The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

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00:00:27.260 I'm going to try something somewhat new today.

00:00:30.740 I'm going to read you the Grimm's Brothers version of Snow White.

00:00:38.900 I picked that because I think I have some interesting insights into its meaning.

00:00:46.560 But I also chose it because it's been the target of ideologically oriented rewriting,

00:00:54.540 most famously recently, in the case of Disney, who produced what's essentially a very poor movie

00:01:03.240 that was also a commercial flop, by carelessly restructuring a story that either the makers of the film

00:01:16.320 didn't understand or understood all too well and decided to mess with for underground reasons of their own.

00:01:27.880 I suspect a little of column A and a little of column B.

00:01:33.080 I'm going to concentrate a fair bit on the figure of the evil queen,

00:01:37.120 not least because there's no shortage of evil queen manifestation in the current social and political environment.

00:01:46.000 And I'm going to draw on a body of research that has been conducted primarily by primatologists,

00:01:59.140 scientists who study non-human primates, given that human beings are primates as well.

00:02:04.900 Well, the field of inquiry is called fertility suppression.

00:02:11.680 And it is the marked tendency of higher status female primates to suppress the probability

00:02:24.640 that subordinates in their group will successfully mate and bring offspring into the world.

00:02:34.900 I think that the evil queen, in no small part, is a reflection of observations of fertility suppression.

00:02:46.120 People started studying fertility suppression in primates

00:02:50.340 because of the observation that in many primate species,

00:02:56.080 dominant females exhibit higher reproductive success compared to their subordinate counterparts.

00:03:04.900 So, one thing you have to understand about social animals,

00:03:10.180 and this is particularly true of primates because they're hypersocial,

00:03:15.420 social animals live in a tiered society,

00:03:19.720 and there are marked differences in the life and success of those who are uppermost in the social hierarchy

00:03:28.620 compared to those who are barely clinging to the bottom, let's say.

00:03:34.940 And scientists who are interested in the differential reproductive success of high-status females

00:03:41.240 compared to low-status females

00:03:43.180 started to investigate the possibility that the higher-status or dominant females

00:03:48.960 were actively engaging in strategies that undermined the ability of the subordinates

00:03:55.500 to find a mate and to reproduce.

00:03:58.840 Why would they do that?

00:04:00.440 Well, perhaps they do that psychologically speaking, you might say,

00:04:04.520 just for the sheer sadistic fun of it,

00:04:07.140 but from a broader evolutionary perspective,

00:04:11.280 the purpose is to maximize the probability of their own reproductive success,

00:04:17.020 their own success of finding a mate,

00:04:18.420 and also leaving their genes to propagate into the succeeding generations.

00:04:25.800 How would they do that?

00:04:27.120 The mechanism of fundamental interest for our purposes,

00:04:33.760 given its psychological significance,

00:04:35.800 is that social stress, often imposed by dominant individuals,

00:04:41.280 can elevate stress hormones, cortisol, for example, in subordinates,

00:04:45.820 disrupting their hormonal cycles and leading to delayed ovulation or reduced fertility.

00:04:51.120 Secondly, females use reputation-savaging and exclusion,

00:04:56.720 gossip, innuendo, and, well, and as I said, social isolation,

00:05:03.080 and those are all ways of lowering comparative status.

00:05:07.660 That's what gossip will do, for example, in reputation-savaging,

00:05:11.060 whereas exclusion is more directly and intensely stressful.

00:05:16.380 So, here's some examples from non-human primates

00:05:20.380 with regard to mechanisms of fertility suppression.

00:05:24.720 For example, in baboons, a particularly aggressive and vicious species,

00:05:29.400 dominant females may physically intimidate subordinates

00:05:32.200 to maintain their reproductive advantage.

00:05:35.140 In species such as marmosets,

00:05:37.420 dominant females actually emit pheromones

00:05:40.680 that directly inhibit ovarian activity,

00:05:43.700 in subordinate females, preventing them from cycling or conceiving.

00:05:48.740 By monopolizing food, mates, or safe nesting sites,

00:05:52.680 dominant females limit subordinates' ability

00:05:55.120 to sustain pregnancies or raise offspring,

00:05:58.740 as seen in some tamarind groups.

00:06:02.200 The suppression is often temporary and context-dependent,

00:06:05.980 lifting if the subordinate's status improves or she leaves the group.

00:06:10.240 The goal is clear, to prioritize the dominant female's offspring

00:06:14.540 by reducing competition for resources and care.

00:06:18.560 Okay, here's some potential examples among human beings.

00:06:23.660 In certain human societies, dominant females,

00:06:26.720 often older women or those with higher social status,

00:06:29.640 exert influence over the reproductive choice of subordinates.

00:06:33.080 Examples include control over marriage.

00:06:36.160 In some cultures, older women, e.g. mothers-in-law,

00:06:39.500 dictate when and whom younger women marry,

00:06:42.580 delaying or restricting their reproductive opportunities.

00:06:46.420 Dominant women may enforce norms

00:06:48.800 that discourage subordinate females

00:06:51.520 from reproducing at certain times,

00:06:53.700 such as stigmatizing early pregnancies

00:06:56.620 or pressuring women to prioritize education

00:06:59.980 or work over family.

00:07:02.740 This social exclusion parallels the stress-induced suppression

00:07:06.120 seen in primates, though it's mediated by culture

00:07:09.480 rather than biology.

00:07:12.620 In modern contexts, dominant females in positions of power,

00:07:16.980 such as corporate leaders or senior academics,

00:07:19.820 may create environments that indirectly suppress

00:07:22.660 the fertility of subordinate women.

00:07:24.800 So here's a thought.

00:07:26.000 You know, one of the things I've wondered about for years,

00:07:28.300 how the radical, progressive, elite feminists

00:07:33.740 can simultaneously criticize capitalism

00:07:37.640 yet insist that there's no higher priority for young women

00:07:44.120 than to organize their lives around a career.

00:07:47.880 Well, if you want an explanation,

00:07:50.600 fertility suppression by elites

00:07:53.440 with regard to subordinate women

00:07:56.040 foolish enough to listen to such advice

00:07:58.660 certainly constitutes an explanatory hypothesis,

00:08:03.740 and it's a brutal one.

00:08:05.420 Now, with that background firmly in mind,

00:08:08.440 I'm going to read you the original version of Snow White.

00:08:11.780 So, a little background on the brothers Grimm.

00:08:16.520 Jacob and Wilhelm, they lived,

00:08:19.220 Jacob lived from 1785 to 1863

00:08:22.080 and Wilhelm from 1786 to 1859.

00:08:25.580 They were German scholars and linguists

00:08:28.080 renowned for their collection of fairy tales.

00:08:31.000 Their most famous work,

00:08:32.540 Children's and Household Tales,

00:08:34.280 was first published in 1812,

00:08:36.400 and it included stories that everyone knows,

00:08:39.100 such as Cinderella, Snow White,

00:08:41.180 and Hansel and Gretel.

00:08:42.740 The collection was not a one-time effort.

00:08:46.340 The brothers revised and expanded it over the years,

00:08:49.320 cementing its place as a cultural treasure.

00:08:53.120 They aimed to safeguard German folklore

00:08:55.540 amid a growing interest in national identity.

00:08:58.740 At a time when Germany was a collection of disparate states,

00:09:01.680 the brothers believed that traditional stories

00:09:03.560 reflected the spirit of the German people

00:09:05.940 and preserved their ancient wisdom.

00:09:08.440 As scholars, they saw fairy tales as a lens

00:09:11.340 to explore the evolution of language and narrative,

00:09:14.280 contributing to their broader academic interests

00:09:16.560 in philology.

00:09:18.300 They gathered stories from diverse sources,

00:09:21.120 including oral tales told by local storytellers,

00:09:24.840 often women,

00:09:25.960 and existing written folklore.

00:09:28.520 Rather than simply recording the tales verbatim,

00:09:31.100 they edited and adapted them

00:09:32.760 to suit their literary style

00:09:34.320 and to appeal to a wider audience,

00:09:36.340 including children.

00:09:38.000 Okay, so,

00:09:39.640 a few comments about

00:09:40.840 the Brothers Grimm.

00:09:43.180 It's been a contention of mine for some decades,

00:09:46.220 and a cornerstone of my work,

00:09:48.780 that

00:09:49.220 we,

00:09:51.480 that our consciousness

00:09:53.000 is structured in the same manner as a story.

00:09:56.420 In fact,

00:09:56.960 I think you can make a very strong case,

00:09:59.420 I believe an incontrovertible case,

00:10:01.060 that what a story is,

00:10:03.380 is a verbal description

00:10:04.800 of the framing of conscious experience.

00:10:07.900 Now,

00:10:08.580 what that implies

00:10:10.220 at a very deep level

00:10:11.340 is that

00:10:11.860 for

00:10:12.680 diverse individuals

00:10:15.340 to

00:10:16.480 organize themselves

00:10:18.280 into a culture,

00:10:19.600 they have to develop

00:10:20.920 a mechanism

00:10:21.720 such that their consciousness

00:10:24.340 is framed in a similar manner

00:10:26.320 so that they

00:10:27.160 pursue similar goals,

00:10:28.800 they have similar values,

00:10:29.960 and they experience

00:10:31.060 similar emotions.

00:10:33.160 The

00:10:33.520 only way to do that,

00:10:35.360 as far as I can tell,

00:10:36.680 is to

00:10:37.320 provide a

00:10:39.320 foundation of

00:10:40.340 shared narrative.

00:10:42.100 And so,

00:10:42.480 the Grimm brothers

00:10:43.720 were

00:10:44.560 particularly

00:10:46.960 perspicacious

00:10:48.640 in their

00:10:49.720 insistence that

00:10:51.340 shared narratives

00:10:53.280 define a culture.

00:10:55.720 A culture

00:10:56.220 is a group

00:10:57.320 of people

00:10:57.860 who

00:10:58.540 not only know

00:11:00.060 but inhabit

00:11:00.740 the same stories.

00:11:02.220 Now,

00:11:02.420 it turns out that

00:11:03.420 much of the

00:11:05.820 Brothers Grimm

00:11:07.460 work

00:11:08.720 has provided

00:11:10.360 a foundation

00:11:11.080 for

00:11:11.580 some of the

00:11:13.260 unity of our culture

00:11:14.300 such as

00:11:14.960 it is.

00:11:17.180 Now,

00:11:17.620 what would you expect

00:11:18.880 folklore

00:11:20.960 passed down

00:11:22.540 from generation

00:11:24.020 to generation,

00:11:25.060 often

00:11:25.420 for

00:11:26.400 periods of time

00:11:27.580 that can

00:11:28.200 exceed

00:11:29.180 10,000 years?

00:11:31.300 What would you expect

00:11:32.240 such stories

00:11:32.840 to concentrate on?

00:11:34.320 Well,

00:11:35.700 they have to be

00:11:36.420 highly memorable,

00:11:37.480 which means

00:11:37.880 they have to

00:11:38.620 adapt themselves

00:11:39.940 to the structure

00:11:40.760 of human memory.

00:11:41.940 They have to be

00:11:42.660 compelling and interesting,

00:11:44.020 and all of that

00:11:45.000 points to

00:11:45.760 the likelihood

00:11:46.860 that they're

00:11:48.300 describing

00:11:49.400 realities

00:11:50.440 that are

00:11:50.940 unchanging

00:11:51.580 and that

00:11:52.260 are so

00:11:53.220 necessary

00:11:53.780 that their

00:11:54.680 explication

00:11:55.620 automatically

00:11:57.840 grips interest

00:11:59.120 and embeds

00:11:59.860 itself in memory.

00:12:01.100 Okay,

00:12:02.000 so with all that

00:12:02.980 we can turn

00:12:03.540 to the fairy tale

00:12:04.380 itself.

00:12:05.400 Little Snow White.

00:12:08.000 Once upon a time

00:12:08.980 in the middle of winter

00:12:09.800 when snowflakes

00:12:11.440 were falling

00:12:12.160 like feathers

00:12:12.760 from the sky

00:12:13.420 a beautiful queen

00:12:14.320 was sitting

00:12:15.240 and sewing

00:12:15.860 at a window

00:12:16.900 with a black

00:12:17.900 ebony frame.

00:12:19.400 So,

00:12:20.480 why a beautiful

00:12:22.260 queen?

00:12:23.360 Well,

00:12:24.300 the same

00:12:24.920 evolutionary psychologists,

00:12:26.780 evolutionary biologists

00:12:28.040 have also

00:12:29.100 done

00:12:30.500 intensive work,

00:12:31.780 and I would refer you

00:12:32.840 in particular

00:12:33.320 to the work

00:12:33.820 of David Buss,

00:12:35.160 on

00:12:35.600 outlining

00:12:37.680 the evidence

00:12:38.420 that

00:12:38.920 female beauty

00:12:40.960 in particular,

00:12:42.160 which has a

00:12:43.360 pronounced

00:12:43.940 sexual element,

00:12:45.800 is highly

00:12:47.080 associated

00:12:47.900 with markers

00:12:50.120 of

00:12:50.740 fertility.

