work.

01:15:15.720 There's a lot of nonsense.

01:15:17.080 There's all the net zero nonsense.

01:15:18.940 All that climate apocalypse catastrophe.

01:15:21.500 All the notions that there are too many people on the planet.

01:15:24.960 All that anti-family nonsense.

01:15:27.220 All this idiocy between men and women that have divided them politically in such a catastrophic

01:15:32.600 way.

01:15:33.460 All this racial tension that was generated out of nothing by ideologues starting in about

01:15:38.940 2010.

01:15:39.580 You know, Toronto had become race blind.

01:15:44.500 When I raised my kids in Toronto, no one cared.

01:15:47.900 Literally, no one cared.

01:15:49.660 That's how it was.

01:15:50.420 And that meant the bloody moralizing progressives had nothing to do.

01:15:54.220 Yeah.

01:15:54.520 And so, yeah, problem solved.

01:15:56.840 Well, we need a problem because we don't have anything else to do except complain and whine

01:16:01.780 and protest.

01:16:03.120 Better manufacture one.

01:16:05.760 Sickening.

01:16:06.720 So, there's a lot that needs to be straightened out still.

01:16:10.460 Yeah.

01:16:11.260 Well, you do that by telling the truth.

01:16:13.680 Yeah.

01:16:14.260 And you know, if you tell the truth in a witty manner, you get to be a comedian.

01:16:19.180 Sure.

01:16:19.560 And people think you're funny.

01:16:20.760 And if I do it in your voice, I get the serious money.

01:16:25.680 How many impressions can you do?

01:16:27.480 I probably do upwards of 50, but there's some that I don't even know I can do until, you

01:16:35.060 know, until I do them.

01:16:36.520 You know, I have a joke about women's voices these days, you know, like the vocal fry.

01:16:44.960 You know, and I just said, why does every, and by the way, I love RFK Jr., but I said,

01:16:48.900 why does every woman under 30 sound like RFK Jr.?

01:16:51.880 And then I started doing this whole thing about, you know, this is how women sound in

01:16:56.500 bed.

01:16:57.040 You know, I want you to joke me, right?

01:16:59.540 Call me a bitch.

01:17:00.800 And I do that on, that just came out.

01:17:03.140 Wow.

01:17:03.520 Yeah, that's pretty good.

01:17:04.300 Yeah.

01:17:04.640 Yeah.

01:17:04.940 And all my fans love RFK.

01:17:07.280 Yeah.

01:17:07.560 And I think he's a fan of mine.

01:17:09.060 Yeah.

01:17:09.220 That was an interesting one.

01:17:11.320 Rogan shut it down on his podcast.

01:17:13.080 He's like, don't, don't do, so, you know, I didn't want to piss him off.

01:17:17.300 But it's interesting because some people say-

01:17:19.880 RFK has a sense of humor.

01:17:20.960 Exactly.

01:17:21.540 And they say, that's offensive.

01:17:22.560 And I say, well, no, I'm just doing his voice.

01:17:25.620 But that's become one of my most fun jokes to do.

01:17:31.040 But the voice is just, I think it was a part of the mom crying and the mirroring.

01:17:38.060 It was my ability to mirror people because I thought-

01:17:41.300 You know, that capacity to modulate your voice like that, I mean, that's really a remarkable

01:17:46.280 talent.

01:17:46.880 I really enjoyed watching Rich Little, for example.

01:17:50.160 There was a number of, there was a French Canadian who was an unbelievably good mimic

01:17:54.660 too.

01:17:54.980 I can't remember his name.

01:17:56.320 It was very famous for a while.

01:17:57.840 Jim Carrey's fantastic.

01:17:59.220 Yeah, Carrey's good at it.

01:18:00.140 Yeah.

01:18:00.400 Nobody can do-

01:18:01.000 Russell Brand's pretty good at it.

01:18:02.460 He's good.

01:18:03.060 Yeah.

