The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast - On Claiming Belief in God： Commentary & Discussion with Dennis Prager

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00:00:57.420 Welcome to Season 2, Episode 16 of the Jordan B. Peterson Podcast.

00:01:03.860 I'm Michaela Peterson, Dr. Peterson's daughter and collaborator.

00:01:07.420 This week's episode is a bit of a continuation of last week's.

00:01:10.580 If you haven't heard last week's episode, I'd recommend listening to that one first and then listening to this one.

00:01:15.820 We've combined a commentary on claiming belief in God, and then a discussion with Dennis Prager, both from the May 2019 Prager U Summit.

00:01:23.820 Dad's a bit upset in this video. It's because of what's been going on with my mom.

00:01:27.700 If you've been listening to this podcast, you know we've been dealing with some really serious health issues.

00:01:31.660 So that's part of the reason for his state of being.

00:01:33.800 That being said, I hope you enjoy it, and leave just a little bit mind blown.

00:01:38.260 I swear I'm always mind blown around Dad.

00:01:40.680 It's warped me into the human I am today. Enjoy.

00:01:43.860 When we return, Dad's conversation with Dennis Prager.

00:01:46.780 Please welcome my father, Dr. Jordan B. Peterson.

00:01:55.500 So, I think I'll tell you what I've learned over the last year.

00:02:05.200 I've traveled to about 160 cities since last January with my wife, Tammy, and spoken to about 300,000 people at live events.

00:02:24.760 And so, the first thing I learned was that, for some reason, I can travel to 160 cities and speak to 300,000 people.

00:02:35.440 And that was a shock in itself, that it's a continual shock, that everywhere we go, there's a massive hunger for whatever it is that I happen to be talking about.

00:02:52.520 And, you know, I think about that constantly when I'm discussing, what I'm discussing with my audiences, trying to understand what it is that's driving this.

00:03:09.940 I do that a variety of ways.

00:03:11.820 You know, one of the things I do is listen for silence.

00:03:14.480 If you have 3,500 people in an auditorium and they all fall dead silent, what that means is that you've touched on something that's of universal importance in that moment anyways.

00:03:32.380 Because it supersedes, the topic supersedes anything else that's being considered, right?

00:03:39.820 It supersedes the desire to shift your position in your chair.

00:03:43.200 It supersedes the desire to whisper to your neighbor.

00:03:47.260 It grips your attention completely and forces a silence.

00:03:51.980 And it's a very interesting thing to listen for that because you see that people are in the grip of something.

00:04:02.780 And then you have to puzzle out what it is that they're in the grip of.

00:04:10.560 I can tell you some about that.

00:04:13.280 You know, there's this idea that became very popular in the 1960s.

00:04:19.980 I just talked to a bishop, Bishop Barron, about a week and a half ago for my YouTube video channel and for my podcast.

00:04:30.560 And I told him that I was a strange psychologist because I never told my audiences that, and I always speak to individuals in the audience, I never tell someone that they're okay the way they are.

00:04:44.840 You know, there's this idea that came up in the 60s that you're okay the way you are.

00:04:49.060 And, well, I don't like that idea very much.

00:04:55.320 And I think it's a very bad idea, especially when you're talking to young people who are lost and nihilistic and depressed and suffering and aimless and ideologically possessed and prematurely cynical.

00:05:10.600 Because they're not okay the way they are.

00:05:13.120 And if you tell them that they are, then they think, well, this is it.

00:05:16.460 That's it.

00:05:16.980 That's life.

00:05:17.600 It's like I've hit the pinnacle at 18.

00:05:20.140 I don't know anything about the world.

00:05:22.020 I haven't contributed anything to it.

00:05:24.480 But there's no up because I'm okay the way they are, the way I am.

00:05:29.200 It's like, you're not okay the way you are, especially if you're 18.

00:05:34.060 You've got 60 years to put yourself together.

00:05:36.720 And you better be better at the end of that than you were at the beginning or something has gone seriously wrong.

00:05:42.700 And so it's not an optimistic thing to tell people that they're okay the way they are.

00:05:47.920 It's a pessimistic thing because what you do is denigrate what they could be for what they are.

00:05:53.140 And I know that is a terrible idea, technically speaking, from a psychological perspective.

00:06:00.360 Because it's who you could be that imbues your life with meaning.

00:06:06.480 It's not the only thing.

00:06:08.000 I mean, you have your friends and your family, but they expect something from you too.

00:06:11.740 You know, they expect the best from you.

00:06:13.780 They expect a certain amount of improvement, especially if you have children.

00:06:18.020 But even if you are a child, you might expect some improvement from your parents as well.

00:06:24.940 But that's what you hope for, is you hope that the person can manifest what's best in them.

00:06:29.540 And if they don't do that, then you're disappointed in them.

00:06:33.640 Just like you would be inexorably or are inexorably disappointed in yourself if you don't manifest what's best in you.

00:06:42.260 And I think that that's very interesting.

00:06:44.800 Moral law, you know.

00:06:49.040 I talk a lot to my audiences about what I believe to be incontrovertible facts.

00:06:57.420 And I think that the fundamental incontrovertible fact is that life is suffering.

00:07:06.440 And I think that that's why that's a primary axiom of religious belief.

00:07:15.600 In some sense, almost regardless of the faith that life is suffering.

00:07:21.360 And everyone knows that.

00:07:24.240 Although they don't necessarily like to admit it or to talk about it.

00:07:27.340 I mean, you don't have to scrape beneath the surface very far in someone's life to find a tragedy lurking.

00:07:34.900 If the person that you're speaking with doesn't have something pretty awful happening to them right at the moment,

00:07:44.120 economically or socially or within their family or physically or mentally,

00:07:47.600 the probability that someone they love has a problem of that sort is extraordinarily high.

00:07:53.940 And if you happen to be among the fortunate minority for whom that isn't true,

00:07:58.580 well, all you have to do is wait.

00:08:00.880 And it will be true soon enough.

00:08:04.520 And sooner than you think.

00:08:06.200 And worse than you imagine.

00:08:08.400 And so, and everyone knows that.

00:08:12.640 And so, it's easy to understand why people become cynical and bitter and hurt and nihilistic.

00:08:23.960 I think there's a progression in life.

00:08:28.420 You know, if you're naive, you think that life will be easy and that people are basically good.

00:08:35.020 And then you have some experiences if you're not sheltered too much.

00:08:39.300 And that gets taken away from you because you betray yourself or other people betray you or you encounter a tragedy.

00:08:47.520 And then your naivety is shattered.

00:08:49.640 And the most likely place that you'll go from there is into something approximating cynicism

00:08:54.560 because you don't know the alternative.

00:08:57.740 And your initial faith, which was not faith, but naivety is shattered by the terrible reality of what you encounter.

00:09:05.980 And then as a cynical person, you're more wise than you are as a naive person.

00:09:12.000 And then that's a strange thing because you're worse in some sense than you were.

00:09:17.220 You know, you're not as optimistic and you're not as filled with hope and your life is more difficult.

00:09:23.340 And you're probably harder on other people and with more of a tendency towards cruelty.

00:09:27.700 And none of that seems positive, but there's a wisdom in cynicism that the naive lack.

00:09:33.680 But the problem is there that cynicism is not a useful antidote to, let's say, tragedy and malevolence

00:09:45.940 because there are places that you go past cynicism as you approach wisdom.

00:09:52.040 And it's wisdom that you need in order to fabricate yourself,

00:09:58.100 this sort of vessel that will keep you afloat during stormy times.

00:10:04.440 And so I talk to my audiences about wisdom.

00:10:14.900 And I think I tell them other things that I believe to be true.

00:10:20.440 It's like, well, life is difficult and it's tainted by malevolence.

00:10:27.860 And it's cast in tragedy.

00:10:31.600 And you need something to offset that because otherwise it embitters you.

00:10:37.600 And if you're embittered, then you become vengeful and cruel, inevitably.

00:10:43.800 And then you make everything that's made you worse, worse in turn.

00:10:49.060 And there's no bottom to that, you know, as anyone who's even a moderate student of history

00:10:55.200 history soon comes to understand, well, there's an idea that hell is a bottomless pit.

00:11:01.500 And the reason for that is that there's no situation that's so terrible

00:11:05.320 that there isn't some damn fool thing that some idiot can do that will make it far worse.

00:11:10.800 And it's reasonably probable that you're that idiot.

00:11:14.480 And so the question is, what might constitute an alternative to that?

00:11:25.220 And if there is an alternative and, you know, I learned a while back, long while back,

00:11:32.140 reading religious mythology mostly, that there is a difference between thinking and paying attention.

00:11:39.560 And of the two, paying attention is much more important.

00:11:42.380 It's not the same thing as thinking.

00:11:44.980 Like, when you pay attention, you're looking for what you don't know.

00:11:48.120 Like, you kind of detach yourself and you watch and you listen and you see if things are the way you think they are.

00:11:54.340 And you hope they are because life is easier if things are the way you think they are.

00:12:00.140 But if you find out that they're not and you're paying attention,

00:12:03.420 then you can weave and you can bob and you can adapt and you can learn.

00:12:07.680 And so you have to learn to pay attention.

00:12:11.180 And I just ask people when I'm speaking to pay attention to what they already know.

00:12:21.080 And here's something that everybody knows.

00:12:23.460 You know, in a world that consists of suffering and malevolence,

00:12:30.840 who is it that you admire or who is it that you don't admire?

00:12:34.960 Those are the same question.

00:12:37.180 If you know who you don't admire, well, then you have a negative model and you can go for the opposite.

00:12:42.460 And if you know who you admire, well, then you can copy that.

00:12:45.280 And the instinct for admiration is an instinct for imitation.

00:12:49.240 And we're very imitative creatures.

00:12:52.000 And our instinct for admiration is the instinct for imitation.

00:12:59.780 And what would you call it?

00:13:01.940 A deeply biologically and metaphysically rooted guideline to the proper path of life.

00:13:08.260 The question is, is there a proper path of life?

00:13:10.840 Well, there are certainly pathways that make things worse.

00:13:16.220 That's something to know.

00:13:18.360 You could avoid those.

00:13:20.520 And if there's something that, if there are pathways that make things worse,

00:13:23.940 then there are the opposite pathways, even though those might not be so clear.

00:13:29.180 I think that's why we're often so enamored of evil characters in fictional representations.

00:13:34.980 It's because it's clearer.

00:13:36.500 It's easier in some sense to make what constitutes the dark path clearer.

00:13:41.360 It's easier for people to understand.

00:13:43.160 Whereas the path that's positive is murkier and more difficult to ascertain.

00:13:48.540 But at the very least, you know it's the opposite of that.

00:13:52.460 So, well, who do you admire?

00:13:54.680 Or we could start by who don't you admire?

00:13:56.620 Well, you don't admire an adult who won't take responsibility for himself or herself, and could.

00:14:05.880 You know, I understand there are people that are so broken and hurt that they need help constantly

00:14:11.980 because they can't take responsibility for themselves.

00:14:14.580 Or they can in small ways, but not completely.

00:14:18.740 But you don't admire someone who won't take responsibility for themselves.

00:14:21.900 In fact, you have a sense of contempt for that.

00:14:23.900 And if you happen to be that person, then you'll wake up in the middle of the night

00:14:27.420 and berate yourself with what's left of your conscience for failing to undertake your moral duty.

00:14:33.620 Your intrinsic moral duty.

00:14:36.060 And you can't escape that.

00:14:38.700 And that's so interesting.

00:14:40.600 No, that you can't escape that.

00:14:42.700 If you were the creature who could invent your own values,

00:14:46.080 as Nietzsche suggested, as an antidote to the death of God,

00:14:49.180 then you'd just forgive your transgressions.

00:14:52.400 And you wouldn't suffer the bitter pangs of conscience.

00:14:55.060 But you do.

00:14:56.480 And the reason you do is because you're doing things that are wrong.

00:15:00.860 And you should stop.

00:15:02.740 And you know it.

00:15:03.640 Maybe you can't.

00:15:06.200 And then, well, let's say then the opposite is that you admire someone

00:15:11.040 who can take responsibility for himself or herself.

00:15:14.240 That's a start.

00:15:14.980 And then maybe you admire someone even more if they've forged their character sufficiently

00:15:21.400 to move past cynicism so that not only they take responsibility for themselves,

00:15:27.000 but they can take responsibility for their family.

00:15:30.360 You know?

00:15:30.660 And they're there for the people who love them when it's necessary.

00:15:37.620 And if you do that, then you have something I wouldn't say necessarily to be proud of,

00:15:43.780 but at least you have one less thing to upbraid yourself with.

00:15:49.180 And that's something.

00:15:51.700 And then you can move past that and you can say,

00:15:55.000 well, maybe if you put yourself together enough, carefully enough, spoke the truth enough,

00:16:03.920 we're courageous enough, in spite of the reasons you have not to be,

00:16:09.560 that you could also be someone of benefit to yourself and your family and your community.

00:16:14.900 And you partake in structuring things in a harmonious manner by living in that way.

00:16:22.080 It's a, it's a, it's not an individual focused ethos.

00:16:30.180 It's an ethos of harmony among levels.

00:16:33.800 You should do what's good for you, but it has to be what's good for your family at the same time.

00:16:38.020 And it has to be what's good for you and your family and your community at the same time.

00:16:41.720 And that works musically, you know, it makes all the levels work in harmony.

00:16:47.000 And, and you can tell when that's happening.

00:16:50.020 And this is another thing that's a great utility to know is that

00:16:53.060 when you're in that place where you're acting in the proper manner

00:16:57.460 and you're facing things courageously and you're speaking the truth,

00:17:02.860 you're imbued with a sense of fundamental meaning.

00:17:08.360 And that meaning is the antidote to the catastrophe of life.

00:17:13.500 And it's the, it's the antidote psychologically because you have to have that meaning

00:17:18.800 because otherwise your life is too dark and too dreadful and it will corrupt you.

00:17:24.600 So it's the antidote psychologically, but it's also the antidote practically

00:17:29.360 because we're not nothing as human beings.

00:17:33.400 You know, they say that we're made in the image of God.

00:17:39.160 And it's hard to say what that means, but it means at least in part to participate

00:17:44.720 in the process of bringing the good into being.

00:17:48.380 And we can all do that and the opposite.

00:17:51.760 And if we accept our responsibility to ourselves and to other people and to our communities

00:17:59.300 and we lift that load up, then we live lives that are meaningful and that stops us from being corrupt.

00:18:07.180 It, it provides us with a medication against catastrophe and it also practically improves the world.

00:18:16.780 That's the other thing.

00:18:17.920 It's not just psychological.

00:18:19.760 It's, you can make things worse.