00:12:52.620 Youth,

00:12:53.840 waist-to-hip

00:12:54.440 ratio,

00:12:55.680 symmetry,

00:12:56.600 a feature,

00:12:57.680 which is a

00:12:58.360 very good indicator,

00:12:59.500 by the way,

00:12:59.980 of underlying

00:13:00.680 genetic integrity.

00:13:04.300 Butterflies,

00:13:05.160 which are

00:13:05.640 quite stunningly

00:13:06.800 beautiful,

00:13:07.660 can detect

00:13:08.500 deviations

00:13:09.480 from symmetry

00:13:10.260 in a potential

00:13:11.100 mate

00:13:11.460 at less than

00:13:12.780 one part

00:13:13.460 in a million.

00:13:14.140 and much

00:13:15.280 of the

00:13:15.580 beauty

00:13:15.860 of butterflies

00:13:16.440 is actually

00:13:17.020 a consequence

00:13:17.560 of sexual

00:13:18.260 selection.

00:13:19.040 I saw

00:13:19.400 an amazing

00:13:19.900 butterfly,

00:13:20.760 I don't

00:13:20.980 remember the

00:13:21.520 species,

00:13:22.440 with its

00:13:22.860 wings closed,

00:13:23.860 it looks

00:13:24.140 exactly like

00:13:24.900 a leaf,

00:13:25.760 which is a

00:13:26.400 consequence

00:13:26.780 of natural

00:13:27.760 selection,

00:13:28.560 and then

00:13:29.040 with its

00:13:29.420 wings open,

00:13:30.180 it has

00:13:30.520 the beauty,

00:13:31.740 the colorful

00:13:32.240 beauty,

00:13:33.040 and symmetrical

00:13:33.820 patterning

00:13:34.480 and shaping

00:13:35.000 that's

00:13:35.900 characteristic,

00:13:36.920 more characteristic

00:13:37.540 of the

00:13:38.020 typical

00:13:38.300 butterfly.

00:13:38.800 What's

00:13:40.920 the

00:13:41.080 biological

00:13:41.580 significance

00:13:42.260 of beauty?

00:13:44.300 Well,

00:13:44.620 insofar as

00:13:45.220 it's

00:13:45.400 associated

00:13:45.940 with symmetry,

00:13:46.880 for example,

00:13:47.460 it is a

00:13:47.860 marker,

00:13:48.300 as I said,

00:13:48.780 of biological

00:13:49.480 integrity.

00:13:51.320 If there

00:13:52.780 are

00:13:53.240 mishaps

00:13:54.400 during

00:13:55.560 psychophysiological

00:13:57.280 development,

00:13:58.860 one way

00:13:59.500 those mishaps

00:14:00.360 make themselves

00:14:01.100 manifest to

00:14:01.860 perception

00:14:02.300 is in

00:14:02.840 marked

00:14:03.280 deviations

00:14:04.100 from bodily

00:14:05.220 symmetry.

00:14:06.820 Many of

00:14:07.400 the markers

00:14:07.900 that we

00:14:08.380 associate

00:14:08.820 with

00:14:09.380 female

00:14:09.860 beauty

00:14:10.260 and that

00:14:11.100 females

00:14:11.720 compete

00:14:12.400 to

00:14:13.100 make

00:14:13.960 manifest

00:14:14.660 are

00:14:15.280 markers

00:14:15.760 of

00:14:16.200 biological

00:14:17.080 fertility.

00:14:18.140 Waist-to-hip

00:14:18.660 ratio,

00:14:19.560 which is

00:14:20.580 a stable

00:14:21.560 marker for

00:14:22.300 female

00:14:22.760 attractiveness

00:14:23.500 with the

00:14:24.040 optimal ratio

00:14:24.960 being 0.68

00:14:26.100 across cultures,

00:14:27.720 and that's

00:14:28.100 independent,

00:14:28.780 by the way,

00:14:29.220 of body

00:14:29.640 size.

00:14:30.400 So you

00:14:30.740 can have

00:14:31.200 women

00:14:32.000 who carry

00:14:34.200 more body

00:14:34.780 fat

00:14:35.160 and women

00:14:36.280 who carry

00:14:36.640 less body

00:14:37.220 fat

00:14:37.640 being equal

00:14:39.080 in terms

00:14:39.600 of their

00:14:39.900 waist-to-hip

00:14:40.440 ratio

00:14:41.100 attractiveness

00:14:41.820 as long

00:14:42.280 as it

00:14:42.580 makes itself

00:14:44.080 manifest at

00:14:44.960 approximately

00:14:45.860 0.68.

00:14:48.200 So the

00:14:49.300 fact that

00:14:50.420 the queen

00:14:50.960 is beautiful,

00:14:52.200 you see,

00:14:52.900 is directly

00:14:53.700 associated with

00:14:54.640 the issue

00:14:55.100 of fertility

00:14:56.320 and fertility

00:14:56.940 suppression

00:14:57.520 because the

00:14:58.720 first indication

00:15:00.460 we have

00:15:01.100 of her

00:15:01.860 nature,

00:15:02.960 the nature

00:15:03.460 of her

00:15:03.740 being,

00:15:04.140 is that

00:15:04.540 she's

00:15:05.340 beautiful.

00:15:06.140 And so

00:15:06.540 the simplest

00:15:08.340 explanation

00:15:09.100 for that

00:15:10.400 is

00:15:11.460 young

00:15:13.100 and

00:15:13.960 fertile.

00:15:15.900 A beautiful

00:15:16.640 queen was

00:15:17.140 sitting and

00:15:17.800 sewing at a

00:15:18.880 window with

00:15:19.320 a black

00:15:19.740 ebony frame.

00:15:20.500 As she was

00:15:20.940 sewing and

00:15:21.400 looking out

00:15:21.820 the window

00:15:22.180 at the

00:15:22.540 snow,

00:15:23.040 she pricked

00:15:23.600 her finger

00:15:24.100 with the

00:15:24.500 needle and

00:15:24.980 three drops

00:15:25.560 of blood

00:15:26.080 fell on

00:15:26.880 the snow.

00:15:27.840 The red

00:15:28.360 looked so

00:15:29.000 beautiful on

00:15:29.640 the white

00:15:29.980 snow that

00:15:30.560 she thought

00:15:31.000 to herself,

00:15:32.280 if only

00:15:32.640 I had a

00:15:33.180 child as

00:15:33.600 white as

00:15:34.060 snow,

00:15:34.540 as red

00:15:35.220 as blood,

00:15:36.060 and as

00:15:36.480 black as

00:15:37.420 the wood

00:15:37.880 of the

00:15:38.420 window frame.

00:15:40.000 Soon thereafter

00:15:40.700 she gave birth

00:15:41.420 to a little

00:15:41.880 daughter who

00:15:42.360 was white

00:15:42.760 as snow,

00:15:43.260 as red

00:15:43.620 as blood,

00:15:44.500 and her

00:15:44.780 hair as

00:15:45.580 black as

00:15:46.180 ebony.

00:15:46.960 That's why

00:15:47.400 the child

00:15:47.900 was called

00:15:48.380 Little Snow

00:15:48.920 White.

00:15:49.480 Well,

00:15:49.780 why are those

00:15:50.760 colors relevant?

00:15:52.240 Well,

00:15:52.480 black,

00:15:52.960 white,

00:15:53.180 and red

00:15:53.620 are the

00:15:54.320 three colors

00:15:55.140 most likely

00:15:55.840 to be given

00:15:56.440 color names

00:15:57.140 across cultures.

00:15:58.940 And so

00:15:59.360 there are no

00:16:00.460 more directly

00:16:02.020 perceptible

00:16:02.900 colors than

00:16:04.160 black,

00:16:04.860 white,

00:16:05.080 and red.

00:16:05.780 And then

00:16:06.340 red is

00:16:07.740 associated,

00:16:08.660 let's say,

00:16:09.120 with the

00:16:09.460 apple,

00:16:09.940 as we'll

00:16:10.320 see later

00:16:11.080 in the

00:16:11.380 story.

00:16:11.800 But there

00:16:13.380 are,

00:16:14.480 like,

00:16:15.180 reddening of

00:16:15.800 tissue is

00:16:16.360 also associated

00:16:17.360 with both

00:16:18.200 youth and

00:16:18.840 with sexual

00:16:19.600 excitation.

00:16:21.420 And so

00:16:21.860 women,

00:16:22.900 for example,

00:16:23.660 put lipstick

00:16:24.280 on their

00:16:24.700 lips and

00:16:25.240 rouge their

00:16:26.040 cheeks to

00:16:26.980 mimic both

00:16:27.860 youth and

00:16:28.880 fecundity,

00:16:29.520 but also

00:16:30.560 to mimic

00:16:31.840 sexual

00:16:32.840 excitation.

00:16:34.400 The queen

00:16:34.740 was the

00:16:35.280 most beautiful

00:16:35.860 woman in

00:16:36.420 the entire

00:16:36.860 land.

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00:17:37.020 And very proud

00:17:38.580 about her beauty.

00:17:43.080 Pride, you know,

00:17:44.160 is the cardinal sin,

00:17:45.540 you might say.

00:17:47.020 It's pride that is

00:17:49.000 the fundamental

00:17:49.520 characteristic of

00:17:51.220 Lucifer, the

00:17:52.440 usurping spirit.

00:17:54.360 the, you can

00:17:56.980 think of the

00:17:57.700 Luciferian spirit

00:17:58.780 as the individual

00:18:00.660 or the proclivity

00:18:02.320 of the individual

00:18:03.200 to elevate

00:18:04.480 themselves to

00:18:06.020 the highest

00:18:07.320 possible position.

00:18:08.900 I'll give you

00:18:09.920 an example.

00:18:12.140 When Eve is

00:18:14.020 tempted by the

00:18:15.000 serpent to

00:18:16.280 eat the apple,

00:18:18.080 which, or the

00:18:19.440 fruit, it's not

00:18:21.060 described as an

00:18:22.580 apple in the

00:18:23.500 Genesis story, but

00:18:24.480 it has become

00:18:25.340 that by tradition,

00:18:26.480 which is relevant

00:18:27.100 to this story.

00:18:28.820 The serpent, who's

00:18:30.300 camouflaged, by

00:18:31.560 the way, like

00:18:33.360 female aggression,

00:18:35.280 tells Eve that if

00:18:36.380 she eats this

00:18:37.620 particular fruit,

00:18:39.520 which means if

00:18:40.200 she consumes it

00:18:41.280 and incorporates

00:18:42.020 it and takes it

00:18:43.360 into herself,

00:18:44.520 becomes it, you

00:18:45.360 might say, that

00:18:46.460 she'll become like

00:18:48.120 God, knowing good

00:18:50.560 and evil.

00:18:51.240 What does that

00:18:51.820 mean?

00:18:52.040 establishing the

00:18:53.480 moral order, and

00:18:54.800 so Eve eats the

00:18:56.740 fruit offered to

00:18:57.660 her by the

00:18:58.220 serpent so that

00:18:59.560 she can take the

00:19:00.880 place of God and

00:19:02.100 define the moral

00:19:02.840 order, and that's

00:19:05.100 partly why the

00:19:06.980 serpent in the

00:19:08.360 Genesis story

00:19:09.600 becomes associated

00:19:10.760 as the mythology

00:19:11.740 develops with

00:19:13.080 Lucifer, the

00:19:14.220 usurping intellect

00:19:15.500 who attempts to

00:19:16.900 take the place of

00:19:18.200 the divine.

00:19:18.740 that's all

00:19:19.580 associated with

00:19:20.460 the idea of

00:19:21.180 pride.

00:19:21.680 Pride is the

00:19:23.160 vice that says

00:19:25.920 what I want

00:19:28.220 now, I in the

00:19:30.540 most narrow

00:19:31.060 possible way, or

00:19:32.200 what my whims

00:19:33.680 want now, should

00:19:35.400 be superordinate

00:19:36.960 to all other

00:19:37.840 concerns.

00:19:39.180 The pride that

00:19:40.620 the evil queen

00:19:41.840 takes in her

00:19:43.000 beauty is the

00:19:44.660 taking to

00:19:45.860 herself of a

00:19:47.500 talent that

00:19:48.880 was given

00:19:50.900 to her by

00:19:52.820 providence, let's

00:19:54.360 say, by taking

00:19:56.340 that to

00:19:57.160 herself as a

00:19:58.580 virtue that

00:19:59.440 confers special

00:20:00.720 privileges and

00:20:01.560 benefits on her

00:20:03.160 as an isolated

00:20:04.220 individual.

00:20:05.060 What would the

00:20:05.880 alternative be?

00:20:07.540 She could be

00:20:08.620 extraordinarily

00:20:09.440 grateful for

00:20:11.320 her beauty and

00:20:12.880 self-effacing and

00:20:15.320 kind and

00:20:16.060 self-sacrificing.

00:20:17.720 That would make

00:20:18.600 her the good

00:20:19.100 queen rather than

00:20:19.920 the evil queen.

