The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast - Beyond Order： Another 12 Rules for Life

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00:00:57.000 Welcome to Season 2, Episode 40 of the Jordan B. Peterson Podcast.

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00:01:05.000 Today's episode is a 12 Rules for Life lecture, recorded in San Diego on January 25th, 2019, named Beyond Order, Another 12 Rules for Life.

00:01:15.000 This podcast gives you rules that have not been discussed before.

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00:05:53.000 Beyond Order, another 12 rules for life, a Jordan B. Peterson lecture.

00:06:02.000 Well, thank you. Much appreciated.

00:06:19.000 It's very nice to be here in San Diego. It's a lovely city.

00:06:24.000 I had a very nice time walking on Coronado Beach. Is that right today?

00:06:28.000 That was very good. It's a lot better than 25 below, which is what it is in Toronto right now.

00:06:35.000 So, yeah, you know what they say, Canada is the world's largest uninhabitable country.

00:06:42.000 And coming down here sure makes it seem that way.

00:06:47.000 So, as Dave said, this is the last American show of the 12 rules for life tour, I think, by all appearances.

00:06:56.000 And so it's been quite the trip. It's about 115 cities, about 250,000 people.

00:07:04.000 Usually in venues of approximately this size, sometimes in Europe a little bit smaller.

00:07:10.000 Some of them were bigger. The biggest auditorium, the biggest stadium, I guess, was with Sam Harris.

00:07:17.000 And that was in Dublin. We had about 8,500 people to that. So that was quite unfathomable, I would say.

00:07:26.000 And, yeah, very difficult to believe that people would…

00:07:30.000 That people were so interested in what ended up being approximately an eight-hour discussion on the relationship between facts and value.

00:07:37.000 You see, you know, the relationship between religion and science.

00:07:40.000 It's really something to see that there's a massive public hunger, let's say, or massive public audience for complicated discourse.

00:07:49.000 You know, who would have guessed that that was the case?

00:07:52.000 But it's really been something to see.

00:07:55.000 So I thought… I'd do two things tonight.

00:07:57.000 I thought I would walk through 12 rules for life.

00:08:00.000 And sort of… it would give me a chance to sort of sum up what I think about each of the chapters.

00:08:08.000 And what I've come to… what I've come to think about them across time as I've continued to talk about them.

00:08:14.000 But I also thought I might tell you about the next book that I'm writing, which I'm well into now.

00:08:21.000 I haven't really talked about it publicly at all yet.

00:08:25.000 So I thought I'd let you in on it.

00:08:28.000 It's called Beyond Order.

00:08:31.000 Another 12 Rules for Life.

00:08:34.000 I had derived the first 12 from a list of rules that I'd put on Quora,

00:08:40.000 which is a site where anyone can post questions and anyone can post answers.

00:08:44.000 Originally, there were 42 rules.

00:08:47.000 I wrote them all very rapidly.

00:08:49.000 And the fact that there were 42 was… well, that's just how it worked out.

00:08:55.000 It wasn't planned that way exactly.

00:08:57.000 And that series of rules became very popular on Quora, which was part of the impetus for the book for 12 Rules for Life.

00:09:07.000 And I thought I would write about all 42 to begin with.

00:09:11.000 But as I started to write, the essays became longer than I thought they would be.

00:09:16.000 And so I took 12 of them and crafted them into a book that I felt had standalone chapters, but that also integrated itself into something that was also a book.

00:09:29.000 And so I'm doing the same thing with the next 12.

00:09:33.000 And I thought maybe I'd start by telling you what those next 12 rules are.

00:09:37.000 You might be interested in that.

00:09:39.000 Yeah.

00:09:40.000 So, okay.

00:09:41.000 That'd be good.

00:09:42.000 And I've sketched out the whole book and I've really written, thoroughly written six rules and edited them.

00:09:55.000 The editing is quite painstaking.

00:09:58.000 I should tell you a little bit about that.

00:10:00.000 I mean, some of you might be interested in the technique of writing.

00:10:05.000 Those of you that are interested in writing might find it useful, the discussion of the technique.

00:10:12.000 And those of you who aren't necessarily interested in writing might still be interested in how that comes about.

00:10:19.000 So, the first thing I do, and I think this is a good way of approaching something that you're writing.

00:10:26.000 It's a very good way of approaching anything that you're thinking about, is I write out what I'm thinking about without a lot of self-editing.

00:10:37.000 You know, one of the things I've noticed when undergraduates write essays, which they can't do, by the way.

00:10:44.000 Writing's quite hard and people don't really learn it and it's not easy to teach.

00:10:50.000 And so, I have taught a lot of undergraduates how to write.

00:10:54.000 And you can actually teach people to write quite quickly, but you have to know how to do it.

00:10:58.000 And most of the people who teach kids how to write don't know how to write and so they can't teach it.

00:11:04.000 Or they don't know how to teach it, but it doesn't matter, really, which of those it is.

00:11:11.000 I have on my website at jordanbpeterson.com, you can download a guideline for writing that I used for my students.

00:11:20.000 And it's a very practical document if you have to write.

00:11:23.000 Many of you do have to write, because generally, you know, you have to produce documents at work or you have to produce arguments of one form or another.

00:11:32.000 So, it turns out that it's very important to write.

00:11:35.000 And so, the first step is to have a problem that you're trying to address that's useful and interesting.

00:11:45.000 It has to be something that grips you, because otherwise, why would you bother writing about it?

00:11:48.000 It has to be something important.

00:11:49.000 It has to be a problem that you're really trying to solve.

00:11:52.000 And I would say, you generally want to write about something that you don't know the answer to.

00:11:59.000 You know?

00:12:00.000 Because one of the things you want to do when you're writing is you want to take the reader on the journey of deriving the conclusion,

00:12:08.000 rather than just presenting it sort of as a fait accompli.

00:12:14.000 If the writing is exciting, and this is the same if you're delivering a talk.

00:12:19.000 If the writing is exciting, then there's a journey of discovery that characterizes it.

00:12:25.000 You know?

00:12:26.000 And genuine literature is really like that.

00:12:28.000 You see that this is one of the reasons I really love Dostoevsky, for example,

00:12:31.000 is that it's pretty obvious if you read a Dostoevsky novel that he didn't know where he was going

00:12:37.000 from the beginning.

00:12:39.000 Right?

00:12:40.000 It unfolded.

00:12:41.000 The characters had their life, and their ideas unfolded as he wrote about them.

00:12:45.000 And he was discovering something he didn't understand along the way.

00:12:49.000 That's sort of what distinguishes great literature from propaganda.

00:12:52.000 If you're a propagandist, you know exactly what you're trying to accomplish right off the bat.

00:12:57.000 And you craft all your characters to make sure that the message that you already know is the one that's delivered.

00:13:02.000 You see that propaganda, literary propaganda.

00:13:05.000 You see that in visual propaganda at all as well.

00:13:07.000 But if you're genuinely creative, that isn't what you do.

00:13:11.000 Is you have a problem, whatever the problem might be, and then you try to explore it, and you attempt.

00:13:18.000 That's what essay means.

00:13:19.000 You attempt to formulate the problem more clearly.

00:13:23.000 You try to formulate the answer.

00:13:25.000 So the first thing you do is you have your problem, and then you do your background research, your reading, so that you have some knowledge about the domain, at least.

00:13:35.000 Or you do some thinking.

00:13:36.000 And then you write.

00:13:37.000 And you write without too much self-criticism.

00:13:41.000 You know, if you're not a good writer, or if you don't know what you're doing, what you try to do is you try to write each sentence so that the sentence is perfect when you write it.

00:13:50.000 So that you don't have to edit.

00:13:52.000 And that won't work, because you're not capable of doing that.

00:13:54.000 There is no bloody way in the world that you can come up with a sentence that is high quality in content and properly formulated in an elegant manner all at once.

00:14:05.000 That's not happening.

00:14:06.000 No one can do that.

00:14:08.000 So, you know, if you're making a movie, you produce way more footage than you're ever going to use in the movie.

00:14:15.000 And that's actually quite convenient, because then you have an excess of material, and you can choose the best from it.

00:14:21.000 And that's what you want to do when you write.

00:14:23.000 So you write to begin with.

00:14:24.000 You just write down everything you think.

00:14:26.000 And if you get stuck, you write, I'm stuck here.

00:14:29.000 And you just keep going.

00:14:30.000 You know, seriously.

00:14:31.000 You don't want to stop.

00:14:32.000 And you don't want to criticize yourself.

00:14:34.000 You don't want to worry about how the sentences are formulated and all of that.

00:14:38.000 And then you have a bad first draft, which is a wonderful thing to have.

00:14:41.000 Because it's way better to have a terrible first draft than to have nothing at all.

00:14:46.000 And then you can edit it.

00:14:49.000 And you have to assume that what you're going to do when you edit is throw away like 80% of it.

00:14:54.000 And if you know that to begin with, when you're writing, then it loosens you up.

00:14:58.000 Because who cares if what you're writing is perfect if you're going to throw 80% of it away.

00:15:03.000 Right?

00:15:04.000 So you can afford to take some risks and to write down some things that you're not going to keep.

00:15:08.000 That you might not even think are reasonable.

00:15:10.000 Because you're exploring.

00:15:11.000 And you know, you can take chances.

00:15:13.000 Because you're going to throw 80% of it away anyways.

00:15:16.000 And then it turns out that if you're willing to throw 80% of it away.

00:15:22.000 It's sort of analogous to be willing to throw 80% of yourself away as you learn through life, I would say.

00:15:28.000 Then it's much, much easier to produce.

00:15:33.000 It's actually the case that neurologically you have the systems that produce language and the systems that edit are different.

00:15:41.000 And one of the ways that manifests itself, it's quite interesting.

00:15:44.000 Sometimes people who have temporal...

00:15:48.000 What's the dementia?

00:15:50.000 I don't remember the kind.

00:15:52.000 It's temporal...

00:15:53.000 It's frontal temporal dementia.

00:15:55.000 Sometimes it's a variant of Alzheimer's.

00:15:57.000 But sometimes people with frontal temporal dementia get more creative as their dementia progresses.

00:16:05.000 Right?

00:16:06.000 It doesn't make any sense at all.

00:16:07.000 You think, well, as your brain deteriorates, you get more creative.

00:16:10.000 How can that possibly be the case?

00:16:12.000 And the answer is that the editor, the part of the brain that does the editing, the inhibition,

00:16:19.000 deteriorates first and leaves the part that can do the creation outside of that critical realm.

00:16:25.000 And so people can experience bursts of creativity that they never had before in their life.

00:16:30.000 You know, it's still a degenerating game across time.

00:16:32.000 But it's fascinating that that can be the case.

00:16:34.000 And so one of the things you really want to know if you're trying to think something through,

00:16:38.000 something important is don't edit while you're producing.

00:16:42.000 It's a bad idea.

00:16:44.000 And it's greedy in some sense because what it means is that you're trying to do...

00:16:48.000 Like just creating is really hard and just editing is really hard.

00:16:51.000 But to do both of them at the same time?

00:16:53.000 It's like that's just impossible.

00:16:55.000 There's just no way you can do that.

00:16:57.000 And so anyway, so I lay out all the ideas and I'm assuming I'm going to throw away...

00:17:03.000 Oh God, at least 80%.

00:17:05.000 It might be 90% because...

00:17:07.000 Like with my first book, Maps of Meaning, I think I rewrote every sentence at least 50 times.

00:17:13.000 And that's literally the truth.

00:17:17.000 And so it wasn't quite that intense with 12 rules, but it would have been a dozen times at least.

00:17:23.000 Or maybe more than that.

00:17:25.000 And multiple people also editing and commenting to make sure that everything was set out properly.

00:17:31.000 So then the way I manage it technically is I have a...

00:17:37.000 I usually use a split screen.

00:17:38.000 So I have two screens.

00:17:39.000 And I have the, you know, the rough draft on the left-hand side.

00:17:45.000 Then I'll cut a piece of it out.

00:17:47.000 You know, two or three pages long that makes a section.

00:17:51.000 I usually add a section title so that I can pull out a piece that I can kind of grasp intellectually.

00:17:57.000 Because it's hard to edit a whole 30-page document because you can't keep the whole thing in your head.

00:18:01.000 So you have to kind of chunk it down to something that you can manage.

00:18:04.000 Then I'll throw it in the... on the right-hand monitor.

00:18:07.000 And then start organizing it.

00:18:10.000 Go through it sentence by sentence and paragraph by paragraph.

00:18:13.000 And think if you're editing properly.

00:18:15.000 And I'm telling you this because this is actually how you think.

00:18:19.000 If you really want to think something through, this is how to do it.

00:18:22.000 So you... so then you have to edit.

00:18:24.000 And see, what's the... what's the... what's the conceptual framework for editing?

00:18:29.000 Well, the words that you use should be the right words.

00:18:33.000 So you want to attend to every word.

00:18:35.000 And make sure that each word is the exact... is exactly the right word for that position in the sentence.

00:18:42.000 And then you want to make sure that your words fit together properly in... in phrases.

00:18:47.000 Proper phrases.

00:18:48.000 And that the phrases are strung together properly within each sentence.

00:18:53.000 And then you want to make sure that each sentence has its proper place in the paragraph.

00:18:58.000 And then you want to make sure that each paragraph is sequenced appropriately within the context of all the other paragraphs.

00:19:05.000 And then finally you want to make sure that the collection of paragraphs that makes up the section.

00:19:10.000 Or perhaps the chapter.

00:19:12.000 Has a... tells a coherent story.

00:19:15.000 And so you can fail or succeed at every single one of those levels of analysis.

00:19:20.000 One of the things that's really painful about reading or grading badly written undergraduate essays.

00:19:27.000 Is that they fail at every single level.

00:19:31.000 So it's... it's just unbelievably painful.

00:19:34.000 It's like, no.

00:19:36.000 Those are the wrong words.

00:19:37.000 And that's frequently the case.

00:19:39.000 People will use words that they don't really understand.

00:19:41.000 That are two... they're... they're usually large and rare words.

00:19:45.000 And that they don't really understand them.

00:19:47.000 They couldn't use them in... in day-to-day discourse.

00:19:50.000 So they don't understand the connotations.

00:19:52.000 They sort of got the technical meaning approximately right.

00:19:56.000 But it's very awkwardly placed within the sentence.

00:19:59.000 You know, it's like a speed bump.

00:20:01.000 And so... that's a bad idea.

00:20:04.000 You know, because if you use a word you don't understand very well.

00:20:08.000 And you're writing for someone who's dimmer than you.

00:20:12.000 That might work.

00:20:13.000 But if you're writing for someone who actually understands that word.

00:20:16.000 They just think that... well, they think the obvious.

00:20:19.000 Which is that you're trying to look more intelligent than you are.

00:20:22.000 And you're not noticing that it's not working.

00:20:25.000 And so...

00:20:26.000 So, you know, you... you... you... you have to get the word right.

00:20:30.000 And you have to get the phrase right.

00:20:31.000 And you have to get the sentence right.

00:20:33.000 And you have to sequence the sentence properly.

00:20:35.000 And you have to sequence the paragraphs properly.

00:20:37.000 And then the whole thing has to cohere.

00:20:39.000 And... and... as I said.

00:20:41.000 A bad essay can... can be wrong at every single one of those levels of analysis.

00:20:46.000 So that the word choice is bad.

00:20:48.000 The phrasing is awkward.

00:20:49.000 The sentences aren't sentences.

00:20:51.000 They're not strung together in a coherent paragraph.

00:20:54.000 Because a paragraph should be a coherent unit of meaning.

00:20:57.000 They're... they just... there just happens to be a paragraph break every ten lines randomly.

00:21:03.000 And then... there are ideas on page one that completely contradict ideas on page three.

00:21:10.000 Right?

00:21:11.000 And so... trying to grade that is impossible.

00:21:14.000 To... trying to edit it is... it's easier just to burn it and rewrite it.

00:21:18.000 And... so...

00:21:20.000 So...

00:21:21.000 So anyways...

00:21:22.000 So... you know...

00:21:23.000 I... I pull the material onto the... onto the other page.

00:21:26.000 And then I... I'll... I'll start with a preliminary reorganization.

00:21:29.000 And just try to make a better draft.

00:21:31.000 And then... put that back.

00:21:34.000 And then I pull out one paragraph at a time.

00:21:37.000 Or... or... pull out a paragraph.

00:21:39.000 And... break it up into the sentences.

00:21:41.000 So... you put the sentence out.

00:21:43.000 You put a couple of spaces between it and the next sentence.

00:21:45.000 So you... you... unpack the paragraph.

00:21:48.000 And then you can rewrite each sentence.

00:21:51.000 And I mean that literally.

00:21:52.000 See... like you have a sentence.

00:21:53.000 So then you rewrite it.

00:21:55.000 And then you rewrite it again.

00:21:56.000 And you rewrite it again.

00:21:57.000 Now you have four of the same sentences.

00:21:59.000 And now you can figure out which of those sentences is better.

00:22:01.000 And you get rid of the three that are worse.

00:22:03.000 And so now... the first sentence is improved.

00:22:05.000 And then you do the same thing for all the other sentences.

00:22:07.000 And then you see.

00:22:08.000 Okay.

00:22:09.000 Well are those sentences in the right order?

00:22:10.000 And you reorder them.

00:22:11.000 Until you get them in the right order.

00:22:13.000 Maybe you throw a few away.

00:22:14.000 And I often keep the things I throw away.

00:22:16.000 I have a little...

00:22:17.000 What will you call it?

00:22:19.000 Document called culls.

00:22:21.000 And I just throw things in there.

00:22:22.000 And sometimes I find a place for them somewhere else.

00:22:25.000 But then...

00:22:26.000 No.

00:22:27.000 The sentences are written much more elegantly.

00:22:29.000 And they're in the right order.

00:22:30.000 And then I look at the paragraph.

00:22:32.000 And... that's rewritten.

00:22:33.000 And then I look at the old paragraph.

00:22:34.000 And if the new paragraph is better than the old paragraph.

00:22:37.000 Then I replace it.

00:22:38.000 And then I go and do the same thing with the next paragraph.

00:22:40.000 And then...

00:22:41.000 Maybe I do that like...

00:22:42.000 Ten times.

00:22:43.000 And then...

00:22:45.000 I can tell when I'm done.

00:22:47.000 Because...

00:22:48.000 When I'm done.

00:22:49.000 It's not that it's finished.

00:22:50.000 Because...

00:22:51.000 Something like that's never finished in some sense.

00:22:53.000 But...

00:22:54.000 I know when I'm done editing.

00:22:55.000 Because...

00:22:56.000 I'll write a...

00:22:57.000 I'll do that.

00:22:58.000 You know...

00:22:59.000 I'll take a paragraph.

00:23:00.000 Take it apart.

00:23:01.000 And make a new paragraph.

00:23:02.000 Which paragraph is better?

00:23:04.000 And so once I've got to the point where I can't make the paragraph any better.

00:23:08.000 That's it.

00:23:09.000 I...

00:23:10.000 I'm finished.

00:23:11.000 I can't make it any...

00:23:12.000 You know...

00:23:13.000 That doesn't mean it's good.

00:23:14.000 It just means that I can't make it any better.

00:23:16.000 Right?

00:23:17.000 And...

00:23:18.000 And...

00:23:19.000 It actually gets dangerous near the end.

00:23:20.000 Because...

00:23:21.000 If you're...

00:23:22.000 Let's say...

00:23:23.000 You're feeling pretty bright one day.

00:23:24.000 And you're kind of alert.

00:23:25.000 And...

00:23:26.000 Clear ahead.

00:23:27.000 And you...

00:23:28.000 And you improve a paragraph.

00:23:29.000 And you have a better paragraph.

00:23:30.000 Maybe the next day you're kind of muddle-headed and stupid.

00:23:32.000 And so...

00:23:33.000 You take a paragraph and you edit it.

00:23:34.000 This is near the end of the editing process.

00:23:36.000 And you make a worse paragraph.

00:23:38.000 But you're too dim to notice.

00:23:39.000 And then you replace the...

00:23:41.000 Perfectly good paragraph with the worst one.

00:23:43.000 Then you've gone too far.

00:23:45.000 And so a good editor can help with that.

00:23:47.000 And then...

00:23:48.000 You know...

00:23:49.000 During the process.

00:23:50.000 If you're fortunate.

00:23:51.000 You have an editor who's...

00:23:53.000 Who you're submitting the work to.

00:23:55.000 Who then...

00:23:56.000 Tells you.

00:23:57.000 You know...

00:23:58.000 Where things don't flow.

00:23:59.000 And...

00:24:00.000 Where you're being arrogant or egotistical or...

00:24:02.000 Or unclear.

00:24:03.000 Or you've got your facts wrong.

00:24:04.000 Or...

00:24:05.000 The sentences don't flow.

00:24:06.000 And then if you have any sense.

00:24:07.000 You listen to the editor.

00:24:09.000 Because the editor...

00:24:10.000 At least in principle.

00:24:11.000 Reflects the audience.

00:24:12.000 And so...

00:24:13.000 If an editor makes a comment...

00:24:15.000 On something I've written.

00:24:16.000 And I was kind of happy about it.

00:24:17.000 I'll usually rewrite it.

00:24:19.000 Until I get something that...

00:24:21.000 Deals with what the editor said.

00:24:23.000 That I like just as well as what I had written to begin with.

00:24:26.000 And then I'll substitute it.

00:24:27.000 And then...

00:24:28.000 That also keeps the editor happy.

00:24:29.000 Because...

00:24:30.000 You know...

00:24:31.000 You don't want to ignore your editor.

00:24:32.000 Because...

00:24:33.000 They're working hard trying to make the thing better.

00:24:35.000 So...

00:24:36.000 What good is it to...

00:24:37.000 Ignore it?

00:24:38.000 It's useful to be criticized.

00:24:39.000 And...

00:24:40.000 I've had some very good editors.

00:24:41.000 So anyways...

00:24:42.000 That's basically how that works.

00:24:44.000 And so...

00:24:45.000 That's...

00:24:46.000 Those are useful things to know.

00:24:47.000 Technically.

00:24:48.000 You know...

00:24:49.000 It's...

00:24:50.000 You think...

00:24:51.000 Well...

00:24:52.000 You can make a bad first draft.

00:24:53.000 If any of you have to write complex documents...

00:24:54.000 That's a perfect way to approach it.

00:24:55.000 It's like...

00:24:56.000 Write a really bad draft as fast as you can.

00:24:58.000 Then you've got something.

00:24:59.000 And then you can do the editing.

00:25:01.000 The other thing I do too...

00:25:02.000 Is I read all the sentences aloud.

00:25:04.000 Because...

00:25:05.000 If a sentence...

00:25:06.000 That helps with the poetic element of it.

00:25:08.000 If a sentence is crafted...

00:25:10.000 Optimally...

00:25:11.000 Not only does it say what you want it to say...

00:25:13.000 But when you read it...

00:25:14.000 It has a...

00:25:15.000 Rhythm.

00:25:16.000 And...

00:25:17.000 That actually turned out to be very helpful.

00:25:19.000 Even Maps of Meaning was like that.

00:25:21.000 Because I...

00:25:22.000 Although it's a much more difficult book.

00:25:23.000 That was my first book.

00:25:24.000 Um...

00:25:25.000 It has some...

00:25:26.000 You know...

00:25:27.000 Five or six line sentences in it.

00:25:29.000 And...

00:25:30.000 But...

00:25:31.000 They have a rhythm.

00:25:32.000 And so when I did the audio book...

00:25:33.000 It was much easier than it would have otherwise been.

00:25:35.000 Because...

00:25:36.000 There was a rhythm in the sentences.

00:25:37.000 And it was much easier to read aloud.

00:25:39.000 And...

00:25:40.000 And so that's nice.

00:25:41.000 And if...

00:25:42.000 If you read a book that...

00:25:43.000 That has been written...

00:25:44.000 That has been read aloud by the author.

00:25:46.000 Then it sort of sings.

00:25:48.000 And...

00:25:49.000 It makes it much easier to read.

00:25:50.000 And...

00:25:51.000 And then you can also play with the music of the sentences.

00:25:53.000 The words in the sentences.