00:18:22.700 Everyone knows that.

00:18:23.760 And no doubt you have in many ways, but you can make things better and they actually get better.

00:18:30.800 And there's a reason for hope.

00:18:32.820 And there's something to be said to know that you're the sort of creature that can look mortality and catastrophe

00:18:40.980 and malevolence straight in the eye, so to speak, and nonetheless stand up and do what's right.

00:18:48.740 And that all there is in that is good.

00:18:56.500 And that's what I've been telling people.

00:19:00.720 Thank you very much.

00:19:02.520 So everybody, when I never met in person, I never met Jordan Peterson in person.

00:19:21.800 But I said to him when we met right before lunch, something that is said to me by so many people who meet me for the first time,

00:19:30.680 I feel like I know you, and I, that is the highest compliment in effect.

00:19:37.440 I now understand what a compliment that is when I receive it because I never gave it to somebody before you.

00:19:45.240 And I, I have watched you for hours and listened to you and read your book.

00:19:54.000 And in fact, I didn't just read your book.

00:19:56.240 I heard your book from you.

00:19:57.880 So I want to tell you something without embarrassing you, but I think I, I, I like to, you open your heart and your mind.

00:20:09.600 And so do I.

00:20:12.480 When I was very young, I realized that, uh, God or nature had given me, uh, what I have called a goodness detector.

00:20:21.440 And I knew, I always knew when I was in the presence of a good person, because that's all I really care about.

00:20:32.360 I think brains are wildly overrated, wildly.

00:20:38.000 Uh, that's why I think you, you're not bright if you join Mensa.

00:20:42.140 Uh, why you would want to announce to the world, your IQ is so bizarre to me that I, I, I, I, I'm sure there are nice people there, but I, I, I don't understand it.

00:20:54.060 But I always picked up that, and I've, and I've always been right.

00:21:00.640 I, I, it's a, it's a, I'm batting a thousand essentially.

00:21:04.020 And when I heard you read your book, the passion comes from, I just want to help people lead a better life.

00:21:16.740 And it's really, it's, it's, it's quite overwhelming.

00:21:20.900 You, you didn't just read that book.

00:21:22.940 You, you, I won't say you sang it, but I like that you use music.

00:21:29.120 I'm very much into music too.

00:21:31.800 So this is the man that I'm honored to have this dialogue with, because you're, everybody knows you're bright, but I know you're good.

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00:24:38.260 See, I have something to say about that.

00:24:44.700 Good.

00:24:47.000 That's good.

00:24:53.540 See, I don't think it's true.

00:24:56.780 I mean, this is why.

00:24:58.300 I got motivated to do what I've been doing, and I've been doing what I've been doing for, I would say, since about 1979, in one form or another.

00:25:12.120 Because things take a long time to generate.

00:25:15.200 And one of the things I learned in the early 80s was that people have a great capacity for evil.

00:25:21.720 And I didn't really understand that of myself until the early 80s, something like that, after meditating on it for a long time.

00:25:35.880 And so I would say, it's not that I'm, I would never claim to be good.

00:25:44.700 I think it's dangerous.

00:25:47.900 But I did become terrified of how terrible I could be.

00:25:51.720 And, I mean, I became terrified about how terrible human beings could be, and that's one thing.

00:25:58.020 But that's easy.

00:25:59.160 It's easy to confuse that with other human beings.

00:26:02.320 You know, it's a different thing to understand that it's true of yourself.

00:26:07.740 I often recommend to my students that they read history as a perpetrator and not as a victim or a hero.

00:26:13.720 And people very seldom do that, and it's no wonder.

00:26:16.300 But I would say, perhaps, that I became terrified enough from learning what I learned that I tried to avoid the pathways that lead people to the dark places that they go.

00:26:31.820 And there's something in that that might approximate good.

00:26:34.760 Yeah, it does approximate good.

00:26:37.860 I would agree with that.

00:26:40.560 The parallels between us are so eerie to me that in my book on happiness, which came out in 99, I actually have a chapter on the necessity of having a tragic view of life.

00:27:00.060 And then I hear you speak of, like just now, this tragic view of life.

00:27:06.120 And, ironically, if you don't have that, you can't be happy.

00:27:09.440 So, it's just another example of this, that you're getting this message out.

00:27:16.400 If you want to comment on that, please, if not, I'll go on.

00:27:19.880 You are such an, I watch you, and you're such an intense listener.

00:27:23.620 I don't know when you're going to react.

00:27:26.020 So, if you...

00:27:27.920 Well, there's this old idea.

00:27:30.620 You all know this idea.

00:27:32.140 It's an idea that's expressed, for example, in the classic Disney movie, classic Disney movie, which I really like, called Pinocchio.

00:27:44.260 And, you know, when Pinocchio is attempting to free himself from the forces that manipulate him as a puppet and to become an autonomous being,

00:27:54.180 he is required to go to the darkest place to find the worst monster and face that voluntarily.

00:28:04.880 And, in doing so, he rescues his father.

00:28:07.880 And that's a very old idea.

00:28:11.500 I don't know how old it is.

00:28:14.600 It's one of the oldest ideas we have in written form.

00:28:18.540 And there's no doubt that, in its pre-written form, it would be tens of thousands of years older than that.

00:28:24.560 And it's a very strange idea that you have to journey to the darkest abyss to free the spirit of your father.

00:28:34.420 But there's a reason for it, and it has to do with the tragic view of life.

00:28:37.920 Which is that you can't discover what you're capable of being or withstanding, and those are the same things,

00:28:51.760 without, if you hide away from any of the things about life that are terrible but true.

00:28:57.940 And the reason you can't discover who you are without doing that is that only necessity will force that out of you.

00:29:08.500 And I mean that from the perspective of learning.

00:29:13.260 If you go work in a palliative care ward, you'll learn to deal with death.

00:29:18.280 You'll learn the psychological strategies necessary, the steps.

00:29:24.040 You'll become more informed.

00:29:25.420 But it's deeper than that, even.

00:29:27.120 We know now, from a biological perspective, that if you put yourself in new situations, in new and challenging situations,

00:29:34.540 that new genes turn on in your nervous system and code for new proteins that produce new neurological structures.

00:29:42.300 And so you can't even be what you are fully biologically unless you expose yourself to everything that you can expose yourself to as you journey through life.

00:29:51.820 The old idea of a pilgrimage was predicated on that idea, as is walking in Chartres Cathedral.

00:30:06.620 The idea that you walk the labyrinth in Chartres and you come to the center is that you traverse every corner of the world, quarter by quarter.

00:30:18.560 And then you come to the center, and the center is the center of the church, and it's the center of the crucifixion.

00:30:24.900 It's the center of suffering.

00:30:26.180 And you can't get to what that center signifies without having journeyed everywhere.

00:30:38.080 And so the tragic view of life is necessary because it puts you on the journey that reveals to yourself who you could be

00:30:49.820 if you were as courageous as you could be and as truthful as you could be.

00:30:54.300 And that's equivalent to discovering, to revivifying your dead father,

00:30:58.620 because you are an ancient creature in some sense, and perhaps one with a spark of divinity inherent in it.

00:31:09.040 But you will never release that unless you're willing to go everywhere that you have to go,

00:31:15.220 because only necessity will call that out of you.

00:31:18.020 And so you can't be happy.

00:31:23.700 You can't be complete.

00:31:26.840 You can't know what you could withstand.

00:31:29.600 You can't have any proper sense of self-respect unless you know what you can tolerate.

00:31:34.600 And if you avoid everything that you have reason to avoid, but should nonetheless not avoid,

00:31:42.420 you won't know who you are, and then you can't live properly.

00:31:46.520 You have said on a number of occasions, and on every occasion that I have watched you say it,

00:31:56.080 not a single person in the panel, you often talk on panels,

00:32:00.960 not one person has ever actually reacted to it.

00:32:04.800 I totally get it.

00:32:06.820 Nevertheless, it's one of the most important things you regularly say.

00:32:10.920 You live as if there is a God.

00:32:13.240 Is that correct?

00:32:16.280 Well, people ask me if I believe in God.

00:32:19.200 You know, I'm going to release a podcast about that,

00:32:23.720 because I answered that question for about two hours in Australia,

00:32:27.240 because people kept asking me that question, which I really don't like.

00:32:31.460 I don't like that question.

00:32:33.880 And so I sat and thought about it for a good while, and I tried to figure out why.

00:32:37.840 And then I thought, well, you believe.

00:32:43.400 I thought, who would have the audacity to claim that they believed in God?

00:32:55.220 If they examined the way they lived, who would dare say that?

00:33:00.580 But to believe, you think, to believe in a Christian sense, to actually,

00:33:06.420 this is why Nietzsche said there was only ever one Christian, and that was Christ.

00:33:11.600 To have the audacity to claim that means that you live it out fully.

00:33:16.900 And that's an unbearable task, in some sense.

00:33:24.980 I just debated Slavoj Žižek about a week ago, although it wasn't really much of a debate.

00:33:30.520 It was a strange event.

00:33:32.740 But he said something very brilliant to me that justified the entire event,

00:33:36.980 at least from my perspective.

00:33:38.120 He talked about Christ's moment of crisis on the cross when he cried out to God that he had been forsaken.

00:33:47.880 And what Žižek said was that what that meant was that the conditions of human existence are so tragic

00:33:55.800 that even God himself, in human form, lost faith for a moment in the goodness of being.

00:34:04.620 And I thought that was a remarkable observation, because, well, if God himself would lose faith under such conditions,

00:34:13.380 what would you expect from normal human beings confronted with what we're confronted by?

00:34:19.480 And to be able to accept the structure of existence,

00:34:32.680 the suffering that goes along with it, and the disappointment, and the betrayal,

00:34:36.660 and to nonetheless act properly, right?

00:34:39.560 To aim at the good with all your heart, right?

00:34:43.260 To dispense with the malevolence, and your desire for destruction, and revenge, and all of that.

00:34:48.700 And to face things courageously, and to tell the truth.

00:34:52.040 To speak the truth, and to act it out.

00:34:54.300 That's what it means to believe.

00:34:55.820 That's what it means.

00:34:59.160 It doesn't mean to state it.

00:35:02.480 It means to act it out.

00:35:05.500 And unless you act it out, you should be very careful about claiming it.

00:35:10.720 And so I've never been comfortable saying anything other than,

00:35:15.300 I try to act as if God exists.

00:35:17.740 Because God only knows what you'd be if you truly believed.

00:35:21.820 I mean, if you think about it in some sense,

00:35:26.240 that's the central idea in Christianity,

00:35:28.780 is that if you were capable of believing,

00:35:31.560 it would be a transfiguring event.

00:35:34.380 A truly transfiguring event.

00:35:36.400 And I know people experience that to one degree or another.

00:35:39.120 But we have no idea what the limit of that is.

00:35:41.340 And we have no idea what the possibility is within each person

00:35:45.280 if they lived a life that was maximally courageous and maximally truthful.

00:35:51.880 You know, because maybe you're running at 60% or 70% or 20%

00:35:56.140 and at cross purposes to yourself.

00:35:59.420 God only knows what you'd be if you believed.

00:36:02.360 And so, well, I act, I try to act like I believe.

00:36:10.160 But I never claim that I manage it.

00:36:12.880 Because it's too, it's a lot to manage properly.

00:36:18.460 And you have to be careful about claiming to manage things that you can't manage.

00:36:24.200 And so, that's part of the answer to that question.

00:36:27.820 It's a great answer as it happens.

00:36:29.440 I'd like you to react to something that is very operative in my life.

00:36:42.180 I just, and if you, I always tell people on my radio show,

00:36:47.200 totally feel free to say,

00:36:49.760 sorry, I really don't find that tenable.

00:36:53.040 Or whatever you, however you want to react.

00:36:54.680 My route as an adult to God has been completely circuitous.

00:37:02.220 I have come through the back door.

00:37:05.480 As I wrote 25 years ago,

00:37:07.660 How I Found God at Columbia,

00:37:10.260 I realized in the 70s at graduate school at Columbia

00:37:13.560 that I was being taught nonsense.

00:37:15.640 Literally nonsense.

00:37:16.700 Things that made no sense.

00:37:17.880 And it drove me crazy because they were all bright.

00:37:22.000 Bright people taught me nonsense.

00:37:24.680 One day, walking through Columbia,

00:37:27.600 the only time I ever had,

00:37:29.000 I wouldn't say, I never had a theophany,

00:37:30.880 but I did have an epiphany.

00:37:33.080 All of a sudden,

00:37:34.080 one of the verses from my yeshiva education in Brooklyn, New York,

00:37:38.620 the cloistered, orthodox world of my childhood,

00:37:40.920 and I don't use cloistered,

00:37:42.080 and I don't like cloistered,

00:37:43.300 but I'm not using it in a pejorative way.

00:37:44.840 I'm just explaining what I had.

00:37:47.240 And all of a sudden,

00:37:48.380 one of the verses that we said every morning

00:37:50.900 in kindergarten, first grade, and second grade,

00:37:53.660 for the first time since second grade,

00:37:55.500 came to my brain.

00:37:56.340 Rishit Chachma Yirad Adonai.

00:37:58.220 Wisdom begins with fear of the Lord.

00:38:01.620 Changed my life.

00:38:03.360 There's no wisdom at Columbia

00:38:04.740 because there's no God at Columbia.

00:38:07.380 And that has been,

00:38:09.260 that is one of the ways I knew,

00:38:10.980 oh, without God, look what happens.

00:38:13.900 Without God, look what happens morally,

00:38:16.080 intellectually, in terms of wisdom.

00:38:18.360 And I, my biggest reasons for belief in God

00:38:21.760 are watching what happens when people don't.

00:38:25.500 So, I'd love to have your reaction.

00:38:30.260 Is it C.S. Lewis?

00:38:31.900 Was it C.S. Lewis who said that

00:38:33.740 if you cease to believe in God,

00:38:40.600 you'll start to believe in anything?

00:38:42.900 That was the British guy.

00:38:45.100 Chesterton.

00:38:45.580 Yeah, Chesterton.

00:38:46.120 Thank you.

00:38:46.460 Well, that's a good way of looking at it.

00:38:53.120 I mean, if,

00:38:55.280 Catholicism, you know,

00:38:56.980 I've gone through lots of Catholic cathedrals in Europe,

00:39:00.500 and of course,

00:39:01.280 there's stunning creations,

00:39:03.020 but they're Gothic and strange,

00:39:05.500 and the doctrine is eerie

00:39:07.800 and complex

00:39:11.720 and surreal.

00:39:15.600 And the biblical writings are the same.

00:39:20.140 You think of a book like Revelation, for example.

00:39:23.100 But I think that the Catholicism,

00:39:27.140 that's as sane as people can get.

