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00:00:57.420 Welcome to Season 2, Episode 37 of the Jordan B. Peterson Podcast.

00:01:02.140 I'm Mikayla Peterson, Dad's daughter and collaborator.

00:01:05.200 Today's episode is a 12 Rules for Life lecture, recorded in Zurich on January 19th, 2019.

00:01:12.000 I've named it The Struggle Between Chaos and Order.

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00:03:01.940 The Struggle Between Chaos and Order

00:03:07.040 A Jordan B. Peterson 12 Rules for Life Lecture

00:03:09.980 Thank you.

00:03:15.420 It's good to see that you outnumber the protesters.

00:03:28.080 It's very nice to be here in Zurich.

00:03:29.900 I'm here for a couple of reasons.

00:03:33.400 One reason, obviously, is to have the opportunity to speak to all of you.

00:03:38.640 But I'm also here, I was here because my daughter had surgery in Switzerland this week.

00:03:44.240 She had an ankle replacement when she was 16.

00:03:48.840 And it didn't work perfectly, although the mechanical joint that was put in worked very

00:03:53.780 well.

00:03:54.040 But her bone structure couldn't handle it exactly right. 0.96

00:03:56.720 And so she hasn't been as mobile as might be optimal over the last 10 years and in a

00:04:03.280 fair bit of pain.

00:04:04.260 And so she tracked down the gentleman, the physician who made the joint.

00:04:09.080 And he's Swiss and works just outside of Basel.

00:04:14.080 Basel?

00:04:16.580 Basel, yes.

00:04:20.180 How embarrassing.

00:04:21.260 And anyways, she had this joint replaced and fixed this week. 0.99

00:04:27.300 And that seemed to have gone very well.

00:04:28.840 So we're quite happy about the quality of Swiss engineering at the moment.

00:04:33.900 So yeah, no kidding.

00:04:41.000 So since I was coming here, I thought I would also take the opportunity to deliver this lecture

00:04:48.940 and see how that went.

00:04:50.740 And today, I talked to a couple of journalists.

00:04:54.980 So one from Die Welt, got that approximately right.

00:04:59.820 Jochen Wegner was the journalist.

00:05:03.480 And he asked me this annoying question.

00:05:07.300 And I didn't give a very good answer.

00:05:09.380 That's why it was annoying.

00:05:10.640 It was a good question.

00:05:11.880 But it was annoying because I didn't give a very good answer.

00:05:14.180 It's a really hard question.

00:05:16.560 And he said, and so I thought I would talk about that tonight.

00:05:19.300 Because it's dead relevant to the substructure of the book, 12 Rules for Life.

00:05:24.920 And it's a crucially important issue.

00:05:27.240 And it's very complicated.

00:05:28.680 And it's not like I understand it very well.

00:05:30.980 That's the thing.

00:05:31.720 It's so hard to grapple with.

00:05:34.980 And he said, in your book, you identify women as chaos and men as order.

00:05:41.960 And why do you do that?

00:05:43.820 And as I said, it was a difficult question.

00:05:47.960 It kind of took me aback.

00:05:49.040 Because it takes a long time to explain that.

00:05:51.980 And I've wrestled with it for a long time.

00:05:53.820 So I'm going to try to answer that question more intelligently.

00:05:57.260 That's what I'm going to try to do that for like 70 minutes.

00:05:59.500 And see if I can come to some more concise conceptualization of that.

00:06:04.940 So the first thing is that I don't think that that's my idea.

00:06:12.520 Like I think that that's my observation.

00:06:15.780 That that's how stories work.

00:06:18.020 Now I could be wrong.

00:06:19.260 It's highly probable.

00:06:20.540 But I have my reasons for thinking this way.

00:06:23.660 And so I don't want to convince you of them.

00:06:26.540 Because I'm actually not that interested in convincing people.

00:06:30.760 Well, I'm interested in figuring things out.

00:06:32.500 And if that people find the way that I figure things out convincing.

00:06:36.040 Well, that's all well and good.

00:06:37.160 But if they don't, well, that's fine too.

00:06:38.700 Because there's always the possibility.

00:06:40.400 In fact, the probability that my thinking has errors in it.

00:06:44.160 And I'm always trying to find out what those errors are.

00:06:46.100 You know, if you have a map.