00:25:54.000 And...

00:25:55.000 And that's...

00:25:56.000 That's a...

00:25:57.000 A lovely thing too.

00:25:58.000 And...

00:25:59.000 You know...

00:26:00.000 It's...

00:26:01.000 It's a wonderful thing to be able to concentrate on...

00:26:02.000 On something like that.

00:26:03.000 Because it...

00:26:04.000 It really cleans up your thinking.

00:26:06.000 This is one of the things that...

00:26:08.000 That I've strived to talk to my...

00:26:10.000 Undergraduate students about.

00:26:11.000 My graduate students as well.

00:26:12.000 It's like...

00:26:13.000 Well why would you bother writing an essay?

00:26:15.000 Why bother?

00:26:16.000 Well because you need the grade.

00:26:17.000 It's like...

00:26:18.000 Well why would you prepare a document?

00:26:19.000 It's like...

00:26:20.000 Well you know...

00:26:21.000 It's a requirement for work.

00:26:22.000 It's like...

00:26:23.000 No.

00:26:24.000 That's not the reason.

00:26:25.000 The reason is...

00:26:26.000 You pick something that's worth thinking about.

00:26:27.000 And then you think about it.

00:26:28.000 Because then you've thought about it.

00:26:30.000 And it's useful to have thought about things.

00:26:33.000 You know...

00:26:34.000 Assuming that...

00:26:35.000 Assuming that we think so that we don't do foolish things in our lives.

00:26:39.000 The better you get at thinking.

00:26:41.000 The...

00:26:42.000 The clearer apprehension you have about the nature of the world.

00:26:45.000 And your place in it.

00:26:46.000 And to pay attention to each word and each phrase and each sentence.

00:26:50.000 When you're dealing with a complicated problem.

00:26:52.000 It pays off massively.

00:26:54.000 You know...

00:26:55.000 And it...

00:26:56.000 It clears you up.

00:26:57.000 There's good evidence for that.

00:26:58.000 You know...

00:26:59.000 If you have people write about their past.

00:27:01.000 Then...

00:27:02.000 They tend to shed the baggage that they're carrying.

00:27:05.000 If you have them write about their futures.

00:27:07.000 They're much more likely to put those plans into action and be successful.

00:27:12.000 And so...

00:27:13.000 I mean...

00:27:14.000 It shouldn't be that surprising if you think about it.

00:27:15.000 Because it shouldn't surprise you that thinking is useful.

00:27:19.000 But it might surprise you.

00:27:21.000 Even though people don't do it that often.

00:27:23.000 Um...

00:27:24.000 Because it's difficult.

00:27:25.000 But...

00:27:26.000 It...

00:27:27.000 It is somewhat of a surprise to think of writing as...

00:27:29.000 As...

00:27:30.000 What would you call it?

00:27:31.000 Technically sophisticated thinking.

00:27:33.000 The huge advantage to writing.

00:27:35.000 And it's a massive advantage with a word processor.

00:27:39.000 Because editing is cheap with a word processor.

00:27:41.000 Right?

00:27:42.000 I mean...

00:27:43.000 40 years ago when you...

00:27:44.000 When you were writing by hand or typing.

00:27:46.000 If you made a mistake in a sentence.

00:27:47.000 You had to retype the whole damn page.

00:27:49.000 You know?

00:27:50.000 It was really annoying.

00:27:51.000 Now if you write a bad sentence.

00:27:52.000 You can rewrite it 10 times.

00:27:53.000 And it's...

00:27:54.000 The cost of that is virtually zero.

00:27:56.000 And so what it means is you can continually edit and improve what you think.

00:28:00.000 And you can make that more elegant and more powerful.

00:28:03.000 And that's...

00:28:04.000 And...

00:28:05.000 That has unbelievable practical utility.

00:28:07.000 You know?

00:28:08.000 It...

00:28:09.000 As you progress through life.

00:28:10.000 One of the things you realize.

00:28:11.000 Especially if you're dealing with people in relatively sophisticated situations.

00:28:14.000 But...

00:28:15.000 It doesn't really matter.

00:28:16.000 Is that...

00:28:17.000 Those who formulate the best arguments win.

00:28:21.000 They win everything.

00:28:22.000 Right?

00:28:23.000 They...

00:28:24.000 They negotiate more effectively at work.

00:28:26.000 People are more likely to...

00:28:28.000 To listen to and abide by the plans that they formulate.

00:28:31.000 They formulate better plans.

00:28:33.000 They can negotiate better with their spouse and their children.

00:28:36.000 Because they're articulate.

00:28:37.000 And...

00:28:38.000 It's...

00:28:39.000 It's such a funny thing.

00:28:40.000 Because...

00:28:41.000 It's so...

00:28:42.000 Seldomly the case.

00:28:43.000 You know?

00:28:44.000 What's the utility of a liberal arts degree?

00:28:45.000 Well...

00:28:46.000 Right now...

00:28:47.000 Damn little.

00:28:48.000 I would say.

00:28:49.000 But...

00:28:50.000 Previously...

00:28:51.000 The whole idea was...

00:28:52.000 Well...

00:28:53.000 It would teach you to communicate.

00:28:54.000 It would teach you to write.

00:28:55.000 Well...

00:28:56.000 Why is that useful?

00:28:57.000 Well...

00:28:58.000 Because if you could communicate effectively.

00:28:59.000 Then...

00:29:00.000 You always do better.

00:29:01.000 At everything.

00:29:02.000 You know?

00:29:03.000 And it doesn't matter what...

00:29:05.000 Whatever you're...

00:29:06.000 You're pursuing.

00:29:07.000 You know?

00:29:08.000 If you're a housing contractor.

00:29:09.000 And you have to negotiate with your clients.

00:29:11.000 If you can formulate your plans and your arguments in an articulate way.

00:29:14.000 You're way ahead of the game.

00:29:16.000 And...

00:29:17.000 It...

00:29:18.000 It sharpens you up in such a remarkable way.

00:29:20.000 So...

00:29:21.000 Anyways.

00:29:22.000 It's one of the wonderful things about being able to write.

00:29:24.000 Is that...

00:29:25.000 It does give you that chance to really sit and think things through.

00:29:28.000 And so...

00:29:29.000 It's...

00:29:30.000 It's something I would highly recommend.

00:29:31.000 It's a hard thing to do.

00:29:32.000 But you can do a little bit of it every day.

00:29:34.000 That's another thing.

00:29:35.000 If you're ever interested in writing.

00:29:36.000 Here's something else that's practical.

00:29:38.000 I learned this partly from Hemingway.

00:29:40.000 Because Hemingway wrote a little bit about writing.

00:29:42.000 And he was very good at it.

00:29:43.000 He did a lot of throwing away.

00:29:45.000 You know?

00:29:46.000 One of his rules was...

00:29:47.000 If you took a sentence.

00:29:48.000 And you're trying to fix it.

00:29:50.000 One of the first things you do.

00:29:51.000 Is throw it all...

00:29:52.000 Every word you can possibly get rid of in that sentence.

00:29:55.000 And still have the sentence make sense.

00:29:57.000 And one of the things that I often tell my undergraduates.

00:30:00.000 When they're trying to fix their writing.

00:30:02.000 Is...

00:30:03.000 Go through and shorten every sentence by 25%.

00:30:05.000 And then do the same thing with the essay.

00:30:07.000 Throw away 15% of it.

00:30:09.000 Shorten the sentences.

00:30:10.000 Shorten the essay.

00:30:11.000 It'll improve it by a factor of 2.

00:30:13.000 And then they try that.

00:30:14.000 And their writing quality goes way up.

00:30:17.000 So that's a nice thing to know.

00:30:18.000 And Hemingway also said that if you want to write.

00:30:20.000 You should write a little bit every day.

00:30:22.000 And there was some evidence of that.

00:30:23.000 I read a book when I was a first university professor.

00:30:26.000 Called The New Faculty Member.

00:30:29.000 And it was an empirical study of why faculty members failed.

00:30:33.000 And most of them do.

00:30:35.000 And most people in most positions fail.

00:30:37.000 I think the evidence is something like 50% of middle managers add negative net value to their companies.

00:30:44.000 It's something like that.

00:30:45.000 Yeah.

00:30:46.000 Well, you know.

00:30:47.000 People operate in failure mode.

00:30:49.000 Frequently.

00:30:50.000 And one of the mistakes that faculty members made.

00:30:56.000 They made two.

00:30:57.000 One was if they were teaching.

00:30:59.000 And they were doing badly at it.

00:31:01.000 They prepared more.

00:31:02.000 And that made their lectures worse.

00:31:05.000 And the second was that if they weren't writing.

00:31:10.000 Then they would wait until they had large blocks of time.

00:31:14.000 Where they could concentrate on writing.

00:31:16.000 Because people often think.

00:31:17.000 Well, I have a novel I'd like to write.

00:31:19.000 One day I'll have enough time.

00:31:21.000 And I'll sit down and do it.

00:31:22.000 It's like that will never happen.

00:31:24.000 That will never ever happen.

00:31:26.000 You will never have enough time to write your novel.

00:31:29.000 Because your time isn't your own.

00:31:31.000 Your time is distributed among other people.

00:31:34.000 And if you want to take some time for something that you want to do.

00:31:38.000 That's personal like that.

00:31:40.000 And that's private.

00:31:41.000 You have to steal that time.

00:31:43.000 Away.

00:31:44.000 And everyone's going to object to it.

00:31:46.000 And so you can't steal that much.

00:31:48.000 You have to steal it in a sort of a sneaky way.

00:31:51.000 You have to sneak off.

00:31:52.000 And have your own time.

00:31:54.000 And so maybe you could write half an hour a day.

00:31:56.000 Or maybe you could write 15 minutes a day.

00:31:59.000 Or maybe you could write 45 minutes a day.

00:32:01.000 I spent some time in my life writing three hours a day.

00:32:04.000 But I had to like.

00:32:05.000 I had to viciously discipline my family.

00:32:08.000 Before I could ever get to that point.

00:32:10.000 You know.

00:32:11.000 And something like a junkyard dog.

00:32:13.000 So defending my time.

00:32:14.000 But this is something that's really important to know.

00:32:17.000 Like if you want to write.

00:32:19.000 Then you take a little time every day.

00:32:21.000 And do it.

00:32:22.000 And you know.

00:32:23.000 If you write a page a day.

00:32:24.000 That's 400 pages a year.

00:32:25.000 Right.

00:32:26.000 That's a whole novel in a year.

00:32:28.000 So.

00:32:29.000 So you can get a tremendous distance.

00:32:31.000 Doing a little bit every day.

00:32:33.000 That's a.

00:32:34.000 That's a good thing to know.

00:32:35.000 About whatever it is that you want to.

00:32:38.000 Pull into your life.

00:32:39.000 You can steal a little bit of time every day.

00:32:41.000 But if you wait until.

00:32:43.000 The luxury of having a week to write.

00:32:45.000 Or a month to write.

00:32:46.000 Or even a weekend to write on a regular basis.

00:32:49.000 Like that's never going to happen.

00:32:51.000 Your.

00:32:52.000 Your time is valuable.

00:32:53.000 And other people will use it up.

00:32:55.000 On.

00:32:56.000 Also important.

00:32:57.000 But short term things.

00:32:58.000 So.

00:32:59.000 So anyways.

00:33:00.000 That's.

00:33:01.000 That's a bit of a.

00:33:02.000 Discussion of the technical process.

00:33:04.000 And so I'm back into that right now.

00:33:06.000 Writing this next book.

00:33:08.000 And.

00:33:09.000 The idea is this.

00:33:11.000 The first book was an antidote to chaos.

00:33:13.000 And.

00:33:14.000 It was an attempt to explain that.

00:33:15.000 While we need a certain amount of order.

00:33:17.000 What we need more than order even though.

00:33:19.000 Is.

00:33:20.000 A balance between order and chaos.

00:33:22.000 And so.

00:33:23.000 I'm.

00:33:24.000 I'm trying to.

00:33:25.000 I'm trying to represent that.

00:33:27.000 In the juxtaposition of the two books.

00:33:29.000 The first one will be.

00:33:30.000 Was published as a white cover.

00:33:32.000 And this one will be published with a black cover.

00:33:34.000 So that'll be a nice.

00:33:35.000 Juxtaposition.

00:33:36.000 And.

00:33:37.000 I hope at some point.

00:33:38.000 That they'll be available as a two volume set.

00:33:40.000 And.

00:33:41.000 One is a bit of a disquisition on.

00:33:42.000 The dangers of chaos.

00:33:43.000 And the other.

00:33:44.000 A disquisition on the dangers of order.

00:33:46.000 And so.

00:33:47.000 And then.

00:33:48.000 And the necessity for balancing them.

00:33:50.000 So here's.

00:33:51.000 Here's some of the new rules.

00:33:53.000 So.

00:33:54.000 The first one is.

00:33:56.000 Do not carelessly denigrate social.

00:33:59.000 Institutions.

00:34:01.000 Or creative achievement.

00:34:03.000 I like.

00:34:04.000 I like that one.

00:34:05.000 Because.

00:34:06.000 You're more.

00:34:07.000 Prone to carelessly denigrate social institutions.

00:34:10.000 If you're liberal.

00:34:11.000 On the left side of the spectrum.

00:34:13.000 Let's say.

00:34:14.000 Because.

00:34:15.000 You're interested in.

00:34:17.000 Lateral thinking.

00:34:18.000 And spontaneity.

00:34:19.000 And.

00:34:20.000 And novelty.

00:34:21.000 And.

00:34:22.000 Leary of.

00:34:24.000 Of.

00:34:25.000 What would you say.

00:34:26.000 Structures that constrain.

00:34:28.000 And then.

00:34:29.000 If you're.

00:34:30.000 More on the.

00:34:31.000 Center.

00:34:32.000 Or the right.

00:34:33.000 You're more likely to denigrate creative achievement.

00:34:35.000 Because.

00:34:36.000 Well the creative types.

00:34:37.000 You know.

00:34:38.000 They're always.

00:34:39.000 Moving laterally.

00:34:40.000 Taking things apart.

00:34:41.000 And.

00:34:42.000 I mean.

00:34:43.000 I mean.

00:34:44.000 The genuinely creative types.

00:34:45.000 You know.

00:34:46.000 The ones who are on the avant-garde.

00:34:47.000 And.

00:34:48.000 They're a bit of a threat.

00:34:49.000 To social institutions.

00:34:50.000 But.

00:34:51.000 The truth of the matter.

00:34:52.000 Is that.

00:34:53.000 You need both.

00:34:54.000 There's a.

00:34:55.000 There's this old.

00:34:56.000 There's this.

00:34:57.000 Line in.

00:34:58.000 Ellis.

00:34:59.000 In Wonderland.

00:35:00.000 When.

00:35:01.000 Ellis goes down the rabbit hole.

00:35:02.000 Underneath the structure of things.

00:35:03.000 And she meets the red queen.

00:35:04.000 Down there.

00:35:05.000 Red queen.

00:35:06.000 Is basically.

00:35:07.000 Mother nature.

00:35:08.000 And she's red.

00:35:09.000 Why.

00:35:10.000 The red queen.

00:35:11.000 Is always.

00:35:12.000 Running around.

00:35:13.000 Yelling off.

00:35:14.000 With their heads.

00:35:15.000 You know.

00:35:16.000 She's.

00:35:17.000 She's the queen.

00:35:18.000 Of mayhem.

00:35:19.000 And murder.

00:35:20.000 In the same place.

00:35:21.000 And that's.

00:35:22.000 Really.

00:35:23.000 That's.

00:35:24.000 The fundamental.

00:35:25.000 Flaw.

00:35:26.000 Of.

00:35:27.000 Rigid.

00:35:28.000 Conservatism.

00:35:29.000 Is.

00:35:30.000 That.

00:35:31.000 You cannot.

00:35:32.000 Stay.

00:35:33.000 In the same place.

00:35:34.000 Because.

00:35:35.000 Everything around you.

00:35:36.000 Shifts.

00:35:37.000 And so.

00:35:38.000 You're.

00:35:39.000 Forced to update.

00:35:40.000 And.

00:35:41.000 And.

00:35:42.000 To.

00:35:43.000 To.

00:35:44.000 To.

00:35:45.000 To.

00:35:46.000 To.

00:35:47.000 To.

00:35:48.000 To.

00:35:49.000 To.

00:35:50.000 To.

00:35:51.000 The.

00:35:52.000 The.

00:35:53.000 Not gonna happen, you know, I mean you don't even stay the same right you sit there anything

00:35:57.940 I'm just gonna stay the same and and you don't you get old and

00:36:02.300 and it

00:36:03.600 Right right. I mean it it just happens and because of that you have to you have to update and it's the creative types

00:36:10.660 That do the updating now, you know that can get out of hand and things can you know

00:36:15.040 You can get so many people creative people

00:36:17.840 destabilizing this the the current situation so that nothing is

00:36:23.000 Reliable and that that that untrammeled creativity can be a destructive force. That's its danger

00:36:31.880 But it's necessary

00:36:33.880 To respect cultural institutions and also to respect the process that updates them and so that's what that chapters about and so

00:36:43.280 Imagine who you could be and then aim single-mindedly at that see I like that one

00:36:48.220 The single-mindedly part is an interesting one

00:36:54.640 What I learned this at least in part from Nietzsche is you know when you're a kid in principle you could be anything

00:37:00.920 Which is kind of one of the wonderful things about being a kid and then one of the painful things about growing up and being

00:37:06.880 An adult is that well, you can't just stay be in everything that's the story of Peter Pan

00:37:12.100 Pan right pan means everything and Peter Pan is this

00:37:16.900 magical child you know who can do anything but

00:37:21.940 He's just he's got a strange kingdom, right? He's king of the lost boys, which

00:37:27.600 perhaps isn't a kingdom that you want to rule over and

00:37:31.100 and so and

00:37:33.100 He doesn't grow up and so he falls in love with wendy and

00:37:38.140 And wendy grows up and she has a family she gets old she stops being a child

00:37:42.680 But she has a family she has a husband and she has a family

00:37:45.300 She has a life and Peter Pan just stays in Neverland

00:37:48.220 Which is also a hint on the part of the reader and he stays magical and contents himself with Tinkerbell who I always think of her as the porn fairy and

00:37:56.440 and

00:38:04.640 Yeah, she's got all the advantages of femininity except she's not real yeah

00:38:14.660 Yeah, and so you know Pete Peter Pan he doesn't want to grow up partly because his role model is Captain Hook and Captain Hook

00:38:22.260 Well, you think about he's a pirate, so he's kind of a tyrant and he's also a coward and he's a coward because he's

00:38:29.320 Well, he's afraid at least because he's being chased by a crocodile with a clock in his stomach

00:38:33.620 You think what the hell does that mean? He's being chased by a croquet. What does that mean?

00:38:37.920 It's like well, and it's already got a piece of him, right? It's bitten off his hand. It liked the taste. Well, it's time

00:38:44.540 That's why the clock is there, you know

00:38:46.940 It's time and the crocodile is the terrible force that lies underneath everything that waits to pull you down

00:38:53.580 Like it's mortality itself and the threat of mortality

00:38:56.720 and the reason that Captain Hook is a tyrant is because he's afraid of death and and so that makes him a

00:39:02.900 Tyrant and a cowardly tyrant and Peter Pan looks at the cowardly tyrant and he thinks well

00:39:07.460 I don't want to grow up to be that and it's like well fair enough, you know, but

00:39:11.240 What are you going to do not grow up?

00:39:13.480 Well, then you stay king of the lost boys and you have Tinkerbell and life goes on and that's not a good outcome and so

00:39:21.120 You know you have to make a sacrifice when you grow up

00:39:24.820 You have to become something and to become something means to not become a whole bunch of other things like it's a sacrifice

00:39:31.920 It's the same sacrifice that you undertake when you decide to get married, you know, it's like well

00:39:36.820 you forego everyone else to have one person and

00:39:42.920 and it and it isn't it's a real sacrifice and it's a sacrifice that preys on people's minds because they think well, you know

00:39:48.900 Maybe I could have picked someone better

00:39:50.400 It's like because you always suffer from the delusion that someone better would have agreed to have you and

00:39:56.980 Well, it's funny. I just I just read this this great article

00:40:01.640 I tweeted it a couple of nights ago. I read this great article about how people

00:40:06.600 select potential mates on dating sites and they they

00:40:11.000 People generally go for those who are about 25% more attractive than they are

00:40:17.480 So which is you know ambitious and and and ho and and pointless

00:40:23.900 But that is what people do you know they hope that me but I don't know what they hope they hope the person won't notice it's like

00:40:29.500 I just I'll just slip myself in here and maybe you won't notice it's like

00:40:38.280 Well, so there's a sacrifice you know and but the thing about the sacrifice is that you end up with something

00:40:45.400 rather than

00:40:46.880 Nothing at all and I've seen lots of people in my clinical practice

00:40:50.840 You know who didn't grow up when they should have and and who were 30 or which isn't too bad

00:40:55.260 Although it's not that good, but 40 you know, they're still drifting

00:40:59.100 They still haven't catalyzed an identity of any sort and that gets that starts to get ugly

00:41:04.880 You know 30 get starts to get ugly around 30 if you're 23 or 24 and you haven't catalyzed an identity

00:41:11.260 It's okay people think well. You're mostly Peter Pan. You're full of potential man

00:41:15.360 We'll gamble on the potential you know and take a chance at you

00:41:18.840 But then if you're 30 and you have the same non-existent resume people think well

00:41:25.920 You just failed it's not potential. It's just you're just not there and if it's that that's the case at 40

00:41:33.340 That's getting really rough like it's not completely hopeless if you're in that situation at 40, but

00:41:39.680 Man you got a lot of catching up to do and so and so how do you get out of that?

00:41:45.120 Well partly and this is one of the things you also have to let young people know is pick something

00:41:51.260 You don't know what to do well take your best damn shot at it. Don't wait around man make a plan

00:41:57.820 Aim at something move in that direction

00:42:01.020 Adopt a disciplinary routine of some sort because that was that will that will form you now limits you too

00:42:08.840 But it forms you and then you know and then the thing about adopting a disciplinary

00:42:14.220 structure

00:42:15.440 Which limits you and which is a sacrifice is that it also it also?

00:42:20.780 Increases the probability that you're going to do something

00:42:24.480 Useful over the long run, you know

00:42:27.620 when I was starting out as a researcher

00:42:30.820 My area of research was somewhat narrow. I was looking at the heredity

00:42:38.800 I was looking at factors that influenced the

00:42:42.780 Inheritability of alcoholism because alcoholism is heritable to a large degree and it's partly because

00:42:48.840 The manner in which you respond to a drug of abuse is determined in part by biological factors and

00:42:55.860 that the variance in those biological factors is

00:43:01.360 Biologically determined to a fair degree, so

00:43:04.140 I'll give you an example. I had this friend. His name was Frank Irvin. He was a very cool guy

00:43:09.100 He looked like Ernest Hemingway and in a big beard and he was a cool character and he had this ranch

00:43:15.540 In St. Kitts. It was a monkey ranch. I

00:43:19.080 Know I know a monkey ranch and he was raising

00:43:22.580 Alcoholic monkeys and because he was a researcher and and he would take these wild monkeys green monkeys and and

00:43:31.740 Bring them in to an enclosure and then he would give them rum and coke and

00:43:36.760 Five percent of the monkeys would drink to coma on first exposure and he had videotapes of that which were

00:43:44.520 Really hilarious. They looked like they looked like frat party

00:43:48.020 Fundamentally, you know and most of the monkeys would have a few sips and you know and and just discuss

00:43:56.040 their monkey business in

00:44:00.840 You know in a civilized way in a corner and then go home

00:44:04.300 You know when when it was time to call it a night

00:44:06.700 But there was five percent of them and they were like hanging off the trees by their tail in their arms by the end of the evening and and

00:44:13.820 Passed out completely anyways one of his discoveries was that in in a wild population of primates

00:44:22.760 Who were relatively naive to alcohol that if you exposed a certain proportion of them five percent of them had no control whatsoever over their

00:44:30.980 Drinking they just drink right to coma and that's about the same with with people who start to experiment with alcohol

00:44:36.700 So anyways, that's one of the examples that you know that there was there was there was a biological influence anyways

00:44:43.460 this area of

00:44:45.460 Inquiry was somewhat narrower than I had hoped for you know I didn't really I hadn't really planned on studying the

00:44:54.280 Psychobiology of response to alcohol. I was interested in drug abuse and drug abuse motivation

00:44:58.540 I was interested in wider issues

00:44:59.800 But what was so cool was that the deeper I got into that so the more I discipline myself with regards to that particular

00:45:06.560 Domain of study the more I learned about all sorts of other things. It was like going through a

00:45:11.800 Keyhole and then out the other side and most disciplinary

00:45:16.080 Processes are like that and so one of the things you have to do is you take the pluripotentiality of childhood and you discipline that so that there that might be a

00:45:24.560 Meta rule like you couldn't say well

00:45:28.260 Here's the disciplinary structure. Everyone should undertake. That's too specific a rule. You know everybody should go into the military

00:45:36.680 It's like no not necessarily

00:45:38.740 Who knows what your disciplinary strategy should be but you can make a more abstract rule?