00:39:30.540 You know,

00:39:31.000 broadly speaking,

00:39:32.660 is that

00:39:33.040 we need a metaphysic,

00:39:36.320 a narrative metaphysic,

00:39:37.540 to hold us together.

00:39:39.480 And it has to be

00:39:40.820 predicated on something

00:39:42.600 that's transcendent and absolute.

00:39:45.740 And if you lose that,

00:39:47.440 then you'll fall for something else.

00:39:49.800 You'll fall for something else.

00:39:51.320 Or you'll fall for nothing,

00:39:53.600 which is no better.

00:39:56.740 And I learned that from reading Nietzsche,

00:39:58.800 and I learned that from reading Dostoevsky.

00:40:01.460 And this is the problem with the rationalists,

00:40:03.680 like Sam Harris

00:40:04.760 and the atheists,

00:40:08.040 Dawkins.

00:40:09.300 You know,

00:40:09.520 they believe that

00:40:10.240 if we dispensed with our superstitions,

00:40:13.060 we'd all become

00:40:13.900 Harris and Dawkins.

00:40:18.560 Rational beings,

00:40:20.200 devoted towards the good,

00:40:23.620 however,

00:40:24.160 we conceptualize that

00:40:25.220 for rational reasons.

00:40:26.360 And I don't believe that

00:40:28.100 because I don't believe

00:40:29.120 that we are irrational beings fundamentally.

00:40:31.400 I think we're deeply irrational.

00:40:33.040 It's amazing

00:40:33.520 that we can all sit in this room together

00:40:35.320 without tearing ourselves into shreds.

00:40:37.820 And I mean that.

00:40:39.020 It's really quite a remarkable thing

00:40:41.140 that all of us

00:40:42.320 who've come from all over North America

00:40:45.500 can sit here

00:40:46.640 so peacefully

00:40:47.680 and concentrate on a single thing

00:40:49.840 without any tension or trouble.

00:40:52.660 The improbability of that

00:40:54.480 should not be underestimated.

00:40:56.680 The unlikelihood

00:40:58.260 that that might be the case.

00:40:59.580 And then

00:41:02.020 the issue of God as well

00:41:04.140 is that

00:41:04.560 there has to be something

00:41:05.980 of fundamental worth.

00:41:08.760 There is something

00:41:09.900 that you consider

00:41:10.780 of fundamental worth.

00:41:13.240 You know,

00:41:13.520 I think that

00:41:15.300 regard for other people,

00:41:17.920 for the consciousness

00:41:18.800 of other people,

00:41:19.660 for the conscious being

00:41:20.780 of other people

00:41:21.540 is

00:41:22.480 in that realm.

00:41:27.000 If you're going to

00:41:28.200 have a relationship

00:41:30.220 with yourself,

00:41:30.920 if you're going to be able

00:41:31.680 to love someone else,

00:41:33.020 if you're going to be able

00:41:33.820 to take care of your family

00:41:34.860 and your community,

00:41:35.920 you have to

00:41:37.320 attribute to human beings

00:41:39.400 a value that

00:41:43.140 might as well be described

00:41:46.140 as divine

00:41:46.760 given that it has to be

00:41:48.340 the ultimate value

00:41:49.700 that you hold.

00:41:50.460 And I see,

00:41:53.340 it seems to me

00:41:54.480 that it's not unreasonable

00:41:55.720 to associate that value

00:41:57.460 that is intrinsic

00:41:59.480 in humanity

00:42:00.280 with something

00:42:01.500 that's of metaphysically,

00:42:03.900 that's metaphysically real,

00:42:06.260 that's part of the structure

00:42:07.500 of reality itself.

00:42:10.620 And my sense

00:42:12.500 has been

00:42:13.040 that

00:42:13.900 it's,

00:42:17.040 it makes

00:42:18.160 if you watch

00:42:22.800 how people act

00:42:23.760 when they're acting

00:42:24.500 properly,

00:42:26.320 the hypothesis

00:42:27.320 that there is

00:42:28.640 divinity within us

00:42:31.100 that reflects

00:42:32.220 divinity itself

00:42:34.580 is the only conclusion

00:42:37.280 that makes sense

00:42:38.360 that works.

00:42:40.740 And so I think

00:42:41.740 the evidence,

00:42:42.540 I think the evidence

00:42:43.800 suggests that.

00:42:44.740 you know,

00:42:45.960 you said,

00:42:46.460 you look,

00:42:47.000 look what happens

00:42:47.840 when societies

00:42:48.620 lose their bearings.

00:42:49.900 It's like,

00:42:51.100 yeah,

00:42:51.560 that's what convinced me

00:42:53.360 to the degree

00:42:54.340 that I became

00:42:54.940 a religious person.

00:42:56.400 I didn't,

00:42:57.040 wasn't as if

00:42:57.560 I discovered God,

00:42:58.620 it was more like

00:42:59.220 I discovered Satan,

00:43:00.560 I discovered the devil

00:43:01.600 and certainly believed

00:43:02.720 that very powerfully,

00:43:05.280 metaphysically or not.

00:43:06.580 You don't have to read

00:43:07.360 that much about

00:43:08.080 what happened

00:43:08.600 in Nazi Germany

00:43:09.380 or what happened

00:43:10.140 in the Soviet Union

00:43:11.680 or what happened

00:43:12.360 in Maoist China,

00:43:13.480 what continues to happen

00:43:14.620 in many places

00:43:15.340 around the world

00:43:16.020 to be convinced

00:43:17.200 that there's

00:43:18.000 a great darkness

00:43:19.060 and it seems to me

00:43:21.160 that if there's

00:43:21.700 a great darkness

00:43:22.440 then there has

00:43:23.560 to be a great light

00:43:24.580 and the first part

00:43:27.240 of that is

00:43:27.740 true beyond

00:43:30.340 any hope

00:43:31.520 of refutation

00:43:32.380 and the second

00:43:34.060 seems to be

00:43:34.880 a logical necessity

00:43:36.220 in the light

00:43:36.860 of the first.

00:43:37.520 It's a powerful line

00:43:39.820 that you,

00:43:41.020 I feel so obviously

00:43:42.880 the same.

00:43:44.160 I want to talk to you

00:43:45.040 about the darkness.

00:43:46.700 So I've often said

00:43:48.000 all of my life really

00:43:49.880 that we have

00:43:53.100 a wrong metaphor

00:43:53.900 in calling evil dark

00:43:55.520 because it's actually

00:43:57.360 so bright

00:43:58.340 that people can't

00:44:00.040 stare it in the face.

00:44:01.640 The number of Canadian

00:44:03.500 or American students

00:44:05.480 at the most prestigious

00:44:06.540 universities

00:44:07.380 who could identify

00:44:09.100 Pol Pot

00:44:09.780 or even the

00:44:11.320 Gulag Archipelago

00:44:12.540 let alone

00:44:13.600 the Great Leap Forward

00:44:14.760 in China

00:44:15.400 is so small.

00:44:17.700 The knowledge

00:44:18.500 of evil

00:44:18.980 it is now

00:44:19.900 up to over

00:44:20.640 a quarter

00:44:21.160 of kids

00:44:21.700 never heard of Auschwitz.

00:44:23.240 It'll be a half

00:44:24.080 very soon.

00:44:25.080 It will be

00:44:25.560 three quarters

00:44:26.200 in a generation.

00:44:27.880 They don't know evil.

00:44:29.020 I, at Berkeley

00:44:31.400 I was, had a dialogue

00:44:32.820 with two leftist students.

00:44:34.900 My last question

00:44:36.200 to them was

00:44:37.000 do you believe

00:44:37.680 people are basically

00:44:38.600 good?

00:44:39.500 And they said yes.

00:44:41.160 And I said

00:44:41.860 it's so demonstrably

00:44:44.080 wrong

00:44:44.480 that belief

00:44:45.240 that

00:44:46.340 there's only

00:44:47.140 one possible

00:44:48.120 explanation

00:44:48.860 for why you hold it

00:44:50.080 because you live

00:44:51.300 in such a good country.

00:44:52.480 Yeah, well that's the

00:44:55.060 that's the goodness

00:44:55.920 of naivete

00:44:56.840 right?

00:44:57.500 And it's something

00:44:58.820 that's

00:44:59.840 that's

00:45:00.840 encouraged

00:45:02.220 you know

00:45:03.920 you encourage that

00:45:04.760 by

00:45:05.140 producing safe spaces

00:45:08.640 around people

00:45:09.320 you produce that

00:45:10.160 by sheltering them

00:45:11.080 you want to preserve

00:45:12.460 that childlike

00:45:13.520 innocence

00:45:14.740 but once you're

00:45:15.640 no longer a child

00:45:16.480 it's not childlike

00:45:17.540 it's just childish

00:45:18.680 and

00:45:19.840 and that's

00:45:20.720 that's not good

00:45:21.580 to be a 40 year old child

00:45:22.980 and to think

00:45:24.140 that people are

00:45:24.740 fundamentally good

00:45:25.660 it's

00:45:26.680 it's not that

00:45:27.340 good is very difficult

00:45:29.000 it's by no means

00:45:31.600 the default position

00:45:32.620 what's the default position?

