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00:03:04.560 Hello, everyone.

00:03:08.720 So, hopefully we're going to get past Genesis 1 today.

00:03:11.660 That's the theory.

00:03:13.380 So, I finished my new book yesterday.

00:03:19.580 Yeah, so that's taken about three years of writing.

00:03:29.820 It's quite a long time to write something.

00:03:32.040 So, yeah, it's done.

00:03:34.700 Except for the mopping up, you know, copy editing and that sort of thing.

00:03:38.120 So, hopefully it's as good as I can make it.

00:03:40.300 I don't know if it's any good, but it's as good as I can make it anyways.

00:03:43.660 All right, so this is...

00:03:44.580 The stories that I'm going to tell you tonight, I've been thinking about, well, like the ones last week, for that matter, for a very long period of time.

00:03:54.820 But I think these even longer.

00:03:55.980 And one of the things that I just do not understand, I cannot fathom this.

00:04:01.300 I cannot understand how there can be so much information in such tiny little stories.

00:04:08.000 Especially the story of Cain and Abel.

00:04:09.640 That story just, every time I read it, it just flattens me.

00:04:12.580 Because it's only like a paragraph long.

00:04:20.420 There's just nothing to it, you know.

00:04:21.860 And I think about it, and I think about it, and I think about it, and I think about it.

00:04:25.220 And every time I think about it, another layer comes out from underneath it.

00:04:29.260 And then another layer comes out from underneath it.

00:04:31.100 And I can't figure that out.

00:04:32.560 You know, the rational approach that I've been describing to you is predicated on the idea that these stories have somehow encapsulated wisdom that we generated interpersonally and behaviorally,

00:04:46.040 and then an image over very vast stretches of time, and then condensed it into very, very dense, articulated words that are then further refined by the act of being remembered and transmitted and remembered and transmitted and remembered and transmitted over vast stretches of time.

00:05:02.560 And that's a pretty good argument.

00:05:03.920 I'm willing to go with it.

00:05:06.140 But it still never ceases to amaze me how much information such tiny little passages can contain.

00:05:18.800 So we'll take that apart today.

00:05:23.160 And I think it's especially true with the story of Cain and Abel.

00:05:25.700 Because it works on the individual level, and it works on the familial level, and it works on the political level.

00:05:32.540 And it works at the level of warfare, and it works at the level of economics.

00:05:36.020 And that's a lot for a little tiny one-paragraph story to cover, man.

00:05:41.080 Now, you know, you could object, well, with these stories, you never know what you're reading into it and what's in the story, right?

00:05:47.240 That's part of, let's call it the postmodern dilemma.

00:05:50.220 And fair enough.

00:05:51.560 And there's really no answer to that any more than there is an answer to how do you know your interpretation of the world is, well, let's not say correct, but sufficient.

00:06:00.740 There's some answer to that.

00:06:02.000 It's sufficient if you can act it out in the world, and other people don't object too much, and you don't die, and nature doesn't take a bite out of you any more often than necessary.

00:06:11.640 You know, those are the constraints within which we live, so you have some way of determining whether your interpretation is at least functionally successful, and that's not trivial.

00:06:24.240 And I guess you can say the same thing to the interpretations that might be laid out on these stories, and at the moment that's probably good enough.

00:06:31.200 Hopefully, you find the interpretations functionally significant at multiple levels, and I also think the chance of managing that by chance is very, very small.

00:06:41.020 You know, to be able to pull off an interpretation of a story that works at multiple levels simultaneously, you think with each level that it applies, the chances that you've stumbled across something by chance have to be decreasing, right?

00:06:54.580 There's a technical term for that in psychology, it's called something like multi-method, multi-trait method of determining whether or not something is accurate, and the idea is the more ways that you can measure it and get the same result, the more confident you can be that you're not just diluting yourself with your a priori hypotheses, you know, that there's actually something out there.

00:07:17.820 So I guess that's another part of this method is that, and it's also a method that I use in my speaking, I think, I don't try to tell people anything that isn't personally relevant, you know, because you should know why you are being taught something, right?

00:07:31.380 You should know what the fact is good for, and then it should be good for you personally, at least in some sense, and then if you act it out in the world, it should be good for your family, and maybe should have some significance for the broader community.

00:07:42.060 I mean, I think that's what meaning means, and I don't really see the utility in being taught things that aren't meaningful, facts that aren't meaningful, because there's an infinite number of facts, and there's no way you're going to remember all of them, they have to be, they have to have the aspect of tools, essentially, something like that, because we are tool-using creatures.

00:08:00.240 Well, these stories have that aspect, as far as I can tell, there's nothing, there's no doubt about that.

00:08:09.500 So here's the stories in Genesis 2, very famous stories, obviously, virtually everybody who's even vaguely versed in Western, roughly speaking, Western culture knows these stories, and that's something that's interesting, too, that stories can be so foundational that everybody shares them.

00:08:29.740 I mean, you can say the same thing about a fairly large handful of fairy tales, as well, or you could, at least, until recently.

00:08:37.520 But the fact that stories are foundational, I think, also means that they have to be given a kind of, well, even if you don't give them any respect, you have to at least treat them as remarkable curiosities.

00:08:50.260 So why those stories, and why do they stick around, and why does everybody know them?

00:08:54.960 And it's not self-evident by any stretch of the imagination, and you can use explanations, you can use the Freudian explanation.

00:09:01.860 Freud sort of thought that the Judeo-Christian was predicated on the idea that the figure of the father, the familial father, was expanded up into cosmic dimensions,

00:09:14.120 so that mankind existed in the same relationship to the cosmic father, let's say, that an infant or a small child existed in relationship to his or her own father.

00:09:24.940 And that's a reasonable critique, I would say, to some degree, but it does, and this was purposeful,

00:09:33.760 it does imply, more than imply in Freud's case, that people who adopt a religious belief that has a personified figure at its apex,

00:09:46.120 are essentially acting out the role of dependent children.

00:09:50.280 And, you know, I thought about that critique for a long time, and believe me, that's been a powerful critique.

00:09:55.180 One of the best books I ever read, called Denial of Death, by Ernest Becker, I think took that line of argumentation.

00:10:01.120 And it developed it as well as any book I've ever seen argue it.

00:10:07.760 Becker tried to bring closure to Freudian psychoanalysis on religion, and he did a pretty wicked job of it.

00:10:14.220 Like, I think the book is seriously flawed and wrong, but it's really a great book.

00:10:19.820 Like, some books are, well, some books are wrong in really good ways, right?

00:10:22.980 They make a powerful, powerful argument.

00:10:24.900 They really take it to its extreme.

00:10:26.120 I think Becker missed the point, and he missed it in the same way that Freud missed Jung's point.

00:10:34.640 And Becker, who wrote this book on the psychology, the psychoanalysis of religion, never referred to Jung,

00:10:41.060 except very briefly in the introduction, and I think that was a major mistake.

00:10:45.460 But Becker took the argument that the hypothesis of God is nothing but an attempt by human beings

00:10:53.860 to recreate a quasi-infantile state of dependency and to be able to rely on an all-knowing father

00:11:01.660 and to thereby recover the comfort, perhaps, that we experienced when we were young

00:11:07.700 and had a hypothetically all-knowing father, for those of us who were lucky to have someone

00:11:13.220 who vaguely resembled that.

00:11:15.580 But the more I thought about that, the more that struck me as quite implausible across time.

00:11:21.980 Charles Taylor, I think it was Charles Taylor, wrote an interesting book called the, I think

00:11:27.780 it was called The Origins of the Modern Self.

00:11:29.520 He's a McGill philosopher, and I wouldn't necessarily call him a friend of classic religion, but it doesn't matter.

00:11:35.680 He made a very interesting point about Christianity in particular.

00:11:39.000 He said, well, if you're going to invent a religion that offered you nothing but infantile comfort,

00:11:45.100 why in the world would you bother with conceptualizing hell?

00:11:48.520 That just seems like an unnecessary detail to add to the whole story, right?

00:11:51.920 If it's all about comfort, why would you hypothesize that the consequence of serious error was eternal torment?

00:12:01.380 That doesn't really sound very, it isn't the sort of thing that is likely to make you feel comfortable.

00:12:09.160 James Joyce, when he wrote about that, said he had terrible nightmares when he was a child

00:12:12.480 because of the hellfire sermons the Jesuits used to spout, spew forth, let's say.

00:12:19.840 And he wrote down what he remembered of them, and they were pretty hair-raising.

00:12:23.520 I think in James Joyce's book, I think it was Portrait of the Artist of a Young Man,

00:12:27.420 he talked about the Jesuits telling him that hell was like a prison with walls that were seven miles thick,

00:12:34.620 that was always in darkness and consumed by fire,

00:12:37.760 and that the people who were trapped there were continually burnt by this dark fire that gave new light,

00:12:44.480 which also simultaneously rejuvenated their flesh, so that it could be burnt off eternally.

00:12:49.720 In case you were wondering how it was going to be burnt off eternally, that's apparently the process.

00:12:54.700 It's not easy for me to see that as an infantile wish fulfillment, I'm afraid.

00:12:58.600 Now, you could, well, you could be a cynic about it,

00:13:01.460 and Elaine Padgels, who wrote a book on the devil, was cynical about it in this manner.

00:13:06.980 She thought that the Christians, so to speak, invented hell as a place to put their enemies.

00:13:11.920 And, you know, yeah, fair enough, but no, that's not accurate, really,

00:13:18.620 although it's convenient to have a place to put your enemies.

00:13:21.540 Charles Taylor did point out, for example, that the modern terror of loss of self,

00:13:27.760 let's say the existential loss of self and loss of meaning,

00:13:30.820 was perhaps roughly paralleled by the medieval terror of hell, you know, in terms of existential intensity.

00:13:37.060 And so it wasn't, hell wasn't merely a place where those people that you didn't care for would end up,

00:13:41.760 it was the place where you were going to go if you didn't walk the line properly.

00:13:45.720 And so I don't think Freud's, Freud's critique really holds water in the final analysis.

00:13:51.720 And then Marx's critique, of course, was that religion was the opiate of the masses,

00:13:55.540 and he made an argument that was similar to Freud's, although somewhat earlier,

00:13:59.460 and made the, based upon the presupposition that religious beliefs were stories told to the gullible masses

00:14:06.760 in order to keep them pacified and happy while their corporate overlords,

00:14:13.340 for lack of a better purpose, continued to exploit them and weaken them.

00:14:18.740 And, you know, I find that, I find the critique of human institutions as driven entirely by power

00:14:27.080 very, let's say, questionable to say the least.

00:14:32.000 And, of course, every human institution is corrupted by, corrupted, is corrupt,

00:14:38.440 by, for one reason or another, and it's also corrupt specifically by such things as deception and arrogance

00:14:45.700 and the demand for unearned power.

00:14:48.680 And the same thing, of course, can be applied to religious systems,

00:14:52.740 but that doesn't mean that they are, in some special way, characteristic of those faults.

00:14:58.240 And maybe you think they are, and, you know, maybe you can make a case for it,

00:15:01.380 but it's not prima facie, I think that's how you say that,

00:15:05.060 evident that that also is a particularly useful criticism.

00:15:12.100 I don't buy it.

00:15:13.120 I think there's, I think that's far too cynical.

00:15:17.400 I think that the people who wrote these stories,

00:15:20.280 first of all, what are you going to do?

00:15:21.480 You're going to run a bloody conspiracy for 3,000 years successfully?

00:15:25.900 It's like, good luck with that.

00:15:28.320 You can't run a conspiracy for 15 minutes without somebody ratting you out.

00:15:32.140 You know, it's impossible.

00:15:33.660 So, whatever's at the basis of the construction, not only of these stories,

00:15:39.500 but of the dogmatic structures that emerged from them,

00:15:42.260 I think that it's a terrible mistake to reduce them to unidimensional explanations.

00:15:46.640 In fact, I generally think that reducing any complex human behavior to unidimensional explanation

00:15:51.300 is often the sign of a seriously limited thinker.

00:15:54.880 And, you know, I say that with some caution,

00:15:56.700 because Freud did do that with religion, at least to some degree,

00:15:59.580 and Freud was a serious thinker,

00:16:01.140 and Marx, I suppose, was a serious thinker too,

00:16:03.460 even though, well, yeah, if he's someone you just,

00:16:14.220 if you have any sense, Marx just leaves you speechless.

00:16:17.400 So, anyway, so that's all to say that I don't think there's any simple explanation

00:16:23.500 for how these stories have the power that they have.

00:16:27.480 I really don't.

00:16:28.940 I don't think you can reduce it to political conspiracy, that's for sure.

00:16:32.080 I don't think you can reduce it to psychological infantilism.

00:16:35.920 I think you can make a case, like I have,

00:16:38.140 that they are repositories of the collective wisdom of the human race.

00:16:43.620 I had an interesting letter this week from someone,

00:16:45.580 I get a lot of interesting letters,

00:16:47.640 I think I'm going to make an archive out of them

00:16:49.560 and put them on the web at some point,

00:16:51.740 with people's permission, obviously.

00:16:55.600 And he said that he'd been following my lectures

00:16:58.120 and noted that I'd been making what you might describe

00:17:00.980 as a quasi-biological or evolutionary case

00:17:03.440 for the emergence of the information that the stories contain.

00:17:08.660 And he said, well,

00:17:09.940 how do you know that someone from a different religious tradition

00:17:13.320 or speaking of a different religious tradition

00:17:15.260 couldn't do exactly the same thing?

00:17:17.300 And I thought, well,

00:17:19.920 first of all, to some degree they could,

00:17:21.760 because there is overlap.

00:17:22.980 Like, I've talked to you a little bit about Taoism,

00:17:25.360 for example, in the Taoist view of being as,

00:17:29.040 you know,

00:17:29.620 the eternal balance between chaos and order.

00:17:32.680 One thing I didn't tell you,

00:17:33.620 I don't think about that,

00:17:34.520 and I don't know if you know this,

00:17:35.640 but there's a neuropsychologist named L. Conan Goldberg

00:17:38.380 who was a student of Alexander Luria.

00:17:41.000 And Luria was, I think,

00:17:41.800 the greatest neuropsychologist of the 20th century.

00:17:43.860 He was a Russian.

00:17:45.200 And he was one of the first people

00:17:47.160 to really determine,

00:17:49.500 in large part,

00:17:50.260 the function of the frontal cortex,

00:17:52.120 which was quite a mystery for a very long period of time.

00:17:54.980 And Goldberg,

00:17:56.180 you know how we have two hemispheres, right?

00:17:57.980 We have a left hemisphere and a right hemisphere,

00:17:59.680 and people often think of the left

00:18:01.020 for right-handed people,

00:18:02.340 right-handed males more particularly,

00:18:04.380 because women are more neurologically diffuse.

00:18:08.420 It's one of the things that makes them more robust

00:18:10.220 to head injury, for example.

00:18:13.180 And maybe men are less diffuse

00:18:15.180 and somewhat more specialized,

00:18:16.500 which makes them a bit more specialized,

00:18:18.040 but a little more subject to damage.

00:18:19.960 Anyways,

00:18:21.020 we have two hemispheres,

00:18:22.200 left and the right,

00:18:23.020 and no one exactly knows why.

00:18:24.300 And we know that they house

00:18:25.480 quasi-independent consciousnesses,

00:18:27.480 because if you divide the corpus callosum

00:18:29.480 that unites them,

00:18:31.340 which was done

00:18:32.380 in cases of intractable epilepsy,

00:18:35.700 for example,

00:18:36.200 that each hemisphere is capable

00:18:37.780 of developing its own consciousness

00:18:39.380 to some degree,

00:18:41.180 the right generally non-verbal

00:18:42.640 and the left verbal.

00:18:43.820 And so there has been this idea

00:18:44.980 that the left is a verbal hemisphere

00:18:46.520 and the right is a non-verbal hemisphere.

00:18:48.900 But that can't be right,

00:18:50.400 because of course animals don't talk

00:18:51.860 and they have a bifurcated hemisphere.

00:18:53.460 So if it's right,

00:18:55.260 it's not causally right.

00:18:57.720 Now Goldberg hypothesized instead

00:18:59.760 that the hemispheres were specialized

00:19:02.280 for routinization and non-routinization

00:19:04.620 or for novelty and familiarity

00:19:06.900 or for chaos and order.

00:19:10.260 And so that's pretty damn cool.

00:19:11.680 When I ran across that,

00:19:12.900 I also thought about that

00:19:13.860 as a signal of,

00:19:15.840 what would you call it,

00:19:17.720 multi-method,

00:19:19.460 multi-trait construct validation,

00:19:22.700 because I'd never thought

00:19:24.060 of the hemispheres

00:19:24.680 as operating that way

00:19:25.560 and Goldberg came up with this

00:19:27.160 in a historical pathway

00:19:29.820 that was entirely independent

00:19:31.020 from any mythologically inspired thinking,

00:19:33.100 completely independent.

00:19:34.900 In fact,

00:19:35.740 it was motivated more

00:19:37.260 by materialist Russian neuropsychology,

00:19:39.920 which was materialist

00:19:40.820 for political reasons

00:19:42.600 and also for scientific reasons.

00:19:44.960 But the idea is

00:19:45.940 that we have one hemisphere

00:19:46.940 that reacts very rapidly

00:19:48.120 to things we don't know

00:19:49.300 and it's more imaginative

00:19:50.720 and diffuse

00:19:51.280 and it's associated

00:19:52.680 more with negative emotion

00:19:53.780 because negative emotion

00:19:55.200 is what you should feel immediately

00:19:56.640 when you encounter

00:19:57.360 something you don't understand.

00:19:59.020 Because it's a form of thinking,

00:20:00.340 right?

00:20:00.620 Negative emotion.

00:20:01.480 It's like,

00:20:02.100 I'm somewhere where things

00:20:03.440 aren't what they should be.

00:20:05.320 The right hemisphere does that,

00:20:06.440 generates images very rapidly

00:20:07.860 to help you figure out

00:20:08.800 what might be there.

00:20:10.240 And then the left hemisphere

00:20:11.980 takes that

00:20:12.840 and develops it

00:20:13.520 into something

00:20:13.980 that's more articulated

00:20:14.940 and algorithmic

00:20:17.140 and fully understood.

00:20:18.120 And so then there's

00:20:18.940 this dynamic balance

00:20:20.040 between the right

00:20:20.720 and the left hemisphere

00:20:21.540 where the left

00:20:22.580 tries to impose order

00:20:24.260 on the world.

00:20:25.180 That's Ramachandran

00:20:26.100 who's a neurologist

00:20:27.100 in California,

00:20:28.620 a very famous

00:20:29.080 neurologist

00:20:31.980 who also developed

00:20:33.300 a theory like Goldberg's

00:20:34.540 who said that

00:20:35.040 the left hemisphere

00:20:35.820 imposes routinized order

00:20:37.720 on the world

00:20:38.280 and the right hemisphere

00:20:39.220 generates novelty

00:20:41.000 and reacts to novelty

00:20:44.680 and generates novel hypotheses.

00:20:46.360 And he thought,

00:20:46.980 and there is some good evidence

00:20:48.020 for this,

00:20:48.700 that's what's happening

00:20:49.780 during the dream

00:20:50.500 is that information

00:20:51.940 has moved from the right hemisphere

00:20:53.240 to the left hemisphere

00:20:54.100 in small doses,

00:20:56.440 basically.

00:20:57.640 So that the novel revelations

00:21:00.480 of the right hemisphere

00:21:01.300 don't demolish

00:21:02.340 the algorithmic structures

00:21:04.260 that the left hemisphere

00:21:05.920 has so carefully put together.

00:21:07.340 And I like that theory too

00:21:12.260 because it also does help

00:21:14.280 justify the hypothesis

00:21:17.120 that I've been laying out for you

00:21:18.520 which is that

00:21:19.140 there's part of us

00:21:21.140 that extends ourselves

00:21:22.160 out into the world

00:21:22.860 and tries to understand

00:21:23.680 what we don't know

00:21:24.760 and that that part

00:21:25.920 extends itself out

00:21:26.880 with behavior

00:21:27.700 and also with emotion

00:21:28.740 and also with image

00:21:29.800 and then maybe with poetry

00:21:31.320 and then maybe with storytelling

00:21:32.520 and then as that develops

00:21:34.580 then we develop

00:21:35.580 more and more

00:21:35.980 articulated representations

00:21:37.240 of that emergent knowledge.

00:21:39.500 And so you can map

00:21:40.200 that quite nicely

00:21:40.960 onto the neurologists

00:21:43.160 and the neuropsychologists'

00:21:44.840 presumption about

00:21:45.460 what constitutes

00:21:46.320 the reason for

00:21:48.180 the hemispheric differentiation.

00:21:49.120 but the other thing

00:21:50.120 that's so cool

00:21:50.740 about the hemispheric

00:21:51.440 differentiation argument

00:21:52.500 as far as I'm concerned

00:21:53.380 and this is really

00:21:54.060 this is worth thinking about

00:21:55.360 man because it's a real

00:21:56.460 it's a real

00:21:57.860 there's a word

00:22:01.200 that Ned Flanders

00:22:02.500 uses for that

00:22:03.280 noggin scratcher

00:22:04.700 I think it's something

00:22:05.340 like that.

00:22:06.720 Anyways

00:22:07.240 you know

00:22:08.060 we do make the assumption

00:22:09.040 that what it is

00:22:10.060 that we are biologically

00:22:11.060 adapted to

00:22:12.180 is reality.

00:22:13.440 Right?