00:45:44.220 Which is something like I don't care what your disciplinary strategy is?

00:45:47.800 but you need to impose one on yourself and for some reasonable amount of time because you integrate yourself as a consequence of doing that as well as making yourself you know vaguely

00:45:59.300 Socially useful and appropriate which is also a non-trivial thing and then once you have yourself disciplined

00:46:05.480 Then you can take that discipline stealth and you can start expanding it outward again

00:46:09.420 And so that's a really useful thing to know

00:46:11.800 So this is nietzsche who is a great criticism great critic of christianity was an admirer of catholicism

00:46:20.960 Interestingly enough because one of the things he

00:46:24.800 believed was that

00:46:27.080 the attempt over several thousands of years to force every

00:46:33.520 phenomenon into

00:46:35.520 A framework that could be explained by the axioms of catholic belief

00:46:42.880 disciplined the european mind

00:46:44.680 It it made it it made it capable of producing rigorous and coherent theories

00:46:52.880 Independent of whether the theory was correct. That wasn't the issue

00:46:55.440 It was like well once you learn how to write you can write essay a but you could also write essay b if you don't know how to write

00:47:01.600 You can't write either in a maybe you learn to write by writing essay a but then you can write essay b and c and the same

00:47:07.840 Issue applies here is once you get yourself disciplined then you can take the discipline self

00:47:12.660 And you can go do a bunch of different things with it

00:47:14.740 And so maybe it doesn't matter how you discipline yourself

00:47:17.920 But it really matters that you do and so that's an important thing

00:47:22.000 I think I think it's an important thing for everyone to know

00:47:24.080 But I think it's really an important thing for young people to know it's like well

00:47:27.120 I don't know what to do with myself well don't sit around and get old

00:47:30.820 That's a bad idea and spin around doing nothing. It's like pick something make a mistake

00:47:36.320 Right pick something that you're not sure about and go and pursue it you get a quarter of the way there halfway there

00:47:42.620 You're a lot smarter because you've had to undertake a fair bit of learning just to get that far

00:47:47.360 Maybe at that point you find out it's not for you and you decide to make a left-hand turn

00:47:52.220 You know you make a 90-degree turn somewhere else at least you've fleshed yourself out in the pursuit of the discipline and don't wait around

00:48:00.620 You know and I think that's well, so that's what that chapter is about and so

00:48:04.760 Yeah, and then rule three is analogous to that work as hard as you can as you possibly can on at least one thing and see what happens

00:48:24.060 Well, it is a corollary to that it's like well

00:48:26.860 One of the things you want to discover when you're young or one of the things you want to discover

00:48:32.080 At some point in your life. It's better to discover when you're in your 20s. I think is well

00:48:37.040 Just how hard can you work on something?

00:48:39.300 You know like if you pick something I don't care what it is again you think I'm gonna go flat out on this and see what happens

00:48:46.440 And that's also useful too because there's no other way of really discovering your limits

00:48:51.740 Right and you kind of want to know what your limits are I think

00:48:54.860 One of the things you need to do in your life at some point is push yourself farther than you can go

00:49:01.260 You know so you kind of push yourself past the point of exhaustion

00:49:05.260 Think oh that's good

00:49:07.120 There's the point of exhaustion

00:49:09.340 Well, you can't stay there because if you stay at the point of exhaustion for any length of time

00:49:14.020 Well, then you know you'll you'll degenerate right because that that's just too much

00:49:18.080 But you can find that point and then you can pull back and you can think okay

00:49:22.340 Well, I can't go farther than that

00:49:23.840 I kind of know where my limit is now

00:49:25.840 I can pull back and I can operate within that limit

00:49:28.680 But then at least you know where your limit is

00:49:31.020 And that's an unbelievably useful thing to do

00:49:33.860 As well and the other thing too is is like well

00:49:36.520 How are you ever going to discover if you could possibly be successful

00:49:40.520 At whatever you want to be successful at

00:49:42.940 Unless you push yourself in at least one direction right to your bloody limit

00:49:49.080 And it's another thing you know it's another thing that we don't teach young people

00:49:53.000 And it's quite striking to me because it seems kind of obvious

00:49:56.240 It's like well who are you

00:49:58.020 You're 19 you're 20 who are you

00:50:00.260 Well, you don't bloody know

00:50:01.740 How do you know

00:50:02.980 It's like six years ago you were 13

00:50:05.440 You don't know anything

00:50:06.940 So well so what are you capable of

00:50:10.420 Well you don't know well how are you going to find out well you're going to push yourself

00:50:14.180 At something

00:50:15.480 Farther than you can go

00:50:17.860 And then you have some sense of where your limits are

00:50:20.200 And you know your limits are going to be

00:50:21.400 They're not going to be where you think they are

00:50:23.200 All probability

00:50:24.400 Well some of them will be a little closer than you want them to be

00:50:26.980 But a lot of them you'll be able to push yourself way farther than you think

00:50:30.020 And so that's that's an unbelievably useful thing to do

00:50:33.640 And so that's

00:50:34.900 And then maybe you know if you really wanted to get ambitious about it

00:50:38.600 You could push yourself as far as you could go in five or six different directions

00:50:42.500 And just find out like well where are your contours you know

00:50:46.120 What what it what exactly are the limitations of this form that you're inhabiting

00:50:51.340 And you get some sense of who you are and what you're good for

00:50:54.600 You know and that's a lot

00:50:56.640 This is part of the reason why I'm not happy with this

00:50:59.460 Continual injunction in our society to

00:51:02.040 Well to have more self-esteem or to be happy

00:51:04.700 It's like well first of all good luck with being happy and

00:51:07.980 Well it's just not going to work out

00:51:10.360 When you're not happy

00:51:11.900 You know and things are going to come along that are going to make you not happy

00:51:15.740 And then if the whole purpose of being is to be happy

00:51:18.700 And you're not happy

00:51:19.600 Then as soon as you're suffering you're done

00:51:22.180 Because you got nothing

00:51:23.600 You certainly don't have happiness

00:51:25.400 And that's all there was

00:51:26.340 That was the whole point

00:51:27.840 And it's gone because you're suffering

00:51:29.860 You got nothing

00:51:30.640 That's not a use that's not useful but you know

00:51:34.000 That's not to say that I have anything against happiness if it happens to come along

00:51:38.960 You know well you know you got to be grateful if it does come along

00:51:42.620 But you can't rely on it

00:51:44.840 That's for sure

00:51:45.880 That that's that's foolish

00:51:48.100 But you know you you could

00:51:49.920 Inform young people that they have to figure out

00:51:53.040 Just exactly how capable and resilient they are

00:51:57.140 And that the way they do that is by by testing themselves against against severe challenges

00:52:04.800 You know voluntarily

00:52:05.820 We know that from from our from clinical practice

00:52:09.580 From clinical sciences

00:52:11.080 Well how do you make people resilient

00:52:12.640 Well that's easy

00:52:13.680 You identify a set of challenges that they need to undertake

00:52:16.860 And you know you kind of match the challenge to the person

00:52:19.680 Like you would for a child that you care for

00:52:23.180 And you say well why don't you you know see if you can withstand this challenge

00:52:26.940 Go take it on

00:52:27.860 And the person goes and gives it a shot

00:52:30.040 And finds out well yeah I can do it

00:52:32.260 It's like great

00:52:32.920 You're tougher than you thought you were

00:52:34.720 So here's here's a slightly larger challenge

00:52:36.960 Why don't you go check out that

00:52:38.740 And see if you can do it too

00:52:39.960 And you know your ability expands as you take on the challenges

00:52:43.100 That's how you make people resilient

00:52:45.160 You know bloody well put them in safe spaces

00:52:47.700 And what shield them from microaggressions

00:52:51.860 You know

00:52:52.480 I think you only you only do that if you want to make people weak enough so that

00:53:01.880 You can make them weak enough so that your ideological

00:53:05.900 What would you call it

00:53:07.760 The ideological formulation of victimization and oppression

00:53:12.240 Can find a ready target

00:53:14.860 So you take university students yeah you that's it

00:53:17.980 You make them as weak as possible

00:53:19.980 And as frightened and timid as they can be

00:53:22.760 And then they're hungry consumers of your pathological ideology

00:53:27.160 That's that's a hell of a thing to do to young people man

00:53:30.300 And it's

00:53:31.020 And it's so interesting because

00:53:38.140 It's interesting because it is exactly the opposite of what you will do with people

00:53:45.120 If you're a clinician who's properly trained

00:53:48.600 And you want to help people become stronger

00:53:50.880 And you know there's like 10 different variants of clinical psychology

00:53:54.620 Behaviorism and phenomenology and existentialism and humanism and psychoanalysis

00:54:00.340 There's lots of different schools of psychotherapy

00:54:03.060 But all the well-developed schools of psychotherapy do share at least one thing in common

00:54:08.780 And that is that

00:54:10.120 You help people confront things they're afraid of and that they're avoiding

00:54:15.240 And that that makes them stronger

00:54:17.560 Like that's that's the fundamental essence of successful psychotherapy

00:54:22.560 And it's and the reason for that is because that's the fundamental essence of learning

00:54:26.700 So actually what you're trying to do if you're it's not like psychotherapists invented how to make people resilient

00:54:33.860 Obviously not what they did was observe what made people resilient and formalize it

00:54:39.920 And what makes people resilient is for them to push themselves up against challenges

00:54:45.120 And become stronger as a consequence of it

00:54:47.940 And so it's so interesting to see that this has been inverted

00:54:52.280 In in the universities

00:54:54.300 It's actually being turned upside down

00:54:56.200 And equally interesting to see that the that the clinical bodies

00:55:01.440 Like the American Psychological Association

00:55:03.540 Cursed be their name

00:55:05.260 And the American Psychiatric Association

00:55:08.660 Haven't come out on mass and said

00:55:11.160 Look

00:55:11.880 You couldn't do anything more malevolent to young people

00:55:21.200 If you planned it

00:55:22.860 Than to shield them from all voluntary contact

00:55:27.320 With things that challenge their beliefs

00:55:30.140 Right

00:55:30.880 It's the worst thing you could do

00:55:32.580 So I can't believe

00:55:37.220 I can't believe that they organize

00:55:39.200 It's hard for me to believe that the organizations have been that cowardly

