The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast - 559. How to Stop Europe’s Collapse： What We Can Learn from Germany's Mistakes ｜ Christine Anderson

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00:00:28.080 Movement that inspires.

00:00:30.000 Germany is turning into a hellhole country. 0.94

00:00:34.500 We want policies, we want politics

00:00:36.180 that actually represent the people again.

00:00:39.340 You've got a radically centralized Europe

00:00:41.880 where the distance between the citizens and the government

00:00:45.300 grew to, like, slave tyrant proportions.

00:00:49.140 But now we are at a point where the peoples of Europe

00:00:53.600 are no longer sovereign.

00:00:54.800 Democratic principles are being abolished

00:00:58.180 pretty much across the board.

00:01:00.000 throughout every single Western democracy.

00:01:03.420 The real seat of power

00:01:04.820 and the real decision-making authority

00:01:06.680 rests with supranational organizations

00:01:09.840 like the WEF and the EU.

00:01:12.000 Hello, everybody.

00:01:29.420 I have a controversial guest today.

00:01:32.540 I suppose that's not particularly rare,

00:01:34.880 although she might be more controversial than most.

00:01:37.720 interviewing her,

00:01:40.720 interviewing her,

00:01:41.220 having the opportunity to interview her

00:01:43.180 brought to mind the conundrum I faced

00:01:47.820 when my wife and I talked with Tommy Robinson,

00:01:50.060 who brought the grooming gangs to the rape gangs

00:01:54.020 to widespread public attention in the UK.

00:01:57.200 Tommy, who is a man not without his flaws,

00:02:02.580 like all of us, by the way,

00:02:05.260 has been pilloried in the UK press as far right.

00:02:09.140 And that's the same fate that's befallen my guest,

00:02:12.360 Christine Anderson,

00:02:13.200 who's a member of parliament for the European parliament,

00:02:15.820 representing Germany,

00:02:17.780 Germany, Deutschland,

00:02:19.160 and the political party alternative for Deutschland,

00:02:23.060 the AFD,

00:02:24.020 which has also been described

00:02:26.120 by the progressive mob,

00:02:28.700 by the asleep liberals,

00:02:30.820 and by conservatives

00:02:32.260 who are attempting to virtue signal,

00:02:34.100 I think, in the same way,

00:02:35.480 as far right.

00:02:36.680 Well, I'm quite curious about the AFD

00:02:39.500 and its rise in Germany,

00:02:41.400 the rise of populist,

00:02:43.940 right-wing,

00:02:44.920 classic conservative parties

00:02:46.440 throughout Eastern Europe

00:02:47.540 and in Western Europe,

00:02:49.160 in Italy,

00:02:49.740 in Sweden,

00:02:50.600 in the Netherlands,

00:02:51.980 and with reform,

00:02:53.740 for example,

00:02:54.400 in the UK.

00:02:55.960 I'm very curious about this phenomenon

00:02:57.500 and this phenomenon,

00:03:00.000 and I don't,

00:03:01.660 I couldn't think of anyone better

00:03:03.120 to talk to about this

00:03:04.840 than Christine Anderson,

00:03:05.780 who's also on a tour in Canada.

00:03:09.380 And so it was an opportune time

00:03:11.180 to discuss immigration,

00:03:13.820 unrestricted immigration into Europe,

00:03:15.820 particularly into Germany,

00:03:17.240 the Euro,

00:03:18.080 the European Union,

00:03:19.400 globalization,

00:03:20.680 net zero,

00:03:21.660 and the COVID tyranny.

00:03:24.660 And so join us for that.

00:03:26.820 On a related note,

00:03:28.400 by the way,

00:03:29.060 because I'm very interested in

00:03:30.620 what is happening in Europe,

00:03:32.920 I'm going on tour with my wife

00:03:35.000 at the end of January

00:03:36.500 till the end of March,

00:03:38.760 35,

00:03:39.540 40 European cities.

00:03:42.100 I've been there a couple of times

00:03:43.580 and it was great.

00:03:45.500 I'm going there to share

00:03:47.460 what I have to say

00:03:48.320 and to listen.

00:03:49.120 And so if you're interested

00:03:50.580 in that,

00:03:52.060 and hearing me speak,

00:03:53.060 and participating in the events,

00:03:54.460 go to jordanbpeterson.com

00:03:56.580 and check out the tour

00:03:58.020 for January through March of 2026.

00:04:02.640 Thanks very much

00:04:03.660 and on with the show.

00:04:06.200 So I've been particularly nervous,

00:04:09.680 I would say,

00:04:10.580 in the last few years

00:04:12.000 about two podcasts

00:04:14.560 that I've done.

00:04:15.800 I had a period of illness

00:04:17.480 and when I came back

00:04:18.520 to start my podcast up again

00:04:20.100 in earnest,

00:04:20.620 I interviewed Abigail Schreier

00:04:22.080 and she wrote

00:04:24.040 Irreversible Damage.

00:04:25.780 She was one of the 0.56

00:04:26.580 earliest critics

00:04:27.960 of the so-called

00:04:29.400 gender-affirming care movement,

00:04:31.820 which is composed

00:04:33.280 of a pack of

00:04:34.120 ideologically addled 1.00

00:04:35.640 sadistic butchers 0.99

00:04:37.460 in my estimation.

00:04:38.960 And I felt that way then,

00:04:40.780 although the situation

00:04:42.140 was even worse

00:04:42.920 than I had initially imagined.

00:04:45.180 And so that made me

00:04:46.780 quite nervous

00:04:47.360 because at that time,

00:04:48.540 three or four years ago,

00:04:51.080 it was reputationally risky

00:04:54.500 to take on the woke mob

00:04:57.780 with their latest delusion.

00:05:00.100 And more recently,

00:05:01.260 I interviewed Tommy Robinson

00:05:03.700 twice,

00:05:05.060 both times with my wife,

00:05:06.780 partly because both of us

00:05:07.820 had been following him

00:05:08.660 for a long time.

00:05:09.480 And, you know,

00:05:12.040 we come from

00:05:12.540 a working-class background,

00:05:13.960 Tammy and I,

00:05:14.620 and I am accustomed

00:05:17.200 to people like Tommy.

00:05:19.640 And, but more importantly,

00:05:22.060 I'd been following him,

00:05:24.620 the two of us

00:05:25.240 had been following him

00:05:26.000 for about 15 years.

00:05:27.480 And as far as we were concerned,

00:05:29.840 he was pretty much

00:05:30.720 the only person in the UK.

00:05:32.420 There's some exceptions,

00:05:33.500 but he was very early on

00:05:35.020 who was drawing

00:05:36.540 public attention

00:05:37.320 to the absolutely scandalous,

00:05:41.800 depraved rape gang situation

00:05:43.700 in the UK. 0.72

00:05:44.240 And, you know,

00:05:45.080 and the Casey report

00:05:45.880 just came out, right?

00:05:47.460 And that was commissioned

00:05:48.960 by the Labour government

00:05:50.240 who are complicit

00:05:51.200 in all of this

00:05:52.000 to a degree

00:05:53.120 that's almost unimaginable.

00:05:55.140 And the Casey report's conclusion,

00:05:58.060 as far as I understand it,

00:05:59.480 is that the situation

00:06:01.300 is far worse

00:06:02.220 than anyone had imagined.

00:06:04.720 So, but,

00:06:05.660 so those are two of the podcasts

00:06:07.080 that made me quite nervous,

00:06:08.440 but they were both,

00:06:11.080 all three of them,

00:06:11.860 because we interviewed Tommy twice,

00:06:13.860 they turned out

00:06:14.500 to be very much worth doing.

00:06:16.880 This one makes me nervous too.

00:06:18.780 And I'll tell you why,

00:06:19.860 first of all,

00:06:20.420 you know,

00:06:20.740 I know a lot of the conservatives

00:06:22.480 in Canada

00:06:23.260 who aren't particularly happy with you.

00:06:25.640 You know,

00:06:25.880 I have some interaction

00:06:27.440 with Pierre Polyev

00:06:29.260 and some with Jason Kenney

00:06:31.140 and, you know,

00:06:32.420 I'm,

00:06:33.560 was hopeful

00:06:34.400 for the conservatives

00:06:35.340 in the last election cycle,

00:06:37.700 although that didn't work

00:06:38.840 out so well.

00:06:39.820 And so,

00:06:42.560 but,

00:06:43.380 having said that,

00:06:45.520 I'm curious about why

00:06:47.220 the conservatives in Canada

00:06:49.600 and maybe

00:06:50.200 elsewhere in the world

00:06:51.520 are so committed

00:06:53.420 to distancing themselves

00:06:54.820 from

00:06:55.300 the conservatives

00:06:56.760 in

00:06:57.580 Europe.

00:06:59.220 Right?

00:06:59.740 It's as if

00:07:00.620 Canadian conservatives

00:07:02.880 in particular

00:07:03.720 find themselves

00:07:06.480 obligated

00:07:07.240 to swallow

00:07:08.420 the progressive

00:07:09.840 insistence

00:07:11.160 that there is

00:07:12.460 a emergent

00:07:13.800 far right

00:07:14.600 in Europe

00:07:15.280 and that it poses

00:07:16.880 a true danger.

00:07:18.500 You know,

00:07:18.720 and it's so interesting

00:07:20.580 when those

00:07:21.340 rumors

00:07:22.980 or when that propaganda

00:07:24.360 gets distributed

00:07:25.120 because

00:07:25.580 it's very difficult

00:07:27.320 not to fall prey

00:07:28.300 to it.

00:07:29.120 Now,

00:07:29.460 the counter evidence

00:07:30.900 is

00:07:31.700 Poland,

00:07:33.580 which seems

00:07:34.080 to be doing

00:07:34.520 quite well.

00:07:36.200 The economists

00:07:36.720 just said that

00:07:37.500 Poland will be 1.00

00:07:38.120 richer than the UK

00:07:39.000 within 10 years.

00:07:40.360 So,

00:07:40.700 that's quite the

00:07:41.420 turnaround.

00:07:42.300 I've been to

00:07:43.020 Hungary a number 0.99

00:07:43.660 of times

00:07:44.140 and I've been

00:07:45.820 to worse places

00:07:46.800 than Hungary.

00:07:48.720 Sweden tilted

00:07:49.560 pretty hard

00:07:50.120 in the conservative

00:07:50.780 direction

00:07:51.320 and

00:07:51.680 Italy's

00:07:53.500 prime minister

00:07:54.120 doesn't seem

00:07:54.820 to be the

00:07:55.320 catastrophe

00:07:55.820 that all

00:07:56.720 the progressives

00:07:57.400 predicted.

00:07:58.360 And then

00:07:58.740 there's Germany

00:07:59.420 and so

00:07:59.980 I'm very

00:08:00.800 skeptical

00:08:01.420 of these

00:08:02.220 far-right claims

00:08:03.640 but we should

00:08:04.640 like grapple

00:08:05.980 with that

00:08:06.460 right away too.

00:08:07.540 So,

00:08:07.860 I would like you

00:08:08.400 to tell us

00:08:09.240 how you see

00:08:10.460 the political

00:08:10.940 situation in Germany

00:08:12.120 and then also

00:08:13.320 elaborate on

00:08:14.300 why it seems

00:08:16.720 necessary

00:08:17.540 for

00:08:18.100 arguably

00:08:19.480 centrist

00:08:20.120 conservatives

00:08:20.700 to insist

00:08:22.340 that

00:08:22.800 they're not

00:08:23.880 the same

00:08:24.420 people as

00:08:25.280 the more

00:08:26.200 conservative

00:08:26.780 politicians

00:08:28.240 in Europe.

00:08:29.840 Well,

00:08:30.220 it's pretty

00:08:30.580 much a

00:08:30.960 necessity

00:08:31.360 to defame

00:08:32.440 us,

00:08:32.660 to stigmatize

00:08:33.320 us.

00:08:34.220 The simple

00:08:35.020 reason being

00:08:35.720 is we

00:08:37.140 talk common

00:08:38.060 sense.

00:08:39.260 We want

00:08:39.900 policies,

00:08:41.420 we want

00:08:41.620 politics

00:08:42.160 that actually

00:08:43.260 represent

00:08:44.040 the people

00:08:45.020 again.

00:08:46.080 Where,

00:08:46.400 I mean,

00:08:46.620 democracy,

00:08:47.360 what's it all

00:08:47.800 about?

00:08:48.160 It's government

00:08:48.600 of the people,

00:08:49.440 for the people

00:08:50.180 and by the

00:08:50.700 people.

00:08:51.440 But we

00:08:52.080 haven't been

00:08:52.660 seeing that

00:08:53.280 in quite some

00:08:53.900 time.

00:08:54.340 For decades

00:08:54.860 that's been

00:08:55.380 going on.

00:08:56.180 The erosion

00:08:56.760 of these

00:08:57.700 democratic

00:08:58.180 principles,

00:08:59.300 nowadays it

00:09:00.180 seems more

00:09:00.720 like the

00:09:01.540 people are

00:09:02.000 being dictated

00:09:02.900 to what

00:09:04.080 their wants

00:09:05.280 and what

00:09:05.600 their needs

00:09:06.100 are going

00:09:06.540 to have

00:09:06.960 to be.

00:09:08.040 And these

00:09:08.440 elected

00:09:08.800 officials,

00:09:10.220 they no

00:09:11.100 longer take

00:09:12.660 into consideration

00:09:13.580 what is

00:09:14.180 actually the

00:09:15.160 best interest

00:09:16.220 of the

00:09:17.080 people that

00:09:17.960 they were

00:09:18.220 elected by

00:09:18.840 and that

00:09:19.320 they are

00:09:19.920 paid by,

00:09:20.660 by the

00:09:21.040 way.

00:09:21.860 So now

00:09:23.440 this new

00:09:24.000 party comes

00:09:24.580 along that

00:09:25.000 was in

00:09:25.260 2013 and

00:09:27.160 pretty much

00:09:28.000 when my

00:09:28.600 party was

00:09:29.040 founded,

00:09:30.400 the only

00:09:31.240 thing we

00:09:31.640 really did

00:09:32.420 was representing

00:09:34.840 or claiming

00:09:36.820 to change

00:09:37.820 policies in

00:09:38.780 areas that

00:09:40.100 the former

00:09:40.820 conservative

00:09:41.440 party in

00:09:42.140 Germany,

00:09:42.480 the Christian

00:09:42.960 Democrats,

00:09:43.940 stood for.

00:09:44.880 For as long

00:09:46.640 as I can

00:09:47.040 remember,

00:09:47.700 I used to

00:09:48.260 vote for the

00:09:48.700 Christian

00:09:48.940 Democrats.

00:09:50.500 Ever since I

00:09:51.600 became eligible

00:09:52.740 to vote,

00:09:53.140 I voted

00:09:53.920 for the

00:09:54.420 Christian

00:09:54.680 Democrats

00:09:55.180 and the

00:09:56.580 liberal

00:09:57.120 party,

00:09:58.080 the free

00:09:58.420 democratic

00:09:59.020 liberals.

00:10:00.120 We have

00:10:00.720 two votes

00:10:01.180 in Germany

00:10:01.620 so you

00:10:02.000 can split

00:10:02.460 them like

00:10:03.280 that.

00:10:04.280 And it

00:10:05.860 wasn't me

00:10:06.400 that changed

00:10:07.220 my political

00:10:08.380 opinion.

00:10:09.380 It was

00:10:09.840 these two

00:10:10.320 parties that

00:10:11.040 I voted

00:10:11.380 for my

00:10:11.820 entire life

00:10:12.560 that changed

00:10:13.660 their basis,

00:10:14.800 changed

00:10:15.120 their policy.

00:10:17.480 So my

00:10:18.960 waking up

00:10:19.460 moment was

00:10:19.960 in 2007

00:10:20.900 and it

00:10:22.120 was

00:10:22.260 actually

00:10:22.580 the

00:10:22.760 subprime

00:10:23.080 crisis

00:10:23.460 in the

00:10:24.140 United

00:10:24.360 States

00:10:24.960 where

00:10:26.040 people

00:10:26.400 getting

00:10:26.840 kicked

00:10:27.600 out of

00:10:27.840 their

00:10:27.960 houses

00:10:28.220 left

00:10:28.540 and

00:10:28.720 right.

00:10:29.740 And I

00:10:30.220 was like,

00:10:30.520 what is

00:10:30.740 going on

00:10:31.240 there?

00:10:31.540 Why are

00:10:31.820 so many

00:10:32.160 people

00:10:32.460 suddenly

00:10:32.780 losing

00:10:33.080 their

00:10:33.340 homes

00:10:33.660 and

00:10:33.960 whatnot?

00:10:35.500 And that

00:10:35.960 was my

00:10:36.280 waking up

00:10:36.800 moment.

00:10:38.040 And in

00:10:38.480 2005,

00:10:39.400 I still

00:10:40.060 voted for

00:10:40.980 the Christian

00:10:41.680 Democrats.

00:10:42.460 So yes,

00:10:42.920 I did vote

00:10:43.500 for Angela

00:10:44.080 Merkel the

00:10:45.020 first time

00:10:45.440 she ran

00:10:45.840 for

00:10:46.020 chancellor,

00:10:46.740 but I

00:10:47.360 no longer

00:10:48.120 could vote

00:10:48.600 for them

00:10:48.920 in 2009

00:10:49.700 when the

00:10:50.100 next

00:10:50.280 elections

00:10:50.700 came

00:10:50.980 around.

00:10:51.560 So I

00:10:52.040 voted

00:10:52.260 in

00:10:52.480 ballot.

00:10:53.920 And I

00:10:54.620 really have

00:10:54.980 to say

00:10:55.240 this

00:10:55.480 political

00:10:55.960 homelessness

00:10:56.560 that I

00:10:57.200 felt,

00:10:58.320 I would

00:10:58.960 have never

00:10:59.280 thought that

00:11:00.100 it would

00:11:00.360 get to

00:11:00.760 me to

00:11:01.060 an extent

00:11:01.580 that it

00:11:01.940 actually

00:11:02.300 did.

00:11:03.160 But not

00:11:03.780 knowing who

00:11:04.960 I felt

00:11:05.360 represented

00:11:05.860 by anymore,

00:11:07.000 not knowing

00:11:07.840 who was

00:11:08.520 sitting in

00:11:09.360 parliament

00:11:09.860 and doing

00:11:11.440 what I

00:11:12.380 would want

00:11:12.960 them to

00:11:13.320 do,

00:11:13.880 there was

00:11:14.160 a horrible

00:11:15.140 feeling,

00:11:15.660 a really

00:11:16.060 horrible

00:11:16.480 feeling.

00:11:16.940 So I

00:11:18.160 voted in

00:11:18.580 ballot in

00:11:18.980 2009 and

00:11:19.840 then 2013

00:11:20.800 I was

00:11:22.000 watching TV

00:11:23.180 and there

00:11:23.440 was some

00:11:23.740 talk on

00:11:24.200 TV about

00:11:24.780 some new

00:11:25.960 party being

00:11:26.620 founded and

00:11:27.920 they were

00:11:28.340 critics of

00:11:29.120 the EU,

00:11:30.160 they were

00:11:30.560 critics of

00:11:31.220 the Euro,

00:11:32.200 and I'm

00:11:32.600 like,

00:11:32.880 whoa,

00:11:33.260 what is

00:11:33.800 this?

00:11:34.960 And I'm

00:11:35.200 like,

00:11:35.560 you know,

00:11:35.760 all ears and

00:11:36.820 listened to it

00:11:38.000 for a while,

00:11:38.600 turned off my

00:11:39.180 TV and

00:11:40.460 went on the

00:11:41.360 internet,

00:11:41.780 researched that

00:11:42.500 party,

00:11:43.300 and I was

00:11:44.040 so glad to

00:11:45.580 have finally

00:11:46.160 found a

00:11:46.920 party again

00:11:47.840 that I

00:11:48.520 felt represented

00:11:49.460 by,

00:11:50.460 that I

00:11:50.800 decided,

00:11:51.500 well,

00:11:51.700 this time I'm

00:11:52.280 not going to

00:11:52.680 leave it up to

00:11:53.400 anyone else to

00:11:54.160 do the right

00:11:54.600 thing here,

00:11:55.500 and I decided to

00:11:56.320 become a

00:11:56.720 member.

00:11:57.020 That very same

00:11:57.700 night,

00:11:58.340 filled out an

00:11:58.800 application,

00:11:59.600 and I've

00:11:59.920 been a

00:12:00.180 member of

00:12:01.060 that party

00:12:01.600 from the

00:12:02.100 very beginning,

00:12:03.220 2013,

00:12:04.940 and yeah,

00:12:05.740 that's when it

00:12:06.220 all started,

00:12:07.020 right?

00:12:07.420 So first we

00:12:08.200 were called

00:12:08.880 EU haters,

00:12:11.100 European

00:12:11.720 haters.

00:12:13.060 We wanted to 0.99

00:12:14.000 destroy Europe

00:12:15.140 because we

00:12:15.960 were critics

00:12:16.660 of the

00:12:17.300 currency that

00:12:18.160 we had,

00:12:18.580 the euro.