00:22:13.840 It's actually

00:22:14.240 an axiomatic definition

00:22:15.720 if you're a Darwinian

00:22:17.080 because nature

00:22:18.300 is what selects

00:22:19.620 by definition

00:22:20.500 that's what nature is

00:22:21.460 it's what selects

00:22:22.680 and if the nature

00:22:24.440 that selects

00:22:25.120 has forced upon you

00:22:26.160 a dual hemispheric structure

00:22:27.640 because half of you

00:22:28.900 has to deal with chaos

00:22:29.880 and half of you

00:22:31.180 has to deal with order

00:22:32.060 then you can make

00:22:33.420 a pretty damn strong

00:22:34.300 inferential case

00:22:35.120 that the world

00:22:35.620 is made out of chaos

00:22:36.440 and order

00:22:36.880 and that's really

00:22:38.140 something to

00:22:38.840 that's really something

00:22:39.740 to think about

00:22:40.400 man you know

00:22:41.040 so you can think about

00:22:42.340 that for a while

00:22:42.920 if you want

00:22:43.300 so

00:22:44.540 anyways

00:22:45.980 for whatever reason

00:22:46.840 there is a lot

00:22:47.580 packed into these stories

00:22:48.820 and so

00:22:49.320 let's investigate

00:22:50.960 a couple more of them

00:22:51.800 we'll start with this story

00:22:53.100 of Adam and Eve

00:22:54.380 now

00:22:54.960 you may remember

00:22:56.160 that

00:22:57.500 the Bible

00:22:58.860 is a series of books

00:23:00.400 Bible actually means

00:23:01.600 something akin to library

00:23:02.920 and these books

00:23:04.020 were written by all sorts

00:23:04.860 of different people

00:23:05.600 and groups of people

00:23:06.940 and groups of editors

00:23:07.980 and groups of people

00:23:09.560 who edited

00:23:10.080 over and over

00:23:11.560 across very very large

00:23:12.980 periods of time

00:23:13.700 so they're authored

00:23:14.960 by no one

00:23:15.600 and many

00:23:16.080 at the same time

00:23:17.220 there was a tradition

00:23:20.120 for a long time

00:23:20.780 that the earliest books

00:23:21.580 were written by Moses

00:23:22.420 but that's probably

00:23:25.240 not technically correct

00:23:27.580 even though it might be

00:23:28.560 dramatically correct

00:23:29.960 let's say

00:23:30.400 or correct in the way

00:23:31.900 that a fairy tale

00:23:32.580 is correct

00:23:33.100 and I'm not

00:23:34.480 trying to put down

00:23:36.520 fairy tales

00:23:37.040 by saying that

00:23:37.840 but there's a number

00:23:39.060 of authors

00:23:39.540 and the way

00:23:39.900 the authors

00:23:40.300 have been identified

00:23:41.180 tentatively

00:23:42.020 is by certain

00:23:43.300 stylistic commonalities

00:23:44.660 across the different

00:23:45.600 stories

00:23:46.520 different uses of words

00:23:47.680 like the words for God

00:23:48.660 different poetic styles

00:23:50.200 different topics

00:23:51.200 and so forth

00:23:51.840 and people have been

00:23:52.700 working for

00:23:53.260 probably 200 years

00:23:54.640 roughly that

00:23:55.700 to try to sort out

00:23:57.460 who wrote what

00:23:58.640 and how that was

00:23:59.620 all cobbled together

00:24:00.380 but it doesn't really matter

00:24:02.080 for our purposes

00:24:02.780 what matters is that

00:24:03.800 it's an aggregation

00:24:05.380 of collected

00:24:06.720 narrative

00:24:08.000 traditions

00:24:09.740 and maybe you could say

00:24:10.800 it's an aggregation

00:24:11.480 of collected

00:24:11.940 narrative wisdom

00:24:12.660 we don't have to go

00:24:13.400 that far

00:24:13.760 but we can at least say

00:24:14.560 it's aggregated

00:24:15.600 narrative traditions

00:24:16.480 and that there was

00:24:17.540 some reason

00:24:18.100 that those traditions

00:24:19.000 and not others

00:24:19.600 were kept

00:24:20.080 and that there were

00:24:20.560 some reasons

00:24:21.280 complex though

00:24:22.100 they may have been

00:24:22.780 why they were sequenced

00:24:24.060 in the order

00:24:24.620 that they were sequenced

00:24:25.560 because one of the things

00:24:26.440 that's really remarkable

00:24:27.960 about the Bible

00:24:28.760 as a document

00:24:29.820 is that it actually

00:24:30.580 has a plot

00:24:31.380 and that's really something

00:24:32.840 I mean it's

00:24:33.880 it's sprawling

00:24:34.860 and it goes many places

00:24:36.340 but the fact that

00:24:37.560 something's been cobbled

00:24:38.380 together over several

00:24:39.420 thousand years

00:24:40.200 maybe four thousand years

00:24:41.540 maybe longer than that

00:24:42.480 if you include the oral

00:24:43.480 traditions that preceded it

00:24:45.400 and God only knows

00:24:46.160 how old those are

00:24:46.900 that the collective imagination

00:24:49.340 part of the human

00:24:51.340 collective imagination

00:24:52.180 has cobbled together

00:24:53.220 a library with a plot

00:24:54.520 and like I see the Bible

00:24:56.600 as an attempt

00:24:57.360 a collective attempt

00:24:58.620 by humanity

00:24:59.240 to solve the deepest

00:25:00.280 problems that we have

00:25:01.480 and I think those problems

00:25:02.940 are the problems of

00:25:03.780 primarily the problem

00:25:06.000 of self-consciousness

00:25:06.980 the fact that

00:25:08.600 not only do we

00:25:09.380 are we mortal

00:25:10.020 and that we die

00:25:10.700 but that we know it

00:25:11.600 and that's the unique

00:25:13.000 that's the unique

00:25:14.620 predicament of human beings

00:25:18.060 and it makes all the difference

00:25:19.080 and I think that's laid out

00:25:20.120 in Adam and Eve

00:25:20.740 in the story of Adam and Eve

00:25:21.720 I think the reason

00:25:23.380 that that makes us unique

00:25:24.960 and is laid out

00:25:26.520 in that story

00:25:27.140 and interestingly

00:25:29.220 and I really realized

00:25:30.260 this only

00:25:30.800 after I was doing

00:25:32.080 the last three lectures

00:25:33.000 so the Bible presents

00:25:36.140 a cataclysm

00:25:37.980 at the beginning

00:25:40.440 of time

00:25:41.240 which is the emergence

00:25:42.020 of self-consciousness

00:25:42.980 in human beings

00:25:43.580 which puts a rift

00:25:44.460 into the structure

00:25:45.580 of being

00:25:46.080 that's the right way

00:25:47.000 to think about it

00:25:47.660 and that's really given

00:25:48.680 cosmic significance

00:25:49.640 now you can dispense

00:25:51.320 with that

00:25:51.740 and say well

00:25:52.420 nothing that happens

00:25:53.480 to human beings

00:25:54.100 is of cosmic significance

00:25:55.160 because we're these

00:25:55.980 short-lived

00:25:56.740 mold-like entities

00:25:59.320 that are like cancers

00:26:00.600 on this tiny little planet

00:26:01.820 that's rotating out

00:26:03.000 in the middle of nowhere

00:26:04.000 on the edge

00:26:04.800 of some unknown galaxy

00:26:06.600 in the middle

00:26:07.100 of infinite space

00:26:08.020 and nothing that happens

00:26:09.080 to us matters

00:26:09.740 and it's fine

00:26:10.580 like you can walk

00:26:11.300 down that road

00:26:11.840 if you want

00:26:12.300 I wouldn't recommend it

00:26:13.600 I mean and that's

00:26:15.940 part of the reason

00:26:16.460 I think that for all

00:26:17.420 intents and purposes

00:26:18.440 it's untrue

00:26:19.400 you know

00:26:20.440 it isn't a road

00:26:22.400 you can walk down

00:26:23.180 and live well

00:26:23.960 in fact I think

00:26:25.280 if you really walk

00:26:26.100 down that road

00:26:26.660 and you really take it

00:26:27.400 seriously

00:26:27.660 you end up not living

00:26:28.520 at all

00:26:28.900 so it's certainly

00:26:30.640 very reminiscent

00:26:31.420 I mean I've talked

00:26:32.100 to lots of people

00:26:32.700 who are suicidal

00:26:33.460 and seriously suicidal

00:26:34.820 and you know

00:26:35.860 the kind of conclusions

00:26:36.820 that they draw

00:26:37.620 about the utility of life

00:26:38.900 prior to wishing

00:26:39.980 for its cessation

00:26:40.940 are very much like

00:26:42.400 the kind of conclusions

00:26:43.660 that you draw

00:26:44.360 if you walk down

00:26:45.160 that particular line

00:26:45.980 of reasoning long enough

00:26:46.780 if you're interested

00:26:47.820 in that

00:26:48.220 you could read

00:26:48.760 Tolstoy's Confessions

00:26:49.940 Leo Tolstoy's Confessions

00:26:51.280 it's a very short book

00:26:52.700 it's a killer man

00:26:54.140 it's a powerful book

00:26:55.420 very very short

00:26:56.260 and Tolstoy

00:26:57.280 describes his

00:26:58.700 obsession with suicide

00:27:00.580 when he was at the height

00:27:01.480 of his fame

00:27:01.960 most well-known author

00:27:03.940 in the world

00:27:04.500 you know

00:27:05.080 huge family

00:27:06.640 international fame

00:27:07.980 wealth beyond anyone's

00:27:09.800 imagining at that time

00:27:10.920 influential

00:27:12.020 admired

00:27:12.700 he had everything

00:27:13.320 that you could possibly

00:27:14.440 imagine that everyone

00:27:15.240 could have

00:27:15.740 and for years

00:27:16.260 he was afraid

00:27:17.180 to go out into his

00:27:18.500 barn with a rope

00:27:19.740 or a gun

00:27:20.300 because he thought

00:27:20.900 he'd either hang himself

00:27:21.760 or shoot himself

00:27:22.440 and he did get out of that

00:27:24.200 and he describes

00:27:25.520 why that happened

00:27:26.320 and where he went

00:27:27.600 when that happened

00:27:28.360 so if you're interested

00:27:30.300 in that

00:27:30.620 that's a very good book

00:27:31.720 so the biblical stories

00:27:35.280 starting with Adam and Eve

00:27:36.560 they present a different story

00:27:38.040 they present the emergence

00:27:40.980 of self-consciousness

00:27:41.980 in human beings

00:27:42.740 as a cosmically

00:27:44.200 cataclysmic event

00:27:45.300 and you could say

00:27:46.560 well what do we have

00:27:47.320 to do with the cosmos

00:27:48.040 and the answer to that

00:27:49.020 is it depends on

00:27:49.740 what you think

00:27:50.200 consciousness has to do

00:27:51.260 with the cosmos

00:27:51.780 and perhaps that's nothing

00:27:53.200 and perhaps it's everything

00:27:54.580 I'm going to go with everything

00:27:56.580 because that's how it looks to me

00:27:57.980 now of course

00:27:59.440 anyone who wishes to

00:28:00.760 is welcome to disagree

00:28:01.740 but if you believe

00:28:02.980 that consciousness

00:28:03.580 is a force of cosmic significance

00:28:05.660 which being itself

00:28:08.700 is dependent on

00:28:09.640 in any real sense

00:28:10.540 at least in any experiential sense

00:28:12.080 then it's not unreasonable

00:28:13.720 to assume that

00:28:15.080 radical restructurings

00:28:16.940 of consciousness

00:28:17.680 can worthily be granted

00:28:20.400 some kind of cosmic

00:28:21.600 or metaphysical significance

00:28:23.300 and even if it's not true

00:28:25.200 from outside the human perspective

00:28:28.080 whatever that might be

00:28:29.080 it's bloody well true

00:28:30.040 from within the human perspective

00:28:31.320 that's for sure

00:28:32.040 and so that's the

00:28:33.280 that's the initial event

00:28:35.200 in some sense

00:28:35.840 after the creation

00:28:36.740 is the cataclysmic fall

00:28:37.940 and then the entire rest

00:28:38.960 of the bible

00:28:39.480 is an attempt to figure out

00:28:40.420 what the hell to do about that

00:28:41.460 and everything in it

00:28:43.240 is

00:28:43.460 and so you could say

00:28:45.460 for example

00:28:46.040 in the earliest

00:28:46.640 in the old testament stories

00:28:48.460 what seems to happen

00:28:49.260 is that

00:28:49.680 the state of Israel

00:28:50.940 is founded

00:28:51.940 and it rises and falls

00:28:54.460 and rises and falls

00:28:55.400 and so there's this experimentation

00:28:56.960 for centuries

00:28:59.100 millennia even

00:29:00.260 with the idea

00:29:01.780 that the way

00:29:02.300 that you protect yourself

00:29:03.280 against the tragic consequences

00:29:04.660 of self-consciousness

00:29:05.680 is by organizing yourself

00:29:06.880 into a state

00:29:07.700 but then what happens

00:29:09.180 is the state itself

00:29:10.500 begins to reveal

00:29:11.400 its pathologies

00:29:12.280 and as those pathologies

00:29:13.920 mount

00:29:14.260 the state becomes

00:29:15.040 unstable and collapses

00:29:16.720 and then it

00:29:17.380 rises back up

00:29:19.860 and becomes unstable

00:29:20.720 and collapses

00:29:21.380 and then it rises back up

00:29:22.660 after it does this

00:29:24.100 a number of times

00:29:24.880 this is primarily

00:29:25.600 from Northrop Frye's

00:29:26.600 interpretations

00:29:27.180 people start wondering

00:29:28.820 if there's not something

00:29:29.740 wrong with the idea

00:29:30.660 that the state itself

00:29:31.840 is the

00:29:32.840 pathway

00:29:34.700 is the place of redemption

00:29:36.140 that there's something

00:29:37.080 wrong with that idea

00:29:38.200 and so then

00:29:39.740 I think

00:29:40.140 on the heels of that

00:29:41.480 comes the Christian revolution

00:29:43.580 with its

00:29:44.160 hypothesis

00:29:45.980 that

00:29:46.460 it's not the state

00:29:48.000 that's the place

00:29:49.180 of salvation

00:29:49.780 it's the individual psyche

00:29:51.180 and then

00:29:52.760 there's

00:29:54.160 there's a

00:29:54.720 there's a

00:29:55.640 an ethic

00:29:56.540 that goes along

00:29:57.100 with that too

00:29:57.640 which is quite interesting

00:29:58.620 so

00:29:58.920 the

00:30:00.560 ethic of redemption

00:30:01.740 after the state

00:30:04.640 experiment fails

00:30:05.860 let's say

00:30:06.420 is that

00:30:07.440 it's

00:30:08.560 it's the

00:30:09.060 it's within the individual

00:30:10.640 that redemption

00:30:11.420 can be manifested

00:30:13.040 let's say

00:30:13.740 and even in so far

00:30:15.000 as the state is concerned

00:30:15.980 because the state's

00:30:16.940 proper functioning

00:30:17.780 is dependent

00:30:18.360 on the proper functioning

00:30:19.620 of the individual

00:30:20.320 rather than the reverse

00:30:21.700 most fundamentally

00:30:22.640 and that the proper mode

00:30:24.240 of individual being

00:30:25.080 that's redemptive

00:30:25.920 is truth

00:30:26.820 and truth is the antidote

00:30:29.000 to the suffering

00:30:29.760 that's

00:30:30.820 that emerges

00:30:31.720 with the fall of man

00:30:33.400 in the story of Adam and Eve

00:30:35.320 and then that relates back

00:30:36.960 to the chapters

00:30:37.580 that we've already talked about

00:30:38.600 because there's this

00:30:39.340 insistence

00:30:40.100 in

00:30:40.880 Genesis 1

00:30:42.520 that

00:30:42.880 it's

00:30:44.540 the word

00:30:45.600 in the form of truth

00:30:46.900 that generates order

00:30:48.080 out of chaos

00:30:48.660 but even more importantly

00:30:49.880 and this is something

00:30:50.500 like I said

00:30:51.100 I most clearly realized

00:30:51.980 just doing these lectures

00:30:52.820 for the last three weeks

00:30:53.740 is

00:30:53.900 God continues to say

00:30:55.780 as he speaks

00:30:57.000 order into being

00:30:58.020 with truth

00:30:58.900 that the being he speaks

00:31:00.520 into being

00:31:01.060 is good

00:31:01.800 and so there's this

00:31:03.220 insistence that

00:31:04.220 the being that spoke

00:31:05.860 into being

00:31:06.360 through truth

00:31:06.980 is good

00:31:07.760 and so there's a hint there

00:31:09.460 it's so interesting

00:31:10.300 there's a hint there

00:31:10.940 right at the beginning

00:31:12.560 of the story

00:31:13.460 that

00:31:14.300 the

00:31:14.940 the state of being

00:31:16.360 that Adam and Eve

00:31:17.220 inhabited

00:31:19.340 before they fell

00:31:20.940 before they became

00:31:21.720 self-consciousness

00:31:22.600 conscious

00:31:23.440 in so far

00:31:24.220 as they were

00:31:24.860 made in the image of God

00:31:26.200 and acting out the truth

00:31:27.660 that

00:31:28.300 that being itself

00:31:29.660 was properly balanced

00:31:30.720 and it takes the entire Bible

00:31:32.800 to rediscover that

00:31:34.000 which is a

00:31:34.540 which is a journey back

00:31:35.760 to the beginning

00:31:36.400 right

00:31:37.280 and that's a classic theme

00:31:38.580 it's a classic mythological theme

00:31:40.240 that

00:31:40.440 the wise person

00:31:42.160 is the person

00:31:42.740 who finds

00:31:43.300 what they lost

00:31:44.180 in childhood

00:31:44.660 and regains it

00:31:45.540 right

00:31:45.940 that's a

00:31:47.500 I think that's a Jewish idea

00:31:49.800 that Zadik

00:31:50.500 if I remember correctly

00:31:51.600 who is a Messiah figure

00:31:52.920 is the person

00:31:53.760 who

00:31:54.020 finds what he lost

00:31:55.560 in childhood

00:31:56.000 and regains it

00:31:56.740 his idea of this

00:31:57.460 return to the beginning

00:31:58.760 except that the return is

00:32:00.080 you don't

00:32:00.740 fall backwards

00:32:01.540 into childhood

00:32:02.460 and unconsciousness

00:32:04.060 you return voluntarily

00:32:05.540 to the state

00:32:06.520 of childhood

00:32:07.860 well awake

00:32:09.220 and then determined

00:32:10.580 to participate

00:32:11.320 through truth

00:32:12.100 in the manifestation

00:32:12.900 of proper being

00:32:14.900 now

00:32:15.420 you know

00:32:16.240 I'm a psychologist

00:32:17.000 and I've taught

00:32:18.160 personality theory

00:32:19.100 for a very long time

00:32:20.100 and I know

00:32:21.160 personality theories

00:32:22.060 the profound personality theories

00:32:23.340 pretty well

00:32:23.800 and I'm reasonably well versed

00:32:25.420 in philosophy

00:32:25.940 although not as well versed

00:32:27.480 as I should be

00:32:28.040 but I can tell you

00:32:28.840 in all the things

00:32:30.000 I've ever read

00:32:31.160 or encountered

00:32:31.820 or thought about

00:32:32.400 I have never once

00:32:33.580 found an idea

00:32:34.320 that matches that

00:32:35.540 in terms of profundity

00:32:36.720 but not only profundity

00:32:37.960 also in believability

00:32:39.320 because the other thing

00:32:40.520 I see as a clinician

00:32:41.400 and I think this is

00:32:42.360 very characteristic

00:32:43.200 of clinical experience

00:32:44.860 and also very much

00:32:46.620 described explicitly

00:32:48.500 by the great clinicians

00:32:49.560 is that

00:32:50.340 what cures in therapy

00:32:51.940 is truth

00:32:52.520 that's the curative

00:32:54.780 now there's exposure

00:32:55.860 to the things

00:32:56.500 you're afraid of

00:32:57.120 and avoiding as well

00:32:57.960 but I would say

00:32:58.840 that's a form of

00:32:59.460 enacted truth

00:33:00.200 because if you know

00:33:01.140 there's something

00:33:01.520 you should do

00:33:02.220 by your own set of rules

00:33:03.560 and you're avoiding it

00:33:05.500 then you're enacting a lie

00:33:06.760 you know

00:33:07.220 you're not telling one

00:33:08.060 but you're acting one out

00:33:08.880 it's the same damn thing

00:33:09.880 so if I can get you

00:33:11.760 to face what it is

00:33:13.680 that you're confronting

00:33:14.420 that you know

00:33:15.040 you shouldn't be avoiding

00:33:16.020 then what's happening

00:33:17.140 is that we're both partaking

00:33:18.700 in the process

00:33:20.120 of attempting you

00:33:21.000 to act out

00:33:21.500 your deepest truth

00:33:22.380 and what happens

00:33:23.380 is that that improves

00:33:24.180 people's lives

00:33:24.880 and it improves them radically

00:33:26.300 and the evidence

00:33:27.260 the clinical evidence

00:33:28.080 for that is overwhelming

00:33:29.020 we know that

00:33:30.300 if you expose people

00:33:31.340 to the things

00:33:31.840 they're afraid of

00:33:32.440 but that they're avoiding

00:33:33.300 they get better

00:33:34.240 and you have to do it

00:33:35.420 carefully and cautiously

00:33:36.360 and with their own

00:33:37.160 participation

00:33:37.980 and all of that

00:33:38.780 but of all the things

00:33:40.900 that clinicians have established

00:33:42.340 that's credible

00:33:43.060 that's number one

00:33:44.240 and that's nested

00:33:45.060 inside this deeper realization

00:33:46.560 that the clinical experience

00:33:48.680 is redemptive

00:33:50.000 let's say

00:33:50.640 because it's designed

00:33:51.900 to address suffering

00:33:52.720 insofar as the people

00:33:54.100 who are engaged

00:33:54.780 in the process

00:33:55.440 are both telling each other

00:33:56.620 the truth

00:33:57.120 and then you think

00:33:58.000 well obviously

00:33:58.740 because if you have

00:34:00.120 some problems

00:34:00.780 and you come

00:34:01.980 to talk to me

00:34:02.500 about them

00:34:02.980 well first of all

00:34:03.980 just by coming

00:34:04.500 to talk to me

00:34:05.020 about them

00:34:05.340 you've admitted

00:34:05.880 that they exist

00:34:06.760 man that's a pretty good start

00:34:08.200 and second

00:34:09.100 well if you tell me

00:34:10.500 about them

00:34:10.900 then we know

00:34:11.520 what they are

00:34:12.100 and then

00:34:12.720 if we know

00:34:13.380 what they are

00:34:13.760 we can maybe

00:34:14.840 start to lay out

00:34:15.760 some solutions

00:34:16.380 and then you can

00:34:17.040 go act out

00:34:17.540 the solutions

00:34:17.980 and see if they work

00:34:18.920 but if you

00:34:19.700 don't admit

00:34:20.560 they're there

00:34:20.940 and you won't

00:34:21.320 tell me what they are

00:34:22.240 and I don't

00:34:23.680 and I'm like

00:34:24.320 posturing

00:34:24.860 and acting

00:34:25.980 egotistically

00:34:26.660 and taking the upper hand

00:34:28.100 and all of that

00:34:28.580 in our discussions

00:34:29.260 well how the hell

00:34:30.060 is that going to work

00:34:30.920 you know

00:34:32.020 it might be comfortable

00:34:32.900 moment to moment

00:34:33.680 while we stay

00:34:34.420 encapsulated in our delusion

00:34:35.920 but it's not going to work

00:34:37.120 so a lot of that seems

00:34:38.680 if you think it through

00:34:39.980 it seems pretty self-evident

00:34:41.240 and you know

00:34:42.100 Freud thought that repression

00:34:44.180 was at the heart

00:34:45.600 of much mental suffering

00:34:47.000 the difference between

00:34:48.160 repression and deception

00:34:49.260 is a matter of degree

00:34:51.780 and that's all

00:34:52.500 it's technical

00:34:53.320 it's a technical differentiation

00:34:54.720 and Alfred Adler

00:34:56.300 who was one of Freud's

00:34:57.560 greatest associates

00:34:59.320 let's say

00:34:59.760 and much underappreciated

00:35:01.120 I would say

00:35:01.540 he thought that people

00:35:02.800 got into problems

00:35:03.540 because they started

00:35:04.280 to act out a life lie

00:35:05.900 that's what he called it

00:35:06.800 a life lie

00:35:07.400 that's worth looking up

00:35:08.340 because Adler

00:35:08.880 although not as charismatic

00:35:10.240 as Freud

00:35:10.880 was very practical

00:35:12.080 and really foreshadowed

00:35:15.020 a lot of later developments

00:35:16.140 in cybernetic theory

00:35:17.060 and of course

00:35:17.520 Jung believed that

00:35:18.600 you could bypass

00:35:20.340 psychotherapy entirely

00:35:22.000 by merely making

00:35:23.120 a proper moral effort

00:35:24.360 in your own life

00:35:25.280 and Carl Rogers believed

00:35:26.840 that it was

00:35:27.380 honest communication

00:35:28.780 mediated through dialogue

00:35:30.520 that had redemptive consequences

00:35:32.680 and the behaviors believe

00:35:33.960 that you do a careful

00:35:35.180 micro-analysis

00:35:36.100 of the problems

00:35:36.900 that are laid before you

00:35:37.860 and help introduce people

00:35:39.260 to what they're avoiding

00:35:40.220 it's like

00:35:40.900 all of those things to me

00:35:42.460 are just secular variations

00:35:43.960 of the notion

00:35:44.660 that truth will set you free

00:35:46.580 essentially

00:35:47.180 so

00:35:48.300 so you know

00:35:50.560 it's a pretty powerful story

00:35:51.860 and

00:35:53.540 A

00:35:55.720 it's not that easy

00:35:56.420 to dispense with

00:35:57.320 and B

00:35:57.760 the other thing is

00:35:59.040 you dispense with it

00:35:59.880 at your peril

00:36:00.480 because what I have seen

00:36:01.600 as well

00:36:01.960 is that

00:36:02.320 the people that I've seen

00:36:04.680 who've been really hurt

00:36:05.620 have been hurt

00:36:06.540 mostly by deceit

00:36:07.560 and that's also worth

00:36:09.280 thinking about

00:36:09.860 that

00:36:10.100 you know

00:36:10.760 you get walloped by life

00:36:12.260 there's no doubt about that

00:36:13.340 there's absolutely

00:36:14.060 no doubt about that

00:36:15.000 but

00:36:15.800 I've thought for a long time

00:36:17.440 that maybe

00:36:17.800 maybe people can

00:36:19.240 handle

00:36:19.980 earthquakes and

00:36:21.660 cancer

00:36:22.480 and

00:36:22.820 even death

00:36:23.960 maybe

00:36:24.280 but they can't handle

00:36:26.200 betrayal

00:36:26.580 and they can't handle

00:36:27.720 deception

00:36:28.220 they can't handle

00:36:29.680 having the rug pulled out

00:36:30.860 from underneath them

00:36:31.480 by people that they love

00:36:32.500 and trust

00:36:32.980 that just does them in

00:36:34.740 you know

00:36:35.520 it

00:36:35.820 it

00:36:36.200 it

00:36:36.600 makes them ill

00:36:37.800 but it does

00:36:38.440 it hurts them

00:36:39.560 you know

00:36:39.900 psychophysiologically

00:36:41.320 it damages them

00:36:42.200 but more than that

00:36:42.840 it makes them cynical

00:36:43.820 and bitter

00:36:44.680 and vicious

00:36:45.200 and resentful

00:36:45.980 and then they also

00:36:47.260 start to act

00:36:48.020 all that out in the world

00:36:48.960 and that makes it worse

00:36:50.020 so

00:36:51.160 so you know

00:36:53.580 the story starts

00:36:54.500 God uses

00:36:55.400 the spoken truth

00:36:57.020 to create

00:36:57.740 being that is good

00:36:59.380 and then

00:37:00.880 the cataclysm

00:37:01.680 occurs

00:37:02.320 and then

00:37:03.560 human beings

00:37:04.960 spend untold

00:37:06.040 millennia

00:37:06.500 trying to sort out

00:37:07.460 exactly what to do

00:37:08.640 about the fact

00:37:09.240 that they've become

00:37:10.140 self-conscious

00:37:10.880 and you know

00:37:11.740 by the way

00:37:12.360 we have

00:37:13.180 right

00:37:13.600 we are in fact

00:37:14.780 self-conscious

00:37:15.440 no other animal

00:37:16.620 has that distinction

00:37:17.600 now you'll read

00:37:18.740 that chimpanzees

00:37:20.040 can for example

00:37:20.880 if you put lipstick

00:37:22.440 on a chimpanzee

00:37:23.980 it's kind of a strange

00:37:25.660 thing to do

00:37:26.320 yeah

00:37:29.320 well

00:37:31.000 I won't pursue

00:37:31.760 that any further

00:37:32.480 but the

00:37:34.780 chimpanzee

00:37:35.820 will wipe off

00:37:36.640 the lipstick

00:37:37.120 if you show it

00:37:37.760 a mirror

00:37:38.080 and

00:37:39.500 dolphins seem to be able

00:37:40.780 to recognize

00:37:41.680 themselves in mirrors

00:37:42.640 and there is

00:37:43.200 so there is

00:37:44.100 the glimmerings

00:37:45.460 of self-conscious

00:37:46.200 recognition

00:37:46.820 in other animals

00:37:47.680 but to

00:37:48.540 put that

00:37:49.600 in the same

00:37:50.000 conceptual category

00:37:50.940 as human

00:37:51.420 self-consciousness

00:37:52.300 is

00:37:52.540 to my way

00:37:54.220 of thinking

00:37:54.640 it's

00:37:56.620 well

00:37:59.380 it's uninformed

00:38:00.140 to say the least

00:38:00.820 but I also think

00:38:01.500 that it's motivated

00:38:02.560 it's motivated

00:38:03.260 by a kind of

00:38:03.900 anti-humanistic

00:38:04.900 underlying

00:38:05.500 an underlying

00:38:07.320 motivation

00:38:08.020 because

00:38:08.780 our self-consciousness

00:38:10.140 is so

00:38:10.560 incredibly developed

00:38:12.200 compared to that

00:38:12.880 that they're hardly

00:38:13.380 in the same

00:38:13.920 conceptual universe

00:38:14.680 it's like comparing

00:38:16.020 the

00:38:16.400 alarm cries

00:38:18.980 of vervet monkeys

00:38:19.880 when they see

00:38:20.480 a predator

00:38:20.980 to the language

00:38:21.860 of human beings

00:38:22.720 it's like

00:38:23.100 yeah yeah

00:38:23.640 there's some

00:38:24.380 similarities man

00:38:25.240 there are utterances

00:38:26.480 and there are

00:38:27.300 utterances with meaning

00:38:28.220 but they're not language

00:38:29.140 and the self-consciousness

00:38:30.200 of animals

00:38:30.660 is proto-self-consciousness

00:38:32.280 and it's only there

00:38:33.040 in a very small

00:38:34.080 number of animals

00:38:34.720 and it's

00:38:35.580 nothing like ours

00:38:36.600 they're not aware

00:38:37.600 of the future

00:38:38.200 like we are

00:38:38.760 they're not aware

00:38:39.420 of their boundaries

00:38:40.220 in space

00:38:41.120 and time

00:38:41.820 and that's the

00:38:42.740 critical thing

00:38:43.280 and most particularly

00:38:44.240 time

00:38:45.100 human beings

00:38:46.140 discovered

00:38:47.200 time

00:38:48.000 and when we

00:38:48.900 discovered time

00:38:49.480 we discovered

00:38:50.000 the end of each

00:38:51.440 of our being

00:38:52.360 and that made

00:38:53.700 all the difference

00:38:54.440 and that's what

00:38:55.280 the story of Adam

00:38:55.900 and Eve is about

00:38:56.540 so

00:38:57.820 Genesis 1

00:39:00.700 is derived

00:39:01.220 from the priestly

00:39:01.980 source

00:39:02.400 where God is

00:39:03.300 known as Elohim

00:39:04.660 or El Shaddai

00:39:05.580 and there's God

00:39:07.080 in the singular

00:39:08.380 and there's God

00:39:09.480 in the plural

00:39:10.380 and I suppose

00:39:11.200 that's because

00:39:11.800 it seems that

00:39:12.900 if you analyze

00:39:13.600 the history

00:39:14.960 of the development

00:39:15.820 of monotheistic ideas

00:39:16.980 that monotheism

00:39:18.240 emerges out of

00:39:19.240 a plurality

00:39:20.160 of gods

00:39:20.720 and as I mentioned

00:39:21.960 I think it's because

00:39:22.800 the gods represent

00:39:24.540 fundamental forces

00:39:25.780 at minimum

00:39:26.440 and those fundamental

00:39:27.220 forces have to be

00:39:28.120 hierarchically organized

00:39:29.320 with something

00:39:31.560 absolute at the top

00:39:33.600 because otherwise

00:39:34.100 they do nothing

00:39:34.740 but war

00:39:35.420 right?

00:39:35.860 you have to organize

00:39:37.020 your values

00:39:37.720 hierarchically

00:39:38.420 or you stay

00:39:38.960 confused

00:39:39.480 and that's true

00:39:40.380 if you're an individual

00:39:41.040 and it's true

00:39:42.380 if you're a state

00:39:43.020 if you don't know

00:39:43.940 what the next thing

00:39:45.060 you should do is

00:39:46.300 then there's 50 things

00:39:47.560 you should do

00:39:48.120 and then how are you

00:39:49.040 going to do any of them?