00:45:34.480 Entropy

00:45:34.960 catastrophe

00:45:36.020 tragedy

00:45:37.220 malevolence

00:45:38.260 and death

00:45:39.100 that's the default position

00:45:41.160 the good struggles

00:45:42.540 up against that

00:45:43.580 that's no easy thing

00:45:44.960 to manage

00:45:45.600 to think of that

00:45:46.800 as intrinsic

00:45:47.800 it's an intrinsic possibility

00:45:49.600 but it's not something

00:45:50.860 that you

00:45:51.320 it's not something

00:45:54.640 that

00:45:54.900 it's not something

00:45:59.880 that

00:46:00.120 you can manifest

00:46:01.540 without faith

00:46:02.420 and commitment

00:46:03.020 and

00:46:03.520 and the more faith

00:46:04.800 and the more commitment

00:46:05.540 the better

00:46:06.040 and the deeper

00:46:06.920 the better

00:46:07.420 and it's the most

00:46:08.420 difficult of things

00:46:09.460 to do

00:46:09.960 and

00:46:10.920 and it is

00:46:11.800 it's appalling

00:46:13.700 to teach people

00:46:15.040 the alternative

00:46:16.140 and I know

00:46:16.900 that speak

00:46:17.380 I can speak

00:46:18.380 of this clinically

00:46:19.820 you know

00:46:21.200 the people

00:46:23.020 who are most prone

00:46:23.920 to post-traumatic stress disorder

00:46:26.120 are naive people

00:46:27.280 and this is well known clinically

00:46:29.640 it's

00:46:30.140 there's nothing about this

00:46:31.320 that's

00:46:31.700 that's

00:46:32.700 that's

00:46:33.060 it's questionable

00:46:36.100 or

00:46:37.240 or unorthodox

00:46:38.820 if you believe

00:46:41.780 that people

00:46:42.180 are basically good

00:46:43.080 and that the world

00:46:44.140 rewards

00:46:45.500 goodness

00:46:46.440 with

00:46:46.820 good in return

00:46:48.060 if that's your

00:46:48.740 fundamental belief

00:46:49.700 that there's not really

00:46:51.140 any such thing

00:46:51.840 as evil

00:46:52.300 and you encounter

00:46:54.140 someone malevolent

00:46:55.340 which could be

00:46:56.560 yourself

00:46:57.080 well that's often

00:46:59.620 what happens to people

00:47:00.480 who develop

00:47:01.040 post-traumatic stress disorder

00:47:02.380 you know

00:47:02.680 they're

00:47:02.980 it's very common

00:47:04.360 that people

00:47:05.260 develop PTSD

00:47:07.060 because they've done something

00:47:08.600 so incomprehensibly

00:47:10.760 morally repugnant

00:47:12.180 that

00:47:12.800 it's damaged them

00:47:14.620 psychophysiologically

00:47:16.380 and they cannot recover

00:47:18.040 it's very common

00:47:19.740 among soldiers

00:47:20.480 it's not what they saw

00:47:22.240 although sometimes it is

00:47:23.860 it's what they did

00:47:25.580 they have no framework

00:47:27.860 within which to conceptualize it

00:47:29.720 if you have no

00:47:31.200 theory of evil

00:47:32.440 if you have no theory

00:47:33.440 of good and evil

00:47:34.180 if you have no metaphysics

00:47:35.560 and someone malevolent

00:47:37.260 touches you

00:47:38.000 you're done

00:47:39.340 and so

00:47:41.060 telling people that

00:47:43.460 human beings

00:47:45.020 are basically good

00:47:46.020 and that evil

00:47:46.540 doesn't exist

00:47:47.300 makes them

00:47:48.020 ripe fruit

00:47:50.020 for the picking

00:47:50.800 by the malevolent

00:47:51.920 and there's nothing

00:47:53.900 about that

00:47:54.480 that's positive

00:47:55.360 it's mere

00:47:56.700 cowardice

00:47:58.140 masquerading

00:47:58.920 as virtue

00:47:59.620 it's the devouring

00:48:01.160 mother

00:48:01.600 from the Freudian

00:48:02.880 perspective

00:48:03.480 I'll keep you innocent

00:48:05.000 I'll keep you young

00:48:06.460 and naive

00:48:07.000 and nothing will ever

00:48:08.340 come to harm you

00:48:09.320 it's like precisely

00:48:10.620 the opposite

00:48:11.300 is the case

00:48:12.180 in life

00:48:12.720 that is why

00:48:15.220 by the way

00:48:16.060 I truly

00:48:17.280 yep

00:48:17.900 that is why

00:48:24.800 I truly believe

00:48:26.820 that a 12 year old

00:48:28.480 at a traditional

00:48:29.800 Christian

00:48:30.340 or Jewish school

00:48:31.380 is wiser

00:48:32.860 and more likely

00:48:35.140 to be happy

00:48:35.920 than a secular

00:48:37.060 professor of philosophy

00:48:38.580 who is 50 years old

00:48:40.400 just because

00:48:42.120 I knew

00:48:42.940 I went again

00:48:43.900 to yeshiva

00:48:44.600 so half the day

00:48:46.100 in Hebrew

00:48:46.580 Jewish studies

00:48:47.360 half the day

00:48:47.920 in English

00:48:48.340 secular studies

00:48:49.260 I knew

00:48:50.260 at six

00:48:51.040 people were not

00:48:51.860 basically good

00:48:52.700 because God

00:48:53.400 said so

00:48:53.920 in Genesis

00:48:54.440 when he decided

00:48:55.720 to destroy the world

00:48:56.700 because it turned out

00:48:57.480 rotten

00:48:57.820 so I knew

00:48:59.420 at the earliest

00:49:00.380 possible age

00:49:01.420 people were not

00:49:02.100 basically good

00:49:02.780 and it not only

00:49:03.540 affected my

00:49:04.460 world view

00:49:05.960 it made me happy

00:49:07.220 because then I realized

00:49:08.580 wow

00:49:09.020 I'm meeting

00:49:09.880 good people

00:49:10.800 despite the fact

00:49:12.020 that people

00:49:12.840 are not basically good

00:49:13.880 I really do have

00:49:15.180 good people in my life

00:49:16.280 am I lucky

00:49:16.980 or what

00:49:17.460 yeah

00:49:18.920 yeah

00:49:19.220 well that's

00:49:19.860 a really good

00:49:20.680 that's a really good

00:49:21.640 point

00:49:21.960 because

00:49:22.380 you see

00:49:24.100 when I said

00:49:24.800 that it was a miracle

00:49:25.800 that we can all

00:49:26.460 sit here peacefully

00:49:27.340 like that is how

00:49:28.820 I look at it

00:49:29.580 I think every day

00:49:31.040 when I walk out

00:49:31.960 into the world

00:49:32.500 and it's not

00:49:33.080 rack and runes

00:49:34.660 and flames

00:49:35.360 and floods

00:49:36.060 that it's a bloody miracle

00:49:37.460 I mean it

00:49:39.040 that we hold this together

00:49:40.220 it's not an easy

00:49:41.220 thing to do

00:49:42.020 and peace

00:49:43.000 to think of peace

00:49:44.220 as the default position

00:49:45.520 is a form of

00:49:46.960 deep insanity

00:49:47.920 like

00:49:48.880 it's

00:49:49.600 it requires

00:49:51.040 work

00:49:51.860 to

00:49:52.380 to

00:49:52.960 to maintain

00:49:54.060 peace

00:49:54.720 and

00:49:55.640 you can't be

00:49:56.520 properly grateful

00:49:57.460 unless you

00:49:58.640 understand

00:49:59.240 how unlikely

00:50:01.100 it is

00:50:01.760 that

00:50:02.300 while we're not

00:50:04.100 in the throes

00:50:04.860 of world war three

00:50:05.840 we're not

00:50:07.040 still in the depths

00:50:08.200 of world war two

00:50:09.120 that the cold war

00:50:10.980 is mostly over

00:50:12.260 that the economic

00:50:13.840 conditions of people

00:50:15.000 everywhere on the planet

00:50:16.540 are improving

00:50:17.180 at a rate

00:50:17.740 that's

00:50:18.160 could only be

00:50:19.380 described as

00:50:20.020 miraculous

00:50:20.500 and that most things

00:50:22.220 are going in a

00:50:22.920 positive direction

00:50:23.840 if you assume

00:50:25.200 that that's

00:50:25.760 normative

00:50:26.260 then you think

00:50:27.280 well that's

00:50:28.120 life

00:50:28.540 but

00:50:28.920 and you have

00:50:30.100 no reason

00:50:30.580 to

00:50:30.840 to be

00:50:31.720 wide eyed

00:50:32.940 to have your

00:50:35.380 eyes

00:50:35.700 wide open

00:50:36.760 in admiration

00:50:37.600 and gratitude

00:50:38.380 at the fact

00:50:39.140 that

00:50:39.400 the worst

00:50:41.460 which is

00:50:41.900 frequently

00:50:42.380 manifested

00:50:43.100 itself

00:50:43.640 is not

00:50:44.860 knocking

00:50:46.180 at your

00:50:46.800 door

00:50:47.140 at this

00:50:47.820 moment

00:50:48.340 because

00:50:49.360 that's

00:50:50.060 the story

00:50:50.660 of humanity

00:50:51.380 and not

00:50:52.400 peace

00:50:52.920 and prosperity

00:50:53.700 so here

00:50:55.480 we have it

00:50:56.180 and here

00:50:56.880 we should

00:50:57.260 preserve it

00:50:57.960 and here

00:50:58.560 we should

00:50:58.940 spread it

00:50:59.720 we should

00:51:00.460 do everything

00:51:00.980 we can

00:51:01.480 to live

00:51:02.100 in a manner

00:51:02.880 that makes

00:51:03.420 that most

00:51:04.240 likely

00:51:04.720 and we

00:51:05.260 should do

00:51:05.640 that

00:51:06.020 because

00:51:07.140 well you

00:51:07.960 said

00:51:08.500 what did

00:51:09.000 you say

00:51:09.420 fear of

00:51:10.020 God

00:51:10.440 it's like

00:51:11.080 throughout

00:51:13.160 the old

00:51:13.600 testament

00:51:14.020 you know

00:51:14.460 it's one

00:51:15.020 story after

00:51:15.700 another

00:51:16.040 is that

00:51:16.540 people

00:51:16.980 develop societies

00:51:18.660 and they

00:51:19.040 become arrogant

00:51:19.720 and they

00:51:20.120 wander off

00:51:20.620 the path

00:51:21.120 and as

00:51:22.140 soon as

00:51:22.420 they wander

00:51:22.820 off the

00:51:23.200 path

00:51:23.520 all hell

00:51:24.240 breaks

00:51:24.680 loose

00:51:25.060 and

00:51:26.200 if

00:51:27.720 you're

00:51:28.300 fortunate

00:51:28.700 enough

00:51:29.220 to be

00:51:29.900 where all

00:51:30.540 hell

00:51:30.820 isn't

00:51:31.340 breaking

00:51:31.740 loose

00:51:32.200 you should

00:51:32.880 do

00:51:33.080 everything

00:51:33.500 you can

00:51:34.160 to help

00:51:35.200 ensure

00:51:35.660 that

00:51:36.020 we

00:51:37.100 stay the

00:51:38.080 course

00:51:38.420 and walk

00:51:39.200 the straight

00:51:39.780 and narrow

00:51:40.240 path

00:51:40.780 so

00:51:42.440 I have

00:51:43.260 a

00:51:43.480 so

00:51:50.160 I

00:51:50.620 have

00:51:50.800 a

00:51:50.920 very

00:51:51.140 deep

00:51:51.480 worry

00:51:51.860 in light

00:51:52.400 of

00:51:52.600 our

00:51:53.000 absolute

00:51:53.720 unanimity

00:51:56.660 if you could

00:51:57.180 speak of

00:51:57.600 unanimity

00:51:58.180 among two

00:51:58.700 people

00:51:59.100 but

00:51:59.600 we're so

00:52:01.220 consonant

00:52:01.720 in this

00:52:02.340 this is

00:52:03.500 shocking

00:52:03.900 how good

00:52:04.420 things

00:52:04.840 are

00:52:05.320 and yet

00:52:07.340 in the

00:52:07.960 United

00:52:08.260 States

00:52:08.840 and I

00:52:09.780 follow

00:52:10.280 Canada

00:52:10.740 a lot

00:52:11.240 but

00:52:11.860 let's

00:52:12.100 speak

00:52:12.400 about

00:52:12.640 America

00:52:13.080 right

00:52:13.400 now

00:52:13.760 in the

00:52:15.100 United

00:52:15.400 States

00:52:16.020 half

00:52:16.720 at least

00:52:17.380 half

00:52:17.800 of young

00:52:18.440 people

00:52:18.900 think

00:52:19.240 they are

00:52:19.560 living

00:52:19.800 in a

00:52:20.100 rotten

00:52:20.320 society

00:52:21.120 sexist

00:52:23.300 intolerant

00:52:23.900 xenophobic

00:52:24.480 homophobic

00:52:25.060 Islamophobic

00:52:25.820 racist

00:52:26.260 bigoted

00:52:26.740 that's

00:52:28.060 a six

00:52:28.460 herb

00:52:28.700 that's

00:52:28.980 my

00:52:29.180 acronym

00:52:29.580 for what

00:52:30.200 I just

00:52:30.580 said

00:52:30.920 this

00:52:32.680 is

00:52:33.300 frightening

00:52:33.880 to me

00:52:34.480 and

00:52:36.380 I

00:52:36.700 want to

00:52:37.160 know

00:52:37.460 is it

00:52:38.000 frightening

00:52:38.420 to you

00:52:39.060 well

00:52:43.060 you know

00:52:46.180 I always

00:52:46.520 try to

00:52:46.860 give the

00:52:47.180 devil

00:52:47.460 his due

00:52:48.060 and

00:52:50.040 the

00:52:50.380 idea

00:52:51.920 that

00:52:53.320 the

00:52:54.780 West

00:52:55.160 is a

00:52:55.840 oppressive

00:52:57.220 patriarchy

00:52:58.060 characterized

00:53:00.800 by the

00:53:01.720 sins

00:53:02.500 that you

00:53:02.920 just

00:53:03.200 described

00:53:03.820 is true

00:53:06.360 you

00:53:08.860 know

00:53:08.960 there's

00:53:09.320 if we

00:53:10.380 look

00:53:10.580 through

00:53:10.760 our

00:53:10.940 history

00:53:11.420 personal

00:53:12.360 or

00:53:12.740 political

00:53:13.620 there's

00:53:15.140 no

00:53:15.300 shortage