00:06:47.860 Your thought structure is like a map.

00:06:51.020 And you want your map of the world to be accurate.

00:06:52.980 Because otherwise, when you use your map, you wander into a pit.

00:06:56.040 And unless you're, you know, inclined to wander into a pit.

00:07:00.440 Then it would be better if your map was as accurate as possible.

00:07:03.460 And so you should be trying to find out constantly where you're not so accurate in your mapping.

00:07:08.820 And that's a lot better than trying to convince people.

00:07:11.360 Or trying to convince yourself that you're right.

00:07:13.900 You know, you can convince yourself that you're right.

00:07:16.680 And walk right off the edge of the world.

00:07:18.480 And that's not that helpful.

00:07:20.260 So I'm trying to make my map better, you know.

00:07:23.260 And a tremendous amount of our cognitive structure is something approximating a map.

00:07:31.900 And the reason for that is we have to make our way in the world, right?

00:07:35.800 This is part of the tension between the religious viewpoint, let's say, and the scientific viewpoint.

00:07:40.940 Because the religious viewpoint, part of the dramatic viewpoint, part of the narrative viewpoint,

00:07:46.300 part of the literary viewpoint, it's all associated with stories.

00:07:49.200 It has to do with how you map out the world.

00:07:51.300 And how you make your way in the world.

00:07:52.560 And the scientific domain has to do with the nature of the objective world.

00:07:57.540 And, like, there's truth in both of those approaches.

00:08:00.740 And it isn't obvious how they interrelate.

00:08:03.180 It's also not obvious which truth is the more fundamental.

00:08:10.120 It's certainly the case that you have to contend with the objective world.

00:08:13.280 But it's also certainly the case that you have to make your way as a living creature through the world.

00:08:18.920 And that you need guidelines to do that.

00:08:21.020 And so, I'm interested in the structure of maps.

00:08:26.620 I'm interested in the structure of stories.

00:08:28.220 I think a story and a map are the same thing.

00:08:30.900 That a story is a kind of map.

00:08:32.920 And a story presents you with a compelling way of perceiving the world and acting in it.

00:08:40.280 Okay, and now, so, that doesn't seem to be too contentious, that idea.

00:08:45.840 Why else?

00:08:46.560 You wouldn't listen to a story if it wasn't compelling.

00:08:48.740 You wouldn't remember if it wasn't compelling.

00:08:50.460 We wouldn't tell each other stories if we weren't compelled by them.

00:08:54.460 We wouldn't be compelled by stories if they weren't useful.

00:08:57.340 Stories present heroes and adversaries in conflict.

00:09:03.540 We obviously imitate people in stories.

00:09:05.740 We tell stories about heroes and anti-heroes.

00:09:07.820 They're targets for emulation and imitation.

00:09:10.700 So, they're guides to existence.

00:09:13.940 That's what a story is.

00:09:15.220 And a story has a moral, which is the point of the story for your perception and action.

00:09:21.220 And so, that seems, I think that's solid, that set of ideas.

00:09:25.260 And a story isn't the same as a scientific description.

00:09:28.680 That's obvious.

00:09:29.480 If you go watch something like Sleeping Beauty, the Disney movie,

00:09:32.200 you don't think that's a scientific treatise.

00:09:34.160 You think it's something else.

00:09:36.320 You don't even think it's true, necessarily.

00:09:39.160 But you go watch it, and there must be some truth to it.

00:09:42.280 It must have some purchase on the world.

00:09:44.100 Because, well, unless you just think it's mindless entertainment.

00:09:46.900 But the question then is, well, why are you entertained in that mindless way?

00:09:50.840 Like, why does that mode of presentation of information grip you?

00:09:54.960 It doesn't really help solve the problem.

00:09:57.760 It's entertaining.

00:09:58.780 I would say the reason that it's entertaining to go see something like a movie

00:10:02.300 is because movies are, the story is so deep and so important

00:10:06.740 that you're actually biologically prepared to enjoy it.

00:10:10.520 It's actually an indication of its depth, the fact that it's entertaining, that it's gripping.

00:10:15.700 And I would say that the most gripping and memorable stories

00:10:19.060 are the ones that get retold and remembered.

00:10:22.180 And our ancient stories are like that.

00:10:24.040 They've been around forever.

