Christine Anderson is a member of the European Parliament representing the Alternative f r Deutschland (AFD) party, which has been described by the progressive mob, by the asleep liberals, and by conservatives who are attempting to virtue signal in the same way as far-right extremists in the UK press.
00:00:00.000Germany is turning into a hellhole country.
00:00:04.320We want policies, we want politics that actually represent the people again.
00:00:09.160You've got a radically centralized Europe where the distance between the citizens and the government grew to like slave tyrant proportions.
00:00:18.960But now we are at a point where the peoples of Europe are no longer sovereign.
00:00:24.640Democratic principles are being abolished pretty much across the board throughout every single Western democracy.
00:00:33.240The real seat of power and the real decision-making authority rests with supranational organizations like the WEF and the EU.
00:01:02.360I suppose that's not particularly rare, although she might be more controversial than most.
00:01:10.160Interviewing her, having the opportunity to interview her brought to mind the conundrum I faced when my wife and I talked with Tommy Robinson,
00:01:19.880who brought the grooming gangs to the rape gangs to widespread public attention in the UK.
00:01:27.960Tommy, who is a man not without his flaws, like all of us, by the way, has been pilloried in the UK press as far right.
00:01:38.840And that's the same fate that's befallen my guest, Christine Anderson, who's a member of parliament for the European parliament,
00:01:46.080representing Germany, Deutschland, and the political party alternative for Deutschland, the AFD,
00:01:53.840which has also been described by the progressive mob, by the asleep liberals,
00:02:00.460and by conservatives who are attempting to virtue signal, I think, in the same way as far right.
00:02:06.520Well, I'm quite curious about the AFD and its rise in Germany, the rise of populist, right-wing, classic conservative parties throughout Eastern Europe
00:02:17.380and in Western Europe, in Italy, in Sweden, in the Netherlands, and with reform, for example, in the UK.
00:02:25.780I'm very curious about this phenomenon.
00:02:27.340And I couldn't think of anyone better to talk to about this than Christine Anderson, who's also on a tour in Canada.
00:02:39.180And so it was an opportune time to discuss immigration, unrestricted immigration into Europe, particularly into Germany.
00:02:46.680The Euro, the European Union, globalization, net zero, and the COVID tyranny.
00:13:03.060And like I said, I mean, the number of people that have to call these names are getting larger and larger.
00:13:11.360So with every controversial issue there is, you once again have another group of people of the population you need to stigmatize in such a way.
00:13:21.340Well, you know, sooner or later, you're going to have a majority of the people of the population being slapped with that label.
00:13:29.200Well, seriously, that's what you're going to do now?
00:14:56.320I mean, you know, just go back to 2015, New Year's Eve.
00:15:00.240There was a mob of, like, what, a thousand men ganging up on women just, you know, being out there celebrating New Year's Eve, notably Cologne.
00:15:11.800It was just dreadful what these women experienced, right?
00:15:16.260We saw an echo of that in Paris two weeks ago at the music festival.
00:15:22.400It's no longer isolated incidents, what we're talking about here.
00:15:26.060So that's been going on for quite some time.
00:15:28.560What we're seeing in Germany now is you have, like, what, two brutal gang rapes every single day in Germany.
00:15:38.440And when I'm saying brutal gang rapes, I mean, these women are not just raped.
00:15:46.600They're brutally beaten within an inch of their life if they survive it at all, right?
00:15:52.840Two of them every single day happening in Germany.
00:15:57.420And that's not even talking about the rapes where there's only one perpetrator, right?
00:16:01.980So, or these random knife attacks, every day, not only every day, on an hourly basis, we have those, like, 12, 13, 14, 15 random knife attacks.
00:16:15.180Right, well, they were thinking about bringing in knife control in the UK for the same reasons.
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00:18:51.480So, it's like, you know, if a family father, he just decided to bring in, you know, just any old Joe Schmo into his house, you know, because he felt, you know, he needed to help these people for whatever reason.
00:19:05.640And then he finds out his family is no longer safe in the house.
00:19:34.640Will you describe to people the federal political structure in Germany so they have some sense?
00:19:41.640Let's outline the main parties and then maybe talk to us a bit about why these, what the fundamental issues are.
00:19:50.060You raised problems with the EU, problems with the euro and immigration.
00:19:55.020Those are the three things that we didn't touch on, de-industrialization or the catastrophic consequences of net zero, which we should also touch on.