00:53:15.680 of

00:53:15.920 things

00:53:16.160 to be

00:53:16.460 appalled

00:53:16.800 by

00:53:17.160 but that's

00:53:19.620 not the

00:53:19.940 question

00:53:20.420 exactly

00:53:22.680 or that's

00:53:23.160 not the

00:53:23.480 issue

00:53:23.860 the issue

00:53:26.040 is compared

00:53:26.640 to what

00:53:27.200 no

00:53:29.280 it was

00:53:29.620 Churchill

00:53:30.120 this time

00:53:31.320 I've got

00:53:31.700 this right

00:53:32.260 it was

00:53:33.800 Churchill

00:53:34.140 who said

00:53:34.940 that democracy

00:53:35.600 is the worst

00:53:36.280 form of

00:53:36.720 government

00:53:37.100 except for

00:53:38.220 all the

00:53:38.500 other forms

00:53:39.040 of government

00:53:39.580 and I

00:53:41.240 would say

00:53:41.600 that about

00:53:42.040 our societies

00:53:42.780 is that

00:53:43.340 there's

00:53:45.360 no

00:53:45.620 we have

00:53:47.120 every reason

00:53:47.700 to be

00:53:48.040 awake

00:53:48.540 and

00:53:50.200 cognizant

00:53:50.900 of

00:53:51.300 our

00:53:52.240 errors

00:53:52.720 whether

00:53:55.900 they're

00:53:56.160 political

00:53:56.500 or economic

00:53:57.160 or personal

00:53:57.780 but

00:53:59.980 compared

00:54:02.500 to how

00:54:02.860 it could

00:54:03.240 be

00:54:03.620 and how

00:54:05.140 it has

00:54:05.520 been

00:54:05.860 in many

00:54:07.160 places

00:54:07.620 and how

00:54:08.060 it is

00:54:08.580 most

00:54:09.920 everywhere

00:54:10.940 in the

00:54:11.300 world

00:54:11.560 and how

00:54:12.200 it was

00:54:13.080 for much

00:54:13.920 of the

00:54:14.220 20th

00:54:14.620 century

00:54:14.980 things are

00:54:15.980 so good

00:54:16.420 here that

00:54:16.820 it's

00:54:17.020 absolutely

00:54:17.480 beyond

00:54:18.020 comprehension

00:54:18.640 and

00:54:19.960 so along

00:54:20.960 with that

00:54:21.500 careful

00:54:23.920 awareness

00:54:24.420 of the

00:54:25.020 flaws

00:54:25.480 of the

00:54:26.060 patriarchy

00:54:27.000 let's

00:54:27.700 say

00:54:27.940 should be

00:54:28.940 an

00:54:29.460 unbelievable

00:54:30.120 gratitude

00:54:30.760 that we

00:54:31.640 could wake

00:54:32.020 up in

00:54:32.480 the morning

00:54:32.840 and

00:54:33.080 the lights

00:54:34.460 are on

00:54:34.940 and the

00:54:36.640 freeways

00:54:37.640 are running

00:54:38.100 and there's

00:54:39.200 no starvation

00:54:40.080 directly

00:54:42.060 facing us

00:54:42.820 and

00:54:43.000 that our

00:54:44.400 children

00:54:44.760 will live

00:54:45.400 and that

00:54:46.640 the probability

00:54:47.340 that any

00:54:48.100 one of us

00:54:48.540 will die

00:54:49.200 a violent

00:54:49.680 death

00:54:50.020 is negligible

00:54:50.900 and

00:54:52.200 the thing

00:54:53.320 that bothers

00:54:53.780 me

00:54:54.180 about

00:54:55.480 one of the

00:54:56.320 things that

00:54:56.780 bothers me

00:54:57.280 about

00:54:57.560 the modern

00:54:58.340 university

00:55:00.480 is the

00:55:02.500 absolute

00:55:03.220 lack of

00:55:03.940 gratitude

00:55:04.380 that

00:55:04.800 characterizes

00:55:05.520 its

00:55:05.820 teachings

00:55:06.280 it's like

00:55:06.940 it's half

00:55:08.920 the story

00:55:09.640 you know

00:55:10.060 it's like

00:55:10.440 people are

00:55:11.260 oppressed

00:55:11.760 by nature

00:55:13.080 and people

00:55:14.800 are oppressed

00:55:15.360 by culture

00:55:16.160 and people

00:55:16.740 are oppressed

00:55:17.320 by their

00:55:17.720 own dark

00:55:18.400 side

00:55:20.320 it's an

00:55:21.280 existential

00:55:21.900 reality

00:55:22.560 but you

00:55:23.480 have to

00:55:23.940 you have

00:55:24.820 to balance

00:55:25.440 that

00:55:25.860 you have

00:55:26.240 to understand

00:55:26.860 that nature

00:55:27.940 has its benevolent

00:55:29.020 element

00:55:29.380 and that's

00:55:30.080 what's given

00:55:30.540 you life

00:55:31.040 and you have

00:55:31.500 to be grateful

00:55:32.120 for your culture

00:55:32.940 for everything

00:55:33.600 that is provided

00:55:34.400 to you

00:55:34.800 and you have

00:55:35.620 to understand

00:55:36.240 that people

00:55:36.720 can be good

00:55:37.360 as well as

00:55:38.200 adversarial

00:55:39.660 and malevolent

00:55:40.560 and you have

00:55:41.220 to be grateful

00:55:41.780 for that

00:55:42.260 and there's

00:55:42.620 damn

00:55:43.080 there's a

00:55:44.960 there's

00:55:45.800 there's a

00:55:46.560 there's a

00:55:47.960 damnable shortage

00:55:49.000 of gratitude

00:55:49.720 in the modern

00:55:52.040 academy

00:55:52.540 and that's

00:55:53.340 based on

00:55:53.900 a naivety

00:55:55.340 or a resentment

00:55:56.460 that's so deep

00:55:57.500 that it's almost

00:55:58.140 incomprehensible

00:55:58.780 a naivety

00:55:59.960 and a resentment

00:56:00.820 and a willful

00:56:02.160 blindness

00:56:02.660 to the reality

00:56:03.440 of history

00:56:03.960 that's so deep

00:56:04.880 that it's almost

00:56:05.640 incomprehensible

00:56:06.660 so

00:56:08.080 if

00:56:09.560 I'm going to ask you

00:56:10.440 it may be

00:56:11.600 you may

00:56:12.580 it may strike

00:56:13.320 you as absurd

00:56:13.880 but I'm going to

00:56:14.440 ask it anyway

00:56:15.140 except for

00:56:18.120 technical knowledge

00:56:19.640 like medicine

00:56:20.380 or engineering

00:56:21.440 mathematics

00:56:23.020 obviously

00:56:24.380 any of the

00:56:24.960 natural sciences

00:56:25.820 law

00:56:26.560 if nobody

00:56:28.700 went

00:56:29.120 if all

00:56:30.000 North Americans

00:56:31.000 graduating high school

00:56:33.020 decided

00:56:33.720 I'm not going

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00:58:06.860 yeah taking

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00:58:09.300 i think that

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00:58:42.160 toxic

00:58:42.680 that i think

00:58:45.340 that

00:58:46.720 academia now

00:58:49.580 does more

00:58:50.140 harm than

00:58:50.640 good

00:58:50.920 and it's not

00:58:53.620 only what it

00:58:54.180 teaches which is

00:58:55.320 the ideology

00:58:55.960 this ungrateful

00:58:57.320 ideology which

00:58:58.760 denies the

00:58:59.700 existence of the

00:59:00.560 individual

00:59:01.000 one of the

00:59:03.440 things i might

00:59:03.940 tell you just

00:59:04.720 so you know

00:59:05.280 this is that

00:59:06.060 you know that

00:59:08.140 you hear that

00:59:09.640 there are debates

00:59:10.220 about free

00:59:11.140 speech on

00:59:11.660 campus

00:59:12.100 about who

00:59:13.880 should talk

00:59:14.380 and who

00:59:14.640 shouldn't

00:59:15.120 and people

00:59:15.640 think that's

00:59:16.120 what the

00:59:16.360 debate is

00:59:16.780 about

00:59:17.040 about who

00:59:18.160 should talk

00:59:18.760 and who

00:59:19.340 shouldn't

00:59:19.760 but that's

00:59:20.600 not what

00:59:20.900 the debate

00:59:21.260 is about

00:59:21.960 that you're

00:59:23.320 not even

00:59:23.580 scraping the

00:59:24.160 surface of

00:59:24.640 the debate

00:59:25.060 if that's

00:59:25.460 what you

00:59:25.700 think it's

00:59:26.060 about

00:59:26.300 the debate

00:59:28.640 on campus

00:59:29.200 is about

00:59:29.640 whether or

00:59:30.340 not a

00:59:31.100 human being

00:59:31.760 has the

00:59:32.400 capacity

00:59:33.020 to communicate

00:59:34.320 intelligibly

00:59:35.720 as an

00:59:36.220 individual

00:59:36.680 or not

00:59:37.520 and the

00:59:38.940 answer

00:59:39.340 for the

00:59:40.380 post-modernist

00:59:41.180 collective types

00:59:42.040 is that

00:59:42.440 there is

00:59:43.280 no such

00:59:44.020 thing

00:59:44.520 as an

00:59:45.060 individual

00:59:45.560 and therefore

00:59:47.320 the very

00:59:47.760 notion

00:59:48.320 of free

00:59:48.920 speech

00:59:49.260 is absurd

00:59:49.960 because free

00:59:51.240 speech is

00:59:51.840 predicated on

00:59:52.540 the idea

00:59:52.980 that each

00:59:53.460 of us

00:59:53.760 have something

00:59:54.440 to say

00:59:55.000 that's

00:59:55.380 ours

00:59:55.880 that's

00:59:56.520 a consequence

00:59:57.060 of our

00:59:57.500 unique

00:59:57.900 individuality

00:59:58.800 not our

00:59:59.420 group

00:59:59.720 identity

01:00:00.220 or

01:00:00.620 the

01:00:01.100 multiplicity

01:00:01.760 of our

01:00:02.020 group

01:00:02.220 identities

01:00:02.660 but

01:00:02.980 something

01:00:03.660 that

01:00:03.980 we have

01:00:06.820 that speaks

01:00:07.380 from our

01:00:07.860 spirit

01:00:08.460 that can

01:00:09.400 speak to

01:00:09.920 the spirit

01:00:10.380 of another

01:00:10.920 and produce

01:00:11.980 a negotiated

01:00:13.060 peace

01:00:14.340 and that's

01:00:16.240 what's

01:00:16.720 being debated

01:00:18.020 that the

01:00:19.900 war that's

01:00:20.620 going on

01:00:21.280 philosophically

01:00:22.340 or theologically

01:00:23.580 in the campuses

01:00:24.460 is far deeper

01:00:25.460 than you think

01:00:26.500 the entire

01:00:28.320 notion of

01:00:29.220 the reality

01:00:31.280 of the

01:00:31.940 individual

01:00:32.440 which is I

01:00:33.300 think also

01:00:33.880 the entire

01:00:34.580 notion of

01:00:35.280 the idea

01:00:36.580 that human

01:00:37.680 beings are

01:00:38.200 made in the

01:00:38.660 image of

01:00:39.040 God most

01:00:39.680 fundamentally

01:00:40.260 that is

01:00:41.900 what's being

01:00:42.520 attacked

01:00:43.180 it wasn't

01:00:43.800 for nothing

01:00:44.620 that

01:00:44.940 Derrida

01:00:45.560 called

01:00:47.360 western

01:00:48.080 culture

01:00:48.560 phallogocentric

01:00:50.320 phallus

01:00:51.260 for masculine

01:00:52.300 logos

01:00:52.860 for logos

01:00:53.840 for truth

01:00:55.140 and courage

01:00:55.820 and centric

01:00:56.680 for centric

01:00:57.500 that was a

01:00:58.280 criticism

01:00:58.740 from his

01:00:59.360 perspective

01:00:59.980 the idea

01:01:01.560 of the

01:01:01.940 sovereignty

01:01:02.340 of the

01:01:02.760 individual

01:01:03.300 if you

01:01:04.220 don't have

01:01:04.740 the idea

01:01:05.160 of the

01:01:05.460 sovereignty

01:01:05.780 of the

01:01:06.120 individual

01:01:06.540 because

01:01:06.800 there's

01:01:07.000 no

01:01:07.140 individual

01:01:07.600 there's

01:01:07.980 no

01:01:08.140 free

01:01:08.440 speech

01:01:08.980 all you

01:01:10.200 are

01:01:10.420 is an

01:01:10.700 avatar

01:01:11.040 of your

01:01:11.640 group

01:01:11.920 interests

01:01:12.500 and if

01:01:13.480 I'm not

01:01:14.240 in your

01:01:14.680 group

01:01:14.980 it's not

01:01:15.540 in my

01:01:15.920 interest

01:01:16.280 to let

01:01:16.740 you

01:01:16.980 speak

01:01:17.440 there's

01:01:18.680 nothing

01:01:19.040 that we

01:01:19.380 have to

01:01:19.680 say to

01:01:19.980 one another

01:01:20.440 there's

01:01:21.120 nothing

01:01:21.500 but

01:01:21.760 power

01:01:22.240 it's a

01:01:23.020 Hobbesian

01:01:23.540 nightmare

01:01:24.080 of group

01:01:25.020 against

01:01:25.400 group

01:01:25.880 and that's

01:01:27.780 the postmodern

01:01:28.500 doctrine

01:01:29.040 and so

01:01:30.620 it's

01:01:31.440 to call it

01:01:32.100 appalling

01:01:32.580 is to

01:01:33.000 barely

01:01:33.260 scrape

01:01:33.720 the

01:01:33.960 surface

01:01:34.380 it's

01:01:35.260 it's

01:01:35.560 an

01:01:35.720 assault

01:01:36.260 it is

01:01:36.940 it is

01:01:37.540 truly

01:01:38.260 an

01:01:39.080 assault

01:01:39.500 on the

01:01:39.920 most

01:01:40.280 fundamental

01:01:40.960 principles

01:01:41.580 by which

01:01:42.240 the west

01:01:42.740 is

01:01:43.260 governed

01:01:43.600 it's

01:01:44.660 not

01:01:45.200 surface

01:01:46.640 level

01:01:47.020 philosophy

01:01:47.660 it goes

01:01:48.920 all the

01:01:49.560 way

01:01:49.760 to

01:01:49.960 the

01:01:50.120 bottom

01:01:50.460 this

01:01:51.920 is

01:01:52.080 partly

01:01:52.380 why

01:01:52.600 I've

01:01:52.740 been

01:01:52.860 concentrating

01:01:53.380 on

01:01:53.600 religious

01:01:53.980 themes

01:01:54.360 in my

01:01:54.860 lectures

01:01:56.420 let's

01:01:56.860 say

01:01:57.080 because