00:55:43.200 But

00:55:44.120 But there it is

00:55:47.340 They are

00:55:48.040 So that's that's life

00:55:49.860 Rule four

00:55:52.500 Do not hide unwanted things in the fog

00:55:56.180 Yeah

00:55:57.980 That's a good one

00:55:59.580 You know how it is when

00:56:06.520 When something's up and you don't want to think about it

00:56:08.940 Christ that's probably

00:56:11.420 You know

00:56:11.780 Sometimes that's your whole life

00:56:13.720 It's like

00:56:14.380 It's like

00:56:15.020 God something's up

00:56:16.520 I don't want to think about it

00:56:17.740 I don't want to think about it

00:56:19.120 Well that that whole

00:56:20.860 That's interesting

00:56:21.940 That you cannot want to think about something

00:56:24.040 Because you

00:56:24.940 This is

00:56:26.040 This is

00:56:26.660 This is what

00:56:27.640 Tangled Freud up

00:56:29.200 Sigmund Freud up

00:56:30.780 In the idea of repression

00:56:31.980 Because he kind of thought

00:56:33.420 That you knew

00:56:34.180 What it was

00:56:34.820 That you didn't think about

00:56:35.800 And then you decided

00:56:36.620 That you weren't going to think about it

00:56:38.080 Which is very paradoxical

00:56:40.420 Because then you have to know

00:56:41.500 And not know at the same time

00:56:43.140 And that isn't actually how it works

00:56:45.220 It's more complicated than that

00:56:47.480 You know

00:56:48.140 Let's say that you come home from work

00:56:50.140 And you're in a bad mood

00:56:51.200 And

00:56:52.100 That happens right

00:56:53.600 And

00:56:54.320 You know

00:56:56.300 Your wife

00:56:57.040 Or your husband

00:56:57.760 Or your child

00:56:58.620 Or your dog

00:56:59.420 Does something

00:57:00.340 That's minor league annoying

00:57:02.720 And you get all upset about it

00:57:04.860 And

00:57:05.380 Well your dog doesn't ask you

00:57:07.720 It still likes you

00:57:08.860 But

00:57:09.040 Your

00:57:09.520 Your

00:57:09.940 Your wife

00:57:10.940 Or your kid

00:57:11.560 Might say

00:57:12.140 Well you know

00:57:12.700 What's up with you

00:57:13.600 Particularly your wife

00:57:14.980 Is likely to say that

00:57:15.940 Or your husband

00:57:16.540 What's up with you

00:57:17.980 You know

00:57:18.380 Like

00:57:18.820 You're overreacting

00:57:20.540 I'm not overreacting

00:57:21.700 It's like

00:57:22.140 Well you're crabby about something

00:57:23.440 I'm not crabby about anything

00:57:25.220 It's like

00:57:25.920 Yeah you are

00:57:27.100 Well what are you crabby about

00:57:28.400 Well you don't know

00:57:29.520 Well this is an interesting thing

00:57:31.760 You know

00:57:32.480 That

00:57:32.700 That something can upset you

00:57:35.060 And you actually don't know what it is

00:57:37.740 And then

00:57:38.640 You know

00:57:39.060 If you're fortunate

00:57:40.000 The person that you're with

00:57:41.140 Will torture you a bunch

00:57:42.260 And

00:57:43.000 Make you figure out

00:57:44.660 What you're crabby about

00:57:45.820 And you won't be happy about that

00:57:47.540 You know

00:57:47.760 And sometimes that will actually result in tears

00:57:50.300 Even when you realize what it is

00:57:52.500 That

00:57:52.760 That's upsetting you

00:57:54.100 And who the hell wants to

00:57:55.620 Go through that

00:57:56.640 Nobody

00:57:57.020 And so you know

00:57:57.820 You just avoid that

00:57:58.900 But

00:57:59.840 But it's not a good idea

00:58:01.500 What you want to do

00:58:03.240 Is you want to take

00:58:04.000 What you're upset about

00:58:05.120 This is partly what you do in psychotherapy

00:58:07.220 So people come

00:58:08.360 To you as a therapist

00:58:10.100 And they're upset

00:58:10.800 And you want to figure out

00:58:12.480 What they're upset about

00:58:13.420 And so you say

00:58:14.060 Well what might you be upset about

00:58:16.060 You know

00:58:16.960 And then they guess

00:58:18.520 And it's like

00:58:20.100 I like to think about it as

00:58:21.360 Laying cards

00:58:21.940 Like maybe the person's got a deck

00:58:23.540 Two decks of cards

00:58:24.560 In their hand

00:58:25.200 And they're laying all the cards

00:58:26.780 Out on the table

00:58:27.440 You know that's a metaphor

00:58:28.380 You lay your cards out on the table

00:58:29.920 And so that's what you do with someone

00:58:32.040 You say

00:58:32.420 A person comes to therapy

00:58:33.660 Because things aren't going for them

00:58:35.160 The way that they would like them to go

00:58:36.880 Because otherwise

00:58:37.640 Why would they be there

00:58:38.580 And

00:58:39.200 But it isn't necessarily obvious why

00:58:41.300 And so what you have to do

00:58:42.400 Is listen a bunch

00:58:43.360 Is like

00:58:43.720 Well what's your problem

00:58:44.740 What do you think your problem is

00:58:46.680 Well I don't really know

00:58:47.460 But I'm not happy

00:58:48.320 Well what might your problem be

00:58:50.240 Let's guess at it

00:58:51.840 Stupidly

00:58:52.720 Wander around a bit

00:58:54.440 You know

00:58:55.080 It's like doing a bad first draft

00:58:57.040 It's the same thing

00:58:58.320 Well maybe it's this

00:58:59.300 I might be upset about this

00:59:00.440 Or I might be upset about this

00:59:01.680 Or

00:59:01.820 I might be upset about

00:59:02.940 What happened to me

00:59:03.740 When I was a kid

00:59:04.560 Or

00:59:04.760 You know

00:59:05.300 Or I'm upset at work

00:59:06.520 Or you know

00:59:07.120 I'm not happy with my kids

00:59:08.560 Or I'm not happy with my wife

00:59:09.760 Or I'm not happy with myself

00:59:10.960 Or like you know

00:59:11.880 There's all sorts of reasons

00:59:13.760 You might be upset

00:59:14.620 And what you find

00:59:15.740 If you do that with people

00:59:16.820 You let them wander through

00:59:18.260 The domain of

00:59:20.080 Being upset

00:59:21.700 Is that

00:59:22.740 They come out with

00:59:24.600 30 things

00:59:25.780 They might be upset about

00:59:26.820 But almost right away

00:59:27.720 They can figure out

00:59:28.400 That 15 of those things

00:59:29.540 Or 20 of those things

00:59:30.320 Are irrelevant

00:59:30.940 They can take them off the table

00:59:32.880 But they can't take them off the table

00:59:34.840 Till they've laid them on the table

00:59:36.420 Till they've

00:59:37.160 Till they've walked through it

00:59:38.600 You know

00:59:39.460 And that's part of that

00:59:40.240 The part of the

00:59:40.880 That's part of the process

00:59:42.100 By

00:59:43.000 Which emotion

00:59:44.220 Becomes articulated

00:59:45.460 Because your emotions

00:59:47.020 Will signal to you

00:59:47.980 That something's wrong

00:59:49.140 But they won't tell you why

00:59:50.880 Because emotions aren't very high resolution

00:59:53.160 So you're crabby

00:59:54.340 You know

00:59:54.540 Because maybe your boss

00:59:55.460 Makes an offhand comment

00:59:56.660 Made an offhand comment

00:59:57.820 Two weeks ago

00:59:58.600 And some part of you

00:59:59.700 Thinks that maybe

01:00:00.500 A promotion that you deserved

01:00:02.060 Is now not in the works

01:00:03.460 But you didn't even

01:00:04.440 Really notice that

01:00:05.440 You know

01:00:05.700 It got you

01:00:07.440 It wasn't the response

01:00:09.560 You wanted from your boss

01:00:10.980 And so

01:00:11.920 God only knows

01:00:13.680 What it signifies

01:00:14.640 And it sets your mood sideways

01:00:16.620 And then it makes you

01:00:17.520 Susceptible to outbursts at home

01:00:19.420 And it's very difficult

01:00:20.400 To dig down into that

01:00:21.680 And you know

01:00:22.340 You might have to admit to yourself

01:00:23.740 That you really want the

01:00:24.960 That you really want the

01:00:27.160 Promotion

01:00:28.440 And maybe you have to admit

01:00:29.840 That well you haven't done

01:00:30.800 Everything you possibly could

01:00:31.940 To deserve it

01:00:32.660 And maybe you'd have to

01:00:33.700 Dig into the fact

01:00:34.420 That your relationship

01:00:35.100 With your boss

01:00:35.780 Isn't everything it could be

01:00:36.940 And then you'd have to

01:00:37.880 Figure out that you're not

01:00:38.560 Working as hard at work

01:00:39.680 As you might

01:00:40.660 Because you're resentful

01:00:41.700 It's like

01:00:42.140 Jesus

01:00:42.620 It's just a bloody morass

01:00:44.260 Down there

01:00:44.820 You know

01:00:45.140 And you see this

01:00:49.240 With couples

01:00:49.760 Who are on the verge

01:00:50.560 Of divorce

01:00:51.260 They can't talk

01:00:55.920 Because everything

01:00:57.360 They say is a minefield

01:00:58.800 You know

01:00:59.940 And it's a minefield

01:01:00.900 So every topic

01:01:02.160 Is associated

01:01:02.860 With the same discussion

01:01:04.100 That's occurred

01:01:05.520 Repeatedly

01:01:06.120 For the last 20 years

01:01:07.080 And never been

01:01:07.580 Sorted out

01:01:08.220 And so

01:01:08.960 Every single

01:01:10.100 Sentence

01:01:11.060 Is a minefield

01:01:12.020 And then you dig into that

01:01:13.420 And you find that

01:01:14.080 There's like

01:01:14.540 Underneath each

01:01:16.760 Contentious sentence

01:01:18.080 That's when you have

01:01:19.020 People sitting there

01:01:20.060 You know

01:01:20.740 In your office

01:01:21.520 With their arms crossed

01:01:22.760 And every time

01:01:23.580 One of them says something

01:01:24.640 The other one

01:01:25.120 Rolls their eyes

01:01:25.920 And by the way

01:01:27.560 That's a good predictor

01:01:28.500 Of divorce

01:01:29.080 I'm dead serious

01:01:31.160 If you want a predictor

01:01:32.040 Of divorce

01:01:32.520 It's like

01:01:32.960 Your husband

01:01:33.760 Your wife talks

01:01:34.460 You roll your eyes

01:01:35.180 It's like

01:01:35.460 You guys

01:01:35.920 You're done

01:01:36.780 That's contempt

01:01:38.800 You know

01:01:40.060 And once the contempt

01:01:41.440 Settles in

01:01:42.200 It's very

01:01:43.020 Very difficult

01:01:43.620 To reverse it

01:01:44.380 And the contempt

01:01:45.360 Doesn't settle in

01:01:46.360 If there hasn't been

01:01:47.280 10,000 hours

01:01:49.060 Of non-communicative

01:01:50.760 Fights

01:01:51.400 And that's partly

01:01:53.040 That wish

01:01:53.760 That people

01:01:54.280 Can hide things

01:01:55.060 In the fog

01:01:55.740 It's like

01:01:56.480 I'm upset

01:01:57.140 And I bloody well

01:01:58.380 Don't want to know

01:01:59.660 Why

01:02:00.020 And it's no wonder

01:02:01.500 And so

01:02:02.200 The Freudian

01:02:03.060 Repression idea

01:02:03.980 Is wrong

01:02:04.540 It's because

01:02:04.940 You don't know

01:02:06.020 What it is

01:02:06.980 That's upsetting

01:02:07.600 You

01:02:07.820 And then

01:02:08.420 You refuse

01:02:09.660 To face it

01:02:10.560 It's more subtle

01:02:11.700 Than that

01:02:12.120 Is that

01:02:12.440 Your emotions

01:02:13.700 Hint at you

01:02:15.000 That something

01:02:15.940 Isn't the way

01:02:16.940 It should be

01:02:17.860 And then

01:02:18.820 You

01:02:19.040 You can

01:02:20.460 You can

01:02:21.040 Remain unconscious

01:02:22.100 Merely by not

01:02:23.360 Attending to that

01:02:24.380 I don't want to

01:02:25.320 I don't want to

01:02:25.920 Think about that

01:02:26.640 It's like

01:02:27.340 Yeah well

01:02:27.680 No wonder

01:02:28.160 But what are you

01:02:29.060 Going to do

01:02:29.380 You're going to wait

01:02:29.980 You're going to

01:02:30.360 Collect

01:02:30.800 All these

01:02:31.960 Errors around you

01:02:34.020 Right

01:02:34.320 An immense number

01:02:35.500 Of unsolved errors

01:02:36.600 You do that

01:02:37.160 Long enough

01:02:37.620 And your whole

01:02:38.160 Life is just

01:02:38.860 A morass

01:02:39.940 Of unsolved errors

01:02:41.640 And then you

01:02:42.380 Really won't want

01:02:43.180 To think about it

01:02:43.940 And then you're

01:02:44.720 Really done

01:02:45.520 And so

01:02:46.660 Well what's

01:02:47.340 The rule

01:02:47.860 Don't hide

01:02:49.280 Unwanted things

01:02:50.140 In the fog

01:02:50.860 Well you know

01:02:52.440 Imagine that you're

01:02:54.100 Wandering through

01:02:54.760 The fog

01:02:55.260 And there's

01:02:56.520 There's pits

01:02:58.040 That you could

01:02:58.560 Fall into

01:02:59.160 And that there's

01:02:59.780 Knives that you

01:03:00.980 Could impale

01:03:01.640 Yourself on

01:03:02.500 There's sharp

01:03:03.100 Edges everywhere

01:03:04.040 It's like

01:03:04.960 Well that's

01:03:06.040 Terrible

01:03:06.440 The world's

01:03:07.040 It's terrible

01:03:07.720 That the world

01:03:08.240 Is full of

01:03:08.700 Pits and

01:03:09.220 Sharp edges

01:03:09.820 And knives

01:03:10.440 Hidden in

01:03:11.480 The fog

01:03:11.980 It's like

01:03:12.640 Well yeah

01:03:13.020 But what if

01:03:13.500 You disperse

01:03:14.160 The fog

01:03:14.860 Well then

01:03:16.120 The pits

01:03:16.540 Are still

01:03:16.940 There

01:03:17.220 And so

01:03:17.520 Are the

01:03:17.740 Sharp edges

01:03:18.300 And the

01:03:18.600 Knives

01:03:18.940 But

01:03:19.200 You don't

01:03:20.640 Have to

01:03:20.960 Fall into

01:03:21.460 Them

01:03:21.680 Because you

01:03:21.980 Can just

01:03:22.280 Walk around

01:03:22.940 Them

01:03:23.260 You know

01:03:24.420 And that's

01:03:25.180 Another reason

01:03:25.860 Why it's

01:03:26.200 So useful

01:03:26.660 To face

01:03:27.200 Things

01:03:27.540 It's like

01:03:27.980 Well

01:03:28.240 If you

01:03:29.320 If you

01:03:30.060 If you

01:03:30.700 Become articulate

01:03:31.620 About what

01:03:32.240 It is

01:03:32.540 That's disturbing

01:03:33.300 You

01:03:33.600 Then you

01:03:34.240 Sharpen up

01:03:35.080 You sharpen up

01:03:36.420 Your representations

01:03:37.460 Of the catastrophe

01:03:38.700 Let's say

01:03:39.220 And then you

01:03:39.900 Can

01:03:40.100 Then you

01:03:40.840 Can

01:03:41.020 It turns out

01:03:42.060 That it's

01:03:42.420 Much

01:03:42.920 More probable

01:03:44.140 That you

01:03:44.580 Can deal

01:03:45.060 With it

01:03:45.500 You know

01:03:46.020 And you

01:03:46.240 Can't be

01:03:46.660 Sure

01:03:46.940 Because sometimes

01:03:47.740 You're just

01:03:48.440 Screwed

01:03:49.140 You know

01:03:50.040 Well that's

01:03:51.080 Why you end

01:03:51.620 Up dying

01:03:52.320 Right

01:03:53.120 It's like

01:03:53.620 Well

01:03:54.180 I'm dead

01:03:55.060 Serious

01:03:55.520 About this

01:03:55.920 I don't

01:03:56.160 Want to be

01:03:56.600 You know

01:03:57.260 I don't

01:03:57.840 Want to be

01:03:58.140 Stupidly

01:03:58.820 Optimistic

01:03:59.580 Sometimes

01:04:00.300 You can

01:04:00.740 Be backed

01:04:01.200 Into a

01:04:01.640 Corner

01:04:01.900 And there's

01:04:02.320 No escape

01:04:02.860 That happens

01:04:04.140 But most of the time

01:04:05.420 It's not the case

01:04:06.340 Most of the time

01:04:07.200 If you

01:04:07.560 If you

01:04:08.480 If you're willing

01:04:09.960 To make the situation

01:04:11.720 Clear

01:04:12.460 Right

01:04:13.560 Which is a matter

01:04:14.400 Of facing it

01:04:15.360 And then clarifying it

01:04:16.960 It's a courageous thing

01:04:18.140 To do

01:04:18.380 That's to beard

01:04:19.120 The dragon

01:04:19.800 In its den

01:04:20.700 You know

01:04:21.540 If you do that

01:04:22.840 Then you find

01:04:23.840 That the situation

01:04:25.300 Resolves into

01:04:26.260 A set of problems

01:04:27.220 That are smaller

01:04:28.600 Than you originally

01:04:29.500 Assumed

01:04:30.100 They would be

01:04:30.820 And

01:04:31.780 There's a much

01:04:33.140 Higher probability

01:04:33.900 That you can

01:04:34.640 Decompose the problems

01:04:35.780 And then start

01:04:36.460 To address them

01:04:37.240 And it doesn't matter

01:04:38.480 Because it's

01:04:39.020 It's your best bet

01:04:40.260 Like even if it

01:04:41.620 Doesn't work

01:04:42.220 And it might not

01:04:42.920 It's like

01:04:43.320 You don't have

01:04:43.880 A better strategy

01:04:44.560 There is not

01:04:45.160 A better strategy

01:04:46.040 There's not

01:04:46.920 A better strategy

01:04:47.700 Than to seek out

01:04:48.880 The dragon

01:04:49.340 And it's dead

01:04:50.020 Even though

01:04:50.920 There's some possibility

01:04:51.840 That you'll get

01:04:52.940 Burnt to a crisp

01:04:53.720 And that you won't

01:04:54.340 Get the gold

01:04:55.000 It's much better

01:04:56.480 Than waiting

01:04:57.060 At home

01:04:57.860 In your bed

01:04:58.420 Quivering

01:04:58.940 While the thing

01:04:59.600 Grows

01:05:00.020 And comes in

01:05:00.620 And eats you

01:05:01.200 Because then

01:05:02.160 For sure

01:05:02.660 You lose

01:05:03.360 And that's pretty much

01:05:04.700 How life works

01:05:05.640 So that's what

01:05:06.380 That chapter's about

01:05:07.440 I'm going to read

01:05:16.780 The rest of these

01:05:17.500 Because I'm not

01:05:18.160 Going to get through

01:05:18.900 All of them

01:05:19.240 But I could at least

01:05:19.840 Let you know

01:05:20.320 What they are

01:05:21.000 Rule five

01:05:24.360 Abandoned ideology

01:05:26.160 Rule six

01:05:28.380 This is the one

01:05:29.440 I've just been working on

01:05:30.360 This one just about

01:05:31.060 Killed me

01:05:31.600 It's very very difficult

01:05:33.040 Was writing

01:05:33.720 Was very difficult

01:05:34.660 To write this

01:05:35.260 This is a cool one

01:05:36.840 Notice that

01:05:38.300 Opportunity lurks

01:05:39.440 Where responsibility

01:05:40.360 Has been abdicated

01:05:41.740 I'm going to return

01:05:43.020 To that one

01:05:43.660 Because that's such

01:05:44.920 A strange thing

01:05:46.840 To learn

01:05:47.680 Do not do things

01:05:49.020 That you hate

01:05:49.740 That's a variant

01:05:51.460 I wrote a rule

01:05:52.960 In the first book

01:05:54.040 Which was

01:05:54.640 Tell the truth

01:05:55.840 Or at least don't lie

01:05:57.020 And I formulated it

01:05:58.740 That way

01:05:59.080 Because well

01:05:59.620 You don't know

01:06:00.020 How to tell the truth

01:06:00.840 Because what the hell

01:06:01.640 Do you know

01:06:02.140 But you can maybe

01:06:04.000 Not lie

01:06:04.820 Because sometimes

01:06:05.660 You know

01:06:05.920 You're going to say something

01:06:06.940 And you know

01:06:07.820 It's a lie

01:06:08.400 And you can just

01:06:09.140 Not lie

01:06:09.900 And sometimes

01:06:11.160 You just don't know

01:06:12.360 And well

01:06:13.200 Then you know

01:06:14.120 You're ignorant

01:06:15.440 And that's irreducible

01:06:17.000 In some sense

01:06:17.720 But

01:06:17.960 So maybe you can't

01:06:20.000 Tell the truth

01:06:20.920 Because you don't know

01:06:21.740 The truth

01:06:22.140 But you can

01:06:23.020 Not lie

01:06:24.580 And this is the

01:06:25.400 Behavioral equivalent

01:06:26.320 Of this

01:06:26.840 You know

01:06:27.600 Because you shouldn't

01:06:28.900 Do things that you hate

01:06:30.000 It's the same as lying

01:06:32.020 It's just

01:06:32.840 It's the acting out

01:06:34.160 Of a lie

01:06:34.700 Think well

01:06:35.420 I have to do things

01:06:36.340 That I hate

01:06:36.900 It's like

01:06:37.300 Well

01:06:37.640 Don't be so sure

01:06:40.880 About that

01:06:41.500 Or maybe you have

01:06:43.020 An ethical

01:06:43.420 Maybe that's not

01:06:44.940 A good enough reason

01:06:45.740 Maybe you have

01:06:46.180 An ethical obligation

01:06:47.200 To not do things

01:06:48.500 You hate

01:06:48.900 The same way

01:06:49.420 That you have

01:06:49.940 An ethical obligation

01:06:50.860 Not to lie

01:06:51.620 And the excuse

01:06:53.540 Well I had to do

01:06:54.400 It's not

01:06:54.880 It might even be

01:06:57.880 It might even be

01:06:58.800 Valid in some sense

01:06:59.860 Because you can find

01:07:00.520 Yourself in situations

01:07:01.520 Where you're terribly

01:07:02.240 Constrained

01:07:02.740 The problem is

01:07:03.580 It's not helpful

01:07:04.380 You know

01:07:05.820 Lies will come back

01:07:07.680 To haunt you

01:07:08.420 And the same thing

01:07:09.960 Happens when you do

01:07:10.740 Things that you hate

01:07:11.520 It's the behavioral

01:07:12.340 Equivalent of a lie

01:07:13.220 It will absolutely

01:07:14.020 Come back to haunt you

01:07:14.980 And if you're in a

01:07:15.800 Situation where you're

01:07:16.680 Required to do that

01:07:17.800 For whatever reason

01:07:18.660 Well that's terrible

01:07:19.980 For you

01:07:20.420 And maybe there's

01:07:21.260 No way out of it

01:07:22.240 Or no simple way

01:07:22.980 Out of it

01:07:23.320 But you're gonna

01:07:24.180 You're gonna be

01:07:25.120 Punished for it

01:07:25.880 Not least by yourself

01:07:27.580 Not least by the

01:07:28.840 Degeneration of your

01:07:29.980 Character

01:07:30.460 Which is a terrible

01:07:31.420 Thing because you

01:07:32.180 Actually need your

01:07:32.940 Character in order

01:07:33.700 To survive

01:07:34.420 Right

01:07:35.020 Your character

01:07:35.600 Is the strength

01:07:36.380 That you have

01:07:36.980 To bring to bear

01:07:37.820 In the world

01:07:38.380 And if you

01:07:39.100 Compromise that

01:07:39.940 Well then

01:07:40.360 You will absolutely

01:07:42.060 Pay for that

01:07:42.880 So

01:07:43.700 Try to make

01:07:49.460 One room in your

01:07:50.220 House as beautiful

01:07:51.100 As possible

01:07:51.880 That's a fun one

01:07:53.520 Because it's

01:07:54.420 Very beauty

01:07:55.440 It is a bit

01:07:56.220 Of a meditation

01:07:56.880 On beauty

01:07:57.520 You know

01:07:57.900 Beauty is a

01:07:59.520 Mysterious thing

01:08:00.440 It isn't obvious

01:08:01.580 What it is

01:08:03.320 Or why

01:08:03.700 It's valuable

01:08:04.480 And it's kind

01:08:05.280 Of an intimidating

01:08:05.940 Thing you know

01:08:06.720 Because

01:08:07.040 Well because

01:08:08.740 We're all flawed

01:08:09.540 And so

01:08:10.000 If we encounter

01:08:10.840 Something beautiful

01:08:11.640 Then you know

01:08:12.800 It's

01:08:14.380 In some sense

01:08:16.960 To encounter

01:08:17.460 Something beautiful

01:08:18.200 Is also

01:08:18.660 To become aware

01:08:19.380 Of all the ways

01:08:20.400 That you're not

01:08:21.080 That

01:08:21.560 And so

01:08:22.300 It's to

01:08:22.720 It's to

01:08:24.180 It's to dare

01:08:25.460 To

01:08:25.880 To encounter

01:08:27.300 An ideal

01:08:28.080 That shames

01:08:30.640 You

01:08:30.960 I would say

01:08:31.980 And it's partly

01:08:32.880 Why people are

01:08:33.520 Afraid of beauty

01:08:34.200 But beauty

01:08:35.000 Is also a window

01:08:35.960 Into

01:08:36.300 I don't know

01:08:37.020 Exactly

01:08:37.560 It's a window

01:08:38.360 Into something

01:08:39.020 Transcendent

01:08:39.880 You know

01:08:40.420 I think

01:08:40.940 Most people

01:08:41.560 Experience this

01:08:42.500 Directly

01:08:42.940 When they listen

01:08:43.460 To music

01:08:43.980 Because most

01:08:44.600 People like

01:08:45.120 Music

01:08:45.540 And you know

01:08:46.140 We might

01:08:46.540 Differ

01:08:47.200 In what music

01:08:48.680 We consider

01:08:49.400 Beautiful

01:08:49.960 But virtually

01:08:50.880 Everyone has

01:08:51.700 A genre

01:08:52.400 That speaks

01:08:53.300 To them

01:08:53.720 Of something

01:08:54.620 That's beautiful

01:08:55.340 And there's

01:08:56.500 Something intensely

01:08:57.600 Meaningful

01:08:58.360 And sustaining

01:08:59.300 About that

01:09:00.020 And you know

01:09:00.800 So this rule

01:09:01.760 Is about

01:09:02.280 Well attempting

01:09:02.980 To do something

01:09:03.680 Like that

01:09:04.140 In your own life

01:09:04.920 You know

01:09:05.160 You can take

01:09:05.700 A little corner

01:09:06.500 If it's not

01:09:07.180 A whole room

01:09:07.800 Because the

01:09:08.860 First suggestion

01:09:10.560 I had

01:09:11.340 I didn't write

01:09:11.820 This as a rule

01:09:12.420 But it's become

01:09:13.040 A rather popular

01:09:14.080 Meme

01:09:14.440 Is to

01:09:14.820 You know

01:09:15.400 To clean up

01:09:15.960 Your room

01:09:16.480 Put your room

01:09:17.280 In order

01:09:17.700 Maybe before

01:09:19.380 You try to

01:09:19.800 Put the world

01:09:20.320 In order

01:09:20.780 That would be

01:09:21.680 A good thing

01:09:22.220 Put your room

01:09:22.940 In order

01:09:23.280 But maybe

01:09:24.440 After you put

01:09:25.160 Your room

01:09:25.460 In order

01:09:25.740 You try to

01:09:26.160 Make it

01:09:26.440 Beautiful

01:09:26.880 Because that's

01:09:27.480 The next step

01:09:28.740 Of elevation

01:09:29.400 Is could you

01:09:30.520 Take something

01:09:31.480 That's merely

01:09:32.340 Organized and

01:09:33.640 Functional

01:09:34.100 And elevate it

01:09:34.920 To the next level

01:09:35.860 Could you dare

01:09:36.900 To interact

01:09:37.680 With something

01:09:38.880 That's beautiful

01:09:39.600 Could you reach

01:09:40.240 That high

01:09:40.800 And you know

01:09:41.420 That transforms

01:09:42.140 Your life

01:09:42.780 That's why

01:09:43.640 Art transforms

01:09:44.480 People's lives

01:09:45.280 Because a great

01:09:46.860 Piece of art

01:09:47.460 Is like a portal

01:09:48.460 Through which beauty

01:09:49.360 Pours

01:09:49.860 And it can pour

01:09:50.600 Over everything

01:09:51.400 It's a terrifying

01:09:52.180 Thing

01:09:52.920 I had an artist

01:09:53.840 Fred

01:09:54.060 He said

01:09:54.320 Well that's

01:09:54.600 Why we put

01:09:55.000 Frames around

01:09:55.760 Paintings

01:09:56.560 Is to keep

01:09:57.420 The beauty

01:09:58.040 Stuck in the

01:09:59.020 Painting

01:09:59.360 Because you don't

01:09:59.880 Want it leaking

01:10:00.940 Out all over

01:10:01.760 The house

01:10:02.180 And causing

01:10:02.700 Trouble

01:10:03.260 You know

01:10:03.860 It's bad enough

01:10:04.940 That is right

01:10:05.640 That is right there

01:10:05.980 In front of you