00:39:49.800 You can't

00:39:50.300 you have to prioritize

00:39:51.200 something has to be

00:39:52.380 above something else

00:39:53.420 it has to be arranged

00:39:54.540 in a hierarchy

00:39:55.100 for it not to be chaotic

00:39:56.300 and so there's some principle

00:39:57.600 at the top of the hierarchy

00:39:58.700 and maybe

00:39:59.160 the organization

00:40:00.160 of the gods

00:40:01.000 over time

00:40:01.540 that's the battle

00:40:02.460 of gods

00:40:02.880 that Mircea Eliade

00:40:03.960 talked about

00:40:04.540 and if you're interested

00:40:05.220 in that

00:40:05.580 you could read

00:40:06.140 A History of Religious Ideas

00:40:08.220 which I would really recommend

00:40:09.380 it's a three volume book

00:40:10.500 it's actually

00:40:12.120 quite a straightforward read

00:40:13.400 as far as these things go

00:40:14.720 and Eliade does a very nice job

00:40:16.640 of describing

00:40:17.680 how and even why

00:40:19.320 polytheism

00:40:20.480 tends towards monotheism

00:40:22.220 even in polytheistic cultures

00:40:23.700 there's a strong tendency

00:40:26.180 for the gods

00:40:26.880 to organize themselves

00:40:27.720 in a hierarchy

00:40:28.240 with one god at the top

00:40:29.600 in a monotheistic culture

00:40:31.380 in some sense

00:40:32.320 all the other gods

00:40:32.920 just disappear across time

00:40:34.180 and there's nothing left

00:40:34.880 but the top god

00:40:35.800 but even in a polytheistic society

00:40:37.960 there's a hierarchy

00:40:38.760 of power

00:40:39.320 among the gods

00:40:40.060 the first story

00:40:42.900 is newer

00:40:43.380 than the second one

00:40:44.380 so the story

00:40:44.940 I'm going to tell you today

00:40:45.780 is actually older

00:40:46.520 than the one

00:40:46.960 I already told you

00:40:47.680 even though

00:40:48.160 their order was flipped

00:40:50.200 by the redactor

00:40:51.540 who's the hypothetical person

00:40:53.040 or persons

00:40:53.580 who edited these stories together

00:40:55.120 and we don't know

00:40:56.040 exactly why

00:40:56.720 he or the committee

00:40:57.700 or what I suspect

00:40:58.620 it was a single person

00:40:59.660 but who knows

00:41:00.260 we don't know why

00:41:01.680 the stories were edited together

00:41:03.820 in the order

00:41:05.280 that they were edited together

00:41:06.740 but we could infer

00:41:08.320 I mean

00:41:09.160 they were edited together

00:41:10.440 in that order

00:41:10.980 because the editor thought

00:41:12.040 they made sense that way

00:41:13.580 because that's what

00:41:14.220 an editor does

00:41:14.980 right

00:41:15.180 an editor tends to take

00:41:16.380 diverse ideas

00:41:17.780 and then to organize them

00:41:19.100 in some manner

00:41:19.760 that makes sense

00:41:20.920 and part of the manner

00:41:22.100 that makes sense

00:41:22.820 is that you can tell them

00:41:24.040 to people

00:41:24.540 and the people stay interested

00:41:25.920 and you can tell them

00:41:27.080 to people

00:41:27.420 and people remember them

00:41:29.200 that's one of the ways

00:41:30.880 you can tell

00:41:31.300 if you've got an argument right

00:41:32.580 because it's communicable

00:41:34.200 and understandable

00:41:34.880 and memorable

00:41:35.500 and so

00:41:36.600 this person was

00:41:38.420 let's say

00:41:39.500 motivated by intuition

00:41:41.080 to organize the stories

00:41:42.200 in this particular manner

00:41:43.240 so the second

00:41:45.300 the Yahwist strand

00:41:47.680 contains the stories

00:41:50.140 the classic stories

00:41:51.240 in the Pentateuch

00:41:51.980 that's five books

00:41:52.960 Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus

00:41:54.360 Numbers and Deuteronomy

00:41:55.460 which we'll try to get through

00:41:57.380 perhaps

00:41:57.920 in these twelve lectures

00:41:59.300 we'll see how that goes

00:42:00.580 it's strongly anthropomorphic

00:42:02.300 so the God

00:42:03.160 in the Yahwist account

00:42:04.020 is for all intents and purposes

00:42:05.520 a sort of meta person

00:42:06.960 and I dealt with that

00:42:09.340 a little bit last week

00:42:10.180 because people

00:42:10.800 tend to

00:42:11.760 you know

00:42:12.520 think of that

00:42:13.140 as unsophisticated

00:42:14.060 but

00:42:14.260 when you think

00:42:15.160 that the mind

00:42:16.580 the ground of consciousness

00:42:19.300 is the most complex thing

00:42:21.140 that we know of

00:42:21.960 then it's not so unsophisticated

00:42:24.260 to assume

00:42:24.740 that the most complex thing

00:42:26.060 that there might be

00:42:26.980 is like that

00:42:27.740 or at least

00:42:28.260 it's as good as we can do

00:42:29.220 with our imaginations

00:42:30.160 and so

00:42:30.540 I don't think it's so

00:42:32.060 it's so

00:42:33.840 it's so unsophisticated

00:42:36.560 it's also the case

00:42:37.720 and this is practically speaking

00:42:39.820 is that it is not at all

00:42:40.960 unreasonable

00:42:41.460 to think of

00:42:42.460 God the Father

00:42:43.640 as the spirit

00:42:45.480 that arises from the crowd

00:42:46.980 that exists into the future

00:42:48.500 right

00:42:49.200 and that's

00:42:49.580 we talked about that

00:42:50.320 in relationship to the idea

00:42:51.380 of sacrifice

00:42:52.080 at least a little bit

00:42:52.960 or we're going to

00:42:54.300 you make sacrifices

00:42:56.080 in the present

00:42:56.720 so that the future

00:42:57.560 is happy with you

00:42:58.520 and the question is

00:42:59.820 what is that future

00:43:01.020 that would be happy with you

00:43:02.480 and the answer to that is

00:43:03.880 it's the spirit of humanity

00:43:06.080 that's who you're negotiating with

00:43:07.960 because you make the assumption

00:43:08.980 that if you forego

00:43:11.000 impulsive pleasure

00:43:11.900 and get your medical degree

00:43:13.300 that when you're done

00:43:14.780 in 10 years

00:43:15.580 and you're a physician

00:43:16.540 humanity as such

00:43:19.380 will honour your sacrifice

00:43:21.160 and commitment

00:43:21.840 and open the doors to you

00:43:23.340 right

00:43:23.860 so you're treating the future

00:43:25.260 as if it's a single being

00:43:26.680 and you're also treating it

00:43:27.840 as if it's a

00:43:28.460 something like a compassionate judge

00:43:30.800 you're acting that out

00:43:32.240 and maybe we had to imagine

00:43:33.920 God in that form

00:43:35.480 before we could

00:43:36.540 understand

00:43:37.720 once we started to understand

00:43:39.460 that there was a future

00:43:40.680 perhaps we had to imagine

00:43:41.840 God in that form

00:43:42.860 in order to concretize

00:43:44.400 something

00:43:44.820 that we could bargain with

00:43:46.180 so that we could figure out

00:43:46.960 how to use sacrifice

00:43:47.960 to figure out

00:43:48.520 how to guide ourselves

00:43:49.420 into the future

00:43:50.180 because a sacrifice

00:43:51.360 is a contract

00:43:52.000 with the future

00:43:52.760 but it's not a contract

00:43:54.040 with any particular person

00:43:55.200 it's a contract

00:43:56.420 with the spirit of humanity

00:43:57.900 as such

00:43:58.740 it's something like that

00:43:59.920 and so when you think

00:44:01.060 about it that way

00:44:01.740 that should make you faint

00:44:03.400 with amazement

00:44:04.340 because that is such a bloody

00:44:05.580 amazing idea

00:44:06.400 to come up with that idea

00:44:07.620 that you can bargain

00:44:08.620 with the future

00:44:09.380 that is some idea man

00:44:11.180 that's like the major idea

00:44:13.420 of humankind

00:44:14.740 we suffer

00:44:16.000 what do we do about it

00:44:17.060 we figure out how to bargain

00:44:18.160 with the future

00:44:18.800 and we minimize suffering

00:44:20.640 in that manner

00:44:21.440 it's like no other animal

00:44:22.800 does that either

00:44:23.500 you know like lions

00:44:24.380 they just eat everything

00:44:25.260 I think a wolf can eat

00:44:26.660 40 pounds of meat

00:44:27.640 in a single sitting

00:44:28.560 right

00:44:29.320 it's like there's some meat

00:44:30.240 eat it

00:44:30.660 it's not like

00:44:31.520 save some mammoth

00:44:32.560 for tomorrow

00:44:33.180 that's a

00:44:34.880 that's not a wolf thing man

00:44:37.080 that's a human thing

00:44:38.300 and that might mean

00:44:38.920 you have to be hungry today

00:44:40.060 or maybe you're a farmer

00:44:41.360 you know

00:44:41.740 several thousand years ago

00:44:43.260 six thousand years ago

00:44:44.280 or so

00:44:44.560 when agriculture first got going

00:44:45.940 and you're starving to death

00:44:47.000 waiting for the spring planting

00:44:48.920 and you think

00:44:49.400 we bloody well

00:44:50.220 better not eat those seeds

00:44:51.460 right

00:44:52.580 and that's really something

00:44:53.620 to be able to control yourself

00:44:55.100 to make the future real

00:44:56.760 to put off

00:44:57.980 what you could use today

00:44:59.380 and not just in some

00:45:00.220 impulsive manner

00:45:00.980 man

00:45:01.220 maybe your kids

00:45:01.940 are starving to death

00:45:02.860 you think

00:45:03.200 we are not touching

00:45:04.500 the seeds that we need

00:45:05.980 for the future

00:45:06.760 and for human beings

00:45:08.260 to have discovered that

00:45:09.140 and then to also have figured out

00:45:10.460 that we could bargain

00:45:11.120 with the future

00:45:11.720 it's like man

00:45:12.520 that's something

00:45:13.460 and I think that that

00:45:14.600 I think that the stories

00:45:15.800 that are laid out in this book

00:45:16.860 actually describe

00:45:17.720 at least in part

00:45:18.500 the process by which that occurred

00:45:19.980 the always stories

00:45:22.960 begin with Genesis 2 4

00:45:24.540 this is the account

00:45:25.780 of the heavens and the earth

00:45:26.840 wind

00:45:27.100 so there's two real creation stories

00:45:28.860 at the beginning

00:45:29.460 the newer one

00:45:30.760 which is the first one

00:45:31.600 and the older one

00:45:32.300 which is the second one

00:45:33.280 and the older one

00:45:34.440 begins in chapter 2

00:45:35.480 and that's the story

00:45:36.460 that we're going to

00:45:37.140 that we are getting into now

00:45:38.740 Adam and Eve are in that

00:45:40.820 Cain and Abel

00:45:41.600 Noah

00:45:41.860 the Tower of Babel

00:45:42.940 in the Yahweh's strand

00:45:45.560 Exodus

00:45:45.980 numbers along

00:45:46.760 and there's some of the

00:45:47.840 priestly version in there too

00:45:48.840 as well as the Ten Commandments

00:45:50.080 there's some

00:45:51.940 lovely representations

00:45:53.660 of

00:45:54.260 of paradise

00:45:55.860 this is

00:45:57.420 Garden of Earthly Delights

00:46:00.940 what's his name

00:46:01.740 Bosch

00:46:04.500 yes

00:46:04.840 Hieronymus Bosch

00:46:05.740 yes

00:46:05.940 crazy

00:46:06.460 I mean

00:46:07.020 if you

00:46:07.540 how he didn't get burnt

00:46:10.040 at the stake

00:46:10.540 is absolutely beyond me

00:46:11.840 I mean

00:46:12.500 you know

00:46:13.400 some of you know

00:46:14.040 about Salvador Dali

00:46:15.020 I suppose most of you do

00:46:16.240 I mean

00:46:16.560 Dali's a piker

00:46:17.460 compared to Hieronymus Bosch

00:46:18.840 man

00:46:19.080 you could spend

00:46:20.000 because there's three pieces

00:46:22.060 of this particular painting

00:46:23.180 you could spend

00:46:25.120 a very

00:46:26.300 bizarre

00:46:28.200 and surreal

00:46:28.900 month

00:46:29.540 looking at that painting

00:46:30.720 I don't know what it was

00:46:31.900 with Bosch

00:46:32.460 but he was some

00:46:33.340 sort of creature

00:46:34.260 that only popped up once

00:46:35.780 and probably

00:46:36.340 for the best

00:46:37.560 and

00:46:39.200 so there's been

00:46:41.280 very many representations

00:46:42.520 of paradise

00:46:43.180 I mean

00:46:43.460 God only knows

00:46:44.160 what that is

00:46:44.840 it's like

00:46:45.760 I could probably guess

00:46:48.780 but I won't

00:46:49.440 and then look

00:46:51.480 I mean

00:46:51.720 that's

00:46:52.060 that's

00:46:52.480 that's the lion

00:46:53.440 lying down

00:46:54.000 with the lamb

00:46:54.560 right

00:46:54.780 so that's this idea

00:46:55.760 that's

00:46:56.180 that's maybe projected

00:46:57.200 back in time

00:46:57.920 that there was a time

00:46:58.880 or maybe will be a time

00:47:00.000 when

00:47:00.220 when the

00:47:01.040 horrors of life

00:47:02.720 are no longer necessary

00:47:04.120 for life itself

00:47:04.940 to exist

00:47:05.580 right

00:47:06.560 and the horrors of life

00:47:08.840 are of course

00:47:09.360 that everything eats

00:47:10.160 everything else

00:47:10.800 and that everything dies

00:47:11.840 and that everything's born

00:47:12.880 and that the whole bloody place

00:47:14.080 is a charnel house

00:47:14.960 and it's

00:47:15.420 it's a catastrophe

00:47:16.460 from beginning to end

00:47:17.540 and

00:47:17.700 this is

00:47:18.400 this is the vision

00:47:19.640 of it being

00:47:20.520 other than that

00:47:21.420 and you know

00:47:22.660 there's a strong idea

00:47:24.040 this was also

00:47:24.900 implicit in the alchemical ideas

00:47:27.060 and I think it's also

00:47:27.840 implicit in the scientific

00:47:29.120 revolution

00:47:30.520 that

00:47:30.960 human beings can

00:47:32.840 interact with reality

00:47:34.440 in such a way

00:47:35.120 so that the tragic

00:47:36.140 and evil elements

00:47:37.260 of it can be mitigated

00:47:38.460 and so that we can move

00:47:39.840 somewhat closer

00:47:40.580 to a state

00:47:41.160 that might be

00:47:41.860 characterized

00:47:42.540 well that's obviously

00:47:43.660 imagistic

00:47:44.220 but it might be characterized

00:47:45.300 by something like that

00:47:46.280 where we have the benefits

00:47:47.440 of actual existence

00:47:48.380 without all of the catastrophe

00:47:50.280 that seems to go along

00:47:51.260 with it

00:47:51.620 and Carl Jung

00:47:52.500 when he wrote about

00:47:53.220 the emergence of alchemy

00:47:54.740 or the emergence of science

00:47:56.100 from alchemy

00:47:56.660 he thought of science

00:47:57.900 as being motivated

00:47:58.580 by a dream

00:47:59.280 because for Jung

00:48:00.460 the dream was the

00:48:01.420 the dream was the

00:48:02.440 manifestation of the instincts

00:48:03.780 it was the boundary

00:48:04.660 between the instincts

00:48:05.520 and thinking

00:48:06.120 he said well

00:48:06.900 science is nested

00:48:07.940 inside a dream

00:48:08.640 and the dream is

00:48:09.920 that if we investigated

00:48:11.020 the structures of material reality

00:48:12.520 with sufficient attention

00:48:13.680 and truth

00:48:14.780 that we could then

00:48:15.820 learn enough about

00:48:16.700 material reality

00:48:17.520 to alleviate suffering

00:48:18.920 right

00:48:19.240 to produce the philosopher's stone

00:48:21.040 to make everybody wealthy

00:48:22.420 to make everybody healthy

00:48:23.580 to make everyone

00:48:24.320 live as long as they wanted to live

00:48:26.300 or perhaps forever

00:48:27.220 that that's the goal

00:48:28.200 to alleviate

00:48:28.900 the catastrophe of existence

00:48:30.980 and that that idea

00:48:32.100 the idea that mysteries

00:48:33.840 the solution to

00:48:35.680 the mysteries of life

00:48:37.180 that might enable us

00:48:38.140 to develop such a substance

00:48:39.600 or let's say

00:48:40.320 a multitude of substances

00:48:41.320 provided the motive force

00:48:43.160 for the development of science

00:48:44.660 and Jung traced that

00:48:46.220 the development of that

00:48:47.200 motive force

00:48:47.700 really over a thousand years

00:48:48.980 and if you're interested

00:48:50.280 in reading his books

00:48:51.060 on alchemy

00:48:51.540 which are extraordinarily difficult

00:48:52.940 and that's really saying

00:48:53.820 something about Jung

00:48:54.600 because all of his books

00:48:55.640 are difficult

00:48:56.120 and then the books on alchemy

00:48:57.580 they kind of take

00:48:58.580 a quantum leap

00:48:59.440 that's actually a very small leap

00:49:01.220 so I shouldn't say that

00:49:02.160 they take a massive leap

00:49:03.880 into a whole different

00:49:05.160 dimension of complexity

00:49:06.220 but that's what he was

00:49:06.900 trying to get at

00:49:07.540 he went back into

00:49:08.600 the alchemical texts

00:49:09.560 and interpreted them

00:49:10.880 as if they were the dream

00:49:12.040 on which science was founded

00:49:13.520 and Newton was an alchemist

00:49:14.980 by the way

00:49:15.400 I mean Jung's hypotheses

00:49:17.200 are certainly well supported

00:49:19.940 by the historical facts

00:49:21.180 science did emerge

00:49:22.100 out of alchemy

00:49:22.720 the question is

00:49:23.820 what were the alchemists up to

00:49:25.100 and they were trying

00:49:25.740 to produce the philosopher's stone

00:49:27.020 and that was the universal

00:49:28.040 medicament for mankind's pathology

00:49:30.440 Jung felt that what had happened

00:49:32.060 was that you know

00:49:33.140 Christianity had promised that

00:49:34.660 the cessation of suffering

00:49:35.840 promised it for a thousand years

00:49:37.240 and yet suffering went on

00:49:38.620 unabated

00:49:39.080 and at the same time

00:49:41.060 Christianity had attempted

00:49:42.460 to really put emphasis

00:49:43.520 on spiritual development

00:49:44.800 let's say at the expense

00:49:46.200 of material development

00:49:47.460 right

00:49:48.140 thinking of material development

00:49:49.400 as something akin to a sin

00:49:50.760 trying to get a control

00:49:52.420 of impulsivity

00:49:53.240 and all the things

00:49:54.400 that went along

00:49:55.120 with a too embodied existence

00:49:56.920 there was a reason for it

00:49:58.580 but that

00:49:58.900 by about a thousand AD

00:50:01.140 the European mind

00:50:03.100 somewhat educated

00:50:04.580 by that point

00:50:05.360 somewhat able to concentrate

00:50:06.880 on a single point

00:50:07.840 perhaps because of

00:50:08.960 a very long history

00:50:10.460 of intense religious training

00:50:11.820 turned its dream

00:50:13.920 to the unexplored material world

00:50:16.600 and thought

00:50:16.980 well you know

00:50:17.680 the spiritual redemption

00:50:19.220 that we've been seeking

00:50:20.060 didn't appear to produce

00:50:21.340 the result that was promised

00:50:22.600 or intended

00:50:23.200 and so maybe

00:50:23.900 there's another place

00:50:25.340 that we should look

00:50:26.320 and that was in the damned

00:50:27.640 material world

00:50:29.080 right

00:50:29.440 which was supposed to be

00:50:31.380 at least according to

00:50:32.300 some elements of classic thinking

00:50:34.000 nothing but the creation

00:50:35.220 of the devil

00:50:35.780 so but the point I'm making

00:50:38.140 is that you know

00:50:39.140 it's very difficult

00:50:40.640 to underestimate

00:50:41.320 the amount of human motivation

00:50:43.180 that's embedded

00:50:44.040 in the attempt

00:50:45.720 to alleviate suffering

00:50:47.560 to eradicate disease

00:50:49.120 to help people live

00:50:50.620 a healthy life

00:50:52.640 and well that's the disease

00:50:54.420 obviously

00:50:54.900 but to live a long life

00:50:56.200 as well

00:50:56.600 and to make things

00:50:57.320 as peaceful as possible

00:50:58.340 I mean you can be cynical

00:50:59.340 about people

00:50:59.940 and you can talk about them

00:51:01.080 as motivated by power

00:51:02.180 and being corrupt

00:51:03.140 and all of those things

00:51:03.960 and all of those things

00:51:04.660 are true

00:51:05.040 but you shouldn't throw away

00:51:06.340 the baby with the bath water

00:51:07.440 because we have been striving

00:51:08.980 for a very long time

00:51:10.020 to set things right

00:51:10.880 and we've done actually

00:51:11.780 not too bad a job of it

00:51:13.320 for half-starving

00:51:15.140 crazy insect-ridden chimpanzees

00:51:17.860 with lifespans

00:51:18.640 of 50 to 70 years

00:51:20.100 so you know

00:51:21.600 we could deserve

00:51:22.240 a bit of sympathy

00:51:23.040 for our position

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00:54:17.240 some other representations

00:54:23.040 this one I like

00:54:24.400 the one on the left

00:54:25.200 that's paradise

00:54:26.380 paradise has a walled garden

00:54:27.880 and that's what

00:54:28.360 paradise means

00:54:29.080 it's paradeza

00:54:30.000 which is

00:54:30.700 I don't remember

00:54:31.520 the language

00:54:31.980 it's associated

00:54:34.720 with Persian

00:54:35.600 paradeza means

00:54:36.840 walled garden

00:54:37.580 and why a walled garden

00:54:39.320 well it goes back

00:54:40.220 to the chaos order idea

00:54:41.500 so this is where

00:54:42.220 God puts man and woman

00:54:43.500 after the creation

00:54:44.640 in a walled garden

00:54:45.500 well the wall is

00:54:46.680 culture and order

00:54:47.920 and the garden is nature

00:54:48.980 and the idea is

00:54:49.700 the proper human habitat

00:54:51.040 is nature and culture

00:54:52.440 in balance

00:54:53.080 it's well we like gardens

00:54:54.260 well why

00:54:54.840 because

00:54:55.220 well they're not

00:54:56.060 completely covered with weeds

00:54:57.180 and mosquitoes

00:54:57.780 and black flies

00:54:58.800 right

00:54:59.180 so they're civilized

00:55:00.720 a little bit

00:55:01.200 but still within that

00:55:02.480 civilization

00:55:03.120 nature

00:55:03.920 in its more benevolent

00:55:05.860 guise

00:55:06.160 is encouraged to flourish

00:55:07.320 and people find that

00:55:08.260 rejuvenating

00:55:08.900 and so

00:55:09.240 the idea that

00:55:10.340 paradise

00:55:10.960 the proper habitat

00:55:12.060 of a human being

00:55:13.020 is a walled garden

00:55:14.120 is a good one

00:55:14.660 and it's walled

00:55:15.600 because

00:55:15.880 well you want to

00:55:16.760 keep things out

00:55:17.500 right

00:55:17.760 I mean raccoons

00:55:18.600 for example

00:55:19.160 you want to keep

00:55:19.900 those things out

00:55:20.580 man

00:55:20.800 even though it's impossible

00:55:21.740 and you know

00:55:22.800 you don't want

00:55:24.360 well there's all sorts

00:55:25.560 of things you don't want

00:55:26.300 in your garden

00:55:26.760 like snakes

00:55:27.340 walls don't seem

00:55:28.620 to be much use

00:55:29.260 against them

00:55:29.740 but the idea

00:55:30.960 that paradise

00:55:32.440 is a walled garden

00:55:33.480 is

00:55:34.820 an echo

00:55:37.980 back to the chaos order

00:55:39.200 idea

00:55:39.840 walls

00:55:40.660 culture

00:55:41.200 right

00:55:41.760 garden

00:55:42.300 nature

00:55:42.740 so

00:55:43.400 the proper

00:55:44.180 human

00:55:44.860 habitat

00:55:45.760 is a properly

00:55:46.800 tended garden

00:55:47.520 now

00:55:48.020 the

00:55:48.780 radical

00:55:49.500 left

00:55:50.040 leaning

00:55:50.640 anti-theist

00:55:53.080 environmentalists

00:55:54.180 tend to make the case

00:55:56.200 that

00:55:56.560 the

00:55:58.420 predations

00:55:59.180 of the western

00:55:59.960 capitalist system

00:56:01.100 are a consequence

00:56:02.400 of the injunction

00:56:03.340 that was delivered

00:56:04.140 in

00:56:05.020 genesis

00:56:06.120 by god

00:56:06.940 to man

00:56:07.480 to

00:56:08.300 go out

00:56:09.100 and dominate

00:56:09.680 the earth

00:56:10.220 david suzuki

00:56:11.760 has talked a lot

00:56:12.380 about this

00:56:12.840 by the way

00:56:13.400 they believe

00:56:15.300 that that

00:56:16.300 statement

00:56:17.280 has given rise

00:56:18.260 to our

00:56:18.840 inappropriate

00:56:19.800 assumption

00:56:21.800 that we have

00:56:22.800 the right

00:56:23.180 to exert

00:56:23.680 control

00:56:24.200 over the world

00:56:25.200 and that that's

00:56:26.140 what's turned us

00:56:26.900 into these

00:56:27.380 terrible

00:56:28.060 predatory

00:56:28.740 monsters

00:56:29.660 sometimes described

00:56:31.120 as cancers

00:56:32.080 on the face

00:56:32.780 of the earth

00:56:33.280 or viruses

00:56:34.300 that have inhabited

00:56:35.120 the entire ecosystem

00:56:36.160 who are doing

00:56:36.920 nothing but

00:56:37.360 wandering everywhere

00:56:38.680 and wreaking havoc

00:56:39.880 as rapidly

00:56:40.420 as we possibly

00:56:41.160 can

00:56:41.480 which is another

00:56:42.480 perspective on

00:56:43.840 the essential

00:56:45.340 element of humankind

00:56:47.100 that I find

00:56:47.720 absolutely

00:56:48.500 deplorable

00:56:49.780 I mean

00:56:50.900 if you look at the

00:56:51.900 historical record

00:56:52.660 for example

00:56:53.220 even casually

00:56:54.240 you'll find out

00:56:55.240 that as early as

00:56:56.020 as late as

00:56:56.980 the late 1800s

00:56:58.020 1895

00:56:58.700 thereabouts

00:56:59.240 Thomas Huxley

00:57:00.360 who was

00:57:00.680 eldest Huxley's

00:57:01.360 grandfather

00:57:01.780 and a great

00:57:02.280 defender of

00:57:02.880 Darwin

00:57:03.580 prepared a report

00:57:04.760 for the British

00:57:05.700 government

00:57:06.080 on ocean

00:57:07.480 sustainability

00:57:08.180 and his conclusion

00:57:09.800 was

00:57:10.200 fish away guys

00:57:12.220 man

00:57:12.480 there's so many

00:57:13.480 fish out there

00:57:14.220 the oceans are

00:57:15.080 so inexhaustible

00:57:15.960 that no matter

00:57:16.500 how hard humanity

00:57:17.540 tried for

00:57:18.200 any number of years

00:57:19.820 the probability

00:57:20.680 that we could do

00:57:21.360 more than put a

00:57:22.000 dent in what was

00:57:23.360 out there

00:57:23.720 was zero

00:57:24.360 now Huxley

00:57:25.740 turned out to be

00:57:26.380 wrong

00:57:26.900 he didn't realize

00:57:27.800 that our population

00:57:28.600 was going to spike

00:57:29.320 so dramatically

00:57:29.960 partly because

00:57:30.700 we got a little bit

00:57:32.040 rich and our

00:57:32.580 children stopped

00:57:33.300 dying at the rate

00:57:34.300 of like 60%

00:57:35.280 before they were

00:57:36.020 one years old

00:57:36.740 and you know

00:57:37.360 we actually managed

00:57:37.980 to populate

00:57:38.620 the earth

00:57:40.200 with a few people

00:57:40.940 but it wasn't

00:57:41.680 really until 1960

00:57:42.880 or so that we

00:57:43.620 woke up to the fact

00:57:44.400 that there were

00:57:44.720 so many of us

00:57:45.320 that we actually

00:57:45.820 had to start

00:57:46.300 paying attention

00:57:46.900 to what we were

00:57:47.960 doing to the planet

00:57:48.740 and that's like

00:57:49.360 what 50 years ago

00:57:50.760 well we've just

00:57:51.840 started to develop

00:57:53.000 the technology

00:57:54.260 the wherewithal

00:57:55.060 to understand that

00:57:56.020 the whole world

00:57:57.640 might be well

00:57:58.280 considered a garden

00:57:59.260 and we need to

00:58:00.100 live inside

00:58:00.760 the proper balance

00:58:02.280 between culture

00:58:03.040 and order

00:58:03.460 or culture

00:58:04.220 and chaos

00:58:06.020 before that

00:58:07.620 we were spending

00:58:08.180 all of our time

00:58:08.940 just trying not

00:58:10.340 to die

00:58:10.820 and usually

00:58:12.160 very unsuccessfully

00:58:13.320 so

00:58:14.340 so I don't agree

00:58:18.500 with that interpretation

00:58:19.320 of the opening

00:58:20.220 sections of Genesis

00:58:21.860 I don't believe

00:58:22.640 that it's given

00:58:23.560 human beings

00:58:24.200 the right to

00:58:25.260 act as super

00:58:26.400 predators

00:58:26.760 on the planet

00:58:27.320 I think that instead

00:58:28.220 the proper environment

00:58:29.780 for human beings

00:58:30.520 is presented

00:58:31.080 quite properly

00:58:31.880 as a garden

00:58:32.820 and that the role

00:58:34.380 of people

00:58:34.880 and that's explicitly

00:58:35.700 stated in the second story

00:58:37.460 in Adam and Eve

00:58:37.980 was to tend the garden

00:58:39.060 and that means

00:58:41.280 to make the proper decisions

00:58:42.560 and to make sure

00:58:43.340 that everything thrives

00:58:44.340 and flourishes

00:58:44.920 and so that it's

00:58:46.240 good for the things

00:58:47.260 that are living there

00:58:47.900 that aren't just people

00:58:48.800 but also good

00:58:49.440 for the people too

00:58:50.180 so fine

00:58:51.180 I think we can

00:58:51.820 at least note

00:58:53.380 that that's

00:58:54.000 a slightly different

00:58:55.860 take on the story

00:58:56.860 than the ultimately

00:58:58.560 cynical interpretation

00:58:59.760 that's so commonly

00:59:00.720 put forward today

00:59:01.660 now inside that

00:59:03.320 walled garden

00:59:05.100 is a couple of trees

00:59:06.720 and Adam and Eve

00:59:08.520 and some animals

00:59:09.300 and all of that

00:59:09.960 and unfortunately

00:59:10.980 the tree happens

00:59:11.780 to have a snake

00:59:12.360 wrapped around it

00:59:13.000 now that's an interesting thing

00:59:14.380 we're going to talk

00:59:14.940 about that a lot

00:59:15.640 and the snake

00:59:17.180 in both of these

00:59:17.940 representations

00:59:18.680 this is no ordinary snake

00:59:20.260 say it's got a human head

00:59:21.420 and it's got a human head

00:59:22.320 there too

00:59:22.720 so whatever that snake is

00:59:24.900 well forget about

00:59:26.580 looking at this

00:59:27.720 from a religious perspective

00:59:29.560 like if you can

00:59:30.440 just imagine that

00:59:31.160 you're an anthropologist

00:59:31.940 and you've never seen

00:59:32.640 this image before

00:59:33.460 it's like what do you see

00:59:34.660 well you see walls

00:59:36.180 and you see something

00:59:37.400 a fairly pleasant enclosure

00:59:38.860 and then you see a tree

00:59:40.400 and people are eating

00:59:41.220 from the tree

00:59:41.680 but the tree has a snake

00:59:42.720 in it that has a human head

00:59:43.860 and so then you might think

00:59:45.120 well what's a snake

00:59:47.200 with a human head

00:59:47.900 and then you'd think

00:59:48.520 well it's half snake

00:59:49.460 and half human

00:59:50.120 that's hardly revelatory

00:59:52.760 it's just self-evident

00:59:53.860 so whatever that snake is

00:59:55.100 isn't just a snake

00:59:56.000 it's snake and human

00:59:57.620 or it's snake

00:59:59.800 and partakes

01:00:00.520 in whatever human beings are

01:00:01.940 and that's very important

01:00:03.020 so we'll consider that later

01:00:04.600 and you see the same thing here

01:00:05.680 and you see

01:00:07.840 in this particular version

01:00:09.400 there's the head

01:00:10.980 this one also has wings

01:00:12.460 and so this is a wing snake

01:00:14.620 sort of like a dragon

01:00:15.520 and so it crawls on the ground

01:00:17.700 like a reptile

01:00:18.360 and it's got an aerial aspect

01:00:19.680 or a spiritual aspect

01:00:20.900 so here it's a snake

01:00:21.980 which is like the lowest form

01:00:23.220 of reptilian life

01:00:24.500 say something that crawls

01:00:25.660 on the ground

01:00:26.080 it's something that's human

01:00:27.200 and it's something that's spiritual

01:00:28.360 at the same time

01:00:29.140 and it inhabits the tree

01:00:30.720 which look a lot like magic mushrooms

01:00:32.700 by the way

01:00:33.240 and you can look that up

01:00:36.320 if you want

01:00:36.740 that's quite an interesting

01:00:37.620 little rabbit hole

01:00:38.300 to wander down

01:00:38.980 if you're curious about it

01:00:40.140 but there's an idea here too

01:00:42.820 is that there was something

01:00:43.760 in the garden

01:00:44.300 at the beginning of time

01:00:45.360 that was like a snake

01:00:46.620 that was like a person

01:00:47.580 that was like something

01:00:48.520 that was winged

01:00:49.440 it was something spiritual

01:00:50.800 so it's spiritual human

01:00:51.980 and reptilian

01:00:52.700 all at the same time

01:00:53.620 and it's the animating

01:00:55.120 spirit of the tree

01:00:56.960 okay so keep that in mind

01:00:59.000 thus the heavens

01:01:01.780 and the earth were finished

01:01:02.760 this is in relationship

01:01:03.660 to Genesis 1

01:01:04.520 and all the host of them

01:01:05.540 and on the seventh day

01:01:06.380 God ended his work

01:01:07.340 which he had made

01:01:08.260 and he rested on the seventh day

01:01:09.880 from all his work

01:01:10.480 which he had made

01:01:11.080 and God blessed the seventh day

01:01:12.700 and sanctified it

01:01:13.520 because that

01:01:14.020 in it he had rested

01:01:15.240 from all his work

01:01:16.020 which God created and made

01:01:17.380 that's wisdom in that one too

01:01:19.000 I think

01:01:19.380 the idea of the Sabbath

01:01:20.340 you know

01:01:20.700 because one of the things

01:01:21.960 I've worked with a lot of people

01:01:23.300 who were hyper conscientious

01:01:24.600 and the thing about

01:01:25.520 hyper conscientious people

01:01:26.660 is that they'll just work

01:01:28.000 till they die

01:01:28.620 and that's actually

01:01:29.660 not very productive

01:01:30.420 because then they're dead

01:01:31.360 and they can't work

01:01:32.200 and so what you have to do

01:01:33.780 with hyper conscientious people

01:01:35.000 is you have to say

01:01:35.680 well I know you'd rather

01:01:36.500 do nothing but work

01:01:37.360 and maybe you're just as guilty

01:01:38.460 as you can possibly be

01:01:39.520 when you're not working

01:01:40.360 but let's figure out

01:01:41.540 what you're up to

01:01:42.200 and what you're up to

01:01:43.040 in all probability

01:01:44.120 is the attempt to be productive

01:01:45.720 in the least problematic

01:01:47.600 longest sustaining

01:01:49.440 possible manner

01:01:50.520 and that might mean

01:01:51.740 you have to take a rest

01:01:52.640 and so one of the things

01:01:54.200 I used to work with lawyers

01:01:56.120 with people who

01:01:56.980 had risen to the top

01:01:58.380 of large law firms

01:01:59.260 and they were hyper productive types

01:02:00.640 and they're often

01:02:01.780 you know

01:02:02.180 trying to hit their impossible quota

01:02:03.820 for yearly hours

01:02:04.900 and burning themselves

01:02:07.240 to a frazzle

01:02:07.980 as a consequence

01:02:08.740 and one of the things

01:02:09.540 that we used to do

01:02:10.220 was they couldn't work

01:02:11.360 fewer hours

01:02:11.900 because a day

01:02:12.760 that just didn't work

01:02:13.500 but what we did

01:02:14.340 was we'd have them

01:02:14.940 take more time off

01:02:16.020 you know

01:02:16.340 like a four day weekend

01:02:17.720 every two months

01:02:18.400 or something

01:02:18.800 that was plotted out

01:02:19.980 into the future

01:02:20.680 and then we'd track

01:02:21.760 their billable hours

01:02:22.780 which is their degree

01:02:23.540 of productivity

01:02:24.100 it would actually increase

01:02:25.260 so that was so cool

01:02:26.280 because you could take

01:02:27.440 hardworking people

01:02:28.220 and you could say

01:02:28.780 look you know

01:02:29.340 take a break

01:02:30.640 why?

01:02:32.240 well because you'll be

01:02:33.340 more productive

01:02:34.080 if you take a break

01:02:35.040 no that couldn't possibly be

01:02:36.680 like I should just

01:02:37.300 work flat out all the time

01:02:38.380 it's like let's test that out

01:02:39.540 you take a break

01:02:40.180 now and then

01:02:40.680 it's like well

01:02:41.520 what happened was

01:02:42.160 their productivity

01:02:42.660 would increase often

01:02:43.520 by 10%

01:02:44.340 so there's wisdom

01:02:45.880 here too

01:02:46.400 which is okay

01:02:47.040 and this

01:02:48.340 alludes to the

01:02:50.780 Adam and Eve story

01:02:51.520 near the end

01:02:52.080 you're self-conscious

01:02:54.320 you discover the future

01:02:55.400 you have to work

01:02:56.180 well then the question is

01:02:57.900 how much should you work?

01:02:58.980 and one answer is

01:02:59.660 you better bloody well

01:03:00.740 work all the time

01:03:01.420 because no matter

01:03:01.880 how much work you do

01:03:02.820 you're not solving

01:03:03.720 your problems

01:03:04.340 they're coming along man

01:03:06.020 and you can stack up

01:03:07.200 all the money you want

01:03:07.940 you can stack up

01:03:08.560 all the wealth you want

01:03:09.300 it is not going to protect you

01:03:10.740 in the final analysis

01:03:11.540 so you better be

01:03:12.680 hitting the ground

01:03:13.200 running and you better

01:03:13.940 run flat out all the time

01:03:15.220 well what happens if you do that?

01:03:17.060 well then you die

01:03:17.980 that's not a good solution

01:03:20.000 so maybe you should rest

01:03:21.580 and so

01:03:22.280 how does that rest

01:03:23.440 get instantiated?

01:03:24.660 well

01:03:24.820 it's not easy to tell

01:03:26.760 but one way

01:03:27.560 to do it

01:03:28.460 let's say conceptually

01:03:29.800 is to say

01:03:30.200 look even God

01:03:31.060 had to rest

01:03:31.720 one day a week

01:03:32.480 and so

01:03:32.840 you don't have to be

01:03:33.900 so presumptuous

01:03:34.880 to assume that

01:03:35.960 if God had to rest

01:03:37.360 one day a week

01:03:37.980 that maybe

01:03:38.420 you know

01:03:38.900 you are allowed

01:03:40.760 to work

01:03:42.180 non-stop

01:03:43.480 without a break

01:03:44.920 at all

01:03:45.800 you know

01:03:46.820 and I think our culture

01:03:47.880 has slipped into that

01:03:49.020 in quite a dangerous way

01:03:50.540 because everything

01:03:51.100 is open all the time

01:03:52.060 and I mean

01:03:52.380 I find that

01:03:53.680 just as convenient

01:03:54.320 as the rest of you

01:03:55.100 but you know

01:03:56.140 it's so strange

01:03:57.640 to talk to modern people

01:03:58.580 because one of the things

01:03:59.420 they always tell you

01:04:00.280 we say

01:04:00.560 well how are you

01:04:01.140 and what do they always say?