01:01:58.180 the argument

01:01:59.360 goes all

01:01:59.920 the way

01:02:00.180 down

01:02:00.460 to

01:02:00.660 first

01:02:00.940 principles

01:02:01.520 is

01:02:05.280 is

01:02:05.300 there

01:02:05.620 is

01:02:06.780 the

01:02:07.120 idea

01:02:08.520 of

01:02:08.880 the

01:02:09.100 sovereignty

01:02:09.580 of

01:02:09.960 the

01:02:10.160 individual

01:02:10.780 correct

01:02:12.400 the

01:02:15.340 western

01:02:15.720 answer

01:02:16.120 is

01:02:16.440 it's

01:02:16.680 the

01:02:16.820 great

01:02:17.220 discovery

01:02:17.700 of

01:02:17.920 the

01:02:18.040 west

01:02:18.280 the

01:02:18.500 western

01:02:18.840 answer

01:02:19.240 is

01:02:19.500 that's

01:02:20.100 the

01:02:20.320 most

01:02:20.560 fundamental

01:02:21.080 truth

01:02:21.600 that

01:02:22.220 is

01:02:22.380 exactly

01:02:23.040 what's

01:02:23.420 under

01:02:23.680 assault

01:02:24.080 at

01:02:24.320 the

01:02:24.460 universities

01:02:24.880 the

01:02:25.440 reason

01:02:25.840 that

01:02:26.140 the

01:02:26.320 collectivist

01:02:26.900 types

01:02:27.200 hate

01:02:27.700 me

01:02:28.020 is

01:02:29.040 because

01:02:29.280 I've

01:02:29.720 got

01:02:30.020 their

01:02:30.280 number

01:02:30.760 I

01:02:31.920 know

01:02:32.320 what

01:02:32.660 they're

01:02:32.880 up

01:02:33.100 to

01:02:33.360 and

01:02:41.740 I

01:02:41.940 think

01:02:42.220 I

01:02:42.820 think

01:02:43.080 further

01:02:43.540 that

01:02:43.920 they

01:02:46.720 do

01:02:47.000 not

01:02:47.300 wish

01:02:47.640 to

01:02:47.900 shoulder

01:02:48.260 the

01:02:48.620 unbearable

01:02:49.560 responsibility

01:02:50.380 of

01:02:51.420 being

01:02:51.880 a

01:02:52.520 sovereign

01:02:52.860 individual

01:02:53.480 so

01:02:55.420 not

01:02:55.720 only

01:02:56.080 is

01:02:56.740 it

01:02:57.000 and

01:03:02.780 that

01:03:02.980 accounts

01:03:03.380 for

01:03:03.580 the

01:03:03.740 cowardice

01:03:04.360 and

01:03:05.020 that

01:03:05.180 accounts

01:03:05.560 for

01:03:05.780 the

01:03:05.920 attempt

01:03:06.240 to

01:03:06.480 weaken

01:03:06.840 the

01:03:07.140 spirit

01:03:07.520 of

01:03:07.740 the

01:03:07.880 people

01:03:08.140 that

01:03:08.360 they're

01:03:08.560 teaching

01:03:08.920 by

01:03:09.460 over

01:03:09.800 protecting

01:03:10.300 them

01:03:10.580 they're

01:03:12.540 not

01:03:12.920 willing

01:03:13.200 to

01:03:13.400 take

01:03:13.620 on

01:03:13.780 the

01:03:13.940 responsibility

01:03:14.700 and

01:03:16.120 the

01:03:16.380 fault

01:03:16.960 has

01:03:17.300 to

01:03:17.500 lie

01:03:17.700 elsewhere

01:03:18.160 and

01:03:19.100 I

01:03:19.260 think

01:03:19.440 that's

01:03:19.720 a

01:03:19.820 good

01:03:19.960 judge

01:03:20.300 of

01:03:20.540 someone

01:03:21.540 someone's

01:03:23.260 character

01:03:23.680 in

01:03:23.940 general

01:03:24.320 it's

01:03:24.700 like

01:03:24.960 well

01:03:26.940 the

01:03:27.240 world

01:03:27.480 is

01:03:27.680 in

01:03:27.800 a

01:03:27.900 messy

01:03:28.160 state

01:03:28.580 let's

01:03:28.940 say

01:03:29.160 and

01:03:31.640 the

01:03:31.760 question

01:03:32.060 is

01:03:32.320 whose

01:03:32.520 fault

01:03:32.880 is

01:03:33.120 it

01:03:33.600 and

01:03:34.040 the

01:03:34.160 answer

01:03:34.420 is

01:03:34.780 yours

01:03:36.660 that's

01:03:38.920 the

01:03:39.040 right

01:03:39.240 answer

01:03:39.620 it's

01:03:41.080 not

01:03:41.340 the

01:03:42.180 patriarchy

01:03:42.800 it's

01:03:43.080 not

01:03:43.380 some

01:03:45.140 identifiable

01:03:45.860 group

01:03:46.360 it's

01:03:46.600 not

01:03:46.760 some

01:03:47.040 structure

01:03:47.660 that's

01:03:48.480 gone

01:03:48.680 wrong

01:03:48.980 even

01:03:49.180 though

01:03:49.480 those

01:03:50.040 things

01:03:50.280 can

01:03:50.480 go

01:03:50.660 wrong

01:03:51.040 and

01:03:52.220 that's

01:03:52.460 the

01:03:52.560 other

01:03:52.760 fundamental

01:03:53.340 truth

01:03:54.440 of

01:03:54.600 the

01:03:54.740 West

01:03:55.060 is

01:03:56.820 that

01:03:57.100 things

01:03:58.260 would

01:03:58.460 be

01:03:58.620 a

01:03:58.780 lot

01:03:58.940 better

01:03:59.240 if

01:03:59.440 you

01:03:59.600 were

01:03:59.780 a

01:03:59.920 lot

01:04:00.120 better

01:04:00.480 and

01:04:01.980 you

01:04:02.080 have

01:04:02.300 to

01:04:02.460 decide

01:04:02.860 if

01:04:03.120 you're

01:04:03.380 willing

01:04:03.620 to

01:04:03.840 accept

01:04:04.220 that

01:04:04.600 and

01:04:04.940 you

01:04:05.900 have

01:04:06.160 every

01:04:06.400 reason

01:04:06.680 not

01:04:07.000 to

01:04:07.240 it's

01:04:07.680 a

01:04:07.820 terrible

01:04:08.180 thought

01:04:08.760 Solzhenitsyn

01:04:12.780 I think

01:04:13.220 this is a

01:04:14.260 paraphrase

01:04:14.800 but

01:04:15.160 it's

01:04:15.340 close

01:04:15.580 enough

01:04:15.920 he said

01:04:16.360 that

01:04:16.520 one

01:04:16.700 person

01:04:17.000 who

01:04:17.160 stopped

01:04:17.440 lying

01:04:17.760 could

01:04:17.960 bring

01:04:18.160 down

01:04:18.360 a

01:04:18.520 tyranny

01:04:18.860 when I

01:04:20.800 first

01:04:21.060 read

01:04:21.280 that

01:04:21.500 I

01:04:21.640 thought

01:04:21.860 that

01:04:22.060 can't

01:04:22.380 possibly

01:04:22.780 be

01:04:23.020 true

01:04:23.240 and

01:04:23.440 as

01:04:23.740 I

01:04:23.880 understood

01:04:24.240 it

01:04:24.460 I

01:04:24.620 thought

01:04:24.880 that

01:04:25.100 can't

01:04:25.500 possibly

01:04:25.980 not

01:04:26.380 be

01:04:26.660 true

01:04:26.960 because

01:04:27.960 the

01:04:28.700 only

01:04:28.880 thing

01:04:29.140 that

01:04:29.340 can

01:04:29.600 break

01:04:30.720 the

01:04:30.960 spine

01:04:31.300 of

01:04:31.440 a

01:04:31.560 tyranny

01:04:31.880 is

01:04:32.100 the

01:04:32.260 truth

01:04:32.660 and

01:04:32.880 the

01:04:33.020 only

01:04:33.240 way

01:04:36.760 that

01:04:37.000 the

01:04:37.180 truth

01:04:37.420 can

01:04:37.620 be

01:04:37.780 told

01:04:38.040 is

01:04:38.200 that

01:04:38.400 some

01:04:38.640 individual

01:04:39.120 tells

01:04:39.580 it

01:04:39.820 and

01:04:40.720 so

01:04:40.840 it's

01:04:41.020 necessarily

01:04:41.620 the

01:04:41.860 case

01:04:42.120 that

01:04:42.360 tyranny

01:04:42.720 is

01:04:42.920 broken

01:04:43.220 by

01:04:43.460 the

01:04:43.640 truth

01:04:43.900 of

01:04:44.040 the

01:04:44.180 individual

01:04:44.640 but

01:04:48.860 it's

01:04:49.600 no

01:04:49.940 trivial

01:04:50.440 thing

01:04:50.900 you

01:04:51.460 know

01:04:51.540 people

01:04:51.800 come

01:04:52.060 and

01:04:52.220 tell

01:04:52.400 me

01:04:52.700 very

01:04:54.040 frequently

01:04:54.560 and

01:04:55.420 they

01:04:55.540 write

01:04:55.800 me

01:04:56.000 and

01:04:56.140 they

01:04:56.280 say

01:04:56.460 well

01:04:56.700 you

01:04:56.900 know

01:04:57.040 I

01:04:57.740 agree

01:04:57.980 with

01:04:58.160 what

01:04:58.320 you

01:04:58.460 say

01:04:58.700 and

01:04:58.840 this

01:04:59.000 terrible

01:04:59.280 thing

01:04:59.540 is

01:04:59.680 happening

01:04:59.980 in

01:05:00.120 my

01:05:00.260 workplace

01:05:00.600 and

01:05:00.960 you

01:05:01.540 know

01:05:01.680 I

01:05:02.400 don't

01:05:02.560 know

01:05:02.680 what

01:05:02.820 to

01:05:02.960 do

01:05:03.100 about

01:05:03.340 it

01:05:03.460 and

01:05:03.580 I

01:05:03.700 don't

01:05:03.920 want

01:05:04.140 you

01:05:04.260 to

01:05:04.440 make

01:05:05.080 my

01:05:05.300 story

01:05:05.560 public

01:05:05.960 and

01:05:06.220 because

01:05:06.840 of

01:05:07.020 the

01:05:07.180 potential

01:05:07.580 for

01:05:07.820 repercussions

01:05:08.440 and

01:05:08.680 I

01:05:08.820 think

01:05:09.060 yeah

01:05:09.300 well

01:05:09.520 I

01:05:09.680 mean

01:05:09.820 I

01:05:09.980 understand

01:05:10.620 your

01:05:10.920 position

01:05:11.380 it's

01:05:11.820 no

01:05:12.060 joke

01:05:12.400 to

01:05:12.640 it's

01:05:13.800 no

01:05:13.980 joke

01:05:14.260 to

01:05:14.480 stand

01:05:14.780 up

01:05:15.020 when

01:05:15.260 when

01:05:15.920 when

01:05:16.480 the

01:05:16.720 when

01:05:17.740 the

01:05:17.960 when

01:05:18.480 the

01:05:18.620 amateur

01:05:19.040 totalitarians

01:05:20.060 are knocking

01:05:20.560 on your

01:05:20.980 office

01:05:21.320 door

01:05:21.700 but

01:05:23.700 if

01:05:23.840 you

01:05:24.000 don't

01:05:24.400 then

01:05:24.700 sooner

01:05:25.520 sooner

01:05:26.560 than

01:05:26.800 you

01:05:26.960 think

01:05:27.200 it'll

01:05:27.380 be

01:05:27.500 the

01:05:27.680 professional

01:05:28.180 totalitarians

01:05:29.180 and

01:05:29.400 then

01:05:30.000 you'll

01:05:30.180 be

01:05:30.300 in

01:05:30.440 the

01:05:30.560 sort

01:05:30.740 of

01:05:30.860 trouble

01:05:31.160 that

01:05:31.440 that

01:05:32.200 unless

01:05:33.140 you've

01:05:33.480 tried

01:05:33.760 to

01:05:33.960 imagine

01:05:34.380 it

01:05:34.580 you

01:05:34.760 can't

01:05:35.100 possibly

01:05:35.580 imagine

01:05:36.100 so

01:05:37.540 in

01:05:38.440 the

01:05:38.680 minutes

01:05:39.640 remaining

01:05:40.160 I'm

01:05:41.860 going

01:05:41.960 to

01:05:42.160 ask

01:05:42.940 a few

01:05:43.220 personal

01:05:43.660 questions

01:05:44.320 as

01:05:46.120 I

01:05:46.260 did

01:05:46.480 with

01:05:47.260 the

01:05:47.420 late

01:05:47.640 great

01:05:47.980 Charles

01:05:48.280 Krauthammer

01:05:48.940 at

01:05:49.720 one

01:05:49.980 of

01:05:50.100 our

01:05:50.300 weekends

01:05:50.840 because

01:05:53.500 people

01:05:53.960 like

01:05:54.300 including

01:05:55.260 me

01:05:55.600 just

01:05:55.980 fascinated

01:05:56.580 so

01:05:57.200 here's

01:05:57.520 one

01:05:57.840 what

01:05:59.600 was

01:05:59.760 the

01:05:59.900 city

01:06:00.140 in

01:06:00.300 Alberta

01:06:00.640 you

01:06:00.880 grew

01:06:01.060 up

01:06:01.220 in

01:06:01.420 well

01:06:02.580 it

01:06:02.720 wasn't

01:06:03.020 a

01:06:03.220 city

01:06:03.600 exactly

01:06:04.700 it

01:06:05.120 was

01:06:05.280 a

01:06:05.380 little

01:06:05.560 town

01:06:06.020 it

01:06:06.620 was

01:06:06.740 called

01:06:07.000 it's

01:06:07.180 called

01:06:07.420 Fairview

01:06:08.020 it's

01:06:09.600 about

01:06:09.800 800

01:06:10.160 miles

01:06:10.580 north

01:06:10.900 of

01:06:11.080 the

01:06:11.260 American

01:06:11.580 border

01:06:12.020 so

01:06:12.760 it's

01:06:13.340 a

01:06:13.440 long

01:06:13.620 ways

01:06:13.900 up

01:06:14.120 there

01:06:14.440 right

01:06:14.900 so

01:06:16.420 how

01:06:16.760 often

01:06:17.380 if at

01:06:17.980 all

01:06:18.400 do

01:06:19.560 you

01:06:19.800 think

01:06:20.280 when

01:06:21.460 people

01:06:21.800 stop

01:06:22.160 you

01:06:22.300 at

01:06:22.460 airports

01:06:22.940 and

01:06:23.400 go

01:06:23.900 around

01:06:24.140 the

01:06:24.320 world

01:06:24.620 lecturing

01:06:25.320 Jordan

01:06:28.200 Peterson

01:06:28.860 from

01:06:29.260 Fairview

01:06:29.880 it's

01:06:30.900 hard

01:06:31.060 to

01:06:31.240 believe

01:06:31.680 does

01:06:32.880 that

01:06:33.060 happen

01:06:33.420 well

01:06:34.900 I

01:06:35.080 live

01:06:35.300 I

01:06:35.660 live

01:06:35.920 in

01:06:36.020 a

01:06:36.140 constant

01:06:36.480 state

01:06:36.840 of

01:06:37.000 disbelief

01:06:37.720 I

01:06:38.160 mean

01:06:38.440 I'm

01:06:39.680 dead

01:06:40.220 serious

01:06:40.680 about

01:06:40.940 this

01:06:41.180 like

01:06:41.360 I

01:06:41.500 think

01:06:41.680 it's

01:06:41.840 a

01:06:41.980 form

01:06:42.220 of

01:06:42.380 post

01:06:42.700 traumatic

01:06:43.120 shock

01:06:44.780 in

01:06:45.260 some

01:06:45.500 sense

01:06:45.880 I

01:06:46.720 mean

01:06:46.820 my

01:06:46.980 life

01:06:47.280 in

01:06:47.420 the

01:06:47.540 last

01:06:47.760 three

01:06:48.040 years

01:06:48.440 has

01:06:49.120 been

01:06:49.420 just

01:06:50.800 a

01:06:51.360 continual

01:06:52.480 series

01:06:53.000 of

01:06:53.300 surreal

01:06:54.180 impossibilities

01:06:55.660 I

01:06:56.540 mean

01:06:56.780 on

01:06:58.020 the

01:06:58.140 one