01:10:06.780 Telling you

01:10:10.040 How things

01:10:10.620 Could be

01:10:11.080 But aren't

01:10:11.840 Stating to you

01:10:13.460 That there's

01:10:14.660 Much more work

01:10:15.660 To do

01:10:16.020 That you're

01:10:16.460 Not doing

01:10:17.280 And that everything

01:10:18.320 Is far more

01:10:19.320 Worth attending

01:10:20.100 To than you

01:10:20.900 Have the time

01:10:21.680 To attend to

01:10:22.400 And a great

01:10:23.100 Painting does

01:10:23.820 That you know

01:10:24.440 Maybe

01:10:25.820 Maybe

01:10:26.300 You think of

01:10:27.320 An impressionist

01:10:28.040 Who goes out

01:10:28.580 And paints

01:10:29.020 Like a haystack

01:10:30.280 I think that was

01:10:31.040 Monet

01:10:31.420 Who painted

01:10:32.320 All the haystacks

01:10:33.060 I never remember

01:10:34.040 If it's Monet

01:10:34.560 Or Manet

01:10:35.140 Doesn't matter

01:10:36.080 He painted these

01:10:37.120 Might have mattered

01:10:38.540 To him

01:10:38.980 But doesn't matter

01:10:40.720 To this story

01:10:41.720 He painted

01:10:43.440 All these haystacks

01:10:44.380 Under different

01:10:44.940 Conditions of light

01:10:45.960 You know

01:10:46.420 And they're very

01:10:47.580 Different in colour

01:10:48.480 You think

01:10:49.260 Well you might think

01:10:50.420 If you're not

01:10:51.080 Very sophisticated

01:10:51.720 Why would someone

01:10:52.520 Paint the same haystack

01:10:53.720 Over and over

01:10:54.320 And the answer

01:10:55.120 To that was

01:10:55.640 If you think

01:10:56.780 It's the same haystack

01:10:58.100 You're not paying

01:10:58.740 Any attention

01:10:59.360 Because it's

01:11:00.000 Unbelievably different

01:11:01.620 You know

01:11:02.500 And most of the time

01:11:04.020 We only have a chance

01:11:04.800 To glance at something

01:11:06.040 But an artist

01:11:06.660 Will look at something

01:11:07.740 That you'd only glance at

01:11:09.040 And look at it

01:11:10.140 And look at it

01:11:10.740 And look at it

01:11:11.320 And work on it

01:11:12.240 And represent it

01:11:13.120 And then that reminds you

01:11:14.740 When you look at it

01:11:15.780 Reminds you

01:11:16.280 That everything

01:11:16.920 Is worth looking at

01:11:18.160 Deeply

01:11:18.700 Even though you

01:11:19.440 Don't have the time

01:11:20.320 To do it

01:11:20.840 And it's a

01:11:21.600 It's a window

01:11:22.760 Into the

01:11:24.180 The realm of reality

01:11:25.660 That's outside

01:11:26.640 Of your casual glance

01:11:28.200 And it connects you

01:11:29.800 With that

01:11:30.340 And so if you dare

01:11:31.740 To

01:11:32.060 If you dare

01:11:33.120 To engage

01:11:34.680 With beauty

01:11:35.720 Then it serves

01:11:37.560 As a reminder

01:11:38.400 That you're

01:11:39.360 Connected to something

01:11:40.300 That's beyond

01:11:40.920 Your comprehension

01:11:41.700 All the time

01:11:42.820 And that's a good

01:11:44.200 Thing to know

01:11:44.720 It's in some sense

01:11:45.520 It's like

01:11:45.940 In some sense

01:11:47.020 It's like letting

01:11:47.620 God into your life

01:11:48.920 You know

01:11:49.280 And that's why

01:11:49.960 Beauty is a window

01:11:50.880 Into the divine

01:11:51.800 And I think

01:11:52.660 That's literally true

01:11:53.580 Well maybe you have

01:11:54.260 A better explanation

01:11:55.100 For beauty

01:11:55.700 It's not an easy

01:11:56.640 Thing to explain

01:11:57.620 You know

01:11:58.640 It's not an easy

01:11:59.960 Thing to explain

01:12:00.740 The fact that it

01:12:01.440 Beckons

01:12:02.040 And that it's

01:12:02.500 Attractive

01:12:03.040 And it's terrifying

01:12:04.080 And challenging

01:12:05.080 All at the same time

01:12:06.240 It's like

01:12:06.700 What is it

01:12:07.300 What is it

01:12:07.840 That's lurking

01:12:08.660 In there

01:12:09.460 That has that effect

01:12:10.600 You know

01:12:11.320 It's definitely

01:12:11.840 Something that's

01:12:12.480 Beyond the mundane

01:12:13.860 You know

01:12:14.280 By definition

01:12:15.080 And it's something

01:12:15.860 To set up

01:12:17.140 Something in your house

01:12:18.680 That's beyond the mundane

01:12:20.040 That beckons to you

01:12:21.280 You know

01:12:21.660 It's a daring

01:12:22.660 Thing to do

01:12:23.260 And people are

01:12:23.820 Terrified of it

01:12:24.660 And so they won't

01:12:25.340 Do it

01:12:25.640 And it's no wonder

01:12:26.420 But

01:12:27.080 But it's a great

01:12:28.520 Thing to dare

01:12:29.280 Plan and work

01:12:33.440 Diligently

01:12:34.120 Plan and work

01:12:37.300 Diligently

01:12:37.840 To maintain

01:12:38.480 The romance

01:12:39.100 In your relationship

01:12:39.920 That's a good one

01:12:41.260 It's a funny one

01:12:42.860 Though eh

01:12:43.220 Because

01:12:43.740 The first part

01:12:45.860 Of that sentence

01:12:46.360 Is a lot different

01:12:47.080 Than the second part

01:12:48.320 Plan and work

01:12:50.260 Diligently

01:12:51.060 Okay

01:12:51.540 That's sort of

01:12:52.080 One conception

01:12:52.900 That's for sure

01:12:54.080 One conceptual realm

01:12:55.120 To maintain

01:12:56.760 The romance

01:12:57.560 In your relationship

01:12:58.420 It's like

01:12:58.860 No

01:12:59.040 Those things

01:12:59.560 Don't go together

01:13:00.460 You know

01:13:01.300 But they do

01:13:02.180 They do

01:13:03.400 As a clinical psychologist

01:13:05.040 You know

01:13:05.640 I often

01:13:06.220 Encouraged my

01:13:07.820 Clients

01:13:08.960 To

01:13:09.340 Date

01:13:11.420 Their

01:13:11.820 Wife or husband

01:13:13.580 Have a date

01:13:14.600 We're not getting along

01:13:15.800 It's like

01:13:16.380 Well when was the last time

01:13:17.420 You

01:13:17.600 You did anything romantic

01:13:19.060 Together

01:13:19.460 It was like

01:13:20.200 A year ago

01:13:20.960 It's like

01:13:21.480 Really

01:13:22.080 Really

01:13:22.920 That might be

01:13:24.080 One of the reasons

01:13:25.640 You're not getting along

01:13:26.620 Or maybe

01:13:29.240 It's a symptom

01:13:29.800 Of the fact

01:13:30.340 That you're not getting along

01:13:31.300 Well do you

01:13:32.840 Do you

01:13:33.140 Do you go out

01:13:33.680 With each other

01:13:34.140 Well we don't have

01:13:34.780 The time

01:13:35.420 Well fair enough

01:13:36.400 You know

01:13:36.760 You know

01:13:38.200 Life

01:13:38.480 Life gets in the way

01:13:39.880 You know

01:13:40.360 If you're

01:13:41.040 You both have a job

01:13:42.380 And you have little kids

01:13:43.280 It's

01:13:43.700 You know

01:13:44.560 Maybe you have

01:13:44.940 Some other responsibilities

01:13:45.900 It's very easy

01:13:46.800 For the romantic part

01:13:47.860 Of your relationship

01:13:48.560 To fall

01:13:49.640 To priority 11

01:13:51.320 On a list

01:13:52.560 Of 1 to 10

01:13:53.340 And you never

01:13:54.180 Get to it

01:13:54.820 You know

01:13:55.140 And so then

01:13:56.140 I would tell my clients

01:13:57.040 Well why don't you

01:13:57.600 Why don't you go on a date

01:13:58.720 You know

01:13:59.400 And they're

01:13:59.660 One sitting there

01:14:00.460 And one sitting there

01:14:01.180 They won't have anything

01:14:01.760 To do with each other

01:14:02.520 And the first thing

01:14:03.400 They think

01:14:03.760 Is I wish

01:14:04.220 We would have gone

01:14:04.800 And seen a different

01:14:05.500 Therapist

01:14:06.100 And then the next

01:14:07.980 Thing they think

01:14:08.560 Is okay

01:14:09.460 We'll do it

01:14:10.980 But we'll do it

01:14:12.180 Grudgingly

01:14:12.760 And we're not

01:14:13.260 Going to enjoy it

01:14:14.200 And that'll show you

01:14:15.340 That you're wrong

01:14:16.220 And so

01:14:17.040 Then they come back

01:14:18.880 And you know

01:14:19.440 Maybe they went

01:14:19.880 To a movie

01:14:20.460 And I say

01:14:21.240 Well how'd it go

01:14:21.800 And they say

01:14:22.060 Well we had

01:14:22.520 A terrible time

01:14:23.440 We had a terrible time

01:14:24.560 We couldn't agree

01:14:25.380 On the movie

01:14:25.940 And then we went

01:14:26.840 To the movie

01:14:27.320 And we just

01:14:27.880 Fought afterwards

01:14:28.760 And we went

01:14:29.760 To a lousy

01:14:30.360 Little restaurant

01:14:30.960 And it was

01:14:31.560 A wretched

01:14:32.000 We had a wretched time

01:14:33.560 And we're never

01:14:34.180 Doing that again

01:14:35.020 And then they

01:14:35.960 Look at me

01:14:36.720 Like they're victorious

01:14:37.800 You know

01:14:38.580 And I think

01:14:39.300 And I think

01:14:42.320 Oh I see

01:14:43.040 That's your theory

01:14:43.820 You're never

01:14:44.380 Going to do that again

01:14:45.300 That's your solution

01:14:46.720 To the lack of romance

01:14:47.980 In your relationship

01:14:48.960 It's like

01:14:49.800 Well of course

01:14:50.460 You're not very good at it

01:14:51.640 You're stuck with this person

01:14:53.220 So it's like

01:14:54.280 Maybe you go on

01:14:55.340 Ten dates

01:14:56.040 And like

01:14:56.780 The first one

01:14:57.620 Is a hundred percent

01:14:58.540 Wretched

01:14:58.900 And the next one

01:14:59.740 Is only ninety-five percent

01:15:01.080 Wretched

01:15:01.420 And so that's

01:15:02.040 A really good trajectory

01:15:03.180 You know

01:15:04.420 Because by the time

01:15:05.480 You get to the

01:15:06.100 Fifteenth date

01:15:07.060 Maybe you can

01:15:07.820 Sort of tolerate

01:15:08.580 Each other again

01:15:09.500 And if you did it

01:15:10.420 Thirty times

01:15:11.380 Well maybe you'd be

01:15:12.440 Halfways good at it

01:15:13.700 And if you're

01:15:14.020 Going to be married

01:15:14.620 For fifty years

01:15:15.940 You might as well

01:15:17.000 Put the effort into it

01:15:18.380 Have thirty

01:15:19.460 Wretched married dates

01:15:21.020 So that you can

01:15:21.740 Get good at it

01:15:22.740 You know

01:15:23.540 You know

01:15:31.860 And you don't think

01:15:32.800 About it

01:15:33.160 Because people are

01:15:33.960 They're sort of

01:15:34.780 Naive and arrogant

01:15:35.620 At the same time

01:15:36.540 Well we should be able

01:15:37.540 To just go out

01:15:38.120 And have a romantic time

01:15:39.400 It's like

01:15:39.820 Really

01:15:40.080 You should just

01:15:40.760 Be able to do that

01:15:41.520 It's like

01:15:41.720 What makes you think

01:15:42.720 That you're good at that

01:15:44.260 You know

01:15:45.160 It's like

01:15:45.520 If you're sixteen

01:15:46.620 And you know

01:15:47.880 And your

01:15:48.740 Your hormones

01:15:49.640 Are raging

01:15:50.440 And you have

01:15:51.120 Absolutely

01:15:51.960 No experience

01:15:53.240 Whatsoever

01:15:53.840 And you go out

01:15:54.720 On a date

01:15:55.260 Like maybe

01:15:56.080 It'll be

01:15:56.460 Probably it won't

01:15:57.900 Probably it'll be

01:15:58.380 Just bloody

01:15:58.960 Wretched and horrible

01:15:59.780 But it might be

01:16:01.000 Romantic and wonderful

01:16:02.320 And then maybe

01:16:02.900 You'll remember that

01:16:03.600 For the rest of your life

01:16:04.560 But I mean

01:16:04.920 That's a very strange

01:16:06.160 Concatenation

01:16:07.240 Of ignorance

01:16:08.680 Naivety

01:16:09.360 And overwhelming

01:16:11.560 Hormonal influence

01:16:13.080 It's like

01:16:13.760 It's not you

01:16:14.820 It's just something

01:16:16.120 That happened to you

01:16:17.080 And the romance

01:16:18.260 In a relationship

01:16:19.060 That's long term

01:16:19.880 Is an art

01:16:20.540 It has to be fostered

01:16:22.640 It has to be invested in

01:16:24.240 You know

01:16:24.960 And people don't like

01:16:26.280 To think that

01:16:26.840 Because you think

01:16:27.380 Well sex should be

01:16:28.780 Spontaneous

01:16:29.700 It's like

01:16:30.300 Yeah good luck

01:16:31.000 With that

01:16:31.540 You know

01:16:32.280 It's like

01:16:32.680 Maybe

01:16:34.100 No it's

01:16:35.660 Forget it

01:16:36.520 It's

01:16:36.920 Not over the long run

01:16:39.960 You have to make time

01:16:41.760 You know

01:16:42.040 And when you're first

01:16:42.920 Trying to

01:16:44.160 What

01:16:47.120 Impress someone

01:16:48.420 That you might

01:16:50.300 Want to

01:16:50.980 Sleep with

01:16:51.940 Or have a

01:16:52.480 Relationship with

01:16:53.360 You're willing to

01:16:54.020 Put the time

01:16:54.520 And effort

01:16:54.880 Into it

01:16:55.480 You know

01:16:56.580 So why

01:16:57.140 Wouldn't you do

01:16:57.540 The same thing

01:16:58.240 With the person

01:16:58.940 That you're going

01:16:59.420 To live with

01:16:59.800 For the rest

01:17:00.220 Of your life

01:17:00.840 So why

01:17:01.820 Wouldn't you

01:17:02.140 Think of that

01:17:02.600 As something

01:17:02.960 That's a

01:17:03.720 Necessary investment

01:17:04.640 And the rule of thumb

01:17:05.460 That I've discovered

01:17:06.280 Is two of them

01:17:07.060 Is you want to

01:17:08.040 Have a successful

01:17:08.740 Long term

01:17:09.280 Relationship

01:17:10.040 One is

01:17:10.920 You've got to

01:17:11.280 Talk to each other

01:17:12.040 For 90 minutes

01:17:12.800 A week

01:17:13.220 That's really

01:17:14.320 Painful

01:17:14.980 That whole

01:17:16.120 Conversation

01:17:17.400 It's like

01:17:17.800 Well

01:17:18.080 What have you

01:17:19.080 Been up to

01:17:19.700 And what have

01:17:20.160 I been up to

01:17:20.820 And what am I

01:17:21.300 Worried about

01:17:21.840 And what am I

01:17:22.280 Thinking about

01:17:22.840 It's like

01:17:23.120 I've got a

01:17:23.560 Narrative

01:17:24.060 Of my life

01:17:24.760 And you've

01:17:25.120 Got one

01:17:25.540 And we have

01:17:25.940 To string

01:17:26.960 Them together

01:17:27.580 And that takes

01:17:28.420 About 90 minutes

01:17:29.220 A week

01:17:29.580 Of just

01:17:29.940 Some of that

01:17:30.740 Is just

01:17:30.980 Practical

01:17:31.540 Communication

01:17:32.200 Too

01:17:32.480 About what

01:17:32.880 Has to happen

01:17:33.480 In the household

01:17:34.040 What has to

01:17:34.620 Happen with

01:17:35.000 The kids

01:17:35.460 And what's

01:17:35.840 Going on

01:17:36.240 With the career

01:17:36.800 And why

01:17:37.920 The car

01:17:38.340 Needs to be

01:17:38.940 Fixed

01:17:39.340 You know

01:17:39.600 Just the

01:17:40.040 Mundane

01:17:40.540 Realities

01:17:41.220 Of the

01:17:41.580 Domestic

01:17:42.020 Economy

01:17:42.580 That has

01:17:43.560 To be

01:17:43.820 Discussed

01:17:44.380 And you

01:17:44.600 Need 90

01:17:45.120 Minutes

01:17:45.500 Of that

01:17:45.820 Or you

01:17:46.220 Fall behind

01:17:46.980 And you

01:17:47.560 Get separated

01:17:48.200 And then you

01:17:48.920 Need the

01:17:49.320 Same amount

01:17:49.840 Of time

01:17:50.300 Devoted

01:17:51.200 To something

01:17:52.960 Approximating

01:17:54.260 Intimacy

01:17:55.000 And romance

01:17:55.740 And that

01:17:57.800 Should be

01:17:58.180 Made into

01:17:58.780 An art

01:17:59.420 And it

01:18:00.180 Requires

01:18:00.740 Effort

01:18:01.360 And work

01:18:01.960 It's not

01:18:02.360 Spontaneous

01:18:03.400 Like maybe

01:18:04.140 If you get

01:18:04.560 Really good

01:18:05.080 At it

01:18:05.420 You know

01:18:05.840 If you watch

01:18:06.280 Great ballroom

01:18:07.040 Dancers

01:18:07.560 Or

01:18:07.820 Their actions

01:18:09.680 Look spontaneous

01:18:10.640 It's like

01:18:11.220 Yeah

01:18:11.400 Well they

01:18:11.720 Practiced

01:18:12.200 10,000

01:18:12.860 Hours

01:18:13.220 Before they

01:18:13.740 Got

01:18:13.960 To be

01:18:14.720 Expert

01:18:15.160 At it

01:18:15.560 And why

01:18:16.320 Would you

01:18:16.660 Assume

01:18:17.020 That

01:18:17.300 You

01:18:18.060 Mayor

01:18:18.440 That

01:18:19.240 You

01:18:20.160 Are

01:18:20.360 Boston

01:18:21.900 Ö

01:18:23.060 It's not

01:18:24.280 An easy

01:18:24.760 Thing

01:18:25.060 To keep

01:18:25.460 That spark

01:18:26.220 Alive

01:18:27.700 And vital

01:18:28.560 Across

01:18:29.120 Decades

01:18:30.160 you have to be awake and careful and you have to make it a priority and so there is that planning

01:18:35.440 and diligent work and it's worthwhile thinking it's like what do you want you want you want a

01:18:39.580 life without romance it's like how much pleasure is there in life you know there's a handful of

01:18:44.700 pleasures that's all and they're they're easily foregone and then they're gone better to plan and

01:18:52.860 work diligently to maintain them I'll read you the other

01:18:57.600 rule nine is if old memories still make you cry write them down carefully and completely

01:19:10.460 that's a good one if something's bothering you from the past and you think about it still makes

01:19:18.080 you upset part of you stuck back there there's there's part of your soul that's stuck back there

01:19:25.260 and you need it in the present you're lesser than you should be and the fact that those memories still

01:19:34.520 contain emotion is an indication that that part of your experience has not been sufficiently

01:19:41.060 articulated and that you have not been freed from the past so that's a useful thing to know

01:19:47.320 18 months is about a good rule of thumb and there's actually neurological reasons for that

01:19:52.120 so if something's plaguing you though those will be often memories that recur sometimes they're

01:19:57.460 nightmares that recur if it's plaguing you if it comes back up this still bothers me

01:20:02.500 well then you're you're you're you're stuck in the past there's part of you there's part of

01:20:08.800 there's no better way of putting it than that there's part of your soul that's stuck in the past

01:20:13.120 and you need to rescue it you need to bring it up to the present because life is demanding enough so

01:20:18.900 that it takes all of you here and now to deal with it properly and if you're stuck in the past then

01:20:25.180 you're weaker than you then you have to be and you'll pay for that but if you write them down if

01:20:32.420 you write the memories down if you thoroughly assess them and analyze them try to understand what went wrong

01:20:40.480 and how that might not be duplicated in the future then you can

01:20:45.380 I'll tell you a story then maybe I'll stop with this I'd like to read the rest of these rules

01:20:52.500 all right

01:20:55.580 rule 11 be grateful in spite of your suffering and rule 12 do not allow yourself to become resentful

01:21:05.440 deceitful or arrogant I'll tell you a story about being stuck in the past that's quite interesting

01:21:10.460 I know this man who was very badly abused when he was a child really in a horrific manner and

01:21:17.640 he told me at one point that he's about 50 he said he hadn't looked in the mirror for 35 years

01:21:24.100 because he couldn't stand looking at himself

01:21:27.180 and so 35 years and then he was having these dreams

01:21:33.100 about the abuse and in the dreams he was still five years old and being abused

01:21:38.660 and so I told him you got to look in the mirror because you don't know how old you are

01:21:43.420 you have to look so he's hiding things in the fog and it's no bloody wonder I'll tell you

01:21:49.820 if you went through what he went through you would hide them in the fog too

01:21:53.480 but doesn't matter because it happened it has to be dealt with

01:21:57.260 and so he looked in the mirror for an hour I said you look in the mirror for an hour

01:22:02.000 and he said he did that it made him cry he didn't know he was old

01:22:05.320 it was a shock to him you know but he said it was really useful and

01:22:09.340 and it made him sad but it also made him happy at the same time he experienced all sorts of emotions

01:22:14.400 you know and so and then I also told him okay so you're having these terrible dreams about being abused

01:22:22.360 so you have to look in the mirror because you don't know how old you are

01:22:24.800 there's a part of you that doesn't know how old you are

01:22:26.500 and so in the dream you're still five and you're still a victim

01:22:28.940 you're still a five-year-old victim but you're not five man you're 50

01:22:32.260 it's like that needs to be updated

01:22:35.360 that's not happening to you anymore because you're a different person

01:22:38.520 but part of you doesn't know it

01:22:40.240 so you got to look at yourself

01:22:41.480 even though that's a horrifying thing to do

01:22:43.880 you got to look at yourself

01:22:45.480 I said well when you have the dream you

01:22:47.240 it's a terrible nightmare you wake up

01:22:48.920 and then what you do is you think about that nightmare you relive it

01:22:52.280 that's another therapeutic technique

01:22:54.680 if you're trying to help someone get over post-traumatic stress disorder

01:22:57.680 let's say they were violently sexually assaulted

01:23:00.360 but it was a while back

01:23:01.520 and they're still having recurrent nightmares about that

01:23:03.760 it's still really really disturbing them

01:23:06.200 one of the things you have them do is you have them imagine the assault in as much detail as they can manage

01:23:12.400 and the more detail they can imagine it in and the more upset they get while they imagine it

01:23:18.320 the faster they get better and the longer the recovery lasts

01:23:22.960 that's something that's really worth knowing

01:23:25.040 so I suggested to him that when he had a nightmare that in the day he remember the nightmare voluntarily

01:23:32.160 well so what does that mean it's like

01:23:34.160 well you know if something frightens you and you avoid it

01:23:37.440 then what happens is that when you avoid it you're telling yourself that that thing is so frightening that you have to avoid it

01:23:43.200 and so your brain thinks well that's a bigger monster than you are a warrior

01:23:48.000 but then if you think no I'm going to turn around and face it

01:23:52.080 whatever it is

01:23:53.280 then you send the reverse message

01:23:54.960 it's like no matter how terrible that is

01:23:56.920 and it can be pretty damn terrible

01:23:58.540 it's not so terrible that I can't look at it

01:24:01.740 and so then you get bigger and it gets smaller

01:24:04.500 and I explained that to him you know

01:24:06.300 and said you concentrate those dreams are terrible

01:24:09.120 and no wonder they disturb you

01:24:10.540 you concentrate on bringing them to mind voluntarily

01:24:13.960 and so what happened was he started to age in his dreams

01:24:17.080 took about three months

01:24:18.780 last time I talked to him he was up to 35

01:24:21.080 that happened over about a three month period

01:24:22.860 and even though he had been stuck that way for 45 years

01:24:27.620 you know to turn around and face that

01:24:30.400 well

01:24:34.160 so that was an example of

01:24:36.880 let me just look here for a second

01:24:38.740 of old memories still make you cry

01:24:44.060 it's an example of

01:24:45.640 facing things

01:24:47.060 and banishing the

01:24:49.260 and banishing the ghosts from the shadows

01:24:52.140 you know so

01:24:53.800 well

01:24:54.760 I didn't really expect to talk to you only about that new book tonight

01:24:58.960 but I guess that's what happened

01:25:00.260 so

01:25:01.220 what will I close with

01:25:12.120 I'll close with what I've observed I guess over the last year

01:25:17.340 what's been so cool about all of this

01:25:19.080 you know is that

01:25:19.760 what have I been trying to do

01:25:22.020 I've been trying to bring what I learned about

01:25:24.660 about proper clinical practice in the deepest sense to as many people as I can possibly manage

01:25:30.260 you know that's

01:25:30.900 that's part of

01:25:31.900 that's a reasonable goal for someone who's a professor an educator and a clinical psychologist

01:25:36.720 right it seems like an appropriate thing to do

01:25:38.720 you know and the ethos that underlies 12 rules for life is

01:25:42.760 I would say it's an ethical

01:25:44.660 it's ethical in the fundamental sense

01:25:48.260 I think it's true that

01:25:50.000 it's better to tell the truth than it is to lie

01:25:55.300 it's better because it makes your life better

01:25:57.420 in every possible way

01:25:59.500 and even more importantly

01:26:01.640 it makes your life less horrible

01:26:03.800 so even if it doesn't bring heaven on earth to you

01:26:07.380 it might keep hell at bay

01:26:08.980 and that is really something

01:26:10.640 and it's really something

01:26:12.100 to know that

01:26:13.580 it's important to adopt responsibility

01:26:15.660 that's the one rule I wanted to return to

01:26:17.940 opportunity lurks where responsibility has been abdicated

01:26:20.980 that's a very very cool thing to know

01:26:23.320 is that

01:26:23.740 there's responsibility for setting the world right

01:26:26.400 that lays all around you

01:26:27.560 and you can tell that because things bother you about the world

01:26:30.600 right they prey on you

01:26:32.180 and they might even undermine your faith in existence itself

01:26:35.260 because things aren't set right you know

01:26:37.320 but then that's a voice inside of you that says

01:26:39.620 well there is a right

01:26:41.120 and things could be set that way

01:26:43.380 because why would you be bothered otherwise

01:26:45.200 it wouldn't disturb you

01:26:47.040 but it does disturb you

01:26:48.060 and it's because

01:26:48.620 you've got an ethical core

01:26:51.180 and when you're disturbed by the fact that things aren't set right

01:26:54.900 that's actually a call to you

01:26:56.500 to set them right

01:26:57.440 it's a call to adventure

01:26:58.960 and it's a call to opportunity

01:27:00.660 you know I've been talking to people all over the world about that

01:27:03.700 and people respond very positively to that

01:27:06.140 because well I guess it isn't something that we've been very good at articulating

