Risk Being a Fool： A 12 Rules for Life Lecture
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In Episode 28 of the Jordan B. Peterson Podcast, Jordan's daughter Mikayla talks about her father's recent trip to rehab, and how she and her family are coping with the aftermath of her mom's terminal cancer diagnosis. Dr. Jordan Peterson's new series, "Risk Being a Fool: 12 Rules for Life: A 12 Rules For Life Lecture," is a new series that could be a lifeline for those battling depression and anxiety. With decades of experience helping patients, Dr. Peterson offers a unique understanding of why you might be feeling this way, and a roadmap towards healing. He provides a roadmap toward healing, showing that while the journey isn't easy, it's absolutely possible to find your way forward. If you're suffering, please know you are not alone. There's hope, and there's a path to feeling better. Go to Dailywire Plus now and start watching Dr. B.P. Peterson's series on Depression and Anxiety. Let this be the first step towards the brighter future you deserve. Dr. P. Peterson: Let This Be the First Step towards the Bright Future You Deserve. Subscribe to Daily Wire Plus to get immediate access to all the latest episodes of The Jordan Peterson Podcast and more information about his new series. Subscribe today using the promo code POWER10 for 10% off your first month of Daily Wire plus membership! Subscribe and receive a FREE copy of his new book, POWER10, Power 10, available in Kindle, iBook, Paperback, Hardcover, and Hardcover! Subscribe on Audible, Kindle, and Podchaser, and subscribe to the epsiode, and much more! Learn more about your ad choices! Download a copy of the book, Kindle, Podchronicity, and Kindle, wherever else you re listening to the podcast? Download the book of your choice, and make sure to check out the podcast on the podcast, and review it on your favorite podcast, subscribe to it on the Podchival, and leave us a review and subscribe on the podchival and more of your favourite podcasting app! You can also become a fellow disciple of the PodChivalrousous podcasting platform, and more like it s a review, or share it on Apple Podcasts, wherever you get a review? You get a chance to win a review on iTunes, subscribe on itunes, and learn more about what s going to get it?
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Hey everyone, real quick before you skip, I want to talk to you about something serious and important.
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Dr. Jordan Peterson has created a new series that could be a lifeline for those battling depression and anxiety.
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We know how isolating and overwhelming these conditions can be, and we wanted to take a moment to reach out to those listening who may be struggling.
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With decades of experience helping patients, Dr. Peterson offers a unique understanding of why you might be feeling this way in his new series.
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He provides a roadmap towards healing, showing that while the journey isn't easy, it's absolutely possible to find your way forward.
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If you're suffering, please know you are not alone. There's hope, and there's a path to feeling better.
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Go to Daily Wire Plus now and start watching Dr. Jordan B. Peterson on depression and anxiety.
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Let this be the first step towards the brighter future you deserve.
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Welcome to Season 2, Episode 28 of the Jordan B. Peterson Podcast.
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I'm Mikayla Peterson, Dad's daughter and collaborator.
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This is a podcast from Westbury, New York, recorded on September 6th, 2018.
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We're going to get back to interviews as quickly as possible.
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I'm currently in New York, visiting my dad, who has checked himself into rehab to get off of a prescribed anti-anxiety drug that he started taking when mom was diagnosed with terminal cancer.
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Turns out it's very difficult to get off of without having physical withdrawal.
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If this recording doesn't sound ideal, it's because I'm in New York visiting my dad.
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So, interviews at the moment for the podcast are kind of out of the question.
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If you want to hear how my mom is doing and how my dad is doing, please go to my YouTube page or type in Peterson Family Update September 2019 into YouTube.
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Don't worry, everything's fine, but there's more information on YouTube in that video.
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We're okay, we just need a bit of time to get back on our feet after all the stress that we had to deal with following mom's diagnosis.
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I've named this podcast, Risk Being a Fool, a 12 Rules for Life lecture.
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It's sort of like the anti-Twitter, I would say.
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Yeah, so, well, thank you very much for the kind welcome.
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It's surreal to have Dave Rubin introduce Eric Weinstein, the mathematician, so he can come out here and sing a Doors song to you and then play the harmonica.
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I don't know what universe that makes sense in, but apparently it's this one.
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So, I don't know what to make of that except it's very amusing and it's very good that things can be amusing from time to time.
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It's nice to have Dave along to add some levity to the situation in the Q&A as well because I think that no matter how serious the topics that you're talking about, if you can't maintain a sense of humor about it, then something has gone seriously wrong, right?
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And I think something's gone seriously wrong, I suppose, to the degree that we are increasingly unable to tolerate comedians.
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They won't come to speak at campuses, for example, it's not really a very good thing, even mainstream comedians like Jerry Seinfeld.
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Okay, so, I use these opportunities, privileges, because it's a privilege to come here and speak to all of you, to further my thinking about whatever it is that I happen to be thinking about.
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And, you know, Dave was talking about ideas, and there's two things that are sort of relevant when you're talking about ideas.