01:06:58.340 hand

01:06:58.720 I

01:07:00.020 have

01:07:00.140 been

01:07:00.320 involved

01:07:00.760 in

01:07:01.000 a

01:07:01.160 political

01:07:01.480 scandal

01:07:02.100 of

01:07:02.380 some

01:07:02.680 sort

01:07:03.160 for

01:07:04.640 a

01:07:05.040 good

01:07:05.300 year

01:07:05.560 and

01:07:05.700 a

01:07:05.760 half

01:07:05.980 it

01:07:06.140 was

01:07:06.300 at

01:07:06.480 least

01:07:06.740 twice

01:07:07.140 a

01:07:07.380 week

01:07:07.640 and

01:07:08.600 then

01:07:08.820 for

01:07:09.260 the

01:07:09.420 entire

01:07:09.820 three

01:07:10.280 year

01:07:10.460 period

01:07:10.840 it's

01:07:11.120 been

01:07:11.280 at

01:07:11.480 least

01:07:11.800 once

01:07:12.320 a

01:07:12.500 week

01:07:12.760 it's

01:07:13.440 non-stop

01:07:14.280 and

01:07:14.880 sometimes

01:07:15.460 it's

01:07:15.820 national

01:07:16.360 and

01:07:17.400 sometimes

01:07:17.740 it's

01:07:18.080 international

01:07:18.600 but

01:07:18.960 it's

01:07:19.420 continual

01:07:20.220 and

01:07:20.880 so

01:07:21.020 that's

01:07:21.740 I'll

01:07:24.220 give you

01:07:24.520 an

01:07:24.660 example

01:07:25.020 this

01:07:25.280 is a

01:07:25.520 funny

01:07:25.700 little

01:07:25.960 story

01:07:26.400 my

01:07:27.840 son

01:07:28.120 came

01:07:28.380 over

01:07:28.600 one

01:07:28.860 day

01:07:29.080 about

01:07:29.400 year

01:07:30.040 and

01:07:30.520 a

01:07:30.580 half

01:07:30.820 ago

01:07:31.100 and

01:07:32.340 I

01:07:32.460 was

01:07:32.600 having

01:07:33.160 kind

01:07:33.680 of

01:07:33.760 a

01:07:33.880 rough

01:07:34.080 day

01:07:34.400 because

01:07:34.700 200

01:07:35.500 of

01:07:35.780 my

01:07:36.020 colleagues

01:07:36.440 at

01:07:36.680 the

01:07:36.800 university

01:07:37.240 had

01:07:37.480 signed

01:07:37.800 a

01:07:38.000 document

01:07:38.440 trying

01:07:39.480 to

01:07:39.620 get

01:07:39.760 me

01:07:39.980 fired

01:07:40.440 and

01:07:41.300 then

01:07:41.740 they

01:07:41.920 gave

01:07:42.100 it

01:07:42.200 to

01:07:42.300 the

01:07:42.460 union

01:07:42.740 and

01:07:43.000 the

01:07:43.760 union

01:07:44.000 presented

01:07:44.420 it

01:07:44.660 to

01:07:44.760 the

01:07:44.920 administration

01:07:45.560 without

01:07:46.260 even

01:07:46.640 informing

01:07:47.140 me

01:07:47.500 even

01:07:48.260 though

01:07:48.440 I'm

01:07:48.660 part

01:07:48.920 of

01:07:49.040 the

01:07:49.180 faculty

01:07:49.540 union

01:07:49.960 and

01:07:50.640 so

01:07:50.800 I

01:07:50.940 said

01:07:51.160 to

01:07:51.320 my

01:07:51.540 son

01:07:51.840 Julian

01:07:52.980 you

01:07:54.660 know

01:07:54.800 200

01:07:55.180 of

01:07:55.400 my

01:07:55.580 colleagues

01:07:56.100 today

01:07:56.500 just

01:07:56.840 signed

01:07:57.660 a

01:07:57.820 letter

01:07:58.100 saying

01:07:58.620 that

01:07:58.780 I

01:07:58.920 should

01:07:59.120 be

01:07:59.300 fired

01:07:59.640 and

01:07:59.840 he

01:07:59.940 said

01:08:00.160 oh

01:08:01.200 dad

01:08:01.500 don't

01:08:01.800 don't

01:08:02.360 worry

01:08:02.520 about

01:08:02.760 that

01:08:03.020 it

01:08:03.120 was

01:08:03.240 only

01:08:03.500 200

01:08:04.040 and

01:08:08.140 I

01:08:08.280 thought

01:08:08.600 well

01:08:09.140 that's

01:08:09.380 where

01:08:09.520 we

01:08:09.720 were

01:08:09.920 at

01:08:10.280 you

01:08:10.440 know

01:08:10.520 it

01:08:10.620 was

01:08:10.720 like

01:08:10.920 oh

01:08:11.240 that's

01:08:12.120 not

01:08:12.360 that's

01:08:12.760 that's

01:08:13.100 that's

01:08:13.420 that was

01:08:14.120 a light

01:08:14.500 day

01:08:14.940 that was

01:08:16.200 okay

01:08:16.640 you

01:08:16.940 know

01:08:17.140 and

01:08:18.100 then

01:08:18.300 so

01:08:18.540 there's

01:08:19.020 that

01:08:19.380 and

01:08:19.600 and

01:08:19.900 the

01:08:20.000 fact

01:08:20.240 that

01:08:20.360 it

01:08:20.480 doesn't

01:08:20.780 quit

01:08:21.100 that's

01:08:21.460 another

01:08:21.680 thing

01:08:21.940 I

01:08:22.120 can't

01:08:22.660 understand

01:08:23.120 it's

01:08:23.380 like

01:08:23.560 you

01:08:24.160 know

01:08:24.340 all

01:08:24.860 this

01:08:25.020 blew

01:08:25.220 up

01:08:25.420 around

01:08:25.700 me

01:08:25.860 around

01:08:26.100 Bill

01:08:26.300 C-16

01:08:26.960 and

01:08:27.240 I

01:08:27.380 thought

01:08:27.660 well

01:08:28.980 I've

01:08:29.240 had

01:08:29.400 my

01:08:29.560 15

01:08:29.960 minutes

01:08:30.360 or

01:08:30.540 my

01:08:30.780 then

01:08:31.240 it

01:08:31.340 was

01:08:31.480 like

01:08:31.680 well

01:08:31.820 I've

01:08:32.000 had

01:08:32.160 my

01:08:32.340 week

01:08:32.720 and

01:08:32.920 then

01:08:33.240 it

01:08:33.320 was

01:08:33.440 like

01:08:33.620 oh

01:08:33.880 I

01:08:35.320 must

01:08:35.580 have

01:08:35.700 had

01:08:35.900 my

01:08:36.100 month

01:08:36.560 and

01:08:36.780 then

01:08:37.040 but

01:08:38.640 none

01:08:38.880 of

01:08:39.000 that

01:08:39.160 happened

01:08:39.540 it

01:08:39.720 just

01:08:39.880 kept

01:08:40.160 expanding

01:08:40.720 and

01:08:40.920 expanding

01:08:41.420 and

01:08:41.620 expanding

01:08:42.120 and

01:08:42.320 expanding

01:08:42.820 and

01:08:43.020 expanding

01:08:43.480 and

01:08:43.780 and

01:08:44.300 every

01:08:45.300 day

01:08:45.480 I

01:08:45.680 wake

01:08:46.040 up

01:08:46.180 and

01:08:46.300 I

01:08:46.400 think

01:08:46.600 well

01:08:46.760 this

01:08:46.940 is

01:08:47.100 going

01:08:47.240 to

01:08:47.760 come

01:08:48.020 to

01:08:48.180 an

01:08:48.300 end

01:08:48.560 but

01:08:48.800 it

01:08:48.980 doesn't

01:08:49.380 it

01:08:49.540 just

01:08:49.820 expands

01:08:50.500 and

01:08:50.940 and

01:08:51.940 that

01:08:52.080 just

01:08:52.280 doesn't

01:08:52.580 seem

01:08:52.800 credible

01:08:53.280 in

01:08:53.920 the

01:08:54.080 least

01:08:54.400 every

01:08:54.940 time

01:08:55.180 I

01:08:55.360 come

01:08:55.700 to

01:08:55.820 an

01:08:55.940 event

01:08:56.160 like

01:08:56.420 this

01:08:56.800 or

01:08:56.980 I

01:08:57.620 mean

01:08:57.780 when

01:08:58.200 I

01:08:58.340 was

01:08:58.520 in

01:08:58.740 Australia

01:08:59.300 I

01:09:00.440 was

01:09:00.620 speaking

01:09:00.960 to

01:09:01.220 audiences

01:09:01.680 of

01:09:01.960 5500

01:09:02.600 people

01:09:03.280 and

01:09:03.980 it's

01:09:04.200 like

01:09:04.480 how

01:09:05.180 in

01:09:05.340 the

01:09:05.420 world

01:09:05.600 can

01:09:05.820 you

01:09:05.940 believe

01:09:06.280 that

01:09:06.760 it's

01:09:07.000 like

01:09:07.240 you

01:09:08.160 heard

01:09:08.460 what

01:09:08.620 I

01:09:08.740 just

01:09:09.000 said

01:09:09.320 who

01:09:09.540 in

01:09:10.280 their

01:09:10.420 right

01:09:10.680 mind

01:09:11.000 would

01:09:11.200 come

01:09:11.440 and

01:09:11.620 listen

01:09:11.900 to

01:09:12.140 someone

01:09:12.500 who

01:09:12.760 just

01:09:13.040 told

01:09:13.460 you

01:09:13.620 what

01:09:13.800 I

01:09:13.980 told

01:09:14.360 you

01:09:14.660 you

01:09:15.280 know

01:09:15.460 it's

01:09:16.120 so

01:09:16.480 dark

01:09:17.120 and

01:09:17.760 it's

01:09:17.980 so

01:09:18.220 demanding

01:09:18.900 you

01:09:19.640 wouldn't

01:09:19.880 think

01:09:20.120 that

01:09:20.320 people

01:09:20.560 would

01:09:20.840 line

01:09:22.080 up

01:09:22.400 for

01:09:22.640 blocks

01:09:23.160 and

01:09:23.560 spend

01:09:24.360 their

01:09:24.640 hard-earned

01:09:25.180 money

01:09:25.460 and

01:09:25.740 come

01:09:26.820 because

01:09:27.220 it's

01:09:27.460 like

01:09:28.280 a

01:09:28.480 marital

01:09:28.900 anniversary

01:09:29.580 that's

01:09:31.740 what

01:09:31.860 they

01:09:32.020 say

01:09:32.320 this

01:09:32.960 was

01:09:33.140 our

01:09:33.400 anniversary

01:09:34.040 present

01:09:34.500 to

01:09:34.700 each

01:09:34.900 other

01:09:35.140 I

01:09:35.320 thank

01:09:35.540 you

01:09:35.700 people

01:09:36.000 you

01:09:36.220 are

01:09:36.520 completely

01:09:37.080 out

01:09:37.380 of

01:09:37.500 your

01:09:37.640 mind

01:09:38.300 and

01:09:42.320 so

01:09:42.660 and

01:09:43.540 then

01:09:43.720 I

01:09:44.040 think

01:09:44.320 too

01:09:44.660 you

01:09:44.980 know

01:09:45.160 that

01:09:45.400 the

01:09:47.040 state

01:09:47.420 of

01:09:47.600 disbelief

01:09:48.200 is

01:09:48.400 necessary

01:09:49.180 and

01:09:49.600 maybe

01:09:49.980 that's

01:09:50.640 an

01:09:50.760 advantage

01:09:51.140 to

01:09:51.360 being

01:09:51.560 older

01:09:52.020 because

01:09:52.880 I'm

01:09:53.180 too

01:09:53.360 old

01:09:53.600 to

01:09:53.740 adapt

01:09:54.140 rapidly

01:09:54.760 and

01:09:55.660 this

01:09:55.960 isn't

01:09:56.180 the

01:09:56.340 sort

01:09:56.520 of

01:09:56.620 thing

01:09:56.800 that

01:09:56.940 you

01:09:57.060 should

01:09:57.240 adapt

01:09:57.660 to

01:09:58.080 right

01:09:58.480 I

01:09:58.740 should

01:09:59.020 be

01:09:59.200 in

01:09:59.340 a

01:09:59.480 constant

01:09:59.820 state

01:10:00.200 of

01:10:00.400 shock

01:10:01.240 disbelief

01:10:01.900 because

01:10:02.220 it

01:10:02.420 keeps

01:10:02.620 my

01:10:02.840 head

01:10:03.120 on

01:10:04.120 straight

01:10:04.680 I

01:10:05.800 don't

01:10:05.980 know

01:10:06.180 what's

01:10:06.740 going

01:10:07.020 on

01:10:07.300 exactly

01:10:07.880 I

01:10:08.120 don't

01:10:08.320 know

01:10:08.520 why

01:10:08.900 it's

01:10:09.280 the

01:10:09.900 case

01:10:10.280 that

01:10:10.520 what

01:10:10.740 I'm

01:10:10.960 saying

01:10:11.420 is

01:10:11.780 so

01:10:12.300 necessary

01:10:13.560 apparently

01:10:14.540 but

01:10:15.640 it

01:10:15.880 seems

01:10:16.160 to

01:10:16.380 be

01:10:16.640 and

01:10:17.360 I'm

01:10:17.500 trying

01:10:17.720 to

01:10:17.900 figure

01:10:18.080 out

01:10:18.300 why

01:10:18.700 but

01:10:19.940 I'm

01:10:20.120 certainly

01:10:20.480 not

01:10:21.160 for

01:10:21.360 a

01:10:21.560 second

01:10:21.840 I

01:10:23.060 think

01:10:23.320 I

01:10:23.480 take

01:10:23.740 very

01:10:24.020 little

01:10:24.280 for

01:10:24.500 granted

01:10:24.860 and

01:10:25.720 I

01:10:25.920 mean

01:10:26.200 I

01:10:26.360 think

01:10:26.560 I

01:10:26.700 take

01:10:27.000 even

01:10:27.320 less

01:10:27.900 for

01:10:28.120 granted

01:10:28.440 than

01:10:28.700 you

01:10:28.840 might

01:10:29.060 think

01:10:29.420 I

01:10:29.740 told

01:10:30.000 you

01:10:30.160 that

01:10:30.340 I

01:10:30.760 don't

01:10:30.980 take

01:10:31.200 it

01:10:31.320 for

01:10:31.480 granted

01:10:31.800 that

01:10:32.040 you

01:10:32.200 can

01:10:32.360 all

01:10:37.300 world

01:10:37.640 is

01:10:37.880 that

01:10:38.080 if

01:10:38.300 it

01:10:38.660 isn't

01:10:39.300 if

01:10:39.860 it

01:10:39.980 isn't

01:10:40.520 burning

01:10:41.180 in

01:10:41.460 rack

01:10:41.780 and

01:10:41.980 runes

01:10:42.460 then

01:10:43.180 I

01:10:43.360 think

01:10:43.600 it's

01:10:43.800 a

01:10:43.940 bloody

01:10:44.180 miracle

01:10:44.700 and

01:10:45.640 the

01:10:46.040 fact

01:10:46.320 that

01:10:46.580 things

01:10:46.900 have

01:10:47.100 gone

01:10:47.420 well

01:10:48.180 for

01:10:48.460 me

01:10:48.740 and

01:10:49.780 that

01:10:49.920 I'm

01:10:50.120 still

01:10:50.620 standing

01:10:51.460 which

01:10:52.780 is

01:10:52.920 also

01:10:53.240 a

01:10:53.600 miracle

01:10:53.940 of

01:10:54.200 sorts

01:10:54.740 you

01:10:54.920 know

01:10:55.040 I

01:10:55.160 mean

01:10:55.400 there

01:10:58.560 were

01:10:58.720 probably

01:10:59.240 30

01:11:00.740 different

01:11:01.240 scandalous

01:11:02.160 episodes

01:11:04.420 that

01:11:05.900 had

01:11:06.100 every

01:11:06.740 that

01:11:08.240 anyone

01:11:08.680 with

01:11:08.960 any

01:11:09.220 sense

01:11:09.640 would

01:11:09.960 have

01:11:10.100 thought

01:11:10.500 would

01:11:10.940 finish

01:11:11.400 me

01:11:11.700 and

01:11:13.160 they've

01:11:14.880 all

01:11:15.080 backfired

01:11:15.800 and

01:11:17.460 that's

01:11:18.100 also

01:11:18.460 I

01:11:25.980 also

01:11:26.280 don't

