The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast - Adam and Eve： Self-Consciousness, Evil, and Death

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00:01:11.220 This is episode 22.

00:01:13.780 This podcast episode is the fourth installment of Dr. Peterson's Psychological Significance of the Biblical Stories lecture series.

00:01:20.880 This episode focuses on Adam and Eve and is entitled Adam and Eve, Self-Consciousness, Evil and Death.

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00:01:39.940 Hello, everyone.

00:01:58.520 So, hopefully we're going to get past Genesis 1 today.

00:02:01.480 That's the theory.

00:02:02.120 So, I finished my new book yesterday.

00:02:07.580 Yeah, so that's taken about three years of writing.

00:02:19.620 It's quite a long time to write something.

00:02:21.840 So, yeah, it's done.

00:02:24.520 Except for the mopping up, you know, copy editing and that sort of thing.

00:02:27.920 So, hopefully it's as good as I can make it.

00:02:30.120 I don't know if it's any good, but it's as good as I can make it anyways.

00:02:32.740 All right, so this is...

00:02:36.740 The stories that I'm going to tell you tonight, I've been thinking about, well, like the ones last week, for that matter, for a very long period of time.

00:02:44.680 But I think these even longer.

00:02:46.060 And one of the things that I just do not understand, I cannot fathom this.

00:02:51.120 I cannot understand how there can be so much information in such tiny little stories.

00:02:57.800 Especially the story of Cain and Abel.

00:02:59.380 That story just, every time I read it, it just flattens me because it's only like a paragraph long.

00:03:10.240 There's just nothing to it, you know.

00:03:11.680 And I think about it, and I think about it, and I think about it, and I think about it, and every time I think about it, another layer comes out from underneath it.

00:03:19.080 And then another layer comes out from underneath it.

00:03:20.920 And I can't figure that out.

00:03:22.380 You know, the rational approach that I've been describing to you is predicated on the idea that these stories have somehow encapsulated wisdom that we generated interpersonally and behaviorally,

00:03:35.860 and then an image over very vast stretches of time, and then condensed it into very, very dense, articulated words that are then further refined by the act of being remembered and transmitted and remembered and transmitted and remembered and transmitted over vast stretches of time.

00:03:52.180 And that's a pretty good argument.

00:03:53.740 I'm willing to go with it.

00:03:56.120 But it still never ceases to amaze me how much information such tiny little passages can contain.

00:04:08.600 So we'll take that apart today.

00:04:12.720 And I think it's especially true with the story of Cain and Abel, because it works on the individual level, and it works on the familial level, and it works on the political level, and it works at the level of warfare, and it works at the level of economics.

00:04:25.860 And that's a lot for a little tiny one-paragraph story to cover, man.

00:04:30.900 Now, you know, you could object, well, with these stories, you never know what you're reading into it and what's in the story, right?

00:04:37.000 That's part of, let's call it the postmodern dilemma, and fair enough.

00:04:41.440 And there's really no answer to that, any more than there is an answer to, how do you know your interpretation of the world is, well, let's not say correct, but sufficient.

00:04:50.560 There's some answer to that.

00:04:51.820 It's sufficient if you can act it out in the world, and other people don't object too much, and you don't die, and nature doesn't take a bite out of you any more often than necessary.

00:05:01.460 You know, those are the constraints within which we live, so you have some way of determining whether your interpretation is at least functionally successful, and that's not trivial.

00:05:14.060 And I guess you can say the same thing to the interpretations that might be laid out on these stories, and at the moment, that's probably good enough.

00:05:21.980 Hopefully, you find the interpretations functionally significant at multiple levels.

00:05:26.720 And I also think the chance of managing that by chance is very, very small, you know, to be able to pull off an interpretation of a story that works at multiple levels simultaneously.

00:05:36.160 You think, with each level that it applies, the chances that you've stumbled across something by chance have to be decreasing, right?

00:05:44.980 There's a technical term for that in psychology.

00:05:47.100 It's called something like multi-method, multi-trait method of determining whether or not something is accurate.

00:05:53.580 And the idea is, the more ways that you can measure it and get the same result, the more confident you can be that you're not just diluting yourself with your a priori hypotheses.

00:06:05.680 You know, that there's actually something out there.

00:06:08.200 So I guess that's another part of this method, is that, and it's also a method that I use in my speaking, I think.

00:06:14.040 I don't try to tell people anything that isn't personally relevant, you know, because you should know why you are being taught something, right?

00:06:21.200 You should know what the fact is good for, and then it should be good for you personally, at least in some sense.

00:06:26.360 And then, if you act it out in the world, it should be good for your family, and maybe should have some significance for the broader community.

00:06:32.440 And I think that's what meaning means, and I don't really see the utility in being taught things that aren't meaningful, facts that aren't meaningful,

00:06:39.800 because there's an infinite number of facts, and there's no way you're going to remember all of them.

00:06:43.320 They have to be, they have to have the aspect of tools, essentially, something like that, because we are tool-using creatures.

00:06:50.040 Well, these stories have that aspect.

00:06:53.020 As far as I can tell, there's nothing, there's no doubt about that.

00:06:59.320 So, here's the stories in Genesis 2, very famous stories, obviously.

00:07:05.480 Virtually everybody who's even vaguely versed in Western, roughly speaking, Western culture knows these stories.

00:07:15.180 And that's something that's interesting, too, that stories can be so foundational that everybody shares them.

00:07:19.600 I mean, you can say the same thing about a fairly large handful of fairy tales, as well, or you could at least until recently.

00:07:25.300 But the fact that stories are foundational, I think, also means that they have to be given a kind of...

00:07:33.500 Well, even if you don't give them any respect, you have to at least treat them as remarkable curiosities.

00:07:40.100 So, why those stories, and why did they stick around, and why does everybody know them?

00:07:44.800 And it's not self-evident by any stretch of the imagination, and you can use explanations.

00:07:49.500 You can use the Freudian explanation.

00:07:50.940 Freud sort of thought that the Judeo-Christian was predicated on the idea that the figure of the father, the familial father,

00:08:00.780 was expanded up into cosmic dimension so that mankind existed in the same relationship to the cosmic father, let's say,

00:08:08.320 that an infant or a small child existed in relationship to his or her own father.

00:08:13.780 And that's a reasonable critique, I would say, to some degree, but it does, and this was purposeful,

00:08:23.680 it does imply, more than imply in Freud's case, that people who adopt a religious belief that has a personified figure at its apex

00:08:35.560 are essentially acting out the role of dependent children.

00:08:39.760 And, you know, I thought about that critique for a long time, and believe me, that's been a powerful critique.

00:08:45.000 One of the best books I ever read, called The Denial of Death, by Ernest Becker, I think took that line of argumentation.

00:08:51.600 It developed it as well as any book I've ever seen argue it.

00:08:57.620 Becker tried to bring closure to Freudian psychoanalysis on religion, and he did a pretty wicked job of it.

00:09:03.960 Like, I think the book is seriously flawed and wrong, but it's really a great book.

00:09:09.600 Like, some books are, well, some books are wrong in really good ways, right?

00:09:12.800 They make a powerful, powerful argument.

00:09:14.720 They really take it to its extreme.

00:09:16.340 I think Becker missed the point, and he missed it in the same way that Freud missed Jung's point,

00:09:24.360 and Becker, who wrote this book on the psychology, the psychoanalysis of religion,

00:09:29.560 never referred to Jung except very briefly in the introduction.

00:09:33.500 And I think that was a major mistake.

00:09:35.260 But Becker took the argument that the hypothesis of God is nothing but an attempt by human beings

00:09:43.680 to recreate a quasi-infantile state of dependency, and to be able to rely on an all-knowing father,

00:09:51.480 and to thereby recover the comfort, perhaps, that we experienced when we were young and had a hypothetically all-knowing father,

00:10:00.020 for those of us who were lucky to have someone who vaguely resembled that.

00:10:05.280 But the more I thought about that, the more that struck me as quite implausible across time.

00:10:11.800 Charles Taylor, I think it was Charles Taylor, wrote an interesting book called the,

00:10:16.320 I think it was called The Origins of the Modern Self.

00:10:19.340 He's a McGill philosopher, and I wouldn't necessarily call him a friend of classic religion, but it doesn't matter.

00:10:25.800 He made a very interesting point about Christianity in particular.

00:10:28.600 He said, well, if you're going to invent a religion that offered you nothing but infantile comfort,

00:10:34.940 why in the world would you bother with conceptualizing hell?

00:10:38.340 That just seems like an unnecessary detail to add to the whole story, right?

00:10:41.700 If it's all about comfort, why would you hypothesize that the consequence of serious error was eternal torment?

00:10:51.540 That doesn't really sound very, it isn't the sort of thing that is likely to make you feel comfortable.

00:10:58.980 James Joyce, when he wrote about that, said he had terrible nightmares when he was a child,

00:11:02.540 because of the hellfire sermons the Jesuits used to spout, spew forth, let's say.

00:11:09.260 And he wrote down what he remembered of them, and they were pretty hair-raising.

00:11:13.440 I think in James Joyce's book, I think it was Portrait of the Artist of a Young Man.

00:11:17.220 Man, he talked about the Jesuits telling him that hell was like a prison with walls that were seven miles thick,

00:11:24.440 that was always in darkness and consumed by fire,

00:11:27.580 and that the people who were trapped there were continually burnt by this dark fire that gave new light,

00:11:34.060 which also simultaneously rejuvenated their flesh, so that it could be burnt off eternally.

00:11:39.620 In case you were wondering how it was going to be burnt off eternally, that's apparently the process.

00:11:44.480 It's not easy for me to see that as an infantile wish fulfillment, I'm afraid.

00:11:48.380 Now, you could, well, you could be a cynic about it,

00:11:51.280 and Elaine Padgels, who wrote a book on the devil, was cynical about it in this manner.

00:11:56.700 She thought that the Christians, so to speak, invented hell as a place to put their enemies. 0.99

00:12:02.180 And, you know, yeah, fair enough, but no, that's not accurate, really.

00:12:08.540 Although it's convenient to have a place to put your enemies.

00:12:11.380 Charles Taylor did point out, for example, that the modern terror of loss of self,

00:12:17.580 let's say the existential loss of self and loss of meaning,

00:12:20.300 was perhaps roughly paralleled by the medieval terror of hell, you know, in terms of existential intensity.

00:12:27.440 And so it wasn't, hell wasn't merely a place where those people that you didn't care for would end up.

00:12:31.580 It was the place where you were going to go if you didn't walk their line properly.

00:12:35.540 And so I don't think Freud's, Freud's critique really holds water in the final analysis.

00:12:41.280 And then Marx's critique, of course, was that religion was the opiate of the masses.

00:12:45.540 And he made an argument that was similar to Freud's, although somewhat earlier.

00:12:49.260 And made the, based upon the presupposition that religious beliefs were stories told to the gullible masses

00:12:56.580 in order to keep them pacified and happy while their corporate overlords, for lack of a better purpose,

00:13:05.160 continued to exploit them and weaken them.

00:13:08.560 And, you know, I find the critique of human institutions as driven entirely by power very, let's say, questionable to say the least.

00:13:22.980 And, of course, every human institution is corrupted by, corrupted, is corrupt, for one reason or another.

00:13:30.740 And it's also corrupt, specifically, by such things as deception and arrogance and the demand for unearned power.

00:13:39.060 And the same thing, of course, can be applied to religious systems, but that doesn't mean that they are, in some special way, characteristic of those faults.

00:13:48.380 And maybe you think they are, and, you know, maybe you can make a case for it, but it's not prima facie, I think that's how you say that, evident, that that also is a particularly useful criticism.

00:14:02.380 I don't buy it. I think there's, I think that's far too cynical.

00:14:08.300 I think that the people who wrote these stories, first of all, what are you going to do?

00:14:12.440 You're going to run a bloody conspiracy for 3,000 years successfully?

00:14:16.840 It's like, good luck with that.

00:14:19.300 You can't run a conspiracy for 15 minutes without somebody ratting you out, you know, it's impossible.

00:14:24.620 So, whatever's at the basis of the construction, not only of these stories, but of the dogmatic structures that emerged from them,

00:14:33.220 I think that it's a terrible mistake to reduce them to unidimensional explanations.

00:14:37.400 In fact, I generally think that reducing any complex human behavior to a unidimensional explanation is often the sign of a seriously limited thinker.

00:14:45.880 And, you know, I say that with some caution, because Freud did do that with religion, at least to some degree, and Freud was a serious thinker.

00:14:52.000 And Marx, I suppose, was a serious thinker, too, even though, well, yeah, he's someone you just, if you have any sense, Marx just leaves you speechless.

00:15:08.340 So, anyway, so that's all to say that I don't think there's any simple explanation for how these stories have the power that they have.

00:15:17.540 I really don't. I don't think you can reduce it to political conspiracy, that's for sure.

00:15:23.040 I don't think you can reduce it to psychological infantilism.

00:15:26.800 I think you can make a case, like I have, that they are repositories of the collective wisdom of the human race.

00:15:34.580 I had an interesting letter this week from someone. I get a lot of interesting letters.

00:15:38.460 I think I'm going to make an archive out of them and put them on the web at some point, with people's permission, obviously.

00:15:46.580 And he said that he'd been following my lectures and noted that I had been making what you might describe as a quasi-biological or evolutionary case

00:15:54.380 for the emergence of the information that the stories contain.

00:15:59.060 And he said, well, how do you know that someone from a different religious tradition, or speaking of a different religious tradition,

00:16:06.580 couldn't do exactly the same thing?

00:16:08.440 And I thought, well, first of all, to some degree they could, because there is overlap.

00:16:13.940 Like, I've talked to you a little bit about Taoism, for example, in the Taoist view of being as, you know,

00:16:20.580 the eternal balance between chaos and order.

00:16:23.640 One thing I didn't tell you, I don't think about that, and I don't know if you know this,

00:16:26.580 but there's a neuropsychologist named L. Conan Goldberg, who is a student of Alexander Luria.

00:16:31.960 And Luria was, I think, the greatest neuropsychologist of the 20th century.

00:16:34.820 He was a Russian, and he was one of the first people to really determine, in large part,

00:16:41.200 the function of the frontal cortex, which was quite a mystery for a very long period of time.

00:16:45.940 And Goldberg, you know how we have two hemispheres, right?

00:16:48.940 We have a left hemisphere and a right hemisphere, and people often think of the left for right-handed people,

00:16:53.300 right-handed males, more particularly, because women are more neurologically diffuse.

00:16:59.380 It's one of the things that makes them more robust to head injury, for example.

00:17:04.200 And maybe men are less diffuse and somewhat more specialized,

00:17:07.440 which makes them a bit more specialized, but a little more subject to damage.

00:17:10.920 Anyways, we have two hemispheres, left and the right, and no one exactly knows why.

00:17:15.180 And we know that they house quasi-independent consciousnesses,

00:17:18.440 because if you divide the corpus callosum that unites them,

00:17:22.700 which was done in cases of intractable epilepsy, for example,

00:17:27.160 that each hemisphere is capable of developing its own consciousness, to some degree.

00:17:32.140 The right, generally non-verbal, and the left, verbal.

00:17:34.720 And so there has been this idea that the left is a verbal hemisphere,

00:17:37.600 and the right is a non-verbal hemisphere.

00:17:39.760 But that can't be right, because, of course, animals don't talk,

00:17:42.820 and they have a bifurcated hemisphere, so if it's right, it's not causally right.

00:17:48.680 Now, Goldberg hypothesized instead that the hemispheres were specialized for routinization and non-routinization,

00:17:55.820 or for novelty and familiarity, or for chaos and order.

00:18:01.180 And so that's pretty damn cool.

00:18:02.640 When I ran across that, I also thought about that as a signal of, what would you call it,

00:18:08.000 multi-method, multi-trait construct validation,

00:18:13.860 because I'd never thought of the hemispheres as operating that way,

00:18:16.600 and Goldberg came up with this in a historical pathway

00:18:20.780 that was entirely independent from any mythologically inspired thinking,

00:18:24.060 completely independent.

00:18:25.860 In fact, it was motivated more by materialist Russian neuropsychology,

00:18:30.700 which was materialist for political reasons, and also for scientific reasons.

00:18:35.380 But the idea is that we have one hemisphere that reacts very rapidly to things we don't know,

00:18:40.600 and it's more imaginative and diffuse, and it's associated more with negative emotion,

00:18:44.900 because negative emotion is what you should feel immediately

00:18:47.600 when you encounter something you don't understand.

00:18:49.960 Because it's a form of thinking, right?

00:18:51.580 Negative emotion, it's like, I'm somewhere where things aren't what they should be.

00:18:56.220 The right hemisphere does that, generates images very rapidly

00:18:58.820 to help you figure out what might be there,

00:19:00.680 and then the left hemisphere takes that and develops it into something that's more articulated

00:19:05.900 and algorithmic and fully understood.

00:19:09.320 And so then there's this dynamic balance between the right and the left hemisphere,

00:19:12.660 where the left tries to impose order on the world.

00:19:16.120 That's Ramachandran, who's a neurologist in California,

00:19:19.560 a very famous neurologist,

00:19:23.220 who also developed a theory like Goldberg's,

00:19:25.500 who said that the left hemisphere imposes routinized order on the world,

00:19:29.240 and the right hemisphere reacts to novelty and generates novel hypotheses.

00:19:37.320 And he thought, and there is some good evidence for this,

00:19:39.660 that what's happening during the dream is that

00:19:41.900 information has moved from the right hemisphere to the left hemisphere

00:19:45.060 in small doses, basically.

00:19:48.560 So that the novel revelations of the right hemisphere

00:19:52.260 don't demolish the algorithmic structures

00:19:55.220 that the left hemisphere has so carefully put together.

00:19:58.320 And I like that theory, too, because it also does help

00:20:07.700 justify the hypothesis that I've been laying out for you,

00:20:12.020 which is that, you know, there's part of us

00:20:14.580 that extends ourselves out into the world

00:20:16.300 and tries to understand what we don't know,

00:20:18.360 and that that part extends itself out with behavior,

00:20:21.340 and also with emotion, and also with image,

00:20:23.240 and then maybe with poetry, and then maybe with storytelling,

00:20:26.280 and then, as that develops,

00:20:28.160 then we develop more and more articulated representations

00:20:30.620 of that emergent knowledge.

00:20:32.940 And so you can map that quite nicely onto the

00:20:35.200 neurologists' and the neuropsychologists'

00:20:38.260 presumption about what constitutes

00:20:39.760 the reason for the hemispheric differentiation.

00:20:42.580 But the other thing that's so cool

00:20:44.180 about the hemispheric differentiation argument,

00:20:46.080 as far as I'm concerned,

00:20:46.900 and this is really, this is worth thinking about, man,

00:20:49.160 because it's a real, it's a real...

00:20:51.960 There's a word that Ned Flanders uses for that.

00:20:57.200 Noggin scratcher?

00:20:58.220 I think it's something like that.

00:21:00.180 Anyways, you know, we do make the assumption

00:21:02.480 that what it is that we are biologically adapted to

00:21:05.640 is reality, right?

00:21:07.240 It's actually an axiomatic definition.

00:21:09.600 If you're a Darwinian.

00:21:11.100 Because nature is what selects.

00:21:13.320 By definition, that's what nature is.

00:21:14.960 It's what selects.

00:21:17.080 And if the nature that selects has forced upon you

00:21:19.620 a dual hemispheric structure,

00:21:21.220 because half of you has to deal with chaos,

00:21:23.480 and half of you has to deal with order,

00:21:25.900 then you can make a pretty damn strong inferential case

00:21:28.560 that the world is made out of chaos and order.

00:21:30.920 And that's really something to...

00:21:32.360 That's really something to think about, man, you know?

00:21:34.820 So you can think about that for a while if you want.

00:21:37.800 So, anyways, for whatever reason,

00:21:40.380 there is a lot packed into these stories.

00:21:42.460 And so, let's investigate a couple more of them.

00:21:45.420 We'll start with this story of Adam and Eve.

00:21:48.120 Now, you may remember that the Bible is a series of books.

00:21:54.120 The Bible actually means something akin to library.

00:21:56.620 And these books were written by all sorts of different people,

00:21:59.460 and groups of people, and groups of editors,

00:22:01.440 and groups of people who edited over and over

00:22:05.000 across very, very large periods of time.

00:22:07.240 So, they're authored by no one and many at the same time.

00:22:12.420 There was a tradition for a long time

00:22:14.240 that the earliest books were written by Moses,

00:22:16.100 but that's probably not technically correct,

00:22:21.100 even though it might be dramatically correct, let's say,

00:22:23.920 or correct in the way that a fairy tale is correct.

00:22:26.540 And I'm not trying to put down fairy tales by saying that.

00:22:31.800 But there's a number of authors,

00:22:33.080 and the way the authors have been identified tentatively

00:22:35.480 is by certain stylistic commonalities across the different stories,

00:22:40.100 different uses of words, like the words for God,

00:22:42.220 different poetic styles, different topics, and so forth.

00:22:45.280 And people have been working for probably 200 years, roughly that,

00:22:49.320 to try to sort out who wrote what,

00:22:52.280 and how that was all cobbled together.

00:22:53.940 But it doesn't really matter for our purposes.

00:22:56.380 What matters is that it's an aggregation of collected narrative traditions.

00:23:03.480 And maybe you could say it's an aggregation of collected narrative wisdom.

00:23:06.340 We don't have to go that far,

00:23:07.280 but we can at least say it's aggregated narrative traditions.

00:23:10.540 And that there was some reason that those traditions and not others were kept,

00:23:13.600 and that there were some reasons, complex though they may have been,

00:23:16.560 why they were sequenced in the order that they were sequenced.

00:23:19.080 Because one of the things that's really remarkable about the Bible as a document

00:23:23.280 is that it actually has a plot.

00:23:25.360 And that's really something.

00:23:26.520 I mean, it's sprawling, and it goes many places,

00:23:29.800 but the fact that something's been cobbled together over several thousand years,

00:23:33.820 maybe 4,000 years, maybe longer than that,

00:23:35.960 if you include the oral traditions that preceded it,

00:23:38.900 and God only knows how old those are,

00:23:40.880 that collective imagination,

00:23:43.940 part of the human collective imagination,

00:23:45.920 has cobbled together a library with a plot.

00:23:48.980 And like I see the Bible as an attempt, 0.96

00:23:51.280 a collective attempt by humanity to solve the deepest problems that we have.

00:23:55.340 And I think those problems are the problems of,

00:23:57.220 primarily the problem of self-consciousness.

00:24:01.280 The fact that not only are we mortal and that we die,

00:24:04.220 but that we know it.

00:24:05.480 And that's the unique,

00:24:06.980 that's the unique predicament of human beings.

00:24:11.580 And it makes all the difference.

00:24:12.660 And I think that's laid out in Adam and Eve,

00:24:14.260 in the story of Adam and Eve.

00:24:15.280 I think the reason that that makes us unique

00:24:18.440 is laid out in that story.

00:24:21.860 And interestingly,

00:24:22.860 and I really realized this only

00:24:24.260 after I was doing the last three lectures,

00:24:26.460 So, the Bible presents

00:24:29.580 a cataclysm

00:24:31.440 at the beginning of time,

00:24:34.800 which is the emergence of self-consciousness in human beings,

00:24:37.100 which puts a rift into the structure of being.

00:24:39.840 That's the right way to think about it.

00:24:41.320 And that's really given cosmic significance.

00:24:43.280 Now, you can dispense with that,

00:24:45.300 and say, well,

00:24:46.040 nothing that happens to human beings is of cosmic significance,

00:24:48.600 because we're these short-lived,

00:24:50.340 you know, mold-like entities

00:24:52.780 that are like cancers on this tiny little planet

00:24:55.260 that's rotating out in the middle of nowhere

00:24:57.440 on the edge of some unknown galaxy

00:25:00.060 in the middle of infinite space,

00:25:01.580 and nothing that happens to us matters.

00:25:03.400 And it's fine.

00:25:04.100 Like, you can walk down that road if you want.

00:25:05.740 I wouldn't recommend it.

00:25:08.400 I mean, and that's part of the reason,

00:25:10.000 I think, that for all intents and purposes,

00:25:12.060 it's untrue.

00:25:13.640 You know, it isn't a road you can walk down and live well.

00:25:18.020 In fact, I think if you really walk down that road

00:25:20.120 and you really take it seriously,

00:25:21.200 you end up not living at all.

00:25:23.000 So, it's certainly very reminiscent.

00:25:25.060 I mean, I've talked to lots of people

00:25:26.140 who are suicidal,

00:25:27.120 and seriously suicidal,

00:25:28.520 and, you know,

00:25:29.360 the kind of conclusions that they draw

00:25:31.060 about the utility of life

00:25:32.360 prior to wishing for its cessation

00:25:34.380 are very much like

00:25:35.860 the kind of conclusions that you draw

00:25:37.800 if you walk down that particular line of reasoning long enough.

00:25:40.620 If you're interested in that,

00:25:41.740 you could read Tolstoy's Confessions,

00:25:43.520 Leo Tolstoy's Confessions.

00:25:45.240 It's a very short book.

00:25:46.300 It's a killer, man.

00:25:47.660 It's a powerful book.

00:25:48.960 Very, very short.

00:25:50.140 And Tolstoy describes his obsession with suicide

00:25:54.040 when he was at the height of his fame.

00:25:56.220 Most well-known author in the world,

00:25:58.260 you know,

00:25:59.140 huge family,

00:26:00.400 international fame,

00:26:01.860 wealth,

00:26:02.360 beyond anyone's imagining at that time.

00:26:05.280 Influential,

00:26:05.840 admired.

00:26:06.260 He had everything

00:26:06.760 that you could possibly imagine

00:26:08.260 that everyone could have.

00:26:09.260 And for years,

00:26:09.800 he was afraid to go out into his barn

00:26:12.640 with a rope or a gun

00:26:13.740 because he thought he'd either hang himself 0.98

00:26:15.200 or shoot himself.

00:26:16.400 And he did get out of that.

00:26:18.020 And he describes why that happened

00:26:19.760 and where he went when that happened.

00:26:22.280 So, if you're interested in that,

00:26:24.120 that's a very good book.

00:26:25.140 But...

00:26:26.140 So, the biblical stories,

00:26:31.060 starting with Adam and Eve,

00:26:32.120 they present a different story.

00:26:35.280 They present the emergence of self-consciousness

00:26:37.540 in human beings

00:26:38.300 as a cosmically cataclysmic event.

00:26:41.480 And you could say,

00:26:42.180 well, what do we have to do with the cosmos?

00:26:43.860 And the answer to that is,

00:26:44.780 it depends on what you think consciousness

00:26:46.220 has to do with the cosmos.

00:26:47.600 And perhaps that's nothing.

00:26:49.040 And perhaps it's everything.

00:26:50.920 I'm going to go with everything

00:26:52.140 because that's how it looks to me.

00:26:54.020 Now, of course,

00:26:55.340 anyone who wishes to

00:26:56.320 is welcome to disagree.

00:26:57.720 But if you believe that consciousness

00:26:59.140 is a force of cosmic significance,

00:27:02.120 which being itself

00:27:04.260 is dependent on

00:27:05.200 in any real sense,

00:27:06.160 at least in any experiential sense,

00:27:07.640 that it's not unreasonable

00:27:09.280 to assume that

00:27:10.620 radical restructurings of consciousness

00:27:13.220 can worthily be granted

00:27:15.960 some kind of cosmic

00:27:17.160 or metaphysical significance.

00:27:19.440 And even if it's not true

00:27:20.760 from outside the human perspective,

00:27:23.800 whatever that might be,

00:27:24.700 it's bloody well true

00:27:25.600 from within the human perspective,

00:27:26.980 that's for sure.

00:27:28.100 And so that's the initial event,

00:27:30.860 in some sense,

00:27:31.440 after the creation

00:27:32.300 is the cataclysmic fall.

00:27:33.560 And then the entire rest of the Bible

00:27:35.040 is an attempt to figure out

00:27:35.960 what the hell to do about that.

00:27:37.920 And everything in it is...

00:27:39.920 And so you could say,

00:27:41.120 for example,

00:27:41.680 in the earliest...

00:27:42.560 In the Old Testament stories,

00:27:44.100 what seems to happen

00:27:44.820 is that the state of Israel

00:27:46.500 is founded

00:27:47.520 and it rises and falls

00:27:50.040 and rises and falls.

00:27:51.160 And so there's this experimentation

00:27:52.520 for centuries,

00:27:55.000 millennia even,

00:27:55.820 with the idea that

00:27:57.580 the way that you protect yourself

00:27:58.840 against the tragic consequences

00:28:00.220 of self-consciousness

00:28:01.240 is by organizing yourself

00:28:02.440 into a state.

00:28:03.960 But then what happens

00:28:04.760 is the state itself

00:28:06.060 begins to reveal its pathologies.

00:28:08.420 And as those pathologies mount,

00:28:09.940 the state becomes unstable

00:28:11.640 and collapses

00:28:12.280 and then it rises back up

00:28:15.420 and becomes unstable

00:28:16.280 and collapses

00:28:16.920 and then it rises back up.

00:28:18.680 After it does this

00:28:19.660 a number of times,

00:28:20.520 this is primarily

00:28:21.160 from Northrop Frye's interpretations,

00:28:23.500 people start wondering

00:28:24.380 if there's not something wrong

00:28:25.600 with the idea

00:28:26.220 that the state itself

00:28:27.400 is the place of redemption.

00:28:32.200 That there's something wrong

00:28:33.000 with that idea.

00:28:34.780 And so then,

00:28:35.420 I think,

00:28:35.800 on the heels of that

00:28:37.020 comes the Christian revolution 0.67

00:28:39.140 with its hypothesis

00:28:41.540 that it's not the state

00:28:43.560 that's the place of salvation,

00:28:45.520 it's the individual psyche.

00:28:47.980 And then,

00:28:49.360 there's an ethic

00:28:52.100 that goes along with that too,

00:28:53.200 which is quite interesting.

00:28:54.380 So,

00:28:55.480 the ethic of redemption

00:28:57.300 after the state experiment fails,

00:29:01.560 let's say,

00:29:02.460 is that

00:29:03.000 it's within the individual

00:29:06.200 that redemption

00:29:06.960 can be manifested,

00:29:08.880 let's say.

00:29:09.480 And even insofar as

00:29:10.680 the state is concerned,

00:29:11.640 because the state's

00:29:12.500 proper functioning

00:29:13.340 is dependent

00:29:13.920 on the proper functioning

00:29:15.180 of the individual

00:29:15.880 rather than the reverse,

00:29:17.380 most fundamentally.

00:29:18.180 and that the proper mode

00:29:19.800 of individual being

00:29:20.640 that's redemptive

00:29:21.480 is truth.

00:29:23.320 And truth is the antidote

00:29:24.560 to the suffering

00:29:25.320 that emerges

00:29:27.280 with the fall of man

00:29:28.960 in the story of Adam and Eve.

00:29:31.300 And then that relates back

00:29:32.520 to the chapters

00:29:33.120 that we've already talked about

00:29:34.160 because there's this insistence

00:29:35.660 in Genesis 1

00:29:38.080 that it's the word

00:29:41.160 in the form of truth

00:29:42.560 that generates order

00:29:43.640 out of chaos.

00:29:44.380 But even more importantly,

00:29:45.560 and this is something,

00:29:46.240 like I said,

00:29:46.660 I most clearly realized

00:29:47.560 just doing these lectures

00:29:48.380 for the last three weeks

00:29:49.280 is God continues to say

00:29:51.340 as he speaks order into being

00:29:53.580 with truth

00:29:54.460 that the being he speaks

00:29:56.100 into being is good.

00:29:58.140 And so there's this insistence

00:29:59.480 that the being that spoke

00:30:01.420 into being through truth

00:30:02.540 is good.

00:30:04.020 And so there's a hint there.

00:30:05.100 It's so interesting.

00:30:05.980 There's a hint there

00:30:06.500 right at the beginning

00:30:08.120 of the story

00:30:09.020 that the state of being

00:30:11.920 that Adam and Eve

00:30:12.800 inhabited

00:30:14.900 before they fell

00:30:16.500 before they became

00:30:17.280 self-conscious

00:30:17.900 insofar as they were

00:30:20.420 made in the image of God

00:30:21.760 and acting out the truth

00:30:23.220 that the being itself

00:30:25.220 was properly balanced.

00:30:27.020 And it takes the entire Bible

00:30:28.360 to rediscover that

00:30:29.560 which is a journey

00:30:30.980 back to the beginning.

00:30:32.780 And that's a classic theme.

00:30:34.400 That's a classic mythological theme

00:30:35.780 that the wise person

00:30:37.720 is the person

00:30:38.300 who finds what they lost

00:30:39.740 in childhood

00:30:40.220 and regains it.

00:30:41.080 I think that's a Jewish idea 1.00

00:30:45.360 that Zadik

00:30:46.060 if I remember correctly

00:30:47.160 who is a Messiah figure

00:30:48.480 is the person

00:30:49.300 who finds what he lost

00:30:51.120 in childhood

00:30:51.560 and regains it.

00:30:52.360 His idea of this

00:30:53.020 return to the beginning

00:30:54.320 except that the return

00:30:55.440 is you don't fall backwards

00:30:57.100 into childhood

00:30:58.020 and unconsciousness.

00:30:59.920 You return voluntarily

00:31:01.100 to the state of childhood

00:31:03.400 well awake

00:31:04.780 and then determined

00:31:06.140 to participate

00:31:06.880 through truth

00:31:07.660 in the manifestation

00:31:08.460 of proper being.

00:31:10.820 Now, you know,

00:31:11.900 I'm a psychologist

00:31:12.560 and I've taught

00:31:13.720 personality theory

00:31:14.660 for a very long time

00:31:15.640 and I know

00:31:16.720 personality theories

00:31:17.600 the profound personality theories

00:31:18.920 pretty well

00:31:19.360 and I'm reasonably

00:31:20.360 well versed in philosophy

00:31:21.500 although not as well versed

00:31:23.040 as I should be

00:31:23.600 but I can tell you

00:31:24.400 in all the things

00:31:25.560 I've ever read

00:31:26.720 or encountered

00:31:27.380 or thought about

00:31:27.960 I have never once

00:31:29.140 found an idea

00:31:29.860 that matches that

00:31:31.100 in terms of profundity

00:31:32.280 but not only profundity

00:31:33.520 also in believability

00:31:34.900 because the other thing

00:31:36.080 I see as a clinician

00:31:36.960 and I think this is

00:31:37.920 very characteristic

00:31:38.760 of clinical experience

00:31:40.420 and also very much

00:31:42.180 described explicitly

00:31:44.080 by the great clinicians

00:31:45.120 is that

00:31:45.900 what cures in therapy

00:31:47.500 is truth.

