The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast - Genesis - Chaos and Order

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00:01:40.620 This is part two of the Psychological Significance of the Biblical Stories series that's running throughout the summer.

00:01:49.700 This lecture is entitled Genesis, Chaos and Order.

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00:02:19.720 Okay, well, I thought this time that I would actually cover some of the biblical stories.

00:02:26.820 So, and hopefully a number of them.

00:02:29.820 As I said last time, I'm going to go through this, well, as fast as I am able to.

00:02:35.760 I want to do it as complete a job as possible.

00:02:38.400 And, of course, the probability that I'll get through the entire Bible is very low.

00:02:43.000 But we'll get through a lot of the major stories in the beginning of it, and that's a good start.

00:02:47.160 And then, you know, assuming that this all goes well, then maybe I'll try to do the same thing again,

00:02:52.160 either in the fall or next year.

00:02:54.280 So, assuming I'm, that everything is still working out properly next year.

00:02:59.720 It's a long ways away.

00:03:01.260 All right, so, I guess we'll start.

00:03:08.400 So, last week, I talked to you about a line in the New Testament that was from John.

00:03:14.400 And it was a line that was designed to parallel the opening of Genesis.

00:03:18.000 And it's a really important line, and I thought I would re-emphasize it.

00:03:23.180 Because the Bible is a book that's been written forward and backwards in time, in some sense, like most books.

00:03:32.140 Because if you write a book, of course, when you get to the end, if you're the writer, you can adjust the beginning and so on.

00:03:36.660 And so, it has this odd, it has this appearance of linearity, but it really, it isn't linear.

00:03:42.200 It's like you're God, in some sense, standing outside of time.

00:03:45.920 That's your book, and you can play with time anywhere along it.

00:03:49.120 And the people who put the book together, or the books together, took full advantage of that.

00:03:56.320 And that makes the story, it gives the story odd parallels in many, many places, in a very large number of places.

00:04:05.660 And this is one of the major parallels, at least from the perspective of the Christian interpretation of the Bible.

00:04:12.140 Which, of course, includes the New Testament.

00:04:13.760 And so, there's this strange idea that Christ was the same factor or force that God used at the beginning of time to speak habitable order into being.

00:04:29.780 And that's a very, very strange idea.

00:04:31.620 You know, it's not something that can be just easily dismissed as superstition, partly because it's so strange.

00:04:38.400 It doesn't even fit the definition of, like, a superstitious belief.

00:04:44.340 It's a dream-like belief, in some sense.

00:04:47.100 And what I see many of the ideas in the Bible as is these dream-like ideas that underlie our normative cognition.

00:04:56.660 And that constitute the ground from which our more articulated and explicit ideas have emerged.

00:05:04.980 And this one's so complicated.

00:05:06.360 This idea is so complicated that it's still mostly embedded in dream-like form.

00:05:10.660 But it seems to have something to do with the primacy of consciousness.

00:05:13.480 And this is one of the biggest issues regarding the structure of reality, as far as I can tell.

00:05:19.340 Because everyone, from physicists to neurobiologists, debates this.

00:05:23.200 There's the stumbling block for a purely objective view of the world seems to me to be consciousness.

00:05:30.540 And consciousness has all sorts of strange properties.

00:05:33.000 For example, it isn't obvious what constitutes time, or at least duration, in the absence of consciousness.

00:05:39.700 And it isn't also easy to understand what constitutes being in the absence of consciousness.

00:05:46.100 Because it seems to be the case.

00:05:48.060 Well, if a movie is running and there's no one to watch it.

00:05:51.240 I know it sounds like the tree in the forest idea, but it's not that idea at all.

00:05:55.340 If a movie is running and no one's watching it, in what sense can you say that there's even a movie running?

00:06:02.940 Because the movie seems to be the experience of the movie, not the objective elements of the movie.

00:06:08.620 And there's something about the world, at least insofar as we're in it as human beings, that is dependent on conscious experience of the world.

00:06:18.600 Now, of course, you can take consciousness out of the world and say,

00:06:21.060 Well, if none of us were here, if there was no such thing as consciousness, then the cosmos would continue running the way it is running.

00:06:28.400 But, of course, it depends on what exactly you mean by the cosmos when you make a statement like that.

00:06:33.820 Because there's something about the subjective experience of reality that gives it reality.

00:06:39.740 Or at least that's one way of looking at it.

00:06:41.980 And since we're all pretty enamored of our own consciousnesses, although they're painful because they define our being,

00:06:48.000 it's not unreasonable to give consciousness a kind of metaphysical primacy.

00:06:53.480 Now, and it's deeper than that, you know, it's a deeper idea than that.

00:06:56.600 Because there are physicists, and they're not trivial physicists like John Wheeler,

00:07:00.820 who believes that in some sense consciousness plays a constitutive role in transforming the chaotic potential of being into the actuality of being.

00:07:10.060 And he actually thinks about it, he's not alive anymore, but he actually thought about it as playing a constitutive role.

00:07:16.620 You know, and then from the neurobiological perspective, or from the scientific perspective,

00:07:21.940 it's like consciousness is not something we understand.

00:07:24.420 I don't think we understand it at all.

00:07:26.360 It's something we can't get a handle on with our fundamental materialist philosophy.

00:07:30.840 And I don't know why that is.

00:07:32.380 It's quite frustrating if you're a scientist.

00:07:34.520 But it isn't clear to me that we've made any progress whatsoever in understanding consciousness,

00:07:39.240 even though, well, we've been trying to understand it for hundreds of years.

00:07:42.720 And even though psychologists and neurobiologists and so forth have really,

00:07:46.560 like, put a lot of effort into understanding consciousness from a scientific perspective in the last 50 years.

00:07:51.440 So, anyways, what it seems to me is the idea that God used the word to extract habitable order out of chaos at the beginning of time,

00:08:05.480 which is roughly the right way of thinking about it,

00:08:07.440 seems to me deeply allied with the idea that what it is that we do as human beings is encounter something like a formless and potential chaos.

00:08:16.900 I mean, we're not omniscient, obviously, and we can't just do whatever we want.

00:08:19.880 But we encounter a formless and chaotic potential.

00:08:23.740 That's always what we're grappling with.

00:08:26.180 And somehow, we use our consciousness to give that form.

00:08:29.560 And this is how people act.

00:08:31.420 Like, if you look at how they regard themselves, it's how they act.

00:08:35.300 Because you say things to people like, well, you should live up to your potential.

00:08:39.700 And you make a case that there's something about a person that's more than what is,

00:08:44.340 that yet could be, if only they participated in the process properly.

00:08:48.480 And everyone knows what that means.

00:08:50.120 And no one acts like a mystery has been uttered when you say that.

00:08:54.020 And, you know, you can see a situation in your own life that's full of potential.

00:08:57.880 You're often extremely excited when you encounter something that's full of potential.

00:09:01.940 Because what you see is something that could be, you see a future beckoning for you,

00:09:06.900 that could be, if only you interacted with it properly.

00:09:09.520 And it activates your nervous system, right, in a very basic way.

00:09:13.340 And we even understand how that happens to the degree that we understand how the nervous system works.

00:09:17.820 Because the systems that mediate positive emotion, which are governed roughly by the neurochemical dopamine,

00:09:25.880 and which have their roots way down in the ancient hypothalamus,

00:09:29.200 a very, very archaic and fundamental part of the brain,

00:09:32.380 that responds to potential, which is the possibility of accruing something new and valuable.

00:09:38.800 It responds to potential with active movement forward and engagement.

00:09:43.560 And so we're engaged in the world as potential.

00:09:45.780 And it looks like consciousness does that.

00:09:48.120 And so there's this idea that, and this is the main idea that I think is being put forth in Genesis 1,

00:09:53.820 it's something like, and you see this in mythology, like, from what I've been able to gather,

00:09:59.480 there's always three causal elements that make up being at the bottom of world mythology.

00:10:05.620 And one is the formless potential that makes up being once it's interacted with,

00:10:10.560 and that's generally given a feminine nature. 1.00

00:10:13.120 And I think that's because it's like the source from which all things emerge and rise.

00:10:18.080 It's something like that.

00:10:19.400 It's more complicated than that, but it's something like that.

00:10:21.680 And then there's some kind of interpretive structure that has to grapple with that formless potential.

00:10:27.380 And that's, I think that's the sort of thing that was alluded to by Immanuel Kant

00:10:30.900 when he was criticizing the notion that all of our information comes from sense data,

00:10:35.640 which would be the pure empirical perspective, right?

00:10:37.860 Because when you encounter the world,

00:10:40.100 you encounter it with a cognitive structure that already has shape.

00:10:44.480 And so it's already in you, this structure.

00:10:46.900 And without that a priori structure,

00:10:48.860 you wouldn't be able to take the formless potential and give it structure.

00:10:52.840 And I think that's something that,

00:10:54.200 it's akin in some way to the idea of God the Father.

00:10:57.080 And I'll try to develop that idea more.

00:10:59.340 It's the notion that there's something in all of us that transcends all of us,

00:11:04.840 that's deeply structural,

00:11:06.200 that's part of this ancient,

00:11:07.740 well, I would say evolutionary and cultural process,

00:11:10.580 that enables us to grapple with the formless potential

00:11:14.380 and bring forth reality, roughly speaking.

00:11:17.880 And then there's the final element,

00:11:19.440 and that element seems to be something like consciousness itself,

00:11:22.980 the consciousness that actually inheres in the individual.

00:11:26.060 So it's not only that you have a structure,

00:11:28.220 it's that the structure has the capacity for action in the world.

00:11:32.020 And it's like,

00:11:33.440 it's you're the spirit that gives the dead structure life.

00:11:37.540 It's something like that.

00:11:38.440 And as far as I can tell,

00:11:40.060 the Trinitarian notion that characterizes Christianity

00:11:43.500 is something like, well, formless potential,

00:11:45.900 which is never given the status of a deity in Christianity.

00:11:49.160 And then the notion that there's an a priori interpretive structure

00:11:53.080 that's a consequence of our ancient existence as beings.

00:11:57.660 It goes back as far in time as you can go,

00:12:01.140 the notion of a structure.

00:12:02.920 And then the idea of a consciousness

00:12:05.040 that is the tool of that structure

00:12:09.080 and that interacts with the world and gives it reality.

00:12:12.700 And that's the word, as far as I can tell.

00:12:14.720 And so the notion is that there's a father,

00:12:16.800 and that's the structure,

00:12:17.640 and there's a son that's transcendent,

00:12:20.240 that characterizes consciousness itself.

00:12:23.000 And that it's the son,

00:12:24.380 the speaking of the son,

00:12:26.200 that is the active principle that turns chaos into order.

00:12:30.620 And, God, it's such a sophisticated idea,

00:12:33.060 as far as I'm concerned.

00:12:34.800 Because, well, there's something about it

00:12:36.320 that's at least phenomenologically accurate.

00:12:38.320 Because you do have an interpretive structure,

00:12:40.700 and you couldn't understand anything without it.

00:12:42.420 Your very body is an interpretive structure, right?

00:12:45.280 It's been crafted over, let's say,

00:12:47.600 three billion years of evolution.

00:12:49.920 Without that, you wouldn't be able to perceive anything.

00:12:52.080 And it's taken a lot of death and struggle and tragedy

00:12:55.640 to produce you the thing that's capable of encountering

00:12:59.980 this immense chaos that surrounds us

00:13:02.060 and to transform it into habitable order.

00:13:04.500 And then there's the idea, too, of course,

00:13:06.560 that's deeply embedded in the first chapters of Genesis,

00:13:09.420 which is a staggering idea, you know?

00:13:11.240 And certainly not one that's likely

00:13:13.380 that human beings were made in the image of God.

00:13:16.300 Both male and female were made in the image of God.

00:13:19.160 And that's, of course, a very difficult thing to understand.

00:13:21.640 Partly because the God that's referred to

00:13:23.560 in those chapters

00:13:25.360 has a kind of polytheistic element.

00:13:27.420 Although it's an element that's moving rapidly

00:13:30.800 towards a unified monotheism.

00:13:33.060 But it's not all so obvious to me

00:13:35.040 why people would come up with that concept.

00:13:36.880 Because I don't really think that when we think about each other,

00:13:39.580 we immediately think God-like.

00:13:41.880 You know, the notion that every single human being,

00:13:45.440 regardless of their peculiarities and strangenesses

00:13:47.980 and sins and crimes and all of that,

00:13:50.320 has something divine in them

00:13:51.800 that needs to be regarded with respect

00:13:53.820 and that plays an integral role,

00:13:56.480 at least an analogous role,

00:13:59.220 in the creation of habitable order out of chaos.

00:14:02.140 That's a magnificent, remarkable, crazy idea.

00:14:06.360 And yet, we developed it.

00:14:07.800 And I do firmly believe

00:14:09.280 that it sits at the base of our legal system.

00:14:11.540 I think it is the cornerstone of our legal system.

00:14:14.480 That's the notion that everyone is equal before God.

00:14:17.640 Which is, of course, a completely...

00:14:19.280 That's such a strange idea.

00:14:20.800 It's very difficult to understand

00:14:22.120 how anybody could have ever come up with that idea.

00:14:24.340 Because the manifold differences between people

00:14:27.640 are so obvious and so evident

00:14:30.120 that you could say

00:14:31.320 the natural way of viewing someone is...

00:14:33.760 or human beings

00:14:34.600 is in this extremely hierarchical manner.

00:14:37.020 Where some people are contemptible

00:14:38.740 and easily brushed off

00:14:41.020 as pointless and pathological

00:14:43.500 and without value whatsoever.

00:14:45.940 And all the power accrues

00:14:47.340 to a certain tiny, you know,

00:14:49.400 aristocratic minority at the top.

00:14:51.740 But if you look at the way that

00:14:54.160 the idea of the individual sovereignty developed,

00:14:57.840 it's clear that it unfolded over thousands

00:14:59.920 and perhaps ten thousands of years

00:15:01.760 before it became something firmly fixed

00:15:04.960 in the imagination

00:15:05.800 that each individual

00:15:07.260 had something of transcendent value about them.

00:15:10.660 And man, I tell you,

00:15:11.680 we dispense with that idea

00:15:13.020 at our serious peril.

00:15:14.480 And so, and if you're going to take that idea

00:15:16.900 seriously, then, which you do

00:15:18.460 because you act it out

00:15:19.460 because otherwise you wouldn't be

00:15:20.760 law-abiding citizens, right?

00:15:22.320 You act that idea out.

00:15:23.940 It's firmly shared by everyone

00:15:28.500 who acts in a civilized manner.

00:15:30.640 The question is,

00:15:31.380 why in the world do you believe it?

00:15:33.580 Assuming that you believe what you act out.

00:15:36.040 Which I think is a really good way

00:15:37.320 of fundamentally defining belief.

00:15:40.020 So, alright.

00:15:41.700 So, that's the sort of idea

00:15:43.820 is that there's this God of tradition and structure.

00:15:47.260 That's God the Father

00:15:48.500 who uses the Son,

00:15:50.600 which is more of an active force.

00:15:53.260 And primarily something that's verbal,

00:15:55.560 which I also think is extremely interesting

00:15:57.400 because it's associated not with thought precisely,

00:15:59.720 but with speech.

00:16:00.940 And I think the reason for that is

00:16:02.460 is that there's something to speech

00:16:05.020 that's more than mere thought.

00:16:06.540 And I think part of the reason for that

00:16:08.280 is that speech is a public utterance.

00:16:10.720 And at least in principle,

00:16:12.620 speech is something that's shaped

00:16:13.980 by the existence of everyone else,

00:16:17.440 at least across time.

00:16:18.640 Because when you speak,

00:16:20.180 your speech is put forward in the world

00:16:23.620 as a causal element

00:16:25.240 and it's also subject to criticism

00:16:27.120 and cooperation and mutual shaping.

00:16:32.040 And so, there's an idea here too

00:16:34.220 that the cognitive processes

00:16:37.560 that bring habitable reality

00:16:39.700 out of uninhabitable chaos

00:16:41.880 have this collective and public element,

00:16:44.600 which is part of the reason,

00:16:46.080 by the way,

00:16:46.560 that I'm an advocate of free speech,

00:16:48.920 let's say, above all.

00:16:49.900 Because I don't think,

00:16:51.260 although it is the case,

00:16:52.980 for example,

00:16:53.520 in the Canadian Bill of Rights,

00:16:54.940 that every single right has equal value.

00:16:57.600 That's the theory. 1.00

00:16:58.340 It's an idiotic theory 1.00

00:16:59.240 because it's absolutely impossible 1.00

00:17:00.920 for a large set of rights

00:17:02.700 to have absolutely equal standards,

00:17:04.880 stances.

00:17:05.460 That cannot happen.

00:17:06.440 There's no way that that can ever work.

00:17:08.120 But that is the legal judgment.

00:17:09.480 But I think it's a huge mistake

00:17:10.800 because free speech has this,

00:17:13.240 well, this divine quality,

00:17:14.840 let's say,

00:17:15.720 that you can't escape from

00:17:17.400 because it's the thing

00:17:18.540 that manufactures everything else.

00:17:20.580 And I do think that the dream

00:17:25.260 that you could think of

00:17:26.160 as encapsulated in the stories in Genesis

00:17:28.420 is the dream by which human beings

00:17:31.760 dreamed up the idea

00:17:33.260 that we would now consider consciousness.

00:17:35.740 Because, you know,

00:17:36.380 it took us a long time

00:17:37.340 to figure out the word consciousness.

00:17:39.520 It's not like it's bloody obvious.

00:17:42.040 Who knows how many thousands of years

00:17:44.040 or who knows what struggles

00:17:46.900 we had to undertake

00:17:48.080 to abstract out something

00:17:49.720 like consciousness

00:17:50.480 and how we had to represent that

00:17:52.580 dramatically, say,

00:17:53.960 or symbolically

00:17:54.740 or in a dreamlike fashion

00:17:56.280 before we could actually

00:17:57.280 formulate the term

00:17:58.540 and localize that

00:18:00.160 to some degree in people.

00:18:01.520 It's very sophisticated.

00:18:03.640 So, John makes the case that,

00:18:07.640 well, there's an emanation of God

00:18:09.620 or an element of God,

00:18:12.100 the transcendent consciousness,

00:18:14.360 it's something like that,

00:18:15.440 that acts directly

00:18:17.060 and in a sort of living way

00:18:18.980 with the underlying potential

00:18:21.780 of the world.

00:18:22.660 And I think that that's

00:18:23.920 phenomenologically accurate.

00:18:25.420 And I do think that that's

00:18:26.520 the way we regard our lives.

00:18:28.040 Because, you know,

00:18:29.660 when you think about it too,

00:18:30.720 we tend to think

00:18:31.460 that what you encounter

00:18:32.480 when you're looking at the world

00:18:33.580 is the material world.

00:18:34.900 But that isn't how you act.

00:18:36.600 You do act as if you're

00:18:38.140 in a place of potential

00:18:39.800 and also in a place of potential

00:18:41.600 that you can actually transform.

00:18:43.540 Which is also something

00:18:44.920 extraordinarily strange,

00:18:46.320 you know,

00:18:46.560 because we do treat each other

00:18:48.920 as if we're capable

00:18:50.280 of bringing new forms

00:18:51.760 into the world

00:18:52.380 in some permanent manner.

00:18:54.240 Right?

00:18:54.540 And we treat each other

00:18:55.720 as if we have free choice

00:18:56.940 and free will.

00:18:57.760 And perhaps we don't.

00:18:59.260 But it's certainly the case 0.98

00:19:00.800 that societies that are predicated

00:19:02.500 on the idea

00:19:03.140 that we don't,

00:19:04.180 don't do very well.

00:19:05.740 And societies that are predicated

00:19:07.240 on the idea that we do

00:19:08.500 seem to do a lot better.

00:19:10.060 Plus,

00:19:10.660 people tend to get

00:19:11.380 very annoyed at you

00:19:12.240 if you treat them 0.75

00:19:12.940 like they're automatons

00:19:14.740 that lack free will.

00:19:16.060 There's something

00:19:16.480 that people find very,

00:19:17.960 I would say,

00:19:18.560 constraining,

00:19:19.720 slave-like about that even.

00:19:21.420 You know,

00:19:21.740 the demand that you don't

00:19:23.420 have actual autonomy.

00:19:25.100 And even worse,

00:19:26.180 that you're not responsible

00:19:27.460 for your choices.

00:19:28.440 It's an insult to someone

00:19:29.980 to suggest to them

00:19:31.680 that they're not responsible

00:19:33.640 for their choices.

00:19:34.600 You know,

00:19:35.080 you usually,

00:19:36.520 to do that to someone

00:19:37.620 from a legal perspective,

00:19:38.780 you have to argue something

00:19:39.760 like diminished capacity,

00:19:41.440 right?

00:19:41.900 Well, 1.00

00:19:42.120 you're mentally ill 1.00

00:19:42.940 or you don't have 1.00

00:19:43.620 the intellectual capacity

00:19:44.840 or you were addled

00:19:47.140 by some substance

00:19:48.140 or you had a brain injury

00:19:49.360 or something

00:19:49.740 and that's why

00:19:50.460 you're not responsible

00:19:51.400 for your actions.

00:19:52.620 Otherwise,

00:19:53.420 part of the respect

00:19:54.480 that you give

00:19:55.300 to another human being

00:19:56.520 is the assumption

00:19:57.760 that they're responsible

00:19:59.320 for their actions.

00:20:00.360 And some of that can be,

00:20:01.620 well,

00:20:01.820 if you do something bad,

00:20:02.900 then you're responsible for it.

00:20:04.160 But part of that,

00:20:05.240 too,

00:20:05.400 is that if you do something good,

00:20:07.160 you're also responsible

00:20:08.600 for that

00:20:09.280 and that also seems necessary

00:20:10.900 because,

00:20:11.860 I mean,

00:20:12.200 do you really,

00:20:13.460 I mean,

00:20:13.800 it's got to be more annoying

00:20:14.880 than anything else

00:20:15.920 you can imagine

00:20:16.580 to strive virtuously,

00:20:18.960 let's say,

00:20:19.460 to produce something

00:20:20.600 of extreme value

00:20:21.600 and then to be treated

00:20:23.020 as if that was

00:20:23.800 a mere deterministic outcome

00:20:25.460 and that your actual choices

00:20:27.700 had nothing to do with that.

00:20:29.100 I mean,

00:20:29.280 people find that sort of thing

00:20:30.400 extraordinarily punishing.

00:20:33.140 And so,

00:20:33.660 I'm willing to,

00:20:34.940 you know,

00:20:35.220 I mean,

00:20:35.660 I know that there are debates

00:20:37.040 about all these things

00:20:37.960 and debates about free will

00:20:39.200 and debates about

00:20:39.920 the nature of consciousness

00:20:40.900 but I'm trying to

00:20:42.240 take a clear view,

00:20:44.080 look at how people act

00:20:45.520 and how they want to be treated

00:20:46.820 and then to trace it back

00:20:48.400 to these old ideas

00:20:49.400 to see if there's some,

00:20:50.480 if there's some metaphysical,

00:20:52.320 let's say,

00:20:52.760 metaphysical connection.

00:20:54.520 So,

00:20:55.680 all right,

00:20:56.160 so here's how the,

00:20:57.200 here's how the book opens.

00:20:58.660 In the beginning,

00:20:59.260 God created the heavens

00:21:01.840 and the earth.

00:21:02.800 The earth was without form

00:21:04.240 and void

00:21:04.860 and darkness was over

00:21:06.240 the face of the deep

00:21:07.320 and the spirit of God

00:21:08.680 was hovering over

00:21:09.380 the face of the waters.

00:21:10.740 Now,

00:21:11.260 this is a hard,

00:21:12.900 this is a hard,

00:21:14.980 what would you call,

00:21:16.100 narrative section

00:21:18.200 to get a handle on

00:21:19.440 because in order

00:21:20.420 to understand it properly,

00:21:21.620 you have to actually

00:21:22.460 look behind it.

00:21:23.480 So,

00:21:24.160 there are a lot of

00:21:25.840 pieces of old stories

00:21:28.800 in the Old Testament

00:21:30.080 that flesh out

00:21:31.960 the meaning of these lines

00:21:33.580 and I can,

00:21:34.500 I can give you

00:21:35.200 a quick overview of it.

00:21:37.280 One of the ideas

00:21:38.600 that lurks underneath

00:21:39.760 these lines,

00:21:41.260 although you can't tell

00:21:42.100 because it's in English,

00:21:43.760 you have to look

00:21:44.500 at the original languages

00:21:45.420 and of course,

00:21:46.160 I don't speak

00:21:46.600 the original languages

00:21:47.400 so I've had to use

00:21:48.200 secondary sources,

00:21:49.420 too bad for me,

00:21:50.880 but the,

00:21:51.700 the,

00:21:52.300 the,

00:21:52.700 without form

00:21:54.300 and void

00:21:54.940 and the deep idea,

00:21:56.360 you see,

00:21:57.240 that's associated

00:21:58.120 with this notion

00:21:58.980 of endless deep potential.