00:20:21.800 She also had a

00:20:22.660 mirror and every

00:20:23.520 morning she stepped

00:20:24.360 in front of it and

00:20:25.100 asked, mirror,

00:20:25.860 mirror on the

00:20:26.460 wall, who in

00:20:27.300 this land is

00:20:28.040 fairest of all?

00:20:29.620 The mirror would

00:20:30.220 answer, you, my

00:20:31.060 queen, are the

00:20:31.680 fairest of all.

00:20:32.780 Okay, well, what's

00:20:33.800 a mirror?

00:20:34.340 A mirror is a

00:20:35.080 place for self-reflection,

00:20:36.360 but it's also a

00:20:37.260 place of intense

00:20:38.120 self-consciousness,

00:20:39.860 right?

00:20:40.180 When you look in a

00:20:41.040 mirror and you

00:20:41.560 recognize yourself in

00:20:43.360 the mirror, you are

00:20:44.580 self-conscious.

00:20:45.780 In fact, self-recognition

00:20:47.920 in a mirror is a

00:20:49.260 marker used by

00:20:50.320 biologists to

00:20:51.360 determine the

00:20:52.080 presence or absence

00:20:53.100 of self-consciousness

00:20:54.500 in animals.

00:20:56.260 So to look in a

00:20:57.360 mirror is to

00:20:58.540 become self-conscious.

00:21:00.220 Okay, so what's the

00:21:01.160 problem with that?

00:21:02.700 Well, psychologists

00:21:04.000 have known for

00:21:04.800 decades that

00:21:05.800 the experience of

00:21:08.480 self-consciousness

00:21:09.540 is so tightly

00:21:10.900 associated with

00:21:11.960 negative emotion

00:21:12.920 that they're

00:21:13.860 statistically

00:21:14.740 indistinguishable.

00:21:18.080 So when the

00:21:19.140 theorists who

00:21:20.140 created the big

00:21:20.880 five personality

00:21:21.920 map, five-dimensional

00:21:25.000 personality map,

00:21:26.160 extroversion,

00:21:26.860 neuroticism,

00:21:27.700 conscientiousness,

00:21:28.600 agreeableness, and

00:21:29.600 openness, which is a

00:21:30.620 creativity dimension,

00:21:31.540 when they first

00:21:33.200 laid out that map,

00:21:34.460 they noticed that

00:21:35.880 their statistical

00:21:36.880 inquiries indicated

00:21:38.080 that being

00:21:39.280 self-conscious was

00:21:40.840 so tightly

00:21:41.560 associated with

00:21:42.600 trait neuroticism,

00:21:43.900 which is the

00:21:44.720 proclivity for

00:21:45.420 anxiety, pain,

00:21:48.840 grief, shame,

00:21:50.060 guilt, frustration,

00:21:51.220 disappointment, and

00:21:52.020 anger, among other

00:21:53.320 negative emotions,

00:21:54.820 it was so tightly

00:21:55.700 associated with

00:21:56.780 negative emotion that

00:21:58.040 it was statistically

00:21:58.880 indistinguishable.

00:21:59.900 So we should note

00:22:01.680 that the queen's

00:22:03.400 pride, in

00:22:04.460 combination with

00:22:05.380 her pronounced

00:22:06.280 proclivity for

00:22:07.780 self-consciousness,

00:22:09.580 is destined to

00:22:10.820 make her miserable,

00:22:12.920 and that the

00:22:13.680 pathway from

00:22:14.440 misery to

00:22:15.560 bitterness, and

00:22:17.520 from bitterness to

00:22:18.580 sadistic, what

00:22:21.440 would you say,

00:22:22.180 sadistic revenge

00:22:23.560 and envy, that's a

00:22:24.820 very short

00:22:25.640 journey.

00:22:27.460 So, mirror,

00:22:28.880 mirror on the

00:22:29.460 wall.

00:22:29.660 Who in this land

00:22:30.640 is fairest of

00:22:31.460 all?

00:22:31.940 The mirror would

00:22:32.520 answer, you, my

00:22:33.660 queen, are the

00:22:34.400 fairest of all.

00:22:35.260 So she staked her

00:22:36.540 identity on her

00:22:38.620 beauty.

00:22:40.500 She staked her

00:22:41.600 identity on her

00:22:42.760 youth.

00:22:43.840 She staked her

00:22:44.640 identity on her

00:22:45.980 competitiveness, you

00:22:47.600 might say, in the

00:22:48.680 mating and

00:22:49.120 reproduction market.

00:22:50.540 You know, and

00:22:50.920 that's, I suppose,

00:22:53.940 to some degree,

00:22:55.340 that's

00:22:56.340 developmentally

00:22:57.140 appropriate for a

00:22:58.260 very young woman

00:22:59.180 whose primary

00:23:01.260 orientation in the

00:23:05.740 world could well

00:23:07.620 be finding a

00:23:09.360 partner and

00:23:10.280 pursuing the

00:23:13.200 reproductive pathway,

00:23:14.340 having children,

00:23:16.040 worshiping that and

00:23:18.380 developing pride in

00:23:20.160 it, and then

00:23:21.180 maintaining it past

00:23:22.660 its due date, and

00:23:24.420 then using it to

00:23:25.440 suppress fertility in

00:23:27.020 others, especially

00:23:28.080 your own children,

00:23:29.020 that starts to

00:23:30.400 deviate into the

00:23:32.160 pathological.

00:23:33.280 Look, part of the

00:23:34.940 reason that human

00:23:35.760 beings have the

00:23:36.400 lifespan they have,

00:23:37.960 which basically

00:23:38.680 allows us to be

00:23:39.720 grandparents, is

00:23:41.540 that it's useful

00:23:42.940 for young people who

00:23:46.660 are raising children

00:23:47.480 to have their

00:23:48.240 parents around to

00:23:49.320 pass on some

00:23:51.140 wisdom about how

00:23:52.120 to manage this.

00:23:54.240 But it's also the

00:23:55.840 case that it's

00:23:57.080 inappropriate for

00:23:58.220 grandmothers to

00:23:59.680 compete with their

00:24:00.560 daughters on the

00:24:02.060 sexual attractiveness

00:24:03.200 front if that's

00:24:04.680 done in a manner

00:24:05.980 that undermines and

00:24:08.380 supplants the

00:24:10.420 younger woman.

00:24:13.800 So that's all

00:24:15.560 background for this

00:24:16.400 story.

00:24:17.760 You, my queen, are

00:24:18.520 the fairest of

00:24:19.140 all.

00:24:19.700 And then she knew

00:24:20.300 for certain that

00:24:21.280 there was nobody

00:24:21.920 more beautiful in

00:24:22.780 the entire world.

00:24:23.880 However, little

00:24:24.520 Snow White grew

00:24:25.380 up, and when she

00:24:26.460 was seven years

00:24:27.120 old, she was so

00:24:27.840 beautiful that her

00:24:28.640 beauty surpassed

00:24:29.640 even that of the

00:24:30.600 queen.

00:24:31.240 And when the

00:24:31.740 queen asked her

00:24:32.360 mirror, mirror,

00:24:33.540 mirror on the

00:24:34.140 wall, who is the

00:24:35.200 fairest of them all,

00:24:36.660 the mirror answered,

00:24:38.080 you, my queen, may

00:24:39.780 have a beauty quite

00:24:40.920 rare, but little

00:24:42.080 Snow White is a

00:24:43.040 thousand times more

00:24:44.720 fair.

00:24:45.560 When the queen

00:24:46.260 heard the mirror

00:24:46.880 speak this way, she

00:24:47.820 became pale with

00:24:48.800 envy, and from

00:24:50.400 that hour onward, she

00:24:51.900 hated Snow White.

00:24:53.240 And when she

00:24:53.740 looked at her and

00:24:54.360 thought that little

00:24:54.940 Snow White was to

00:24:55.880 blame, that she, the

00:24:56.940 queen, was no longer

00:24:57.780 the most beautiful

00:24:58.520 woman in the world,

00:24:59.540 her heart turned

00:25:00.360 against little

00:25:01.360 Snow White.

00:25:02.280 Okay, so what's the

00:25:03.240 problem with that?

00:25:04.460 Well, one of the

00:25:05.960 things that you see

00:25:06.940 in pathological

00:25:08.100 families is that

00:25:09.840 the parents who've

00:25:12.400 made a hash of

00:25:13.260 their own life

00:25:14.100 become jealous of

00:25:15.980 the unblemished

00:25:17.940 possibilities and

00:25:19.640 opportunities that

00:25:21.140 lay themselves out in

00:25:22.900 front of their

00:25:23.400 children, and

00:25:24.440 instead of

00:25:25.000 encouraging their

00:25:25.780 development in the

00:25:26.640 world, start to

00:25:28.180 regard the fact that

00:25:29.940 they haven't been

00:25:30.900 corrupted yet by

00:25:32.240 laziness and spite.

00:25:34.660 They start to regard

00:25:35.640 that as a, they

00:25:37.360 start to regard the

00:25:38.440 contrast between that

00:25:40.140 childhood potentiality

00:25:41.980 and their own wasted

00:25:43.600 and pathological lives

00:25:45.560 as unbearable, and

00:25:47.100 to reduce the

00:25:48.000 contrast instead of

00:25:49.200 straightening the hell

00:25:50.140 up so that they're

00:25:51.200 not embarrassed in

00:25:52.040 front of their

00:25:52.480 children, they

00:25:53.600 discourage their

00:25:55.160 children from moving

00:25:56.180 forward and encourage

00:25:58.260 pathologies in them so

00:26:00.100 that the competitive

00:26:00.920 stress is lessened.

00:26:03.440 And so that's

00:26:04.980 exactly what the evil

00:26:06.260 queen is doing here.

00:26:08.140 She's now jealous of

00:26:09.860 her child instead of

00:26:11.140 stepping back and

00:26:13.580 really taking second

00:26:15.480 place, which is, you

00:26:17.320 know, which is what

00:26:18.620 a wise mother should

00:26:22.060 do and would do if

00:26:23.500 she had her true

00:26:25.200 interest in mind, but

00:26:26.200 also the interests of

00:26:27.860 her children.

00:26:29.680 You know, one of the

00:26:30.800 tropes in teenage

00:26:33.360 movies is the mom who

00:26:35.180 tries too hard to be

00:26:36.800 cool, let's say, to

00:26:38.800 pretend that she's

00:26:39.800 still young, to

00:26:41.080 even to partake in

00:26:43.100 the social hierarchy

00:26:44.960 structuring of her

00:26:46.580 teenage daughters, let's

00:26:47.920 say, instead of

00:26:49.200 stepping back and

00:26:50.280 letting the young

00:26:51.260 women have their

00:26:52.580 moment, just as she

00:26:54.580 had the opportunity,

00:26:56.320 just as the mother

00:26:57.120 had the opportunity

00:26:58.020 to have her moment.

00:27:00.260 That's part of the

00:27:01.320 sacrificial nature of

00:27:02.900 motherhood when it's

00:27:04.080 undertaken appropriately,

00:27:07.480 right?

00:27:07.880 Because the child

00:27:09.320 becomes the star of

00:27:11.880 the show, let's say,

00:27:13.340 rather than the

00:27:14.140 mother, and the

00:27:14.920 mother isn't trying to

00:27:15.920 become the star

00:27:17.360 through the child

00:27:18.400 either.

00:27:19.640 Her heart turned

00:27:20.300 against little Snow

00:27:21.240 White, right?

00:27:22.760 What did Nietzsche say?

00:27:23.860 We're best punished

00:27:24.800 for our virtues.

00:27:26.300 If you really want to

00:27:27.240 hurt your child, then

00:27:29.060 you find out what's

00:27:30.100 good about them that's

00:27:31.060 embarrassing you by

00:27:32.360 contrast, and then you

00:27:33.860 hurt them for the

00:27:35.220 existence of that

00:27:36.240 good, that'll make

00:27:37.440 you an evil queen.

00:27:38.940 And so what is she

00:27:39.800 like?

00:27:40.540 Well, this is a very

00:27:41.960 harsh part of the

00:27:42.880 story, you see, and

00:27:44.700 this is the sort of

00:27:46.100 thing that modern

00:27:46.820 people find upsetting

00:27:47.900 and perhaps, presume,

00:27:50.320 shouldn't be shared

00:27:51.000 with children.

00:27:52.060 But the vicious turn

00:27:53.880 this story takes now

00:27:55.500 is an indication of

00:27:57.400 just how absolutely

00:27:59.300 devouring and

00:28:00.620 pathological, this

00:28:02.280 evil queen jealousy

00:28:04.100 in relationship to

00:28:05.660 younger women

00:28:06.280 truly is.

00:28:07.620 So this is what

00:28:08.580 the mother of

00:28:09.780 Snow White

00:28:10.360 does to

00:28:13.140 pursue her

00:28:14.700 envy and pride,

00:28:16.860 her usurping

00:28:17.860 capability.