00:31:49.280 That's the curative.

00:31:50.600 Now, there's exposure

00:31:51.420 to the things

00:31:52.060 you're afraid of

00:31:52.680 and avoiding as well

00:31:53.520 but I would say

00:31:54.400 that's a form

00:31:54.900 of enacted truth

00:31:55.760 because if you know

00:31:56.700 there's something

00:31:57.080 you should do

00:31:57.780 by your own set of rules

00:31:59.120 and you're avoiding it

00:32:01.060 then you're enacting a lie.

00:32:02.680 You know,

00:32:02.780 you're not telling one

00:32:03.620 but you're acting one out. 0.99

00:32:04.500 It's the same damn thing. 0.99

00:32:05.800 So, 0.99

00:32:06.440 if I can get you to

00:32:07.600 face what it is

00:32:09.240 that you're confronting

00:32:09.980 that you know

00:32:10.600 you shouldn't be avoiding

00:32:11.580 then what's happening

00:32:12.700 is that we're both partaking

00:32:14.260 in the process

00:32:15.700 of attempting you

00:32:16.560 to act out

00:32:17.060 your deepest truth

00:32:17.940 and what happens

00:32:18.940 is that that improves

00:32:19.740 people's lives

00:32:20.440 and it improves them radically

00:32:21.860 and the evidence

00:32:22.820 the clinical evidence

00:32:23.640 for that is overwhelming.

00:32:25.180 We know that

00:32:25.860 if you expose people

00:32:26.900 to the things

00:32:27.400 they're afraid of

00:32:28.000 but that they're avoiding

00:32:28.860 they get better

00:32:29.800 and you have to do it

00:32:30.980 carefully and cautiously

00:32:31.920 and with their own participation

00:32:33.700 and all of that

00:32:34.340 but of all the things

00:32:36.460 that clinicians have established

00:32:37.900 that's credible

00:32:38.620 that's number one

00:32:39.800 and that's nested

00:32:40.620 inside this deeper realization

00:32:42.120 that the clinical experience

00:32:44.320 is redemptive

00:32:45.580 let's say

00:32:46.220 because it's designed

00:32:47.460 to address suffering

00:32:48.300 insofar as the people

00:32:49.660 who are engaged

00:32:50.340 in the process

00:32:51.020 are both telling each other

00:32:52.180 the truth

00:32:52.680 and then you think

00:32:53.560 well obviously

00:32:54.280 because if you have

00:32:55.680 some problems

00:32:56.340 and you come to talk

00:32:57.860 to me about them

00:32:58.560 well first of all

00:32:59.540 just by coming to talk

00:33:00.420 to me about them

00:33:00.900 you've admitted

00:33:01.440 that they exist

00:33:02.340 man that's a pretty good start

00:33:03.760 and second

00:33:04.680 well if you tell me

00:33:06.060 about them

00:33:06.440 then we know

00:33:07.060 what they are

00:33:07.660 and then

00:33:08.280 if we know what they are

00:33:09.320 we can maybe

00:33:10.400 start to lay out

00:33:11.320 some solutions

00:33:11.940 and then you can go

00:33:12.760 act out the solutions

00:33:13.540 and see if they work

00:33:14.480 but if you

00:33:15.260 don't admit they're there

00:33:16.500 and you won't tell me

00:33:17.180 what they are

00:33:17.820 and I don't

00:33:19.260 and I'm like posturing

00:33:20.420 and acting egotistically

00:33:22.220 and taking the upper hand

00:33:23.660 and all of that

00:33:24.140 in our discussions

00:33:24.820 well how the hell

00:33:25.620 is that going to work

00:33:26.480 you know

00:33:27.580 it might be comfortable

00:33:28.460 moment to moment

00:33:29.240 while we stay encapsulated

00:33:30.660 in our delusion

00:33:31.480 but it's not going to work

00:33:32.680 so a lot of that seems

00:33:34.240 if you think it through

00:33:35.540 it seems pretty self-evident

00:33:36.800 and you know

00:33:37.660 Freud thought that repression

00:33:39.740 was at the heart

00:33:41.160 of much mental suffering

00:33:42.560 the difference between

00:33:43.740 repression and deception

00:33:44.820 is a matter of degree

00:33:47.340 and that's all

00:33:48.060 it's technical

00:33:48.880 it's a technical differentiation

00:33:50.420 and Alfred Adler

00:33:51.880 who was one of Freud's

00:33:53.120 greatest associates

00:33:54.860 let's say

00:33:55.320 and much underappreciated

00:33:56.680 I would say

00:33:57.100 he thought that people

00:33:58.360 got into problems

00:33:59.100 because they started

00:33:59.840 to act out a life lie

00:34:01.460 that's what he called it

00:34:02.360 a life lie

00:34:02.960 that's worth looking up

00:34:03.900 because Adler

00:34:04.440 although not as charismatic

00:34:05.780 as Freud

00:34:06.440 was very practical

00:34:07.640 and really foreshadowed

00:34:10.580 a lot of later developments

00:34:11.700 in cybernetic theory

00:34:12.600 and of course

00:34:13.080 Jung believed that

00:34:14.160 you could bypass

00:34:15.900 psychotherapy entirely

00:34:17.560 by merely making

00:34:18.660 a proper moral effort

00:34:19.920 in your own life

00:34:20.840 and Carl Rogers believed

00:34:22.400 that it was

00:34:22.940 honest communication

00:34:24.340 mediated through dialogue

00:34:26.080 that had redemptive consequences

00:34:28.240 and the behaviors believe

00:34:29.540 that you do a careful

00:34:30.740 micro-analysis

00:34:31.660 of the problems

00:34:32.460 that are laid before you

00:34:33.420 and help introduce people

00:34:34.820 to what they're avoiding

00:34:35.780 it's like

00:34:36.460 all of those things to me

00:34:38.020 are just secular variations

00:34:39.520 of the notion

00:34:40.220 that truth will set you free

00:34:42.140 essentially

00:34:42.740 so

00:34:43.860 so you know

00:34:46.120 it's a pretty powerful story

00:34:47.440 and

00:34:49.100 A

00:34:51.260 it's not that easy

00:34:51.980 to dispense with

00:34:52.880 and B

00:34:53.320 the other thing is

00:34:54.600 you dispense with it

00:34:55.440 at your peril

00:34:56.040 because what I have seen

00:34:57.160 as well

00:34:57.520 is that

00:34:57.880 the people that I've seen

00:35:00.240 who've been really hurt

00:35:01.180 have been hurt

00:35:02.100 mostly by deceit

00:35:03.100 and that's also worth

00:35:04.840 thinking about

00:35:05.420 that

00:35:05.660 you know

00:35:06.320 you get walloped by life

00:35:07.820 there's no doubt about that

00:35:08.900 there's absolutely

00:35:09.620 no doubt about that

00:35:10.560 but

00:35:11.360 I've thought for a long time

00:35:13.000 that maybe

00:35:13.360 maybe

00:35:13.760 maybe people can handle

00:35:15.540 earthquakes and

00:35:17.220 cancer

00:35:18.040 and

00:35:18.400 even death

00:35:19.520 maybe

00:35:19.840 but they can't handle

00:35:21.760 betrayal

00:35:22.140 and they can't handle

00:35:23.280 deception

00:35:23.780 they can't handle

00:35:25.240 having the rug pulled out

00:35:26.420 from underneath them

00:35:27.040 by people that they love

00:35:28.060 and trust

00:35:28.540 that just does them in 0.74

00:35:30.300 you know

00:35:31.080 it

00:35:31.420 it

00:35:31.780 it

00:35:32.160 it makes them ill

00:35:33.360 but it does

00:35:34.000 where it hurts them

00:35:35.100 you know

00:35:35.460 psychophysiologically

00:35:36.880 it damages them

00:35:37.760 but more than that

00:35:38.400 it makes them cynical

00:35:39.380 and bitter

00:35:40.240 and vicious

00:35:40.760 and resentful

00:35:41.540 and then they also

00:35:42.820 start to act

00:35:43.580 all that out in the world

00:35:44.520 and that makes it worse

00:35:45.580 so

00:35:46.720 so you know

00:35:49.140 the story starts

00:35:50.060 God uses

00:35:50.960 the spoken truth

00:35:52.580 to create

00:35:53.300 being that is good

00:35:54.940 and then

00:35:56.440 the cataclysm

00:35:57.240 occurs

00:35:57.880 and then

00:35:59.120 human beings

00:36:00.520 spend untold

00:36:01.600 millennia

00:36:02.060 trying to sort out

00:36:03.020 exactly what to do

00:36:04.200 about the fact

00:36:04.800 that they've become

00:36:05.700 self-conscious

00:36:06.440 and you know

00:36:07.300 by the way

00:36:07.920 we have

00:36:08.720 right

00:36:09.160 we are in fact

00:36:10.340 self-conscious

00:36:11.000 no other animal

00:36:12.180 has that distinction

00:36:13.160 now you'll read

00:36:14.300 that chimpanzees

00:36:15.600 can for example

00:36:16.440 if you put lipstick

00:36:18.000 on a chimpanzee

00:36:19.100 it's kind of a strange

00:36:21.220 thing to do

00:36:21.880 yeah

00:36:24.880 well

00:36:26.560 I won't pursue

00:36:27.320 that any further

00:36:28.040 but the

00:36:30.360 chimpanzee 0.64

00:36:31.400 will wipe off

00:36:32.200 the lipstick

00:36:32.700 if you show it

00:36:33.320 a mirror

00:36:33.640 and

00:36:35.060 dolphins

00:36:35.700 seem to be able

00:36:36.340 to recognize

00:36:37.240 themselves

00:36:37.740 in mirrors

00:36:38.200 and there is

00:36:38.760 so there is

00:36:39.660 the glimmerings

00:36:41.020 of self-conscious

00:36:41.760 recognition

00:36:42.380 in other animals

00:36:43.240 but to

00:36:44.100 put that in the same

00:36:45.560 conceptual category

00:36:46.500 as human self-consciousness

00:36:47.860 is

00:36:48.100 to my way of thinking

00:36:50.200 it's

00:36:52.160 well it's

00:36:55.180 uninformed

00:36:55.700 to say the least

00:36:56.380 but I also think

00:36:57.060 that it's motivated

00:36:58.120 it's motivated

00:36:58.820 by a kind of

00:36:59.460 anti-humanistic

00:37:00.460 underlying

00:37:01.060 motivation

00:37:03.360 because

00:37:04.320 our self-consciousness

00:37:05.700 is so

00:37:06.120 incredibly developed

00:37:07.760 compared to that

00:37:08.440 that they're hardly

00:37:08.940 in the same

00:37:09.480 conceptual universe

00:37:10.240 it's like comparing

00:37:11.580 the

00:37:12.000 alarm cries

00:37:14.540 of vervet monkeys

00:37:15.440 when they see a predator

00:37:16.540 to the language

00:37:17.420 of human beings

00:37:18.280 it's like

00:37:18.660 yeah yeah

00:37:19.200 there's some similarities

00:37:20.380 man

00:37:20.800 there are utterances

00:37:22.040 and there are utterances

00:37:23.220 with meaning

00:37:23.780 but they're not language

00:37:24.700 and the self-consciousness

00:37:25.780 of animals

00:37:26.220 is proto-self-consciousness

00:37:27.840 and it's only there

00:37:28.600 a very small number

00:37:29.880 of animals

00:37:30.280 and it's

00:37:31.140 nothing like ours 0.92

00:37:32.160 they're not aware

00:37:33.160 of the future

00:37:33.760 like we are

00:37:34.320 they're not aware

00:37:34.980 of their boundaries

00:37:35.800 in space and time

00:37:37.400 and that's the critical thing

00:37:38.840 and most particularly

00:37:39.800 time

00:37:40.660 human beings

00:37:41.700 discovered

00:37:42.760 time

00:37:43.560 and when we

00:37:44.460 discovered time

00:37:45.040 we discovered

00:37:45.560 the end of each

00:37:47.000 of our being

00:37:47.940 and that made

00:37:49.260 all the difference

00:37:50.020 and that's what

00:37:50.840 the story of Adam and Eve

00:37:51.700 is about

00:37:52.100 so

00:37:53.380 Genesis 1

00:37:56.260 is derived from

00:37:57.000 the priestly source

00:37:57.980 where God is

00:37:58.860 known as

00:37:59.700 Elohim

00:38:00.220 or El Shaddai 0.93

00:38:01.140 and there's God

00:38:02.640 in the singular

00:38:03.940 and there's gods

00:38:05.080 in the plural

00:38:05.940 and I suppose

00:38:06.760 that's because

00:38:07.360 it seems that if you

00:38:08.760 analyze the

00:38:09.640 history of the

00:38:11.040 development of

00:38:11.600 monotheistic ideas

00:38:12.540 that monotheism

00:38:13.800 emerges out of

00:38:14.800 a plurality

00:38:15.720 of gods

00:38:16.280 and as I mentioned

00:38:17.520 I think it's because

00:38:18.380 the gods represent

00:38:20.100 fundamental forces

00:38:21.340 at minimum

00:38:22.000 and those fundamental forces

00:38:23.180 have to be

00:38:23.680 hierarchically organized

00:38:24.900 with something

00:38:27.140 absolute at the top

00:38:29.160 because otherwise

00:38:29.680 they do nothing

00:38:30.280 but war

00:38:30.980 right

00:38:31.420 you have to

00:38:32.240 organize your values

00:38:33.280 hierarchically

00:38:33.980 or you stay confused

00:38:35.040 and that's true

00:38:35.940 if you're an individual

00:38:36.600 and it's true

00:38:37.940 if you're a state

00:38:38.580 if you don't know

00:38:39.500 what the next thing

00:38:40.620 you should do is

00:38:41.860 then there's 50 things

00:38:43.120 you should do

00:38:43.680 and then how are you

00:38:44.600 going to do any of them

00:38:45.280 you can't

00:38:45.860 you have to prioritize

00:38:46.760 something has to be

00:38:47.940 above something else

00:38:48.980 it has to be arranged

00:38:50.100 in a hierarchy

00:38:50.660 for it not to be chaotic

00:38:51.880 and so there's some principle

00:38:53.180 at the top of the hierarchy

00:38:54.260 and maybe the organization

00:38:55.720 of the gods over time

00:38:57.100 that's the battle of gods

00:38:58.440 that Mircea Eliade talked about

00:39:00.100 and if you're interested in that

00:39:01.140 you could read

00:39:01.700 A History of Religious Ideas

00:39:03.760 which I would really recommend

00:39:04.940 it's a three volume book

00:39:06.040 it's actually quite a straightforward read

00:39:08.960 as far as these things go

00:39:10.260 and Eliade does a very nice job

00:39:12.200 of describing how

00:39:13.880 and even why

00:39:14.900 polytheism

00:39:16.040 tends towards monotheism

00:39:17.780 even in polytheistic cultures

00:39:19.260 there's a strong tendency

00:39:21.740 for the gods

00:39:22.440 to organize themselves

00:39:23.300 in a hierarchy

00:39:23.800 with one god at the top

00:39:25.160 in a monotheistic culture

00:39:26.940 in some sense

00:39:27.880 all the other gods

00:39:28.480 just disappear across time

00:39:29.740 and there's nothing left

00:39:30.440 but the top god

00:39:31.360 but even in a polytheistic society

00:39:33.520 there's a hierarchy of power

00:39:34.880 among the gods

00:39:35.620 the first story

00:39:38.460 is newer than the second one

00:39:39.940 so the story

00:39:40.500 I'm going to tell you today

00:39:41.340 is actually older

00:39:42.080 than the one I already told you

00:39:43.240 even though

00:39:43.720 their order was flipped

00:39:45.760 by the redactor

00:39:47.100 who's the hypothetical person

00:39:48.600 or persons

00:39:49.140 who edited these stories together

00:39:50.680 and we don't know exactly

00:39:51.980 why he or the committee

00:39:53.260 or what I suspect

00:39:54.180 it was a single person

00:39:55.220 but who knows

00:39:55.820 we don't know why

00:39:57.220 the stories were edited together

00:39:59.360 in the order

00:40:00.840 that they were edited together

00:40:02.300 but we could infer

00:40:03.900 I mean

00:40:04.720 they were edited together

00:40:06.000 in that order

00:40:06.540 because the editor thought

00:40:07.600 they made sense that way

00:40:09.140 because that's what

00:40:09.780 an editor does

00:40:10.540 right

00:40:10.740 an editor tends to take

00:40:11.940 diverse ideas

00:40:13.340 and then to organize them

00:40:14.660 in some manner

00:40:15.320 that makes sense

00:40:16.480 and part of the manner

00:40:17.660 that makes sense

00:40:18.400 is that you can tell them

00:40:19.600 to people

00:40:20.100 and the people stay interested

00:40:21.480 and you can tell them

00:40:22.640 to people

00:40:22.980 and people remember them

00:40:24.760 that's one of the ways

00:40:26.440 you can tell

00:40:26.860 if you've got an argument

00:40:27.680 right

00:40:28.120 because it's communicable

00:40:29.740 and understandable

00:40:30.440 and memorable

00:40:31.080 and so

00:40:32.160 this person was

00:40:33.980 let's say

00:40:35.060 motivated by intuition

00:40:36.640 to organize the stories

00:40:37.760 in this particular manner

00:40:38.820 so the second

00:40:40.860 the Yahwist strand 1.00

00:40:43.240 contains the stories

00:40:45.700 the classic stories

00:40:46.800 in the Pentateuch

00:40:47.540 that's five books

00:40:48.520 Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus

00:40:49.920 Numbers and Deuteronomy

00:40:51.020 which we'll try to get through

00:40:52.920 perhaps

00:40:53.480 in these twelve lectures

00:40:54.860 we'll see how that goes

00:40:56.140 it's strongly anthropomorphic

00:40:57.860 so the God

00:40:58.720 in the Yahwist account

00:40:59.580 is for all intents and purposes

00:41:01.080 a sort of meta person

00:41:02.520 and I dealt with that

00:41:04.880 a little bit last week

00:41:05.740 because people

00:41:06.360 tend to

00:41:07.340 you know

00:41:08.080 think of that

00:41:08.700 as unsophisticated

00:41:09.640 but when you think

00:41:10.720 that the mind

00:41:12.160 the ground of consciousness

00:41:14.860 is the most complex thing

00:41:16.700 that we know of

00:41:17.520 then it's not so unsophisticated

00:41:19.820 to assume

00:41:20.300 that the most complex thing

00:41:21.620 that there might be

00:41:22.540 is like that

00:41:23.300 or at least it's as good

00:41:24.300 as we can do

00:41:24.780 with our imaginations

00:41:25.720 and so

00:41:26.100 I don't think it's so

00:41:27.620 it's so

00:41:29.400 it's so unsophisticated

00:41:32.120 it's also the case

00:41:33.280 and this is practically speaking

00:41:35.380 is that it is not at all

00:41:36.500 unreasonable

00:41:37.020 to think of

00:41:38.020 God the Father

00:41:39.200 as the spirit

00:41:41.040 that arises from the crowd

00:41:42.540 that exists into the future

00:41:44.060 right

00:41:44.760 and that's

00:41:45.140 we talked about that

00:41:45.880 in relationship to the idea

00:41:46.940 of sacrifice

00:41:47.540 at least a little bit

00:41:48.520 or we're going to

00:41:49.840 you make sacrifices

00:41:51.660 in the present

00:41:52.280 so that the future

00:41:53.120 is happy with you

00:41:54.060 and the question is

00:41:55.380 what is that future

00:41:56.580 that would be happy with you

00:41:58.040 and the answer to that is

00:41:59.440 it's the spirit of humanity

00:42:01.580 that's who you're negotiating with

00:42:03.520 because you make the assumption

00:42:04.540 that

00:42:04.840 if you forego

00:42:06.560 impulsive pleasure

00:42:07.460 and get your medical degree

00:42:08.860 that when you're done

00:42:10.340 in ten years

00:42:11.140 and you're a physician

00:42:12.100 humanity as such

00:42:14.940 will honour your sacrifice

00:42:16.720 and commitment

00:42:17.400 and open the doors to you

00:42:18.900 right

00:42:19.420 so you're treating the future

00:42:20.820 as if it's a single being

00:42:22.220 and you're also treating it

00:42:23.400 as if it's a

00:42:24.020 something like a compassionate judge

00:42:26.360 you're acting that out

00:42:27.800 and maybe we had to imagine

00:42:29.480 God in that form

00:42:31.040 before we could

00:42:32.100 understand

00:42:33.340 once we started to understand

00:42:35.020 that there was a future

00:42:36.260 perhaps we had to imagine

00:42:37.400 God in that form

00:42:38.420 in order to concretize 0.97

00:42:39.960 something

00:42:40.380 that we could bargain with

00:42:41.740 so that we could figure out

00:42:42.520 how to use sacrifice

00:42:43.520 to figure out how to guide ourselves

00:42:44.980 into the future

00:42:45.740 because a sacrifice

00:42:46.920 is a contract with the future

00:42:48.320 but it's not a contract

00:42:49.620 with any particular person

00:42:50.760 it's a contract

00:42:51.980 with the spirit of humanity

00:42:53.460 as such

00:42:54.300 it's something like that

00:42:55.480 and so when you think about it

00:42:56.900 that way

00:42:57.300 that should make you faint

00:42:58.980 with amazement

00:42:59.900 because that is such a bloody

00:43:01.140 amazing idea

00:43:01.960 to come up with that idea

00:43:03.180 that you can bargain

00:43:04.180 with the future

00:43:04.960 that is some idea man

00:43:06.740 that's

00:43:07.280 that's like the major idea

00:43:08.980 of human

00:43:09.460 of humankind

00:43:10.320 we suffer

00:43:11.560 what do we do about it

00:43:12.620 we figure out how to bargain

00:43:13.720 with the future

00:43:14.360 and we minimize suffering

00:43:16.200 in that manner

00:43:17.000 it's like no other animal

00:43:18.360 does that either

00:43:19.060 you know

00:43:19.380 like lions

00:43:19.940 they just eat everything

00:43:20.820 I think a wolf

00:43:21.760 can eat 40 pounds of meat

00:43:23.200 in a single sitting

00:43:24.120 right

00:43:24.880 it's like there's some meat

00:43:25.800 eat it

00:43:26.220 it's not like

00:43:27.080 save some mammoth

00:43:28.120 for tomorrow

00:43:28.740 that's a

00:43:30.440 that's not a wolf thing

00:43:32.360 man

00:43:32.640 that's a human thing

00:43:33.860 and that might mean

00:43:34.500 you have to be hungry today

00:43:35.620 or maybe you're a farmer

00:43:36.920 you know

00:43:37.300 several thousand years ago

00:43:38.820 six thousand years ago

00:43:39.840 or so

00:43:40.120 when agriculture first got going

00:43:41.500 and you're starving to death

00:43:42.560 waiting for the spring planting

00:43:44.480 and you think

00:43:44.960 we bloody well

00:43:45.780 better not eat those seeds 0.76

00:43:47.020 right

00:43:48.140 and that's really something

00:43:49.180 to be able to control yourself

00:43:50.660 to make the future real

00:43:52.320 to put off

00:43:53.540 what you could use today

00:43:54.940 and not just in some

00:43:55.780 impulsive manner

00:43:56.540 man

00:43:56.780 maybe your kids are starving to death

00:43:58.420 you think

00:43:58.760 we are not touching

00:44:00.040 the seeds that we need

00:44:01.540 for the future

00:44:02.320 and for human beings

00:44:03.820 to have discovered that

00:44:04.700 and then to also have figured out

00:44:06.020 that we could bargain

00:44:06.680 with the future

00:44:07.280 it's like man

00:44:08.080 that's something

00:44:09.020 and I think that that

00:44:10.160 I think that the stories

00:44:11.360 that are laid out in this book

00:44:12.420 actually describe

00:44:13.280 at least in part

00:44:14.060 the process by which that occurred

00:44:15.540 the always stories

00:44:18.520 begin with Genesis 2 4

00:44:20.100 this is the account

00:44:21.340 of the heavens and the earth

00:44:22.400 wind

00:44:22.660 so there's two real creation stories

00:44:24.420 at the beginning

00:44:25.040 the newer one

00:44:26.320 which is the first one

00:44:27.160 and the older one

00:44:27.860 which is the second one

00:44:28.860 and the older one

00:44:30.000 begins in chapter 2

00:44:31.040 and that's the story

00:44:32.020 that we're going to

00:44:32.700 that we are getting into now

00:44:34.300 Adam and Eve are in that

00:44:36.380 Cain and Abel

00:44:37.160 Noah

00:44:37.420 the Tower of Babel 0.95

00:44:38.500 in the Yahweh's strand

00:44:41.120 Exodus

00:44:41.540 numbers along

00:44:42.320 and there's some of the

00:44:43.380 priestly version in there too

00:44:44.400 as well as the Ten Commandments

00:44:45.640 there's some

00:44:47.500 lovely representations

00:44:49.220 of

00:44:49.820 of paradise

00:44:51.320 this is

00:44:52.980 Garden of Earthly Delights

00:44:56.500 what's his name

00:44:57.300 Bosch

00:45:00.060 yes

00:45:00.400 Hieronymus Bosch

00:45:01.300 yes 0.91

00:45:01.500 crazy

00:45:02.020 I mean 0.92

00:45:02.560 if you

00:45:03.100 how he didn't get burnt

00:45:05.600 at the stake

00:45:06.100 is absolutely beyond me

00:45:07.400 I mean

00:45:08.060 you know

00:45:08.960 some of you know

00:45:09.600 about Salvador Dali

00:45:10.580 I suppose

00:45:11.080 most of you do

00:45:11.800 I mean

00:45:12.120 Dali's a piker 0.99

00:45:13.020 compared to Hieronymus Bosch

00:45:14.400 man

00:45:14.640 you could spend

00:45:15.560 because there's three pieces

00:45:17.620 of this particular painting

00:45:18.740 you could spend

00:45:20.680 a very

00:45:21.840 bizarre

00:45:23.780 and surreal

00:45:24.480 month

00:45:25.100 looking at that painting

00:45:26.260 I don't know what it was

00:45:27.460 with Bosch

00:45:28.020 but he was some

00:45:28.880 sort of creature

00:45:29.820 that only popped up once

00:45:31.340 and probably

00:45:31.900 for the best

00:45:33.120 and

00:45:34.760 so there's been

00:45:36.840 very many

00:45:37.380 representations of paradise

00:45:38.720 I mean

00:45:39.020 God only knows

00:45:39.720 what that is

00:45:40.380 it's like

00:45:41.320 I could probably guess

00:45:44.340 but I won't

00:45:45.000 and then look

00:45:47.040 I mean

00:45:47.280 that's

00:45:47.620 the lion

00:45:49.000 lying down

00:45:49.560 with the lamb

00:45:50.120 right

00:45:50.360 so that's this idea

00:45:51.320 that's maybe

00:45:52.220 projected back in time

00:45:53.480 that there was a time

00:45:54.440 or maybe will be a time

00:45:55.540 when

00:45:55.780 the horrors of life

00:45:58.280 are no longer necessary

00:45:59.680 for life itself

00:46:00.520 to exist

00:46:01.160 right

00:46:02.120 and the horrors of life

00:46:04.400 are of course

00:46:04.920 that everything eats

00:46:05.720 everything else

00:46:06.360 and that everything dies

00:46:07.400 and that everything's born 0.97

00:46:08.440 and that the whole bloody place 0.92

00:46:09.640 is a charnel house 0.98

00:46:10.540 and it's

00:46:10.980 it's a catastrophe

00:46:12.040 from beginning to end

00:46:13.100 and this is

00:46:13.960 this is the vision

00:46:15.200 of it being

00:46:16.080 other than that

00:46:16.980 and

00:46:17.640 you know

00:46:18.220 there's a strong idea

00:46:19.600 this was also

00:46:20.480 implicit in the alchemical ideas

00:46:22.620 and I think it's also

00:46:23.400 implicit in the scientific

00:46:24.660 revolution

00:46:26.080 that

00:46:26.520 human beings

00:46:28.020 can

00:46:28.400 interact with reality

00:46:30.000 in such a way

00:46:30.680 so that the tragic

00:46:31.700 and evil elements

00:46:32.820 of it can be mitigated

00:46:34.020 and so that we can move

00:46:35.400 somewhat closer

00:46:36.140 to a state

00:46:36.720 that might be

00:46:37.420 characterized

00:46:38.100 well that's obviously

00:46:39.220 imagistic

00:46:39.780 but it might be characterized

00:46:40.860 by something like that

00:46:41.840 where we have the benefits

00:46:43.000 of actual existence

00:46:43.960 without all of the catastrophe

00:46:45.820 that seems to go along with it

00:46:47.180 and Carl Jung

00:46:48.060 when he wrote about

00:46:48.780 the emergence of alchemy

00:46:50.300 or the emergence of science

00:46:51.660 from alchemy

00:46:52.240 he thought of

00:46:52.820 science as being motivated

00:46:54.140 by a dream

00:46:54.860 because for Jung

00:46:56.020 the dream was the

00:46:56.980 the dream was the manifestation

00:46:58.520 of the instincts

00:46:59.360 it was the boundary

00:47:00.220 between the instincts

00:47:01.080 and thinking

00:47:01.680 he said well

00:47:02.460 science is nested

00:47:03.500 inside a dream

00:47:04.200 and the dream is

00:47:05.480 that if we investigated

00:47:06.580 the structures of material reality

00:47:08.100 with sufficient attention

00:47:09.240 and truth

00:47:10.340 that we could then

00:47:11.380 learn enough about

00:47:12.240 material reality

00:47:13.060 to alleviate suffering

00:47:14.480 right

00:47:14.800 to produce the philosopher's stone

00:47:16.600 to make everybody wealthy

00:47:17.980 to make everybody healthy

00:47:19.140 to make everyone

00:47:19.900 live as long as they wanted to live

00:47:21.860 or perhaps forever

00:47:22.780 that that's the goal

00:47:23.760 to alleviate

00:47:24.440 the catastrophe of existence

00:47:26.540 and that that idea

00:47:27.660 the idea that mysteries

00:47:29.460 the solution to

00:47:31.240 the mysteries of life

00:47:32.740 that might enable us

00:47:33.700 to develop such a substance

00:47:35.160 or let's say

00:47:35.880 a multitude of substances

00:47:36.880 provided the motive force

00:47:38.720 for the development

00:47:39.520 of science

00:47:40.220 and Jung traced that

00:47:41.780 the development

00:47:42.440 of that motive force

00:47:43.280 really over a thousand years

00:47:44.540 and if you're interested

00:47:45.840 in reading his books

00:47:46.620 on alchemy

00:47:47.100 which are extraordinarily difficult

00:47:48.480 and that's really saying

00:47:49.380 something about Jung

00:47:50.160 because all of his books

00:47:51.200 are difficult

00:47:51.680 and then the books

00:47:52.620 on alchemy

00:47:53.140 they kind of take

00:47:54.140 a quantum leap

00:47:55.000 that's actually

00:47:55.900 a very small leap

00:47:56.780 so I shouldn't say that

00:47:57.720 they take a massive leap

00:47:59.440 into a whole different

00:48:00.720 dimension of complexity

00:48:01.780 but that's what he was

00:48:02.460 trying to get at

00:48:03.100 he went back

00:48:03.980 into the alchemical texts

00:48:05.120 and interpreted them

00:48:06.440 as if they were

00:48:07.040 the dream

00:48:07.600 on which science

00:48:08.460 was founded

00:48:09.080 and Newton was an alchemist

00:48:10.540 by the way

00:48:10.960 I mean

00:48:11.220 Jung's hypotheses

00:48:12.760 are certainly

00:48:13.500 well supported

00:48:15.500 by the historical facts

00:48:16.740 science did emerge

00:48:17.660 out of alchemy

00:48:18.280 the question is

00:48:19.380 what were the alchemists

00:48:20.260 up to

00:48:20.660 and they were trying

00:48:21.300 to produce

00:48:21.640 the philosopher's stone

00:48:22.580 and that was

00:48:23.080 the universal medicament

00:48:24.120 for mankind's pathology

00:48:26.000 Jung felt that

00:48:27.120 what had happened

00:48:27.620 was that

00:48:28.140 you know

00:48:28.700 Christianity had promised 0.96

00:48:29.920 that

00:48:30.220 the cessation of suffering

00:48:31.400 promised it

00:48:31.960 for a thousand years

00:48:32.800 and yet suffering

00:48:33.700 went on unabated

00:48:34.640 and at the same time

00:48:36.600 Christianity had attempted 0.97

00:48:38.020 to really put emphasis

00:48:39.100 on spiritual development

00:48:40.360 let's say

00:48:40.840 at the expense

00:48:41.760 of material development

00:48:43.000 right

00:48:43.700 thinking of material development

00:48:44.960 as something akin to a sin

00:48:46.320 trying to get a control

00:48:47.980 of impulsivity

00:48:48.800 and all the things

00:48:49.960 that went along

00:48:50.680 with a too embodied existence

00:48:52.480 there was a reason for it

00:48:54.140 but that

00:48:54.460 by about a thousand AD

00:48:56.700 the European mind

00:48:58.660 somewhat educated

00:49:00.140 by that point

00:49:00.920 somewhat able to concentrate

00:49:02.460 on a single point

00:49:03.380 perhaps because of

00:49:04.520 a very long history

00:49:06.020 of intense religious training

00:49:07.380 turned its dream

00:49:09.480 to the unexplored material world

00:49:12.160 and thought

00:49:12.540 well you know

00:49:13.240 the spiritual redemption

00:49:14.780 that we've been seeking

00:49:15.620 didn't appear to produce

00:49:16.900 the result that was promised

00:49:18.160 or intended

00:49:18.760 and so maybe

00:49:19.460 there's another place

00:49:20.900 that we should look 0.96

00:49:21.880 and that was in the damned 0.91

00:49:23.200 material world 0.94

00:49:24.640 right

00:49:25.000 which was supposed to be

00:49:26.940 at least according to

00:49:27.860 some elements of classic thinking

00:49:29.560 nothing but the creation

00:49:30.780 of the devil

00:49:31.340 so but the point I'm making

00:49:33.700 is that you know

00:49:34.700 it's very difficult

00:49:36.200 to underestimate

00:49:36.880 the amount of human motivation

00:49:38.740 that's embedded

00:49:39.600 in the attempt

00:49:41.260 to alleviate suffering

00:49:43.120 to eradicate disease

00:49:44.680 to help people live

00:49:46.180 a healthy life

00:49:48.200 and well that's the disease

00:49:49.980 obviously

00:49:50.460 but to live a long life

00:49:51.760 as well

00:49:52.140 and to make things

00:49:52.880 as peaceful as possible

00:49:53.900 I mean you can be cynical

00:49:54.880 about people

00:49:55.500 and you can talk about them

00:49:56.640 as motivated by power

00:49:57.740 and being corrupt

00:49:58.700 and all of those things

00:49:59.520 and all of those things

00:50:00.220 are true but you shouldn't

00:50:01.540 throw away the baby 0.85

00:50:02.240 with the bath water

00:50:03.020 because we have been striving

00:50:04.560 for a very long time

00:50:05.580 to set things right

00:50:06.440 and we've done actually

00:50:07.340 not too bad a job

00:50:08.380 of it for half starving

00:50:10.660 crazy insect ridden

00:50:12.320 chimpanzees 1.00

00:50:13.420 with lifespans

00:50:14.200 of 50 to 70 years

00:50:15.680 so you know

00:50:17.160 we could deserve

00:50:17.820 a bit of sympathy

00:50:18.620 for our position

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00:53:13.720 some other representations

00:53:18.620 this one I like

00:53:19.960 the one on the left

00:53:20.760 that's paradise

00:53:21.940 paradise has a walled garden

00:53:23.440 and that's what paradise means

00:53:24.640 it's paradeza

00:53:25.560 which is

00:53:26.260 I don't remember the language

00:53:27.520 it's

00:53:27.880 it's

00:53:28.740 it's a

00:53:28.980 it's a

00:53:29.620 it's associated with Persian

00:53:31.160 paradeza means

00:53:32.400 walled garden

00:53:33.140 and why a walled garden?