01:11:26.560 understand

01:11:26.960 that

01:11:27.520 it's

01:11:27.800 like

01:11:28.080 I

01:11:28.960 don't

01:11:29.180 understand

01:11:29.700 that

01:11:30.120 I

01:11:31.100 get

01:11:31.320 attacked

01:11:31.840 in

01:11:32.220 New

01:11:32.420 York

01:11:32.620 Times

01:11:33.040 and

01:11:33.980 my

01:11:34.160 friends

01:11:34.460 call

01:11:35.080 me

01:11:35.360 who

01:11:35.720 are

01:11:35.860 New

01:11:36.000 York

01:11:36.180 Times

01:11:36.460 readers

01:11:36.740 and

01:11:36.980 they

01:11:37.120 say

01:11:37.380 you

01:11:38.320 you

01:11:38.620 you

01:11:39.100 you've

01:11:39.500 had

01:11:39.720 it

01:11:39.860 this

01:11:40.060 time

01:11:40.300 because

01:11:40.540 that

01:11:40.760 was

01:11:40.900 the

01:11:41.040 New

01:11:41.200 York

01:11:41.400 Times

01:11:41.800 you

01:11:42.080 know

01:11:42.240 you're

01:11:43.340 not

01:11:43.480 going

01:11:43.620 to

01:11:43.720 recover

01:11:44.020 from

01:11:44.280 that

01:11:44.500 and

01:11:44.600 I

01:11:44.700 think

01:11:44.920 well

01:11:45.420 that's

01:11:45.660 probably

01:11:45.960 true

01:11:46.320 I

01:11:46.520 mean

01:11:46.760 I

01:11:47.140 was

01:11:47.240 expecting

01:11:47.740 it

01:11:48.040 to

01:11:48.580 happen

01:11:48.880 all

01:11:49.100 along

01:11:49.500 and

01:11:49.660 then

01:11:49.900 I

01:11:50.620 wait

01:11:50.960 and

01:11:51.140 then

01:11:51.440 you

01:11:51.980 know

01:11:52.220 everybody

01:11:53.480 clamors

01:11:54.100 at

01:11:54.380 me

01:11:54.620 and

01:11:54.800 then

01:11:55.040 I

01:11:56.240 don't

01:11:56.540 respond

01:11:57.240 too

01:11:57.500 much

01:11:57.700 to

01:11:57.860 that

01:11:58.120 and

01:11:58.260 it

01:11:58.440 starts

01:11:58.680 to

01:11:58.880 die

01:11:59.080 away

01:11:59.340 and

01:11:59.500 then

01:11:59.620 all

01:11:59.760 the

01:11:59.920 supporters

01:12:00.280 come

01:12:00.600 out

01:12:00.820 and

01:12:01.340 then

01:12:01.500 there's

01:12:01.860 a hundred

01:12:03.400 people

01:12:04.000 who

01:12:04.180 clamor

01:12:04.620 and

01:12:04.840 ten

01:12:05.180 thousand

01:12:05.660 supporters

01:12:06.320 and

01:12:07.660 you

01:12:07.860 know

01:12:08.000 here's

01:12:08.400 something

01:12:08.620 I

01:12:08.840 can

01:12:09.000 tell

01:12:09.200 you

01:12:09.300 about

01:12:09.480 my

01:12:09.660 life

01:12:10.020 that's

01:12:11.760 really

01:12:12.000 remarkable

01:12:12.580 so

01:12:14.360 you

01:12:15.380 know

01:12:15.560 if

01:12:16.200 you

01:12:16.460 just

01:12:18.020 read

01:12:18.320 the

01:12:19.220 press

01:12:19.620 well

01:12:21.020 you'd

01:12:21.220 have

01:12:21.360 all

01:12:21.520 sorts

01:12:21.720 of

01:12:21.840 ideas

01:12:22.120 about

01:12:22.440 me

01:12:22.720 I

01:12:23.760 mean

01:12:23.900 you

01:12:24.880 know

01:12:25.040 that

01:12:25.260 I'm

01:12:25.560 a

01:12:25.940 bigot

01:12:26.260 in

01:12:27.440 the

01:12:27.580 broadest

01:12:27.980 possible

01:12:28.420 sense

01:12:28.880 and

01:12:29.200 so

01:12:29.300 that's

01:12:29.720 you

01:12:29.860 know

01:12:30.000 racist

01:12:30.580 sexist

01:12:31.360 homophobic

01:12:32.760 ethnocentric

01:12:34.020 white

01:12:34.880 nationalist

01:12:35.440 alt-right

01:12:36.140 islamophobic

01:12:38.360 all of

01:12:40.240 those

01:12:40.440 things

01:12:40.820 and

01:12:43.700 you'd

01:12:43.920 think

01:12:44.120 that

01:12:44.280 there

01:12:44.460 was

01:12:44.600 just

01:12:44.840 nothing

01:12:45.160 but

01:12:45.400 hatred

01:12:45.860 although

01:12:47.100 I

01:12:47.540 have

01:12:47.740 been

01:12:47.920 treated

01:12:48.160 well

01:12:48.440 by

01:12:48.620 many

01:12:48.920 journalists

01:12:49.440 but

01:12:49.940 you

01:12:50.500 could

01:12:50.920 easily

01:12:51.240 get

01:12:51.520 that

01:12:51.820 sense

01:12:52.340 that

01:12:52.600 like

01:12:52.840 I

01:12:52.980 live

01:12:53.180 in

01:12:53.280 a

01:12:53.420 world

01:12:53.740 where

01:12:54.600 I'm

01:12:54.740 surrounded

01:12:55.160 by

01:12:55.420 hatred

01:12:55.800 and

01:12:56.340 that

01:12:56.500 is

01:12:56.640 absolutely

01:12:57.220 not

01:12:57.580 true

01:12:57.980 it's

01:12:58.960 so

01:12:59.160 not

01:12:59.440 true

01:12:59.800 that

01:13:00.120 it's

01:13:01.320 you know

01:13:02.940 there are

01:13:03.260 lies

01:13:03.620 and then

01:13:03.960 there are

01:13:05.580 anti-truths

01:13:07.240 and an

01:13:07.820 anti-truth is

01:13:08.660 even worse

01:13:09.160 than a

01:13:09.540 lie

01:13:09.880 it's like

01:13:10.680 the ultimate

01:13:11.140 form of

01:13:11.680 lie

01:13:11.880 and that

01:13:12.460 isn't

01:13:12.620 what my

01:13:12.900 life is

01:13:13.280 like

01:13:13.500 at all

01:13:13.980 what my

01:13:15.500 life is

01:13:15.920 like

01:13:16.200 is that

01:13:16.600 I

01:13:17.380 travel

01:13:17.860 with

01:13:18.100 my

01:13:18.320 wife

01:13:18.620 and

01:13:19.420 wherever

01:13:19.700 we

01:13:19.980 go

01:13:20.280 and I

01:13:21.540 mean

01:13:21.760 that

01:13:22.000 literally

01:13:22.500 wherever

01:13:23.100 we

01:13:23.460 go

01:13:23.760 and

01:13:25.000 we've

01:13:25.200 been

01:13:25.380 to

01:13:25.560 I

01:13:25.700 don't

01:13:25.800 know

01:13:25.920 how

01:13:26.060 many

01:13:26.240 countries

01:13:26.620 in the

01:13:26.960 last

01:13:27.240 year

01:13:27.620 it's

01:13:27.940 like

01:13:28.140 I

01:13:30.660 don't

01:13:30.860 know

01:13:31.060 how

01:13:31.240 many

01:13:31.500 30

01:13:33.260 40

01:13:33.800 many

01:13:34.720 countries

01:13:35.320 if I

01:13:37.220 go down

01:13:37.580 the street

01:13:38.040 or if

01:13:38.980 I'm

01:13:39.120 in an

01:13:39.340 airport

01:13:39.580 or if

01:13:40.000 I'm

01:13:40.160 in a

01:13:40.360 cafe

01:13:40.680 or if

01:13:41.360 I'm

01:13:41.500 in a

01:13:41.780 movie

01:13:42.240 theater

01:13:42.660 or if

01:13:43.100 I'm

01:13:43.240 in a

01:13:43.520 mechanics

01:13:45.080 shop

01:13:45.840 some

01:13:48.660 person

01:13:49.060 comes up

01:13:49.540 to me

01:13:49.920 every

01:13:50.820 10

01:13:51.120 minutes

01:13:51.520 and

01:13:52.020 says

01:13:52.400 I

01:13:53.760 hope

01:13:53.980 I'm

01:13:54.160 not

01:13:54.360 disturbing

01:13:54.840 you

01:13:55.180 and

01:13:55.700 they're

01:13:55.880 very

01:13:56.200 very

01:13:56.440 polite

01:13:56.820 and

01:13:58.380 they

01:13:58.580 say

01:13:58.920 I've

01:14:00.340 been

01:14:00.480 listening

01:14:00.800 to your

01:14:01.100 lectures

01:14:01.480 or

01:14:01.880 I've

01:14:02.180 been

01:14:02.340 watching

01:14:02.720 your

01:14:02.940 YouTube

01:14:03.200 videos

01:14:03.660 or

01:14:03.900 I

01:14:04.060 read

01:14:04.260 your

01:14:04.420 book

01:14:04.700 and

01:14:05.580 I

01:14:06.380 was

01:14:06.560 in

01:14:06.740 this

01:14:06.980 dreadful

01:14:07.440 place

01:14:07.960 six

01:14:09.140 months

01:14:09.420 ago

01:14:09.720 and

01:14:09.960 then

01:14:10.220 they

01:14:10.380 tell

01:14:10.580 me

01:14:10.720 a

01:14:10.860 little

01:14:10.980 bit

01:14:11.140 about

01:14:11.420 the

01:14:12.240 particulars

01:14:12.820 of

01:14:12.980 that

01:14:13.220 little

01:14:13.560 corner

01:14:14.140 of

01:14:14.340 hell

01:14:14.580 they

01:14:14.820 were

01:14:14.980 ensconced

01:14:15.580 in

01:14:15.880 and

01:14:16.540 then

01:14:16.680 they

01:14:16.880 say

01:14:17.160 well

01:14:17.760 I've

01:14:18.080 been

01:14:18.200 trying

01:14:18.420 to

01:14:18.580 develop

01:14:18.880 a

01:14:19.060 vision

01:14:19.280 for

01:14:19.520 my

01:14:19.700 life

01:14:20.100 or

01:14:20.960 I've

01:14:21.100 been

01:14:21.220 trying

01:14:21.400 to

01:14:21.540 take

01:14:21.720 more

01:14:21.920 responsibility

01:14:22.740 or

01:14:23.340 been

01:14:23.500 trying

01:14:23.700 to

01:14:23.820 be

01:14:23.980 grateful

01:14:24.340 for

01:14:24.580 my

01:14:24.800 job

01:14:25.240 mundane

01:14:27.460 though

01:14:27.720 it

01:14:27.880 may

01:14:28.120 be

01:14:28.480 or

01:14:29.600 I've

01:14:29.780 decided

01:14:30.120 that

01:14:30.340 I'm

01:14:30.500 going

01:14:30.700 to

01:14:31.020 try

01:14:31.360 to

01:14:31.500 put

01:14:31.640 my

01:14:31.820 family

01:14:32.180 together

01:14:32.640 and

01:14:33.040 make

01:14:33.220 peace

01:14:33.660 and

01:14:34.340 I've

01:14:34.800 really

01:14:35.040 been

01:14:35.280 trying

01:14:35.700 and

01:14:36.220 it's

01:14:36.420 really

01:14:36.840 working

01:14:37.480 and

01:14:38.200 things

01:14:38.480 are

01:14:38.640 way

01:14:39.120 better

01:14:39.560 and

01:14:40.680 thank

01:14:42.580 you

01:14:42.900 and

01:14:45.900 so

01:14:46.300 well

01:14:47.700 it's

01:14:48.160 it's

01:14:48.940 overwhelming

01:14:49.420 to have

01:14:50.680 that happen

01:14:51.260 continually

01:14:51.960 it's

01:14:52.680 very

01:14:52.880 difficult

01:14:53.240 to

01:14:53.600 believe

01:14:54.060 but

01:14:54.960 it's

01:14:56.280 unbelievably

01:14:56.900 positive

01:14:57.660 you know

01:14:58.720 I mean

01:14:59.040 it's

01:14:59.380 if you

01:15:00.040 could

01:15:00.200 imagine

01:15:00.600 if you

01:15:01.440 could

01:15:01.600 ask

01:15:01.900 for

01:15:02.120 what

01:15:02.360 you

01:15:02.500 wanted

01:15:02.920 you

01:15:03.240 could

01:15:04.300 have

01:15:04.460 anything

01:15:04.800 you

01:15:05.020 wanted

01:15:05.440 you

01:15:07.160 might

01:15:07.360 think

01:15:07.740 it

01:15:12.360 would

01:15:12.500 be

01:15:12.720 lovely

01:15:13.120 if

01:15:13.780 I

01:15:13.920 could

01:15:14.080 live

01:15:14.260 my

01:15:14.460 life

01:15:14.760 in

01:15:14.880 a

01:15:14.980 manner

01:15:15.240 so

01:15:15.980 that

01:15:16.280 wherever

01:15:17.200 I

01:15:17.460 went

01:15:17.760 in

01:15:18.360 the

01:15:18.460 world

01:15:18.840 perfect

01:15:20.460 strangers

01:15:21.000 would

01:15:21.300 come

01:15:21.480 up

01:15:21.660 to

01:15:21.780 me

01:15:22.040 one

01:15:23.040 after

01:15:23.300 the

01:15:23.520 other

01:15:23.760 and

01:15:24.920 tell

01:15:25.140 me

01:15:25.480 that

01:15:26.140 they're

01:15:27.560 suffering

01:15:28.020 much

01:15:28.340 less

01:15:28.740 that

01:15:29.860 their

01:15:30.060 families

01:15:30.480 are

01:15:30.680 in

01:15:30.800 better

01:15:31.020 shape

01:15:31.380 and

01:15:32.460 that

01:15:32.600 their

01:15:32.760 lives

01:15:33.020 are

01:15:33.180 on

01:15:33.360 course

01:15:33.700 because

01:15:34.140 they

01:15:34.820 took

01:15:35.080 to

01:15:37.620 heart

01:15:37.860 something

01:15:39.080 that

01:15:39.380 I

01:15:39.500 was

01:15:39.660 communicating

01:15:40.300 that's

01:15:41.720 as

01:15:41.840 good

01:15:42.020 as

01:15:42.160 it

01:15:42.300 gets

01:15:42.660 as

01:15:44.000 far

01:15:44.200 as

01:15:44.320 I

01:15:44.460 can

01:15:44.600 tell

01:15:44.900 I

01:16:09.020 really

01:16:09.460 I don't

01:16:10.240 want to

01:16:10.480 ask

01:16:10.740 anything

01:16:11.140 else

01:16:11.560 I

01:16:12.360 think

01:16:12.720 this

01:16:13.000 was

01:16:13.160 so

01:16:13.400 powerful

01:16:13.940 and

01:16:15.480 if

01:16:15.640 that

01:16:15.840 didn't

01:16:16.180 prove

01:16:16.620 my

01:16:16.880 instinct

01:16:17.340 is

01:16:17.580 right

01:16:17.940 nothing

01:16:19.800 will

01:16:20.280 Jordan

01:16:20.840 Peterson

01:16:21.380 you

01:16:22.820 are

01:16:23.040 a

01:16:23.220 good

01:16:23.400 man

01:16:23.800 you

01:16:24.940 are

01:16:25.100 doing

01:16:25.480 a

01:16:25.740 lot

01:16:25.920 of

01:16:26.080 good

01:16:26.420 I

01:16:27.260 thank

01:16:27.720 God

01:16:28.140 he

01:16:28.380 made

01:16:28.640 you

01:16:29.260 thank

01:16:29.960 you

01:16:30.220 if

01:16:40.200 you

01:16:40.300 found

01:16:40.500 this

01:16:40.680 conversation

01:16:41.180 meaningful

01:16:41.680 you

01:16:42.120 might

01:16:42.300 think

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The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast - July 07, 2019

On Claiming Belief in God： Commentary & Discussion with Dennis Prager

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