00:28:21.380 Her jealousy kept

00:28:22.680 upsetting her, and

00:28:24.000 so she summoned

00:28:25.360 her huntsman

00:28:26.420 and said, take

00:28:28.500 this child out

00:28:29.540 into the forest,

00:28:32.060 so out into the

00:28:32.960 dark unknown,

00:28:34.380 to a spot far

00:28:35.620 from her, then

00:28:36.720 stab her to

00:28:37.920 death.

00:28:39.360 That's bad

00:28:40.160 enough, I would

00:28:41.200 say, already, the

00:28:42.120 mother who's going

00:28:43.040 to kill her own

00:28:45.240 child, have her

00:28:46.300 henchmen kill her

00:28:47.100 own child.

00:28:48.380 But that's not as

00:28:49.820 bad as it gets,

00:28:50.760 and it's not

00:28:53.260 sufficiently

00:28:54.320 symbolically

00:28:55.940 terrible,

00:28:57.420 because the,

00:29:00.000 it's like a

00:29:00.760 vampire, right?

00:29:01.500 A vampire is

00:29:02.520 a force of death

00:29:05.860 that feeds on

00:29:06.740 life to keep

00:29:08.180 itself going when

00:29:09.320 really it's already

00:29:10.300 dead.

00:29:11.360 The mother, the

00:29:12.880 queen in this story

00:29:13.960 doesn't only kill

00:29:15.200 her daughter, she

00:29:16.760 devours her, she

00:29:17.800 attempts to

00:29:18.540 incorporate her

00:29:20.260 own vitality into

00:29:21.480 herself.

00:29:22.120 She's truly the

00:29:22.980 devouring mother,

00:29:24.440 truly the devouring

00:29:25.280 mother, the, and

00:29:26.560 that's a symbolic

00:29:28.220 representation of

00:29:30.820 maternality gone

00:29:32.740 most pathologically

00:29:34.720 wrong in the

00:29:35.500 opposite direction.

00:29:36.420 I mean, women,

00:29:38.800 mothers, literally

00:29:40.000 nourish their

00:29:41.180 children with their

00:29:42.060 own bodies.

00:29:45.300 Breastfeeding

00:29:45.900 mothers can,

00:29:48.540 their bodies can

00:29:49.460 detect if their

00:29:50.540 children lack

00:29:51.460 calcium, if their

00:29:52.600 infants lack

00:29:53.200 calcium when

00:29:53.840 they're breastfeeding

00:29:54.720 through receptors

00:29:56.440 in the nipple, and

00:29:57.740 if the child is

00:29:58.840 lacking calcium, the

00:30:00.200 mother will

00:30:00.700 decalcify her own

00:30:02.520 bones, take

00:30:03.800 calcium out of

00:30:04.640 her own bones to

00:30:05.820 increase the

00:30:06.900 proportion of

00:30:07.560 calcium in the

00:30:08.120 milk to feed to

00:30:09.720 her child.

00:30:10.700 And so the

00:30:12.180 proper maternal

00:30:14.320 orientation towards

00:30:15.720 infants in particular,

00:30:16.920 mother, but also

00:30:17.440 children, is

00:30:18.300 voluntary self

00:30:20.180 sacrifice, right?

00:30:21.940 To give, the

00:30:23.300 mother gives

00:30:23.980 herself up, gives

00:30:26.520 herself over to

00:30:27.480 the child.

00:30:28.220 This is a complete

00:30:29.120 inversion of that

00:30:30.040 where the mother

00:30:30.820 becomes the devouring

00:30:32.500 agent and the

00:30:33.320 child is nourishment

00:30:34.380 for the pathologies

00:30:36.100 of the mother.

00:30:37.040 You see plenty of

00:30:37.960 that, by the way, in

00:30:38.780 the modern world with

00:30:39.780 mothers, for

00:30:41.060 example, who

00:30:41.860 utilize their

00:30:43.760 demented identity

00:30:46.380 politics with

00:30:48.460 regards to their

00:30:49.260 children.

00:30:49.960 My boy is really

00:30:50.980 a girl.

00:30:51.720 My girl is really

00:30:52.720 a boy.

00:30:53.520 There's some

00:30:54.060 fertility suppression.

00:30:55.480 And use the

00:30:56.400 notoriety generated

00:30:57.820 by that

00:30:58.600 pathologization of

00:31:00.220 the child to

00:31:01.100 elevate their

00:31:01.980 social status among

00:31:03.340 their idiot

00:31:04.020 friends at the

00:31:05.520 cost of the

00:31:06.220 child's happiness,

00:31:08.640 physiology, and

00:31:09.600 future reproductive

00:31:10.500 success.

00:31:11.140 So, no matter

00:31:12.760 how brutal this

00:31:13.840 story becomes, and

00:31:14.760 that's what happens

00:31:15.420 next, it pales in

00:31:17.220 comparison to the

00:31:18.420 truth of the

00:31:19.820 pathology of the

00:31:20.880 devouring mother.

00:31:22.520 Take the child out

00:31:23.340 into the forest to a

00:31:25.040 spot far from here.

00:31:26.340 Then stab her to

00:31:27.240 death and bring me

00:31:28.620 back her lungs and

00:31:29.860 liver as proof of

00:31:31.400 your deed.

00:31:32.300 Lungs, that's

00:31:33.260 inspiration, that's

00:31:34.520 respiration, that's

00:31:35.600 the resting place of

00:31:36.820 the spirit.

00:31:37.800 Liver?

00:31:38.480 Well, think of the

00:31:39.340 word live.

00:31:39.960 The liver is the

00:31:41.160 part of the body,

00:31:42.280 the vital organ

00:31:43.520 that can regenerate

00:31:44.520 itself, and is

00:31:45.760 regarded symbolically

00:31:47.000 as the seat of

00:31:48.420 vitality.

00:31:49.480 So, it's spirit and

00:31:51.000 vitality that the

00:31:52.060 evil queen devours

00:31:53.720 in consequence of

00:31:55.360 her jealousy, her

00:31:56.640 inappropriate jealousy

00:31:57.740 of the benefits of

00:31:59.700 Snow White's youth.

00:32:01.280 After that, I'll cook

00:32:02.220 them with salt and

00:32:03.300 eat them.

00:32:04.600 Now, you think, do

00:32:05.500 you tell your

00:32:06.040 children that story?

00:32:08.300 That's a hard

00:32:09.120 question, because

00:32:10.340 one thing you

00:32:11.740 want to do, if

00:32:13.320 you have children,

00:32:14.160 is protect them

00:32:15.420 from the evil

00:32:16.320 queen.

00:32:18.140 The huntsman took

00:32:19.000 little Snow White

00:32:19.780 and led her out

00:32:20.360 into the forest, but

00:32:21.300 when he drew his

00:32:21.940 hunting knife and

00:32:22.640 was about to

00:32:23.260 stab her, she

00:32:24.420 began to weep and

00:32:25.820 pleaded so much to

00:32:27.240 let her live and

00:32:28.080 promised never to

00:32:29.580 return but to run

00:32:30.580 deeper into the

00:32:31.580 forest.

00:32:32.300 The huntsman was

00:32:32.900 moved to pity, also

00:32:34.380 because she was so

00:32:35.340 beautiful.

00:32:36.460 Anyway, he thought

00:32:37.420 the wild beasts in

00:32:38.420 the forest would

00:32:39.100 soon devour her.

00:32:40.660 I'm glad that I

00:32:42.120 won't have to kill

00:32:42.840 her, he thought.

00:32:44.020 Just then a young

00:32:44.940 boar came dashing

00:32:45.960 by and the

00:32:46.440 huntsman stabbed

00:32:47.180 it to death.

00:32:48.240 He took out the

00:32:48.900 lungs and liver and

00:32:51.100 brought them to the

00:32:51.880 queen as proof that

00:32:53.200 the child was dead.

00:32:54.480 Then she boiled them

00:32:55.420 in salt, ate them,

00:32:56.540 and thought she had

00:32:57.620 eaten little Snow

00:32:58.460 White's lungs and

00:32:59.740 liver.

00:33:00.820 So, that's pretty

00:33:02.220 damn rough, but now

00:33:04.320 you understand its

00:33:05.520 significance.

00:33:06.720 Oh, this reminds

00:33:09.780 me, you know, of

00:33:10.740 the Disney version

00:33:12.340 of Sleeping Beauty.

00:33:13.420 Remember, the evil

00:33:15.300 queen in Sleeping

00:33:16.300 Beauty, Maleficent,

00:33:19.260 entraps the prince

00:33:20.780 in a castle, and

00:33:22.760 her goal is to keep

00:33:24.920 him locked up until

00:33:26.900 he's so old that he

00:33:28.720 can't find a mate and

00:33:31.120 reproduce.

00:33:32.600 Right?

00:33:32.900 And when he dares to

00:33:34.640 challenge her, she

00:33:35.920 turns into the dragon

00:33:37.440 that devours everything,

00:33:39.060 right?

00:33:39.260 Into the full bloody

00:33:40.560 fury of nature itself

00:33:43.980 in all its predatory

00:33:45.920 catastrophe.

00:33:47.840 And he defeats her

00:33:49.060 with a cross on his

00:33:51.480 shield and the sword

00:33:53.920 of truth and advances

00:33:55.940 through her, through the

00:33:57.500 thorns that she's placed

00:33:58.920 around Sleeping Beauty

00:34:00.140 so that he can find

00:34:01.880 the princess.

00:34:02.620 And that's the story

00:34:04.280 of the young man's

00:34:06.560 heroic, heroic

00:34:11.240 rejection of the

00:34:13.520 destruction of his

00:34:14.860 life possibility and

00:34:17.120 youth by the evil

00:34:18.540 queen.

00:34:20.500 Meanwhile, little Snow

00:34:21.600 White was so all alone

00:34:23.280 in the huge forest that

00:34:24.280 she became afraid and

00:34:25.340 began to run and run

00:34:26.800 over sharp stones and

00:34:27.940 through thorn bushes.

00:34:28.740 That's a typical fairytale

00:34:30.740 motif and the emphasis

00:34:32.920 of the story here

00:34:33.920 actually shifts to

00:34:35.080 Snow White because it

00:34:36.220 starts to become a

00:34:37.200 developmental story

00:34:39.280 rather than a story

00:34:40.860 about the evil queen.

00:34:43.800 So Snow White has been

00:34:45.680 moved from pathological

00:34:48.340 order, and that's the

00:34:49.940 domain ruled by the

00:34:51.080 evil queen, out into the

00:34:53.360 unknown.

00:34:54.140 Those two things are

00:34:55.060 conflated, you might say,

00:34:56.380 because whenever you are

00:34:59.160 in a situation where you

00:35:02.120 are encountering the

00:35:03.220 unknown, for example,

00:35:05.280 when you're lost in a

00:35:06.880 forest, when you're away

00:35:08.280 from everything that

00:35:09.300 brings you security and

00:35:11.100 familiarity, you are in

00:35:13.180 the unknown, in the

00:35:14.280 unexplored territory, but

00:35:15.580 that unexplored territory is

00:35:17.840 going to be populated by the

00:35:19.600 monsters of your

00:35:20.520 imagination.

00:35:21.040 And so any journey into

00:35:24.620 the unknown is

00:35:25.520 simultaneously a journey

00:35:27.020 into the unconscious.

00:35:28.580 So what's happening here is

00:35:29.820 that Snow White has

00:35:31.740 left security and is

00:35:35.500 now encountering the

00:35:37.920 unknown, and that's part of

00:35:40.480 the developmental

00:35:41.640 trajectory.

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00:36:13.080 Three.

00:36:13.720 Everything we learn is on

00:36:15.960 the border of order and

00:36:17.920 chaos.

00:36:18.320 Everything we learn is a

00:36:19.940 step into the unknown, and

00:36:21.740 so this is a radical

00:36:22.860 initiation for Snow White.

00:36:25.140 She ran the entire day.

00:36:27.040 Finally, as the sun was

00:36:28.160 about to set, she came upon

00:36:29.560 a little cottage that

00:36:30.600 belonged to seven dwarfs.

00:36:32.200 Now, this is very

00:36:33.080 interesting.

00:36:33.880 So, Snow White has gone,

00:36:36.900 you could say, into the

00:36:37.900 unknown or into the

00:36:38.860 unconscious and quite

00:36:39.780 deeply because it takes her

00:36:40.820 a whole day to get there.

00:36:41.920 And what does she

00:36:42.520 discover?

00:36:43.300 So, this is in her own

00:36:44.340 mind, you might say.

00:36:45.360 This is in the, this is

00:36:47.560 part of the landscape of

00:36:48.760 possibility that presents

00:36:50.640 itself to any young woman

00:36:53.380 who is being persecuted by

00:36:56.840 the forces of the evil

00:36:57.960 queen, down deep into the

00:36:59.640 unknown, down deep into the

00:37:01.560 unconscious.

00:37:02.760 Go far enough, you find the

00:37:04.840 home of the dwarfs.

00:37:06.660 Okay, so, so what are the

00:37:08.440 dwarfs here?

00:37:09.100 The dwarfs are ordinary,

00:37:11.820 faceless, hardworking men.