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One is, I think, the ideas that you bring forward, but the other is the engagement in the process of generating ideas, and that's actually more important.
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And I really think that that's what you need to do if you're speaking with people.
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I mean, you do that in a conversation, you don't want to just trot out the same old things you've been thinking about for the last ten years, you know?
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There's something stale and dead about that. You want to be pushing the envelope with what you think.
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And that's a good hint if you want to speak publicly, or if you want to speak in a manner that's interesting, is you have to take a bit of a risk, you know?
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Otherwise, you fall back on your notes, and then you're like your own tape recorder. Or, it gets even worse, you might become your own parody, you know?
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Because you keep imitating your past successes, or your past lack of failure, which is even a worse thing to imitate.
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It's better to take a risk. And then that's kind of exciting, because, well, it's exciting to be the speaker, because you don't know what the hell is going to happen.
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Because I never know backstage. I don't even really know what I'm going to talk about when I come out.
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Like, you know, I sit back in the dressing room for forty-five minutes, and I think about what it is that I'm thinking about.
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And I have some sense of the direction that I want to go in, but I don't know exactly how it's going to go when I come out on stage.
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And so, that gives me some rather anxiety-provoking moments. I usually have at least one small panic attack before I come on stage.
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They don't last that long, but they're there. But, but I don't think you can do anything worthwhile without risk.
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And I can bloody well tell you that you can't think without risk. That's for sure.
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Because if you're thinking without risk, then you're not thinking about anything important.
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And if you're not thinking about anything important, well, the first issue is, well, why the hell bother then?
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Why bother thinking? And second, you're not thinking, if you're not thinking about something important.
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And if it's going to be important, it's going to be contentious. And you know, that's part of the reason why free speech is so important.
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Because you have to be able to stumble around blindly like an idiot while you're trying to figure out difficult things.
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Because otherwise, you'll never get a chance to figure them out.
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Because you're not going to bloody well get it right the first time. That's for sure.
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And so, there's a lot of idiocy on the way to wisdom. And you have to be, you have to understand that.
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If you're going to allow your society to proceed with any degree of certainty.
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I've been writing the second volume, I suppose, of 12 rules for life.
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Which is provisionally called, 12 more rules for life.
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Which is, took a long time to come up with that one, I'll tell you.
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And in the first chapter, I have an image at the beginning of each chapter.
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And the image that I chose, the first image I chose was a yin-yang symbol.
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And the second image I chose was the fool card from the tarot.
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And it shows this kind of prince looking like guy, young guy.
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He's looking up in the clouds and he's got a little dog with him.
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Sun's shining behind him and he's about to step off a cliff.
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And yet, he's willing to step off the cliff.
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And the fool, the fool is a complicated image.
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You know, the fool is the court jester who tells the truth even to the king.
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Right, so sometimes the jester is the only person that can tell the truth.
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And that's actually the role that comedians play.
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Is they can say what everyone else is thinking.
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You know, because a good comedian says something that you think.
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Right, if you can tolerate people who poke at you.
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Especially if you have a position of power.
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And so, Carl Jung regarded the fool as the precursor to the savior.
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And the reason is that you can't advance unless you're willing to make a fool of yourself.
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Because in order to advance, you have to transform yourself into a beginner.
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Right, because you have to do something new in order to advance.
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And if you're not good at it, then you have to do it badly.
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And if you're going to do it badly, well then you're going to be a bit of a fool.
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But if you're not willing to do things badly and be a bit of a fool, then you don't get any better.
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And so, unless you're willing to be a fool, then you can't be redeemed.
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So, that's a good thing to know whenever you're thinking about how foolish you're going to look when you try something new.
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It's like, well, you want to try something new because what there is of you right now isn't enough.
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Unless the life of people around you that you love is perfect.
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And if you're going to be something new, then you have to risk being a fool.
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And then maybe that will move you to the next stage.
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And so, that's that perverse meeting of opposites, you know.
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So, I'm willing to come out on stage and risk being a fool, I suppose.
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Because, at least to some degree, in principle, that's the pathway to wisdom.
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And it's better to come out and see if you can discover some new truths rather than just reiterate truths you think you already know.
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I don't know if ever, if you're reiterating truths that you already know, I don't ever know if that's actually true.
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Whatever truth is, is very difficult to get your hands on it.
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It's not like you can just write down the truth in a list and have the list be permanent.
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I think it's something akin to writing the line between chaos and order.
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Which is why I used the yin and yang symbol as well in that chapter.
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Because, if you're in the right place at the right time, doing the right thing.
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Then, you kind of have one foot where you're secure and you know what you're doing.
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And you have the other foot where you don't know what you're doing.
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And there's something about that, that embodies the truth.
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And I think the deepest truth is actually a truth of process.
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Like, it's the truth that you engage in when you sit down with someone that you love.
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And you have a difficult discussion about something important.
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When you're actually trying to solve a problem so that you can make things better.
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Because, well first of all you have to admit that you have a problem.