00:53:35.060 well it goes back

00:53:35.780 to the chaos order idea

00:53:37.060 so this is where

00:53:37.780 God puts man and woman 0.96

00:53:39.060 after the creation

00:53:40.200 in a walled garden

00:53:41.040 well the wall is

00:53:42.240 culture and order

00:53:43.480 and the garden is nature

00:53:44.540 and the idea is

00:53:45.260 the proper human habitat

00:53:46.600 is nature and culture

00:53:48.000 in balance

00:53:48.640 and so

00:53:48.940 well we like gardens

00:53:49.820 well why?

00:53:50.560 because

00:53:50.780 well they're not completely

00:53:51.940 covered with weeds

00:53:52.740 and mosquitoes

00:53:53.340 and black flies

00:53:54.380 right?

00:53:55.140 so they're civilized

00:53:56.280 a little bit

00:53:56.760 but still

00:53:57.380 within that civilization

00:53:58.660 nature

00:53:59.480 in its more benevolent

00:54:01.420 guise

00:54:01.720 is encouraged to flourish

00:54:02.880 and people find that

00:54:03.800 rejuvenating

00:54:04.460 and so

00:54:04.800 the idea that

00:54:05.900 paradise

00:54:06.520 the proper habitat

00:54:07.600 of a human being

00:54:08.580 is a walled garden

00:54:09.680 is a good one

00:54:10.220 and it's walled

00:54:11.160 because

00:54:11.440 well you want to keep

00:54:12.480 things out

00:54:13.060 right?

00:54:13.440 I mean raccoons

00:54:14.160 for example

00:54:14.720 you want to keep

00:54:15.480 those things out

00:54:16.140 man

00:54:16.360 even though it's impossible

00:54:17.280 and you know

00:54:18.360 you don't want

00:54:19.920 well there's all sorts

00:54:21.120 of things you don't want

00:54:21.860 in your garden

00:54:22.320 like snakes

00:54:22.900 walls don't seem

00:54:24.180 to be much use

00:54:24.820 against them

00:54:25.300 but the idea

00:54:26.520 that paradise

00:54:28.000 is a walled garden

00:54:29.040 is

00:54:30.380 an echo

00:54:33.540 back to the chaos order

00:54:34.760 idea

00:54:35.380 walls

00:54:36.220 culture

00:54:36.740 right?

00:54:37.460 garden

00:54:37.860 nature

00:54:38.300 so

00:54:38.960 the proper

00:54:39.740 human

00:54:40.420 habitat

00:54:41.320 is a properly

00:54:42.360 tended garden

00:54:43.080 now

00:54:43.600 the radical

00:54:45.060 left

00:54:45.600 leaning

00:54:46.200 anti-theist

00:54:48.640 environmentalists

00:54:49.740 tend to make the case

00:54:51.760 that

00:54:52.120 the

00:54:53.980 predations

00:54:54.740 of the western

00:54:55.520 capitalist system

00:54:56.660 are a consequence

00:54:57.960 of the injunction

00:54:58.900 that was delivered

00:54:59.700 in

00:55:00.600 Genesis

00:55:01.580 by God

00:55:02.500 to man

00:55:03.040 to

00:55:03.880 go out

00:55:04.660 and dominate

00:55:05.240 the earth

00:55:05.780 David Suzuki

00:55:07.300 has talked a lot

00:55:07.940 about this

00:55:08.420 by the way

00:55:08.960 they believe

00:55:10.860 that

00:55:11.140 that

00:55:11.860 statement

00:55:12.860 has given rise

00:55:13.840 to our

00:55:14.380 inappropriate

00:55:15.380 assumption

00:55:17.360 that we have

00:55:18.360 the right

00:55:18.740 to exert

00:55:19.240 control

00:55:19.780 over the world

00:55:20.780 and that that's

00:55:21.720 what's turned us

00:55:22.460 into these

00:55:22.940 terrible

00:55:23.620 predatory 0.55

00:55:24.300 monsters

00:55:25.220 sometimes described

00:55:26.680 as cancers

00:55:27.660 on the face

00:55:28.340 of the earth

00:55:28.840 or viruses

00:55:29.860 that have inhabited

00:55:30.680 the entire ecosystem

00:55:31.720 who are doing

00:55:32.480 nothing but

00:55:32.920 wandering everywhere

00:55:34.240 and wreaking havoc

00:55:35.440 as rapidly

00:55:35.980 as we possibly

00:55:36.720 can

00:55:37.040 which is another

00:55:38.040 perspective on

00:55:39.400 the essential

00:55:40.900 element of humankind

00:55:42.660 that I find

00:55:43.280 absolutely

00:55:44.060 deplorable

00:55:45.340 I mean

00:55:46.460 if you look at the

00:55:47.460 historical record

00:55:48.220 for example

00:55:48.780 even casually

00:55:49.800 you'll find out

00:55:50.800 that as early as

00:55:51.580 as late as

00:55:52.520 the late 1800s

00:55:53.580 1895

00:55:54.340 thereabouts

00:55:54.800 Thomas Huxley

00:55:55.940 who was

00:55:56.240 eldest Huxley's

00:55:56.920 grandfather

00:55:57.340 and a great

00:55:57.840 defender of Darwin

00:55:59.140 prepared a report

00:56:00.320 for the British

00:56:01.260 government

00:56:01.620 on ocean

00:56:03.040 sustainability

00:56:03.740 and his

00:56:05.000 conclusion was

00:56:05.760 fish away guys

00:56:07.780 man

00:56:08.040 there's so many

00:56:09.040 fish out there

00:56:09.780 the oceans are

00:56:10.640 so inexhaustible

00:56:11.520 that no matter

00:56:12.060 how hard humanity

00:56:13.100 tried for

00:56:13.760 any number of

00:56:15.100 years

00:56:15.380 the probability

00:56:16.240 that we could

00:56:16.800 do more than

00:56:17.240 put a dent

00:56:18.080 in what was

00:56:18.920 out there

00:56:19.280 was zero

00:56:19.920 now Huxley

00:56:21.300 turned out to

00:56:21.820 be wrong

00:56:22.460 he didn't realize

00:56:23.360 that our population

00:56:24.160 was going to

00:56:24.640 spike so dramatically 0.99

00:56:25.540 partly because

00:56:26.260 we got a little

00:56:27.440 bit rich

00:56:27.860 and our children

00:56:28.420 stopped dying

00:56:29.320 at the rate

00:56:29.840 of like 60%

00:56:30.860 before they

00:56:31.440 were one years

00:56:32.020 old

00:56:32.320 and you know

00:56:32.920 we actually

00:56:33.300 managed to

00:56:33.700 populate the

00:56:34.360 earth with a few

00:56:36.200 people

00:56:36.500 but it wasn't

00:56:37.260 really until

00:56:37.740 1960 or so

00:56:38.880 that we woke

00:56:39.380 up to the fact

00:56:39.960 that there were

00:56:40.280 so many of us

00:56:40.880 that we actually

00:56:41.380 had to start

00:56:41.860 paying attention

00:56:42.460 to what we

00:56:43.380 were doing

00:56:43.720 to the planet

00:56:44.300 and that's

00:56:44.740 like what

00:56:45.140 50 years ago

00:56:46.320 well we've

00:56:47.240 just started

00:56:48.060 to develop

00:56:48.560 the technology

00:56:49.820 the wherewithal

00:56:50.620 to understand

00:56:51.260 that the whole

00:56:52.820 world might be

00:56:53.580 well considered

00:56:54.300 a garden

00:56:54.820 and we need

00:56:55.500 to live inside

00:56:56.320 the proper

00:56:57.380 balance

00:56:57.840 between culture

00:56:58.580 and order

00:56:59.020 or culture

00:56:59.780 and chaos

00:57:01.460 before that

00:57:03.180 we were spending

00:57:03.740 all of our time

00:57:04.500 just trying

00:57:05.680 not to die

00:57:06.380 and usually

00:57:07.700 very unsuccessfully

00:57:08.880 so

00:57:09.900 so I don't agree

00:57:14.060 with that interpretation

00:57:14.880 of the opening

00:57:15.780 sections of Genesis

00:57:17.420 I don't believe

00:57:18.200 that it's given

00:57:19.120 human beings

00:57:19.760 the right to

00:57:20.820 act as super predators

00:57:22.320 on the planet

00:57:22.880 I think that instead

00:57:23.760 the proper environment

00:57:25.320 for human beings

00:57:26.080 is presented

00:57:26.640 quite properly

00:57:27.440 as a garden

00:57:28.380 and that the role

00:57:29.940 of people

00:57:30.440 and that's explicitly

00:57:31.260 stated in the second story

00:57:33.020 in Adam and Eve

00:57:33.540 was to tend the garden

00:57:34.620 and that means

00:57:36.840 to make the proper decisions

00:57:38.120 and to make sure

00:57:38.900 that everything thrives

00:57:39.900 and flourishes

00:57:40.480 and so that it's

00:57:41.800 good for the things

00:57:42.820 that are living there

00:57:43.460 that aren't just people

00:57:44.360 but also good

00:57:44.980 for the people too

00:57:45.740 so fine

00:57:46.740 I think we can

00:57:47.380 we could at least

00:57:48.300 note that that's

00:57:49.580 a slightly different

00:57:51.420 take on the story

00:57:52.420 than the ultimately

00:57:54.120 cynical interpretation

00:57:55.320 that's so commonly

00:57:56.280 put forward today

00:57:57.220 now inside that

00:57:58.880 walled garden

00:58:00.660 is a couple of trees

00:58:02.280 and Adam and Eve

00:58:04.080 and some animals

00:58:04.860 and all of that

00:58:05.520 and unfortunately

00:58:06.540 the tree happens

00:58:07.340 to have a snake

00:58:07.920 wrapped around it

00:58:08.560 now that's an interesting

00:58:09.600 thing

00:58:09.940 we're going to talk

00:58:10.500 about that a lot

00:58:11.200 and the snake

00:58:12.760 in both of these

00:58:13.500 representations

00:58:14.240 this is no ordinary snake

00:58:15.820 say it's got a human head

00:58:16.980 and it's got a human head

00:58:17.880 there too

00:58:18.280 so whatever that snake is

00:58:20.440 well let

00:58:21.380 forget about

00:58:22.140 looking at this

00:58:23.280 from a religious perspective

00:58:25.180 like if you can

00:58:26.000 just imagine

00:58:26.540 that you're an anthropologist

00:58:27.500 and you've never seen

00:58:28.180 this image before

00:58:29.020 it's like

00:58:29.600 what do you see

00:58:30.240 well you see walls

00:58:31.740 and you see something

00:58:32.960 a fairly pleasant enclosure

00:58:34.420 and then you see a tree

00:58:35.960 and people are eating

00:58:36.780 from the tree

00:58:37.240 but the tree has a snake

00:58:38.280 in it that has a human head

00:58:39.420 and so then you might think

00:58:40.680 well what's a snake

00:58:42.760 with a human head

00:58:43.460 and then you'd think

00:58:44.080 well it's half snake

00:58:45.020 and half human

00:58:45.680 that's hardly

00:58:46.420 revelatory

00:58:48.320 it's just self-evident

00:58:49.420 so whatever that snake is

00:58:50.660 isn't just a snake

00:58:51.560 it's snake and human

00:58:53.180 or it's snake

00:58:55.360 and partakes

00:58:56.080 in whatever human beings are

00:58:57.500 and that's very important

00:58:58.580 so we'll consider that later

00:59:00.160 and you see the same thing here

00:59:01.240 and you see

00:59:03.400 in this particular version

00:59:04.960 there's the head

00:59:06.540 this one also has wings

00:59:08.020 and so this is a wing snake

00:59:10.180 sort of like a dragon

00:59:11.080 and so

00:59:11.980 it crawls on the ground

00:59:13.260 like a reptile

00:59:13.920 it's got an aerial aspect

00:59:15.220 or a spiritual aspect

00:59:16.460 so here it's a snake

00:59:17.540 which is like the lowest form

00:59:18.780 of reptilian life

00:59:20.060 say

00:59:20.300 something that crawls on the ground

00:59:21.640 it's something that's human

00:59:22.760 and it's something that's spiritual

00:59:23.920 at the same time

00:59:24.700 and it inhabits the tree

00:59:26.280 which look a lot like magic mushrooms

00:59:28.260 by the way

00:59:28.800 and

00:59:29.500 you can look that up

00:59:31.880 if you want

00:59:32.300 that's quite an interesting

00:59:33.180 little rabbit hole

00:59:33.860 to wander down

00:59:34.540 if you're curious about it

00:59:35.720 but there's an idea here too

00:59:38.380 is that

00:59:38.700 there was something in the garden

00:59:39.860 at the beginning of time

00:59:40.940 that was like a snake

00:59:42.180 that was like a person

00:59:43.140 that was like something

00:59:44.080 that was winged

00:59:45.040 it was something spiritual

00:59:46.360 so it's spiritual human

00:59:47.540 and reptilian

00:59:48.260 all at the same time

00:59:49.180 and it's the animating

00:59:50.680 spirit of the tree

00:59:52.520 okay

00:59:53.480 so keep that in mind

00:59:54.560 thus the heavens

00:59:57.340 and the earth were finished

00:59:58.320 this is in relationship

00:59:59.220 to Genesis 1

01:00:00.080 and all the host of them

01:00:01.100 and on the seventh day

01:00:01.940 God ended his work

01:00:02.900 which he had made

01:00:03.820 and he rested on

01:00:04.680 the seventh day

01:00:05.440 from all his work

01:00:06.040 which he had made

01:00:06.640 and God blessed the seventh day

01:00:08.260 and sanctified it

01:00:09.080 because that

01:00:09.600 in it

01:00:10.300 he had rested

01:00:10.800 from all his work

01:00:11.580 which God created and made

01:00:12.940 that's wisdom in that one too

01:00:14.560 I think

01:00:14.940 the idea of the Sabbath

01:00:15.900 you know

01:00:16.260 because one of the things

01:00:17.520 I've worked with a lot of people

01:00:18.860 who were hyper conscientious

01:00:20.160 and the thing about

01:00:21.080 hyper conscientious people

01:00:22.220 is that

01:00:22.660 they'll just work till they die

01:00:24.180 and that's actually

01:00:25.220 not very productive

01:00:25.980 because then they're dead

01:00:26.920 and they can't work

01:00:27.760 and so

01:00:28.580 what you have to do

01:00:29.340 with hyper conscientious people

01:00:30.560 is you have to say

01:00:31.240 well I know you'd rather

01:00:32.060 do nothing but work

01:00:32.920 and maybe you're just as guilty

01:00:34.020 as you can possibly be

01:00:35.080 when you're not working

01:00:35.920 but let's figure out

01:00:37.100 what you're up to

01:00:37.760 and what you're up to

01:00:38.600 in all probability

01:00:39.760 is the attempt to be productive

01:00:41.280 in the least problematic

01:00:43.140 longest sustaining

01:00:45.000 possible manner

01:00:46.080 and that might mean

01:00:47.300 you have to take a rest

01:00:48.200 and so one of the things

01:00:49.760 I used to work with lawyers

01:00:51.680 with people who

01:00:52.540 had risen to the top

01:00:53.940 of large law firms

01:00:54.820 and they were hyper productive types

01:00:56.200 and they're often

01:00:57.340 you know

01:00:57.740 trying to hit their impossible

01:00:58.900 quota for yearly hours

01:01:00.460 and

01:01:01.360 and burning themselves

01:01:02.840 to a frazzle

01:01:03.540 as a consequence

01:01:04.300 and one of the things

01:01:05.100 that we used to do

01:01:05.780 was

01:01:06.020 they couldn't work fewer hours

01:01:07.460 because a day

01:01:08.320 that just didn't work

01:01:09.060 but what we did

01:01:09.900 was we'd have them

01:01:10.500 take more time off

01:01:11.580 you know

01:01:11.900 like

01:01:12.140 a four day weekend

01:01:13.280 every two months

01:01:13.960 or something

01:01:14.360 that was plotted

01:01:15.220 out into the future

01:01:16.240 and then we'd track

01:01:17.320 their billable hours

01:01:18.340 which is their degree

01:01:19.100 of productivity

01:01:19.640 it would actually increase

01:01:20.820 so that was so cool

01:01:21.840 because you could take

01:01:23.000 hardworking people

01:01:23.780 and you could say

01:01:24.340 look you know

01:01:24.900 take a break

01:01:26.200 why?

01:01:27.800 well

01:01:28.060 because you'll be more productive

01:01:29.640 if you take a break

01:01:30.580 no that couldn't possibly be

01:01:32.240 like I should just work

01:01:33.060 flat out all the time

01:01:33.940 it's like

01:01:34.220 let's test that out

01:01:35.100 you take a break

01:01:35.740 now and then

01:01:36.240 it's like

01:01:36.900 well what happened

01:01:37.560 was their productivity

01:01:38.240 would increase

01:01:38.800 often by 10%

01:01:39.780 so there's wisdom here too

01:01:41.960 which is okay

01:01:42.600 and this

01:01:43.880 alludes to the

01:01:46.300 Adam and Eve story

01:01:47.080 near the end

01:01:47.600 you're self-conscious

01:01:49.880 you discover the future

01:01:50.960 you have to work

01:01:51.740 well then the question is

01:01:53.460 how much should you work?

01:01:54.520 and one answer is

01:01:55.220 you better bloody well

01:01:56.320 work all the time

01:01:56.980 because no matter

01:01:57.440 how much work you do

01:01:58.380 you're not solving your problems

01:01:59.900 they're coming along man

01:02:01.580 and you can stack up

01:02:02.760 all the money you want

01:02:03.500 you can stack up

01:02:04.120 all the wealth you want

01:02:04.860 it is not going to protect you

01:02:06.300 in the final analysis

01:02:07.100 so you better be

01:02:08.240 hitting the ground running

01:02:09.080 and you better run flat out

01:02:10.200 all the time

01:02:10.780 well what happens if you do that?

01:02:12.600 well then you die

01:02:13.540 that's not a good solution 0.95

01:02:15.560 so maybe you should rest

01:02:17.140 and so

01:02:17.840 how does that rest

01:02:19.000 get instantiated?

01:02:20.200 well

01:02:20.380 it's not easy to tell

01:02:22.320 but one way

01:02:23.120 to do it

01:02:24.020 let's say conceptually

01:02:25.360 is to say

01:02:25.760 look even God had to rest

01:02:27.280 one day a week

01:02:28.040 and so

01:02:28.400 you don't have to be

01:02:29.460 so presumptuous

01:02:30.440 to assume

01:02:31.200 that if God had to rest

01:02:32.920 one day a week

01:02:33.540 that maybe you know

01:02:34.460 you are allowed

01:02:36.320 to work

01:02:37.740 non-stop

01:02:39.040 without a break

01:02:40.480 at all

01:02:41.360 you know

01:02:42.380 and I think our culture

01:02:43.440 has slipped into that

01:02:44.580 in quite a dangerous way

01:02:46.100 because everything is open

01:02:47.080 all the time

01:02:47.600 and I mean

01:02:47.940 I find that just as convenient

01:02:49.880 as the rest of you

01:02:50.660 but you know

01:02:51.700 it's so strange

01:02:53.200 to talk to modern people

01:02:54.140 because one of the things

01:02:54.980 they always tell you

01:02:55.840 we say

01:02:56.120 well how are you

01:02:56.700 and what do they always say?

01:02:57.880 they don't say good

01:02:58.640 they don't say bad

01:02:59.500 they say busy

01:03:00.360 it's like

01:03:01.100 yeah well

01:03:01.880 okay

01:03:03.540 this is where

01:03:05.760 Genesis 2 starts

01:03:07.760 and we finally got there

01:03:09.000 these are the generations

01:03:10.320 of the heavens

01:03:10.900 and of the earth

01:03:11.620 when they were created

01:03:13.520 in the day that

01:03:14.140 the Lord God

01:03:14.720 made the earth

01:03:15.460 and the heavens

01:03:15.920 and every plant

01:03:16.880 of the field

01:03:17.400 before it was in the earth

01:03:18.360 and every herb

01:03:18.940 of the field

01:03:19.380 before it grew

01:03:20.040 for the Lord God

01:03:21.120 had not caused it

01:03:22.020 to rain upon the earth

01:03:22.880 and there was not a man

01:03:24.220 to till the ground

01:03:25.340 but there went up

01:03:27.300 a mist from the earth

01:03:28.320 and watered

01:03:29.340 the whole face

01:03:29.900 of the ground

01:03:30.400 and the Lord God

01:03:31.860 formed man

01:03:32.600 of the dust

01:03:33.200 of the ground

01:03:33.680 and breathed

01:03:34.340 into his nostrils

01:03:35.120 the breath of life

01:03:35.940 and man became

01:03:36.960 a living soul

01:03:37.720 well you know

01:03:39.280 there's some archaic

01:03:39.980 thinking in there

01:03:40.600 the breath is life

01:03:41.620 right

01:03:41.900 that's psyche

01:03:42.560 that's spirit

01:03:43.240 that's inspiration

01:03:44.120 that's respiration

01:03:45.080 that's all associated

01:03:46.340 it's pneuma

01:03:47.400 like pneumatic tire

01:03:48.520 it's breath

01:03:49.940 and the reason

01:03:51.160 that people associated

01:03:52.040 life with breath 0.97

01:03:52.940 well that's not so foolish 0.98

01:03:54.060 you know 0.93

01:03:54.400 I mean

01:03:54.740 you're breathing man

01:03:55.900 and it's something

01:03:56.580 you do all the time

01:03:57.400 and when you die

01:03:58.280 you stop breathing

01:03:59.100 and so the idea

01:03:59.860 that there's something

01:04:00.580 integral to life

01:04:02.100 about breathing

01:04:02.740 is a perfectly

01:04:03.360 reasonable supposition

01:04:04.440 it actually happens

01:04:05.240 to be very true

01:04:06.040 and then to associate

01:04:07.400 the act of creation

01:04:09.660 with the act of

01:04:10.860 first of all

01:04:12.120 inspiration

01:04:12.700 and respiration

01:04:13.540 and the breathing

01:04:14.860 of life

01:04:16.040 into something

01:04:16.580 that was inanimate

01:04:17.300 is

01:04:17.560 well what do you expect

01:04:19.160 for a one sentence

01:04:19.820 description

01:04:20.280 it's not a bad

01:04:21.020 one sentence description

01:04:21.980 you know

01:04:22.460 so

01:04:23.220 and the Lord God

01:04:24.260 planted a garden

01:04:25.040 eastward in Eden

01:04:26.000 and Eden means

01:04:27.140 well watered place

01:04:28.280 and that's particularly

01:04:29.260 relevant I suppose

01:04:30.180 if you're a desert

01:04:30.960 dweller right

01:04:31.660 because the issue

01:04:32.840 there is can you

01:04:33.560 get enough water

01:04:34.160 to make things grow

01:04:35.060 and so

01:04:35.880 the walled garden

01:04:37.900 which is paradise

01:04:38.580 is also Eden

01:04:39.460 which is a well watered

01:04:40.520 place

01:04:40.800 and water has

01:04:41.780 the element of chaos

01:04:42.960 we already saw that

01:04:44.140 in relationship

01:04:44.800 to Genesis 1

01:04:45.780 where the underlying

01:04:46.920 chaos was often

01:04:48.000 assimilated symbolically

01:04:49.340 to water

01:04:49.800 and so

01:04:50.660 the idea too

01:04:52.140 is that a certain

01:04:52.780 amount of chaos

01:04:53.460 has to be brought

01:04:54.200 into the order

01:04:54.780 in order for it

01:04:55.660 to be fruitful

01:04:56.180 and you can see

01:04:56.840 that in the form

01:04:57.440 of allowing in

01:04:58.940 the water

01:04:59.440 and out of the ground

01:05:00.780 made the Lord God

01:05:01.620 to grow every tree

01:05:03.120 that is pleasant

01:05:03.720 to the sight

01:05:04.260 and good for food

01:05:05.040 the tree of life

01:05:06.400 also in the midst

01:05:07.320 of the garden

01:05:07.860 and the tree

01:05:08.740 of the knowledge

01:05:09.340 of good and evil

01:05:09.960 so two trees

01:05:11.620 are marked out

01:05:12.280 among the rest

01:05:13.040 one is the tree

01:05:13.940 of life

01:05:14.860 and one is the tree

01:05:15.640 of the knowledge

01:05:16.100 of good and evil

01:05:16.680 now

01:05:16.900 you know

01:05:17.760 when you read

01:05:19.200 something like that

01:05:19.880 if you're thinking

01:05:20.500 about it

01:05:20.880 that you're in

01:05:21.400 a metaphorical space

01:05:22.680 now we've got to

01:05:23.960 be careful

01:05:24.360 about metaphors

01:05:25.160 because you know

01:05:26.420 I could say

01:05:27.140 that the chaos order

01:05:29.060 idea is a metaphor

01:05:30.100 but then I also said

01:05:31.280 well wait a second

01:05:32.320 it's a metaphor

01:05:33.340 but it's also

01:05:34.020 what your brain

01:05:34.620 is adapted to

01:05:35.500 and so you know

01:05:36.240 let's just not be

01:05:37.200 pushing the idea

01:05:37.900 that it's merely

01:05:38.480 a metaphor

01:05:38.900 too hard

01:05:39.520 and the same thing

01:05:41.160 is here

01:05:42.120 is happening here

01:05:43.200 these are metaphors

01:05:44.160 the tree of life

01:05:45.320 and the tree

01:05:46.680 of the knowledge

01:05:47.160 of good and evil

01:05:47.800 but that doesn't

01:05:49.900 exactly mean

01:05:50.480 that they're mere

01:05:51.080 metaphors

01:05:51.640 because sometimes

01:05:52.740 as I mentioned

01:05:54.240 before

01:05:54.600 if you have

01:05:56.160 a set of things

01:05:57.060 and you abstract

01:05:57.780 out from them

01:05:58.580 a common element

01:05:59.500 you can make

01:06:00.320 a strong case

01:06:00.980 that the common element

01:06:01.880 is more real

01:06:02.600 than the set of things

01:06:03.660 from which you

01:06:04.180 abstracted it

01:06:04.940 that's the whole

01:06:05.780 utility of abstraction

01:06:06.800 why would you bother

01:06:07.620 with it otherwise

01:06:08.240 if you can't

01:06:08.920 take a set of things

01:06:10.120 and say look

01:06:10.640 there's something

01:06:11.080 in common

01:06:11.540 across this set

01:06:12.260 of things

01:06:12.620 that's more important

01:06:13.720 than the differences

01:06:14.440 between them

01:06:15.040 then you wouldn't

01:06:15.460 bother abstracting

01:06:16.280 at all

01:06:16.660 and so the tree

01:06:17.700 of life

01:06:18.120 and the tree

01:06:18.560 of the knowledge

01:06:19.020 of good and evil

01:06:19.580 are abstractions

01:06:20.520 now one of the questions

01:06:22.620 is this is a tough one

01:06:24.240 man I've been trying

01:06:24.900 to figure out

01:06:25.540 for a long time

01:06:26.320 why a fruit

01:06:28.520 and something you eat

01:06:29.780 would be associated

01:06:30.620 with the transformation

01:06:31.920 of psychology

01:06:33.580 because that's basically

01:06:34.560 what happens

01:06:35.140 in the Adam and Eve story

01:06:35.980 why would it be something

01:06:36.820 that you eat

01:06:37.500 now Eric Neumann

01:06:38.760 who was one of Jung's students

01:06:40.000 had written a fair bit

01:06:41.140 about this

01:06:41.580 and got a fair ways

01:06:42.420 with it

01:06:42.760 he said well you know

01:06:44.020 we do have noted

01:06:45.700 we've noticed forever

01:06:46.600 that the act of eating

01:06:47.960 especially if you're hungry

01:06:49.020 especially if you're starving

01:06:50.140 produces a rapid

01:06:51.180 spiritual transformation

01:06:52.320 right

01:06:52.800 I mean

01:06:53.020 some of you

01:06:54.220 this is worth knowing

01:06:55.140 you probably have

01:06:56.040 a crabby partner

01:06:57.100 or child

01:06:57.840 because everyone does

01:06:58.900 and one thing

01:07:00.200 you might try

01:07:00.800 is that

01:07:01.160 if they get erratic

01:07:02.540 during the day

01:07:03.640 and you know

01:07:04.180 get all

01:07:04.540 volatile

01:07:06.220 about nothing at all

01:07:07.260 just give them

01:07:07.960 something to eat

01:07:08.680 really

01:07:09.620 I'll tell you

01:07:10.200 man

01:07:10.400 this solves

01:07:11.020 I do this with my

01:07:11.840 clinical clients

01:07:12.460 all the time

01:07:13.020 it's like

01:07:13.660 they say

01:07:14.520 well I fly off the handle

01:07:15.440 at the littlest things

01:07:16.300 it's like okay

01:07:16.880 yeah just try this

01:07:17.840 for a week

01:07:18.300 when you're crabby

01:07:19.200 and unreasonable

01:07:19.700 eat a piece of cheese

01:07:21.300 or eat a peanut butter sandwich

01:07:22.820 eat something that's

01:07:23.920 high protein

01:07:24.540 high fat

01:07:25.080 and then just wait

01:07:26.060 ten minutes

01:07:26.520 and see if you're sane

01:07:27.500 and you'll find out

01:07:28.780 that you're sane

01:07:29.680 after you eat

01:07:30.420 so often

01:07:31.560 that you just can't believe 0.99

01:07:33.100 how crazy you are 0.56

01:07:34.140 when you're hungry 1.00

01:07:34.720 look

01:07:36.000 here's

01:07:36.480 it's really

01:07:37.260 absolutely

01:07:38.180 bloody remarkable

01:07:39.260 so I'm telling you

01:07:40.080 try this

01:07:40.760 it'll

01:07:41.180 especially if you don't

01:07:42.960 eat breakfast

01:07:43.520 this will change

01:07:44.720 your life

01:07:45.420 and so

01:07:46.400 here's a practical bit

01:07:48.460 of information

01:07:49.120 for you too

01:07:49.680 for all of you

01:07:50.300 anti-social types

01:07:51.820 who are going to end up

01:07:52.620 in prison

01:07:53.060 so

01:07:53.780 if you're in prison

01:07:56.560 and you want to go

01:07:58.160 on parole

01:07:58.760 okay

01:07:59.660 so you have to go

01:08:00.460 in front of the judge

01:08:01.060 and tell them

01:08:01.480 why you're not

01:08:01.880 going to do it again

01:08:02.600 so here's the deal

01:08:04.380 it doesn't really matter

01:08:05.660 what you did

01:08:06.460 and it doesn't really matter

01:08:07.700 what you promise

01:08:08.920 what matters is

01:08:09.920 whether you see the judge

01:08:11.180 before lunch

01:08:12.100 or after lunch

01:08:12.920 because if you see

01:08:14.040 the judge after lunch

01:08:15.400 the probability

01:08:16.020 that you'll get parole

01:08:17.060 is 60% higher

01:08:18.560 yeah right

01:08:19.860 that is just

01:08:21.040 like

01:08:21.440 so never have an argument

01:08:23.420 with your partner

01:08:24.580 when you're hungry

01:08:25.500 or when they're hungry

01:08:26.240 especially if you want

01:08:27.160 something from them

01:08:28.140 it's like

01:08:28.500 here's a sandwich

01:08:29.620 they'll eat it

01:08:30.460 then they'll be happy

01:08:31.040 then you can manipulate them

01:08:32.940 before

01:08:33.680 before that man

01:08:35.360 no

01:08:35.620 so you know

01:08:41.100 it's not that unreasonable

01:08:42.420 to think

01:08:42.900 that there's a spirit

01:08:43.960 in food

01:08:44.540 because food rejuvenates

01:08:46.160 and it just doesn't

01:08:46.800 rejuvenate you physically

01:08:47.760 it rejuvenates you spiritually

01:08:49.040 and then of course

01:08:49.720 there's the other things

01:08:50.920 that we consume

01:08:51.700 that aren't exactly like food

01:08:53.240 that have a walloping

01:08:54.440 spiritual impact

01:08:55.480 like alcohol

01:08:56.520 let's say

01:08:57.000 which is a spirit

01:08:57.860 and is regarded

01:08:58.940 it's Dionysius

01:09:00.140 right

01:09:00.420 I mean

01:09:00.720 it's the god of the vine

01:09:01.920 and the god of the vine

01:09:03.000 possesses you

01:09:03.720 and makes you act

01:09:04.700 all the fun ways

01:09:05.420 that alcohol makes you act

01:09:06.600 you know

01:09:06.900 the fun ways

01:09:07.760 that you regret

01:09:08.300 the next day

01:09:09.000 and so

01:09:11.080 there's the spiritual element

01:09:12.480 of that too

01:09:13.140 and then

01:09:14.500 but there's something

01:09:15.440 even deeper

01:09:16.060 that I think is so cool

01:09:17.200 that's associated

01:09:17.920 with food and information

01:09:19.180 because

01:09:19.960 the story of Adam and Eve

01:09:22.080 represents

01:09:22.700 the fruit

01:09:23.920 as producing

01:09:25.220 a psychological transformation

01:09:26.440 and so

01:09:27.100 the tree

01:09:27.900 of the knowledge

01:09:28.820 of good and evil

01:09:29.460 is an abstraction

01:09:30.620 across trees

01:09:31.560 and it's trying to say

01:09:32.460 here's something

01:09:33.260 that's common

01:09:33.840 across trees

01:09:35.160 it's a fruit

01:09:36.180 that's common

01:09:36.720 across trees

01:09:37.460 it's something like that

01:09:38.920 and so

01:09:39.300 the fruit across

01:09:41.140 that's common

01:09:41.960 across trees

01:09:42.600 is something

01:09:42.940 you might call food

01:09:44.000 fair enough

01:09:44.940 that's a generalization

01:09:45.880 but here's something

01:09:46.720 that's even more cool

01:09:47.620 the food that's

01:09:49.340 stable across

01:09:50.420 the entire domain

01:09:52.740 of food

01:09:53.240 isn't food

01:09:54.420 it's information

01:09:55.200 it's information

01:09:56.780 and we use

01:09:57.960 the same bloody circuits

01:09:59.060 in our brain

01:09:59.680 to forage for information

01:10:00.940 that squirrels use

01:10:01.700 to forage for food

01:10:02.540 that animals use

01:10:03.380 to forage for food

01:10:04.140 it's the same circuit

01:10:05.200 and why is that?