00:37:15.280 Now, in the modern Snow White

00:37:17.000 story, this last travesty that

00:37:18.720 Disney so catastrophically

00:37:20.260 produced, the dwarfs are

00:37:22.000 basically a mess.

00:37:23.920 And that's part of the

00:37:25.540 pathology of the modern

00:37:27.120 world, which assumes that

00:37:29.700 typical, faceless, ordinary,

00:37:33.220 hardworking men are part of the

00:37:35.500 pathological patriarchy and

00:37:38.220 incapable of taking care of

00:37:40.420 themselves.

00:37:41.300 That's not the case in the

00:37:42.720 Grimm brothers' story.

00:37:45.680 The dwarfs have a perfectly

00:37:47.340 functional house deep in the

00:37:49.540 woods, and they're capable of

00:37:52.840 taking care of themselves.

00:37:54.340 In fact, you might think about

00:37:55.920 the dwarfs as exactly that.

00:37:58.380 The dwarfs are seven ordinary,

00:38:01.360 hardworking men who've made a

00:38:03.580 place in the forest of the

00:38:04.940 unknown that's safe and secure

00:38:06.980 and functional.

00:38:08.720 And so you could think about

00:38:09.980 the dwarfs as indicators, as

00:38:12.600 representatives of the ordinary,

00:38:16.140 functional patriarchy.

00:38:18.260 Now, what's particularly

00:38:19.520 interesting about that, you see,

00:38:21.180 is that Snow White finds

00:38:23.520 respite from the evil queen in

00:38:26.820 the dwelling place of the

00:38:28.620 ordinary man.

00:38:30.160 So what does that mean?

00:38:31.820 Well, it means that one of the

00:38:33.920 things that ordinary men offer

00:38:36.620 young women is protection from

00:38:39.600 the pathology of fertility

00:38:41.660 suppression by toxic older women.

00:38:45.660 And given the absolute

00:38:47.980 widespread pervasiveness of

00:38:50.260 elite-induced fertility

00:38:52.580 suppression in our culture, the

00:38:55.100 notion that an alliance between

00:38:58.060 young women and ordinary men is the

00:39:00.740 protection against that fertility

00:39:03.260 and youth-destroying pathology is a

00:39:05.940 lesson well worth learning.

00:39:07.880 And certainly not the lesson that

00:39:09.220 was put forward in the most recent

00:39:11.300 version of the Snow White

00:39:13.540 narrative.

00:39:14.980 So she ran the entire day.

00:39:17.600 Finally, as the sun was about to

00:39:19.100 set, she came upon a little cottage

00:39:20.660 that belonged to seven dwarfs.

00:39:22.300 Okay, so that happens at night too.

00:39:23.780 So that's deeper into the

00:39:24.920 unconscious.

00:39:26.000 However, they were not at home,

00:39:27.360 but had gone to the mines.

00:39:28.560 See, as miners, you see, they

00:39:32.460 descend into the depths themselves

00:39:34.240 and they find through their labor

00:39:37.040 treasure.

00:39:39.120 And so the dwarves, you see this in

00:39:42.240 mythological representations of

00:39:43.880 dwarves like in the Lord of the Rings,

00:39:45.340 the dwarves are often heroes.

00:39:46.780 They're tough.

00:39:47.460 They're tough little guys and they go

00:39:49.120 into the darkest recesses of the

00:39:52.260 bowels of the earth to find the

00:39:54.640 glittering treasure.

00:39:55.600 And so it's very appropriate to

00:39:58.640 notice that these dwarves are good

00:40:00.840 men.

00:40:01.440 They're still dwarves, however.

00:40:03.460 They were not at home, but had gone

00:40:04.580 to the mines.

00:40:05.220 Okay, so they're also diligent,

00:40:07.320 conscientious, and hardworking.

00:40:08.820 And that's reinforced by the next

00:40:10.720 line.

00:40:11.300 When little Snow White entered, she

00:40:13.140 found everything tiny, but dainty and

00:40:16.260 neat.

00:40:17.100 Okay, so this is a well-tended place,

00:40:19.940 right?

00:40:20.280 So these are lone men who are capable

00:40:23.860 of taking care of themselves and

00:40:25.700 establishing habitable order,

00:40:28.120 habitable patriarchal order,

00:40:30.460 cooperative, conscientious, oriented

00:40:33.240 towards the treasure, brave and

00:40:35.300 resolute.

00:40:36.420 There was a little table with a white

00:40:37.780 tablecloth and seven little plates

00:40:39.720 with seven tiny spoons, seven tiny

00:40:41.520 knives and tiny forks and seven tiny

00:40:43.660 cups.

00:40:44.220 In a row against the wall stood seven

00:40:46.420 little beds, recently covered with

00:40:48.480 sheets.

00:40:49.340 So their beds are made too.

00:40:51.160 Take note, all of you who have unmade

00:40:54.300 beds and still are struggling even to

00:40:56.840 be dwarves.

00:40:58.340 Since she was so hungry and thirsty, so

00:41:00.300 now she gets to eat in this place of

00:41:02.760 masculine provision.

00:41:05.080 Snow White ate some vegetables and

00:41:06.680 bread from each of the little plates and

00:41:08.200 had a drop of wine to drink out of each

00:41:09.940 of the tiny cups.

00:41:11.060 And since she was so tired, she wanted

00:41:12.700 to lay down and sleep.

00:41:13.940 So she began trying out the beds, but

00:41:16.180 none of them suited her until she found

00:41:17.960 that the seventh one was just right.

00:41:20.060 So she lay down in it and fell asleep.

00:41:23.620 When it turned night, the seven dwarves

00:41:25.560 returned home from their work and lit

00:41:27.520 their seven little candles.

00:41:29.180 Then they saw that someone had been in

00:41:30.780 their house.

00:41:32.000 The first dwarf said, who's been sitting

00:41:34.580 in my chair?

00:41:35.600 Who's eaten off my plate?

00:41:37.280 Said the second.

00:41:38.260 Who's eaten some of my bread?

00:41:40.040 Said the third.

00:41:41.100 My vegetables, said the fourth.

00:41:43.640 Who's been using my little fork?

00:41:45.660 Said the fifth.

00:41:46.760 Who's been cutting with my little knife?

00:41:48.800 Said the sixth.

00:41:50.300 Who's had something to drink from my

00:41:52.480 little cup?

00:41:53.260 Said the seventh.

00:41:55.320 Then the first dwarf looked around and

00:41:56.840 said, who's been sleeping in my bed?

00:41:59.160 The second cried out, someone's been

00:42:00.640 sleeping in my bed.

00:42:01.960 And he was followed by each of them until

00:42:04.020 the seventh dwarf looked at his bed and

00:42:06.180 saw a little Snow White lying there

00:42:08.140 asleep.

00:42:08.860 The others came running over to him and

00:42:10.540 they were so astounded that they

00:42:13.020 screamed and fetched their seven little

00:42:15.100 candles to observe little Snow White.

00:42:17.240 Oh my Lord, they explained how beautiful

00:42:19.720 she is.

00:42:20.760 They took great delight in her.

00:42:22.700 Okay, well, you know, that's actually

00:42:24.840 an indication that these are pretty

00:42:26.420 decent little dwarfs too, because if

00:42:29.060 they were as pathological as the little

00:42:31.280 queen and they came across an attractive

00:42:34.620 juvenile female, God only knows what hell

00:42:37.780 could break loose, as we've seen

00:42:39.520 repeatedly in places like the UK, for

00:42:42.260 example.

00:42:44.580 So the dwarves are protective of Snow White

00:42:49.560 and her beauty and serve a proper

00:42:55.020 paternal and partnership function.

00:43:00.420 They took great delight in her, but

00:43:01.820 didn't wake her up.

00:43:02.860 They let her sleep in the bed.

00:43:04.340 That's very generous of them.

00:43:05.620 They're very hospitable, which also

00:43:07.180 indicates their essential morality.

00:43:09.360 Well, the seventh dwarf spent an hour in

00:43:11.000 each one of his companions' bed until

00:43:12.500 the night had passed.

00:43:13.660 When she awoke, they asked her who she

00:43:15.960 was and how she had managed to come to

00:43:17.540 their cottage.

00:43:18.860 Then she told them how her mother had

00:43:20.480 wanted to have her killed, how the

00:43:22.340 huntsman had spared her life, and how

00:43:24.000 she had run all day until she had

00:43:25.900 eventually arrived at the cottage.

00:43:28.160 Then the dwarfs took pity on her and

00:43:30.000 said,

00:43:30.480 If you'll keep house for us, cook,

00:43:33.200 sew, make the beds, wash and knit, and

00:43:35.180 if you'll keep everything neat and

00:43:36.360 orderly, you can stay with us and we'll

00:43:38.600 provide you with everything you need.

00:43:40.820 When we come home in the evening,

00:43:42.520 dinner must be ready.

00:43:43.840 During the day, we're in the mines and

00:43:45.480 dig for gold.

00:43:46.380 You'll be alone.

00:43:47.140 We'll have to watch out for the queen

00:43:48.840 and not let anyone enter the cottage.

00:43:51.640 Okay, so what's the deal here?

00:43:53.840 Well, Snow White has run from the

00:43:59.500 destructive force of her evil mother and

00:44:02.860 the most pathological element of nature and

00:44:05.820 plunged deep into the unknown where she

00:44:08.560 found the dwarfs who are emblematic of

00:44:11.800 the stable patriarchy, the stable, ordinary,

00:44:15.280 productive patriarchy.

00:44:17.040 Now, the deal for her is that she has to

00:44:19.860 serve the dwarfs and they'll protect her

00:44:23.740 from the evil queen.

00:44:25.520 So that's a pretty good deal given that

00:44:27.760 the evil queen wants to eat her lungs and

00:44:29.980 her liver, so is posing a mortal threat.

00:44:33.060 And it's indicative of the notion that

00:44:36.720 prior to finding a prince, you might say,

00:44:41.440 and finding permanent protection from the

00:44:44.140 evil queen in the form of a stable, long-term,

00:44:48.360 desirable partnership, a marriage, the

00:44:52.420 young woman threatened by the evil queen,

00:44:56.420 which is the eternal archetypal situation of

00:44:59.320 isolated young women, has to make a pact to

00:45:03.380 serve ordinary masculinity, right?

00:45:05.900 To partner with ordinary masculinity, to

00:45:08.520 have respect for it, to understand its

00:45:10.860 productive function, and to know that it's

00:45:13.600 ordinary masculinity, you might say, that

00:45:16.980 stops female pathology from making itself

00:45:21.780 manifest as the ultimately destructive force it

00:45:24.680 can all too easily become, right?

00:45:27.460 So what's the moral of the story as we

00:45:30.220 proceed?

00:45:31.400 If you want to find a prince and escape from

00:45:33.640 the evil queen, you have to serve the dwarfs

00:45:36.280 with some degree of gratitude and

00:45:41.300 conscientious dedication, right?

00:45:45.200 With some real emphasis on gratitude.

00:45:47.880 And why?

00:45:48.820 Well, better the dwarfs than the evil queen,

00:45:51.540 right, which is exactly the opposite of the

00:45:54.460 feminist narrative, which is that there are

00:45:57.780 only power-mad, pathological men, and all

00:46:03.260 that's feminine is benevolent.

00:46:05.220 It's like, yeah, right, God.

00:46:08.740 In the meantime, the queen believed that she

00:46:11.540 was once again the most beautiful woman in

00:46:13.260 the land, and stepped before her mirror and

00:46:15.540 asked, mirror, mirror on the wall, who in this

00:46:18.980 land is fairest of all, the mirror answered.

00:46:21.860 You, my queen, have a beauty quite rare, but

00:46:23.820 beyond the seven mountains, this I must tell.

00:46:26.380 Little Snow White is living quite well.

00:46:29.200 Indeed, she's still a thousand times more

00:46:31.600 fair.

00:46:32.400 Hmm.

00:46:33.300 So what does this mean for the poor queen?

00:46:35.600 Well, you know, at one level of analysis, the

00:46:39.140 queen is battling against her own daughter.

00:46:41.480 But at a different level of analysis, the

00:46:43.800 aging woman is battling against youth itself.

00:46:48.020 And even if she does manage to destroy her own

00:46:53.080 child so happily, sadistically, and delightfully,

00:46:58.800 with envy and spite making themselves manifest as

00:47:03.860 primary motivations aligned with pride, let's

00:47:07.380 say, even if she manages that, she's not going to win

00:47:12.240 the ultimate battle because age is always supplanted by

00:47:19.100 youth.

00:47:20.520 No, it's, reproduction is a young woman's game.

00:47:24.560 And so it's less intense for men, although men are more

00:47:27.580 fertile when they're younger.

00:47:29.000 But for women, youth and reproduction are intensely

00:47:34.180 associated.

00:47:34.240 And the battle of the aging woman against her own daughter is

00:47:39.140 a microcosm of the battle of age against youth.

