The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast - JBP Reacts to Court Decision

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00:00:57.420 Dad, nice to see you.

00:01:10.800 Hey Mick, how are you doing?

00:01:13.120 I'm not doing too bad, how are you?

00:01:17.660 Good, actually, all things considered. I'm in Milwaukee, looking forward to the presidential debate tonight. That's fun.

00:01:23.600 You know, I'm perplexed, I would say, about the situation in Canada. I've been thinking about it this morning.

00:01:32.560 As you know, the court that we appealed the College of Psychologists' decision to decided that the college has, it's within the college's purview to stop me from having any political opinions, as far as I can tell.

00:01:51.540 The decision, which I posted on Twitter, and will post in the description of this video, starts out by making a case for the fundamental reality of freedom of speech for Canadians in Canada.

00:02:06.640 And then says, but, and that's always a bad start when you're talking about freedom of speech, but apparently the college has the right to decide that I can be re-educated forcibly with the risk of my license,

00:02:24.220 essentially because I made political statements that the members of the college don't agree with.

00:02:29.900 And those opinions involve two criticisms of Justin Trudeau, one criticism of his chief of staff, one criticism of an Ottawa city councillor,

00:02:45.300 an objection to the trans butchery that's occurring around the world that's absolutely 100% unforgivable in my estimation,

00:02:54.220 and also by UN definition, a crime against humanity, which is exactly what the forced sterilization of minors boils down to.

00:03:03.100 And then my objection on Joe Rogan to the climate apocalyptic fear-mongering that idiot tyrants are foisting on the general population.

00:03:14.240 Now, apparently that makes me unprofessional and a disgrace to the profession, such that I am now going to be required,

00:03:23.220 the college can go ahead with this, to put me into a re-education program with their so-called social media experts,

00:03:31.960 and that's also, by the way, a profession that does not exist, until I learn my lesson, whatever that is,

00:03:38.600 regardless of how much time that takes, by their judgment, or they can take my license away.

00:03:45.140 And so the court says, well, of course you have freedom of speech, Dr. Peterson,

00:03:49.860 but because you're a professional, you're bound by your professional organization.

00:03:54.960 And apparently they're not bound, even though they're a government organization, fundamentally,

00:03:59.080 apparently they're not bound by that fundamental constitutional axiom.

00:04:03.580 And so that shows you, all you Canadians who are listening, and everyone outside of the country who might be the least bit interested in Canada,

00:04:11.320 that shows you exactly what our bloody constitution is worth.

00:04:15.180 And if Canadians are so daft that they don't think that that's a problem, well, they're going to figure it out over the next 15 years,

00:04:22.300 because there's absolutely no excuse for this.

00:04:26.860 So that's what I'm thinking.

00:04:27.900 Now, there's part of me that's thinking, well, look, Peterson, the College of Psychologists is after you.

00:04:36.580 You've taken it to court.

00:04:38.200 Now the judges have decided that you're wrong.

00:04:41.260 Maybe you're wrong.

00:04:42.320 And I think, well, I expressed political sentiment, and I'm actually informed.

00:04:48.380 And so for the life of me, I can't see how I'm wrong.

00:04:53.060 I think I have a responsibility to say what I think, and I think many people agree with that.

00:04:57.580 And I think the fundamental consequence of that around the world has been massively beneficial to people.

00:05:04.340 So I think, I think, number one, what the hell?

00:05:09.300 And number two, bring it on and see what happens, because I will make absolutely every bit of this public in a way that the college and the courts can hardly even imagine.

00:05:21.680 So away we go.

00:05:24.120 So that's how I'm doing.

00:05:26.260 That's how you're doing.

00:05:27.220 Okay, but good.

00:05:29.760 Yeah, but good.

00:05:30.920 You know, I mean, I didn't, look, the court decision was worse than I thought it would be.

00:05:35.720 I was already pessimistic.

00:05:37.260 I figured the court would take the coward's way out and basically upgrade the college for procedural inadequacy.

00:05:46.740 Because one of the things the college did, which is just beyond comprehension as far as I'm concerned,

00:05:51.640 is pursue these complaints that were put forward by people distributed all over the world.

00:06:00.920 Who then claimed in writing falsely to be my clients.

00:06:06.200 When in fact, they were never my clients.

00:06:07.980 And not only were they not my clients, they had nothing to do with anyone who was ever a client of mine.

00:06:13.500 And so I figured at least the court would say, well, you know, of course you have the right to police professionals.

00:06:19.920 Because you're a professional governing body.

00:06:22.380 But they didn't even do that.

00:06:23.620 They just basically said, well, of course you have the right to freedom of speech.

00:06:28.080 Except when it comes to, let's say, political opinions.

00:06:32.660 So, you know, then what right do you have at all?

00:06:35.320 And, you know, it's terrible, Michaela.

00:06:36.820 Because I know perfectly well from talking to many physicians, physicians in particular,

00:06:42.280 but also lawyers and psychologists, that no one in Canada, arguably, and this is also extremely strange, it's surreal.

00:06:50.300 There's no one in Canada except me that's actually in a position to fight this.

00:06:56.400 Because it's hyper expensive.

00:06:59.320 And I don't know if my insurance will cover it.

00:07:01.940 It's hyper expensive.

00:07:03.660 It's stressful.

00:07:06.220 It's complex.

00:07:07.340 It's time consuming.

00:07:08.480 It could involve the suspension of my license.

00:07:15.240 And there's not really anything that can be done to me that's a threat.

00:07:19.740 I'm not serving as a clinician.

00:07:22.840 I don't have a practice anymore because that became impossible, even though I love doing it.

00:07:27.000 And I'm also not very happy about that.

00:07:29.480 So I'm like the person who can do this.

00:07:31.660 Canadians have no idea to what degree professionals in Canada are now required not to say what they think or to lie outright.