01:18:03.340 It's some, that's that ability to, you're particularly good at it with the voice.

01:18:08.240 You know, some of the impressionists, they also, I don't know, maybe you can do that

01:18:12.080 too.

01:18:12.420 They get the gestures down.

01:18:13.860 And while you do that with me to some degree.

01:18:15.300 Sure, yeah.

01:18:16.000 So, but it's like being inhabited by the spirit of someone else.

01:18:18.920 It's real talent, that shape-shifting ability.

01:18:21.400 It's a lot of fun.

01:18:22.700 And part of what I think when I started was I was actually so afraid to say what I wanted

01:18:28.220 on stage.

01:18:29.020 I would use you.

01:18:31.080 I would use Trump.

01:18:33.020 And then the crowd couldn't get mad because like, well, the bloody feminists, these bitches,

01:18:36.980 you know, they'd go, oh, that's Jordan Peterson saying it.

01:18:39.420 Right, right.

01:18:39.920 And I thought, oh, I get away scot-free.

01:18:43.260 Yeah.

01:18:44.060 Yeah.

01:18:44.500 Well, I mean, part of acting is the opportunity to inhabit all sorts of different fictional

01:18:50.420 realities and experiment with them.

01:18:52.580 I mean, that's why people go to movies to see that.

01:18:55.200 Yeah.

01:18:55.740 So it's a perfectly reasonable thing for an actor to do.

01:18:58.420 It's nice to know what your own voice is, though.

01:19:00.460 That's for sure.

01:19:01.280 Yeah, that's, yeah.

01:19:02.260 I'm trying to do that a little bit more.

01:19:04.360 So I'm going to come and see you Friday or Sunday.

01:19:06.780 Fantastic.

01:19:07.060 You're in Phoenix.

01:19:08.140 Tell me where your next venues are and how people can find your tickets.

01:19:11.920 I'll be in Baltimore.

01:19:13.420 I think by the time this comes out, I'll be doing a full weekend in Baltimore.

01:19:17.680 And then I have June off and then I start up.

01:19:19.880 Everybody's vacation favorite.

01:19:21.260 Yeah.

01:19:21.520 And then I start back up.

01:19:22.640 I have a hundred shows the rest of the year.

01:19:25.220 Oh, a hundred shows.

01:19:26.020 Yeah.

01:19:26.400 All over the country.

01:19:27.520 And then hopefully I'll do Europe next year.

01:19:29.880 When?

01:19:30.500 In 2026.

01:19:31.700 Do you know when in 2026?

01:19:33.360 We're kind of working on that right now.

01:19:34.580 I see because I'm in Europe between January and March in 2026.

01:19:38.400 I'll see.

01:19:38.740 Maybe we can, maybe we can.

01:19:39.820 That would be fun.

01:19:40.560 That would be fun.

01:19:41.400 Yeah.

01:19:41.740 Yeah.

01:19:42.280 Yeah.

01:19:42.740 That's a dream.

01:19:43.500 I start doing your voice and you come out and just push me off.

01:19:46.320 Yeah.

01:19:46.460 Well, maybe we can do that in Phoenix.

01:19:48.160 Oh, that'd be great.

01:19:48.840 That might be fun.

01:19:49.520 Oh, yes.

01:19:50.080 I wasn't even going to ask.

01:19:51.340 Yeah.

01:19:51.540 Yeah.

01:19:51.860 Yeah.

01:19:52.080 Well, we'll see what, we'll see what comes up spontaneously.

01:19:54.780 Okay.

01:19:55.080 That would be good.

01:19:55.720 Well, it's a pleasure talking to you.

01:19:57.300 Absolute pleasure.

01:19:57.780 Yeah.

01:19:58.140 Well, and congratulations.

01:19:58.920 I'm glad I didn't have quite enough time to process coming on this because I'm not sure

01:20:03.120 I would have handled it well.

01:20:04.560 Well, you handled it 100% as far as I'm concerned.