00:22:01.640 So,

00:22:01.840 for example,

00:22:02.440 the words

00:22:02.940 that are used

00:22:03.680 to represent

00:22:04.640 without form

00:22:05.700 and void

00:22:06.180 are something like,

00:22:07.900 well,

00:22:08.220 one is,

00:22:08.720 I'm going to get

00:22:09.680 this partly wrong,

00:22:11.060 tohuwabohu

00:22:12.180 and another one

00:22:13.160 is taom 0.77

00:22:13.860 and it's important

00:22:14.740 to know this

00:22:15.300 because those words

00:22:16.500 are associated

00:22:17.220 with an earlier

00:22:18.080 Mesopotamian word

00:22:19.960 which is

00:22:20.400 taimat

00:22:20.900 and taimat

00:22:22.000 was a dragon-like creature

00:22:23.880 who represented

00:22:24.920 the salt water

00:22:25.920 and,

00:22:26.980 and taimat

00:22:27.720 had a husband

00:22:28.460 named Apsu

00:22:29.200 and taimat

00:22:29.740 and Apsu

00:22:30.260 were sort of

00:22:30.820 locked together

00:22:31.480 in kind of

00:22:32.380 a sexual embrace

00:22:33.500 and it was that

00:22:34.580 locking together

00:22:35.440 of taimat

00:22:36.160 and Apsu

00:22:36.780 and I would say

00:22:37.480 that's potential

00:22:38.340 and order

00:22:39.420 something like that

00:22:40.420 or chaos and order

00:22:41.360 they were locked together

00:22:42.380 and it was that

00:22:43.280 union of chaos

00:22:44.300 and order

00:22:44.640 that gave rise

00:22:45.440 in the old

00:22:45.920 Mesopotamian myth

00:22:46.920 which is the

00:22:47.400 Enum Elish

00:22:48.000 to the,

00:22:48.880 to the,

00:22:49.440 to being

00:22:50.280 to the old gods

00:22:51.520 first

00:22:51.840 and then eventually

00:22:52.800 as creation progressed

00:22:54.460 to human beings

00:22:55.200 themselves

00:22:55.680 and so there's

00:22:56.680 this idea

00:22:57.420 lurking

00:22:58.260 underneath this,

00:22:59.740 these initial lines

00:23:00.540 that God

00:23:01.560 is akin to that

00:23:03.960 which confronts

00:23:05.000 the unknown

00:23:05.660 and carves it

00:23:06.700 into pieces

00:23:07.200 and makes the world

00:23:08.040 out of its pieces

00:23:09.000 and the thing

00:23:09.620 that it confronts

00:23:10.380 is something like a,

00:23:11.740 well it's something

00:23:12.360 like a predatory reptile

00:23:13.740 or it's something

00:23:14.200 like a dragon

00:23:14.880 or it's something

00:23:15.420 like a serpent

00:23:16.180 and I think

00:23:17.520 part of the reason

00:23:18.160 for that

00:23:18.640 and this,

00:23:19.700 this is,

00:23:20.120 this is a very

00:23:20.720 deep and ancient idea

00:23:22.060 is that

00:23:22.560 this is where

00:23:24.820 it gets so complicated

00:23:25.780 to do the translation

00:23:26.840 is partly

00:23:27.540 that is how

00:23:28.800 human beings

00:23:29.400 created our world

00:23:30.300 like we went out

00:23:31.240 beyond the confines

00:23:33.020 of our safe spaces

00:23:34.800 let's say

00:23:35.420 our space,

00:23:36.460 our safe spaces

00:23:37.640 defined by,

00:23:38.640 by the tree

00:23:39.260 or defined by the fire

00:23:40.420 and we actively

00:23:41.620 voyaged outward

00:23:42.700 to the places

00:23:43.880 that we were afraid of

00:23:45.020 and didn't understand

00:23:46.280 and,

00:23:46.620 and,

00:23:47.000 and conquered

00:23:48.480 and encountered

00:23:49.320 things out there

00:23:50.300 like,

00:23:50.520 like,

00:23:50.980 like,

00:23:51.000 like,

00:23:51.280 like literally animals

00:23:52.480 like mammoths

00:23:53.280 and snakes

00:23:53.900 and predators

00:23:54.800 of all sorts

00:23:55.580 and it was a,

00:23:56.860 as a consequence

00:23:57.600 of that active

00:23:58.980 brave engagement

00:24:00.160 with the domain

00:24:01.080 of what we did

00:24:02.020 not understand

00:24:02.760 the terrifying domain

00:24:03.800 of what we did

00:24:04.440 not understand

00:24:05.040 that the world

00:24:06.140 in fact

00:24:06.560 was generated

00:24:07.480 and that idea

00:24:08.480 lurks deeply

00:24:09.380 inside the,

00:24:10.220 the opening lines

00:24:11.420 of,

00:24:11.680 of Genesis

00:24:12.600 and it's a,

00:24:13.560 and it's a profound idea

00:24:15.020 in my estimation

00:24:15.780 and I think,

00:24:16.880 see,

00:24:17.320 I think also that

00:24:18.300 the way our brains

00:24:19.800 are structured

00:24:20.380 and this is something

00:24:21.160 that I'm going to try

00:24:21.900 to develop more today

00:24:22.760 is that

00:24:23.120 the ancient circuits

00:24:24.680 that our ancestors used

00:24:26.120 to deal with

00:24:27.260 the space beyond

00:24:29.200 which they had already

00:24:30.300 explored

00:24:30.880 so that would be

00:24:31.580 home territory

00:24:32.500 that,

00:24:33.340 so that's that

00:24:33.820 unknown territory

00:24:34.700 that's characterized

00:24:36.280 by promise

00:24:37.560 because there are

00:24:38.220 new things out there

00:24:38.900 but also by

00:24:39.440 intense danger,

00:24:40.700 right,

00:24:40.920 because we're prey animals

00:24:42.300 especially millions

00:24:43.580 of years ago

00:24:44.120 when we were very young

00:24:45.060 we had to go out there

00:24:46.880 and encounter things

00:24:47.820 that were terribly dangerous

00:24:49.140 and there was a kind of

00:24:50.480 let's say paternal courage

00:24:52.120 that went along with that

00:24:53.380 and it was that

00:24:54.380 the spirit of paternal courage

00:24:56.420 that enabled

00:24:57.080 the conquering of the unknown

00:24:58.660 and there's no difference

00:24:59.640 between the conquering

00:25:00.520 of the unknown

00:25:01.200 and the creation

00:25:02.200 of habitable order

00:25:03.780 and the thing is

00:25:05.120 is that

00:25:05.420 as our cognitive faculties

00:25:06.960 have developed

00:25:07.680 to the point

00:25:08.760 where we're capable

00:25:10.220 of very high levels

00:25:11.080 of abstraction

00:25:11.700 the underlying biological

00:25:13.620 architecture

00:25:14.260 has remained the same

00:25:15.360 and so I don't think

00:25:16.500 that it's too much

00:25:17.200 to say at all

00:25:18.020 that the circuits

00:25:19.980 that you

00:25:20.560 that engage you

00:25:22.160 for example

00:25:22.680 when you're having

00:25:23.280 an argument

00:25:23.740 about something fundamental

00:25:25.000 with someone

00:25:25.760 that you love

00:25:26.800 and so you're trying

00:25:27.740 to structure the world

00:25:28.680 around you

00:25:29.460 jointly

00:25:30.400 to create a habitable space

00:25:32.460 that you can both

00:25:33.220 exist within

00:25:34.360 you're using

00:25:35.060 the same circuits

00:25:36.240 the abstracted version

00:25:37.980 you're using

00:25:38.440 the same circuits

00:25:39.320 that our archaic ancestors

00:25:40.720 would have used

00:25:41.640 when they went out

00:25:42.320 into the unknown

00:25:43.040 itself

00:25:43.640 to encounter beasts

00:25:45.300 and predators

00:25:46.920 and geographical unknowns

00:25:49.520 it's the same circuit

00:25:50.860 it's just that we do it

00:25:52.100 abstractly now

00:25:52.980 instead of concretely

00:25:54.000 but of course

00:25:54.640 it has to be

00:25:55.200 the same circuit

00:25:55.880 because evolution

00:25:56.680 is a very conservative force

00:25:59.500 and what else

00:26:00.420 would it be

00:26:01.000 and this is also

00:26:02.400 why I think

00:26:02.880 it's so easy

00:26:03.480 for us to demonize

00:26:04.640 those people

00:26:05.480 who are our enemies

00:26:06.660 because

00:26:07.120 our enemies

00:26:10.880 confront us

00:26:11.520 with what we don't want to

00:26:12.580 with what we don't want to see

00:26:14.660 and because of that

00:26:17.120 our first response

00:26:18.500 is to use

00:26:19.140 snake detection circuitry

00:26:21.360 on them

00:26:21.700 and that accounts

00:26:22.300 for our capacity

00:26:23.120 almost immediate capacity

00:26:24.620 to demonize

00:26:25.440 and there's a reason

00:26:27.220 for that

00:26:27.600 it's not a trivial thing

00:26:28.680 first of all

00:26:29.180 it's a very fast response

00:26:30.380 and second of all

00:26:31.080 it's a response

00:26:31.760 that has worked

00:26:32.700 for a very very very long time

00:26:35.420 and so

00:26:36.540 you know

00:26:37.560 one of the variants

00:26:38.780 of the hero

00:26:39.540 and I would consider

00:26:40.900 a variant of the hero

00:26:42.560 like a fragment

00:26:44.340 of the picture of God

00:26:45.560 is the heroic warrior

00:26:47.400 who slays the enemy

00:26:48.640 right

00:26:49.060 and of course

00:26:50.000 that's not precisely

00:26:51.140 a politically correct

00:26:52.120 representation of the hero

00:26:53.460 in modern times

00:26:54.300 well and no wonder

00:26:55.400 but it's still something

00:26:56.580 that you go watch

00:26:57.380 in movies all the time

00:26:58.580 and admire

00:26:59.180 right

00:26:59.500 it's like

00:27:00.100 one of the most

00:27:01.300 how many plots are there

00:27:02.880 romance

00:27:03.800 and adventure

00:27:04.780 that's about it

00:27:05.700 and most of the adventure

00:27:07.260 genre is

00:27:09.220 well there's some enemy

00:27:10.520 that's lurking

00:27:11.340 in some form

00:27:12.420 it could be human

00:27:13.140 it could be alien

00:27:13.980 and someone rises up

00:27:15.500 to go and confront it

00:27:16.580 and maintain order

00:27:17.700 you know

00:27:18.080 it's like

00:27:18.500 there's no getting away

00:27:19.740 from that story

00:27:20.700 and if you don't have that

00:27:22.400 in your own life

00:27:23.080 then you play a video game

00:27:24.680 where that's happening

00:27:25.520 or you watch a movie

00:27:26.400 where that's happening

00:27:27.120 or you read a book

00:27:27.840 where that's happening

00:27:28.620 and it captures you

00:27:29.720 even if you're atheistic

00:27:31.240 and your only religion

00:27:32.640 is Star Wars

00:27:33.760 you know

00:27:34.180 and it's still

00:27:35.860 well really

00:27:36.440 really right

00:27:37.220 it still captures

00:27:38.740 your imagination

00:27:39.420 and you act like

00:27:40.860 someone who's

00:27:41.560 possessed by religious fervor

00:27:43.560 when you line up

00:27:44.300 for three days

00:27:45.020 to be the first one

00:27:45.840 into the theater

00:27:46.540 you know

00:27:46.920 and all the while

00:27:48.020 claiming that you're

00:27:48.900 atheistic to the core

00:27:50.240 it's like

00:27:50.760 okay so

00:27:54.700 this

00:27:55.180 without form and void

00:27:57.680 is this chaotic

00:27:58.800 and it's a hard thing

00:28:00.860 to get a grip on

00:28:02.880 you know

00:28:03.160 what exactly this means

00:28:04.440 but I can give you

00:28:05.560 another kind of example

00:28:07.120 of how you would

00:28:08.400 experience

00:28:09.140 the formless chaos

00:28:10.760 of potential

00:28:11.660 in your own lives

00:28:13.080 and even how the order

00:28:14.660 that you currently inhabit

00:28:16.040 can dissolve into that

00:28:17.300 and

00:28:17.460 you know

00:28:18.560 in Dante's

00:28:19.400 Inferno

00:28:20.840 when he outlined

00:28:22.560 the levels of hell

00:28:23.580 so Dante was trying

00:28:25.420 to get to the bottom

00:28:26.160 of what constituted evil

00:28:27.460 really

00:28:27.820 in this representation

00:28:29.500 so it's a work

00:28:30.680 of psychology

00:28:31.320 and he was thinking

00:28:32.020 well

00:28:32.240 there are various ways

00:28:34.100 to behave

00:28:35.000 reprehensibly

00:28:36.080 but there's a hierarchy

00:28:37.700 of reprehensible behavior

00:28:39.240 and there's something

00:28:39.860 absolutely

00:28:40.420 the worst

00:28:41.660 at the bottom

00:28:42.340 and Dante believed

00:28:44.700 that it was betrayal

00:28:45.600 and I think that's right

00:28:47.320 because you know

00:28:48.060 one of the things

00:28:49.020 that enables

00:28:50.120 long-term cooperation

00:28:53.100 peaceful cooperation

00:28:54.180 between people

00:28:54.900 is trust

00:28:55.580 and I would also say

00:28:56.840 that trust

00:28:57.320 is the fundamental

00:28:58.220 natural resource

00:28:59.360 there's been some

00:29:00.400 very good books

00:29:01.040 written on the economic

00:29:01.960 utility of trust

00:29:03.020 for example

00:29:03.600 and societies

00:29:04.540 where the default

00:29:06.080 economic

00:29:07.140 presupposition

00:29:08.400 between trading partners

00:29:09.940 is trust

00:29:10.880 tend to be rich

00:29:12.240 even if they don't have

00:29:13.080 any natural resources

00:29:14.140 and you can see that

00:29:15.320 for example

00:29:15.840 with what happened

00:29:16.700 with eBay

00:29:17.120 which I think

00:29:17.840 was a kind of miracle

00:29:18.720 because what should have

00:29:19.680 happened with eBay

00:29:20.360 was that you sent me junk

00:29:21.840 and I sent you a check

00:29:23.120 that bounced

00:29:23.780 right

00:29:24.080 and that was the end

00:29:25.120 of eBay

00:29:25.480 but

00:29:26.440 right

00:29:27.780 right

00:29:28.140 exactly

00:29:28.600 but that isn't

00:29:29.220 what happened

00:29:29.800 like the default

00:29:30.700 the default

00:29:31.480 transaction on eBay

00:29:33.000 was so honest

00:29:34.440 that the brokers

00:29:35.760 you could hire brokers

00:29:37.460 to begin with

00:29:38.060 I can't remember

00:29:38.860 what they were called

00:29:39.560 exactly

00:29:39.980 but you could pay

00:29:40.960 someone a fee

00:29:41.680 so that they would

00:29:42.640 guarantee the transaction

00:29:43.740 so you know

00:29:44.760 you wouldn't send me junk

00:29:45.740 and I'd actually send you

00:29:46.700 a payment

00:29:47.080 and we'd pay 10%

00:29:48.240 for someone to guarantee that

00:29:49.580 the default trade

00:29:51.000 was so honest

00:29:51.800 that those

00:29:52.220 things

00:29:53.180 vanished right away

00:29:54.460 and so that meant

00:29:55.720 that all this

00:29:56.360 frozen capital

00:29:57.340 roughly speaking 0.93

00:29:58.160 which were all the junk 0.68

00:29:59.100 that people had

00:29:59.680 lying around

00:30:00.140 that someone else

00:30:00.760 might want

00:30:01.340 instantly became money

00:30:02.700 and the only reason

00:30:03.480 that worked

00:30:03.900 was because people

00:30:04.620 trusted one another

00:30:05.480 and so trust

00:30:06.640 is an unbelievably

00:30:08.340 powerful economic force

00:30:09.920 maybe the most

00:30:10.760 powerful economic force

00:30:11.980 anyways

00:30:12.900 if you have a relationship

00:30:14.720 with someone

00:30:15.220 it's predicated on trust

00:30:16.520 and part of the reason

00:30:17.700 for that is that

00:30:18.420 trust is what enables

00:30:20.280 us to look at each other

00:30:21.280 without running away

00:30:22.100 screaming 0.51

00:30:22.580 and what I mean by that

00:30:24.540 is that if I trust you

00:30:25.880 then I don't have to

00:30:26.920 take into account

00:30:27.740 how complicated you are

00:30:28.960 because you're horribly

00:30:29.760 complicated

00:30:30.420 you know I think

00:30:31.020 chimpanzee full of snakes

00:30:32.620 that's what a human being is

00:30:33.880 and as long as you'll do

00:30:36.060 what you say you'll do

00:30:37.540 then I can take you

00:30:38.900 at your word

00:30:39.700 and your word simplifies you

00:30:41.740 and you can take me

00:30:43.180 at my word

00:30:43.640 and my word simplifies you

00:30:44.880 and then we can act

00:30:45.720 like we understand each other

00:30:46.960 even though we don't

00:30:47.860 but then if that trust

00:30:49.300 is betrayed

00:30:50.060 then all the snakes

00:30:51.440 come forth

00:30:52.060 very very rapidly

00:30:53.040 and so

00:30:53.480 all of you I suspect

00:30:55.840 have been betrayed

00:30:56.560 one way or another

00:30:57.320 and so what happens

00:30:58.840 if you're in a relationship

00:31:00.100 with someone

00:31:00.680 and you trust them

00:31:01.940 then you make certain

00:31:03.260 assumptions about

00:31:04.100 the past

00:31:04.880 and you make certain

00:31:05.540 assumptions about the present

00:31:06.620 and you make certain

00:31:07.320 assumptions about the future

00:31:08.460 and everything's stable

00:31:09.740 and so you're standing

00:31:10.700 on solid ground

00:31:11.780 and the chaos

00:31:13.240 it's like you're standing

00:31:14.280 on thin ice

00:31:15.160 the chaos is hidden

00:31:16.500 the shark beneath the waves

00:31:18.460 isn't there

00:31:19.240 you're safe

00:31:20.160 you're in the lifeboat

00:31:21.100 but then if the person

00:31:22.380 betrays you

00:31:23.060 like if you're in an intimate

00:31:23.980 relationship

00:31:24.560 and the person has an affair

00:31:25.860 and you find out about it

00:31:26.900 then you think

00:31:28.080 one moment

00:31:28.980 you're one place

00:31:29.900 right

00:31:30.200 you're where everything

00:31:31.260 is secure

00:31:31.960 because you've predicated

00:31:34.120 your perception of the world

00:31:35.580 on the axiom of trust

00:31:36.940 and the next second

00:31:38.360 really

00:31:38.740 the next second

00:31:39.520 you're in a completely

00:31:40.440 different place

00:31:41.180 and not only is that place

00:31:42.760 different right now

00:31:43.760 the place you were

00:31:45.560 years ago

00:31:46.760 is different

00:31:47.280 and the place you're

00:31:48.080 going to be in the future

00:31:48.980 years hence

00:31:49.860 is different

00:31:50.420 and so

00:31:50.840 all of that certainty

00:31:52.260 that strange certainty

00:31:53.840 that you inhabit

00:31:54.600 can collapse

00:31:55.420 into incredible complexity

00:31:57.480 and you say

00:31:58.340 well if someone betrays you

00:31:59.600 you think

00:32:00.000 well

00:32:00.220 okay

00:32:01.040 who were you

00:32:02.080 because you weren't

00:32:03.460 who I thought you were

00:32:04.300 and I thought I knew you

00:32:05.580 but I didn't know you at all

00:32:06.980 and I never knew you

00:32:08.540 and so all the things

00:32:09.300 we did together

00:32:09.940 those weren't the things

00:32:10.760 that I thought

00:32:11.340 were happening

00:32:12.180 something else was happening

00:32:13.280 and you're

00:32:14.120 you are someone else

00:32:15.160 and that means I'm someone else

00:32:16.860 because I thought I knew

00:32:17.720 what was going on

00:32:18.420 and clearly I don't

00:32:19.280 I'm some sort of 0.97

00:32:20.020 blind sucker 1.00

00:32:21.040 or the victim of a psychopath 1.00

00:32:23.140 or someone who's so naive

00:32:24.500 that they can barely live

00:32:25.760 and I don't understand anything

00:32:27.200 about human beings

00:32:28.140 and I don't understand anything

00:32:29.220 about myself

00:32:29.880 and I have no idea

00:32:31.320 where I am now

00:32:32.260 I thought I was at home

00:32:33.280 but I'm not

00:32:33.900 I'm in a house

00:32:34.680 and it's full of strangers

00:32:36.360 and I don't know

00:32:37.320 what I'm going to do tomorrow

00:32:38.460 or next week

00:32:39.600 or next year

00:32:40.240 it's like

00:32:40.580 all of that certainty

00:32:42.060 that habitable certainty

00:32:43.360 collapses right back

00:32:45.660 into the potential

00:32:46.720 from which it emerged

00:32:48.220 and that's a terrifying thing

00:32:50.100 that's a journey

00:32:51.000 to the underworld

00:32:51.780 from a mythological perspective

00:32:53.400 and that is really

00:32:54.820 something worth knowing

00:32:56.080 because you know

00:32:57.420 journeys to the underworld

00:32:58.420 are extraordinarily common

00:32:59.680 in mythological stories

00:33:01.240 and you know

00:33:01.920 like the hobbit

00:33:02.620 going out to find the smog

00:33:04.480 the dragon

00:33:05.380 and get the gold

00:33:06.560 as a journey

00:33:07.080 into the underworld

00:33:07.860 journeys to the underworld

00:33:09.140 happen all the time

00:33:10.040 and modern people

00:33:11.000 don't understand

00:33:11.640 what the underworld is

00:33:12.860 except that we've all

00:33:13.980 been there

00:33:14.540 and we go there

00:33:15.360 all the time

00:33:16.120 and we go there

00:33:17.100 every time

00:33:17.660 the solidity

00:33:19.640 and stability

00:33:20.360 of the world

00:33:21.220 that we've erected

00:33:22.760 at least partly

00:33:23.460 through our speech

00:33:24.260 is shattered

00:33:25.000 because

00:33:25.820 well some sort of

00:33:27.040 snake appears

00:33:27.740 that's another way

00:33:28.500 of thinking about it

00:33:29.300 and it's a really good

00:33:30.080 way of thinking about it

00:33:31.080 because

00:33:31.400 you know

00:33:32.300 no matter how carefully

00:33:33.340 you construct the little

00:33:34.720 habitable area

00:33:35.640 that's around you

00:33:36.380 there's always something

00:33:37.960 you didn't take into account

00:33:39.200 and there's always something

00:33:40.680 that can pop up its head 0.89

00:33:42.300 and do you in

00:33:43.640 and make you aware

00:33:44.700 of your mortality

00:33:45.460 and age you for that matter 0.99

00:33:47.200 or even kill you 1.00

00:33:48.400 and that's the permanent 1.00

00:33:49.580 that's the permanent

00:33:50.880 situation of life

00:33:52.220 which is part of the reason

00:33:53.220 why I think the story

00:33:54.180 of Adam and Eve

00:33:54.780 for example

00:33:55.340 is archetypal

00:33:56.100 it's because we do

00:33:57.500 inhabit

00:33:58.080 walled gardens

00:33:59.720 right

00:34:00.000 because a walled garden

00:34:01.000 is half

00:34:01.600 structure

00:34:02.820 society

00:34:03.540 and half nature

00:34:04.380 that's what a walled

00:34:05.200 garden is

00:34:05.800 and a walled garden

00:34:07.160 is a place

00:34:07.740 of paradise

00:34:09.580 and warmth

00:34:10.360 and love

00:34:13.160 and sustenance

00:34:17.160 but it's also the place

00:34:18.240 where something can pop up

00:34:19.760 at any moment

00:34:20.320 and knock you out of it

00:34:21.640 and I think part of the

00:34:22.760 reason that that story

00:34:23.880 exists at the beginning

00:34:25.120 of this collection of books

00:34:26.580 is because

00:34:27.040 it explains the eternal

00:34:28.980 situation of human beings

00:34:30.520 we're always in that

00:34:31.820 situation

00:34:32.360 we're in a walled garden

00:34:33.720 or we bloody well hope we are

00:34:35.480 but there's always a snake

00:34:37.260 and then

00:34:37.680 it's even worse

00:34:38.640 because if there is a snake

00:34:39.780 we're exactly the sort of

00:34:40.760 creatures who are going to do

00:34:41.620 nothing but

00:34:42.100 go and interact with that

00:34:43.880 snake the second

00:34:44.800 that we can manage it

00:34:45.920 you know

00:34:46.300 it's definitely the case

00:34:48.420 that if you want a human being

00:34:49.480 to muck around with something

00:34:50.500 the best thing to do

00:34:51.360 is to tell them

00:34:51.940 not ever to do it

00:34:52.940 have anything to do with it

00:34:54.300 which is of course

00:34:55.200 something you know

00:34:56.060 if you have teenagers

00:34:56.940 or even children

00:34:59.260 or if you know anything

00:35:00.860 about yourself

00:35:01.600 or your partner

00:35:02.420 so these stories

00:35:06.060 are trying to

00:35:06.840 express what you might

00:35:08.820 describe as an

00:35:09.780 unchanging

00:35:10.520 transcendent reality

00:35:12.220 you know

00:35:12.600 it's something like

00:35:13.780 what's common

00:35:14.520 across all human experience

00:35:16.020 across all time

00:35:17.060 and that's

00:35:17.980 what Jung essentially

00:35:19.120 meant by an archetype

00:35:20.360 and you could say

00:35:20.980 well

00:35:21.200 you know

00:35:22.040 we tend to think

00:35:23.060 that what we see

00:35:23.700 with our senses

00:35:24.400 is real

00:35:25.080 and of course

00:35:26.480 that's true

00:35:27.040 but what we see

00:35:27.780 with our senses

00:35:28.480 is what's real

00:35:29.940 that works

00:35:30.840 at the time frame

00:35:31.980 that we exist in

00:35:33.240 right

00:35:33.540 and so

00:35:33.900 we see things

00:35:34.820 that we can touch

00:35:35.600 and pick up

00:35:36.140 we see tools

00:35:37.080 essentially

00:35:37.640 that are useful

00:35:38.420 for our moment

00:35:39.500 to moment activities

00:35:40.480 we don't see

00:35:41.620 the structures

00:35:42.380 of eternity

00:35:43.220 especially not

00:35:44.000 the abstract

00:35:44.640 structures of eternity

00:35:45.800 we have to imagine

00:35:46.820 those with our

00:35:47.420 imagination

00:35:48.080 well and that's

00:35:49.040 partly what these

00:35:49.680 stories are doing

00:35:50.460 they're saying

00:35:50.940 well

00:35:51.180 there's

00:35:51.980 there's

00:35:52.620 forms of stability

00:35:54.340 that

00:35:55.140 transcend our

00:35:56.460 capacity to observe

00:35:58.280 which is hardly surprising

00:36:00.000 we know that

00:36:00.580 if we're scientists

00:36:01.380 right

00:36:01.660 because we're always

00:36:02.220 abstracting out

00:36:03.040 things that we can't

00:36:03.900 immediately observe

00:36:04.900 but there are

00:36:05.820 metaphysical

00:36:06.900 or moral realities

00:36:08.100 or phenomenological realities

00:36:09.720 that have the same nature

00:36:10.900 that you can't see them

00:36:12.420 in your life

00:36:13.200 by observing them

00:36:15.020 with your senses

00:36:15.680 but you can imagine

00:36:16.860 them with your imagination

00:36:17.980 and sometimes

00:36:18.940 the things that you

00:36:19.920 imagine with your imagination

00:36:21.140 are more real

00:36:22.600 than the things

00:36:23.340 that you see

00:36:24.180 numbers are like that

00:36:25.940 for example

00:36:26.540 I mean

00:36:26.880 there's endless

00:36:27.560 examples of that

00:36:28.600 and I would say

00:36:29.520 well

00:36:29.800 this is also a good way

00:36:31.600 of thinking about fiction

00:36:32.620 because a good work

00:36:33.800 of fiction

00:36:34.200 is more real

00:36:35.120 than the stories

00:36:35.960 from which it was derived

00:36:37.140 otherwise it has

00:36:38.140 no staying power

00:36:39.140 right

00:36:39.360 it's distilled reality

00:36:41.100 even though

00:36:41.920 in some sense

00:36:42.620 it never happened

00:36:43.540 it's like

00:36:44.280 well

00:36:44.560 it depends on

00:36:45.500 what you mean

00:36:45.980 by happened

00:36:46.880 you know

00:36:47.720 it's a pattern

00:36:49.560 that repeats

00:36:50.340 in many many places

00:36:51.560 with variation

00:36:52.420 you extract out

00:36:53.680 the central pattern

00:36:54.580 it's the pattern

00:36:55.760 purely

00:36:56.560 never existed

00:36:57.700 in any specific form

00:36:59.260 but the fact

00:37:00.420 that you've pulled

00:37:00.960 a pattern out

00:37:01.580 from all those exemplars

00:37:02.720 means that you've

00:37:03.360 extracted something real

00:37:04.600 and I think the reason

00:37:05.920 that the story

00:37:08.320 of Adam and Eve

00:37:08.920 which we'll talk about

00:37:09.620 in quite a bit of detail

00:37:10.460 today

00:37:10.820 has been immune

00:37:13.540 to being forgotten

00:37:14.620 is because it says

00:37:15.720 things about

00:37:16.480 the nature of the human

00:37:17.660 condition

00:37:18.060 that are always true

00:37:19.320 I can give you

00:37:20.280 another brief example

00:37:21.260 you know

00:37:21.540 like people have

00:37:22.940 a lot of guilt

00:37:23.700 you know

00:37:24.640 there's a line

00:37:25.460 of social psychology

00:37:26.440 that claims

00:37:27.280 that most people

00:37:28.040 feel that they're better

00:37:28.860 than other people

00:37:29.600 and like

00:37:30.220 I just don't buy that

00:37:31.460 that isn't what

00:37:31.980 I've seen in my life

00:37:32.920 and maybe it's

00:37:33.760 I'm a bit biased

00:37:34.520 because I'm a clinical

00:37:35.200 psychologist

00:37:35.800 and I see more people

00:37:37.120 who are overtly suffering

00:37:38.940 maybe

00:37:39.560 than people do in general

00:37:41.020 although I'm not so sure

00:37:42.060 about that

00:37:42.640 you know

00:37:42.880 because you don't have

00:37:43.840 to scratch very far

00:37:45.020 beneath the surface

00:37:45.860 of most people's lives

00:37:47.060 before you find

00:37:48.140 something truly tragic

00:37:49.540 and I don't mean

00:37:50.760 the sort of tragedy

00:37:51.540 that you whine about

00:37:52.740 I mean

00:37:53.140 you know

00:37:53.680 your mother has Alzheimer's

00:37:55.080 or your best friend

00:37:56.460 committed suicide

00:37:57.220 or you have a close

00:37:58.440 relative with cancer

00:37:59.460 you have a sick child

00:38:00.540 or you know

00:38:01.260 there's something wrong

00:38:02.060 with you

00:38:02.540 because almost everyone

00:38:03.560 has at least one

00:38:04.540 really terrible thing

00:38:05.880 wrong with them

00:38:06.580 and if you don't

00:38:07.560 hey you will

00:38:08.220 so you know

00:38:08.860 so you know

00:38:11.900 that

00:38:12.120 so

00:38:12.680 so that

00:38:13.440 that tragic sense

00:38:14.940 of being

00:38:15.340 is there with people

00:38:16.180 all the time

00:38:16.720 and

00:38:16.880 and it's also the case

00:38:18.400 that

00:38:18.640 in my experience

00:38:20.040 like I rarely meet

00:38:21.320 someone who says

00:38:22.320 hey you know

00:38:23.060 I'm doing everything

00:38:25.080 I possibly can

00:38:26.060 I'm a hell of a guy

00:38:27.020 and I can't see

00:38:28.440 how I could possibly

00:38:29.440 improve

00:38:30.060 you know

00:38:30.440 you meet

00:38:31.260 you meet someone like that

00:38:32.540 you think they're narcissistic

00:38:33.900 right

00:38:34.160 and you're right

00:38:34.960 and

00:38:35.560 but

00:38:36.040 but most people

00:38:37.000 don't feel that way

00:38:37.960 they feel like

00:38:38.700 they could do a hell of a lot

00:38:40.060 better than they are

00:38:40.960 and they're quite

00:38:41.760 acutely aware

00:38:42.600 of their faults

00:38:43.240 and they don't feel

00:38:44.260 that they're what

00:38:45.000 they should be

00:38:45.920 and you see

00:38:46.800 what happens

00:38:47.820 in the story

00:38:48.380 of Adam and Eve

00:38:49.020 as well

00:38:49.440 is that

00:38:49.820 when people

00:38:50.540 become self-conscious

00:38:51.600 at least

00:38:52.280 that's how it looks

00:38:52.980 to me

00:38:53.360 they get thrown

00:38:54.400 out of paradise

00:38:55.200 and then they're

00:38:55.860 in history

00:38:56.480 and history

00:38:57.020 is a place

00:38:57.600 where

00:38:57.860 there's pain

00:38:58.720 in childbirth

00:38:59.460 and where

00:38:59.840 you're dominated

00:39:00.820 by your mate

00:39:01.600 and where

00:39:01.980 you have to toil

00:39:03.040 like mad

00:39:03.780 like no other animal

00:39:04.920 because you're aware

00:39:05.740 of the future

00:39:06.360 you have to work

00:39:07.480 and sacrifice

00:39:08.380 the joys of the present

00:39:09.560 for the future

00:39:10.180 constantly

00:39:11.100 and you know

00:39:12.000 you're going to die

00:39:12.940 and you have 0.97

00:39:13.360 all that weight

00:39:14.300 on you

00:39:14.720 and to me again

00:39:15.460 that's just

00:39:15.980 how can anything

00:39:17.120 be more true

00:39:17.980 than that

00:39:18.620 that's just

00:39:19.420 as far as I can tell

00:39:20.680 that's just

00:39:21.160 how it is

00:39:21.920 unless you're

00:39:22.920 naive

00:39:23.520 beyond comprehension

00:39:25.260 there's something

00:39:26.380 about your life

00:39:27.340 that is echoed

00:39:29.780 in that representation

00:39:31.080 and why it is

00:39:32.640 I mean

00:39:33.220 we're such strange creatures

00:39:35.120 because we don't seem

00:39:36.080 to really fit

00:39:36.980 into being

00:39:37.700 in some sense

00:39:38.400 and that's also

00:39:39.080 what's expressed

00:39:40.040 in the notion

00:39:40.660 of the fall

00:39:41.240 the existentialists

00:39:42.720 said

00:39:42.900 well people feel

00:39:43.660 like they have

00:39:44.240 a debt

00:39:45.060 that they have

00:39:45.700 to pay off

00:39:46.380 to existence

00:39:47.100 for the crime

00:39:48.420 of their

00:39:48.920 for the crime

00:39:50.120 of their being

00:39:50.900 something like that

00:39:51.980 and maybe it's

00:39:52.740 because we're

00:39:53.260 acutely aware

00:39:54.120 that we have

00:39:54.660 to offer

00:39:55.080 something of value

00:39:55.980 to the people

00:39:56.560 around us

00:39:57.100 so that they

00:39:57.540 can tolerate us

00:39:58.540 you know

00:39:59.060 while we're

00:39:59.520 going about

00:40:00.180 our business

00:40:00.680 but it seems

00:40:01.560 deeper than that

00:40:02.440 it's that

00:40:02.780 human beings

00:40:04.080 seem to exist

00:40:05.480 in a post

00:40:06.400 cataclysmic world

00:40:07.720 and that's

00:40:08.380 exactly also

00:40:09.160 what's represented

00:40:09.920 in Genesis

00:40:10.500 and it's

00:40:11.100 very interesting

00:40:11.860 because

00:40:12.240 in the Adam

00:40:13.900 and Eve story

00:40:14.500 there's two

00:40:15.220 catastrophes

00:40:17.300 essentially

00:40:17.760 there's the

00:40:18.280 catastrophe

00:40:18.760 that occurs

00:40:19.380 when Adam

00:40:19.800 and Eve

00:40:20.060 wake up

00:40:20.600 which we'll

00:40:20.940 talk about

00:40:21.380 in detail

00:40:21.900 and become

00:40:22.580 self-conscious

00:40:23.320 and know

00:40:24.080 that they're

00:40:24.400 naked

00:40:24.780 and their

00:40:26.360 eyes are

00:40:26.840 open

00:40:27.080 right

00:40:27.280 so that's

00:40:28.160 the terminology

00:40:28.820 that's used

00:40:29.460 and to have

00:40:29.920 your eyes

00:40:30.280 open

00:40:30.520 means to

00:40:30.940 have

00:40:31.200 an increment

00:40:32.480 in consciousness

00:40:33.540 essentially

00:40:34.260 because eyes

00:40:34.940 are associated

00:40:35.600 with consciousness

00:40:36.240 for human beings

00:40:37.040 because we're

00:40:37.400 intensely

00:40:37.880 visual animals

00:40:38.820 and so the

00:40:39.660 metaphor

00:40:40.000 of having

00:40:40.560 your eyes

00:40:41.120 opened

00:40:41.700 means

00:40:42.820 it's the same

00:40:43.600 as the metaphor

00:40:44.140 of coming

00:40:44.620 to consciousness

00:40:45.240 and as soon

00:40:45.880 as Adam

00:40:46.280 and Eve

00:40:46.580 come to consciousness

00:40:47.380 they realize

00:40:48.000 they're naked

00:40:48.560 and you know

00:40:49.560 the classic

00:40:50.260 interpretation

00:40:51.000 of that

00:40:51.580 is that it

00:40:52.000 has something

00:40:52.500 to do

00:40:52.840 with sexual

00:40:53.480 sin

00:40:53.900 and I don't

00:40:55.180 believe that

00:40:56.140 I don't believe

00:40:57.340 that that's

00:40:57.720 what it means

00:40:58.220 although there are

00:40:59.000 elements about

00:40:59.940 that that are

00:41:00.460 relevant

00:41:00.840 it's more

00:41:01.840 that to realize

00:41:02.500 that you're

00:41:02.860 naked

00:41:03.180 it's like

00:41:04.160 you know

00:41:04.980 if you dream

00:41:05.820 that you're naked

00:41:06.380 on a stage

00:41:07.340 in front of people

00:41:08.100 that's not a

00:41:08.840 sexual dream 0.89

00:41:09.720 man 0.87

00:41:10.040 unless you're

00:41:10.500 some kind

00:41:10.860 strange exhibitionist

00:41:12.200 right

00:41:12.460 it's

00:41:13.440 you want to

00:41:14.180 cover yourself up 0.98

00:41:15.000 and get the hell 0.80

00:41:15.520 off that stage

00:41:16.200 as fast as possible

00:41:17.300 and so to be

00:41:18.160 naked in front

00:41:18.880 of a crowd

00:41:19.420 is to have

00:41:20.140 everyone

00:41:20.800 it's to have

00:41:21.720 the judgment

00:41:22.740 of the social world

00:41:24.260 focused

00:41:25.060 on your

00:41:26.440 self-evident

00:41:27.980 inadequacies

00:41:29.160 and that makes

00:41:30.140 and that makes people

00:41:30.440 self-conscious

00:41:31.200 and that's a real

00:41:32.160 human state

00:41:32.820 it's associated

00:41:33.560 with neuroticism

00:41:34.540 in the big five

00:41:35.480 trait model

00:41:36.120 but people don't

00:41:37.080 like that

00:41:37.680 at all

00:41:38.120 they don't like

00:41:38.740 having their

00:41:39.820 fragility and

00:41:40.920 vulnerability

00:41:41.380 exposed to the group

00:41:42.640 it's one of the

00:41:43.520 two major fears

00:41:44.460 of people

00:41:45.000 because one is

00:41:45.840 social humiliation

00:41:46.900 and the other

00:41:47.800 is something like

00:41:48.540 mortality and death

00:41:49.680 and like

00:41:50.380 your typical

00:41:51.860 agoraphobic

00:41:52.680 for example

00:41:53.560 gets to have

00:41:54.100 both those fears

00:41:54.780 at the same time

00:41:55.600 because she

00:41:56.180 it's usually a she 1.00

00:41:57.220 tends to believe

00:41:58.520 she's going to have 0.99

00:41:59.200 a very spectacular

00:42:00.620 and exhibitionistic

00:42:02.220 heart attack

00:42:02.960 in a public place

00:42:03.940 and make a terrible 0.99

00:42:05.000 fool of herself 1.00

00:42:05.800 while she's dying 1.00

00:42:06.820 so

00:42:07.640 and then that's

00:42:09.300 a good example

00:42:09.980 of the two

00:42:10.800 archetypal fears

00:42:11.720 that characterize

00:42:12.440 human beings

00:42:14.060 so

00:42:16.760 to me

00:42:17.980 and I said

00:42:19.160 that I tried

00:42:19.680 to approach

00:42:20.160 these stories

00:42:20.640 as if I didn't

00:42:21.280 know what they

00:42:21.740 were about

00:42:22.200 because that

00:42:22.740 seemed right to me

00:42:23.720 because they're

00:42:24.480 mysteries

00:42:24.980 everything about

00:42:26.580 them is mysterious

00:42:27.320 and why we have

00:42:28.700 them is mysterious

00:42:29.920 and what the hell

00:42:31.080 you're all doing

00:42:31.800 here is mysterious

00:42:32.780 you know

00:42:33.280 listening to this

00:42:34.060 lecture

00:42:34.440 and so

00:42:35.280 and reading Jung

00:42:37.180 because Jung

00:42:37.680 Carl Jung

00:42:38.240 was very very

00:42:38.880 helpful in this

00:42:39.520 because he

00:42:40.080 he faced these

00:42:41.880 stories with a

00:42:42.520 beginner's mind

00:42:43.260 and presumed

00:42:43.820 there was something

00:42:44.300 to him that he

00:42:45.000 didn't understand

00:42:45.780 given that they

00:42:46.480 were at the

00:42:47.000 very bloody

00:42:47.900 bottom of our

00:42:48.780 civilization

00:42:49.380 you know

00:42:50.520 which is

00:42:50.980 historically

00:42:51.680 perfectly clear

00:42:52.920 and that they

00:42:53.680 came out of

00:42:54.180 the midst

00:42:54.620 of time

00:42:55.380 and he

00:42:55.860 wasn't satisfied

00:42:56.560 with the idea

00:42:57.360 the Freudian

00:42:58.180 idea that God

00:42:58.880 was just the

00:42:59.480 father

00:42:59.760 or the Marxist

00:43:00.640 idea that

00:43:01.160 religion was 0.86

00:43:02.280 the opiate

00:43:02.900 of the masses

00:43:03.560 it's like

00:43:04.060 if religion

00:43:04.880 was the opiate

00:43:05.580 of the masses

00:43:06.520 then

00:43:06.880 communism

00:43:08.640 was the

00:43:09.180 methamphetamine

00:43:09.980 of the masses

00:43:10.660 I can tell you

00:43:11.400 that

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00:46:08.120 know you've been