00:47:42.360 And on the fertility front, let's say the sexual

00:47:46.500 attractiveness front, as well, to a large degree, at least the

00:47:51.200 natural sexual attractiveness front, the evil queen is not going

00:47:58.120 to be able to stamp out youth itself.

00:48:01.040 Although, you know, in cultures where the old women cover all the

00:48:06.300 young women up so that you can't even see their eyes, the vicious

00:48:12.360 battle of envious age in women against the beauty and attractiveness of

00:48:19.180 young women has been taken to a staggering extreme.

00:48:22.180 I suppose most thoroughly made manifest in the absolutely brutal practice of

00:48:29.280 female genital mutilation, which is also, by the way, often undertaken by

00:48:34.400 grandmothers.

00:48:36.480 When the queen heard this, her mirror's objection, she was horrified, for she

00:48:40.900 saw that she had been deceived and that the huntsman had not killed little

00:48:44.280 Snow White.

00:48:45.640 Since nobody but the seven dwarfs lived in the Seven Mountains region, the queen

00:48:49.860 immediately knew that little Snow White was dwelling with them and began once

00:48:54.100 again plotting ways to kill her.

00:48:57.780 As long as the mirror refused to say that she was the most beautiful woman in

00:49:01.380 the land, she would remain upset.

00:49:04.480 Since she couldn't be absolutely certain and didn't trust anyone, she disguised

00:49:08.980 herself as an old peddler woman, painted her face so that nobody could

00:49:13.260 recognize her, and went to the cottage of the seven dwarfs, where she knocked at

00:49:17.040 the door and cried out,

00:49:18.000 Open up, open up. I'm the old peddler woman. I've got pretty wares for sale.

00:49:23.000 Little Snow White looked out the window.

00:49:25.600 What do you have for sale?

00:49:27.760 Stay laces, dear child.

00:49:29.780 That's a corset.

00:49:32.760 It's a corset.

00:49:34.780 The old woman replied and took out a lace woven from yellow, red, and blue silk.

00:49:38.920 Do you want it?

00:49:40.160 Well, yes, said Little Snow White.

00:49:42.120 If I remember correctly, women spend 80% of the consumer dollar.

00:49:47.860 It's a very interesting statistic.

00:49:49.660 So, men might have an advantage on the earning side, slight.

00:49:54.240 It's about 8%, something like that.

00:49:57.020 And that has virtually nothing to do with prejudice against women, by the way, if the statistics

00:50:04.720 are calculated properly.

00:50:06.480 But women have a marked advantage on the spending side, and it's a real toss-up.

00:50:11.480 Who has more power?

00:50:12.860 The people who make the money or the people who spend it?

00:50:15.760 In any case, Snow White is interested in shopping, and so the old peddler woman has some wares

00:50:24.000 for her.

00:50:24.440 Now, she lets her inside.

00:50:28.240 Well, yes, do you want it?

00:50:30.000 Well, yes, said Little Snow White, thought.

00:50:31.660 I can certainly let her.

00:50:33.740 This good old woman inside, she's honest enough.

00:50:36.800 What does she think?

00:50:37.620 She just wants to make me beautiful.

00:50:39.460 She just wants to do something for me.

00:50:41.900 Okay, so Little Snow White unbolted the door and bought the lace.

00:50:46.520 My goodness, you're so sloppily laced up, said the old woman.

00:50:49.440 Come on, I'll lace you up properly for once.

00:50:52.240 Little Snow White stood in front of the old woman, who took the lace and tied it around

00:50:55.840 Little Snow White so tightly that she lost her breath and fell down as if dead.

00:51:00.960 Then the queen was satisfied and left.

00:51:02.800 Well, let's think about a corset for a minute.

00:51:06.340 And so, you know, the feminist scuttlebutt is that the Victorian proclivity to use corsets

00:51:15.160 was a imposition of the masculine superstructure.

00:51:19.840 But women compete with one another to make manifest their signs of beauty and fertility and don't

00:51:30.760 need men to intercede to make that happen.

00:51:34.320 Now, it was the case that in Victorian England, corset use could become so extreme that it

00:51:42.200 interfered with breathing and sometimes even caused death.

00:51:45.760 So what does that point to at a deeper level?

00:51:48.600 The evil queen, it's so awful.

00:51:51.460 The evil queen entices Snow White to maximize her attractiveness in a manner that compromises

00:52:04.700 not only her health but her life.

00:52:07.080 And that's, if you can't see that playing out in our society at the moment, then you're

00:52:14.700 not paying attention.

00:52:16.020 Some of you might be familiar with Bonnie Blue, the prostitute in the UK who's slept with,

00:52:29.840 had sex with 100 men in one night and is now attempting 1,000, apparently.

00:52:38.680 Her mother is her business manager.

00:52:40.740 And if you think that's all right, and you're female, well, then you're definitely the evil

00:52:47.160 queen.

00:52:47.520 And if you think that's all right and you're male, you're not even a dwarf.

00:52:51.860 And so you can give that some consideration.

00:52:55.960 Little Snow White stood in front of the old woman who took the lace and tied it around.

00:53:00.080 Little Snow White so tightly that she lost her breath and fell down as if dead.

00:53:04.160 Then the queen was satisfied and left.

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00:53:37.940 So that's a very sophisticated method of fertility suppression.

00:53:43.640 Entice young women into advertising themselves sexually so brutally and in such an all-consuming

00:53:51.760 manner that it interferes with spirit, that's breath, and life itself.

00:53:57.520 Jesus, brutal.

00:53:59.100 Not long after nightfall, the dwarves came home, and when they saw their dear Snow White

00:54:04.500 lying on the ground, they were horrified, for she seemed to be dead.

00:54:08.800 They lifted her up, and when they saw that she was laced too tightly, they cut the stay

00:54:14.520 lace in two.

00:54:15.460 So it's the men, it's the dwarves that rescue Snow White from the pathologization of her own

00:54:22.980 sexuality, right?

00:54:24.400 It's not the bloody dwarves who put her in the corset and make it impossible for her to

00:54:30.420 breathe.

00:54:30.760 It's her own mother, her own evil mother, right?

00:54:35.180 At once, she began to breathe a little, and after a while, she had fully revived.

00:54:39.500 So the dwarves, with their essential, ordinary, conscientious, masculine sensibility, are able

00:54:49.440 to protect Snow White against the pathologization of her own sexual attractiveness at the hands

00:54:56.620 of the evil queen, right?

00:54:58.320 So the dwarves can manage that.

00:55:00.760 That was nobody else but the queen, they said.

00:55:03.180 Pay attention to the dwarves.

00:55:04.800 It's not us.

00:55:06.280 It's your evil mother.

00:55:08.100 She wanted to take your life.

00:55:10.620 Be careful, and don't let anyone else enter the cottage.

00:55:15.120 Now the queen asked her mirror, mirror, mirror on the wall, who in this land is fairest of all?

00:55:21.200 The mirror answered, you, my queen, may have a beauty, quite rare, but little Snow White's

00:55:26.240 alive.

00:55:27.420 This I must tell.

00:55:28.640 She's with the dwarves and doing quite well.

00:55:31.480 Indeed, she's still a thousand times more fair.

00:55:34.780 The queen was so horrified that all her blood rushed to her heart when she realized that

00:55:39.980 little Snow White was alive once again.

00:55:42.760 So she began thinking day and night how she could put an end to little Snow White.

00:55:48.600 Finally, she made a poisoned comb, disguised herself in a completely different shape, and

00:55:53.660 went off to the dwarves' cottage once again.

00:55:55.980 When she knocked on the door, however, little Snow White called out,

00:55:58.680 I'm not allowed to let anyone enter.

00:56:01.400 The queen then took out the comb.

00:56:04.260 So now Snow White, you see, Snow White gets enticed in some ways by her own vanity, right?

00:56:10.560 Now the dwarves have told her, be careful who you let in, right?

00:56:15.040 Remember in the story of Cain and Abel, that when Cain becomes possessed by envy, in consequence

00:56:22.740 of the failure of his own second-rate sacrifices, he invites the spirit of murderous sin in to

00:56:31.820 possess him as a voluntary response to his own pathological inadequacy.

00:56:39.620 Pathological and voluntary inadequacy.

00:56:41.780 He has to invite the pathological agent in, and that's what Snow White does, right?

00:56:48.600 She does that because she wants first the lace stay and then the comb.

00:56:54.240 And so she's enticed by the opportunity to make the most of her own beauty, which is an

00:57:02.880 understandable motivation.

00:57:04.620 She's enticed by that motivation to hearken to the voice of the evil and destructive queen.

00:57:10.680 So that's a morality tale about the danger of vanity, right?

00:57:17.880 When little Snow White saw it shine, the comb, so it's a shiny comb, right?

00:57:22.460 It's glittery.

00:57:23.720 It's numinous in Rudolf Otto's phrase.

00:57:25.980 It attracts her attention.

00:57:28.120 And so I suppose that's why the queen brought the comb.

00:57:30.380 When little Snow White saw it shine, so it's a phenomenon.

00:57:37.780 Phenomenon, that's a word from the Greek root, phenisthai.

00:57:42.120 Phenisthai means to shine forth.

00:57:44.560 Something that shines attracts your attention, right?

00:57:48.580 It's, and things attract your attention because they, they what?

00:57:52.800 They speak to a conscious or unconscious motivational force.

00:57:58.920 So Snow White would like to make use of her beauty.

00:58:03.260 And fair enough, but there's great danger in making use of your beauty.

00:58:08.220 Come, said the peddler woman.

00:58:10.560 When she, when little Snow White saw it shine and that the woman was someone entirely different

00:58:15.560 from the one she had previously met.

00:58:17.380 Yeah, she was entirely different on the surface.

00:58:19.540 So there's different manifestations of the evil queen pathology, all selling something

00:58:25.560 hypothetically different, but they're all avatars of the same underlying pathological

00:58:33.240 fertility suppressing, devouring dragon force.

00:58:40.000 When she saw that the woman was someone entirely different from the one she had previously met,

00:58:44.320 she opened the door and bought the comb.

00:58:46.160 Come, said the peddler woman.

00:58:47.480 I'll also comb your hair.

00:58:49.540 How she's so thoughtful and helpful, right?

00:58:53.080 So you see, that's part of that camouflaged pathology.

00:58:56.460 The little peddler, the, the, the peddler woman to begin with, who has the lace stays

00:59:01.720 offers to lace Snow White up properly and then to comb her hair.

00:59:07.040 And so she's disguising her murderously destructive, reproductive, savaging pathology in a show of maternal compassion.

00:59:20.840 Brutal, brutal.

00:59:22.980 But no sooner did the old woman stick the comb in little Snow White's hair than the maiden fell down and was dead.

00:59:30.000 Now you'll remain lying there, the queen said, and her heart had become lighter as she returned home.

00:59:36.340 However, the dwarves came just in the nick of time.

00:59:39.720 When they saw what had happened, they pulled the poison comb out of little Snow White's hair and she opened her eyes and was alive again.

00:59:46.800 Okay, so that's the second time this is insisted upon in this fairy tale, right?

00:59:51.900 The dwarves are not the masculine patriarchal force of the ordinary, of the ordinary society of men who entice young women to become pathologized in pursuit of beauty.

01:00:08.000 In fact, they're the force that protects themselves against the intense female competition that tilts that struggling for supremacy in beauty and attractiveness in a spirit-destroying and murderous direction.

01:00:25.920 So that's why it's so important for Snow White to learn to serve the dwarves, to be grateful for them and to be able to establish a relationship of mutuality with ordinary masculinity, right?

01:00:42.940 And this is as a precursor to meeting the prince, right?

01:00:47.360 And so you might say, well, a woman who's indefinitely proud, particularly of her own attractiveness, might have nothing but contempt for the dwarves.

01:00:58.340 But what this story indicates is that she'll be vulnerable beyond belief to the machinations of the evil queen in consequence.

01:01:08.440 And without that ability to be grateful to ordinary masculinity, the prince will never make himself, the prince will never make his appearance.

01:01:21.280 And so why would the best of men make an appearance in a woman's life if the woman was pathologically incapable of having any respect whatsoever or offering any service in return for protection to masculinity as such?

01:01:42.720 There, that's something worth thinking about in a time when gratitude for the benevolent element of the patriarchy is slowly, sorely lacking.

01:01:54.320 The dwarves came just in the nick of time when they saw what had happened.

01:01:57.740 They pulled the poison comb out of little Snow White's hair and she was alive again.

01:02:03.180 She promised the dwarves that she would certainly not let anyone inside again.

01:02:06.680 Okay, so, you know, they tell Snow White a number of times, but she's really too immature and too easily tempted, both of those, to protect herself against a force as pathological as the evil queen.

01:02:22.300 And so that's worth thinking about too.

01:02:24.080 It's too much to ask a truly young woman to make the wisdom manifest that would be necessary for her to see through the disguises of the evil queen and her proclivity to use temptation in service of murderous pathology.

01:02:45.980 It's too much to ask that a young woman will be wise enough on her own to protect herself from the poison gifts of the evil queen.

01:02:58.120 Right, she needs the intermediary of the dwarves.