00:07:44.420 So, for example, therapists are required by law to lie about, let's say, the gender identity of minors.

00:07:52.780 And so, for me, especially on the therapy side, if you're required by law and by your professional organization to lie cowardly, you're done as a therapist.

00:08:05.640 Because the only thing you've got as a therapist is honesty.

00:08:08.880 That's it.

00:08:09.660 Honesty is what's curative.

00:08:11.000 So, you know, it's just part of how surreal the world is and particularly how surreal Canada is.

00:08:21.800 It's hard to fathom.

00:08:24.760 It is hard to fathom.

00:08:26.340 Can I read just a couple of sentences from the decision so people have an idea of what's in here?

00:08:31.700 It's linked below.

00:08:32.780 People can read the entire thing.

00:08:34.620 But there's parts, like this is how it begins.

00:08:36.720 When individuals join a regulated profession, they do not lose their charter right to freedom of expression.

00:08:43.460 At the same time, however, they take on obligations and must abide by the rules of their regulatory body that may limit their freedom of expression.

00:08:52.060 That's just one sentence after another.

00:08:54.180 That's how it starts.

00:08:55.300 Yeah.

00:08:55.660 Yeah.

00:08:56.000 Perfect.

00:08:56.620 It's a great thing to highlight.

00:08:58.300 You know, it's like, well, you have this fundamental right, but.

00:09:02.720 Well, but what?

00:09:03.460 What rules?

00:09:04.340 There's what?

00:09:04.780 There's a rule, eh?

00:09:05.600 There's a rule.

00:09:06.200 Is that right?

00:09:07.380 That the College of Psychologists has that I can't criticize Justin Trudeau on Twitter.

00:09:12.940 That's a rule, is it?

00:09:14.560 And if someone anywhere in the world complains about the fact that I've criticized Justin Trudeau, let's say, that all of a sudden that's a rule, even though it wasn't a rule.

00:09:24.640 And of course I get to criticize Justin Trudeau, not only because he richly deserves it in every way you can possibly imagine, but because that's actually what freedom of speech means.

00:09:33.840 So I have no idea what the court means by, you know, abiding by the rules.

00:09:38.640 So the rules are whatever the bloody College of Psychologists determines constitutes a rule after the fact, given their complete freedom to make manifest any rules they want.

00:09:55.820 Yeah.

00:09:56.820 It's beyond comprehension.

00:09:58.500 And yes, but I have freedom of speech.

00:10:01.340 It's like, do I now?

00:10:02.600 What do I get to talk about?

00:10:04.000 Apparently, I can't even talk about the weather.

00:10:08.100 You know, here's another fact.

00:10:10.140 This is literally the truth.

00:10:13.760 People can submit a complaint to the College of Psychologists from anywhere in the world.

00:10:17.760 And so someone in the States submitted a complaint about the last conversation I had with Joe Rogan, where I expressed my doubts about the validity of economic predictions based on climate science.

00:10:34.800 The complainant submitted the entire transcript, right?

00:10:40.000 A three-hour conversation as evidence of my unprofessional behavior.

00:10:44.180 And the college, which did not have to pursue that complaint, went forward with it.

00:10:51.460 So like, okay, I talked to Joe for three hours.

00:10:56.220 Apparently, everything I said in that three hours was unprofessional and a disgrace to the profession.

00:11:07.140 So like, well, what am I supposed to do about that?

00:11:11.440 The answer is, well, we're going to appeal the decision.

00:11:13.320 Again, I will take this to the Supreme Court.

00:11:16.080 I don't think that any judges will have either the wisdom or the courage to rule about this properly, except at the Supreme Court level.

00:11:26.200 And I'm not particularly optimistic about that either.

00:11:30.560 I'm not optimistic about that either.

00:11:32.600 I don't see how you can win this without overturning colleges in general.

00:11:39.140 And I don't, like, that's not a good look for the colleges to lose this.

00:11:42.700 So won't the Supreme Court, I know they're not supposed to be pressured, but won't they, what's the benefit for them for ruling in your favor?

00:11:50.060 Well, the benefit would be that they support, well, they would support the most fundamental principle of a free society, right?

00:11:59.660 It's like, why do you have the right to freedom of speech?

00:12:02.600 Well, the answer is, is because there's no difference between free speech and thinking, no difference between free speech and dialogue, and no difference between free speech and problem solving and negotiation.

00:12:15.940 And so, and therefore peace, if you eliminate that, people can no longer think, they can no longer adapt, they can no longer negotiate, they no longer even know how to orient themselves in the world.

00:12:29.580 And so, in principle, the advantage for the Supreme Court is that they rule in favor of the most fundamental principle upon which civil democracy itself is predicated.

00:12:43.720 Now, I don't think we have the right to free speech in Canada.

00:12:46.600 I think this decision today demonstrates that, obviously.

00:12:51.360 I saw the same thing with the law society in Canada, partly was why I'm not surprised at this ruling.

00:12:56.120 I've been through this before, and I see that Canada's walked down that idiot path for at least 30 years.

00:13:03.040 So, our country is in, well, this is where I start to get doubtful.

00:13:07.620 It's like, either I'm wrong, or the country is in trouble.

00:13:13.240 Now, to tell you the truth, I would rather be wrong, but I've thought it through.

00:13:19.360 It's like, okay, what did I do exactly?

00:13:21.980 None of my clients complained.

00:13:23.440 That has nothing to do with this.

00:13:26.120 And I expressed my political opinions, which I have a right to do, which I believe were correct.

00:13:33.920 I think that, and Canadians agree with this now.

00:13:37.300 The last poll indicated that Canadians believe that Justin Trudeau is the worst prime minister we've ever had.

00:13:43.000 Well, that was sort of my point a year ago, you know?