00:46:08.840 betrayed by someone and

00:46:09.940 so you fall into that

00:46:11.160 underworld of of doubt

00:46:12.920 about everything and

00:46:13.880 it's a serious place to

00:46:15.260 be in that underworld

00:46:16.200 eh because not only do

00:46:17.600 you not know where you

00:46:19.140 came from or who you

00:46:20.180 are where you're going

00:46:21.120 that's bad enough so

00:46:22.660 that's the underworld

00:46:23.300 itself but there's a

00:46:24.300 subdivision of the

00:46:25.220 underworld like the

00:46:26.340 worst suburb which is I

00:46:28.040 think what hell is

00:46:28.940 essentially from a

00:46:29.880 metaphysical perspective

00:46:30.880 because you know if

00:46:32.880 someone really cuts you

00:46:33.880 off at the knees

00:46:34.580 especially if they do

00:46:35.540 it in a malevolent way

00:46:36.620 and if you're going to

00:46:37.860 be betrayed and you 0.98

00:46:38.760 really want to be

00:46:39.340 betrayed properly you

00:46:40.340 want to be betrayed by

00:46:41.220 someone who's really out

00:46:42.460 to hurt you you know

00:46:43.600 they just weren't being 1.00

00:46:44.440 stupid they were like 0.99

00:46:45.500 after you for whatever 1.00

00:46:46.700 reason and then that's

00:46:48.620 also you plunge into

00:46:50.460 that underworld space and

00:46:51.660 that's also when you

00:46:52.380 start to nurse feelings

00:46:53.500 of resentment and

00:46:54.420 aggrievement and murder

00:46:56.000 and homicide and even

00:46:57.560 worse you know because if

00:46:59.140 people are betrayed enough

00:47:00.240 they start they start to

00:47:01.800 obsess about the utility

00:47:03.940 of being itself and

00:47:05.120 perhaps go to places that

00:47:06.340 no one would ever want to

00:47:07.560 go if they were in the

00:47:08.880 right mind and to and to

00:47:10.520 develop and nurse

00:47:11.440 fantasies of the ultimate

00:47:12.760 revenge and that's a

00:47:14.300 horrible place to be and

00:47:15.520 that's hell as far as I

00:47:16.720 can tell and that's why

00:47:18.020 hell has always been a

00:47:19.140 suburb of the underworld

00:47:20.140 because if if you get

00:47:21.660 plunged into a situation

00:47:23.120 that you don't understand

00:47:24.140 and things are not good

00:47:25.200 for you anymore it's one

00:47:26.780 step from being completely

00:47:28.080 confused it's only one

00:47:29.740 step from being completely

00:47:30.860 confused to being

00:47:31.720 completely outraged and

00:47:33.500 resentful and then it's

00:47:34.540 only one step from there

00:47:35.680 to really looking for

00:47:36.880 revenge and that can take

00:47:38.580 you places that well

00:47:40.540 that that merely to

00:47:41.900 imagine properly can be

00:47:43.400 traumatic and I've seen

00:47:44.500 that happen with people

00:47:45.460 many times and I think

00:47:47.300 that anybody who uses

00:47:48.380 their imagination on

00:47:49.520 themselves can see how

00:47:51.800 that happens because I

00:47:52.860 don't imagine there's a

00:47:53.720 single person in the room

00:47:55.760 that hasn't nursed fairly

00:47:57.340 intense fantasies of

00:47:58.520 revenge at least at one

00:47:59.620 point in their life and

00:48:00.840 usually you know for what

00:48:02.080 appear to be good reasons

00:48:03.320 it's no picnic to get

00:48:05.280 betrayed that's for sure

00:48:06.560 and it can shake your

00:48:07.320 faith in being but if it

00:48:09.460 shakes it so badly that

00:48:10.740 you turn against being

00:48:11.780 itself that's certainly no

00:48:13.080 solution that's for sure

00:48:14.360 all it does is make

00:48:15.180 everything that's bad even

00:48:16.740 worse so okay now so and

00:48:22.440 God said let there be

00:48:23.560 light and there was light

00:48:24.560 light and God saw that

00:48:25.480 the light was good and

00:48:27.060 God separated the light

00:48:28.120 from the darkness and so

00:48:29.760 that's that's another

00:48:30.600 that's another fundamental

00:48:32.020 separation right light and

00:48:33.500 darkness those are those are

00:48:34.940 in some sense the two

00:48:36.260 fundamental two of the

00:48:37.600 fundamental elements of our

00:48:38.780 conscious being because of

00:48:39.960 course when it's light we're

00:48:41.660 awake and conscious because

00:48:42.800 we're diurnal animals and

00:48:44.100 when it's night well then

00:48:45.320 we're asleep and so our our

00:48:47.320 existence is bounded by light

00:48:49.680 and darkness we're up and

00:48:51.480 alert when it's light and

00:48:52.560 that's partly because we're

00:48:54.060 highly visual animals right

00:48:55.680 unlike most animals because

00:48:57.300 most animals use smell we we

00:48:59.060 use vision we're very strange

00:49:00.600 that way and vision is

00:49:02.340 associated with enlightenment

00:49:03.480 and illumination and with the

00:49:05.020 breaking of the dawn and with

00:49:06.360 the coming of the new day and

00:49:07.800 and all of that so and so for

00:49:10.300 for light to be created is is

00:49:12.360 is associated in some sense with

00:49:14.340 the emergence of conscious being

00:49:16.060 and so that's another echo of

00:49:17.400 that notion and there the the

00:49:19.940 particular phrasing of the of the

00:49:22.260 story also is important because

00:49:24.660 it's again that God said right so

00:49:26.580 that's the use of that word and

00:49:28.680 that's the active element of the

00:49:30.900 structure that gives rise to that

00:49:33.900 gives order to chaos it's something

00:49:35.580 like that so it's this it's like the

00:49:37.260 spirit of the structure manifests

00:49:39.960 itself and and produces the

00:49:41.940 fundamental divisions of experience

00:49:44.340 that's what's being presented here

00:49:46.260 and God separated the light from the

00:49:48.660 darkness he called the light day and

00:49:50.520 the darkness he called night and

00:49:52.440 again again the fact that things are

00:49:53.760 named is also very important so you

00:49:56.280 see this later with Adam because God

00:49:58.140 gives Adam the job of naming all the

00:49:59.700 animals and it's sort of like the

00:50:01.020 animals don't actually exist in some

00:50:02.660 sense till they're named and that's

00:50:05.340 that's another indication of the

00:50:07.680 authors of the Bible's attempt to come

00:50:10.560 to terms with the fact that our

00:50:12.060 cognitive faculties and our ability

00:50:13.920 to speak have something to do with the

00:50:16.380 way that we cast chaotic potential

00:50:18.600 into actuality right because we can't

00:50:20.760 we can't really get a grip on

00:50:22.320 something before we have a name for it

00:50:24.180 which is why for example you all have

00:50:25.920 names and everything that you

00:50:27.420 encounter has to have a name because

00:50:28.980 before it has a name it's just kind of

00:50:30.900 part of the blurry background it's

00:50:32.760 something like that and you could say

00:50:34.440 it exists before it has a name but and

00:50:36.840 that's true but it's also true that it

00:50:38.760 doesn't exist before it has a name

00:50:40.800 because as soon as you give something a

00:50:42.640 name its nature changes and you've

00:50:44.860 transformed it into something that's

00:50:46.480 not so much mere potential anymore but

00:50:49.540 it's at least on its way to being

00:50:51.220 actuality it's on its way to being a

00:50:53.080 tool and so the the act of naming is

00:50:56.320 repeated continually in the first

00:50:58.300 chapters of the Bible and the reason for

00:51:00.580 that is this continued emphasis on the

00:51:02.800 importance of consciousness and conscious

00:51:05.200 articulation and speech you know and

00:51:07.900 speech is really something that does

00:51:09.520 separate us in an important way from

00:51:11.740 animals you know like we haven't got

00:51:14.500 very far teaching animals how to speak

00:51:16.720 the best we've managed so far is some

00:51:19.420 parrots right there's gray African 1.00

00:51:21.480 parrot there was one of them that got up

00:51:22.960 to about a four-year-old level and that's

00:51:25.060 mind-boggling because like how big is the

00:51:27.220 brain of a parrot it's like that big and 0.76

00:51:29.740 that bloody thing could talk and so that 0.95

00:51:31.840 shows you how much we know about brains 0.97

00:51:33.460 but I know they're small and all that

00:51:35.740 but and we tried teaching chimpanzees to

00:51:38.440 talk and they could kind of get

00:51:39.520 somewhere with sign language especially

00:51:41.140 if you started when they were young but

00:51:42.780 they don't have the capacity for

00:51:44.920 language like we do and they were never

00:51:46.480 able to really pass it on to the to the

00:51:49.180 next generation which is obviously a 1.00

00:51:50.980 critical element of really having that

00:51:52.600 ability so human beings we've we've

00:51:55.600 used our linguistic capacity to parse up

00:51:57.760 the world in a new way and to

00:51:59.140 conceptualize into the new way and you

00:52:01.240 know you can say that we're just like

00:52:04.720 ants on this little trivial planet out

00:52:07.540 on the edge of of one of a hundred

00:52:10.260 million galaxies and that what's

00:52:12.040 happening here has no cosmic

00:52:14.380 significance but that's an arbitrary

00:52:16.540 that's an arbitrary proposition you know

00:52:20.140 I mean we're very complicated things and

00:52:22.340 and whatever's going on on this planet has

00:52:24.520 to do with conscious reality and the

00:52:27.080 transformations of consciousness for all

00:52:29.380 we know might be the most important

00:52:31.060 things that happen everywhere there's

00:52:33.440 no reason to consider consciousness a

00:52:35.440 trivial phenomena I mean it's taken

00:52:37.600 three and a half billion years for you

00:52:39.160 to develop the brain that you've

00:52:40.420 developed and you and human beings are

00:52:42.400 amazing creatures I mean just a casual

00:52:44.740 walk through YouTube and all those

00:52:46.300 crazy kids that climb cranes and do that

00:52:48.640 what's that that yeah parkour man that

00:52:51.700 stuff's unbelievable you know I mean human

00:52:54.160 beings are crazy crazy animals there's

00:52:56.540 almost nothing we can't do and I'm very

00:52:58.900 loath to assume that the transformations

00:53:01.120 of consciousness that are described in

00:53:03.280 the early in the early stories in in the

00:53:05.980 biblical accounts are somehow cosmically

00:53:09.460 trivial it doesn't strike me that way and

00:53:12.160 it's certainly not self-evident and even

00:53:14.320 if they are cosmically trivial whatever

00:53:16.780 that means the rocks don't care what you

00:53:19.360 think well who cares what the rocks think

00:53:21.640 first they don't think so I don't see why

00:53:24.160 that's exactly relevant but even if even

00:53:27.100 if it's all the same to the cosmos which

00:53:29.600 is something that I doubt it's certainly

00:53:31.360 not just all the same to you you know

00:53:34.000 because your consciousness has a quality

00:53:35.920 and it matters the Heidegger for example

00:53:38.380 who's who's a philosopher who who's

00:53:40.540 writing sort of influenced me post-hoc

00:53:43.960 because I recreated some of the things

00:53:46.360 that he had talked about in the 30s

00:53:47.920 before I knew much about him but one of

00:53:49.780 the things that Heidegger said was that

00:53:51.460 the fundamental element of human being

00:53:55.480 of human phenomenology was care he said

00:53:58.600 that that's the basic essence of your

00:54:00.340 being is that you care about things you

00:54:02.980 know and that's that either negatively or

00:54:05.500 positively right you to not care about

00:54:07.720 something or to hate it is still to be

00:54:09.580 involved in care and so even if the

00:54:14.080 cosmos itself is is neutral with regards

00:54:17.860 to our existence we're not and we're the

00:54:20.400 only things that we know of that are

00:54:21.780 conscious and so while we might as well

00:54:23.400 go with that and there's no reason see I

00:54:25.860 can't help but think that the constant

00:54:28.560 attempts by people to trivialize the

00:54:30.780 nature of their own consciousness has a

00:54:33.000 has a dark side I'm a psychoanalyst and

00:54:35.940 so I always think that way it's like well

00:54:37.980 first of all if you're if you as a being

00:54:40.500 don't matter then you don't have to do

00:54:42.120 anything it's a great justification for

00:54:43.740 total lack of responsibility and that that

00:54:46.320 really twigs something for me because you know

00:54:48.420 you know people who are bent let's say or 0.99

00:54:52.080 vengeful or angry are always looking for a

00:54:54.360 reason why they don't have to be

00:54:55.440 responsible for anything plus it's a lot

00:54:57.660 easier and so the notion that

00:54:59.400 consciousness is trivial immediately

00:55:01.080 allows you to wander down that path and so

00:55:03.660 I'm skeptical of those claims and I also

00:55:05.880 think that there's a deep hatred of

00:55:07.500 humanity that underlies those claims as

00:55:09.540 well and I read my youtube comments

00:55:11.700 sometimes you know and I've always been

00:55:13.500 I've always been annoyed that you know

00:55:16.440 because I've heard like sort of radical

00:55:18.600 clueless environmentalists say things

00:55:20.640 like planet would be better off without

00:55:22.320 people on it which is something that

00:55:24.240 like you just cannot say that that if you

00:55:27.320 say that and listen to yourself you

00:55:29.880 should like go to a monastery for like

00:55:31.560 three years and never say a word and have a

00:55:33.240 shower every ten minutes until you've

00:55:35.040 learned your lesson properly you know you

00:55:37.860 can't utter a more genocidal phrase than that

00:55:40.860 that you know and of course you always do

00:55:42.600 it in a display of your care for the

00:55:45.840 world it's like well if we just didn't

00:55:47.280 have any people it's like well we'll 1.00

00:55:48.720 just line them all up and shoot them 1.00

00:55:50.460 with machine guns 1.00

00:55:51.720 no it's it's really sickening it's

00:55:54.120 appalling it and there's a hatred for

00:55:56.340 humanity that's at the bottom of it and

00:55:58.200 I mean you can kind of understand why

00:55:59.640 because we're messy and you know we

00:56:01.320 don't clean up after ourselves and you 0.66

00:56:03.360 know we're like raping the rain

00:56:04.680 forests and that sort of thing but I do

00:56:06.780 have some sympathy for people because you

00:56:08.940 you know we're we're hell on mother

00:56:11.220 nature but she certainly returns the

00:56:12.840 favor so and that's a good thing to

00:56:15.780 remember you know a lot of what we're

00:56:17.220 doing is just bloody well trying to

00:56:19.080 exist with a relative minimum of pain and

00:56:22.120 we're doing our best to get you know to

00:56:24.060 get as good at doing that as fast as we

00:56:26.040 can and that's not an easy thing there

00:56:27.960 are lots of us and like life is bloody

00:56:29.700 complicated and the other thing that

00:56:31.620 happens too is again if you scratch just

00:56:33.900 beneath the surface of people and this is

00:56:36.000 something that's always you know to me

00:56:38.520 has been a kind of miracle is if you

00:56:40.620 talk to someone they're out doing their

00:56:41.940 job and maybe they're doing a good job

00:56:43.560 at it like some emergency room nurse you

00:56:45.960 know it's God there's a job for you or

00:56:48.220 maybe they work in palliative care you

00:56:50.380 know and you you talk to them and you

00:56:51.540 find out they've got like four as I said

00:56:53.640 before serious problems in their family

00:56:56.040 and maybe they're diabetic to boot and yet

00:56:58.320 they haul themselves out of bed in the

00:56:59.940 morning and go take care of dying

00:57:01.620 people it's like good God people deserve

00:57:04.680 a bit of respect for struggling forward

00:57:07.500 and and not always trying to make the

00:57:09.480 planet a worse place when they're

00:57:11.380 beset on all sides constantly by you

00:57:14.220 know unending series of tragedy you

00:57:16.440 think we could have a little bit of

00:57:17.580 sympathy for ourselves as a consequence

00:57:19.980 of that it's like we're not all like

00:57:21.840 rapacious greedy monsters who are bent on

00:57:24.900 just devouring everything in our path you 0.70

00:57:27.180 know it's a little bit more complicated

00:57:29.040 than that so all right anyway so so well

00:57:34.440 so let's go to the next part of this

00:57:36.000 here mm-hmm all right so and God said let

00:57:39.780 there be an expanse in the midst of the

00:57:41.400 waters and let it separate the waters

00:57:43.500 from the waters and God made the

00:57:45.480 expanse and separated the waters that

00:57:47.220 were under the expanse from the waters

00:57:48.760 that were above the expanse and it was

00:57:50.520 so and God called the expanse heaven and

00:57:52.980 there was evening and there was morning

00:57:54.240 the second day well to understand that

00:57:56.100 because what how did that doesn't make

00:57:59.280 any sense at all really so I think I

00:58:01.980 told you a little bit about this before

00:58:03.300 so the the the world that's being

00:58:06.120 created in this particular account is a

00:58:07.800 phenomenological world there's a disk of

00:58:09.720 land because if you go out in a field

00:58:12.180 and look around you're on a disk of land

00:58:13.800 so that's pretty obvious and then there's a

00:58:15.300 dome on top of it it's more or less held

00:58:16.980 up by the mountains and rain comes down so

00:58:19.320 there's water above the dome because

00:58:21.000 where else would the rain come from and

00:58:22.680 and underneath the ground there's fresh

00:58:25.140 water you can drill down and find that

00:58:26.820 and then around that there's salt water

00:58:28.260 and so that's the the world and it's

00:58:30.400 kind of an empirical world because if

00:58:32.280 you're a child and you just go out in a

00:58:33.780 field and you look at the world that's

00:58:35.400 sort of what it would be like and so

00:58:37.680 that's the world that's being created and

00:58:39.420 so one of the things that is worth

00:58:41.640 thinking about this is something Carl Jung

00:58:43.560 was very interested in is that these old

00:58:47.760 descriptions are half geographical and

00:58:51.000 half empirical so sort of based on

00:58:52.680 observation and half psychological so

00:58:55.800 one of the things Jung was interested in

00:58:57.420 for example was astrology but mostly for

00:58:59.640 a psychological reason because you know

00:59:01.920 they're obviously there are stars up on

00:59:03.840 the dome and then when you look at the

00:59:05.880 stars you can imagine the shapes of the

00:59:09.060 stars and that helps you orient yourself

00:59:10.680 because as soon as you can see shapes in

00:59:12.720 the stars then you can recognize the

00:59:14.640 constellations and you can orient yourself

00:59:16.380 at night but then the constellations become

00:59:18.900 gods say and the gods turn into a drama

00:59:21.120 and so and the drama comes from within

00:59:24.120 it's the projection of imagination and so

00:59:26.700 when Jung was analyzing astrology he was

00:59:29.280 analyzing psychology because he saw the

00:59:33.720 astrological narrative as the projection of

00:59:37.680 the human imagination onto the cosmos and so

00:59:39.960 when he was analyzing astrology he was

00:59:41.640 analyzing psychology and the same thing is

00:59:44.100 the case with these stories is that the world

00:59:46.440 they they describe is only it's not the

00:59:49.200 natural world like a scientist would

00:59:51.120 describe it because these people weren't

00:59:52.860 scientists they didn't have the technology

00:59:54.720 and the tools it was it was the way they

00:59:57.660 it for for them it was the world for us it's

01:00:00.960 the way they saw the world and so we're

01:00:04.000 looking at the way they saw the world and a lot

01:00:06.180 of that psychology and we share that

01:00:07.920 psychology to a large degree with those

01:00:10.020 people so in this is psychology but it's

01:00:13.660 interesting to know what the geographical

01:00:16.420 substrate is so that you can kind of

01:00:17.860 understand the stories and I like this

01:00:19.540 picture because that's it's great from a

01:00:21.760 psychological perspective it's a very

01:00:23.200 famous picture and you know so basically

01:00:25.360 what you have here is the world as we

01:00:26.980 know it and there's the dome with the

01:00:29.020 sun and the moon on it and the stars and

01:00:31.000 then if you look outside what you know

01:00:33.460 well then you're out into this cosmic space

01:00:35.860 right and that's those are like the

01:00:37.580 wheels of the planets and the music of

01:00:40.480 the spheres and that's the ever-present

01:00:43.060 explorer who's gone beyond the domain that

01:00:46.240 he can understand and is peering out into

01:00:48.280 the unknown as such and it's a

01:00:49.960 psychological picture it's like because

01:00:52.260 you do know some things and then outside

01:00:54.760 of that there are things you don't know

01:00:56.200 and when you're feeling brave you put a

01:00:58.840 foot or two out where you don't

01:01:00.280 understand like because there's frontier

01:01:02.140 everywhere right and if you're if you're

01:01:04.600 feeling heroic and you want to do

01:01:06.040 something for the world and you want to

01:01:07.300 expand what you understand you poke your

01:01:09.160 head through what you know when you take

01:01:10.880 a look at the at the at whatever

01:01:13.600 structure is out there and you know he's

01:01:16.060 pretty smart because most of them is

01:01:17.500 still where it's safe and I would say

01:01:19.360 that's a good that's a good thing because

01:01:21.280 if you jump right out there well then

01:01:23.260 maybe you fall off the edge of the earth

01:01:24.640 and I wouldn't precisely recommend that

01:01:26.620 especially if you do it accidentally and

01:01:28.480 to me this is a recreation of the of the

01:01:31.720 Taoist yin yang symbol you know with with

01:01:35.080 the white paisley here and that's what you

01:01:37.720 know in the dark paisley serpents

01:01:39.440 really there and the right place to be

01:01:41.740 is right on the line between them

01:01:43.300 because you're sort of you got one foot

01:01:45.400 where you understand that gives you

01:01:47.260 security and then you know but it's kind

01:01:49.600 of dull because hey you know everything

01:01:51.280 that's going on there and that isn't

01:01:53.020 what people are like they don't want just

01:01:54.820 security Dostoevsky said that in notes

01:01:58.060 from the underground a great great book and

01:02:00.100 you know he said I love this it was his

01:02:02.200 an early critic criticism of the notion of

01:02:05.560 a political utopia he said look if you

01:02:07.780 gave people everything they wanted they

01:02:10.720 had nothing to eat but cake and nothing

01:02:13.540 to do but sit in warm pools and busy

01:02:15.580 themselves with the continuation of the

01:02:17.440 species that was his his lines that the

01:02:20.800 first thing they would do well maybe

01:02:22.300 after the first week was like go kind of

01:02:24.940 half-insane and smash everything up just

01:02:26.980 so that something that they didn't expect

01:02:28.360 would happen so that they'd have

01:02:29.620 something interesting to do and it's so

01:02:32.120 right because you know that the utopian

01:02:34.960 notion that if you just had all the

01:02:36.640 material stuff you wanted that you'd

01:02:38.980 you'd be well what would you be what

01:02:41.860 would you do would you just sit on the

01:02:44.320 couch and watch TV I mean you'd you'd be

01:02:47.500 I don't know what you'd be cutting

01:02:49.100 yourself just for entertainment in no

01:02:51.600 time flat you know and that's the sort of

01:02:53.440 thing that people do and so we're not

01:02:55.360 adapted for security and utopia we're

01:02:59.200 adapted for a certain amount of

01:03:00.700 security because you know we are

01:03:02.200 vulnerable but mostly we want to have

01:03:04.360 one foot out where we don't know what

01:03:05.860 the hell is going on because that's

01:03:07.780 where you're alert and alive and tense

01:03:10.240 and with it and and you know I think I

01:03:14.120 believe this and I believe it actually

01:03:15.880 has something to do with the

01:03:17.140 hemispheric structure of your of your of

01:03:19.180 the physiology of your brain is because

01:03:21.100 the right hemisphere looks roughly adapted

01:03:23.740 to what you don't know and the left

01:03:25.960 hemisphere and this is a very this is an

01:03:28.120 oversimplification but a useful one is

01:03:30.580 adapted to the world that you do know and

01:03:32.920 the right place for you to be is halfway

01:03:34.720 between them because then you can tell

01:03:37.240 that that's what's so cool and this

01:03:39.580 tells you that this is actually reality

01:03:41.800 that's manifesting itself to you you know

01:03:43.780 that sense of active engagement you have

01:03:46.300 in the world when things are working well

01:03:47.860 for you you know where you're where you

01:03:49.720 should be at the right time you're alert and

01:03:52.660 on top of things and engaged and you

01:03:54.520 don't have much of a sense of time and

01:03:56.740 the sense of the tragedy of life sort of

01:03:58.540 recedes and that's when you're that's

01:04:00.580 when you've got one foot when it's where

01:04:02.380 it's secure and one foot out in the

01:04:04.040 unknown and your brain signals to you

01:04:06.880 that you're in the right place by making

01:04:08.920 what you're doing meaningful and that

01:04:11.200 sense of meaning is actually a

01:04:12.640 neurophysiological signal that you've got

01:04:14.840 the forces of the cosmos properly

01:04:17.020 balanced in your being at that moment and

01:04:19.600 that's why it feels so good and then

01:04:21.640 well what else could it possibly be I

01:04:23.680 mean you know our brain is capable of

01:04:26.920 looking beyond our vision that's what

01:04:29.620 it's for and that sense of engagement

01:04:32.800 there's no reason to assume that that's

01:04:34.420 anything but a real signal and you can

01:04:36.940 reduce it you could say well the problem

01:04:39.640 with being where you know only is that

01:04:42.700 you don't know everything and that's going

01:04:44.800 to be a problem in the future and the

01:04:46.600 problem with being where you know nothing

01:04:48.640 is that's just too much man like you

01:04:51.520 know you go into panic mode and because

01:04:53.320 anything can happen there and you can't

01:04:54.940 handle it so you got to mediate between

01:04:57.460 those two things you want to be secure

01:04:59.020 enough so that your physiology isn't

01:05:01.000 revving out of control and you want to be

01:05:03.640 out there in the unknown enough so that

01:05:05.920 you keep updating yourself constantly

01:05:07.920 constantly constantly and that's that's

01:05:10.000 the place where information flow is

01:05:11.620 maximized and you know that because

01:05:13.660 that's where you are when you're having a

01:05:14.980 really interesting conversation with

01:05:17.020 someone or you're gripped by a book or

01:05:18.940 you're really into a movie or maybe

01:05:21.700 something that you do as a you know

01:05:23.980 apart from your work or maybe even in

01:05:25.660 your work you're into it and that's

01:05:27.700 because you are in the right place at the

01:05:29.680 right time and your whole nervous system

01:05:31.660 is signaling that to you and I would say

01:05:33.760 that's the sort of place that you should

01:05:35.260 be all the time and of course you can't

01:05:37.480 be because no one's perfect but it's

01:05:39.460 that's that's the recreation of paradise on

01:05:42.760 earth it's something like it because you

01:05:44.720 are in the right place at the right time

01:05:46.600 when that is happening subject to certain

01:05:48.760 what would you say restrictions that we

01:05:51.980 can talk about later well that's what

01:05:53.320 this guy is doing and and that's I would

01:05:55.600 say akin to the action that God is

01:05:58.120 taking when he's transforming the chaos of

01:06:00.940 potential into habitable being and it's

01:06:03.280 the sort of thing that human beings are

01:06:04.780 supposed to act out and God said let the

01:06:08.440 waters under heaven be gathered together

01:06:09.940 into one place and let the dry land appear

01:06:12.220 and it was so God called the dry land

01:06:15.400 earth and the waters that were gathered

01:06:17.380 together he called seas and God saw that

01:06:19.720 it was good well that's an interesting

01:06:21.640 thing too because you know there's this

01:06:24.220 there's this play written by a German

01:06:27.100 named Goethe I can never say that

01:06:28.960 properly it's Johan van G-O-E-T-H-E and I

01:06:32.260 can't say it but he wrote this play called

01:06:34.900 Faust and he wrote one part of it when he was

01:06:37.780 quite young and then Faust too when he

01:06:39.760 was quite old and he has a character in

01:06:41.320 there Mephistopheles and Mephistopheles is

01:06:43.540 the devil and he actually has the devil

01:06:45.700 explain himself twice basically using the

01:06:48.380 same words which which I really like it

01:06:50.620 was very profound and basically Goethe's

01:06:53.380 Mephistopheles says you know he's the

01:06:56.140 adversary of the word that's a good way

01:06:59.320 of putting it because that's how it works

01:07:02.380 out mythologically he's the figure behind

01:07:04.240 the snake in the Garden of Eden which is

01:07:06.220 something we'll talk about more but he

01:07:07.960 has a he has a sophisticated philosophy

01:07:10.780 he's not just some random troublemaker

01:07:13.180 he's got a he's got a deep philosophy and

01:07:15.640 his philosophy is quite straightforward and

01:07:17.740 it's compelling it's compelling and and

01:07:20.080 people are gripped by it quite often far

01:07:22.240 more often than they think his philosophy

01:07:24.520 is well look around at the world it's

01:07:26.620 like Ivan Karamazov in the Brothers

01:07:28.600 Karamazov when he's trying to disabuse his

01:07:31.960 younger brother of being a a Christian

01:07:34.540 monk

01:07:35.320 Mephistopheles says well look at the world

01:07:38.440 I mean all you look around the world it's

01:07:40.540 nothing but a bloodbath it's just suffering

01:07:42.460 everywhere everything eats everything and

01:07:44.380 people die terribly and and they're cruel to

01:07:47.080 one another and the whole mess is nothing

01:07:49.600 but a constant haul of terrible carnage and and

01:07:53.780 ruin and and and and and and wreck he says it

01:07:58.780 would be better if it was never existed at all and that's a very

01:08:04.340 interesting that's a very very interesting idea and I do believe and I've seen this in

01:08:09.040 people many times that in the depths of despair especially when you've been

01:08:13.180 betrayed for example and you wander into the wrong subdivision of the

01:08:16.840 underworld that's something that comes to mind if you know you have a very sick

01:08:20.260 child for example or maybe your whole family is suffering as whole families do

01:08:24.520 sometimes an idea is going to come to you it's like good God who put this mess

01:08:28.540 together and is it really worth it is it really worth the suffering suicidal

01:08:32.980 people you know they say no they say no enough of this you know and you have to

01:08:37.300 be pushed a long way generally speaking before you'll actually commit suicide you 0.74

01:08:40.960 have to be in very very desperate straits but your answer under those

01:08:44.920 conditions is that being is such that it would be better if it had never been and

01:08:49.300 that's a very it's I think I think it's a very it's a terrible philosophy I

01:08:54.580 believe because I think what happens if you act it out is that you make the very

01:08:59.260 things that led you to despair far worse and I can't see that if it's

01:09:04.660 reasonable to draw a logical conclusion that suffering should justifies your

01:09:10.720 desire to make being end that the answer to that can't be to produce more

01:09:14.900 suffering that just doesn't make sense and my observation has been that people

01:09:19.900 who act out the Mephistophelian philosophy inevitably make suffering far

01:09:24.640 worse and so and then that raises the other spectre of well do they want being

01:09:29.980 just to cease or are they just out for bloody revenge at every at any cost and my

01:09:34.480 conclusion has always been that is that the mask is well being shouldn't exist

01:09:39.100 because it's too terrible but the true motivation is I'm going to make everyone

01:09:43.060 suffer as much as I possibly can before I say goodbye to this place if you read the

01:09:47.680 writings of people like the kids who shot up the Columbine High School they'll

01:09:51.280 tell you exactly that that's precisely and exactly what they concluded and then

01:09:55.840 acted out so anyways but in this God says that it was good and I thought about

01:10:00.460 that a lot is like and because the question is something like well is is

01:10:03.820 something better than nothing because that's a really good question you know

01:10:08.620 and I thought about two things in relationship to that and one is one is

01:10:13.940 well maybe it depends on how it is that you are right because it could be that there

01:10:19.120 are ways of being in the world that justify the world and there are ways of

01:10:23.200 being in the world that make the world unbearable and I believe that the

01:10:26.920 narrative that runs through the biblical stories is precisely a dialogue between

01:10:30.820 between those two types of being and the optimistic part of the story is that

01:10:35.740 being requires limitation and suffering there's no escape from that but there are

01:10:40.540 modes of being that allow that to be perhaps even more than tolerable perhaps

01:10:45.060 there are modes of being that allow that to be good and it's a straight and

01:10:49.420 narrow road it's a very difficult road to tread so so I think well that that's

01:10:54.060 possible you know I'm not an optimist by nature and but that's that's one of the

01:10:59.260 things that I've conceptualized and read about that I actually find plausible

01:11:03.400 because it's certainly the case everyone knows this that there are ways that you

01:11:06.760 can act that make things worse everyone knows that and so if that's the case

01:11:11.260 there has to be the opposite right there has to be ways that you could act that make

01:11:15.160 things better and obviously you can act in ways that make things really way worse

01:11:21.020 and so the question is well are there ways that you can act that make things

01:11:25.040 really much better and I think that's the question is can we have our cake and eat

01:11:29.580 it too can we have the being that requires limitation and suffering and also

01:11:34.660 simultaneously transcend that by our mode of being and I believe that the biblical

01:11:39.260 stories and perhaps not only the biblical stories but the biblical stories are the

01:11:44.180 human imagine one of the human imaginations best attempts to address and

01:11:49.100 answer that question that's what the entire story is about so the first of it is

01:11:53.900 is the catastrophe of the collapse of self-consciousness and the entrance of

01:11:58.040 humanity into history and the rest of it is okay now we're in history now we know

01:12:02.780 that we're going to die we know about our mortality we're conscious of our own

01:12:06.740 being is there a mode of acting in the world that allows that to be justifiable or

01:12:11.960 maybe even more that allows that to be triumphant and then I would also say

01:12:16.400 maybe it's worth finding out you know that that's the other thing that's so

01:12:21.200 interesting because you've got this short time on earth and there's lots of

01:12:24.560 things that are very very difficult to contend with and and you have the problem

01:12:29.000 of tolerating yourself even in all your insufficiency and one of the things that

01:12:33.500 seems to me to be the case is that if you adopt a sufficiently profound mode of

01:12:37.760 being if you attempt to do that then the mere act of lifting up that weight is

01:12:43.100 enough to justify the fact that you're insufficient and mortal and and and and bound by

01:12:49.100 tragedy and I believe that and I believe people believe that because if you watch

01:12:54.140 how people act they look for people they admire and they do admire people right

01:12:59.120 it's it's a natural it's a natural phenomenon you see it starting with

01:13:03.080 children be children admire and then they imitate and we look to people who seem

01:13:07.520 to be able to bear the burden of being in a heroic manner and there's something

01:13:11.840 inside of us that calls to that and that makes us want to to mimic that and to

01:13:16.580 follow it and I think that that's a I think that that's the deepest and most

01:13:20.900 profound of instincts and I think it's right and even if you're not so

01:13:24.820 convinced on the positive end you know because it's more difficult to be

01:13:28.280 convinced of the positive you can certainly be convinced on the negative

01:13:31.700 end because there are ways of being that are so brutal and so reprehensible

01:13:36.680 that merely to read about them is enough to traumatize you and I think that if

01:13:41.180 you're a person who hasn't lost their soul completely you can't help but

01:13:45.560 encounter stories like that and shudder away from them and you know

01:13:50.000 Alexander Solzhenitsyn who who was the person who did most to unmask the

01:13:55.700 absolute horrors of communist totalitarianism said that he believed that the

01:14:01.700 Nuremberg judgments were the most important event of the 20th century and that

01:14:05.240 was the judgment at the end of World War II that there were certain actions that no

01:14:10.040 one was to undertake no matter what their cultural background was because they

01:14:13.700 were let's say crimes against humanity that there was such a thing as universal

01:14:18.080 evil and you can debate that you know I mean and people certainly have but the

01:14:24.500 problem is is if you debate that then you have to say that there are conditions

01:14:28.400 under which the sorts of things that happen say in the concentration camps which

01:14:31.880 would be the gassing of children after their torture and and their their

01:14:35.840 forcible removal from their parents and all the terrible things that went along with

01:14:39.500 that that that's just okay it's just an opinion it's just something that

01:14:43.160 happened and there are circumstances under which that's justifiable if there's

01:14:47.540 no transcendent good and evil underneath that argument it's only a matter of

01:14:51.440 practicality and and and and it seems to me that that's that's not the right

01:14:56.420 conclusion to draw that's how it seems to me and that's what Solzhenitsyn

01:15:01.340 concluded when he looked at the Nuremberg trials so the notion that the notion

01:15:07.640 that it was good well even if you don't believe that and you know because maybe

01:15:12.620 it's not as good as it could be I would say it's incumbent on you as someone who

01:15:17.240 participates in the process of a furthering creation to act as if it

01:15:22.460 could be good at least and to further that with with all of your efforts

01:15:26.300 partly because what the hell else do you have to do that could possibly be better

01:15:30.320 than that that could possibly justify your existence more than that and you know

01:15:34.580 perfectly well if you if you if you have any sense at all if you think clearly

01:15:38.240 about it at all is that that's what you want to see in everyone else you know

01:15:42.260 it's you're you're desperate and maybe you're cynical and now and then someone

01:15:46.160 appears that acts at least momentarily like a light in the darkness and that

01:15:49.700 lifts your spirit up and gives you a little bit of hope and maybe helps you

01:15:53.340 continue on it's well that's obviously a call to being it's it's a it's a

01:15:57.980 statement from your own soul that says well there's something about that

01:16:01.160 that that's how you should be and maybe then well we get a chance to to

01:16:07.520 participate in what is good I thought too you know well we'll leave that for a

01:16:14.960 little later and God said let the earth sprout vegetation plants yielding seed

01:16:20.240 and fruit trees bearing fruit in which is their seed each according to its kind on

01:16:24.080 the earth and it was so and the earth brought forth vegetation plants yielding

01:16:28.880 seed according to their own kind and trees bearing fruit in which is their

01:16:32.540 seed each according to its kind and God saw that it was good and there was

01:16:36.060 evening and there was morning the third day I like that that's you see it's

01:16:45.320 interesting these old pictures hey because if you look here you got you got

01:16:48.860 this halo around God's head and you've got the split again between night and

01:16:54.320 darkness and God's right on the on the border between the two and that's the

01:16:58.520 Sun right that's what that's what a halo is halo is the Sun or the moon sometimes

01:17:03.620 it's like a coin you know you have the Queen's head on the coin and that's the

01:17:06.920 Queen on the moon and it's silver and it's a symbol of value because of course the

01:17:11.120 Queen is sovereign and the moon is the sovereign of the night sky and and gold of

01:17:15.220 course is the Sun and gold is pure because it doesn't mix with other metals and

01:17:19.280 it shines like the Sun so it partakes of the Sun and God partakes of the Sun because

01:17:23.900 there's something about whatever he represents that's associated with

01:17:27.560 consciousness and illumination and enlightenment and it's that force of

01:17:31.160 illumination enlightenment that's that's right on the border between these two

01:17:34.760 sets of phenomena and that's that's kind of what that picture is trying to

01:17:37.940 present and so you know it's a metaphor that's one way of thinking about it but it

01:17:42.920 does again allude to the underlying idea that there's something about

01:17:46.880 consciousness that's integral to to being itself and God said let there be lights in

01:17:52.820 the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night and let them be for

01:17:56.420 signs and for seasons and for days and for years I mean that's a that's a

01:18:00.580 remarkable bit of a bit of writing there too because you just think about how

01:18:04.760 bloody long it took our caveman ancestors to look at the night sky and start to

01:18:09.440 figure out that there were repeating patterns across years that enabled them

01:18:13.700 to mark the seasons I mean I just can't imagine how they figured that out it's

01:18:17.360 that that the degree of careful observation that it took and I mean we

01:18:21.860 know people figured that out a long time ago because you know those great

01:18:26.120 megalithic monuments like Stonehenge seem to be astronomical observatories

01:18:32.120 essentially and you see the same thing with the pyramids I mean people were 0.94

01:18:35.240 looking at the damn sky trying to figure out looking at God you know because 0.88

01:18:38.480 that's kind of what you're doing when you're looking at the night sky trying to 0.99

01:18:41.360 figure out the regularity and order in the universe and that's all compacted into

01:18:45.380 this little line you know and let them be for signs and for seasons to be

01:18:49.520 oriented by the stars amazing and that let them be lights in the expanse of

01:18:54.500 heavens to give light upon the earth and it was so and God made the two great

01:18:58.280 lights the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night

01:19:02.240 and the stars and God set them in the expanse of heavens to give light on the

01:19:05.720 earth to rule over the day and over the night and so there's an idea of

01:19:09.860 sovereignty there too right that that there's an analogy between the ruler and

01:19:14.540 the and the heavenly bodies that that light up the that light up the darkness

01:19:18.680 essentially and that's a really interesting idea too because it took us a

01:19:22.160 long time to come to terms with as I mentioned last week to come to terms with

01:19:26.120 the idea of sovereignty itself and to decide what constituted valid power it's

01:19:31.580 not power it's not power it's authority and competence and not power it's not

01:19:36.740 dominance either it's more sophisticated than that because the people that you want

01:19:41.240 to rule aren't people who have power because power just means I can hurt you

01:19:45.620 and you can't hurt me back that's that's not that that's not what you need from a

01:19:50.840 ruler even though it devolves into that from time to time what you want is the

01:19:55.100 kind of wisdom that illuminates the darkness and to associate the sovereign with

01:19:59.560 the with the heavenly kings of the light is a perfectly reasonable thing to do from a

01:20:03.980 metaphoric perspective and that's an ancient ancient idea you know and another

01:20:08.600 example of how we're grounded in a dream and God set them in the expanse of

01:20:13.340 heavens to give light on the earth to rule over the day and the night and to

01:20:16.580 separate the light from the darkness and God saw that it was good another

01:20:19.880 emphasis on the fact that it was better that there was something than nothing and

01:20:24.080 you know maybe you could maybe you could consider that the declaration of the

01:20:28.520 cosmos is something like well it's better that there's something than nothing and

01:20:32.600 well how do you know that and I guess the answer to that is that there's

01:20:35.360 something instead of nothing and I know that that's not proof but but it's still

01:20:40.580 a remarkable fact that it happens to be the case and no one does know why that

01:20:44.120 is and so maybe we should go along with it and see what we can do with it you

01:20:48.080 know and see how we could make it better because we certainly could if we were if

01:20:53.100 we were really committed to it and we shook our resentment and our our anger and

01:20:58.100 our hatred and I know there's reason for all of that because people do suffer

01:21:01.640 terribly but you know God only knows what being could be like if we all

01:21:06.140 contributed it contributed to it to the best of our ability God only knows what

01:21:11.600 we could conquer and what sort of magnificent cities we could produce and

01:21:14.760 what things we could we could eradicate from from from the suffering of the world

01:21:19.400 and there was you know there's this guy I read about this is this is amazing and I

01:21:32.720 don't remember his name but he he found out about this worm that was called the

01:21:36.560 guinea worm and guinea worm is a really horrible thing and you can look it up if

01:21:40.040 you want but I'll tell you a little bit about it even though it's very

01:21:42.200 distasteful so a guinea worm is a parasite that lives in Africa that burrs under your

01:21:46.940 skin and it's quite long it's about that long and it's you know about that wide

01:21:50.960 and so it'll burrow underneath your leg and then it's in there you know and

01:21:54.620 maybe it pokes its little head out a hole which is one of its delightful

01:21:57.800 tendencies and then if you want to pull it out it breaks right because obviously

01:22:03.020 because otherwise you just pull it out and it would be dead and so it doesn't

01:22:05.600 like that so it just breaks off and many many people had this horrible disease you

01:22:10.060 know and it well you can't imagine what that would be like because you're part of

01:22:14.480 the one percent and you live in North America and thank God for that but you 0.98

01:22:18.140 know just a little imagine you don't even want to think about it let alone have 0.98

01:22:21.380 it and he went to Africa and wiped the damn thing out it's like well great you 0.98

01:22:25.400 know it seems to me the planet's a lot better off without any guinea worms on it 0.99

01:22:28.760 even though that's like guinea worm genocide talk I'm still you know pretty

01:22:33.080 happy about it and so that was that was one guy who thought well we don't need

01:22:37.520 these things and yeah well fair enough you know and yeah well so good for him

01:22:44.960 like you know I mean he can die thinking that the world's a better place than it