01:03:02.020 And so, well, that would be, for the typical young woman, that would be the protective phalanx of her brothers and her father.

01:03:11.240 Now the queen stepped in front of her mirror once more and asked,

01:03:15.400 Mirror, mirror on the wall, who in this land is fairest of all?

01:03:19.800 The mirror answered,

01:03:21.440 You, my queen, may have a beauty quite rare, but little Snow White's alive.

01:03:25.380 This I must tell.

01:03:26.580 She's with the dwarves and doing quite well.

01:03:28.880 Indeed, she's still a thousand times more fair.

01:03:33.220 When the queen heard this once again, she trembled and shook with rage.

01:03:37.040 Little Snow White shall die, she exclaimed.

01:03:39.800 Even if it costs me my own life.

01:03:43.100 Yeah, well, that's an enemy that's pretty hard to stand up against, you know.

01:03:47.820 Someone who will light themselves on fire just to singe you.

01:03:52.780 And if you don't think people are capable of that kind of hatred at all costs,

01:03:57.600 then you don't know much about human psychopathology.

01:04:01.740 You know, those people who shoot up schools and that commit suicide

01:04:05.740 when they could just as easily do things in the reverse order

01:04:09.500 and save everyone a lot of trouble.

01:04:12.200 It's like they're capping off of their murderous rage

01:04:15.940 with their own self-destruction is actually part of the art.

01:04:20.360 They know perfectly well that even if their motivation is suicidal,

01:04:24.720 that the biggest manifestation of resentment and spite

01:04:30.020 with regards to the structure of reality and their fellow man

01:04:34.020 and their own spirit and God himself

01:04:35.740 is to create the maximum amount of mayhem possible

01:04:39.360 in the most viciously sadistic way

01:04:41.520 and to cap that off with a demonstration

01:04:43.660 that even their own life is worth nothing,

01:04:46.380 especially in relationship to their desire for revenge

01:04:52.020 and their capacity for spite.

01:04:56.540 Then she went into a secret chamber

01:04:58.500 where no one was allowed to enter.

01:05:00.860 So this is like the heart of her poison, right?

01:05:04.720 So the bodice was one thing, the stays, the corset.

01:05:09.280 The poison comb was another.

01:05:11.140 This gets to the heart of the matter.

01:05:12.760 She goes to where the most genuine evil is made manifest.

01:05:18.160 Once inside, she made a deadly poisonous apple.

01:05:21.160 Well, why an apple?

01:05:22.660 Well, an apple is the fruit of the tree

01:05:25.560 of the knowledge of good and evil, right?

01:05:27.860 The apple is the thing that you incorporate that changes you.

01:05:31.780 The apple is information.

01:05:33.620 The apple is education.

01:05:35.640 The apple is ideology.

01:05:37.440 The apple is an idea rather than an artifact, right?

01:05:40.820 That's what it's symbolic of.

01:05:43.500 That's what it represents.

01:05:45.120 And so the first kinds of poison or death

01:05:49.660 that the pathological evil queen attempts to administer

01:05:54.260 to Snow White are pretty straightforward and basic, right?

01:05:57.440 Their appeals to her own vanity

01:05:59.880 in the form of pathologization of her attractiveness.

01:06:04.900 But this is a deeper form of poison, right?

01:06:08.100 It's a poison that strikes right to the soul.

01:06:10.580 Remember, it's the consuming of the apple

01:06:12.560 that is the original sin

01:06:15.260 that knocks Adam and Eve out of paradise.

01:06:17.540 The poisoned apple is, what is it?

01:06:20.640 It's pathological knowledge, right?

01:06:23.240 I think it's exactly the same

01:06:25.100 as the symbolic representation

01:06:27.380 of the kind of evil doctrine

01:06:29.320 that young women are fed

01:06:31.360 by jealous, miserable, single, bitter,

01:06:35.560 envious, resentful old women

01:06:37.700 to knock them out of the mating game,

01:06:40.920 partly to reduce competition

01:06:42.340 and partly just out of self-destructive spite.

01:06:48.260 A deadly poisonous apple.

01:06:51.200 On the outside, it looked beautiful

01:06:52.760 with red cheeks, right?

01:06:54.620 Red cheeks.

01:06:55.340 So the apple is red cheeks.

01:06:56.800 It's emblematic of health itself,

01:06:58.800 of flourishing health, right?

01:07:01.480 If you wanted to be a healthy young woman,

01:07:03.900 this is obviously the apple that you would eat.

01:07:06.960 And that's exactly what young women are taught

01:07:09.120 in today's universities, right?

01:07:11.520 To pursue that path of career

01:07:14.220 that now has left

01:07:16.300 the prioritization of self-interest.

01:07:19.760 It's not precisely career.

01:07:21.180 The prioritization of narrow self-interest

01:07:24.360 that compromises their youth

01:07:26.520 and leaves 50% of women in the West

01:07:29.840 childless at the age of 30

01:07:31.900 with the probability that 90% of them

01:07:34.800 will regret that as the years pass by.

01:07:38.380 Apple, beautiful, with red cheeks.

01:07:40.980 Anyone who saw it would be enticed

01:07:42.780 to take a bite.

01:07:43.660 Well, so this is propaganda

01:07:44.920 in its most attractive form.

01:07:47.640 It's like, well,

01:07:48.360 if this is what you were offered,

01:07:49.980 of course you'd take it.

01:07:51.180 It sounds like you could have it all.

01:07:53.340 Young women, you can have it all.

01:07:56.240 Yeah, well, the question is,

01:07:58.540 who's offering that particular apple?

01:08:00.520 And what exactly is their motivation?

01:08:02.740 We're just looking out for our younger sisters.

01:08:05.380 It's like, yeah,

01:08:06.160 maybe you're looking out for them

01:08:07.480 and maybe you're a manifestation

01:08:09.160 of the evil queen

01:08:10.560 whose fundamental motivation

01:08:13.220 is to devour their liver and lungs.

01:08:17.660 Yeah, well, thereafter,

01:08:19.440 she disguised herself as a peasant woman.

01:08:22.260 A lowly woman,

01:08:24.500 not a haughty beauty.

01:08:26.400 Went to the dwarf's cottage

01:08:27.600 and knocked on the door.

01:08:28.900 Little Snow White looked and said,

01:08:30.320 I'm not allowed to have anyone inside.

01:08:32.240 The seven dwarfs have strictly forbidden me.

01:08:34.920 Well, if you don't want to let me in,

01:08:36.880 I can't force you,

01:08:38.420 answered the delightful peasant woman.

01:08:40.880 Right, emblematic of the oppressed working class.

01:08:44.120 I'll surely get rid of my apples in time.

01:08:46.500 I have something that everyone wants,

01:08:48.340 obviously, but let me give you one

01:08:50.540 to test another manifestation

01:08:53.040 of her evil making itself camouflaged

01:08:57.500 in the guise of care and compassion.

01:09:00.840 No, said little Snow White.

01:09:02.300 I'm not allowed to take anything.

01:09:03.840 The dwarfs won't let me.

01:09:05.360 Yeah, well, you see,

01:09:06.200 that's the sensible manifestation

01:09:08.040 of the ordinary productive patriarchal impulse

01:09:11.660 inside her,

01:09:13.320 protecting herself from the depredations

01:09:15.440 of predatory, competitive females.

01:09:19.020 You're probably afraid.

01:09:21.120 Yeah, said the old woman.

01:09:23.240 Look, I'll cut the apple in two.

01:09:25.000 You eat the beautiful red half.

01:09:27.580 However, the apple had been made

01:09:28.960 with such cunning

01:09:29.660 that only the red part was poisoned.

01:09:32.780 When little Snow White saw

01:09:34.020 the peasant woman eating her half

01:09:35.580 and when her desire to taste the apple

01:09:37.660 grew stronger,

01:09:38.760 she finally let the peasant woman

01:09:40.280 give her the other half

01:09:41.420 through the window.

01:09:43.120 As soon as she took a bite of the apple,

01:09:44.700 she fell to the ground and was dead.

01:09:47.120 The queen rejoiced,

01:09:48.760 went home and asked the mirror,

01:09:50.680 mirror, mirror on the wall,

01:09:52.360 who in this land is the fairest of them all?

01:09:54.800 And the mirror answered,

01:09:56.200 you, my queen, are now the fairest of all.

01:09:58.540 So the evil queen produced

01:10:02.840 the pathological fruit of knowledge

01:10:05.900 that dooms Snow White to death,

01:10:10.220 administering it under the guise of compassion

01:10:13.920 and caring in the form of a fruit

01:10:16.900 so attractive that anyone with eyes

01:10:20.080 would be tempted to take it.

01:10:22.820 Brutal.

01:10:24.420 Now I can rest in peace, she said.

01:10:26.120 Once again, I'm the most beautiful in the land

01:10:27.920 and Snow White will remain dead this time.

01:10:31.360 So couldn't kill her with the bodice

01:10:34.020 or the corset,

01:10:35.460 couldn't kill her with the poisonous comb,

01:10:36.900 but could certainly kill her

01:10:38.600 with the consumption of the fatal apple.

01:10:43.460 When the dwarfs came home from the mines that evening,

01:10:45.600 they found little Snow White lying on the ground

01:10:47.700 and she was dead.

01:10:48.940 They unlaced her and tried to find

01:10:50.340 something poisonous in her hair,

01:10:51.720 but nothing helped.

01:10:52.720 They couldn't revive her.

01:10:53.880 Okay, so what does that mean?

01:10:57.300 The core element of the evil queen

01:11:00.800 is so unbelievably pathological,

01:11:04.860 so destructive,

01:11:07.140 that ordinary, conscientious, diligent,

01:11:11.320 protective masculinity

01:11:12.880 is revealed as insufficient

01:11:16.040 to redress the poison.

01:11:20.220 Right, so that's why the queen,

01:11:23.380 the prince has to come along, right?

01:11:26.020 It's only the higher order form of masculinity

01:11:29.000 that's associated with true nobility

01:11:31.940 and true courage

01:11:34.080 that has the archetypal force,

01:11:40.700 you might say,

01:11:42.020 to provide true protection

01:11:45.180 from the depredations of the evil queen.

01:11:48.680 Well, Snow White is the helpmeet of the dwarfs, right?

01:11:56.920 But there's no individualized relationship there.

01:11:59.900 She hasn't moved beyond

01:12:01.520 cooperation with the social patriarchy as such

01:12:08.460 to the establishment of a personalized relationship

01:12:12.780 with an individual and identifiable man, right?

01:12:17.980 So she's still in the land of generic masculinity,

01:12:21.380 and that's a hell of a lot better

01:12:24.120 than the land of pathological,

01:12:26.660 evil queen, destructive femininity,

01:12:29.860 but it's not a relationship

01:12:32.220 that's of sufficient depth and intensity

01:12:36.660 to provide protection

01:12:39.220 against the most fatal

01:12:42.220 of feminine poisons.

01:12:48.900 They couldn't revive her,

01:12:50.600 so they laid her on a beer,

01:12:51.980 and all seven of them sat down beside it

01:12:53.800 and wept for three whole days.

01:12:55.900 Then they intended to bury her,

01:12:57.420 but she still looked more alive than dead,

01:12:59.400 and she still had such pretty red cheeks.

01:13:01.880 So instead, they made a glass coffin

01:13:03.640 and placed her inside

01:13:04.640 so that she could easily be seen.

01:13:06.260 So they're worshiping her in a sense

01:13:09.680 even in her poisoned and near-dead state.

01:13:13.940 They still value her, right?

01:13:16.040 So what does that mean?

01:13:18.360 It means that the ordinary men

01:13:22.820 apprehending an attractive young woman

01:13:27.140 who has been poisoned

01:13:28.900 by the teachings of the evil queen

01:13:32.140 still hope in their soul

01:13:36.080 for the revivification of her spirit,

01:13:40.220 but are unable to match the machinations

01:13:44.460 of the evil queen themselves, right?

01:13:48.080 So they stand back and observe,

01:13:50.240 and that's all they can do.

01:13:52.660 They wrote her name on the coffin

01:13:54.360 in gold letters,

01:13:55.560 showing how much they value her,

01:13:57.000 and added the family name.

01:13:58.620 One of the dwarfs remained at home every day

01:14:00.320 to keep watch over her.

01:14:02.080 So Snow White lay in the coffin

01:14:03.880 for a long, long time.

01:14:06.280 Right, so now she's,

01:14:08.080 that's failure to launch.

01:14:09.480 Now she's in a state of suspended animation

01:14:11.920 because of her poison knowledge,

01:14:15.800 because of her receipt of the poisoned apple.

01:14:18.380 She is mimicking life,

01:14:20.840 but is unconscious

01:14:23.320 and unable to fully participate.

01:14:26.460 She was still white as snow

01:14:27.560 and red as blood,

01:14:28.420 and if her eyes could have opened,

01:14:29.520 they would have been black as ebony,

01:14:30.940 for she lay there

01:14:31.800 as if she were sleeping.