01:27:09.340 you know the world's a mess

01:27:11.200 in all sorts of ways

01:27:12.660 and it disturbs us deeply

01:27:14.260 and it's easy for us to turn away from that

01:27:16.620 and it's easy to become cynical and bitter

01:27:18.780 and then worse

01:27:19.660 but it's not the right approach

01:27:21.280 the right approach is to think

01:27:22.800 oh look I've noticed that things aren't right

01:27:25.060 and it's bothering me

01:27:26.720 you know enough to undermine me

01:27:28.240 it's like well what should I do about that

01:27:29.700 it's like well maybe I should do something about it

01:27:31.480 maybe that's the fact that my conscience is bothered

01:27:35.760 my sense of propriety

01:27:37.580 my sense of functioning properly in the world

01:27:39.400 is disturbed by my observation that things aren't right

01:27:43.060 is an indication that

01:27:45.040 I have an ethical responsibility to do something about that

01:27:48.620 why else would it bother me

01:27:50.740 then you think oh well you know

01:27:52.780 well where's the meaning in life to be found

01:27:54.900 if there's a meaning in life

01:27:56.600 where is it to be found

01:27:57.500 well maybe that's where it's to be found

01:27:59.000 it's like it's to be found in

01:28:00.380 the responsibility that manifests itself

01:28:04.280 when you realize that things are out of kilter

01:28:06.460 out of order

01:28:07.140 and that it bothers you

01:28:08.700 it's like what bothers you

01:28:10.860 that's what calls you forward

01:28:12.720 into who you could be

01:28:13.920 that's what calls you forward

01:28:15.420 into participating in the process

01:28:17.080 of setting the world right

01:28:18.300 and there's meaning in that

01:28:19.840 and it's not just psychological meaning

01:28:22.000 you know

01:28:22.320 it's not just a psychological phenomenon

01:28:24.260 because it turns out that

01:28:25.360 you know maybe

01:28:26.540 you're not happy with the way

01:28:28.100 that your family is constituted

01:28:29.540 and the way everyone is not getting along

01:28:31.380 and you decide you're going to do something about that

01:28:33.040 that's what makes you feel better

01:28:33.980 because you're doing something about it

01:28:35.260 and great

01:28:36.080 you feel better

01:28:36.900 that's the psychological meaning

01:28:38.580 but it's also the case

01:28:40.140 that you are genuinely a problem solver

01:28:42.340 and it's possible

01:28:43.020 that you could help your family communicate better

01:28:45.640 and then that wouldn't just be a psychological improvement

01:28:48.680 that would be an actual improvement

01:28:50.440 and it does seem to me

01:28:51.980 that we're capable of actual improvements

01:28:54.220 as well as psychological improvements

01:28:56.040 and if we took our distaste for the world seriously

01:29:01.060 and noticed that that was a call

01:29:03.340 from our conscience to action

01:29:05.500 that we would start to act forthrightly in the world

01:29:08.260 and set things right

01:29:09.840 and then the question would be

01:29:11.320 well

01:29:11.600 how right could they be set

01:29:13.900 and you know I said

01:29:15.360 well opportunity lurks

01:29:16.620 where responsibility has been abdicated

01:29:18.600 well that's

01:29:19.100 I learned opportunity

01:29:20.520 that's the wind that blows you into a port

01:29:22.740 that's what opportunity means

01:29:24.580 that's the derivation

01:29:25.600 and responsibility is the wind

01:29:27.420 that blows you into a port

01:29:28.640 there's things that are crying out to be done

01:29:31.200 and you know it

01:29:32.220 and it can make you bitter

01:29:33.200 it's like no

01:29:34.160 it's like

01:29:34.740 you could do them

01:29:36.500 you could start doing them

01:29:38.140 you could try to do them

01:29:39.800 that would be something

01:29:41.380 God only knows what you could accomplish

01:29:43.680 if you did that

01:29:44.680 God only knows what you could transform yourself into

01:29:47.960 if you did that

01:29:48.900 and then that's

01:29:50.160 that seems to me to be the adventure of life

01:29:52.520 it's like well

01:29:53.160 who are you exactly

01:29:54.820 well how are you going to find it out

01:29:56.460 well take on the responsibility

01:29:58.620 for making things better

01:30:00.000 and see how far you can go with that

01:30:03.000 and you know

01:30:03.860 I've talked to thousands of people

01:30:05.420 over the last year

01:30:06.420 and it's been so much fun

01:30:07.960 people

01:30:09.700 after the talks

01:30:11.400 or maybe I meet them on the street

01:30:12.660 and they say

01:30:12.960 look I've been trying this

01:30:14.000 I've been trying to tell the truth

01:30:15.100 or at least not to lie

01:30:16.080 I've been trying to sort my family out

01:30:17.700 I've been trying to take on more responsibility

01:30:19.660 develop a bit of a vision for my life

01:30:22.000 a little bit of discipline

01:30:23.180 you know what

01:30:23.800 it's really working

01:30:25.280 I was in a terribly

01:30:26.580 dark and black place

01:30:29.100 and I started to

01:30:30.820 set things straight carefully

01:30:33.060 and things are way better

01:30:34.940 it's like well

01:30:36.440 you know

01:30:37.020 maybe that's true

01:30:38.660 that'd be so cool

01:30:40.100 if it was true

01:30:40.940 you know maybe

01:30:42.260 maybe we have

01:30:43.420 what is necessary within us

01:30:45.740 to cope with

01:30:46.560 life

01:30:48.140 no matter how terrible life is

01:30:49.900 and not only can we cope with it

01:30:52.000 but we can actually improve it

01:30:53.480 and improve it substantively

01:30:55.400 and continually

01:30:56.400 and we can find meaning in that

01:30:58.360 and we can make things better

01:30:59.960 and so

01:31:01.420 well that's what I'm hoping will happen

01:31:03.280 and I think that that's why

01:31:04.320 so many people are coming to

01:31:05.580 listen to these talks

01:31:06.640 is because people have some sense

01:31:08.160 that

01:31:08.380 you know

01:31:09.120 that's a real possibility

01:31:10.200 that they can participate in that

01:31:11.720 and that there isn't anything

01:31:12.660 better that they could possibly be doing

01:31:15.140 and so

01:31:16.480 and then I'm hoping that

01:31:17.660 in this era of unparalleled possibility

01:31:21.480 that sort of stretches itself out

01:31:23.340 in front of us now

01:31:24.200 that if there's enough people

01:31:26.240 who get their act together

01:31:27.400 you know

01:31:27.900 as individuals

01:31:29.020 who are each at the center of the world

01:31:31.180 if enough of us get our act together

01:31:32.740 then maybe we can

01:31:33.980 take that tremendous possibility

01:31:36.000 that's come along with our technological

01:31:37.940 what's our technological potency

01:31:40.220 and we can make things

01:31:41.160 so much better than they already

01:31:43.240 that we can hardly even imagine it

01:31:44.840 and like what the hell

01:31:46.300 that's worth pursuing

01:31:47.340 man that's worth

01:31:48.240 that's worth investing in

01:31:49.920 like why not do that

01:31:52.100 and so I hope that you do that

01:32:01.400 and I'm very thankful

01:32:03.220 that I've had the opportunity

01:32:04.900 to talk to you about it

01:32:05.980 and it was a pleasure

01:32:08.260 to speak with all of you

01:32:09.440 so good night

01:32:11.040 truly and I wouldn't lie

01:32:30.420 we've done a hundred some odd shows

01:32:32.320 that honestly might have been

01:32:33.580 the best ending

01:32:34.540 of any of the shows

01:32:35.480 that we've done

01:32:36.040 I mean you guys feeling that right now

01:32:37.740 like

01:32:38.100 by the way

01:32:42.600 I want to give a quick shout out

01:32:43.900 I don't know if you saw

01:32:44.560 there was a young lady

01:32:45.540 doing sign language

01:32:46.680 right here

01:32:47.580 that quite possibly

01:32:55.300 might have been

01:32:55.780 the most difficult hour and a half

01:32:57.240 of sign language

01:32:57.920 in the history of the world

01:32:59.580 so you guys saw

01:33:00.540 multi levels of things right now

01:33:02.580 so yeah

01:33:03.580 give it up for her

01:33:04.400 all right

01:33:10.040 so we're going to do

01:33:10.840 a Q&A

01:33:11.580 you guys sent in

01:33:12.360 a ton of questions

01:33:13.280 before I do that though

01:33:14.520 where's Julia

01:33:15.720 who I was emailing with today

01:33:17.120 Julia

01:33:18.160 you up there somewhere

01:33:18.960 so Julia runs

01:33:20.400 an IDW San Diego group

01:33:22.560 and she's inviting

01:33:23.820 all of you guys

01:33:24.900 to the Gaslamp Tavern

01:33:27.080 on 5th

01:33:27.800 after the show

01:33:28.660 maybe I'll make

01:33:30.220 a guest appearance

01:33:30.920 we'll see

01:33:31.580 we'll see

01:33:32.440 so check that out

01:33:34.180 after the show

01:33:34.800 and I should tell you guys

01:33:36.600 this is actually

01:33:37.140 Jordan's computer

01:33:37.960 and we've gotten close

01:33:40.440 I have the password

01:33:41.200 he's on Twitter right now

01:33:43.180 I could end it all tonight

01:33:47.400 not tonight

01:33:51.880 Jordan Peterson everybody

01:33:53.040 man you were ready

01:34:05.260 to do the last

01:34:07.260 U.S. show tonight

01:34:08.360 huh

01:34:08.640 yeah I got enough sleep

01:34:10.260 today I guess

01:34:10.920 and ate enough steak

01:34:12.100 he's 90% steak

01:34:15.700 people

01:34:16.100 you want to go to

01:34:18.220 the Gaslamp

01:34:18.800 after the show

01:34:19.720 with all

01:34:24.840 with all

01:34:25.400 3,000 of you

01:34:26.400 that should be fun

01:34:27.340 all right

01:34:31.480 we got some deep ones

01:34:32.860 we're going to go deep

01:34:33.460 tonight

01:34:33.660 all right

01:34:34.340 all right

01:34:34.760 are there any topics

01:34:36.700 you choose to avoid

01:34:38.520 not really

01:34:46.880 I mean

01:34:49.260 one of the

01:34:51.160 I think one of my

01:34:54.120 peculiarities

01:34:55.760 that's a very long list

01:34:57.660 by the way

01:34:58.240 is that

01:34:59.800 I'm

01:35:00.800 willing to have

01:35:02.360 conversations

01:35:03.020 that other people

01:35:03.740 won't have

01:35:04.360 and some of that's

01:35:05.840 a really

01:35:06.340 one of the things

01:35:13.120 I think I've learned

01:35:14.200 partly from what

01:35:15.860 I've studied

01:35:16.340 but also

01:35:16.880 partly

01:35:17.720 because of

01:35:18.700 all the work

01:35:19.460 I've done clinically

01:35:20.180 is that

01:35:20.780 terrible as it is

01:35:23.980 to have a

01:35:24.580 hard conversation

01:35:25.660 the alternative

01:35:28.960 is always worse

01:35:30.080 see because

01:35:31.200 one of the things

01:35:31.880 that I became

01:35:32.800 convinced of

01:35:33.500 in my clinical

01:35:35.800 practice

01:35:36.360 and in my

01:35:37.120 personal life

01:35:37.720 was that

01:35:38.200 no one ever

01:35:40.300 gets away with

01:35:40.860 anything

01:35:41.280 ever

01:35:43.540 people think

01:35:46.760 they get away

01:35:47.260 with things

01:35:47.660 but it's because

01:35:48.260 they are

01:35:48.680 blind

01:35:49.720 they blind

01:35:50.860 themselves

01:35:51.520 to the consequences

01:35:52.600 of their actions

01:35:53.500 you know

01:35:54.240 and so people

01:35:54.740 will come

01:35:55.120 to see me

01:35:55.900 in the therapeutic

01:35:56.660 setting

01:35:57.580 and they'll have

01:35:58.800 a problem

01:35:59.320 and then we'll

01:36:00.220 untangle it

01:36:01.120 you know

01:36:01.440 and maybe we have

01:36:02.040 to go back

01:36:02.480 15 or 20

01:36:03.380 years to

01:36:03.880 untangle it

01:36:04.580 and there's

01:36:05.740 something back

01:36:07.180 there that

01:36:07.640 was an error

01:36:09.940 it wasn't always

01:36:10.760 necessarily an error

01:36:11.700 that they made

01:36:12.340 it might have been

01:36:12.760 an error that

01:36:13.280 someone else

01:36:13.740 made

01:36:13.940 a moral error

01:36:14.620 but there's

01:36:15.260 always something

01:36:16.240 at the bottom

01:36:17.240 of it

01:36:17.560 and what's even

01:36:18.880 more horrible

01:36:19.500 is that it's

01:36:20.220 very frequently

01:36:20.900 the case

01:36:21.400 that what's

01:36:22.040 at the bottom

01:36:22.720 of it

01:36:23.020 was something

01:36:23.580 that the person

01:36:24.300 knew was wrong

01:36:25.420 when they did

01:36:26.320 it and then

01:36:27.060 forgot

01:36:27.680 and you have to

01:36:28.920 untangle it all

01:36:29.840 and get right

01:36:30.280 down to the bottom

01:36:31.020 and it's ugly

01:36:31.760 terrible

01:36:32.840 terrible ugliness

01:36:34.640 at the bottom

01:36:35.260 you know

01:36:36.020 it's like surgery

01:36:36.880 in some sense

01:36:37.740 and you can fix that

01:36:39.360 and those are

01:36:39.760 horrible conversations

01:36:40.860 and you really

01:36:42.140 have to

01:36:42.520 you have to

01:36:43.480 pursue the

01:36:44.480 problem

01:36:45.300 right to the

01:36:45.960 bitter end

01:36:46.580 to undo it

01:36:48.540 you have to do

01:36:49.760 this in a marriage

01:36:50.520 which is a very

01:36:51.160 difficult thing to do

01:36:52.220 to make peace

01:36:53.840 and

01:36:54.960 but I know

01:36:56.280 that the consequence

01:36:57.120 of not doing that

01:36:58.000 is worse

01:36:58.540 and so even if

01:36:59.620 the conversation

01:37:00.320 is terribly

01:37:01.080 difficult

01:37:01.600 it's easier

01:37:03.520 than not having

01:37:04.520 it

01:37:04.740 as hard as it

01:37:05.700 is

01:37:06.000 and I guess

01:37:07.100 it's partly

01:37:07.500 because I'm

01:37:08.320 pessimistic

01:37:09.180 in

01:37:09.920 I'm pessimistic

01:37:12.760 in that

01:37:13.740 I don't believe

01:37:15.120 that there's

01:37:15.580 an easy out

01:37:16.380 you either

01:37:17.660 solve the damn

01:37:18.500 problem

01:37:18.920 or it never

01:37:19.580 goes away

01:37:20.500 there's this line

01:37:22.300 in the Old Testament

01:37:23.100 that the sins

01:37:24.360 of the fathers

01:37:25.600 will be visited

01:37:26.400 on the sons

01:37:27.180 for seven generations

01:37:28.460 and something

01:37:29.440 like that

01:37:30.080 until you think

01:37:30.740 god that's not

01:37:31.440 very fair

01:37:32.040 what sort of

01:37:32.620 you know

01:37:32.940 who set that up

01:37:34.520 it's like

01:37:35.280 but it's

01:37:37.280 the truth of the

01:37:38.580 matter is

01:37:39.060 is that

01:37:39.380 if you put a

01:37:40.520 twist in the

01:37:41.200 fabric of reality

01:37:42.280 with deceit

01:37:43.760 you know

01:37:44.160 with an

01:37:45.020 immoral action

01:37:45.860 that twist

01:37:47.180 never goes away

01:37:48.620 until someone

01:37:49.320 straightens it out

01:37:50.600 it stays there

01:37:51.620 and it causes

01:37:52.160 trouble

01:37:52.800 it generates

01:37:54.100 catastrophe

01:37:55.280 and so

01:37:56.300 then you

01:37:56.600 have to

01:37:56.880 go in

01:37:57.260 and

01:37:57.600 sort it

01:37:59.420 out

01:37:59.760 as deep

01:38:01.960 you have to

01:38:02.700 go down

01:38:03.020 as deep

01:38:03.480 as you

01:38:03.780 possibly

01:38:04.200 can

01:38:04.560 and set

01:38:05.060 it right

01:38:05.520 and then

01:38:06.360 maybe

01:38:06.660 you get

01:38:07.360 some peace

01:38:08.020 that's a good

01:38:08.900 thing to pursue

01:38:09.700 is peace

01:38:10.440 if you can do

01:38:11.080 it

01:38:11.240 but

01:38:11.420 peace doesn't

01:38:13.380 occur

01:38:13.740 as a consequence

01:38:14.480 of avoiding

01:38:15.220 you don't get

01:38:17.840 peace

01:38:18.220 by pretending

01:38:18.900 that you have

01:38:19.540 peace

01:38:20.000 that doesn't

01:38:21.800 work

01:38:22.140 you get

01:38:23.200 peace

01:38:23.500 by noticing

01:38:24.300 that you

01:38:24.760 don't have

01:38:25.300 peace

01:38:25.720 and then

01:38:26.380 doing something

01:38:27.140 about it

01:38:27.740 I think

01:38:28.720 that's why

01:38:29.100 it's said

01:38:29.400 in the

01:38:29.640 New Testament

01:38:30.180 I think

01:38:30.640 that's why

01:38:30.980 Christ said

01:38:31.520 that he came

01:38:31.960 to bring

01:38:32.300 a sword

01:38:32.840 you know

01:38:34.280 the sword

01:38:35.160 is something

01:38:35.640 that divides

01:38:36.940 you know

01:38:37.840 it cuts

01:38:38.460 it judges

01:38:39.720 it discriminates

01:38:41.520 it differentiates

01:38:42.640 and that

01:38:43.600 that makes

01:38:44.140 peace

01:38:44.680 you cut away

01:38:46.260 what isn't

01:38:46.840 appropriate

01:38:47.640 and you

01:38:48.460 and you

01:38:48.920 dispense with

01:38:49.760 it

01:38:49.980 and it's

01:38:50.520 painful

01:38:51.000 but it

01:38:51.920 leaves

01:38:52.300 what's

01:38:52.680 healthy

01:38:53.080 behind

01:38:53.640 and so

01:38:55.200 no

01:38:56.320 there aren't

01:38:56.800 topics

01:38:57.200 that

01:38:57.480 that I

01:38:58.400 avoid

01:38:59.980 that doesn't

01:39:00.860 mean that

01:39:01.220 I would

01:39:01.620 I'm

01:39:02.180 happy to

01:39:03.740 undertake

01:39:04.880 them

01:39:05.280 you know

01:39:05.700 it's

01:39:06.240 a pain

01:39:07.440 but

01:39:08.820 it's

01:39:10.220 not as

01:39:10.880 bad as

01:39:11.380 the alternative

01:39:12.020 period

01:39:13.560 I like

01:39:21.700 I like

01:39:21.720 this one

01:39:22.200 what's

01:39:23.440 your plan

01:39:24.060 after you

01:39:24.800 win this

01:39:25.340 revolution

01:39:25.900 no pressure

01:39:30.120 well the

01:39:33.480 win idea

01:39:34.120 is a funny

01:39:34.680 one

01:39:34.940 you know

01:39:35.240 because

01:39:35.660 win

01:39:38.740 implies

01:39:40.500 that you

01:39:40.940 that you're

01:39:41.820 it implies

01:39:42.860 the defeat

01:39:43.580 of some

01:39:44.080 one

01:39:44.840 and

01:39:46.080 I gotta

01:39:48.440 think about

01:39:48.940 that for a

01:39:49.460 second

01:39:49.700 there's only

01:39:53.260 one kind

01:39:53.780 of victory

01:39:54.260 I think

01:39:54.840 that's

01:39:56.220 real

01:39:56.600 and

01:39:57.720 that's

01:39:58.840 that's

01:40:00.660 whatever

01:40:00.960 victory

01:40:01.420 is

01:40:03.420 part

01:40:06.240 what

01:40:06.840 it's

01:40:07.100 whatever

01:40:07.440 victory

01:40:08.020 there is

01:40:08.500 in

01:40:08.640 attempting

01:40:09.040 to

01:40:09.300 maintain

01:40:09.620 your

01:40:09.940 integrity

01:40:10.500 under

01:40:11.400 trying

01:40:12.520 conditions

01:40:13.200 you know

01:40:14.100 one of

01:40:17.260 the things

01:40:17.640 that I

01:40:18.480 decided

01:40:21.200 a long

01:40:22.960 time ago

01:40:23.440 I

01:40:24.940 kind of

01:40:25.880 noticed

01:40:26.220 that there

01:40:26.600 were two

01:40:27.080 ways

01:40:28.000 that you

01:40:28.360 could conduct

01:40:28.840 yourself

01:40:29.200 in the

01:40:29.420 world

01:40:29.600 I wrote

01:40:29.940 about this

01:40:30.460 in

01:40:30.700 12 rules

01:40:31.860 for life

01:40:32.300 in the

01:40:32.800 chapter

01:40:33.160 do what

01:40:33.580 is meaningful

01:40:34.100 and not

01:40:34.480 what is

01:40:34.760 expedient

01:40:35.360 I

01:40:36.440 learned

01:40:37.140 that

01:40:37.420 you know

01:40:38.960 you can

01:40:39.300 use your

01:40:39.760 language

01:40:40.100 to craft

01:40:41.060 the outcomes

01:40:41.860 that you

01:40:42.320 desire

01:40:42.760 and so

01:40:43.240 if you're

01:40:44.180 talking to

01:40:44.660 someone

01:40:44.880 you can

01:40:45.220 decide

01:40:45.540 what you

01:40:45.880 want

01:40:46.220 from

01:40:46.520 them

01:40:46.860 and then

01:40:47.680 you can

01:40:48.180 craft

01:40:49.120 your

01:40:49.500 language

01:40:49.980 to get

01:40:50.660 that

01:40:51.140 and then

01:40:51.860 you can

01:40:52.140 call that

01:40:52.520 a victory

01:40:53.020 you know

01:40:54.320 and I

01:40:54.740 think

01:40:54.940 that's

01:40:55.220 often

01:40:55.520 why

01:40:55.780 I

01:40:56.340 think