01:22:48.080 was when he first popped out and so so good for that then that's I think that's

01:22:52.220 a good that's a good aim you know I think is to think that when you're on your

01:22:57.260 deathbed and you can look back and think well there's a little less suffering in

01:23:01.020 the world from here on out than there would be if I had never existed and that's a

01:23:04.820 a lot better than the opposite because it's certainly possible say if you're

01:23:08.120 Stalin to ensure that there's a hell of a lot more suffering in the world than 0.91

01:23:11.720 there would have been if you hadn't lived and we perfectly well know that

01:23:14.780 people can manage that and that many many people try to do nothing but in that

01:23:19.400 but manage precisely that so and it's hard for me not to think about that as

01:23:24.340 some sort of metaphysical evil and I think it's the right way to look at it 1.00

01:23:28.280 and there was evening and there was morning the fourth day

01:23:32.620 so yeah you have the sun here and then the moon here as far as I can tell

01:23:38.780 yeah

01:23:42.740 yeah actually I think this is the moon over here but

01:23:47.780 but so yeah and that's part of the Sistine Chapel which is you know an

01:23:53.500 absolutely remarkable

01:23:54.460 no part of the reason too and the part of the reason I'm teaching about these

01:23:58.320 biblical stories is because you know I'm thinking because the humanities have been

01:24:02.480 decimated so badly and and and again I think that has mostly to do with

01:24:06.400 resentment and hatred more than anything else but I don't really think that you

01:24:09.720 can get a grip on the humanities and what they have to offer without knowing the

01:24:13.760 biblical stories because they're the they're the dream out of which the

01:24:16.900 humanities emerge and so unless you have that background knowledge that dream

01:24:21.400 then there's all sorts of things that are utterly profound that that don't open

01:24:25.320 themselves up to you and Dante's Inferno would be one of those and Milton's

01:24:28.680 Paradise Lost which is an absolutely amazing piece of work I mean Milton wrote

01:24:32.860 it because he wanted to justify the ways of God to man you know what an ambition

01:24:37.760 that is and I mean he was serious about that he took the problem seriously it's

01:24:41.280 like it's the Mephistophelian problem is that well this is a rough business that

01:24:45.300 we're involved in and you know maybe maybe we should just give it up and I think

01:24:49.220 the world the whole world I think was deciding that in the 1980s when we were

01:24:52.660 deciding whether we're going to engage in the ultimate nuclear catastrophe you

01:24:57.220 know and we were very very close to that a number of times and I think it was a

01:25:00.700 collective decision in some sense on the part of humanity that we might as well

01:25:04.120 keep the whole awful game going rather than just demolish it but but you know

01:25:10.000 Milton he wrote Paradise Lost to its dream again it's a dream and trying to 0.99

01:25:14.800 explain the nature of being and the nature of evil and you can't crack the damn 0.63

01:25:19.060 thing without knowing the underlying stories and that's really too bad because 0.56

01:25:23.020 it's utterly profound and the reason you need profound things as far as I can tell

01:25:27.280 you need profound knowledge is because life is actually a profound problem for

01:25:31.720 everyone I mean you can shelter back and live a very conservative existence and

01:25:36.040 look like more power to you I understand why you would do that but it

01:25:39.520 doesn't stop you from having to face the ultimate questions of life right they're

01:25:43.720 right there in everyone's face and at least at some point in your life and it

01:25:47.620 would be better if you could I think if you could confront them full-on and and

01:25:51.880 to deal with them properly and to be a beacon of strength as a consequence of

01:25:55.420 that it's and it's and I think that wisdom that's what the humanities are

01:26:00.700 supposed to teach is wisdom and wisdom is what enables you to deal honorably with

01:26:04.780 the tragedy of life and I think you I can't see how you could think that that was a

01:26:09.100 bad idea because they're going to be times when you're in an emergency room and you

01:26:13.360 know prone to panic and to and to cry and to break down and to and to collapse and to be of

01:26:18.160 no use to anyone around you and that's not the right way to be it's the right way to be in a

01:26:22.660 situation like that is to be strong and reliable and I don't think you can do

01:26:26.020 that without being wise and you can't be wise without putting yourself together

01:26:29.620 without knowing something about where you came from and what you're like and

01:26:34.000 that that's history and the humanities and so this isn't optional it's it's it's more

01:26:38.920 necessary the man does not live by bread alone and that's exactly the issue here

01:26:43.000 so you see these magnificent works you know I mean there's a there's it's not

01:26:49.060 like Michelangelo thought of this literally you know he was a genius for

01:26:52.900 God's sake and he's trying to get at something and and he's trying to get at

01:26:56.860 the profundity of human culture I suppose that's why you have this

01:26:59.860 patriarchal figure here and and that the cosmic role that consciousness and

01:27:04.180 tradition plays in in being itself and and it's ennobling and you know you

01:27:08.260 think people religious or not people hundreds of millions of people come from

01:27:12.820 all over the world to Rome and go through this little tiny chapel to look at

01:27:16.480 this there's something in it that everyone needs to see you know it's not

01:27:20.380 just beauty it's more than beauty it's it's that which feeds the soul and and

01:27:25.900 everyone feels that even if they can't explain it so and God said let the water

01:27:31.840 swarm with swarms of living creatures and let birds fly above the earth across

01:27:35.740 the expanse of the heavens so God created the great sea creatures and

01:27:39.160 every living creature that moves with which the water swarm according to their

01:27:42.940 kinds and every winged bird according to its kind and God saw that it was good

01:27:47.440 and God blessed them saying be fruitful and multiply and fill the waters in the

01:27:51.640 seas and that birds multiply on the earth and there was evening and there was

01:27:55.240 morning the fifth day and God said let the earth bring forth living creatures

01:28:00.080 according to their kinds livestock and creeping beasts creeping things and

01:28:04.280 beasts of the earth according to their kinds and it was so and God made the

01:28:08.220 beasts of the earth according to their kinds and the livestock according to their

01:28:11.360 kinds and everything that creeps on the ground according to its

01:28:15.020 kind kind right that's kin right and to be kind is to treat others as if they're

01:28:19.700 your kid and so according to its kind and God saw that it was good

01:28:24.060 That's continually, continually re-presented over and over.

01:28:28.720 God said that's the thing that calls being into existence.

01:28:32.680 And God said it was good.

01:28:33.820 And that's the fundamental judgment about the nature of reality.

01:28:36.600 And, you know, one of the things that happens in the translation, in the movement, let's say, from the Old Testament to the New Testament,

01:28:43.360 is God is obviously blessing creation in the beginning of this story.

01:28:48.000 And then you have Old Testament God.

01:28:49.720 And, like, don't mess around with him, right?

01:28:51.180 Because he'll give you good smiting if you get out of line.

01:28:53.300 And there's no doubt about that.

01:28:54.740 And he's kind of an arbitrary character.

01:28:56.500 And, you know, lots of modern people think, well, how could you believe in a God like that?

01:28:59.980 And it's like, when I read that, I think, well, the Old Testament people, that isn't how they thought.

01:29:05.460 They thought, you better look the hell out because life is really difficult.

01:29:09.000 And if you step out of line, you're going to get flattened.

01:29:11.120 And God doesn't care, in some sense, whether you approve of him.

01:29:14.500 It's like, what the hell does that have to do with anything?

01:29:16.840 Obviously, you don't approve.

01:29:18.460 It's like, you better pay attention, though, because otherwise you're going to be in real trouble.

01:29:22.100 And that, there's real wisdom in that.

01:29:24.020 Nietzsche thought that, Nietzsche really admired the Old Testament as a work of literature.

01:29:28.540 Because he thought that the representation of the divine, let's say, as a representation of the essential nature of being was extraordinarily accurate.

01:29:36.960 And it's arbitrary and often cruel nature.

01:29:40.180 You know, it wasn't following a morality that human beings could really understand as moral.

01:29:45.420 But he thought that was very realistic.

01:29:47.300 And I like that interpretation.

01:29:48.740 But what happens in the New Testament is quite interesting.

01:29:51.500 Because there's an insistence, all of a sudden, in the New Testament, that you're supposed to act towards God as if he's nothing but good.

01:30:00.220 And that's such a strange thing.

01:30:02.300 Because, you know, you look at the world and you think, yeah, really?

01:30:06.120 Just good, eh?

01:30:07.240 Well, the cancer and the earthquakes is kind of hard to fit into that picture.

01:30:11.860 And, you know, the terrible things that happen to children and all of that is very difficult to square with the notion of a good God, obviously.

01:30:18.420 But then the underlying idea is that if you act in that manner, it makes it more likely to be true.

01:30:28.740 It's something like that.

01:30:30.140 And so it's, I would consider that in some sense an act of both courage and faith.

01:30:34.600 It's like you're going to make the case, like God makes at the beginning of the Bible, that being is, in fact, good.

01:30:42.100 Now, you can't see it because, well, you get to see all the things about it that aren't so good.

01:30:46.780 That's not the point.

01:30:47.660 It's a metaphysical presupposition, something like that.

01:30:51.300 It's a decision to act that way.

01:30:54.160 I'm going to act as if being is good and to further that.

01:30:58.280 And then the implicit idea is, well, there isn't any way that you can make things work out better than to do that.

01:31:06.620 And so there's a courageous element to it, which I think is also expressed to some degree in the idea of Christ's, like, voluntary sacrifice of his own life.

01:31:15.560 His presupposition was something like, I'm going to act as if God is good and I'm going to play that out right to the end.

01:31:22.260 And now that becomes something like a divine pattern.

01:31:24.840 And I believe there's wisdom in that because, again, most of the time that I've been wrestling with this sort of thing, I've always been looking at the opposite.

01:31:33.560 I haven't been studying good.

01:31:34.800 I've been studying evil.

01:31:36.320 Because evil is easier to believe, especially after the 20th century.

01:31:39.680 It's like, I think you have to be blind not to think about the things that happened in the 20th century as evil.

01:31:47.840 And some of the things that happened were so brutal.

01:31:51.020 It's just absolutely unimaginable.

01:31:53.700 And, well, unless you imagine it.

01:31:56.520 And it's right there.

01:31:58.780 It's part of the historical record.

01:32:00.460 And then I think, well, if there's something that's that terrible, it indicates as clearly as anything can that there's also something that's its opposite.

01:32:10.520 And that's whatever it is that's the farthest away possible from that outcome.

01:32:15.620 Now, that doesn't mean we can exactly say what it is.

01:32:17.980 Because it's easier to grip, in some sense, what it means to torture and break and hurt.

01:32:24.060 And not to be able to conceptualize so clearly how you would have to act if you were acting in the exact opposite manner.

01:32:30.180 But at least it implies that it exists.

01:32:32.560 And I see that pattern being laid out in this dreamlike manner in the New Testament.

01:32:37.500 And it has something to do with, well, it has something to do, and this is for sure, with the voluntary acceptance of mortality.

01:32:45.260 Because, of course, that's the poisoned apple, right?

01:32:48.120 The fact that everybody looks forward into the future to know that you're finite, and so is everything that you love.

01:32:53.420 And it's very difficult for that not to poison your existence.

01:32:57.000 And, well, there's no getting out of it, as far as we can tell.

01:33:00.600 But there might be something like switching your attitude to it.

01:33:03.440 And you could say, well, that's the price you pay for being.

01:33:06.580 And the heroic thing to do is to accept that, and not even to accept it grudgingly.

01:33:10.820 To say, all right, I'm going to go along with that.

01:33:13.320 I'm going to accept that.

01:33:14.400 And I'm going to act, nonetheless, as if being is good.

01:33:17.880 And then I'm going to see how things turn out.

01:33:20.940 It's something like that.

01:33:22.960 And God saw that it was good.

01:33:24.360 And so it's an act of courage, right?

01:33:26.780 There's an act of courage that's associated with that transformation of attitude.

01:33:30.940 And even with regards to the notion that the world is good.

01:33:33.480 It's a courageous attitude.

01:33:35.620 Especially given that there's so much evidence that makes that conclusion difficult to continually draw.

01:33:42.100 But the alternative seems to me to be far worse.

01:33:45.400 So there's God again with the sun behind him.

01:33:50.040 Because he's associated with the solar consciousness.

01:33:54.120 And he's creating all these strange, wonderful creatures.

01:33:57.460 And, you know, it's a...

01:34:00.720 And people say, well, you know, the idea of God as an old man in the sky, let's say.

01:34:05.780 That's primitive.

01:34:07.100 It's much more better to think about it as a...

01:34:10.000 Much more better?

01:34:11.100 Jesus.

01:34:13.280 Anyways.

01:34:14.120 It's more sophisticated to think of the divine essence as a disembodied spirit or something like that.

01:34:19.740 But, you know, that's not so obvious either.

01:34:22.340 Because, as I already pointed out, there isn't anything that's more complicated than a human being.

01:34:27.980 And so, the idea that the divine is something that's at least as complicated as a human being strikes me as something that's actually quite reasonable.

01:34:37.260 And I know it's a metaphor.

01:34:38.580 Although I don't know to what degree it is a metaphor.

01:34:40.820 And it's also something that's embodied.

01:34:42.900 And I really...

01:34:43.740 That's also a very interesting notion, you know.

01:34:45.820 Because it's become increasingly obvious as we've tried to do such things as produce artificial intelligence.

01:34:51.620 That it's very difficult to produce an intelligence or perhaps a consciousness that isn't embodied in some manner.

01:34:59.120 It can't be just a spirit.

01:35:01.840 A spirit without form.

01:35:03.600 And I think that's part of the reason, too, why Christianity put so much emphasis at the end of time on the resurrection of the body.

01:35:10.320 Because there's a drive in there to ennoble the idea of the body. 0.73

01:35:17.820 Not just the spirit, the consciousness that floats abstractly above the body.

01:35:22.620 But to say that, no, you can't do that.

01:35:25.020 You can't just shed that part of you that's heavy and material, so to speak.

01:35:29.260 And leave it behind as if it's of no value.

01:35:31.540 You have to ennoble that as well.

01:35:33.520 And that idea is also linked to the representation of God as a human being.

01:35:39.860 And as a wise human being.

01:35:41.980 And as something that's embodied.

01:35:43.800 And so, at least from the metaphorical perspective.

01:35:46.760 I don't think it's reasonable just to brush your hands across it and say, well, that's primitive.

01:35:52.500 Because I don't think it is.

01:35:54.300 I don't think it's primitive at all.

01:35:57.020 And then God said, let us make man in our image.

01:36:00.400 After our likeness.

01:36:01.460 And it's our, because, well, this is part of the priestly story.

01:36:06.740 There's, as I said, a number of sources for the Old Testament.

01:36:09.480 And in the priestly version, if I remember correctly, it's Elohim.

01:36:13.360 That may be wrong.

01:36:14.540 It doesn't matter.

01:36:15.320 But precisely, it doesn't matter.

01:36:17.620 Because the notion is that the God who's in the background of this story has a kind of plurality of being.

01:36:24.840 Right?

01:36:25.020 And it looks like the idea of monotheism arose with great difficulty across time.

01:36:29.540 Because there are lots of powers.

01:36:32.820 And the idea that there's a power of powers was something that it wasn't easy for people to figure out.

01:36:38.600 You know?

01:36:38.940 Because what's constant across sources of power?

01:36:43.700 Well, some kind of meta power.

01:36:45.240 But it's hard to figure out what that is.

01:36:46.780 And that's what's being represented by the movement, as far as I can tell, from polytheism to monotheism.

01:36:53.000 It's the first, the observation that there are powers that determine the destiny of people, at least in part, that you're subject to.

01:37:00.600 And then the idea that there's something common across all those powers that you can represent, partly, say, with the idea of the sun rising in the morning and fighting its way out of the darkness at night.

01:37:10.220 And that that's associated with consciousness and sovereignty.

01:37:12.820 It's very, very...

01:37:13.560 See?

01:37:15.000 One of the things that bothers me about simple-minded atheism, and I would say the simple-minded atheism is of the sort that regards these stories as nothing but simple superstitions, is that it's very, very poorly informed.

01:37:28.220 Because whatever these stories are, they are not merely simple superstitions.

01:37:32.320 They weren't conjured up by some cabal of priests to bamboozle the masses, even though they were used for that purposes from time to time.

01:37:40.020 It's much, much more complicated than that.

01:37:42.780 They have a very ancient lineage, and they're tied together with all sorts of other stories.

01:37:46.800 And there's an emergent wisdom in them.

01:37:49.820 And I think the right way to view them is as the birthplace of sophisticated philosophical ideas.

01:37:55.760 And so you have to wrestle with these stories.

01:37:57.580 You can't just...

01:37:58.940 And I said already that I'm going to be as rational as I possibly can in my discussion of these stories, and not refer to anything metaphysical, except when that's absolutely necessary.

01:38:07.460 Even though I don't want to eliminate the possibility of a metaphysical reality, because I think that's premature.

01:38:14.280 But you have to take the story seriously if you're going to approach the problem properly.

01:38:22.880 You can't just casually dismiss them.

01:38:25.140 It's not appropriate.

01:38:26.060 And so, so let us make man in our image.

01:38:29.540 That's a very interesting idea.

01:38:31.040 And like I said, it's not easy to understand how it was that human beings came up with the idea that us lowly creatures were...

01:38:38.420 So with the Mesopotamians, for example, and the Greeks were like this too.

01:38:42.100 Human beings weren't godlike. 0.60

01:38:44.000 They were the playthings of the gods.

01:38:46.560 Right?

01:38:46.820 They were just...

01:38:48.100 The gods just tortured us for their amusement, you know.

01:38:51.080 Love and hatred and anger and all those powerful forces.

01:38:54.400 We were just playthings to the gods.

01:38:57.040 There wasn't anything particularly divine about us.

01:38:59.240 The notion that, in some sense, we partake of the divineness.

01:39:03.200 That's a staggering idea.

01:39:04.780 And you don't want to underestimate the difficulty that there was in abstracting that.

01:39:09.640 Or the utility of that idea for our current mode of being.

01:39:12.380 Let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and all the earth.

01:39:18.300 And over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.

01:39:23.280 So God created man in his own image.

01:39:26.520 In the image of God, he created him.

01:39:28.680 Male and female, he created them.

01:39:30.880 That's interesting because there is more than one creation story in Genesis.

01:39:34.840 And in this story, males and females are basically created at the same time.

01:39:38.340 Now, later, Eve is extracted out of Adam.

01:39:41.880 And we'll talk about that.

01:39:43.060 But not here.

01:39:44.240 It's the two sexes are generated simultaneously. 0.99

01:39:46.760 And they both carry within them the divine stamp.

01:39:49.800 Which is very egalitarian and very appropriate.

01:39:52.500 And I think unbelievably advanced.

01:39:54.280 That's what it looks like to me.

01:39:56.320 And God blessed them.

01:39:57.600 Well, that's a good thing.

01:39:58.920 And God said to them,

01:40:00.260 Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it.

01:40:02.840 And have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens.

01:40:06.060 And over every living thing that moves on the earth.

01:40:09.720 And there's God creating Adam and Eve.

01:40:13.420 And they're looking pretty happy about the whole thing.

01:40:18.180 And that's Michelangelo's famous Sistine Chapel representation.

01:40:22.160 And there's some cool things about this.

01:40:23.700 I mean, you've got to wonder.

01:40:25.280 This is an aside.

01:40:27.420 And I don't know if it's a credible aside.

01:40:30.420 But it's an interesting aside.

01:40:31.840 So that's a form of credible.

01:40:33.220 What the hell is God doing in this thing?

01:40:36.060 You know?

01:40:36.560 I mean, what is this exactly?

01:40:38.540 And so there's been some interesting answers to that.

01:40:41.640 And this is one of them.

01:40:43.440 So there was a group of scientists about 20 years ago.

01:40:46.160 That were remarked on the precise analogy between this structure.

01:40:53.260 And the brain bisected down the middle.

01:40:56.460 And, of course, Michelangelo was one of the first people who did detailed dissections.

01:41:01.460 And so they felt that Michelangelo had put God inside the brain for some reason.

01:41:09.560 And that seems to me to be associated with the notion that there's, you know, there's an analogy or a metaphorical identity between the notion of whatever God is and the structures that give rise to consciousness.

01:41:21.160 And I think we really underestimate the degree to which consciousness is both, say, miraculous and not understood.

01:41:31.680 I mean, you know, you have what appears to be an entirely material substrate.

01:41:36.860 Yet here you are aware and self-aware and able to generate the world merely in some sense by looking at it.

01:41:43.260 It really is remarkable.

01:41:44.540 And that consciousness is dependent on something that wells up from deep within that material substrate that we don't understand at all.

01:41:51.940 It's really a crazily remarkable thing, you know, and you hear a lot about scientific reductionism.

01:41:59.760 But I'll tell you something that's kind of interesting.

01:42:01.800 And it's a tangent, too.

01:42:02.880 You know, the guy that discovered DNA.

01:42:04.920 I think it was Watson.

01:42:06.520 And it's Watson and Crick, but I don't remember who wrote this book.

01:42:09.020 But one of them.

01:42:11.280 I don't remember which one.

01:42:12.980 He believed that DNA was so complicated that it had to come from space.

01:42:16.820 He didn't believe it could have possibly evolved on Earth.

01:42:19.020 And so, like a lot of these people who are used as exemplars of scientific reductionism aren't like that at all.

01:42:26.780 When you actually read what they had to say, right?

01:42:28.540 They were very aware of the limits of their own knowledge.

01:42:31.520 And, I mean, DNA is something really quite spectacularly remarkable.

01:42:36.020 It's an eternal substance.

01:42:37.400 It's been around for a very long time. 1.00

01:42:38.940 And the idea that we understand it is a very stupid idea. 1.00

01:42:42.060 And I would say that the same thing applies to the brain. 1.00

01:42:45.980 Like, we're scratching away at the surface of something we don't understand at all.

01:42:50.940 And so, it's quite interesting.

01:42:51.980 I think that maybe Michelangelo had enough gall to do that.

01:42:55.220 It's certainly possible.

01:42:56.340 I mean, he had enough gall to do dissections when the cost of that was death.

01:43:01.460 You know, he had to rob corpses, essentially, to go and do it.

01:43:04.480 So, he was, he wasn't, I would say, not particularly politically correct.

01:43:09.480 So, that's kind of interesting.

01:43:12.440 And there's another representation of the same thing.

01:43:16.060 And that's a funny one.

01:43:17.160 I had to throw that in.

01:43:19.720 I don't know how many of you know this.

01:43:21.040 But there's, there's, there's this joke in the atheistic, atheist community.

01:43:25.600 I think it might have been started by Richard Dawkins.

01:43:27.540 But that might be wrong.

01:43:28.680 That it was just as reasonable to believe in the flying spaghetti monster as it was to believe in Gott.

01:43:33.620 And that's the flying spaghetti monster, by the way.

01:43:35.900 And so, that's, that's called touched by his noodley appendage.

01:43:42.280 And anyways, it's not very sophisticated, but it is funny.

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01:45:21.660 So, and God blessed them, and God said to them,

01:45:25.940 Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it,

01:45:29.520 and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heaven,

01:45:32.680 and over every living thing that moves on the earth.

01:45:34.960 And God said,

01:45:36.040 Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth,

01:45:39.740 and every tree with seed in its fruit.

01:45:41.580 You shall have them for food.

01:45:43.820 And to every beast of the earth, and every bird of the heavens,

01:45:46.100 and to everything that creeps on the earth,

01:45:48.080 everything that has the breath of life,

01:45:49.520 I have given every green plant for food.

01:45:51.220 And it was so.

01:45:52.440 And God saw everything he had made,

01:45:54.440 and behold, it was very good.

01:45:56.420 And there was evening, and there was morning the sixth day.

01:45:59.300 Thus, the heavens and the earths were finished,

01:46:01.360 and all the host of them.

01:46:02.880 And on the seventh day, God finished his work that he had done,

01:46:05.680 and he rested on the seventh day from all his work that he had done.

01:46:09.180 So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy,

01:46:11.760 because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation.

01:46:15.100 And I like that too, you know.

01:46:18.500 One of the, I did a lot of counselling work with people who were,

01:46:22.200 coaching work, I guess, with people who were fairly spectacularly successful,

01:46:26.560 and they were usually workaholics, you know,

01:46:28.700 they're the sort of people that were, like, they'd work 80 hours a week,

01:46:31.300 just non-stop.

01:46:32.400 That's just what they were like.

01:46:33.500 And one of the things we were always trying to figure out was,

01:46:36.120 well, how much should you work?

01:46:38.320 Because one answer is, you just work till you die, right?

01:46:40.780 I mean, you just exhaust yourself.

01:46:42.580 And, well, that's not, that's not a good idea.

01:46:45.200 And then you have to figure out why that isn't a good idea.

01:46:48.340 It's got to be something like this, is that,

01:46:50.720 you don't want to do so much work that the amount of work you do

01:46:53.380 interferes with the amount of work that you could still do.

01:46:56.760 Right?

01:46:57.620 Because if you work, like, mad for two weeks,

01:46:59.900 and then you, like, you have to lie in a hospital bed for a month,

01:47:03.040 that obviously isn't very productive.

01:47:04.820 So you have to figure out how much you can work diligently,

01:47:08.540 and then how much you have to recuperate,

01:47:10.360 so that you can get back up and work again.

01:47:12.420 And, you know, that's, people have basically settled on something like this,

01:47:16.220 and given it the divine imprimatur, that's one way of thinking about it,

01:47:19.520 which is, well, you can toil away for six days,

01:47:22.200 and no wonder, because you have to work,

01:47:23.700 but you should rest at least one day out of seven,

01:47:26.180 because otherwise, well, you don't appreciate life,

01:47:29.320 that might be part of it,

01:47:30.340 and plus, I think it's more a matter of iterability.

01:47:34.000 You know, because one of the things that defines morality

01:47:36.380 is the capacity to repeat something.

01:47:39.200 Right?

01:47:39.520 So if something is properly structured in a moral manner,

01:47:42.820 then you can do it over and over and over again

01:47:44.560 without any degeneration.

01:47:46.280 And so that's kind of like a relationship.

01:47:48.120 If your relationship is negotiated,

01:47:50.160 you can continue to negotiate it,

01:47:51.760 and then you can have a relationship that lasts for a long time.

01:47:54.080 You can do it today, and next week, and next month, and next year.

01:47:57.540 You can maintain it across time.

01:47:59.740 And this, I would say, is the wisdom that's been garnered over

01:48:04.240 God only knows what period of time,

01:48:06.220 to say, well, look, I mean, even God needed to take a break

01:48:09.180 and appreciate what was going on,

01:48:10.620 and it's not such a bad thing for people to follow that pattern.

01:48:14.280 And that's a good thing for modern people to know

01:48:16.300 because we seem to be, even though, you know,

01:48:19.620 we're very wealthy by historical standards,

01:48:22.300 our capacity to relax isn't exactly what it could be,

01:48:24.900 and I think that's really hard on people.

01:48:28.460 Okay, so I'm going to go over again

01:48:30.660 the idea of the attributes of God.

01:48:33.400 I talked about that a little bit last week,

01:48:35.360 but I want to return to it

01:48:36.840 because I think it's worth dwelling on a little bit

01:48:40.920 because we're trying to figure out

01:48:42.100 what it is that people were trying to formulate

01:48:44.900 when they were formulating these representations.

01:48:47.100 And we've sort of come to the conclusion that

01:48:49.420 there is an attempt to abstract out

01:48:53.520 the nature of power from specific aspects of power,

01:48:57.260 and there's some attempt to associate that with consciousness

01:49:00.540 as that which gives rise to being itself,

01:49:03.560 and there's some attempt to associate that consciousness

01:49:05.880 with something that has a cosmic quality,

01:49:08.720 whatever that might mean,

01:49:10.340 and it's a statement that it has a cosmic quality

01:49:13.940 rather than a discovery.

01:49:16.400 It's a mere statement that there's something about consciousness

01:49:19.680 that has world-generating significance

01:49:21.920 and also the implication that it's associated with human beings as well.

01:49:26.460 It's a very interesting set of propositions,

01:49:29.580 and I don't believe that they're simply refutable.

01:49:32.680 It's a perfectly coherent argument

01:49:34.580 even though it's primarily made metaphorically.

01:49:36.740 And so then, once again,

01:49:38.280 I want to build up the framework of associations

01:49:42.060 around the idea of God.

01:49:43.700 One of the things that Freud did

01:49:45.760 when he was interpreting dreams,

01:49:47.120 and this is quite useful, you know,

01:49:48.340 so if someone comes to me with a dream,

01:49:50.740 then I have them tell me the whole dream,

01:49:52.680 and then I get them to repeat it line by line,

01:49:56.680 and then whenever they say a line

01:49:59.840 and there's an object in it or a person

01:50:02.000 or something like that,

01:50:02.720 I ask them what that makes them remember

01:50:05.380 or what that thing means to them

01:50:07.880 or what comes to mind,

01:50:08.960 and that's the associational technique,

01:50:10.680 and it's predicated on the idea

01:50:12.160 that your memory works by association,

01:50:15.600 and you know that if you're daydreaming,

01:50:17.280 you know, you go from one thing to another

01:50:18.660 like a conversation does,

01:50:20.180 and that you can take an idea

01:50:21.920 that's at the center of a web of associations

01:50:24.100 and by tracking the associations,

01:50:26.460 you can kind of zero in on what the idea might mean.

01:50:29.360 And then Jung expanded that

01:50:31.420 by trying to,

01:50:32.700 he called it to amplify the dream

01:50:34.680 by thinking about narrative

01:50:36.580 or literary or mythological similarities

01:50:39.340 that might be associated

01:50:41.460 with the narrative structure of the dream,

01:50:43.300 and I think often that can be unbelievably useful,

01:50:46.340 you know,

01:50:46.580 and it's like the dream is an idea

01:50:48.460 that's trying to come to birth.

01:50:50.240 It's partly formulated,

01:50:51.660 and then if you discuss it and amplify it,

01:50:53.880 it's like you can speed along its transformation

01:50:56.220 into a more articulated idea,

01:50:58.140 and the dream is also something that,

01:51:00.920 because your brain,

01:51:01.920 your mind is trying to,

01:51:03.740 with one foot in the unknown,

01:51:05.280 it's trying to formulate

01:51:06.280 what's out there in the unknown

01:51:08.760 and to make it concrete,

01:51:10.000 but it doesn't do that in one fell swoop.

01:51:12.380 It doesn't just take potential

01:51:13.780 and turn it into articulated ideas.

01:51:16.660 It has to dream up what's out there first,

01:51:19.140 projects its imagination out there

01:51:20.960 to get a handle on what it might be,

01:51:23.080 and then that's presented in the dream,

01:51:24.880 and if you analyze the dream,

01:51:26.040 you can make it more articulate.

01:51:27.160 And so that's what we're going to do

01:51:29.840 with the attributes of God

01:51:30.980 to build up the representational structure

01:51:33.560 a little bit.

01:51:34.360 So the hypothesis is that God

01:51:36.960 is an abstracted ideal,

01:51:38.840 formulated in large part

01:51:40.180 to dissociate the ideal

01:51:41.860 from any particular incarnation

01:51:43.680 or man or ruler.

01:51:45.580 And the underlying idea there too

01:51:47.320 is that when the ruler becomes the ideal,

01:51:49.280 the state turns into the biblical Egypt.

01:51:51.360 And the biblical Egypt is a tyranny. 0.91

01:51:53.700 And so there's a very, very solid idea

01:51:56.260 in the Old Testament

01:51:57.440 that I think took people,

01:51:58.900 God only knows,

01:51:59.760 how long to figure out

01:52:00.700 that if you transformed,

01:52:02.360 if you confused the notion

01:52:05.260 of sovereignty

01:52:06.040 with the current sovereign,

01:52:09.780 then your culture

01:52:10.640 immediately degenerated

01:52:12.040 into a totalitarian state

01:52:13.520 and turned to stone.

01:52:15.340 And that was deadly.

01:52:16.320 Then you were slaves.

01:52:17.540 And then the thing

01:52:18.040 was going to collapse as well.

01:52:19.400 Like, no matter how big

01:52:20.380 and grandiose,

01:52:21.460 as soon as the ruler

01:52:22.500 became the concrete incarnation

01:52:24.800 of the ideal,

01:52:25.960 there was no distinction

01:52:26.980 between the man

01:52:27.860 and the divine notion

01:52:29.460 of the ideal,

01:52:30.460 then the society was doomed.

01:52:32.260 And I think that that's a less,

01:52:33.520 I think that's,

01:52:34.700 well, I think that's true.

01:52:36.400 It's as simple as that.

01:52:37.820 And I think we saw

01:52:39.100 more than enough evidence

01:52:40.740 of that in the 20th century.

01:52:42.420 And we're certainly seeing

01:52:43.200 the same thing repeating itself.

01:52:44.580 Now, when the ruler

01:52:45.760 becomes the ideal,

01:52:46.740 the state turns into

01:52:47.580 the biblical Egypt.

01:52:48.580 And the biblical Egypt

01:52:49.360 is the archetypal tyranny.

01:52:51.040 So, what is God like?

01:52:53.500 Well, from the Christian perspective,

01:52:55.180 there's three elements.

01:52:59.160 One is,

01:52:59.640 seems to have something

01:53:00.400 to do with tradition.

01:53:02.200 And so, that's God the Father.

01:53:03.640 And that's partly

01:53:04.460 the embodiment,

01:53:05.580 I would say,

01:53:06.620 of the human being.

01:53:07.980 And that's an ancient,

01:53:09.040 ancient thing.

01:53:10.120 And it's also partly

01:53:11.120 the embodiment

01:53:12.280 of the tradition

01:53:13.220 of human beings,

01:53:14.360 which is also

01:53:14.820 a very ancient thing.

01:53:15.960 And that's the structure,

01:53:17.280 as I said.

01:53:18.260 It's the structure

01:53:19.020 that consciousness

01:53:20.160 emerges from

01:53:21.480 that enables us

01:53:22.460 to grapple

01:53:23.060 with the unknown as such.

01:53:24.300 And then there's

01:53:25.280 the intermediary

01:53:27.720 between that

01:53:28.380 and Christ.

01:53:29.680 Say, that's the Holy Spirit.

01:53:31.000 That's that bird.

01:53:32.260 And that's the spirit

01:53:33.520 in a more abstracted sense.

01:53:35.040 And I would say

01:53:35.680 that's probably

01:53:36.340 as close as Christianity

01:53:37.500 ever got

01:53:38.180 to the notion

01:53:39.120 of consciousness

01:53:39.840 as such.

01:53:41.260 You know,

01:53:41.600 disembodied consciousness.

01:53:42.980 Something like that.

01:53:44.040 And then there's

01:53:44.700 the notion

01:53:45.940 of the suffering individual.

01:53:47.900 And that's

01:53:48.820 a very complicated idea.

01:53:51.160 And it's something like,

01:53:52.040 in order for,

01:53:54.760 so there's this idea,

01:53:56.640 an old idea,

01:53:57.640 and I believe

01:53:58.040 this was originally

01:53:58.700 a Jewish idea,

01:53:59.620 that something

01:54:01.020 with the attributes

01:54:01.820 of God,

01:54:02.620 omniscience,

01:54:03.300 omnipresence,

01:54:04.020 and omnipotence,

01:54:05.560 lacks something.

01:54:07.160 So it's like a Zen cone.

01:54:08.460 It's a really interesting idea

01:54:09.600 because, well,

01:54:10.160 what in the world

01:54:10.720 can something like that lack?

01:54:12.240 And the idea

01:54:12.820 is limitation.

01:54:13.540 So,

01:54:15.700 something that's everything

01:54:16.660 lacks limitation.

01:54:18.160 And that's,

01:54:18.760 that idea,

01:54:19.780 like,

01:54:20.060 when I first encountered that,

01:54:21.220 just blew me away.

01:54:22.280 I thought it was such a,

01:54:23.160 such a brilliant,

01:54:24.340 brilliant realization

01:54:25.260 that there are advantages

01:54:27.000 to not being able

01:54:28.520 to do things.

01:54:29.680 Because,

01:54:30.140 partly because it gives you

01:54:31.220 something to do.

01:54:32.080 I suppose that's,

01:54:32.880 that's a big part of it,

01:54:33.940 right?

01:54:34.160 Is,

01:54:34.640 if you had everything

01:54:35.560 you wanted at,

01:54:36.420 at every moment,

01:54:37.760 at,

01:54:38.180 at your fingertips,

01:54:39.140 well,

01:54:40.540 that's,

01:54:41.460 there's,

01:54:41.980 there's nothing,

01:54:42.780 there's no story.

01:54:44.060 And,

01:54:44.460 it's funny,

01:54:45.000 you know,

01:54:45.200 because that happened

01:54:45.720 to Superman,

01:54:46.420 you know,

01:54:46.660 the cartoon character.

01:54:48.260 By the 1980s,

01:54:49.240 he could juggle planets

01:54:50.240 and you could bounce,

01:54:51.100 like, 0.94

01:54:51.240 hydrogen bombs off him 0.99

01:54:52.420 and it'd be fine.

01:54:53.260 And it's like,

01:54:53.680 everyone got bored

01:54:54.540 because,

01:54:55.240 well,

01:54:55.380 what were you going to do

01:54:55.920 to Superman?

01:54:57.040 It's like, 0.94

01:54:57.320 you lob a hydrogen bomb at him

01:54:58.840 and he just brushes it off

01:54:59.960 and,

01:55:00.140 like,

01:55:00.360 combs his hair

01:55:01.000 and that's the end of that.