01:04:02.320 they don't say good

01:04:03.080 they don't say bad

01:04:03.940 they say busy

01:04:04.800 it's like

01:04:05.540 yeah well

01:04:06.320 okay

01:04:07.980 this is where

01:04:10.200 Genesis 2 starts

01:04:12.200 and we finally got there

01:04:13.440 these are the generations

01:04:14.760 of the heavens

01:04:15.340 and of the earth

01:04:16.060 when they were created

01:04:17.960 in the day that

01:04:18.580 the Lord God

01:04:19.160 made the earth

01:04:19.900 and the heavens

01:04:20.360 and every plant

01:04:21.320 of the field

01:04:21.840 before it was in the earth

01:04:22.800 and every herb

01:04:23.380 of the field

01:04:23.820 before it grew

01:04:24.480 for the Lord God

01:04:25.560 had not caused it

01:04:26.460 to rain upon the earth

01:04:27.320 and there was not a man

01:04:28.660 to till the ground

01:04:29.800 but there went up

01:04:31.740 a mist from the earth

01:04:32.760 and watered

01:04:33.780 the whole face

01:04:34.340 of the ground

01:04:34.840 and the Lord God

01:04:36.300 formed man

01:04:37.040 of the dust

01:04:37.640 of the ground

01:04:38.120 and breathed

01:04:38.780 into his nostrils

01:04:39.560 the breath of life

01:04:40.380 and man became

01:04:41.400 a living soul

01:04:42.160 well you know

01:04:43.720 there's some archaic

01:04:44.420 thinking in there

01:04:45.040 the breath is life

01:04:46.060 right

01:04:46.340 that's psyche

01:04:47.000 that's spirit

01:04:47.680 that's inspiration

01:04:48.560 that's respiration

01:04:49.520 that's all associated

01:04:50.800 it's pneuma

01:04:51.840 like pneumatic tyre

01:04:52.960 it's breath

01:04:54.380 and the reason

01:04:55.600 that people associated

01:04:56.480 life with breath

01:04:57.360 well that's not so foolish

01:04:58.480 you know

01:04:58.840 I mean

01:04:59.180 you're breathing man

01:05:00.340 and it's something

01:05:01.020 you do all the time

01:05:01.840 and when you die

01:05:02.720 you stop breathing

01:05:03.540 and so the idea

01:05:04.300 that there's something

01:05:05.020 integral to life

01:05:06.540 about breathing

01:05:07.180 is a perfectly

01:05:07.800 reasonable supposition

01:05:08.880 it actually happens

01:05:09.680 to be very true

01:05:10.480 and then to associate

01:05:11.860 the act of creation

01:05:14.100 with the act of

01:05:15.300 first of all

01:05:16.560 inspiration

01:05:17.140 and respiration

01:05:17.980 and the breathing

01:05:19.320 of life

01:05:20.480 into something

01:05:21.040 that was inanimate

01:05:21.740 is

01:05:22.000 well what do you expect

01:05:23.580 for a one sentence description

01:05:24.720 it's not a bad

01:05:25.460 one sentence description

01:05:26.420 you know

01:05:26.920 so

01:05:27.660 and the Lord God

01:05:28.700 planted a garden

01:05:29.500 eastward in Eden

01:05:30.440 and Eden means

01:05:31.580 well watered place

01:05:32.720 and that's particularly

01:05:33.700 relevant I suppose

01:05:34.620 if you're a desert dweller

01:05:35.760 right

01:05:36.080 because the issue there

01:05:37.520 is can you get enough

01:05:38.320 water to make things grow

01:05:39.500 and so

01:05:40.320 the walled garden

01:05:42.340 which is paradise

01:05:43.020 is also Eden

01:05:43.880 which is a well watered place

01:05:45.240 and water has the element

01:05:46.640 of chaos

01:05:47.400 we already saw that

01:05:48.580 in relationship

01:05:49.240 to Genesis 1

01:05:50.220 where the underlying chaos

01:05:51.780 was often assimilated

01:05:53.180 symbolically to water

01:05:54.240 and so

01:05:55.100 the idea too

01:05:56.580 is that a certain amount

01:05:57.440 of chaos

01:05:57.900 has to be brought

01:05:58.640 into the order

01:05:59.220 in order for it

01:06:00.100 to be fruitful

01:06:00.600 and you can see that

01:06:01.460 in the form of

01:06:02.100 allowing in the water

01:06:03.880 and out of the ground

01:06:05.220 made the Lord God

01:06:06.060 to grow every tree

01:06:07.560 that is pleasant

01:06:08.160 to the sight

01:06:08.700 and good for food

01:06:09.480 the tree of life

01:06:10.860 also in the midst

01:06:11.760 of the garden

01:06:12.300 and the tree

01:06:13.180 of the knowledge

01:06:13.780 of good and evil

01:06:14.400 so two

01:06:15.240 trees are marked out

01:06:16.720 among the rest

01:06:17.480 one is the tree

01:06:18.380 of life

01:06:19.300 and one is the tree

01:06:20.080 of the knowledge

01:06:20.540 of good and evil

01:06:21.120 now

01:06:21.340 you know

01:06:22.200 when you read

01:06:23.640 something like that

01:06:24.320 if you're thinking about it

01:06:25.320 that you're in

01:06:25.840 a metaphorical space

01:06:27.100 now

01:06:27.800 we've got to be careful

01:06:28.800 about metaphors

01:06:29.600 because

01:06:29.980 you know

01:06:30.860 I could say

01:06:31.580 that the chaos order

01:06:33.520 idea is a metaphor

01:06:34.540 but then I also said

01:06:35.720 well wait a second

01:06:36.760 it's a metaphor

01:06:37.780 but it's also

01:06:38.460 what your brain

01:06:39.060 is adapted to

01:06:39.940 and so

01:06:40.360 you know

01:06:40.680 let's just not be pushing

01:06:41.900 the idea that it's merely

01:06:42.900 a metaphor too hard

01:06:43.960 and the same thing

01:06:45.600 is here

01:06:46.560 is happening here

01:06:47.640 these are metaphors

01:06:48.600 the tree of life

01:06:49.760 and the tree of the knowledge

01:06:51.600 of good and evil

01:06:52.220 but

01:06:52.920 that doesn't exactly mean

01:06:54.920 that they're mere metaphors

01:06:56.080 because sometimes

01:06:57.180 as I mentioned before

01:06:59.060 if you have a set of things

01:07:01.500 and you abstract out from them

01:07:03.020 a common element

01:07:03.920 you can make a strong case

01:07:05.420 that the common element

01:07:06.300 is more real

01:07:07.040 than the set of things

01:07:08.100 from which you abstracted it

01:07:09.340 that's the whole utility

01:07:10.640 of abstraction

01:07:11.240 why would you bother with it

01:07:12.400 otherwise

01:07:12.680 if you can't

01:07:13.360 take a set of things

01:07:14.560 and say look

01:07:15.080 there's something in common

01:07:15.980 across this set of things

01:07:17.060 that's more important

01:07:18.160 than the differences

01:07:18.880 between them

01:07:19.480 then you wouldn't bother

01:07:20.100 abstracting at all

01:07:21.100 and so the tree of life

01:07:22.560 and the tree of the knowledge

01:07:23.460 of good and evil

01:07:24.000 are abstractions

01:07:24.960 now

01:07:25.580 one of the questions is

01:07:27.400 this is a tough one

01:07:28.680 man

01:07:28.860 I've tried to figure out

01:07:29.980 for a long time

01:07:30.760 why

01:07:31.760 a fruit

01:07:32.960 and something you eat

01:07:34.220 would be associated

01:07:35.060 with the

01:07:35.660 transformation

01:07:36.360 of psychology

01:07:38.020 because that's basically

01:07:39.020 what happens

01:07:39.580 in the Adam and Eve story

01:07:40.420 why would it be something

01:07:41.260 that you eat

01:07:41.940 now Eric Neumann

01:07:43.200 who was one of Jung's students

01:07:44.440 had written a fair bit about this

01:07:46.020 and got a fair ways with it

01:07:47.200 he said

01:07:48.020 well you know

01:07:48.480 we do have noted

01:07:50.140 we've noticed forever

01:07:51.060 that the act of eating

01:07:52.400 especially if you're hungry

01:07:53.460 especially if you're starving

01:07:54.580 produces a rapid

01:07:55.620 spiritual transformation

01:07:56.760 right

01:07:57.240 I mean

01:07:57.460 some of you

01:07:58.660 this is worth knowing

01:07:59.580 you probably have

01:08:00.480 a crabby partner

01:08:01.540 or child

01:08:02.300 because everyone does

01:08:03.340 and one thing

01:08:04.640 you might try

01:08:05.240 is that

01:08:05.600 if they get erratic

01:08:07.000 during the day

01:08:08.080 and you know

01:08:08.620 get all

01:08:08.980 volatile

01:08:10.660 about nothing at all

01:08:11.720 just give them something

01:08:12.640 to eat

01:08:13.120 really

01:08:14.060 I'll tell you man

01:08:14.840 this solves

01:08:15.460 I do this with my clinical

01:08:16.540 clients all the time

01:08:17.440 it's like

01:08:18.100 they say

01:08:18.960 well I fly off the handle

01:08:19.880 at the littlest things

01:08:20.740 it's like

01:08:21.040 okay

01:08:21.320 yeah

01:08:21.680 just try this for a week

01:08:22.740 when you're crabby

01:08:23.640 and unreasonable

01:08:24.140 eat a piece of cheese

01:08:25.740 or eat a peanut butter sandwich

01:08:27.260 eat something that's

01:08:28.360 high protein

01:08:28.960 high fat

01:08:29.520 and then just wait 10 minutes

01:08:30.960 and see if you're sane

01:08:31.920 and you'll find out

01:08:33.220 that you're sane

01:08:34.120 after you eat

01:08:34.860 so often

01:08:36.000 that you just can't believe

01:08:37.540 how crazy you are

01:08:38.580 when you're hungry

01:08:39.160 look

01:08:40.440 here's

01:08:40.920 it's really

01:08:41.700 absolutely

01:08:42.620 bloody remarkable

01:08:43.660 so I'm telling you

01:08:44.540 try this

01:08:45.200 it'll

01:08:45.640 especially if you don't eat breakfast

01:08:47.960 this will change your life

01:08:49.880 and so

01:08:50.840 here's a practical bit

01:08:52.900 of information for you too

01:08:54.120 for all of you

01:08:54.740 anti-social types

01:08:56.260 who are going to end up in prison

01:08:57.480 so

01:08:58.220 if you're in prison

01:09:01.000 and you want to go on parole

01:09:03.200 okay

01:09:04.100 so you have to go in front of the judge

01:09:05.500 and tell them

01:09:05.920 why you're not going to do it again

01:09:07.040 so here's the deal

01:09:08.820 it doesn't really matter

01:09:10.120 what you did

01:09:10.900 and it doesn't really matter

01:09:12.140 what you promise

01:09:13.360 what matters is

01:09:14.360 whether you see the judge

01:09:15.620 before lunch

01:09:16.540 or after lunch

01:09:17.360 because if you see the judge

01:09:19.180 after lunch

01:09:19.840 the probability

01:09:20.460 that you'll get parole

01:09:21.500 is 60% higher

01:09:22.980 yeah right

01:09:24.300 that is just

01:09:25.480 like

01:09:25.880 so never have an argument

01:09:27.860 with your partner

01:09:29.020 when you're hungry

01:09:29.940 or when they're hungry

01:09:30.680 especially if you want something

01:09:31.900 from them

01:09:32.580 it's like

01:09:32.940 here's a sandwich

01:09:34.040 they'll eat it

01:09:34.900 then they'll be happy

01:09:35.480 then you can manipulate them

01:09:37.380 before

01:09:38.120 before that man

01:09:39.800 no

01:09:40.060 so you know

01:09:45.540 it's not that unreasonable

01:09:46.860 to think

01:09:47.360 that there's a spirit

01:09:48.400 in food

01:09:48.980 because food rejuvenates

01:09:50.600 and it just doesn't

01:09:51.260 rejuvenate you physically

01:09:52.200 it rejuvenates you spiritually

01:09:53.500 and then of course

01:09:54.160 there's the other things

01:09:55.360 that we consume

01:09:56.140 that aren't exactly like food

01:09:57.680 that have a walloping

01:09:58.880 spiritual impact

01:09:59.940 like alcohol

01:10:00.960 let's say

01:10:01.440 which is a spirit

01:10:02.300 and is regarded

01:10:03.400 it's Dionysius right

01:10:04.860 I mean

01:10:05.160 it's the god of the vine

01:10:06.360 and the god of the vine

01:10:07.440 possesses you

01:10:08.140 and makes you act

01:10:09.140 all the fun ways

01:10:09.860 that alcohol makes you act

01:10:11.040 you know

01:10:11.340 the fun ways

01:10:12.200 that you regret

01:10:12.740 the next day

01:10:13.440 and so there's

01:10:16.040 the spiritual element

01:10:16.920 of that too

01:10:17.580 and then

01:10:18.940 but there's something

01:10:19.880 even deeper

01:10:20.500 that I think is so cool

01:10:21.640 that's associated

01:10:22.360 with food and information

01:10:23.620 because

01:10:24.400 the story of Adam and Eve

01:10:26.520 represents

01:10:27.160 the fruit

01:10:28.360 as producing

01:10:29.660 a psychological transformation

01:10:30.880 and so

01:10:31.540 the tree

01:10:32.340 of the knowledge

01:10:33.260 of good and evil

01:10:33.900 is an abstraction

01:10:35.080 across trees

01:10:35.980 and it's trying to say

01:10:36.900 here's something

01:10:37.700 that's common

01:10:38.280 across trees

01:10:39.600 it's a fruit

01:10:40.620 that's common

01:10:41.160 across trees

01:10:41.900 it's something like that

01:10:43.360 and so

01:10:43.740 the fruit across

01:10:45.560 it's common

01:10:46.380 across trees

01:10:47.040 is something

01:10:47.380 you might call

01:10:47.940 food

01:10:48.440 fair enough

01:10:49.380 that's a generalization

01:10:50.320 but here's something

01:10:51.160 that's even more cool

01:10:52.060 the food that's

01:10:53.800 stable across

01:10:54.860 the entire domain

01:10:57.180 of food

01:10:57.680 isn't food

01:10:58.860 it's information

01:10:59.620 it's information

01:11:01.220 and we use

01:11:02.400 the same bloody circuits

01:11:03.480 in our brain

01:11:04.120 to forage for information

01:11:05.380 that squirrels use

01:11:06.140 to forage for food

01:11:06.980 that animals use

01:11:07.820 to forage for food

01:11:08.580 it's the same circuit

01:11:09.620 and why is that?

01:11:10.720 because we figured out

01:11:11.840 that knowing

01:11:12.300 where things is

01:11:13.380 knowing where the food is

01:11:14.680 is more important

01:11:15.320 than having the food

01:11:16.020 and so

01:11:16.980 knowing where the food is

01:11:18.900 is a form of

01:11:19.560 meta food

01:11:20.320 information is a form

01:11:21.680 of meta food

01:11:22.880 and once you

01:11:23.980 well that's why

01:11:24.680 we're information foragers

01:11:25.820 and so once you

01:11:26.820 grasp that

01:11:27.740 and that idea

01:11:28.960 is embedded

01:11:30.220 into the story

01:11:30.960 of Adam and Eve

01:11:31.600 so whatever it is

01:11:32.540 that they ingest

01:11:33.260 is a form of meta food

01:11:34.460 it's information

01:11:35.980 and you know

01:11:37.500 we'll trade food

01:11:38.280 for information

01:11:39.000 right?

01:11:39.300 so if you're

01:11:40.560 stuck on the edge

01:11:41.340 of the highway

01:11:41.760 and you know

01:11:42.600 your hood's up

01:11:44.080 and your going places

01:11:46.520 thing has turned

01:11:47.300 into a pile of junk

01:11:48.220 that you don't understand

01:11:49.200 and somebody pulls

01:11:50.700 up beside you

01:11:51.980 and they're a mechanic

01:11:52.620 and they point to something

01:11:53.920 and say

01:11:54.200 well just put that wire

01:11:54.980 back on there

01:11:55.460 you'll immediately

01:11:56.000 give them a sandwich

01:11:56.940 right?

01:11:57.780 or you'll offer them

01:11:58.780 something in return

01:11:59.960 you know what I mean?

01:12:00.760 because they've provided

01:12:01.520 you with information

01:12:02.320 that has value

01:12:03.140 and it has value

01:12:04.180 because it actually

01:12:04.840 provides you with energy

01:12:05.900 because information

01:12:06.660 provides you with energy

01:12:07.680 because otherwise

01:12:08.260 why would we bother

01:12:09.120 with it?

01:12:10.080 and so food

01:12:10.540 provides energy

01:12:11.220 but so does information

01:12:12.320 and so there's the

01:12:14.280 there's the idea

01:12:15.060 of food

01:12:15.540 that you abstract

01:12:16.200 from everything

01:12:16.880 you can eat

01:12:17.480 but then there's

01:12:18.060 the idea

01:12:18.500 of what you could

01:12:19.160 abstract from

01:12:19.980 all sources of food

01:12:21.160 and the answer

01:12:21.680 to that would be

01:12:22.240 information

01:12:22.760 and the trees

01:12:24.000 that are being

01:12:24.700 referred to

01:12:25.260 in Adam and Eve

01:12:25.880 are these meta trees

01:12:27.140 they're not

01:12:27.880 ordinary trees

01:12:29.300 just like paradise

01:12:30.200 is no ordinary place

01:12:31.420 just like Adam and Eve

01:12:32.380 are no ordinary people

01:12:33.600 and just like the logos

01:12:35.020 that God is using

01:12:36.140 at the beginning of time

01:12:37.000 is no ordinary conception

01:12:38.340 and these aren't

01:12:39.920 they're not metaphors

01:12:41.020 they're more than metaphors

01:12:42.220 they're

01:12:42.480 I think of them

01:12:43.340 as hyper realities

01:12:44.420 it's something like that

01:12:45.560 is they're more real

01:12:46.640 than what you see

01:12:47.360 they're more real

01:12:48.040 than the reality

01:12:48.640 that presents itself to you

01:12:49.840 and lots of things

01:12:50.720 are like that

01:12:51.300 right?

01:12:51.660 numbers are like that

01:12:52.680 we wouldn't think

01:12:53.920 or abstract

01:12:54.420 if there weren't things

01:12:55.600 that were more real

01:12:56.460 than what we can see

01:12:57.760 so what's most real?

01:13:00.780 well that's partly

01:13:01.340 what we're trying

01:13:01.840 to figure out

01:13:02.420 and out of the ground

01:13:03.720 made the Lord God

01:13:04.720 to grow every tree

01:13:05.440 that is pleasant

01:13:05.980 to the sight

01:13:06.500 and good for food

01:13:07.640 the tree of life

01:13:09.140 also in the midst

01:13:10.020 of the garden

01:13:10.540 and the tree of knowledge

01:13:12.140 of good and evil

01:13:12.720 and a river went out

01:13:13.560 of Eden

01:13:13.860 to water the garden

01:13:14.700 and from thence

01:13:15.260 it was parted

01:13:15.840 and became into four heads

01:13:16.980 that's produced

01:13:18.500 a tremendous amount

01:13:19.280 of speculation

01:13:19.820 now you know

01:13:21.160 the garden of Eden

01:13:22.280 is also the holy city

01:13:23.520 that's another way

01:13:24.380 of thinking about it

01:13:25.020 or it's Jerusalem

01:13:25.800 right?

01:13:26.460 or it's the ideal state

01:13:27.660 which could be

01:13:28.320 the ideal city

01:13:29.020 or it could be

01:13:29.400 an ideal state of being

01:13:30.520 or it could be

01:13:30.960 the ideal psyche

01:13:31.800 or it's all of those things

01:13:33.120 stacked up at the same time

01:13:34.440 right?