01:10:06.540 because we figured out

01:10:07.400 that knowing where things is

01:10:08.940 knowing where the food is

01:10:10.240 is more important

01:10:10.880 than having the food

01:10:11.580 and so

01:10:12.540 knowing where the food is

01:10:14.460 is a form of meta food

01:10:15.880 information is a form

01:10:17.240 of meta food

01:10:18.420 and once you

01:10:19.540 well that's why

01:10:20.240 we're information foragers

01:10:21.380 and so once you grasp that

01:10:23.300 and that idea

01:10:24.520 is embedded

01:10:25.780 into the story

01:10:26.520 of Adam and Eve

01:10:27.180 so whatever it is

01:10:28.100 that they ingest

01:10:28.820 is a form of meta food

01:10:30.020 it's information

01:10:31.540 and you know

01:10:33.040 we'll trade food

01:10:33.840 for information

01:10:34.560 right?

01:10:34.940 so if you're

01:10:35.520 stuck on the edge

01:10:36.900 of the highway

01:10:37.300 and you know

01:10:38.160 your hood's up

01:10:39.640 and your going places

01:10:42.080 thing has turned 0.91

01:10:42.860 into a pile of junk 0.99

01:10:43.780 that you don't understand 0.98

01:10:44.760 and somebody pulls

01:10:46.260 up beside you

01:10:47.540 and they're a mechanic

01:10:48.180 and they point to something

01:10:49.480 and say

01:10:49.760 well just put that wire

01:10:50.540 back on there

01:10:51.020 you'll immediately

01:10:51.560 give them a sandwich

01:10:52.520 right?

01:10:53.340 or you'll offer them

01:10:54.340 something in return

01:10:55.520 you know what I mean?

01:10:56.320 because they've provided you

01:10:57.260 with information

01:10:57.880 that has value

01:10:58.700 and it has value

01:10:59.740 because it actually

01:11:00.400 provides you with energy

01:11:01.460 because information

01:11:02.220 provides you with energy

01:11:03.240 because otherwise

01:11:03.800 why would we bother with it?

01:11:05.620 and so food provides energy

01:11:06.780 but so does information

01:11:07.880 and so

01:11:08.900 there's the idea of food

01:11:11.100 that you abstract

01:11:11.760 from everything you can eat

01:11:13.040 but then there's the idea

01:11:14.080 of what you could abstract

01:11:15.160 from all sources of food

01:11:16.720 and the answer to that

01:11:17.520 would be information

01:11:18.320 and the trees

01:11:19.560 that are being referred to

01:11:20.820 in Adam and Eve

01:11:21.460 are these meta trees

01:11:22.680 they're not

01:11:23.420 ordinary trees

01:11:24.860 just like paradise

01:11:25.760 is no ordinary place

01:11:27.000 just like Adam and Eve

01:11:27.940 are no ordinary people

01:11:29.160 and just like the logos

01:11:30.640 that God is using

01:11:31.700 at the beginning of time

01:11:32.560 is no ordinary conception

01:11:33.900 and these aren't

01:11:35.460 they're not metaphors

01:11:36.580 they're more than metaphors

01:11:37.780 they're

01:11:38.040 I think of them

01:11:38.900 as hyper realities

01:11:39.980 it's something like that

01:11:41.120 is they're more real

01:11:42.200 than what you see

01:11:42.920 they're more real

01:11:43.600 than the reality

01:11:44.200 that presents itself to you

01:11:45.400 and lots of things

01:11:46.280 are like that

01:11:46.860 right?

01:11:47.200 numbers are like that

01:11:48.240 we wouldn't think

01:11:49.480 or abstract

01:11:49.980 if there weren't things

01:11:51.160 that were more real

01:11:52.020 than what we can see

01:11:53.300 so what's most real?

01:11:56.120 well that's partly

01:11:56.900 what we're trying

01:11:57.400 to figure out

01:11:58.000 and out of the ground

01:11:59.280 made the Lord God

01:12:00.280 to grow every tree

01:12:01.000 that is pleasant

01:12:01.540 to this sight

01:12:02.060 and good for food

01:12:03.200 the tree of life

01:12:04.680 also in the midst

01:12:05.580 of the garden

01:12:06.100 and the tree of knowledge

01:12:07.700 of good and evil

01:12:08.280 and a river went out

01:12:09.120 of Eden

01:12:09.420 to water the garden

01:12:10.260 and from thence

01:12:10.820 it was parted

01:12:11.400 and became into four heads

01:12:12.540 that's produced

01:12:14.060 a tremendous amount

01:12:14.840 of speculation

01:12:15.380 now you know

01:12:16.720 the garden of Eden

01:12:17.840 is also the holy city

01:12:19.080 that's another way

01:12:19.940 of thinking about it

01:12:20.580 or it's Jerusalem

01:12:21.360 right?

01:12:22.020 or it's the ideal state

01:12:23.220 which could be

01:12:23.880 the ideal city

01:12:24.580 or it could be

01:12:24.960 an ideal state of being

01:12:26.080 or it could be

01:12:26.520 the ideal psyche

01:12:27.360 it's all of those things

01:12:28.680 stacked up at the same time

01:12:30.020 right?