00:10:25.800 Well, why?

00:10:27.620 Well, they grip us in some manner.

00:10:29.940 And so we need to understand them.

00:10:34.000 Well, perhaps we don't need to.

00:10:35.800 But it seems useful that we might make the effort to understand them.

00:10:41.100 And so I spent a long time trying to get to the bottom of stories.

00:10:45.140 Because I think stories are at the bottom of the way we think.

00:10:47.900 They're at the bottom of the way we act.

00:10:49.500 We're nested inside stories.

00:10:51.260 You know, even when you talk to someone about your life, you tend to turn it into a story.

00:10:57.160 And so stories are at the bottom.

00:11:01.220 Or they're close to the bottom.

00:11:03.560 And so what's it like down there at the bottom?

00:11:05.940 It's not, the story world isn't the same as the objective world.

00:11:09.800 It has its own characteristic structure.

00:11:14.700 It relies on metaphor, for example.

00:11:18.080 And science doesn't.

00:11:19.260 Science maybe does when you're generating hypotheses.

00:11:21.700 But you're trying to get away from metaphor.

00:11:23.360 You're trying to get to something that's clearer and more objective, whatever that means.

00:11:30.020 Story relies on metaphor.

00:11:32.940 What metaphors?

00:11:34.260 Well, they have to be metaphors you understand.

00:11:36.020 Because otherwise they're not good for anything.

00:11:37.680 So, what are the fundamental metaphors?

00:11:42.460 Alright, so.

00:11:44.620 I think the fundamental metaphors are something like chaos and order.

00:11:49.080 And the force that mediates between them.

00:11:52.060 That's the fundamental narrative structure.

00:11:54.740 And so we might take that apart a little bit.

00:11:56.580 The world's made out of chaos and order.

00:11:58.880 And so what does that mean?

00:12:00.540 It means the way you experience the world.

00:12:03.840 Right?

00:12:04.100 Each of us.

00:12:04.980 It's not really a description of the objective world.

00:12:07.220 It's a description of universal human experience.

00:12:10.360 And so, order.

00:12:11.560 How do you define order?

00:12:12.620 How do you know when you're in order?

00:12:13.900 It's easy.

00:12:14.900 It's not, actually.

00:12:15.760 It's very hard to figure this out.

00:12:16.960 But once you figure it out, it's easy.

00:12:19.180 Order is where you are when what you want is happening.

00:12:23.500 Okay, and that's a really precise definition.

00:12:25.100 I labored over that definition.

00:12:27.320 And it's, for really, for decades.

00:12:29.240 Even though it's so short.

00:12:30.640 Because order isn't what you expect, for example.

00:12:33.780 Which is, psychologists like to think that we predict the world.

00:12:36.700 And that we're trying to make what we expect happen.

00:12:41.420 Because that keeps us stable and calm.

00:12:43.420 You don't want the unexpected to emerge too dramatically.

00:12:46.480 It's like, fair enough.

00:12:47.280 But it isn't that you're running around trying to make the world turn out the way you expect.

00:12:50.720 It's that you're running around trying to make the world turn out the way you want it to turn out.

00:12:55.240 And that's a crucial difference.

00:12:56.720 Because the fact that you want something pulls motivation into the story, right?

00:13:01.720 It makes you more than just a cold, cognitive calculator.

00:13:04.980 It says, well, you're a living thing.

00:13:06.380 There's things you desire and value.

00:13:08.920 And you're trying to make them manifest themselves in the world.

00:13:11.280 And so, how do you know when you're in order?

00:13:12.720 It's like, you act and what you want happens.

00:13:16.340 That doesn't mean you're right.

00:13:17.600 Who knows if you're right?

00:13:19.880 That's a whole different issue.

00:13:22.120 But it means that you're in the domain of order.

00:13:26.380 And how do you know that?

00:13:27.680 Well, here's one way.

00:13:29.020 You're not terrified.

00:13:31.220 Right?

00:13:31.500 You're not anxious.

00:13:32.840 And why not?

00:13:34.160 Well, it's because apparently things are under control.

00:13:38.800 The fact that you're getting what you want indicates that it's the definition of being under control.

00:13:44.780 You know, like if you're talking to someone, you're having a conversation with them.

00:13:48.320 The conversation's going in an engaging manner.