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Then you have to both actually want to work towards the solution.
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Because people aren't able to sit down and say what they think.
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And risk the terrible conflict that goes along with actually saying who it is that you are.
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But that's where you find the truth by doing that.
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Maybe that's what keeps you going through life.
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Well there's many many things I can't figure out.
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Exactly why the book I wrote has become so popular.
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And I can't figure out why so many people are coming out to listen to me speak.
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I've been trying to take this part very carefully to get it right.
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And I think part of it is a mere consequence of technology.
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And it's not like we've exactly got it mastered.
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We've developed all these new technologies in the last five years.
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And we try these massive large scale social experiments.
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I mean YouTube itself is an absolutely staggering revolution.
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It took about three years of playing with YouTube.
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YouTube allows the spoken word to have the same reach.
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That actually turns out to be something pretty damn terrifying.
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From what I've been able to glean from my conversations with him.
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Probably makes him the most powerful interviewer who's ever lived.
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else is perceiving. And that's terribly dangerous. Because you don't want to be wandering around in a world
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where no one else is looking at things the way you are. Right? Now maybe you're a spectacular genius
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and you're on the cutting edge and all of that. But you're still going to suffer for that. But probably
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not. Probably you're just unbelievably alienated or edging towards psychosis. And even if you're
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correct and everybody else is wrong, it's not like that's going to be a comfortable place to be.
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That's for sure. And you can tell that by how fast people backtrack online when they're mobbed on
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Twitter. Right? They put something forward and say, well, here's what I think. And there's like mob.
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And they go, whoa, no, I don't think that. Sorry. You know, I've also been fascinated by that.
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Because one of the things I learned as a clinical psychologist is, you know, I often had clients
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who had been backed into a corner by people who were very malevolent and were trying to discredit
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them in various ways. And various, like various subtle and intelligent and pernicious ways.
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Right? To undermine them. And one of the things I noticed was that people were very bad at mounting
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their own defense. You know, so I spent two years with one client. Someone I worked with in a consulting
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firm. And she had, she worked in a consulting firm. And she had moved in from another firm
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with a big client. And when she moved into the new firm, someone undermined her with her client and
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then took it. And then made up a story that she was neurotically insane. Partly because she objected
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to the theft. Right? And this person was very, very effective at doing this. And he was winning
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the battle. He was blackening her reputation in a very effective way. And it took like two years
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to mount a defense for her to get the story straightened back out. Even in her own head. Right?
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Because she wasn't sure what the reality was. Because it had got so twisted. It was then that I realized
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that partly then how difficult it is to presume innocence instead of guilt even on your own behalf.
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And then I also realized what an absolute bloody miracle it is that we have a legal system where
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the fundamental presumption is one of innocence. You think, well that's self-evident. It's like,
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believe me man, that is not self-evident. If ten people go after you and they say you're guilty,
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you're gonna have a hell of a time disagreeing with it. Now maybe you're one ornery son of a bitch.
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And you can tell everybody to screw off. In which case you probably have your own problems.
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But, well, because that doesn't come without a cost. But the idea that you would just
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automatically rise to your own defense if you were attacked unfairly. It's like,
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I wouldn't rely on that presupposition too hard. Because if you were put to the test,
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you may find that that's not the case at all. And that might even be a testament to your
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fundamentally socialized nature. Right? Because like, if a hundred people come after you
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and shake their finger and say you're wrong, you might be wrong.
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And if, you know, you know what I mean. It's like a pure psychopath would just say screw you people.
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Like I don't care what you think. But, you know, we're not really admirers of pure psychopaths.
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And your own sociability might doom you under those circumstances.
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So, anyways, back to the hierarchy idea. Now, so, here's something else that's really interesting about gaze.
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So, not only do we have this interesting finding about the monkeys. They'll look at higher status monkeys more often.
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And look where higher status monkeys look. Which is unbelievably cool. It's such a...
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This is why I love animal experimentalists and ethologists. They come up with these weird little findings.
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And you think, well, who cares if monkeys look where high status monkeys look.
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It's like, no, you don't get it. You're a monkey. Right? And you look where high status monkeys look.
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And that means it's wired into your biology. And to look... And it bears directly on the question of how we determine what constitutes value.
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And it bears directly on the fact that one of the ways that we determine what constitutes value is by coming to a consensus about what's valuable.
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And then having people mark what's valuable by their gaze. So, here's something else that's cool.
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Particularly about human beings. So, we can really see. We can see better than any other animal except predatory birds.
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So, and there's a variety of reasons for that. One of them seems to be that we evolved extremely high resolution vision.
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Comparatively speaking. To detect reptilian predators. That's one of the... It's not the leading theory.
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But it's one of the leading theories about how that was developed. So, I think that's extremely cool.
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But here's something else. So, if you look at human beings eyes.
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They're very particular and peculiar. Because we have an iris that's marked out by the white of the sclera.
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Right? So, you know, you have a pupil. And then you have an iris. And then you have the white of your eyes.