01:12:30.580 and this is a Mandela

01:12:31.440 and this is the Mandela form

01:12:32.900 that people

01:12:33.720 what would you call

01:12:35.080 hypothesized

01:12:36.180 that constituted

01:12:37.260 the structure

01:12:37.900 of paradise

01:12:38.820 you notice it's got

01:12:39.480 this cross form

01:12:40.680 that's Eden itself

01:12:42.380 and there's the

01:12:42.980 the center of Eden

01:12:43.920 and there's the rivers

01:12:44.760 those are rivers

01:12:45.560 not snakes

01:12:46.160 those are the rivers

01:12:46.840 that go out of it

01:12:47.540 and they're turned into

01:12:48.520 these Mandela images

01:12:49.600 that are representative

01:12:50.540 of what Jung described

01:12:51.640 as the self

01:12:52.340 which would be

01:12:52.860 the center element

01:12:54.060 of being

01:12:54.540 that he associated

01:12:55.380 of conscious being

01:12:56.280 that he associated

01:12:57.060 with divinity

01:12:57.780 I would say

01:12:58.360 but also with the idea

01:12:59.920 of the holy city

01:13:00.700 and so

01:13:01.220 I'm just showing you that

01:13:03.620 to show you

01:13:04.100 where the imagination

01:13:04.960 has taken

01:13:05.640 ideas of paradise

01:13:06.580 so

01:13:07.520 the name of the first river

01:13:10.820 is Pison

01:13:11.440 that is which

01:13:12.600 compasseth the whole land

01:13:14.120 of Havilla

01:13:14.520 where there is gold

01:13:15.260 and the gold of that land

01:13:16.260 is good

01:13:16.640 there's Bdellium

01:13:17.740 and the onyx stone

01:13:18.560 and the name of the second river

01:13:20.000 is Gihon

01:13:20.600 the same is it

01:13:21.320 that compasseth

01:13:21.980 the whole land

01:13:22.480 of Ethiopia

01:13:23.020 and the name of the third river

01:13:24.420 is Hedekal 0.88

01:13:25.080 or Hedekal

01:13:26.320 I don't know

01:13:26.960 that is

01:13:27.740 it which goeth

01:13:28.640 towards the east of Assyria

01:13:29.760 and the fourth river

01:13:30.520 is the Euphrates

01:13:31.200 so there's this strange

01:13:33.040 intermingling there

01:13:34.140 of geography

01:13:34.900 with mythical geography

01:13:36.660 right

01:13:37.080 which you see

01:13:37.640 happen fairly frequently

01:13:38.680 in the books

01:13:39.220 and the Lord God

01:13:40.560 took the man

01:13:41.160 and put him in the garden of Eden

01:13:42.940 to dress it

01:13:44.160 and keep it

01:13:44.800 okay

01:13:45.240 so that's a good

01:13:46.200 that's a good command

01:13:47.300 that's what you're supposed to do 1.00

01:13:48.320 is take care of the damn thing 0.99

01:13:49.880 it was a lot of work to make 0.99

01:13:51.320 right

01:13:51.560 took a whole week

01:13:52.340 and the Lord God

01:13:56.880 commanded the man

01:13:57.660 saying

01:13:58.040 of every tree of the garden

01:13:59.500 thou mayest freely eat

01:14:01.020 but of the tree of the knowledge

01:14:02.960 of good and evil

01:14:03.640 thou shalt not eat of it

01:14:05.220 for in the day

01:14:05.980 that thou eatest thereof

01:14:07.380 thou shalt surely die

01:14:08.980 well there's this bunch

01:14:10.840 of questions there

01:14:11.640 that people have been

01:14:12.820 puzzling their

01:14:14.120 puzzling over for a long time

01:14:16.320 God

01:14:17.020 he's a tricky character

01:14:18.520 in the story of Adam and Eve

01:14:19.920 it's like

01:14:20.360 okay 0.99

01:14:20.900 if we can't eat the damn thing 0.98

01:14:22.100 well why put it in the garden 0.99

01:14:23.080 to begin with

01:14:23.640 that would be one question

01:14:24.780 and

01:14:25.740 you made us

01:14:27.280 and then you told us

01:14:27.980 not to eat this

01:14:28.600 knowing perfectly well

01:14:29.480 that the first thing

01:14:30.100 we were going to do

01:14:30.700 is eat it

01:14:31.140 because people are

01:14:32.280 of exactly that

01:14:33.060 type

01:14:33.760 which is that

01:14:34.420 if you say to them

01:14:35.360 with their insatiable curiosity

01:14:37.600 this is all fine

01:14:39.040 and nice

01:14:39.940 but over here

01:14:40.540 is something you should

01:14:41.220 never look at

01:14:41.980 and then you leave the room

01:14:42.860 it's like everybody

01:14:43.500 is over there

01:14:44.000 trying to figure out

01:14:44.620 what the hell that thing is

01:14:45.540 instantly right

01:14:46.820 because we're curious

01:14:48.200 curious curious

01:14:49.320 curious creatures

01:14:50.280 and so you have to wonder

01:14:51.560 exactly what God

01:14:52.400 was up to here

01:14:53.180 and there's Gnostic

01:14:54.160 speculation that

01:14:55.280 the original God

01:14:56.720 this one was not really

01:14:57.780 a very good God

01:14:58.600 he was kind of an unconscious

01:14:59.660 evil God

01:15:00.620 and that he wanted his creation

01:15:02.200 to be unconscious

01:15:03.020 and so forbade them

01:15:04.440 from developing consciousness

01:15:05.520 and that it was a higher God

01:15:06.760 who

01:15:07.000 and maybe in the form

01:15:08.400 of the serpent

01:15:08.920 who tempted human beings

01:15:10.140 towards consciousness

01:15:11.080 and you know

01:15:12.120 that idea got scrubbed out

01:15:13.820 of classic Christianity

01:15:14.760 pretty early

01:15:15.440 although there's something

01:15:16.240 that's interesting about it

01:15:17.320 and there are remnants of it

01:15:18.920 in different forms

01:15:19.940 that stayed inside the story

01:15:21.640 like the idea

01:15:23.860 that the fall

01:15:24.600 was you know

01:15:26.200 a terrible tragedy

01:15:27.200 but on the other hand

01:15:28.960 it was the precondition

01:15:30.360 for the greatest event

01:15:31.320 in history

01:15:31.820 which was the birth of Christ

01:15:33.520 and the redemption

01:15:34.160 of mankind

01:15:34.700 and so it's complicated

01:15:37.080 let's put it that way

01:15:38.060 God only knows

01:15:38.780 what God was up to

01:15:39.640 but you know

01:15:41.040 this is a good example

01:15:42.660 of that ambivalence

01:15:43.620 and to me again

01:15:44.600 it's an indication

01:15:45.540 of the sophistication

01:15:46.660 of the people

01:15:47.140 who put these stories together

01:15:48.200 I also consider this

01:15:49.520 somewhat miraculous

01:15:50.400 because you know

01:15:51.060 if you were just a simple

01:15:52.180 propagandist of sorts

01:15:53.680 you wouldn't leave

01:15:54.460 this sort of complexity

01:15:55.280 in the text

01:15:56.020 you just get rid of that

01:15:57.280 because if you're a propagandist

01:15:58.880 everything is supposed

01:15:59.680 to make sense

01:16:00.240 along the ideological plane

01:16:01.740 and here God's supposed

01:16:02.780 to be good

01:16:03.360 it's like well

01:16:03.960 we better get there

01:16:04.560 to that line

01:16:05.340 because something's up

01:16:06.960 with it

01:16:07.300 and it isn't obvious

01:16:08.120 what it is

01:16:08.580 but that isn't what people did

01:16:09.800 and to me

01:16:10.580 that indicates

01:16:11.200 that they were doing

01:16:12.220 two things

01:16:12.760 is they were trying

01:16:13.580 not to be too

01:16:16.180 careless

01:16:17.520 with the traditions

01:16:18.580 that they were handed

01:16:19.360 they were touching them

01:16:22.320 at their peril

01:16:23.020 they were very careful

01:16:23.860 with them

01:16:24.180 and also that they were

01:16:24.980 actually trying to understand

01:16:25.900 what was going on

01:16:26.680 because why otherwise

01:16:27.720 keep this

01:16:28.280 why not just simplify it

01:16:29.400 or maybe just attribute

01:16:31.620 this to the devil

01:16:32.420 that would be easier

01:16:33.280 than having God do it

01:16:35.140 but

01:16:35.480 and the Lord God said

01:16:37.540 it is not good

01:16:38.520 that man should be alone

01:16:39.440 I will make

01:16:40.080 a helpmeet for him

01:16:41.220 and out of the ground

01:16:42.380 the Lord God

01:16:43.000 formed every beast

01:16:43.700 of the field

01:16:44.140 and every fowl of the air

01:16:45.080 and brought them

01:16:45.860 unto Adam

01:16:46.380 to see what he would

01:16:47.300 call them

01:16:47.740 and whatsoever Adam

01:16:49.160 called every living creature

01:16:50.200 that was the name thereof

01:16:51.280 and Adam gave names

01:16:52.900 to all the cattle

01:16:53.560 and the fowl of

01:16:54.100 cattle means animals

01:16:55.020 basically

01:16:55.460 and to the fowl of the air

01:16:56.740 and to every beast

01:16:58.480 of the field

01:16:58.920 but for Adam

01:16:59.580 there was not found

01:17:00.300 a helpmeet for him

01:17:01.140 okay

01:17:01.740 well a couple of things

01:17:02.900 there

01:17:03.200 speculations

01:17:04.580 number one

01:17:05.640 it's like

01:17:06.120 why does God care

01:17:07.200 what Adam calls

01:17:07.980 the animals

01:17:08.500 and the answer to that

01:17:10.020 seems to be

01:17:10.700 that it's associated

01:17:11.560 again with the magic

01:17:12.480 of speech

01:17:13.100 right

01:17:14.080 so that we know

01:17:15.000 according to the story

01:17:16.200 that human beings

01:17:16.860 were already

01:17:17.340 made in the image

01:17:18.460 of God

01:17:18.860 and that God

01:17:19.360 used language

01:17:19.920 in order to call

01:17:20.740 order forth from chaos

01:17:21.980 and that human beings

01:17:23.280 were made in that image

01:17:24.620 and so there's an echo

01:17:25.760 of that here

01:17:26.420 even though it's from

01:17:27.060 an independent tradition

01:17:27.980 and the echo is

01:17:28.680 the thing isn't quite real

01:17:30.140 till you name it

01:17:31.000 and that's quite

01:17:32.380 and that's

01:17:32.900 that's an interesting thing

01:17:34.000 and we don't exactly know

01:17:35.260 how far that extends

01:17:36.900 it's certainly the case

01:17:37.960 that

01:17:38.240 like seem

01:17:40.160 things often exist

01:17:41.580 in a strange

01:17:42.620 potential form

01:17:44.080 interconnected form

01:17:45.140 where everything's confusing

01:17:46.280 like a massive confusion

01:17:47.640 before you put your finger

01:17:49.100 on it

01:17:49.360 name it

01:17:49.920 what's going on here

01:17:51.640 you name it

01:17:52.680 it's like

01:17:53.000 it carves it out

01:17:55.360 from all that underlying chaos

01:17:56.680 and makes it into

01:17:57.800 a grippable entity

01:17:59.280 that you can then

01:18:00.000 contend with

01:18:01.000 and you might say

01:18:01.860 well it was real

01:18:02.560 before you named it

01:18:03.640 it's like

01:18:04.000 well

01:18:04.520 yes

01:18:05.740 it was real

01:18:06.740 before you named it

01:18:08.320 the same way

01:18:09.040 things are there

01:18:10.020 when there's no one there

01:18:10.880 to perceive them

01:18:11.740 and it isn't obvious

01:18:13.640 how things are there

01:18:15.020 when you're not there

01:18:16.180 to perceive them

01:18:16.680 I'll tell you something

01:18:17.500 bloody weird about perception

01:18:18.820 you can look this up

01:18:19.800 and John Wheeler

01:18:20.520 John Wheeler's a physicist

01:18:21.700 so here's a really cool thing

01:18:23.220 let's say you go outside

01:18:24.620 at night

01:18:25.400 and you look up

01:18:26.040 and you see a star

01:18:26.920 and like

01:18:28.300 so a photon from that star

01:18:29.960 enters your eye

01:18:30.820 and maybe that photon

01:18:32.520 has been cruising along

01:18:33.560 for like

01:18:33.860 30 million years

01:18:35.100 do you know

01:18:36.420 that that photon

01:18:37.840 would not have been emitted

01:18:39.080 from that star

01:18:40.040 at that time

01:18:40.840 if your eye wasn't there

01:18:42.100 at that time

01:18:42.940 to receive it

01:18:43.680 you think 0.90

01:18:44.900 well how in the hell

01:18:45.480 can that be

01:18:45.920 because it happened

01:18:46.380 20 million years ago

01:18:47.260 it's like

01:18:47.540 well I don't know

01:18:48.500 how it can be

01:18:49.140 to tell you the truth

01:18:50.040 but I know

01:18:50.780 that John Wheeler

01:18:51.500 has done a very good job

01:18:52.840 of detailing out

01:18:53.660 why that's true

01:18:54.640 and necessarily true

01:18:56.000 and so

01:18:56.840 Wheeler is also

01:18:57.640 the physicist

01:18:58.180 who developed

01:18:59.160 the notion

01:18:59.620 of it from bit

01:19:00.760 and he believes

01:19:01.720 that the world

01:19:03.460 is best construed

01:19:04.760 as a

01:19:05.060 the potential of the world

01:19:06.720 is best construed

01:19:07.580 as a place of information

01:19:08.880 it's something like

01:19:09.540 latent information

01:19:10.340 and that what consciousness

01:19:11.700 does is transform

01:19:12.860 the latent information

01:19:14.420 into something

01:19:15.320 like concrete reality

01:19:16.900 and he doesn't mean

01:19:17.760 that metaphorically

01:19:18.800 and one of the cases

01:19:19.960 that he makes

01:19:20.660 in that regard

01:19:21.360 is this story

01:19:21.980 that I just told you

01:19:22.800 is that the photon

01:19:23.480 couldn't have leapt

01:19:24.380 from where it was

01:19:25.240 unless it had a place

01:19:26.540 to go

01:19:27.140 now it's

01:19:28.540 complicated and confusing

01:19:30.420 because from the perspective

01:19:31.600 of a beam of light

01:19:32.940 from a photon

01:19:33.540 there is no time

01:19:34.420 and there's no distance

01:19:35.160 from one point to another

01:19:36.220 when of course

01:19:37.380 that's completely impossible

01:19:38.320 to understand too

01:19:39.100 but from the perspective

01:19:40.320 of a photon

01:19:40.960 the universe

01:19:41.700 is completely flat

01:19:42.800 perpendicular to the direction

01:19:44.320 that the photon

01:19:44.900 is traveling

01:19:45.520 so it's there and here

01:19:46.940 at the same time

01:19:47.840 for us it's not

01:19:49.220 it's like 20 million years ago

01:19:50.500 but for the photon

01:19:51.460 it's all here and now

01:19:52.780 so anyways

01:19:54.560 the reason I'm telling you

01:19:55.680 all that is because

01:19:56.460 the relationship

01:19:57.400 between consciousness

01:19:58.340 and reality

01:19:59.100 is by no means

01:19:59.960 straightforward

01:20:00.500 it is seriously

01:20:01.560 not straightforward

01:20:03.180 and physicists

01:20:04.420 debate

01:20:06.080 what the relationship

01:20:07.740 is between consciousness

01:20:08.780 and reality

01:20:09.420 and they debate

01:20:10.240 about what the sort

01:20:11.780 of phenomena

01:20:12.280 that I just described

01:20:13.180 mean

01:20:13.460 and I'm not really

01:20:14.200 qualified to enter

01:20:15.000 into that debate

01:20:15.720 because I'm not a physicist

01:20:16.720 but I do know

01:20:17.800 and I've read a fair bit

01:20:18.860 of Wheeler

01:20:19.200 about as much of it

01:20:20.060 as I can understand

01:20:20.820 and I do at least

01:20:22.060 know that that's

01:20:22.840 what he claimed

01:20:23.600 and I also know

01:20:24.780 that that claim

01:20:25.480 is not

01:20:26.300 that's a claim

01:20:27.620 that's taken seriously

01:20:28.520 among physicists

01:20:29.340 of the caliber

01:20:30.160 of the physicists

01:20:30.880 who can understand Wheeler

01:20:32.040 so

01:20:32.900 that's pretty interesting

01:20:34.320 so anyways

01:20:34.940 there is emphasis again

01:20:36.380 on this importance

01:20:37.080 of naming

01:20:37.640 in order to make things real

01:20:39.020 you know

01:20:39.600 and sometimes

01:20:40.980 people won't name things

01:20:42.160 just so they don't

01:20:43.160 become real

01:20:43.920 so you know

01:20:45.220 if you have a relationship

01:20:47.120 which undoubtedly you do

01:20:48.280 and it has problems

01:20:49.100 which undoubtedly it does

01:20:50.320 you bloody well know

01:20:51.480 that lots of times

01:20:52.280 there's something under the carpet

01:20:53.320 that no one wants to name

01:20:54.400 and everybody's thinking

01:20:55.480 well as long as we don't name it

01:20:56.660 it's not really there

01:20:57.560 and in some sense

01:20:58.600 it really isn't there

01:20:59.620 because you can act

01:21:01.280 as if it's not there

01:21:02.260 and get away with it

01:21:03.000 at least for short periods of time

01:21:04.280 but as soon as you name that thing

01:21:05.400 it's like

01:21:05.720 you give it form

01:21:06.660 and it's there

01:21:07.220 and no one can ignore it

01:21:08.420 and that's annoying

01:21:09.320 because then you have to deal with it

01:21:10.800 or face the consequences

01:21:12.540 but

01:21:12.800 the reason I'm telling you that

01:21:14.520 is because we have a

01:21:15.440 an intuition even

01:21:17.620 that

01:21:18.240 we can have things not exist

01:21:20.000 by not naming them

01:21:21.000 you name it

01:21:22.140 and it comes forward

01:21:23.100 with staggering clarity

01:21:24.480 and it's not as if

01:21:25.760 naming it is the only thing

01:21:27.060 that gives it reality

01:21:27.880 but it is something like it

01:21:28.940 it sharpens it

01:21:29.680 and brings it into focus

01:21:30.640 and gives it borders

01:21:31.520 and barriers

01:21:32.140 borders and boundaries

01:21:33.720 and so

01:21:34.660 anyways

01:21:35.700 God's interested enough

01:21:36.960 in what Adam has to say

01:21:38.240 that he has him name

01:21:39.340 all the animals

01:21:39.860 and that sort of

01:21:40.560 makes them into animals

01:21:41.860 now

01:21:42.100 there's more to the linguistic story

01:21:44.520 than that

01:21:44.940 so

01:21:45.180 social psychologist

01:21:46.600 Roger Brown

01:21:47.420 was one of them

01:21:48.020 studied this really interesting

01:21:49.580 phenomena

01:21:50.100 which is associated

01:21:51.560 with

01:21:51.940 relationship between

01:21:53.460 perception and action

01:21:54.440 you know how a

01:21:55.680 kid will call

01:21:56.400 a particular animal

01:21:57.500 a cat

01:21:58.100 well

01:21:58.880 the word cat

01:21:59.800 is very short

01:22:00.500 like the word dog

01:22:01.540 and it turns out

01:22:02.620 that you know

01:22:03.400 you could think

01:22:04.620 that we could perceive

01:22:06.000 cats as multicellular organisms

01:22:08.860 like we could see the cells

01:22:10.060 we could see the molecules

01:22:11.460 we could see the atoms

01:22:12.440 we could see

01:22:13.040 or we could see the ecosystem

01:22:14.740 that the cat is part of

01:22:16.040 but we don't

01:22:16.780 or maybe the

01:22:17.940 broader mammalian

01:22:19.560 classification

01:22:20.180 that it's part of

01:22:21.240 we could perceive that

01:22:22.440 as the unit of perception

01:22:23.780 but we don't

01:22:24.760 we perceive things

01:22:25.820 at the level of cat

01:22:26.940 and you can tell

01:22:28.700 the perceptual level

01:22:29.920 that people naturally

01:22:31.520 perceive at

01:22:32.260 which doesn't seem to be

01:22:33.420 socioculturally determined

01:22:34.600 to any great degree

01:22:35.460 by the way

01:22:36.220 because the words

01:22:37.040 are often short

01:22:38.000 and easily remembered

01:22:39.220 and early learned

01:22:40.280 and so

01:22:41.280 there's this level

01:22:42.340 of analysis

01:22:43.220 out of all the possible

01:22:44.980 levels of analysis

01:22:45.820 that the world does exist at

01:22:47.320 we perceive it

01:22:48.880 at a certain level

01:22:49.780 of analysis

01:22:50.300 and that level of analysis

01:22:51.540 seems to have something

01:22:52.420 to do with the world's

01:22:53.560 functional utility

01:22:54.600 for us at that level

01:22:56.080 and the perception

01:22:57.360 at that level

01:22:58.160 and the naming

01:22:58.700 at that level

01:22:59.360 gives things a reality

01:23:01.000 at that level

01:23:01.880 you know

01:23:02.640 because the thing

01:23:03.640 about things

01:23:04.540 is that they're not

01:23:05.320 easily separable

01:23:06.240 from other things

01:23:07.080 they tangle together

01:23:08.140 in all sorts of strange ways

01:23:09.540 and yet

01:23:11.020 when we cast our eye

01:23:12.680 and use our language

01:23:14.540 to orient ourselves

01:23:15.640 in the world

01:23:15.980 we cut things up

01:23:17.040 into discrete

01:23:18.420 discriminable objects

01:23:20.120 that we can then utilize

01:23:21.220 and there's something

01:23:21.900 about that

01:23:22.460 that makes them real

01:23:23.740 in a way

01:23:24.200 that their interconnected

01:23:25.240 potential

01:23:26.200 the interconnected potential

01:23:27.620 that they were before that

01:23:28.860 it's not real

01:23:30.720 in the same way

01:23:31.520 at least

01:23:31.880 I think it's even less real

01:23:33.340 I think that's a right way

01:23:34.240 of thinking about it

01:23:35.000 even though it's not

01:23:35.680 completely unreal

01:23:36.540 but it's an echo

01:23:38.640 Adam's a little god

01:23:40.220 at that point

01:23:40.960 a little god the father

01:23:42.040 and God's already done

01:23:43.260 the groundwork

01:23:43.880 but Adam has to come along

01:23:44.860 and say

01:23:45.200 well that's a cat

01:23:46.360 it's like poof

01:23:47.160 whatever that is

01:23:48.300 is now a cat

01:23:49.100 and that's a dog

01:23:49.900 and that's a sheep

01:23:50.760 and you know

01:23:51.540 it gives them

01:23:52.520 it gives them something

01:23:53.960 like pragmatic form

01:23:55.160 but for Adam

01:23:57.560 there was not found

01:23:58.220 a helpmeet for him

01:23:59.140 and the Lord God

01:24:01.860 caused a deep sleep

01:24:02.640 to fall upon Adam

01:24:03.480 and he slept

01:24:04.040 and God took one of his ribs

01:24:05.800 and closed up the flesh

01:24:06.920 instead thereof

01:24:07.760 and the rib

01:24:08.280 which the Lord God

01:24:09.100 had taken from man

01:24:09.960 made he a woman 0.97

01:24:10.840 and brought her unto the man

01:24:11.980 and Adam said

01:24:13.040 this is now bone of my bones

01:24:14.360 and flesh of my flesh

01:24:15.420 she shall be called woman

01:24:16.760 because she was taken out of man

01:24:18.200 therefore shall a man

01:24:20.240 leave his father

01:24:20.900 and his mother

01:24:21.440 and shall cleave unto his wife 0.99

01:24:22.700 and they shall be one flesh

01:24:23.940 that's a walloping statement

01:24:25.620 to put in there

01:24:26.240 at the end of those three sentences

01:24:27.580 I mean the therefore

01:24:28.780 comes as somewhat of a surprise

01:24:30.200 but there's an injunction there

01:24:31.660 well it's a good injunction man

01:24:33.500 I'll tell you

01:24:34.680 people who don't do that

01:24:36.000 they have a hell of a time

01:24:37.300 in their marriage

01:24:37.960 and so this is a good thing to know

01:24:39.600 if you are married

01:24:40.420 or if you're planning to get married

01:24:41.720 it's like

01:24:42.480 you know we have very strong orientation

01:24:46.720 towards our parents

01:24:47.780 and for good reason

01:24:48.740 it's like the injunction here is

01:24:51.200 that's secondary

01:24:53.180 as soon as you're married

01:24:54.060 and failure to do that

01:24:56.920 makes your marriage collapse

01:24:58.320 and then you deserve it

01:24:59.740 to collapse too

01:25:00.780 as far as I'm concerned

01:25:01.620 because it's a reflection 0.93

01:25:02.540 of your pathological immaturity 0.84

01:25:04.040 and your unwillingness

01:25:05.360 to extract yourself

01:25:06.400 from the you know

01:25:07.340 talent-like grip

01:25:08.380 of parents

01:25:08.980 who are a little bit too much

01:25:10.120 on the interfering side

01:25:11.160 but the injunction

01:25:12.220 there's a deep injunction here

01:25:13.840 it's very complicated

01:25:15.200 so one of the ideas is

01:25:16.960 that the original Adam

01:25:19.000 wasn't a man

01:25:20.600 like a separate man

01:25:22.820 it was more like

01:25:23.680 a hermaphroditic being

01:25:24.940 and in that hermaphroditic being

01:25:26.740 there was a kind of

01:25:27.640 undifferentiated perfection

01:25:29.140 and then that was split

01:25:30.560 into male and female

01:25:31.920 and then that part of the goal

01:25:33.920 of human beings

01:25:34.500 is to reunite that

01:25:35.780 as the singular unity

01:25:37.400 that re-establishes

01:25:38.900 the initial perfection

01:25:39.860 and that's actually

01:25:40.940 the goal of marriage

01:25:41.680 from a spiritual perspective

01:25:42.840 and you could read about that

01:25:44.180 if you read Jung

01:25:44.920 because he wrote quite a bit

01:25:45.920 about that

01:25:46.280 it's lovely

01:25:46.740 it's such a good idea

01:25:47.860 so I had these friends

01:25:49.820 that went to Sweden

01:25:51.000 to get married

01:25:51.940 they were from northern Alberta

01:25:53.660 but his heritage

01:25:54.900 they're both their heritages

01:25:55.860 were Swedish

01:25:56.420 and in this ceremony

01:25:59.420 they did this cool thing

01:26:00.880 as they were being married

01:26:02.380 and they had to hold

01:26:03.360 a candle up between them

01:26:04.560 right

01:26:05.400 while they were being married

01:26:06.320 and you think

01:26:06.800 well okay

01:26:07.600 what's the candle

01:26:08.300 well it's a source of light

01:26:10.320 it's a source of illumination

01:26:11.860 right

01:26:12.500 it's a source of enlightenment

01:26:13.620 it's the candle

01:26:14.820 that you put on Christmas trees

01:26:16.060 in Europe

01:26:16.820 so it's the light

01:26:18.000 that emerges in the darkness

01:26:19.020 in the depth of winter

01:26:19.940 it's a symbol of life

01:26:21.400 in darkness

01:26:22.380 it's the re-emergence

01:26:23.660 of the sun

01:26:24.240 at the darkest

01:26:26.020 coldest time of the year

01:26:27.440 which is also associated

01:26:28.540 symbolically

01:26:29.640 with the birth of Christ

01:26:31.100 for all sorts

01:26:31.940 of complicated reasons

01:26:32.940 and so the candle's all that

01:26:34.440 and then the next question is

01:26:35.960 why do you hold it above you

01:26:37.020 and the answer is

01:26:38.040 because what's above you

01:26:38.960 is what you're below to

01:26:40.620 so it simplifies

01:26:41.900 something transcendent

01:26:42.940 and so why do you both

01:26:44.000 hold on to it

01:26:44.760 well because you're both

01:26:45.740 supposed to hold on

01:26:46.500 to the light

01:26:47.020 right

01:26:48.260 and you're supposed

01:26:49.120 to be subordinate

01:26:50.020 to the light

01:26:50.840 and so you ask

01:26:52.100 well who's in charge

01:26:52.980 in a marriage

01:26:53.540 well the light

01:26:54.560 that's the idea

01:26:56.140 so you come together

01:26:57.040 as one thing

01:26:57.960 you're no longer

01:26:58.540 two things

01:26:59.200 it isn't what's good

01:27:00.320 for you

01:27:00.660 and it's not what's good

01:27:01.420 for your wife

01:27:02.000 it's what's good

01:27:02.900 for the marriage

01:27:03.900 and the marriage

01:27:04.440 is about the combined being

01:27:06.280 which is the reassembly

01:27:07.480 of the original

01:27:08.260 hermaphroditic

01:27:11.040 being at the beginning

01:27:12.920 of time

01:27:13.380 that's the idea

01:27:14.820 and that's all packed

01:27:16.020 into like these four sentences

01:27:17.640 and you know

01:27:18.740 there's been

01:27:19.220 well all of these sentences

01:27:21.200 have tremendous history

01:27:22.540 of interpretation

01:27:23.260 associated with them

01:27:24.200 right

01:27:24.340 it's just endless

01:27:25.140 and endless

01:27:25.860 and endless

01:27:26.320 and that's one of the lines

01:27:27.340 and so it's also

01:27:28.440 an antidote to the idea

01:27:30.400 that women 0.97

01:27:31.040 taken out of men

01:27:32.360 which is obviously

01:27:33.020 the reverse of the

01:27:33.860 biological process

01:27:34.820 by the way

01:27:35.360 makes women in some sense 0.93

01:27:37.200 subordinate to men

01:27:38.100 that is not built

01:27:38.960 into this text

01:27:39.700 I don't see that

01:27:40.380 at all

01:27:41.280 as built into the text

01:27:42.320 and there's something else

01:27:43.740 that's associated with it too

01:27:45.020 and there's an idea

01:27:45.740 that

01:27:46.100 you know

01:27:50.240 in Sleeping Beauty

01:27:51.900 you know

01:27:52.880 Sleeping Beauty

01:27:53.600 goes to sleep

01:27:54.300 and the reason

01:27:55.380 she goes to sleep

01:27:56.100 is because

01:27:56.540 you have to remember

01:27:57.740 what happens

01:27:58.280 is

01:27:58.460 she has parents

01:28:00.000 who are quite old

01:28:00.760 and so they're pretty desperate

01:28:01.940 to have a child

01:28:02.620 like so many people

01:28:04.060 are now

01:28:04.540 and they only have one child

01:28:05.840 like so many people

01:28:07.020 do now

01:28:07.480 and they don't want

01:28:09.120 anything to happen

01:28:09.560 to this child

01:28:10.140 because like

01:28:11.040 hey it's a miracle

01:28:11.820 and there's only one of them

01:28:13.700 and so

01:28:14.200 and she's the princess

01:28:15.680 and so it's like

01:28:16.680 we're not letting anything

01:28:18.020 around her

01:28:18.560 so they have a big

01:28:19.240 christening party

01:28:19.920 right

01:28:20.200 and they invite everybody

01:28:21.400 but they don't invite

01:28:23.100 Maleficent

01:28:24.200 and Maleficent

01:28:25.740 is the terrible mother

01:28:26.800 she's nature 0.76

01:28:27.540 she's like

01:28:28.600 the thing that goes

01:28:29.420 bump in the night

01:28:30.120 she's the devil herself 1.00

01:28:31.860 so to speak 0.99

01:28:32.740 she's everything

01:28:33.780 that you don't want

01:28:34.560 your child to encounter

01:28:35.400 so the king and queen

01:28:36.400 is saying

01:28:36.680 well we just

01:28:37.380 won't invite her

01:28:37.920 to the christening

01:28:38.580 it's like

01:28:38.920 good luck with that

01:28:39.980 that's an Oedipal story

01:28:41.720 right

01:28:42.000 the Oedipal mother 0.93

01:28:43.200 is the mother

01:28:43.740 who devours her child 0.93

01:28:44.700 by refusing

01:28:45.360 by over protecting

01:28:46.800 him or her

01:28:47.700 so that instead of

01:28:49.060 being strengthened

01:28:49.960 by an encounter

01:28:50.920 with the terrible world

01:28:52.020 they're weakened

01:28:53.340 by too much protection

01:28:54.720 and then when they're

01:28:55.340 let out into the world

01:28:56.120 they cannot live

01:28:57.180 and that's the story

01:28:59.020 of Sleeping Beauty

01:28:59.680 and that's what

01:29:00.240 the king and queen do

01:29:01.160 and they apologize

01:29:02.120 to the

01:29:02.700 to Maleficent

01:29:04.080 when she first shows up

01:29:05.240 and say

01:29:05.940 well you know

01:29:06.420 they have a bunch 0.77

01:29:06.940 of half-witted excuses

01:29:07.920 why they don't invite her

01:29:08.880 we forgot

01:29:09.680 it's like

01:29:10.060 I don't think so

01:29:11.040 you know

01:29:11.840 you don't forget

01:29:12.900 something like that

01:29:13.960 and she kind of

01:29:14.960 makes that point

01:29:15.840 it's right

01:29:16.520 the whole horror of life

01:29:17.880 you don't forget about that

01:29:19.320 when you have a child

01:29:20.020 that's for sure

01:29:20.620 you might wish

01:29:21.160 that it would stay at bay

01:29:22.240 but you do not forget about it

01:29:23.440 the question is

01:29:24.260 do you invite it

01:29:25.040 to the party

01:29:25.580 and the answer is

01:29:26.660 it bloody well depends

01:29:27.900 how unconscious 0.78

01:29:28.660 you want your child to be

01:29:29.920 and if you want

01:29:31.040 your child to be unconscious

01:29:32.120 well then you have

01:29:32.780 the added advantage

01:29:33.520 that maybe they won't

01:29:34.320 leave home

01:29:34.860 and so you can take

01:29:35.960 advantage of them

01:29:36.600 for the rest of your

01:29:37.320 sad life 0.98

01:29:38.040 instead of going off

01:29:38.880 to find something

01:29:39.420 to do for yourself

01:29:40.360 well and then of course

01:29:42.340 you can take revenge

01:29:43.160 on them

01:29:43.480 if they do have any

01:29:44.340 any what would you call

01:29:45.600 impetus towards courage

01:29:46.820 that you sacrificed

01:29:47.740 yourself 30 years ago

01:29:48.840 and want to stamp out

01:29:49.880 as soon as you see it

01:29:50.620 develop in your child

01:29:51.540 that's another thing

01:29:52.540 that would be quite pleasant

01:29:53.560 and so that's what happens

01:29:55.180 in Sleeping Beauty

01:29:56.000 yeah well

01:29:56.940 none of this is pleasant

01:29:58.380 and nothing that happens

01:29:59.240 in that story is pleasant

01:30:00.300 so Sleeping Beauty

01:30:01.440 she's naive as hell 0.98

01:30:02.380 they put her out in the forest 0.98

01:30:03.380 and have her raised 0.70

01:30:04.080 by these three

01:30:04.700 like goody two-shoes fairies 1.00

01:30:06.480 that are also

01:30:07.040 completely devoid

01:30:08.160 of any real potency

01:30:09.780 and power right

01:30:10.560 there's nothing maleficent

01:30:11.860 about them

01:30:12.420 and then the first 1.00

01:30:13.480 idiot prince that wanders by 1.00

01:30:14.980 she falls in love 1.00

01:30:15.800 with so badly

01:30:16.400 that she has

01:30:16.880 post-traumatic stress disorder

01:30:18.400 when he rides off

01:30:19.140 on his horse

01:30:19.820 right

01:30:20.700 that's what happens

01:30:21.920 and then she

01:30:23.140 then she goes into

01:30:24.220 the castle

01:30:24.720 and she's all freaked out

01:30:25.700 because she met

01:30:26.320 the love of her life

01:30:27.220 for like five minutes

01:30:28.380 for God's sake

01:30:29.120 and you know

01:30:30.020 that's when the spinning wheel

01:30:31.260 that's the wheel of fate

01:30:32.320 pops up

01:30:32.940 and she pricks her finger 1.00

01:30:33.880 right

01:30:34.720 they try to get rid of

01:30:35.740 all the spinning wheels

01:30:36.460 they try to get rid of

01:30:37.320 all the wheels of fate

01:30:38.200 with their pointed end

01:30:39.180 but she finds it

01:30:40.280 pricks her fingers 0.99

01:30:41.300 and finger falls down

01:30:42.720 unconscious

01:30:43.460 well she wants to be

01:30:44.520 unconscious 0.85

01:30:45.000 and no bloody wonder

01:30:46.280 she was protected

01:30:47.300 her whole life 0.99

01:30:48.080 she's so damn naive 0.97

01:30:49.300 that her first love affair 1.00

01:30:50.240 just about kills her 0.88

01:30:51.180 she wants to go to sleep

01:30:52.300 and never wake up

01:30:53.260 and so that's exactly

01:30:54.260 what happens

01:30:54.900 and then she has to wait

01:30:56.080 for the prince

01:30:56.600 to come and rescue her

01:30:57.720 well you think

01:30:58.460 how sexist can you get

01:30:59.680 that story

01:31:00.300 well seriously

01:31:01.480 because that's

01:31:02.220 that's the way

01:31:02.980 that that would be read

01:31:04.000 in the modern world

01:31:05.260 it's like she doesn't

01:31:06.060 need a prince

01:31:06.680 to rescue her

01:31:07.600 that's why Disney

01:31:08.440 made Frozen

01:31:09.140 that absolutely

01:31:09.880 appalling piece 1.00

01:31:10.780 of rubbish 1.00

01:31:11.300 so you know 1.00

01:31:19.800 you can say

01:31:20.500 you can say

01:31:21.140 well the princess

01:31:22.280 doesn't need a prince

01:31:23.180 to rescue her

01:31:23.840 but you know

01:31:24.560 that's a boneheaded

01:31:25.340 way of looking

01:31:26.160 at the story

01:31:26.720 because the prince

01:31:27.760 isn't just a man

01:31:28.940 who's coming to

01:31:29.620 rescue the woman 0.96

01:31:30.300 and believe me

01:31:30.860 he's got his own

01:31:31.520 problems right

01:31:32.020 he's got a whole 0.99

01:31:32.440 goddamn dragon 1.00

01:31:33.240 he has to contend with 1.00

01:31:34.240 but the prince

01:31:36.640 also represents

01:31:37.520 the woman's 0.98

01:31:38.420 own consciousness

01:31:39.220 the consciousness

01:31:40.120 is presented

01:31:41.280 very frequently

01:31:42.100 in stories

01:31:42.600 as symbolically

01:31:43.340 masculine

01:31:43.780 as it is

01:31:44.320 with the logos idea

01:31:45.300 and the idea

01:31:45.800 is that

01:31:46.160 without that

01:31:48.020 forward going

01:31:48.940 courageous

01:31:49.460 consciousness

01:31:50.320 a woman herself

01:31:51.680 will drift

01:31:52.200 into unconsciousness

01:31:53.180 and terror

01:31:53.740 and so you can

01:31:54.740 read it as

01:31:55.340 well the woman 1.00

01:31:56.320 who's sleeping

01:31:57.460 needs a man 0.96

01:31:58.100 to wake her up

01:31:58.720 and of course

01:31:59.180 just like a man 0.83

01:32:00.020 needs a woman 1.00

01:32:00.560 to wake him up

01:32:01.240 it's the same 0.98

01:32:01.740 damn thing 0.99

01:32:02.240 that's the dragon 1.00

01:32:02.940 fight in

01:32:03.360 Sleeping Beauty

01:32:03.940 but it's also

01:32:05.040 the case that

01:32:05.640 if she's only

01:32:06.920 unconscious

01:32:07.500 all she can do

01:32:08.320 is lay there

01:32:09.080 and sleep

01:32:09.660 like the sleep

01:32:10.660 of the naive 0.99

01:32:11.380 and damned 1.00

01:32:12.040 she has to 0.99

01:32:12.920 wake herself up

01:32:14.460 and bring her 0.92

01:32:15.960 own consciousness

01:32:16.860 her own masculine

01:32:17.760 consciousness

01:32:18.480 into the forefront

01:32:19.520 so that she can

01:32:20.260 survive in the world

01:32:21.140 and of course

01:32:21.820 women are trying 1.00

01:32:22.360 to do that 0.99

01:32:22.820 like mad

01:32:23.380 but that's partly

01:32:24.500 what's represented

01:32:25.260 in a story

01:32:25.760 like that

01:32:26.120 and that's partly

01:32:27.660 what's implicit

01:32:28.400 in this idea

01:32:29.200 is that unless

01:32:30.100 the woman is

01:32:30.800 taken out of man

01:32:32.080 so to speak

01:32:32.940 then she isn't

01:32:33.920 a human being

01:32:34.640 she's just a creature

01:32:35.640 and that's partly

01:32:37.940 what's embedded

01:32:38.520 in this story

01:32:39.260 so you don't want

01:32:40.300 to read it

01:32:40.740 as a patriarchal

01:32:41.840 you don't want

01:32:44.260 to read anything

01:32:44.900 that way

01:32:45.400 it's so

01:32:45.940 really it's

01:32:47.040 it really

01:32:47.520 it's yeah

01:32:48.020 I won't

01:32:48.460 I won't bother

01:32:49.280 with that

01:32:49.680 but really

01:32:50.300 we can do

01:32:50.720 better than that

01:32:51.380 man

01:32:51.680 therefore

01:32:52.380 shall a man

01:32:53.040 leave his father

01:32:53.660 and his mother

01:32:54.100 and shall cleave

01:32:54.700 unto his wife

01:32:55.320 and they shall

01:32:55.760 be one flesh

01:32:56.540 it's like

01:32:57.220 yeah

01:32:57.500 the other thing

01:32:58.960 about marriage

01:32:59.600 this is really

01:33:00.200 worth knowing

01:33:00.720 too

01:33:00.940 is that

01:33:01.300 I learned this

01:33:02.500 in part

01:33:02.820 from reading

01:33:03.300 Jung

01:33:03.600 it's like

01:33:03.940 what do you do

01:33:04.380 when you get

01:33:04.780 married

01:33:05.120 that's easy

01:33:06.040 you take

01:33:07.500 someone who's 1.00

01:33:07.960 just as useless 1.00

01:33:08.720 and horrible 1.00

01:33:09.220 as you are 1.00

01:33:09.840 and then you

01:33:11.180 shackle yourself

01:33:12.320 to them

01:33:12.800 and then you

01:33:14.360 say

01:33:14.680 we're not

01:33:16.120 running away

01:33:16.920 no matter

01:33:18.020 what happens

01:33:18.960 yeah

01:33:19.860 well that

01:33:20.380 that's perfect

01:33:21.040 because then

01:33:21.560 you don't get

01:33:21.940 to run away

01:33:22.500 and the thing

01:33:23.520 is

01:33:23.740 is like

01:33:24.060 if you can

01:33:25.300 run away

01:33:25.620 you can't

01:33:26.020 tell each other

01:33:26.460 the truth

01:33:26.980 because if you

01:33:28.080 tell someone

01:33:28.580 the truth

01:33:29.020 about you

01:33:29.500 and they

01:33:29.780 don't run

01:33:30.120 away

01:33:30.380 they weren't

01:33:31.000 listening

01:33:31.380 and so

01:33:32.440 if you don't

01:33:33.180 have someone

01:33:33.600 around that

01:33:34.040 can't run

01:33:34.400 away

01:33:34.580 then you can't

01:33:35.140 tell them

01:33:35.420 the truth

01:33:35.900 and so

01:33:36.700 that's part

01:33:37.140 of the purpose

01:33:37.540 of the marriage

01:33:38.120 it's like

01:33:38.520 okay okay

01:33:39.160 I'll bet on you

01:33:40.580 you bet on me

01:33:41.240 it's a losing bet

01:33:42.000 we both know that

01:33:42.800 but given our

01:33:44.040 current circumstances

01:33:44.980 we're unlikely

01:33:45.560 to find anyone

01:33:46.280 better

01:33:46.660 that's for sure

01:33:47.580 you know

01:33:48.280 there's two things

01:33:53.860 that come off of that

01:33:54.700 one is

01:33:55.180 you know

01:33:55.580 people are waiting

01:33:56.220 around to find

01:33:56.780 Mr. or Mrs. Wright

01:33:57.900 it's like

01:33:58.340 here's something

01:33:58.980 to think about

01:33:59.560 man

01:33:59.800 to put yourself

01:34:00.360 on your feet

01:34:00.900 right

01:34:01.140 if you went

01:34:01.760 to a party

01:34:02.200 and you found

01:34:02.680 Mr. Wright

01:34:03.300 and he looked at you

01:34:04.320 and didn't run away

01:34:05.020 screaming 0.51

01:34:05.900 that would indicate

01:34:06.380 that he wasn't

01:34:07.120 Mr. Wright

01:34:07.740 at all

01:34:08.340 right

01:34:08.960 it's like the

01:34:09.580 old

01:34:10.180 Nietzschean joke

01:34:11.280 if someone loves you

01:34:13.420 that should immediately

01:34:14.120 disenchant you with them

01:34:15.380 right

01:34:17.600 right

01:34:18.040 or it's the Woody Allen joke

01:34:19.040 I never belonged to a club

01:34:20.440 that would take me as a member

01:34:21.540 so that's an interesting

01:34:24.600 that's a very interesting

01:34:25.640 thing to think about

01:34:26.500 and so

01:34:26.880 you're going to

01:34:28.020 shackle yourself

01:34:29.360 to someone who's just

01:34:30.380 as imperfect

01:34:32.000 as you are

01:34:32.900 and then

01:34:33.680 the issue is

01:34:34.760 you

01:34:35.860 might be in a situation

01:34:38.180 where you can actually

01:34:38.940 negotiate

01:34:39.560 because you might think

01:34:41.120 well there's some things

01:34:42.280 about you

01:34:42.680 that aren't going so right

01:34:43.560 and there's some things

01:34:44.600 about me

01:34:44.960 that aren't going so right

01:34:45.860 and we're bloody well

01:34:47.040 stuck with the consequences

01:34:48.040 for the next 50 years

01:34:49.260 so we can either

01:34:50.600 straighten this out

01:34:52.060 or we can suffer

01:34:53.620 through it

01:34:54.000 for the next five decades

01:34:55.160 and you know

01:34:55.900 people are of the sort

01:34:57.060 that without

01:34:57.740 that degree of seriousness

01:34:58.900 those problems

01:34:59.740 will not be solved

01:35:01.060 you'll leave things unnamed

01:35:02.420 because there's always an out

01:35:03.720 it's like

01:35:04.040 and it's the same thing

01:35:05.080 when you're living together

01:35:05.840 with someone

01:35:06.280 you know that people

01:35:07.240 who live together

01:35:07.920 before they're married

01:35:08.760 are more likely to get divorced

01:35:09.820 not less likely

01:35:10.620 and the reason for that is

01:35:11.880 what exactly are you saying

01:35:13.260 to one another

01:35:13.720 when you live with each other

01:35:14.700 just think about it

01:35:16.400 well

01:35:17.180 for now

01:35:19.480 you're better than anything else

01:35:23.280 I can trick

01:35:23.940 but I'd like to reserve

01:35:27.160 the right to trade you in

01:35:28.640 conveniently

01:35:34.660 if someone better

01:35:35.840 happens to stumble into me

01:35:37.540 well how could

01:35:45.500 how could someone

01:35:46.420 not be insulted

01:35:47.260 to their core

01:35:47.860 by an offer like that

01:35:48.880 now they're willing

01:35:49.740 to play along with it

01:35:50.580 because they're going to

01:35:51.180 do the same thing with you

01:35:52.200 well that's exactly it

01:35:53.660 it's like yeah yeah

01:35:54.480 I know you're not going

01:35:55.380 to commit to me

01:35:55.940 so that means you don't

01:35:56.920 value me

01:35:57.580 or our relationship

01:35:58.520 above everything else

01:35:59.480 but as long as I get to escape

01:36:01.160 if I need to

01:36:01.800 then I'm willing

01:36:02.340 to put up with that

01:36:03.120 it's like

01:36:03.680 that's a hell of a thing

01:36:04.980 I mean you might think 1.00

01:36:05.700 how stupid is it 1.00

01:36:06.600 to shackle yourself 1.00

01:36:07.520 to someone 1.00

01:36:08.160 it's like it's stupid man 1.00

01:36:09.360 there's no doubt about that 1.00

01:36:10.380 but compared to the alternatives

01:36:11.920 it's pretty damn good

01:36:13.680 because without that shackling

01:36:15.740 there are things

01:36:16.500 you will never

01:36:17.460 ever learn

01:36:18.420 because you'll avoid them

01:36:19.660 you can always leave

01:36:21.080 and if you can leave

01:36:22.100 then you don't have to

01:36:22.780 tell each other the truth

01:36:23.620 it's as simple as that

01:36:24.860 because you can just leave

01:36:25.680 and then you don't have

01:36:26.600 anyone you can tell the truth to

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01:37:51.480 so there's some

01:37:54.940 representations

01:37:55.640 of the idea

01:37:56.620 of the original

01:37:57.580 it's not

01:37:58.120 this isn't all Adam

01:37:59.040 this is

01:37:59.440 this is an old

01:38:00.280 Chinese symbol

01:38:01.440 I think it's

01:38:02.020 Faxianua

01:38:03.440 although I think

01:38:04.280 I have the pronunciation

01:38:05.240 wrong

01:38:05.820 but it's really cool

01:38:06.640 see it's

01:38:07.200 see the snakes

01:38:08.040 down here

01:38:08.560 they're kind of like

01:38:10.120 a DNA symbol

01:38:11.160 which I find

01:38:11.800 very interesting

01:38:12.480 and so that's

01:38:14.180 the original

01:38:14.700 cosmic serpent

01:38:16.060 that's sort of

01:38:16.680 the potential

01:38:17.220 out of which

01:38:17.760 that emerges

01:38:18.280 and then that's

01:38:18.880 the differentiation

01:38:19.500 of that

01:38:20.100 into male

01:38:20.540 and female

01:38:21.040 and so that's

01:38:22.140 like the predatory

01:38:23.160 unknown

01:38:23.780 that's one way

01:38:24.880 of thinking about it

01:38:25.580 that's the most

01:38:26.160 fundamental conception

01:38:27.200 of mankind

01:38:27.780 is something like

01:38:28.640 that is the

01:38:29.140 predatory unknown

01:38:29.920 and then the

01:38:30.700 bifurcation of that

01:38:31.880 into the two

01:38:32.540 fundamental cognitive

01:38:33.540 elements of human

01:38:34.380 perception

01:38:34.840 masculine and female

01:38:35.940 and you see

01:38:36.820 the same thing

01:38:37.300 here

01:38:37.500 this is Chinese

01:38:38.420 this is Egyptian

01:38:39.180 also extraordinarily old

01:38:40.640 it's the

01:38:41.380 it's the great

01:38:42.100 serpent that underlies

01:38:43.220 everything

01:38:43.760 mafricating itself

01:38:47.000 into Isis

01:38:47.720 queen of the underworld 0.96

01:38:48.760 and Osiris

01:38:49.540 king of the

01:38:50.080 king of

01:38:50.660 king of

01:38:51.220 king

01:38:51.580 pharaoh

01:38:52.140 king of order

01:38:53.300 you see the same

01:38:54.220 thing in an old

01:38:54.700 alchemical symbol

01:38:55.540 I love this one

01:38:56.480 it looks quite a lot

01:38:57.740 like the little thing

01:38:58.380 that Harry Potter

01:38:58.980 chases around

01:38:59.740 yeah and that's not

01:39:01.160 accidental by the way

01:39:02.140 because the seeker

01:39:02.920 is the thing

01:39:03.480 that chases this

01:39:04.940 and the seeker

01:39:06.140 that chases this

01:39:06.860 and catches it

01:39:07.480 wins

01:39:07.820 and that's a really

01:39:09.040 old idea

01:39:09.520 and how the hell

01:39:10.120 J.K. Rowling

01:39:10.780 knew that

01:39:11.180 I cannot figure out

01:39:12.080 because that is

01:39:12.660 a very very

01:39:13.300 archaic symbol

01:39:14.160 arcane symbol

01:39:15.300 on Google

01:39:15.820 it's called

01:39:16.360 the round chaos

01:39:17.840 and the only

01:39:18.900 reference to

01:39:19.780 the round chaos

01:39:20.400 that I can find

01:39:21.020 on Google

01:39:21.360 is on my webpage

01:39:22.220 and so

01:39:23.340 I have no idea

01:39:25.420 how Rowling

01:39:26.420 came up with that

01:39:27.080 I mean I know

01:39:27.540 she looked at

01:39:28.020 a lot of old texts

01:39:28.860 but the idea

01:39:29.520 that if you play

01:39:30.720 the metagame

01:39:31.300 and you catch this

01:39:32.280 you win all the games

01:39:33.560 is exactly right

01:39:34.480 and that's the

01:39:35.340 motif for

01:39:36.100 what's the name

01:39:36.640 of that

01:39:36.920 Quidditch

01:39:37.600 yeah

01:39:38.380 so there's the

01:39:39.340 potential

01:39:39.900 that's like the

01:39:40.540 potential out of

01:39:41.280 which God

01:39:41.720 made the world

01:39:42.240 at the beginning

01:39:42.760 of time

01:39:43.200 and what emerges

01:39:44.160 out of that

01:39:44.640 is some kind

01:39:45.180 of

01:39:45.320 that's the dragon

01:39:46.160 you know

01:39:46.540 in the dragon fight

01:39:47.620 that's partly

01:39:48.180 the serpent

01:39:48.860 that's in the

01:39:49.360 garden of Eden

01:39:49.880 and then that's

01:39:50.720 the manifestation

01:39:51.360 of masculine

01:39:52.620 and feminine

01:39:53.160 out of that

01:39:53.820 potential

01:39:55.000 predatory unknown

01:39:56.740 masculine and feminine

01:39:58.120 it's like a single

01:39:59.400 it's like a single

01:40:00.640 representation of

01:40:01.620 the evolutionary history

01:40:02.720 of human

01:40:03.260 cognitive consciousness

01:40:04.560 so cool

01:40:05.720 and that's also

01:40:07.000 an image of the ideal

01:40:08.140 it's the union

01:40:08.740 of sun and moon

01:40:09.840 and it's this

01:40:10.420 hyper creature

01:40:11.760 hermaphroditic

01:40:12.660 that's also

01:40:13.600 the Adam and Eve

01:40:14.560 that existed

01:40:15.360 at the beginning

01:40:15.940 of time

01:40:16.340 before the fall

01:40:17.080 and it's the purpose

01:40:18.180 of marriage

01:40:18.780 all of that

01:40:20.000 as a sacrament

01:40:20.880 all of that

01:40:21.460 in these images

01:40:22.120 it's just absolutely

01:40:23.380 unbelievable

01:40:24.040 what images

01:40:24.900 can pack into them

01:40:25.860 and there's some

01:40:28.540 more classical

01:40:29.060 representations

01:40:29.760 of Eve

01:40:30.780 being extracted

01:40:31.500 from Adam

01:40:32.040 and this is a cool

01:40:37.200 line

01:40:37.480 and they were both

01:40:38.040 naked

01:40:38.340 the man and his

01:40:38.960 wife

01:40:39.200 and were not

01:40:39.640 ashamed

01:40:40.120 well that

01:40:41.940 see someone

01:40:42.720 who wrote that

01:40:43.780 would only write

01:40:44.540 that like that

01:40:45.240 if they were surprised

01:40:46.060 that they weren't ashamed

01:40:46.920 because why would you

01:40:47.640 point it out otherwise

01:40:48.460 and so there's this

01:40:49.540 intimation that

01:40:50.540 of two things

01:40:51.740 number one is

01:40:52.460 there was a point

01:40:53.320 at time

01:40:53.800 in time

01:40:54.620 when human beings

01:40:55.540 were naked

01:40:55.940 and they weren't

01:40:56.680 ashamed of it

01:40:57.300 and there is a point

01:40:58.160 of time

01:40:58.560 which is now

01:40:59.340 where they're naked

01:41:00.400 and they are

01:41:01.020 ashamed of it

01:41:01.700 and then the question

01:41:02.720 is well what's

01:41:03.440 the association

01:41:03.960 with nakedness

01:41:04.940 and shame

01:41:05.500 and that's often

01:41:07.120 given a sexual

01:41:08.340 connotation

01:41:09.120 in classic

01:41:10.620 interpretations

01:41:11.300 of the Adam

01:41:11.900 and Eve story

01:41:12.560 because of its

01:41:13.800 association

01:41:14.260 with nudity

01:41:15.200 I presume

01:41:15.620 but I think

01:41:16.480 it's a lot

01:41:16.820 more complicated

01:41:17.400 than that

01:41:17.940 so

01:41:19.260 you think

01:41:20.440 I noticed

01:41:21.880 my daughter

01:41:22.780 she probably 0.99

01:41:24.180 won't be very happy

01:41:24.880 that I'm revealing

01:41:25.480 this in this lecture

01:41:26.400 but

01:41:26.600 my daughter

01:41:27.720 was never really

01:41:28.480 concerned about

01:41:29.100 nudity

01:41:29.500 when she was

01:41:29.920 a little kid

01:41:30.400 it was all the same

01:41:31.660 to her

01:41:31.940 one way or another

01:41:32.560 but my son

01:41:33.920 by the time

01:41:34.720 he was three

01:41:35.420 man

01:41:35.760 that kid

01:41:36.240 was private

01:41:36.820 his bedroom door

01:41:38.920 was shut

01:41:39.300 the bathroom door

01:41:39.940 was shut

01:41:40.300 it was like

01:41:40.640 get the hell

01:41:41.060 out of here

01:41:41.500 and that seemed

01:41:42.280 to just happen

01:41:42.900 of its own accord

01:41:43.680 and you know

01:41:44.380 we had two children

01:41:45.160 and one was like that

01:41:46.200 and the other one

01:41:46.600 wasn't

01:41:46.960 I didn't think

01:41:47.480 we had much

01:41:47.920 to do with it

01:41:48.340 at all

01:41:48.540 but it was really

01:41:49.060 fascinating to watch

01:41:50.220 that emerge in him

01:41:51.220 and you know

01:41:52.100 that sense of

01:41:53.220 self-consciousness

01:41:54.900 does seem to

01:41:55.520 emerge in children

01:41:56.160 somewhere around

01:41:56.740 the age of three

01:41:57.460 and you know

01:41:58.120 that's generally

01:41:58.720 also when we

01:41:59.340 start thinking

01:41:59.880 that maybe

01:42:00.280 having your baby

01:42:01.000 wander around

01:42:01.540 naked on a beach

01:42:02.300 isn't exactly

01:42:02.940 the best idea

01:42:03.740 there's something

01:42:05.160 like that

01:42:05.660 the nudity in children

01:42:07.020 is generally okay

01:42:08.000 under some circumstances

01:42:09.200 in public display

01:42:10.160 we seem to think

01:42:11.100 of that as

01:42:11.560 merely

01:42:12.240 it's acceptable

01:42:13.520 why?