01:13:35.020 and this is a Mandela

01:13:35.880 and this is the Mandela form

01:13:37.340 that people

01:13:38.160 what would you call

01:13:39.520 hypothesized

01:13:40.620 that constituted

01:13:41.700 the structure

01:13:42.340 of paradise

01:13:43.260 you notice it's got

01:13:43.920 this cross form

01:13:45.120 that's Eden itself

01:13:46.820 and there's the

01:13:47.400 the center of Eden

01:13:48.360 and there's the rivers

01:13:49.200 those are rivers

01:13:50.000 not snakes

01:13:50.600 those are the rivers

01:13:51.280 that go out of it

01:13:51.980 and they're turned into

01:13:52.960 these Mandela images

01:13:54.040 that are representative

01:13:54.980 of what Jung described

01:13:56.080 as the self

01:13:56.780 which would be

01:13:57.300 the center element

01:13:58.500 of being

01:13:58.980 that he associated

01:13:59.800 of conscious being

01:14:00.720 that he associated

01:14:01.500 with divinity

01:14:02.220 I would say

01:14:02.800 but also with the idea

01:14:04.360 of the holy city

01:14:05.140 and so

01:14:05.660 I'm just showing you

01:14:07.860 that to show you

01:14:08.520 where the imagination

01:14:09.400 has taken

01:14:10.080 ideas of paradise

01:14:11.020 so

01:14:11.960 the name of the first river

01:14:15.260 is Pison

01:14:15.860 that is which

01:14:17.060 compasseth the whole land

01:14:18.560 of Havilla

01:14:18.960 where there is gold

01:14:19.700 and the gold of that land

01:14:20.700 is good

01:14:21.100 there's Bdellium

01:14:22.180 and the Onyx Stone

01:14:23.000 and the name of the second river

01:14:24.420 is Gihon

01:14:25.040 the same is it

01:14:25.760 that compasseth

01:14:26.420 the whole land

01:14:26.920 of Ethiopia

01:14:27.460 and the name of the third river

01:14:28.860 is Hedekal

01:14:29.520 or Hedekal

01:14:30.760 I don't know

01:14:31.400 that is

01:14:32.160 it which goeth

01:14:33.080 towards the east of Assyria

01:14:34.220 and the fourth river

01:14:34.960 is the Euphrates

01:14:35.640 so there's this strange

01:14:37.480 intermingling there

01:14:38.580 of geography

01:14:39.340 with mythical geography

01:14:41.100 right

01:14:41.520 which you see

01:14:42.080 happen fairly frequently

01:14:43.120 in the books

01:14:43.660 and the Lord God

01:14:45.000 took the man

01:14:45.600 and put him

01:14:46.600 in the garden of Eden

01:14:47.380 to dress it

01:14:48.600 and keep it

01:14:49.220 okay

01:14:49.680 so that's

01:14:50.140 that's a good

01:14:50.660 that's a good command

01:14:51.740 that's what you're supposed

01:14:52.420 to do

01:14:52.760 is take care

01:14:53.600 of the damn thing

01:14:54.340 it was a lot of work

01:14:55.360 to make

01:14:55.760 right

01:14:56.000 took a whole week

01:14:56.780 and the Lord God

01:15:01.320 commanded the man

01:15:02.100 saying

01:15:02.480 of every tree

01:15:03.340 of the garden

01:15:03.940 thou mayest

01:15:04.780 freely eat

01:15:05.480 but of the tree

01:15:06.920 of the knowledge

01:15:07.400 of good and evil

01:15:08.080 thou shalt not

01:15:09.160 eat of it

01:15:09.660 for in the day

01:15:10.420 that thou eatest

01:15:11.440 thereof

01:15:11.820 thou shalt

01:15:12.400 surely die

01:15:13.420 well there's

01:15:14.920 this bunch

01:15:15.280 of questions

01:15:15.820 there

01:15:16.080 that people

01:15:16.880 have been

01:15:17.260 puzzling

01:15:18.360 their

01:15:18.560 puzzling over

01:15:19.940 for a long time

01:15:20.760 God

01:15:21.460 he's a tricky

01:15:22.580 character

01:15:22.980 in the story

01:15:23.780 of Adam and Eve

01:15:24.360 it's like

01:15:24.800 okay

01:15:25.340 if we can't

01:15:25.860 eat the damn thing

01:15:26.540 well why put it

01:15:27.220 in the garden

01:15:27.540 to begin with

01:15:28.080 that would be

01:15:28.580 one question

01:15:29.220 and you made us

01:15:31.720 and then you told us

01:15:32.420 not to eat this

01:15:33.040 knowing perfectly well

01:15:33.920 that the first thing

01:15:34.540 we were going to do

01:15:35.140 is eat it

01:15:35.580 because people

01:15:36.520 are of exactly

01:15:37.200 that type

01:15:38.180 which is that

01:15:38.860 if you say to them

01:15:39.800 with their insatiable

01:15:40.680 curiosity

01:15:42.040 this is all fine

01:15:43.480 and nice

01:15:44.380 but over here

01:15:44.980 is something

01:15:45.300 you should never

01:15:45.900 look at

01:15:46.420 and then you leave

01:15:46.960 the room

01:15:47.300 it's like everybody

01:15:47.940 is over there

01:15:48.440 trying to figure out

01:15:49.060 what the hell

01:15:49.400 that thing is

01:15:49.980 instantly

01:15:50.900 right

01:15:51.260 because we're

01:15:52.080 curious

01:15:52.640 curious

01:15:53.200 curious

01:15:53.680 creatures

01:15:54.700 and so you have

01:15:55.700 to wonder

01:15:56.020 exactly what God

01:15:56.840 was up to here

01:15:57.620 and there's

01:15:58.260 Gnostic speculation

01:15:59.240 that the original God

01:16:01.160 this one

01:16:01.600 was not really

01:16:02.220 a very good God

01:16:03.040 he was kind of

01:16:03.540 an unconscious

01:16:04.100 evil God

01:16:05.080 and that he

01:16:05.560 wanted his creation

01:16:06.640 to be unconscious

01:16:07.460 and so forbade them

01:16:08.880 from developing consciousness

01:16:09.960 and that it was

01:16:10.500 a higher God

01:16:11.220 who

01:16:11.440 and maybe in the form

01:16:12.860 of the serpent

01:16:13.380 who tempted human beings

01:16:14.580 towards consciousness

01:16:15.520 and you know

01:16:16.560 that idea got scrubbed

01:16:18.160 out of classic Christianity

01:16:19.120 pretty early

01:16:19.880 although there's something

01:16:20.680 that's interesting

01:16:21.320 about it

01:16:21.760 and there are

01:16:22.440 remnants of it

01:16:23.360 in different forms

01:16:24.380 that stayed

01:16:24.960 inside the story

01:16:26.080 like the idea

01:16:28.300 that the fall

01:16:29.040 was

01:16:29.420 you know

01:16:30.640 a terrible tragedy

01:16:31.640 but

01:16:31.940 on the other hand

01:16:33.400 it was the precondition

01:16:34.780 for the greatest event

01:16:35.760 in history

01:16:36.260 which was the

01:16:37.000 birth of Christ

01:16:37.960 and the redemption

01:16:38.600 of mankind

01:16:39.140 and so

01:16:39.780 it's complicated

01:16:41.540 let's put it that way

01:16:42.500 God only knows

01:16:43.220 what God was up to

01:16:44.080 but

01:16:44.320 you know

01:16:45.480 this is a good example

01:16:47.100 of that ambivalence

01:16:48.060 and to me again

01:16:49.040 it's an indication

01:16:49.980 of the sophistication

01:16:51.120 of the people

01:16:51.580 who put these stories together

01:16:52.660 I also consider this

01:16:53.960 somewhat miraculous

01:16:54.840 because you know

01:16:55.500 if you were just

01:16:56.240 a simple propagandist

01:16:57.540 of sorts

01:16:58.140 you wouldn't leave

01:16:58.900 this sort of complexity

01:16:59.720 in the text

01:17:00.460 you just get rid of that

01:17:01.720 because if you're a propagandist

01:17:03.320 everything is supposed

01:17:04.120 to make sense

01:17:04.680 along the ideological plane

01:17:06.180 and here God's supposed

01:17:07.220 to be good

01:17:07.800 it's like well

01:17:08.400 we better get there

01:17:09.000 to that line

01:17:09.760 because something's up

01:17:11.400 with it

01:17:11.740 and it isn't obvious

01:17:12.560 what it is

01:17:13.020 but that isn't

01:17:13.560 what people did

01:17:14.240 and to me

01:17:15.020 that indicates

01:17:15.660 that they were doing

01:17:16.660 two things

01:17:17.200 is they were trying

01:17:18.020 not to

01:17:19.320 be too

01:17:20.620 careless

01:17:21.960 with the traditions

01:17:23.020 that they were handed

01:17:23.800 they

01:17:24.440 they were

01:17:25.320 they were touching them

01:17:26.760 at their peril

01:17:27.460 they were very careful

01:17:28.300 with them

01:17:28.620 and also that they were

01:17:29.420 actually trying to understand

01:17:30.360 what was going on

01:17:31.120 because why otherwise

01:17:32.160 keep this

01:17:32.720 why not just simplify it

01:17:33.840 or maybe

01:17:35.360 just attribute this

01:17:36.280 to the devil

01:17:36.860 that would be easier

01:17:37.720 than having God do it

01:17:39.560 but

01:17:39.920 and the Lord God said

01:17:41.980 it is not good

01:17:42.960 that man should be alone

01:17:43.880 I will make

01:17:44.520 a helpmeet for him

01:17:45.660 and out of the ground

01:17:46.820 the Lord God

01:17:47.440 formed every beast

01:17:48.140 of the field

01:17:48.580 and every fowl of the air

01:17:49.520 and brought them

01:17:50.300 unto Adam

01:17:50.820 to see what he would

01:17:51.740 call them

01:17:52.180 and whatsoever Adam

01:17:53.600 called every living creature

01:17:54.640 that was the name thereof

01:17:55.720 and Adam gave names

01:17:57.340 to all the cattle

01:17:58.000 and the fowl

01:17:58.440 cattle means animals

01:17:59.460 basically

01:17:59.900 and to the fowl of the air

01:18:01.180 and to every beast

01:18:02.920 of the field

01:18:03.360 but for Adam

01:18:04.020 there was not found

01:18:04.740 a helpmeet for him

01:18:05.580 okay

01:18:06.160 well a couple of things

01:18:07.340 there

01:18:07.640 speculations

01:18:09.020 number one

01:18:10.080 it's like

01:18:10.560 why does God care

01:18:11.640 what Adam calls

01:18:12.420 the animals

01:18:12.940 and the answer to that

01:18:14.460 seems to be

01:18:15.140 that it's associated

01:18:16.000 again with the magic

01:18:16.920 of speech

01:18:17.540 right

01:18:18.520 so that we know

01:18:19.440 according to the story

01:18:20.640 that human beings

01:18:21.300 were already made

01:18:22.440 in the image of God

01:18:23.300 and that God used language

01:18:24.360 in order to call

01:18:25.180 order forth from chaos

01:18:26.420 and that human beings

01:18:27.720 were made in that image

01:18:29.040 and so there's an echo

01:18:30.200 of that here

01:18:30.860 even though it's from

01:18:31.500 an independent tradition

01:18:32.420 and the echo is

01:18:33.120 the thing isn't quite real

01:18:34.580 till you name it

01:18:35.420 and that's quite

01:18:36.820 and that's an interesting thing

01:18:38.440 and we don't exactly know

01:18:39.720 how far that extends

01:18:41.340 it's certainly the case

01:18:42.400 that

01:18:42.700 like seem

01:18:44.600 things often exist

01:18:46.020 in a strange

01:18:47.040 potential form

01:18:48.520 interconnected form

01:18:49.580 where everything's confusing

01:18:50.720 like a massive confusion

01:18:52.080 before you put your finger

01:18:53.520 on it

01:18:53.800 name it

01:18:54.360 what's going on here

01:18:56.080 you name it

01:18:57.120 it's like

01:18:57.440 it carves it out

01:18:59.800 from all that underlying chaos

01:19:01.100 and makes it into

01:19:02.240 a grippable entity

01:19:03.720 that you can then

01:19:04.460 contend with

01:19:05.440 and you might say

01:19:06.300 well it was real

01:19:07.000 before you named it

01:19:08.080 it's like

01:19:08.440 well

01:19:08.960 yes

01:19:10.160 it was real

01:19:11.180 before you named it

01:19:12.760 the same way

01:19:13.480 things are there

01:19:14.440 when there's no one there

01:19:15.320 to perceive them

01:19:16.180 and it isn't obvious

01:19:18.080 how things are there

01:19:19.460 when you're not there

01:19:20.620 to perceive them

01:19:21.120 I'll tell you something

01:19:21.940 bloody weird about perception

01:19:23.280 you can look this up

01:19:24.240 and John Wheeler

01:19:24.940 John Wheeler's a physicist

01:19:26.140 so here's a really cool thing

01:19:27.660 let's say you go outside

01:19:29.060 at night

01:19:29.840 and you look up

01:19:30.480 and you see a star

01:19:31.360 and like

01:19:32.740 so a photon from that star

01:19:34.400 enters your eye

01:19:35.260 and maybe that photon

01:19:36.960 has been cruising along

01:19:38.000 for like 30 million years

01:19:39.540 do you know

01:19:40.840 that that photon

01:19:42.280 would not have been emitted

01:19:43.520 from that star

01:19:44.480 at that time

01:19:45.280 if your eye wasn't there

01:19:46.540 at that time

01:19:47.380 to receive it

01:19:48.120 you think

01:19:49.340 well how in the hell

01:19:49.920 can that be

01:19:50.360 because it happened

01:19:50.820 20 million years ago

01:19:51.700 it's like

01:19:51.980 well I don't know

01:19:52.940 how it can be

01:19:53.580 to tell you the truth

01:19:54.480 but I know

01:19:55.220 that John Wheeler

01:19:55.940 has done a very good job

01:19:57.280 of detailing out

01:19:58.100 why that's true

01:19:59.080 and necessarily true

01:20:00.440 and so

01:20:01.280 Wheeler is also

01:20:02.080 the physicist

01:20:02.620 who developed

01:20:03.600 the notion

01:20:04.060 of it from bit

01:20:05.200 and he believes

01:20:06.160 that the world

01:20:07.900 is best construed

01:20:09.200 as a

01:20:09.500 the potential of the world

01:20:11.160 is best construed

01:20:12.020 as a place of information

01:20:13.320 it's something like

01:20:13.980 latent information

01:20:14.780 and that what consciousness

01:20:16.140 does is transform

01:20:17.300 the latent information

01:20:18.900 into something

01:20:19.760 like concrete reality

01:20:21.320 and he doesn't mean

01:20:22.200 that metaphorically

01:20:23.240 and one of the cases

01:20:24.420 that he makes

01:20:25.100 in that regard

01:20:25.800 is this story

01:20:26.420 that I just told you

01:20:27.240 is that the photon

01:20:27.980 couldn't have leapt

01:20:28.820 from where it was

01:20:29.680 unless it had a place

01:20:30.980 to go

01:20:31.580 now it's

01:20:32.980 it's complicated

01:20:34.220 and confusing

01:20:34.880 because from the perspective

01:20:36.040 of a beam of light

01:20:37.380 from a photon

01:20:37.960 there is no time

01:20:38.860 and there's no distance

01:20:39.620 from one point to another

01:20:40.680 when of course

01:20:41.820 that's completely impossible

01:20:42.760 to understand too

01:20:43.540 but from the perspective

01:20:44.760 of a photon

01:20:45.400 the universe is completely flat

01:20:47.240 perpendicular to the direction

01:20:48.760 that the photon is traveling

01:20:49.960 so it's there and here

01:20:51.380 at the same time

01:20:52.280 for us it's not

01:20:53.680 it's like 20 million years ago

01:20:54.940 but for the photon

01:20:55.900 it's all here and now

01:20:57.220 so

01:20:57.720 anyways

01:20:58.980 the reason I'm telling you

01:21:00.120 all that is because

01:21:00.880 the relationship

01:21:01.820 between consciousness

01:21:02.800 and reality

01:21:03.540 is by no means

01:21:04.380 straightforward

01:21:04.940 it is seriously

01:21:06.000 not straightforward

01:21:07.600 and physicists

01:21:08.740 physicists debate

01:21:10.520 what the relationship

01:21:12.180 is between consciousness

01:21:13.240 and reality

01:21:13.860 and they debate

01:21:14.680 about what the sort

01:21:16.220 of phenomena

01:21:16.720 that I just described

01:21:17.620 mean

01:21:17.900 and I'm not really

01:21:18.640 qualified to enter

01:21:19.440 into that debate

01:21:20.160 because I'm not a physicist

01:21:21.160 but I do know

01:21:22.240 and I've read a fair bit

01:21:23.300 of Wheeler

01:21:23.640 about as much of it

01:21:24.500 as I can understand

01:21:25.340 and I do at least

01:21:26.480 know that that's

01:21:27.280 what he claimed

01:21:28.040 and I also know

01:21:29.220 that that claim

01:21:29.920 is not

01:21:30.740 that's a claim

01:21:32.060 that's taken seriously

01:21:32.960 among physicists

01:21:33.780 of the caliber

01:21:34.600 of the physicists

01:21:35.320 who can understand

01:21:36.160 Wheeler

01:21:36.480 so that's pretty

01:21:38.260 interesting

01:21:38.760 so anyways

01:21:39.380 there is emphasis

01:21:40.440 again on this

01:21:41.160 importance of naming

01:21:42.080 in order to make

01:21:42.840 things real

01:21:43.460 you know

01:21:44.040 and sometimes

01:21:45.420 people won't name

01:21:46.320 things just so

01:21:47.040 they don't become

01:21:47.980 real

01:21:48.360 so you know

01:21:49.660 if you have a

01:21:51.160 relationship

01:21:51.560 which undoubtedly

01:21:52.300 you do

01:21:52.720 and it has problems

01:21:53.540 which undoubtedly

01:21:54.220 it does

01:21:54.760 you bloody well know

01:21:55.920 that lots of times

01:21:56.720 there's something

01:21:57.180 under the carpet

01:21:57.760 that no one wants

01:21:58.420 to name

01:21:58.840 and everybody's

01:21:59.680 thinking

01:21:59.920 well as long

01:22:00.460 as we don't

01:22:00.800 name it

01:22:01.100 it's not really

01:22:01.640 there

01:22:02.000 and in some sense

01:22:03.040 it really isn't

01:22:03.800 there

01:22:04.060 because you can

01:22:05.140 act as if it's

01:22:06.240 not there

01:22:06.700 and get away

01:22:07.200 with it

01:22:07.440 at least for

01:22:07.860 short periods

01:22:08.380 of time

01:22:08.720 but as soon

01:22:09.040 as you name

01:22:09.460 that thing

01:22:09.840 it's like

01:22:10.180 you give it

01:22:10.860 form

01:22:11.100 and it's

01:22:11.440 there

01:22:11.660 and no one

01:22:12.160 can ignore

01:22:12.600 it

01:22:12.860 and that's

01:22:13.460 annoying

01:22:13.760 because then

01:22:14.320 you have

01:22:14.600 to deal

01:22:14.900 with it

01:22:15.240 or face

01:22:16.300 the consequences

01:22:16.980 but the reason

01:22:18.260 I'm telling

01:22:18.640 you that

01:22:18.960 is because

01:22:19.280 we have

01:22:19.680 an intuition

01:22:21.520 even

01:22:22.060 that we can

01:22:23.320 have things

01:22:23.900 not exist

01:22:24.440 by not naming

01:22:25.220 them

01:22:25.440 you name

01:22:26.460 it and it

01:22:26.860 comes forward

01:22:27.540 with staggering

01:22:28.280 clarity

01:22:28.920 and it's not

01:22:29.920 as if naming

01:22:30.560 it is the only

01:22:31.260 thing that gives

01:22:31.820 it reality

01:22:32.320 but it is

01:22:32.820 something like

01:22:33.280 it sharpens

01:22:34.000 it and brings

01:22:34.440 it into focus

01:22:35.080 and gives it

01:22:35.620 borders and

01:22:36.200 barriers

01:22:36.600 borders and

01:22:37.800 boundaries

01:22:38.160 so anyways

01:22:40.140 God's interested

01:22:41.020 enough in what

01:22:41.700 Adam has to

01:22:42.300 say that he

01:22:43.080 has him name

01:22:43.780 all the animals

01:22:44.320 and that sort

01:22:44.880 of makes

01:22:45.260 them into

01:22:45.920 animals

01:22:46.320 now

01:22:46.540 there's more

01:22:47.860 to the linguistic

01:22:48.520 story than

01:22:49.160 that

01:22:49.380 so social

01:22:50.460 psychologist

01:22:51.040 Roger Brown

01:22:51.860 was one of

01:22:52.320 them

01:22:52.460 studied this

01:22:53.360 really interesting

01:22:54.020 phenomena

01:22:54.540 which is

01:22:55.500 associated

01:22:56.000 with

01:22:56.380 the relationship

01:22:57.520 between

01:22:57.900 perception

01:22:58.360 and action

01:22:58.900 you know

01:22:59.460 how a kid

01:23:00.300 will call

01:23:00.840 a particular

01:23:01.600 animal

01:23:01.940 a cat

01:23:02.540 well the word

01:23:03.840 cat is very

01:23:04.600 short like

01:23:05.140 the word

01:23:05.460 dog

01:23:05.980 and it turns

01:23:06.820 out that

01:23:07.300 you know

01:23:07.840 you could

01:23:08.760 think that

01:23:09.300 we could

01:23:09.920 perceive

01:23:10.440 cats as

01:23:11.960 multicellular

01:23:12.820 organisms

01:23:13.300 like we could

01:23:13.820 see the cells

01:23:14.500 we could

01:23:14.820 see the

01:23:15.260 molecules

01:23:15.920 we could

01:23:16.320 see the

01:23:16.580 atoms

01:23:16.880 we could

01:23:17.220 see

01:23:17.460 or we

01:23:17.920 could see

01:23:18.180 the ecosystem

01:23:19.180 that the

01:23:19.660 cat is

01:23:20.000 part of

01:23:20.480 but we

01:23:20.980 don't

01:23:21.500 or maybe

01:23:22.100 the broader

01:23:23.260 mammalian

01:23:24.020 classification

01:23:24.640 that it's

01:23:25.280 part of

01:23:25.680 we could

01:23:26.080 perceive that

01:23:26.880 as the

01:23:27.340 unit of

01:23:27.760 perception

01:23:28.240 but we

01:23:28.840 don't

01:23:29.180 we perceive

01:23:29.960 things at

01:23:30.420 the level

01:23:30.760 of cat

01:23:31.380 and you

01:23:32.660 can tell

01:23:33.140 the perceptual

01:23:33.960 level

01:23:34.360 that people

01:23:35.360 naturally

01:23:35.960 perceive that

01:23:36.700 which doesn't

01:23:37.400 seem to be

01:23:37.860 socio-culturally

01:23:38.640 determined to

01:23:39.280 any great

01:23:39.620 degree

01:23:39.920 by the way

01:23:40.660 because the

01:23:41.320 words are

01:23:41.620 often short

01:23:42.420 and easily

01:23:43.240 remembered

01:23:43.660 and early

01:23:44.240 learned

01:23:44.720 and so

01:23:45.720 there's this

01:23:46.420 level of

01:23:46.980 analysis

01:23:47.660 out of all

01:23:48.840 the possible

01:23:49.420 levels of

01:23:49.900 analysis

01:23:50.260 that the

01:23:50.680 world does

01:23:51.140 exist at

01:23:51.760 we

01:23:52.380 perceive it

01:23:53.320 at a

01:23:53.660 certain

01:23:53.940 level

01:23:54.220 of

01:23:54.380 analysis

01:23:54.740 and that

01:23:55.200 level of

01:23:55.680 analysis

01:23:56.000 seems to

01:23:56.440 have something

01:23:56.860 to do

01:23:57.200 with the

01:23:57.620 world's

01:23:58.000 functional

01:23:58.500 utility

01:23:59.040 for us

01:23:59.700 at that

01:24:00.160 level

01:24:00.520 and the

01:24:01.320 perception

01:24:01.800 at that

01:24:02.360 level

01:24:02.600 and the

01:24:02.920 naming

01:24:03.140 at that

01:24:03.580 level

01:24:03.800 gives things

01:24:04.820 a reality

01:24:05.440 at that

01:24:06.020 level

01:24:06.320 you know

01:24:07.080 because

01:24:07.380 the thing

01:24:08.080 about

01:24:08.480 things

01:24:08.980 is that

01:24:09.360 they're not

01:24:09.760 easily

01:24:10.080 separable

01:24:10.680 from other

01:24:11.140 things

01:24:11.520 they

01:24:11.740 tangle

01:24:12.160 together

01:24:12.580 in all

01:24:12.940 sorts

01:24:13.140 of strange

01:24:13.600 ways

01:24:13.980 and yet

01:24:15.460 when we

01:24:16.080 cast our

01:24:16.720 eye

01:24:17.100 and use

01:24:18.300 our

01:24:18.540 language

01:24:18.980 to orient

01:24:19.720 ourselves

01:24:20.080 in the

01:24:20.320 world

01:24:20.440 we cut

01:24:21.020 things up

01:24:21.480 into

01:24:21.760 discrete

01:24:22.860 discriminable

01:24:23.880 objects

01:24:24.660 that we

01:24:24.960 can then

01:24:25.280 utilize

01:24:25.660 and there's

01:24:26.140 something about

01:24:26.620 that that

01:24:27.400 makes them

01:24:27.860 real in a

01:24:28.480 way that

01:24:28.840 their

01:24:29.020 interconnected

01:24:29.800 potential

01:24:30.680 that they

01:24:32.460 were before

01:24:33.000 that

01:24:33.300 it's not

01:24:34.520 real in the

01:24:35.480 same way

01:24:35.960 at least

01:24:36.320 I think

01:24:36.700 it's even

01:24:37.040 less real

01:24:37.800 I think

01:24:38.120 that's the

01:24:38.420 right way

01:24:38.700 of thinking

01:24:39.020 about it

01:24:39.440 even though

01:24:39.840 it's not

01:24:40.120 completely

01:24:40.500 unreal

01:24:40.980 but

01:24:41.720 it's an

01:24:42.660 echo

01:24:43.100 Adam's a

01:24:44.060 little god

01:24:44.680 at that

01:24:45.040 point

01:24:45.400 a little

01:24:45.740 god

01:24:46.020 the father

01:24:46.500 and God's

01:24:47.320 already done

01:24:47.700 the ground

01:24:48.120 work

01:24:48.320 but Adam

01:24:48.660 has to

01:24:48.960 come along

01:24:49.300 and say

01:24:49.660 well that's

01:24:50.340 a cat

01:24:50.800 it's like

01:24:51.180 poof

01:24:51.600 whatever that

01:24:52.540 is

01:24:52.740 is now

01:24:53.040 a cat

01:24:53.580 and that's

01:24:53.940 a dog

01:24:54.360 and that's

01:24:54.680 a sheep

01:24:55.200 and you know

01:24:55.980 it gives

01:24:56.720 them

01:24:56.960 something like

01:24:58.620 pragmatic

01:24:59.020 form

01:24:59.580 but for Adam

01:25:02.000 there was not

01:25:02.440 found a

01:25:02.780 helpmeet for

01:25:03.360 him

01:25:03.580 and the

01:25:05.880 Lord God

01:25:06.300 caused a

01:25:06.720 deep sleep

01:25:07.080 to fall

01:25:07.420 upon Adam

01:25:07.920 and he

01:25:08.180 slept

01:25:08.480 and God

01:25:09.440 took one

01:25:09.820 of his

01:25:10.020 ribs

01:25:10.260 and closed

01:25:10.760 up the

01:25:11.080 flesh

01:25:11.360 instead

01:25:11.720 thereof

01:25:12.200 and the

01:25:12.540 rib

01:25:12.720 which the

01:25:13.180 Lord God

01:25:13.540 had taken

01:25:13.900 from man

01:25:14.400 made he a

01:25:15.080 woman

01:25:15.280 and brought

01:25:15.700 her unto

01:25:16.040 the man

01:25:16.420 and Adam

01:25:17.240 said

01:25:17.480 this is now

01:25:17.940 bone of

01:25:18.300 my bones

01:25:18.820 and flesh

01:25:19.220 of my

01:25:19.560 flesh

01:25:19.860 she shall

01:25:20.560 be called

01:25:20.900 woman

01:25:21.220 because she

01:25:21.660 was taken

01:25:22.040 out of

01:25:22.360 man

01:25:22.660 therefore

01:25:23.960 shall a

01:25:24.520 man leave

01:25:24.900 his father

01:25:25.340 and his

01:25:25.640 mother

01:25:25.880 and shall

01:25:26.220 cleave unto

01:25:26.660 his wife

01:25:27.140 and they

01:25:27.480 shall be

01:25:27.760 one flesh

01:25:28.360 that's a

01:25:29.260 walloping

01:25:29.640 statement to

01:25:30.280 put in there

01:25:30.680 at the end

01:25:31.060 of those

01:25:31.340 three sentences

01:25:32.020 I mean the

01:25:32.820 therefore

01:25:33.180 comes as

01:25:33.780 somewhat of a

01:25:34.260 surprise

01:25:34.700 but there's

01:25:35.200 an injunction

01:25:35.800 there

01:25:36.100 well it's a

01:25:36.940 good injunction

01:25:37.620 man

01:25:37.940 I'll tell you

01:25:39.100 people who

01:25:39.740 don't do

01:25:40.160 that

01:25:40.440 they have a

01:25:41.180 hell of a

01:25:41.520 time in

01:25:41.860 their

01:25:42.000 marriage

01:25:42.400 and so

01:25:43.100 this is a

01:25:43.480 good thing

01:25:43.780 to know

01:25:44.040 if you

01:25:44.400 are married

01:25:44.860 or if

01:25:45.140 you're

01:25:45.260 planning

01:25:45.540 to get

01:25:45.880 married

01:25:46.160 is like

01:25:46.940 you know

01:25:50.000 we have

01:25:50.280 very strong

01:25:50.800 orientation

01:25:51.160 towards our

01:25:51.800 parents

01:25:52.220 and for

01:25:52.680 good reason

01:25:53.180 it's like

01:25:54.300 the injunction

01:25:55.020 here is

01:25:55.660 that's

01:25:57.320 secondary

01:25:57.640 as soon as

01:25:58.060 you're

01:25:58.200 married

01:25:58.500 and failure

01:26:00.820 to do that

01:26:01.360 makes your

01:26:01.800 marriage

01:26:02.080 collapse

01:26:02.760 and then you

01:26:03.660 deserve it

01:26:04.180 to collapse

01:26:05.000 too as far

01:26:05.520 as I'm

01:26:05.800 concerned

01:26:06.060 because it's

01:26:06.540 a reflection

01:26:06.980 of your

01:26:07.360 pathological

01:26:07.960 immaturity

01:26:08.480 and your

01:26:08.900 unwillingness

01:26:09.800 to extract

01:26:10.420 yourself

01:26:10.840 from the

01:26:11.340 talent-like

01:26:12.440 grip

01:26:12.820 of parents

01:26:13.420 who are

01:26:13.660 a little

01:26:13.880 bit too

01:26:14.280 much

01:26:14.560 on the

01:26:14.820 interfering

01:26:15.220 side

01:26:15.600 but

01:26:15.780 the injunction

01:26:16.660 there's a

01:26:17.320 deep injunction

01:26:17.980 here

01:26:18.280 it's very

01:26:19.120 complicated

01:26:19.660 so one of

01:26:20.620 the ideas

01:26:21.060 is that

01:26:22.240 the original

01:26:23.060 Adam wasn't

01:26:23.900 a man

01:26:25.040 like a

01:26:26.660 separate man

01:26:27.260 it was more

01:26:27.960 like a

01:26:28.240 hermaphroditic

01:26:28.920 being

01:26:29.380 and in that

01:26:30.280 hermaphroditic

01:26:30.900 being there

01:26:31.320 was a kind

01:26:31.720 of undifferentiated

01:26:33.060 perfection

01:26:33.580 and then that

01:26:34.460 was split

01:26:35.000 into male

01:26:35.840 and female

01:26:36.360 and then that

01:26:37.480 part of the

01:26:38.120 goal of human

01:26:38.700 beings is to

01:26:39.300 reunite that

01:26:40.220 as the singular

01:26:41.300 unity

01:26:41.840 that reestablishes

01:26:43.340 the initial

01:26:43.780 perfection

01:26:44.300 and that's

01:26:45.140 actually the

01:26:45.540 goal of marriage

01:26:46.120 from a spiritual

01:26:46.760 perspective

01:26:47.280 and you could

01:26:48.020 read about that

01:26:48.620 if you read

01:26:49.120 Jung because he

01:26:49.800 wrote quite a bit

01:26:50.360 about that

01:26:50.720 it's lovely

01:26:51.160 it's such a

01:26:51.860 good idea

01:26:52.300 so I had

01:26:53.660 these friends

01:26:54.260 that went to

01:26:54.980 Sweden to get

01:26:56.060 married

01:26:56.400 they were from

01:26:57.500 northern Alberta

01:26:58.100 but his

01:26:58.660 heritage

01:26:59.360 they're both

01:26:59.860 their heritages

01:27:00.300 were Swedish

01:27:00.860 and in this

01:27:02.880 ceremony

01:27:03.860 they did this

01:27:04.780 cool thing

01:27:05.320 as they were

01:27:06.040 being married

01:27:06.820 they had to

01:27:07.620 hold a candle

01:27:08.200 up between

01:27:08.700 them

01:27:09.000 while they

01:27:10.140 were being

01:27:10.460 married

01:27:10.780 and you

01:27:11.040 think

01:27:11.240 well

01:27:11.480 okay

01:27:12.040 what's the

01:27:12.460 candle

01:27:12.740 it's a source

01:27:14.340 of light

01:27:14.760 it's a source

01:27:15.600 of illumination

01:27:16.300 it's a source

01:27:17.540 of enlightenment

01:27:18.060 it's the candle

01:27:19.260 that you put on

01:27:19.900 Christmas trees

01:27:20.520 in Europe

01:27:21.280 so it's the

01:27:22.260 light that

01:27:22.580 emerges in the

01:27:23.180 darkness

01:27:23.480 in the depth

01:27:23.980 of winter

01:27:24.380 it's a symbol

01:27:25.340 of life

01:27:25.840 in darkness

01:27:26.820 it's the

01:27:27.680 reemergence

01:27:28.100 of the sun

01:27:28.700 at the

01:27:29.340 darkest

01:27:30.460 coldest

01:27:31.000 time of the

01:27:31.780 year

01:27:31.880 which is also

01:27:32.400 associated

01:27:32.980 symbolically

01:27:34.080 with the

01:27:34.460 birth of Christ

01:27:35.540 for all sorts

01:27:36.380 of complicated

01:27:36.960 reasons

01:27:37.380 and so the

01:27:38.000 candle's all

01:27:38.540 that

01:27:38.880 and then the

01:27:39.680 next question

01:27:40.220 is why do

01:27:40.660 you hold it

01:27:40.940 above you

01:27:41.460 and the answer

01:27:42.300 is because

01:27:42.700 what's above

01:27:43.200 you is what

01:27:44.060 you're below

01:27:44.720 to so it

01:27:45.460 simplifies something

01:27:46.680 transcendent

01:27:47.380 and so why do

01:27:48.100 you both hold

01:27:48.660 on to it

01:27:49.220 well because

01:27:49.820 you're both

01:27:50.180 supposed to

01:27:50.600 hold on to

01:27:51.040 the light

01:27:51.460 right

01:27:52.700 and you're

01:27:53.380 supposed to

01:27:53.700 be subordinate

01:27:54.460 to the light

01:27:55.280 and so you

01:27:56.280 ask well who's

01:27:57.000 in charge

01:27:57.420 in a marriage

01:27:57.980 well the light

01:27:59.000 that's the idea

01:28:00.580 so you come

01:28:01.160 together as one

01:28:02.020 thing

01:28:02.400 you're no longer

01:28:02.980 two things

01:28:03.640 it isn't what's

01:28:04.600 good for you

01:28:05.100 and it's not

01:28:05.520 what's good

01:28:05.860 for your wife

01:28:06.440 it's what's

01:28:07.160 good for the

01:28:07.860 marriage

01:28:08.340 and the

01:28:08.640 marriage is

01:28:09.040 about the

01:28:09.800 combined being

01:28:10.740 which is the

01:28:11.260 reassembly of

01:28:12.100 the original

01:28:12.700 hermaphroditic

01:28:15.480 being at the

01:28:17.120 beginning of

01:28:17.540 time

01:28:17.860 that's the

01:28:18.940 idea

01:28:19.260 and that's

01:28:19.980 all packed

01:28:20.460 into like

01:28:21.000 these four

01:28:21.620 sentences

01:28:22.080 and you know

01:28:23.180 there's been

01:28:23.660 well all of

01:28:25.100 these sentences

01:28:25.640 have tremendous

01:28:26.500 history of

01:28:27.160 interpretation

01:28:27.720 associated with

01:28:28.520 them right

01:28:28.780 it's just

01:28:29.100 endless and

01:28:29.900 endless and

01:28:30.520 endless and

01:28:30.960 that's one of

01:28:31.420 the lines

01:28:31.780 and so it's

01:28:32.560 also an

01:28:33.560 antidote to

01:28:34.380 the idea

01:28:34.840 that women

01:28:35.480 taken out

01:28:36.460 of men

01:28:36.800 which is

01:28:37.120 obviously the

01:28:37.680 reverse of the

01:28:38.300 biological process

01:28:39.280 by the way

01:28:39.780 makes women in

01:28:41.160 some sense

01:28:41.640 subordinate to

01:28:42.400 men that is not

01:28:43.140 built into this

01:28:43.860 text I don't see

01:28:44.620 that at all

01:28:45.720 as built into

01:28:46.320 the text

01:28:46.760 and there's

01:28:47.600 something else

01:28:48.180 that's associated

01:28:48.900 with it too

01:28:49.480 and there's an

01:28:49.900 idea that

01:28:51.120 you know

01:28:54.680 in Sleeping Beauty

01:28:56.360 you know

01:28:57.340 Sleeping Beauty

01:28:58.040 goes to sleep

01:28:58.740 and the reason

01:28:59.820 she goes to

01:29:00.340 sleep is because

01:29:00.980 you have to

01:29:01.920 remember what

01:29:02.380 happens is

01:29:02.900 she has

01:29:04.080 parents who

01:29:04.560 are quite

01:29:04.860 old and

01:29:05.660 so they're

01:29:05.920 pretty desperate

01:29:06.380 to have a

01:29:06.780 child like

01:29:07.600 so many people

01:29:08.500 are now and

01:29:09.440 they only have

01:29:09.760 one child like

01:29:10.780 so many people

01:29:11.460 do now and

01:29:12.640 they don't want

01:29:13.560 anything to

01:29:13.820 happen to this

01:29:14.260 child because

01:29:15.260 like hey it's a

01:29:15.980 miracle and

01:29:17.140 there's only one

01:29:17.840 of them and

01:29:18.360 so she's the

01:29:19.840 princess and

01:29:20.520 so it's like

01:29:21.120 we're not letting

01:29:22.160 anything around

01:29:22.800 her so they have

01:29:23.440 a big christening

01:29:24.060 party right and

01:29:25.080 they invite

01:29:25.400 everybody but

01:29:26.880 they don't invite

01:29:27.540 Maleficent and

01:29:29.700 Maleficent is the

01:29:30.540 terrible mother

01:29:31.240 she's nature

01:29:32.000 she's like the

01:29:33.380 thing that goes

01:29:33.860 bump in the

01:29:34.360 night she's the

01:29:35.380 devil herself so

01:29:36.740 to speak she's