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Other animals don't have that. It's just us. What's the hypothesis?
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Everybody... Every one of your ancestors who had eyes that other people could not read.
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Because one of the things we absolutely want to know about everyone that's around us all the time.
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Is what the hell are they doing with their eyes?
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It's like... Well, think about it. When you look at someone, where do you look?
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You know, you don't look at their neck. Right? You don't look at their shoulder.
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You don't even really look at their face. You look at their eyes. You look at their eyebrows.
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And your face is an emotional display unit. Right? It's unbelievably subtle.
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You know, your facial musculature is so heavily innervated that you can learn to move one neuron in your face.
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That's how high resolution your face is. And so, we're looking at faces to find out what people are interested in.
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And we're looking at what people are interested in so we can figure out what the hell they're up to.
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And so, that's how we understand people. It's so cool.
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So, the way you understand someone, fundamentally, is you look at what they're looking at.
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And then, you look at it. So, you're mimicking them with your body. Right?
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So, if I'm looking at what you're looking at. We're sharing gaze.
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Then we put ourselves in the same psychophysiological position.
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We're after the same thing. And so, then our emotions line up.
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So, imagine that you're playing Monopoly with someone. For example.
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And because you share the aim, then you know what everybody is going to do from a motivational and emotional perspective.
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Because you know that if they roll a double six, that they're going to be happy.
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And if they land on go to jail, that they're going to be unhappy.
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And so, the fact that the goal is shared. And the vision is shared. And the gaze is shared.
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Means the emotions line up. And the motivations line up.
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And as soon as the emotions and motivations line up.
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Then the other people will act like you'll act. And then you can understand them.
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You know, in my country, in Canada. And increasingly in yours. And you better look the hell out about this.
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I can tell you. We've fallen prey in Canada to the doctrine of multiculturalism.
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Right? Which has been the official doctrine in Canada since about 1968.
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And it sounds real nice. You know. That everybody can come to Canada.
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And maintain their culture. And live in peace and harmony.
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Until you realize that people around the world have maintained their culture everywhere.
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And it's not exactly like they've been living in peace and harmony.
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And so, why that would transition out of that tribal state of warfare.
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You know, despite its advantages in terms of diversity.
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Merely because you're now living in the frigid tundra of the northern wasteland.
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You know. To the degree that people can bring their cultures to a new culture.
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And live harmoniously. There's a relationship between them.
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Between that ability to live in peace. And to adopt a common framework. Right?
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A common vision. A common purpose. A common set of goals.
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Because that is actually what unites people in peace.
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And six of them want to have an orgy. And so forth.
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You're just not going to have a coherent party. Right?
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This might be exciting. But it's not going to be.
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There has to. And I think the politicians in my country.
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Have been so damn naive. That they didn't understand.
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That it was the fundamental unifying structures.
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That provided the framework. Within which peace could be had.
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If people brought the diverse beliefs of their various cultures.
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And subordinated them to that overarching framework.
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It's right. So it's yes. You can maintain your culture.
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But you have to act within the boundaries of constitutional belief.
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You can't just. Throw that away. And say it's nothing.
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It's like it's bloody well. Not nothing. That's for sure.
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And to get your aim together. Is the. Is the. Is the hallmark.
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It's the hallmark of peace. And the hallmark also of productivity.
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As far as I can tell. It's something like that. So. Okay. So.
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Alright. So that's a bit of a discussion about. About the idea of aim.
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Now. Now. I'm going to. Start from a different position.
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So. I said. Before this talk. That I was standing backstage.
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Trying to figure out what the hell I was doing.
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Is a consequence of this technological revolution.
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And. One of the things that I've been thinking about. Is that.
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Let's say that. Particularly the value of individuality.
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The core idea is that. I don't care who you are.
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As if your individual identity. Is super ordinate to your group identity.
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Or to the multiplicity of your group identities.
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And that's the proper way of looking at the world.
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Because I know everyone has a group identity. Or multiple group identities.
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That our primary identity. Is a group identity.
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What if you have ten identities. Group identities.
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Because who knows. If there is a way out of that.
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You know. That was discovered by Jane Goodall.
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I would say. The more left leaning anthropologists.
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But as you grow up. You're corrupted by your culture.
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One of the consequences of being corrupted by your culture.
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Is that. Maybe you become aggressive and bitter.
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Grounded in the thinking of Jean-Jacques Rousseau.
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This is a podcast from Westbury New York recorded on September 6th 2018.
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We're going to get back to interviews as quickly as possible.
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Visiting my dad who has checked himself into rehab to get off of a prescribed anti-anxiety
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drug that he started taking when mom was diagnosed with terminal cancer.
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Turns out it's very difficult to get off of without having physical withdrawal.
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If this recording doesn't sound ideal, it's because I'm in New York visiting my dad.
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So, interviews at the moment for the podcast are kind of out of the question.
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If you want to hear how my mom is doing and how my dad is doing, please go to my YouTube
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Don't worry, everything's fine, but there's more information on YouTube in that video.