00:12:19.600 So it

00:12:20.560 pretty much

00:12:21.140 started right

00:12:21.760 in the

00:12:22.000 beginning,

00:12:23.260 and they

00:12:24.640 kind of were

00:12:25.240 hoping that

00:12:25.980 we were just

00:12:26.920 short-term

00:12:27.900 kind of

00:12:28.840 phenomenon,

00:12:29.740 we would just

00:12:30.500 go away like 0.66

00:12:31.240 that,

00:12:32.220 but we

00:12:32.880 didn't go

00:12:33.280 away.

00:12:34.140 And then the

00:12:34.600 next thing

00:12:35.040 happened,

00:12:35.600 the mass

00:12:36.420 invasion of

00:12:37.620 these immigrants,

00:12:38.920 so-called

00:12:39.300 immigrants,

00:12:40.540 asylum seekers,

00:12:41.620 as they claim,

00:12:42.320 and now

00:12:44.200 we were

00:12:44.740 Islamophobes,

00:12:45.840 we were

00:12:46.140 xenophobes,

00:12:47.140 so the

00:12:47.560 labeling,

00:12:48.240 you know,

00:12:49.000 continued,

00:12:50.400 yeah,

00:12:51.280 and now

00:12:51.620 we are

00:12:52.080 pretty much,

00:12:52.800 I mean,

00:12:53.020 we've been

00:12:53.320 called every

00:12:53.940 name in

00:12:54.300 the book,

00:12:54.740 you name

00:12:55.200 it,

00:12:55.520 there is

00:12:56.140 nothing left

00:12:57.220 to pretty

00:12:57.960 much label

00:12:58.640 us with,

00:12:59.740 but it's

00:13:00.820 no longer

00:13:01.180 working,

00:13:01.740 really.

00:13:03.640 Because,

00:13:04.260 I mean,

00:13:04.600 if you

00:13:05.140 apply a

00:13:06.600 derogative

00:13:07.060 label to

00:13:08.100 just about

00:13:08.740 anything

00:13:09.820 and everything

00:13:10.780 you disagree

00:13:11.540 with,

00:13:12.580 it no

00:13:13.460 longer

00:13:13.820 matters.

00:13:14.920 And people

00:13:16.060 are just

00:13:16.640 sick and

00:13:17.100 tired of,

00:13:17.880 you know,

00:13:18.660 being called

00:13:19.300 all kinds

00:13:19.820 of names.

00:13:20.700 Yeah,

00:13:21.000 my sense

00:13:21.860 is that

00:13:22.580 the far

00:13:23.860 right epithet

00:13:25.000 has lost

00:13:26.000 a tremendous

00:13:26.660 amount of

00:13:27.460 its useful

00:13:28.620 currency in

00:13:29.380 the last

00:13:29.780 two or

00:13:30.680 three years.

00:13:31.180 Yes,

00:13:31.220 it absolutely

00:13:31.400 has.

00:13:32.160 It absolutely

00:13:32.640 has.

00:13:33.240 And like I

00:13:33.640 said,

00:13:33.940 I mean,

00:13:34.500 the number

00:13:36.140 of people

00:13:36.940 that have

00:13:37.880 to call

00:13:38.740 these names

00:13:39.680 are getting

00:13:40.600 larger and

00:13:41.280 larger.

00:13:41.540 With every

00:13:42.380 controversial

00:13:43.200 issue there

00:13:44.760 is,

00:13:45.520 you once

00:13:46.180 again have

00:13:46.620 another group

00:13:47.180 of people

00:13:47.680 of the

00:13:48.040 population

00:13:48.600 you need

00:13:49.380 to stigmatize

00:13:50.220 in such

00:13:50.680 a way.

00:13:51.560 Well,

00:13:52.160 you know,

00:13:52.560 sooner or

00:13:53.000 later,

00:13:53.520 you're going

00:13:53.960 to have a

00:13:54.260 majority of

00:13:55.020 the people

00:13:55.560 of the

00:13:55.840 population

00:13:56.460 being slapped

00:13:58.040 with that

00:13:58.480 label.

00:13:59.380 Well,

00:14:00.280 seriously,

00:14:01.040 that's what

00:14:01.960 you're going

00:14:02.600 to do now?

00:14:03.400 So it's

00:14:04.060 really no

00:14:04.480 longer working.

00:14:05.900 And I

00:14:07.140 mean,

00:14:07.380 they did

00:14:08.080 whatever they

00:14:08.640 could.

00:14:08.980 I mean,

00:14:09.260 they really

00:14:10.180 gave it

00:14:10.620 their best

00:14:11.240 shot to

00:14:12.520 just, 0.87

00:14:13.100 you know,

00:14:13.480 make us

00:14:14.620 disappear.

00:14:15.480 But it's

00:14:16.180 not working.

00:14:16.860 Why is it

00:14:17.280 not working?

00:14:18.260 Because everything

00:14:19.300 we have been

00:14:19.960 saying ever

00:14:20.640 since 2013,

00:14:22.540 we weren't

00:14:23.140 making that

00:14:23.740 stuff up.

00:14:24.640 We weren't

00:14:25.360 fear-mongering.

00:14:27.240 We were

00:14:28.000 simply seeing

00:14:29.520 where we

00:14:30.760 were headed.

00:14:31.720 And the

00:14:32.080 people are

00:14:32.540 now beginning

00:14:33.200 to realize,

00:14:34.920 whoa,

00:14:35.820 they were

00:14:36.340 right.

00:14:37.120 They said

00:14:37.800 that.

00:14:38.380 That's

00:14:38.640 what they

00:14:38.940 said like

00:14:39.360 10 years

00:14:39.920 ago.

00:14:40.400 And here

00:14:40.900 we are.

00:14:41.760 So they're

00:14:42.200 seeing all

00:14:43.340 of this,

00:14:43.880 the policies

00:14:44.680 that have

00:14:45.140 been implemented.

00:14:46.100 They're

00:14:46.340 seeing it

00:14:47.800 unfolding.

00:14:49.040 And the

00:14:49.560 consequences

00:14:50.320 of these

00:14:51.260 policies that

00:14:52.160 were set a

00:14:52.860 long time

00:14:53.300 ago,

00:14:54.000 they're seeing

00:14:54.580 it now in

00:14:55.040 their everyday

00:14:55.560 life.

00:14:56.540 And there is

00:14:57.080 no denying

00:14:57.660 it anymore.

00:14:58.920 You know,

00:14:59.180 I mean,

00:14:59.440 you can kind

00:15:00.880 of play with

00:15:02.780 numbers in

00:15:03.520 some kind

00:15:03.860 of a budget

00:15:04.440 or, you

00:15:05.040 know,

00:15:05.200 in a balance

00:15:05.800 sheet.

00:15:06.080 You can

00:15:06.720 hide certain

00:15:07.360 things.

00:15:08.440 What you

00:15:09.120 cannot hide

00:15:10.020 is your

00:15:11.200 lift reality.

00:15:13.060 And the

00:15:13.320 lift reality

00:15:14.100 in Germany,

00:15:15.840 it really

00:15:17.480 saddens me

00:15:18.220 to say,

00:15:19.180 but Germany

00:15:19.680 is turning

00:15:20.520 into a

00:15:22.100 hellhole 0.98

00:15:22.540 country.

00:15:23.660 We're no

00:15:24.400 longer safe

00:15:25.020 in our

00:15:25.320 streets.

00:15:26.520 I mean,

00:15:26.980 you know,

00:15:27.200 just go back

00:15:27.800 to 2015,

00:15:29.320 New Year's

00:15:30.080 Eve.

00:15:30.760 There was a

00:15:31.400 mob of

00:15:31.800 like,

00:15:32.060 what,

00:15:32.160 a thousand

00:15:32.620 men ganging

00:15:34.000 up on

00:15:35.020 women just, 1.00

00:15:36.380 you know,

00:15:36.660 being out

00:15:37.120 there celebrating

00:15:37.940 New Year's

00:15:38.520 Eve,

00:15:39.660 notably Cologne.

00:15:41.980 It was just

00:15:42.860 dreadful what

00:15:44.820 these women 0.99

00:15:45.220 experienced,

00:15:46.180 right?

00:15:46.860 We saw an

00:15:47.580 echo of that

00:15:48.180 in Paris two

00:15:49.380 weeks ago at

00:15:49.980 the music

00:15:50.360 festival.

00:15:50.560 Yeah,

00:15:50.860 I mean,

00:15:51.340 these are

00:15:51.740 occurrences.

00:15:52.580 It's no longer

00:15:53.500 isolated incidents

00:15:54.680 what we're

00:15:55.060 talking about

00:15:55.680 here.

00:15:56.220 So that's

00:15:56.820 been going

00:15:57.180 on for

00:15:57.560 quite some

00:15:58.020 time.

00:15:58.740 What we're

00:15:59.180 seeing in

00:15:59.560 Germany now

00:16:00.240 is you have

00:16:01.140 like,

00:16:01.880 what,

00:16:02.080 two brutal

00:16:03.920 gang rapes

00:16:04.980 every single

00:16:06.780 day in

00:16:08.220 Germany.

00:16:09.100 And when I'm

00:16:09.620 saying brutal

00:16:10.460 gang rapes,

00:16:12.020 I mean, 0.95

00:16:12.340 these women 0.99

00:16:12.880 are not 0.88

00:16:13.640 just raped,

00:16:15.460 not just 0.99

00:16:16.120 raped. 0.82

00:16:16.860 They're brutally 0.99

00:16:17.700 beaten within

00:16:18.640 an inch of

00:16:19.520 their life,

00:16:20.800 if they're

00:16:21.200 surviving at

00:16:21.900 all,

00:16:22.380 right?

00:16:23.120 Two of

00:16:23.860 them every

00:16:24.620 single day

00:16:25.660 happening in

00:16:27.020 Germany.

00:16:27.660 And that's

00:16:28.160 not even

00:16:28.560 talking about

00:16:29.340 the rapes

00:16:30.180 where there's

00:16:30.600 only one

00:16:31.100 perpetrator,

00:16:31.960 right?

00:16:32.520 So,

00:16:33.520 or these

00:16:33.900 random knife

00:16:34.820 attacks,

00:16:36.240 every day,

00:16:37.140 not only

00:16:37.680 every day,

00:16:38.380 on an

00:16:38.760 hourly basis,

00:16:39.540 we have

00:16:39.820 those,

00:16:40.480 like 12,

00:16:41.920 13,

00:16:42.400 14,

00:16:43.020 15 random

00:16:44.240 knife attacks.

00:16:45.300 Right,

00:16:45.500 well,

00:16:45.680 they were

00:16:45.940 thinking about

00:16:46.680 bringing in

00:16:47.420 knife control

00:16:48.480 in the UK

00:16:49.140 for the same

00:16:50.000 reasons.

00:16:50.580 They have.

00:16:50.860 Yeah,

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00:16:53.520 Watch them

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00:18:19.160 So,

00:18:19.760 what they do do,

00:18:21.020 though,

00:18:21.460 is once we had

00:18:22.180 the Christmas markets

00:18:23.360 and everything,

00:18:24.540 yeah,

00:18:24.820 they were,

00:18:25.360 you know,

00:18:25.700 heavily patrolled.

00:18:27.320 Yeah,

00:18:27.580 they took,

00:18:28.080 like,

00:18:28.440 the little knife

00:18:29.120 that a grandma

00:18:29.880 carried in her purse

00:18:31.380 so she can cut up 1.00

00:18:32.440 an apple or something.

00:18:33.760 Yeah,

00:18:34.200 they were,

00:18:34.640 you know,

00:18:34.940 taken away

00:18:35.520 from people like that,

00:18:36.880 but the real perpetrators,

00:18:38.500 they wouldn't go near them.

00:18:39.800 And have they erected,

00:18:42.460 like,

00:18:43.080 barriers in Germany?

00:18:44.720 Oh, yeah.

00:18:44.740 Because that's a terrible thing,

00:18:46.220 you know.

00:18:46.480 I know.

00:18:46.840 That's a terrible thing to see.

00:18:48.460 When the state starts

00:18:50.480 to erect barriers

00:18:51.620 to protect people,

00:18:53.260 you know that things

00:18:53.980 are in dismal decline.

00:18:56.040 That's the funny thing

00:18:56.460 about that.

00:18:57.500 I mean,

00:18:58.300 what is the function

00:18:59.940 of external borders?

00:19:02.180 So the people

00:19:02.980 that are inside

00:19:03.820 can just go about

00:19:05.500 their daily business

00:19:06.360 and live in peace.

00:19:07.900 Once you start

00:19:09.540 tearing down

00:19:10.340 the external borders,

00:19:11.920 what are you going

00:19:12.440 to end up doing? 0.93

00:19:13.500 You're going to erect

00:19:14.460 little small borders

00:19:16.520 all over

00:19:17.860 that supposedly

00:19:19.100 secure area.

00:19:20.620 And that's what

00:19:21.040 we're seeing.

00:19:22.240 So it's like,

00:19:23.060 you know,

00:19:23.360 if a family father,

00:19:24.900 he just decided

00:19:26.000 to bring in,

00:19:27.020 you know,

00:19:27.340 just any old

00:19:28.080 Joe Schmo

00:19:28.680 into his house,

00:19:30.540 you know,

00:19:30.920 because he felt,

00:19:31.920 you know,

00:19:33.080 he needed to help

00:19:34.100 these people

00:19:34.600 for whatever reason.

00:19:35.520 And then he finds out

00:19:37.140 his family is no longer

00:19:38.540 safe in the house.

00:19:39.700 What would this father do? 0.99

00:19:41.440 We'll kick all of them out. 0.94

00:19:43.380 But what we're doing is 0.88

00:19:44.960 we're locking up

00:19:45.940 our family,

00:19:47.360 you know,

00:19:48.020 in the individual rooms

00:19:49.500 so they are safe there.

00:19:51.160 Seriously?

00:19:52.120 This is so beyond reason

00:19:54.420 and beyond any

00:19:55.840 rational thinking. 0.78

00:19:57.160 It's actually ridiculous 0.71

00:19:58.500 when you really think about it.

00:20:00.220 But that's what we're doing.

00:20:01.460 So let's review

00:20:04.120 a few things.

00:20:04.960 Will you

00:20:05.340 describe to people

00:20:07.220 the federal

00:20:08.960 political structure

00:20:10.220 in Germany

00:20:10.740 so they have some sense?

00:20:11.940 Outline the main parties

00:20:13.120 and then maybe

00:20:14.420 talk to us a bit

00:20:15.640 about

00:20:16.000 why these,

00:20:18.380 what the fundamental

00:20:19.440 issues are.

00:20:20.240 You raised

00:20:20.880 problems with the EU,

00:20:23.060 problems with the euro

00:20:23.960 and immigration.

00:20:25.180 Those are the three things

00:20:26.060 that you,

00:20:26.540 we didn't touch on

00:20:27.900 de-industrialization

00:20:29.060 or the catastrophic

00:20:29.940 consequences of net zero

00:20:31.460 which we should also

00:20:32.880 touch on.

00:20:33.480 But lay out

00:20:34.400 the political landscape

00:20:35.820 so that people

00:20:36.680 understand the German

00:20:38.180 political scene

00:20:38.900 more particularly.

00:20:40.340 I'd like to,

00:20:41.600 for you also

00:20:42.440 to tell people

00:20:43.200 what you did

00:20:44.740 before you

00:20:45.540 got involved

00:20:46.440 in politics

00:20:47.040 in 2013.

00:20:48.700 2013.

00:20:50.180 And then,

00:20:51.300 then let's address

00:20:52.120 the main issues

00:20:53.720 that we discussed

00:20:54.580 as well.

00:20:54.920 So we'll start

00:20:55.460 with the German

00:20:56.020 political landscape.

00:20:57.580 Okay.

00:20:58.100 So there's,

00:20:58.960 I think there's

00:20:59.760 like seven parties

00:21:00.680 represented in the

00:21:01.680 national parliament

00:21:02.640 in the Bundestag

00:21:03.360 right now.

00:21:04.680 So,

00:21:05.160 yeah,

00:21:06.200 let's start

00:21:06.640 with the Christian

00:21:07.140 Democrats.

00:21:08.400 The Christian

00:21:09.000 Democrats

00:21:09.620 are the former

00:21:11.360 conservative party.

00:21:13.600 Angela Merkel,

00:21:14.680 she pretty much 0.99

00:21:15.780 turned the Christian 0.51

00:21:16.940 Democrats

00:21:17.380 into this

00:21:19.000 just woke

00:21:20.240 kind of

00:21:21.700 nonsense

00:21:23.920 party,

00:21:24.900 you know,

00:21:25.680 just adhering

00:21:26.660 to just about

00:21:27.180 everything,

00:21:27.980 you know,

00:21:28.320 she wanted to be

00:21:28.940 everybody's darling.

00:21:29.820 Right,

00:21:30.180 right,

00:21:30.400 right.

00:21:30.660 You know,

00:21:31.040 but if you're

00:21:31.900 everybody's darling,

00:21:32.820 you're everybody's

00:21:33.480 debt.

00:21:34.300 Yeah,

00:21:34.540 well,

00:21:34.700 the conservatives,

00:21:35.700 they take their

00:21:36.700 base for granted

00:21:37.540 and then they try

00:21:38.800 to occupy the center,

00:21:40.300 right?

00:21:40.560 Exactly.

00:21:41.100 And so they're

00:21:41.380 always pulled

00:21:42.240 to the progressive

00:21:43.580 side.

00:21:44.600 So we have

00:21:45.780 the Christian

00:21:46.160 Democrats,

00:21:47.080 then we have

00:21:48.020 the social

00:21:48.420 Democrats.

00:21:51.100 They're,

00:21:51.880 they used to be

00:21:53.060 the representation

00:21:54.400 of the working

00:21:55.580 class,

00:21:56.340 right?

00:21:56.480 But they

00:21:57.160 completely

00:21:57.800 abandoned that

00:21:58.640 base too

00:21:59.340 for all kinds

00:22:00.700 of transgender

00:22:01.260 issues and

00:22:02.300 what have you

00:22:02.820 not.

00:22:03.900 Yeah,

00:22:04.300 well,

00:22:05.180 economic

00:22:05.980 alienation,

00:22:07.780 let's say,

00:22:08.480 characterized,

00:22:09.120 that characterized

00:22:09.620 the working

00:22:10.040 class has been

00:22:10.940 replaced by

00:22:12.060 postmodern

00:22:12.900 alienation,

00:22:13.820 right?

00:22:13.920 Exactly.

00:22:14.000 So it's an

00:22:14.400 absolute

00:22:14.720 multiplication of

00:22:15.900 oppressed

00:22:17.040 status.

00:22:17.780 Yeah,

00:22:18.060 exactly.

00:22:18.700 All kinds of

00:22:19.120 niche issues.

00:22:20.120 people who

00:22:21.280 seem to

00:22:21.680 suffer the

00:22:22.580 most from

00:22:23.060 that in

00:22:23.420 terms of

00:22:23.940 lacking

00:22:24.840 representation

00:22:25.540 are most

00:22:27.480 perversely the

00:22:28.340 working class

00:22:28.900 people that

00:22:29.560 some labor

00:22:30.360 parties actually

00:22:31.260 did work to

00:22:32.720 represent not

00:22:33.620 so long ago.

00:22:34.720 Exactly.

00:22:34.820 So the social

00:22:35.540 Democrats have

00:22:36.320 gone seriously

00:22:37.100 postmodern and

00:22:38.100 woke.

00:22:38.520 Exactly.

00:22:39.120 Okay.

00:22:39.560 Then we have

00:22:40.240 the free

00:22:41.020 democratic

00:22:42.840 liberals,

00:22:43.900 what they were

00:22:44.360 called,

00:22:44.820 they were

00:22:44.980 libertarian,

00:22:46.940 they used to

00:22:47.420 be,

00:22:47.940 but they're

00:22:48.440 just the same

00:22:49.060 thing now,

00:22:49.560 pretty much

00:22:50.200 as the

00:22:50.480 Christian

00:22:50.720 Democrats.

00:22:51.820 So the

00:22:52.500 FDP is

00:22:54.180 what their

00:22:55.320 short name

00:22:56.780 is.

00:22:57.180 They have

00:22:57.600 been in

00:22:58.160 coalition with

00:22:58.920 the Christian

00:22:59.300 Democrats,

00:22:59.960 with the

00:23:00.160 social

00:23:00.380 Democrats,

00:23:01.200 whatever.

00:23:01.960 So in

00:23:02.280 like the

00:23:02.620 70s,

00:23:03.020 80s,

00:23:03.740 there really

00:23:04.360 only were

00:23:04.780 these three

00:23:05.280 parties.

00:23:06.580 So they

00:23:07.220 were here

00:23:08.480 and then

00:23:09.140 they were

00:23:09.360 there.

00:23:09.820 So they

00:23:10.320 were kind

00:23:10.680 of shifting.