00:20:03.220But lay out the political landscape so that people understand the German political scene more particularly.
00:20:09.660I'd like to, for you, also to tell people what you did before you got involved in politics in 2013.
00:20:27.940So, there's, I think there's like seven parties represented in the national parliament in the Bundestag right now.
00:20:33.680So, yeah, let's start with the Christian Democrats.
00:20:38.220The Christian Democrats are the former conservative party.
00:20:43.140Angela Merkel, she pretty much turned the Christian Democrats into this just woke kind of nonsense party, you know, just adhering to just about everything.
00:20:57.500You know, she wanted to be everybody's darling.
00:21:29.660For all kinds of transgender issues and what have you not.
00:21:33.720Yeah, well, economic alienation, let's say, characterized, that characterized the working class has been replaced by postmodern alienation.
00:21:48.220And the people who seem to suffer the most from that in terms of lacking representation are most perversely the working class people that some labor parties actually did work to represent not so long ago.
00:22:56.060I mean, I never voted for the Greens because I just kind of, even back then, as young as I was, I could see, you know, where they're going.
00:23:04.140This ultimately and inevitably will lead into communism because there is no other way you can cut down on industry, you know, without having to redistribute whatever kind of wealth is left, right?
00:24:37.620But like I said, it was really a necessity, out of necessity, because all of the other parties that back in the days each had a different basis.
00:24:47.960Because they represent it, they all kind of represent the same kind of thing.
00:24:55.200They only vary in nuances from, you know, what their policies are, what they advocate for.
00:25:00.540So, they pretty much have become a unity party.
00:25:05.360I think that's the term, what do you call it?
00:25:08.540So, and now it's pretty much the unity party and it's us.
00:25:12.340So, once again, we're back to a two-party system.
00:25:28.640And ironically, Angela Merkel, believe it or not, she was pretty much the one that inspired our name.
00:25:37.900Because when the euro crisis happened, the debt crisis, particularly with Greece, and, you know, we send all these funds down to Greece to help them.
00:25:50.620And maybe it's worth noting, none of these billions and billions of dollars that were sent down to Greece, because we're supposed to help the Greek people, right?
00:26:04.560So, once again, you know, you have to be, have to act in solidarity.
00:26:09.380Not a single cent ever reached a single Greek citizen on the street.
00:26:19.040These billions and billions of dollars we sent down there actually were used to pay off the debt with banks.
00:26:28.280Whether it's, the Commerzbank was pretty, pretty, so it was pretty much German banks that were German-French banks, right?
00:26:36.700The Greek government went into debt, and now they couldn't pay it anymore, but the banks insisted, hey, look, we want our money back, right?
00:31:34.320And then to speak with this elected official who was powerless.
00:31:39.960Now, he wasn't happy about this, by the way.
00:31:42.140But who was powerless to adjust his own thermostat, I thought, yeah, that's pretty much exactly it.
00:31:49.280So, you've got a radically centralized Europe where the distance between the citizens and the government grew to, like, slave tyrant proportions.
00:32:03.040And so, a hyper-elite with disenfranchised people, that's what it looks like to me.
00:32:09.860And so, I don't know, maybe we should start by making a case for the European Union.
00:32:14.280I mean, if you had to play devil's advocate, and you looked at what's happened in Europe over the last 20 years, do you think there's been advantages to the European project?
00:32:24.320I mean, the UK certainly decided no, and decided to go their own way, which I think all things considered was a good idea.
00:32:30.720And then they went and elected a Labour government.
00:34:49.180But now we are at a point where the peoples of Europe are no longer sovereign.
00:34:56.460They are no longer deciding their own political fate.
00:35:00.720And if they try to do so, as we have seen in Romania just recently, they just go ahead and annul an election.
00:35:09.000And to this day, they have not brought up any substantial evidence for their claim that Kalin Ceausescu was apparently allegedly financed somehow by Russia or whatever.
00:35:49.180So, but, you know, the question really is, I mean, I'm speaking about, you know, how democratic principles are being abolished pretty much across the board throughout every single Western democracy.
00:36:08.920And the question, or it begs the question, and especially people that are more left-leaning always ask me this, but why would the sovereign government of a country, let's say Germany, voluntarily relinquish their power to this supranational organization called EU?