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We're okay, we just need a bit of time to get back on our feet after all the stress
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It's sort of like the anti-Twitter, I would say.
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Yeah, so, well, thank you very much for the kind welcome.
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It's surreal to be here, well, it's surreal to be doing all of this.
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It's surreal to have Dave Rubin introduce Eric Weinstein, the mathematician,
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so he can come out here and sing a Doors song to you and then play the harmonica.
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I don't know what universe that makes sense in, but apparently it's this one.
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So, I don't know what to make of that except it's very amusing
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and it's very good that things can be amusing from time to time.
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It's nice to have Dave along to add some levity to the situation in the Q&A as well,
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because I think that no matter how serious the topics that you're talking about,
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if you can't maintain a sense of humor about it, then something has gone seriously wrong, right?
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And I think something's gone seriously wrong, I suppose,
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to the degree that we are increasingly unable to tolerate comedians.
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They won't come to speak at campuses, for example,
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and it's not really a very good thing, even mainstream comedians like Jerry Seinfeld.
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So, okay, so I use these opportunities, privileges,
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because it's a privilege to come here and speak to all of you,
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to further my thinking about whatever it is that I happen to be thinking about.
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and there's two things that are sort of relevant when you're talking about ideas.
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One is, I think, the ideas that you bring forward,
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but the other is the engagement in the process of generating ideas,
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and I really think that that's what you need to do if you're speaking with people.
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You don't want to just trot out the same old things you've been thinking about for the last ten years, you know?
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You want to be pushing the envelope with what you think.
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And that's a good hint, if you want to speak publicly,
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or if you want to speak in a manner that's interesting,
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Otherwise, you fall back on your notes, and then you're like your own tape recorder.
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Or, it gets even worse, you might become your own parody, you know?
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Because you keep imitating your past successes, or your past lack of failure,
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And then that's kind of exciting, because, well, it's exciting to be the speaker,
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because you don't know what the hell is going to happen,
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I don't even really know what I'm going to talk about when I come out.
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Like, you know, I sit back in the dressing room for 45 minutes,
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and I think about what it is that I'm thinking about,
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and I have some sense of the direction that I want to go in,
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but I don't know exactly how it's going to go when I come out on stage.
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And so, that gives me some rather anxiety-provoking moments.
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I usually have at least one small panic attack before I come on stage.
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But, I don't think you can do anything worthwhile without risk.
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And I can bloody well tell you that you can't think without risk.
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That's for sure, because if you're thinking without risk,
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then you're not thinking about anything important.
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And if you're not thinking about anything important,
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well, the first issue is, well, why the hell bother then?
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And second, you're not thinking if you're not thinking about something important.
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And if it's going to be important, it's going to be contentious.
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And you know, that's part of the reason why free speech is so important,
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because you have to be able to stumble around blindly like an idiot
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while you're trying to figure out difficult things,
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because otherwise you'll never get a chance to figure them out.
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Because you're not going to bloody well get it right the first time, that's for sure.
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And so there's a lot of idiocy on the way to wisdom.
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And you have to be, you have to understand that,
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if you're going to allow your society to proceed with any degree of certainty.
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I've been writing the second volume, I suppose, of Twelve Rules for Life,
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which is provisionally called Twelve More Rules for Life.
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It took a long time to come up with that one, I'll tell you.
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And in the first chapter, I have an image at the beginning of each chapter.
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And the image that I chose, the first image I chose was a yin-yang symbol,
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The second image I chose was the Fool card from the tarot.
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And it shows this kind of prince looking like guy, young guy.
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He's looking up in the clouds and he's got a little dog with him.
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Sun is shining behind him and he's about to step off a cliff.
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It's a very paradoxical image because he's a good-looking kid
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and he looks like he knows what he's doing and the day is bright
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and so that signifies consciousness and yet he's willing to step off the cliff.
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And the Fool is a complicated image, you know.
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The Fool is the court jester who tells the truth even to the king
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So sometimes the jester is the only person that can tell the truth
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And that's actually the role that comedians play
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is they can say what everyone else is thinking.
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Because a good comedian says something that you think
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well then you have a reasonably free society, right.
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And so, Carl Jung regarded the Fool as the precursor to the Savior.
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And the reason is that you can't advance unless you're willing to make a fool of yourself.
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Because in order to advance you have to transform yourself into a beginner, right.
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Because you have to do something new in order to advance.
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And if you're not good at it then you have to do it badly.
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And if you're going to do it badly, well then you're going to be a bit of a fool.
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But if you're not willing to do things badly and be a bit of a fool then you don't get any better.
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And so, unless you're willing to be a fool then you can't be redeemed.
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So, that's a good thing to know whenever you're thinking about
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how foolish you're going to look when you try something new.
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It's like, well, you want to try something new.
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Because what there is of you right now isn't enough.
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Unless the life of people around you that you love is perfect.
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And if you're going to be something new then you have to risk being a fool.