00:23:12.220 Then the

00:23:12.780 80s came

00:23:13.280 about and

00:23:14.020 this new

00:23:14.360 party was

00:23:14.780 found,

00:23:15.060 the Greens.

00:23:15.900 So the

00:23:16.260 Greens came

00:23:16.760 along.

00:23:17.900 And,

00:23:18.260 you know,

00:23:18.960 what they

00:23:19.640 did in

00:23:20.220 the beginning,

00:23:21.020 you know,

00:23:21.440 we need

00:23:21.960 to protect

00:23:22.360 our

00:23:22.640 environment.

00:23:23.780 It really

00:23:24.480 made sense.

00:23:26.260 I mean,

00:23:26.760 I never

00:23:27.160 voted for

00:23:27.700 the Greens

00:23:28.160 because I

00:23:28.760 just kind

00:23:29.360 of,

00:23:29.700 even back

00:23:30.060 then,

00:23:30.460 as young

00:23:30.820 as I

00:23:31.120 was,

00:23:31.700 I could

00:23:32.180 see,

00:23:32.800 you know,

00:23:33.420 where they're

00:23:33.880 going.

00:23:34.760 This

00:23:34.900 ultimately

00:23:35.500 and inevitably

00:23:36.380 will lead

00:23:37.320 into communism

00:23:38.380 because there

00:23:39.300 is no other

00:23:40.100 way you can

00:23:41.260 cut down

00:23:41.940 on industry,

00:23:43.160 you know,

00:23:43.880 without having

00:23:44.640 to redistribute

00:23:45.860 whatever kind

00:23:46.860 of wealth

00:23:47.220 is left,

00:23:47.920 right?

00:23:48.560 So there

00:23:50.180 were the

00:23:50.440 Greens,

00:23:51.320 but granted,

00:23:52.380 you know,

00:23:53.080 what they

00:23:53.400 stood for

00:23:53.960 in the

00:23:54.620 beginning as

00:23:55.420 they came

00:23:55.800 about,

00:23:56.640 there was

00:23:57.520 some merit

00:23:57.940 to it and

00:23:58.620 there was

00:23:59.180 good reasons

00:24:00.680 for it,

00:24:01.380 right?

00:24:02.860 So,

00:24:03.540 and then the

00:24:03.840 next thing,

00:24:04.420 then the

00:24:05.060 wall came

00:24:05.680 down and

00:24:06.220 maybe want

00:24:06.620 to touch

00:24:06.940 on that

00:24:07.260 a little

00:24:07.740 later.

00:24:08.480 The wall

00:24:08.940 came down

00:24:09.640 and then

00:24:10.240 the next

00:24:11.180 party,

00:24:11.580 the fifth

00:24:12.040 party came

00:24:12.720 along.

00:24:13.780 There was

00:24:14.260 pretty much

00:24:15.820 the ones,

00:24:18.660 there was

00:24:19.000 the SED,

00:24:19.980 the Socialist

00:24:21.080 Uni Party

00:24:22.060 of Germany.

00:24:23.560 They just

00:24:24.160 renamed

00:24:24.620 themselves.

00:24:26.480 So that

00:24:26.740 was the

00:24:27.040 leftover

00:24:27.380 communists?

00:24:28.360 Exactly.

00:24:29.040 That's exactly

00:24:29.680 what they

00:24:30.040 were.

00:24:30.660 Just took

00:24:31.980 a different

00:24:32.340 name.

00:24:32.720 So when

00:24:32.940 you're now

00:24:33.320 at five,

00:24:33.980 and they

00:24:34.260 were predominantly

00:24:34.940 elected in

00:24:36.660 the,

00:24:37.340 ironically

00:24:38.240 enough,

00:24:38.900 in the

00:24:39.260 former

00:24:39.500 GR states.

00:24:40.340 You're right,

00:24:40.800 in Eastern

00:24:41.200 Germany.

00:24:41.500 Yeah,

00:24:41.740 exactly.

00:24:43.280 You'd think

00:24:43.900 people would

00:24:44.380 have learned

00:24:44.680 their lesson,

00:24:45.360 but.

00:24:45.820 Exactly.

00:24:46.520 Yeah,

00:24:46.780 you would

00:24:47.040 have thought

00:24:47.360 so,

00:24:47.640 but unfortunately

00:24:48.400 not.

00:24:49.180 So now

00:24:50.040 we had

00:24:50.280 these five

00:24:50.960 parties,

00:24:51.640 and for

00:24:51.940 the most

00:24:52.900 part,

00:24:53.240 that was

00:24:53.560 just about

00:24:54.060 it,

00:24:54.460 right?

00:24:55.280 So,

00:24:56.740 and then

00:24:57.060 the former

00:24:58.180 communist

00:24:58.720 party,

00:24:59.340 they split.

00:25:00.700 So now

00:25:01.220 we had

00:25:01.840 seven parties,

00:25:03.360 and then my

00:25:03.740 party,

00:25:04.020 so it's

00:25:04.300 eight parties

00:25:04.860 now.

00:25:05.220 So then

00:25:05.860 my party

00:25:06.340 came along

00:25:06.880 in 2013.

00:25:08.320 But like I

00:25:08.860 said,

00:25:09.020 it was really

00:25:09.460 a necessity,

00:25:10.460 out of necessity,

00:25:11.300 because all

00:25:12.640 of the other

00:25:13.160 parties that

00:25:14.400 back in the

00:25:15.340 days each

00:25:16.680 had a

00:25:17.140 different basis,

00:25:18.240 they represented,

00:25:19.700 they all kind

00:25:20.660 of represent

00:25:22.200 represent the

00:25:24.160 same kind

00:25:24.700 of thing.

00:25:25.380 They only

00:25:25.800 vary in

00:25:26.420 nuances from

00:25:27.440 what their

00:25:28.280 policies are,

00:25:29.560 what they

00:25:29.900 advocate for.

00:25:31.260 So they

00:25:32.340 pretty much

00:25:32.860 have become

00:25:33.400 a unity

00:25:34.040 party.

00:25:35.520 I think

00:25:36.400 that's the

00:25:37.140 term,

00:25:37.580 what do you

00:25:37.900 call it?

00:25:38.720 So,

00:25:39.100 and now

00:25:39.420 it's pretty

00:25:39.820 much the

00:25:40.480 unity party,

00:25:41.300 and it's

00:25:41.680 us.

00:25:42.500 So once

00:25:43.320 again,

00:25:43.640 we're back

00:25:44.420 to a

00:25:44.760 two-party

00:25:45.200 system.

00:25:46.300 Right.

00:25:46.740 You could

00:25:47.440 call it that,

00:25:48.160 yes.

00:25:48.280 So tell

00:25:49.260 me about

00:25:49.800 the rise

00:25:51.020 in fortune

00:25:51.800 and misfortune

00:25:53.160 of the

00:25:54.120 AFD.

00:25:54.700 What does

00:25:55.140 AFD stand

00:25:55.940 for?

00:25:56.260 Tell everyone

00:25:56.740 that first.

00:25:57.200 Alternative

00:25:57.420 for Germany,

00:25:58.680 and ironically,

00:26:00.400 Angela Merkel,

00:26:01.280 believe it or

00:26:01.680 not, she

00:26:02.820 was pretty

00:26:04.460 much the

00:26:04.980 one that

00:26:05.700 inspired our

00:26:06.880 name,

00:26:08.140 because when

00:26:09.160 the euro

00:26:10.440 crisis happened,

00:26:12.560 the debt

00:26:12.900 crisis,

00:26:14.180 particularly

00:26:14.660 with Greece,

00:26:16.240 and, you

00:26:16.760 know, we

00:26:17.100 send all

00:26:17.580 these funds

00:26:18.100 down to

00:26:18.920 Greece to

00:26:19.920 help them,

00:26:21.320 and maybe

00:26:22.340 it's worth

00:26:23.200 noting,

00:26:24.360 none of

00:26:25.460 these billions

00:26:26.620 and billions

00:26:27.740 of dollars

00:26:28.620 that were

00:26:29.720 sent down

00:26:30.300 to Greece,

00:26:31.260 because we're

00:26:32.120 supposed to

00:26:32.680 help the

00:26:33.080 Greek people,

00:26:34.120 right?

00:26:34.740 So once

00:26:35.280 again,

00:26:35.720 you know,

00:26:36.200 you have

00:26:36.580 to act

00:26:38.780 in solidarity.

00:26:41.160 Not a

00:26:42.060 single cent

00:26:42.940 ever reached

00:26:44.380 a single

00:26:45.540 Greek

00:26:46.220 citizen

00:26:47.880 on the

00:26:48.340 street.

00:26:49.200 These

00:26:49.500 billions

00:26:50.040 and billions

00:26:50.880 of dollars

00:26:51.500 we sent

00:26:51.960 down there

00:26:52.680 actually were

00:26:54.080 used to

00:26:54.700 pay off

00:26:55.040 the debt

00:26:55.640 with banks,

00:26:58.440 whether it's

00:26:58.920 the

00:26:59.760 Commerzbank,

00:27:01.980 was pretty,

00:27:02.980 so it was

00:27:03.620 pretty much

00:27:04.000 German banks

00:27:04.680 that were

00:27:05.160 German-French

00:27:06.040 banks,

00:27:06.660 right?

00:27:07.300 The Greek

00:27:08.060 government

00:27:08.440 went into debt,

00:27:09.760 and now they

00:27:10.580 couldn't pay it

00:27:11.080 anymore,

00:27:11.580 but the banks

00:27:12.060 insisted,

00:27:12.700 hey, look,

00:27:13.160 we want our

00:27:13.660 money back,

00:27:14.280 right?

00:27:14.460 You better

00:27:14.820 make it

00:27:15.240 happen.

00:27:16.120 So then

00:27:16.540 the peoples

00:27:17.880 of all the

00:27:18.380 other European

00:27:18.960 countries,

00:27:19.700 they all

00:27:20.280 chipped in.

00:27:21.200 Germany,

00:27:21.600 of course,

00:27:22.360 the heaviest

00:27:24.340 part of

00:27:24.780 this,

00:27:25.400 but it

00:27:25.760 directly went

00:27:27.460 back to

00:27:27.840 the banks

00:27:28.260 to pay

00:27:28.920 off the

00:27:29.220 debt.

00:27:29.520 Do you

00:27:29.760 think there

00:27:30.140 was any

00:27:30.560 utility in

00:27:31.460 doing that?

00:27:32.040 Did it

00:27:32.280 stabilize the

00:27:33.020 banking system?

00:27:33.980 No, it

00:27:34.660 did not.

00:27:35.420 No, it

00:27:35.680 did not.

00:27:36.380 The lesson

00:27:37.160 or what the

00:27:39.060 banks got

00:27:39.720 from that

00:27:40.260 is, look,

00:27:40.920 we can

00:27:41.580 just fool

00:27:42.100 around here, 0.74

00:27:43.020 you know,

00:27:43.300 we can

00:27:43.700 lose

00:27:44.300 trillions.

00:27:45.320 It doesn't

00:27:45.840 matter.

00:27:46.800 The taxpayers

00:27:47.360 of all of

00:27:48.120 these countries,

00:27:48.780 they're going

00:27:49.120 to step

00:27:49.700 in and

00:27:50.140 save us.

00:27:51.240 So, I

00:27:51.800 mean, if

00:27:52.080 you run

00:27:52.460 your business

00:27:52.940 into the

00:27:53.440 ground,

00:27:54.260 you should

00:27:54.640 be the

00:27:54.920 one bearing

00:27:55.260 the consequences

00:27:56.040 for that.

00:27:56.980 But since

00:27:57.380 they were

00:27:57.740 considered

00:27:58.360 vital to

00:28:00.160 the economy,

00:28:01.040 you know.

00:28:02.660 Privatize

00:28:03.140 the gains

00:28:03.980 and socialize

00:28:05.040 the risk.

00:28:05.800 That's

00:28:06.080 exactly what

00:28:06.740 it was.

00:28:07.180 Exactly.

00:28:08.180 So, anyway,

00:28:09.520 we were

00:28:10.180 talking about,

00:28:10.620 you know,

00:28:10.980 Greece and

00:28:11.640 so, and

00:28:13.640 Angela Merkel

00:28:14.240 said back

00:28:14.840 then that

00:28:15.640 saving the

00:28:17.400 euro, it

00:28:18.620 was without

00:28:19.260 any alternative.

00:28:20.360 There was

00:28:20.640 no alternative

00:28:21.660 for that.

00:28:23.000 And that's

00:28:23.400 what inspired

00:28:23.940 our name.

00:28:25.180 And that's

00:28:26.040 why we

00:28:26.600 were called

00:28:27.280 ourselves

00:28:27.980 Alternative

00:28:28.940 for Germany.

00:28:30.020 Because you

00:28:30.640 should never

00:28:31.320 get yourself

00:28:31.980 in a situation

00:28:32.920 as a

00:28:35.400 government

00:28:35.800 to claim

00:28:37.420 something.

00:28:38.200 There is no

00:28:38.760 alternative,

00:28:40.000 right?

00:28:40.260 you back

00:28:41.060 yourself

00:28:41.440 into a

00:28:41.940 corner.

00:28:43.220 Right,

00:28:43.560 with no

00:28:43.860 bargaining

00:28:44.220 position.

00:28:45.360 So, let's

00:28:46.280 talk about

00:28:46.760 the EU

00:28:47.340 a little

00:28:47.920 bit.

00:28:48.920 I mean,

00:28:49.200 I remember

00:28:49.820 when there

00:28:52.400 were great

00:28:52.780 hopes for

00:28:53.280 the European

00:28:53.680 Union,

00:28:54.400 and so let

00:28:55.100 me lay out

00:28:55.540 some of

00:28:55.860 those.

00:28:56.860 The hope

00:28:57.360 was,

00:28:58.460 it's kind

00:28:58.960 of analogous

00:28:59.700 in a way

00:29:00.620 to the

00:29:01.740 hope that

00:29:02.320 if we

00:29:03.220 brought

00:29:03.520 China

00:29:03.980 into the

00:29:05.260 capitalist

00:29:06.460 economic

00:29:07.120 system,

00:29:07.640 that that

00:29:08.780 would

00:29:08.960 produce a

00:29:09.900 liberalization

00:29:10.980 in political

00:29:12.900 ideology in

00:29:14.360 China,

00:29:15.360 a freeing.

00:29:16.520 And you

00:29:17.120 can understand

00:29:17.660 that that

00:29:18.200 was a

00:29:18.920 plausible

00:29:19.720 hope.

00:29:21.440 And it's

00:29:22.520 certainly the

00:29:22.940 case that the

00:29:23.500 Chinese economy

00:29:24.480 has grown

00:29:25.040 dramatically,

00:29:25.940 and the

00:29:26.880 cost of

00:29:27.360 certain consumer

00:29:28.080 goods have

00:29:28.600 plummeted.

00:29:29.160 The working

00:29:29.780 class has paid

00:29:30.440 a price for

00:29:30.940 that.

00:29:31.160 And absolute

00:29:33.580 privation in

00:29:34.680 many ways has

00:29:35.340 been drastically

00:29:36.020 limited in

00:29:36.720 China, so it 0.98

00:29:37.260 wasn't a

00:29:37.580 complete failure,

00:29:38.360 but the

00:29:39.020 idea that it

00:29:39.720 would liberalize

00:29:40.580 China has 0.91

00:29:41.340 turned out to

00:29:41.860 be like,

00:29:43.320 that just

00:29:43.960 didn't happen

00:29:44.420 even a little

00:29:45.020 bit.

00:29:45.820 So when the

00:29:47.000 EU was

00:29:47.980 formed, it

00:29:49.220 was a thrill,

00:29:50.580 I suppose,

00:29:51.200 to some degree,

00:29:52.000 that it became

00:29:53.060 radically easy to

00:29:54.340 move between

00:29:54.940 countries without

00:29:57.040 the inconvenience

00:29:58.620 of passports

00:29:59.340 and border

00:30:01.560 guards and so

00:30:02.460 forth.

00:30:02.940 And the

00:30:04.360 hope as well

00:30:05.700 would be that

00:30:06.440 the toxic

00:30:08.080 elements of

00:30:08.780 nationalism,

00:30:09.560 such as they

00:30:10.100 were, which

00:30:11.020 had seemed to

00:30:11.700 tear Europe

00:30:12.440 apart multiple

00:30:13.200 times, would

00:30:13.840 be radically

00:30:15.020 ameliorated,

00:30:15.940 and that Europe

00:30:17.040 could unite.

00:30:18.160 That would raise 0.57

00:30:19.040 the poorer

00:30:19.480 countries out of

00:30:20.240 their penury and

00:30:21.280 produce an

00:30:22.700 economy, I

00:30:24.020 suppose, that

00:30:24.640 would be

00:30:25.480 equivalent in

00:30:26.480 some ways to

00:30:27.140 the United

00:30:27.880 States.

00:30:28.620 That was

00:30:28.940 the hope.

00:30:30.360 And the

00:30:31.600 consequence

00:30:32.140 was, and

00:30:33.920 this is why

00:30:34.360 the UK

00:30:34.760 left, the

00:30:36.600 consequence

00:30:37.060 was really

00:30:39.020 the elimination

00:30:40.220 of intermediary

00:30:41.460 political

00:30:41.980 structures and

00:30:43.280 the creation

00:30:44.820 of a

00:30:45.240 superorganism

00:30:46.420 in Brussels.

00:30:47.160 I've been to

00:30:47.880 Brussels, to

00:30:49.100 the home of

00:30:50.000 the EU.

00:30:51.400 The building

00:30:52.320 that that

00:30:53.000 enterprise is

00:30:53.800 housed in is

00:30:55.020 a monstrosity

00:30:56.340 of cataclysmic

00:30:57.740 foodishness.

00:30:59.560 It's like the

00:31:00.300 world's biggest 0.94

00:31:01.260 and ugliest

00:31:02.720 badly designed

00:31:04.060 airport.

00:31:05.600 Tiny offices.

00:31:06.980 I've got a

00:31:07.560 comical story for

00:31:08.440 you.

00:31:08.740 I was there

00:31:09.360 three years ago

00:31:11.160 maybe, speaking

00:31:12.780 to another far

00:31:14.000 right politician

00:31:16.460 from Eastern

00:31:17.200 Europe, Romania,

00:31:19.300 I think, and he

00:31:20.880 had this tiny

00:31:21.460 little office.

00:31:22.140 And while I

00:31:23.080 was there, the

00:31:23.880 environmental

00:31:24.860 police came

00:31:25.740 into his

00:31:26.140 office and

00:31:26.800 adjusted his

00:31:27.980 thermostat so

00:31:29.820 that he

00:31:30.120 couldn't keep

00:31:30.940 it cool

00:31:31.460 fundamentally

00:31:32.120 because of

00:31:32.760 the green

00:31:33.180 requirements.

00:31:34.080 And there

00:31:34.460 wasn't a

00:31:34.860 damn thing

00:31:35.380 he could do 1.00

00:31:35.840 about it.

00:31:36.920 And, you

00:31:38.420 know, I've

00:31:38.740 talked to

00:31:39.100 Bjorn Lomberg

00:31:39.760 about thermostat

00:31:41.260 adjustments and

00:31:42.320 the fact that

00:31:43.420 they're deadly

00:31:46.840 essentially,

00:31:47.660 especially to

00:31:48.220 elderly people,

00:31:48.960 especially in

00:31:49.520 the winter.

00:31:49.840 But I

00:31:50.400 thought it

00:31:50.680 was so

00:31:51.020 telling that

00:31:51.620 we had

00:31:51.880 gone to

00:31:52.220 this staggeringly

00:31:54.060 hideous

00:31:54.520 monstrosity of

00:31:55.400 a building.

00:31:56.040 It was just

00:31:56.600 a rat's maze

00:31:57.600 inside.

00:31:58.160 There was no,

00:31:58.940 I don't know

00:31:59.560 how you would

00:32:00.140 ever orient

00:32:00.620 yourself inside

00:32:01.360 that building.

00:32:02.180 It's just,

00:32:02.920 it's gargantuan.

00:32:04.500 And then to

00:32:05.880 speak with this

00:32:06.820 elected official

00:32:07.920 who was

00:32:08.400 powerless,

00:32:10.200 he wasn't

00:32:10.860 happy about

00:32:11.440 this, by the

00:32:11.940 way, but who 0.60

00:32:13.620 was powerless to

00:32:14.500 adjust his own

00:32:15.240 thermostat, I

00:32:16.040 thought, yeah,

00:32:16.640 that's pretty

00:32:18.200 much exactly it.

00:32:19.460 So, you've

00:32:21.320 got a radically

00:32:22.060 centralized

00:32:22.820 Europe where

00:32:25.780 the distance

00:32:26.680 between the

00:32:27.360 citizens and

00:32:27.980 the government

00:32:28.500 grew to

00:32:30.380 slave tyrant

00:32:31.780 proportions.