00:13:46.680 And so, if I can't say that, and yet a majority of Canadians believe it to be true, and believe me, a lot more of them are going to believe that, a lot more are going to believe that in the relatively near future, in what sense do I have anything even approximating freedom of speech?

00:14:03.960 And if I can't have that opinion, and therefore, in principle, no one can, then what do we do when we're stuck with a prime minister, let's say, who everyone has decided is the worst prime minister the country's ever had?

00:14:18.220 Well.

00:14:19.700 Move.

00:14:20.920 Run, if you can.

00:14:22.140 Well, this is another reason, you know, why I'm in a position that I can fight this, because the worst thing that could happen is the college can take away my license.

00:14:31.860 Now, I already know that if my license gets taken away, there are other jurisdictions that will grant me a license the next day.

00:14:42.480 And, you know, there's a real comedic element to that, because I could lose my license in Ontario and instantly be licensed in at least three other jurisdictions.

00:14:51.660 And so, that's not going to look very good with regard to the Ontario College of Psychologists.

00:14:57.940 Well, at least they got rid of you.

00:15:00.620 Well, and fair enough.

00:15:01.600 And if that's what they want.

00:15:02.780 I mean, the other problem that the college is going to face is that, and I don't know exactly what they're going to make of this, but all the people who are involved in this prosecution are going to find very soon that this will eat their life.

00:15:17.560 So, you know.

00:15:18.540 From a media perspective.

00:15:19.600 I've offered.

00:15:20.360 Yeah.

00:15:21.000 Well, I've offered to the college to negotiate.

00:15:23.320 I actually have a solution in mind.

00:15:25.900 And I've heard the odd comment indicating that maybe that's a possibility.

00:15:32.160 I reached out a month ago with an idea.

00:15:34.780 They haven't got back to me.

00:15:35.980 I think they're waiting for this decision to tell you the truth.

00:15:38.400 And, of course, they're going to be entirely emboldened by this.

00:15:40.680 I know the solution, which I'm not going to discuss in this podcast.

00:15:45.300 You know, I have to talk to them first.

00:15:46.660 I have a reasonable solution.

00:15:49.840 But, and I also know, or think I know, you know, you might ask, well, why is the college doing this?

00:15:57.200 And my suspicions are, because we've been through this before, you know, when Cambridge University cancelled the seminar I was going to conduct there on Exodus,

00:16:07.800 I found out eventually that it was basically one person who was behind all of that.

00:16:12.740 There were two more that were associated with that person.

00:16:15.320 And I know perfectly well that there's a few progressive psychopaths that are associated with the college who are pushing the college to go after me for whatever the hell their reasons are.

00:16:31.460 You know, maybe they disagree with my political opinions, particularly on the trans front.

00:16:35.420 And that was the tweet, I think, that really probably initiated all this, right?

00:16:40.460 I tweeted about Elliot Page and said that a criminal physician cut off her breasts and that pride was once a sin.

00:16:52.880 And I actually think that tweet's doing pretty damn well now because it's become pretty obvious that there's no shortage of trans surgery butchery being conducted on minors.

00:17:03.400 And I feel that there's, I believe that there's, I believe that is a crime against humanity.

00:17:08.220 And so I'm perfectly happy that I tweeted that particular tweet.

00:17:12.400 And I also think in five years nobody will admit that they were ever in favor of any of this, right?

00:17:18.880 This is far worse than the lobotomies of the 1930s.

00:17:22.140 This is inexcusable.

00:17:23.600 You know, I read one poor kid today on Twitter, detransitioner, was decrying his castration.

00:17:30.800 Fancy that.

00:17:32.280 And pointing out, for example, that, you know, he's a young guy.

00:17:35.280 He has no sexual drive whatsoever.

00:17:37.640 And he said, well, you know, what am I going to do?

00:17:40.600 What have I lost?

00:17:41.280 I can't believe I was so stupid as to have gone through with this.

00:17:43.940 It's like, you know, fair enough, kid.

00:17:46.040 You probably should have woken up.

00:17:47.300 But the people who facilitated that transformation, your therapists and your surgeons, as far as I'm concerned, they should be jailed for the rest of their lives.

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00:19:33.280 What happens to do no harm?

00:19:40.120 Yeah, right.

00:19:41.640 I should also point out, just so everyone is aware of this, surgeons are much more likely to be psychopathic than people in the typical profession.

00:19:52.340 That's a well-documented phenomenon in the psychological literature.

00:19:56.580 Now, it's not only surgeons, obviously.

00:19:58.480 You see that in other professions as well.

00:20:00.680 But if you happen to be sadistic and psychopathic, a profession that allows you to cut people up,

00:20:07.740 that's that, and you think, well, there are no people like that.

00:20:10.840 It's like, well, I think they just arrested some nurse in the UK for killing a bunch of babies in her psychopathic and sadistic manner.

00:20:19.000 And so if you don't think there are people like that, you're naive beyond belief, and you better bloody well pray that you never meet anyone like that,

00:20:25.600 because they're looking for someone just as naive as you to have their way with.

00:20:30.100 There are countries now that have outlawed surgery for minors, transgender surgeries for minors.

00:20:36.520 Like, I believe Sweden has.

00:20:37.500 Yeah, they didn't exactly outlaw it.

00:20:39.740 I got corrected on that claim by community notes on Twitter.

00:20:45.240 Well, what happened was they've restricted surgery to minors to clinical trials, which is, you know, it's a detail.

00:20:58.000 They backtracked.

00:20:59.080 There's no doubt Denmark, France, Sweden, the UK, Holland, the Netherlands, which is particularly relevant because that's where this gender-affirming surgical idiocy first made itself manifest.

00:21:12.700 The Europeans have woken up to the fact that, well, you know what?

00:21:15.800 Turns out that there's no evidence that sterilizing young people and cutting off their breasts makes them happier.

00:21:23.920 Isn't that a shock?

00:21:26.380 Yep.