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And then maybe that will move you to the next stage.
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And so that's that perverse meeting of opposites, you know.
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So, I'm willing to come out on stage and risk being a fool.
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I suppose because at least to some degree in principle that's the pathway to wisdom.
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And it's better to come out and see if you can discover some new truths.
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Rather than just reiterate truths you think you already know.
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I don't know if ever if you're reiterating truth that you already know.
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Whatever truth is, is very difficult to get your hands on it.
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It's not like you can just write down the truth in a list and have the list be permanent.
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I think it's something akin to riding the line between chaos and order.
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Which is why I used the yin and yang symbol as well in that chapter.
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Because if you're in the right place at the right time doing the right thing.
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Then you kind of have one foot where you're secure and you know what you're doing.
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And you have the other foot where you don't know what you're doing.
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And there's something about that that embodies the truth.
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And I think the deepest truth is actually a truth of process.
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Like it's the truth that you engage in when you sit down with someone that you love.
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And you have a difficult discussion about something important.
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When you're actually trying to solve a problem.
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Then you have to both actually want to work towards the solution.
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I mean this is where many marriages fail unfortunately.
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Maybe that's what keeps you going through life.
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of the same species, then a monkey will look at something that a high-status monkey is looking at
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in preference to something that a low-status monkey is looking at.
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Now that's an interesting thing, eh? Because you might think, well,
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how do you determine what it is that's important?
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Which is maybe what you should focus your gaze on, or what you should focus your aim at.
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And one of the clues to that might be, well, what do people who have a choice decide to focus on?
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And then the question there would be, well, who are the people that have a choice?
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And the answer to that would be, well, people who are higher in the status hierarchy.
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And so what you want to do is you want to look at the things that people who are high in status hierarchies look at.
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Because that's a clue to what's worth looking at. Why?
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Well, it's a clue because obviously they're looking at the right things or they wouldn't be high-status.
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And it's also a clue because if they're high-status and they're looking at something,
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then that's an indication that someone of high-status values that thing.
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And even if the thing isn't intrinsically valuable, the hierarchy is determined that it's valuable
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and it would probably be worth your time to pursue that thing.
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Because everyone else has decided that it's valuable.
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Are you going to pursue a bunch of things that everyone else doesn't think is valuable?
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And this is part of the hint about the structure that structures perception.
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And then this is how the marketplace, in some sense, the marketplace of public opinion
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is integrally associated with the structure that enables you to extract value from the facts of the world.
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The hierarchy that we produce socially is the same as the hierarchy that we use to perceive the world.
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And I think that part of the reason that people dislike having their belief structures disrupted so much,
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because we really hate having our belief structures disrupted,
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is because if your belief structure is disrupted,
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then it disrupts the structure that you use to perceive the world.
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And it disrupts the concordance between your perception and what everybody else is perceiving.
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because you don't want to be wandering around in a world
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where no one else is looking at things the way you are.
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and you're on the cutting edge and all of that,
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Probably you're just unbelievably alienated or edging towards psychosis.
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And even if you're correct and everybody else is wrong,
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it's not like that's going to be a comfortable place to be.
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And you can tell that by how fast people backtrack online when they're mobbed on Twitter.
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because one of the things I learned as a clinical psychologist is,
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I often had clients who had been backed into a corner by people,
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and were trying to discredit them in various ways.
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And one of the things I noticed was that people were very bad at mounting their own defense.
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and then made up a story that she was neurotically insane.
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And this person was very, very effective at doing this.
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He was blackening her reputation in a very effective way.
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And it took like two years to mount a defense for her.
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And it was then that I realized that, partly then,
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how difficult it is to presume innocence instead of guilt,
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And then I also realized what an absolute bloody miracle it is
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that we have a legal system where the fundamental presumption
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It's like, believe me man, that is not self-evident.
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If ten people go after you and they say you're guilty,
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you're going to have a hell of a time disagreeing with them.
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Now maybe you're one ornery son of a bitch.
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In which case you probably have your own problems.
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But, well, because that doesn't come without a cost.
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But the idea that you would just automatically rise to your own defense
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It's like, I wouldn't rely on that presupposition too hard.
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Because if you were put to the test, you may find that that's not the case at all.
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And that might even be a testament to your fundamentally socialized nature.
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Because like, if a hundred people come after you and shake their finger and say you're wrong.
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It's like a pure psychopath would just say, screw you people.
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But, you know, we're not really admirers of pure psychopaths.
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And your own sociability might doom you under those circumstances.
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Now, so, here's something else that's really interesting about gaze.
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So, not only do we have this interesting finding about the monkeys.
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This is why I love animal experimentalists and ethologists.
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And you think, well, who cares if monkeys look where high status monkeys look.
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And to look, and it bears directly on the question of how we determine what constitutes value.
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And it bears directly on the fact that one of the ways that we determine what constitutes value.
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Is by coming to a consensus about what's valuable.
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And then having people mark what's valuable by their gaze.