00:32:33.220 And so, a

00:32:34.640 hyper-elite with

00:32:36.340 disenfranchised

00:32:37.540 people, that's

00:32:38.320 what it looks

00:32:38.760 like to me.

00:32:40.040 And so, I

00:32:41.200 don't know,

00:32:41.480 maybe we should

00:32:42.000 start by making

00:32:42.800 a case for the

00:32:43.760 European Union.

00:32:44.580 I mean, if you

00:32:45.040 had to play

00:32:46.520 devil's advocate

00:32:47.400 budget, and

00:32:48.400 you looked at

00:32:48.940 what's happened

00:32:49.480 in Europe over

00:32:50.080 the last 20

00:32:50.680 years, do you

00:32:51.740 think there's

00:32:52.240 been advantages

00:32:53.020 to the

00:32:53.460 European project?

00:32:54.500 I mean, the

00:32:54.760 UK certainly

00:32:55.460 decided no, and

00:32:56.920 decided to go

00:32:57.520 their own way,

00:32:58.360 which I think

00:32:58.960 all things

00:32:59.380 considered was a

00:33:00.100 good idea, and

00:33:01.060 then they went

00:33:01.500 and elected a

00:33:02.080 Labour government,

00:33:03.000 so, you know,

00:33:04.000 that's a

00:33:04.560 catastrophe.

00:33:05.300 But tell me

00:33:06.800 what you think,

00:33:08.080 you know, you

00:33:08.980 intimated your

00:33:10.120 displeasure with

00:33:11.000 the European Union

00:33:11.800 and the Euro,

00:33:12.520 so why don't you

00:33:13.100 lay out why,

00:33:14.740 and give the

00:33:15.680 devil his due

00:33:16.560 to?

00:33:17.980 Well, when it

00:33:19.680 started out, it

00:33:20.860 was a really good

00:33:21.880 idea, actually.

00:33:22.900 And how did it

00:33:23.560 start out?

00:33:24.220 Well, it started

00:33:24.800 out that the

00:33:26.260 European countries

00:33:27.240 decided to form a

00:33:28.980 trade union, kind

00:33:30.260 of, you know, so

00:33:31.520 there was called

00:33:32.320 the European

00:33:32.780 Economic Union,

00:33:36.620 and that was

00:33:38.060 pretty much it.

00:33:38.880 They were just,

00:33:39.540 you know, seeing

00:33:40.100 how can we

00:33:40.680 support each

00:33:41.240 other, and,

00:33:42.800 you know, we'll

00:33:43.300 get rid of

00:33:43.920 tariffs and

00:33:44.560 everything, to

00:33:45.660 kind of

00:33:46.100 liberalize, you

00:33:47.320 know, how we

00:33:48.360 trade among

00:33:49.620 each other, but

00:33:50.720 that was it.

00:33:51.920 That was the

00:33:52.440 whole purpose of,

00:33:53.540 you know, getting

00:33:54.000 together, at

00:33:55.240 least so we

00:33:55.820 were told.

00:33:58.200 I'm pretty

00:33:58.880 convinced at

00:33:59.420 this point, it

00:34:00.280 was the idea

00:34:01.520 all along to

00:34:03.020 gradually upgrade

00:34:04.420 this whole

00:34:04.980 monstrum, you

00:34:06.300 said it

00:34:06.700 correctly, into

00:34:08.880 this supranational

00:34:10.120 kind of

00:34:11.640 government,

00:34:12.400 pretty much.

00:34:12.920 so, but

00:34:14.960 that was

00:34:15.740 legitimate back

00:34:16.660 then, and it

00:34:17.280 worked, you

00:34:18.260 know, it was a

00:34:19.120 good idea, but

00:34:21.020 like I said, then

00:34:21.680 they started

00:34:22.220 evolving from

00:34:23.720 there, you

00:34:24.460 know, and

00:34:25.300 they, sovereign

00:34:27.340 rights were

00:34:28.700 relinquished.

00:34:30.540 In the beginning,

00:34:31.560 it was just, you

00:34:32.360 know, things that

00:34:33.400 kind of made

00:34:34.320 sense, let's

00:34:35.800 invest in a

00:34:36.460 common kind

00:34:37.700 of external

00:34:38.660 border protection,

00:34:40.340 that type of

00:34:41.340 thing, right?

00:34:41.820 But now we

00:34:43.420 are at a

00:34:43.760 point where

00:34:44.560 the peoples

00:34:46.220 of Europe

00:34:47.300 are no

00:34:47.800 longer sovereign.

00:34:49.100 They are no

00:34:49.580 longer deciding

00:34:51.400 their own

00:34:51.940 political fate.

00:34:53.360 And if they

00:34:54.000 try to do

00:34:54.980 so, as we

00:34:55.920 have seen in

00:34:56.520 Romania just 0.85

00:34:57.260 recently, they

00:34:59.320 just go ahead

00:35:00.040 and annul an

00:35:00.980 election.

00:35:01.980 And to this

00:35:02.860 day, they

00:35:03.280 have not

00:35:04.020 brought up

00:35:05.100 any substantial

00:35:06.620 evidence for

00:35:08.560 their claim

00:35:09.480 that

00:35:10.380 Colin

00:35:10.960 Ceausescu

00:35:11.640 was apparently

00:35:13.460 allegedly

00:35:14.000 financed somehow

00:35:15.720 by Russia or

00:35:16.580 whatever.

00:35:16.760 Just like

00:35:17.200 Trump.

00:35:17.580 I mean,

00:35:18.080 exactly.

00:35:18.960 So they just

00:35:19.800 claimed that that

00:35:20.720 was enough to

00:35:21.460 just annul the

00:35:22.100 election.

00:35:22.860 And not only

00:35:23.380 that, but bar

00:35:24.120 him from running

00:35:25.140 again.

00:35:25.960 And he would

00:35:26.580 have absolutely

00:35:27.180 won the

00:35:28.920 elections.

00:35:30.000 So they

00:35:30.340 barred him.

00:35:31.880 They tried

00:35:32.560 similar

00:35:33.160 shenanigans,

00:35:34.560 let's say,

00:35:34.940 with Marine

00:35:35.380 Le Pen.

00:35:35.980 Oh, of

00:35:36.280 course.

00:35:36.820 Absolutely.

00:35:37.680 They're far

00:35:38.220 right.

00:35:38.600 But they're

00:35:38.920 not even

00:35:39.300 hiding anymore.

00:35:40.120 Right?

00:35:40.560 They're not

00:35:40.980 even hiding

00:35:41.420 it anymore.

00:35:42.300 So, but,

00:35:42.880 you know,

00:35:43.580 the question

00:35:44.180 really is,

00:35:45.260 I mean,

00:35:45.720 I'm speaking

00:35:46.500 about, you

00:35:47.080 know, how

00:35:47.940 democratic

00:35:48.740 principles are

00:35:50.280 being abolished

00:35:51.300 pretty much

00:35:51.880 across the

00:35:52.620 board throughout

00:35:53.980 every single

00:35:54.980 Western

00:35:56.360 democracy.

00:35:57.980 And, yeah,

00:35:59.360 it's a power

00:36:00.240 grab.

00:36:01.560 And the

00:36:01.720 question,

00:36:02.580 or begs the

00:36:03.160 question,

00:36:04.180 and especially

00:36:05.380 people that

00:36:06.060 are more

00:36:06.380 left-leaning

00:36:06.940 always ask

00:36:07.600 me this,

00:36:08.220 but why

00:36:08.620 would the

00:36:09.120 sovereign

00:36:09.440 government

00:36:09.920 of a

00:36:10.820 country,

00:36:12.500 let's say

00:36:12.820 Germany,

00:36:13.960 voluntarily

00:36:14.740 relinquish

00:36:15.980 their power

00:36:16.880 to this

00:36:17.760 supranational

00:36:18.600 organization

00:36:19.580 called EU?

00:36:20.960 Well, it's

00:36:21.500 very simple.

00:36:23.700 The agenda

00:36:24.760 they are

00:36:25.500 trying to

00:36:26.000 implement,

00:36:26.840 all of

00:36:27.660 the policies

00:36:29.980 they're trying

00:36:30.700 to implement,

00:36:32.100 they wouldn't

00:36:32.500 get away with

00:36:33.060 that in a

00:36:33.540 democracy.

00:36:34.080 They wouldn't

00:36:35.180 get away

00:36:35.580 with that

00:36:36.020 in terms

00:36:36.540 of if

00:36:37.300 the people

00:36:37.940 saw,

00:36:38.920 wait a

00:36:39.200 minute,

00:36:39.500 that government

00:36:40.060 is trying

00:36:40.800 to do

00:36:41.080 this,

00:36:41.760 then we

00:36:42.040 would no

00:36:42.620 longer

00:36:42.960 elect them.

00:36:43.840 But what

00:36:44.600 if they

00:36:44.960 had a

00:36:46.080 way of

00:36:46.680 blaming

00:36:47.020 someone else

00:36:47.720 for that?

00:36:48.540 And that's

00:36:48.860 exactly how

00:36:49.520 this play

00:36:50.020 is working

00:36:50.680 out here.

00:36:51.220 What policies

00:36:51.240 are you

00:36:51.540 speaking of

00:36:52.120 specifically?

00:36:52.520 For example,

00:36:53.100 the climate

00:36:53.500 change policy.

00:36:54.580 The net

00:36:54.940 zero policies.

00:36:55.920 Exactly.

00:36:56.300 The whole

00:36:56.680 transgender

00:36:57.180 ideology.

00:36:58.760 I mean,

00:36:59.080 these are all

00:36:59.920 things that

00:37:00.460 they want

00:37:01.000 to implement.

00:37:02.240 But they

00:37:04.460 wouldn't get

00:37:06.580 re-elected

00:37:07.320 if they

00:37:08.240 advocated

00:37:09.020 for these

00:37:09.480 things.

00:37:10.200 But now,

00:37:11.160 having the

00:37:11.720 EU institutions,

00:37:13.220 it's pretty

00:37:13.820 much providing

00:37:14.600 them a

00:37:15.020 plausible

00:37:15.520 deniability.

00:37:16.880 Now the

00:37:17.700 elected

00:37:18.740 government in

00:37:19.500 Berlin can

00:37:20.740 tell the

00:37:21.740 Germans,

00:37:22.680 well, we

00:37:23.220 wouldn't have

00:37:23.640 done that to

00:37:24.220 you.

00:37:24.520 We would

00:37:24.860 not have

00:37:25.200 passed this.

00:37:26.180 But there's

00:37:26.740 nothing we can

00:37:27.320 do.

00:37:27.620 It's coming

00:37:28.060 from Berlin,

00:37:29.340 from Brussels.

00:37:30.180 Right, and

00:37:30.580 when national

00:37:31.900 parties, I've

00:37:32.580 seen this in

00:37:33.260 the Netherlands,

00:37:34.240 when national

00:37:34.780 parties try to

00:37:35.560 move in a

00:37:36.000 direction that

00:37:36.800 the Brussels

00:37:38.200 elite do

00:37:40.400 not approve

00:37:40.960 of, then

00:37:41.680 often environmental

00:37:43.240 groups, the

00:37:44.220 Greens in

00:37:44.760 particular, take

00:37:46.080 them to court

00:37:46.820 and frequently

00:37:47.740 win, right?

00:37:49.380 And so the

00:37:50.440 activist types

00:37:51.900 have got an

00:37:52.940 appeal to a

00:37:54.200 centralized

00:37:54.540 authority that

00:37:55.320 can supersede

00:37:56.180 national sovereignty

00:37:57.620 and that

00:37:58.040 frequently does.

00:37:59.180 Exactly.

00:37:59.660 You know, when

00:38:01.220 I saw the, I

00:38:02.420 think it was

00:38:02.920 Keir Starmer, if

00:38:04.180 I remember

00:38:04.620 correctly, who

00:38:05.500 made some

00:38:06.560 denigrating

00:38:07.060 comments about

00:38:07.840 Westminster not

00:38:09.340 so long ago,

00:38:10.040 it's probably a

00:38:10.620 few years,

00:38:11.420 pointing out that

00:38:12.200 the real seat

00:38:13.040 of power and

00:38:13.680 the real

00:38:14.020 decision-making

00:38:14.760 authority rests

00:38:16.360 with these

00:38:17.520 supranational

00:38:18.820 organizations like

00:38:19.860 the WEF and

00:38:20.940 the EU.

00:38:22.940 And so it

00:38:23.880 also seems to

00:38:24.640 me to be the

00:38:25.160 case that

00:38:25.820 politicians whose

00:38:27.560 ambition knows

00:38:29.080 no bounds have

00:38:30.880 their eye on

00:38:31.760 the ultimate

00:38:32.280 prize.

00:38:33.340 And if that

00:38:33.760 means sacrificing

00:38:34.800 local or national

00:38:36.740 interests, then so

00:38:37.940 be it.

00:38:38.480 I have a sneaking

00:38:39.440 suspicion, we'll

00:38:40.440 see how this

00:38:40.960 plays out, that

00:38:41.640 that's what's

00:38:42.100 going to happen

00:38:42.580 to Canada,

00:38:43.220 because Carney

00:38:43.720 has turned

00:38:44.900 hard in the

00:38:46.000 direction of

00:38:46.540 Europe.

00:38:46.960 Now, you know,

00:38:47.600 he's done that

00:38:48.380 under some

00:38:49.360 provocation from

00:38:50.340 Donald Trump,

00:38:51.380 who I think

00:38:51.820 miscalculated

00:38:52.620 greatly when he

00:38:53.840 agitated for

00:38:55.800 Canada to become 0.55

00:38:56.620 the 51st state

00:38:57.640 in the middle

00:38:58.100 of our last

00:38:58.720 election, right?

00:38:59.960 And I think

00:39:00.400 he'll regret that

00:39:01.180 because we'll

00:39:02.880 see, Carney

00:39:03.460 seems to have

00:39:04.040 changed his

00:39:04.740 stripes, which is

00:39:05.440 something I don't

00:39:06.060 understand at

00:39:06.720 all.

00:39:07.400 But I think

00:39:09.140 if he's still

00:39:10.620 the same man

00:39:11.300 that he was,

00:39:12.700 Trump managed

00:39:13.340 to get a

00:39:13.820 pretty canny

00:39:15.220 enemy instantiated

00:39:17.080 on the northern

00:39:17.740 border.

00:39:18.460 And I think

00:39:19.120 Carney is

00:39:19.680 positioning himself

00:39:20.680 as the leader

00:39:21.500 of the opposition.

00:39:22.640 He's trying to

00:39:23.220 do that, the

00:39:23.700 leader of the

00:39:24.200 opposition to

00:39:25.000 Trump across

00:39:26.720 the world.

00:39:27.500 So there is

00:39:28.900 this desire,

00:39:31.040 especially by

00:39:31.700 the status

00:39:32.280 types, to

00:39:33.180 serve the

00:39:34.480 highest possible

00:39:35.500 master.

00:39:36.320 And that has

00:39:37.800 meant the

00:39:38.380 WEF and the

00:39:39.440 EU.

00:39:40.700 And so, yeah.

00:39:42.200 You know, in

00:39:42.700 Canada, the

00:39:43.280 Liberals have

00:39:43.940 decided, I

00:39:44.640 think it's 2035,

00:39:45.900 that we'll no

00:39:46.400 longer be able to

00:39:47.100 have internal

00:39:48.080 combustion vehicles

00:39:49.260 in Canada.

00:39:50.200 Exactly.

00:39:50.680 You know how

00:39:50.920 insane that is?

00:39:51.940 I know.

00:39:52.580 I know.

00:39:52.940 It's totally insane.

00:39:54.060 Yeah.

00:39:54.500 And what's the

00:39:55.100 legislation in

00:39:55.840 Germany?

00:39:56.320 Oh, like the

00:39:57.920 EU is pushing

00:39:59.120 forward with

00:39:59.820 that.

00:40:01.260 That's just, I

00:40:02.780 mean, we're

00:40:03.480 going to be

00:40:04.000 seeing that.

00:40:04.840 But this is

00:40:05.380 like the

00:40:05.880 overall issue.

00:40:07.320 And we are

00:40:08.040 seeing that, like

00:40:09.080 I said, in

00:40:09.440 every single

00:40:09.940 Western democracy.

00:40:11.540 And it became

00:40:12.680 abundantly clear

00:40:13.760 during this

00:40:15.200 so-called COVID

00:40:16.320 pandemic, right?

00:40:18.520 We've seen

00:40:19.340 erosion of

00:40:20.240 democracy, freedom

00:40:22.000 democracy, and

00:40:22.840 rule of law

00:40:23.480 across the

00:40:24.480 border and

00:40:24.840 all the

00:40:25.440 Western

00:40:25.840 democracies.

00:40:27.760 And the

00:40:27.900 question really

00:40:28.460 is, why

00:40:29.540 did they

00:40:30.040 have to

00:40:31.540 push that

00:40:32.440 in the

00:40:34.000 Western

00:40:34.260 democracies to

00:40:35.360 that extent

00:40:36.160 that they

00:40:36.520 did?

00:40:37.360 Well, they

00:40:37.820 didn't need to

00:40:38.280 do that in

00:40:38.740 China.

00:40:39.780 China already 0.95

00:40:40.560 was a

00:40:41.080 totalitarian

00:40:41.700 regime.

00:40:42.520 They didn't

00:40:42.980 need to do

00:40:43.380 that in

00:40:43.780 North Korea,

00:40:44.760 but they had

00:40:45.540 to do it in

00:40:46.120 the Western

00:40:46.620 democracies.

00:40:47.460 Because we

00:40:48.340 do have

00:40:48.840 democracy, we

00:40:50.040 do have

00:40:50.360 freedom, we

00:40:51.120 have

00:40:51.280 constitutions, and

00:40:52.900 that had to

00:40:53.420 be, yeah,

00:40:55.420 kind of, how

00:40:58.040 shall I word

00:40:58.680 this, water

00:40:59.220 down, in a

00:41:00.160 sense.

00:41:00.900 You know,

00:41:01.200 fundamental rights

00:41:01.920 have now become

00:41:02.620 privileges that

00:41:04.020 the government can

00:41:04.960 grant or withhold

00:41:06.300 depending on how

00:41:07.740 you behave, right?

00:41:08.840 Well, if you

00:41:09.500 lose your natural

00:41:10.920 rights philosophy,

00:41:12.320 right, to make in

00:41:13.180 the image of God,

00:41:14.060 let's say.

00:41:14.400 We are seeing

00:41:15.160 that, like I

00:41:16.280 said, in every

00:41:16.680 single Western

00:41:17.260 democracies.

00:41:18.320 In Europe,

00:41:19.440 however, they

00:41:20.520 did face a

00:41:22.500 rather difficult

00:41:23.400 situation in

00:41:25.360 terms of, and

00:41:26.760 you mentioned

00:41:27.420 that already,

00:41:28.500 removing the

00:41:29.360 democratic

00:41:29.920 processes further

00:41:32.400 and further away

00:41:33.260 from the people

00:41:33.980 to get it, you

00:41:35.220 know, so the

00:41:36.200 people no longer

00:41:36.840 know who's even

00:41:37.700 responsible for

00:41:39.400 what decision,

00:41:40.720 and most of

00:41:41.400 all, who can

00:41:42.860 they hold

00:41:43.280 accountable?

00:41:44.400 For what

00:41:44.740 decision?

00:41:45.480 So, this is

00:41:46.120 happening.

00:41:46.800 In Europe,

00:41:47.360 however, you

00:41:49.500 know, just

00:41:49.840 looking at this

00:41:51.160 rather small

00:41:52.420 continent, and

00:41:54.540 I mean, you

00:41:55.060 know, the

00:41:55.320 entire world

00:41:56.100 envies us for

00:41:57.720 our small

00:41:58.340 continent with

00:41:59.180 all these

00:41:59.700 different cultures,

00:42:00.720 languages,

00:42:01.840 traditions,

00:42:03.060 history, right?

00:42:05.480 Productivity,

00:42:06.240 peace, trust.

00:42:07.660 Right, yeah.

00:42:08.400 So, but you

00:42:09.380 would have never

00:42:09.880 been able to

00:42:10.780 convince any

00:42:11.720 single European

00:42:12.840 people to

00:42:14.020 relinquish their 0.99

00:42:15.440 sovereignty, their

00:42:17.380 traditions, to

00:42:19.460 invest it in some

00:42:20.420 kind of, let's

00:42:21.180 call it a one

00:42:21.800 world government,

00:42:22.720 or whatever you

00:42:23.360 want to call it,

00:42:24.160 would have never

00:42:25.000 happened, would

00:42:26.280 have never been

00:42:26.840 possible.