00:36:29.800So, the agenda they are trying to implement, all of the policies they're trying to implement, they wouldn't get away with that in a democracy.
00:36:42.060They wouldn't get away with that in terms of if the people saw, wait a minute, that government just is trying to do this, then we will no longer elect them.
00:36:51.180But what if they had a way of blaming someone else for that?
00:36:55.820And that's exactly how this play is working out here.
00:36:58.560Which are you speaking of specifically?
00:36:59.860For example, the climate change policy.
00:37:34.980It's coming from Berlin, from Brussels.
00:37:37.520Right, and when national parties, I've seen this in the Netherlands, when national parties try to move in a direction that the Brussels elite do not approve of, then often environmental groups, the Greens in particular, take them to court and frequently win, right?
00:37:56.680And so, the activist types have got an appeal to a centralized authority that can supersede national sovereignty and that frequently does.
00:38:08.040You know, and I saw the, I think it was Keir Starmer, if I remember correctly, who made some denigrating comments about Westminster not so long ago, it's probably a few years, pointing out that the real seat of power and the real decision-making authority rests with these supranational organizations like the WEF and the EU.
00:38:30.000And so, it also seems to me to be the case that politicians whose ambition knows no bounds have their eye on the ultimate prize.
00:38:40.700And if that means sacrificing local or national interests, then so be it.
00:38:45.980I have a sneaking suspicion, we'll see how this plays out, that that's what's going to happen to Canada, because Carney has turned hard in the direction of Europe.
00:38:54.120Now, you know, he's done that under some provocation from Donald Trump, who I think miscalculated greatly when he agitated for Canada to become the 51st state in the middle of our last election, right?
00:39:07.320And I think he'll regret that, because we'll see.
00:39:10.640Carney seems to have changed his stripes, which is something I don't understand at all.
00:39:14.340But I think if he's still the same man that he was, Trump managed to get a pretty canny enemy instantiated on the northern border.
00:39:25.820And I think Carney is positioning himself as the leader of the opposition.
00:39:30.020He's trying to do that, the leader of the opposition to Trump across the world.
00:39:34.860So, there is this desire, especially by the status types, to serve the highest possible master.
00:39:43.420And that has meant the WEF and the EU.
00:39:49.560You know, in Canada, the Liberals have decided, I think it's 2035, that we'll no longer be able to have internal combustion vehicles in Canada.
00:40:14.380And we are seeing that, like I said, in every single Western democracy.
00:40:18.700And it became abundantly clear during this so-called COVID pandemic, right?
00:40:25.160We've seen erosion of democracy, freedom, democracy, and rule of law across the board in all the Western democracies.
00:40:34.900And the question really is, why did they have to push that in the Western democracies to that extent that they did?
00:40:44.280Well, they didn't need to do that in China.
00:40:47.160China already was a totalitarian regime.
00:40:49.980They didn't need to do that in North Korea, but they had to do it in the Western democracies.
00:40:55.080Because we do have this democracy, we do have freedom, we have constitutions.
00:41:00.200And that had to be, yeah, kind of, how shall I word this, watered down in a sense.
00:41:07.860You know, fundamental rights have now become privileges that the government can grant or withhold, depending on how you behave, right?
00:41:16.320Well, if you lose your natural rights philosophy, right, to meet in the image of God, let's say.
00:41:21.860We are seeing that, like I said, in every single Western democracies.
00:41:25.680In Europe, however, they did face a rather difficult situation in terms of, and you mentioned that already, removing the democratic processes further and further away from the people to get it, you know, so the people no longer know who's even responsible for what decision.
00:41:47.500And most of all, who can they hold accountable for what decision?
00:41:54.140In Europe, however, you know, just looking at this rather small continent, and I mean, you know, the entire world envies us for our small continent with all these different cultures, languages, traditions, history, right?
00:42:14.840Yeah, so, but you would have never been able to convince any single European people to relinquish their sovereignty, their traditions, to invest it in some kind of, let's call it a one world government or whatever you want to call it.
00:42:31.460Would have never happened, would have never been possible.
00:42:34.680But hey, let's tell the people, look, we've been, you know, having wars for centuries, and we need to go get away with that.
00:42:43.580So, we, you know, living peacefully, let's try to move together closer, you know.
00:42:50.000So, how about we have this EU commission installed in Brussels, and, you know, we have a parliament, so it's democracy and all of that.