01:40:56.520 a lot

01:40:56.820 of

01:40:56.920 that

01:40:57.120 pathologized

01:40:58.300 your

01:40:58.600 last

01:40:59.040 presidential

01:40:59.960 election

01:41:00.540 I

01:41:01.800 think

01:41:02.020 one

01:41:02.220 of

01:41:02.360 the

01:41:02.740 fundamental

01:41:03.560 faults

01:41:04.060 of

01:41:04.240 Hillary

01:41:04.520 Clinton

01:41:04.920 was

01:41:06.000 that

01:41:06.280 everything

01:41:07.140 she did

01:41:07.580 was crafted

01:41:08.200 for a

01:41:08.600 particular

01:41:08.860 outcome

01:41:09.400 she wanted

01:41:10.320 to be

01:41:10.580 president

01:41:10.980 what do

01:41:12.060 you do

01:41:12.340 if you

01:41:12.800 want to

01:41:12.940 be

01:41:13.040 president

01:41:13.340 you say

01:41:14.140 everything

01:41:14.600 that you

01:41:15.060 should

01:41:15.300 say

01:41:15.600 if you

01:41:15.920 want to

01:41:16.200 be

01:41:16.340 president

01:41:16.820 but then

01:41:20.060 you can't

01:41:21.120 what you

01:41:21.480 say

01:41:21.640 can't

01:41:21.940 be

01:41:22.080 trusted

01:41:22.460 because

01:41:22.840 it

01:41:23.220 isn't

01:41:23.540 a

01:41:23.740 representation

01:41:24.520 of the

01:41:25.180 world

01:41:25.480 it's

01:41:25.840 a

01:41:26.000 tool

01:41:26.540 to

01:41:26.820 obtain

01:41:27.540 something

01:41:28.060 from

01:41:28.360 the

01:41:28.560 world

01:41:28.880 it's

01:41:29.600 manipulative

01:41:30.280 and

01:41:31.220 you

01:41:31.300 might

01:41:31.440 say

01:41:31.620 well

01:41:31.800 it's

01:41:32.000 necessary

01:41:32.480 if

01:41:32.700 you

01:41:32.780 want

01:41:32.900 to

01:41:32.960 be

01:41:33.080 president

01:41:33.480 like

01:41:33.780 well

01:41:34.000 first

01:41:34.460 of

01:41:34.560 all

01:41:34.660 I

01:41:34.740 don't

01:41:34.880 think

01:41:35.060 it

01:41:35.160 is

01:41:35.320 necessary

01:41:35.840 second

01:41:36.680 of

01:41:36.880 all

01:41:37.000 it's

01:41:37.160 not

01:41:37.340 obvious

01:41:37.700 that

01:41:37.940 if

01:41:38.100 you

01:41:38.220 become

01:41:38.560 president

01:41:39.040 under

01:41:39.420 those

01:41:39.720 circumstances

01:41:40.400 that

01:41:40.980 there's

01:41:41.200 anything

01:41:41.680 left

01:41:42.240 of

01:41:42.460 you

01:41:42.640 by

01:41:42.880 the

01:41:43.060 time

01:41:43.320 you

01:41:43.480 become

01:41:43.800 president

01:41:44.400 right

01:41:45.340 and I

01:41:45.640 think

01:41:45.920 people

01:41:46.240 and I'm

01:41:46.940 not

01:41:47.360 and I'm

01:41:47.900 not

01:41:48.060 trying

01:41:48.280 to

01:41:48.460 contrast

01:41:48.860 her

01:41:49.360 brutally

01:41:50.100 with

01:41:50.400 Trump

01:41:50.780 you

01:41:50.980 know

01:41:51.080 my

01:41:51.840 sense

01:41:52.180 with

01:41:52.380 Trump

01:41:52.660 was

01:41:52.880 that

01:41:53.060 people

01:41:53.380 preferred

01:41:53.880 the

01:41:54.120 unscripted

01:41:55.020 and

01:41:55.480 impulsive

01:41:56.040 lies

01:41:56.500 of

01:41:56.700 Donald

01:41:57.040 Trump

01:41:57.400 to

01:41:57.680 the

01:41:57.920 scripted

01:41:58.500 and

01:41:58.960 carefully

01:41:59.440 formulated

01:42:00.060 lies

01:42:00.500 of

01:42:00.700 Clinton

01:42:01.080 but

01:42:09.740 there's

01:42:09.960 another

01:42:10.220 way

01:42:10.420 to

01:42:10.560 use

01:42:10.780 your

01:42:10.960 language

01:42:11.460 and

01:42:11.740 that

01:42:12.320 way

01:42:12.620 and

01:42:13.360 that's

01:42:13.960 to

01:42:14.140 just

01:42:14.380 say

01:42:14.600 what

01:42:14.800 you

01:42:14.960 think

01:42:15.340 to

01:42:15.680 say

01:42:15.920 what

01:42:16.140 you

01:42:16.280 believe

01:42:16.600 to

01:42:16.760 be

01:42:16.880 the

01:42:17.060 case

01:42:17.380 as

01:42:17.560 carefully

01:42:17.920 as

01:42:18.180 you

01:42:18.300 possibly

01:42:18.720 can

01:42:19.100 and

01:42:19.280 then

01:42:19.420 to

01:42:19.600 let

01:42:19.820 the

01:42:20.220 chips

01:42:20.840 fall

01:42:21.200 where

01:42:21.440 they're

01:42:21.580 going

01:42:21.840 to

01:42:22.060 and

01:42:22.640 I

01:42:22.920 think

01:42:23.180 that's

01:42:23.640 the

01:42:23.960 right

01:42:24.160 way

01:42:24.320 to

01:42:24.520 live

01:42:24.840 I

01:42:26.860 think

01:42:27.100 that

01:42:27.360 that's

01:42:28.420 that's

01:42:29.280 the

01:42:29.420 essence

01:42:29.760 of

01:42:30.000 faith

01:42:30.540 fundamentally

01:42:31.620 is to

01:42:32.480 believe

01:42:32.900 that

01:42:33.200 truth

01:42:33.720 will

01:42:34.040 prevail

01:42:34.660 and

01:42:36.520 it's

01:42:36.720 a strange

01:42:37.260 thing

01:42:37.500 to

01:42:37.660 believe

01:42:37.920 because

01:42:38.240 when

01:42:38.460 you

01:42:38.620 say

01:42:38.880 things

01:42:39.240 that

01:42:39.420 you

01:42:39.540 believe

01:42:39.860 to

01:42:40.020 be

01:42:40.160 true

01:42:40.480 the

01:42:41.880 immediate

01:42:42.340 consequence

01:42:42.920 of that

01:42:43.400 might

01:42:43.620 not

01:42:43.820 be

01:42:44.040 good

01:42:44.320 it

01:42:44.480 can

01:42:44.640 get

01:42:44.820 you

01:42:44.940 in

01:42:45.060 lots

01:42:45.280 of

01:42:45.440 trouble

01:42:45.760 well

01:42:46.000 everyone

01:42:46.220 knows

01:42:46.540 that

01:42:46.720 look

01:42:47.560 why

01:42:48.160 do

01:42:48.340 you

01:42:48.500 lie

01:42:48.940 because

01:42:49.920 telling

01:42:50.300 the

01:42:50.500 truth

01:42:50.740 will

01:42:50.920 get

01:42:51.080 you

01:42:51.220 in

01:42:51.340 trouble

01:42:51.680 obviously

01:42:52.780 so

01:42:53.680 you

01:42:53.840 think

01:42:54.020 well

01:42:54.240 I'm

01:42:54.600 not

01:42:54.720 going

01:42:54.840 to

01:42:54.920 tell

01:42:55.080 the

01:42:55.220 truth

01:42:55.400 it's

01:42:55.600 going

01:42:55.700 to

01:42:55.760 get

01:42:55.880 me

01:42:56.000 in

01:42:56.140 trouble

01:42:56.380 it's

01:42:56.620 like

01:42:56.800 well

01:42:57.100 yeah

01:42:57.580 but

01:42:59.040 you

01:42:59.140 think

01:42:59.340 the

01:42:59.500 lie

01:42:59.780 isn't

01:43:00.040 going

01:43:00.140 to

01:43:00.200 get

01:43:00.340 you

01:43:00.460 in

01:43:00.600 trouble

01:43:00.880 it's

01:43:01.380 like

01:43:01.560 well

01:43:01.720 it's

01:43:01.840 not

01:43:01.960 going

01:43:02.080 to

01:43:02.120 get

01:43:02.240 in

01:43:02.380 trouble

01:43:02.560 right

01:43:03.000 now

01:43:03.700 but

01:43:05.660 what

01:43:05.860 about

01:43:06.120 tomorrow

01:43:06.840 and

01:43:07.240 the

01:43:08.520 next

01:43:08.820 month

01:43:09.160 and

01:43:09.300 the

01:43:09.420 next

01:43:09.620 year

01:43:10.000 it's

01:43:10.400 like

01:43:10.620 which

01:43:11.580 of

01:43:11.740 those

01:43:11.920 two

01:43:12.120 things

01:43:12.380 are

01:43:12.500 you

01:43:12.580 going

01:43:12.700 to

01:43:12.820 trust

01:43:13.140 in

01:43:13.300 the

01:43:13.420 long

01:43:13.680 run

01:43:13.960 well

01:43:16.240 so

01:43:16.460 I

01:43:16.680 think

01:43:16.940 that

01:43:17.160 like

01:43:18.140 for

01:43:18.360 whatever

01:43:18.820 victory

01:43:19.340 would

01:43:19.660 be

01:43:20.320 in

01:43:20.940 this

01:43:21.320 the

01:43:22.820 victory

01:43:23.260 that

01:43:23.540 I

01:43:23.740 would

01:43:23.900 like

01:43:24.120 to

01:43:24.300 attain

01:43:24.680 in

01:43:24.920 this

01:43:25.180 in

01:43:25.360 my

01:43:25.520 life

01:43:25.880 would

01:43:26.060 be

01:43:26.220 that

01:43:26.460 I

01:43:26.800 would

01:43:27.000 be

01:43:27.180 able

01:43:30.880 maintain

01:43:31.320 that

01:43:31.720 there's

01:43:32.420 a

01:43:32.520 great

01:43:32.740 adventure

01:43:33.300 in

01:43:33.580 that

01:43:33.920 because

01:43:34.540 you

01:43:34.660 don't

01:43:34.860 know

01:43:34.980 what's

01:43:35.200 going

01:43:35.340 to

01:43:35.500 happen

01:43:35.860 you

01:43:37.020 know

01:43:37.140 you

01:43:37.280 can't

01:43:37.560 predict

01:43:37.880 it

01:43:38.040 exactly

01:43:38.580 and

01:43:39.580 it's

01:43:39.940 possible

01:43:40.900 that

01:43:41.140 it'll

01:43:41.320 be

01:43:41.440 worse

01:43:41.740 than

01:43:41.920 you

01:43:42.060 think

01:43:42.340 it

01:43:42.500 will

01:43:42.680 be

01:43:42.820 but

01:43:43.000 it's

01:43:43.160 also

01:43:43.340 possible

01:43:43.760 that

01:43:44.060 it'll

01:43:44.200 be

01:43:44.340 much

01:43:44.560 better

01:43:44.900 and

01:43:45.080 it

01:43:45.400 isn't

01:43:45.580 necessarily

01:43:46.020 obvious

01:43:46.900 which

01:43:47.180 of

01:43:47.320 those

01:43:47.500 is

01:43:47.640 more

01:43:47.820 terrifying

01:43:48.420 by

01:43:48.660 the

01:43:48.780 way

01:43:48.960 because

01:43:49.520 it

01:43:49.640 might

01:43:49.860 be

01:43:50.000 way

01:43:50.220 different

01:43:50.600 at

01:43:50.820 least

01:43:51.020 than

01:43:51.220 what

01:43:51.400 you

01:43:51.580 are

01:44:00.880 watching

01:44:01.500 how

01:44:01.840 the

01:44:02.060 world

01:44:02.480 constructs

01:44:03.860 itself

01:44:04.320 in

01:44:05.440 relationship

01:44:06.080 to

01:44:06.440 the

01:44:06.600 truth

01:44:06.900 or at

01:44:07.180 least

01:44:07.320 the

01:44:07.500 truth

01:44:07.720 in

01:44:07.900 so

01:44:08.020 far

01:44:08.220 as

01:44:08.360 you

01:44:08.480 can

01:44:08.640 utter

01:44:08.860 it

01:44:09.100 you

01:44:09.600 think

01:44:09.760 there's

01:44:10.000 no

01:44:10.200 there's

01:44:11.020 another

01:44:11.280 way

01:44:11.640 of

01:44:11.820 finding

01:44:12.160 meaning

01:44:12.540 in

01:44:12.760 life

01:44:13.060 is

01:44:13.240 there's

01:44:13.440 no

01:44:13.640 you

01:44:15.400 know

01:44:15.480 people

01:44:15.780 think

01:44:16.120 they

01:44:16.280 want

01:44:16.440 to

01:44:16.500 have

01:44:16.620 a

01:44:16.740 meaningful

01:44:17.020 life

01:44:17.400 but

01:44:17.600 meaning

01:44:17.940 is

01:44:18.140 a

01:44:18.280 terrifying

01:44:18.660 thing

01:44:19.060 it's

01:44:19.260 sort

01:44:19.440 of

01:44:19.520 like

01:44:19.680 beauty

01:44:20.120 it

01:44:20.800 can

01:44:21.140 be

01:44:21.340 absolutely

01:44:21.820 overwhelming

01:44:22.500 if

01:44:23.680 you

01:44:23.860 allow

01:44:24.220 yourself

01:44:24.640 to

01:44:24.840 say

01:44:25.000 what

01:44:30.880 that'll

01:44:31.400 be

01:44:31.540 a

01:44:31.680 great

01:44:31.880 adventure

01:44:32.420 and

01:44:33.020 in

01:44:33.180 that

01:44:33.380 adventure

01:44:33.820 that's

01:44:34.660 where

01:44:34.820 you'll

01:44:35.080 discover

01:44:35.440 the

01:44:35.660 meaning

01:44:35.880 of

01:44:36.080 your

01:44:36.240 life

01:44:36.660 victory

01:44:38.860 for me

01:44:39.340 would

01:44:39.560 be

01:44:40.000 to

01:44:40.640 be

01:44:40.780 able

01:44:40.940 to

01:44:41.140 do

01:44:41.340 that

01:44:41.720 you

01:44:42.440 know

01:44:42.520 because

01:44:42.680 I

01:44:42.780 don't

01:44:42.960 think

01:44:43.200 about

01:44:43.440 this

01:44:44.460 as

01:44:44.680 a

01:44:44.880 I

01:44:47.060 suppose

01:44:47.380 sometimes

01:44:47.940 when I

01:44:48.320 descend

01:44:48.860 so to

01:44:49.420 speak

01:44:49.700 into

01:44:49.940 the

01:44:50.140 realm

01:44:50.360 of

01:44:50.540 the

01:44:50.660 political

01:44:51.040 then

01:44:51.380 things

01:44:51.780 get

01:44:52.060 polarized

01:44:53.020 you

01:44:53.460 know

01:44:53.620 I

01:44:54.300 mean

01:44:54.420 I'm

01:44:54.540 not

01:44:54.720 happy

01:44:55.040 with

01:44:55.240 the

01:44:55.360 postmodern

01:44:55.880 types

01:44:56.220 and

01:44:56.360 I

01:44:56.500 don't

01:44:56.680 like

01:44:56.860 the

01:44:57.020 radical

01:44:57.340 leftists

01:44:58.040 they

01:44:58.700 really

01:44:58.980 disturb

01:44:59.440 me

01:44:59.660 with

01:44:59.860 their

01:45:00.000 collectivist

01:45:00.620 viewpoint

01:45:01.080 but

01:45:01.720 that's

01:45:02.240 partly

01:45:02.480 because

01:45:02.780 that

01:45:03.020 violates

01:45:03.720 that

01:45:03.940 principle

01:45:04.420 of

01:45:04.720 individual

01:45:05.380 autonomy

01:45:05.940 and

01:45:06.240 sovereignty

01:45:06.660 that's

01:45:07.060 associated

01:45:07.640 with

01:45:08.040 individual

01:45:08.780 truth

01:45:09.340 I

01:45:09.760 don't

01:45:09.900 think

01:45:10.100 about

01:45:10.320 it

01:45:10.420 as

01:45:10.580 political

01:45:10.980 I

01:45:11.220 don't

01:45:11.980 think

01:45:12.140 of it

01:45:14.380 as

01:45:14.540 political

01:45:14.960 I

01:45:15.560 think

01:45:15.740 of it

01:45:15.940 as

01:45:16.140 an

01:45:16.280 assault

01:45:16.900 on

01:45:17.280 this

01:45:17.980 more

01:45:18.220 fundamental

01:45:18.740 way

01:45:19.020 of

01:45:19.180 being

01:45:19.540 you're

01:45:20.100 an

01:45:20.200 individual

01:45:20.600 you

01:45:20.860 have

01:45:21.040 your

01:45:21.200 individual

01:45:21.580 truth

01:45:21.980 you

01:45:22.120 need

01:45:22.280 to

01:45:22.400 manifest

01:45:22.740 that

01:45:23.080 in

01:45:23.240 the

01:45:23.340 world

01:45:23.540 you

01:45:23.700 need

01:45:23.840 to

01:45:23.940 take

01:45:24.100 responsibility

01:45:24.660 for

01:45:25.060 that

01:45:25.320 and

01:45:25.720 anything

01:45:26.000 that

01:45:26.300 threatens

01:45:26.660 that

01:45:26.960 I

01:45:27.140 think

01:45:27.300 is

01:45:27.460 the

01:45:27.660 deepest

01:45:28.120 of

01:45:28.480 threats

01:45:29.000 and

01:45:30.020 so

01:45:30.340 but

01:45:31.380 victory

01:45:31.820 as far

01:45:32.200 as I'm

01:45:32.500 concerned

01:45:32.820 would be

01:45:33.260 that

01:45:33.600 I'm

01:45:37.180 able

01:45:37.580 to

01:45:38.120 I'm

01:45:42.200 able

01:45:42.480 to

01:45:42.700 say

01:45:42.920 what

01:45:43.120 I'm

01:45:43.600 able

01:45:43.860 to

01:45:44.080 continue

01:45:44.480 to

01:45:44.740 say

01:45:44.920 what

01:45:45.120 I

01:45:45.280 think

01:45:45.560 and

01:45:45.740 not

01:45:45.960 be

01:45:46.160 dissuaded

01:45:46.700 from

01:45:46.980 that

01:45:47.280 that

01:45:48.100 would

01:45:48.240 be

01:45:48.420 enough

01:45:48.800 and

01:45:49.860 so

01:45:50.180 so far

01:45:51.620 that

01:45:51.860 seems

01:45:52.200 to

01:45:52.400 be

01:45:52.640 you

01:45:53.100 know

01:45:53.280 knock

01:45:53.680 on

01:45:53.920 wood

01:45:54.220 despite

01:45:55.780 all

01:45:56.140 my

01:45:56.380 flaws

01:45:57.000 that

01:45:57.900 seems

01:45:58.220 to

01:45:58.400 be

01:45:58.680 working

01:45:59.400 out

01:45:59.680 okay

01:46:00.140 so

01:46:01.180 hopefully

01:46:01.640 that

01:46:01.900 will

01:46:02.080 continue

01:46:02.500 and

01:46:02.760 nothing

01:46:03.060 too

01:46:03.380 catastrophic

01:46:04.120 will

01:46:04.460 happen

01:46:04.860 well

01:46:11.380 as long

01:46:11.700 as you

01:46:11.920 mention

01:46:12.260 Trump

01:46:12.640 and

01:46:12.800 Clinton

01:46:13.040 this

01:46:13.240 seems

01:46:13.420 like

01:46:13.580 a

01:46:13.700 good

01:46:13.880 segue

01:46:14.240 will

01:46:16.320 you

01:46:16.460 move

01:46:16.840 to

01:46:17.000 America

01:46:17.340 and

01:46:17.560 run

01:46:17.700 for

01:46:17.860 president

01:46:18.260 let's

01:46:23.820 put

01:46:23.960 aside

01:46:24.240 the

01:46:24.420 legal

01:46:24.660 issue

01:46:25.000 for

01:46:25.220 just

01:46:25.460 a

01:46:25.600 second

01:46:25.840 yeah

01:46:29.140 and the

01:46:29.440 possibility

01:46:29.920 of my

01:46:30.260 Muslim

01:46:30.640 birth

01:46:31.120 you

01:46:39.180 know

01:46:39.300 I've

01:46:39.540 thought

01:46:40.080 about

01:46:40.400 I've

01:46:41.580 been

01:46:42.020 tempted

01:46:42.520 let's

01:46:43.200 say

01:46:43.400 by

01:46:43.920 the

01:46:44.460 thought

01:46:44.740 of a

01:46:45.080 political

01:46:45.360 career

01:46:45.880 continually

01:46:47.800 throughout

01:46:48.220 my life

01:46:48.820 you know

01:46:49.280 but

01:46:50.440 I've

01:46:51.580 never

01:46:51.960 pursued

01:46:52.460 it

01:46:52.760 and

01:46:53.340 it

01:46:53.960 seems

01:46:54.300 to me

01:46:54.620 rather

01:46:54.960 unlikely

01:46:55.500 that I

01:46:55.980 will

01:46:56.320 I've

01:46:57.000 talked

01:46:57.220 to

01:46:57.320 my

01:46:57.460 wife

01:46:57.740 about

01:46:58.020 it

01:46:58.200 recently

01:46:58.640 again

01:46:59.100 not

01:46:59.700 not

01:46:59.980 in

01:47:00.280 the

01:47:00.400 American

01:47:00.740 context

01:47:01.280 obviously

01:47:01.800 because

01:47:02.240 that's

01:47:03.280 well

01:47:05.560 that's

01:47:06.000 obviously

01:47:06.480 there's

01:47:09.260 you don't

01:47:09.680 think about

01:47:10.200 things that

01:47:10.660 aren't

01:47:10.900 possible

01:47:11.400 it's

01:47:12.020 not

01:47:12.440 useful

01:47:13.020 and

01:47:13.400 I

01:47:15.140 also

01:47:15.420 am

01:47:15.580 not

01:47:15.740 sure

01:47:15.940 that

01:47:16.120 that's

01:47:16.360 a

01:47:16.480 job

01:47:16.700 that

01:47:16.880 anyone

01:47:17.140 can

01:47:17.420 do

01:47:17.760 you

01:47:18.680 know

01:47:18.820 I

01:47:19.020 mean

01:47:19.240 it

01:47:21.100 looks

01:47:21.380 like

01:47:21.580 an

01:47:21.680 impossible

01:47:22.060 job

01:47:22.500 to

01:47:22.680 me

01:47:22.880 I

01:47:23.440 have

01:47:23.560 a

01:47:23.640 lot

01:47:23.760 of

01:47:23.900 sympathy

01:47:24.160 for

01:47:24.420 the

01:47:24.560 people

01:47:24.780 who

01:47:25.060 hold

01:47:25.580 the

01:47:25.740 office

01:47:26.060 because

01:47:26.480 the

01:47:28.060 responsibility

01:47:28.920 of that

01:47:29.500 office

01:47:29.860 is

01:47:30.080 just

01:47:30.380 and

01:47:30.920 the

01:47:31.060 complexity

01:47:31.600 is

01:47:31.940 just

01:47:32.160 beyond

01:47:32.520 imagination

01:47:33.220 you know

01:47:33.700 it's

01:47:34.020 why

01:47:34.160 they

01:47:34.340 get

01:47:34.520 people

01:47:34.960 who

01:47:35.140 take

01:47:35.380 that

01:47:35.560 job

01:47:35.760 get

01:47:35.940 old

01:47:36.240 so

01:47:36.480 fast

01:47:36.960 it's

01:47:37.520 no

01:47:37.700 wonder

01:47:38.040 some

01:47:39.140 of

01:47:39.240 them

01:47:39.320 start

01:47:39.580 out

01:47:39.760 old

01:47:40.020 too

01:47:40.260 when

01:47:44.880 push

01:47:45.440 comes

01:47:45.720 to

01:47:45.900 shove

01:47:46.140 I've

01:47:46.360 always

01:47:46.580 been

01:47:46.760 more

01:47:46.960 interested

01:47:47.300 in

01:47:47.580 this

01:47:47.780 psychological

01:47:48.500 I'm

01:47:49.120 more

01:47:49.280 interested

01:47:49.980 in

01:47:50.360 the

01:47:50.480 individual

01:47:50.960 I

01:47:52.840 am

01:47:53.160 more

01:47:53.400 psychologically

01:47:54.440 oriented

01:47:54.920 I

01:47:55.140 think

01:47:55.380 my most

01:47:56.920 effective

01:47:57.340 strategy

01:47:58.040 personally

01:47:59.960 and

01:48:00.320 socially

01:48:01.160 is to

01:48:01.760 operate at

01:48:04.900 the level

01:48:05.280 of the

01:48:05.700 fortification

01:48:06.320 of the

01:48:06.700 individual

01:48:07.140 and it's

01:48:07.740 not

01:48:07.980 political

01:48:08.380 there's

01:48:08.620 political

01:48:08.980 implications

01:48:09.600 of that

01:48:10.060 the political

01:48:10.800 implications

01:48:11.380 are

01:48:11.740 they have

01:48:12.480 been for

01:48:12.820 me

01:48:13.080 is that

01:48:13.480 whenever

01:48:14.080 I see

01:48:14.760 political

01:48:15.960 occurrences

01:48:16.880 that limit

01:48:17.860 the degree

01:48:18.540 to which

01:48:19.060 the individual

01:48:19.800 can be

01:48:20.380 made more

01:48:21.000 effective

01:48:21.620 then I

01:48:22.540 feel

01:48:22.940 morally

01:48:23.460 compelled

01:48:24.000 to

01:48:24.260 object

01:48:24.780 to

01:48:25.020 them

01:48:25.200 that's

01:48:25.700 why

01:48:25.880 I

01:48:26.500 objected

01:48:27.020 to

01:48:27.120 the

01:48:27.260 legislation

01:48:27.800 in

01:48:28.080 Canada

01:48:28.460 it's

01:48:29.040 like

01:48:29.240 no

01:48:30.180 you

01:48:31.380 don't

01:48:31.900 get to

01:48:32.280 tell

01:48:32.520 me

01:48:32.780 what

01:48:33.680 I'm

01:48:34.000 going

01:48:34.200 to

01:48:34.420 say

01:48:34.720 I

01:48:35.120 don't

01:48:35.280 care

01:48:35.520 what