00:42:27.700 But hey, let's

00:42:29.280 tell the people,

00:42:30.000 look, we've been,

00:42:31.440 you know, having

00:42:31.980 wars for centuries,

00:42:33.540 and we need to go

00:42:35.000 and get away with

00:42:35.820 that, so we, you

00:42:36.760 know, living

00:42:37.980 peacefully, let's

00:42:39.760 try to move

00:42:40.960 together closer,

00:42:42.260 you know, so

00:42:42.980 how about we

00:42:43.960 have this EU

00:42:45.220 commission installed

00:42:46.840 in Brussels, and

00:42:48.300 you know, we have

00:42:49.100 a parliament, so

00:42:50.260 it's democracy and

00:42:51.460 all of that, and

00:42:53.060 so people were

00:42:54.700 told this lie

00:42:56.320 that because we

00:42:58.140 are obviously

00:42:58.880 incapable of living

00:42:59.880 peacefully together,

00:43:00.940 unless we have

00:43:02.960 some kind of a

00:43:03.940 king, exact,

00:43:05.640 sort of, right?

00:43:06.720 So, and that's

00:43:08.300 how the people

00:43:08.960 were sold this

00:43:09.700 lie, and now

00:43:10.880 what we're seeing

00:43:11.760 is they're

00:43:13.460 moving closer

00:43:14.580 and closer

00:43:15.160 together, all

00:43:17.060 the more rights

00:43:19.040 competencies that

00:43:20.180 are getting

00:43:20.500 transferred to

00:43:21.880 Brussels, and

00:43:23.480 speaking of the

00:43:24.560 EU commission,

00:43:25.780 what is the

00:43:26.420 EU commission?

00:43:27.680 It's not

00:43:28.060 elected, it's

00:43:29.740 appointed pretty

00:43:30.460 much, so

00:43:31.560 whenever a new

00:43:32.980 country joins

00:43:34.340 EU, they get to

00:43:35.680 appoint a

00:43:36.520 commissioner for

00:43:37.540 that post,

00:43:38.460 right?

00:43:38.920 So it's not

00:43:39.820 based on

00:43:40.320 competencies,

00:43:41.080 what areas do

00:43:41.960 we have that

00:43:42.620 need, we need

00:43:43.480 to fill with

00:43:44.220 someone to be

00:43:44.720 responsible for

00:43:45.620 it, no, they

00:43:46.400 make it up as

00:43:47.140 they go along,

00:43:47.800 that's pretty much

00:43:48.380 what they're

00:43:48.720 doing.

00:43:49.600 The EU commission

00:43:50.540 is not elected,

00:43:52.340 the president is

00:43:54.520 elected in

00:43:55.380 parliament, but

00:43:56.160 it's more like

00:43:57.660 she is selling

00:43:58.420 whatever she has,

00:43:59.680 you know, that's

00:44:00.440 how she got the

00:44:00.960 votes, Ursula von

00:44:02.000 der Leyen, notably,

00:44:03.040 got the votes from

00:44:03.940 the Greens, because

00:44:05.200 she did commit to

00:44:06.240 the Green

00:44:06.640 Deal, which is

00:44:07.940 now de-industrializing

00:44:09.920 in particular in

00:44:11.360 Germany, where

00:44:12.300 this is going on.

00:44:13.500 So the EU

00:44:13.960 commission is not

00:44:15.360 democratically elected.

00:44:17.680 The de-industrialization

00:44:19.180 of Germany seems

00:44:20.280 like a market,

00:44:22.500 what moved

00:44:23.700 towards insanity,

00:44:25.440 have this

00:44:25.920 remarkable

00:44:26.680 situation where

00:44:28.260 China and

00:44:29.980 India are

00:44:31.100 industrializing at

00:44:32.400 a rate that

00:44:33.480 leaves Europe

00:44:34.940 and its

00:44:35.880 negligible effect

00:44:37.180 on the

00:44:38.360 environment in

00:44:39.080 the dust,

00:44:40.000 and increasingly

00:44:40.780 so, and at an

00:44:42.320 ever-accelerating

00:44:43.280 rate.

00:44:44.120 All of the

00:44:45.040 industry that's

00:44:45.820 leaving Europe

00:44:46.880 and the West

00:44:48.280 in general is

00:44:49.700 localizing in

00:44:51.260 China and in

00:44:52.480 India.

00:44:53.440 China's building

00:44:54.160 coal-fired plants

00:44:55.080 at a rate that's

00:44:55.780 just staggering,

00:44:57.300 and we all breathe

00:44:58.680 the same atmosphere.

00:45:00.260 The whole bloody

00:45:01.140 climate change

00:45:02.340 narrative is a

00:45:04.660 scam and a lie. 0.94

00:45:05.520 It is a scam.

00:45:06.440 And, you know,

00:45:09.200 it's a remarkable

00:45:10.580 and destructive

00:45:12.960 thing to see.

00:45:14.200 So there's two

00:45:15.040 things happening

00:45:15.700 maybe, if you

00:45:17.100 think about

00:45:18.040 partly sociologically

00:45:19.700 and partly

00:45:20.380 psychologically.

00:45:22.160 It's the

00:45:22.680 pernicious

00:45:23.180 combination of

00:45:24.260 two trends.

00:45:26.160 I know that

00:45:26.860 in principle,

00:45:27.980 the EU was

00:45:29.860 established on

00:45:31.740 the basis of

00:45:32.640 stated respect for

00:45:33.960 the principle of

00:45:34.720 subsidiarity, which

00:45:35.740 is a principle I

00:45:36.440 only discovered

00:45:37.560 probably about five

00:45:38.500 years ago that

00:45:39.220 has been the

00:45:40.240 time-tested

00:45:41.140 alternative to

00:45:42.740 tyrant and

00:45:44.080 slaves.

00:45:44.820 And the idea

00:45:46.000 is a graduated

00:45:47.120 hierarchy of

00:45:48.060 responsibility from

00:45:49.940 the individual

00:45:50.840 upward with as

00:45:52.540 much power

00:45:53.520 pushed down to

00:45:54.620 the lowest

00:45:55.140 possible level as

00:45:56.460 can be managed.

00:45:57.720 So the

00:45:58.300 centralized

00:45:58.780 authority has

00:46:00.080 a very

00:46:00.380 delimited scope

00:46:01.620 of responsibility

00:46:02.960 and authority.

00:46:04.240 Okay, so now

00:46:04.800 you fragment

00:46:05.440 that and so

00:46:06.380 there's way too

00:46:07.060 much power at

00:46:07.780 the top and

00:46:08.340 not nearly

00:46:08.860 enough authority

00:46:10.820 or responsibility

00:46:11.680 at the bottom,

00:46:12.720 which is also

00:46:13.520 very convenient

00:46:14.200 for people who

00:46:14.940 don't want to

00:46:15.400 take responsibility.

00:46:16.300 and then, as

00:46:18.960 you said, that

00:46:20.400 abstracts the

00:46:21.680 political process

00:46:22.540 so completely

00:46:23.500 that it's hard

00:46:24.260 to keep the

00:46:26.460 elected officials,

00:46:27.460 let's say,

00:46:27.900 responsible for

00:46:28.760 their actions.

00:46:29.880 And so that

00:46:30.520 allows the

00:46:31.060 globalist

00:46:31.740 ideological types

00:46:32.980 to utilize

00:46:34.380 their power

00:46:35.100 mongering at

00:46:35.780 the highest

00:46:36.180 level of

00:46:36.800 enterprise.

00:46:38.020 And so then

00:46:38.680 that brings us

00:46:39.360 to the second

00:46:39.920 issue.

00:46:40.300 You have to

00:46:41.620 ask yourself

00:46:42.280 how a policy

00:46:43.740 as reprehensible

00:46:45.540 and vacuous

00:46:47.280 as the

00:46:48.740 climate change

00:46:49.600 narrative,

00:46:50.700 the pathology

00:46:52.120 of which I

00:46:52.660 think was most

00:46:53.320 amply demonstrated

00:46:54.260 by the fact

00:46:54.920 that it was

00:46:55.760 once global

00:46:56.800 warming and

00:46:57.760 then it

00:46:58.220 become climate

00:46:58.980 change overnight,

00:47:00.440 which is really

00:47:01.360 quite something.

00:47:02.320 It's not warming

00:47:03.220 up, it's increased

00:47:04.140 variability.

00:47:05.120 It's like, that's

00:47:05.880 actually very

00:47:06.540 different.

00:47:07.240 And the fact

00:47:08.100 that you're

00:47:08.440 telling the same

00:47:09.120 story with a

00:47:09.800 completely

00:47:10.180 different premise

00:47:11.060 is extremely

00:47:12.220 telling.

00:47:12.800 And so then

00:47:13.280 you might ask

00:47:14.360 why, and I

00:47:15.420 think it's

00:47:16.100 the age-old

00:47:17.920 story of the

00:47:18.720 Pharisees, is 0.99

00:47:19.680 that these

00:47:20.880 meta-narratives,

00:47:22.480 environmentalism

00:47:23.280 in particular,

00:47:24.440 but also

00:47:25.080 concern for

00:47:27.080 income

00:47:29.160 distribution,

00:47:31.020 their ways

00:47:32.280 of allowing

00:47:33.640 people to

00:47:34.300 claim a

00:47:35.780 admirable

00:47:37.300 reputation and

00:47:38.500 morality,

00:47:39.420 well,

00:47:39.800 doing

00:47:40.500 absolutely

00:47:41.400 nothing

00:47:41.920 except

00:47:42.560 power-mongering

00:47:43.600 on the

00:47:44.720 basis of

00:47:45.280 that claim

00:47:45.900 while doing

00:47:46.960 absolutely

00:47:47.500 nothing to

00:47:48.060 deserve it.

00:47:49.020 So you get

00:47:49.480 that combination

00:47:50.240 of centralized

00:47:50.880 control and

00:47:51.760 moral hypocrisy,

00:47:53.300 that's an

00:47:54.760 absolutely

00:47:55.600 deadly

00:47:56.280 combination.

00:47:57.360 But they

00:47:57.680 kind of have

00:47:58.400 to do with

00:47:58.760 this, the

00:47:59.420 moralization,

00:48:00.820 you know.

00:48:01.660 I mean, how

00:48:02.640 else would

00:48:03.180 they be able

00:48:03.900 to tax

00:48:04.920 people into

00:48:05.640 oblivion?

00:48:07.060 And the

00:48:07.600 question really

00:48:08.240 is, how

00:48:09.000 is taxing

00:48:10.280 people into

00:48:11.540 poverty

00:48:12.220 going to

00:48:14.960 save our

00:48:15.380 planet?

00:48:16.820 It's

00:48:17.300 humorous to

00:48:17.940 even think

00:48:18.540 that we

00:48:19.320 could save

00:48:20.200 the planet,

00:48:21.220 right?

00:48:21.740 Especially we're

00:48:22.580 doing that in

00:48:23.140 Germany, I'll 0.99

00:48:24.000 have you know.

00:48:25.020 We shut down

00:48:25.740 all of our

00:48:26.200 nuclear power

00:48:26.960 plants.

00:48:27.340 Well, you

00:48:27.580 even blew

00:48:28.120 some of

00:48:28.480 them up,

00:48:28.920 eh?

00:48:29.100 Oh, yeah,

00:48:29.540 of course.

00:48:29.820 Which is

00:48:30.080 really

00:48:30.440 something.

00:48:31.100 Well, I

00:48:31.220 mean, you

00:48:31.520 know, just

00:48:32.100 to think

00:48:32.440 about how 0.98

00:48:33.100 ridiculous 0.98

00:48:33.700 that is. 0.99

00:48:34.620 So, in

00:48:35.720 Germany, we

00:48:36.480 had the

00:48:37.360 most, the

00:48:38.500 highest

00:48:38.860 standards as

00:48:40.680 far as

00:48:41.120 nuclear power

00:48:41.940 plants were

00:48:42.660 concerned, right?

00:48:43.820 They were the

00:48:44.500 safest.

00:48:45.060 And the

00:48:45.340 best engineering.

00:48:46.220 Of course, we

00:48:47.620 had all that.

00:48:48.580 So, we

00:48:49.440 shut them

00:48:49.820 down because

00:48:51.240 of a

00:48:52.120 catastrophe that

00:48:53.680 happened at

00:48:54.320 the other

00:48:55.100 end of the

00:48:56.340 world.

00:48:57.340 So, and

00:48:58.680 this hurricane

00:48:59.460 only, no,

00:49:01.240 it wasn't a

00:49:01.540 hurricane, it

00:49:02.040 was a, what's

00:49:02.980 the word?

00:49:03.480 Earthquake and

00:49:03.640 a flood.

00:49:04.220 Yeah.

00:49:05.320 Tsunami, that's

00:49:06.220 the word I'm

00:49:06.600 looking for.

00:49:07.520 So, it

00:49:08.080 destroyed one

00:49:08.920 power plant in

00:49:10.440 Japan, but

00:49:11.720 this very same

00:49:12.520 tsunami that

00:49:13.220 never reached

00:49:13.840 Germany, destroyed 0.88

00:49:15.540 all of the

00:49:16.060 power plants in

00:49:16.760 Germany.

00:49:17.440 And what did

00:49:17.880 we do?

00:49:18.160 So, we shut

00:49:18.880 them all down.

00:49:19.580 Angela Merkel,

00:49:20.340 once again,

00:49:21.340 you know, wanting

00:49:22.040 to, you know,

00:49:23.320 appease just

00:49:23.800 about everyone.

00:49:24.940 She declared

00:49:25.760 the moratorium

00:49:26.460 back then.

00:49:27.340 So, they were

00:49:27.820 all shut down

00:49:28.480 immediately, and

00:49:29.580 then they were

00:49:29.960 taken out of

00:49:31.100 commission, you

00:49:31.880 know, gradually.

00:49:32.460 Despite the

00:49:33.120 Greens' emphasis on

00:49:34.200 carbon dioxide being

00:49:35.300 the world's most

00:49:36.100 toxic poison.

00:49:37.500 Yeah.

00:49:37.800 So, we shut

00:49:38.640 them all down,

00:49:39.920 and instead we,

00:49:41.040 you know, putting

00:49:42.700 these solar panels

00:49:44.080 on prime farmland,

00:49:46.220 by the way,

00:49:47.120 erecting these

00:49:48.260 windmills.

00:49:49.160 I mean, Germany,

00:49:50.220 you know, we have

00:49:51.440 beautiful old

00:49:52.760 forests.

00:49:53.340 They're hundreds and

00:49:54.120 hundreds of years

00:49:54.820 old.

00:49:55.600 We're just

00:49:56.120 tearing them

00:49:56.540 down to erect 0.96

00:49:57.240 these ridiculous 0.93

00:49:58.180 windmills.

00:50:00.060 But solar...

00:50:01.460 Germany isn't 0.98

00:50:02.100 one of the

00:50:02.480 world's sunniest

00:50:03.160 countries, and

00:50:03.960 it's also notorious

00:50:05.420 for, what do you

00:50:06.160 call those wind

00:50:07.040 droughts?

00:50:07.960 Yeah, there is no

00:50:09.400 wind at all.

00:50:10.720 And see, that's the

00:50:11.400 funny thing.

00:50:12.980 All of Europe

00:50:13.920 pretty much is in

00:50:15.080 the same kind of

00:50:16.240 condition as far as

00:50:17.720 winds and that

00:50:19.120 type of stuff is

00:50:19.780 concerned.

00:50:20.140 So, it's not

00:50:21.360 like if the

00:50:22.660 wind in Germany

00:50:24.080 isn't blowing,

00:50:25.200 well, then it

00:50:25.740 might be blowing

00:50:26.340 in Spain, so

00:50:27.400 they can't...

00:50:28.240 No, then the

00:50:29.260 wind is not

00:50:29.840 blowing anywhere

00:50:30.940 all over Europe.

00:50:32.040 So, it's totally 0.96

00:50:33.060 ridiculous. 0.81

00:50:34.160 So, we're tearing 0.99

00:50:34.860 down our nuclear

00:50:35.960 power plants,

00:50:36.920 highest standard

00:50:37.680 ever, but we

00:50:39.780 are buying now

00:50:41.440 the nuclear

00:50:42.740 power from

00:50:43.800 France or

00:50:45.080 Poland or, you 0.99

00:50:46.360 know, the

00:50:46.600 Eastern European

00:50:47.220 countries because

00:50:48.200 they're building

00:50:49.000 nuclear power

00:50:50.000 plants.

00:50:51.140 So, I mean,

00:50:51.920 anyone with

00:50:52.980 two brain

00:50:54.160 cells left

00:50:55.320 intact really

00:50:56.900 has to see

00:50:57.740 how this is

00:50:58.760 the biggest

00:50:59.400 scam ever.

00:51:00.920 Well, and

00:51:01.260 what I

00:51:01.740 understand,

00:51:02.920 and correct

00:51:03.340 me if I'm

00:51:03.880 wrong, is

00:51:04.380 that let's,

00:51:06.720 you know,

00:51:07.000 you gave the

00:51:07.820 Greens a

00:51:08.820 certain amount

00:51:09.240 of credit

00:51:09.640 earlier in our

00:51:10.400 discussion.

00:51:11.380 Very limited

00:51:12.240 credit.

00:51:12.460 Right, right.

00:51:13.040 But you said

00:51:13.640 that when the

00:51:14.420 movement started

00:51:15.180 that there was

00:51:15.760 some reason to

00:51:16.460 be to make

00:51:17.760 environmental

00:51:18.320 concerns part

00:51:19.440 of the

00:51:19.680 conversation and

00:51:20.520 that that was

00:51:21.040 reasonable.

00:51:22.660 But let's

00:51:24.500 say that the

00:51:25.080 green aim

00:51:26.640 was to

00:51:27.480 produce a

00:51:29.140 decrease, at

00:51:29.920 minimum a

00:51:30.660 decrease in

00:51:31.200 pollution, even

00:51:32.360 if it was,

00:51:33.720 even if there

00:51:34.660 was some

00:51:34.980 additional economic

00:51:35.860 cost associated

00:51:36.840 with that, the

00:51:37.840 idea being

00:51:38.620 better to pay in

00:51:39.600 the short term

00:51:40.280 than the long

00:51:40.960 term climate

00:51:41.660 catastrophe, and

00:51:42.580 so it's actually

00:51:43.260 an investment.

00:51:44.020 You know the

00:51:44.440 rationale.

00:51:44.820 And that

00:51:46.120 would be fine

00:51:46.760 if the

00:51:47.320 policies that

00:51:48.240 the green

00:51:49.440 income

00:51:50.500 redistributors,

00:51:51.700 because those

00:51:52.080 seem to go

00:51:52.560 together, if

00:51:54.020 the policies

00:51:54.600 they insisted

00:51:55.240 upon actually

00:51:56.480 produced the

00:51:57.160 outcome they

00:51:57.980 themselves desired.

00:51:59.420 But my

00:51:59.740 understanding in

00:52:00.580 Germany is

00:52:02.120 that now

00:52:03.500 electricity there,

00:52:05.120 like it is in

00:52:05.820 the UK, is

00:52:06.660 prohibitively

00:52:07.340 expensive, which

00:52:08.100 is a complete

00:52:08.580 catastrophe with

00:52:09.860 regards to

00:52:10.540 competitiveness,

00:52:11.680 and has

00:52:11.940 resulted in,

00:52:13.080 it's part of

00:52:14.600 the cause

00:52:15.420 of the

00:52:15.700 deindustrialization

00:52:16.780 that you

00:52:17.680 described, but

00:52:18.880 worse than

00:52:19.780 that, and

00:52:21.060 in particular

00:52:22.180 because Germany

00:52:22.840 shut down its

00:52:23.620 nuclear plants,

00:52:25.120 which were

00:52:25.720 carbon dioxide

00:52:27.040 free, Germany 0.56

00:52:29.080 has had to

00:52:29.720 rely on coal

00:52:31.020 burning plants

00:52:31.800 to fill the

00:52:33.000 gap left by

00:52:34.000 the unreliable

00:52:34.980 solar and

00:52:36.100 wind energy,

00:52:37.060 and many of

00:52:38.060 the coal

00:52:38.420 burning plants

00:52:39.240 burn

00:52:40.320 lignite, which

00:52:41.600 is the most

00:52:42.500 polluting form

00:52:43.440 of coal, it's

00:52:44.640 the cheapest, but

00:52:45.420 also the most

00:52:46.060 polluting, and

00:52:46.960 so Germany now

00:52:48.280 has electricity

00:52:49.180 that's about five

00:52:50.200 times higher than

00:52:50.980 it should be in

00:52:51.680 terms of cost,

00:52:52.440 which is really,

00:52:53.320 really hard on

00:52:54.000 poor people, and

00:52:55.580 they pollute more

00:52:57.300 per unit of

00:52:58.140 electricity than

00:52:58.900 they did before,

00:52:59.940 so it's a

00:53:01.080 failure even by

00:53:02.280 the standards of

00:53:03.100 the people who

00:53:03.800 pushed the

00:53:05.100 legislation to

00:53:06.020 begin with, and

00:53:07.220 all to, what,

00:53:09.520 all to bolster the

00:53:10.940 proclamations of

00:53:12.040 the green income

00:53:14.420 redistributors, that

00:53:16.460 they're moral

00:53:17.440 agents working in

00:53:18.480 the service of the

00:53:19.180 planet and the

00:53:19.780 poor, which

00:53:20.640 they're clearly, and

00:53:21.840 they're clearly not,

00:53:23.140 in fact, quite the

00:53:23.980 opposite, there's

00:53:25.000 been some

00:53:25.820 psychological studies

00:53:26.920 recently on the

00:53:28.780 psychological

00:53:30.180 predictors of

00:53:31.400 support for income

00:53:33.040 redistribution, so

00:53:35.180 George Orwell said

00:53:36.460 decades ago that

00:53:37.700 when he was

00:53:38.780 speaking of the

00:53:39.500 middle-class

00:53:40.240 socialists, so

00:53:41.400 the virtue-signaling

00:53:42.340 types, because he

00:53:43.280 could never

00:53:43.600 understand their

00:53:44.240 motivations, or

00:53:45.660 elite socialists,

00:53:47.340 that they didn't

00:53:48.560 like the poor, they 0.95

00:53:49.520 just hated the rich.