00:42:59.440And so, people were told this lie that, because we are obviously incapable of living peacefully together, unless we have some kind of a king.
00:45:13.500And, you know, it's a remarkable and destructive thing to see.
00:45:21.560So, there's two things happening, maybe, if you think about this, partly sociologically and partly psychologically.
00:45:29.440It's the pernicious combination of two trends.
00:45:33.000I know that, in principle, the EU was established on the basis of stated respect for the principle of subsidiarity,
00:45:43.000which is a principle I only discovered probably about five years ago that has been the time-tested alternative to tyrant and slaves.
00:45:51.980And the idea is a graduated hierarchy of responsibility from the individual upward with as much power pushed down to the lowest possible level as can be managed.
00:46:05.320So, that the centralized authority has a very delimited scope of responsibility and authority.
00:46:13.460And so, there's way too much power at the top and not nearly enough authority or responsibility at the bottom,
00:46:19.920which is also very convenient for people who don't want to take responsibility.
00:46:24.740And then, as you said, that abstracts the political process so completely that it's hard to keep the elected officials, let's say, responsible for their actions.
00:46:37.260And so, that allows the globalist ideological types to utilize their power mongering at the highest level of enterprise.
00:46:45.400And so, then that brings us to the second issue.
00:46:47.660You know, you have to ask yourself how a policy as reprehensible and vacuous as the climate change narrative,
00:46:58.060you know, which the pathology of which I think was most amply demonstrated by the fact that it was once global warming,
00:47:04.940and then it become climate change overnight, which is really quite something.
00:47:22.260And I think it's the age-old story of the Pharisees is that these meta-narratives, environmentalism in particular,
00:47:31.280but also concern for income distribution, there are ways of allowing people to claim a admirable reputation and morality while doing absolutely nothing except power mongering on the basis of that claim while doing absolutely nothing to deserve it.
00:47:56.060So, you get that combination of centralized control and moral hypocrisy, that's an absolutely deadly combination.
00:48:04.720But they kind of have to do with the moralization, you know.
00:48:08.500So, I mean, how else would they be able to tax people into oblivion?
00:48:14.420And the question really is, how is taxing people into poverty going to save our planet?
00:48:24.100It's hubris to even think that we could save the planet, right?
00:48:28.820Especially, we're doing that in Germany, I'll have you know.
00:48:32.380We shut down all of our nuclear power plants.
00:50:41.520So, we're tearing down our nuclear power plants, highest standard ever.
00:50:45.420And, but we are buying now the nuclear power from France or Poland or, you know, the Eastern European countries because they're building nuclear power plants.
00:50:58.500So, I mean, anyone with two brain cells left intact really has to see how this is the biggest scam ever.
00:51:08.140Well, and what I understand, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that let's, you know, you gave the Greens a certain amount of credit earlier in our discussion.
00:51:20.400But you said that when the movement started that there was some reason to be, to make environmental concerns part of the conversation and that that was reasonable.
00:51:28.860But let's say that the green aim was to produce a decrease, at minimum a decrease in pollution, even if it was, even if there was some additional economic cost associated with that.
00:51:44.940The idea being better to pay in the short term than the long term climate catastrophe.
00:51:52.180And that would be fine if the policies that the green income redistributors, because those seem to go together, if the policies they insisted upon actually produced the outcome they themselves desired.
00:52:06.800But my understanding in Germany is that now electricity there, like it is in the UK, is prohibitively expensive, which is a complete catastrophe with regards to competitiveness.
00:52:18.660And has resulted in, it's part of the cause of the deindustrialization that you described.
00:52:25.900But worse than that, and in particular because Germany shut down its nuclear plants, which were carbon dioxide free, Germany has had to rely on coal burning plants to fill the gap left by the unreliable solar and wind energy.
00:52:44.160And many of the coal burning plants burn lignite, which is the most polluting form of coal.
00:52:51.640It's the cheapest, but also the most polluting.
00:52:54.240And so, Germany now has electricity that's about five times higher than it should be in terms of cost, which is really, really hard on poor people.
00:53:02.400And they pollute more per unit of electricity than they did before.
00:53:07.040So, it's a failure, even by the standards of the people who pushed the legislation to begin with.
00:53:16.860All to bolster the proclamations of the green income redistributors that they're moral agents working in the service of the planet and the poor.