01:29:37.800 everything that you

01:29:38.620 don't want your

01:29:39.140 child to encounter

01:29:39.840 so the king and

01:29:40.700 queen saying well

01:29:41.500 we just won't

01:29:42.000 invite her to the

01:29:42.620 christening it's

01:29:43.220 like good luck

01:29:43.980 with that that's

01:29:45.380 an Oedipal story

01:29:46.160 right the Oedipal

01:29:47.080 mother is the

01:29:47.980 mother who devours

01:29:48.680 her child by

01:29:49.340 refusing by

01:29:50.520 over protecting

01:29:51.240 him or her so

01:29:52.740 that instead of

01:29:53.500 being strengthened by

01:29:54.720 an encounter with

01:29:55.640 the terrible world

01:29:56.460 they're weakened by

01:29:58.140 too much protection

01:29:59.160 and then when

01:29:59.660 they're let out

01:30:00.060 into the world

01:30:00.560 they cannot live

01:30:01.640 and that's the

01:30:03.200 story of sleeping

01:30:03.840 beauty and that's

01:30:04.560 what the king and

01:30:05.180 queen do and they

01:30:06.120 apologize to the

01:30:07.160 to Maleficent when

01:30:08.740 she first shows up

01:30:09.680 and say well you

01:30:10.740 know they have a

01:30:11.240 bunch of half-witted

01:30:11.880 excuses why they

01:30:12.740 don't invite her we

01:30:13.660 forgot it's like I

01:30:14.800 don't think so you

01:30:16.140 know you don't forget

01:30:17.340 something like that

01:30:18.400 and she kind of makes

01:30:19.620 that point it's right

01:30:20.960 the whole horror of

01:30:21.960 life you don't forget

01:30:23.320 about that when you

01:30:24.000 have a child that's

01:30:24.760 for sure you might

01:30:25.380 wish that it would

01:30:25.960 stay at bay but you

01:30:26.980 do not forget about

01:30:27.740 it the question is do

01:30:28.900 you invite it to the

01:30:29.720 party and the answer

01:30:30.840 is it bloody well

01:30:31.980 depends how unconscious

01:30:33.100 you want your child

01:30:33.940 to be and if you

01:30:35.280 want your child to

01:30:36.000 be unconscious well

01:30:36.820 then you have the

01:30:37.360 added advantage that

01:30:38.160 maybe they won't

01:30:38.760 leave home and so

01:30:39.960 you can take advantage

01:30:40.740 of them for the rest

01:30:41.500 of your sad life

01:30:42.480 instead of going off

01:30:43.320 to find something to

01:30:44.040 do for yourself

01:30:44.800 well and then of

01:30:46.620 course you can take

01:30:47.240 revenge on them if

01:30:48.060 they do have any

01:30:48.780 any what would you

01:30:49.900 call impetus towards

01:30:50.840 courage that you

01:30:51.640 sacrificed yourself 30

01:30:52.860 years ago and want to

01:30:53.800 stamp out as soon as

01:30:54.680 you see it develop in

01:30:55.500 your child that's

01:30:56.500 another thing that

01:30:57.120 would be quite pleasant

01:30:58.000 and so that's what

01:30:59.260 happens in sleeping

01:31:00.080 beauty yeah well none

01:31:02.040 of this is pleasant and

01:31:03.020 nothing that happens in

01:31:03.840 that story is pleasant

01:31:04.740 so sleeping beauty she's

01:31:06.180 naive as hell they put

01:31:07.140 her out in the forest

01:31:07.820 and have her raised by

01:31:08.660 these three like goody

01:31:09.940 two-shoes fairies that

01:31:11.080 are also completely

01:31:12.160 devoid of any real

01:31:13.560 potency and power right

01:31:15.000 there's no nothing

01:31:15.720 maleficent about them

01:31:16.860 and then the first idiot

01:31:18.200 prince that wanders by

01:31:19.420 she falls in love with

01:31:20.380 so badly that she has

01:31:21.320 post-traumatic stress

01:31:22.380 disorder when he rides

01:31:23.380 off on his horse right

01:31:25.160 that's what happens and

01:31:27.200 then she then she goes

01:31:28.480 into the castle and

01:31:29.320 she's all freaked out

01:31:30.140 because she met the

01:31:30.940 love of her life for

01:31:31.820 like five minutes for

01:31:33.040 god's sake and you

01:31:34.360 know that's when the

01:31:35.120 spinning wheel that's

01:31:36.040 the wheel of fate pops

01:31:37.180 up and she pricks her

01:31:38.020 finger right they try to

01:31:39.860 get rid of all the

01:31:40.400 spinning wheels they try

01:31:41.240 to get rid of all the

01:31:42.000 wheels of fate with

01:31:42.840 their pointed end but

01:31:44.060 she finds it poked pricks

01:31:45.320 her fingers and finger

01:31:46.360 falls down unconscious

01:31:47.900 well she wants to be

01:31:48.960 unconscious and no

01:31:50.120 bloody wonder she was

01:31:51.320 protected her whole life

01:31:52.520 she's so damn naive that

01:31:53.940 her first love affair just

01:31:54.880 about kills her she

01:31:55.980 wants to go to sleep

01:31:56.740 and never wake up and

01:31:58.040 so that's exactly what

01:31:58.920 happens and then she

01:32:00.080 has to wait for the

01:32:00.780 prince to come and

01:32:01.560 rescue her well you

01:32:02.740 think how sexist can

01:32:03.740 you get that story

01:32:04.760 well seriously because

01:32:06.260 that's that's the way

01:32:07.420 that that would be read

01:32:08.440 in in the modern world

01:32:09.700 it's like she doesn't

01:32:10.500 need a prince to

01:32:11.520 rescue her that's why

01:32:12.600 disney made frozen

01:32:13.580 that absolutely appalling

01:32:14.920 piece of rubbish

01:32:15.760 so you know you can say

01:32:24.940 you can say well the

01:32:26.440 princess doesn't need a

01:32:27.440 prince to rescue her but

01:32:28.480 you know that's a bone

01:32:29.580 headed way of looking at

01:32:30.760 the story because the

01:32:31.940 prince isn't just a man

01:32:33.380 who's coming to rescue

01:32:34.340 the woman and believe me

01:32:35.300 he's got his own

01:32:35.960 problems right he's got a

01:32:36.760 whole goddamn dragon he

01:32:37.840 has to contend with but

01:32:39.300 but the prince also

01:32:41.400 represents the woman's

01:32:42.860 own consciousness the

01:32:44.020 consciousness is presented

01:32:45.720 very frequently in

01:32:46.760 stories as symbolically

01:32:47.780 masculine as it is with

01:32:48.940 the logos idea and the

01:32:49.960 idea is that without

01:32:51.440 without that forward

01:32:52.960 going courageous

01:32:53.900 consciousness a woman

01:32:55.680 herself will drift into

01:32:56.880 unconsciousness and

01:32:57.780 terror and so you can

01:32:59.180 read it as well the

01:33:00.440 woman who's sleeping

01:33:01.900 needs a man to wake

01:33:02.880 her up and of course

01:33:03.620 just like a man needs

01:33:04.680 a woman to wake him

01:33:05.540 up it's the same damn

01:33:06.440 thing that's the dragon

01:33:07.380 fight in sleeping beauty

01:33:08.400 but it's also the case

01:33:09.880 that if she's only

01:33:11.360 unconscious all she can

01:33:12.620 do is lay there and

01:33:13.700 sleep like the sleep

01:33:15.100 of the naive and

01:33:16.080 damned she has to

01:33:17.360 wake herself up and

01:33:19.040 bring her own

01:33:20.680 consciousness her own

01:33:21.700 masculine consciousness

01:33:22.920 into the forefront so

01:33:24.280 that she can survive in

01:33:25.220 the world and of course

01:33:26.260 women are trying to do

01:33:27.060 that like mad but

01:33:28.300 that's partly what's

01:33:29.260 represented in a story

01:33:30.200 like that and that's

01:33:31.820 partly what's implicit in

01:33:33.080 this idea is that unless

01:33:34.540 the woman is taken out

01:33:35.920 of man so to speak then

01:33:37.680 she isn't a human being

01:33:39.100 she's just a creature

01:33:40.100 and that's partly what's

01:33:42.680 embedded in this story

01:33:43.700 so you don't want to

01:33:44.860 read it as a

01:33:45.500 patriarchal you don't

01:33:48.580 want to read anything

01:33:49.320 that way it's so

01:33:50.360 really it's it really

01:33:51.960 it's yeah I won't I

01:33:53.240 won't bother with that

01:33:54.120 but really we can do

01:33:55.160 better than that man

01:33:56.120 therefore shall a man

01:33:57.480 leave his father and

01:33:58.220 his mother and shall

01:33:58.880 cleave unto his wife and

01:33:59.920 they shall be one flesh

01:34:00.980 it's like yeah thing the

01:34:03.040 other thing about

01:34:03.640 marriage this is really

01:34:04.640 worth knowing too is

01:34:05.540 that I learned this in

01:34:07.100 part from reading Jung

01:34:08.040 it's like what do you

01:34:08.700 do when you get

01:34:09.220 married that's easy

01:34:10.480 you take someone who's

01:34:12.400 just as useless and

01:34:13.400 horrible as you are

01:34:14.280 and then you shackle

01:34:16.300 yourself to them and

01:34:18.480 then you say we're not

01:34:20.560 running away no matter

01:34:22.460 what happens yeah well

01:34:24.600 that that's perfect

01:34:25.480 because then you don't

01:34:26.220 get to run away and

01:34:27.660 the thing is is like if

01:34:29.460 you can run away you

01:34:30.220 can't tell each other

01:34:30.900 the truth because if

01:34:32.420 you tell someone the

01:34:33.200 truth about you and

01:34:34.080 they don't run away

01:34:34.840 they weren't listening

01:34:35.820 and so if you don't

01:34:37.620 have someone around

01:34:38.320 that can't run away

01:34:39.040 then you can't tell

01:34:39.720 them the truth and

01:34:41.020 so that's part of the

01:34:41.760 purpose of the

01:34:42.280 marriage it's like okay

01:34:43.240 okay I'll bet on you

01:34:45.020 you bet on me it's a

01:34:45.960 losing bet we both know

01:34:47.000 that but given our

01:34:48.480 current circumstances

01:34:49.420 we're unlikely to find

01:34:50.440 anyone better that's

01:34:51.600 for sure you know

01:34:52.740 there's two things that

01:34:58.460 come off of that one

01:34:59.420 is you know people are

01:35:00.440 waiting around to find

01:35:01.220 mister or mrs right

01:35:02.340 it's like here's

01:35:03.240 something to think

01:35:03.760 about man to put

01:35:04.520 yourself on your feet

01:35:05.340 right if you went to

01:35:06.300 a party and you

01:35:06.900 found mr right and

01:35:08.120 he looked at you and

01:35:08.960 didn't run away

01:35:09.460 screaming that would

01:35:10.460 indicate that he

01:35:11.160 wasn't mr right at

01:35:12.460 all right it's like

01:35:13.780 the old Nietzschean

01:35:15.360 joke if someone loves

01:35:17.720 you that should

01:35:18.200 immediately disenchant

01:35:19.200 you with them right

01:35:22.040 right or it's the

01:35:22.820 Woody Allen joke I

01:35:23.620 never belonged to a

01:35:24.700 club that would take

01:35:25.340 me as a member so

01:35:27.620 so that's it that's

01:35:28.500 an interesting that's

01:35:29.400 a very interesting thing

01:35:30.360 to think about and

01:35:31.100 so you're going to

01:35:32.440 shackle yourself to

01:35:34.080 someone who's just as

01:35:35.400 as imperfect as you

01:35:37.100 are and then the

01:35:38.640 issue is you you

01:35:40.880 you might be in a

01:35:42.220 situation where you

01:35:42.940 can actually negotiate

01:35:43.900 because you might

01:35:45.280 think well there's

01:35:46.300 some things about you

01:35:47.120 that aren't going so

01:35:47.820 right and there's

01:35:48.680 some things about me

01:35:49.400 that aren't going so

01:35:50.080 right and we're

01:35:51.000 bloody well stuck with

01:35:51.880 the consequences for

01:35:52.720 the next 50 years so

01:35:54.380 we can we can either

01:35:55.080 straighten this out or

01:35:57.280 we can suffer through

01:35:58.320 it for the next five

01:35:59.160 decades and you know

01:36:00.340 people are of the

01:36:01.220 sort that without

01:36:02.160 that degree of

01:36:02.960 seriousness those

01:36:03.780 problems will not be

01:36:05.200 solved you'll leave

01:36:06.180 things unnamed because

01:36:07.400 there's always an out

01:36:08.160 it's like and it's the

01:36:09.180 same thing when you're

01:36:09.800 living together with

01:36:10.480 someone you know that

01:36:11.460 people who live together

01:36:12.360 before they're married are

01:36:13.340 more likely to get

01:36:13.960 divorced not less likely

01:36:15.060 and the reason for that

01:36:16.180 is what exactly are you

01:36:17.480 saying to one another

01:36:18.180 when you live with each

01:36:18.940 other just think about

01:36:20.320 it well for now

01:36:23.900 you're better than

01:36:27.120 anything else I can

01:36:28.020 trick but I'd like to

01:36:31.260 reserve the right to

01:36:32.240 trade you in

01:36:33.300 conveniently if someone

01:36:39.980 better happens to

01:36:40.900 stumble into me

01:36:41.980 well how could how could

01:36:50.560 someone not be insulted

01:36:51.700 to their core by an

01:36:52.600 offer like that now

01:36:53.780 they're willing to play

01:36:54.520 along with it because

01:36:55.240 they're going to do the

01:36:55.880 same thing with you

01:36:56.620 well that's exactly it

01:36:58.100 it's like yeah yeah I

01:36:59.260 know you're not going to

01:36:59.920 commit to me so that

01:37:00.760 means you don't value me

01:37:02.020 or our relationship above

01:37:03.300 everything else but as

01:37:04.600 long as I get to escape

01:37:05.600 if I need to then I'm

01:37:06.640 willing to put up with

01:37:07.360 that it's like that's a

01:37:08.900 hell of a thing I mean

01:37:09.620 you might think how

01:37:10.320 stupid is it to shackle

01:37:11.620 yourself to someone it's

01:37:12.840 like it's stupid man

01:37:13.800 there's no doubt about

01:37:14.540 that but compared to the

01:37:15.880 alternatives it's pretty

01:37:17.520 damn good because without

01:37:19.160 that shackling there are

01:37:20.720 things you will never ever

01:37:22.420 learn because you'll have

01:37:23.720 them you can always leave

01:37:25.520 and if you can leave then

01:37:26.700 you don't have to tell

01:37:27.360 each other the truth

01:37:28.060 it's as simple as that

01:37:29.300 because you can just

01:37:29.860 leave and then you don't

01:37:30.880 have anyone you can tell

01:37:31.620 the truth to

01:37:32.180 so there's some

01:37:39.860 representations of the

01:37:41.200 idea of the original

01:37:42.440 it's not this isn't all

01:37:43.680 Adam this is this is an

01:37:45.040 old Chinese symbol I

01:37:46.560 think it's fucksy and

01:37:47.820 new although I think I

01:37:49.320 have the pronunciation

01:37:50.060 wrong but it's really

01:37:51.260 cool see it's see the

01:37:52.680 snakes down here they're

01:37:54.600 kind of like a DNA symbol

01:37:56.080 which I find very

01:37:56.940 interesting and so that's

01:37:59.100 the original cosmic

01:38:00.340 serpent that's sort of

01:38:01.620 the potential out of

01:38:02.520 which that emerges and

01:38:03.420 then that's the

01:38:03.940 differentiation of that

01:38:05.040 into male and female

01:38:05.960 and so that's like the

01:38:07.500 predatory unknown that's

01:38:09.500 one way of thinking

01:38:10.140 about it that's the most

01:38:11.080 fundamental conception of

01:38:12.380 mankind is something like

01:38:13.560 that is the predatory

01:38:14.460 unknown and then the

01:38:15.620 bifurcation of that into

01:38:17.020 the two fundamental

01:38:18.020 cognitive elements of human

01:38:19.300 perception masculine and

01:38:20.560 female and you see the

01:38:21.900 same thing here this is

01:38:23.000 Chinese this is Egyptian

01:38:24.100 also extraordinarily old

01:38:25.560 it's the it's the great

01:38:27.020 serpent that underlies

01:38:28.160 everything maficating

01:38:31.560 itself into Isis queen of

01:38:33.200 the underworld and Osiris

01:38:34.480 king of the king of king

01:38:35.960 of king pharaoh king of

01:38:38.000 order you see the same

01:38:39.140 thing in the old alchemical

01:38:40.060 symbol I love this one

01:38:41.420 doesn't it looks quite a

01:38:42.540 lot like the little thing

01:38:43.300 that Harry Potter chases

01:38:44.280 around hey yeah and

01:38:45.760 that's not accidental by the

01:38:46.920 way because the seeker is

01:38:48.020 the thing the thing that

01:38:49.180 chases this and the seeker

01:38:51.080 that chases this and

01:38:51.920 catches it wins and that's

01:38:53.700 a really old idea and how

01:38:54.720 the hell J.K. Rowling knew

01:38:55.900 that I cannot figure out

01:38:57.000 because that is a very very

01:38:58.240 archaic symbol arcane symbol

01:39:00.220 on Google it's called the

01:39:01.560 round chaos and the only

01:39:03.840 reference to the round

01:39:05.040 chaos that I can find on

01:39:06.100 Google is on my web page

01:39:07.340 and so I have no idea how

01:39:10.720 Rowling came up with that I

01:39:12.100 mean I know she looked at a

01:39:13.040 lot of old texts but the

01:39:14.160 idea that if you play the

01:39:15.800 metagame and you catch this

01:39:17.200 you win all the games is

01:39:18.700 exactly right and that and

01:39:19.840 that's the motif for what's

01:39:21.320 the name of that Quidditch

01:39:22.520 yeah so there's the

01:39:24.260 potential that's like the

01:39:25.460 potential out of which God

01:39:26.640 made the world at the

01:39:27.460 beginning of time and what

01:39:28.780 emerges out of that is

01:39:29.700 some kind of that's the

01:39:30.720 dragon you know that in the

01:39:32.040 dragon fight that's partly

01:39:33.100 the serpent that's in the

01:39:34.280 garden of Eden and then

01:39:35.440 that's the manifestation of

01:39:36.780 masculine and feminine out

01:39:38.360 of that potential predatory

01:39:41.100 unknown masculine and

01:39:42.760 feminine it's like a single

01:39:44.320 it's like a single

01:39:45.560 representation of the

01:39:46.660 evolutionary history of

01:39:47.880 human cognitive

01:39:48.900 consciousness so cool and

01:39:51.460 that's also an image of the

01:39:52.720 ideal it's the union of sun

01:39:54.420 and moon and it's this

01:39:55.360 hyper creature hermaphroditic

01:39:57.600 that's also the Adam and

01:39:59.340 Eve that existed at the

01:40:00.620 beginning of time before the

01:40:01.740 fall and it's the purpose of

01:40:03.320 marriage all of that as a

01:40:05.400 sacrament all of that in

01:40:06.520 these images it's just

01:40:07.620 absolutely unbelievable what

01:40:09.340 images can pack into them

01:40:10.780 and there's some more

01:40:13.600 classical representations of

01:40:15.040 Eve being extracted from

01:40:16.720 Adam and this is a cool

01:40:20.980 line and they were both

01:40:21.820 naked the man and his wife

01:40:22.980 and were not ashamed well

01:40:25.460 that see someone who wrote

01:40:27.300 that would only write that

01:40:28.580 like that if they were

01:40:29.400 surprised that they weren't

01:40:30.360 ashamed because why would

01:40:31.320 you point it out otherwise

01:40:32.220 and so there's this

01:40:33.320 intimation that of two

01:40:35.200 things number one is there

01:40:36.580 was a point at time in time

01:40:38.380 when human beings were

01:40:39.460 naked and they weren't

01:40:40.460 ashamed of it and there

01:40:41.520 is a point of time which

01:40:42.660 is now where they're naked

01:40:44.180 and they are ashamed of

01:40:45.300 it and then the question

01:40:46.500 is well what's the

01:40:47.360 association with nakedness

01:40:48.720 and shame and that's

01:40:50.660 often given a sexual

01:40:52.120 connotation in in classic

01:40:54.420 interpretations of the

01:40:55.480 Adam and Eve story because

01:40:57.280 of its association with

01:40:58.360 nudity I presume but I

01:41:00.100 think it's a lot more

01:41:00.760 complicated than that so you

01:41:03.940 think I noticed my

01:41:06.220 daughter she probably

01:41:07.960 won't be very happy that

01:41:08.820 I'm revealing this in this

01:41:09.860 lecture but my daughter

01:41:11.480 was never really concerned

01:41:12.580 about nudity when she was

01:41:13.680 a little kid it was all

01:41:15.120 the same to her one way

01:41:16.040 or another but my son by

01:41:18.140 the time he was three man

01:41:19.540 that kid was private he

01:41:21.180 his his bedroom door was

01:41:22.880 shut the bathroom door was

01:41:23.880 shut it was like get the

01:41:24.700 hell out of here and that

01:41:25.840 seemed to just happen of

01:41:26.840 its own accord and you

01:41:28.080 know we had two children

01:41:28.940 and one was like that and

01:41:30.060 the other one wasn't I

01:41:30.880 didn't think we had much to

01:41:31.840 do with it at all but it

01:41:32.540 was really fascinating to

01:41:33.600 watch that emerge in him

01:41:35.000 and you know that that sense

01:41:36.720 of self-consciousness does

01:41:38.940 seem to emerge in

01:41:39.680 children somewhere around

01:41:40.500 the age of three and you

01:41:41.820 know that's generally also

01:41:42.800 when we start thinking

01:41:43.660 that maybe having your

01:41:44.520 baby wander around naked

01:41:45.560 on a beach isn't exactly

01:41:46.720 the best idea there's

01:41:48.100 there's there's something

01:41:48.960 like that it's the nudity

01:41:50.320 in children is generally

01:41:51.380 okay under some

01:41:52.340 circumstances in public

01:41:53.520 display we seem to think

01:41:54.860 of that as merely it's

01:41:56.800 acceptable why I don't

01:41:59.320 know why it stops being

01:42:01.100 acceptable well that has

01:42:02.260 something to do with

01:42:02.900 sexuality obviously but it's

01:42:04.760 a very complicated

01:42:05.480 phenomena but you know

01:42:06.880 the whole nudity thing is

01:42:08.180 the is a very complicated

01:42:09.620 thing I mean first of all

01:42:11.240 people are kind of strange

01:42:12.300 because we're hairless

01:42:13.220 roughly you know compared

01:42:15.820 to most animals and we

01:42:18.120 don't know why that is

01:42:18.980 some people think it's

01:42:19.860 because we lost our hair

01:42:20.860 when we were wandering

01:42:21.520 around in the in the

01:42:22.500 desert running around in

01:42:23.540 Africa because we're

01:42:24.420 really really good runners

01:42:25.360 we can run down animals

01:42:26.740 say like a human being in

01:42:28.840 good shape can run a horse

01:42:29.740 to death in a week we can

01:42:31.420 really run man and a lot

01:42:33.040 of our ancestors the

01:42:34.160 Calahari Bushmen still

01:42:35.300 do this they just run an

01:42:36.720 animal for like till it

01:42:38.920 dies and the Bushman

01:42:40.420 doesn't die I mean they

01:42:41.560 also sometimes shoot them

01:42:42.840 with poison arrows but

01:42:43.680 they can just run them

01:42:44.340 until they die so we have

01:42:45.540 tremendous endurance and

01:42:46.740 you and you have to be

01:42:48.080 able to get rid of a lot

01:42:48.780 of heat if you're going

01:42:49.460 to run around in the

01:42:50.080 desert so we don't have

01:42:51.400 much hair that's one

01:42:52.300 explanation and Buckminster

01:42:53.740 Fuller had an interesting

01:42:54.700 explanation which was he

01:42:55.860 thinks that at some point

01:42:57.140 during our evolution we

01:42:58.420 spend a lot of time near

01:42:59.280 the water and so we're

01:43:00.100 like fish apes something

01:43:01.620 like that well you know

01:43:02.800 we like to be on the

01:43:03.520 beach and there's lots

01:43:04.320 of food there and we

01:43:05.140 like to swim and we're

01:43:05.880 really good at swimming

01:43:06.600 for terrestrial creatures

01:43:07.700 and we cry salt tears

01:43:10.460 like some sea going

01:43:11.740 creatures do and women

01:43:12.820 have a layer of

01:43:13.440 subcutaneous fat like

01:43:14.560 some sea going

01:43:15.480 creatures do and we

01:43:16.580 have kind of our feet

01:43:17.740 are which are very odd

01:43:18.780 things are kind of good

01:43:19.900 for flapping in the

01:43:21.360 water although we can

01:43:22.260 also walk with them and

01:43:23.240 so he thought that maybe

01:43:24.880 that adaptation was to

01:43:26.620 to a water existence like

01:43:29.020 seals and so forth like

01:43:30.240 we kind of went back to

01:43:31.080 the ocean but not quite

01:43:32.100 and so but anyways the

01:43:34.480 evolution of that

01:43:35.240 hairlessness is an

01:43:36.080 interesting thing but it

01:43:37.400 certainly does make us

01:43:38.480 exposed to the world in

01:43:40.080 a way that animals that

01:43:41.040 have a covering of fur

01:43:41.980 aren't and then we're

01:43:43.400 upright which is very

01:43:44.980 strange because most

01:43:45.720 animals aren't they're

01:43:46.660 on all fours and so

01:43:47.840 they're very vulnerable

01:43:49.460 parts are protected and

01:43:51.160 and not exposed to view

01:43:52.880 and then of course when

01:43:54.080 you're standing up nude

01:43:54.960 you're you're you're

01:43:57.520 let's call it your

01:43:58.520 psychophysiological

01:43:59.600 quality is on painful

01:44:01.160 display right and

01:44:03.400 people complain about

01:44:04.360 that all the time you

01:44:05.260 know if you look at the

01:44:06.360 feminist tack for example

01:44:07.700 on beauty the idea that

01:44:09.060 women have eating

01:44:09.660 disorders is is

01:44:10.940 directly attributed to

01:44:13.100 the presence of too

01:44:14.420 many beautiful women on

01:44:15.420 the cover of magazines

01:44:16.320 something like that

01:44:17.580 even though women buy

01:44:19.260 those magazines and

01:44:20.180 they're attracted to

01:44:20.860 them and their mood goes

01:44:21.640 up when they purchase

01:44:22.360 them and if the if the

01:44:24.680 stimulus was negative the

01:44:26.540 women would avoid the

01:44:27.240 magazines and not buy

01:44:28.160 them so as a theory it's

01:44:29.500 a very very bad one but

01:44:31.220 it's still the case that

01:44:32.780 you know it's still the

01:44:33.900 case that standards of

01:44:35.300 beauty shame people and

01:44:36.440 that's for sure and

01:44:37.240 everyone because if

01:44:38.600 you're not ugly now man

01:44:39.580 you're going to be at

01:44:40.520 some point in your life

01:44:41.340 so that's kind of a rough

01:44:44.940 thing to contend with

01:44:45.920 right it's it's a rough

01:44:46.980 thing to to know that

01:44:48.520 that there's an ideal that

01:44:49.900 you could be and maybe

01:44:50.760 even once were that

01:44:51.620 you're not going to be for

01:44:52.520 long or or or never

01:44:54.100 were and it's really an

01:44:55.860 appalling issue because I

01:44:57.880 think it's harder on

01:44:58.620 women because women are

01:44:59.600 judged by men more for

01:45:01.260 their but for their

01:45:03.280 youth and fertility that's

01:45:04.940 how it turns out from the

01:45:06.400 evolutionary point of view

01:45:07.360 men are judged more on

01:45:08.720 their socioeconomic status

01:45:10.100 by women it's harsh both

01:45:11.440 ways but so anyways it's

01:45:13.440 you know it's a terrible

01:45:14.200 thing to to carry the

01:45:16.840 knowledge with you that

01:45:18.820 you're exposed to the

01:45:20.640 most serious possible

01:45:21.860 evaluation of the quality

01:45:23.180 of your being that you

01:45:24.000 can possibly be exposed

01:45:25.280 to all the time and

01:45:27.100 that that's further

01:45:27.920 amplified if you're

01:45:29.080 without clothing and so

01:45:30.560 part of clothing is

01:45:31.360 protection but a

01:45:32.180 tremendous amount of it

01:45:33.080 is merely stopping other

01:45:34.500 people from evaluating you

01:45:36.820 too harshly all the time

01:45:38.040 it just gets in the way

01:45:39.180 so anyways this story

01:45:43.200 this this story makes the

01:45:46.840 case that at some point

01:45:47.800 we weren't like that well

01:45:49.340 animals aren't like that

01:45:50.320 so it seems perfectly

01:45:51.500 plausible that at some

01:45:52.420 point we weren't like

01:45:53.420 that but at some point

01:45:54.480 that changed and and

01:45:56.160 they were both naked the

01:45:57.040 man and his wife and

01:45:57.800 were not ashamed now the

01:46:01.340 serpent was more subtle

01:46:02.400 than any beast of the

01:46:03.320 field which the Lord God

01:46:04.340 had made and he said

01:46:06.040 unto the woman yea hath

01:46:07.440 God said ye shall not

01:46:08.620 eat of every tree of the

01:46:09.620 garden I like this this

01:46:11.220 is um oh I can't

01:46:13.860 remember who did the

01:46:14.540 etching now who is it

01:46:15.700 Doré yeah Doré exactly

01:46:17.960 he Doré did etchings for

01:46:19.900 Paradise Lost that are

01:46:20.820 absolutely remarkable and

01:46:21.980 this is Satan and this is

01:46:23.520 the snake here and of

01:46:24.920 course in in in the

01:46:25.960 Genesis story Satan is

01:46:27.280 weirdly associated with

01:46:28.360 the snake and I'll tell

01:46:29.480 you that's a that's a

01:46:30.880 that's a tough one to

01:46:31.880 sort out because in the

01:46:34.160 story of Adam and Eve

01:46:35.180 there's no indication

01:46:35.900 whatsoever that the

01:46:37.200 serpent who tempts Eve

01:46:39.320 is also Satan the author

01:46:41.440 of all evil and how in the

01:46:43.080 world those two stories

01:46:44.000 got tangled together well I

01:46:46.180 think I figured that out

01:46:47.100 and I'm going to tell you

01:46:48.420 that tonight but it took a

01:46:49.600 very long time to figure it

01:46:50.620 out and it's absolutely

01:46:51.760 it's so bloody brilliant I

01:46:53.320 just can't believe that

01:46:54.340 people figured it out it's

01:46:55.380 so it's so unbelievably

01:46:56.900 spectacularly brilliant and

01:46:59.620 that's a that's a an

01:47:00.860 intimation of that idea

01:47:02.060 right that there's a

01:47:02.720 kinship between these two

01:47:03.860 things so anyways the

01:47:05.920 serpent's more subtle than

01:47:07.260 any beast of the field

01:47:08.080 subtle is an interesting

01:47:09.220 word this is from the

01:47:10.180 Oxford English Dictionary so

01:47:12.080 because we'll amplify the

01:47:13.680 word a bit this is what you

01:47:15.100 do in Jungian dream

01:47:15.960 interpretation for example

01:47:17.180 is to kind of look at the

01:47:18.080 connotations of the

01:47:19.200 concepts that are

01:47:19.980 associated with the dream

01:47:21.360 subtle of a person or

01:47:23.200 animal in action behavior

01:47:24.660 crafty cunning sly treacherous

01:47:27.120 so it's something that

01:47:27.740 sort of sneaks along right

01:47:28.940 it's not something that

01:47:30.040 you really pick up on that

01:47:31.100 easily of a look or glance

01:47:33.620 sly furtive surreptitious

01:47:35.300 of a person skillful expert

01:47:37.920 clever of a work of art

01:47:39.820 mechanical device cleverly

01:47:41.320 made or designed ingenious

01:47:42.720 well that that's I think

01:47:43.940 that's all fairly all

01:47:46.340 those terms so far are

01:47:47.460 fairly well attributed to

01:47:48.820 snakes I mean they are

01:47:49.760 very cool things and and

01:47:51.520 they are very well

01:47:52.180 designed and they're quite

01:47:53.160 remarkable and they're

01:47:54.140 also very subtle on the

01:47:56.840 nature of or involving

01:47:57.980 careful discrimination of

01:47:59.260 fine points or fine

01:48:01.180 points difficult to

01:48:02.220 understand and abstruse of a

01:48:06.280 person the mind or

01:48:11.400 intellectual activity

01:48:12.360 intellectual activity

01:48:13.820 characterized by wisdom or

01:48:15.080 perceptiveness discriminating

01:48:16.360 discerning and shrewd that's

01:48:17.680 interesting because Milton's

01:48:19.440 satan is also the intellect

01:48:21.920 and you know you see that

01:48:24.040 very often you know it's so

01:48:25.120 often the bad guy's an evil

01:48:26.360 scientist right and there's

01:48:27.860 something about and you see

01:48:29.200 the same thing in the lion

01:48:30.100 king with scar I mean scar is

01:48:32.180 an intellect an arrogant

01:48:33.260 deceitful intellect he's there's

01:48:34.940 nothing stupid about scar he's

01:48:36.720 not wise but he's the he's the

01:48:38.840 evil voice that's always

01:48:40.040 whispering in the king's ear

01:48:41.200 and that's associated with the

01:48:42.720 pride of the intellect and the

01:48:44.560 catholics had warned

01:48:45.900 warned humanity about the

01:48:47.360 pride of the intellect for

01:48:48.680 centuries that's partly what

01:48:50.560 produced somewhat of the

01:48:51.740 schism between catholicism and

01:48:53.220 science although that's much

01:48:54.320 overstated if you look at the

01:48:55.520 historical record the idea was

01:48:57.920 that the intellect has its own

01:48:59.560 particular it's a remarkable

01:49:01.220 faculty let's say it's the

01:49:03.500 highest angel in god's heavenly

01:49:04.840 kingdom that's the way that

01:49:05.960 milton portrayed it but it's

01:49:07.920 also the thing that can go most

01:49:09.160 terribly wrong because

01:49:10.240 intellect the intellect can

01:49:12.500 become arrogant about its own

01:49:14.460 existence and accomplishments and

01:49:16.380 it can fall in love with its own

01:49:17.700 products and that's what happens

01:49:19.120 when you're ideologically

01:49:19.960 possessed because you end up with

01:49:21.720 a dogma like say a human

01:49:23.660 constructed dogma in solzhenitsyn's

01:49:25.580 words that possesses you

01:49:26.780 completely of which you believe is

01:49:29.000 100 percent right right so it

01:49:31.420 eradicates the necessity for

01:49:32.800 anything transcendent and so

01:49:34.600 that's the subtil element of the

01:49:36.620 intellect that's associated

01:49:38.240 symbolically with the snake in

01:49:39.780 the garden of paradise of a

01:49:42.420 feeling sense sensation acute and

01:49:44.560 keen involving distinctions that

01:49:45.880 are fine or delicate especially to

01:49:47.720 such an extent as to be difficult to

01:49:49.300 discern or analyze also almost

01:49:51.400 imperceptible and elusive having

01:49:53.560 little thickness or breadth thin fine

01:49:56.280 subtil matter now historical rarefied

01:49:59.920 matter barely there at all and the

01:50:02.740 woman said unto the serpent we may

01:50:04.860 eat of the fruit of the trees of

01:50:06.060 the garden but of the fruit of the

01:50:07.680 tree which is in the midst of the

01:50:08.800 garden goth is god has said he

01:50:10.680 shall not eat of it neither shall you

01:50:12.600 touch it lest you die and the

01:50:14.740 serpent said to the woman ye shall

01:50:16.840 not surely die for god doth know in

01:50:19.500 the day that you eat thereof then