00:53:51.520 Well, so there's

00:53:52.360 been some

00:53:52.780 psychological studies

00:53:53.800 recently, I know,

00:53:54.740 of three papers that

00:53:55.960 measured people's

00:53:58.900 attitude towards

00:53:59.700 fairness as a

00:54:00.920 motivation, because

00:54:01.560 that's usually the

00:54:02.260 motivation, right, for

00:54:03.300 income redistribution.

00:54:04.400 It's only fair.

00:54:05.500 compassion and

00:54:07.840 malicious envy, right?

00:54:10.780 Fairness didn't

00:54:11.720 predict support for

00:54:12.960 income redistribution

00:54:13.820 at all, zero.

00:54:16.380 Compassion predicted a

00:54:17.520 little bit, but the

00:54:18.240 biggest predictor was

00:54:19.080 malicious envy, right?

00:54:20.820 So it really is a

00:54:21.680 destructive, it's a

00:54:23.880 destructive ideology

00:54:25.100 masquerading as

00:54:26.480 compassion and worship

00:54:28.280 of nature.

00:54:29.040 Right, exactly.

00:54:30.360 I mean, you know,

00:54:30.900 whenever, especially

00:54:32.600 young people, you

00:54:33.520 know, they, like,

00:54:34.900 God bless their

00:54:35.520 hearts, they always

00:54:36.540 think, you know, no,

00:54:37.500 the communists or

00:54:38.400 the socialists, they

00:54:40.280 are caring, they are

00:54:41.980 so caring for the

00:54:42.900 poor people, they 1.00

00:54:44.040 want to lift them out

00:54:44.960 of poverty.

00:54:45.820 Yeah, right.

00:54:46.280 And, you know, but

00:54:47.520 it's really not true.

00:54:50.600 What the communists or

00:54:52.300 socialists actually do

00:54:54.300 is they don't increase

00:54:55.800 anyone's wealth.

00:54:57.420 They do not.

00:54:58.340 They do not contribute

00:54:59.940 so that the overall

00:55:01.740 income will actually

00:55:03.680 increase.

00:55:05.080 What they are doing is

00:55:06.400 pretty much just, how

00:55:09.100 shall I put this, just

00:55:10.780 to manage the

00:55:14.040 poorness more fairly.

00:55:16.860 That's all they're

00:55:17.740 doing, right?

00:55:18.740 More, they manage it

00:55:20.260 more fairly temporarily.

00:55:22.080 Exactly.

00:55:22.760 Or they're trying to do

00:55:24.400 that.

00:55:24.960 But they're not

00:55:25.820 productive.

00:55:26.560 It never increases

00:55:27.600 productivity.

00:55:28.180 It never increases

00:55:29.480 anything.

00:55:30.400 Why?

00:55:31.040 Because if you are

00:55:32.200 trying to establish a

00:55:33.400 totally equal society,

00:55:36.080 where is the ambition

00:55:37.500 that is the actual

00:55:38.660 driver of mankind

00:55:40.620 to better themselves,

00:55:42.640 to have a better life

00:55:43.440 for their children?

00:55:44.600 They will be willing

00:55:46.160 to do a lot and work

00:55:48.260 a lot if in the end

00:55:49.680 it means I myself

00:55:51.760 will have a better

00:55:52.620 life and I will have

00:55:53.740 a better life or will

00:55:54.900 provide a better life

00:55:55.940 for my children.

00:55:56.720 But if that is taken

00:55:58.240 away, because you're

00:56:00.760 now being looked upon

00:56:02.040 in like, oh, you've

00:56:03.480 got too much, you own

00:56:04.640 two books, you're only

00:56:05.880 allowed one book, so I

00:56:07.180 have to take that one

00:56:07.960 book away from you.

00:56:08.880 Success is theft.

00:56:10.560 Exactly.

00:56:11.340 Yeah, that's the pathway

00:56:12.920 to rapid poverty.

00:56:14.140 What does it lead to?

00:56:15.240 It takes away the drive

00:56:17.420 to contribute, to better

00:56:20.620 yourselves, right?

00:56:21.780 So people just, why

00:56:23.600 should I work?

00:56:24.220 That drive to better

00:56:26.100 yourself is also not

00:56:28.040 merely competitive and

00:56:30.060 comparative advantage.

00:56:31.560 It's predicated on the

00:56:33.060 idea, and Western

00:56:34.040 societies were

00:56:34.820 unbelievably good at

00:56:35.940 this, that if you

00:56:37.740 produce it, then you

00:56:39.880 get to keep it.

00:56:40.720 Exactly.

00:56:41.400 Right, because, and

00:56:42.960 more than that, if you

00:56:44.920 produce it, you get to

00:56:45.900 keep it, and other

00:56:47.040 people don't get to 0.91

00:56:48.120 kill you to take it. 0.85

00:56:49.340 Exactly. 1.00

00:56:49.960 You know, there's a

00:56:50.660 mystery, there's an

00:56:51.500 anthropological mystery.

00:56:52.700 history, human beings

00:56:54.360 have been around in the

00:56:55.780 genetic form that we

00:56:57.140 have now for about

00:56:58.300 350,000 years, and

00:57:01.020 nothing really seemed to

00:57:02.040 get going until after

00:57:03.320 the last ice age.

00:57:04.960 So you've got to ask

00:57:06.080 yourself what those

00:57:06.960 people were doing.

00:57:07.780 Now, there weren't as

00:57:08.400 many of them, and that

00:57:09.220 makes a difference.

00:57:10.480 But there are theories

00:57:14.180 that propose that human

00:57:19.020 beings spent much of

00:57:20.440 that 350,000-year

00:57:22.640 period engaged in

00:57:24.380 viciously murderous

00:57:26.000 intertribal warfare, and

00:57:28.580 theft from anyone who

00:57:31.720 had anything that

00:57:32.700 everyone didn't have at

00:57:34.140 the same time.

00:57:35.600 Right?

00:57:35.800 The thing about, like, if

00:57:37.280 you own something, you

00:57:38.600 produce something, you

00:57:39.400 own it, that means you

00:57:40.440 get to keep it, and

00:57:41.180 that other people can't

00:57:42.080 take it.

00:57:42.760 So the whole idea of

00:57:44.220 ownership, which is your

00:57:47.700 ability to store what

00:57:49.200 you've produced, is

00:57:50.720 predicated on acceptance

00:57:51.940 of inequality.

00:57:53.180 If you own something, I

00:57:54.520 don't get to have it.

00:57:56.360 So the whole idea of

00:57:57.520 ownership is acceptance

00:57:59.080 of inequality.

00:58:00.500 You know, and it's a

00:58:01.080 weird thing, too, and

00:58:01.900 I've really only figured

00:58:02.700 this out in recent years,

00:58:03.980 is that a certain amount

00:58:06.140 of inequality is the

00:58:07.200 precondition to raise

00:58:08.660 all boats.

00:58:09.860 Right?

00:58:10.080 Okay.

00:58:10.320 And here's why.

00:58:11.540 When something new comes

00:58:12.960 along, it's scarce, and

00:58:17.120 it's hyper-expensive at

00:58:18.780 first.

00:58:19.880 And so what you need is

00:58:21.080 you need pools of, you

00:58:24.980 need large pools of

00:58:26.280 wealth so that some

00:58:28.360 people can afford the

00:58:29.680 new thing.

00:58:30.720 Now, they get it first,

00:58:32.340 and you might say that's

00:58:33.300 unfair, but the thing is

00:58:35.100 is if they get it, then

00:58:37.540 the cost comes down, and

00:58:39.300 then the next strata of

00:58:40.660 wealthy people can afford

00:58:42.180 it, and then the cost

00:58:43.240 comes down.

00:58:44.020 And then if you do that

00:58:45.140 for five years, then

00:58:47.200 everyone has a flat-screen

00:58:48.620 TV, right?

00:58:49.440 Yeah.

00:58:49.700 And so the rich guy up

00:58:50.900 the street got one in

00:58:52.080 2015, but you got to

00:58:54.700 get one in, you got to

00:58:56.120 have one in 2020.

00:58:57.680 It's like, who cares?

00:58:58.940 Exactly.

00:58:59.020 If you can't tolerate

00:58:59.820 that much inequality, well,

00:59:01.440 then you'll end up with

00:59:02.280 nothing.

00:59:03.080 Well, if the communists

00:59:03.920 have their way, no one

00:59:05.120 gets to have the flat-screen

00:59:06.800 TV.

00:59:07.220 Yeah.

00:59:07.280 Well, and that's always

00:59:08.600 how it turned out,

00:59:09.560 right?

00:59:09.720 Exactly.

00:59:10.540 Exactly.

00:59:10.980 The only way of

00:59:12.640 producing equality was

00:59:14.460 to equalize everything

00:59:15.760 at zero.

00:59:16.680 Right.

00:59:17.020 Okay, so let's talk

00:59:18.340 about the AFD and its

00:59:20.600 electoral popularity and

00:59:22.600 its success and the

00:59:23.880 situation politically in

00:59:26.180 Germany presently.

00:59:27.880 So you said seven or

00:59:30.120 eight political parties

00:59:31.340 now.

00:59:31.780 Eight political parties.

00:59:32.760 If I counted correctly,

00:59:33.780 but...

00:59:34.080 Yeah, okay.

00:59:34.500 So it's, right, okay.

00:59:36.080 And so, and three of

00:59:38.140 those are major parties,

00:59:39.440 but not including the

00:59:40.420 AFD.

00:59:40.960 No, well, there is two,

00:59:42.680 two of those are major

00:59:43.800 parties.

00:59:44.160 Okay, and that's the

00:59:45.040 Christian Democrats and...

00:59:46.260 They're not major anymore

00:59:47.320 though, by the way,

00:59:48.340 because there are so many

00:59:49.300 parties now.

00:59:50.100 It's so fragmented.

00:59:50.780 Well, if you think back

00:59:51.480 in like the 70s, 80s,

00:59:53.300 it was either the Christian 0.99

00:59:55.260 Democrats were, you know,

00:59:57.820 50% and then social

00:59:59.780 Democrats weren't and then

01:00:00.840 it flipped.

01:00:01.600 Right.

01:00:01.780 So they were like, you

01:00:02.500 know, close to 50%.

01:00:04.020 Christian Democrats, they, 0.99

01:00:05.600 they actually got the

01:00:07.080 majority a couple of

01:00:08.820 times, but that they

01:00:10.400 were far from that.

01:00:11.960 I mean, the Christian

01:00:12.780 Democrats in the last

01:00:13.740 election, which took

01:00:14.740 place in February of

01:00:16.040 this year, they came in

01:00:17.180 at 27%.

01:00:18.320 Right.

01:00:18.740 And they're considering

01:00:19.640 that a huge success.

01:00:21.460 Right, right.

01:00:22.020 And where, where,

01:00:23.220 what's the standing of

01:00:24.120 the AFD?

01:00:25.200 We came in at 20%

01:00:27.020 something.

01:00:27.880 So, but it was a

01:00:28.840 psychological threshold

01:00:30.180 that we, you know, went

01:00:31.800 above the 20.

01:00:32.920 Then we were polling

01:00:34.240 immediately after the

01:00:35.820 election, because this

01:00:37.080 is just the thing.

01:00:38.180 The Christian Democrats, 0.64

01:00:39.440 now Friedrich Merz, he's

01:00:40.700 our chancellor.

01:00:42.220 The number, the number

01:00:43.600 one issue he ran on

01:00:45.120 during this campaign

01:00:46.580 was, and he said, so

01:00:48.700 I'm going to close the

01:00:50.740 border on day one

01:00:52.000 as chancellor.

01:00:53.480 I will close the border

01:00:54.840 on day one if I get

01:00:57.240 elected chancellor.

01:00:58.680 Well, guess what?

01:00:59.980 The precincts closed

01:01:02.160 and not 24 hours

01:01:03.840 later, he was like,

01:01:05.540 no one ever said

01:01:06.400 anything about any

01:01:07.320 closing any borders.

01:01:08.960 Right.

01:01:09.380 So immediately he, you

01:01:11.400 know, just was like,

01:01:12.360 nope, never even

01:01:13.240 talked about that.

01:01:14.500 So he, once again,

01:01:17.260 the people were

01:01:18.160 betrayed.

01:01:19.960 So they were promised

01:01:21.260 things that Matt's

01:01:22.700 was never even

01:01:23.960 considering to, you

01:01:26.460 know, implement

01:01:27.860 then.

01:01:28.580 So, and that's when

01:01:29.500 we started polling

01:01:30.660 they're at 27%

01:01:31.740 actually.

01:01:32.700 And the Christian

01:01:33.160 Democrats had dropped

01:01:34.040 down to like 24,

01:01:35.080 25%.

01:01:36.020 And what's the

01:01:37.240 AFD at now?

01:01:38.480 We are now back at

01:01:39.660 like 24% and the

01:01:41.740 Christian Democrats are 0.94

01:01:42.620 now up 26, 27.

01:01:44.460 And where's your

01:01:45.340 support localized?

01:01:46.980 I'm sorry?

01:01:47.320 Who are your

01:01:47.920 supporters most

01:01:49.080 fundamentally?

01:01:49.740 I think the AFD is

01:01:50.720 more popular in the

01:01:52.000 former East Germany.

01:01:52.940 Yes, it is.

01:01:53.360 Okay.

01:01:53.720 Yes, they are.

01:01:55.780 And notably so,

01:01:57.200 you also see this

01:01:57.980 trend in the

01:01:58.980 Eastern European

01:01:59.580 countries, former

01:02:00.420 Eastern European

01:02:00.980 countries that were

01:02:02.800 once under Soviet

01:02:04.120 totalitarian rule.

01:02:05.460 They're a lot more

01:02:06.200 leery of the

01:02:07.100 progressive claims.

01:02:08.280 Right.

01:02:08.820 Their common sense

01:02:09.960 politics is more

01:02:11.860 appealing to these

01:02:12.740 people than in

01:02:14.200 Western Germany.

01:02:16.160 But the point that

01:02:17.220 we do have, my

01:02:18.820 party has a lot of

01:02:19.500 support in the

01:02:20.640 former GDR states

01:02:23.760 in Eastern Germany

01:02:24.880 is for a very

01:02:25.940 simple reason.

01:02:26.680 And these

01:02:28.280 people, they

01:02:29.680 remember, and

01:02:31.380 they see

01:02:31.860 totalitarianism when

01:02:33.380 they recognize it

01:02:34.520 when they see it.

01:02:35.420 And they are

01:02:36.180 recognizing it as

01:02:37.400 we speak.

01:02:38.540 They have learned

01:02:39.500 how to read a

01:02:40.300 newspaper.

01:02:41.140 It's not important

01:02:41.900 what the newspaper

01:02:42.740 says.

01:02:43.420 It's more important

01:02:44.220 what doesn't the

01:02:44.980 newspaper say, and

01:02:46.320 what does it say

01:02:47.020 in between the

01:02:47.720 lines.

01:02:48.080 And they have

01:02:49.420 very fine

01:02:50.560 mechanisms that

01:02:52.780 they can sense

01:02:53.700 if something is

01:02:56.240 not democratic,

01:02:58.480 like free speech.

01:02:59.720 Free speech is

01:03:00.800 being stripped

01:03:01.480 away pretty much

01:03:02.680 everywhere.

01:03:03.660 So they see

01:03:05.140 totalitarianism.

01:03:06.680 They see it,

01:03:08.220 once again,

01:03:09.340 being ushered in.

01:03:10.500 And that's why

01:03:11.100 they're voting in

01:03:12.220 vast numbers for us.

01:03:13.220 So we are like

01:03:14.480 38, 39 percent,

01:03:16.700 even 40 percent

01:03:17.640 in the eastern

01:03:18.580 German states.

01:03:20.740 And it's really,

01:03:22.780 you know, just

01:03:23.240 looking back, I

01:03:24.240 experienced when

01:03:24.980 the wall came

01:03:25.540 down.

01:03:26.940 So I probably

01:03:28.340 have to start

01:03:28.940 here saying,

01:03:30.440 my family, my

01:03:32.980 parents, and my

01:03:34.280 siblings, we were

01:03:35.220 the only ones from

01:03:36.200 my family that

01:03:36.960 actually lived in

01:03:37.680 West Germany.

01:03:38.200 The rest of my

01:03:39.460 family, aunts,

01:03:40.520 uncles, cousins,

01:03:42.140 grandparents, they

01:03:43.240 all lived in

01:03:43.920 eastern Germany.

01:03:45.040 And the reason

01:03:45.720 being is my

01:03:47.740 dad was arrested

01:03:49.060 in 1950.

01:03:50.060 So my parents

01:03:50.700 were born and

01:03:51.620 raised in

01:03:52.960 Erfurt, this

01:03:53.780 Thuringia, it's 0.96

01:03:55.020 eastern Germany,

01:03:56.440 born and raised

01:03:58.060 there.

01:03:58.640 And my dad was

01:03:59.680 arrested in

01:04:00.300 1950 for

01:04:02.680 having allegedly

01:04:04.200 entertained or

01:04:05.660 been involved in

01:04:07.660 anti-Soviet

01:04:08.520 espionage.

01:04:11.480 So he was

01:04:12.060 arrested, he

01:04:12.760 was tried, it

01:04:14.020 was all done in

01:04:15.120 Russian, by the

01:04:15.800 way, and he

01:04:16.760 was sentenced to

01:04:17.400 25 years of

01:04:18.360 hard labor to

01:04:19.900 one of the most

01:04:20.680 horrific political

01:04:21.700 prisons you can

01:04:22.440 imagine, Bautzen.

01:04:24.260 So unfortunately

01:04:25.960 he only had to

01:04:26.700 serve five years

01:04:27.680 of his term.

01:04:29.200 Only?

01:04:30.040 Only, exactly.

01:04:32.020 So he was

01:04:33.020 released, he was

01:04:34.300 arrested when he

01:04:34.860 was 22.

01:04:36.020 And once he

01:04:36.760 found out that

01:04:37.360 was in

01:04:37.700 Bautzen, they 1.00

01:04:38.680 wouldn't even

01:04:39.060 tell him how

01:04:39.680 long he got, how

01:04:41.280 long the

01:04:42.120 sentence was, a

01:04:43.740 comrade of his

01:04:44.460 in Bautzen, he

01:04:45.280 could read

01:04:45.760 Russian, and he 0.96

01:04:47.100 told him 25

01:04:47.920 years, my father

01:04:49.060 was devastated, I

01:04:50.380 mean 22 years

01:04:51.300 old, plus 27, I'm

01:04:53.100 going to be an

01:04:53.460 old man by the

01:04:54.500 time I get out

01:04:55.060 of here.

01:04:55.700 So anyway, he

01:04:56.380 was released in

01:04:57.280 55, and he

01:04:59.260 still would shut

01:04:59.900 up, he still

01:05:00.780 would not shut

01:05:01.560 up.

01:05:01.780 Amazing.

01:05:02.120 I know, so

01:05:03.440 then he was

01:05:05.000 about to get

01:05:06.000 arrested a second

01:05:06.600 time in 59, but

01:05:08.180 that time he was

01:05:08.800 warned, and he

01:05:10.600 fled, GDR,

01:05:12.480 Easter, Saturday

01:05:13.820 before Easter in

01:05:15.560 59.

01:05:16.620 My mom, with my

01:05:18.360 two older

01:05:18.840 sisters who had

01:05:19.640 already been

01:05:20.180 born, she

01:05:21.220 followed him in

01:05:22.060 61, May of

01:05:23.080 61.

01:05:24.120 So I had the

01:05:25.160 luck, I was

01:05:25.560 born.

01:05:25.580 How did they

01:05:25.900 get out?

01:05:27.220 Once my dad

01:05:28.680 left, it wasn't

01:05:29.560 that big a deal.

01:05:30.420 There was no

01:05:30.960 border, no

01:05:31.680 nothing.

01:05:32.560 So it was 59,

01:05:33.660 like I said.