00:53:27.400Which they're clearly, and they're clearly not, in fact, quite the opposite.
00:53:32.120There's been some psychological studies recently on the psychological predictors of support for income redistribution.
00:53:42.420So, George Orwell said decades ago that when he was speaking of middle class socialists, so the virtue signaling types, because he could never understand their motivations, or elite socialists.
00:53:54.460That they didn't like the poor, they just hated the rich.
00:53:58.840Well, so there's been some psychological studies recently.
00:54:01.820I know of three papers that measured people's attitude towards fairness as a motivation, because that's usually the motivation, right, for income redistribution.
00:54:37.720I mean, you know, whenever, especially young people, you know, they, God bless their hearts, they always think, you know, no, the communists or the socialists, they're caring.
00:55:38.020Because if you are trying to establish a totally equal society, where is the ambition that is the actual driver of mankind to better themselves, to have a better life for their children?
00:55:51.460They will be willing to do a lot and work a lot if, in the end, it means I myself will have a better life and I will have a better life or will provide a better life for my children.
00:56:04.320But if that is taken away because you are now being looked upon in like, oh, you've got too much.
00:57:01.120Human beings have been around in the genetic form that we have now for about 350,000 years.
00:57:07.900And nothing really seemed to get going until after the last ice age.
00:57:11.720So you've got to ask yourself what those people were doing.
00:57:15.140Now, there weren't as many of them, and that makes a difference.
00:57:17.340But there are theories that propose that human beings spent much of that 350,000 year period engaged in viciously murderous intertribal warfare and theft from anyone who had anything that everyone didn't have at the same time.
00:57:42.380The thing about, like, if you own something, you produce something, you own it, that means you get to keep it and that other people can't take it.
00:57:50.220So the whole idea of ownership, which is your ability to store what you've produced, is predicated on acceptance of inequality.
00:58:00.540If you own something, I don't get to have it.
00:58:03.100So the whole idea of ownership is acceptance of inequality.
00:58:07.940You know, and it's a weird thing, too, and I've really only figured this out in recent years, is that a certain amount of inequality is the precondition to raise all boats.
00:59:53.480And they're not major anymore though, by the way, because there are so many parties now.
00:59:57.460Well, if you think back in like the 70s, 80s, um, it was either the Christian Democrats were, you know, 50% and then social Democrats weren't and then it flipped.
01:00:35.260So, but it was a psychological threshold that we, you know, went above the 20.
01:00:40.280Then we were polling immediately after the election, because this is just the thing.
01:00:45.180The Christian Democrats, now Friedrich Merz, he's our chancellor.
01:00:49.600Um, the number, the number one issue he ran on during this campaign was, uh, and he said, so, um, I'm going to close the border on day one as chancellor.
01:01:00.760I will close the border on day one if I get elected chancellor.
01:02:02.360And, um, notably so, you also see this, this trend in the Eastern European countries, former Eastern European countries, that were once under Soviet totalitarian rule.
01:02:16.120Their common sense politics, um, is more appealing to these people than in, in Western, Western Germany.
01:02:22.960But the point that, um, we do have, my party has a lot of support in the former, uh, GDR states and Eastern Germany is for a very simple reason.
01:02:34.640Um, these people, they remember, and they see totalitarianism when, when they recognize it when they see it.
01:02:53.560And what is it saying in between the lines.
01:02:55.440And they're, they have very fine mechanisms, um, that they can sense if, uh, something is, is not democratic, like free speech.
01:03:07.200Free speech is being stripped away pretty much everywhere.
01:03:10.460So, they, they see totalitarianism, um, they see it once again being ushered in.
01:03:17.820And that's why they're, they're voting in vast numbers for us.
01:03:20.580So, we are like 38, 39 percent, even 40 percent in the Eastern German, German states.
01:03:28.100And, um, it's really, you know, just looking back, I, I experienced when the wall came down.
01:03:33.320Um, so I probably have to start here saying, um, my family, my, my parents and my siblings, we were the only ones from my family that actually lived in West Germany.
01:03:45.800The rest of my family, aunts, uncles, cousins, grandparents, they all lived in Eastern Germany.
01:03:51.960And the reason being is, um, my dad was arrested in 1950.
01:03:57.420So, my parents, uh, were born and raised, uh, in Erfurt, this is Thuringia, it's Eastern Germany.