00:13:50.920 It's flowing.

00:13:51.760 It's like, you're not anxious and terrified about that.

00:13:53.700 Because it's working.

00:13:54.720 If you're at a party and you tell a joke and it falls flat.

00:13:57.860 You know, and everyone's embarrassed. 0.70

00:13:59.280 It's like, well, then you'll, if you're not completely psychopathic.

00:14:02.840 You'll be embarrassed as well.

00:14:04.360 And you'll feel, I made some mistake.

00:14:06.020 I don't know where I am.

00:14:07.720 My map is wrong.

00:14:09.620 And then anxiety moves up to grip you and freeze you.

00:14:13.020 Because you're not where you thought you were.

00:14:14.960 You're not in order.

00:14:17.120 Well, where are you when you're not in order?

00:14:18.800 Well, you're in chaos.

00:14:20.600 It's whatever is antithetical to order.

00:14:22.960 And that's where all hell breaks loose.

00:14:25.040 That's chaos.

00:14:26.060 You know?

00:14:26.340 And those are real domains.

00:14:28.280 And it's really useful to know about them.

00:14:29.940 Because you need to know whether you're in order or whether you're in chaos.

00:14:34.460 You need to know, for example, that being in chaos is, like, that's a, what would you call it?

00:14:41.140 That's a, that's a canonical human experience to be in chaos.

00:14:46.620 When you don't get the promotion at work that you've been working on.

00:14:50.120 And you're disappointed and frustrated and things fall apart on you.

00:14:53.120 That's chaos.

00:14:54.020 You know?

00:14:54.460 When someone you love betrays you, that's chaos.

00:14:58.000 When you betray yourself, that's chaos.

00:14:59.920 You know, if there's an earthquake or a flood or a revolution or a riot, that's all chaos.

00:15:06.160 That's a, that's an existential place.

00:15:08.960 And we move between order and chaos constantly in our lives.

00:15:12.860 Hopefully, not catastrophically.

00:15:17.020 And so, so chaos is where you are when what you want is not happening.

00:15:22.720 And then that can happen at different levels, you know?

00:15:24.820 It's like, you can go home in the evening and, and you don't get a warm welcome from your wife.

00:15:30.720 You know, maybe you were hoping for that.

00:15:32.280 And, well, that's a little chaos.

00:15:33.780 It makes you a little anxious.

00:15:34.840 But that's a whole different, that's a whole different than a divorce announcement.

00:15:39.080 Or to come home and find your partner making love with someone else.

00:15:43.880 That's a real catastrophic and cataclysmic descent.

00:15:47.120 Assuming that you wanted the relationship to be maintained.

00:15:49.380 And, you know, maybe, maybe there's a certain amount of, of, of, what would you call it?

00:15:54.720 Self-satisfaction at discovering that if you didn't like the relationship to begin with.

00:15:59.220 But, you know, you know, well, people are complicated, you know?

00:16:03.020 So, and you never know, you might have driven her to it.

00:16:06.200 Or she might have driven you to it.

00:16:07.640 Who, who knows?

00:16:08.520 Because we're certainly capable of doing those sorts of things.

00:16:10.720 Just for the joy of having the martyrdom.

00:16:13.180 And, you know, so, the great stories talk about chaos and order.

00:16:20.920 You know, they talk about the movement between those two.

00:16:23.320 Even more importantly.

00:16:24.500 So, the story of Exodus, for example.

00:16:26.840 Moses.

00:16:28.120 The story of Moses and Exodus.

00:16:29.860 Everyone, virtually everyone knows that story.

00:16:31.640 The order is Egypt. 0.90

00:16:33.180 Initially, that's a tyranny.

00:16:34.480 Because order can be tyrannical.

00:16:35.860 There can be too much of it.

00:16:38.100 And so, the Israelites escape from, from, from, from Egypt. 0.86

00:16:42.440 They escape from the tyranny.

00:16:43.660 And then what happens?

00:16:44.580 It's like, well, you escape from tyranny and everything's good.

00:16:46.700 It's like, no.

00:16:48.020 That isn't how it works at all.

00:16:49.480 You escape from tyranny.

00:16:50.940 That could be the tyranny of your own thoughts, right?

00:16:53.440 That could be the tyranny of your marriage.