01:55:02.140 And the whole cartoon series

01:55:03.640 basically died

01:55:04.580 because,

01:55:06.420 he didn't have any flaws.

01:55:07.980 There's no story

01:55:08.780 without the limitation.

01:55:10.320 And I think that's an absolutely

01:55:11.500 remarkable idea.

01:55:13.000 And so,

01:55:13.460 part of

01:55:13.860 the notion of Christ

01:55:15.780 and this is something

01:55:17.000 that I've puzzled over

01:55:17.860 for a long time

01:55:18.580 and I learned a lot of this

01:55:19.580 from Jung

01:55:20.040 is that there's idea

01:55:20.860 in Christianity

01:55:21.440 that there's consciousness

01:55:22.960 as such

01:55:23.820 which,

01:55:24.360 which in some sense

01:55:25.380 is eternal.

01:55:26.080 It stretches from the beginning

01:55:27.060 of the time

01:55:27.640 to the end of time.

01:55:28.860 But it's this abstracted notion.

01:55:30.880 But it lacks a certain

01:55:31.760 kind of reality

01:55:32.600 because it's not

01:55:33.260 instantiated somewhere.

01:55:35.180 Not,

01:55:35.380 it's not instantiated

01:55:36.500 in a specific time

01:55:37.860 and place

01:55:38.720 in history.

01:55:39.820 And so,

01:55:40.240 the idea of the sun,

01:55:42.320 the third part

01:55:43.080 of the trinity

01:55:43.540 or one of the three parts

01:55:44.980 of the trinity

01:55:45.460 is the notion

01:55:46.140 that tradition

01:55:47.540 and consciousness

01:55:48.760 as such

01:55:49.760 also has to be

01:55:50.820 embedded

01:55:51.320 in history

01:55:52.420 in a particular

01:55:53.200 time and place.

01:55:54.860 And so,

01:55:55.140 there's the archetypal

01:55:56.180 embeddedness

01:55:57.220 and that would be

01:55:57.740 the incarnation

01:55:58.320 and that's the perfect man

01:55:59.900 right,

01:56:00.180 who accepts his mortality

01:56:01.560 and acts

01:56:02.440 in a virtuous manner.

01:56:03.360 But it's the archetypal story

01:56:06.960 of every individual

01:56:07.820 as well.

01:56:08.420 And you know,

01:56:08.700 there's a very strong strain

01:56:10.380 in Christianity.

01:56:11.380 I would say

01:56:12.000 this is more pronounced

01:56:12.900 in orthodox Christianity

01:56:14.000 that the purpose of,

01:56:18.180 that the proper path

01:56:19.420 of life

01:56:20.020 is to take

01:56:21.760 the tradition,

01:56:23.260 let's say,

01:56:23.760 and the spirit

01:56:24.420 that's associated

01:56:25.240 with consciousness

01:56:26.280 as such

01:56:27.160 and to act it out

01:56:28.840 in your life,

01:56:30.240 in your own personal life,

01:56:31.500 in a manner

01:56:32.040 that's analogous

01:56:33.180 to the manner

01:56:33.800 in which Christ

01:56:34.520 acted it out

01:56:35.220 in his life.

01:56:36.020 And what that means

01:56:36.720 in part is

01:56:37.400 the acceptance

01:56:40.180 of the tragic

01:56:41.340 preconditions

01:56:42.040 of existence.

01:56:42.920 And so,

01:56:43.180 that's partly

01:56:43.760 betrayal,

01:56:45.300 right,

01:56:45.640 betrayal by friends

01:56:46.560 and by family

01:56:47.240 and by the state.

01:56:48.480 And it's partly

01:56:49.120 punishment for sins

01:56:51.000 that you did not commit

01:56:52.360 as well as the ones

01:56:53.400 you did commit

01:56:54.040 and sometimes

01:56:54.580 that's just a relief.

01:56:55.640 But, you know,

01:56:56.200 the arbitrary nature

01:56:57.120 of justice

01:56:57.740 and also the fact

01:56:59.700 of finitude

01:57:00.560 and the notion

01:57:01.900 is that your duty,

01:57:03.600 let's say,

01:57:04.280 and the way

01:57:04.720 to set things

01:57:05.620 right in the cosmos

01:57:06.720 is to accept

01:57:07.640 that as a necessary

01:57:08.660 precondition

01:57:09.400 for being

01:57:10.200 and to act

01:57:10.800 virtuously

01:57:11.360 despite that.

01:57:12.760 And that's a very,

01:57:13.480 very powerful idea

01:57:14.460 as far as I'm concerned.

01:57:15.740 And I'm also,

01:57:17.160 you know,

01:57:17.820 the world's a weird place

01:57:18.880 and I've seen

01:57:19.340 some very strange

01:57:20.100 things in my life

01:57:20.920 and one of the things

01:57:21.720 that I've seen

01:57:22.300 is that,

01:57:23.760 you know,

01:57:24.200 I've dealt with

01:57:24.940 some people

01:57:25.400 who are very,

01:57:26.300 let's say,

01:57:27.420 that they weren't

01:57:28.080 on a good path.

01:57:29.140 Let's put it that way.

01:57:30.000 And one of the things

01:57:31.080 that was really interesting

01:57:32.020 about being around

01:57:33.020 people like that,

01:57:33.680 it was like,

01:57:34.080 almost like they were

01:57:34.740 surrounded by a

01:57:35.420 gravitational field

01:57:36.540 of sorts.

01:57:37.360 I'm speaking metaphorically,

01:57:38.580 obviously.

01:57:39.400 And their worldview

01:57:40.700 was so warped

01:57:41.600 and twisted

01:57:42.060 that if you came

01:57:42.800 within contact

01:57:44.020 of them,

01:57:44.580 you all of a sudden

01:57:45.340 started to play

01:57:46.140 a part in their

01:57:47.400 drama.

01:57:48.640 And it was almost

01:57:49.180 inevitable.

01:57:49.880 They would maneuver

01:57:51.260 and manipulate

01:57:52.020 and interpret

01:57:52.780 in a way that

01:57:53.440 made you into

01:57:54.460 the villain

01:57:55.020 in their story

01:57:55.920 no matter what

01:57:56.640 it was that

01:57:57.340 you wanted to do.

01:57:58.080 And unless you've

01:57:59.260 encountered something

01:57:59.940 like that,

01:58:00.460 and many of you

01:58:01.080 probably have,

01:58:02.000 you don't know

01:58:02.880 how powerful

01:58:03.760 a pole that is.

01:58:04.980 And so,

01:58:05.580 it's certainly possible

01:58:06.480 that someone can

01:58:07.520 act like a

01:58:09.640 gravitational object

01:58:11.320 and bend things

01:58:12.420 around them

01:58:13.000 to fit their

01:58:13.980 narrative,

01:58:14.820 their unhappy

01:58:15.980 and tragic narrative.

01:58:17.180 But I've seen

01:58:17.840 the opposite too,

01:58:18.840 you know,

01:58:19.080 where people

01:58:19.540 who were aiming

01:58:21.560 upward with the

01:58:22.480 best of their

01:58:23.020 ability,

01:58:23.400 and because

01:58:23.840 of that

01:58:24.200 they had

01:58:24.600 a positive

01:58:25.040 effect

01:58:25.460 on the

01:58:25.760 people

01:58:25.980 around them

01:58:26.520 and that

01:58:27.180 ordered things

01:58:29.600 around them

01:58:30.160 in profound

01:58:30.760 ways.

01:58:31.300 And I think

01:58:31.760 it's an open

01:58:32.800 question

01:58:33.500 the degree

01:58:34.680 to which

01:58:35.260 the cosmos

01:58:36.180 would order

01:58:36.980 itself around

01:58:37.860 you properly

01:58:38.820 if you

01:58:39.820 got yourself

01:58:41.040 together

01:58:41.440 as much

01:58:41.940 as you could

01:58:42.420 get yourself

01:58:43.000 together.

01:58:44.140 I mean,

01:58:44.920 we know that

01:58:45.380 things can go

01:58:46.000 very,

01:58:46.420 very badly

01:58:46.960 wrong

01:58:47.420 if you do

01:58:48.460 things very

01:58:49.160 badly wrong.

01:58:50.020 There's no doubt

01:58:50.500 about that.

01:58:51.000 But the

01:58:51.920 converse is

01:58:52.540 also true

01:58:53.160 if you

01:58:53.440 start to

01:58:53.900 sort yourself

01:58:54.480 out properly

01:58:55.180 and then

01:58:55.520 you have

01:58:55.840 a beneficial

01:58:56.340 effect

01:58:56.780 on your

01:58:57.080 family.

01:58:57.820 First of

01:58:58.260 all,

01:58:58.400 that's going

01:58:58.720 to echo

01:58:59.020 down the

01:58:59.380 generations,

01:59:00.020 but it

01:59:00.180 also spreads

01:59:00.800 out into

01:59:01.180 the community

01:59:01.760 and we

01:59:02.400 are networked

01:59:03.540 together.

01:59:04.460 You know,

01:59:04.680 we're not

01:59:05.000 associated

01:59:06.380 linearly,

01:59:07.180 we all

01:59:07.440 affect each

01:59:08.040 other.

01:59:08.760 And so,

01:59:09.260 it's an

01:59:09.660 open question

01:59:10.380 the degree

01:59:10.880 to which

01:59:11.440 acting out

01:59:12.620 the notion

01:59:13.220 that being

01:59:15.480 is good

01:59:15.960 and the notion

01:59:16.500 that you can

01:59:16.980 accept its

01:59:17.620 limitations

01:59:18.140 and that you

01:59:18.660 should still

01:59:19.100 strive for

01:59:19.660 virtue.

01:59:20.020 It's an

01:59:20.820 open question

01:59:21.440 how profound

01:59:22.140 effect that

01:59:22.760 would have

01:59:23.180 on the

01:59:23.460 structure of

01:59:23.940 reality

01:59:24.300 if you

01:59:24.660 really chose

01:59:25.240 to act

01:59:25.640 it out.

01:59:26.700 And I've

01:59:27.080 seen things,

01:59:27.700 as I said

01:59:28.140 in my life,

01:59:28.720 that indicate

01:59:29.140 that I do

01:59:29.900 believe there's

01:59:30.400 a metaphysical

01:59:31.140 element to

01:59:31.740 life as well

01:59:32.340 as the

01:59:32.680 rational,

01:59:33.460 practical

01:59:33.820 element.

01:59:34.400 And I think

01:59:35.000 there are

01:59:35.280 times when

01:59:35.740 those two

01:59:36.120 things come

01:59:36.620 together.

01:59:37.100 And I've

01:59:37.360 seen that

01:59:37.800 happen.

01:59:38.920 And so,

01:59:39.260 I don't

01:59:39.620 think we

01:59:40.040 know the

01:59:41.160 limits of

01:59:42.040 virtue.

01:59:42.580 I don't

01:59:42.840 think we

01:59:43.200 know what

01:59:43.900 true virtue

01:59:44.840 could bring

01:59:45.300 about if

01:59:45.800 we aimed at

01:59:47.180 it carefully

01:59:47.700 and practically.

01:59:48.420 And so,

01:59:49.300 the notion

01:59:49.700 that there's

01:59:50.100 something divine

01:59:50.800 about the

01:59:51.260 individual who

01:59:51.960 accepts the

01:59:52.800 conditions of

01:59:53.480 existence and

01:59:54.260 still strives

01:59:55.040 for the

01:59:55.380 good.

01:59:56.540 I think that

01:59:57.380 that's an idea

01:59:58.260 that's very much

01:59:58.980 worth paying

01:59:59.980 attention to.

02:00:00.620 And I think

02:00:01.300 the fact that

02:00:01.840 people have

02:00:02.240 considered that

02:00:02.980 idea for at

02:00:04.340 least 2,000

02:00:05.140 years quite

02:00:05.800 seriously is

02:00:06.860 also an

02:00:07.320 indication that

02:00:08.040 there's at

02:00:08.900 least something

02:00:09.560 to be thought

02:00:10.280 about in

02:00:11.320 relationship to

02:00:12.100 that.

02:00:12.260 So,

02:00:12.700 that's kind

02:00:13.160 of the

02:00:13.360 Trinitarian 0.94

02:00:13.880 idea.

02:00:17.680 Same idea

02:00:18.500 there.

02:00:19.320 And you

02:00:19.700 see,

02:00:20.020 it's interesting

02:00:21.120 too because

02:00:21.580 you have

02:00:21.920 here,

02:00:22.500 you have

02:00:22.720 God,

02:00:23.480 the Father

02:00:23.980 essentially,

02:00:25.140 who's coming

02:00:25.860 out of this

02:00:26.380 strange,

02:00:27.220 you see,

02:00:27.520 this isn't

02:00:27.900 the sky

02:00:28.480 exactly.

02:00:29.160 And you

02:00:29.340 see this

02:00:29.680 very often

02:00:30.280 in these

02:00:30.620 old pictures.

02:00:31.680 It's not

02:00:32.060 exactly the

02:00:32.780 sky,

02:00:33.220 whatever the

02:00:33.600 heaven was

02:00:34.220 that people

02:00:35.740 believed in.

02:00:36.340 It's something

02:00:36.700 that's,

02:00:37.420 it's like

02:00:37.780 the sky

02:00:38.240 opens and

02:00:38.860 there's a

02:00:39.160 dimension

02:00:39.520 beyond the

02:00:40.260 sky.

02:00:40.660 It's something

02:00:40.980 like that.

02:00:41.380 And I

02:00:41.620 wanted to

02:00:42.220 show you

02:00:42.480 this too,

02:00:43.020 just to

02:00:43.320 show you

02:00:43.620 that this

02:00:43.940 isn't

02:00:44.180 only a

02:00:44.700 Western

02:00:45.060 conception.

02:00:46.480 You know,

02:00:46.620 and it

02:00:46.800 has something

02:00:47.260 to do

02:00:47.560 with

02:00:47.720 mystical

02:00:48.060 experience

02:00:48.560 because

02:00:48.820 there's

02:00:49.180 a

02:00:49.740 bodhisattva.

02:00:50.740 It kind

02:00:51.080 of looks

02:00:51.300 like he

02:00:51.600 has a

02:00:51.840 hat.

02:00:52.540 But that's

02:00:52.900 not a

02:00:53.200 hat.

02:00:53.540 That's

02:00:53.720 a whole

02:00:53.920 bunch

02:00:54.180 of

02:00:54.320 bodhisattvas

02:00:55.040 going

02:00:55.660 back

02:00:55.980 to

02:00:56.480 eternity.

02:00:57.660 Right?

02:00:57.900 And this

02:00:58.180 hole in

02:00:58.700 the sky

02:00:59.180 here is

02:01:00.080 like a

02:01:00.400 hole

02:01:00.640 into

02:01:00.900 time.

02:01:01.460 And

02:01:01.540 these

02:01:01.720 things

02:01:01.940 are

02:01:02.080 recurring

02:01:02.500 across

02:01:02.980 time.

02:01:03.400 It's

02:01:03.520 the

02:01:03.660 eternal

02:01:04.260 recurrence

02:01:04.900 of this

02:01:05.320 redemptive

02:01:06.620 archetype.

02:01:07.280 And the

02:01:07.460 sky

02:01:07.740 opens up

02:01:08.360 and you

02:01:09.040 can see

02:01:09.360 that

02:01:09.560 thing

02:01:09.780 recurring

02:01:10.220 and

02:01:10.440 recurring

02:01:10.820 and

02:01:11.040 recurring.

02:01:11.760 Same

02:01:12.080 idea

02:01:12.400 is

02:01:12.520 basically

02:01:12.940 that's

02:01:13.480 the

02:01:13.600 blue

02:01:13.820 Buddha

02:01:14.100 who's

02:01:14.340 a

02:01:14.460 healing

02:01:14.800 entity

02:01:16.560 sitting

02:01:17.240 in a

02:01:17.500 mandala

02:01:17.960 which is

02:01:18.400 like a

02:01:18.780 representation

02:01:19.240 of

02:01:19.640 paradise.

02:01:20.180 And it's

02:01:20.340 the same

02:01:20.680 idea.

02:01:21.100 It's

02:01:21.160 like

02:01:21.300 reality

02:01:22.000 opens

02:01:22.440 up

02:01:22.680 and

02:01:22.840 reveals

02:01:23.200 this

02:01:23.540 image

02:01:23.900 of

02:01:24.060 perfection.

02:01:25.240 And

02:01:25.280 so

02:01:25.520 it's

02:01:26.220 a

02:01:26.420 universal

02:01:27.780 conception

02:01:28.540 and

02:01:29.160 well I

02:01:31.120 think

02:01:31.340 it's

02:01:31.500 a

02:01:31.620 representation

02:01:32.120 of

02:01:32.640 the

02:01:33.500 possibility

02:01:34.940 of

02:01:35.420 the

02:01:35.540 metaphysical

02:01:36.080 and

02:01:36.260 the

02:01:36.380 physical

02:01:36.680 coming

02:01:37.000 together

02:01:37.400 in

02:01:37.660 some

02:01:38.300 sort

02:01:38.600 of

02:01:39.960 communication

02:01:40.520 it's

02:01:41.080 something

02:01:41.340 like

02:01:41.600 that

02:01:41.840 anyways.

02:01:42.760 And I

02:01:43.020 mean

02:01:43.180 you have

02:01:43.600 to

02:01:43.720 remember

02:01:44.060 that

02:01:44.300 there's

02:01:44.480 absolutely

02:01:44.880 no

02:01:45.160 doubt

02:01:45.400 that

02:01:45.600 people

02:01:45.840 have

02:01:46.180 metaphysical

02:01:47.460 and

02:01:48.000 religious

02:01:48.260 experiences.

02:01:49.540 That's

02:01:49.760 an

02:01:50.180 absolute

02:01:50.460 fact.

02:01:50.960 You

02:01:51.040 can

02:01:51.180 induce

02:01:51.520 them

02:01:51.700 chemically.

02:01:52.280 You

02:01:52.360 can

02:01:52.520 induce

02:01:52.800 them

02:01:52.960 electrochemically.

02:01:54.140 Lots

02:01:54.320 of

02:01:54.460 people

02:01:54.640 who

02:01:54.780 have

02:01:54.900 epilepsy

02:01:55.320 have

02:01:55.760 epileptic

02:01:56.880 prodromas

02:01:57.560 that

02:01:57.720 are

02:01:57.820 associated

02:01:58.320 with

02:01:58.560 divine

02:01:58.960 enlightenment.

02:01:59.460 So

02:01:59.860 Dostoevsky

02:02:00.680 for

02:02:00.900 example

02:02:01.300 he had

02:02:02.340 epilepsy

02:02:03.000 and

02:02:03.440 that

02:02:03.860 was

02:02:04.000 really

02:02:04.200 I

02:02:04.340 think

02:02:04.480 one

02:02:04.640 of

02:02:04.700 the

02:02:04.800 things

02:02:05.020 that

02:02:05.160 made

02:02:05.340 him

02:02:05.440 a

02:02:05.540 great

02:02:05.760 author

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02:02:10.520 seizure

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02:02:18.680 the

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02:02:28.360 you

02:02:28.540 can

02:02:28.680 say

02:02:28.880 well

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02:02:29.960 abnormality

02:02:30.800 and

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02:02:31.880 you

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02:02:32.400 God

02:02:32.660 he

02:02:32.800 was

02:02:33.000 Dostoevsky

02:02:33.800 you

02:02:34.000 know

02:02:34.160 and

02:02:34.320 so

02:02:34.460 you

02:02:34.620 can't

02:02:34.880 just

02:02:35.060 brush

02:02:35.340 that

02:02:35.600 off

02:02:36.000 so

02:02:36.960 yeah

02:02:40.520 well

02:02:40.680 so

02:02:40.800 that's

02:02:41.040 the

02:02:41.180 Trinitarian 0.94

02:02:41.680 idea

02:02:42.140 fundamentally

02:02:42.780 and

02:02:43.080 this

02:02:43.380 this

02:02:43.660 notion

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02:02:44.480 the

02:02:44.640 notion

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02:02:48.620 the

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02:02:49.180 you

02:02:49.420 know

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02:02:49.860 an

02:02:49.980 X

02:02:50.280 and

02:02:50.480 the

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02:02:51.940 the

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02:03:06.860 given

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02:03:08.840 the 0.99

02:03:08.980 hell 0.86

02:03:09.100 are 0.99

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02:03:10.520 what

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02:03:15.900 voluntarily

02:03:16.900 accept

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02:03:18.420 and

02:03:18.880 then

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02:03:26.780 good

02:03:26.980 faith

02:03:27.360 and

02:03:27.520 with

02:03:27.680 courage

02:03:28.100 that's

02:03:28.440 the

02:03:28.580 notion

02:03:28.900 and

02:03:29.120 that

02:03:29.240 you're

02:03:29.460 supported

02:03:29.960 you're

02:03:30.540 supported

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02:03:31.120 your

02:03:31.320 tradition

02:03:31.700 and

02:03:31.880 that's

02:03:32.120 why

02:03:32.240 you

02:03:32.380 need

02:03:32.540 your

02:03:32.660 tradition

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02:03:33.580 why

02:03:33.680 you

02:03:33.800 need

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02:03:34.800 tradition

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02:03:36.180 without

02:03:36.940 the

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02:03:38.040 say

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02:03:38.420 father

02:03:38.820 and

02:03:39.420 I

02:03:39.860 mean

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02:03:40.280 both

02:03:40.600 practically

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02:03:44.260 the

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02:03:44.920 you

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02:03:46.180 and

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02:03:46.560 cultural

02:03:46.860 creature

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02:03:47.880 that

02:03:48.160 depth

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02:03:48.760 knowledge

02:03:49.300 you

02:03:49.760 don't

02:03:50.260 have

02:03:50.400 the

02:03:50.540 courage

02:03:50.900 to

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02:03:51.440 it

02:03:51.620 because

02:03:52.420 you

02:03:52.580 don't

02:03:52.740 know

02:03:52.880 what

02:03:53.040 you

02:03:53.220 are

02:03:53.440 what

02:03:53.660 you

02:03:53.800 could

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02:03:54.360 and

02:03:54.820 so

02:03:54.960 without

02:03:55.180 that

02:03:55.440 because

02:03:55.720 you're

02:03:55.900 a

02:03:55.980 historical

02:03:56.480 creature

02:03:57.120 you know

02:03:57.380 what

02:03:57.620 students

02:03:58.380 ask me

02:03:58.820 sometimes

02:03:59.220 why

02:03:59.520 study

02:03:59.900 history

02:04:00.280 it's

02:04:00.480 like

02:04:00.620 well

02:04:00.760 because

02:04:01.060 history

02:04:01.800 is

02:04:01.920 about

02:04:02.140 you

02:04:02.540 that's

02:04:02.980 why

02:04:03.340 it's

02:04:03.620 like

02:04:03.840 history

02:04:04.420 tells

02:04:04.800 you

02:04:04.960 who

02:04:05.120 you

02:04:05.280 are

02:04:05.580 you

02:04:06.000 can't

02:04:06.280 tell

02:04:06.460 who

02:04:15.080 mythology

02:04:15.720 and

02:04:16.000 all

02:04:16.140 this

02:04:16.300 narrative

02:04:16.780 to

02:04:17.040 inform

02:04:17.640 you

02:04:17.960 about

02:04:18.940 what

02:04:19.320 you

02:04:19.520 are

02:04:19.700 beyond

02:04:20.180 what

02:04:20.480 you

02:04:20.700 see

02:04:21.000 of

02:04:21.180 yourself

02:04:21.620 and

02:04:21.800 you

02:04:21.900 know

02:04:22.000 you're

02:04:22.240 pummeled

02:04:22.680 down

02:04:22.880 and

02:04:23.020 people

02:04:23.260 picked

02:04:23.560 on

02:04:23.800 you

02:04:23.960 and

02:04:24.080 there's

02:04:24.500 50

02:04:24.800 things

02:04:25.080 about

02:04:25.300 you

02:04:25.460 that

02:04:25.600 are

02:04:25.680 horrible

02:04:25.980 and 0.99

02:04:26.220 you

02:04:26.620 know

02:04:26.700 you've

02:04:26.900 got a

02:04:27.160 self-esteem

02:04:27.680 problem

02:04:28.040 you're

02:04:28.260 sort

02:04:28.420 of

02:04:28.500 hunched

02:04:28.820 over

02:04:29.060 and

02:04:29.280 you've

02:04:29.660 got

02:04:29.800 all

02:04:29.940 these

02:04:30.100 problems

02:04:30.700 you

02:04:30.920 know

02:04:31.040 and

02:04:31.220 so

02:04:31.400 it's

02:04:31.820 not

02:04:31.980 easy

02:04:32.280 to

02:04:32.460 see

02:04:32.780 let's

02:04:33.340 say

02:04:33.460 the

02:04:33.640 divinity

02:04:34.080 that

02:04:34.340 lurks

02:04:34.600 behind

02:04:34.980 that

02:04:35.240 unless

02:04:35.760 you're

02:04:36.220 aware

02:04:36.840 of

02:04:37.040 the

02:04:37.160 heroic

02:04:37.500 stories

02:04:37.960 of

02:04:38.160 the

02:04:38.300 past

02:04:38.700 and

02:04:38.880 the

02:04:39.340 metaphysics

02:04:40.040 of

02:04:40.260 consciousness

02:04:40.800 let's

02:04:41.220 say

02:04:41.380 I

02:04:41.760 don't

02:04:41.900 think

02:04:42.080 that

02:04:42.200 you

02:04:42.340 can

02:04:42.480 have

02:04:42.680 the

02:04:42.860 courage

02:04:43.280 to

02:04:43.480 regard

02:04:43.880 yourself

02:04:44.240 as

02:04:44.560 the

02:04:44.740 sort

02:04:44.960 of

02:04:45.080 creature

02:04:45.360 that

02:04:45.580 can

02:04:45.780 stand

02:04:46.280 up

02:04:46.600 underneath

02:04:47.160 that

02:04:47.580 intense

02:04:48.020 existential

02:04:48.600 burden

02:04:49.060 and

02:04:49.580 move

02:04:49.880 forward

02:04:50.300 in

02:04:50.540 courage

02:04:51.260 and

02:04:51.520 grace

02:04:51.940 and

02:04:52.700 of

02:04:52.960 course

02:04:53.100 that's

02:04:53.380 part

02:04:53.560 of

02:04:53.640 the

02:04:53.740 reason

02:04:53.940 that

02:04:54.120 I'm

02:04:54.340 talking

02:04:54.820 about

02:04:55.060 these

02:04:55.240 biblical

02:04:55.560 stories

02:04:56.040 and

02:04:56.260 it's

02:04:57.520 9.30

02:04:57.980 so

02:04:58.260 we're

02:04:58.640 going

02:04:58.800 to

02:04:58.880 have

02:04:58.980 to

02:04:59.120 stop

02:04:59.420 okay

02:05:18.240 so

02:05:18.440 we're

02:05:18.600 going

02:05:18.760 to

02:05:18.920 stop

02:05:19.220 exactly

02:05:19.900 at

02:05:20.220 10

02:05:20.560 tonight

02:05:21.020 because

02:05:21.940 that

02:05:22.660 that's

02:05:23.280 the deal

02:05:23.640 with

02:05:23.820 the

02:05:23.980 theater

02:05:24.260 people

02:05:24.680 and

02:05:25.480 so

02:05:25.760 and

02:05:26.200 besides

02:05:26.540 I'll

02:05:26.760 be out

02:05:27.120 of

02:05:27.320 anything

02:05:27.820 intelligent

02:05:28.360 to

02:05:28.640 say

02:05:28.960 by

02:05:29.500 that

02:05:29.740 point

02:05:30.080 certainly

02:05:30.660 so

02:05:31.420 well

02:05:31.620 at

02:05:31.740 least

02:05:31.880 we

02:05:32.020 got

02:05:32.160 through

02:05:32.340 one

02:05:32.640 story

02:05:33.000 so

02:05:33.220 that

02:05:33.380 was

02:05:33.540 good

02:05:33.820 so

02:05:34.500 yeah

02:05:35.860 okay

02:05:42.120 let's

02:05:43.800 give

02:05:43.980 everyone

02:05:44.300 like

02:05:44.540 two

02:05:44.760 you know

02:05:45.200 just a

02:05:45.660 few

02:05:45.800 seconds

02:05:46.120 to

02:05:46.320 settle

02:05:46.560 down

02:05:46.860 and

02:05:47.060 everyone

02:05:48.740 who

02:05:48.980 wants

02:05:49.180 to

02:05:49.360 leave

02:05:49.560 can

02:05:49.740 leave

02:05:50.060 so

02:05:52.220 thank

02:05:52.480 you

02:05:52.620 for

02:05:52.780 all

02:05:52.980 for

02:05:53.340 coming

02:05:53.600 by

02:05:53.800 the

02:05:53.900 way

02:05:54.040 I'm

02:05:54.460 constantly

02:05:54.940 amazed

02:05:55.420 that

02:05:55.780 you

02:05:56.400 know

02:05:56.540 everybody

02:05:56.840 comes

02:05:57.200 and

02:05:57.380 listens

02:05:57.620 to

02:05:57.820 this

02:05:58.040 because

02:05:58.360 you

02:05:59.080 know

02:05:59.220 it's

02:05:59.540 just

02:05:59.800 well

02:06:01.800 it's

02:06:02.680 strange

02:06:03.120 let's

02:06:03.720 put it

02:06:03.980 that

02:06:04.180 way

02:06:04.400 so

02:06:05.280 so far

02:06:05.960 it's

02:06:06.120 been

02:06:06.260 fun

02:06:06.560 though

02:06:06.760 so

02:06:06.940 that's

02:06:07.220 good

02:06:07.440 okay

02:06:08.140 let's

02:06:08.560 go

02:06:08.880 hi

02:06:10.520 oh

02:06:10.760 that

02:06:11.040 works

02:06:11.320 hi

02:06:11.560 Dr.