00:21:26.660 I think this is going to be, yeah, this is an argument that has to be had right now, and it's going to, there's going to be such pushback from people who have gone through these surgeries starting now.

00:21:37.940 It's already happening.

00:21:39.480 Yeah.

00:21:40.280 Yeah.

00:21:41.060 Yeah.

00:21:41.280 You had some more things to read from the decision.

00:21:43.600 Yeah.

00:21:44.040 Well, there are a couple of other, I don't know if they're funny, but there are a couple of other parts just to clarify what's going on.

00:21:51.180 This decision that they've come to order Dr. Peterson, as a registered member of the college, to complete a specified continuing education or remedial program, a scurp regarding professionalism in public statements.

00:22:05.280 The order's not disciplinary, clarifies that here, and does not prevent, that's good, right?

00:22:12.980 It's not a punishment.

00:22:14.100 You just have to pay for things you don't want to do.

00:22:16.680 Right.

00:22:18.000 I have to pay for things I don't want to do.

00:22:20.520 It's also not specified, so that, what's specified is that I have to be retrained.

00:22:25.540 And what's specified in this specification is that I have to be retrained, regardless of how long that takes, until the people who are responsible for the retraining have decided that I've learned my lesson, right?

00:22:41.500 So don't tell me that's specified, and don't bloody well lie, you pikers, and tell me that that's not disciplinary.

00:22:48.280 How pathetic can you get?

00:22:49.800 It's like, if you're going to come after me, why don't you bloody well admit that you're disciplining me, which is absolutely 100% obvious, especially because you're also claiming that I deserve to be disciplined.

00:23:01.240 You know, it's like claiming you're in favor of freedom of speech, and then telling me that, well, except that, you know, you're a professional.

00:23:08.080 And, of course, we wouldn't want professionals to be able to, you know, tell the truth or say what they think, because everyone wants their professionals to lie to them.

00:23:16.920 Because that's how you get the best advice and guidance, obviously.

00:23:22.600 Yeah.

00:23:23.280 Cowards.

00:23:24.520 Yeah.

00:23:25.400 I think what shocks me about this is you are basically being brought to task over the Joe Rogan podcast, one of the Joe Rogan podcasts, which is insane, and over political tweets.

00:23:39.920 Like, it says right here, a tweet on February 19th, in which Dr. Peterson commented that an Ottawa city councillor was an appalling, self-righteous, moralizing thing.

00:23:50.660 An appalling, self-righteous, moralizing thing.

00:23:54.200 Yeah, well, I used thing because I didn't want to get in trouble on the pronoun front.

00:23:58.680 Oh, well, I don't think that panned out well.

00:24:01.180 Well, we'll see.

00:24:03.440 And so far, it's caused a certain amount of trouble.

00:24:05.460 Okay, so there was the Ottawa city councillor.

00:24:07.860 Yeah.

00:24:08.460 What other, what other?

00:24:09.540 So, a tweet on January 2nd, in which Dr. Peterson responded to an individual who expressed concern over overpopulation.

00:24:18.480 That's how it's worded.

00:24:20.460 And your response was, you're free to leave at any point.

00:24:23.080 The person actually said, just so we get this right, that there were too many people on the planet.

00:24:29.860 Now, I'm not very happy with that statement at all, because I listen to people, I listen to what people say.

00:24:37.380 And when people say, well, there should only be 500 million people on the planet, because that's what the planet can sustain,

00:24:43.200 I think, what do you plan to do with the other 7 billion, 500 million?

00:24:48.520 They're inconvenient, are they?

00:24:49.840 And what do you think they should be dispensed with?

00:24:52.480 Just exactly what the hell are you saying?

00:24:55.520 And if you think that there are too many people, well, what makes you so sure that you're not one of them?

00:25:02.200 Especially if you're the one that's concerned about it.

00:25:05.580 You know, if the lifeboat is too crowded to float,

00:25:11.960 maybe the morally appropriate thing to do is jump off, right?

00:25:18.020 To save everybody else.

00:25:20.520 Not to pretend that, well, who is it?

00:25:23.080 Is it the Africans who don't get to have fossil fuels, for example?

00:25:27.360 Is it people all over the world, the poor people who are multiplying so rapidly,

00:25:31.640 they're devouring the planet's resources?

00:25:33.560 Should they all go?

00:25:35.120 You bloody moralizers.

00:25:37.260 There's a genocidal impulse in that.

00:25:39.400 And so, I have absolutely no qualms whatsoever about calling someone out on it,

00:25:46.320 especially when I'm doing it, obviously, ironically.

00:25:50.200 Now, they actually said, the bloody college said,

00:25:53.040 the complaint was I was counseling to suicide.

00:25:55.400 Okay, now, really, who is stupid enough to think that?

00:25:59.480 Well, obviously, the Canadian College of Psychologists and the Canadian courts.

00:26:03.540 Yeah, there's another one that kind of goes along with that,

00:26:08.540 where you're clearly joking, and this is what they say.

00:26:11.960 So, this is from the Joe Rogan podcast.

00:26:14.000 Speaking about air pollution and child deaths, Dr. Peterson said,

00:26:19.480 it's just poor children, and the world has too many people on it anyways,

00:26:24.000 which is clearly sarcasm.

00:26:27.440 That's in there, though.

00:26:31.580 Yeah, yeah, well, that's, that's, and those are the,

00:26:33.720 so, just so everybody's watching and listening knows,

00:26:36.200 so, you know, someone can take out a complaint by going and filling out a form

00:26:40.260 at the Ontario College of Psychologists website.

00:26:42.600 So, if anybody out there is inclined to complain some more, just go ahead and do it.

00:26:46.980 But the college doesn't have to pursue those complaints,

00:26:49.620 because they can define them as vexatious and just troublemaking, right?