01:50:21.080 your eyes shall be open and you shall

01:50:22.580 be as gods knowing good and evil

01:50:24.300 sneaky subtle it's a nice story hey

01:50:27.960 the first thing is the for instant

01:50:30.160 the instant implication is well you

01:50:33.140 can't trust god so that's pretty

01:50:35.480 sneaky and the next is well he's

01:50:37.100 trying to he's trying to pull a fast

01:50:38.800 one on you and the next one is well

01:50:40.680 he's trying to do that because he's

01:50:41.680 jealous and he doesn't want you to

01:50:43.660 know things that he knows because

01:50:44.900 that wouldn't be so good and he's

01:50:46.980 lying to you anyways because you're

01:50:48.180 not going to die and if you eat it

01:50:51.300 contrary to what you've been informed

01:50:53.080 then all that's going to happen is

01:50:54.740 your eyes will be open and you'll be

01:50:56.280 like gods knowing good and evil that

01:50:57.800 sounds pretty damn good so you know

01:51:00.340 and night I mean Eve what does she

01:51:02.240 know you know it's no wonder she's

01:51:04.080 susceptible to such blandishments and

01:51:06.800 it's quite interesting too because

01:51:08.220 Adam and Eve God tells Adam and Eve

01:51:10.000 not to eat the damn fruit but they

01:51:11.580 never promise not to right so they

01:51:14.820 haven't promised they've just been

01:51:16.160 told to and well should they be

01:51:17.600 obedient well how obedient do you want

01:51:19.460 your children to be you want them to

01:51:21.300 be obedient enough so they don't get

01:51:22.660 hurt but disobedient enough so that

01:51:24.380 they go out in the world and do

01:51:25.360 something courageous and they break

01:51:27.100 some rules and they learn some

01:51:28.220 things and so you know it's it's it's

01:51:30.600 a very paradoxical story anyways the

01:51:33.180 serpent wins this round man and so Eve

01:51:36.580 pays attention to the snake so again we

01:51:43.340 have the same set of images right we

01:51:45.140 have Adam and we have Eve we have this

01:51:48.380 tree and we have this strange serpent

01:51:50.240 that's a dragon-like form there are

01:51:51.960 sphinx-like form that's associated with

01:51:54.300 the tree the snakes eternally

01:51:56.280 associated with the tree well the snake

01:51:58.080 wasn't eternally associated with the

01:51:59.700 tree we spent God only knows how many

01:52:01.740 tens of millions of years as tree

01:52:04.020 dwelling primates and the primary or one

01:52:07.620 of our primary predators we had three

01:52:09.300 primary predators snakes birds cats and so

01:52:15.840 the snake has been associated with the tree

01:52:17.580 for a very very long time and the lesson

01:52:19.920 the snake tells people is you bloody well

01:52:22.120 better wake up or something you don't

01:52:23.940 like will get you and who's going to be

01:52:25.960 more susceptible to paying attention to

01:52:28.440 the snake and that's going to be Eve and

01:52:30.900 the reason for that is Eve has offspring and

01:52:34.740 there's nothing tastier to a snake than a

01:52:37.360 child and so Eve had every reason to be

01:52:39.980 self-conscious and neurotic and women are

01:52:42.380 more self-conscious and neurotic than men by

01:52:44.220 quite a substantial amount and that's

01:52:45.960 true cross-culturally and it emerges at

01:52:48.180 puberty and part of the reason is as

01:52:50.520 far as we can tell is that women are

01:52:52.260 more sexually vulnerable they're also

01:52:54.000 smaller so that's a problem if you're

01:52:56.780 engaged in any physical alteration but

01:52:58.380 most importantly I think is that why would

01:53:02.460 you ever assume that a human females

01:53:04.920 nervous system is adapted to her or her

01:53:07.800 well-being why wouldn't you assume

01:53:09.540 instead that her nervous system is

01:53:11.400 adapted to the female infant dyad because

01:53:15.280 if it isn't then the infants die and so

01:53:17.820 you might think well women are way more

01:53:19.020 susceptible to depression and anxiety

01:53:20.880 than men are that's a hell of a burden to

01:53:23.100 bear and that's also true cross-culturally

01:53:25.140 by the way and it also kicks in at

01:53:26.580 puberty and the biggest differences are

01:53:28.560 in Scandinavia for those of you who think

01:53:30.240 it's socio-cultural which it isn't so but

01:53:34.380 there's reasons for it you know and it's

01:53:35.880 also at puberty when men and men and

01:53:37.680 women start to become sexually dimorphic in

01:53:39.600 terms of size and men are way more

01:53:41.760 powerful in their upper bodies it's

01:53:43.480 incomparably more powerful and so that

01:53:45.660 makes them a lot more dangerous and

01:53:46.920 human the human primary human defense

01:53:49.560 mechanism is punching like with

01:53:51.360 kangaroos because kangaroos there's some

01:53:53.580 other animals that punch chimps can

01:53:54.920 punch too but human beings it's a punch

01:53:56.520 and most of the force in that is upper

01:53:58.440 body and shoulder and so a woman's no

01:54:00.440 match for a man in a fight so she has

01:54:02.160 every reason to be nervous especially

01:54:03.860 when you add that to that her additional

01:54:05.640 sexual vulnerability and the fact that

01:54:07.540 she has to take care of extraordinarily

01:54:08.980 dependent infants who are extremely

01:54:10.680 fragile for a very long period of time

01:54:12.920 and so she had every and women are more

01:54:15.420 self-conscious than men the empirical

01:54:17.300 literature on that is clear it's

01:54:18.920 associated with trait neuroticism because

01:54:20.640 self-consciousness is actually an

01:54:21.940 unpleasant emotion who wants to be

01:54:23.980 self-conscious if I'm self-conscious on

01:54:26.280 the stage talking to you then all of a

01:54:27.740 sudden I can't even talk to you all I'm

01:54:29.460 doing is thinking about me and all the

01:54:31.080 things that are wrong with me and I fall

01:54:32.440 inside myself it's like self-consciousness

01:54:34.800 although it's a great gift let's say is

01:54:36.880 nothing pleasant it's associated

01:54:38.480 primarily with anxiety

01:54:39.700 so we've had every reason to pay

01:54:44.380 attention to the snake that's for sure

01:54:45.920 I think I read this week that among I

01:54:49.120 can't remember which tribesmen it was

01:54:50.800 unfortunately although I did put a

01:54:52.280 footnote in my new book about this

01:54:53.740 these were jungle dwelling tribal people

01:54:59.620 five percent of the adults had been

01:55:01.860 attacked by a python and a substantial

01:55:04.040 number of children had been killed by

01:55:05.360 them so snake predation was no joke it

01:55:08.900 shaped our evolutionary past and still

01:55:11.420 is no joke in many places and so we're

01:55:13.640 attuned to snakes and the thing is as

01:55:16.040 Lynn Esbell pointed out an

01:55:17.540 anthropologist we are really good at

01:55:19.800 detecting the camouflage patterns of

01:55:21.800 snakes especially in the lower half of

01:55:23.300 our visual field and there's evidence

01:55:26.720 that part of the reason that human

01:55:28.160 beings have such acute vision which means

01:55:30.920 that our eyes opened let's say is

01:55:32.840 because we were we co-evolved with snakes

01:55:35.220 and we learned how to see them and then

01:55:37.420 the price we paid for seeing was that

01:55:39.220 our brain grew because you need a lot of

01:55:40.880 brain to be able to see and the

01:55:42.540 consequence of our brain growing is one

01:55:44.160 day we woke up and discovered the

01:55:45.480 future and the future is where all the

01:55:47.340 snakes might live instead of where they

01:55:49.380 live right now

01:55:50.160 so there's that the same thing and the

01:55:56.540 same so interesting again these images

01:55:58.320 you see in this one you have the specter

01:56:01.480 of death in the tree with the snake and

01:56:03.620 the fruit now fruit is interesting too I

01:56:05.920 already made the case that there's a

01:56:07.740 tight linkage between what you eat and

01:56:09.360 information right a conceptual link as

01:56:11.400 well as a practical link but it's also

01:56:12.980 the case that we can see colors and the

01:56:15.640 question is why and the answer is because

01:56:17.540 we evolved to see ripe fruit so in the

01:56:20.320 story of Adam and Eve human beings are

01:56:22.200 given vision by the snake and the fruit

01:56:24.080 and that turns out to be correct so

01:56:27.400 isn't that something and then you think

01:56:29.000 what role do women play in relationship

01:56:30.620 to men well first they make them

01:56:32.320 self-conscious let's not ever forget

01:56:34.200 about that because I would say the

01:56:36.000 primary role that women have in

01:56:38.080 relationship to men is to make them

01:56:39.440 self-conscious and men don't

01:56:40.920 precisely like that there's nothing

01:56:42.900 that will make a man more self-conscious

01:56:44.820 than being rejected and why because

01:56:47.340 why is he rejected well obviously

01:56:49.400 mother nature in the guise of that

01:56:52.060 particular woman has said you're not so

01:56:54.740 bad for a friend but there's no reason

01:56:56.300 that your genetic material should

01:56:57.620 propagate itself into the future

01:56:59.120 right well and it's not like men are

01:57:06.540 exactly happy about being made

01:57:07.900 self-conscious by women right it's a

01:57:10.480 major source of continual tension

01:57:12.320 between men and women and it's no

01:57:13.620 wonder but it's also the case and this

01:57:15.620 is something really cool and

01:57:16.740 interesting to know you know we

01:57:18.900 divulged dive divulged die whatever

01:57:23.920 that's it diverged we diverged from the

01:57:27.120 common ancestor between us and

01:57:28.800 chimpanzees about six million years ago

01:57:30.560 here's why at least in part chimpanzee

01:57:33.260 females are non-discriminate

01:57:34.820 maters they'll mate with any male when

01:57:37.720 they go into heat which human females

01:57:40.220 don't when they go into heat then any

01:57:43.980 male is allowed access now the dominant

01:57:46.880 males chase the subordinate males away

01:57:48.560 and so the dominant males are more

01:57:50.100 likely to leave offspring but it's not

01:57:51.560 because of the female choice it's not

01:57:53.260 the case with human beings human

01:57:54.980 females engage in hypergamy and

01:57:57.220 hypergamy is the and this is also true

01:57:58.980 cross-culturally and it's also quite it's

01:58:02.560 just as extensive in Scandinavia not

01:58:04.420 quite there's a bit of attenuation but

01:58:05.880 not much women mate across and up

01:58:08.180 dominance hierarchies men mate across and

01:58:10.480 down okay when that has to be the case

01:58:12.980 because if obviously it has to work that

01:58:15.680 way if one goes up the other has to go

01:58:17.460 down the socio-economic status of a

01:58:19.800 woman is almost determines almost zero of

01:58:23.880 her attractiveness towards a man whereas

01:58:26.240 the socio-economic status of a man is a

01:58:28.420 major determinant of his attractiveness

01:58:30.120 towards a woman and it isn't as wealth

01:58:31.900 either because that's been tested it's

01:58:33.400 his capacity to generate and be productive

01:58:36.860 and to share because that beats the hell

01:58:39.080 out of wealth wealth can disappear right

01:58:40.960 but the capacity to be productive and

01:58:43.060 share that's that's a much more important

01:58:45.820 element and why not be chosen on the

01:58:47.980 basis of that especially because women

01:58:49.380 have to have infants and infants make the

01:58:51.980 woman dependent and the woman is just

01:58:53.760 looking logically rationally and from an

01:58:56.300 evolutionary perspective for someone who's

01:58:58.260 useful enough to give a hand to lend a hand

01:59:00.100 so women make intense demands on men and

01:59:03.740 it's no wonder but the thing is is that

01:59:06.000 because women engaged in hypergamy at

01:59:08.400 least in part we diverged quite rapidly

01:59:10.480 from chimpanzees because the selection

01:59:12.640 pressure that women placed on men developed

01:59:15.340 the entire species now there's two things

01:59:17.380 that happened as far as I could tell the

01:59:19.260 men competed for competence let's say so

01:59:22.160 the male hierarchy is a mechanism that pushes

01:59:25.000 the best men to the top virtually by

01:59:26.920 definition and then that's that's the

01:59:30.080 effect of that is multiplied by the fact

01:59:31.640 that women who are hypergamous peel from

01:59:33.380 the top and so that the males who are the

01:59:35.880 most competent are much more likely to

01:59:37.420 leave offspring and that seemed to be

01:59:39.940 what drove our cortical expansion for

01:59:41.800 example which happened very very rapidly

01:59:43.360 over the course of evolutionary time so

01:59:46.100 and when the woman saw that the tree was

01:59:50.160 good for food and that it was pleasant to

01:59:51.640 the eyes and a tree to be desired to make

01:59:54.940 one wise she took of the fruit thereof and

01:59:58.300 did eat and gave also unto her husband with

02:00:00.360 her and he did eat oh yes and women share

02:00:02.440 food that's a very strange thing because

02:00:05.320 most creatures don't do that right most

02:00:07.340 animals don't share food like if you if

02:00:09.260 you're a wolf and you bring down

02:00:10.220 something in a hunt you eat your fill the

02:00:12.560 dominant creatures eat their fill and

02:00:14.760 then if there's some left over the

02:00:15.860 subordinates get to eat too but that

02:00:17.160 isn't how human beings work we share food

02:00:19.640 now you can imagine how that evolved

02:00:21.380 because lots of female creatures share food

02:00:24.240 with their offspring okay you don't need

02:00:26.400 much of a twist in that from an evolutionary

02:00:28.140 perspective till you start to share food

02:00:30.360 not only with your offspring say but with

02:00:32.420 your mate and that's another way that you

02:00:34.320 entice a mate it's like we're going to be

02:00:36.600 better together than alone well that's the

02:00:38.640 offering of the fruit well what's the

02:00:40.360 self-conscious part well here's part of

02:00:42.780 the bargain you know I'm going to wake

02:00:44.820 you up and partly I'm going to wake you

02:00:46.800 up because you need to be woken up because

02:00:48.200 I have this infant that needs some damn

02:00:50.100 care and so you bloody well better be

02:00:51.920 awake and part of the bargain is all

02:00:53.640 offer you something I'll offer you some

02:00:55.960 food and in response we're going to

02:00:57.840 make a team and that's the deal well

02:01:00.420 that's the human deal and that's why

02:01:01.840 we're more or less monogamous by why we

02:01:04.940 more or less pair bond and why something

02:01:07.640 approximating marriage is a human

02:01:09.240 universal it's cross-cultural now you

02:01:11.780 can find exceptions but who the hell cares

02:01:13.680 the vast really man who cares the you

02:01:17.700 look at the vast pattern the vast

02:01:20.400 pattern well in the price we pay for

02:01:21.960 having large brains is that we're very

02:01:23.440 dependent and it takes a long time for

02:01:25.100 us to get programmed and because of that

02:01:26.660 we need relatively stable family bonding

02:01:29.140 and that's basically what we've evolved

02:01:31.200 and you know you don't get that without

02:01:33.080 making men self-conscious because male

02:01:35.100 creatures why not impregnate and run I

02:01:38.240 mean why the hell not and that's

02:01:39.760 something to really no kidding like

02:01:41.340 that's the thing to think about it is

02:01:43.260 not why men abandon their children

02:01:45.120 that's the mystery it's why any men ever

02:01:48.540 stick with them that's the mystery because

02:01:51.120 you just have to look at the animal

02:01:52.320 kingdom and that like the simplest and

02:01:55.180 easiest thing is always the most likely

02:01:57.120 thing to occur so it's the exception that

02:02:00.720 long-term commitment that needs

02:02:01.980 explanation she took of the fruit thereof

02:02:05.260 and did eat and gave also unto her husband

02:02:07.000 with her and he did eat and the eyes of

02:02:09.680 both of them were opened implying that

02:02:11.580 before that they were closed and they knew

02:02:14.000 they were naked and they sewed fig leaves

02:02:16.020 together and made themselves aprons so

02:02:17.940 that's so interesting so their eyes are

02:02:19.360 open which indicates that they weren't to

02:02:21.280 begin with so whatever God created to

02:02:22.940 begin with was kind of blind and but not

02:02:25.300 blind in some strange way because they

02:02:27.160 weren't obviously wandering around in

02:02:28.480 the garden bumping into trees it was

02:02:30.400 some sort of metaphysical blindness

02:02:32.240 that's been removed by whatever has just

02:02:34.600 happened and whatever's just happened

02:02:36.340 also made them realize that they were

02:02:37.700 naked okay so what sort of eye-opening

02:02:39.960 is that what does it mean to realize that

02:02:42.460 you're naked it means to realize that

02:02:45.100 you're vulnerable that's what people

02:02:47.340 discovered it's like oh we can be hurt so

02:02:50.920 you're a zebra in a herd of zebras and

02:02:53.940 there's a bunch of lions around there

02:02:55.460 laying on the grass you don't care those

02:02:58.380 are laying down lions laying down lions

02:03:01.260 are no problem it's standing up hunting

02:03:03.340 lions that are the problem you're not

02:03:04.840 smart enough to figure out that laying

02:03:06.240 down lions turn into standing up hunting

02:03:08.520 lions so you're not like building a fort to

02:03:11.400 keep the lions out you're just mindlessly

02:03:13.580 eating grass you're not very awake but

02:03:16.320 that's not what happens to human beings

02:03:17.880 is they wake up and they think we're

02:03:19.500 vulnerable permanently it's never going

02:03:22.320 away right it's the it's the recognition

02:03:25.680 of that internal vulnerability what

02:03:28.440 happens the first thing they do is

02:03:29.700 clothe themselves well what happens when

02:03:32.160 you're naked when you need protection

02:03:33.780 from the world well obviously look you're

02:03:35.620 all wearing clothes you know why well we've

02:03:40.000 been doing that for a very very long period of

02:03:41.760 time it's tens of thousands of years at

02:03:43.560 minimum in fact you can track more or less

02:03:46.140 when clothing develop because you can do

02:03:48.480 DNA testing of the kind of lice that

02:03:50.280 cling to clothes rather than hair and so

02:03:52.080 we have a pretty good idea of when

02:03:53.760 clothing emerged and of different types

02:03:56.180 as well so that's quite cool but the

02:03:58.020 point is they're naked and they think

02:03:59.820 that's not so good we're vulnerable so

02:04:02.320 their eyes were open enough so they become

02:04:03.900 self-conscious and they recognize their

02:04:05.880 own vulnerability and the first thing

02:04:07.080 they do is the first step of culture is

02:04:09.300 to protect themselves with something from

02:04:11.040 the world and you protect yourself from

02:04:13.020 the world and from the prying eyes of

02:04:14.460 other people this is the book by Lynn

02:04:17.640 Isbell why we see so well from the

02:04:20.160 temptation of Eve to the venomous murder

02:04:22.020 of the mighty Thor the serpent appears

02:04:23.760 throughout time and culture as a figure of

02:04:25.380 mischief and mystery misery the

02:04:27.480 worldwide prominence of snakes and

02:04:28.980 religion myth and folklore underscores our

02:04:31.080 deep connection to the serpent but why when so few of us have

02:04:34.380 first-hand experience the surprising answer

02:04:37.560 this book suggests lies in the singular effect of snakes on primate

02:04:41.980 evolution predation pressure from snakes Lynn Isbell tells us is ultimately

02:04:45.960 responsible for the superior vision and large brains of primates and for a

02:04:50.760 critical aspect of human evolution that was tested recently psychologists

02:04:54.960 have known for a long time that people are can learn fear to snakes but they

02:04:58.660 discovered in primates recently a set of neurons pulver neurons which are

02:05:03.360 specialized that that's an old old perceptual systems reveal

02:05:08.100 neurobiological evidence of past selection for rapid detections of

02:05:12.120 snakes so that's from 2013 so the snake definitely woke us up color

02:05:19.380 vision as an adaptation to fruit eating and primates it's not by accident that

02:05:24.000 women make themselves look like ripe fruit in order to be attractive to men

02:05:27.360 right and that's also not sociocultural in origin so and they heard the voice of the

02:05:35.980 Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day and Adam and his wife hid

02:05:39.660 themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden

02:05:42.580 that's interesting so what's the implication prior to being woken up prior to

02:05:49.080 recognizing nakedness and vulnerability there was no reason for God for man and

02:05:54.300 woman to hide from God now are they hiding from God while they're naked they're

02:05:59.040 vulnerable okay so think about this think about this it's like imagine that you

02:06:04.680 have the capacity to live truthfully and courageously and forthrightly just

02:06:09.240 imagine that and then imagine why you might not do that and then imagine well how

02:06:14.220 about fear and shame how would that work well let's say that the idea of living

02:06:19.900 forthrightly and truthfully and courageously is analogous given what we

02:06:24.220 already know about these stories to walking with God in the garden what

02:06:27.580 stops people from doing that what stops people from hiding well it's their own

02:06:31.620 rates of recognition of their own inadequacy they look at themselves and they

02:06:34.480 think how in the world is a creature such as I supposed to live properly in this

02:06:41.160 world with everything that's wrong with me and so what do you hide from well you

02:06:45.780 you go home you sit on your bed for five minutes and ask yourself what have you

02:06:49.300 hidden from in your life man you'll have books of knowledge reveal

02:06:53.320 themselves to you in your imagination right say well why are you hiding well

02:06:57.680 it's no bloody wonder you're hiding it's no wonder that people hide that's the

02:07:01.760 thing that's so terrifying about this story we woke up and we thought oh my god

02:07:05.680 look at this place like this is seriously there's some serious trouble here and

02:07:09.420 we're in some serious trouble and we're not what we could be and so we hide and

02:07:14.000 that's what the story says people woke up they became self-conscious they

02:07:17.440 recognized their own vulnerability and that made them made them hide from

02:07:21.360 manifesting their divine destiny it's like yeah that's exactly right and the

02:07:26.000 lord good there I love this part of the story and that's so funny and the lord

02:07:29.540 god called and we could use a little humor at this point and the lord god called

02:07:34.140 unto adam and said unto him where art thou and adam said I heard thy voice in the

02:07:40.500 garden and I was afraid because I was naked so in case there was any doubt about

02:07:46.140 that that's why and I hid myself and god said who told you that you were naked did

02:07:56.780 you eat of the tree where have I commanded you that you should not eat and this is

02:08:01.700 where adam shows himself in all his post fall heroic glory and the man said the

02:08:10.220 woman whom thou gave us to be with me she gave me of the tree and I did eat so that's such

02:08:25.660 man that's such that it's so you know again there's a modern feminist interpretation of the

02:08:33.320 story of adam and eve that makes the claim that eve was portrayed as the universal bad guy of

02:08:39.160 humanity for disobeying god and eating the apple it's like fair enough you know looks like she

02:08:46.080 slipped up and then she tempted her husband and you know that makes her even worse although he's

02:08:52.220 was foolish enough to immediately eat so it just means she was a little more courageous than him

02:08:57.260 then got there first but it's adam who comes across as really one sad creature in this story as

02:09:02.520 far as I'm concerned look at what he manages in one sentence it's like first of all it wasn't him

02:09:07.580 it was the woman and second even blames god it's like it wasn't just the woman it was it was that

02:09:13.540 woman and you gave her to me and she gave me of the tree and I did eat it's like so hey adam's all

02:09:21.200 innocent except now he's not only is he naked and disobedient and cowardly and ashamed he's also

02:09:31.560 snivelly backbiting think he rats her out like the second he gets the opportunity and then he

02:09:39.120 blames god it's like and that's exactly right that's exactly right man you go online and you read

02:09:44.560 you read the commentary that men write about women when they're resentful and bitter about women

02:09:49.000 you read it it's so interesting it's like it's not me it's those bitches okay that's right it's not me

02:09:56.160 it's them and not only that what a bloody world this is in which they exist it's exactly the same

02:10:02.320 thing it's exactly the same thing and it is absolutely pathetic all right

02:10:08.340 and the lord god said unto the woman what is this that thou has done and the woman said the serpent

02:10:21.040 beguiled me and I did eat well at least she has a bloody excuse first of all it's a snake I mean

02:10:26.340 those things are we already found out they're subtle and second it turns out that the damn snake

02:10:30.860 is satan himself you know and he's rather treacherous so the fact that she got tangled up in his mess

02:10:38.020 let's say is well problematic but it's a hell of a lot better excuse than adam has and the lord god

02:10:46.380 says unto the serpent because thou has done that done this thou art cursed above all cattle and above

02:10:51.100 every beast of the field upon thy belly shalt thou go and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life

02:10:58.740 and snakes by the way are lizards that lost their legs just so you know and I will put enmity between

02:11:05.920 thee and the woman and between thy seed and her seed it shall bruise thy head and thou shalt bruise his

02:11:12.220 heel I love these pictures they're so smart and again strip the religious context from them and

02:11:19.960 just look at them for a second what do you see you see the eternal mother holding her infant away

02:11:27.660 from the snake see it down there right crocodile snake everything predatory that's been after us for

02:11:39.240 like 60 million years the reason we're here is because of that that's why it's a sacred image

02:11:45.000 now this one I like even better see down there there's something like the moon and then there's

02:11:51.700 this reptile down there that Eve is standing on this is really old and I showed you this before but

02:11:56.600 I think it's so cool she's coming out of this thing that's like a hole in the sky you know because

02:12:00.740 it indicates the eternal re-presence of this figure it's something like that the eternal recurrence of

02:12:06.880 this figure it's an archetype but then the the the potential out of which she is emerging these are

02:12:12.600 all musical instruments back here and so what the artist is representing is the great patterned

02:12:18.260 complexity of being and the emergence of of the protective mother from that background protecting

02:12:25.080 the infant eternally against predation it's like how can that not be a holy image if it isn't a holy

02:12:31.420 image if you don't think it's a holy image then there isn't something wrong with the image

02:12:34.760 there's something wrong with the perceiver

02:12:37.340 unto the woman he said well and God's just outlining the consequences of this right now

02:12:43.980 it's like okay well now you've gone and done it you've woken up this is what's going to happen

02:12:48.020 I'll greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception and sorrow thou shalt bring forth children

02:12:54.040 and thy desire shall be to thy husband and he shall rule over thee it doesn't say he should

02:13:00.260 says he will and why in sorrow shall they'll bring forth children well when you develop a brain that

02:13:09.400 big so that you can see it's not that easy to give birth anymore and then you produce something

02:13:17.220 that's dependent beyond belief and that's one of the things that you would say dooms you to precisely

02:13:23.160 this so that's eve's punishment for waking up and adam because thou has hearkened unto the voice of thy

02:13:31.680 wife and has eaten of the tree of which i commanded thee saying thou shalt not eat it cursed is the ground

02:13:36.460 for thy sake and sorrow shall thou eat of it in all the days of thy life what's that it's the invention

02:13:42.760 of work thorns and thistles shall it bring forth to thee and thou shalt eat the herb of the field

02:13:48.840 it's the invention of work what do people do that animals don't work what does work mean means you

02:13:55.440 sacrifice the present for the future and why do you do that because you know you're vulnerable

02:14:00.120 and because you're awake and so from here on in from this point there's no return to unconscious

02:14:05.500 paradise i don't care how many problems you've solved so that today's okay you've got a lot of

02:14:10.360 problems coming up and no bloody matter how much you work you're never going to work enough to solve

02:14:14.520 them and so all you're going to do from here on in is be terrified of the future and that's the

02:14:19.200 price of waking up and that's the end of paradise and that's the beginning of history and that's how

02:14:24.080 that story goes in the sweat of thy face shall thou eat bread till thou return unto the ground for out

02:14:31.620 of it was thou taken for dust thou art and unto dust thou shall return and adam called his wife's name

02:14:38.940 eve because she was the mother of all living unto adam also and unto his wife did the lord god make

02:14:47.040 coats of skin and clothed them that's william blake by the way and the lord god said behold the man has

02:14:53.680 become as one of us to know good and evil and now lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree

02:14:57.880 of life and eat and live forever i'll go over this again next week therefore the lord god sent him

02:15:05.280 from the fourth forth from the garden of eden to till the ground from whence he was taken so he drove

02:15:09.480 out the man and he placed at the east of the garden of eden cherubims and a flaming sword which turned

02:15:14.480 every way to keep the way of the tree of life one more thing and then we'll stop so i thought why in

02:15:21.240 the world so adam and eve are tempted by the snake they eat the fruit they wake up they realize they're

02:15:28.780 naked they realize that they're vulnerable they realize the future they realize they're going to die

02:15:33.980 they realize that they have to work it accounts for difficulty in conception and the fall of

02:15:39.760 humankind from unconscious paradise okay that makes sense what about the knowledge of good and evil

02:15:46.320 what in the world does that mean the mesopotamians believed that human beings were made out of the

02:15:53.580 blood of king who was the worst monster that time at who was the goddess of chaos could imagine and then

02:16:00.020 produce so their idea was that whatever it was about humanity there was something deeply deeply deeply

02:16:06.600 demonically flawed

02:16:08.100 so that's their conception and it's out of that same milieu that these stories emerge

02:16:16.480 so what is opening your eyes and realizing your vulnerability have to do with the knowledge of

02:16:22.100 good and evil really i thought about that i really thought about that i got to tell you i thought about

02:16:26.100 that for like 20 years because i knew there was something there that i could not put together

02:16:29.500 and at the same time i was i was reading things i'm going to tell you something truly awful and

02:16:36.000 so if you need a trigger warning you're you're getting one and and believe me i do not give trigger

02:16:40.960 warnings lightly so i'm going to tell you something you will never forget so this is what unit 731 used

02:16:46.920 to do in china it's a japanese unit during the first second world war right as far as i can tell

02:16:52.360 they did the most horrific things that were done to anyone during world war ii and that's really

02:16:56.860 something so this is what they did

02:16:58.820 they took their prisoners

02:17:02.620 and they would put them in a position so that their arms would freeze solid

02:17:09.100 and then they would take them outside

02:17:11.700 and pour hot water over their arms

02:17:14.440 and then they would repeat that

02:17:16.500 till the flesh came off the bones

02:17:18.500 and they were doing that to investigate the treatment of frostbite for soldiers

02:17:24.160 now you can look up unit 731 if you want to have nightmares

02:17:27.700 so that's unit 731

02:17:30.180 that's human beings

02:17:31.980 someone thought that up

02:17:33.620 and then people did it

02:17:35.600 that's knowledge of good and evil

02:17:39.100 here's the here's the key man

02:17:41.520 you know you're vulnerable

02:17:44.140 no other animal knows that

02:17:46.100 you know what hurts you

02:17:47.880 because you're vulnerable

02:17:49.880 and now that you know what hurts you

02:17:51.700 you can figure out what hurts someone else

02:17:55.240 and as soon as you know what hurts someone else

02:17:58.400 and you can use that

02:17:59.600 you have the knowledge of good and evil

02:18:01.500 well it's a pretty good trick that the snake pulled

02:18:04.300 because it doesn't look like it's exactly the sort of thing that we might have wanted