01:04:05.900And, uh, my dad was arrested in 1950, um, for alleged, having allegedly, uh, entertained or been, uh, involved in anti-Soviet, anti-Soviet, anti-Soviet spionage.
01:04:18.300So, he was arrested, he was tried, uh, it was all done in Russian, by the way.
01:04:23.840And he was sentenced to 25 years of hard labor to one of the most horrific political prisons you can imagine, Bautzen.
01:04:31.540So, uh, unfortunately, he only had to serve five years of his term.
01:06:26.960And, uh, he negotiated with them, well, look, you know, we help you financially, but, uh, in return, you will have to, um, ease the restrictions on travel between the countries.
01:06:40.380So, and, uh, for the very first time, uh, refuge, or the ones that had fledged the country, they were considered state of the, of GDR, enemy of the state of GDR.
01:06:52.540For the very first time, they were allowed back in the country to visit.
01:06:56.580So, I was six years at the time, but I, I'll, I'll never, never forget that.
01:07:01.480So, we were, I'm tearing up, I'm sorry.
01:07:04.260As we were driving up to the border, I mean, there were cars and cars and cars and cars.
01:07:10.860And we were, we're like standing in four, four cars in a row just trying to get in.
01:07:16.240And, um, but it was like, you never do what happened.
01:07:20.000You never knew what are they going to do to you this time.
01:07:24.060Take your car apart, you know, because they're looking for some magazine or whatever.
01:07:28.300It was like, it was always like, um, Russian roulette pretty much, you know, will you be able to get back out?
01:10:42.360So, once again, they were negotiating and, um, then on, it was September 30th and 89th, the very first train with all of these refugees was transported out of Prague into Western Germany.
01:10:57.680The GDR, however, the government, they made a drastic mistake.
01:11:02.260They insisted that this train would not take a direct route, which would, would have been Austria and then Western Germany.
01:11:10.380They insisted this train has to cross through GDR territory because they wanted to keep their face and wanted to say, look, they didn't flee.
01:11:21.600That was, you know, their rationale behind that.
01:11:24.700Well, that was a big mistake because what it led to, once it was known that this train was traveling through GDR territory,
01:11:33.080the people were just lining up by the thousands along the, the, uh, where the train was going to come through in the hopes of being able to jump on the train, right?
01:11:44.060So, they were completely overwhelmed with keeping all of these people off of the tracks and off of the train stations that it passed through.
01:11:52.660So, they never made that mistake again.
01:11:55.380So, um, a few people actually did manage to jump on that driving train, especially in the stations where it has to slow down, right?
01:12:03.980So, they actually managed to jump, jump on these trains as they were, were going, yeah, to freedom.
01:12:10.360So, um, yeah, but the whole system just, just failed.
01:12:15.660And, um, but I still remember is that, so October 7th, 1989, 1989, there was, um, the 40th anniversary of GDR.
01:12:29.000And, you know, they always celebrated that with, you know, the international elites from the Soviets, uh, the countries and all of that.
01:12:37.540And, um, there, these protests, you know, grew, we're now talking like 10th of thousands of people.
01:12:46.080And, um, they wanted to put a stop to this.
01:12:48.800The government wanted, they didn't want any interruptions during their celebration of their grandiose state, right?
01:12:55.640Um, so, um, they had called in the military, um, to, yeah, pretty much just cut it down, whatever protests there might be, right?
01:13:05.960And, uh, my cousin was, uh, in the military back then.
01:13:10.640He had to because he wanted to go to university and you couldn't go to university unless you had committed yourself, uh, for the military for three years, I think it was.
01:13:21.180So, he was in the military back then and he was called to Leipzig.
01:13:24.780And in Leipzig, there was, like, this big demonstration protest, uh, uh, plant and, uh, that they were ready to go.
01:14:55.220And it was finally done then November 9th.
01:14:58.440The German government representative, GĆ¼nther Scharbowski, um, he gave a press conference.
01:15:03.960And they had decided to probably to calm it all down a bit and people wouldn't protest that much anymore.
01:15:11.720They decided to release the restrictions on traveling.
01:15:15.280So, up until that point, the only ones that could have traveled from Eastern Germany to visit West Germany were pensioners, were people that no longer worked.
01:15:26.380If you were, uh, of working age, you were not allowed to leave the country unless you had a very, very good reason and the government decided if that was a good, good enough reason for you to be allowed.