00:26:54.900 So, it isn't even only that members of the public,

00:26:58.880 the millions of people that I'm communicating with, let's say,

00:27:02.120 are prone to complain, but that the college itself decided that

00:27:05.300 that was sufficient grounds to threaten my license and to force me into re-education.

00:27:10.780 Of course, they're not doing it for disciplinary reasons.

00:27:13.320 It's like, what the, what the, I don't even understand what that means.

00:27:17.100 If you're not doing it for disciplinary reasons, it's like, why is it forced?

00:27:22.780 And why am I being upbraided?

00:27:25.800 That's like the definition of disciplinary.

00:27:29.360 So, that just shows you how mendacious the decision is.

00:27:34.240 Yeah. Yeah.

00:27:36.560 And then it does go to outline that it's directed,

00:27:41.040 Dr. Peterson, enter a coaching program with either one or two individuals

00:27:45.260 identified by the panel to review, reflect on,

00:27:48.600 and ameliorate his professionalism in public statements.

00:27:52.340 The coaching program was to begin within three months and to be completed within 12.

00:27:57.840 Costs associated with the coaching are borne by you.

00:28:01.440 It also outlines that coaching doesn't end until you've successfully ameliorated

00:28:05.200 your professionalism and learned something.

00:28:07.160 Yeah. And so, and what the hell is that supposed to mean precisely?

00:28:09.520 Honestly, I'd need a whole personality transplant apparently.

00:28:13.660 But there's another problem too there.

00:28:15.780 And here's the problem.

00:28:17.420 I'm not wrong.

00:28:20.160 So, that's a big problem.

00:28:21.620 And I swear I will do this.

00:28:24.940 If I am required to undergo the retraining,

00:28:29.500 I will undergo the retraining.

00:28:31.760 And I will tape it.

00:28:34.560 And I will broadcast it.

00:28:36.260 And then everyone else can decide.

00:28:40.280 Then everyone else can decide for themselves just exactly what the hell's going on

00:28:43.920 and whether or not I've contemplated my words,

00:28:47.500 whether or not I've thought through everything I say carefully,

00:28:50.300 whether or not I have any grounds for my opinions.

00:28:53.480 You know, I don't say things that I haven't thought about and thought about a lot.

00:28:57.900 And so, I agree with Canadians that Justin Trudeau is the worst prime minister

00:29:02.840 that the country has ever had.

00:29:04.600 And I think he's actually far worse than people think.

00:29:07.300 And I think the corruption of the judiciary reflects that.

00:29:10.480 And I think that the college is being overwhelmed by woke cowards.

00:29:14.960 And I think that professionals in Canada no longer have the right to express their thoughts,

00:29:19.260 which makes, which invalidates them as useful professionals.

00:29:22.480 And I think they're pushed into a corner so badly

00:29:25.060 that even the brave professionals I know, and I do know some,

00:29:29.600 are unwilling to fight this, to even make public statements in support of me,

00:29:34.300 because the bloody colleges are so corrupt and have them over a barrel so badly

00:29:39.320 that even the brave people are afraid to say anything.

00:29:42.080 And if you think that is the hallmark of a free country,

00:29:45.620 there is really something wrong with you.

00:29:47.780 You bloody well better wake up.

00:29:49.680 And if you think that if that's happening to professionals,

00:29:52.420 that it's not going to happen to you,

00:29:54.780 well, you are exactly naive enough to deserve exactly what's coming down the pipeline for you.

00:30:03.620 I guess one of the problems I see is,

00:30:06.000 okay, so you're in a good position to fight this,

00:30:08.140 even though it's costing, it is seriously costing an arm and a leg.

00:30:11.740 Um, and it's time consuming and it's stressful,

00:30:15.500 but at least you're not reliant on your clinical practice for a livelihood, right?

00:30:21.600 Yeah.

00:30:22.000 As opposed to other people.

00:30:23.780 What, what's the average Canadian supposed to do when they're living in a,

00:30:28.080 in a society like this?

00:30:29.540 Like, how do you fight?

00:30:30.680 Because in my opinion, I don't know.

00:30:32.920 I honestly don't know if you're, you can win this.

00:30:35.120 I think Canada is crooked and woke very, very deep down.

00:30:41.480 So I don't necessarily see this going in a good direction for your clinical license,

00:30:45.000 at least in Ontario.

00:30:46.540 What are average people supposed to do to try and stop their society

00:30:49.920 from going in this kind of direction?

00:30:51.680 Because it feels like, like, I moved.

00:30:53.380 I just ran away.

00:30:54.620 It was like, goodbye to this country.

00:30:56.680 I'm going to America.

00:30:57.580 It has its problems for sure,

00:30:59.160 but at least there's freedom of speech built in there.

00:31:02.360 Like, what does the average Canadian do to fight back against this?

00:31:04.700 Get involved in the political process at whatever level they can.

00:31:08.140 Get involved in the school boards.

00:31:10.120 Get involved in the political parties.

00:31:12.040 Get involved in local elections.

00:31:14.080 Volunteer for election.

00:31:15.800 Start, start differentiating between the false government,

00:31:19.920 state-funded legacy news and actual news, if you can do that,

00:31:23.600 even though that's become impossible in Canada too,

00:31:25.780 because now Canadians can't get news.

00:31:28.100 It's like, look, here's the rule, Mick.

00:31:30.480 This is the rule.

00:31:31.200 All responsibility on the political front,

00:31:35.220 abdicated by the average citizen,

00:31:37.560 will be taken up by tyrants and used against you.

00:31:41.820 And so, you either take responsibility for this,

00:31:44.720 which means to get involved in the political process,

00:31:47.460 or you suffer the consequences.

00:31:49.640 Now, you know, a young person might be thinking,

00:31:52.220 well, what could I do?

00:31:53.640 And I would say, you know, that's actually not a good attitude,

00:31:56.240 and I mean that practically,

00:31:57.900 because what you will find if you're young,

00:32:00.680 if you go volunteer for a political campaign, let's say,

00:32:03.940 first of all, you're going to learn a lot.