02:06:11.920 Peterson

02:06:12.240 I was

02:06:13.740 raised

02:06:14.400 Catholic

02:06:14.880 and

02:06:15.580 anytime

02:06:16.120 there

02:06:16.460 was

02:06:16.620 a bit

02:06:16.880 of

02:06:17.000 an

02:06:17.960 inherent

02:06:18.340 contradiction

02:06:18.920 let's

02:06:19.240 call it

02:06:19.720 in the

02:06:20.080 documents

02:06:20.500 of the

02:06:20.740 Bible

02:06:21.040 it

02:06:21.520 would

02:06:21.600 be

02:06:21.720 referred

02:06:21.980 to

02:06:22.240 as

02:06:22.380 a

02:06:22.520 mystery

02:06:22.880 and

02:06:23.080 there's

02:06:23.280 one

02:06:23.520 mystery

02:06:23.840 I've

02:06:24.000 always

02:06:24.200 kind

02:06:24.440 of

02:06:24.540 wondered

02:06:24.840 about

02:06:25.160 and

02:06:25.400 it's

02:06:25.900 very

02:06:26.100 important

02:06:26.460 to

02:06:26.600 Genesis

02:06:26.920 how do

02:06:28.040 you

02:06:28.400 how do

02:06:29.800 you deal

02:06:30.260 with

02:06:30.640 a

02:06:30.980 perfect

02:06:31.420 God

02:06:31.900 or the

02:06:32.400 conception

02:06:32.800 of a

02:06:33.120 perfect

02:06:33.380 God

02:06:33.800 who by

02:06:34.800 nature

02:06:35.340 is

02:06:35.860 incapable

02:06:36.320 of an

02:06:36.860 imperfect

02:06:37.300 design

02:06:37.800 sorry

02:06:38.120 incapable

02:06:38.780 of a

02:06:39.140 perfect

02:06:39.400 design

02:06:39.860 so what

02:06:40.620 I mean

02:06:40.820 by that

02:06:41.100 is

02:06:41.220 many

02:06:41.420 religions

02:06:41.900 present

02:06:42.380 for example

02:06:42.960 good and

02:06:43.440 evil

02:06:43.700 as

02:06:43.920 separate

02:06:44.300 deities

02:06:44.820 that

02:06:45.440 pre-existed

02:06:46.280 simultaneously

02:06:47.000 what's

02:06:47.840 interesting

02:06:48.240 about

02:06:48.440 Christianity

02:06:48.840 is

02:06:49.300 that

02:06:49.720 Lucifer

02:06:50.640 the

02:06:50.860 embodiment

02:06:51.400 of

02:06:51.580 evil

02:06:51.880 in

02:06:52.100 the

02:06:52.240 Christian

02:06:52.540 religion

02:06:52.920 is

02:06:53.520 an

02:06:53.700 outgrowth

02:06:54.300 of

02:06:54.500 God

02:06:54.800 and

02:06:55.700 is

02:06:55.960 sometimes

02:06:56.420 Milton

02:06:57.020 for example

02:06:57.540 presents

02:06:57.960 him

02:06:58.120 as

02:06:58.340 a

02:06:58.840 rebel

02:06:59.140 against

02:06:59.700 his

02:07:00.460 interpretation

02:07:01.180 of

02:07:01.580 God's

02:07:01.960 tyranny

02:07:02.360 right 0.77

02:07:02.820 another

02:07:03.420 example

02:07:03.820 you know

02:07:04.120 we

02:07:04.320 didn't

02:07:05.160 touch

02:07:05.460 on

02:07:05.780 Eden

02:07:06.760 today

02:07:07.160 but

02:07:07.480 in

02:07:07.720 paradise

02:07:08.260 supposedly

02:07:09.580 perfect

02:07:10.260 garden

02:07:10.620 a

02:07:10.800 perfect

02:07:11.100 design

02:07:11.640 is

02:07:12.340 infiltrated

02:07:13.160 again

02:07:13.500 by that

02:07:14.060 evil

02:07:14.540 outgrowth

02:07:15.240 of a

02:07:16.040 so-called

02:07:16.400 perfect

02:07:16.780 God

02:07:17.040 so

02:07:17.300 from

02:07:17.780 a

02:07:17.940 psychological

02:07:18.500 perspective

02:07:19.240 do you

02:07:19.760 think

02:07:19.920 there's

02:07:20.160 a

02:07:20.320 significance

02:07:20.760 to

02:07:21.120 this

02:07:21.420 presentation

02:07:22.400 of

02:07:22.860 perfection

02:07:23.400 yet

02:07:23.820 the

02:07:24.680 contradictory

02:07:25.460 flaws

02:07:26.260 that are

02:07:26.620 sort of

02:07:27.060 naturally

02:07:28.140 part of

02:07:28.740 that

02:07:29.040 perfection

02:07:30.400 quote

02:07:31.060 unquote

02:07:31.440 so

02:07:33.740 good

02:07:34.080 that's

02:07:34.400 a good

02:07:34.600 simple

02:07:34.900 question

02:07:35.380 we're

02:07:38.500 starting

02:07:38.800 good

02:07:39.120 see

02:07:39.880 Jung

02:07:40.200 Carl

02:07:40.560 Jung

02:07:40.880 he was

02:07:41.620 kind of

02:07:41.920 Manichaean

02:07:42.480 in his

02:07:42.800 approach

02:07:43.140 he

02:07:43.440 tended

02:07:44.580 towards

02:07:45.020 thinking

02:07:45.360 that

02:07:45.580 evil

02:07:45.900 in

02:07:46.120 some

02:07:46.340 sense

02:07:46.600 was

02:07:46.760 a

02:07:46.920 separate

02:07:47.200 entity

02:07:47.600 you

02:07:48.400 know

02:07:48.480 and

02:07:48.600 I

02:07:48.740 thought

02:07:48.940 about

02:07:49.160 that

02:07:49.340 for

02:07:49.480 a

02:07:49.600 long

02:07:49.760 time

02:07:50.040 because

02:07:50.340 there's

02:07:51.000 a potency

02:07:51.580 about

02:07:51.880 evil

02:07:52.160 that

02:07:52.380 just

02:07:52.620 can't

02:07:52.940 be

02:07:53.140 brushed

02:07:53.620 away

02:07:53.960 and

02:07:54.480 I

02:07:54.900 mean

02:07:55.080 this

02:07:55.560 most

02:07:55.840 practically

02:07:56.380 as I've

02:07:57.000 said

02:07:57.280 for people

02:07:58.860 in my

02:07:59.160 clinical

02:07:59.420 practice

02:07:59.840 I've dealt

02:08:00.700 with many

02:08:01.060 people

02:08:01.340 who were

02:08:01.600 touched

02:08:01.820 by malevolence

02:08:02.640 and there's

02:08:02.940 no other

02:08:03.260 way

02:08:03.480 of stating

02:08:04.520 it

02:08:04.700 properly

02:08:05.040 and this

02:08:05.380 happens

02:08:05.660 a lot

02:08:05.980 to people

02:08:06.560 who have

02:08:06.920 post-traumatic

02:08:07.740 stress

02:08:08.020 disorder

02:08:14.580 misunderstanding

02:08:15.020 you can

02:08:15.560 forget

02:08:15.780 about

02:08:16.020 that

02:08:16.260 it

02:08:16.380 wasn't

02:08:16.620 that

02:08:16.800 at

02:08:16.920 all

02:08:17.180 and so

02:08:18.040 to

02:08:18.980 deny

02:08:19.740 the

02:08:20.160 reality

02:08:20.600 of

02:08:20.820 evil

02:08:21.080 in

02:08:21.260 some

02:08:21.460 sense

02:08:21.700 I think

02:08:21.980 is the

02:08:22.220 ultimate

02:08:22.520 in

02:08:22.720 naivety

02:08:23.240 even

02:08:23.720 though

02:08:23.920 it's

02:08:24.120 a word

02:08:24.560 that

02:08:24.760 you

02:08:24.960 won't

02:08:25.140 hear

02:08:25.380 used

02:08:25.960 for example

02:08:26.640 very often

02:08:27.180 in

02:08:27.380 universities

02:08:27.840 anymore

02:08:28.260 but

02:08:28.460 I

02:08:29.100 just

02:08:29.280 can't

02:08:30.440 understand

02:08:30.820 that

02:08:31.080 at

02:08:31.200 all

02:08:31.420 but

02:08:31.920 I

02:08:33.200 thought

02:08:33.440 about

02:08:33.640 that

02:08:33.820 a lot

02:08:34.160 and

02:08:34.640 so

02:08:34.980 I'm

02:08:35.420 going

02:08:35.520 to

02:08:35.780 answer

02:08:36.280 that

02:08:36.480 question

02:08:36.880 by

02:08:37.360 hitting

02:08:38.340 it

02:08:38.540 scatter

02:08:38.900 shot

02:08:39.280 the

02:08:41.300 first

02:08:41.540 thing

02:08:44.580 this

02:08:44.880 happens

02:08:45.240 in

02:08:45.440 Milton

02:08:45.740 that

02:08:46.000 distance

02:08:49.000 from

02:08:49.400 God

02:08:49.880 is 0.99

02:08:50.340 hell

02:08:50.780 right

02:08:52.240 that

02:08:52.400 hell

02:08:52.860 doesn't

02:08:53.200 actually

02:08:53.460 have

02:08:53.660 any

02:08:53.860 I

02:08:54.140 know

02:08:54.320 it's

02:08:54.500 ambivalent

02:08:55.060 in

02:08:55.200 Milton

02:08:55.440 but

02:08:55.680 the

02:08:56.400 fundamental

02:08:56.880 claim

02:08:57.340 seems

02:08:57.620 to be

02:08:57.860 that

02:08:58.040 the

02:08:58.200 farther

02:08:58.420 you

02:08:58.620 get

02:08:58.760 from

02:08:58.940 God

02:08:59.180 the

02:08:59.300 more

02:08:59.500 it's

02:09:00.000 hell

02:09:00.260 and

02:09:01.080 then

02:09:01.200 there's

02:09:01.400 another

02:09:01.660 idea

02:09:02.040 that

02:09:02.280 Milton

02:09:02.760 Satan

02:09:03.280 who's

02:09:03.820 Lucifer

02:09:04.260 the

02:09:04.420 bringer

02:09:04.720 of

02:09:04.860 light

02:09:05.100 right

02:09:05.300 he's

02:09:05.520 God's

02:09:05.840 highest

02:09:06.200 angel

02:09:06.660 gone

02:09:07.000 most

02:09:07.320 wrong

02:09:07.600 and

02:09:07.720 I

02:09:07.820 kind

02:09:08.000 of

02:09:08.080 think

02:09:08.260 about

02:09:08.480 him

02:09:08.660 as

02:09:14.580 hooray

02:09:14.860 for

02:09:15.020 intelligence

02:09:15.480 but

02:09:15.720 one

02:09:16.240 of

02:09:16.360 the

02:09:16.480 things

02:09:16.720 that

02:09:16.960 Milton

02:09:17.640 seemed

02:09:17.960 to

02:09:18.120 cotton

02:09:18.400 on

02:09:18.660 to

02:09:18.840 before

02:09:19.300 the

02:09:19.500 rise

02:09:19.740 of

02:09:19.880 modern

02:09:20.140 totalitarian

02:09:20.800 states

02:09:21.220 was

02:09:21.460 that

02:09:21.740 intellect

02:09:23.020 has

02:09:23.980 the

02:09:24.200 capacity

02:09:24.880 to

02:09:25.140 fall

02:09:25.400 in

02:09:25.560 love

02:09:25.720 with

02:09:25.880 its

02:09:26.040 own

02:09:26.220 creations

02:09:26.780 and

02:09:27.340 to

02:09:27.500 elevate

02:09:27.840 them

02:09:28.120 to

02:09:28.260 the

02:09:28.420 highest

02:09:28.720 place

02:09:29.220 which

02:09:29.660 is

02:09:29.780 basically

02:09:30.160 a

02:09:30.380 totalitarian

02:09:31.060 claim

02:09:31.720 it's

02:09:32.160 like

02:09:32.320 what

02:09:32.800 I

02:09:32.940 know

02:09:33.120 is

02:09:33.260 everything

02:09:33.580 that

02:09:33.800 needs

02:09:34.040 to

02:09:34.220 be

02:09:34.380 known

02:09:34.700 and

02:09:35.220 if

02:09:35.340 it

02:09:35.420 was

02:09:35.540 only

02:09:35.740 manifest

02:09:36.140 in

02:09:36.380 the

02:09:36.500 world

02:09:36.680 the

02:09:36.820 world

02:09:37.020 would

02:09:37.160 become

02:09:37.420 a

02:09:37.560 utopia

02:09:38.000 and

02:09:38.540 I

02:09:38.700 also

02:09:38.940 think

02:09:39.180 that's

02:09:39.560 we'll

02:09:39.900 talk

02:09:40.100 about

02:09:40.260 this

02:09:40.460 next

02:09:40.680 week

02:09:40.900 I

02:09:41.240 also

02:09:41.420 think

02:09:41.640 that

02:09:41.780 that's

02:09:42.020 the

02:09:42.160 core

02:09:42.440 idea

02:09:42.800 behind

02:09:43.120 the

02:09:43.300 Tower

02:09:43.560 of

02:09:43.760 Babel

02:09:44.180 remember

02:09:44.900 the

02:09:45.060 Tower

02:09:45.260 of

02:09:45.420 Babel

02:09:45.700 is

02:09:45.860 raised

02:09:46.120 by

02:09:46.320 human

02:09:46.560 beings

02:09:46.860 so

02:09:47.040 that

02:09:47.180 the

02:09:47.300 pinnacle

02:09:47.600 will

02:09:47.820 hit

02:09:48.120 heaven

02:09:48.560 and

02:09:49.220 so

02:09:49.340 it's

02:09:49.460 the

02:09:49.560 idea

02:09:49.820 that

02:09:49.980 we

02:09:50.100 can

02:09:50.240 build

02:09:50.460 a

02:09:50.620 structure

02:09:51.080 that

02:09:51.840 makes

02:09:52.280 the

02:09:52.480 transcendent

02:09:53.420 unnecessary

02:09:54.120 and

02:09:55.200 so

02:09:55.420 there's

02:09:56.200 those

02:09:56.440 two

02:09:56.660 things

02:09:57.000 then

02:09:57.680 there's

02:10:06.820 I

02:10:07.480 think

02:10:07.800 the

02:10:08.240 answer

02:10:08.540 is

02:10:08.760 something

02:10:09.000 like

02:10:09.260 this

02:10:09.560 is

02:10:09.740 that

02:10:09.920 in

02:10:11.180 order

02:10:11.360 for

02:10:11.580 there

02:10:11.740 to

02:10:12.040 be

02:10:12.160 being

02:10:12.460 there

02:10:12.640 has

02:10:12.840 to

02:10:12.960 be

02:10:13.060 limitation

02:10:13.580 in

02:10:14.460 order

02:10:14.660 for

02:10:14.860 their

02:10:14.980 good

02:10:15.300 to

02:10:15.480 be

02:10:15.600 good

02:10:15.820 there

02:10:15.960 has

02:10:16.140 to

02:10:16.240 be

02:10:16.340 the

02:10:16.460 possibility

02:10:16.920 of

02:10:17.320 evil

02:10:17.620 I

02:10:18.800 think

02:10:19.040 the

02:10:19.200 right

02:10:19.460 path

02:10:19.860 is

02:10:20.060 to

02:10:20.340 exist

02:10:21.080 such

02:10:22.160 that

02:10:22.460 the

02:10:22.680 possibility

02:10:23.200 of

02:10:23.400 evil

02:10:23.600 remains

02:10:23.980 open

02:10:24.240 but

02:10:24.420 that

02:10:24.580 you

02:10:24.720 choose

02:10:25.080 the

02:10:25.280 good

02:10:25.560 and

02:10:26.140 I

02:10:26.240 don't

02:10:26.400 think

02:10:26.580 that

02:10:26.720 evil

02:10:27.080 per

02:10:27.360 se

02:10:27.580 is

02:10:27.780 built

02:10:28.040 into

02:10:28.260 the

02:10:28.440 structure

02:10:28.780 of

02:10:28.960 the

02:10:29.080 world

02:10:29.340 I

02:10:29.900 do

02:10:30.080 think

02:10:30.380 that

02:10:30.520 that's

02:10:30.820 human

02:10:31.160 I

02:10:31.780 think

02:10:31.960 that

02:10:32.080 evil

02:10:32.300 is

02:10:32.480 human

02:10:32.800 and

02:10:33.440 I

02:10:33.520 think

02:10:33.640 it's

02:10:33.800 understandable

02:10:34.440 I

02:10:35.120 did

02:10:35.240 a

02:10:35.380 lecture

02:10:35.620 that's

02:10:35.920 online

02:10:36.320 about

02:10:36.880 the

02:10:37.040 distinction

02:10:37.420 between

02:10:37.760 evil

02:10:38.020 and

02:10:38.200 tragedy

02:10:38.620 and

02:10:39.700 tragedy

02:10:41.240 seems to be

02:10:41.820 built into

02:10:42.220 the structure

02:10:42.680 of the

02:10:42.860 world

02:10:43.040 and

02:10:43.200 perhaps

02:10:43.460 you

02:10:43.620 can

02:10:43.720 blame

02:10:43.900 God

02:10:44.160 for

02:10:44.320 that

02:10:44.520 I

02:10:44.640 mean

02:10:44.800 it

02:10:45.060 doesn't

02:10:45.320 seem

02:10:45.520 to

02:10:45.640 me

02:10:45.760 that

02:10:45.920 it's

02:10:46.080 your

02:10:46.240 fault

02:10:46.480 that

02:10:46.620 there

02:10:46.720 are

02:10:46.760 earthquakes

02:10:47.200 for

02:10:47.420 example

02:10:47.800 but

02:10:48.440 it

02:10:49.300 is

02:10:49.480 not

02:10:49.880 obvious

02:10:50.220 to

02:10:50.360 me

02:10:50.500 either

02:10:50.740 that

02:10:50.980 it's

02:10:51.180 tragedy

02:10:51.640 that

02:10:51.900 takes

02:10:52.160 the

02:10:52.400 spirit

02:10:52.800 out

02:10:53.080 of

02:10:53.220 people

02:10:53.540 I

02:10:54.240 think

02:10:54.420 that

02:10:54.560 human

02:10:54.760 beings

02:10:55.040 are

02:10:55.180 actually

02:10:55.480 equipped

02:10:55.840 to

02:10:56.020 deal

02:10:56.160 with

02:10:56.320 tragedy

02:10:56.680 but

02:10:56.900 we're

02:10:57.040 not

02:10:57.300 equipped

02:10:57.600 to

02:10:57.760 deal

02:10:57.900 with

02:10:58.060 malevolence

02:10:58.660 that

02:10:59.280 destroys

02:10:59.820 people

02:11:00.260 and

02:11:01.120 so

02:11:01.320 I

02:11:01.540 think

02:11:01.780 that

02:11:02.000 I

02:11:03.560 think

02:11:03.840 that

02:11:04.120 metaphysically

02:11:06.620 speaking

02:11:07.100 the world

02:11:07.600 is

02:11:07.920 structured

02:11:08.400 so

02:11:08.760 that

02:11:08.960 people

02:11:09.480 have

02:11:09.720 a

02:11:09.840 choice

02:11:10.200 between

02:11:10.860 good

02:11:11.120 and

02:11:11.240 evil

02:11:11.480 and

02:11:12.160 that

02:11:12.360 so

02:11:13.320 then

02:11:13.500 the

02:11:13.620 next

02:11:13.800 question

02:11:14.160 is

02:11:14.360 why

02:11:14.760 do

02:11:14.920 we

02:11:15.040 have

02:11:15.240 a

02:11:15.380 choice

02:11:15.860 and

02:11:16.720 that

02:11:16.960 that's

02:11:17.380 where

02:11:17.520 my

02:11:17.820 knowledge

02:11:18.740 runs

02:11:19.260 out

02:11:19.500 I

02:11:19.660 don't

02:11:20.020 I

02:11:20.160 don't

02:11:20.620 like

02:11:21.760 the

02:11:21.960 alchemists 0.99

02:11:22.640 for example

02:11:23.140 speculated

02:11:23.780 that

02:11:24.020 and

02:11:24.560 the

02:11:24.800 orthodox

02:11:25.200 Christians

02:11:25.640 also

02:11:26.500 follow

02:11:26.840 this

02:11:27.020 line

02:11:27.220 of

02:11:27.360 reasoning

02:11:27.660 is

02:11:27.860 that

02:11:28.060 human

02:11:28.540 beings

02:11:28.820 in

02:11:29.000 some

02:11:29.240 sense

02:11:29.660 are

02:11:30.120 furthering

02:11:30.760 creation

02:11:31.280 by

02:11:31.560 our

02:11:31.760 actions

02:11:32.180 and

02:11:32.380 by

02:11:32.540 our

02:11:32.700 choices

02:11:33.120 and

02:11:33.820 I

02:11:34.080 think

02:11:34.300 there's

02:11:34.540 something

02:11:34.780 to

02:11:35.040 that

02:11:35.260 it's

02:11:35.640 like

02:11:35.920 creation

02:11:37.200 is

02:11:37.400 unfinished

02:11:37.860 in

02:11:38.260 some

02:11:38.480 sense

02:11:38.860 and

02:11:39.000 that

02:11:39.120 we're

02:11:39.300 participating

02:11:39.860 in

02:11:40.280 moving

02:11:41.020 it

02:11:41.220 in

02:11:45.240 free

02:11:45.400 will

02:11:45.600 and

02:11:45.760 part

02:11:46.040 of

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02:11:46.480 that

02:11:46.600 we

02:11:46.760 have

02:11:46.940 the

02:11:47.080 choice

02:11:47.340 between

02:11:47.660 good

02:11:47.860 and

02:11:48.000 evil

02:11:48.240 and

02:11:48.800 that's

02:11:49.120 also

02:11:49.360 associated

02:11:50.300 with

02:11:50.780 the

02:11:51.620 significance

02:11:52.420 maybe

02:11:52.840 the

02:11:53.060 cosmic

02:11:53.400 significance

02:11:53.980 of

02:11:54.320 our

02:11:54.480 lives

02:11:54.940 and

02:11:55.480 that

02:11:56.600 strikes

02:11:57.000 me

02:11:57.200 as

02:11:57.360 plausible

02:11:57.820 and

02:11:58.500 I

02:11:58.780 think

02:11:59.020 the

02:11:59.380 weight

02:11:59.760 of

02:11:59.960 responsibility

02:12:00.640 that

02:12:01.060 people

02:12:01.300 feel

02:12:01.600 existentially

02:12:02.280 is

02:12:02.500 an

02:12:02.620 indication

02:12:03.100 of

02:12:03.360 that

02:12:03.640 so

02:12:04.420 that's

02:12:06.040 about

02:12:06.220 the

02:12:06.340 best

02:12:06.540 I

02:12:06.680 could

02:12:06.780 do

02:12:06.920 with

02:12:07.080 that

02:12:07.360 so

02:12:07.640 and

02:12:08.040 it

02:12:08.240 seems

02:12:08.480 the

02:12:08.600 way

02:12:08.680 you're

02:12:08.820 describing

02:12:09.220 it

02:12:09.400 it's

02:12:09.580 built

02:12:10.040 into

02:12:10.480 at least

02:12:11.100 the

02:12:11.300 text

02:12:11.520 that

02:12:11.680 you

02:12:11.800 presented

02:12:12.240 because

02:12:12.700 one of

02:12:13.280 the other

02:12:13.440 things

02:12:13.640 I'd

02:12:13.860 noticed

02:12:14.120 was

02:12:14.560 God

02:12:15.360 consistently

02:12:15.840 describes

02:12:16.380 creation

02:12:16.780 as

02:12:16.940 good

02:12:17.280 right

02:12:17.620 he creates

02:12:18.060 light

02:12:18.280 it's

02:12:18.480 good

02:12:18.680 he creates

02:12:19.080 dark

02:12:19.340 it's

02:12:19.540 good

02:12:19.740 after

02:12:20.520 he

02:12:20.780 creates

02:12:21.380 things

02:12:22.420 he announces

02:12:23.540 that he

02:12:24.040 creates

02:12:24.360 man and

02:12:24.860 woman 0.99

02:12:25.240 and announces

02:12:25.720 that they

02:12:25.960 have

02:12:26.080 dominion

02:12:26.660 over

02:12:27.240 those

02:12:27.480 things

02:12:27.700 and can

02:12:28.020 use

02:12:28.280 them

02:12:28.520 and it

02:12:29.080 might

02:12:29.220 be

02:12:29.380 something

02:12:29.620 lost

02:12:29.900 the

02:12:30.020 translation

02:12:30.360 but

02:12:30.600 that

02:12:30.900 is

02:12:31.120 described

02:12:31.500 as

02:12:31.740 very

02:12:32.140 good

02:12:32.500 as

02:12:33.140 soon

02:12:33.300 as

02:12:33.420 that

02:12:33.560 dominion

02:12:34.080 is

02:12:34.300 brought

02:12:34.660 into

02:12:34.940 existence

02:12:35.320 it might

02:12:36.140 speak

02:12:36.420 to

02:12:36.560 that

02:12:36.700 notion

02:12:37.020 of

02:12:37.220 furthering

02:12:37.800 creation

02:12:38.420 here's

02:12:39.320 something

02:12:39.540 interesting

02:12:40.060 too

02:12:40.380 and we'll

02:12:40.660 develop

02:12:40.960 this

02:12:41.180 a lot

02:12:41.500 is

02:12:41.660 that

02:12:41.840 you see

02:12:42.520 when

02:12:43.400 Adam

02:12:43.660 and Eve

02:12:44.020 eat

02:12:44.880 the fruit

02:12:45.280 the snake

02:12:45.900 gives them

02:12:46.260 the fruit

02:12:46.620 the first

02:12:47.140 thing that

02:12:47.420 happens

02:12:47.660 is their

02:12:47.960 eyes

02:12:48.160 are

02:12:48.300 opened

02:12:48.620 okay

02:12:49.160 and to

02:12:49.580 me

02:12:49.700 that

02:12:49.880 means

02:12:50.120 that

02:12:50.320 well

02:12:50.620 they've

02:12:50.780 woken

02:12:51.000 up

02:12:51.360 right

02:12:52.100 there's

02:12:53.420 been an

02:12:53.700 increment

02:12:54.020 in their

02:12:54.380 consciousness

02:12:54.820 and the

02:12:55.460 next

02:12:55.640 thing

02:12:55.800 that

02:12:55.940 happens

02:12:56.200 is

02:12:56.360 that

02:12:56.500 they

02:12:56.640 recognize

02:12:57.060 that

02:12:57.260 they're

02:13:03.560 because

02:13:03.880 most

02:13:04.120 animals

02:13:04.460 are

02:13:04.600 like

02:13:04.800 this

02:13:05.180 and

02:13:05.900 they're

02:13:06.020 protected

02:13:06.420 but

02:13:06.620 not

02:13:06.800 us

02:13:07.100 like

02:13:07.320 our

02:13:07.800 most

02:13:08.040 vulnerable

02:13:08.420 parts

02:13:08.840 are

02:13:09.020 displayed

02:13:09.780 for

02:13:10.580 harm

02:13:10.920 and

02:13:11.080 for

02:13:11.240 everyone

02:13:11.540 to

02:13:11.780 observe

02:13:12.180 right

02:13:12.560 so

02:13:12.780 we've

02:13:13.240 got

02:13:13.400 that

02:13:13.580 sort

02:13:13.800 of

02:13:14.600 bipedal

02:13:15.320 self-consciousness

02:13:16.940 built into

02:13:17.440 us

02:13:17.660 but

02:13:18.140 what's

02:13:18.460 really

02:13:18.640 interesting

02:13:19.120 is

02:13:19.300 that

02:13:19.420 when

02:13:19.540 Adam

02:13:19.740 and

02:13:19.880 Eve

02:13:20.020 realize

02:13:20.420 that

02:13:20.600 they're

02:13:20.760 naked

02:13:21.120 it's

02:13:21.880 the

02:13:22.020 same

02:13:22.300 moment

02:13:22.660 that

02:13:22.860 they

02:13:23.000 know

02:13:23.260 the

02:13:23.680 difference

02:13:23.940 between

02:13:24.240 good

02:13:24.440 and

02:13:24.560 evil

02:13:24.860 and

02:13:25.740 that

02:13:25.980 God

02:13:26.620 that

02:13:26.820 just

02:13:27.040 I

02:13:28.220 ground

02:13:28.900 away

02:13:29.160 on

02:13:29.360 that

02:13:29.540 for

02:13:29.720 years

02:13:30.060 what

02:13:30.800 the 0.99

02:13:31.000 hell

02:13:31.220 what's

02:13:31.580 going

02:13:31.760 on

02:13:31.940 here

02:13:32.080 what's

02:13:32.300 the

02:13:32.420 relationship

02:13:32.860 between

02:13:33.280 consciousness

02:13:34.180 knowledge

02:13:35.000 of

02:13:35.220 nakedness

02:13:35.820 and

02:13:36.280 the

02:13:36.440 knowledge

02:13:36.720 of

02:13:36.880 good

02:13:37.020 and

02:13:37.140 evil

02:13:37.400 and

02:13:37.560 then

02:13:37.680 I

02:13:37.800 think

02:13:37.960 I

02:13:38.420 figured

02:13:38.660 it

02:13:38.840 out

02:13:39.080 I

02:13:39.760 think

02:13:39.980 it

02:13:40.580 was

02:13:40.800 that

02:13:41.080 you

02:13:41.720 see

02:13:41.920 when

02:13:42.600 you

02:13:42.740 know

02:13:42.920 that

02:13:43.100 you're

02:13:43.300 vulnerable

02:13:43.720 and

02:13:44.480 they

02:13:44.920 also

02:13:45.200 develop

02:13:46.040 knowledge

02:13:46.360 of

02:13:46.520 death

02:13:46.820 right

02:13:47.060 so

02:13:47.260 there's

02:13:47.840 deep

02:13:48.200 knowledge

02:13:48.540 of

02:13:48.680 vulnerability

02:13:49.040 and

02:13:49.340 they

02:13:49.460 get

02:13:49.560 embarrassed

02:13:49.920 about

02:13:50.140 that

02:13:50.320 they

02:13:50.440 cover

02:13:50.640 themselves

02:13:51.040 up

02:13:51.360 right

02:13:51.580 so

02:13:51.720 that's

02:13:51.940 culture

02:13:52.320 so

02:13:52.840 it's

02:13:52.940 a

02:13:53.040 very

02:13:53.240 profound

02:13:53.720 shock

02:13:54.300 for

02:13:54.820 them

02:13:54.980 to

02:13:55.140 recognize

02:13:55.540 that

02:13:55.740 they're

02:13:55.880 naked

02:13:56.140 it

02:13:56.300 even

02:13:56.500 makes

02:13:56.720 Adam

02:13:57.000 hide

02:13:57.240 from

02:13:57.440 God

02:13:57.820 then

02:13:58.380 they

02:13:58.500 develop

02:13:58.760 the

02:13:58.920 knowledge

02:13:59.160 of

02:13:59.280 good

02:13:59.420 and

02:13:59.540 evil

02:13:59.820 well

02:14:00.360 I

02:14:00.480 think

02:14:00.680 it's

02:14:00.840 because

02:14:01.080 you

02:14:01.260 see

02:14:01.440 human

02:14:02.240 beings

02:14:02.660 have

02:14:02.940 this

02:14:03.260 peculiar

02:14:04.080 capacity

02:14:04.680 that

02:14:04.900 no

02:14:05.040 other

02:14:05.220 creature

02:14:05.500 has

02:14:05.900 which

02:14:06.120 is

02:14:06.240 I

02:14:06.560 know

02:14:06.740 how

02:14:06.920 I

02:14:07.060 can

02:14:07.200 be

02:14:07.360 hurt

02:14:07.640 because

02:14:08.560 I'm

02:14:08.740 aware

02:14:09.060 of

02:14:09.180 my

02:14:09.320 own

02:14:09.460 limitations

02:14:10.020 painfully

02:14:10.920 aware

02:14:11.260 and

02:14:12.040 now

02:14:21.040 like

02:14:21.200 to

02:14:21.320 me

02:14:21.480 it's

02:14:21.680 like

02:14:21.840 I've

02:14:22.280 got

02:14:22.460 this

02:14:22.660 expansion

02:14:23.180 of

02:14:23.420 knowledge

02:14:23.720 it

02:14:23.880 says

02:14:24.100 in

02:14:24.260 Genesis

02:14:24.580 that

02:14:24.860 gives

02:14:26.140 people

02:14:26.680 another

02:14:27.040 attribute

02:14:27.520 of

02:14:27.760 divinity

02:14:28.160 knowing

02:14:28.500 the

02:14:28.680 difference

02:14:28.960 between

02:14:29.240 good

02:14:29.460 and

02:14:29.580 evil

02:14:29.880 it

02:14:30.440 has

02:14:30.680 nothing

02:14:30.980 to

02:14:31.180 do

02:14:31.300 with

02:14:31.460 animals

02:14:31.800 and

02:14:31.980 it

02:14:32.080 has

02:14:32.240 nothing

02:14:32.500 to

02:14:32.700 do

02:14:32.820 with

02:14:32.960 Adam

02:14:33.180 and

02:14:33.320 Eve

02:14:33.480 prior

02:14:34.060 to

02:14:34.220 having

02:14:34.440 their

02:14:34.640 eyes

02:14:34.860 opened

02:14:35.200 but

02:14:35.680 the

02:14:35.860 cosmos

02:14:36.560 switches

02:14:37.140 when

02:14:37.400 that

02:14:37.580 self

02:14:37.820 consciousness

02:14:38.280 manifests

02:14:39.220 itself

02:14:39.640 and

02:14:40.080 that's

02:14:40.340 when

02:14:40.480 the

02:14:40.920 possibility

02:14:41.480 of

02:14:41.640 evil

02:14:41.860 enters

02:14:42.160 the

02:14:42.340 world

02:14:42.600 it's

02:14:43.100 something

02:14:43.340 like

02:14:43.580 that

02:14:43.840 and

02:14:44.380 that's

02:14:44.700 also

02:14:44.960 echoed

02:14:45.440 by

02:14:45.620 the

02:14:45.940 intimate

02:14:46.620 relationship

02:14:47.240 between

02:14:47.600 the

02:14:47.800 snake

02:14:48.120 in

02:14:48.280 the

02:14:48.400 garden

02:14:48.640 of

02:14:48.800 Eden

02:14:49.000 and

02:14:49.440 Satan

02:14:49.900 which

02:14:50.280 is

02:14:50.460 a

02:14:52.700 very

02:14:52.940 strange

02:14:53.420 association

02:14:54.060 it's

02:14:54.320 like

02:14:54.460 this

02:14:54.680 snake

02:14:54.980 also

02:14:55.900 becomes

02:14:56.340 the

02:14:56.520 adversary

02:14:57.080 of

02:14:57.540 being

02:14:57.880 and

02:14:58.640 I

02:14:58.760 think

02:14:58.960 that's

02:14:59.500 I'll

02:14:59.920 jump

02:15:00.160 very

02:15:00.480 quickly

02:15:00.820 into

02:15:01.120 that

02:15:01.320 but

02:15:01.460 I

02:15:01.580 think

02:15:01.720 that's

02:15:01.960 because

02:15:02.240 you

02:15:02.900 know

02:15:02.980 there's

02:15:03.220 the

02:15:03.420 snake

02:15:03.840 that

02:15:04.340 bites

02:15:04.600 you

02:15:04.780 in

02:15:04.900 the

02:15:05.020 jungle

02:15:05.340 and

02:15:05.980 then

02:15:06.100 there's

02:15:06.280 the

02:15:06.460 snake

02:15:06.720 that

02:15:06.940 lives

02:15:12.600 the

02:15:12.960 enemy

02:15:13.240 to

02:15:13.460 the

02:15:13.600 netherlands

02:15:14.340 and

02:15:15.040 then

02:15:15.180 there's

02:15:15.380 the

02:15:15.520 snake

02:15:15.740 that

02:15:15.920 lives

02:15:16.160 in

02:15:16.780 you

02:15:17.120 if

02:15:17.360 you

02:15:17.700 remove

02:15:19.260 yourself

02:15:19.620 from

02:15:19.840 your

02:15:20.000 family

02:15:20.420 and

02:15:20.800 that

02:15:20.960 snake

02:15:21.320 that's

02:15:21.600 in

02:15:21.760 you

02:15:22.000 right

02:15:22.200 that's

02:15:22.600 that's

02:15:22.960 a

02:15:23.080 psychological

02:15:23.760 phenomena

02:15:24.700 that's

02:15:25.080 equivalent

02:15:25.440 to

02:15:25.840 transcendent

02:15:27.480 evil

02:15:27.780 itself

02:15:28.220 the

02:15:28.440 thing

02:15:28.620 that

02:15:28.760 inhabits

02:15:29.220 every

02:15:29.480 single

02:15:29.780 person

02:15:30.200 that's

02:15:30.700 why

02:15:30.840 there's

02:15:31.060 that

02:15:31.220 association

02:15:31.760 between

02:15:32.140 the

02:15:32.320 snake

02:15:32.560 and

02:15:32.740 Satan

02:15:33.060 and

02:15:33.660 that's

02:15:33.920 why

02:15:34.060 I

02:15:34.200 think

02:15:34.380 that

02:15:34.540 people

02:15:34.780 have

02:15:35.060 this

02:15:35.280 it's

02:15:36.460 associated

02:15:36.980 with

02:15:37.280 their

02:15:37.400 knowledge

02:15:37.720 of

02:15:37.960 vulnerability

02:15:38.460 that

02:15:38.840 gives

02:15:39.080 us

02:15:39.260 this

02:15:39.480 constant

02:15:39.880 capacity

02:15:40.440 for

02:15:40.780 evil

02:15:42.100 I mean

02:15:42.600 imagine

02:15:42.920 if you're

02:15:43.260 a medieval

02:15:43.620 torturer

02:15:44.260 you know

02:15:45.260 I mean

02:15:45.500 people don't

02:15:45.960 generally

02:15:46.260 imagine

02:15:46.640 that sort

02:15:47.080 of

02:15:47.180 thing

02:15:47.380 but

02:15:47.580 people

02:15:48.820 were

02:15:49.160 medieval

02:15:49.580 torturers

02:15:50.180 and

02:15:50.420 they

02:15:50.580 were

02:15:50.700 very

02:15:50.920 good

02:15:51.120 at

02:15:51.220 what

02:15:51.360 they

02:15:51.520 did

02:15:51.820 and

02:15:52.300 the

02:15:52.420 only

02:15:52.560 way

02:15:52.720 that

02:15:52.880 you

02:15:53.020 can

02:15:53.180 be

02:15:53.340 a

02:15:53.500 torturer

02:15:53.960 is

02:15:54.140 to

02:15:54.280 know

02:15:54.600 what

02:15:54.860 would

02:15:55.060 hurt

02:15:55.360 you

02:15:55.680 right

02:15:56.680 and

02:15:56.820 so

02:15:56.960 you

02:15:57.100 exploit

02:15:57.580 the

02:15:57.780 knowledge

02:15:59.260 of

02:15:59.420 your

02:15:59.560 own

02:15:59.720 vulnerability

02:16:00.140 to

02:16:00.540 bring

02:16:00.880 pain

02:16:01.460 into

02:16:07.400 people

02:16:08.580 have been

02:16:08.840 arguing

02:16:09.120 about

02:16:09.400 that

02:16:09.580 for

02:16:09.740 a

02:16:09.840 very

02:16:09.980 long

02:16:10.220 time

02:16:10.500 but

02:16:10.680 my

02:16:11.340 question

02:16:12.060 the

02:16:12.460 question

02:16:12.760 for

02:16:12.940 me

02:16:13.100 that

02:16:13.280 arose

02:16:13.580 from

02:16:13.760 that

02:16:13.940 is

02:16:14.100 all

02:16:14.240 right

02:16:14.400 fine

02:16:14.780 like

02:16:15.060 tragedy

02:16:15.900 you

02:16:16.240 can

02:16:16.360 lay

02:16:16.500 that

02:16:16.660 at

02:16:16.780 God's

02:16:17.100 feet

02:16:17.340 well

02:16:17.980 if

02:16:18.580 we

02:16:19.020 didn't

02:16:19.340 bring

02:16:19.680 additional

02:16:20.480 evil

02:16:20.940 into

02:16:21.220 the

02:16:21.440 world

02:16:21.860 could

02:16:23.380 we

02:16:23.580 tolerate

02:16:24.080 the

02:16:24.300 tragedy

02:16:24.680 of

02:16:24.880 being

02:16:25.180 without

02:16:25.560 becoming

02:16:25.940 corrupt 0.97

02:16:26.340 and 0.99

02:16:26.540 I

02:16:26.880 think

02:16:27.060 generally

02:16:27.400 the

02:16:27.560 answer

02:16:27.780 to

02:16:27.940 that

02:16:28.100 is

02:16:28.220 yes

02:16:28.480 because

02:16:28.740 I've

02:16:28.940 seen

02:16:29.120 people

02:16:29.580 react

02:16:30.180 quite

02:16:30.420 heroically

02:16:31.060 to

02:16:31.380 the

02:16:31.920 arbitrary

02:16:32.400 burdens

02:16:32.820 of

02:16:33.000 their

02:16:33.140 life

02:16:33.520 but

02:16:34.060 malevolence

02:16:34.680 man

02:16:34.920 that

02:16:35.140 lays

02:16:35.960 them

02:16:36.160 low

02:16:36.520 and

02:16:37.720 it

02:16:37.840 seems

02:16:38.020 to

02:16:38.160 be

02:16:38.260 nothing

02:16:38.920 but

02:16:39.160 a

02:16:39.280 destructive

02:16:39.680 force

02:16:40.060 and

02:16:40.420 I

02:16:40.540 do

02:16:40.700 believe

02:16:41.020 as

02:16:41.260 well

02:16:41.540 and

02:16:41.700 I

02:16:41.820 think

02:16:41.980 you

02:16:42.100 see

02:16:42.240 this

02:16:42.440 in

02:16:42.560 the

02:16:42.660 Cain

02:16:42.820 and

02:16:42.920 Abel

02:16:43.120 story

02:16:43.440 that

02:16:43.680 the

02:16:44.260 root

02:16:44.540 of

02:16:44.720 malevolence

02:16:45.360 is

02:16:45.540 the

02:16:45.700 desire

02:16:46.140 for

02:16:46.380 revenge

02:16:46.740 against

02:16:47.060 God

02:16:47.420 for

02:16:47.700 creation

02:16:48.540 itself

02:16:49.060 and

02:16:49.940 I

02:16:50.060 mean

02:16:50.280 I've

02:16:50.480 read

02:16:50.780 terrible

02:16:51.520 things

02:16:51.920 written

02:16:52.140 by

02:16:52.340 terrible

02:16:52.780 people

02:16:53.160 trying

02:16:53.440 to

02:16:53.600 get

02:16:53.760 to

02:16:53.900 the

02:16:54.020 bottom

02:16:54.240 of

02:16:54.380 things

02:16:54.580 and

02:16:54.720 I

02:16:54.820 mentioned

02:16:55.100 the

02:16:55.280 Columbine

02:16:55.680 killers

02:16:56.020 for

02:16:56.260 example

02:16:56.620 and

02:16:56.840 it's

02:16:57.360 clear

02:16:57.700 all

02:16:57.840 you

02:16:57.940 have

02:16:58.040 to

02:16:58.120 do

02:16:58.160 is

02:16:58.220 go

02:16:58.360 read

02:16:58.600 what

02:16:58.760 they

02:16:58.900 wrote

02:16:59.200 what

02:16:59.880 they

02:17:00.020 were

02:17:00.160 doing

02:17:00.360 was

02:17:00.540 taking

02:17:00.840 revenge

02:17:01.220 against

02:17:01.540 God

02:17:01.880 they

02:17:02.520 knew

02:17:02.720 that

02:17:03.020 it

02:17:03.580 wasn't

02:17:03.960 unconscious

02:17:04.680 that

02:17:05.700 they've

02:17:05.880 been

02:17:06.040 dwelling

02:17:06.480 on

02:17:06.780 this

02:17:07.000 for

02:17:07.200 months

02:17:08.020 plotting

02:17:08.840 their

02:17:09.080 revenge

02:17:09.580 and

02:17:10.000 it

02:17:10.080 was

02:17:10.200 revenge

02:17:10.540 against

02:17:10.820 being

02:17:11.120 itself

02:17:11.520 for

02:17:11.700 the

02:17:11.820 crime

02:17:12.220 of

02:17:12.400 being

02:17:12.720 so

02:17:13.520 thank

02:17:15.320 you

02:17:15.640 hi

02:17:22.660 doctor

02:17:22.940 you'd

02:17:24.820 said

02:17:25.040 when

02:17:25.800 God

02:17:26.120 saw

02:17:26.980 that

02:17:27.180 it

02:17:27.280 was

02:17:27.440 good

02:17:27.740 you

02:17:28.460 read

02:17:28.660 that

02:17:28.880 as

02:17:29.140 potentially

02:17:29.700 well

02:17:30.700 it

02:17:30.800 might

02:17:30.920 be

02:17:31.040 better

02:17:31.240 than

02:17:31.460 nothing

02:17:31.800 and

02:17:33.200 the

02:17:33.940 story

02:17:34.160 in

02:17:34.320 Genesis

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02:17:38.540 the

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02:17:44.620 the

02:17:44.720 end

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02:17:48.620 happening

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02:17:57.700 seeing

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02:18:00.700 modeling

02:18:01.120 consciousness

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02:18:02.880 there

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02:18:03.520 to

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02:18:05.260 with

02:18:05.560 okay

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02:18:08.700 grapple

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02:18:11.260 the

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02:18:16.220 of

02:18:16.400 speaking

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02:18:26.500 sees

02:18:27.200 that

02:18:27.440 creation

02:18:28.100 was

02:18:29.520 good

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02:18:32.840 between

02:18:33.340 bringing forth

02:18:35.360 through the word

02:18:36.980 through Jesus

02:18:37.540 through

02:18:37.840 okay

02:18:37.860 okay

02:18:37.880 that's

02:18:38.460 good

02:18:38.640 I

02:18:38.860 see

02:18:39.040 what

02:18:39.200 you

02:18:39.320 mean

02:18:39.520 okay

02:18:40.040 well

02:18:40.240 I

02:18:40.380 think

02:18:40.580 I

02:18:40.740 think

02:18:40.960 what

02:18:41.120 that

02:18:41.340 is

02:18:41.560 is

02:18:41.700 that

02:18:41.900 I

02:18:42.480 think

02:18:42.800 okay

02:18:43.980 so

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02:18:45.860 perfectly

02:18:46.220 reasonable

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02:18:48.300 and psychological