00:16:55.060 It could be the tyranny of your previous job.

00:16:57.340 You escape from it.

00:16:58.320 You think, well, now my problem's solved.

00:17:00.220 It's like, no, it's not. 1.00

00:17:01.140 It's like 40 years in the damn desert for you. 0.99

00:17:03.820 Because you escape from, you escape from pathological order at your peril. 1.00

00:17:09.480 Bang.

00:17:10.160 Chaos.

00:17:11.460 And everything falls apart in chaos.

00:17:13.440 That's why the Israelites worship false idols in the desert. 0.99

00:17:17.220 They're trying to orient themselves again.

00:17:19.200 They're chasing after new values.

00:17:20.980 They don't know what to do.

00:17:23.020 And then something emerges to recreate order and a new order emerges.

00:17:28.960 And that's the story.

00:17:29.860 That's the human story.

00:17:30.760 It's order, collapse, chaos, the underworld, reconstitution, new order.

00:17:37.980 And you might say, well, is the world order or is it chaos?

00:17:41.600 And say, well, it's both.

00:17:42.620 But it's one other thing, too.

00:17:43.860 It's the ability to make the movement between those states.

00:17:48.800 And that's the third thing.

00:17:50.300 And that's so important to know.

00:17:51.740 Because you might think, you might be tempted to think that you're order.

00:17:55.560 And to identify with that.

00:17:57.680 You know, like the radical nationalists do that.

00:17:59.720 The identity politics types do that.

00:18:01.720 It's like, here's my identity.

00:18:03.840 Here's my order.

00:18:05.260 That's me.

00:18:06.580 It's like, well, no, it's not.

00:18:08.260 It's not you because you're chaos, too.

00:18:10.540 Or at least your experience is.

00:18:12.260 But then you're not just chaos, either.

00:18:15.460 And that's a good thing because that's intolerable, right?

00:18:17.760 It's, you can't, you can't live on a non-stop diet of the unexpected and unpredictable.

00:18:23.400 Especially if it's involuntary.

00:18:24.680 It's just, it's deadly.

00:18:26.300 It just burns you to a frazzle.

00:18:28.380 You can't manage it physiologically.

00:18:31.580 You might feel that your chaos and everything else is, too.

00:18:33.960 But that's no good.

00:18:34.700 That's nihilism and despair and hopelessness and frustration and disappointment and resentment

00:18:39.160 and hatred and anger.

00:18:41.000 And it's like, that's a mess, man.

00:18:43.680 And so you don't want to be that, either.

00:18:45.560 And, you know, but you can be the thing that moves between those states and that transcends

00:18:49.800 them, you know?

00:18:50.440 And part of the idea, the symbolic idea, for example, that's embedded in the idea of the

00:18:55.240 death and resurrection is exactly that.

00:18:57.580 Is that you're the thing that can dissolve and reconstitute.

00:19:02.120 And that's the crucial thing you need to know.

00:19:04.420 That you can ride out those movements between those different states.

00:19:09.060 I don't know if there's anything more important you can know than that, except maybe this.

00:19:12.680 Is that that's also, that participating in that movement, especially voluntarily, that's

00:19:20.300 associated with the intrinsic sense of meaning.

00:19:23.660 That's what meaning, that's what meaning guides you to.

00:19:27.600 If it's functioning, if you're functioning honestly and the instinct for meaning is working,

00:19:33.940 it puts you there.

00:19:35.740 It makes you that thing that can make that transition.

00:19:37.780 And hopefully it's a journey like this, but it's upward, you know?

00:19:43.020 Order, catastrophe, reconstitution, but at a higher level of order, right?

00:19:48.280 You learn from your mistake.

00:19:50.420 And so when you put yourself back together, you're more together than you were.

00:19:53.940 It's not inevitable that it'll happen.

00:19:55.880 You can make a mistake and never recover.

00:19:57.680 You're just done.

00:19:58.800 Because the chaos is real and it can be deadly.

00:20:01.160 It's no joke.

00:20:01.960 It's nothing to embark on lightly, but you know, your life is punctuated by painful bouts

00:20:09.220 of learning.

00:20:10.300 Let's put it that way.

00:20:11.680 You can be almost certain that you've learned something worthwhile if it destroyed and reconstituted

00:20:20.220 part of you.