00:32:06.140 You're going to sharpen your political beliefs.

00:32:08.580 You're going to learn how to put an argument forward,

00:32:10.680 and then if you're competent and hardworking,

00:32:12.920 you're going to find that avenues of opportunity open for you

00:32:16.800 on the political front so quickly

00:32:18.940 that you can hardly imagine it.

00:32:21.260 And that's partly because most political organizations

00:32:24.140 are chronically short of help

00:32:27.440 and absolutely chronically short of competent help.

00:32:32.060 And so, if you stepped into the political arena,

00:32:34.160 you'd learn to speak more fluently,

00:32:35.800 you'd learn to put your arguments together,

00:32:37.600 you'd learn to be more responsible,

00:32:39.520 you'd take the responsibility onto yourself

00:32:42.280 and strengthen yourself as a consequence,

00:32:44.500 you'd keep the country on the straight and narrow,

00:32:48.220 and you'd keep it free,

00:32:49.260 and all sorts of opportunities would emerge for you.

00:32:52.660 And so, that's what you do.

00:32:54.580 Now, people don't do that,

00:32:55.880 and it's partly also because they're taught,

00:32:58.340 oh, you know, the whole system is so corrupt

00:33:00.540 that nothing can be done about it.

00:33:01.840 It's like, well, if that's the case,

00:33:04.760 you're in real trouble.

00:33:05.900 And if it's not the case,

00:33:08.100 take advantage of the opportunity.

00:33:10.960 Get out there.

00:33:12.360 Do something about it.

00:33:13.820 You know, you're a citizen.

00:33:14.960 It means you have some responsibility.

00:33:16.580 You're a citizen without responsibility.

00:33:18.520 You're headed for slavery.

00:33:20.020 Simple as that.

00:33:20.960 That's how the world works.

00:33:22.800 If you don't stand up for yourself,

00:33:24.460 obviously, the people who will exploit you

00:33:26.880 will exploit you.

00:33:28.840 Obviously.

00:33:30.220 So, I don't think it is hopeless at all.

00:33:32.540 I think that Canadians,

00:33:34.840 I think that the fundamental bedrock

00:33:37.440 of our institutions

00:33:38.360 is still solidly enough in place,

00:33:40.920 although it is threatened,

00:33:42.400 that we don't have to walk down

00:33:45.340 this increasingly authoritarian route.

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00:34:58.080 there's some

00:34:58.500 positive signs.

00:35:00.440 One of them being,

00:35:01.620 for example,

00:35:02.140 that the bloom

00:35:02.780 is off the Trudeau rose.

00:35:05.180 You know,

00:35:05.900 there's a man

00:35:06.660 who couldn't even tell

00:35:07.380 the truth about his marriage.

00:35:10.040 What's the alternative?

00:35:11.100 You know,

00:35:11.800 you said,

00:35:12.300 for example,

00:35:12.760 you left,

00:35:13.380 well,

00:35:13.520 there were business reasons

00:35:14.380 for that too

00:35:14.960 because it does turn out

00:35:16.020 that the United States

00:35:17.000 is a place much more,

00:35:18.660 it's much more straightforward

00:35:19.820 to do business

00:35:20.600 than the United States.

00:35:21.620 And most people

00:35:22.920 who are watching,

00:35:23.680 listening,

00:35:24.100 will not know

00:35:24.840 that Canadians are now,

00:35:27.680 Canadians now make 60%

00:35:29.240 as much as Americans make.

00:35:31.300 60%.

00:35:31.860 And the gap is growing.

00:35:34.200 And that's a huge difference.

00:35:35.660 We were at parity

00:35:36.480 in the 1970s.

00:35:37.840 It's a catastrophic difference.

00:35:39.220 And Trudeau

00:35:40.080 and his bloody minions,

00:35:41.380 Stephen Guilbeau,

00:35:42.700 prime among them,

00:35:44.220 are doing,

00:35:44.820 he said today,

00:35:45.780 Guilbeau said today

00:35:46.600 that the days of

00:35:47.640 free and plentiful energy

00:35:49.120 are over.

00:35:49.840 Well,

00:35:50.000 there's no difference

00:35:50.680 between energy and wealth.

00:35:51.920 And there's particularly

00:35:53.600 no difference

00:35:54.380 between energy

00:35:55.140 and wealth

00:35:55.660 for poor people.

00:35:57.220 You want to make

00:35:57.760 poor people poor?

00:35:58.700 Make energy expensive.

00:36:00.060 Energy is work.

00:36:01.340 You make work expensive,

00:36:02.620 you demolish the poor,

00:36:04.840 obviously.

00:36:06.420 Well,

00:36:07.440 I object to that.

00:36:08.500 That's why I object

00:36:09.140 to the climate

00:36:09.720 fear-mongering

00:36:10.660 apocalyptic lies

00:36:12.080 because it destroys

00:36:13.280 the poor

00:36:13.880 just so that the people

00:36:15.640 who are screeching

00:36:16.500 about the sky falling

00:36:18.060 can feel momentarily

00:36:19.840 moral about

00:36:20.860 their role

00:36:22.060 as planetary savior.

00:36:24.380 It's like,

00:36:24.700 no,

00:36:24.980 to hell with you.

00:36:26.000 Seriously.

00:36:27.500 You leave the poor alone,

00:36:29.160 you pricks.

00:36:30.480 There's also definitely

00:36:31.820 not one person

00:36:33.300 who's screeching

00:36:33.960 about the sky falling

00:36:35.200 in terms of climate

00:36:36.140 that's having problems

00:36:37.320 affording energy.

00:36:38.700 Not one of those people

00:36:40.200 can't afford heat.

00:36:42.900 Yeah,

00:36:43.140 well,

00:36:43.420 that's exactly right.