01:05:34.420 He just, you

01:05:34.920 know, pretty much

01:05:35.800 got, you couldn't

01:05:36.560 tell anyone that

01:05:37.720 you were trying to

01:05:38.520 leave, right?

01:05:39.360 You just did it.

01:05:40.600 So when my mom

01:05:41.720 did it in 61, it

01:05:42.860 was a little more

01:05:44.880 difficult.

01:05:45.840 The wall hadn't

01:05:47.340 been built, but it

01:05:48.800 was already closed

01:05:49.540 off.

01:05:50.420 So that was, that's

01:05:52.140 a whole other story

01:05:53.020 for some other

01:05:53.780 time.

01:05:54.560 So anyhow,

01:05:54.980 I was born and

01:05:57.140 raised in Western

01:05:57.820 Germany, but

01:05:58.720 whenever my family

01:06:01.000 went anywhere,

01:06:02.320 ever, it was

01:06:03.380 always GDR,

01:06:05.220 always.

01:06:06.420 And I still

01:06:07.760 remember the

01:06:08.320 first time we

01:06:08.920 were even allowed

01:06:09.580 to go, there

01:06:10.760 was Easter

01:06:11.780 of 74.

01:06:14.040 And the

01:06:14.500 Chancellor of

01:06:14.940 Germany had 0.85

01:06:15.500 struck a deal

01:06:16.160 with GDR because

01:06:17.040 they needed

01:06:17.520 money, they

01:06:18.340 were in

01:06:18.580 desperate need

01:06:19.100 of money, and

01:06:20.620 he negotiated

01:06:22.040 with them,

01:06:22.700 well, look,

01:06:23.460 you know, we

01:06:23.960 help you

01:06:24.420 financially,

01:06:24.980 but in

01:06:26.460 return, you

01:06:27.420 will have

01:06:27.920 to ease

01:06:29.680 the

01:06:30.400 restrictions

01:06:30.940 on travel

01:06:31.920 between the

01:06:32.580 countries.

01:06:33.720 So, and

01:06:34.440 for the very

01:06:35.220 first time,

01:06:36.620 refuge, or

01:06:37.820 the ones that

01:06:38.380 had fledged

01:06:38.920 the country,

01:06:40.120 they were

01:06:40.640 considered

01:06:41.060 state of

01:06:41.780 the, of

01:06:42.160 GDR, enemy 0.98

01:06:43.200 of the state

01:06:44.060 of GDR.

01:06:45.100 For the very

01:06:45.920 first time, they

01:06:46.580 were allowed

01:06:46.920 back in the

01:06:47.620 country to

01:06:48.200 visit.

01:06:49.140 So, I was

01:06:50.200 six years at

01:06:50.840 the time, but

01:06:51.380 I'll never,

01:06:52.700 never forget

01:06:53.340 that, so

01:06:54.580 we were

01:06:55.040 tearing up,

01:06:56.700 I'm sorry, as

01:06:57.520 we were

01:06:57.740 driving up to

01:06:58.420 the border, I

01:06:59.520 mean, there

01:06:59.780 were cars and

01:07:01.160 cars and

01:07:01.960 cars and

01:07:02.640 cars, and

01:07:03.660 we were

01:07:04.060 like standing

01:07:04.520 in four, four

01:07:06.180 cars in a row

01:07:07.160 just trying to

01:07:08.020 get in, and,

01:07:09.500 but it was

01:07:10.600 like you never

01:07:11.320 knew what

01:07:11.780 happened, you

01:07:12.840 never knew what

01:07:14.260 are they going

01:07:15.040 to do to you

01:07:15.700 this time, take

01:07:17.160 your car apart,

01:07:18.580 you know, because

01:07:19.100 they're looking for

01:07:19.800 some magazine

01:07:20.480 or whatever, it

01:07:22.140 was like, it

01:07:23.840 was always like

01:07:24.740 Russian roulette

01:07:26.160 pretty much, you

01:07:27.380 know, will you

01:07:28.900 be able to get

01:07:29.520 back out?

01:07:30.320 You never really

01:07:31.240 knew, so, but

01:07:32.720 the first time we

01:07:33.900 went there, that

01:07:34.680 was, yeah, so

01:07:37.360 anyhow, we went

01:07:38.680 there, and then

01:07:40.100 now going fast

01:07:42.660 forward to 89,

01:07:44.700 in May of 89,

01:07:46.520 in Hungary, there

01:07:48.500 was a pan-European

01:07:50.020 festival of some

01:07:51.160 kind, and

01:07:52.540 Hungarian government

01:07:53.820 for whatever

01:07:54.560 reason, had

01:07:55.920 decided to

01:07:57.660 open up a

01:07:58.920 gate, there

01:07:59.800 was the border

01:08:00.840 to Austria,

01:08:02.520 right, to the

01:08:03.100 Western world

01:08:04.400 pretty much, and

01:08:05.300 they decided to

01:08:06.380 open that up so

01:08:07.680 that people could,

01:08:08.680 you know, walk

01:08:09.720 back and forth

01:08:10.480 for that day, the

01:08:11.580 plan was only for

01:08:12.660 that day, but

01:08:14.700 there was a lot

01:08:16.200 of people from

01:08:16.800 GDR, they were

01:08:17.960 visiting Hungary,

01:08:19.520 that was like the

01:08:20.500 only country they

01:08:21.140 could really go to

01:08:22.140 within the Eastern

01:08:23.000 Bloc they were 1.00

01:08:23.780 allowed to travel

01:08:24.760 to, and they,

01:08:26.800 that gate's open,

01:08:27.840 that gate's open,

01:08:28.720 there were like

01:08:29.060 400 people, once

01:08:31.180 they realized that

01:08:32.040 they fled, right,

01:08:33.240 to Austria, so,

01:08:35.280 but since Hungary

01:08:36.100 had done that, they

01:08:37.620 couldn't really go

01:08:39.140 back on that, so

01:08:41.020 then they decided to

01:08:42.500 just tear down,

01:08:43.640 start tearing down

01:08:44.680 this fence, and

01:08:47.300 that sparked

01:08:48.360 something with

01:08:49.440 the population in

01:08:50.660 GDR, and they

01:08:51.440 were fed up, you

01:08:52.620 know, with this

01:08:53.060 communist system and

01:08:54.100 everything, so

01:08:55.360 then they started

01:08:56.240 to take to the

01:08:57.200 streets, every

01:08:58.240 Monday night, they

01:08:59.340 would protest, in

01:09:00.440 the beginning it

01:09:01.000 was only a few

01:09:01.680 people, so the

01:09:03.480 Stasi came in, 0.97

01:09:04.840 you know, the

01:09:05.340 secret state

01:09:06.160 police, Stasi

01:09:08.180 came in and,

01:09:08.960 you know, just

01:09:09.320 arrested them.

01:09:09.540 Who were particularly

01:09:09.900 vicious in East

01:09:10.880 Germany.

01:09:11.220 arrested them, you

01:09:12.900 know, to never, to

01:09:13.900 be seen again,

01:09:14.740 whatever, the

01:09:15.780 families didn't

01:09:16.300 even know where

01:09:16.840 their relatives

01:09:18.400 were, but once

01:09:21.220 this process all

01:09:22.360 started, it was

01:09:23.520 like the genie was

01:09:24.920 out of the bottle

01:09:25.620 kind of thing, and

01:09:26.640 there was no way of

01:09:27.400 getting it back in,

01:09:28.340 right, so it

01:09:29.340 evolved, and I've

01:09:32.600 been watching the

01:09:34.200 news ever since that

01:09:35.300 happened in Hungary,

01:09:36.260 and was like,

01:09:37.260 something is

01:09:37.960 evolving here, and

01:09:39.020 they're not

01:09:39.560 going to be able

01:09:40.060 to, you know,

01:09:41.560 contain it.

01:09:42.860 I was sure of

01:09:43.700 that, this is just

01:09:44.940 going to go now, so

01:09:46.260 I was watching the

01:09:47.480 news, every news

01:09:48.520 show on every

01:09:49.540 channel, I was

01:09:50.360 videotaping it to

01:09:51.820 preserve it, you

01:09:52.800 know, whatever, so

01:09:53.780 I was really

01:09:54.260 following this whole

01:09:55.300 process very, very

01:09:56.880 closely, and then

01:09:59.680 the people of GDR,

01:10:02.600 they occupied, they

01:10:04.040 not occupied, but

01:10:05.500 fled to the embassy

01:10:07.660 in Prague, and

01:10:09.640 pretty much the

01:10:10.380 embassy in Prague, it

01:10:11.320 was just overflowing,

01:10:12.460 I mean, there were

01:10:12.880 like 3,000 citizens

01:10:14.360 of GDR in the

01:10:16.560 embassy requesting

01:10:18.800 asylum, but the

01:10:21.800 German embassy, they

01:10:22.660 couldn't, like, take

01:10:23.680 him out, because

01:10:24.540 they would have to

01:10:25.320 use a landline,

01:10:26.440 right, which

01:10:27.340 inevitably would

01:10:28.780 have meant crossing

01:10:29.880 communist territory,

01:10:31.680 Soviet-controlled

01:10:32.660 territory, so they 0.78

01:10:34.040 were just trapped

01:10:34.720 there.

01:10:35.260 So, once again,

01:10:35.760 they were negotiating,

01:10:37.500 and then it was

01:10:39.300 September 30th in

01:10:40.940 89, the very first

01:10:42.980 train with all of

01:10:44.040 these refugees was

01:10:45.420 transported out of

01:10:47.460 Prague into western

01:10:49.320 Germany.

01:10:50.480 The GDR, however, the

01:10:51.920 government, they made

01:10:52.780 a drastic mistake, they

01:10:55.420 insisted that this

01:10:57.460 train would not take a

01:10:59.060 direct route, which

01:11:00.180 would have been

01:11:00.980 Austria and then

01:11:01.980 western Germany, they 0.99

01:11:03.580 insisted this train has

01:11:05.320 to cross through GDR

01:11:07.340 territory, because they

01:11:09.100 wanted to keep their

01:11:09.800 face and wanted to

01:11:11.160 say, look, they didn't

01:11:12.640 flee, we expelled

01:11:13.660 them.

01:11:14.220 That was, you know,

01:11:15.200 their rationale behind

01:11:16.180 that.

01:11:17.340 Well, that was a big

01:11:19.100 mistake, because what it

01:11:20.400 led to, once it was

01:11:21.780 known that this train

01:11:23.140 was traveling through

01:11:24.360 GDR territory, the

01:11:26.600 people were just

01:11:27.400 lining up by the

01:11:28.420 thousands along the,

01:11:30.340 where the train was

01:11:31.380 going to come through,

01:11:32.420 in the hopes of being

01:11:34.260 able to jump on the

01:11:35.460 train, right?

01:11:36.700 So, they were

01:11:37.620 completely overwhelmed

01:11:39.100 with keeping all of

01:11:40.320 these people off of

01:11:41.800 the tracks and off of

01:11:43.500 the train stations that

01:11:44.600 it passed through, so

01:11:46.040 they never made that

01:11:46.860 mistake again.

01:11:48.020 So, a few people

01:11:49.480 actually did manage to

01:11:50.660 jump on that

01:11:51.520 driving train,

01:11:53.040 especially in the

01:11:53.860 stations where it has

01:11:55.040 to slow down, right?

01:11:56.620 So, they actually

01:11:57.500 managed to jump on

01:11:59.040 these trains as they

01:12:00.100 were going, yeah,

01:12:02.400 to freedom.

01:12:02.960 So, yeah, but the

01:12:05.820 whole system just

01:12:06.700 failed.

01:12:08.600 And, but I still

01:12:11.180 remember, so October

01:12:13.940 7th, 1989, there was

01:12:17.800 the 40th anniversary of

01:12:20.600 GDR.

01:12:21.920 And, you know, they

01:12:22.520 always celebrated that

01:12:23.740 with, you know, the

01:12:24.720 international elites from

01:12:27.120 the Soviets, the

01:12:28.880 countries and all of

01:12:29.880 that.

01:12:31.080 And there, these

01:12:33.660 protests, you know,

01:12:34.820 grew.

01:12:35.600 We're now talking like

01:12:36.760 tens of thousands of

01:12:37.780 people.

01:12:38.820 And they wanted to put

01:12:40.600 a stop to this.

01:12:41.440 The government wanted,

01:12:42.380 they didn't want any

01:12:43.480 interruptions during their

01:12:44.680 celebration of their

01:12:45.980 grandiose state, right?

01:12:48.680 So, they had called in

01:12:51.060 the military to, yeah,

01:12:54.520 pretty much just cut it

01:12:56.180 down, whatever protests

01:12:57.420 there might be, right?

01:12:59.400 And my cousin was in

01:13:02.220 the military back then.

01:13:03.280 He had to because he

01:13:04.600 wanted to go to

01:13:05.240 university and you

01:13:06.580 couldn't go to

01:13:07.160 university unless you

01:13:08.300 had committed

01:13:09.140 yourself for the

01:13:11.620 military for three

01:13:12.640 years, I think it was.

01:13:13.880 So, he was in the

01:13:14.560 military back then and

01:13:16.180 he was called to

01:13:16.940 Leipzig.

01:13:17.580 And in Leipzig, there

01:13:18.340 was like this big

01:13:19.380 demonstration, protest

01:13:21.160 plant.

01:13:23.340 And they were ready to

01:13:24.980 go.

01:13:25.200 They were deployed.

01:13:25.820 They were ready to go.

01:13:27.700 All that was missing

01:13:28.680 was the order to

01:13:30.320 actually move in.

01:13:32.380 And once they realized

01:13:33.840 there was 70,000 people

01:13:36.560 on the street protesting

01:13:38.460 for freedom, they just

01:13:41.860 crumbled.

01:13:42.820 The order never came.

01:13:45.560 But they were ready to

01:13:46.660 go.

01:13:47.580 And the pictures of this,

01:13:49.300 I mean, and 70,000,

01:13:50.600 again, it's a small

01:13:53.520 amount of people when

01:13:55.120 you really think about

01:13:56.000 it.

01:13:56.440 There were 16 million.

01:13:58.140 The population was 16

01:13:59.380 million.

01:14:00.000 70,000 is like, what,

01:14:02.620 0.5% roughly,

01:14:04.400 somewhere around there.

01:14:05.580 That was enough.

01:14:06.860 That was enough to

01:14:08.260 bring the system down.

01:14:10.380 They didn't dare to

01:14:11.700 deploy or have the

01:14:12.960 military move in.

01:14:14.420 So, in these pictures,

01:14:16.080 there were two or three

01:14:17.520 guys that had hit in a

01:14:19.520 church tower to shoot,

01:14:21.940 get some footage from

01:14:23.600 that protest.

01:14:24.700 And they were risking

01:14:25.640 their lives.

01:14:26.620 They literally were

01:14:27.560 risking their lives just

01:14:29.320 to hide up in that

01:14:30.480 tower to film people

01:14:33.620 protesting on the street.

01:14:35.580 And we already had the

01:14:37.320 footage in Western

01:14:38.760 Germany by the time the

01:14:40.400 eight o'clock news came

01:14:41.580 on.

01:14:42.160 So, once I saw that, I

01:14:43.680 was like, it's done.

01:14:45.580 This is done.

01:14:47.260 And it was finally done

01:14:49.160 then November 9th.

01:14:51.080 The German government

01:14:52.120 representative, Gunther

01:14:53.640 Schabowski, he gave a

01:14:56.000 press conference and

01:14:57.320 they had decided to

01:14:58.640 probably to calm it all

01:15:00.720 down a bit and people

01:15:02.120 wouldn't protest that

01:15:03.400 much anymore.

01:15:04.520 They decided to release

01:15:06.060 the restrictions on

01:15:07.000 traveling.

01:15:07.920 So, up until that

01:15:09.100 point, the only ones

01:15:10.560 that could have

01:15:11.080 traveled from Eastern

01:15:12.580 Germany to visit

01:15:13.860 West Germany were 0.96

01:15:15.360 pensioners.

01:15:16.160 countries were people

01:15:17.660 that no longer

01:15:18.520 worked.

01:15:19.460 If you were of

01:15:20.880 working age, you were

01:15:21.880 not allowed to leave

01:15:22.680 the country unless you

01:15:23.900 had a very, very good

01:15:24.960 reason and the

01:15:26.020 government decided if

01:15:27.240 that was a good enough

01:15:28.360 reason for you to be

01:15:29.580 allowed.

01:15:30.620 They decided to remove

01:15:31.920 these restrictions.

01:15:33.860 But Gunther Schabowski,

01:15:35.320 he was somewhat

01:15:36.860 confused and he was

01:15:40.280 just saying, well, we

01:15:41.580 will issue visas for

01:15:44.260 people wanting to visit

01:15:45.820 Western Germany and

01:15:48.400 then a journalist, he

01:15:49.360 asked, and he was

01:15:50.780 like, in what time

01:15:52.200 frame are we talking

01:15:52.980 here?

01:15:53.720 When will that go into

01:15:55.240 effect?

01:15:56.100 And he was confused

01:15:57.120 about that.

01:15:58.040 So, he shuffled the

01:15:59.060 paper around and he

01:15:59.960 said, well, as far as I

01:16:01.020 know, as far as I know,

01:16:02.160 yeah, as far as I know,

01:16:03.420 immediately.

01:16:04.420 And that was it.

01:16:06.300 People heard, I heard

01:16:07.360 that.

01:16:08.040 It was the five o'clock

01:16:08.920 news that was aired and

01:16:10.580 I'm like, what?

01:16:11.840 But immediately, we

01:16:13.280 heard so many things.

01:16:14.260 So, we didn't really

01:16:14.980 believe it.

01:16:16.040 But the people in GDR,

01:16:17.420 he said, he said

01:16:18.180 immediately, we're going

01:16:19.440 to take his word for

01:16:22.220 it.

01:16:22.660 And they proceeded to

01:16:24.240 the walls.

01:16:25.740 And that's when the

01:16:26.440 whole thing came down.

01:16:28.040 And once again, there

01:16:29.420 were no orders.

01:16:30.540 So, these patrols at

01:16:32.860 the border, they didn't 0.98

01:16:34.080 know what the heck to

01:16:34.820 do.

01:16:35.860 They're having thousands

01:16:36.620 of people standing

01:16:37.700 there demanding to

01:16:39.420 just open it up,

01:16:40.980 open it up.

01:16:42.080 And they were trying

01:16:44.420 to reach someone high

01:16:46.380 up in the command who

01:16:47.920 could have made that

01:16:48.760 decision.

01:16:50.240 They didn't.

01:16:51.600 They never made a

01:16:52.400 decision.

01:16:53.360 So, they were pretty

01:16:54.740 much left all of the

01:16:55.720 people at the border

01:16:56.600 stranded with no

01:16:58.100 direction, no orders,

01:17:00.000 no nothing, leaving

01:17:01.780 them out to fend for

01:17:02.640 themselves.

01:17:03.140 It's pretty much what

01:17:04.160 they had to do.

01:17:05.220 So, and eventually,

01:17:06.000 they just gave in and

01:17:06.780 opened it up.

01:17:08.080 And that's when this

01:17:08.880 glorious night of

01:17:10.040 November 9th, that

01:17:11.660 actually happened.

01:17:12.580 Right.

01:17:12.800 Yeah.

01:17:13.140 Well, and all the

01:17:13.660 Eastern Europeans

01:17:14.460 remember that and know

01:17:16.360 that.

01:17:16.780 You know, one of the

01:17:17.480 things that's part of

01:17:19.480 the, I started this, I

01:17:21.500 helped start this

01:17:22.180 organization in the UK

01:17:23.460 called ARC, the

01:17:24.540 Alliance for Responsible

01:17:25.920 Citizenship.

01:17:26.900 And we haven't been

01:17:29.080 pilloried too badly

01:17:30.320 with the far-right

01:17:31.240 epithet, partly because

01:17:33.080 we've tried to operate

01:17:35.300 more in the

01:17:35.800 philosophical domain

01:17:36.840 than the political,

01:17:37.960 which seems to be

01:17:38.700 working quite nicely,

01:17:39.700 but we're not big

01:17:41.260 fans of net zero 0.97

01:17:42.380 idiocy or centralized, 1.00

01:17:45.760 essentially fascist 0.98

01:17:47.000 collusion between

01:17:48.000 governments, media,

01:17:50.020 large corporations,

01:17:51.480 et cetera.

01:17:53.100 And we're also, we

01:17:55.760 also believe that the

01:17:58.040 ethos that makes Europe

01:18:01.220 and the West a high

01:18:03.340 trust and therefore a

01:18:04.820 productive society is

01:18:06.640 Judeo-Christian to its

01:18:08.600 core.

01:18:09.720 You know, 100% of

01:18:12.520 Protestant and Catholic

01:18:13.700 majority countries

01:18:14.820 outside of Africa are

01:18:16.380 productive Western

01:18:17.820 democracies.

01:18:19.440 100%.

01:18:20.120 Yes.

01:18:20.900 Right.