00:20:21.500 It's partly why people are resistant to learning, because who wants to go through that?

00:20:25.460 But storing up the catastrophes for the future as an alternative, refusing to change when

00:20:32.580 anything happens, well, that just means that one day things will collapse and you will not

00:20:37.560 recover.

00:20:38.480 Better to keep yourself up to date with the little deaths and rebirths that you need on

00:20:43.240 a constant basis.

00:20:45.700 Chaos and order.

00:20:46.920 Well, how do you represent those?

00:20:48.420 Well, you can't just tell a story about chaos and order.

00:20:51.420 I mean, it's hard even to just explain it.

00:20:53.260 And it's not, you need to represent it somehow.

00:21:00.060 And the thing is, we needed to represent this.

00:21:02.280 I mean, us as human beings, we needed to represent this in some sense long before we figured it

00:21:06.460 out.

00:21:06.800 Like what I just told you is an articulated representation.

00:21:10.800 It took me a very long time to develop that representation.

00:21:13.280 And then it took, and I've been building on the ideas of many, many other people.

00:21:17.780 And these ideas have been developing for thousands of years.

00:21:20.360 And so it's not like this is an easy thing to articulate.

00:21:23.040 It's very difficult.

00:21:24.280 And there are pro-droma, dramatic or artistic pro-droma to this set of ideas.

00:21:30.960 It's partly what artists do, but it's what storytellers and dramatists do.

00:21:34.460 They dramatize the world and they abstract out the crucial elements and they present them

00:21:38.940 in the form of personalities.

00:21:42.820 That would be a good way of thinking about it.

00:21:44.740 And it's because we tend to, we tend to experience reality as if it's characterized by personalities.

00:21:55.780 And I think that's because most, we're social primates for crying out loud.

00:22:01.740 Most of what we have interacted with throughout our evolutionary history are other social primates.

00:22:07.600 Like, the primary reality for human beings is actually personalities.

00:22:13.480 At least to the degree that our primary reality is ourselves and other people.

00:22:17.940 That's shaped our cognitive architecture.

00:22:19.740 We tend to look at the world as if it's personalities.

00:22:21.720 And so, chaos and order manifest themselves to us in personified form.

00:22:27.420 It's not like they're interpreted that way.

00:22:29.220 It's not like we know what chaos and order are and we attribute personalities to them.

00:22:33.740 It's that they reveal us, they reveal themselves to us through the metaphor of personality.

00:22:42.180 Okay, so, let me give you some examples.

00:22:47.820 I've spent a lot of time unpacking three fundamental stories.

00:22:52.820 More than that, but these are the three that I think I've got, delved most deeply into.

00:22:58.040 One of them is creation myth from ancient Egypt.

00:23:00.980 One of them is a creation myth from ancient Mesopotamia.

00:23:03.940 These are foundational stories, right?

00:23:06.000 They oriented cultures for thousands of years.

00:23:09.680 Unbelievably powerful stories.

00:23:10.920 And they've had a determining effect on the fundamental narratives that guide us.

00:23:16.600 So, they're not trivial stories.

00:23:18.460 At least, they're no more trivial, let's say, than our culture.

00:23:22.940 And then the story in Genesis as well, which is a variant of the Mesopotamian story in particular.

00:23:29.820 Or a very good enough idea.

00:23:34.600 So, in Mesopotamia, for example, in ancient Mesopotamia,

00:23:38.000 there were two fundamental forces at work at the beginning of time.

00:23:41.680 One was characterized as Tiamat, and one was characterized as Apsu.

00:23:45.420 And Tiamat was the goddess of salt water.

00:23:48.840 Tears and chaos.

00:23:50.400 And she was often represented as something approximating a predatory reptile. 0.74

00:23:55.760 So, now, why?

00:23:57.860 Why that?

00:23:59.320 Well, you're in order and things are going well, right?

00:24:07.980 Let's say you're out for a stroll in a park.

00:24:10.900 And it's a sunny day.

00:24:12.160 And everything is working out for you just nicely.

00:24:14.900 Maybe you're holding hands with someone you love.

00:24:16.440 And you think, oh, isn't life wonderful?

00:24:18.520 And this doesn't necessarily happen in Switzerland.

00:24:21.740 But it happens sometimes in Canada.