01:42:15.240 I don't know

01:42:15.760 why it stops

01:42:17.080 being acceptable

01:42:17.800 well that has

01:42:18.500 something to do

01:42:18.980 with sexuality

01:42:19.620 obviously

01:42:20.300 but it's a very

01:42:21.200 complicated phenomena

01:42:22.200 but you know

01:42:23.100 the whole nudity thing

01:42:24.220 is a very complicated

01:42:25.840 thing

01:42:26.340 I mean first of all

01:42:27.480 people are kind of

01:42:28.260 strange because

01:42:28.700 we're hairless

01:42:29.440 roughly you know

01:42:31.480 compared to most animals

01:42:32.720 and we don't know

01:42:34.640 why that is

01:42:35.200 some people think

01:42:35.900 it's because we

01:42:36.520 lost our hair

01:42:37.080 when we were

01:42:37.460 wandering around

01:42:38.020 in the desert

01:42:38.940 running around

01:42:39.600 in Africa

01:42:40.060 because we're

01:42:40.640 really really good

01:42:41.300 runners

01:42:41.580 we can run down

01:42:42.560 animals

01:42:42.960 like a human being

01:42:44.920 in good shape

01:42:45.420 can run a horse

01:42:45.980 to death in a week

01:42:46.660 we can really run

01:42:48.260 man

01:42:48.520 and a lot of our

01:42:49.600 ancestors

01:42:50.160 the Kelleheri

01:42:50.780 Bushmen 0.85

01:42:51.100 still do this

01:42:51.940 they just run

01:42:52.820 an animal

01:42:53.260 for like

01:42:54.120 until it dies 0.80

01:42:55.460 and the Bushmen 0.98

01:42:56.640 doesn't die

01:42:57.220 I mean they also

01:42:58.060 sometimes shoot them 0.95

01:42:59.060 with poison arrows 0.99

01:42:59.720 but they can just 0.99

01:43:00.260 run them until they die

01:43:01.080 so we have

01:43:01.760 tremendous endurance

01:43:02.640 and you have to

01:43:04.140 be able to get rid

01:43:04.740 of a lot of heat

01:43:05.320 if you're going to

01:43:05.760 run around in the desert

01:43:06.520 so we don't have

01:43:07.620 much hair

01:43:08.080 that's one explanation

01:43:09.040 and Buckminster Fuller

01:43:10.300 had an interesting

01:43:10.920 explanation

01:43:11.480 which was he thinks

01:43:12.460 that at some point

01:43:13.360 during our evolution

01:43:14.160 we spend a lot of time

01:43:15.340 near the water

01:43:15.920 and so we're like

01:43:16.480 fish apes

01:43:17.220 something like that

01:43:18.400 well you know

01:43:19.020 we like to be on the beach

01:43:20.000 and there's lots of food there

01:43:21.120 and we like to swim

01:43:21.840 and we're really good

01:43:22.460 at swimming

01:43:22.820 for terrestrial creatures

01:43:23.920 and we cry salt tears

01:43:26.700 like some sea-going creatures do

01:43:28.520 and women have a layer 1.00

01:43:29.500 of subcutaneous fat

01:43:30.580 like some sea-going creatures do

01:43:32.320 and we have kind of

01:43:33.340 our feet

01:43:33.960 which are very odd things

01:43:35.300 are kind of good

01:43:36.120 for flapping in the water

01:43:37.840 although we can also

01:43:38.720 walk with them

01:43:39.340 and so he thought

01:43:40.760 that maybe that adaptation

01:43:41.900 was to a water existence

01:43:44.940 like seals

01:43:45.600 and so forth

01:43:46.280 like we kind of went back

01:43:47.200 to the ocean

01:43:47.640 but not quite

01:43:48.320 and so

01:43:49.240 but anyways

01:43:50.540 the evolution of that

01:43:51.460 hairlessness is an interesting thing

01:43:53.020 but it certainly does

01:43:54.140 make us exposed

01:43:55.300 to the world

01:43:56.140 in a way that animals

01:43:57.100 that have a covering of fur

01:43:58.200 aren't

01:43:58.680 and then we're upright

01:43:59.980 which is very strange

01:44:01.520 because most animals aren't

01:44:02.640 they're on all fours

01:44:03.820 and so their very

01:44:04.620 vulnerable parts

01:44:06.060 are protected

01:44:06.680 and not exposed to view

01:44:09.100 and then of course

01:44:09.840 when you're standing up nude

01:44:11.200 your

01:44:11.480 let's call it

01:44:14.560 your psychophysiological quality

01:44:16.460 is on painful display

01:44:18.080 right

01:44:19.080 and people complain

01:44:20.380 about that all the time

01:44:21.340 you know

01:44:21.600 if you look at the feminist tack 1.00

01:44:23.340 for example

01:44:23.940 on beauty

01:44:24.480 the idea that women 0.86

01:44:25.460 have eating disorders

01:44:26.340 is directly

01:44:27.560 attributed to

01:44:29.320 the presence of

01:44:30.200 too many beautiful women 1.00

01:44:31.480 on the cover of magazines

01:44:32.540 something like that

01:44:33.780 even though

01:44:34.600 women buy those magazines 1.00

01:44:36.180 and they're attracted to them

01:44:37.200 and their mood goes up

01:44:38.040 when they purchase them

01:44:38.860 and if the

01:44:39.960 if the stimulus

01:44:41.240 was negative

01:44:42.560 the women would avoid 1.00

01:44:43.340 the magazines

01:44:43.800 and not buy them

01:44:44.540 so as a theory

01:44:45.340 it's a very very bad one

01:44:46.780 but

01:44:47.440 it's still the case that

01:44:48.980 you know

01:44:49.600 it's still the case that

01:44:50.620 standards of beauty

01:44:51.760 shame people

01:44:52.480 and that's for sure

01:44:53.280 and everyone

01:44:53.780 because 0.98

01:44:54.160 if you're not ugly now man 0.99

01:44:55.800 you're going to be 0.98

01:44:56.620 at some point in your life

01:44:57.560 so that's kind of a rough thing

01:45:01.360 to contend with

01:45:02.160 right

01:45:02.380 it's a rough thing

01:45:03.440 to know

01:45:04.360 that there's an ideal

01:45:05.920 that you could be

01:45:06.640 and maybe even once were

01:45:07.660 that you're not going to be

01:45:08.600 for long

01:45:09.040 or never were

01:45:10.680 and it's really

01:45:11.700 an appalling issue

01:45:13.280 because I think it's harder

01:45:14.640 on women

01:45:15.080 because women are judged 1.00

01:45:16.180 by men more

01:45:17.300 for their

01:45:17.760 for their youth

01:45:19.820 and fertility

01:45:20.680 that's how it turns out

01:45:21.900 from the evolutionary point of view

01:45:23.580 men are judged more

01:45:24.800 on their socio-economic status

01:45:26.320 by women

01:45:26.800 it's harsh both ways

01:45:27.940 but

01:45:28.140 so anyways

01:45:29.340 it's you know

01:45:29.900 it's a terrible thing

01:45:30.820 to

01:45:31.160 to carry

01:45:32.400 the knowledge with you

01:45:34.140 that

01:45:35.040 you're exposed

01:45:36.280 to the most serious

01:45:37.480 possible evaluation

01:45:38.640 of the quality of your being

01:45:39.880 that you can possibly

01:45:40.860 be exposed to

01:45:41.920 all the time

01:45:42.840 and that that's

01:45:43.780 further amplified

01:45:44.640 if you're

01:45:45.300 without clothing

01:45:46.180 and so part of clothing

01:45:47.400 is protection

01:45:48.040 but a tremendous amount of it

01:45:49.300 is merely

01:45:49.860 stopping other people

01:45:51.020 from

01:45:51.380 evaluating you too harshly

01:45:53.580 all the time

01:45:54.280 it just gets in the way

01:45:55.400 so

01:45:56.160 anyways

01:45:58.700 this story

01:45:59.420 this

01:45:59.720 this

01:46:00.720 story

01:46:02.160 makes the case

01:46:03.260 that at some point

01:46:04.020 we weren't like that

01:46:05.320 well animals aren't like that

01:46:06.540 so it seems

01:46:07.080 perfectly plausible

01:46:08.100 that at some point

01:46:08.860 we weren't like that

01:46:09.880 but at some point

01:46:10.700 that changed

01:46:11.340 and they were both naked

01:46:13.080 the man and his wife

01:46:13.920 were not ashamed

01:46:14.880 now the serpent

01:46:17.840 was more subtle

01:46:18.620 than any beast

01:46:19.280 of the field

01:46:19.760 which the lord god

01:46:20.580 had made

01:46:21.040 and he said

01:46:22.260 unto the woman

01:46:22.840 yea

01:46:23.160 hath god said

01:46:24.260 ye shall not eat

01:46:25.040 of every tree

01:46:25.620 of the garden

01:46:26.120 I like this

01:46:27.200 this is

01:46:27.940 um

01:46:28.320 oh

01:46:29.680 I can't remember

01:46:30.340 who did the etching

01:46:31.040 now

01:46:31.240 who is it

01:46:31.860 Doré

01:46:32.820 yeah

01:46:33.180 Doré

01:46:33.700 exactly

01:46:34.180 he

01:46:34.440 Doré did etchings

01:46:35.940 for paradise lost

01:46:36.820 that are absolutely

01:46:37.460 remarkable

01:46:37.960 this is Satan 0.96

01:46:39.200 and this is the snake 0.96

01:46:40.280 here

01:46:40.560 and of course

01:46:41.300 in the Genesis story

01:46:42.940 Satan is weirdly

01:46:43.800 associated with the snake

01:46:44.980 and I'll tell you

01:46:45.820 that's a

01:46:46.260 that's a

01:46:47.120 that's a tough one

01:46:47.940 to sort out

01:46:48.540 because

01:46:49.300 in the story

01:46:50.840 of Adam and Eve

01:46:51.400 there's no indication

01:46:52.120 whatsoever

01:46:52.660 that the serpent

01:46:53.740 who tempts Eve

01:46:55.560 is also Satan

01:46:56.600 the author of all evil

01:46:58.360 and how in the world

01:46:59.460 those two stories

01:47:00.220 got tangled together

01:47:01.100 well

01:47:01.820 I think I figured that out

01:47:03.320 and I'm going to tell you

01:47:04.660 that tonight

01:47:05.100 but it took a very long time

01:47:06.400 to figure it out

01:47:06.960 and it's absolutely

01:47:07.960 it's so bloody brilliant

01:47:09.340 I just can't believe

01:47:10.400 that people figured it out

01:47:11.360 it's so

01:47:11.820 it's so unbelievably

01:47:13.120 spectacularly brilliant

01:47:15.120 and that's a

01:47:16.360 that's a

01:47:16.880 an intimation of that idea

01:47:18.300 right

01:47:18.520 that there's a kinship

01:47:19.360 between these two things

01:47:20.440 so

01:47:21.180 anyways

01:47:21.920 the serpent's more subtle

01:47:23.080 than any beast of the field

01:47:24.300 subtle's an interesting word

01:47:25.740 this is from the Oxford English Dictionary

01:47:27.780 so

01:47:28.320 because we'll

01:47:28.780 amplify the word a bit

01:47:30.380 this is

01:47:30.760 what you do in

01:47:31.600 Jungian dream interpretation

01:47:32.820 for example

01:47:33.400 is to kind of look at

01:47:34.160 the connotations

01:47:35.100 of the concepts

01:47:35.860 that are

01:47:36.200 associated with the dream

01:47:37.600 subtle

01:47:38.540 of a person or animal

01:47:39.760 in action

01:47:40.280 behavior

01:47:40.880 crafty

01:47:41.880 cunning

01:47:42.240 sly 0.68

01:47:42.760 treacherous

01:47:43.360 so it's something

01:47:43.800 that sort of sneaks along

01:47:44.960 right

01:47:45.160 it's not something

01:47:46.100 that you really pick up

01:47:46.980 on that easily

01:47:47.680 of a look or glance

01:47:49.840 sly

01:47:50.400 furtive

01:47:50.820 surreptitious

01:47:51.540 of a person

01:47:52.440 skillful

01:47:53.460 expert

01:47:54.160 clever

01:47:54.620 of a work of art

01:47:56.040 mechanical device

01:47:57.000 cleverly made

01:47:57.760 or designed

01:47:58.340 ingenious

01:47:58.940 well that's

01:47:59.880 I think that's all

01:48:00.620 fairly

01:48:01.060 all those terms

01:48:03.100 so far

01:48:03.520 are fairly well

01:48:04.300 attributed to snakes

01:48:05.400 I mean they are

01:48:06.000 very cool things

01:48:06.900 and they are

01:48:07.960 very well designed

01:48:08.840 and they're quite remarkable

01:48:09.820 and they're also

01:48:10.580 very subtle

01:48:11.200 on the nature of

01:48:13.620 or involving

01:48:14.200 careful discrimination

01:48:15.200 of fine points

01:48:16.460 or fine points

01:48:17.740 difficult to understand

01:48:19.040 and abstruse

01:48:19.900 of a person

01:48:22.840 the mind

01:48:23.440 or intellectual activity

01:48:28.620 intellectual activity

01:48:30.060 characterized by wisdom

01:48:31.140 or perceptiveness

01:48:31.920 discriminating

01:48:32.600 discerning

01:48:33.060 and shrewd

01:48:33.440 that's interesting

01:48:34.260 because Milton's

01:48:35.660 Satan

01:48:35.980 is also

01:48:37.060 the intellect

01:48:38.040 and you know

01:48:39.620 you see that very often

01:48:40.760 you know it's so often

01:48:41.620 the bad guy's an evil scientist

01:48:43.080 right

01:48:43.480 and there's something about

01:48:44.600 and you see the same thing

01:48:45.920 in the Lion King

01:48:46.560 with Scar

01:48:47.160 I mean Scar's an intellect 0.83

01:48:48.820 an arrogant 0.78

01:48:49.500 deceitful intellect 1.00

01:48:50.460 there's nothing stupid 1.00

01:48:51.900 about Scar 0.99

01:48:52.540 he's not wise

01:48:53.620 but he's the evil voice

01:48:55.780 that's always whispering

01:48:56.640 in the king's ear

01:48:57.440 and that's associated

01:48:58.480 with the pride

01:48:59.280 of the intellect

01:49:00.020 and the Catholics 0.66

01:49:01.140 had warned humanity

01:49:03.100 about the pride

01:49:03.780 of the intellect

01:49:04.360 for centuries

01:49:05.540 that's partly what

01:49:06.780 produced somewhat

01:49:07.620 of the schism

01:49:08.260 between Catholicism

01:49:09.280 and science

01:49:09.760 although that's much

01:49:10.540 overstated

01:49:11.120 if you look at

01:49:11.640 the historical record

01:49:12.520 the idea was

01:49:14.140 that the intellect

01:49:14.920 has its own particular

01:49:16.280 it's a remarkable

01:49:17.440 faculty

01:49:18.820 let's say

01:49:19.400 it's the highest angel

01:49:20.320 in God's heavenly kingdom

01:49:21.420 that's the way that

01:49:22.160 Milton portrayed it

01:49:23.380 but it's also the thing

01:49:24.700 that can go most terribly wrong

01:49:26.120 because intellect

01:49:27.060 the intellect

01:49:28.460 can become arrogant

01:49:29.860 about its own existence

01:49:31.220 and accomplishments

01:49:32.080 and it can fall in love

01:49:33.440 with its own products

01:49:34.380 and that's what happens

01:49:35.340 when you're ideologically possessed

01:49:36.720 because you end up

01:49:37.820 with a dogma

01:49:38.600 like say

01:49:39.500 a human constructed dogma

01:49:40.940 in Solzhenitsyn's words

01:49:42.060 that possesses you completely

01:49:43.420 of which you believe

01:49:44.920 is 100% right

01:49:46.940 right

01:49:47.420 so it eradicates

01:49:48.220 the necessity

01:49:48.760 for anything transcendent

01:49:50.140 and so that's

01:49:51.100 the subtil element

01:49:52.260 of the intellect

01:49:53.580 that's associated

01:49:54.460 symbolically

01:49:55.180 with the snake

01:49:55.860 in the garden of paradise

01:49:56.960 of a feeling

01:49:58.940 sense

01:49:59.360 sensation

01:50:00.000 acute and keen

01:50:00.980 involving distinctions

01:50:01.900 that are fine or delicate

01:50:02.940 especially to such an extent

01:50:04.560 as to be difficult

01:50:05.300 to discern or analyze

01:50:06.460 also almost imperceptible

01:50:08.360 and elusive

01:50:08.880 having little thickness

01:50:10.600 or breadth

01:50:11.220 thin

01:50:11.960 fine

01:50:12.500 subtil matter

01:50:13.840 now historical

01:50:15.020 rarefied matter

01:50:16.480 barely there at all

01:50:17.600 and the woman 0.95

01:50:19.160 said unto the serpent

01:50:20.060 we may eat of the fruit

01:50:21.680 of the trees of the garden

01:50:22.700 but of the fruit of the tree

01:50:24.040 which is in the midst

01:50:24.760 of the garden

01:50:25.280 God has said

01:50:26.480 ye shall not eat of it

01:50:27.780 neither shall you touch it

01:50:29.300 lest ye die

01:50:30.180 and the serpent

01:50:31.220 said to the woman

01:50:31.920 ye shall not surely die

01:50:34.140 for God doth know

01:50:35.540 in the day

01:50:35.980 that you eat thereof

01:50:36.880 then your eyes

01:50:37.640 shall be opened

01:50:38.200 and you shall be as gods

01:50:39.620 knowing good and evil

01:50:40.520 sneaky

01:50:41.980 subtle

01:50:42.780 it's a nice story

01:50:43.960 eh

01:50:44.180 the first thing is

01:50:45.360 for instance

01:50:46.360 the instant implication is

01:50:48.400 well you can't trust God

01:50:50.480 so that's pretty sneaky

01:50:52.080 and the next is

01:50:52.780 well he's trying to

01:50:53.680 he's trying to pull

01:50:54.560 a fast one on you 0.85

01:50:55.540 and the next one is

01:50:56.720 well he's trying to do that

01:50:57.540 because he's jealous

01:50:58.300 and he doesn't want you

01:50:59.780 to know things that he knows

01:51:00.840 because that wouldn't be so good

01:51:02.080 and he's lying to you anyways

01:51:03.920 because you're not going to die

01:51:05.220 and

01:51:05.900 if you eat it

01:51:07.560 contrary to

01:51:08.320 what you've been informed

01:51:09.280 then all that's going to happen is

01:51:10.960 your eyes will be open

01:51:12.080 and you'll be like gods

01:51:13.000 knowing good and evil

01:51:13.740 that sounds pretty damn good

01:51:15.160 so you know

01:51:16.560 and I mean Eve

01:51:17.680 what does she know

01:51:18.740 you know

01:51:19.340 it's no wonder she's

01:51:20.760 susceptible to such blandishments

01:51:22.880 and it's quite interesting too

01:51:24.180 because Adam and Eve

01:51:25.020 God tells Adam and Eve 0.99

01:51:26.220 not to eat the damn fruit 0.99

01:51:27.460 but they never promise 0.99

01:51:28.500 not to

01:51:29.200 right

01:51:30.060 so

01:51:30.340 they haven't promised

01:51:31.800 they've just been told to

01:51:32.920 and well

01:51:33.280 should they be obedient

01:51:34.180 well how obedient

01:51:35.300 do you want your children to be

01:51:36.540 you want them to be obedient enough

01:51:38.260 so they don't get hurt

01:51:39.180 but disobedient enough

01:51:40.300 so that they go out in the world

01:51:41.280 and do something

01:51:42.000 courageous

01:51:42.680 and they break some rules

01:51:43.780 and they learn some things

01:51:44.720 and so you know

01:51:45.640 it's a very paradoxical story

01:51:48.160 anyways

01:51:49.040 the serpent wins this round

01:51:50.800 man

01:51:51.180 and so

01:51:52.300 Eve pays attention to the snake 0.96

01:51:54.120 so again

01:51:59.400 we have the same set of images

01:52:00.940 right

01:52:01.220 we have Adam

01:52:02.720 and we have Eve

01:52:03.540 we have this tree

01:52:04.860 and we have this strange serpent

01:52:06.480 that's a dragon-like form

01:52:07.920 they're a sphinx-like form

01:52:09.320 that's associated with the tree

01:52:10.940 the snake's eternally associated with the tree

01:52:13.560 well the snake was eternally associated with the tree

01:52:16.120 we spent

01:52:16.660 God only knows

01:52:17.640 how many tens of millions of years

01:52:19.140 as tree dwelling primates

01:52:21.580 and the primary

01:52:23.340 or one of our primary predators

01:52:25.000 we had three primary predators

01:52:26.380 snakes

01:52:27.880 birds

01:52:29.380 cats

01:52:30.640 and so the snake

01:52:32.540 and so the snake has been associated with the tree

01:52:33.860 for a very very long time

01:52:35.040 and the lesson the snake tells people is

01:52:37.340 you bloody well better wake up

01:52:39.060 or something you don't like will get you

01:52:40.940 and who's going to be most susceptible

01:52:43.420 to paying attention to the snake

01:52:45.180 and that's going to be Eve

01:52:46.600 and the reason for that is

01:52:47.980 Eve has offspring

01:52:50.080 and there's nothing tastier to a snake

01:52:53.080 than a child

01:52:53.920 and so Eve had every reason to be 0.99

01:52:56.200 self-conscious and neurotic

01:52:57.800 and women are more self-conscious and neurotic than men 1.00

01:53:00.280 by quite a substantial amount

01:53:01.640 and that's true cross-culturally

01:53:03.340 and it emerges at puberty

01:53:04.860 and part of the reason is

01:53:06.620 as far as we can tell

01:53:07.600 is that women are more sexually vulnerable 0.99

01:53:09.540 they're also smaller

01:53:10.860 so that's a problem

01:53:12.740 if you're engaged in any physical alteration

01:53:14.500 but most importantly

01:53:15.940 I think

01:53:16.740 is that

01:53:17.760 why would you ever assume

01:53:19.800 that a human female's nervous system

01:53:21.800 is adapted to her

01:53:22.880 or her well-being

01:53:24.620 why wouldn't you assume instead

01:53:26.240 that her nervous system

01:53:27.540 is adapted to the

01:53:28.660 female infant dyad

01:53:30.520 because if it isn't

01:53:32.000 then the infants die

01:53:33.100 and so you might think

01:53:34.600 well women are way more susceptible 1.00

01:53:35.880 to depression and anxiety

01:53:37.380 than men are 0.95

01:53:38.040 and that's a hell of a burden to bear

01:53:39.660 and that's also true cross-culturally

01:53:41.340 by the way

01:53:41.780 and it also kicks in at puberty

01:53:43.160 and the biggest differences

01:53:44.620 are in Scandinavia

01:53:45.600 for those of you

01:53:46.340 who think it's sociocultural

01:53:47.500 which it isn't

01:53:48.560 so

01:53:49.960 but there's reasons for it

01:53:51.600 you know

01:53:51.820 and it's also at puberty

01:53:52.860 when men and women

01:53:54.160 start to become sexually dimorphic

01:53:55.760 in terms of size 0.52

01:53:56.480 and men are way more powerful

01:53:58.440 in their upper bodies

01:53:59.280 it's incomparably more powerful

01:54:01.220 and so that makes them

01:54:02.260 a lot more dangerous

01:54:02.980 and human

01:54:03.780 the human

01:54:04.380 primary human defense mechanism

01:54:06.240 is punching

01:54:06.840 like with kangaroos

01:54:08.320 because kangaroos 0.79

01:54:09.580 there's some other animals

01:54:10.320 that punch 0.96

01:54:10.720 chimps can punch too 0.61

01:54:11.600 but human beings

01:54:12.300 it's a punch

01:54:12.880 and most of the force

01:54:14.040 in that is upper body

01:54:15.020 and shoulder

01:54:15.500 and so a woman's no match 1.00

01:54:16.980 for a man in a fight

01:54:17.840 so she has every reason

01:54:18.900 to be nervous

01:54:19.480 especially when you add to that

01:54:21.100 her additional sexual vulnerability

01:54:22.740 and the fact that she has to take care 0.99

01:54:24.540 of extraordinarily dependent infants

01:54:26.140 who are extremely fragile

01:54:27.340 for a very long period of time

01:54:29.180 and so she had every

01:54:30.380 and women are more self-conscious than men 0.89

01:54:32.800 the empirical literature on that is clear

01:54:34.680 it's associated with trait neuroticism

01:54:36.600 because self-consciousness

01:54:37.600 is actually an unpleasant emotion

01:54:39.140 who wants to be self-conscious?