00:36:44.800 That's exactly right.

00:36:46.200 It's,

00:36:46.800 the people

00:36:49.100 who are struggling

00:36:49.880 to put food

00:36:51.320 on their table

00:36:52.000 and to keep

00:36:52.900 their air conditioners on,

00:36:54.780 to keep their heaters

00:36:55.460 on in the winter,

00:36:56.880 they're not playing

00:36:58.020 moralistic games

00:36:59.100 on the planetary

00:36:59.860 savior side of things.

00:37:01.420 No,

00:37:01.680 they're just trying

00:37:02.340 to scrabble forward

00:37:04.440 with a certain degree

00:37:05.360 of hope.

00:37:06.620 It's appalling

00:37:07.560 to see the left

00:37:08.340 support this,

00:37:09.080 for example,

00:37:09.600 because in principle,

00:37:10.920 the left

00:37:11.440 is the voice

00:37:12.780 of the underclass,

00:37:14.600 let's say.

00:37:15.420 And it's obvious

00:37:16.980 that the progressives

00:37:18.160 will sacrifice

00:37:19.140 the poor

00:37:19.840 to nature,

00:37:22.280 right?

00:37:22.660 To nature worship,

00:37:23.720 to Gaia,

00:37:24.480 this imaginary

00:37:25.400 catastrophe

00:37:26.400 that justifies

00:37:28.740 degrowth,

00:37:31.120 for example.

00:37:31.920 What the hell

00:37:32.360 do you think

00:37:32.700 degrowth means?

00:37:34.000 If you don't think

00:37:34.520 that means starving

00:37:35.620 poor people,

00:37:36.500 you're an idiot.

00:37:37.480 And you might say,

00:37:38.140 well,

00:37:38.340 there's too many people

00:37:39.320 on the planet

00:37:39.960 anyways.

00:37:41.140 In which case,

00:37:41.860 I would say,

00:37:42.620 then leave.

00:37:44.340 Well,

00:37:45.280 is there anything else

00:37:46.620 you think we should

00:37:47.180 get into details

00:37:47.880 about this?

00:37:48.680 Or does that give people

00:37:49.940 a good idea

00:37:50.440 about what's going on?

00:37:51.540 We can continue

00:37:52.200 updating people,

00:37:53.120 but this is the,

00:37:53.820 this is the big story

00:37:55.300 now.

00:37:56.380 Hopefully,

00:37:56.740 we can get this covered

00:37:57.680 by insurance

00:37:58.760 because oof.

00:38:01.160 Well,

00:38:01.820 insurance for a practitioner

00:38:03.180 is mandatory

00:38:04.080 and insurance

00:38:06.220 for a practitioner

00:38:07.020 is mandatory

00:38:07.900 for these reasons.

00:38:11.000 And so,

00:38:11.840 it would be quite

00:38:12.760 the situation

00:38:13.540 if it turned out

00:38:14.320 that the insurance

00:38:15.200 which I was paying

00:38:16.280 because that was

00:38:18.400 mandatory

00:38:19.060 also fails

00:38:21.080 to cover

00:38:21.800 this sequence

00:38:23.780 of events.

00:38:24.760 So,

00:38:25.420 we'll see about that.

00:38:27.680 but I'll take this,

00:38:29.420 I will take this

00:38:31.580 as far as necessary.

00:38:35.500 So,

00:38:37.500 and like,

00:38:38.140 if I tell you,

00:38:38.900 Mick,

00:38:40.260 I am very much

00:38:42.840 inclined,

00:38:43.420 as you know,

00:38:44.160 to,

00:38:45.060 if I'm accused

00:38:45.900 of doing something,

00:38:46.740 to rake myself

00:38:47.500 over the coals

00:38:48.280 and to try

00:38:49.160 to find out

00:38:49.780 if I did

00:38:50.380 something wrong.

00:38:51.340 And I went

00:38:51.820 through those

00:38:52.380 allegations

00:38:52.920 at Christmas

00:38:53.660 in detail

00:38:54.400 and it was

00:38:54.780 very stressful

00:38:55.580 because I thought,

00:38:56.780 you know,

00:38:57.060 well,

00:38:57.520 maybe there's

00:38:58.620 something here

00:38:59.300 in that I

00:38:59.920 went beyond

00:39:01.340 the bounds

00:39:02.660 of reasonable

00:39:03.280 conduct.

00:39:04.340 And I was

00:39:05.220 very apprehensive.

00:39:06.280 There were 13

00:39:06.960 charges at that point.

00:39:08.060 They've dropped

00:39:08.540 seven.

00:39:09.160 God only knows

00:39:09.840 why they dropped

00:39:10.620 those seven.

00:39:12.320 It's just arbitrary.

00:39:14.360 But I went

00:39:14.860 through all 13

00:39:15.700 in detail.

00:39:16.640 Hundreds of pages

00:39:17.520 of allegations.

00:39:19.360 And when I came

00:39:20.180 out of that,

00:39:20.640 I thought,

00:39:21.800 well,

00:39:22.060 first of all,

00:39:22.520 I thought,

00:39:23.240 how daft can you

00:39:24.300 be to pursue

00:39:25.100 allegations put

00:39:26.060 forward by people

00:39:26.820 who lied about

00:39:27.740 the fact they

00:39:28.340 were clients of

00:39:29.000 mine?

00:39:30.060 You know,

00:39:30.360 those should have

00:39:30.960 been just taken

00:39:31.500 off the table

00:39:32.020 instantly,

00:39:33.000 obviously.

00:39:33.960 You can't start

00:39:34.920 by trusting

00:39:35.680 the word of

00:39:36.780 someone who lies

00:39:37.720 in writing about

00:39:38.560 something fundamental.

00:39:40.180 So that was

00:39:40.820 kind of a relief

00:39:41.500 in some sense,

00:39:42.340 right?