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We can see better than any other animal except predatory birds.
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One of them seems to be that we evolved extremely high resolution vision.
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That's one of the, it's not the leading theory.
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But it's one of the leading theories about how that was developed.
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Because we have an iris that's marked out by the white of the sclera.
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Because one of the things we absolutely want to know about.
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Is what the hell are they doing with their eyes?
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You don't even, you don't even really look at their face.
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You know, your facial musculature is so heavily innervated.
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That you can learn to move one neuron in your face.
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That's how, that's how high resolution your face is.
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And we're looking at what people are interested in.
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So we can figure out what the hell they're up to.
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So, the way you understand someone fundamentally.
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Then we put ourselves in the same psychophysiological position.
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So imagine that you're playing monopoly with someone.
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Because you know that if they roll a double six.
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And as soon as the emotions and motivations line up.
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Then the other people will act like you'll act.
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Which has been the official doctrine in Canada.
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And it's not exactly like they've been living in peace and harmony.
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Because that is actually what unites people in peace.
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You're just not going to have a coherent party.
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And I think the politicians in my country.
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Because we know what Marxism did in the 20th century.
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The analysis of what happened on the radical left.
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That it was the bourgeoisie against the proletariat.
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Is because they took it from people who were poor.
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But that doesn't mean that all people who are wealthy.
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Because you have more than some other person has.
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Then to the degree that you have more than someone else.
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You don't know very much about what happened in places like.
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Because really what happened as the Russian revolution progressed.
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That because of your multiple group identities.
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I can find one dimension along which you're clearly bourgeois.
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And that's where you get down to the bedrock of things.
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And we want them solved in an efficient manner.
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How about we get stupid and lazy people to solve them?
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And there's actually a fair bit of truth to both of those.
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Which is the trait that's associated with hard work and diligence.
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It's like 50% of the variability in trait conscientiousness.
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Looks like it's attributable to genetic factors.
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And it isn't easy to know what to make of that.
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Does that still mean we should reward people who work harder?
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But the literature indicates that you can predict conscientiousness using genetic analysis.
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So there's something about it that's kind of arbitrary.
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But that seems to me to some degree beside the point.
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What we want to do is produce hierarchies that devote resources to the people who are most likely to solve the problems.
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And the best bet we have is to final resources to people who are smart and competent.
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It's not like you really want to argue about that.
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You're going to hope there's a hierarchy of surgeons.
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And you're going to hope you have access to the information about that hierarchy.
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And you're going to hope that the damn surgeon who operates on your brain is smart and competent.
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And maybe you're willing to pay a premium for that.
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And that actually turns out generally to matter to people.
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And this is supported by the relevant scientific literature.
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Because animals when they aggregate into hierarchies.
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Because there are massive differences in people's competence.
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We made this instrument called the creative achievement questionnaire.
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Indicating how many creative things you've achieved in your life.
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But actual things you've done that are creative.
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We identified 13 domains of creative achievement.
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And then we had experts rank order different levels of attainment within those domains.
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I have no training or recognized talent in this area.
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On the 13 dimensional creative achievement questionnaire.
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And then a tiny fraction of people were just hyper creative.
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That's what I've been thinking about for about a month.
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It should have been the New York Times headline.
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And I think this is how the religious conception.
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I think that if you want to move forward in life properly.
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One of the best things that you can possibly do.
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It's like, no it's not. There's something absolutely fundamental, truly ethical, right at its core.
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Something that has to do with the proper aim and something that has to do with fair play.
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And something that has to do with the desire to set the world straight and to ameliorate suffering.
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And that's really at its core. This is partly why I've been arguing about religion with Sam Harris.
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Because one of the things I think, you know, in the West we formulated the idea of the divine individual.
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You see that most explicitly in Christianity. Because in Christianity at the core there is a divine individual.
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And I think about that psychologically. It's an image.
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It's like that's the image of the perfect thing that you should strive to be.
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And the idea is that what you should strive to be is the perfect individual that you could be.
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And is that divine? It's like, well it's the highest value.
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That's a good definition of what constitutes divine. Even if you just keep it secular.
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You know, you say, what's the best that mortal primates like us can manage?
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We've extracted out this image over thousands of years.
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And to the degree that our hierarchies reflect that.
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Then we can actually address the problems that we have.
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We can ameliorate suffering. We can constrain malevolence.
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We can do that practically. So we can actually make things better in the world.
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Just like you make things better when you feed your children.
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Because if you take on the burden of addressing suffering.
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You take on those problems as if they're your own.
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The fact that you're striving to solve a problem.
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Because that imbues your life with sufficient meaning.
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So that you can tolerate the suffering that's an intrinsic part of it.
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And I think that one of the things I learned from reading Jung.
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Is that we have to wake up to these sorts of things.
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Is that we're unconscious in our religious presuppositions.
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Because everyone's always telling you what you should be.
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They're trying to call forward out of you that ideal.
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And that ideal is the identification of the ideal.