02:18:49.100 perspective

02:18:49.760 to consider

02:18:50.920 the idea

02:18:51.840 of the word

02:18:52.540 equivalent to

02:18:53.460 the spoken

02:18:53.920 truth

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02:18:56.000 in the New

02:18:56.560 Testament

02:18:56.900 that he's

02:18:57.620 the truth

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02:18:58.420 and embodied

02:18:59.740 and so

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02:19:02.320 you can

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02:19:03.160 that the

02:19:03.500 idea

02:19:03.800 that

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02:19:04.720 things are

02:19:05.300 spoken

02:19:05.700 into being

02:19:06.300 through

02:19:06.600 truth

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02:19:07.560 good

02:19:07.880 and so

02:19:08.960 yeah

02:19:09.180 I

02:19:09.340 think

02:19:09.540 that

02:19:09.680 association

02:19:10.280 exists

02:19:11.020 and I

02:19:11.740 think

02:19:11.920 that

02:19:12.080 that's

02:19:12.440 well

02:19:13.220 I

02:19:13.380 also

02:19:13.620 think

02:19:13.860 that

02:19:14.000 that's

02:19:14.300 that

02:19:14.760 in some

02:19:15.240 sense

02:19:15.480 the

02:19:15.680 deepest

02:19:15.980 claim

02:19:16.340 of

02:19:16.540 faith

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02:19:17.540 believe

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02:19:18.540 think

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02:19:18.920 I

02:19:19.400 think

02:19:19.600 you

02:19:19.720 have

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02:19:20.180 a

02:19:20.300 decision

02:19:20.640 in

02:19:20.880 your

02:19:21.020 life

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02:19:21.860 as

02:19:21.980 I

02:19:22.080 can

02:19:22.200 tell

02:19:22.380 and

02:19:22.500 I

02:19:22.600 think

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02:19:23.360 knew

02:19:23.560 this

02:19:23.820 more

02:19:24.040 clearly

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02:19:24.560 anyone

02:19:24.820 else

02:19:25.100 I've

02:19:25.280 ever

02:19:25.480 read

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02:19:29.980 being

02:19:30.380 is

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02:19:33.760 with

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02:19:35.000 be

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02:19:35.380 and

02:19:35.660 then

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02:19:36.460 have

02:19:36.580 an

02:19:36.660 honest

02:19:36.900 relationship

02:19:37.380 with

02:19:37.620 being

02:19:37.880 then

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02:19:38.480 going

02:19:38.620 to

02:19:38.780 speak

02:19:39.000 the

02:19:39.200 truth

02:19:39.540 and

02:19:40.160 then

02:19:40.280 I

02:19:40.420 think

02:19:40.560 what

02:19:40.720 you

02:19:40.820 have

02:19:41.020 to

02:19:41.160 decide

02:19:41.760 is

02:19:42.840 that

02:19:43.080 speaking

02:19:43.840 if

02:19:44.460 you

02:19:44.620 speak

02:19:44.880 the

02:19:45.060 truth

02:19:45.300 then

02:19:45.600 what

02:19:45.800 happens

02:19:46.180 is

02:19:46.400 good

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02:19:48.480 of

02:19:48.760 what

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02:19:49.420 and

02:19:50.220 that

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02:19:50.700 the rub

02:19:51.560 of faith

02:19:52.060 and

02:19:52.180 I

02:19:52.300 think

02:19:52.460 that's

02:19:52.700 something

02:19:52.920 that

02:19:53.120 Kierkegaard

02:19:53.580 wrestled

02:19:53.980 with

02:19:54.200 you

02:19:54.340 know

02:19:54.500 and

02:19:54.960 I

02:19:55.360 mean

02:19:55.580 I'm

02:19:59.860 trying to

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02:20:01.640 about

02:20:02.400 that

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02:20:04.960 and

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02:20:11.460 life

02:20:11.680 two

02:20:11.880 ways

02:20:12.200 you

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02:20:13.940 language

02:20:14.240 to

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02:20:14.980 you

02:20:15.640 can

02:20:15.760 use

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02:20:16.040 language

02:20:16.300 as

02:20:16.520 a

02:20:16.640 tool

02:20:16.880 to

02:20:17.060 get

02:20:17.240 what

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02:20:17.580 want

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02:20:19.240 is

02:20:19.360 that

02:20:19.540 that

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02:20:20.320 you

02:20:20.600 know

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02:20:21.920 that

02:20:23.120 that's

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02:20:24.060 because

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02:20:25.000 lots

02:20:25.220 of

02:20:25.300 things

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02:20:26.120 and

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02:20:26.760 you

02:20:26.860 get

02:20:27.020 what

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02:20:28.560 you

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02:20:28.920 really

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02:20:29.400 and

02:20:29.560 b

02:20:29.760 that

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02:20:32.440 the

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02:20:36.820 a

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02:20:37.380 way

02:20:37.740 and

02:20:38.380 so

02:20:38.520 the

02:20:38.660 alternative

02:20:39.120 seems

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02:20:39.720 be

02:20:39.920 and

02:20:40.360 I

02:20:40.560 think

02:20:40.720 this

02:20:40.920 is

02:20:41.060 one

02:20:41.240 of

02:20:41.360 the

02:20:41.800 lessons

02:20:42.200 for

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02:20:42.740 that's

02:20:43.040 laid out

02:20:43.400 in

02:20:43.520 the

02:20:43.620 movie

02:20:43.820 Pinocchio

02:20:44.300 which

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02:20:44.760 to be

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02:20:45.220 kind

02:20:45.500 of

02:20:45.600 archetypal

02:20:46.040 favorite

02:20:46.400 of

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02:20:46.740 is

02:20:46.900 that

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02:20:48.440 of

02:20:48.600 the

02:20:48.840 act

02:20:50.300 of

02:20:50.540 faith

02:20:51.000 let's

02:20:51.480 say

02:20:51.760 and

02:20:52.320 I

02:20:52.600 wouldn't

02:20:52.840 say

02:20:53.040 Christian

02:20:53.480 faith

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02:20:57.920 the

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02:20:58.800 is

02:20:58.960 good

02:20:59.280 the

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02:21:06.340 truth

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02:21:07.180 I

02:21:07.300 do

02:21:07.420 think

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02:21:07.940 echoed

02:21:08.280 I

02:21:08.380 think

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02:21:08.760 a

02:21:08.840 very

02:21:08.980 wise

02:21:09.260 observation

02:21:09.720 I

02:21:09.920 think

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02:21:10.620 in

02:21:10.720 that

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02:21:11.120 story

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02:21:12.260 of

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02:21:12.500 the

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02:21:13.000 speech

02:21:13.300 and

02:21:13.500 second

02:21:13.820 the

02:21:14.040 observation

02:21:14.620 that

02:21:14.880 the

02:21:15.060 consequence

02:21:15.460 was

02:21:15.800 good

02:21:16.120 so

02:21:16.760 yeah

02:21:17.060 thank

02:21:17.620 you

02:21:18.020 good

02:21:24.260 morning

02:21:24.700 citizen

02:21:25.220 Peterson

02:21:25.720 first

02:21:27.260 I have

02:21:27.860 a bunch

02:21:28.200 of

02:21:28.360 questions

02:21:28.940 and

02:21:29.180 the

02:21:29.260 one

02:21:29.400 I

02:21:29.540 have

02:21:29.740 them

02:21:29.900 answered

02:21:30.340 immediately

02:21:30.960 like

02:21:32.240 you

02:21:33.280 have

02:21:33.500 a

02:21:33.760 post

02:21:34.240 on

02:21:34.500 Quora

02:21:34.880 in

02:21:35.860 which

02:21:36.080 you

02:21:36.240 encourage

02:21:36.800 all

02:21:37.120 children

02:21:37.540 to

02:21:37.780 incur

02:21:38.120 skateboarding

02:21:38.860 injuries

02:21:39.280 but

02:21:41.080 also

02:21:41.860 stated

02:21:42.960 in this

02:21:43.480 post

02:21:43.860 you

02:21:44.240 wrote

02:21:44.560 that

02:21:44.880 do

02:21:45.440 not

02:21:45.680 try

02:21:45.940 to

02:21:46.140 rescue

02:21:46.460 someone

02:21:46.900 who

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02:21:48.080 to

02:21:48.220 be

02:21:48.360 rescued

02:21:48.820 and

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02:21:50.180 very

02:21:50.480 careful

02:21:51.000 about

02:21:51.420 rescuing

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02:21:52.240 who

02:21:52.440 does

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02:21:53.820 reconcile

02:21:54.240 this

02:21:54.660 with

02:21:54.840 what

02:21:55.000 you

02:21:55.140 stated

02:21:55.460 about

02:21:55.780 transcendent

02:21:56.580 morality

02:21:57.060 and

02:21:57.460 the

02:21:57.640 heroic

02:21:58.060 impulse

02:21:58.580 that

02:21:58.820 I

02:21:58.980 guess

02:21:59.140 men

02:21:59.420 are

02:21:59.540 supposed

02:21:59.760 to

02:21:59.860 be

02:21:59.980 born

02:22:00.260 with

02:22:00.560 okay

02:22:01.300 okay

02:22:01.340 okay

02:22:01.740 so

02:22:02.440 well

02:22:03.680 the

02:22:03.880 skateboarding

02:22:05.020 question

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02:22:05.720 I

02:22:06.100 wrote

02:22:06.340 I

02:22:06.580 have

02:22:06.720 a

02:22:06.840 book

02:22:07.000 coming

02:22:07.280 out

02:22:07.460 in

02:22:07.600 2018

02:22:08.460 called

02:22:09.280 12

02:22:09.620 rules

02:22:10.000 for

02:22:10.240 life

02:22:10.620 an

02:22:11.240 antidote

02:22:11.720 to

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02:22:12.560 of

02:22:12.640 the

02:22:12.760 chapters

02:22:13.160 in

02:22:13.380 there

02:22:13.540 is

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02:22:13.840 that

02:22:14.080 Quora

02:22:14.460 posting

02:22:15.480 and

02:22:15.680 it's

02:22:15.840 called

02:22:16.040 don't

02:22:16.300 bother

02:22:16.540 children

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02:22:18.560 sort

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02:22:19.280 with

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02:22:19.800 said

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02:22:20.600 parkour

02:22:21.120 for

02:22:21.320 example

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02:22:22.680 need

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02:22:23.280 go

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02:22:24.060 and

02:22:24.360 push 0.64

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02:22:26.060 danger

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02:22:28.060 is

02:22:28.300 pushing

02:22:28.720 yourself

02:22:29.080 against

02:22:29.380 danger

02:22:29.800 and

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02:22:30.860 see

02:22:31.060 kids

02:22:31.320 doing

02:22:31.600 things

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02:22:32.300 dangerous

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02:22:33.920 spectacular

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02:22:36.080 of

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02:22:36.420 moral

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02:22:37.260 to

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02:22:38.160 the 0.98

02:22:38.320 hell

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02:22:38.800 and

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02:22:40.580 own

02:22:40.760 mortality

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02:22:42.560 them

02:22:42.760 safe

02:22:43.140 the

02:22:43.300 best

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02:22:44.140 is

02:22:44.260 make

02:22:44.480 them

02:22:44.700 able

02:22:45.180 and

02:22:45.400 courageous

02:22:45.800 and

02:22:46.140 I

02:22:46.720 would

02:22:46.900 say

02:22:47.100 that

02:22:47.280 that's

02:22:47.540 a

02:22:47.620 more

02:22:47.780 difficult

02:22:48.140 lesson

02:22:48.500 generally

02:22:48.940 speaking

02:22:49.380 for

02:22:49.580 mothers

02:22:57.320 kids

02:22:57.740 do

02:22:58.000 I

02:22:58.340 mean

02:22:58.500 you

02:22:58.640 know

02:22:58.760 you

02:22:58.940 can

02:22:59.060 obviously

02:22:59.340 be

02:22:59.540 a 1.00

02:22:59.660 fool 1.00

02:22:59.840 on 0.99

02:23:00.040 a

02:23:00.160 skateboard

02:23:00.480 although

02:23:01.300 the

02:23:01.860 distinction

02:23:02.260 between

02:23:02.620 being

02:23:02.900 a 1.00

02:23:03.060 fool 1.00

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02:23:03.540 developing

02:23:03.980 yourself

02:23:04.380 is

02:23:04.560 not

02:23:04.760 as

02:23:04.920 clear

02:23:05.120 as

02:23:05.280 people

02:23:05.520 might

02:23:05.760 like

02:23:06.040 to

02:23:06.260 imagine

02:23:06.700 and

02:23:06.960 when

02:23:07.880 kids

02:23:08.320 are

02:23:08.460 out

02:23:08.640 there

02:23:08.860 with

02:23:09.080 no

02:23:09.280 helmet

02:23:09.600 and

02:23:09.860 doing

02:23:10.180 dangerous

02:23:10.660 things

02:23:11.020 it's

02:23:11.260 like

02:23:11.500 there's

02:23:11.780 a

02:23:11.860 part

02:23:12.020 of

02:23:12.100 me

02:23:12.220 that

02:23:12.340 of

02:23:12.480 course

02:23:12.680 is

02:23:12.800 very

02:23:13.000 worried

02:23:13.280 about

02:23:13.520 it

02:23:13.600 but

02:23:13.720 there's

02:23:13.900 another

02:23:14.120 part

02:23:14.360 of

02:23:14.460 me

02:23:14.580 that

02:23:14.740 admires

02:23:15.420 it

02:23:15.580 very

02:23:15.820 much

02:23:16.140 because

02:23:16.480 they're

02:23:17.200 practicing

02:23:17.740 what

02:23:18.040 they

02:23:18.200 need

02:23:18.400 to

02:23:18.520 practice

02:23:18.860 in

02:23:19.060 order

02:23:19.240 to

02:23:19.540 cope

02:23:20.100 with

02:23:20.260 the

02:23:20.380 world

02:23:20.680 okay

02:23:21.340 so

02:23:21.540 there's

02:23:21.740 that

02:23:22.020 now

02:23:22.260 the

02:23:22.700 other

02:23:22.860 one

02:23:23.040 was

02:23:23.300 rescuing

02:23:23.920 people

02:23:24.340 yeah

02:23:24.800 well

02:23:26.080 I

02:23:26.340 got

02:23:26.540 this

02:23:26.760 partly

02:23:27.060 from

02:23:27.280 Carl

02:23:27.580 Rogers

02:23:28.100 you

02:23:28.840 know

02:23:28.960 because

02:23:29.200 Rogers

02:23:29.760 was

02:23:30.060 he's

02:23:30.320 a

02:23:30.420 clinician

02:23:30.800 a

02:23:31.040 very

02:23:31.260 famous

02:23:31.580 clinician

02:23:31.940 and

02:23:32.220 and

02:23:32.840 he

02:23:32.980 was

02:23:33.620 a

02:23:34.020 Christian

02:23:34.300 missionary

02:23:34.700 to

02:23:34.920 begin

02:23:35.120 with

02:23:35.340 but

02:23:35.520 he

02:23:35.640 didn't

02:23:35.840 end

02:23:35.980 up

02:23:36.140 that

02:23:36.320 way

02:23:36.480 but

02:23:36.660 he

02:23:37.040 was

02:23:37.160 very

02:23:37.380 interested

02:23:37.780 in

02:23:38.020 the

02:23:38.180 utility

02:23:38.560 of

02:23:38.820 listening

02:23:39.240 as

02:23:39.620 a

02:23:40.540 means

02:23:40.920 of

02:23:41.200 redemption

02:23:41.760 essentially

02:23:42.400 and

02:23:42.660 listening

02:23:43.300 by the

02:23:43.820 way

02:23:44.000 is

02:23:44.180 if

02:23:44.980 you

02:23:45.140 have

02:23:45.340 someone

02:23:45.660 that

02:23:46.020 you

02:23:46.160 know

02:23:46.360 that

02:23:46.540 has

02:23:46.740 a

02:23:46.860 problem

02:23:47.200 the

02:23:47.740 best

02:23:48.020 thing

02:23:48.200 you

02:23:48.320 can

02:23:48.460 often

02:23:48.740 do

02:23:48.960 is

02:23:49.100 listen

02:23:49.380 to

02:23:49.560 them

02:23:49.760 if

02:23:50.340 they're

02:23:50.480 actually

02:23:50.760 trying

02:23:51.020 to

02:23:51.160 communicate

02:23:51.560 because

02:23:52.000 people

02:23:52.940 configure

02:23:54.860 themselves

02:23:55.320 through

02:23:55.580 speech

02:23:56.060 and

02:23:56.640 most

02:23:57.060 people

02:23:57.340 can't

02:23:57.780 think

02:23:58.100 and

02:23:58.260 I

02:23:58.380 don't

02:23:58.640 mean

02:23:58.820 that

02:23:59.000 in

02:23:59.100 a

02:23:59.200 mean

02:23:59.400 way

02:23:59.660 I

02:24:00.140 mean

02:24:00.340 the

02:24:00.600 way

02:24:00.800 they

02:24:01.000 think

02:24:01.240 is

02:24:01.380 by

02:24:01.540 talking

02:24:01.960 and

02:24:02.180 they

02:24:02.340 can't

02:24:02.640 talk

02:24:02.920 unless

02:24:03.160 they

02:24:03.340 have

02:24:03.480 someone

02:24:03.680 to

02:24:03.880 talk

02:24:04.100 to

02:24:04.300 and

02:24:04.820 it's

02:24:04.980 partly

02:24:05.220 because

02:24:05.500 they're

02:24:06.060 bouncing

02:24:06.380 the

02:24:06.600 idea

02:24:06.900 off

02:24:07.200 them

02:24:07.380 and

02:24:07.520 seeing

02:24:07.780 if

02:24:07.960 it

02:24:08.080 makes

02:24:08.320 sense

02:24:08.600 and

02:24:08.780 seeing

02:24:09.000 how

02:24:09.140 the

02:24:09.260 person

02:24:09.520 responds

02:24:10.000 so

02:24:10.240 listening

02:24:10.860 is

02:24:11.100 a

02:24:11.200 great

02:24:11.400 thing

02:24:11.680 but

02:24:12.180 Rogers

02:24:12.540 was

02:24:12.740 also

02:24:13.000 interested

02:24:13.460 in

02:24:13.740 the

02:24:13.980 preconditions

02:24:15.380 for

02:24:15.620 having

02:24:16.000 a

02:24:16.280 redemptive

02:24:16.780 relationship

02:24:17.340 and

02:24:17.580 that

02:24:17.740 could

02:24:17.880 be

02:24:18.000 a

02:24:18.120 therapeutic

02:24:18.480 relationship

02:24:19.040 or

02:24:19.340 an

02:24:19.480 intimate

02:24:19.740 relationship

02:24:20.320 and

02:24:20.880 one

02:24:21.020 of

02:24:21.140 the

02:24:21.240 things

02:24:21.440 he

02:24:21.600 claimed

02:24:21.920 was

02:24:22.120 that

02:24:22.340 unless

02:24:22.980 the

02:24:23.220 person

02:24:23.560 was

02:24:23.820 aiming

02:24:24.240 upward

02:24:24.760 there

02:24:25.040 was

02:24:25.220 nothing

02:24:25.520 you

02:24:25.740 could

02:24:25.900 do

02:24:26.100 about

02:24:26.380 it

02:24:26.580 and

02:24:26.980 that

02:24:27.520 seemed

02:24:27.720 to

02:24:27.840 be

02:24:27.960 associated

02:24:28.440 with

02:24:28.720 this

02:24:28.920 idea

02:24:29.200 of

02:24:29.320 that

02:24:29.460 initial

02:24:29.800 choice

02:24:30.180 say

02:24:30.400 between

02:24:30.700 good

02:24:30.940 and

02:24:31.060 evil

02:24:31.320 see

02:24:32.560 once

02:24:33.220 someone

02:24:33.500 comes

02:24:33.780 to

02:24:33.960 therapy

02:24:34.380 they've

02:24:35.080 already

02:24:35.280 done

02:24:35.560 something

02:24:36.020 they've

02:24:36.980 already

02:24:37.200 said

02:24:37.520 I

02:24:37.760 have

02:24:37.920 a

02:24:38.040 problem

02:24:38.460 conceivably

02:24:39.400 I

02:24:39.600 could

02:24:39.780 fix

02:24:40.060 it

02:24:40.200 and

02:24:40.380 I

02:24:40.500 need

02:24:40.740 to

02:24:40.880 do

02:24:41.000 something

02:24:41.300 about

02:24:41.600 it

02:24:41.820 and

02:24:42.180 then

02:24:42.380 so

02:24:43.160 half

02:24:43.440 the

02:24:43.560 work

02:24:43.740 is

02:24:43.880 done

02:24:44.300 by

02:24:44.440 the

02:24:44.560 time

02:24:44.740 they

02:24:44.880 show

02:24:45.120 up

02:24:45.300 because

02:24:45.520 they've

02:24:45.720 already

02:24:45.920 said

02:24:46.260 well

02:24:46.480 things

02:24:46.780 aren't

02:24:47.000 as

02:24:47.140 good

02:24:47.300 as

02:24:47.420 they

02:24:47.560 could

02:24:47.740 be

02:24:47.880 and

02:24:48.000 I

02:24:48.120 could

02:24:48.240 do

02:24:48.380 something

02:24:48.620 about

02:24:48.940 it

02:24:49.140 the

02:24:49.740 question

02:24:50.060 is

02:24:50.340 can

02:24:51.020 you

02:24:51.160 do

02:24:51.320 anything

02:24:51.620 about

02:24:51.940 someone

02:24:52.340 who

02:24:52.720 isn't

02:24:53.040 at

02:24:53.240 that

02:24:53.500 state

02:24:54.000 and

02:24:54.640 my

02:24:55.200 observation

02:24:55.820 and

02:24:56.020 this

02:24:56.180 is

02:24:56.320 Roger's

02:24:56.760 observation

02:24:57.240 as

02:24:57.480 well

02:24:57.680 is

02:24:57.840 that

02:24:57.980 you

02:24:58.140 can't

02:24:58.620 I

02:24:59.260 think

02:24:59.440 you

02:24:59.580 can

02:24:59.760 serve

02:25:00.420 by

02:25:00.760 example

02:25:01.420 but

02:25:02.020 until

02:25:02.280 the

02:25:02.440 person

02:25:02.820 has

02:25:03.140 decided

02:25:03.800 on

02:25:04.240 their

02:25:04.440 own

02:25:04.860 that

02:25:05.700 they're

02:25:06.060 wrong

02:25:14.440 that

02:25:14.600 often

02:25:14.880 makes

02:25:15.180 it

02:25:15.320 worse

02:25:15.680 so

02:25:16.460 and

02:25:16.600 I

02:25:16.700 know

02:25:16.900 that

02:25:17.120 Solzhenitsyn

02:25:17.800 when he

02:25:18.080 was

02:25:18.240 talking

02:25:18.580 about

02:25:18.920 the

02:25:19.620 communist

02:25:20.200 ideologues

02:25:21.060 the

02:25:21.180 really

02:25:21.360 hardcore

02:25:21.780 communist

02:25:22.300 ideologues

02:25:22.880 that

02:25:22.980 were

02:25:23.100 eaten

02:25:23.340 up

02:25:23.540 by

02:25:23.660 the

02:25:23.800 gulag

02:25:24.100 archipelago

02:25:24.640 system

02:25:25.100 you know

02:25:25.540 sort

02:25:25.740 of

02:25:25.820 devoured

02:25:26.200 by

02:25:26.400 their

02:25:26.600 own

02:25:26.840 he

02:25:27.300 saw

02:25:27.500 the

02:25:27.660 same

02:25:27.900 thing

02:25:28.240 was

02:25:28.460 that

02:25:28.620 until

02:25:28.980 they

02:25:29.620 were

02:25:29.760 willing

02:25:30.100 to

02:25:30.340 admit

02:25:30.720 that

02:25:31.120 something

02:25:31.860 was

02:25:32.180 wrong

02:25:32.660 with

02:25:32.880 the

02:25:33.040 manner

02:25:33.280 in

02:25:33.460 which

02:25:33.720 they

02:25:34.100 had

02:25:34.520 construed

02:25:35.000 the

02:25:35.120 world

02:25:35.380 that

02:25:35.600 resulted

02:25:36.460 in

02:25:36.640 their

02:25:36.760 own

02:25:36.920 demise

02:25:37.280 that

02:25:37.760 there

02:25:37.860 was

02:25:37.980 actually

02:25:38.280 no

02:25:38.460 way

02:25:38.600 of

02:25:38.720 communicating

02:25:39.160 with

02:25:39.500 them

02:25:39.660 they're

02:25:40.040 in

02:25:40.160 kind

02:25:40.380 of

02:25:40.460 an

02:25:40.580 authoritarian

02:25:41.000 bubble

02:25:41.600 and

02:25:41.920 so

02:25:42.140 I

02:25:43.500 don't

02:25:44.560 think

02:25:45.020 that

02:25:45.300 so

02:25:47.260 even

02:25:47.600 if

02:25:47.820 you

02:25:48.000 orient

02:25:48.360 yourself

02:25:48.800 as

02:25:49.000 an

02:25:49.160 archetypal

02:25:49.820 hero

02:25:50.100 there's

02:25:50.400 no

02:25:50.540 way

02:25:50.700 you

02:25:50.820 can

02:25:50.960 get

02:25:51.180 through

02:25:51.440 that

02:25:51.760 barrier

02:25:53.080 that

02:25:53.320 well

02:25:53.440 I

02:25:53.600 think

02:25:53.800 that

02:25:53.980 that's

02:25:54.220 part

02:25:54.480 of

02:25:54.600 the

02:25:54.740 issue

02:25:55.000 of

02:25:55.160 free

02:25:55.360 will

02:25:55.620 I

02:25:55.820 think

02:25:56.020 that

02:25:56.180 I

02:25:56.620 do

02:25:56.780 not

02:25:56.980 think

02:25:57.180 that

02:25:57.320 people

02:25:57.540 can

02:25:57.760 learn

02:25:58.000 unless

02:25:58.320 they

02:25:58.540 admit

02:25:58.860 that

02:25:59.060 they're

02:25:59.240 wrong

02:25:59.560 there

02:26:00.440 was

02:26:00.600 this

02:26:00.880 play

02:26:03.820 the

02:26:04.220 cocktail

02:26:04.580 hour

02:26:05.060 by

02:26:05.480 T.S.