01:15:37.620They decided to remove these restrictions.
01:15:40.940But, GĆ¼nther Scharbowski, he was somewhat confused and, um, he was just saying, well, we will, uh, issue visas for people wanting to visit, you know, Western Germany.
01:15:55.060And then a journalist, he asked, and he was like, uh, in what time frame are we talking here?
01:17:00.100So, they were pretty much left all of the people at the border stranded with no direction, no orders, no nothing, leaving them out to fend for themselves.
01:17:20.100Well, and all the Eastern Europeans remember that and know that, you know, one of the things that's part of the, I started this, I helped start this organization in the UK called ARC, the Alliance for Responsible Citizenship.
01:17:34.060And, um, we haven't been pilloried too badly with the far-right epithet, partly because we've tried to operate more in the philosophical domain than the political, which seems to be working quite nicely.
01:17:47.080But we're not big fans of net zero idiocy or, um, centralized, essentially fascist collusion between governments, media, um, large corporations, et cetera.
01:17:59.180Um, and we're, we're also, we also believe that the ethos that makes Europe and the West a high trust and therefore a productive society is Judeo-Christian to its core.
01:18:17.060Yeah, you know, um, 100% of Protestant and Catholic-majority countries outside of Africa are productive Western democracies.
01:18:57.800You said that regardless of their original place of origin or orientation, they've melded together.
01:19:05.120I suppose partly under the pressure of having to form coalitions.
01:19:08.520But they, they seem primarily united by their opposition to the German population that you think that's appealing and fundamentally different.
01:19:24.000Let's see if we can tie that in with your concerns about the euro, about the euro, about the EU, about the net zero catastrophe, and about immigration.
01:19:37.800And so what's the AFD's pitch to people?
01:19:40.660And why is it, why is it gathering steam as it moves?
01:19:45.200And I'd also like to talk about the fact that, from what I understand, and I suppose this is a lesser severe, what, analog to the situation that occurred in Romania that you described earlier.
01:20:00.160You're, the AFD is alienated from the possibility of participating in any coalitions, right?
01:20:11.320You're seeing this happen in other places in Europe as well, where the rule is, you know, don't cooperate under any conditions with the so-called fascists.
01:20:21.080Okay, so tell me what the AFD is offering to people and why you think that's become increasingly popular.
01:20:28.020Well, pretty much all we are really saying is let's approach politics, once again, with common sense.
01:21:52.380We're already seeing that because a lot of industry, they are moving out of Germany because they no longer can afford to pay these energy prices, right?
01:22:01.560They're skyrocketing, so, and we were told, by the way, in 1989, that's the first time that the Green Party became part of the coalition in the national parliament, in the national government.
01:22:15.640And we were promised that this whole climate change, no, climate change, energy kind of change is not going to, isn't going to cost us more.
01:22:26.900No, it's going to provide opportunity, right?
01:22:40.940And the most important issue, I think, what we're offering is freedom, democracy, and the rule of law and our constitution, our Grundgesetz.
01:22:53.260This is what we're offering to the people.
01:22:55.700We are offering freedom of speech, true freedom of speech.
01:23:01.160And not like this so-called freedom of speech, as Idi Amin would have once said, this dictator from an African country.
01:23:55.880I think you once said that if you divide the population into so many different individuals, right, and even find more ways to separate them, what will you end up with in the end with the individual?
01:24:22.100But we were willing, the majority was willing to sacrifice the right of an individual to make autonomous decisions over his own body because of this, what, virus that was going around and apparently killing, you know, people left and right.
01:24:43.960I mean, they made it sound like as though if you woke up in the morning, you opened your front door, the first thing you would have had to do is work your way, you know, to all the dead bodies.
01:24:56.940That's what they made it sound like what this, what COVID was going to do.
01:25:01.440But lived reality was not anywhere near to that.
01:25:05.520But once again, they were preying on fear, were putting people into fear, they would put on their masks, stay at home, don't ask any questions.
01:25:16.540And for God's sake, don't let any scientist speak who has unrefutable evidence for alternative methods of dealing with this.
01:25:27.280We see that as another reflection of that emergent totalitarianism.
01:25:30.980So I want to ask you about your international work.
01:25:36.360I mean, I think, and that's particularly relevant given that you're in Canada and doing somewhat of a tour.