01:48:35.700 your

01:48:35.860 damn

01:48:36.100 reasons

01:48:36.440 are

01:48:36.740 that's

01:48:37.380 on

01:48:37.760 me

01:48:38.240 what

01:48:38.560 I

01:48:38.720 say

01:48:39.080 you

01:48:40.360 don't

01:48:40.560 get

01:48:40.760 to

01:48:40.960 decide

01:48:41.380 that

01:48:41.640 for

01:48:41.880 me

01:48:42.040 I

01:48:42.180 think

01:48:42.380 that

01:48:42.560 you're

01:48:42.800 invading

01:48:43.400 the

01:48:43.680 territory

01:48:44.100 of

01:48:44.460 my

01:48:44.680 soul

01:48:45.140 at

01:48:45.420 that

01:48:45.620 point

01:48:45.940 and

01:48:46.100 I

01:48:46.400 don't

01:48:46.580 care

01:48:46.980 if

01:48:47.900 your

01:48:48.100 reasons

01:48:48.500 are

01:48:48.860 hypothetical

01:48:50.060 compassion

01:48:51.000 first of

01:48:51.960 all

01:48:52.100 why

01:48:52.260 should

01:48:52.440 I

01:48:52.560 trust

01:48:52.900 your

01:48:53.100 bloody

01:48:53.500 compassion

01:48:54.120 what

01:48:54.560 makes

01:48:54.800 you

01:48:54.920 think

01:48:55.140 you're

01:48:55.340 a

01:48:55.640 saint

01:48:56.000 so

01:48:57.440 you

01:49:01.560 know

01:49:01.760 that's

01:49:02.480 the

01:49:02.640 suggestion

01:49:03.700 you're

01:49:04.600 so

01:49:04.880 compassionate

01:49:05.580 that

01:49:05.940 you

01:49:06.240 get

01:49:06.620 to

01:49:07.040 move

01:49:08.120 my

01:49:08.580 mouth

01:49:09.560 with

01:49:09.820 your

01:49:10.040 hand

01:49:10.560 it's

01:49:11.180 like

01:49:11.360 no

01:49:11.800 that's

01:49:13.360 on

01:49:14.380 me

01:49:14.700 and

01:49:15.540 so

01:49:15.740 that's

01:49:16.100 political

01:49:16.480 action

01:49:16.900 I guess

01:49:17.320 in some

01:49:17.720 sense

01:49:18.000 but

01:49:18.200 it

01:49:18.340 was

01:49:18.580 I

01:49:19.000 don't

01:49:19.300 really

01:49:19.520 think

01:49:19.780 it

01:49:19.900 is

01:49:20.100 fundamentally

01:49:20.620 political

01:49:21.120 because

01:49:21.480 I

01:49:21.660 think

01:49:21.920 that

01:49:22.160 I

01:49:23.440 undertook

01:49:24.040 it

01:49:24.200 because

01:49:24.480 I

01:49:24.780 believe

01:49:25.160 that

01:49:25.380 the

01:49:25.560 political

01:49:26.340 jumped

01:49:27.340 its

01:49:27.800 domain

01:49:29.600 and

01:49:30.320 started

01:49:30.680 to

01:49:30.940 transgress

01:49:31.600 against

01:49:32.000 things

01:49:32.380 that

01:49:32.600 it

01:49:32.820 should

01:49:33.000 have

01:49:33.140 left

01:49:33.400 alone

01:49:33.820 and

01:49:35.400 this

01:49:35.740 whatever

01:49:36.140 we're

01:49:36.680 doing

01:49:36.960 here

01:49:37.220 together

01:49:37.720 whatever

01:49:39.720 has

01:49:40.040 manifested

01:49:40.600 itself

01:49:41.120 let's

01:49:41.440 say

01:49:41.600 in

01:49:42.020 these

01:49:42.500 books

01:49:42.780 that

01:49:42.980 I've

01:49:43.160 written

01:49:43.400 and

01:49:43.600 the

01:49:44.320 impact

01:49:44.700 that

01:49:44.880 they've

01:49:45.100 had

01:49:45.420 and

01:49:46.280 the YouTube

01:49:46.660 videos

01:49:47.140 and

01:49:47.300 all

01:49:47.460 of

01:49:47.600 that

01:49:47.860 that

01:49:48.540 seems

01:49:48.880 more

01:49:49.300 it

01:49:50.700 seems

01:49:51.020 more

01:49:51.300 effective

01:49:51.720 than

01:49:52.000 anything

01:49:52.260 else

01:49:52.600 I

01:49:52.760 can

01:49:52.900 do

01:49:53.200 you know

01:49:54.700 I'm

01:49:54.820 talking

01:49:55.140 to lots

01:49:55.560 of

01:49:55.720 political

01:49:56.020 types

01:49:56.480 and

01:49:57.560 and

01:49:57.580 that

01:49:57.740 seems

01:49:58.020 okay

01:49:58.420 but

01:49:59.860 I

01:50:00.460 think

01:50:00.760 that

01:50:01.020 I

01:50:04.340 think

01:50:04.520 it

01:50:04.640 would

01:50:04.760 be

01:50:04.900 a

01:50:05.060 step

01:50:05.420 what

01:50:07.900 would

01:50:08.000 you

01:50:08.100 call

01:50:08.240 it

01:50:08.300 would

01:50:08.420 be

01:50:08.540 a

01:50:08.700 regressive

01:50:09.280 step

01:50:10.400 on my

01:50:10.840 part

01:50:11.120 to do

01:50:11.460 that

01:50:11.760 given

01:50:12.500 the

01:50:12.720 opportunities

01:50:13.160 that

01:50:13.560 I

01:50:13.700 have

01:50:14.040 to

01:50:14.780 enter

01:50:15.060 the

01:50:15.260 political

01:50:15.580 realm

01:50:16.060 it's

01:50:16.900 not

01:50:17.100 right

01:50:17.460 and

01:50:17.980 I

01:50:18.300 don't

01:50:18.860 think

01:50:19.060 I'm

01:50:19.220 cut

01:50:19.380 out

01:50:19.540 for

01:50:19.760 it

01:50:19.880 either

01:50:20.120 you

01:50:20.320 know

01:50:20.420 like

01:50:20.640 I

01:50:21.060 don't

01:50:21.260 like

01:50:21.560 conflict

01:50:22.520 I

01:50:24.400 know

01:50:24.620 I

01:50:24.840 know

01:50:25.040 well

01:50:25.380 it's

01:50:27.380 true

01:50:27.760 though

01:50:28.040 like

01:50:28.360 you

01:50:28.860 know

01:50:28.980 it

01:50:29.120 takes

01:50:29.360 me

01:50:29.520 three

01:50:29.820 days

01:50:30.160 to

01:50:30.360 recover

01:50:30.740 from

01:50:31.020 one

01:50:31.160 of

01:50:31.260 those

01:50:31.420 contentious

01:50:32.000 interviews

01:50:32.460 you

01:50:33.400 know

01:50:33.540 I

01:50:33.880 don't

01:50:34.180 I

01:50:34.440 don't

01:50:34.940 enjoy

01:50:35.400 it

01:50:35.620 at

01:50:35.820 all

01:50:36.100 I

01:50:36.440 said

01:50:36.860 at

01:50:37.400 the

01:50:37.520 beginning

01:50:37.760 of

01:50:37.960 this

01:50:38.140 Q&A

01:50:38.580 that

01:50:38.820 like

01:50:39.520 there

01:50:39.720 aren't

01:50:40.100 conversations

01:50:40.840 I

01:50:41.120 won't

01:50:41.440 have

01:50:41.920 but

01:50:42.520 it

01:50:42.680 doesn't

01:50:42.900 mean

01:50:43.040 that

01:50:43.180 I

01:50:43.260 don't

01:50:43.420 find

01:50:43.740 them

01:50:43.940 stressful

01:50:44.600 they're

01:50:45.640 stressful

01:50:46.220 and

01:50:46.680 like

01:50:47.300 I'd

01:50:47.460 much

01:50:47.640 rather

01:50:47.880 have

01:50:48.140 I'd

01:50:48.600 much

01:50:48.900 rather

01:50:49.120 do

01:50:49.340 this

01:50:49.680 it's

01:50:49.900 much

01:50:50.180 way

01:50:51.860 more

01:50:53.020 pleasant

01:50:53.740 to come

01:50:54.240 and talk

01:50:54.740 to

01:50:54.960 3,000

01:50:55.800 of you

01:50:56.260 than

01:50:56.520 to

01:50:56.760 talk

01:50:57.460 to

01:50:57.700 one

01:50:58.280 GQ

01:51:00.800 journalist

01:51:01.520 for

01:51:01.840 90

01:51:02.280 minutes

01:51:02.820 and

01:51:08.100 so

01:51:08.240 I

01:51:08.420 don't

01:51:08.600 think

01:51:08.820 I

01:51:08.960 don't

01:51:09.220 think

01:51:09.420 I

01:51:09.540 could

01:51:09.720 tolerate

01:51:10.280 that

01:51:10.780 that

01:51:11.140 political

01:51:12.260 stress

01:51:12.940 you

01:51:13.180 know

01:51:13.420 that

01:51:13.900 that

01:51:14.340 I

01:51:15.380 don't

01:51:15.840 think

01:51:16.020 I'm

01:51:16.180 cut

01:51:16.360 out

01:51:16.540 for

01:51:16.820 it

01:51:17.020 so

01:51:17.940 so

01:51:19.740 what

01:51:20.020 you're

01:51:20.260 saying

01:51:20.760 is

01:51:21.440 yeah

01:51:23.500 no

01:51:24.100 kidding

01:51:24.380 he's

01:51:24.600 gonna

01:51:24.740 run

01:51:25.020 for

01:51:25.200 president

01:51:25.600 everybody

01:51:26.180 we

01:51:28.200 all

01:51:28.480 heard

01:51:28.700 it

01:51:28.940 so

01:51:31.060 I

01:51:31.180 don't

01:51:31.280 know

01:51:31.360 how

01:51:31.480 this

01:51:31.680 one

01:51:31.900 didn't

01:51:32.460 come

01:51:32.640 up

01:51:32.800 in

01:51:32.920 the

01:51:33.220 hundred

01:51:33.460 plus

01:51:33.800 shows

01:51:34.220 what's

01:51:36.320 your

01:51:36.440 biggest

01:51:36.900 regret

01:51:37.580 in

01:51:38.120 life

01:51:38.520 I

01:51:40.720 think

01:51:41.180 that

01:51:41.380 I've

01:51:41.600 dealt

01:51:41.840 with

01:51:42.080 most

01:51:42.360 of

01:51:42.500 my

01:51:42.660 regrets

01:51:43.120 I

01:51:46.400 don't

01:51:46.820 think

01:51:47.040 that

01:51:47.200 I'm

01:51:47.400 carrying

01:51:47.800 a lot

01:51:48.200 of

01:51:48.640 unresolved

01:51:50.220 past

01:51:50.700 along

01:51:51.060 with

01:51:51.300 me

01:51:51.560 you

01:51:52.720 know

01:51:52.800 I

01:51:52.900 never

01:51:53.080 really

01:51:53.320 think

01:51:53.560 of

01:51:53.660 the

01:51:53.780 past

01:51:54.220 I

01:51:58.940 have

01:51:59.220 thought

01:51:59.520 about

01:51:59.740 it

01:51:59.880 a lot

01:52:00.220 I've

01:52:00.520 tried

01:52:00.740 to

01:52:01.040 you

01:52:02.180 know

01:52:02.360 there's

01:52:03.520 this

01:52:03.900 there's

01:52:06.720 this

01:52:06.920 section

01:52:07.280 in the

01:52:07.600 Gulag

01:52:07.900 Archipelago

01:52:08.580 where

01:52:11.160 Solzhenitsyn

01:52:11.780 describes

01:52:12.440 the

01:52:14.300 reconstruction

01:52:14.940 of

01:52:15.520 his

01:52:15.740 spirit

01:52:16.340 in

01:52:16.800 the

01:52:17.180 work

01:52:18.360 camps

01:52:18.820 and

01:52:21.320 he

01:52:24.380 undergoes

01:52:24.820 this

01:52:25.000 process

01:52:25.400 of

01:52:25.620 repentance

01:52:26.140 he

01:52:27.100 starts

01:52:27.820 to

01:52:28.020 understand

01:52:28.480 that

01:52:28.740 he's

01:52:29.100 had

01:52:29.860 this

01:52:30.100 terrible

01:52:30.600 sequence

01:52:31.580 of

01:52:32.920 catastrophes

01:52:33.660 has

01:52:33.860 befallen

01:52:34.760 him

01:52:35.100 that

01:52:36.480 could

01:52:36.660 easily

01:52:36.980 be

01:52:37.200 laid

01:52:37.460 at

01:52:37.620 the

01:52:37.760 feet

01:52:37.940 of

01:52:38.080 Hitler

01:52:38.380 and

01:52:38.660 Stalin

01:52:39.100 you

01:52:39.800 know

01:52:39.880 and

01:52:40.000 if

01:52:40.100 you

01:52:40.200 need

01:52:40.400 villains

01:52:40.840 those

01:52:41.280 are

01:52:41.460 high

01:52:42.440 quality

01:52:43.040 credible

01:52:43.640 villains

01:52:44.140 if

01:52:44.500 you

01:52:44.580 need

01:52:44.820 someone

01:52:45.200 to

01:52:45.460 blame

01:52:45.860 man

01:52:46.260 those

01:52:47.260 are

01:52:47.440 right

01:52:47.740 at

01:52:47.860 the

01:52:47.980 top

01:52:48.240 of

01:52:48.400 the

01:52:48.560 list

01:52:48.840 of

01:52:49.040 credible

01:52:49.600 people

01:52:50.080 to

01:52:50.320 blame

01:52:50.720 and

01:52:51.460 you

01:52:51.860 know

01:52:51.960 he

01:52:52.140 was

01:52:52.320 on

01:52:52.560 the

01:52:52.740 Russian

01:52:54.980 front

01:52:55.380 in

01:52:55.620 World

01:52:56.060 War

01:52:56.260 II

01:52:56.440 and

01:52:56.620 then

01:52:56.840 thrown

01:52:57.820 into

01:52:58.140 the

01:52:58.560 work

01:52:59.740 camps

01:53:00.060 by

01:53:00.320 Stalin

01:53:00.720 had

01:53:01.440 a

01:53:01.560 very

01:53:01.760 terrible

01:53:02.260 time

01:53:02.580 of

01:53:02.720 it

01:53:02.880 but

01:53:04.040 he

01:53:04.160 came

01:53:04.380 to

01:53:04.560 understand

01:53:05.120 that

01:53:05.660 part

01:53:06.660 of

01:53:06.800 the

01:53:06.940 reason

01:53:07.220 that

01:53:07.440 things

01:53:07.740 had

01:53:07.920 turned

01:53:08.160 out

01:53:08.340 so

01:53:08.540 badly

01:53:08.880 for

01:53:09.180 him

01:53:09.400 was

01:53:09.660 that

01:53:09.840 he

01:53:09.980 had

01:53:10.140 compromised

01:53:10.760 his

01:53:11.160 own

01:53:11.420 integrity

01:53:11.940 in

01:53:12.240 all

01:53:12.540 sorts

01:53:12.800 of

01:53:12.940 ways

01:53:13.300 over

01:53:13.760 the

01:53:13.920 course

01:53:14.180 of

01:53:14.300 his

01:53:14.440 life

01:53:14.720 and

01:53:15.180 one

01:53:15.360 of

01:53:15.460 the

01:53:15.560 things

01:53:15.760 he

01:53:15.900 did

01:53:16.100 was

01:53:16.300 to

01:53:16.460 go

01:53:16.680 over

01:53:17.060 his

01:53:17.380 life

01:53:17.800 he

01:53:18.320 said

01:53:18.620 with

01:53:18.780 a

01:53:18.940 fine

01:53:19.220 tooth

01:53:19.560 comb

01:53:19.960 and

01:53:20.600 to

01:53:20.760 figure

01:53:21.060 out

01:53:21.360 and

01:53:21.540 to

01:53:21.660 try

01:53:21.840 to

01:53:21.980 remember

01:53:22.460 everything

01:53:24.040 that

01:53:24.380 he

01:53:24.520 had

01:53:32.260 think

01:53:32.600 well

01:53:32.760 you

01:53:32.920 shouldn't

01:53:33.200 do

01:53:33.400 the

01:53:33.640 things

01:53:34.020 you

01:53:34.280 shouldn't

01:53:34.520 do

01:53:34.640 things

01:53:34.960 that

01:53:35.120 are

01:53:35.260 wrong

01:53:35.680 it's

01:53:36.020 like

01:53:36.180 okay

01:53:36.520 wrong

01:53:37.380 by

01:53:37.600 whose

01:53:37.900 standards

01:53:38.580 well

01:53:39.160 you

01:53:39.260 could

01:53:39.420 say

01:53:39.620 well

01:53:39.780 you

01:53:39.900 shouldn't

01:53:40.100 do

01:53:40.240 things

01:53:40.520 that

01:53:40.660 other

01:53:40.840 people

01:53:41.140 think

01:53:41.440 are

01:53:41.600 wrong

01:53:41.960 well

01:53:42.780 you

01:53:43.320 could

01:53:43.480 debate

01:53:43.780 that

01:53:44.100 but

01:53:44.340 it's

01:53:45.160 deeper

01:53:45.560 it's

01:53:45.980 a

01:53:46.100 deeper

01:53:46.320 question

01:53:46.820 is

01:53:47.040 like

01:53:47.220 well

01:53:47.360 maybe

01:53:47.560 you

01:53:47.700 shouldn't

01:53:47.880 do

01:53:48.000 the

01:53:48.140 things

01:53:48.360 that

01:53:48.500 you

01:53:48.660 think

01:53:48.980 are

01:53:49.160 wrong

01:53:49.560 and

01:53:51.340 let's

01:53:51.580 say

01:53:51.720 that

01:53:51.900 you've

01:53:52.100 done

01:53:52.260 a

01:53:52.360 whole

01:53:52.480 bunch

01:54:02.260 them

01:54:02.460 than

01:54:02.680 that

01:54:02.960 than

01:54:03.740 those

01:54:04.120 errors

01:54:06.080 that

01:54:06.460 you've

01:54:06.820 woven

01:54:07.180 into

01:54:07.600 the

01:54:07.840 fabric

01:54:08.180 of

01:54:08.400 things

01:54:08.680 they

01:54:08.900 stay

01:54:09.500 unrepaired

01:54:12.180 and

01:54:13.940 so

01:54:14.060 you

01:54:14.180 have

01:54:14.360 to

01:54:14.520 repent

01:54:14.980 and

01:54:16.220 atone

01:54:16.980 right

01:54:17.500 to use

01:54:17.900 the

01:54:18.060 classical

01:54:18.440 language

01:54:18.760 atone

01:54:19.120 means

01:54:19.380 to

01:54:19.580 become

01:54:20.740 one

01:54:21.300 again

01:54:21.720 you

01:54:22.200 know

01:54:22.400 and

01:54:23.680 so

01:54:23.880 Solzhenitsyn

01:54:24.600 said

01:54:24.900 that

01:54:25.060 he

01:54:25.160 did

01:54:25.380 that

01:54:25.700 he

01:54:26.080 thought

01:54:27.120 well

01:54:27.560 I

01:54:27.880 can't

01:54:28.200 go

01:54:28.340 back

01:54:28.700 exactly

01:54:29.300 and

01:54:29.520 rectify

01:54:29.940 the

01:54:30.120 past

01:54:30.420 but

01:54:30.600 maybe

01:54:30.860 I

01:54:31.040 can

01:54:31.160 make

01:54:31.400 amends

01:54:31.900 in the

01:54:32.220 present

01:54:32.580 for

01:54:33.540 all

01:54:33.760 the

01:54:33.940 things

01:54:34.220 that

01:54:34.380 I

01:54:34.520 left

01:54:34.820 undone

01:54:35.300 and

01:54:35.880 I

01:54:36.100 would

01:54:36.280 say

01:54:36.520 that

01:54:36.800 that

01:54:37.600 I

01:54:38.640 don't

01:54:38.940 I

01:54:39.200 wouldn't

01:54:39.500 say

01:54:39.720 that

01:54:39.940 I

01:54:40.120 have

01:54:40.300 done

01:54:40.560 that

01:54:40.840 successfully

01:54:41.500 but

01:54:41.800 I

01:54:42.020 could

01:54:42.300 say

01:54:42.700 that

01:54:43.220 I

01:54:43.480 have

01:54:43.740 tried

01:54:44.440 to

01:54:44.720 do

01:54:44.880 that

01:54:45.220 that

01:54:45.620 I'm

01:54:45.840 trying

01:54:46.300 to

01:54:46.520 do

01:54:46.680 that

01:54:47.040 and

01:54:47.840 so

01:54:48.120 I'm

01:54:51.280 atoning

01:54:51.720 for

01:54:52.060 what

01:54:52.280 I

01:54:52.620 regret

01:54:54.140 about

01:54:54.440 the

01:54:54.640 past

01:54:54.940 by

01:54:55.140 trying

01:54:55.460 to

01:54:55.680 behave

01:54:56.120 as

01:54:56.600 carefully

01:54:57.460 as

01:54:57.760 I

01:54:57.920 possibly

01:54:58.380 can

01:54:58.760 in

01:54:58.960 the

01:54:59.080 present

01:54:59.480 and

01:55:00.480 that

01:55:00.660 seems

01:55:00.920 to

01:55:01.100 be

01:55:01.360 I

01:55:02.760 can't

01:55:03.120 think

01:55:03.320 of

01:55:03.440 any

01:55:03.640 better

01:55:03.920 thing

01:55:04.260 to

01:55:04.420 do

01:55:04.600 about

01:55:04.880 it

01:55:05.020 than

01:55:05.180 that

01:55:05.480 and

01:55:07.960 and

01:55:10.740 so

01:55:10.960 in

01:55:11.160 some

01:55:11.400 sense

01:55:11.740 the

01:55:12.340 whatever

01:55:12.880 regrets

01:55:13.480 I

01:55:13.720 have

01:55:14.040 are

01:55:14.240 being

01:55:14.700 yeah

01:55:19.780 I'm

01:55:20.620 atoning

01:55:21.020 for them

01:55:21.540 sufficiently

01:55:22.080 so that

01:55:22.600 they're

01:55:22.760 not

01:55:22.980 plaguing

01:55:23.560 me

01:55:23.880 and

01:55:26.380 I'm

01:55:26.620 pleased

01:55:27.020 with

01:55:27.340 when I

01:55:28.500 look

01:55:28.680 at

01:55:28.960 my

01:55:29.880 life

01:55:30.420 I'm

01:55:30.680 grateful

01:55:31.040 for

01:55:31.400 it

01:55:31.620 you

01:55:32.360 know

01:55:32.580 ups

01:55:35.700 and

01:55:35.900 the

01:55:36.040 downs

01:55:36.420 and

01:55:38.440 I

01:55:38.580 think

01:55:38.820 that

01:55:39.080 well

01:55:44.080 and in

01:55:44.380 some

01:55:44.600 sense

01:55:44.900 too

01:55:45.120 I

01:55:45.260 think

01:55:45.460 that

01:55:45.620 I'm

01:55:46.140 sort

01:55:46.360 of

01:55:46.540 I'm

01:55:46.860 privileged

01:55:47.380 to

01:55:47.640 atone

01:55:48.000 for

01:55:48.300 it

01:55:48.500 that's

01:55:49.760 an

01:55:49.860 interesting

01:55:50.260 thing

01:55:50.640 is

01:55:50.800 that

01:55:51.020 it's

01:55:54.320 it's

01:55:54.920 really

01:55:55.120 something

01:55:55.520 you

01:55:56.460 have

01:55:56.880 the

01:55:57.060 opportunity

01:55:57.580 to

01:55:57.880 set

01:55:58.080 what

01:55:58.260 you've

01:55:58.480 done

01:55:58.740 you

01:55:59.500 have

01:55:59.800 the

01:55:59.980 opportunity

01:56:00.460 to

01:56:00.860 set

01:56:01.100 what

01:56:01.300 you've

01:56:01.540 done

01:56:01.780 wrong

01:56:02.160 right

01:56:02.580 you

01:56:03.800 could

01:56:03.980 do

01:56:04.140 that

01:56:04.480 and

01:56:05.660 that

01:56:05.820 is

01:56:06.020 a

01:56:06.180 privilege

01:56:06.620 and

01:56:08.180 so

01:56:08.340 it's

01:56:08.520 a

01:56:08.640 privilege

01:56:08.980 to

01:56:09.240 try

01:56:09.560 to

01:56:09.720 do

01:56:09.880 that

01:56:10.220 think

01:56:10.780 I

01:56:10.920 could

01:56:11.060 put

01:56:11.220 things

01:56:11.500 right

01:56:11.860 it's

01:56:13.000 like

01:56:13.100 there

01:56:13.240 isn't

01:56:13.440 a

01:56:13.540 better

01:56:13.720 thing

01:56:13.980 to

01:56:14.140 there

01:56:14.320 isn't

01:56:14.540 anything

01:56:14.820 better

01:56:15.200 to

01:56:15.420 do

01:56:15.620 than

01:56:15.880 that

01:56:16.200 and

01:56:16.780 you

01:56:16.880 can

01:56:17.020 put

01:56:17.300 things

01:56:17.760 right

01:56:18.080 by

01:56:18.360 your

01:56:18.620 own

01:56:19.020 standards

01:56:19.760 you know

01:56:21.920 I mean

01:56:22.460 people feel

01:56:23.100 guilty

01:56:23.560 and

01:56:24.400 that

01:56:24.760 can

01:56:24.920 become

01:56:25.180 pathological

01:56:25.820 you know

01:56:26.180 you can

01:56:26.640 feel

01:56:26.840 too

01:56:27.060 much

01:56:27.260 guilt

01:56:27.560 you

01:56:28.440 have

01:56:28.640 to

01:56:28.800 calibrate

01:56:29.320 your

01:56:29.520 guilt

01:56:29.800 you

01:56:30.020 have

01:56:30.180 to

01:56:30.260 have

01:56:30.380 a

01:56:30.520 dialogue

01:56:30.880 with

01:56:31.160 your

01:56:31.300 conscience

01:56:31.740 it's

01:56:32.500 not

01:56:32.700 infallible

01:56:33.320 but

01:56:34.600 you

01:56:34.740 do

01:56:34.900 have

01:56:35.100 a

01:56:35.240 sense

01:56:35.520 of

01:56:35.700 right

01:56:35.920 and

01:56:36.100 wrong

01:56:36.420 and

01:56:36.880 if

01:56:39.420 you

01:56:39.540 followed

01:56:39.860 that

01:56:40.120 sense

01:56:40.400 and

01:56:40.540 you

01:56:40.660 put

01:56:40.820 things

01:56:41.080 right

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The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast - December 22, 2019

Beyond Order： Another 12 Rules for Life

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