01:20:07.460 I'm looking forward to seeing your show.

01:20:09.100 It was very interesting to hear your story.

01:20:11.240 Congratulations on your persistence and your persistent success.

01:20:17.620 I mean, you've taken quite the snake-like path on the entertainment side and a lot of

01:20:22.840 obstacles, but the fact that you raised your career again from the ashes on the comedy

01:20:28.140 circuit, that's, and I really liked the emphasis in your story about the fact that, you know,

01:20:35.160 you kind of played anywhere and you have to do that.

01:20:38.080 You have to do the work.

01:20:39.280 Yeah.

01:20:39.860 And you take the opportunities where they're given to you and then maybe they'll grow.

01:20:46.080 If you do them seriously, if you take them with some gratitude, then they'll grow and

01:20:49.860 now you've got a real fan base, you know?

01:20:52.040 So that's a ground up word of mouth fan base.

01:20:56.540 That's a good deal.

01:20:57.900 I owe them.

01:20:58.600 Yeah.

01:20:58.940 I like showing up no matter how rough the circumstances.

01:21:03.540 I had a stomach virus on my birthday and showed up in Orlando.

01:21:07.460 I didn't tell them, but I said, you're going to go up on that damn stage.

01:21:11.780 No matter what.

01:21:13.100 Yeah.

01:21:13.300 I've been in bed many times, half an hour before a lecture, an hour before a lecture

01:21:18.800 thinking, Jesus, I can't even get out of bed and I'm supposed to be in front of 3,000

01:21:24.280 people in an hour.

01:21:25.880 There's no way that's going to happen.

01:21:28.180 And change their lives, hopefully.

01:21:30.460 But it happens.

01:21:31.400 Good for you.

01:21:32.340 Yeah.

01:21:32.720 Yeah.

01:21:33.020 Well, and thank God for that opportunity, you know, because it's really good to have

01:21:37.540 something to get the hell out of bed for when you're not feeling that great.

01:21:41.640 So, and that's some real utility and purpose.

01:21:44.200 That's for sure.

01:21:45.500 Yeah.

01:21:45.900 Good talking to you, man.

01:21:47.160 Oh, absolute pleasure.

01:21:47.300 I'm looking forward to the show.

01:21:50.040 And...

01:21:50.360 Well, thank you.

01:21:51.140 Yeah.

01:21:51.400 You bet.

01:21:51.840 You bet.

01:21:52.340 And everybody watching and listening on YouTube and the other platforms, Spotify, et cetera,

01:21:58.440 Apple, thank you very much for your time and attention.

01:22:03.040 Great to talk to Tyler Fisher today.

01:22:05.680 And...

01:22:06.080 Make your bed.

01:22:07.300 Yeah.

01:22:07.720 Exactly.

01:22:08.060 It really started there.

01:22:09.200 Yeah.

01:22:09.580 Well, little things aren't...

01:22:11.300 Little things you do every day, that's your life.

01:22:15.180 Right.

01:22:16.220 People don't understand that.

01:22:17.940 They're waiting for something special.

01:22:20.060 It's like, no, your life is what you do every day.

01:22:23.220 So get it right.

01:22:24.900 Yeah.

01:22:25.420 Thank you very much for your time and attention.

01:22:27.060 Thank you to The Daily Wire for making this possible and the film crew here in Scottsdale

01:22:30.820 today.

01:22:31.520 Much appreciated.

01:22:32.560 We're going to continue this for half an hour on The Daily Wire side.

01:22:36.160 And so if those of you who are interested in continuing and who would like to throw some

01:22:41.200 support The Daily Wire away, join us and we'll delve a little bit more into Tyler's background

01:22:46.240 and his career and the state of comedy for that matter.

01:22:57.060 Thank you.

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The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast - May 26, 2025

550. Broken, Blacklisted, and Saved by Comedy ｜ Tyler Fischer

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