02:26:05.900 Eliot

02:26:06.120 and he

02:26:06.420 has

02:26:06.560 this

02:26:06.760 woman 0.99

02:26:07.040 in

02:26:07.240 the

02:26:07.340 play

02:26:07.580 and

02:26:07.760 she

02:26:07.900 comes

02:26:08.080 up

02:26:08.220 to

02:26:08.320 a

02:26:08.460 psychiatrist

02:26:08.880 and

02:26:09.240 she

02:26:09.400 says

02:26:09.740 just

02:26:10.480 in

02:26:10.640 the

02:26:10.740 course

02:26:10.980 of

02:26:11.120 casual

02:26:11.500 conversation

02:26:12.120 she

02:26:12.360 says

02:26:12.660 I

02:26:13.140 really

02:26:13.400 hope

02:26:13.720 there's

02:26:13.940 something

02:26:14.200 wrong

02:26:14.500 with

02:26:14.700 me

02:26:14.940 and

02:26:15.380 of

02:26:15.520 course

02:26:15.700 the

02:26:15.880 psychiatrist

02:26:16.280 is

02:26:16.580 a

02:26:16.680 bit

02:26:16.800 taken

02:26:17.060 aback

02:26:17.360 by

02:26:17.540 that

02:26:17.760 and

02:26:17.860 he

02:26:17.940 says

02:26:18.080 well

02:26:18.220 why

02:26:18.400 in

02:26:18.500 the

02:26:18.580 world

02:26:18.740 would

02:26:18.900 you

02:26:19.000 hope

02:26:19.200 such

02:26:19.460 a

02:26:19.580 thing

02:26:19.740 and

02:26:19.880 she

02:26:20.400 says

02:26:20.680 something

02:26:21.000 like

02:26:21.300 well

02:26:21.860 like

02:26:22.180 I'm

02:26:22.400 suffering

02:26:22.840 man

02:26:23.160 things

02:26:23.440 are

02:26:23.560 not

02:26:23.720 good

02:26:23.940 for

02:26:24.120 me

02:26:24.260 I'm

02:26:24.460 having

02:26:24.640 a

02:26:24.800 dreadful

02:26:25.140 time

02:26:25.420 of

02:26:25.540 it

02:26:25.640 and

02:26:25.720 as

02:26:25.840 far

02:26:26.000 as

02:26:26.120 I

02:26:26.220 can

02:26:26.340 tell

02:26:26.560 there's

02:26:27.040 only

02:26:27.220 two

02:26:27.420 possibilities

02:26:28.080 either

02:26:28.760 the

02:26:28.980 world

02:26:29.360 in

02:26:30.000 its

02:26:30.340 essence

02:26:30.860 is

02:26:31.120 conspiring

02:26:31.680 against

02:26:32.120 me

02:26:32.380 and

02:26:32.540 I'm

02:26:32.800 doomed

02:26:33.160 because

02:26:33.500 what

02:26:33.780 am I

02:26:33.980 going

02:26:34.140 to

02:26:34.260 do

02:26:34.380 about

02:26:34.580 the

02:26:34.740 world

02:26:34.980 like

02:26:35.220 it's

02:26:35.420 just

02:26:35.580 built

02:26:35.900 into

02:26:36.120 the

02:26:36.300 structure

02:26:36.640 of

02:26:36.820 reality

02:26:37.160 or

02:26:37.760 I'm

02:26:38.020 doing

02:26:38.280 something

02:26:38.760 wrong

02:26:39.260 so

02:26:39.740 I'm

02:26:39.900 really

02:26:40.120 hoping

02:26:40.460 that

02:26:40.660 I'm

02:26:40.820 doing

02:26:40.980 something

02:26:41.320 wrong

02:26:41.660 because

02:26:42.000 if

02:26:42.420 I

02:26:42.580 am

02:26:42.820 then

02:26:42.980 maybe

02:26:43.160 I

02:26:43.340 could

02:26:43.480 fix

02:26:43.760 it

02:26:43.900 and

02:26:44.020 I'd

02:26:44.200 stop

02:26:44.460 suffering

02:26:44.960 and

02:26:45.140 it's

02:26:45.340 something

02:26:45.940 like

02:26:46.260 that

02:26:46.620 and

02:26:46.800 see

02:26:47.400 it's

02:26:47.900 also

02:26:48.260 I

02:26:48.960 think

02:26:49.200 that

02:26:49.400 if

02:26:49.720 your

02:26:49.880 life

02:26:50.140 isn't

02:26:50.400 what

02:26:50.580 it

02:26:50.720 could

02:26:50.940 be

02:26:51.140 and

02:26:51.440 you're

02:26:51.680 suffering

02:26:52.240 then

02:26:53.120 it

02:26:53.320 seems

02:26:53.540 to

02:26:53.700 me

02:26:53.820 that

02:26:54.000 that

02:26:54.020 should

02:26:54.380 be

02:26:54.540 sufficient

02:26:55.000 evidence

02:26:55.520 that

02:26:55.760 you

02:26:55.920 don't

02:26:56.200 know

02:26:56.420 enough

02:26:56.840 and

02:26:57.680 if

02:26:58.180 that

02:26:58.380 isn't

02:26:58.660 sufficient

02:26:59.060 evidence

02:27:08.020 not

02:27:08.180 like

02:27:08.420 rescuing

02:27:08.980 someone

02:27:09.260 who's

02:27:09.460 drowning

02:27:09.880 for

02:27:10.160 example

02:27:10.400 yes

02:27:11.880 you

02:27:12.440 can

02:27:12.620 rescue

02:27:12.960 people

02:27:13.300 when

02:27:13.500 they're

02:27:13.640 drowning

02:27:13.920 even

02:27:14.180 if

02:27:14.360 they

02:27:14.480 don't

02:27:14.700 want

02:27:14.940 you

02:27:15.040 perfect

02:27:15.480 I'll

02:27:18.600 tell you

02:27:18.980 something

02:27:19.280 about

02:27:19.580 that

02:27:19.860 though

02:27:20.080 something

02:27:20.960 interesting

02:27:21.560 about

02:27:21.860 that

02:27:22.160 and

02:27:22.360 that's

02:27:22.680 relevant

02:27:23.040 is

02:27:23.320 that

02:27:23.480 you

02:27:23.600 know

02:27:23.740 I

02:27:24.060 don't

02:27:24.160 know

02:27:24.260 how

02:27:24.360 many

02:27:24.540 of

02:27:24.680 you

02:27:24.780 know

02:27:25.000 how

02:27:25.200 you

02:27:25.400 rescue

02:27:25.780 someone

02:27:26.160 who's

02:27:26.440 drowning

02:27:26.800 you

02:27:28.000 do

02:27:28.160 it

02:27:28.300 like

02:27:28.500 this

02:27:28.920 right

02:27:29.560 you

02:27:29.720 come

02:27:29.920 to

02:27:30.060 them

02:27:30.180 like

02:27:30.380 this

02:27:30.760 and

02:27:31.500 you

02:27:31.640 push 0.64

02:27:31.900 them

02:27:32.060 away 0.99

02:27:38.020 drown 0.94

02:27:38.340 and

02:27:38.900 that's 1.00

02:27:39.160 stupid 1.00

02:27:39.520 because 1.00

02:27:39.780 then

02:27:39.940 you

02:27:40.060 both 0.82

02:27:40.300 drown

02:27:40.680 right

02:27:41.740 and

02:27:41.940 so

02:27:42.180 and

02:27:42.540 that's

02:27:42.800 a

02:27:42.920 really

02:27:43.100 good

02:27:43.320 metaphor

02:27:44.780 for

02:27:45.260 trying

02:27:45.800 to

02:27:45.940 help

02:27:46.180 someone

02:27:46.580 too

02:27:46.900 it's

02:27:47.200 like

02:27:47.400 when

02:27:47.820 people

02:27:48.100 are

02:27:48.320 in

02:27:48.460 real

02:27:48.640 trouble

02:27:49.020 you

02:27:49.240 know

02:27:49.360 some

02:27:49.620 of

02:27:49.760 it's

02:27:49.940 they're

02:27:50.100 confused

02:27:50.540 and

02:27:50.800 some

02:27:51.000 of

02:27:51.120 it

02:27:51.260 is

02:27:51.720 that

02:27:51.880 their

02:27:52.020 life

02:27:52.240 has

02:27:52.400 collapsed

02:27:52.720 around

02:27:52.980 them

02:27:53.160 and

02:27:53.280 there's

02:27:53.480 some

02:27:53.640 malevolence

02:27:54.180 there

02:27:54.420 and

02:27:54.560 there's

02:27:54.760 some

02:27:54.900 desire

02:27:55.260 for

02:27:55.480 vengeance

02:27:55.800 and

02:27:56.020 it's

02:27:56.140 just

02:27:56.300 like

02:27:56.500 one

02:27:56.700 dangerous

02:27:57.180 mess

02:27:57.640 and

02:27:58.320 if

02:27:58.440 you're

02:27:58.600 going

02:27:58.700 to

02:27:58.780 wade

02:27:59.000 in

02:27:59.180 there

02:27:59.340 unprepared

02:27:59.940 the

02:28:00.440 probability

02:28:00.880 that

02:28:01.320 they're

02:28:01.580 going

02:28:01.800 to

02:28:01.980 take

02:28:02.300 you

02:28:02.540 down

02:28:03.000 compared

02:28:03.600 to

02:28:03.800 you

02:28:04.060 elevating

02:28:04.640 them

02:28:04.900 is

02:28:05.060 very

02:28:05.380 very

02:28:05.620 high

02:28:06.020 you

02:28:06.520 know

02:28:06.620 because

02:28:06.840 you

02:28:07.020 don't

02:28:07.160 even

02:28:07.340 know

02:28:07.520 what

02:28:07.720 your 1.00

02:28:07.900 damn 1.00

02:28:08.260 psychological 1.00

02:28:09.080 stability

02:28:09.660 rests

02:28:10.080 on

02:28:10.320 you

02:28:10.660 might

02:28:10.860 be

02:28:11.040 saying

02:28:11.280 just

02:28:11.540 because

02:28:11.860 you're

02:28:12.040 lucky

02:28:12.360 and

02:28:12.580 surrounded

02:28:12.900 by

02:28:13.120 sane

02:28:13.440 people

02:28:13.840 that

02:28:14.340 doesn't

02:28:14.680 mean

02:28:14.900 that

02:28:15.120 you

02:28:15.560 have

02:28:15.800 the

02:28:15.980 psychological

02:28:16.500 wherewithal

02:28:17.260 to

02:28:17.440 really

02:28:17.780 pull

02:28:18.300 someone

02:28:18.580 up

02:28:18.800 from

02:28:19.080 the

02:28:19.520 depths

02:28:19.860 of

02:28:20.040 the

02:28:20.200 underworld

02:28:20.640 especially

02:28:21.100 if

02:28:21.320 they've

02:28:21.500 also

02:28:21.720 got

02:28:21.940 one

02:28:22.160 foot

02:28:22.380 in 0.99

02:28:22.560 hell

02:28:22.800 so

02:28:23.120 you

02:28:23.320 should 1.00

02:28:23.520 bloody 0.95

02:28:23.800 well

02:28:24.020 be

02:28:24.220 careful

02:28:24.600 about

02:28:25.180 doing

02:28:25.460 that

02:28:25.680 kind

02:28:25.920 of

02:28:26.020 thing

02:28:26.220 it's

02:28:26.480 it's

02:28:26.860 hubristic

02:28:27.500 to

02:28:27.780 attempt

02:28:28.180 it

02:28:28.360 and I

02:28:28.620 would

02:28:28.800 you know

02:28:29.360 I would

02:28:29.680 definitely

02:28:30.080 caution

02:28:30.660 people

02:28:31.080 very

02:28:31.420 carefully

02:28:31.860 about

02:28:32.200 trying

02:28:32.480 to

02:28:32.640 rescue

02:28:32.920 someone

02:28:33.240 who

02:28:33.400 doesn't

02:28:33.660 want

02:28:33.840 to

02:28:33.900 be

02:28:34.020 rescued

02:28:34.360 it's

02:28:34.720 it's

02:28:35.360 very

02:28:35.640 dangerous

02:28:36.100 activity

02:28:36.660 and

02:28:37.020 it

02:28:37.140 can

02:28:37.260 easily

02:28:37.520 be

02:28:37.740 counterproductive

02:28:38.540 okay

02:28:39.920 so

02:28:40.120 about

02:28:40.360 since

02:28:40.640 2006

02:28:41.400 I've

02:28:41.560 been

02:28:41.660 trying

02:28:41.840 to

02:28:41.960 figure

02:28:42.140 out

02:28:42.260 like

02:28:42.380 extract

02:28:42.780 the

02:28:42.980 meta

02:28:43.220 the

02:28:43.520 way

02:28:43.620 you

02:28:43.740 put

02:28:43.940 it

02:28:44.140 of

02:28:44.660 social

02:28:45.180 justice

02:28:45.540 warriors

02:28:45.860 and

02:28:46.060 I

02:28:46.140 think

02:28:46.260 I

02:28:46.380 found

02:28:46.640 it

02:28:46.820 actually

02:28:47.580 they

02:28:48.220 seem

02:28:48.340 to

02:28:48.420 have

02:28:48.480 this

02:28:48.600 behavior

02:28:48.900 where

02:28:49.080 they

02:28:49.180 just

02:28:49.320 they

02:28:49.520 nebulize

02:28:50.080 every

02:28:50.300 standard

02:28:50.540 we

02:28:50.700 have

02:28:50.960 so

02:28:51.120 they

02:28:51.220 take

02:28:51.380 a

02:28:51.500 standard

02:28:51.740 you

02:28:51.880 have

02:28:52.060 that

02:28:52.180 has

02:28:52.320 full

02:28:52.480 criteria

02:28:53.020 they say

02:28:53.860 what

02:28:54.040 something

02:28:54.300 is

02:28:54.500 is

02:28:54.520 how

02:28:54.780 it

02:28:54.880 is

02:28:55.000 like

02:28:55.100 that's

02:28:55.300 a

02:28:55.400 podium

02:28:55.700 but

02:28:56.200 it has

02:28:56.360 these

02:28:56.460 criteria

02:28:56.840 oh

02:28:57.320 sorry

02:28:59.440 they do

02:29:01.020 something

02:29:01.780 called

02:29:01.920 nebulization

02:29:02.400 where

02:29:02.560 they

02:29:02.660 take

02:29:02.860 something

02:29:03.180 a

02:29:03.340 what

02:29:03.580 and

02:29:04.240 they

02:29:04.340 dissolve

02:29:04.600 the

02:29:04.760 criteria

02:29:05.140 such

02:29:05.460 that

02:29:05.620 there

02:29:05.740 is

02:29:05.860 no

02:29:05.960 way

02:29:06.080 to

02:29:06.200 say

02:29:06.320 how

02:29:06.560 it

02:29:06.700 is

02:29:06.900 so

02:29:07.300 you

02:29:07.400 see

02:29:07.520 this

02:29:07.680 now

02:29:07.820 with

02:29:07.980 gender

02:29:08.260 where

02:29:08.480 someone

02:29:08.720 will

02:29:08.860 say

02:29:08.980 they're

02:29:09.100 a

02:29:09.220 gender

02:29:09.400 but

02:29:09.540 there's

02:29:09.700 no

02:29:09.820 way

02:29:10.000 to

02:29:10.120 get

02:29:10.260 logically

02:29:10.640 from

02:29:11.000 how

02:29:11.880 they

02:29:12.040 can

02:29:12.160 be

02:29:12.280 that

02:29:12.460 gender

02:29:12.680 like

02:29:12.860 how

02:29:12.980 you

02:29:13.100 can

02:29:13.200 be

02:29:13.320 an

02:29:13.440 attack

02:29:13.700 helicopter

02:29:14.200 or a

02:29:14.480 male

02:29:14.660 or a

02:29:14.880 woman 0.99

02:29:15.060 or something

02:29:15.360 like that

02:29:15.840 but the

02:29:18.240 thing

02:29:18.360 that came

02:29:18.660 from

02:29:18.820 this

02:29:19.000 and I

02:29:19.220 figured

02:29:19.440 this

02:29:19.600 out

02:29:19.720 when I

02:29:20.000 learned

02:29:21.120 about

02:29:21.300 you

02:29:21.480 is that

02:29:22.060 nebulization

02:29:22.660 appears to

02:29:23.140 be the

02:29:23.340 exact

02:29:23.640 opposite

02:29:24.060 process

02:29:24.800 of

02:29:25.680 individuation

02:29:26.620 it's the

02:29:28.320 philosophical

02:29:28.780 version

02:29:29.140 of

02:29:29.240 individuation

02:29:30.140 that

02:29:30.420 rests on

02:29:31.340 three

02:29:31.520 premises

02:29:31.900 or three

02:29:32.340 core

02:29:32.640 axioms

02:29:33.180 which is

02:29:34.120 I exist

02:29:34.740 which is

02:29:35.180 an axiom

02:29:35.680 that exists

02:29:36.040 like an

02:29:36.340 objective

02:29:36.780 that you

02:29:37.220 exist

02:29:37.520 here

02:29:37.840 and then

02:29:38.840 I am

02:29:39.180 which is

02:29:39.420 a reiteration

02:29:40.120 or reincarnation

02:29:41.520 of I exist

02:29:42.220 which is

02:29:43.240 basically you have

02:29:44.980 to say I'm

02:29:45.380 right about

02:29:45.680 having existed

02:29:46.180 or else

02:29:46.500 it just falls

02:29:46.900 apart

02:29:47.220 and then you

02:29:47.980 have as

02:29:48.520 which is

02:29:48.840 the question

02:29:49.200 begged

02:29:49.420 from that

02:29:49.720 well if

02:29:49.940 you exist

02:29:50.340 and you're

02:29:50.580 right

02:29:50.840 as what

02:29:51.760 and you're

02:29:52.660 talking about

02:29:53.140 God being

02:29:53.600 the metaphor

02:29:54.680 of God

02:29:55.160 and Genesis

02:29:55.560 being the

02:29:56.120 metaphor

02:29:57.400 for the

02:29:57.780 creation

02:29:57.960 of

02:29:58.100 consciousness

02:29:58.520 and it

02:29:59.400 appears

02:29:59.640 that

02:29:59.840 individuation

02:30:00.580 actually

02:30:00.920 fits

02:30:01.160 that

02:30:01.340 triad

02:30:01.820 because

02:30:02.660 if you

02:30:02.920 take

02:30:03.140 as

02:30:03.500 for

02:30:03.660 example

02:30:04.100 the

02:30:04.900 as

02:30:05.140 is

02:30:05.300 the

02:30:05.680 predictive

02:30:06.040 aspect

02:30:06.520 where you

02:30:06.780 try to

02:30:07.000 take

02:30:07.120 the

02:30:07.240 subjective

02:30:07.640 and

02:30:07.920 make

02:30:08.080 it

02:30:08.180 objective

02:30:08.540 so you

02:30:08.740 have

02:30:08.820 an

02:30:08.900 idea

02:30:09.160 you

02:30:09.320 test

02:30:09.640 it

02:30:09.860 in

02:30:10.420 reality

02:30:10.820 and time

02:30:11.360 is the

02:30:11.640 ultimate

02:30:11.840 arboretum

02:30:12.120 that determines

02:30:12.580 these

02:30:12.740 things

02:30:12.960 and it

02:30:13.540 changes

02:30:13.800 your

02:30:13.960 understanding

02:30:14.260 of reality

02:30:14.700 it lets

02:30:15.400 you know

02:30:15.740 God

02:30:16.020 it lets

02:30:16.260 you know

02:30:16.500 the objective

02:30:17.020 and then

02:30:17.820 from that

02:30:18.140 point

02:30:18.440 there's

02:30:18.720 the

02:30:18.840 subjective

02:30:19.220 which is

02:30:19.640 supposed to

02:30:19.880 be formed

02:30:20.100 from object

02:30:20.500 to reality

02:30:20.920 because you've

02:30:21.840 changed that

02:30:22.540 you have to

02:30:23.520 sacrifice your

02:30:24.200 old self

02:30:24.680 the old way 0.96

02:30:25.160 you saw

02:30:25.440 Jordan Peterson

02:30:26.000 of ten years

02:30:26.520 ago was not

02:30:27.000 who he is

02:30:27.340 now

02:30:27.640 so it gets

02:30:28.620 sacrificed

02:30:29.060 and at the

02:30:29.440 same time

02:30:29.780 you can point

02:30:30.180 back to that

02:30:30.640 guy that

02:30:30.980 Jordan Peterson

02:30:31.540 and say

02:30:32.040 well that guy

02:30:32.900 was wrong

02:30:33.400 and that's the

02:30:34.280 scapegoating

02:30:34.760 of the son

02:30:35.300 so the

02:30:36.460 subjective

02:30:36.800 aspect

02:30:37.200 the I am

02:30:37.580 right is the

02:30:42.740 I don't

02:30:42.860 understand the

02:30:43.480 relationship

02:30:43.960 between that

02:30:44.620 and the

02:30:44.860 first part

02:30:45.440 so can

02:30:47.580 you just

02:30:48.080 clarify that

02:30:48.880 the social

02:30:50.380 justice

02:30:50.860 aspect

02:30:51.360 and the

02:30:51.700 nebulization

02:30:52.400 oh the social

02:30:53.220 justice

02:30:53.500 is the

02:30:53.820 exact

02:30:54.060 opposite

02:30:54.380 process

02:30:54.800 of

02:30:54.960 individuation

02:30:55.580 that's all

02:30:56.400 it is

02:30:56.820 and it

02:30:57.660 actually

02:30:57.900 occurs at

02:30:58.360 as

02:30:58.620 if you're

02:30:58.900 at

02:30:59.000 as

02:30:59.280 and you're

02:30:59.460 thinking

02:30:59.600 well what

02:30:59.940 am I

02:31:00.300 you either

02:31:01.040 apply

02:31:01.340 individuation

02:31:02.100 you try

02:31:02.500 to apply

02:31:02.840 criteria

02:31:03.100 you try

02:31:03.320 to find

02:31:03.640 out what

02:31:03.920 you are

02:31:04.180 in reality

02:31:04.660 or you

02:31:05.360 refuse

02:31:05.640 that

02:31:05.820 paradigm

02:31:06.140 and say

02:31:06.400 well look

02:31:06.700 I am

02:31:07.140 I'm always

02:31:07.840 going to

02:31:08.060 be right

02:31:08.360 I'm

02:31:08.480 completely

02:31:08.800 self-righteous

02:31:09.520 and you

02:31:10.240 stop at

02:31:10.640 that

02:31:10.780 subjective

02:31:11.180 aspect

02:31:11.620 where

02:31:11.820 everything

02:31:12.060 becomes

02:31:12.420 subjective

02:31:12.820 and you

02:31:13.120 ultimately

02:31:13.400 become

02:31:13.740 relativistic

02:31:14.280 and nihilistic

02:31:14.920 so I'm

02:31:15.960 asking have

02:31:16.400 you considered

02:31:17.020 that the

02:31:18.000 Genesis tale

02:31:19.000 and the

02:31:19.740 creation myth

02:31:22.060 and God

02:31:22.480 is actually

02:31:23.460 the process

02:31:24.880 of individuation

02:31:25.740 and the

02:31:26.460 trinity

02:31:26.700 is actually

02:31:27.140 those three

02:31:27.580 core premises

02:31:28.200 the three

02:31:28.600 axioms

02:31:29.040 that come

02:31:29.380 from that

02:31:30.020 okay

02:31:31.060 I haven't

02:31:31.680 considered

02:31:32.080 that

02:31:32.500 I mean

02:31:33.200 I know

02:31:34.820 that

02:31:35.260 Jung

02:31:38.800 idea

02:31:39.000 of the

02:31:39.240 passion

02:31:39.680 for example

02:31:40.680 and the

02:31:41.300 development

02:31:41.700 of human

02:31:42.620 individuality

02:31:43.480 and so

02:31:44.140 there's

02:31:44.460 that idea

02:31:45.380 is lurking

02:31:46.480 inside the

02:31:47.160 Jungian notion

02:31:47.740 of individuation

02:31:48.580 because it

02:31:49.060 has to do

02:31:49.620 with voluntary

02:31:50.480 confrontation

02:31:51.140 with mortality

02:31:52.100 and also

02:31:52.740 with evil

02:31:53.260 right

02:31:53.560 as two

02:31:54.200 of the

02:31:54.420 key elements

02:31:55.020 of genuine

02:31:56.060 self-realization

02:31:57.400 I haven't

02:31:59.080 considered

02:31:59.640 the metaphorical

02:32:01.320 pathway

02:32:01.920 that you

02:32:02.380 just described

02:32:03.200 so I can't

02:32:04.220 comment on

02:32:04.800 that

02:32:05.080 I'd have

02:32:05.520 to think

02:32:05.840 about that

02:32:06.380 but

02:32:06.920 I could

02:32:07.740 say

02:32:08.040 that one

02:32:08.620 of the

02:32:08.900 things

02:32:09.160 that does

02:32:09.600 disturb

02:32:10.120 me

02:32:10.360 about

02:32:10.660 the

02:32:10.960 ideological

02:32:11.520 battle

02:32:12.080 that's

02:32:12.360 going

02:32:12.600 on

02:32:12.820 right

02:32:13.040 now

02:32:13.360 and I

02:32:14.260 think

02:32:14.440 this is a

02:32:14.860 very deep

02:32:15.300 part of it

02:32:15.860 and this

02:32:16.420 is the part

02:32:16.960 that's a battle

02:32:17.700 against the

02:32:18.220 logos

02:32:18.520 in Derrida's

02:32:19.840 old terms

02:32:20.520 right

02:32:20.760 the phallogocentric

02:32:22.120 West

02:32:22.500 needs to be

02:32:23.120 taken down

02:32:24.000 to its essence

02:32:24.720 is the refusal

02:32:25.960 to engage

02:32:26.720 in precise

02:32:27.380 language

02:32:27.940 and I see

02:32:29.060 that in part

02:32:29.620 for example

02:32:30.180 manifested

02:32:31.480 in the refusal

02:32:32.240 of the people

02:32:32.920 who I'm

02:32:33.740 criticizing

02:32:34.200 to ever engage

02:32:35.080 me in any

02:32:35.500 debate

02:32:35.860 they don't

02:32:36.560 believe in

02:32:37.000 debate

02:32:37.300 and they

02:32:37.620 don't

02:32:37.820 believe

02:32:38.140 in the

02:32:38.560 redemptive

02:32:41.520 power

02:32:41.880 of dialogue

02:32:42.480 because mostly

02:32:43.300 what they

02:32:43.640 believe in

02:32:44.100 is power

02:32:44.620 so there's

02:32:45.320 a nebulization

02:32:46.200 in that

02:32:46.780 manner

02:32:47.180 there's

02:32:47.500 this

02:32:47.720 tendency

02:32:48.400 to hide

02:32:48.980 behind

02:32:49.440 what's

02:32:49.800 vague

02:32:50.120 and fog

02:32:50.700 like

02:32:51.080 instead

02:32:51.760 of making

02:32:52.200 things

02:32:52.560 sharp

02:32:52.900 and clear

02:32:53.540 and crystalline

02:32:54.320 and I

02:32:54.600 do think

02:32:55.000 that that's

02:32:55.460 well that's

02:32:56.000 part of

02:32:56.300 the degeneration

02:32:56.920 of a

02:32:57.420 civilization

02:32:57.840 as far

02:32:58.480 as I'm

02:32:58.760 concerned

02:32:59.140 so

02:32:59.860 so you

02:33:00.280 haven't

02:33:00.520 considered

02:33:00.840 that

02:33:01.080 then

02:33:01.320 would you

02:33:02.420 please

02:33:02.940 I'll do

02:33:05.400 my best

02:33:06.060 I'll do

02:33:06.440 my best

02:33:06.980 thank you

02:33:13.080 thank you

02:33:13.800 okay so

02:33:19.400 one

02:33:19.640 this is it

02:33:20.240 one more

02:33:20.620 question

02:33:21.040 I'll make

02:33:21.520 it quick

02:33:21.940 hi Dr.

02:33:23.960 Peterson

02:33:24.280 my question

02:33:25.580 is

02:33:26.060 I know

02:33:27.240 you stated

02:33:27.700 in the

02:33:28.040 last

02:33:28.520 lecture

02:33:31.040 that the

02:33:31.680 importance

02:33:32.140 for setting

02:33:32.860 aims in

02:33:33.360 life

02:33:33.660 and

02:33:34.200 to kind

02:33:36.180 of have

02:33:36.420 goals

02:33:37.120 to work

02:33:38.400 towards

02:33:38.820 right

02:33:39.040 so my

02:33:39.400 question

02:33:39.780 was

02:33:40.280 how do

02:33:42.860 you do

02:33:43.120 that

02:33:43.320 if you

02:33:43.620 don't

02:33:43.840 know

02:33:44.040 where

02:33:44.240 you

02:33:44.360 want

02:33:44.520 to

02:33:44.620 go

02:33:44.780 because

02:33:45.260 that's

02:33:46.020 kind

02:33:46.180 of

02:33:46.260 where

02:33:46.400 I

02:33:46.500 got

02:33:46.640 stuck

02:33:46.940 on

02:33:47.120 your

02:33:47.360 future

02:33:48.000 authoring

02:33:48.920 program

02:33:49.300 because

02:33:49.760 okay

02:33:50.740 that's

02:33:51.060 a good

02:33:51.500 question

02:33:51.920 that's

02:33:52.260 a really

02:33:52.460 good

02:33:52.660 question

02:33:53.060 I think

02:33:57.220 it's

02:33:57.460 echoed

02:33:57.960 to some

02:33:58.320 degree

02:33:58.720 in the

02:34:00.120 structure

02:34:00.480 of the

02:34:00.900 biblical

02:34:01.140 stories

02:34:01.680 in this

02:34:02.900 manner

02:34:03.240 so there's

02:34:04.100 this notion

02:34:04.660 in the

02:34:05.080 old

02:34:05.260 testament

02:34:05.600 that

02:34:05.860 morality

02:34:06.240 is

02:34:06.680 following

02:34:07.700 a

02:34:08.060 sequence

02:34:08.480 of

02:34:08.800 prohibitions

02:34:09.580 there's

02:34:10.300 a bunch

02:34:10.540 of bad

02:34:10.820 things

02:34:11.060 you

02:34:11.200 shouldn't

02:34:11.560 do

02:34:11.800 and

02:34:12.180 then

02:34:12.360 basically

02:34:12.760 you're

02:34:13.000 good

02:34:13.180 enough

02:34:13.540 and

02:34:14.280 I

02:34:14.840 think

02:34:15.060 there's

02:34:15.360 wisdom

02:34:15.680 in that

02:34:16.000 I

02:34:16.140 think

02:34:16.520 that's

02:34:16.800 kind

02:34:16.960 of

02:34:17.020 where

02:34:17.140 children

02:34:17.500 start

02:34:17.960 right

02:34:18.240 I

02:34:19.360 mean

02:34:19.520 I

02:34:19.640 love

02:34:19.820 children

02:34:20.180 and all

02:34:20.440 that

02:34:20.660 but

02:34:20.820 they're 0.99

02:34:21.920 crazy

02:34:22.420 little

02:34:22.640 creatures

02:34:22.980 and

02:34:23.240 they

02:34:23.460 need

02:34:23.660 to

02:34:23.780 be

02:34:24.120 you

02:34:24.280 know

02:34:24.420 civilized

02:34:25.380 and

02:34:25.580 partly

02:34:26.600 what

02:34:26.800 you

02:34:26.920 do

02:34:27.080 is

02:34:27.260 you

02:34:27.480 lay

02:34:28.360 prohibitions

02:34:29.100 on

02:34:29.360 them

02:34:29.500 and

02:34:29.660 mostly

02:34:30.520 what

02:34:30.920 you're

02:34:31.060 trying

02:34:31.220 to do

02:34:31.480 is

02:34:31.600 lay

02:34:31.960 prohibitions

02:34:32.640 on

02:34:32.920 them

02:34:33.120 for

02:34:34.300 the

02:34:34.460 behaviors

02:34:34.860 that

02:34:35.080 if

02:34:35.300 they

02:34:35.460 manifested

02:34:36.040 would

02:34:36.320 make

02:34:36.540 their

02:34:36.700 life

02:34:36.940 miserable

02:34:37.420 so I

02:34:38.140 have

02:34:38.280 another

02:34:38.520 chapter

02:34:38.920 in

02:34:39.140 this

02:34:39.300 book

02:34:39.500 that

02:34:39.680 I'm

02:34:39.900 writing

02:34:40.260 called

02:34:40.600 Don't

02:34:40.960 let

02:34:41.140 your

02:34:41.280 children

02:34:41.560 do

02:34:41.760 anything

02:34:42.060 that

02:34:42.260 makes

02:34:42.500 you

02:34:42.620 dislike

02:34:43.080 them

02:34:43.320 and

02:34:44.060 the

02:34:44.340 idea

02:34:44.640 there

02:34:44.920 is

02:34:45.120 that

02:34:45.340 your

02:34:45.700 job

02:34:46.340 as

02:34:46.500 a

02:34:46.620 parent

02:34:46.880 is

02:34:47.100 to

02:34:47.300 help

02:34:48.640 your

02:34:48.860 children

02:34:49.160 become

02:34:49.560 the

02:34:49.760 sort

02:34:49.960 of

02:34:50.100 four

02:34:50.360 year

02:34:50.540 olds

02:34:50.800 that

02:34:51.060 adults

02:34:51.840 genuinely

02:34:52.560 smile

02:34:53.240 at

02:34:53.540 when

02:34:53.720 they

02:34:53.860 come

02:34:54.060 into

02:34:54.280 a

02:34:54.480 room

02:34:54.720 because

02:34:55.360 that

02:34:55.600 makes

02:34:55.840 the

02:34:56.000 entire

02:34:56.280 social

02:34:56.720 environment

02:34:57.200 both

02:34:57.520 truthful

02:34:57.940 and

02:34:58.200 welcoming

02:34:58.600 and

02:34:59.160 so

02:34:59.280 your

02:34:59.460 job

02:34:59.740 is

02:34:59.900 to

02:35:00.100 make

02:35:00.940 them

02:35:01.220 desirable

02:35:02.260 social

02:35:02.820 beings

02:35:03.280 and

02:35:03.460 a lot

02:35:03.740 of

02:35:03.840 that

02:35:04.000 is

02:35:04.140 prohibition

02:35:04.840 okay

02:35:05.780 and

02:35:06.000 there's

02:35:06.180 this

02:35:06.380 ethical

02:35:06.880 transformation

02:35:07.700 it

02:35:08.500 happens

02:35:08.940 to

02:35:09.120 some

02:35:09.320 degree

02:35:09.680 in

02:35:10.000 the

02:35:10.620 tradition

02:35:11.120 of

02:35:14.920 in

02:35:15.100 some

02:35:15.320 sense

02:35:15.580 to

02:35:15.740 rise

02:35:15.980 above

02:35:16.200 the

02:35:16.360 law

02:35:16.560 but

02:35:16.760 there's

02:35:16.960 a

02:35:17.040 real

02:35:17.200 transformation

02:35:17.700 between

02:35:18.180 the

02:35:18.360 Old

02:35:18.520 Testament

02:35:18.840 and

02:35:19.020 the

02:35:19.120 New

02:35:19.280 Testament

02:35:19.620 because

02:35:19.980 the

02:35:20.180 Old

02:35:20.360 Testament

02:35:20.680 is

02:35:20.900 prohibition

02:35:21.600 and

02:35:22.120 the

02:35:22.220 New

02:35:22.380 Testament

02:35:22.740 is

02:35:23.220 well

02:35:23.800 here's

02:35:24.040 the

02:35:24.200 good

02:35:24.460 things

02:35:24.860 you

02:35:25.020 do

02:35:25.360 once

02:35:26.060 you're

02:35:26.340 more

02:35:26.600 than

02:35:26.840 merely

02:35:27.280 prohibiting

02:35:28.500 yourself

02:35:29.000 from

02:35:29.420 from

02:35:30.120 impulsive

02:35:30.640 sin

02:35:31.120 let's

02:35:31.500 say

02:35:31.640 there's

02:35:31.880 a

02:35:32.020 positive

02:35:32.420 good

02:35:32.800 to

02:35:33.000 be

02:35:33.340 accomplished

02:35:34.700 well

02:35:35.400 you

02:35:35.500 might

02:35:35.640 say

02:35:35.800 well

02:35:35.900 I

02:35:36.000 don't

02:35:36.140 know

02:35:36.260 what

02:35:36.400 the

02:35:36.500 positive

02:35:36.760 good

02:35:44.920 clean

02:35:45.040 up

02:35:45.220 your

02:35:45.360 room

02:35:45.680 and

02:35:46.240 which

02:35:47.920 is

02:35:48.180 a

02:35:48.260 lot

02:35:48.420 better

02:35:48.660 more

02:35:48.920 useful

02:35:49.260 than

02:35:49.460 people

02:35:49.720 think

02:35:50.000 it's

02:35:50.180 a

02:35:50.280 lot

02:35:50.400 harder

02:35:50.720 too

02:35:50.940 but

02:35:51.140 the

02:35:51.840 thing

02:35:52.080 the

02:35:52.240 first

02:35:52.560 thing

02:35:52.800 you

02:35:52.940 do

02:35:53.160 I

02:35:53.320 think

02:35:53.560 and

02:35:53.680 I

02:35:53.800 learned

02:35:54.000 this

02:35:54.180 in

02:35:54.300 part

02:35:54.500 from

02:35:54.680 Solzhenitsyn

02:35:55.320 when he

02:35:55.600 was

02:35:55.740 trying to

02:35:56.060 iron

02:35:56.240 out

02:35:56.440 his

02:35:56.620 soul

02:35:56.860 when

02:35:57.040 he

02:35:57.140 was

02:35:57.280 in

02:35:57.400 the

02:35:57.520 gulag

02:35:57.880 because

02:35:58.120 he

02:35:58.240 was

02:35:58.340 trying

02:35:58.500 to

02:35:58.600 figure

02:35:58.740 out

02:35:58.860 how

02:35:58.960 he

02:36:00.600 contributed

02:36:01.260 to

02:36:01.480 how

02:36:01.660 he

02:36:01.820 got

02:36:02.040 there

02:36:02.300 you

02:36:02.700 know

02:36:02.800 not

02:36:03.040 Stalin 0.57

02:36:03.460 and

02:36:14.920 the

02:36:15.180 direct

02:36:15.660 sphere

02:36:16.060 of

02:36:16.220 influence

02:36:16.640 and

02:36:17.160 fix

02:36:17.620 the

02:36:17.860 things

02:36:18.220 that

02:36:18.440 announce

02:36:19.080 themselves

02:36:19.720 as

02:36:20.200 in

02:36:20.540 need

02:36:20.820 of

02:36:21.000 repair

02:36:21.460 and

02:36:22.160 those

02:36:22.320 are

02:36:22.440 often

02:36:22.760 small

02:36:23.140 things

02:36:23.620 you

02:36:24.180 know

02:36:24.300 and

02:36:24.460 they

02:36:24.720 can

02:36:24.880 be

02:36:25.120 like

02:36:25.460 your

02:36:26.900 room

02:36:27.180 put

02:36:27.600 it

02:36:27.720 in

02:36:27.860 order

02:36:28.100 because

02:36:28.440 the

02:36:28.620 thing

02:36:28.780 is

02:36:29.000 it

02:36:29.520 isn't

02:36:29.820 exactly

02:36:30.340 so

02:36:30.640 important

02:36:31.060 that

02:36:31.240 your

02:36:31.400 room

02:36:31.600 is

02:36:31.760 in

02:36:31.860 order

02:36:32.080 although

02:36:32.400 it

02:36:32.600 is

02:36:32.800 what

02:36:33.380 important

02:36:33.840 is

02:36:34.020 that

02:36:34.160 you

02:36:34.400 learn

02:36:34.920 how

02:36:35.420 to

02:36:35.580 distinguish

02:36:36.080 between

02:36:36.640 chaos

02:36:37.080 and

02:36:37.260 order

02:36:37.540 and

02:36:38.100 to

02:36:38.220 be

02:36:38.360 able

02:36:38.520 to

02:36:38.680 act

02:36:39.020 in

02:36:39.160 a

02:36:39.280 manner

02:36:39.500 that

02:36:39.720 produces

02:36:40.140 order

02:36:40.560 and

02:36:41.000 in

02:36:41.140 most

02:36:41.420 households

02:36:41.900 there's

02:36:42.280 a hundred

02:36:42.680 things

02:36:43.120 that

02:36:43.300 could

02:36:43.460 be

02:36:43.600 done

02:36:43.840 to

02:36:44.280 just

02:36:44.520 make

02:36:44.820 it

02:36:45.020 less

02:36:45.420 hideous

02:36:45.920 and

02:36:46.100 horrible

02:36:46.480 and

02:36:47.420 so

02:36:47.660 practicing

02:36:48.460 that

02:36:48.760 is

02:36:48.940 it's

02:36:49.300 a

02:36:49.400 real

02:36:49.600 useful

02:36:49.980 form

02:36:50.300 of

02:36:50.460 meditation

02:36:50.980 and

02:36:51.240 it's

02:36:51.440 also

02:36:51.720 it's

02:36:52.360 also

02:36:52.680 I

02:36:53.180 think

02:36:53.340 it's

02:36:53.500 a

02:36:53.620 divine

02:36:53.960 act

02:36:54.400 because

02:36:54.720 you're

02:36:55.220 taking

02:36:55.540 chaos

02:36:56.280 and

02:36:56.720 you

02:36:56.840 know

02:36:56.960 if

02:36:57.300 you

02:36:57.420 pay

02:36:57.600 attention

02:36:57.980 even

02:36:58.360 to

02:36:58.560 a

02:36:58.740 room

02:36:59.000 it's

02:36:59.200 so

02:36:59.360 interesting

02:36:59.860 and

02:37:00.020 I

02:37:00.100 learned

02:37:00.300 because

02:37:00.480 I've

02:37:00.900 renovated

02:37:01.300 many

02:37:01.560 places

02:37:01.980 now

02:37:02.260 and

02:37:02.400 tried

02:37:02.820 to

02:37:02.940 make

02:37:03.080 them

02:37:03.220 beautiful

02:37:03.560 and

02:37:03.780 one

02:37:03.920 of

02:37:04.040 the

02:37:04.140 things

02:37:04.360 that

02:37:04.520 I've

02:37:04.720 really

02:37:04.900 learned

02:37:05.180 is

02:37:05.320 that

02:37:05.520 even

02:37:06.260 if

02:37:06.420 you

02:37:06.560 own

02:37:06.920 a

02:37:07.120 structure

02:37:07.680 unless

02:37:08.520 you

02:37:08.820 investigated

02:37:10.020 all the

02:37:10.480 nooks

02:37:10.720 and crannies

02:37:11.280 and cleaned

02:37:11.760 them up

02:37:12.140 and put

02:37:13.160 your own

02:37:13.480 imprint

02:37:13.820 on them

02:37:14.380 and made

02:37:15.140 them

02:37:15.340 yours

02:37:15.660 they're

02:37:15.960 not

02:37:16.200 yours

02:37:16.620 the

02:37:17.140 mere

02:37:17.400 fact

02:37:17.820 of

02:37:17.960 physical

02:37:18.260 ownership

02:37:18.600 doesn't

02:37:18.980 make

02:37:19.160 them

02:37:19.340 yours

02:37:19.940 you

02:37:20.220 have

02:37:20.440 to

02:37:20.580 establish

02:37:21.360 a

02:37:22.020 dynamic

02:37:22.520 relationship

02:37:23.300 with

02:37:23.700 the

02:37:23.880 objects

02:37:24.320 before

02:37:24.640 they're

02:37:24.840 actually

02:37:25.200 yours

02:37:25.600 and

02:37:26.180 I

02:37:26.500 think

02:37:26.760 you

02:37:26.920 can

02:37:27.060 do

02:37:27.520 something

02:37:27.820 as

02:37:28.040 simple

02:37:28.280 as

02:37:28.440 just

02:37:28.620 sit

02:37:28.860 on

02:37:29.020 your

02:37:29.160 bed

02:37:29.560 and

02:37:29.760 think

02:37:29.980 okay

02:37:30.260 there's

02:37:30.820 probably

02:37:31.260 like

02:37:31.620 five

02:37:31.980 things

02:37:32.280 I

02:37:32.440 could

02:37:32.580 do

02:37:32.740 today

02:37:33.020 so

02:37:33.260 that

02:37:33.460 tomorrow

02:37:34.520 morning

02:37:34.920 is

02:37:35.200 slightly

02:37:35.760 better

02:37:36.180 than

02:37:36.420 this

02:37:36.700 morning

02:37:37.020 was

02:37:37.380 at least

02:37:37.740 or

02:37:37.880 at least

02:37:38.120 I'm

02:37:38.280 not

02:37:38.480 falling

02:37:38.800 behind

02:37:39.240 and

02:37:39.680 those

02:37:39.880 will

02:37:40.000 usually

02:37:40.320 be

02:37:40.640 it's

02:37:41.120 like

02:37:41.280 having

02:37:41.460 to eat

02:37:41.680 a

02:37:41.820 toad

02:37:42.180 in

02:37:42.320 the

02:37:42.440 morning

02:37:42.720 right

02:37:43.040 it's

02:37:43.240 like

02:37:43.420 it's

02:37:43.620 not

02:37:43.780 going

02:37:43.900 to

02:37:43.920 be

02:37:44.040 something

02:37:44.280 you

02:37:54.840 telling

02:37:55.200 yourself

02:37:55.660 you

02:37:55.900 know

02:37:56.020 what

02:37:56.620 is

02:37:56.800 it

02:37:56.920 that

02:37:57.060 I

02:37:57.200 could

02:37:57.360 do

02:37:57.520 to

02:37:57.680 set

02:37:57.980 things

02:37:58.440 more

02:37:58.800 right

02:37:59.200 today

02:37:59.780 that

02:38:00.800 I

02:38:00.960 would

02:38:01.380 actually

02:38:02.120 do

02:38:02.660 it's

02:38:03.360 usually

02:38:03.580 some

02:38:03.840 small

02:38:04.140 thing

02:38:04.440 because

02:38:04.640 you're

02:38:04.820 not

02:38:04.940 that

02:38:05.140 disciplined

02:38:05.540 you

02:38:05.780 know

02:38:05.940 then

02:38:06.580 you

02:38:06.700 can

02:38:06.840 go

02:38:06.980 do

02:38:07.240 it

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02:38:52.260 would

02:38:52.400 recommend

02:38:52.860 thank

02:38:53.440 you

02:38:53.720 all right

02:38:54.680 good night

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The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast - May 29, 2017

Genesis - Chaos and Order

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