01:14:33.140 Now it happened

01:14:34.180 that a prince

01:14:35.240 came to the dwarfs' cottage one day

01:14:37.460 and wanted to spend the night there.

01:14:39.360 So what's a prince?

01:14:40.780 Well, a prince actually wants

01:14:42.420 to have a relationship

01:14:43.680 with the individual woman.

01:14:45.880 He wants to take on that responsibility.

01:14:47.800 He has the power

01:14:50.260 and the capability

01:14:51.360 to bring her to a place

01:14:54.060 in consequence

01:14:55.720 of that individualized relationship

01:14:57.760 that offers her

01:14:59.240 both protection and opportunity

01:15:01.260 that's of such high quality

01:15:04.300 that the depredations

01:15:07.000 of the evil queen

01:15:08.140 and her temptations

01:15:09.580 are defeated.

01:15:11.800 That's what a prince is.

01:15:14.380 And it's the individualized relationship

01:15:16.560 that's of crucial importance.

01:15:20.580 When he entered the room

01:15:21.640 and saw little Snow White

01:15:22.660 lying in the coffin

01:15:23.500 and the seven little candles

01:15:24.680 casting their light right on her,

01:15:26.280 he couldn't get enough of her beauty.

01:15:28.200 Then he read the golden inscription

01:15:29.560 and saw that she was a princess.

01:15:33.000 So he asked the dwarfs

01:15:34.180 to sell him the coffin

01:15:35.200 with the dead little Snow White inside,

01:15:37.500 but they wouldn't accept

01:15:38.500 all the gold in the world for it.

01:15:40.300 Then he pleaded with them

01:15:41.440 to give little Snow White

01:15:42.720 to him as a gift

01:15:43.640 because he couldn't live

01:15:45.180 without gazing upon her

01:15:46.380 and that he would honor her

01:15:47.540 and hold her in high regard

01:15:49.120 as his most beloved in the world.

01:15:51.480 Well, so that's so interesting, eh?

01:15:53.060 Because the dwarfs

01:15:53.840 are protecting Snow White

01:15:55.080 and they have a relationship with her,

01:15:56.960 although it's more fraternal

01:15:59.160 or paternal.

01:16:00.660 And they aren't interested

01:16:02.780 in capitalizing

01:16:04.460 on her attractiveness.

01:16:06.900 And they are willing,

01:16:08.080 however, they are willing

01:16:09.220 to turn her over

01:16:10.340 to the prince

01:16:11.860 if he promises,

01:16:14.340 so this is what good men do

01:16:16.000 when they're protecting

01:16:17.260 an attractive

01:16:18.500 and worthy young woman.

01:16:22.900 They're willing to deliver her

01:16:25.700 to the proper prince

01:16:27.740 who can protect her

01:16:29.500 from the evil queen

01:16:30.620 if he swears

01:16:33.460 to honor her

01:16:34.880 and hold her

01:16:35.480 in high regard

01:16:36.120 as his most beloved

01:16:37.200 in the world.

01:16:38.940 Well, the dwarfs

01:16:39.720 took pity on him

01:16:40.720 and gave him the coffin

01:16:41.720 where the poisoned girl

01:16:45.320 lies languishing.

01:16:48.220 God, that's the story

01:16:50.180 of many a modern romance.

01:16:54.160 And the prince had it

01:16:55.200 carried to his castle.

01:16:56.340 It was then placed

01:16:57.040 in his room

01:16:57.560 where he himself

01:16:58.260 sat the entire day

01:16:59.300 and couldn't take

01:17:00.240 his eyes off her.

01:17:01.620 So he can see

01:17:02.580 her potential life

01:17:04.760 even under the poisoned,

01:17:09.140 breathless death

01:17:10.080 that the incorporation

01:17:11.840 of the toxic fruit

01:17:13.780 has, has what?

01:17:16.280 Has, has doomed her to.

01:17:19.980 And when he had to leave

01:17:21.060 the room

01:17:21.380 and couldn't see

01:17:21.920 little Snow White,

01:17:22.640 he became sad.

01:17:23.600 Indeed, he couldn't eat a thing

01:17:24.920 unless he was standing

01:17:25.780 near the coffin.

01:17:27.440 However, the servants

01:17:28.260 who had to carry the coffin

01:17:29.300 from place to place

01:17:30.180 in the castle all the time

01:17:31.300 became angry about this.

01:17:33.220 And at one time

01:17:33.900 a servant opened the coffin,

01:17:36.280 lifted Snow White

01:17:37.080 into the air,

01:17:37.900 and said,

01:17:38.660 why must we be plagued

01:17:39.820 with so much work

01:17:40.740 all because of a dead maiden?

01:17:43.120 Yeah, well, there's no doubt

01:17:44.280 that it's a tremendous amount

01:17:46.220 of work

01:17:46.900 to revivify the spirit

01:17:49.200 of a young woman

01:17:51.400 who's been severely poisoned

01:17:53.740 by the worst work

01:17:54.920 of the evil queen.

01:17:57.040 On saying this,

01:17:58.020 he shoved

01:17:58.440 little Snow White's back

01:17:59.580 with his hand

01:18:00.200 and out popped

01:18:00.840 the nasty piece of apple

01:18:02.080 that had been stuck

01:18:03.180 in little Snow White's throat

01:18:04.700 and she was once again alive.

01:18:06.380 So once the languishing young girl

01:18:10.980 is brought to the castle

01:18:12.340 and attended to,

01:18:14.420 even with some degree

01:18:15.720 of harshness in this story,

01:18:17.520 loved and attended to,

01:18:19.180 then she has the possibility

01:18:22.100 of recovering from her state

01:18:25.300 of suspended animation

01:18:26.920 and lifelessness

01:18:28.600 and rejoining the world.

01:18:33.600 As soon as this happened,

01:18:34.900 she went to the prince

01:18:35.820 and when he saw his dear

01:18:38.120 Snow White alive,

01:18:39.540 he rejoiced so much

01:18:40.420 that he didn't know what to do.

01:18:41.720 Then they sat down

01:18:42.560 at the dinner table

01:18:43.320 and ate with delight.

01:18:44.260 The wedding was planned

01:18:46.300 for the next day.

01:18:47.320 By the way,

01:18:48.580 just so everyone knows,

01:18:50.900 there was no wedding

01:18:51.860 in the most recent version

01:18:53.180 of Snow White

01:18:53.860 and that bloody well figures.

01:18:56.140 There was a,

01:18:56.780 you know,

01:18:57.760 hedonistic celebration

01:18:59.720 that in principle

01:19:01.320 stood in for the wedding,

01:19:02.980 but the filmmakers

01:19:04.720 seemed pathologically

01:19:05.900 unable to understand

01:19:06.960 that the wedding

01:19:08.660 is the culmination

01:19:10.060 of the story, right?

01:19:11.100 Because that's the establishment

01:19:12.860 of that particularized relationship

01:19:14.700 between the poisoned

01:19:17.740 sleeping princess

01:19:19.060 and the true prince

01:19:20.960 who serves and honors her

01:19:23.920 and who delights

01:19:25.200 in her presence.

01:19:26.840 That establishment

01:19:28.400 of that permanent relationship

01:19:29.860 is the magic defense

01:19:33.820 against the poisonous fruit

01:19:38.000 delivered by the most

01:19:40.380 malevolent

01:19:44.220 of the evil queen's motivations.

01:19:48.720 The wedding was planned

01:19:49.680 for the next day

01:19:50.380 and Snow White's godless mother,

01:19:52.680 it's the first time we hear

01:19:53.440 that she was godless,

01:19:54.520 but she has a god, right?

01:19:56.060 That's her own reflection.

01:19:57.760 She's Narcissus

01:19:58.800 who falls in love

01:20:00.280 with his own reflection

01:20:01.220 and drowns in consequence, right?

01:20:03.060 He leans too close

01:20:04.540 to the river

01:20:05.480 where he can see

01:20:06.160 his reflection

01:20:06.800 and drowns, right?

01:20:08.360 She only worships

01:20:09.280 her own beauty,

01:20:11.180 which she had nothing to do

01:20:12.480 with bringing into the world,

01:20:14.400 so to speak,

01:20:15.020 and has no right

01:20:15.880 to be proud of,

01:20:18.120 much less to be murderous

01:20:19.640 in defense of.

01:20:21.440 When she now stepped

01:20:22.340 before the mirror,

01:20:23.100 she said,

01:20:23.660 mirror, mirror,

01:20:24.520 on the wall,

01:20:25.660 who in this land

01:20:26.540 is the fairest of all?

01:20:27.620 And the mirror replied,

01:20:29.860 you, my queen,

01:20:30.580 may have a beauty

01:20:31.300 quite rare,

01:20:32.180 but little Snow White

01:20:33.280 is a thousand times

01:20:34.960 more fair.

01:20:35.560 When she heard this,

01:20:37.080 she was horrified

01:20:38.060 and became so afraid,

01:20:40.940 so very afraid

01:20:41.760 that she didn't know

01:20:42.500 what to do.

01:20:43.620 Yeah, well,

01:20:44.380 the marriage of Snow White,

01:20:49.180 the awake Snow White,

01:20:50.700 to the prince

01:20:51.740 is the defeat

01:20:54.040 of the evil queen.

01:20:55.480 However,

01:20:56.000 her jealousy,

01:20:57.520 right,

01:20:58.340 a crucial insight,

01:20:59.940 however,

01:21:00.360 her jealousy,

01:21:02.000 what's she jealous of?

01:21:03.160 She's just jealous

01:21:04.280 of the fact

01:21:04.920 that Snow White

01:21:05.660 has established

01:21:06.460 a genuine relationship

01:21:07.620 with an actual prince.

01:21:09.360 Her jealousy

01:21:09.920 drove her so much

01:21:11.000 that she wanted

01:21:11.620 to be seen

01:21:12.700 at the wedding.

01:21:14.240 When she arrived,

01:21:15.800 she saw that

01:21:16.500 little Snow White

01:21:17.220 was the bride.

01:21:18.760 Ha!

01:21:19.640 Iron slippers

01:21:20.660 were then heated

01:21:21.520 over a fire.

01:21:22.860 The queen

01:21:23.300 had to put them on

01:21:24.840 and dance in them,

01:21:26.300 and her feet

01:21:27.000 were miserably burned.

01:21:28.920 but she had to

01:21:30.420 keep dancing in them

01:21:31.420 until she danced

01:21:32.600 herself to death.

01:21:35.700 Right,

01:21:36.340 well,

01:21:36.600 what's that ending?

01:21:37.960 Well,

01:21:38.280 how about the queen

01:21:39.300 ends up in hell?

01:21:41.240 And what's the hell?

01:21:44.220 What is she doing?

01:21:47.080 Well,

01:21:47.640 she was driven

01:21:48.200 to the wedding

01:21:48.720 by her own pride

01:21:49.720 and jealousy,

01:21:51.200 and she's consumed

01:21:53.640 by fire

01:21:56.140 in consequence

01:21:57.120 of her

01:21:57.900 pathology

01:22:00.600 and its

01:22:01.320 ultimate failure.

01:22:03.820 So,

01:22:04.760 that's Snow White,

01:22:07.860 and it's no bloody wonder

01:22:08.980 Disney rewrote it.

01:22:11.160 Thanks very much,

01:22:12.200 everybody,

01:22:12.620 for listening.

01:22:14.120 I may do more of these,

01:22:15.700 you know,

01:22:16.040 they're,

01:22:16.360 they're quite something.

01:22:19.480 It's amazing

01:22:20.260 how much information

01:22:21.260 a story can

01:22:23.080 contain.

01:22:24.720 You know,

01:22:25.060 and you might ask,

01:22:25.740 well,

01:22:25.980 did the authors

01:22:26.760 know

01:22:27.400 what they were

01:22:28.820 representing?

01:22:29.540 And the answer is,

01:22:30.280 you know,

01:22:30.540 we never know

01:22:31.100 the full extent

01:22:31.800 of anything

01:22:32.260 we communicate

01:22:32.920 or imagine.

01:22:34.200 Everything has

01:22:35.120 implications

01:22:36.100 beyond

01:22:36.660 what we

01:22:37.840 can apprehend.

01:22:39.600 I would say

01:22:40.620 that

01:22:40.940 the story

01:22:42.860 shaped itself

01:22:43.640 to be maximally

01:22:44.560 memorable

01:22:44.980 and striking

01:22:45.620 across time,

01:22:47.420 and

01:22:47.820 what's

01:22:49.280 maximally

01:22:50.120 memorable

01:22:50.560 and striking

01:22:51.380 has,

01:22:53.700 inevitably,

01:22:54.180 has the ring

01:22:54.980 of deep

01:22:55.860 truth about it.

01:22:57.480 And so,

01:22:58.140 that's how

01:22:59.220 such things

01:22:59.820 come to be.

01:23:01.360 Thanks for your

01:23:02.080 time and attention.

01:23:03.600 Bye-bye.

01:23:04.040 you

01:23:14.700 Thank you.

558. The Snow White Disney Doesn’t Want You To Know

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