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The sovereign individual with the responsibility to take on the suffering of the world.
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I think it was called Invitation to the Intellectual Dark Web.
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And one of the things Greg is doing, which I think is really cool, is he's...
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He has the opportunity to train political candidates for the diaspora.
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On 1 сд it was Ellerung too, in a few months where I see smoke-carri però, won't it else.
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I think it was called Invitation to the Intellectual Dark Web.
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And so he's trained a whole bunch of them who are running in different elections.
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And he's trying to restructure the central message of the Democratic Party.
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And he's actually producing ads. He's got permission.
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Not only to do this from major players in the Democratic Party.
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Which is really, well who knows, it's as strange as having Eric play the harmonica on stage here.
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He was a student of mine at Harvard years and years ago.
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And it's about this kind of superhero like guy named Evan Smoke.
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And he drinks expensive vodka of various sorts.
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And Greg just thought that would be an interesting detail in the book.
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And so he has him drink these spectacularly expensive and high-end distillery.
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Distillery, you know, private distillery, small private distillery vodkas.
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And the companies that make the vodkas turned out to be thrilled about it.
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Now you could be cynical and say that he knew that would happen.
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And so now he's like swamped with high-end vodka.
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And so, and you know, luckily I trust him a lot.
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So, because I'm not in a situation where I can afford to really drink anything.
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Because I can't say anything that I shouldn't say.
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Did Sam Harris move you on any specific issue during your debates?
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Look, it's not like I don't understand and appreciate Sam's argument.
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You know, so it's not like everything he says doesn't fill me with doubt.
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You know, and the, like what Sam, Sam is a mouthpiece for the rationalist,
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challenge to the traditional religious world view.
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Because we're all mouthpieces to some degree for ideas that have lengthy developmental histories.
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And there's no doubt that the materialist viewpoint.
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Mounts an insanely potent challenge to even the idea that life is intrinsically meaningful.
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But, and it's not like that doesn't, that I, that doesn't affect me.
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You know, people say, well do you believe in God?
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It's like, good, you find someone who's absolutely certain.
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You're not going to find anyone who's absolutely certain.
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Because that's just what it's like to be human.
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It's like, hopefully I made my argument sharper.
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Because, as powerful as his position is, it's certainly not complete.
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Because we don't know everything about the world.
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And I think the science indicates that it's wrong.
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So, for example, I laid this out pretty carefully in 12 rules for life.
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It's based in what the Russian neuropsychologist called the orienting reflex.
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It's represented at multiple levels in your brain.
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And out of that springs the apprehension of meaning.
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And I believe that that is a valid guide to being.
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And I believe that that valid guide to meaning is expressed as clearly as we can express it.
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Because he presents himself as a neuroscientist.
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Although I had to sharpen my arguments in relationship.
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But it's certainly the case that that materialist atheist framework is incredibly potent.
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I've been trying to figure out how to deal with that.
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I wish you guys could all experience what it's like to have Jordan staring at you directly in the eyes.
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Be nice to have a little more sympathy for the people who.
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Don't let your children do anything that makes you dislike them.
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She was trying to crib train Scarlet last week.
1.00
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She'll go to sleep when you put her in the crib.
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And then your child doesn't have parents that divorce.
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Then maybe you won't be horrible to your children.
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the mill. How about that, the father and son that came backstage a couple months ago, they
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said they hadn't, the father said he hadn't seen his son, I think in about five years,
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and somehow it came to be that they both read 12 Rules for Life, and that was the first
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night that they had seen each other. Yeah, that was good. That's powerful. That was good,
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man, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, well, and some of this is a real, some of this is a tremendous adventure,
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you know, like all of this technological change, the sorts of things that you're doing online
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with your talk show, and like these are having widespread cultural impact, and so that's
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a bloody amazing, and so, well, life is an adventure if you're lucky, that's about the
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best you can hope for, and this is certainly an adventure, that's for sure, so hooray for
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that. That right there seems like the right ending. Should we end it right there or one
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more? Was there any chance? Get out of here. All right, all right, this is a good one.
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It's better than a barrage of fruit. It's Long Island, they throw bagels.
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Pizza. Or pizza. Man, the carbs in this town, Jesus. I live in LA now, I'm doing this paleo
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thing. I gained about 27 pounds today. I like this one. This is a good ending. What would
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a younger Jordan Peterson think of the guy sitting here tonight? We could have got out
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of here a minute ago, but yeah. Hmm. I would think he'd think that he got what he wanted.
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On that note, guys, it's been a pleasure coming back to Long Island and doing this for you guys.
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I am going to get out of the way, make some noise for Dr. Jordan Peterson, everybody. Thank you very
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much. It's a pleasure being here and I appreciate very much you coming out. So good night.
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If you found this conversation meaningful, you might think about picking up dad's books,
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Maps of Meaning, The Architecture of Belief, or his newer bestseller, 12 Rules for Life,
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An Antidote to Chaos. Both of these works delve much deeper into the topics covered in the Jordan
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