00:39:42.560 Because I thought,

00:39:43.360 well,

00:39:43.480 that sheds a

00:39:44.380 pretty dim light

00:39:45.080 on the procedures

00:39:45.740 of the college.

00:39:46.780 And then I went

00:39:47.380 through each

00:39:48.220 allegation in turn.

00:39:49.860 And I think

00:39:50.500 the most damning,

00:39:51.640 as I said,

00:39:52.200 was the tweet

00:39:52.820 in relationship

00:39:53.620 to Elliot Page.

00:39:54.560 That was certainly

00:39:55.040 the one that caused

00:39:55.620 the most public

00:39:56.240 trouble.

00:39:56.980 It's like,

00:39:57.340 I gotta tell you,

00:39:58.120 kiddo,

00:39:58.520 that's looking

00:39:59.440 pretty good now.

00:40:02.120 So,

00:40:03.440 despite my

00:40:05.620 proclivity to

00:40:06.520 feel guilt,

00:40:07.400 which is quite

00:40:08.160 substantive,

00:40:09.440 and despite my

00:40:10.640 temperamental

00:40:11.760 unwillingness to

00:40:13.040 engage in conflict,

00:40:15.300 I don't see,

00:40:17.280 not only do I

00:40:18.440 not see what I

00:40:19.260 did wrong,

00:40:20.580 I think what

00:40:22.100 I've done on

00:40:23.340 the public

00:40:23.700 communication front

00:40:24.660 is my responsibility

00:40:25.720 as a clinician

00:40:27.440 to tell the truth

00:40:29.580 about what I see,

00:40:31.280 including what's

00:40:31.940 happening on the

00:40:32.580 trans butchery front.

00:40:33.900 and so,

00:40:36.100 so we'll make it

00:40:40.380 public

00:40:40.800 in every

00:40:42.620 possible way

00:40:43.460 and I'll bring

00:40:44.740 to bear

00:40:45.120 every single

00:40:46.160 bit of public

00:40:47.000 pressure I can

00:40:47.720 possibly muster

00:40:48.860 on this

00:40:50.340 particular topic

00:40:51.240 and we will

00:40:52.680 watch over

00:40:53.280 the next

00:40:53.740 three years

00:40:54.720 because that's

00:40:55.800 how long

00:40:56.120 it'll take

00:40:56.560 exactly how

00:40:57.760 this plays out.

00:40:59.880 So,

00:41:00.360 and I've,

00:41:01.140 you know,

00:41:01.360 we've cordoned

00:41:02.040 off our life,

00:41:03.200 I can deal

00:41:03.820 with this

00:41:04.220 without it

00:41:04.660 having interfere

00:41:05.320 with everything

00:41:05.860 else I'm doing,

00:41:07.040 I've talked to

00:41:07.980 Tammy,

00:41:08.500 I've talked to

00:41:09.000 you and Julian,

00:41:10.100 my family's on

00:41:11.080 my side,

00:41:12.060 we're solidly

00:41:12.980 committed to

00:41:13.520 this,

00:41:14.160 I have a good

00:41:14.780 legal team,

00:41:15.740 we have the

00:41:16.260 money necessary

00:41:16.920 to do this

00:41:17.620 and we have

00:41:18.340 the connections.

00:41:18.960 so if the

00:41:20.920 college wants

00:41:21.700 to re-educate

00:41:23.900 me,

00:41:24.940 they're more

00:41:26.540 than welcome

00:41:27.140 to try

00:41:27.880 but if they

00:41:29.760 think they're

00:41:30.220 going to do

00:41:30.600 it in secret,

00:41:31.820 they've got

00:41:32.980 another thing

00:41:33.720 coming.

00:41:37.400 Well,

00:41:38.140 with that,

00:41:39.740 it was nice

00:41:40.200 talking to you.

00:41:41.480 Have fun at

00:41:42.260 the presidential

00:41:42.840 debate tonight,

00:41:43.940 I like your

00:41:44.500 suit.

00:41:45.860 Oh,

00:41:46.240 thank you,

00:41:46.740 isn't it

00:41:47.080 ridiculous?

00:41:48.520 Yeah,

00:41:48.780 it's good,

00:41:49.220 you stand

00:41:49.620 out,

00:41:50.020 I like it,

00:41:51.000 very solid.

00:41:51.460 Yeah,

00:41:51.780 yeah,

00:41:52.220 yeah,

00:41:52.620 well I thought

00:41:53.140 I'd blend in

00:41:53.740 with the crowd

00:41:54.300 tonight,

00:41:54.820 you know.

00:41:55.700 You know,

00:41:56.160 the Americans,

00:41:56.880 they're very

00:41:57.220 theatrical,

00:41:58.040 right,

00:41:58.660 this,

00:41:59.180 everything

00:41:59.520 Americans do

00:42:00.340 is theatrical

00:42:01.020 and so this

00:42:02.500 presidential debate,

00:42:04.140 it's theater

00:42:04.760 of the best

00:42:05.400 sort and I'm

00:42:07.320 down here to

00:42:08.040 have an

00:42:08.680 adventure,

00:42:09.280 you know,

00:42:09.980 and so,

00:42:11.020 and it's what

00:42:12.280 I should be

00:42:12.760 concentrating on

00:42:13.820 and my

00:42:15.520 writing,

00:42:16.180 you know.

00:42:16.520 but

00:42:17.760 in for a

00:42:21.220 penny,

00:42:21.580 in for a

00:42:21.980 pound.

00:42:24.680 That's for

00:42:25.240 sure.

00:42:26.100 Yeah.

00:42:28.440 Okay,

00:42:29.000 kiddo.

00:42:30.380 Bye,

00:42:30.860 I'll talk to

00:42:31.220 you soon.

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The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast - August 24, 2023

JBP Reacts to Court Decision

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