01:54:41.180 if I'm self-conscious on the stage

01:54:42.900 talking to you

01:54:43.560 then all of a sudden

01:54:44.060 I can't even talk to you

01:54:45.140 all I'm doing is thinking about me

01:54:46.880 and all the things that are wrong with me

01:54:48.200 and I fall inside myself

01:54:49.380 it's like self-consciousness

01:54:51.020 although it's a great gift

01:54:52.520 let's say

01:54:52.960 it's nothing pleasant

01:54:53.800 it's associated primarily with anxiety

01:54:55.940 so we've had every reason

01:55:00.320 to pay attention to the snake

01:55:01.500 that's for sure

01:55:02.160 I think I read this week

01:55:03.920 that among

01:55:04.920 I can't remember which tribesmen

01:55:06.560 it was unfortunately

01:55:07.660 although I did put a footnote

01:55:08.800 in my new book about this

01:55:09.980 these were jungle dwelling 0.99

01:55:14.360 tribal people

01:55:15.860 5% of the adults

01:55:17.740 had been attacked by a python

01:55:18.920 and a substantial number of children

01:55:20.920 had been killed by them

01:55:21.860 so snake predation

01:55:23.060 was no joke

01:55:24.780 it shaped our evolutionary past

01:55:26.800 and still is no joke

01:55:28.360 in many places

01:55:29.100 and so we're attuned to snakes

01:55:30.800 and the thing is

01:55:32.040 as Lynn Esbell pointed out

01:55:33.580 an anthropologist

01:55:34.560 we are really good at detecting

01:55:36.640 the camouflage patterns of snakes

01:55:38.400 especially in the lower half

01:55:39.480 of our visual field

01:55:41.240 and there's evidence

01:55:43.160 that part of the reason

01:55:43.960 that human beings

01:55:44.740 have such acute vision

01:55:45.800 which means that our eyes opened

01:55:48.000 let's say

01:55:48.440 is because we were

01:55:49.820 we co-evolved with snakes

01:55:51.440 and we learned how to see them

01:55:52.500 and then

01:55:53.640 the price we paid for seeing

01:55:55.140 was that our brain grew

01:55:56.140 because you need a lot of brain

01:55:57.320 to be able to see

01:55:58.080 and the consequence

01:55:59.160 of our brain growing

01:56:00.020 is one day we woke up

01:56:01.040 and discovered the future

01:56:02.020 and the future is where

01:56:03.300 all the snakes might live

01:56:04.620 instead of where they live right now

01:56:06.380 so there's that

01:56:10.540 the same thing

01:56:12.460 and the same so interesting

01:56:13.720 again these images

01:56:14.560 you see

01:56:15.000 in this one

01:56:16.140 you have the specter of death

01:56:18.300 in the tree

01:56:19.040 with the snake

01:56:19.700 and the fruit

01:56:20.140 now fruit

01:56:20.660 is interesting too

01:56:21.780 I already made the case

01:56:22.920 that there's a tight linkage

01:56:24.580 between what you eat

01:56:25.480 and information

01:56:26.140 right

01:56:26.580 a conceptual link

01:56:27.500 as well as a practical link

01:56:28.500 but it's also the case

01:56:29.640 that we can see colors

01:56:30.720 and the question is

01:56:32.360 why

01:56:32.680 and the answer is

01:56:33.540 because we evolved

01:56:34.280 to see ripe fruit

01:56:35.080 so in the story

01:56:36.760 of Adam and Eve

01:56:37.520 human beings

01:56:38.280 are given vision

01:56:39.020 by the snake

01:56:39.820 and the fruit

01:56:40.300 and that turns out

01:56:41.280 to be correct

01:56:42.580 so isn't that something

01:56:44.460 and then you think

01:56:45.240 what role do women play 1.00

01:56:46.320 in relationship to men

01:56:47.320 well first

01:56:48.020 they make them self-conscious

01:56:49.140 let's not ever forget about that

01:56:50.960 because I would say

01:56:52.080 the primary role

01:56:53.420 that women have 1.00

01:56:54.180 in relationship to men

01:56:55.120 is to make them self-conscious

01:56:56.200 and men don't precisely like that

01:56:58.220 there's nothing

01:56:59.140 that will make a man

01:57:00.280 more self-conscious

01:57:01.060 than being rejected

01:57:02.000 and why

01:57:03.260 because why is he rejected

01:57:04.480 well obviously

01:57:05.640 mother nature

01:57:06.880 in the guise of that

01:57:08.300 particular woman

01:57:09.060 has said

01:57:09.860 you're not so bad

01:57:11.160 for a friend

01:57:11.700 but there's no reason

01:57:12.540 that your genetic material

01:57:13.620 should propagate itself

01:57:14.600 into the future

01:57:15.340 right

01:57:21.580 well and it's not like

01:57:22.480 men are exactly happy

01:57:23.480 about being made

01:57:24.120 self-conscious

01:57:25.060 by women

01:57:25.600 right

01:57:26.320 it's a major source

01:57:27.440 of continual tension

01:57:28.540 between men and women 0.90

01:57:29.380 and it's no wonder

01:57:30.100 but it's also the case

01:57:31.560 and this is something

01:57:32.200 really cool

01:57:32.800 and interesting to know

01:57:33.760 you know

01:57:34.640 we divulged

01:57:36.880 divulged

01:57:38.740 whatever

01:57:40.120 that's it

01:57:40.940 diverged

01:57:41.560 we diverged

01:57:42.960 from the common ancestor

01:57:44.300 between us and chimpanzees

01:57:45.600 about six million years ago

01:57:46.780 here's why

01:57:47.660 at least in part

01:57:48.460 chimpanzee females

01:57:49.860 are non-discriminate

01:57:51.060 maters

01:57:51.460 they'll mate with any male 1.00

01:57:52.720 when they go into heat

01:57:54.880 which human females don't 1.00

01:57:56.920 when they go into heat

01:57:58.920 then any male

01:58:00.480 is allowed access

01:58:01.820 now the dominant males

01:58:03.400 chase the subordinate males away

01:58:04.780 and so the dominant males

01:58:06.020 are more likely

01:58:06.580 to leave offspring

01:58:07.240 but it's not because

01:58:08.040 of the female choice

01:58:08.940 it's not the case

01:58:09.820 with human beings

01:58:10.500 human females 1.00

01:58:11.600 engage in hypergamy

01:58:12.900 and hypergamy is the

01:58:14.340 and this is also

01:58:14.960 true cross-culturally

01:58:15.880 and it's also quite

01:58:17.460 it's just as extensive

01:58:19.560 in Scandinavia

01:58:20.320 not quite

01:58:20.920 there's a bit of attenuation

01:58:21.900 but not much

01:58:22.620 women mate across 1.00

01:58:23.940 and up dominance hierarchies

01:58:25.340 men mate across

01:58:26.460 and down

01:58:27.080 okay

01:58:28.120 and that has to be the case

01:58:29.200 because obviously

01:58:30.480 it has to work

01:58:31.700 that way

01:58:32.080 if one goes up

01:58:32.900 the other has to go down

01:58:33.980 the socio-economic status

01:58:35.720 of a woman

01:58:36.240 is

01:58:36.480 almost

01:58:37.960 determines

01:58:38.660 almost zero

01:58:39.800 of her attractiveness

01:58:41.060 towards a man

01:58:41.820 whereas the socio-economic status

01:58:43.620 of a man

01:58:44.160 is a major determinant

01:58:45.380 of his attractiveness

01:58:46.340 towards a woman

01:58:47.000 and it isn't his wealth either

01:58:48.380 because that's been tested

01:58:49.360 it's his

01:58:49.820 capacity to generate

01:58:51.700 and be productive

01:58:53.080 and to share

01:58:54.100 because that beats

01:58:55.020 the hell out of wealth

01:58:55.880 wealth can disappear

01:58:56.840 right

01:58:57.180 but the capacity

01:58:58.340 to be productive

01:58:59.060 and share

01:58:59.580 that's a much more

01:59:01.300 important element

01:59:02.700 and why not be chosen

01:59:03.920 on the basis of that

01:59:04.760 especially because women 0.99

01:59:05.600 have to have infants

01:59:06.400 and infants

01:59:07.240 make the woman dependent 1.00

01:59:08.820 and the woman is just 1.00

01:59:09.980 looking logically

01:59:10.820 rationally

01:59:11.840 and from an evolutionary

01:59:12.880 perspective

01:59:13.460 for someone who's useful

01:59:14.780 enough to lend a hand

01:59:16.340 so women make intense demands 1.00

01:59:19.400 on men

01:59:19.820 and it's no wonder

01:59:20.560 but the thing is

01:59:21.940 is that because women 1.00

01:59:22.900 engaged in hypergamy

01:59:24.440 at least in part

01:59:25.200 we diverged quite rapidly

01:59:26.700 from chimpanzees

01:59:27.680 because the selection

01:59:28.860 pressure

01:59:29.440 that women placed on men 0.98

01:59:30.980 developed the entire species

01:59:32.540 now there's two things

01:59:33.620 that happened

01:59:34.060 as far as I could tell

01:59:34.960 the men competed

01:59:36.120 for competence

01:59:36.960 let's say

01:59:37.500 so the male hierarchy

01:59:39.260 is a mechanism

01:59:40.280 that pushes the best men

01:59:42.040 to the top

01:59:42.620 virtually by definition

01:59:43.580 and then that's

01:59:45.220 the effect of that

01:59:46.820 is multiplied by the fact

01:59:47.860 that women who are 0.99

01:59:48.600 hypergamous 0.74

01:59:49.140 peel from the top

01:59:50.020 and so that the males

01:59:51.540 who are the most competent

01:59:52.660 are much more likely

01:59:53.420 to leave offspring

01:59:55.100 and that seemed to be

01:59:56.160 what drove our

01:59:56.940 cortical expansion

01:59:57.800 for example

01:59:58.340 which happened very very rapidly

01:59:59.580 over the course

02:00:00.180 of evolutionary time

02:00:01.180 so

02:00:02.320 and when the woman 0.96

02:00:05.480 saw that the tree

02:00:06.200 was good for food

02:00:06.960 and that it was pleasant

02:00:07.680 to the eyes

02:00:08.280 and a tree

02:00:08.860 to be desired

02:00:10.240 to make one wise

02:00:11.700 she took of the fruit

02:00:14.080 thereof

02:00:14.420 and did eat

02:00:14.860 and gave also

02:00:15.680 unto her husband

02:00:16.360 with her

02:00:16.780 and he did eat

02:00:17.480 oh yes

02:00:18.100 and women share food 1.00

02:00:19.020 that's a very strange thing

02:00:21.280 because most creatures

02:00:22.500 don't do that

02:00:23.120 right

02:00:23.320 most animals

02:00:23.900 don't share food

02:00:24.660 like if you

02:00:25.220 if you're a wolf

02:00:25.880 and you bring down

02:00:26.460 something in a hunt

02:00:27.380 you eat your fill

02:00:28.280 the dominant creatures

02:00:30.260 eat their fill

02:00:30.840 and then if there's

02:00:31.380 some left over

02:00:31.920 the subordinates

02:00:32.500 get to eat too

02:00:33.080 but that isn't how

02:00:33.660 human beings work

02:00:34.420 we share food

02:00:35.860 now you can imagine

02:00:36.840 how that evolved

02:00:37.600 because lots of

02:00:39.040 female creatures

02:00:39.920 share food

02:00:40.480 with their offspring

02:00:41.080 okay you don't need

02:00:42.640 much of a twist

02:00:43.380 in that

02:00:43.700 from an evolutionary

02:00:44.360 perspective

02:00:44.900 till you start

02:00:45.780 to share food

02:00:46.580 not only with your

02:00:47.360 offspring say

02:00:48.300 but with your mate

02:00:49.160 and that's another way

02:00:50.240 that you entice a mate

02:00:51.420 it's like

02:00:52.200 we're gonna be better

02:00:53.040 together than alone

02:00:54.000 well that's the offering

02:00:55.180 of the fruit

02:00:55.780 well what's the

02:00:56.580 self-conscious part

02:00:57.500 well here's part

02:00:58.920 of the bargain

02:00:59.420 you know

02:01:00.000 I'm gonna wake you up

02:01:01.440 and partly I'm gonna

02:01:02.700 wake you up

02:01:03.140 because you need

02:01:03.540 to be woken up

02:01:04.180 because I have this infant 0.99

02:01:05.480 that needs some damn care 1.00

02:01:06.740 and so you bloody well 0.99

02:01:07.800 better be awake

02:01:08.520 and part of the bargain

02:01:09.480 is I'll offer you

02:01:11.060 something

02:01:11.460 I'll offer you

02:01:12.000 some food

02:01:12.480 and in response

02:01:13.420 we're gonna make a team

02:01:14.700 and that's the deal

02:01:15.920 well that's the human deal

02:01:17.580 and that's why we're

02:01:18.460 more or less monogamous

02:01:20.280 by why we more or less

02:01:22.000 pair bond

02:01:22.620 and why something

02:01:23.860 approximating marriage

02:01:24.920 is a human universal

02:01:25.980 it's cross-cultural

02:01:27.660 now you can find

02:01:28.400 exceptions

02:01:28.860 but who the hell cares

02:01:29.900 the vast

02:01:30.780 really man

02:01:31.880 who cares

02:01:32.560 the vast

02:01:33.620 you look at the vast

02:01:34.880 pattern

02:01:35.600 the vast pattern

02:01:37.040 well and the price

02:01:37.660 we pay for having

02:01:38.440 large brains

02:01:39.040 is that we're very

02:01:39.660 dependent

02:01:40.060 and it takes a long

02:01:40.920 time for us

02:01:41.460 to get programmed

02:01:42.100 and because of that

02:01:42.880 we need relatively

02:01:44.100 stable family bonding

02:01:45.360 and that's basically

02:01:46.560 what we've evolved

02:01:47.420 and you know

02:01:48.440 you don't get that

02:01:49.120 without making men

02:01:49.900 self-conscious

02:01:50.520 because male creatures

02:01:51.860 why not impregnate 0.98

02:01:53.380 and run 0.98

02:01:53.820 I mean why the hell not

02:01:55.400 and that's something

02:01:56.200 to really

02:01:56.780 no kidding

02:01:57.340 like that's the thing

02:01:58.340 to think about

02:01:58.880 it is not why men

02:02:00.480 abandon their children

02:02:01.340 that's the mystery

02:02:02.140 it's why any men 0.98

02:02:03.540 ever stick with them

02:02:05.520 that's the mystery

02:02:06.780 because you just have to

02:02:07.980 look at the animal kingdom

02:02:08.880 and like the simplest

02:02:11.060 and easiest thing

02:02:12.160 is always the most

02:02:13.060 likely thing to occur

02:02:14.240 so it's the exception

02:02:16.700 the long-term commitment

02:02:17.780 that needs explanation

02:02:18.820 she took of the fruit

02:02:21.160 thereof and did eat

02:02:21.920 and gave also unto

02:02:22.840 her husband with her

02:02:23.580 and he did eat

02:02:24.240 and the eyes of both

02:02:26.120 of them were opened

02:02:26.820 implying that before

02:02:28.080 that they were closed

02:02:29.080 and they knew

02:02:30.240 they were naked

02:02:30.840 and they sewed

02:02:31.860 fig leaves together

02:02:32.560 and made themselves aprons

02:02:33.700 so that's so interesting

02:02:34.920 so their eyes are open

02:02:35.860 which indicates

02:02:36.820 that they weren't

02:02:37.360 to begin with

02:02:37.920 so whatever God

02:02:38.680 created to begin with

02:02:39.540 was kind of blind

02:02:40.400 but not blind

02:02:42.280 in some strange way

02:02:43.140 because they weren't

02:02:43.620 obviously wandering around

02:02:44.620 in the garden

02:02:45.000 bumping into trees

02:02:46.040 it was some sort of

02:02:47.360 metaphysical blindness

02:02:48.460 that's been removed

02:02:49.460 by whatever has just happened

02:02:51.220 and whatever has just happened

02:02:52.540 also made them realize

02:02:53.540 that they were naked

02:02:54.220 okay so what sort of

02:02:55.640 eye-opening is that

02:02:56.740 what does it mean

02:02:57.740 to realize that you're naked

02:02:59.160 it means to realize

02:03:01.140 that you're vulnerable

02:03:01.960 that's what people

02:03:03.560 discovered

02:03:04.060 it's like

02:03:04.500 uh-oh

02:03:05.460 we can be hurt 0.93

02:03:06.580 so you're a zebra

02:03:08.360 in a herd of zebras

02:03:09.740 and there's a bunch of lions

02:03:11.000 around there

02:03:11.680 laying on the grass

02:03:12.540 you don't care

02:03:13.420 those are

02:03:14.820 laying down lions

02:03:16.300 laying down lions

02:03:17.460 are no problem

02:03:18.180 it's standing up

02:03:19.320 hunting lions

02:03:19.880 that are the problem

02:03:20.580 you're not smart enough

02:03:21.500 to figure out 0.98

02:03:22.000 that laying down lions

02:03:23.080 turn into standing up

02:03:24.400 hunting lions

02:03:25.160 so you're not like

02:03:26.040 building a fort

02:03:27.380 to keep the lions out

02:03:28.640 you're just mindlessly

02:03:29.820 eating grass

02:03:30.760 you're not very awake

02:03:32.040 but that's not what

02:03:33.060 happens to human beings

02:03:34.100 is they wake up

02:03:34.820 and they think

02:03:35.240 we're vulnerable

02:03:36.180 permanently

02:03:37.000 it's never going away

02:03:38.920 right

02:03:39.780 it's the recognition

02:03:41.620 of that

02:03:42.420 internal vulnerability

02:03:43.980 what happens

02:03:45.100 the first thing

02:03:45.640 they do is clothe themselves

02:03:46.720 well what happens

02:03:47.920 when you're naked

02:03:49.060 when you need protection

02:03:49.960 from the world

02:03:50.580 well obviously

02:03:51.140 look you're all wearing clothes

02:03:52.900 you know

02:03:53.580 why

02:03:54.320 well

02:03:55.400 we've been doing that

02:03:56.760 for a very very long

02:03:57.660 period of time

02:03:58.320 it's tens of thousands

02:03:59.220 of years

02:03:59.660 at minimum

02:04:00.220 in fact you can track

02:04:01.880 more or less

02:04:02.440 when clothing developed

02:04:03.880 because you can do

02:04:04.800 DNA testing

02:04:05.540 of the kind of lice

02:04:06.360 that cling to clothes 0.78

02:04:07.300 rather than hair

02:04:08.080 and so we have

02:04:08.640 a pretty good idea

02:04:09.720 of when clothing

02:04:10.500 emerged

02:04:11.420 and of different types

02:04:12.560 as well

02:04:13.000 so that's quite cool

02:04:14.000 but the point is

02:04:14.740 they're naked

02:04:15.620 and they think

02:04:16.100 that's not so good

02:04:17.340 we're vulnerable

02:04:18.360 so their eyes were open enough

02:04:19.600 so they become self-conscious

02:04:20.860 and they recognize

02:04:21.940 their own vulnerability

02:04:22.740 and the first thing they do

02:04:23.620 is the first step

02:04:24.620 of culture

02:04:25.160 is to protect themselves

02:04:26.340 with something

02:04:26.880 from the world

02:04:27.780 and you protect yourself

02:04:29.080 from the world

02:04:29.620 and from the prying eyes

02:04:30.620 of other people

02:04:31.240 this is the book

02:04:33.540 by Lynn Isbell

02:04:34.280 why we see so well

02:04:35.480 from the temptation of Eve

02:04:37.440 to the venomous murder

02:04:38.320 of the mighty Thor

02:04:39.140 the serpent appears

02:04:40.040 throughout time and culture

02:04:41.080 as a figure of mischief

02:04:42.080 and misery

02:04:42.640 the worldwide prominence

02:04:44.700 of snakes

02:04:45.140 in religion

02:04:45.640 myth and folklore

02:04:46.540 underscores our deep connection

02:04:48.000 to the serpent

02:04:48.640 but why

02:04:49.440 when so few of us

02:04:50.600 have first-hand experience

02:04:51.820 the surprising answer

02:04:54.040 this book suggests

02:04:54.940 lies in the singular

02:04:55.860 effect of snakes

02:04:57.560 on primate evolution

02:04:58.720 predation pressure

02:04:59.940 from snakes

02:05:00.560 Lynn Isbell tells us

02:05:01.640 is ultimately responsible

02:05:02.820 for the superior vision

02:05:04.060 and large brains

02:05:05.160 of primates

02:05:06.200 and for a critical aspect

02:05:07.720 of human evolution

02:05:08.540 that was tested recently

02:05:10.020 psychologists have known

02:05:11.700 for a long time

02:05:12.360 that people can learn

02:05:13.580 fear to snakes

02:05:14.280 but they discovered

02:05:15.320 in primates recently

02:05:16.440 a set of neurons

02:05:17.300 pulver neurons

02:05:18.220 which are specialized

02:05:20.640 that's in old

02:05:22.080 perceptual systems

02:05:23.740 reveal neurobiological evidence

02:05:25.540 of past selection

02:05:26.720 for rapid detections

02:05:28.240 of snakes

02:05:28.780 so that's from 2013

02:05:30.180 so the snake

02:05:31.460 definitely

02:05:32.100 woke us up

02:05:33.400 color vision

02:05:35.940 as an adaptation

02:05:36.780 to fruit eating

02:05:37.620 in primates

02:05:38.340 it's not by accident

02:05:40.020 that women 0.97

02:05:40.540 make themselves 0.69

02:05:41.200 look like ripe fruit

02:05:42.220 in order to be

02:05:42.820 attractive to men 0.82

02:05:43.680 right

02:05:45.000 and that's also

02:05:46.280 not sociocultural

02:05:47.660 in origin

02:05:48.180 so

02:05:49.200 and they heard

02:05:51.640 the voice of the Lord God

02:05:52.640 walking in the garden

02:05:53.500 in the cool of the day

02:05:54.440 and Adam and his wife

02:05:55.660 hid themselves

02:05:56.260 from the presence

02:05:56.920 of the Lord God

02:05:57.640 amongst the trees

02:05:58.320 of the garden

02:05:58.800 that's interesting

02:05:59.980 so what's the implication

02:06:02.220 prior to

02:06:03.400 being woken up

02:06:04.700 prior to recognizing

02:06:06.000 nakedness

02:06:06.960 and vulnerability

02:06:07.500 there was no reason

02:06:09.360 for God

02:06:09.840 for man and woman

02:06:10.700 to hide from God

02:06:11.560 now where are they

02:06:12.220 hiding from God

02:06:13.020 while they're naked

02:06:14.080 they're vulnerable

02:06:15.640 okay so

02:06:16.320 think about this

02:06:17.300 think about this

02:06:18.160 it's like

02:06:18.560 imagine that you have

02:06:21.080 the capacity to live

02:06:22.260 truthfully

02:06:23.060 and courageously

02:06:24.020 and forthrightly

02:06:25.240 just imagine that

02:06:26.120 and then imagine

02:06:26.660 why you might not

02:06:28.100 do that

02:06:28.640 and then imagine

02:06:29.920 well how about

02:06:30.640 fear and shame

02:06:31.500 how would that work

02:06:32.620 well let's say

02:06:34.800 that the idea

02:06:35.480 of living forthrightly

02:06:37.180 and truthfully

02:06:38.060 and courageously

02:06:38.680 is analogous

02:06:39.880 given what we already

02:06:40.720 know about these stories

02:06:41.680 to walking with God

02:06:42.760 in the garden

02:06:43.300 well what stops people

02:06:44.480 from doing that

02:06:45.000 what stops people

02:06:45.720 from hiding

02:06:46.280 well it's their own

02:06:47.860 it's a recognition

02:06:48.620 of their own inadequacy

02:06:49.700 they look at themselves

02:06:50.440 and they think

02:06:50.900 how in the world

02:06:52.520 is a creature

02:06:53.220 such as I

02:06:54.360 supposed to live

02:06:55.920 properly

02:06:56.700 in this world

02:06:57.700 with everything

02:06:58.380 that's wrong with me

02:06:59.660 and so what do you

02:07:00.820 hide from

02:07:01.380 well you go home

02:07:02.780 you sit on your bed

02:07:03.560 for five minutes

02:07:04.240 and ask yourself

02:07:04.980 what have you hidden

02:07:05.720 from in your life

02:07:06.500 man you'll have

02:07:07.920 books of knowledge

02:07:09.020 reveal themselves

02:07:10.060 to you in your imagination

02:07:11.140 right

02:07:11.700 say well why

02:07:12.620 are you hiding

02:07:13.380 well it's no bloody

02:07:14.380 wonder you're hiding

02:07:15.160 it's no wonder

02:07:16.520 that people hide

02:07:17.340 that's the thing

02:07:18.140 that's so terrifying

02:07:18.860 about this story

02:07:19.740 we woke up

02:07:20.820 and we thought

02:07:21.260 oh my god

02:07:21.940 look at this place

02:07:22.740 like this is seriously

02:07:23.820 there's some serious

02:07:25.000 trouble here

02:07:25.540 and we're in some

02:07:26.060 serious trouble

02:07:26.660 and we're not

02:07:27.220 what we could be

02:07:28.020 and so we hide

02:07:29.720 and that's what

02:07:30.580 the story says

02:07:31.280 people woke up

02:07:32.100 they became self-conscious

02:07:33.200 they recognized

02:07:34.220 their own vulnerability

02:07:34.940 and that made them

02:07:36.100 hide from manifesting

02:07:38.460 their divine destiny

02:07:39.800 it's like yeah

02:07:40.640 that's exactly right

02:07:41.660 and the lord god

02:07:42.580 I love this part

02:07:43.400 of the story

02:07:43.800 and it's so funny

02:07:45.040 and the lord god

02:07:46.140 and we could use

02:07:47.160 a little humor

02:07:47.640 at this point

02:07:48.260 and the lord god

02:07:50.060 called unto adam

02:07:50.840 and said unto him

02:07:51.620 where art thou

02:07:52.620 and adam said

02:07:54.560 I heard thy voice

02:07:56.500 in the garden

02:07:57.000 and I was afraid

02:07:58.980 because I was naked

02:08:00.640 so in case there was

02:08:01.800 any doubt about that

02:08:02.620 that's why

02:08:03.220 and I hid myself

02:08:04.820 and god said

02:08:12.940 who told you

02:08:13.980 that you were naked

02:08:15.140 did you eat

02:08:17.000 of the tree

02:08:17.680 where have I commanded you

02:08:18.880 that you should not eat

02:08:20.200 and this is where adam

02:08:22.000 shows himself

02:08:23.000 in all his post fall

02:08:24.580 heroic glory

02:08:26.020 and the man said

02:08:29.860 the woman 0.98

02:08:30.500 whom thou gavest

02:08:40.260 to be

02:08:40.720 with me

02:08:41.580 she gave me

02:08:43.460 of the tree

02:08:43.920 and I did eat

02:08:44.580 so that's such

02:08:45.520 man that's such

02:08:46.840 that

02:08:47.160 it's so

02:08:48.120 you know

02:08:48.640 again

02:08:49.680 there's a modern

02:08:50.760 feminist interpretation

02:08:52.020 of the story

02:08:53.380 of adam and eve

02:08:54.080 that makes the claim

02:08:55.360 that eve

02:08:55.960 was portrayed

02:08:56.840 as the universal

02:08:57.740 bad guy

02:08:58.820 of humanity

02:08:59.480 for disobeying god

02:09:01.120 and eating

02:09:01.520 the apple

02:09:02.440 it's like

02:09:03.260 fair enough

02:09:04.400 you know

02:09:04.840 looks like she slipped up

02:09:06.560 and then

02:09:07.380 she tempted her husband 0.88

02:09:08.620 and you know

02:09:09.460 that makes her even worse 1.00

02:09:11.320 although he's 1.00

02:09:12.080 was foolish enough 1.00

02:09:13.700 to immediately eat 1.00

02:09:14.940 so it just means

02:09:15.680 she was a little more

02:09:16.300 courageous than him

02:09:17.120 than got there first

02:09:18.120 but it's adam

02:09:19.460 who comes across

02:09:20.240 as really one sad

02:09:21.280 creature in this story

02:09:22.260 as far as I'm concerned

02:09:23.040 look at what he manages

02:09:24.160 in one sentence

02:09:25.000 it's like

02:09:25.760 first of all

02:09:26.960 it wasn't him

02:09:27.440 it was the woman 0.68

02:09:28.240 and second

02:09:29.160 he even blames god

02:09:30.340 it's like

02:09:31.260 it wasn't just the woman

02:09:32.540 it was that woman 0.98

02:09:33.720 and you gave her to me

02:09:35.260 and she gave me

02:09:38.760 of the tree

02:09:39.140 and I did eat

02:09:39.720 it's like

02:09:40.080 so hey

02:09:40.540 adam's all innocent

02:09:41.380 except now

02:09:41.980 not only is he

02:09:43.400 naked

02:09:44.620 and disobedient 1.00

02:09:46.940 and cowardly 1.00

02:09:48.600 and ashamed 0.99

02:09:50.140 he's also

02:09:51.400 snivelly

02:09:52.460 backbiting

02:09:53.420 think

02:09:54.680 he rats her out 0.99

02:09:56.320 like the second

02:09:57.020 he gets

02:09:57.500 the opportunity

02:09:58.180 and then he blames god

02:09:59.740 it's like

02:10:00.420 and that's exactly right

02:10:01.380 that's exactly right man

02:10:02.680 you go online

02:10:03.660 and you read

02:10:04.420 you read the commentary

02:10:05.860 that men write about women

02:10:07.120 when they're resentful

02:10:07.940 and bitter about women 0.52

02:10:08.860 you read it

02:10:10.020 it's so interesting

02:10:10.780 it's like

02:10:11.200 it's not me 1.00

02:10:12.100 it's those bitches 1.00

02:10:13.340 okay 1.00

02:10:14.380 that's right

02:10:15.200 it's not me

02:10:16.020 it's them

02:10:16.580 and not only that 0.90

02:10:17.980 what a bloody world

02:10:19.300 this is 0.99

02:10:19.700 in which they exist

02:10:20.680 it's exactly

02:10:21.700 the same thing

02:10:22.500 it's exactly

02:10:23.400 the same thing

02:10:24.020 and it is

02:10:24.680 absolutely 0.99

02:10:25.400 pathetic 0.99

02:10:26.640 all right 1.00

02:10:28.200 and the lord god

02:10:37.360 said unto the woman

02:10:38.200 what is this

02:10:38.980 that thou hast done

02:10:39.720 and the woman said 0.96

02:10:40.360 the serpent beguiled me

02:10:41.580 and I did eat

02:10:42.100 well at least she has 0.94

02:10:42.700 a bloody excuse 0.96

02:10:44.320 first of all 0.98

02:10:45.160 it's a snake

02:10:45.880 I mean those things

02:10:46.600 are we already found out

02:10:47.860 they're subtle

02:10:48.540 and second

02:10:49.340 it turns out 1.00

02:10:49.880 that the damn snake 1.00

02:10:50.720 is satan himself 1.00

02:10:52.040 you know 0.76

02:10:52.700 and he's rather treacherous

02:10:53.920 so the fact that

02:10:54.720 she got tangled up

02:10:56.560 in his mess

02:10:57.880 let's say

02:10:58.480 is

02:10:58.980 well

02:11:00.060 problematic

02:11:01.120 but it's a hell of a lot

02:11:02.820 better excuse

02:11:03.420 than Adam has

02:11:04.260 and the lord god

02:11:06.240 says unto the serpent

02:11:07.220 because thou hast done

02:11:08.200 this

02:11:08.900 thou art cursed

02:11:09.840 above all cattle

02:11:10.580 and above every beast

02:11:11.460 of the field

02:11:11.920 upon thy belly

02:11:13.540 shalt thou go

02:11:14.580 and dust

02:11:16.260 shalt thou eat

02:11:17.500 all the days of thy life

02:11:18.600 and snakes

02:11:19.780 by the way

02:11:20.160 are lizards

02:11:21.600 that lost their legs

02:11:22.640 just so you know

02:11:23.860 and I will put enmity

02:11:25.420 between thee and the woman 0.95

02:11:26.560 and between thy seed

02:11:28.580 and her seed 0.80

02:11:29.160 it shall bruise thy head

02:11:30.560 and thou shalt bruise

02:11:31.840 his heel

02:11:32.360 I love these pictures

02:11:34.740 they're so smart

02:11:35.620 and again

02:11:36.140 strip

02:11:37.480 the religious context

02:11:39.200 from them

02:11:39.640 and just look at them

02:11:40.680 for a second

02:11:41.260 what do you see

02:11:42.340 you see the eternal mother

02:11:44.380 holding her infant

02:11:46.620 away

02:11:47.520 from

02:11:48.260 the snake

02:11:49.520 see it down there

02:11:50.720 right

02:11:52.500 crocodile

02:11:53.740 snake

02:11:55.600 everything predatory

02:11:58.040 that's been after us

02:11:58.940 for like 60 million years

02:12:00.280 the reason we're here

02:12:01.580 is because of that

02:12:02.520 that's why it's a sacred image

02:12:04.860 now this one

02:12:06.900 I like even better

02:12:07.760 see down there

02:12:10.060 there's something like the moon

02:12:11.060 and then there's this

02:12:11.780 reptile down there

02:12:13.120 that Eve is standing on

02:12:14.320 this is really old

02:12:15.100 and I showed you this before

02:12:16.280 but I think it's so cool

02:12:17.280 she's coming out of this thing

02:12:18.620 that's like a hole in the sky

02:12:19.980 you know

02:12:20.320 because it indicates

02:12:21.560 the eternal re-presence

02:12:23.720 of this figure

02:12:24.480 it's something like that

02:12:25.300 the eternal recurrence

02:12:26.580 of this figure

02:12:27.140 it's an archetype

02:12:28.180 but then

02:12:28.780 the potential

02:12:31.060 out of which

02:12:31.540 she is emerging

02:12:32.120 these are all musical instruments

02:12:33.380 back here

02:12:33.920 and so what the artist

02:12:35.280 is representing

02:12:35.960 is the great

02:12:37.220 patterned complexity

02:12:38.600 of being

02:12:39.400 and the emergence

02:12:41.100 of the protective mother

02:12:42.800 from that background

02:12:44.060 protecting the infant

02:12:45.480 eternally against

02:12:46.440 predation

02:12:47.440 it's like

02:12:48.360 how can that not be

02:12:49.360 a holy image

02:12:50.140 if it isn't a holy image

02:12:51.620 if you don't think

02:12:52.180 it's a holy image

02:12:52.920 then there isn't something

02:12:53.840 wrong with the image

02:12:54.620 there's something wrong

02:12:56.260 with the perceiver

02:12:57.220 unto the woman

02:13:00.320 he said

02:13:00.800 well and God's just

02:13:01.780 outlining the consequences

02:13:02.880 of this right now

02:13:03.840 it's like okay

02:13:04.560 well now you've gone

02:13:05.480 and done it

02:13:05.880 you've woken up

02:13:06.600 this is what's going

02:13:07.440 to happen

02:13:07.880 I'll greatly multiply

02:13:09.840 thy sorrow

02:13:10.460 and thy conception

02:13:11.220 in sorrow

02:13:12.520 thou shalt bring forth

02:13:13.500 children

02:13:13.900 and thy desire

02:13:15.480 shall be to thy husband

02:13:16.440 and he shall rule

02:13:17.640 over thee

02:13:18.120 it doesn't say

02:13:19.520 he should

02:13:20.120 it says he will

02:13:21.860 and why in sorrow

02:13:24.700 shalt thou bring forth

02:13:25.720 children

02:13:26.120 well

02:13:27.320 when you develop

02:13:28.660 a brain that big

02:13:29.600 so that you can see

02:13:31.880 it's not that easy

02:13:33.640 to give birth anymore

02:13:34.720 and then you produce

02:13:36.700 something that's

02:13:37.380 dependent beyond belief

02:13:38.640 and that's one of the

02:13:39.980 things that

02:13:40.460 you would say

02:13:41.580 dooms you to

02:13:42.460 precisely this

02:13:43.460 so that's

02:13:44.760 Eve's punishment

02:13:45.980 for waking up

02:13:47.380 and Adam

02:13:48.700 because thou hast

02:13:50.380 hearkened unto the

02:13:51.040 voice of thy wife

02:13:51.800 and hast eaten

02:13:52.340 of the tree

02:13:52.840 of which I commanded

02:13:53.560 thee saying

02:13:54.060 thou shalt not eat

02:13:54.840 it

02:13:55.000 cursed is the ground

02:13:56.320 for thy sake

02:13:57.520 and sorrow

02:13:58.560 shall thou eat

02:13:59.480 of it

02:13:59.760 in all the days

02:14:00.420 of thy life

02:14:00.940 what's that

02:14:01.860 it's the invention

02:14:02.620 of work

02:14:03.220 thorns and thistles

02:14:05.860 shall it bring forth

02:14:06.940 to thee

02:14:07.180 and thou shalt eat

02:14:07.820 the herb of the field

02:14:08.700 it's the invention

02:14:09.380 of work

02:14:10.180 what do people do

02:14:11.400 that animals don't

02:14:12.420 work

02:14:13.200 what does work mean

02:14:14.600 means you sacrifice

02:14:15.880 the present

02:14:16.580 for the future

02:14:17.320 and why do you do that

02:14:18.620 because you know

02:14:19.400 you're vulnerable

02:14:20.000 and because you're awake

02:14:21.340 and so

02:14:22.240 from here on in

02:14:23.340 from this point

02:14:24.020 there's no return

02:14:24.740 to unconscious paradise

02:14:25.800 I don't care

02:14:26.500 how many problems

02:14:27.240 you've solved

02:14:27.900 so that today's okay

02:14:29.160 you've got a lot

02:14:30.120 of problems coming up

02:14:31.020 and no bloody matter

02:14:31.980 how much you work

02:14:32.880 you're never going to

02:14:33.600 work enough to solve them

02:14:34.580 and so all you're going to do

02:14:36.160 from here on in

02:14:36.820 is be terrified

02:14:37.460 of the future

02:14:38.140 and that's the price

02:14:39.280 of waking up

02:14:39.960 and that's the end

02:14:40.920 of paradise

02:14:41.400 and that's the beginning

02:14:42.520 of history

02:14:43.080 and that's how

02:14:43.940 that story goes

02:14:44.800 in the sweat

02:14:47.900 of thy face

02:14:48.520 shall thou eat bread

02:14:49.480 till thou return

02:14:50.340 unto the ground

02:14:51.060 for out of it

02:14:51.680 wast thou taken

02:14:52.460 for dust thou art

02:14:53.800 and unto dust

02:14:54.460 thou shalt return

02:14:55.560 and Adam called

02:14:58.000 his wife's name

02:14:58.800 Eve

02:14:59.080 because she was

02:14:59.700 the mother

02:15:00.040 of all living

02:15:00.920 unto Adam

02:15:04.600 also and unto his wife

02:15:05.960 did the Lord God

02:15:06.660 make coats of skin

02:15:07.680 and clothed them 0.85

02:15:08.620 that's William Blake

02:15:09.700 by the way

02:15:10.220 and the Lord God

02:15:11.760 said

02:15:12.080 behold the man

02:15:13.420 has become as one of us

02:15:14.380 to know good and evil

02:15:15.220 and now lest he put forth

02:15:16.320 his hand

02:15:16.700 and take also of the tree

02:15:17.740 of life

02:15:18.100 and eat and live forever

02:15:19.120 I'll go over this again

02:15:22.640 next week

02:15:23.180 therefore the Lord God

02:15:24.440 sent him from the forth

02:15:25.720 from the garden of Eden

02:15:27.000 to till the ground

02:15:27.720 from whence he was taken

02:15:28.580 so he drove out the man

02:15:29.880 and he placed at the east

02:15:30.840 of the garden of Eden

02:15:31.660 cherubims

02:15:32.280 and a flaming sword

02:15:33.880 which turned every way

02:15:34.740 to keep the way

02:15:35.460 of the tree of life

02:15:36.420 one more thing

02:15:50.300 and then we'll stop

02:15:51.020 so I thought