02:18:07.120 if we would have known what the consequence was

02:18:09.160 but as soon as a human being is self-conscious

02:18:11.660 and aware of his own nakedness

02:18:13.620 then he has the capacity for evil

02:18:15.360 and that's introduced into the world

02:18:17.580 right at that point

02:18:18.740 and here's the rest of the story

02:18:20.360 so there's the snake right

02:18:23.100 and you're some tree dwelling primate

02:18:24.780 and the snake eats you

02:18:25.680 and that sucks

02:18:26.720 so let's like

02:18:27.420 let's watch out for the damn snakes

02:18:29.180 and then you think

02:18:30.100 well wait a minute

02:18:30.580 your brain grows

02:18:31.520 and you think

02:18:31.820 wait a minute

02:18:32.180 well there's not just

02:18:33.440 a snake

02:18:34.560 there's where snakes live

02:18:35.600 why don't we just

02:18:36.160 get the hell out of the tree

02:18:37.420 and go hunt down the snakes

02:18:38.400 and get rid of them

02:18:38.980 so those are sort of like potential snakes

02:18:40.980 and so the snake becomes potential snake

02:18:43.740 and it's the same circuit that you're using to do this thinking

02:18:46.280 and then

02:18:46.580 you get rid of the damn snakes

02:18:48.080 it's like

02:18:48.620 saint patrick chases them out of ireland

02:18:51.420 no more snakes

02:18:52.220 everything's paradise

02:18:53.200 it's like

02:18:53.660 no no no

02:18:54.740 that's not

02:18:55.240 that's not how it works at all

02:18:56.540 well now you've got

02:18:57.200 the human snakes

02:18:58.400 you're a tribe

02:18:59.400 you've got tribal enemies

02:19:00.740 you've got to defend yourself against

02:19:03.040 the human snakes

02:19:04.520 right

02:19:05.100 so maybe

02:19:05.560 your empire expands

02:19:07.720 and you get rid of all the human snakes

02:19:09.120 and then what happens

02:19:10.560 well they start to grow

02:19:12.120 develop inside

02:19:12.860 it's like

02:19:13.500 you get rid of all the external enemies

02:19:15.520 and you make a big city

02:19:16.440 and all of a sudden

02:19:17.340 there's enemies that pop up inside

02:19:19.380 because

02:19:19.740 the snake isn't just

02:19:21.120 the snake in the garden

02:19:21.960 and the snake isn't just

02:19:22.880 the possible snake

02:19:23.880 and the snake isn't just

02:19:25.000 the snake that's your enemy

02:19:26.080 the snake is your friend

02:19:27.980 right

02:19:30.020 because your friend can betray you

02:19:31.460 and then it's even worse than that

02:19:33.080 because you can betray you

02:19:35.260 and so even if you get rid of

02:19:36.840 all the outside snakes

02:19:37.860 you've got an inside snake

02:19:39.720 and God only knows

02:19:41.060 what it's up to

02:19:41.840 and that's why

02:19:43.260 the bloody Christians

02:19:44.520 associated the snake

02:19:45.880 in the garden of Eden

02:19:46.620 with Satan

02:19:47.320 it's unbelievably brilliant

02:19:49.960 because

02:19:50.920 you've got to think

02:19:51.740 what's the enemy

02:19:52.800 well it's the snake

02:19:54.400 fair enough

02:19:55.100 but you know

02:19:56.240 that's good if you're

02:19:56.980 a tree dwelling primate

02:19:57.980 but if you're a sophisticated

02:19:59.240 human being

02:20:00.200 you know

02:20:00.800 with six million years

02:20:01.840 of additional evolution

02:20:03.040 and you're really trying to

02:20:04.360 solve the problem

02:20:05.680 of what it is

02:20:06.480 that's the great enemy

02:20:07.680 of mankind

02:20:08.340 well it's the human propensity

02:20:10.540 for evil

02:20:11.080 right

02:20:12.100 as such

02:20:12.940 well that's the figure

02:20:14.760 of Satan

02:20:15.440 that's what that figure means

02:20:16.820 just like there's a logos

02:20:17.960 that's the truth

02:20:19.020 that speaks

02:20:19.820 order

02:20:20.680 out of chaos

02:20:22.460 at the beginning of time

02:20:23.500 there's an

02:20:24.360 antithetical spirit

02:20:25.960 the hostile brother

02:20:27.360 that's Cain to Abel

02:20:28.740 which we'll talk to

02:20:29.480 talk about next week

02:20:30.580 that's doing exactly

02:20:31.740 the opposite

02:20:32.320 it's motivated

02:20:34.820 by absolutely

02:20:35.980 nothing but malevolence

02:20:37.420 and the willingness

02:20:37.980 to destroy

02:20:38.680 and it has

02:20:39.620 every reason

02:20:40.680 for doing so

02:20:41.680 and that's

02:20:45.160 what's revealed

02:20:46.560 in the next story

02:20:47.240 in Cain and Abel

02:20:47.940 in one paragraph

02:20:49.120 the first glimmerings

02:20:51.180 of that

02:20:51.540 outside of the strange

02:20:52.840 insistence

02:20:53.540 by the Christian mystics

02:20:55.420 let's say

02:20:55.920 on the identity

02:20:56.920 between the snake

02:20:57.840 in the Garden of Eden

02:20:58.600 and the author

02:20:59.720 of all evil

02:21:00.680 himself

02:21:01.240 okay so we only have

02:21:10.600 15 minutes today

02:21:11.760 I wanted to finish that

02:21:14.080 so

02:21:14.320 apologies for going over

02:21:16.900 a little longer

02:21:17.560 all right

02:21:19.580 hi Dr. Peterson

02:21:21.680 over the last couple weeks

02:21:23.440 and further back

02:21:24.240 you talk a lot about

02:21:25.200 consciousness

02:21:25.760 and the importance of it

02:21:27.020 and I was hoping

02:21:27.960 to get your opinion

02:21:28.780 on an issue of consciousness

02:21:30.060 that has often seen

02:21:31.680 Christianity

02:21:32.200 among other groups

02:21:33.240 and politics

02:21:34.480 kind of clash

02:21:36.180 so I'm hoping

02:21:36.600 to get your views

02:21:37.500 on the consciousness

02:21:38.800 or lack thereof

02:21:39.880 of a human fetus

02:21:40.940 and how that's

02:21:42.340 impacted your views

02:21:43.280 on abortion

02:21:43.780 whatever they are

02:21:44.740 thank you

02:21:54.560 thank you

02:21:54.580 thank you

02:21:55.000 I'm very

02:21:55.380 abortion is clearly wrong

02:21:59.900 I don't think anybody

02:22:02.340 debates that

02:22:03.000 you wouldn't recommend

02:22:04.480 that someone

02:22:05.040 that you love

02:22:05.720 have one

02:22:06.360 okay now

02:22:08.480 having

02:22:09.460 clarified that

02:22:10.900 that mere statement

02:22:13.680 doesn't eliminate

02:22:14.360 the complexity

02:22:15.040 of the situation

02:22:16.320 the first question is

02:22:19.240 should everything wrong

02:22:20.760 be illegal

02:22:21.360 that's a tough question

02:22:23.660 everything that's wrong

02:22:25.520 isn't illegal

02:22:26.220 then there's the

02:22:27.840 additional complication

02:22:28.840 of the difference

02:22:31.940 let's say

02:22:32.460 in gravity

02:22:35.540 regarding the problem

02:22:39.280 in relationship

02:22:39.860 to men and women

02:22:40.460 and we don't know

02:22:42.080 how to deal with that

02:22:42.860 having said that

02:22:44.700 I would say

02:22:45.160 that it's actually

02:22:45.760 the wrong question

02:22:47.000 there's something

02:22:49.320 Leonard Cohen said once

02:22:50.460 he said that

02:22:51.020 in a massacre

02:22:51.720 there's no decent

02:22:52.440 place to stand

02:22:53.300 and what he meant

02:22:54.860 by that was

02:22:55.500 sometimes

02:22:56.800 you're aware

02:22:57.880 there is no good

02:22:58.620 decision left

02:22:59.460 no matter what you do

02:23:01.360 it's wrong

02:23:01.840 so then the question is

02:23:05.120 how did you get there

02:23:05.960 well let's say

02:23:07.340 you're in a position

02:23:07.920 where you

02:23:08.340 are inclined

02:23:09.640 to seek an abortion

02:23:10.500 the question is

02:23:12.420 how did you get there

02:23:14.340 now

02:23:15.820 we have a lot

02:23:16.660 to straighten out

02:23:17.320 about

02:23:17.680 the sexual

02:23:19.140 relationships

02:23:19.880 between men and women

02:23:20.860 in the modern world

02:23:22.000 they're bent

02:23:23.700 and warped

02:23:24.300 and demented

02:23:24.820 out of shape

02:23:25.400 one of the things

02:23:25.960 I see with young people

02:23:26.860 for example

02:23:27.420 is that

02:23:28.240 they will engage

02:23:29.140 in sexual acts

02:23:29.860 with one another

02:23:30.380 that they would not

02:23:31.220 talk about

02:23:31.760 with one another

02:23:32.400 I mean

02:23:33.780 couples will do that

02:23:34.680 for that matter

02:23:35.200 like married couples

02:23:36.020 will do that

02:23:36.440 but

02:23:36.600 they're married

02:23:37.820 that's a different story

02:23:39.100 it seems to me

02:23:40.380 that if you

02:23:40.960 are willing to engage

02:23:42.040 in a sexual act

02:23:42.920 with someone

02:23:43.320 with whom you

02:23:43.980 would not discuss

02:23:44.820 that act

02:23:45.380 you probably put

02:23:46.180 the cart

02:23:46.540 before the horse

02:23:47.340 so

02:23:48.900 the discussion

02:23:51.040 regarding

02:23:52.260 the legality

02:23:53.520 of abortion

02:23:54.400 is nested inside

02:23:55.460 a larger discussion

02:23:56.800 about the

02:23:58.160 morality

02:23:59.180 of abortion

02:24:01.000 and that's

02:24:01.460 nested inside

02:24:02.580 a larger discussion

02:24:03.420 about

02:24:03.760 the proper place

02:24:05.540 of sexuality

02:24:06.260 and human behavior

02:24:07.300 and to me

02:24:08.600 that's the level

02:24:09.840 at which

02:24:10.320 the problem

02:24:10.940 needs to be addressed

02:24:12.020 now

02:24:13.320 I don't have

02:24:14.440 the answer to that

02:24:15.300 you know

02:24:15.900 because the old answer

02:24:17.020 was get married

02:24:17.900 that's a good answer

02:24:19.460 and it's an answer

02:24:20.580 that people

02:24:20.960 should still listen to

02:24:21.940 but

02:24:22.900 we'll put that aside

02:24:24.420 momentarily

02:24:25.020 I had a client

02:24:27.880 at one point

02:24:28.500 who was

02:24:28.920 I don't know

02:24:29.740 she was probably

02:24:30.440 I'm not

02:24:31.740 I'm going to disguise her

02:24:32.880 in a variety

02:24:33.580 of different ways

02:24:34.260 she was 27

02:24:35.800 20

02:24:36.180 thereabouts

02:24:37.120 had come from

02:24:37.620 a relatively

02:24:38.140 conservative

02:24:38.680 background

02:24:39.700 quite a timid

02:24:40.480 fearful person

02:24:41.520 and also

02:24:43.040 not very well

02:24:45.080 not sophisticated

02:24:46.040 in relationship

02:24:46.940 two relationships

02:24:48.000 and she'd never

02:24:49.280 had sex

02:24:49.900 well there's a bunch

02:24:51.260 of things she'd

02:24:51.740 never done

02:24:52.240 well

02:24:53.460 the answer

02:24:57.620 from me

02:24:58.800 to her

02:24:59.340 wasn't

02:25:00.320 continue to be

02:25:01.740 timid about

02:25:02.220 everything

02:25:02.680 because that wasn't

02:25:03.980 working out for her

02:25:04.800 she needed to go

02:25:06.360 have some adventures

02:25:07.280 now

02:25:08.860 sexual adventures

02:25:11.420 like other adventures

02:25:12.280 are dangerous

02:25:12.920 and so

02:25:14.440 you have to be

02:25:15.520 very careful

02:25:16.000 when you encourage

02:25:16.680 people to go out

02:25:17.320 and have adventures

02:25:17.960 but

02:25:18.580 too much

02:25:20.700 timidity

02:25:21.200 and caution

02:25:22.240 also constitutes

02:25:23.260 a pathway

02:25:24.320 to perdition

02:25:24.960 let's say

02:25:25.500 you can't just

02:25:27.840 say to people

02:25:28.440 in the modern world

02:25:29.380 well you

02:25:30.240 know sex

02:25:31.280 till you're married

02:25:32.000 unless you're

02:25:33.280 going to get married

02:25:33.780 when you're very young

02:25:34.620 and perhaps you should

02:25:35.760 I don't know

02:25:36.320 about that

02:25:36.980 but

02:25:37.960 I don't think

02:25:40.180 that we're mature

02:25:40.880 enough

02:25:41.280 as a culture

02:25:42.580 to have a serious

02:25:43.600 discussion about

02:25:44.340 sexual propriety

02:25:45.220 especially in the

02:25:46.000 aftermath of the

02:25:46.640 birth control pill

02:25:47.360 and we seriously

02:25:48.280 need to do that

02:25:49.100 and we haven't

02:25:50.160 and so I think

02:25:51.080 the eternal debate

02:25:52.820 about abortion

02:25:53.680 horrible as it is

02:25:54.740 is a

02:25:56.280 it's the surface

02:25:58.880 manifestation

02:25:59.500 of a much deeper

02:26:00.420 problem

02:26:00.900 now I talked a little

02:26:02.760 bit today about

02:26:03.540 the utility of marriage

02:26:04.880 like the spiritual

02:26:05.620 utility of marriage

02:26:06.580 and that's something

02:26:08.100 that I think

02:26:09.500 we're so immaturely

02:26:11.980 cynical as a culture

02:26:12.980 we're not wise enough

02:26:14.720 to look at an

02:26:15.260 institution like marriage

02:26:16.180 and to really think

02:26:16.860 about what it means

02:26:18.360 and what it signifies

02:26:19.180 it signifies

02:26:19.840 a place that people

02:26:21.480 can tie the ropes

02:26:22.260 of their lives together

02:26:23.060 so that they're stronger

02:26:23.980 it signifies a place

02:26:24.920 where people can tell

02:26:25.620 the truth to one another

02:26:26.460 it signifies a place

02:26:27.720 where sexuality

02:26:28.680 can properly be

02:26:29.940 integrated into life

02:26:30.900 that's no easy

02:26:31.840 that's no easy task

02:26:33.280 it's a place where

02:26:34.480 children

02:26:34.840 at least in principle

02:26:35.880 can be put first

02:26:36.820 and foremost

02:26:37.360 as they should be

02:26:38.260 once they exist

02:26:39.260 and so

02:26:40.280 there's a much broader

02:26:41.580 discussion

02:26:43.660 that has to happen

02:26:44.600 I think before

02:26:45.560 any concentration

02:26:47.700 on the legality

02:26:48.700 of abortion

02:26:49.280 is liable to get

02:26:50.040 anywhere at all

02:26:50.680 that's what it looks

02:26:51.900 like to me

02:26:52.460 so that's the best

02:26:53.800 I can do with that

02:26:54.560 question

02:26:55.320 hi Dr. Peterson

02:27:06.700 earlier you showed

02:27:08.560 a picture of

02:27:09.540 Foxy and Nua

02:27:10.480 yeah right

02:27:11.300 yeah and

02:27:11.940 Osiris

02:27:13.360 and in your

02:27:14.620 Maps of Meaning lectures

02:27:15.440 you also explain

02:27:18.020 that cultures

02:27:18.620 around the world

02:27:19.320 have these

02:27:20.140 twin snakes

02:27:21.000 yeah they're everywhere

02:27:21.940 man

02:27:22.300 yeah and so

02:27:23.080 you mention

02:27:23.920 that you believe

02:27:25.320 this is a representation

02:27:26.360 of DNA

02:27:27.020 you would bring

02:27:28.260 that up too

02:27:28.760 Jesus what is it

02:27:29.500 with you guys

02:27:30.020 tonight

02:27:30.360 yeah well yeah

02:27:32.380 no I wouldn't say

02:27:33.220 I believe that

02:27:33.860 I have my suspicions

02:27:35.200 that that might be it

02:27:36.280 yeah because

02:27:36.880 believe is too strong

02:27:38.100 a word but those

02:27:38.760 representations are

02:27:39.740 everywhere

02:27:40.160 and read this book

02:27:43.280 this is a good one

02:27:44.160 oh man now I have

02:27:46.200 to remember the book

02:27:46.900 it's by an anthropologist

02:27:48.680 who went down to

02:27:49.400 the Amazon jungle

02:27:50.440 and experimented

02:27:51.340 intensively with

02:27:52.120 ayahuasca

02:27:52.680 I think it's called

02:27:53.900 the cosmic serpent

02:27:54.740 I think that's the

02:27:55.840 name of the book

02:27:56.360 you could read that

02:27:57.440 there's another one

02:27:58.240 called breaking open

02:27:59.060 the head

02:27:59.460 which is also

02:28:00.060 pretty damn

02:28:00.640 interesting

02:28:01.140 and there's something

02:28:02.560 to those books

02:28:03.960 I mean

02:28:04.720 the cosmic serpent

02:28:06.080 kind of goes off

02:28:06.860 on a bit of a tangent

02:28:07.820 I would say

02:28:08.360 although breaking

02:28:08.860 open the head

02:28:09.460 is it's better

02:28:10.420 better

02:28:11.960 it seems to stay

02:28:14.580 more constrained

02:28:15.280 and tight

02:28:15.780 but there's

02:28:16.840 we don't know

02:28:19.620 the limits

02:28:20.000 of our perception

02:28:20.800 especially under

02:28:21.960 certain conditions

02:28:22.720 and I think

02:28:23.760 people have had

02:28:24.300 intimations of

02:28:25.600 DNA as the

02:28:27.520 cosmic serpent

02:28:28.180 forever

02:28:28.900 so

02:28:30.380 yeah

02:28:31.480 but that's

02:28:33.200 like

02:28:33.560 that's way out

02:28:35.120 on the

02:28:35.820 frontiers of my

02:28:37.040 knowledge

02:28:37.440 right

02:28:37.700 like

02:28:37.980 I'm guessing

02:28:39.460 in a dreamlike

02:28:40.440 way when I'm

02:28:41.200 making statements

02:28:42.080 like that

02:28:42.640 because you didn't

02:28:43.740 mention that you

02:28:44.260 did believe it

02:28:45.360 and that there

02:28:45.880 were sort of

02:28:46.780 maybe

02:28:47.280 some dreams

02:28:49.620 and interpretations

02:28:51.100 that might have

02:28:52.120 emerged

02:28:52.400 but I don't see

02:28:53.040 how we could

02:28:53.920 have perceived

02:28:54.560 DNA as it is

02:28:56.020 well

02:28:56.620 yes

02:28:57.220 we didn't

02:28:58.620 objectively

02:28:59.300 but I'm not so

02:29:00.140 sure we didn't

02:29:00.740 subjectively

02:29:01.480 but I mean

02:29:02.680 it's very strange

02:29:03.400 that these

02:29:03.820 double helixes

02:29:04.820 exist in so many

02:29:05.740 places

02:29:06.080 and that they're

02:29:06.580 often utilized

02:29:07.220 as healing

02:29:07.720 symbols

02:29:08.160 with the snake

02:29:09.380 so

02:29:10.340 anyways

02:29:11.960 like I said

02:29:12.580 that's

02:29:13.020 what do you

02:29:14.060 call that

02:29:14.540 I'm

02:29:15.560 it's not

02:29:18.660 hypothesizing

02:29:19.440 it's one thing

02:29:19.960 worse than that

02:29:20.700 speculating

02:29:21.560 those are

02:29:22.180 speculations

02:29:22.860 I'm

02:29:23.240 I'm operating

02:29:23.980 at the edge

02:29:24.620 of my

02:29:24.980 understanding

02:29:25.600 but

02:29:26.480 our perceptions

02:29:28.780 can

02:29:29.180 are very mutable

02:29:30.140 and they can

02:29:30.960 we can see

02:29:32.140 things under

02:29:32.640 some conditions

02:29:33.260 that you

02:29:34.100 wouldn't think

02:29:34.500 that anybody

02:29:34.920 could see

02:29:35.440 so

02:29:36.140 okay

02:29:37.660 yep

02:29:38.120 applause

02:29:40.120 applause

02:29:41.120 so

02:29:45.560 I

02:29:46.400 was

02:29:46.780 just

02:29:47.000 starting

02:29:47.220 to have a

02:29:47.760 thought

02:29:48.020 while you

02:29:48.380 were talking

02:29:48.780 about

02:29:49.160 sort of

02:29:50.160 getting to the

02:29:50.560 end of the

02:29:50.880 talk about

02:29:51.300 the snake

02:29:52.340 and the apple

02:29:53.180 and so on

02:29:53.640 so

02:29:54.280 what you're

02:29:56.480 saying is

02:29:56.840 the moment

02:29:57.340 that

02:29:57.860 Adam and

02:30:00.540 Eve eat the

02:30:01.180 apple

02:30:01.480 they become

02:30:01.980 nervous or

02:30:02.800 whatever

02:30:03.020 so that's

02:30:03.380 awareness of

02:30:03.920 their own

02:30:04.260 vulnerability

02:30:04.720 so then

02:30:05.300 like you

02:30:05.560 said

02:30:05.700 it's also

02:30:06.060 awareness of

02:30:06.680 their own

02:30:07.380 capacity

02:30:07.880 to do

02:30:08.340 harm

02:30:08.700 so it's

02:30:09.620 like when

02:30:09.940 they're

02:30:10.160 eating the

02:30:10.520 apple

02:30:10.740 then that's

02:30:11.660 them

02:30:12.040 their immediate

02:30:13.500 sort of

02:30:14.260 nervous reaction

02:30:15.960 is because

02:30:16.860 they ate

02:30:17.280 the apple

02:30:17.640 and they

02:30:17.900 kind of

02:30:18.720 became evil

02:30:19.600 in that

02:30:19.960 moment

02:30:20.280 or something

02:30:20.640 like that

02:30:21.100 well they

02:30:21.820 woke up

02:30:22.340 and because

02:30:22.900 they woke

02:30:23.720 up and

02:30:24.080 realized how

02:30:24.680 they could

02:30:25.040 be hurt

02:30:25.500 how they

02:30:25.960 could and

02:30:26.440 would be

02:30:26.940 hurt

02:30:27.220 over the

02:30:27.660 upcoming

02:30:28.980 over time

02:30:30.500 it's the

02:30:31.580 same as

02:30:31.900 the discovery

02:30:32.420 of your

02:30:32.960 own

02:30:34.160 nakedness

02:30:34.780 and the

02:30:35.520 discovery

02:30:35.920 of time

02:30:36.640 are very

02:30:37.100 very similar

02:30:37.720 phenomena

02:30:38.280 well you

02:30:38.880 know if

02:30:39.320 you have to

02:30:39.680 just consult

02:30:40.360 your evil

02:30:40.840 fantasies

02:30:41.520 it's like

02:30:41.940 what will

02:30:42.360 really hurt

02:30:42.780 him

02:30:42.900 oh yeah

02:30:43.420 that would

02:30:43.740 work

02:30:44.000 it's like

02:30:44.440 how do

02:30:44.660 you know

02:30:44.880 that

02:30:45.300 well you

02:30:45.900 just think

02:30:46.340 about it

02:30:46.800 what would

02:30:47.740 happen if

02:30:48.080 that happened

02:30:48.420 to me

02:30:48.740 that would

02:30:49.160 hurt

02:30:49.420 oh yeah

02:30:49.960 that'll

02:30:50.460 work

02:30:50.740 it'll hurt

02:30:51.760 him or

02:30:52.200 her

02:30:52.520 and you

02:30:53.320 know

02:30:53.460 you probably

02:30:54.260 think that

02:30:54.720 way twice

02:30:55.180 a week

02:30:55.560 or maybe

02:30:55.920 twice a

02:30:56.460 day

02:30:56.860 Jesus

02:30:57.240 every time

02:30:57.660 you have

02:30:57.840 an argument

02:30:58.140 with someone

02:30:58.700 all you have

02:30:59.260 to do is

02:30:59.500 look at

02:30:59.860 the back

02:31:00.200 of your

02:31:00.460 mind

02:31:00.900 a little

02:31:01.600 bit

02:31:06.640 generating

02:31:07.200 constantly

02:31:08.800 it's like

02:31:09.380 you know

02:31:10.040 in a back

02:31:10.680 and forth

02:31:10.980 discussion

02:31:11.540 particularly

02:31:12.260 with people

02:31:12.820 you love

02:31:13.340 it's like

02:31:13.680 you're always

02:31:13.980 looking for

02:31:14.360 a place

02:31:14.700 to put

02:31:15.780 the knife

02:31:16.180 in

02:31:16.460 so then

02:31:17.540 it seems

02:31:18.280 really similar

02:31:18.780 to me

02:31:19.080 it seems

02:31:19.700 like they're

02:31:20.080 kind of

02:31:20.340 discovering

02:31:20.780 the kind

02:31:21.440 of like

02:31:21.680 union

02:31:21.960 shadow

02:31:22.440 within

02:31:22.740 themselves

02:31:23.080 so that

02:31:23.380 that is

02:31:23.760 the moment

02:31:24.180 where it

02:31:24.540 got introduced

02:31:25.480 into the

02:31:26.000 human spirit

02:31:26.680 sure

02:31:27.400 one of the

02:31:27.900 things about

02:31:28.440 the shadow

02:31:29.760 is that it's

02:31:30.360 also when

02:31:31.420 you integrate

02:31:31.980 that that's

02:31:32.460 what makes

02:31:32.780 you a

02:31:33.080 substantial

02:31:33.520 person

02:31:34.060 right

02:31:34.580 so it's

02:31:36.120 like it

02:31:36.880 seems to

02:31:37.280 me that

02:31:37.560 on one

02:31:37.860 hand

02:31:38.040 well it

02:31:38.400 seems like

02:31:39.060 this tragedy

02:31:39.600 that Satan

02:31:40.200 the most

02:31:40.640 evil

02:31:40.960 the father

02:31:41.980 of evil

02:31:42.380 whatever

02:31:42.680 has introduced

02:31:43.820 into people

02:31:44.560 but it also

02:31:45.240 seems like

02:31:45.820 without that

02:31:46.760 shadow

02:31:47.220 that people

02:31:48.100 are kind

02:31:49.180 of insubstantial

02:31:50.160 so

02:31:51.280 yeah well

02:31:52.400 right

02:31:53.040 right

02:31:53.400 I mean

02:31:53.620 like

02:31:54.220 I said

02:31:55.820 that there's

02:31:56.500 been a multitude

02:31:57.100 of interpretations

02:31:57.960 emerge

02:31:58.520 as a consequence

02:32:00.200 of that story

02:32:00.900 what was God

02:32:01.640 up to

02:32:02.040 was God

02:32:03.120 in fact

02:32:03.620 evil

02:32:03.940 the initial

02:32:04.460 God

02:32:04.880 like

02:32:05.440 why would

02:32:06.400 he create

02:32:06.920 a snake

02:32:07.400 why would

02:32:07.940 he put

02:32:08.160 it in

02:32:08.380 the garden

02:32:08.720 why would

02:32:09.380 there be

02:32:09.600 these trees

02:32:10.200 what the hell

02:32:11.080 is going on

02:32:11.920 with the whole

02:32:12.340 Satan thing

02:32:13.060 you know

02:32:13.820 it's very very

02:32:14.660 problematic

02:32:15.200 well

02:32:15.800 we'll talk

02:32:16.540 about it

02:32:16.880 more

02:32:17.140 and this

02:32:19.260 again is

02:32:19.960 let's call

02:32:20.880 it speculation

02:32:21.660 well

02:32:23.100 if you want

02:32:26.920 to make

02:32:27.140 something strong

02:32:27.760 you test it

02:32:28.600 and maybe

02:32:30.460 and maybe

02:32:30.480 if you want

02:32:30.860 to make

02:32:31.060 something

02:32:31.320 ultimately

02:32:31.720 strong

02:32:32.100 you test

02:32:32.820 it

02:32:32.980 ultimately

02:32:33.460 and I

02:32:35.400 think

02:32:35.680 that there's

02:32:36.160 an aspect

02:32:36.840 of being

02:32:37.720 that has

02:32:38.920 that element

02:32:39.580 is that

02:32:40.840 human beings

02:32:41.380 are tested

02:32:42.160 ultimately

02:32:42.820 it's partly

02:32:44.840 because we

02:32:45.220 know good

02:32:45.660 and evil

02:32:46.340 now

02:32:46.820 and so

02:32:47.500 that's the

02:32:48.000 landscape

02:32:48.440 in which

02:32:48.940 we exist

02:32:49.580 so you

02:32:50.020 could say

02:32:50.420 the landscape

02:32:51.780 is a cross

02:32:52.620 it's chaos

02:32:53.420 and order

02:32:53.860 and it's good

02:32:54.620 and evil

02:32:54.980 and we're stuck

02:32:55.680 in the middle

02:32:56.100 between those

02:32:56.640 two things

02:32:57.020 it's a very

02:32:57.520 common theme

02:32:58.180 by the way

02:32:58.520 in video games

02:32:59.180 exactly that

02:32:59.940 chaos

02:33:00.540 order

02:33:00.980 good

02:33:01.480 evil

02:33:01.760 it's the

02:33:02.400 it's the

02:33:02.780 basic plot

02:33:03.320 of endless

02:33:03.720 video games

02:33:04.360 and that's

02:33:04.900 perhaps because

02:33:05.400 it's the

02:33:05.720 basic plot

02:33:06.380 those are the

02:33:07.760 things we have

02:33:08.320 to contend

02:33:08.820 with

02:33:09.100 well

02:33:10.020 I had a

02:33:11.460 vision once

02:33:12.040 I shouldn't

02:33:12.580 tell you this

02:33:13.160 but I will

02:33:13.980 anyways

02:33:14.340 I had a

02:33:15.540 vision once

02:33:16.000 that I

02:33:16.500 went to

02:33:16.840 heaven

02:33:17.040 and I

02:33:17.900 was put

02:33:18.320 in a

02:33:18.760 in a

02:33:20.180 Roman

02:33:20.420 amphitheater

02:33:21.060 with Satan

02:33:22.340 just like

02:33:23.440 Thor

02:33:23.880 encountering

02:33:25.600 the Hulk

02:33:26.020 right

02:33:26.260 that's coming

02:33:26.740 up in that

02:33:27.140 new Avengers

02:33:27.600 movie

02:33:27.960 and so

02:33:28.980 that was

02:33:29.460 rather a

02:33:29.900 shock

02:33:30.160 because I

02:33:30.460 thought that

02:33:30.740 was a hell

02:33:31.020 of a thing

02:33:31.320 to happen

02:33:31.700 in heaven

02:33:32.180 and so I

02:33:33.100 had this

02:33:33.520 battle

02:33:34.340 and I won

02:33:35.840 and at the

02:33:36.620 end I

02:33:36.960 came up

02:33:37.740 to God

02:33:38.200 and said

02:33:38.540 you know

02:33:39.020 what's with

02:33:40.080 the whole

02:33:40.460 Roman amphitheater

02:33:43.120 thing there

02:33:43.660 it seemed like

02:33:44.160 a bit over the

02:33:44.860 top to me

02:33:45.560 I said

02:33:46.260 why would you

02:33:46.700 put me in a

02:33:47.520 ring with

02:33:48.360 something like

02:33:48.980 that

02:33:49.280 and he said

02:33:50.340 because I

02:33:50.760 knew you

02:33:51.040 could win

02:33:51.440 and you know

02:33:53.840 I don't know

02:33:54.200 what to make

02:33:54.600 of that

02:33:54.940 one thing

02:33:57.780 I should

02:33:58.200 make of it

02:33:59.140 is I

02:33:59.360 shouldn't

02:33:59.720 tell you

02:34:00.240 but whatever

02:34:00.840 but you

02:34:02.520 know

02:34:02.720 there's

02:34:03.840 something

02:34:04.140 to that

02:34:05.560 in my

02:34:05.920 estimation

02:34:06.440 it's like

02:34:06.960 do you

02:34:08.360 protect the

02:34:08.900 people you

02:34:09.280 love or

02:34:09.600 do you

02:34:09.800 try to

02:34:10.060 make them

02:34:10.340 strong

02:34:10.800 so you

02:34:12.140 think it's

02:34:12.540 that

02:34:12.740 it's not

02:34:13.440 that we

02:34:13.900 have like

02:34:14.520 Satan to

02:34:15.060 thank for

02:34:15.400 making us

02:34:15.900 substantial

02:34:16.480 it's that

02:34:16.960 God

02:34:17.640 gave us

02:34:19.060 Satan in

02:34:19.900 order to

02:34:20.280 make us

02:34:20.660 substantial

02:34:21.180 well I'd

02:34:22.100 hesitate to

02:34:22.700 say that

02:34:23.120 because you

02:34:23.560 know it's

02:34:23.900 it's so

02:34:24.220 cut and

02:34:24.680 dried

02:34:25.040 but I

02:34:26.220 would say

02:34:26.560 that

02:34:26.780 there's a

02:34:27.860 that's a

02:34:28.720 strong

02:34:29.220 underlying

02:34:29.920 theme in

02:34:30.700 the biblical

02:34:31.100 narrative

02:34:31.580 yes

02:34:32.360 now it's

02:34:34.200 certainly not

02:34:34.720 the only

02:34:35.200 theme

02:34:35.560 it's not

02:34:36.120 the only

02:34:36.440 interpretation

02:34:37.040 by any

02:34:37.460 stretch of

02:34:37.800 the imagination

02:34:38.300 but there is

02:34:39.400 something there

02:34:39.940 and there's

02:34:40.180 something there

02:34:40.580 you know at

02:34:40.880 the end

02:34:41.100 we didn't

02:34:41.380 talk about

02:34:41.740 this

02:34:41.940 God puts

02:34:43.420 up this

02:34:43.820 flaming sword

02:34:44.980 and these

02:34:45.800 cherubim to

02:34:46.400 keep you

02:34:46.880 away from

02:34:47.620 the tree of

02:34:48.040 life

02:34:48.320 it's like

02:34:48.660 it seems

02:34:49.400 if paradise

02:34:52.120 and immortality

02:34:53.040 are the

02:34:53.400 promised land

02:34:54.140 then what's

02:34:55.080 with the

02:34:55.480 whole flaming

02:34:56.660 angel and

02:34:57.320 sword thing

02:34:57.920 we could have

02:34:58.320 just had the

02:34:58.860 damn fruit

02:34:59.520 5,000 years

02:35:01.060 ago and not

02:35:01.600 bothered with

02:35:02.140 the problem

02:35:02.700 well it

02:35:04.200 seems to me

02:35:04.840 that there's

02:35:05.440 something like

02:35:06.100 I don't know

02:35:07.740 what it is

02:35:08.300 consciousness

02:35:09.780 through tragedy

02:35:10.780 clarity

02:35:11.480 through suffering

02:35:12.360 maybe something

02:35:13.340 like that

02:35:13.880 or maybe

02:35:14.660 the perfection

02:35:15.980 that lurks

02:35:17.180 as a potential

02:35:18.040 in the future

02:35:18.600 is something

02:35:19.000 that has to be

02:35:19.600 earned rather

02:35:20.200 than given

02:35:20.740 maybe it has

02:35:21.640 no value

02:35:22.180 without free

02:35:22.800 choice

02:35:23.300 maybe we have

02:35:24.420 to distinguish

02:35:25.020 between good

02:35:25.680 and evil

02:35:25.980 now that we

02:35:26.400 have the capacity

02:35:27.080 to actually

02:35:27.720 apprehend them

02:35:28.680 maybe that's

02:35:29.760 what life

02:35:30.080 is about

02:35:30.560 maybe that's

02:35:31.460 the separating

02:35:32.040 of the wheat

02:35:32.500 from the chaff

02:35:33.100 see that's

02:35:33.580 the idea

02:35:33.860 in revelation

02:35:34.420 right

02:35:34.800 because when

02:35:35.500 Christ comes

02:35:36.100 back in the

02:35:36.600 book of

02:35:36.880 revelation

02:35:37.300 he divides

02:35:39.180 the damned

02:35:39.960 from the

02:35:40.360 saved

02:35:40.720 and the

02:35:41.720 saved

02:35:42.040 are the

02:35:42.320 people who

02:35:42.800 lived

02:35:43.420 in logos

02:35:44.300 roughly speaking

02:35:45.420 and the

02:35:45.940 damned are

02:35:46.400 those who

02:35:46.740 don't

02:35:47.140 and so

02:35:47.980 there's this

02:35:48.380 idea that

02:35:48.900 there's this

02:35:49.280 dynamic

02:35:49.960 that underlies

02:35:50.880 experience

02:35:51.700 that is in

02:35:52.680 fact that

02:35:53.180 sorting

02:35:53.680 now

02:35:55.340 I don't know

02:35:56.780 what to make

02:35:57.160 of that

02:35:57.560 at all

02:35:58.520 but that's

02:36:00.080 the story

02:36:01.100 but what I

02:36:02.540 can make of

02:36:03.120 that is that

02:36:03.660 I can't

02:36:06.000 put a

02:36:06.680 lever

02:36:06.960 underneath

02:36:07.400 the argument

02:36:08.100 that I

02:36:08.460 just made

02:36:09.360 tonight

02:36:09.940 about the

02:36:10.820 relationship

02:36:11.320 between

02:36:11.860 the development

02:36:13.060 of vision

02:36:13.520 the snake

02:36:14.480 the fruit

02:36:15.240 nakedness

02:36:16.280 time

02:36:17.340 the future

02:36:17.980 work

02:36:18.520 and most

02:36:19.580 importantly

02:36:20.020 the emergence

02:36:20.520 of evil

02:36:20.960 that seems

02:36:22.180 to me to be

02:36:22.740 I cannot

02:36:23.940 find a way

02:36:25.180 to undermine

02:36:26.440 that argument

02:36:27.080 it seems

02:36:27.940 I can't

02:36:29.860 break it

02:36:30.300 and that's

02:36:30.620 what I'm

02:36:30.860 always looking

02:36:31.280 for when

02:36:31.880 I'm trying

02:36:32.240 to formulate

02:36:32.740 ideas

02:36:33.160 I'm trying

02:36:33.520 to look

02:36:33.900 for something

02:36:34.340 that no

02:36:35.100 matter how

02:36:35.520 hard I

02:36:35.900 try

02:36:36.240 I cannot

02:36:36.780 break

02:36:37.320 and I

02:36:38.060 can't

02:36:38.300 break

02:36:38.500 that set

02:36:38.860 of ideas

02:36:39.340 now

02:36:40.220 what the

02:36:40.880 full

02:36:41.060 implication

02:36:41.600 is of

02:36:42.480 that set

02:36:42.860 of ideas

02:36:43.320 God only

02:36:44.320 knows

02:36:44.720 right

02:36:45.300 but I

02:36:46.920 could say

02:36:47.280 also

02:36:47.560 practically

02:36:48.140 you know

02:36:48.460 one of the

02:36:48.920 things that

02:36:49.340 I've observed

02:36:49.900 is that

02:36:50.620 lies and

02:36:52.540 deception

02:36:52.940 destroy

02:36:53.400 people's

02:36:53.880 lives

02:36:54.200 and when

02:36:55.300 they start

02:36:55.660 telling the

02:36:56.100 truth

02:36:56.320 and acting

02:36:56.760 it out

02:36:57.100 things get

02:36:58.360 a lot

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The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast - May 03, 2020

Biblical Series： Adam & Eve ⧸ Self-Consciousness, Evil, and Death

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