01:18:21.520 And three of, three of

01:18:24.960 the multitude of

01:18:26.700 countries that are

01:18:28.340 Islamic are quasi- 1.00

01:18:30.300 democracies at best.

01:18:31.940 Yeah.

01:18:32.280 Right.

01:18:32.520 That's a stark

01:18:33.200 difference.

01:18:33.720 So let's return to

01:18:35.740 the AFD more

01:18:37.000 specifically to, to, to

01:18:40.000 bring this in for a

01:18:40.940 landing.

01:18:42.420 You described the

01:18:44.020 machinations of the

01:18:47.340 other political parties

01:18:48.440 as a uniparty,

01:18:49.440 essentially.

01:18:49.780 Pretty much.

01:18:50.540 You said that regardless

01:18:51.860 of their original place of

01:18:54.500 origin or orientation,

01:18:56.280 they've melded together,

01:18:57.960 I suppose, partly under the

01:18:59.360 pressure of having to form

01:19:00.460 coalitions, but they, they

01:19:02.380 seem primarily united by

01:19:04.200 their opposition to the

01:19:05.400 AFD, let's say.

01:19:07.220 What is it that you're

01:19:08.460 offering the German 0.89

01:19:10.400 population?

01:19:12.460 You think that's

01:19:13.960 appealing and

01:19:14.980 fundamentally different.

01:19:16.740 Let's see if we can tie 0.98

01:19:17.600 that in with your

01:19:18.420 concerns about the Euro,

01:19:19.800 about the EU, about the

01:19:22.180 net zero catastrophe, and

01:19:24.020 about immigration.

01:19:24.880 Are those the major

01:19:25.820 themes?

01:19:26.620 Are there others?

01:19:27.400 These are pretty much the

01:19:28.500 major themes.

01:19:29.540 Okay, and so what's the

01:19:31.360 AFD's pitch to people, and

01:19:33.540 why is it, why is it

01:19:35.520 gathering steam as it

01:19:37.520 moves?

01:19:38.000 And I'd also like to talk

01:19:39.240 about the fact that, from

01:19:41.080 what I understand, and I

01:19:43.440 suppose this is a lesser

01:19:44.620 severe, what, analog to

01:19:49.800 the situation that occurred

01:19:50.980 in Romania that you

01:19:52.020 described earlier, the AFD

01:19:54.480 is alienated from the

01:19:56.080 possibility of participating

01:19:57.560 in any coalitions, right?

01:19:59.180 You guys are on the

01:20:00.360 outs, right?

01:20:01.260 The other parties will

01:20:02.180 meld together.

01:20:03.960 You're seeing this happen

01:20:04.840 in other places in Europe

01:20:05.980 as well, where the rule

01:20:08.180 is, you know, don't

01:20:09.880 cooperate under any

01:20:11.500 conditions with the so-called

01:20:13.040 fascists.

01:20:13.900 Okay, so tell me what the

01:20:15.540 AFD is offering to people

01:20:16.920 and why you think that's

01:20:18.560 become increasingly

01:20:19.460 popular.

01:20:20.640 Well, pretty much all we

01:20:22.500 are really saying is let's

01:20:24.300 approach politics once again

01:20:26.160 with common sense.

01:20:27.260 What is good for the

01:20:28.980 country?

01:20:29.480 What is good for the

01:20:30.360 people?

01:20:32.120 Like I said, if you, you

01:20:33.840 know, just catering to

01:20:35.740 niche kind of interest

01:20:38.140 groups, you know, you are

01:20:39.720 not representing the German

01:20:41.800 people.

01:20:42.600 So this is pretty much what

01:20:43.860 we're saying.

01:20:44.660 And going from there,

01:20:46.700 others, the consequences of

01:20:49.020 that is following, right?

01:20:50.880 So should we flood our

01:20:52.760 country with millions and

01:20:55.520 millions of so-called

01:20:57.960 asylum seekers, 99.9% of

01:21:01.520 which are young men of

01:21:03.640 fighting age?

01:21:04.680 Should we really do this?

01:21:06.520 Right?

01:21:07.720 Should we de-industrialize our

01:21:10.120 nation?

01:21:10.640 I mean, Germany, we don't 1.00

01:21:11.740 have any natural resources.

01:21:14.000 Our resources has always been

01:21:16.220 our brains, our ingenuity,

01:21:19.180 our, you know, engineers,

01:21:21.960 that type.

01:21:22.560 That was our resource, our

01:21:23.980 only resource.

01:21:24.980 We don't have natural

01:21:26.020 resources.

01:21:27.120 Not a lot that is worth

01:21:29.560 mentioning anyway.

01:21:30.780 So in our industry, that

01:21:33.000 was our driving factor,

01:21:35.120 right?

01:21:35.700 So by tearing that down,

01:21:39.260 it's going to end in

01:21:40.860 tragedy.

01:21:41.740 It's going to end in

01:21:42.760 poverty.

01:21:43.580 That's pretty much what we're

01:21:44.680 doing.

01:21:44.940 And we're already seeing

01:21:45.700 that because a lot of

01:21:47.020 industry, they are moving

01:21:49.160 out of Germany because they 1.00

01:21:50.480 no longer can afford to pay

01:21:52.460 these energy prices, right?

01:21:54.240 They're skyrocketing.

01:21:56.020 So, and we were told, by

01:21:57.600 the way, in 1989, that's the

01:21:59.700 first time that the Green

01:22:00.960 Party became part of the

01:22:03.900 coalition in the national

01:22:05.560 parliament, in the national

01:22:07.300 government.

01:22:08.280 And we were promised that

01:22:10.200 this whole climate change,

01:22:13.840 no, climate change,

01:22:14.680 energy kind of change is not

01:22:17.520 going to, isn't going to cost

01:22:18.960 us more.

01:22:19.520 No, it's going to provide

01:22:20.560 opportunity, right?

01:22:22.300 There'll be more economic

01:22:23.380 growth.

01:22:23.720 A ball of ice cream.

01:22:24.420 It's not going to be any more

01:22:25.940 than that, right?

01:22:27.020 That's what we were promised.

01:22:28.400 People are now seeing it was a

01:22:30.160 blatant lie.

01:22:31.480 So that's what we're people

01:22:33.160 offering.

01:22:33.800 And the most important issue,

01:22:35.900 I think, what we're offering

01:22:37.480 is freedom, democracy, and the

01:22:41.600 rule of law, and our

01:22:43.600 constitution, our

01:22:44.820 Grundgesetz.

01:22:45.900 This is what we're offering to

01:22:47.460 the people.

01:22:48.320 We are offering freedom of

01:22:50.200 speech, true freedom of speech,

01:22:53.760 and not like this so-called

01:22:56.600 freedom of speech, as Idi Amin 0.85

01:22:58.740 would have once said, this

01:23:03.020 dictator from an African country.

01:23:05.600 Yeah, exactly.

01:23:07.340 He once said, there is freedom

01:23:09.540 of speech.

01:23:10.680 I just cannot guarantee freedom

01:23:12.240 after speech, right?

01:23:14.460 So that is pretty much what the

01:23:16.380 uniparties, they're offering us.

01:23:18.900 Or you get to say whatever you

01:23:20.220 want, you just have to suffer

01:23:21.680 the consequences, right?

01:23:23.380 That's not free speech.

01:23:25.200 So freedom, individual freedom,

01:23:28.340 that's the number one thing that

01:23:30.200 our societies are based on.

01:23:32.260 It's individuality.

01:23:33.940 And there we will go into, or

01:23:36.660 probably get into this whole

01:23:38.520 transgender issue, and what's

01:23:44.160 it called, intersectionality,

01:23:47.500 and all of that.

01:23:48.680 You know, I think you once said

01:23:49.800 that, if you divide the

01:23:52.400 population into so many different

01:23:55.520 individuals, right, and even find

01:23:57.780 more ways to separate them, what

01:24:01.340 will you end up with, in the end,

01:24:03.380 with the individual.

01:24:04.320 But we already had that.

01:24:05.820 We already had that.

01:24:07.540 But we're, you know, pretty much

01:24:09.280 abolishing that.

01:24:10.000 That's right.

01:24:10.480 Individual rights are the ultimate 0.99

01:24:11.960 expression of intersectionality.

01:24:14.460 Right.

01:24:14.760 But we were willing, the majority

01:24:17.180 was willing, to sacrifice the right

01:24:20.620 of an individual to make autonomous

01:24:23.720 decisions over his own body because

01:24:27.360 of this, what, virus that was going

01:24:30.360 around and apparently killing, you 0.94

01:24:33.400 know, people left and right.

01:24:34.840 But that was not the lived reality.

01:24:37.200 I mean, they made it sound like as

01:24:39.780 though if you woke up in the morning,

01:24:41.600 you opened your front door, the first

01:24:43.840 thing you would have had to do is work

01:24:45.680 your way, you know, to all the dead

01:24:47.400 bodies.

01:24:48.240 That's what they made it, that's what

01:24:50.080 they made it sound like what this, what

01:24:52.680 COVID was going to do.

01:24:53.900 But lived reality was not anywhere

01:24:57.000 near to that.

01:24:58.660 But once again, they were preying on

01:25:02.060 fear, were putting people into fear.

01:25:04.720 They would put on their masks, stay at

01:25:06.440 home, don't ask any questions.

01:25:09.140 And for God's sake, don't let any

01:25:11.220 scientist speak who has unrefutable

01:25:15.000 evidence for alternative methods of

01:25:19.640 dealing with this.

01:25:19.920 We see that as another reflection of

01:25:21.400 that emergent totalitarianism.

01:25:23.220 Absolutely.

01:25:23.620 So I want to ask you about your

01:25:27.220 international work.

01:25:29.000 I mean, I think, and that's

01:25:31.180 particularly relevant given that you're

01:25:32.740 in Canada and doing somewhat of a

01:25:34.240 tour.

01:25:34.540 And for everybody watching and

01:25:35.940 listening, we're going to, when we

01:25:37.320 move over to the Daily Wire side, I'm

01:25:39.020 going to focus the conversation on

01:25:40.860 immigration.

01:25:41.860 And I'd like to address a question,

01:25:43.420 which is, is it even possible in

01:25:46.080 Germany in particular to take a stance

01:25:49.280 against unrestricted immigration 0.69

01:25:51.060 without running into the problematic

01:25:54.260 labeling of far-right or fascist?

01:25:57.160 And I think that's a more acute problem

01:25:59.240 in Germany than it is anywhere else.

01:26:01.260 So I'd like to discuss that with you on

01:26:02.760 the Daily Wire side.

01:26:03.580 For now, I think, to close this off, I'd

01:26:05.780 like you to speculate about, I don't know

01:26:08.660 if there is a conservative politician in

01:26:13.380 the EU, in Europe, that has a, that's

01:26:20.360 more widely known internationally than you.

01:26:23.260 And I'm curious about, first of all, why

01:26:27.220 you think that is, why you pursue that,

01:26:30.140 because you do, and also what you'd like

01:26:33.280 to say to the conservatives, the more

01:26:36.520 middle-of-the-road conservatives, or the

01:26:38.100 arguably, the self, those who self-proclaim 0.93

01:26:41.740 themselves as more middle-of-the-road.

01:26:44.640 I'd like to know what you, what you have to

01:26:49.160 say to them and what warning you might

01:26:50.740 have for them as well.

01:26:51.700 So let's start with your, your impact on

01:26:55.560 the international front and why you think

01:27:00.020 that's happened and, and why you also

01:27:01.880 pursue it.

01:27:02.540 Let's begin with that.

01:27:04.020 Well, to be honest, I don't really know

01:27:06.000 why it happened.

01:27:08.280 I guess I'm just, I have a big mouth.

01:27:12.860 Well, you're a fiery speaker.

01:27:14.520 My parents always, you know, taught,

01:27:17.300 teachers too.

01:27:18.100 So, but that may be one reason, but I don't

01:27:21.980 really know.

01:27:22.460 But why do I pursue it?

01:27:23.840 I think that's the more interesting question.

01:27:26.280 And when I actually have an answer for, it's

01:27:29.480 very simple.

01:27:30.800 It's during the COVID, it was so obvious what

01:27:37.740 the playbook was.

01:27:39.640 And it was to abolish freedom, democracy, and the

01:27:42.860 rule of law in every single Western democracy.

01:27:47.060 As I said earlier, they didn't, didn't need

01:27:48.760 to do any of that in China anymore.

01:27:50.600 That was already a totalitarian regime, right?

01:27:53.400 So these people are being told to do

01:27:55.280 something, they do it.

01:27:57.020 And they, they have, they have means to make

01:27:59.180 the people do it.

01:28:01.080 But they lack.

01:28:01.840 700 million closed circuit TV cameras.

01:28:04.060 They're multiplying like mad in the West too.

01:28:05.940 Exactly.

01:28:07.100 But they, they didn't have a way of making

01:28:09.880 people in Western democracies to do what

01:28:13.580 they were told to do.

01:28:14.620 They didn't, they had no means.

01:28:16.660 So they needed to prepare for that.

01:28:19.540 And our freedom, democracy, and the rule of law,

01:28:23.620 we are under attack, especially in the Western

01:28:27.380 democracies.

01:28:28.900 And that's why I'm speaking.

01:28:32.480 I mean, most of my colleagues speak German in the

01:28:35.360 EU parliament or they're speaking their native

01:28:37.340 language.

01:28:37.800 I choose to hold many of my speeches in English.

01:28:42.720 And I do so for the reason, because I want, I want a

01:28:47.940 lot of people to directly understand what I said.

01:28:51.940 Well, that's another problem we have in the EU

01:28:54.160 parliament.

01:28:55.740 It's like this, this Babylonic language confusion is

01:29:00.600 what we're suffering from actually.

01:29:02.300 So I want to directly, I want to be able to speak to as

01:29:06.200 many people as possible.

01:29:07.840 And the English language is so, and that's a key reason as

01:29:11.660 well, that your message is spread.

01:29:13.400 Well, you also say things that other people won't say.

01:29:16.260 I'm sorry.

01:29:16.760 You also say things that other people won't say, and you're

01:29:19.700 not particularly polite about it.

01:29:22.260 Like you're very blunt and direct.

01:29:23.640 They're not polite either.

01:29:25.260 No, no, look, that's not a criticism.

01:29:27.860 So no, no, no, I totally get it.

01:29:29.760 But I mean, the time where I exchanged verbal flowers and

01:29:34.360 chocolates, done.

01:29:36.240 Right.

01:29:36.820 I'm done with that.

01:29:37.800 Right.

01:29:38.060 Because they're not polite to me.

01:29:39.640 I mean, they're calling me every name in the book.

01:29:41.860 I've been called a murderer for not wearing a mask during

01:29:45.960 COVID, right?

01:29:47.160 I had reasons for doing that.

01:29:49.060 I had a medical exemption even for not having to wear a mask.

01:29:52.440 Still, I was called a murderer. 0.97

01:29:55.720 It's ridiculous. 0.91

01:29:56.740 So if they're like that, as far as I'm concerned, why should I, you 0.97

01:30:02.740 know, treat them any less, let's say, aggressive?

01:30:06.600 So.

01:30:07.400 And then to close, I would say, what do you have to say to the

01:30:13.780 conservatives who insist upon distancing themselves from you on

01:30:22.400 the grounds of your unacceptable far-right views? 1.00

01:30:27.460 Well, I just wish these idiots, I can't really say it different. 1.00

01:30:34.280 These idiots would realize it's something the left is actually doing 1.00

01:30:39.600 to keep them on a leash. 1.00

01:30:41.820 So it's actually harming them.

01:30:45.100 They're harming themselves by doing so because they have to surrender

01:30:49.560 policies that they otherwise might have been advocating for, but now can't

01:30:56.500 because we are doing the same thing, right?

01:30:58.840 So if we're advocating for a certain issue, they have to stay far away from

01:31:03.520 that as to not be associated anywhere near us or with us, right?

01:31:08.600 So what they're effectively doing is they are, in the attempt to appeal to

01:31:17.880 the left, they're surrendering their ability to actually set policy.

01:31:25.200 If they want to do that, that's fine. 1.00

01:31:27.540 But like I said, I wish these idiots would wisen up to what the left is doing 1.00

01:31:31.840 with them. 1.00

01:31:32.820 It's that they're putting them on a leash and they let them.

01:31:35.860 They let them.

01:31:37.780 So tell everyone what you're doing in Canada and how long you're going to be

01:31:42.700 here.

01:31:43.660 Christine is in Canada.

01:31:45.120 She's in Toronto right now speaking with me.

01:31:47.320 She's going to Calgary.

01:31:48.760 So what are you doing in Canada?

01:31:50.660 Why Canada?

01:31:51.580 And any parting words?

01:31:53.940 Well, I mean, I've really grown fond of Canada.

01:31:57.220 And this whole started with a Canadian freedom trucker, the convoy back then.

01:32:02.760 And again, I saw this happening and I was like, gosh, finally someone is doing

01:32:08.480 something.

01:32:10.360 It was, you know, then I met a lot of people.

01:32:13.480 They said, you know, you resonated, you know, what we were feeling.

01:32:17.760 But I was like, no, it was, if you guys hadn't done that, if you guys had not

01:32:23.360 started the convoy, I would not have had anything to resonate about, right?

01:32:27.420 So it was really, it was a one-way street.

01:32:30.360 It was a two-way street here.

01:32:32.520 So, but yeah, that was just spectacular what they did here.

01:32:37.080 And once again, I realized that this is going to be a turning point here.

01:32:41.520 It was a turning point in a variety of ways because it was the first time a

01:32:44.340 Western government froze people's bank accounts.

01:32:46.560 Exactly.

01:32:47.140 Right.

01:32:47.400 That was a turning point.

01:32:48.920 But exactly.

01:32:49.720 It was.

01:32:50.420 Not in a sense of that it's going to stop now.

01:32:53.600 No.

01:32:53.820 No, that's for sure.

01:32:54.840 In a sense of that will force them to show their true colors.

01:32:59.760 And they did.

01:33:00.880 Freezing bank accounts.

01:33:02.020 You just said.

01:33:02.660 That was the worst thing I've ever seen a Canadian government do.

01:33:05.360 Or classifying people as terrorists.

01:33:06.640 Oh, yeah.

01:33:07.060 It was unbelievable.

01:33:08.080 Right.

01:33:08.420 But they were, they were forced to show their true colors.

01:33:11.880 And that's what they did.

01:33:13.600 And there is this, maybe on this, we can end on this note.

01:33:17.680 There is a saying in Germany.

01:33:19.020 I don't like the person who said it first, but I quote her nevertheless.

01:33:23.820 We cannot force them to tell the truth, but we can force them to lie even more blatantly.

01:33:33.020 And that's pretty much what the freedom truckers did.

01:33:36.300 Right.

01:33:36.980 Just expose it.

01:33:38.520 Expose all of their lies and their tyrannical ambitions and their totalitarianism.

01:33:44.860 That's what they did.

01:33:46.560 And that's why I just love Canada.

01:33:47.960 And that's why I'm glad to be back.

01:33:50.500 Even though there are some people that don't like me being back.

01:33:54.620 But I guess Canada is still a free country.

01:33:57.100 And I will come here if I like.

01:34:01.320 And I do like Canada.

01:34:03.560 And I will be back.

01:34:04.560 Well, I'll be in Germany in the winter, between January and March.

01:34:13.120 I have a tour through Europe, 35 cities, I think.

01:34:16.400 And I can go see for myself.

01:34:18.180 Again, I've been to Europe a number of times.

01:34:20.100 And I'm hoping to go see for myself exactly the situation.

01:34:24.000 So, thank you very much for speaking with me today and for delving into these issues and sharing what you know with everybody who's watching and listening.

01:34:33.920 It's much appreciated.

01:34:35.980 And thank you to everybody who's watching and listening.

01:34:39.100 It's a very important issue, you know, because Europe is shakier than I've seen it in my lifetime by a lot.

01:34:45.940 And that's particularly true of, I would say, France, Germany, and the UK.

01:34:50.020 And those are the linchpins of Western Europe, all things considered.

01:34:55.060 Eastern Europe, arguably, is in a little better shape ideologically, although it doesn't have the population or the economic clout.

01:35:01.640 But why pay attention to Europe?

01:35:05.540 Well, because they're part of the West.

01:35:07.340 And as Europe goes, so go us.

01:35:10.480 So, that's why we're paying attention to the AFD in Germany and trying to sort out what's going on there politically.

01:35:18.960 Thanks for your time and attention.

01:35:20.600 On the Daily Wire side, we're going to talk about immigration and cultural differences because we haven't got ourselves in enough trouble yet.

01:35:28.000 So, join us there if you're inclined.

01:35:30.020 And thanks to the Daily Wire for making this possible and to the film crew here in Toronto today for setting this up.

01:35:35.000 And thanks again, Christine.

01:35:36.320 Thanks for having me.

01:35:37.260 You bet.

01:35:40.480 Thanks for having me.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast - July 03, 2025

559. How to Stop Europe’s Collapse： What We Can Learn from Germany's Mistakes ｜ Christine Anderson

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