02:15:54.280 why in the world

02:15:56.120 so Adam and Eve

02:15:59.400 are tempted by the snake

02:16:01.300 they eat the fruit

02:16:01.940 they wake up

02:16:02.520 they realize they're naked

02:16:03.400 they realize that

02:16:05.760 they're vulnerable

02:16:06.260 they realize the future

02:16:07.280 they realize they're going

02:16:08.000 to die

02:16:08.340 they realize that

02:16:09.000 they have to work

02:16:09.740 it accounts for

02:16:11.560 difficulty in conception

02:16:12.700 and the fall of humankind

02:16:14.480 from unconscious paradise

02:16:16.000 okay

02:16:16.940 that makes sense

02:16:18.460 what about the knowledge

02:16:20.020 of good and evil

02:16:20.680 what in the world

02:16:22.260 does that mean

02:16:22.920 the Mesopotamians

02:16:25.540 believed that

02:16:26.260 human beings

02:16:27.200 were made out of

02:16:27.800 the blood of Kingu

02:16:28.780 who was the worst monster

02:16:30.340 that Tiamat 0.90

02:16:31.140 who was the goddess

02:16:31.800 of chaos

02:16:32.280 could imagine

02:16:33.980 and then produce

02:16:34.780 so their idea

02:16:35.760 was that

02:16:36.160 whatever it was

02:16:36.720 about humanity

02:16:37.500 there was something

02:16:39.020 deeply

02:16:39.520 deeply

02:16:40.380 deeply

02:16:40.960 demonically

02:16:41.920 flawed

02:16:42.440 so that's

02:16:46.440 their conception

02:16:47.080 and it's out of

02:16:48.940 that same milieu

02:16:49.620 that these stories emerge

02:16:50.840 so what is

02:16:52.180 opening your eyes

02:16:53.180 and realizing

02:16:53.760 your vulnerability

02:16:54.500 have to do

02:16:55.860 with the knowledge

02:16:56.320 of good and evil

02:16:56.960 really I thought

02:16:58.140 about that

02:16:58.520 I really thought

02:16:59.080 about that

02:16:59.420 I gotta tell you

02:17:00.040 I thought about that

02:17:00.620 for like 20 years

02:17:01.400 because I knew

02:17:01.980 there was something

02:17:02.520 there that I could

02:17:03.160 not put together

02:17:03.860 and at the same time

02:17:05.120 I was reading things

02:17:07.140 I'm gonna tell you

02:17:08.000 something truly awful

02:17:09.640 and so if you need

02:17:11.000 a trigger warning

02:17:11.580 you're getting one

02:17:12.540 and believe me

02:17:14.140 I do not give

02:17:15.040 trigger warnings lightly

02:17:15.960 so I'm gonna tell you

02:17:17.620 something you will

02:17:18.120 never forget

02:17:18.740 so this is what

02:17:20.140 unit 731

02:17:20.940 used to do in China

02:17:22.360 it's a Japanese unit

02:17:23.480 during the first

02:17:24.000 second world war

02:17:24.920 right

02:17:25.640 as far as I can tell

02:17:26.740 they did the most

02:17:27.760 horrific things

02:17:28.540 that were done

02:17:28.920 to anyone

02:17:29.300 during world war 2

02:17:30.200 and that's really

02:17:31.240 something

02:17:31.600 so this is what

02:17:32.820 they did

02:17:33.180 they took their

02:17:36.640 prisoners

02:17:36.980 and they would

02:17:39.000 put them

02:17:39.480 in a position

02:17:41.380 so that their arms

02:17:42.680 would freeze solid

02:17:43.460 and then they would

02:17:45.280 take them outside

02:17:46.060 and pour hot water

02:17:48.120 over their arms

02:17:48.800 and then they would

02:17:50.160 repeat that

02:17:50.860 till the flesh

02:17:51.920 came off the bones

02:17:52.840 and they were doing

02:17:54.720 that to investigate

02:17:55.800 the treatment of

02:17:57.400 frostbite for soldiers

02:17:58.520 you can look up

02:18:00.180 unit 731

02:18:00.940 if you want to

02:18:01.480 have nightmares

02:18:02.060 so that's unit 731

02:18:04.540 that's human beings

02:18:06.340 someone thought that up

02:18:07.980 and then people

02:18:08.940 did it

02:18:09.980 that's knowledge

02:18:12.780 of good and evil

02:18:13.460 here's the

02:18:14.660 here's the key

02:18:15.480 man

02:18:15.880 you know you're vulnerable

02:18:18.500 no other animal

02:18:19.960 knows that

02:18:20.460 you know what

02:18:21.660 hurts you

02:18:22.220 because you're vulnerable

02:18:24.240 and now that you

02:18:25.260 know what hurts you

02:18:26.060 you can figure out

02:18:28.380 what hurts someone else

02:18:29.600 and as soon as you

02:18:31.360 know what hurts

02:18:32.260 someone else

02:18:32.760 and you can use that

02:18:33.960 you have the knowledge

02:18:35.160 of good and evil

02:18:35.860 well it's a pretty good

02:18:37.420 trick that the snake

02:18:38.180 pulled because it

02:18:39.040 doesn't look like

02:18:39.580 it's exactly the sort

02:18:40.440 of thing that we

02:18:40.920 might have wanted

02:18:41.480 if we would have

02:18:42.300 known what the

02:18:42.760 consequence was

02:18:43.520 but as soon as a

02:18:44.820 human being is

02:18:45.420 self-conscious

02:18:46.040 and aware of his

02:18:47.180 own nakedness

02:18:47.960 then he has the

02:18:48.820 capacity for evil

02:18:49.720 and that's introduced

02:18:51.240 into the world

02:18:51.940 right at that point

02:18:53.100 and here's the rest

02:18:54.120 of the story

02:18:54.720 so there's the snake

02:18:57.240 right and you're

02:18:57.980 some tree dwelling

02:18:58.700 primate and the snake

02:18:59.620 eats you 1.00

02:19:00.040 and that sucks 1.00

02:19:01.100 so let's like 0.98

02:19:01.780 let's watch out 1.00

02:19:02.740 for the damn snakes 1.00

02:19:03.560 and then you think 1.00

02:19:04.460 well wait a minute

02:19:04.940 your brain grows

02:19:05.880 and you think

02:19:06.180 wait a minute

02:19:06.560 well there's not just

02:19:07.800 a snake

02:19:08.920 there's where snakes live

02:19:09.940 why don't we just

02:19:10.520 get the hell out of the tree

02:19:11.780 and go hunt down the snakes

02:19:12.760 and get rid of them

02:19:13.360 so those are sort of like

02:19:14.440 potential snakes

02:19:15.340 and so the snake

02:19:16.960 becomes potential snake

02:19:18.100 and it's the same circuit

02:19:19.220 that you're using

02:19:19.880 to do this thinking

02:19:20.640 and then you get rid 1.00

02:19:21.620 of the damn snakes 0.99

02:19:22.460 it's like 1.00

02:19:22.980 saint patrick chases them

02:19:25.400 out of ireland

02:19:25.800 no more snakes

02:19:26.580 everything's paradise

02:19:27.560 it's like

02:19:28.040 no no no

02:19:29.100 that's not

02:19:29.600 that's not how it works

02:19:30.640 at all

02:19:30.920 well now you've got

02:19:31.560 the human snakes

02:19:32.760 you're a tribe

02:19:33.760 you've got tribal enemies 0.88

02:19:35.100 you've got to defend

02:19:36.600 yourself against

02:19:37.400 the human snakes

02:19:38.880 right

02:19:39.460 so maybe

02:19:39.920 your empire expands

02:19:42.080 and you get rid of 0.56

02:19:42.540 all the human snakes

02:19:43.500 and then what happens

02:19:44.920 well they start to grow

02:19:46.480 develop inside

02:19:47.220 it's like

02:19:47.860 you get rid of all the

02:19:49.160 external enemies

02:19:49.840 and you make a big city

02:19:50.800 and all of a sudden

02:19:51.700 there's enemies

02:19:52.720 that pop up inside

02:19:53.740 because the snake

02:19:55.040 isn't just the snake

02:19:55.880 in the garden

02:19:56.320 and the snake

02:19:56.800 isn't just the possible snake

02:19:58.240 and the snake

02:19:58.940 isn't just the snake

02:19:59.800 that's your enemy

02:20:00.460 the snake is your friend

02:20:02.340 right

02:20:04.380 because your friend

02:20:04.980 can betray you

02:20:05.820 and then it's even worse

02:20:06.980 than that

02:20:07.440 because you can betray you

02:20:09.640 and so even if you get rid

02:20:11.120 of all the outside snakes

02:20:12.220 you've got an inside snake

02:20:14.060 and God only knows

02:20:15.420 what it's up to

02:20:16.200 and that's why 1.00

02:20:17.620 the bloody Christians 1.00

02:20:18.880 associated the snake 0.99

02:20:20.240 in the garden of Eden

02:20:20.980 with Satan

02:20:21.680 it's unbelievably brilliant

02:20:24.300 because you've got to think

02:20:26.100 what's the enemy

02:20:27.160 well it's the snake

02:20:28.760 fair enough

02:20:29.460 but you know

02:20:30.600 that's good

02:20:31.060 if you're a tree dwelling primate

02:20:32.340 but if you're a sophisticated

02:20:33.600 human being

02:20:34.560 you know

02:20:35.160 with six million years

02:20:36.200 of additional evolution

02:20:37.400 and you're really trying

02:20:38.600 to solve the problem

02:20:40.040 of what it is

02:20:40.840 that's the great enemy

02:20:42.040 of mankind

02:20:42.680 well it's the human propensity

02:20:44.900 for evil

02:20:45.440 right

02:20:46.460 as such

02:20:47.320 well that's the figure

02:20:49.120 of Satan

02:20:49.800 that's what that figure means

02:20:51.180 just like there's a logos

02:20:52.320 that's the truth

02:20:53.380 that speaks

02:20:54.180 order

02:20:55.040 out of chaos

02:20:56.840 at the beginning of time

02:20:57.880 there's an antithetical spirit

02:21:00.320 the hostile brother

02:21:01.720 that's Cain to Abel

02:21:03.100 which we'll talk about

02:21:04.300 next week

02:21:04.940 that's doing exactly

02:21:06.100 it's simply the opposite

02:21:06.680 it's motivated by

02:21:09.500 absolutely nothing

02:21:10.840 but malevolence

02:21:11.780 and the willingness

02:21:12.360 to destroy

02:21:13.080 and it has every reason

02:21:15.040 for doing so

02:21:16.040 and that's

02:21:19.520 what's revealed

02:21:20.920 in the next story

02:21:21.600 in Cain and Abel

02:21:22.300 in one paragraph

02:21:23.500 the first glimmerings

02:21:25.540 of that

02:21:25.920 outside of the strange

02:21:27.200 insistence

02:21:27.920 by the Christian mystics

02:21:29.780 let's say

02:21:30.280 on the identity

02:21:31.280 between the snake

02:21:32.200 in the garden of Eden

02:21:32.980 and the author

02:21:34.080 of all evil himself

02:21:35.620 okay so we only have

02:21:47.620 15 minutes today

02:21:48.760 I wanted to finish that

02:21:51.100 so

02:21:51.340 apologies for going over

02:21:53.920 a little longer

02:21:54.580 alright

02:21:56.440 hi Dr. Peterson

02:21:58.700 over the last couple weeks

02:22:00.480 and further back

02:22:01.280 you talk a lot

02:22:01.980 about consciousness

02:22:02.780 and the importance

02:22:03.640 of it

02:22:04.060 and I was hoping

02:22:04.980 to get your opinion

02:22:05.800 on an issue

02:22:06.480 of consciousness

02:22:07.080 that has often

02:22:08.420 seen Christianity 0.69

02:22:09.220 among other groups

02:22:10.260 and politics

02:22:11.520 kind of clash

02:22:13.200 so I'm hoping

02:22:13.640 to get your views

02:22:14.520 on the consciousness

02:22:15.820 or lack thereof

02:22:16.920 of a human fetus

02:22:17.960 and how that's

02:22:19.360 impacted your views

02:22:20.300 on abortion

02:22:20.800 whatever they are

02:22:21.700 and any legislation

02:22:23.140 oh

02:22:25.140 thank you

02:22:34.500 thank you

02:22:34.820 thank you

02:22:34.920 okay so the first

02:22:46.400 question is

02:22:47.000 do I have an answer

02:22:48.140 for that

02:22:48.500 that's a good enough

02:22:49.120 answer to actually

02:22:49.960 reveal

02:22:51.000 no I don't

02:22:54.860 but I can

02:22:56.100 flail about

02:22:57.680 a little bit

02:22:58.320 around it

02:22:58.980 abortion is 0.64

02:23:00.440 clearly wrong

02:23:01.100 I don't think

02:23:03.240 anybody debates

02:23:03.900 that

02:23:04.200 you wouldn't

02:23:05.120 recommend that

02:23:05.920 someone that you

02:23:06.660 love have one

02:23:07.540 okay now

02:23:09.680 having

02:23:10.660 clarified that

02:23:12.100 that mere

02:23:14.500 statement doesn't

02:23:15.220 eliminate the

02:23:15.800 complexity

02:23:16.240 of the situation

02:23:17.520 the first question

02:23:20.720 is

02:23:20.960 should everything

02:23:22.120 wrong be

02:23:22.640 illegal

02:23:23.080 that's a tough

02:23:24.920 question

02:23:25.360 everything that's

02:23:27.040 wrong isn't

02:23:27.560 illegal

02:23:27.940 then there's the

02:23:29.540 additional complication

02:23:30.540 of

02:23:30.920 the difference

02:23:33.660 let's say

02:23:34.180 in

02:23:34.540 gravity

02:23:37.260 regarding the

02:23:40.760 problem in

02:23:41.160 relationship to

02:23:41.780 men and women

02:23:42.220 and we don't

02:23:43.740 know how to

02:23:44.040 deal with that

02:23:44.600 having said

02:23:48.080 that I would

02:23:48.620 say that it's

02:23:49.120 actually the

02:23:49.580 wrong question

02:23:50.620 there's something

02:23:52.940 Leonard Cohen

02:23:53.520 said once

02:23:54.080 he said that

02:23:54.660 in a massacre

02:23:55.360 there's no

02:23:55.780 decent place

02:23:56.360 to stand

02:23:56.940 and what he

02:23:58.340 meant by that

02:23:58.860 was

02:23:59.120 sometimes

02:24:00.440 you're aware

02:24:01.500 there is no

02:24:02.020 good decision

02:24:02.680 left

02:24:03.100 no matter what

02:24:04.740 you do

02:24:04.980 it's wrong

02:24:05.460 so then the

02:24:08.280 question is

02:24:08.740 how did you

02:24:09.120 get there

02:24:09.600 well let's

02:24:10.860 say you're

02:24:11.120 in a position

02:24:11.560 where you

02:24:11.960 are inclined

02:24:13.260 to seek

02:24:13.660 an abortion

02:24:14.120 the question

02:24:15.700 is how did

02:24:17.400 you get

02:24:17.680 there

02:24:17.960 now we

02:24:19.960 have a lot

02:24:20.300 to straighten

02:24:20.740 out about

02:24:21.320 the sexual

02:24:22.780 relationships

02:24:23.520 between men

02:24:24.160 and women

02:24:24.500 in the modern

02:24:25.300 world

02:24:25.620 they're bent

02:24:27.340 and warped 0.98

02:24:27.920 and demented

02:24:28.440 out of shape

02:24:29.020 one of the

02:24:29.420 things I see

02:24:29.900 with young

02:24:30.240 people for

02:24:30.680 example

02:24:31.060 is that

02:24:31.860 they will

02:24:32.440 engage in

02:24:32.940 sexual acts

02:24:33.500 with one

02:24:33.780 another

02:24:34.000 that they

02:24:34.380 would not

02:24:34.840 talk about

02:24:35.380 with one

02:24:35.740 another

02:24:36.020 I mean

02:24:37.400 couples will

02:24:38.020 do that

02:24:38.320 for that

02:24:38.620 matter

02:24:38.820 like married

02:24:39.360 couples will

02:24:39.800 do that

02:24:40.060 but they're

02:24:41.200 married

02:24:41.440 that's a

02:24:42.160 different story

02:24:42.740 it seems

02:24:43.740 to me

02:24:44.020 that if

02:24:44.380 you are

02:24:44.920 willing to

02:24:45.300 engage in

02:24:45.820 a sexual

02:24:46.260 act

02:24:46.560 with someone

02:24:46.960 with whom

02:24:47.460 you would

02:24:47.800 not discuss

02:24:48.460 that act

02:24:49.020 you probably

02:24:49.520 put the cart

02:24:50.160 before the

02:24:50.680 horse

02:24:50.980 so

02:24:52.540 the discussion

02:24:54.660 regarding

02:24:55.900 the legality

02:24:57.140 of abortion

02:24:58.040 is nested

02:24:58.740 inside

02:24:59.100 a larger

02:24:59.920 discussion

02:25:00.440 about the

02:25:01.800 morality

02:25:02.820 of abortion

02:25:04.640 and that's

02:25:05.100 nested inside

02:25:06.200 a larger

02:25:06.600 discussion

02:25:07.060 about

02:25:07.400 the proper

02:25:08.740 place of

02:25:09.320 sexuality

02:25:09.900 and human

02:25:10.460 behavior

02:25:10.940 and to

02:25:11.900 me

02:25:12.240 that's the

02:25:13.260 level at

02:25:13.680 which the

02:25:14.280 problem needs

02:25:14.940 to be

02:25:15.280 addressed

02:25:15.660 now

02:25:16.940 I don't have

02:25:18.080 the answer

02:25:18.480 to that

02:25:18.940 you know

02:25:19.540 because the

02:25:20.220 old answer

02:25:20.640 was get

02:25:21.200 married

02:25:21.540 that's a

02:25:22.520 good answer

02:25:23.100 and it's an

02:25:23.980 answer that

02:25:24.380 people should

02:25:24.800 still listen

02:25:25.340 to

02:25:25.560 but we'll

02:25:27.480 put that

02:25:27.760 aside

02:25:28.060 momentarily

02:25:28.660 I had a

02:25:31.280 client at

02:25:31.680 one point

02:25:32.140 who was

02:25:32.540 I don't

02:25:33.280 know she

02:25:33.520 was probably

02:25:34.080 I'm not

02:25:35.360 I'm going to

02:25:35.860 disguise her

02:25:36.520 in a variety

02:25:37.220 of different

02:25:37.600 ways

02:25:37.880 she was 27

02:25:39.440 20

02:25:39.800 thereabouts

02:25:40.740 had come

02:25:41.100 from a

02:25:41.380 relatively

02:25:41.760 conservative

02:25:42.320 background

02:25:43.340 quite a

02:25:43.800 timid

02:25:44.100 fearful

02:25:44.680 person

02:25:45.160 and also

02:25:46.680 not very

02:25:48.320 well

02:25:48.700 not sophisticated

02:25:49.680 in relationship

02:25:50.560 to relationships

02:25:51.640 and she'd

02:25:52.780 never had

02:25:53.120 sex 0.62

02:25:53.520 well there's

02:25:54.660 a bunch of

02:25:55.000 things she'd

02:25:55.360 never done

02:25:55.880 well

02:25:57.080 the answer

02:26:01.240 from me

02:26:02.400 to her

02:26:02.980 wasn't

02:26:03.960 continue to

02:26:05.200 be timid

02:26:05.640 about everything

02:26:06.300 because that

02:26:07.380 wasn't working

02:26:07.900 out for her

02:26:08.440 she needed

02:26:09.700 to go have

02:26:10.180 some adventures

02:26:10.920 now

02:26:12.480 sexual

02:26:14.640 adventures

02:26:15.060 like other

02:26:15.540 adventures

02:26:15.920 are dangerous

02:26:16.600 and so

02:26:18.080 you have to

02:26:19.060 be very

02:26:19.340 careful

02:26:19.620 when you

02:26:19.940 encourage

02:26:20.300 people to

02:26:20.720 go out

02:26:20.960 and have

02:26:21.160 adventures

02:26:21.620 but

02:26:22.200 too much

02:26:24.340 timidity

02:26:24.840 and caution

02:26:25.860 also constitutes

02:26:26.880 a pathway

02:26:27.940 to perdition

02:26:28.600 let's say

02:26:29.140 you can't

02:26:31.300 just say

02:26:31.660 to people

02:26:32.080 in the modern

02:26:32.580 world

02:26:33.000 well you 0.86

02:26:33.860 know sex 0.58

02:26:34.900 till you're

02:26:35.300 married

02:26:35.640 unless you're

02:26:36.900 going to get

02:26:37.160 married

02:26:37.400 when you're

02:26:37.740 very young

02:26:38.240 and perhaps

02:26:38.980 you should

02:26:39.400 I don't

02:26:39.700 know about

02:26:40.280 that

02:26:40.600 but

02:26:41.580 I don't

02:26:43.620 think that

02:26:43.960 we're mature

02:26:44.500 enough

02:26:44.920 as a culture

02:26:46.220 to have a

02:26:46.980 serious discussion

02:26:47.680 about sexual

02:26:48.320 propriety

02:26:48.860 especially in the

02:26:49.620 aftermath of the

02:26:50.280 birth control pill

02:26:51.000 and we seriously

02:26:51.920 need to do that

02:26:52.700 and we haven't

02:26:53.760 and so I think

02:26:54.700 the eternal

02:26:55.980 debate about

02:26:56.940 abortion

02:26:57.320 horrible as

02:26:57.940 it is

02:26:58.360 is a

02:26:59.900 it's the

02:27:02.140 surface

02:27:02.520 manifestation

02:27:03.140 of a much

02:27:03.760 deeper problem

02:27:04.540 now I talked

02:27:06.140 a little bit

02:27:06.580 today about

02:27:07.180 the utility

02:27:07.980 of marriage

02:27:08.540 like the

02:27:08.920 spiritual utility

02:27:09.680 of marriage

02:27:10.200 and that's

02:27:11.440 something

02:27:11.720 that I think

02:27:13.120 we're so

02:27:14.940 immaturely cynical

02:27:15.940 as a culture

02:27:16.620 like we don't

02:27:17.460 we're not wise

02:27:18.160 enough to look

02:27:18.660 at an institution

02:27:19.260 like marriage

02:27:19.820 and to really

02:27:20.280 think about

02:27:20.700 what it

02:27:21.040 means

02:27:21.980 and what it

02:27:22.380 signifies

02:27:22.820 it signifies

02:27:23.460 a place

02:27:24.740 that people

02:27:25.100 can tie the

02:27:25.700 ropes of their

02:27:26.160 lives together

02:27:26.680 so that they're

02:27:27.240 stronger

02:27:27.620 it signifies

02:27:28.200 a place

02:27:28.560 where people

02:27:28.940 can tell

02:27:29.260 the truth

02:27:29.580 to one

02:27:29.840 another

02:27:30.080 it signifies

02:27:30.960 a place

02:27:31.360 where sexuality

02:27:32.380 can properly

02:27:33.320 be integrated

02:27:33.960 into life

02:27:34.540 that's no easy

02:27:35.460 that's no easy

02:27:36.480 task

02:27:36.920 it's a place

02:27:37.920 where children

02:27:38.480 at least in principle

02:27:39.520 can be put

02:27:40.120 first and foremost

02:27:40.980 as they should be

02:27:41.880 once they exist

02:27:42.900 and so

02:27:43.920 there's a much

02:27:44.740 broader

02:27:45.220 discussion

02:27:47.300 that has to happen

02:27:48.220 I think

02:27:48.720 before

02:27:49.200 any concentration

02:27:51.320 on the legality

02:27:52.340 of abortion

02:27:52.920 is liable

02:27:53.380 to get anywhere

02:27:53.940 at all

02:27:54.320 that's what it

02:27:55.380 looks like

02:27:55.740 to me

02:27:56.080 so that's the

02:27:57.240 best I can do

02:27:57.820 with that

02:27:58.200 question

02:27:58.940 hi Dr. Peterson

02:28:10.320 earlier you showed

02:28:12.200 a picture of

02:28:13.180 Foxy and Nua

02:28:14.100 yeah right

02:28:14.920 yeah and

02:28:15.560 and Osiris

02:28:16.980 and in your

02:28:18.240 maps of meaning

02:28:18.840 lectures

02:28:19.080 you also

02:28:21.320 explained that

02:28:21.840 cultures around

02:28:22.540 the world

02:28:22.960 have these

02:28:23.780 twin snakes

02:28:24.640 yeah they're

02:28:25.280 everywhere man

02:28:25.920 yeah and so

02:28:26.720 you mentioned

02:28:27.620 that you believe

02:28:28.940 this is a

02:28:29.580 representation of

02:28:30.360 DNA

02:28:30.680 you would bring

02:28:31.900 that up too

02:28:32.380 Jesus what is it

02:28:33.140 with you guys

02:28:33.640 tonight

02:28:33.980 yeah well yeah

02:28:36.020 no I wouldn't say

02:28:36.840 I believe that

02:28:37.500 I have my suspicions

02:28:38.840 that that might be

02:28:39.720 it yeah because

02:28:40.520 believe is too

02:28:41.400 strong a word

02:28:42.000 but those

02:28:42.380 representations are

02:28:43.360 everywhere

02:28:43.800 and read this

02:28:46.620 book this is a

02:28:47.360 good one

02:28:47.780 oh man now I

02:28:49.720 have to remember

02:28:50.140 the book

02:28:50.540 it's by an

02:28:51.700 anthropologist who

02:28:52.520 went down to the

02:28:53.380 Amazon jungle and

02:28:54.260 experimented intensively

02:28:55.560 with ayahuasca

02:28:56.320 I think it's called

02:28:57.520 the cosmic serpent

02:28:58.360 I think that's the

02:28:59.480 name of the book

02:28:59.980 you could read that

02:29:01.080 there's another one

02:29:01.880 called breaking open

02:29:02.680 the head which is 0.98

02:29:03.460 also pretty damn

02:29:04.280 interesting and

02:29:05.660 there's something to

02:29:06.400 those books I

02:29:08.160 mean the cosmic

02:29:09.400 serpent kind of goes

02:29:10.260 off on a bit of a

02:29:11.140 tangent I would say

02:29:11.980 although breaking

02:29:12.520 open the head is

02:29:13.280 it's better

02:29:14.040 better it seems to

02:29:18.020 stay more constrained

02:29:18.900 and tight but

02:29:20.080 there's we don't

02:29:23.100 know the limits of

02:29:23.800 our perception

02:29:24.440 especially under

02:29:25.600 certain conditions

02:29:26.340 and I think people

02:29:27.640 have had intimations

02:29:28.820 of DNA as the

02:29:31.140 cosmic serpent

02:29:31.800 forever

02:29:32.580 so yeah

02:29:35.080 but that's a

02:29:36.980 like that's way

02:29:38.460 out on the

02:29:39.320 frontiers of my

02:29:40.680 knowledge right

02:29:41.320 like I'm guessing

02:29:43.060 in a dreamlike way

02:29:44.360 when I'm making

02:29:45.280 statements like that

02:29:46.260 so

02:29:46.520 because you didn't

02:29:47.360 mention that you

02:29:47.900 did believe in and

02:29:49.160 that there were sort

02:29:50.140 of maybe some

02:29:52.600 some dreams and

02:29:53.800 interpretations that

02:29:55.360 might have emerged

02:29:56.020 but I don't see how

02:29:56.900 we could have

02:29:57.680 perceived DNA as it

02:29:59.300 is

02:29:59.640 right

02:30:00.700 well yes we

02:30:04.060 didn't objectively

02:30:05.620 but I'm not so

02:30:06.540 sure we didn't

02:30:07.140 subjectively

02:30:07.860 but I mean it's very

02:30:09.380 strange that these

02:30:10.220 that these double

02:30:10.860 helixes exist in so

02:30:12.000 many places and that

02:30:12.820 they're often utilized

02:30:13.620 as healing symbols

02:30:14.520 with the snake

02:30:15.780 so anyways like I

02:30:18.700 said that's what do

02:30:20.400 you call that

02:30:20.940 I'm uh it's not

02:30:25.040 hypothesizing it's one

02:30:26.160 thing worse than that

02:30:27.080 speculating those are

02:30:28.580 speculations I'm I'm

02:30:30.060 operating at the edge

02:30:31.020 of my understanding

02:30:31.960 but our perceptions

02:30:35.180 can are very mutable

02:30:36.520 and they can we

02:30:38.200 can see things under

02:30:39.020 some conditions that

02:30:39.980 you wouldn't think

02:30:40.880 that anybody could

02:30:41.560 see so okay yep

02:30:44.520 so I was just

02:30:53.400 starting to have a

02:30:54.140 thought while you

02:30:54.760 were talking about

02:30:55.540 uh sort of getting to

02:30:56.840 the end of the talk

02:30:57.460 about the the snake

02:30:58.740 and the and the apple

02:30:59.580 and so on so is

02:31:01.680 what you're saying is

02:31:03.240 the moment that that

02:31:04.580 uh that Adam and

02:31:06.940 Eve eat the apple

02:31:07.880 they become nervous

02:31:09.020 or whatever so that's

02:31:09.760 awareness of their

02:31:10.460 own vulnerability so

02:31:11.520 then like you said

02:31:12.100 it's also awareness of

02:31:13.080 their own capacity to

02:31:14.540 do harm so it's like

02:31:16.180 when they are eating

02:31:16.740 the apple then that's

02:31:18.040 them their immediate

02:31:19.900 sort of uh nervous

02:31:21.860 reaction is is because

02:31:23.300 they ate the apple and

02:31:24.160 they kind of became evil

02:31:25.980 in that moment or

02:31:26.820 something like that

02:31:27.500 so well they woke up

02:31:28.720 and because they they

02:31:29.900 woke up and realized

02:31:30.860 how they could be hurt

02:31:31.900 how they could and

02:31:32.840 would be hurt over

02:31:33.900 the over the over the

02:31:35.060 upcoming over time

02:31:36.880 it's the same as the

02:31:38.420 discovery of you the

02:31:39.540 discovery of your own

02:31:40.560 nakedness and the

02:31:41.920 discovery of time are

02:31:43.240 very very similar

02:31:44.140 phenomena I mean

02:31:45.860 sure as soon as you

02:31:50.060 know how you can be

02:31:50.820 hurt well you know if

02:31:52.340 you have to just

02:31:52.900 consult your evil

02:31:53.880 fantasies it's like

02:31:54.980 what'll really hurt

02:31:55.800 them oh yeah that

02:31:56.640 would work it's like

02:31:57.480 how do you know that

02:31:58.320 well you just think

02:31:59.360 about it what would

02:32:00.780 happen if that

02:32:01.240 happened to me

02:32:01.800 that would hurt oh

02:32:02.780 yeah that'll work

02:32:03.780 it'll hurt him or

02:32:05.240 her and you know you

02:32:07.040 probably think that

02:32:07.760 way twice a week or

02:32:08.780 maybe twice a day

02:32:09.880 Jesus every time you

02:32:10.780 have an argument with

02:32:11.440 someone all you have

02:32:12.300 to do is look at the

02:32:13.020 back of your mind a

02:32:14.480 little bit you don't

02:32:15.220 want to that's for

02:32:16.080 sure but if you do

02:32:17.260 you'll see these sorts

02:32:18.660 of thought processes

02:32:19.460 generating constantly

02:32:21.820 it's like you know in

02:32:23.300 a back and forth

02:32:24.020 discussion particularly

02:32:25.300 with people you love

02:32:26.380 it's like you're

02:32:26.840 always looking for a

02:32:27.520 place to put the

02:32:28.960 knife in so so then

02:32:30.600 it seems really

02:32:31.500 similar to me or

02:32:32.280 seems like they're

02:32:33.120 kind of discovering

02:32:33.820 the kind of like

02:32:34.720 union shadow within

02:32:35.780 themselves so that

02:32:36.420 that is the moment

02:32:37.220 where it got introduced

02:32:38.480 into the human spirit

02:32:39.720 sure one of the

02:32:40.940 things about the

02:32:42.460 shadow is that it's

02:32:43.400 also when you

02:32:44.600 integrate that that's

02:32:45.500 what makes you a

02:32:46.120 substantial person

02:32:47.100 right so it's like

02:32:49.380 it seems to me that

02:32:50.600 on one hand well it's

02:32:51.500 it seems like this

02:32:52.260 tragedy that Satan the

02:32:53.460 most evil the father of

02:32:55.200 evil whatever has

02:32:55.980 introduced into people

02:32:57.580 but it also seems

02:32:58.600 like without that

02:32:59.800 shadow that people

02:33:01.140 are kind of

02:33:02.320 insubstantial so

02:33:04.300 yeah well that

02:33:05.640 right right I mean

02:33:06.660 that like I said

02:33:08.800 that there's been a

02:33:09.820 multitude of

02:33:10.420 interpretations emerge

02:33:11.560 as a consequence of

02:33:13.480 that story what was

02:33:14.480 God up to was was

02:33:15.880 God in fact evil the

02:33:17.160 initial God like why

02:33:18.920 why would he create a

02:33:20.160 snake why would he

02:33:21.060 put it in the garden

02:33:21.760 why would there be

02:33:22.620 these trees what the

02:33:23.900 hell is going on with

02:33:25.100 the whole Satan thing

02:33:26.100 you know it's very

02:33:27.500 very problematic

02:33:28.140 well we'll talk

02:33:29.580 about it more and

02:33:31.840 this again is let's

02:33:33.740 call it speculation

02:33:34.700 well if you want to

02:33:41.640 make something strong

02:33:42.400 you test it and maybe

02:33:45.120 if you want to make

02:33:45.720 something ultimately

02:33:46.360 strong you test it

02:33:47.640 ultimately and I think

02:33:50.340 that there's an aspect

02:33:51.480 of being that has

02:33:53.560 that element is that

02:33:55.500 human beings are

02:33:56.240 tested ultimately

02:33:57.480 it's partly because

02:33:59.700 we know good and

02:34:00.440 good and evil now

02:34:01.460 and so that's the

02:34:02.640 landscape in which we

02:34:03.800 exist so you could

02:34:04.800 say the landscape is

02:34:06.760 a cross it's chaos

02:34:08.080 and order and it's

02:34:09.120 good and evil and

02:34:09.920 we're stuck in the

02:34:10.580 middle between those

02:34:11.280 two things it's a

02:34:12.040 very common theme by

02:34:12.980 the way in video

02:34:13.520 games exactly that

02:34:14.580 chaos order good evil

02:34:16.420 it's the it's the

02:34:17.440 basic plot of endless

02:34:18.360 video games and

02:34:19.320 that's perhaps because

02:34:20.060 it's the basic plot

02:34:21.040 those are the things we

02:34:22.820 have to contend with

02:34:23.760 well I had a vision

02:34:26.300 once I shouldn't tell

02:34:27.420 you this but I will

02:34:28.620 anyways I had a vision

02:34:30.380 once that that I went

02:34:31.360 to heaven and and I

02:34:32.580 was put in a in a

02:34:34.840 Roman amphitheater with

02:34:36.600 Satan just like Thor

02:34:38.520 encountering the Hulk

02:34:40.660 right that's coming up

02:34:41.560 in that new Avengers

02:34:42.260 movie and so that was

02:34:44.100 rather a shock because I

02:34:45.100 thought that was a

02:34:45.580 hell of a thing to

02:34:46.100 happen in heaven and so

02:34:47.600 I had this battle and I

02:34:50.180 won and at the end I

02:34:51.600 came up to God and said

02:34:53.180 like you know what's

02:34:54.600 with the whole Roman 0.93

02:34:57.260 amphitheater thing there

02:34:58.300 it seemed like a bit

02:34:59.200 over the top to me

02:35:00.220 said why would you put

02:35:01.520 me in a ring with

02:35:03.000 someone thing like that

02:35:03.940 and he said because I

02:35:05.420 knew you could win

02:35:06.100 and you know I don't

02:35:08.740 know what to make of

02:35:09.340 that one thing I

02:35:12.600 should make of it is

02:35:13.880 I shouldn't tell you

02:35:14.900 but whatever but you

02:35:17.160 know there's something

02:35:18.800 there's something to

02:35:19.920 that in my estimation

02:35:21.100 it's like do you

02:35:23.000 protect the people you

02:35:23.920 love or do you try to

02:35:24.720 make them strong so you

02:35:26.780 think it's that it's not

02:35:28.100 that we have like Satan

02:35:29.540 to thank for making us

02:35:30.560 substantial it's that God

02:35:32.280 gave us Satan in order to

02:35:34.940 make us substantial well I'd

02:35:36.760 hesitate to say that

02:35:37.780 because you know it's it's

02:35:38.720 so cut and dried but I

02:35:40.860 would say that that there's

02:35:42.360 a that's a strong underlying

02:35:44.580 theme in the biblical

02:35:45.740 narrative yes now it's

02:35:48.840 certainly not the only

02:35:49.860 theme it's not the only

02:35:51.080 interpretation by any

02:35:52.100 stretch of the imagination

02:35:52.940 but there is something

02:35:54.340 there and there's something

02:35:55.060 there you know at the end

02:35:55.760 we didn't talk about this

02:35:56.580 God puts up this flaming

02:35:58.960 sword and these cherubim to

02:36:01.060 keep you away from the tree

02:36:02.560 of life it's like it seems

02:36:04.060 if if paradise and

02:36:07.080 immortality are the promised

02:36:08.460 land then what's with the

02:36:10.120 whole flaming angel and

02:36:11.980 sword thing we could have 0.99

02:36:12.980 just had the damn fruit 0.99

02:36:14.160 5,000 years ago and not 0.99

02:36:16.260 bothered with the problem

02:36:17.340 well it seems to me that

02:36:19.880 there's something like I

02:36:22.140 don't know what it is

02:36:22.960 consciousness through

02:36:26.020 tragedy clarity through

02:36:27.680 suffering maybe something

02:36:29.180 like that or maybe the

02:36:31.300 perfection that lurks as a

02:36:33.460 potential in the future is

02:36:34.620 something that has to be

02:36:35.440 earned rather than given

02:36:36.580 maybe it has no value

02:36:38.020 without free choice maybe

02:36:39.880 we have to distinguish

02:36:40.860 between good and evil now

02:36:42.000 that we have the capacity to

02:36:43.160 actually apprehend them

02:36:44.520 maybe that's what life is

02:36:46.060 about maybe that's the

02:36:47.460 separating of the wheat from

02:36:48.500 the chaff see that's the 0.99

02:36:49.520 idea in revelation right

02:36:50.640 because when Christ comes

02:36:51.940 back in the book of

02:36:52.720 revelation he divides the

02:36:55.320 damned from the saved and

02:36:57.420 the saved are the people who

02:36:58.640 lived in logos roughly

02:37:00.860 speaking and the damned are 0.65

02:37:02.240 those who don't and so

02:37:03.820 there's this idea that

02:37:04.720 there's this dynamic that

02:37:06.140 underlies experience that is

02:37:08.320 in fact that sorting now I

02:37:12.420 don't know what to make of

02:37:13.120 that at all but that's the

02:37:16.560 story but what I can make

02:37:18.820 of that is that I can't put

02:37:22.300 a lever underneath the

02:37:23.620 argument that I just made

02:37:25.200 tonight about the

02:37:26.660 relationship between the

02:37:28.540 development of vision the

02:37:30.000 snake the fruit nakedness

02:37:32.120 time the future work and

02:37:35.120 most importantly the

02:37:36.060 emergence of evil that seems

02:37:38.020 to me to be I cannot find a

02:37:40.760 way to undermine that

02:37:42.600 argument it seems I can't

02:37:45.700 break it and that's what

02:37:46.560 I'm always looking for when

02:37:47.720 I'm trying to formulate

02:37:48.580 ideas I'm trying to look

02:37:49.740 for something that no

02:37:50.940 matter how hard I try I

02:37:52.260 cannot break and I can't

02:37:54.140 break that set of ideas

02:37:55.200 now what the full

02:37:56.900 implication is of that set of

02:37:58.800 ideas God only knows

02:38:00.560 right but but I could say

02:38:08.540 also practically you know

02:38:09.720 one of the things that I've

02:38:10.780 observed is that lies and

02:38:13.800 deception destroy people's

02:38:15.140 lives and when they start

02:38:16.920 telling the truth and acting

02:38:18.020 it out things get a lot

02:38:20.180 better

02:38:20.700 gotta stop

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The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast - July 01, 2017

Adam and Eve： Self-Consciousness, Evil, and Death

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