01:25:41.900And for everybody watching and listening, we're going to, when we move over to the Daily Wire side, I'm going to focus the conversation on immigration.
01:25:49.040And I'd like to address a question, which is, is it even possible in Germany in particular to take a stance against unrestricted immigration without running into the problematic labeling of far right or fascist?
01:26:04.600And I think that's a more acute problem in Germany than it is anywhere else.
01:26:08.600So I'd like to discuss that with you on the Daily Wire side.
01:26:10.860For now, I think, to close this off, I'd like you to speculate about, I don't know if there is a conservative politician in the EU, in Europe, that has a, that's more widely known internationally than you.
01:26:30.620And I'm curious about, first of all, why you think that is, why you pursue that, because you do, and also what you'd like to say to the conservatives, the more middle-of-the-road conservatives, or the arguably, the self, those who self-proclaim themselves as more middle-of-the-road.
01:26:51.500So I'd like to know what you, what you have to say to them and what warning you might have for them as well.
01:26:59.080So let's start with your, your impact on the international front and why you think that's happened and why you also pursue it.
01:28:39.840I mean, most of my colleagues speak German in the EU parliament or they speak in their native language.
01:28:45.160I choose to hold many of my speeches in English, and I do so for the reason, because I want a lot of people to directly understand what I said.
01:28:59.300Well, that's another problem we have in the EU parliament.
01:29:03.180It's like this Babylonic language confusion is what we're suffering from, actually.
01:29:09.700So I want to directly, I want to be able to speak to as many people as possible.
01:30:03.880So, if they're like that, as far as I'm concerned, why should I, you know, treat them any less, let's say, aggressive?
01:30:13.080So, and then to close, I would say, what do you have to say to the conservatives who insist upon distancing themselves from you on the grounds of your unacceptable far-right views?
01:30:34.200Well, I just wish these idiots, I can't really say it any different, these idiots would realize it's something the left is actually doing to keep them on a leash.
01:30:49.200So, it's actually harming them, they're harming themselves by doing so, because they have to surrender policies that they otherwise might have been advocating for, but now can't, because we're doing the same thing, right?
01:31:06.180So, if we're advocating for a certain issue, they have to stay far away from that as to not be associated anywhere near us or with us, right?
01:31:16.200So, what they're effectively doing is they are, in the attempt to appeal to the left, they're surrendering their ability to actually set policy.
01:31:32.180If they want to do that, that's fine, but like I said, I wish these idiots would wisen up to what the left is doing with them.
01:31:40.180It's that they're putting them on a leash, and they let them, they let them.
01:31:45.080So, tell everyone what you're doing in Canada and how long you're going to be here.
01:31:51.020Christine is in Canada, she's in Toronto right now speaking with me, she's going to Calgary.
01:31:56.120So, what are you doing in Canada, why Canada, and any parting words?
01:32:00.560Well, I mean, I've really grown fond of Canada, and this whole started with a Canadian freedom trucker, the convoy back then.
01:32:10.380And again, I saw this happening, and I was like, gosh, finally someone is doing something.
01:32:17.700It was, you know, then I met a lot of people, they said, you know, you resonated, you know, what we were feeling.
01:32:24.700But I was like, no, it was, if you guys hadn't done that, if you guys had not started the convoy, I would not have had anything to resonate about, right?
01:32:34.780So, it was really, it was a one-way street, it was a two-way street here.
01:32:39.860So, but, yeah, that was just spectacular what they did here.
01:32:44.440And once again, I realized that this is going to be a turning point here.
01:32:48.420It was a turning point in a variety of ways, because it was the first time a Western government froze people's bank accounts.
01:33:54.000And that's why I just love Canada, and that's why I'm glad to be back.
01:33:57.880Even though there are some people that don't like me being back, but I guess Canada is still a free country, and I will come here if I like.
01:34:08.680And I do like Canada, and I will be back.
01:34:11.940Well, I'll be in Germany in the winter, between January and March.
01:34:20.480I have a tour through Europe, 35 cities, I think, and I can go see for myself.
01:34:25.540Again, I've been to Europe a number of times, and I'm hoping to go see for myself exactly the situation.
01:34:32.360So thank you very much for speaking with me today and for delving into these issues and sharing what you know with everybody who's watching and listening.
01:35:27.500On the Daily Wire side, we're going to talk about immigration and cultural differences, because we haven't got ourselves in enough trouble yet.