00:24:23.240 Um, how about a grizzly bear appears?

00:24:27.760 And, you know, you have bears here.

00:24:30.000 But they're little, cuddly bears.

00:24:32.580 600 pounds, you know, 700 pounds.

00:24:35.300 A grizzly bear is like 2,000 pounds.

00:24:37.600 And it is the most powerful predator.

00:24:40.400 So, like, if you put a grizzly bear in a cage with tigers,

00:24:44.080 which they did in the late 1800s in North America,

00:24:46.860 the grizzly bear just kills the tigers.

00:24:48.360 That's that.

00:24:49.000 And it kills lions.

00:24:49.900 It's like you don't, no other predator can withstand a grizzly bear.

00:24:53.920 And so, if a grizzly bear appears in your path,

00:24:56.920 you are not in order.

00:24:59.300 And your map, right?

00:25:01.760 You all think that's funny.

00:25:03.300 It's like, yeah.

00:25:04.800 Because, you know, that's definitely evidence of error.

00:25:08.800 You thought you were one place,

00:25:10.860 and you're somewhere completely different.

00:25:13.300 Especially if the grizzly bear is there,

00:25:15.720 and her cubs are there.

00:25:17.320 That's really not a good situation.

00:25:22.740 So, what's the worst error you can make?

00:25:25.600 How about accidental encounter with a carnivorous predator?

00:25:29.800 How would that be?

00:25:31.360 How about that as a symbolic representation of being off the path?

00:25:35.260 You imagine our archaic ancestors huddled around the fire.

00:25:39.700 Here's the story.

00:25:41.000 You know, there was this predatory cat that was discovered a while back.

00:25:44.160 It's been extinct for a very long period of time.

00:25:46.860 And it had two very large teeth on the top,

00:25:49.600 and one very large tooth on the bottom.

00:25:52.300 And it turned out that its jaw size

00:25:55.340 was exactly the size of an ancestral human skull.

00:26:00.900 Right.

00:26:01.340 So, it would put two teeth here, 0.71

00:26:03.040 and one here.

00:26:04.960 Right.

00:26:05.300 And this, and like we've been preyed upon by terrible things forever.

00:26:11.680 Millions of years, you know.

00:26:13.160 Long enough so that the image of the predator,

00:26:18.620 especially the reptilian predator,

00:26:20.200 is burned deep into our psyche.

00:26:22.660 You know, human beings are prepared to be afraid of snakes, for example.

00:26:26.220 You can teach fear to people,

00:26:28.000 teach fear of snakes to people very rapidly.

00:26:30.180 That was, that was the initial hypothesis.

00:26:32.440 But the newer data indicates

00:26:34.140 it's not that you're prepared to be afraid of snakes.

00:26:36.420 You're just afraid of snakes.

00:26:38.320 And some people, you can get over it,

00:26:40.420 but it's there.

00:26:41.360 It's instinctual.

00:26:42.540 And it's also the same with chimpanzees, by the way.

00:26:45.240 If a chimpanzee's never seen a snake,

00:26:47.360 if you have like a little cage full of chim, 0.91

00:26:49.620 big cage full of chimpanzees,

00:26:51.460 and you bring in a snake,

00:26:53.320 they hit the ceiling,

00:26:54.380 and then they look at the snake.

00:26:55.980 But they're not happy.

00:26:57.140 They're enthralled, but they're not happy.

00:27:00.220 And they even have a specific snake cry.

00:27:02.260 So if chimps encounter a snake in the wild,

00:27:04.260 they'll make the cry.

00:27:05.720 And other chimps will come and look at the snake,

00:27:07.320 assuming, you know, it's an impressive sort of snake.

00:27:09.540 They'll sit there and look at it, gaze at it.

00:27:11.420 They're transfixed by it.

00:27:13.420 It's like,

00:27:15.420 well, so why would chaos be represented by a predator?

00:27:19.940 Well, it's because if you encounter a predator,

00:27:21.840 you are definitely in chaos.

00:27:25.220 And so that's the symbolic representation.

00:27:26.760 Now,

00:27:28.360 this goddess, Tiamat,

00:27:31.100 the goddess of chaos.

00:27:38.640 Another question.

00:27:41.120 Where does order come from?

00:27:44.680 Well, it comes from chaos.

00:27:46.960 So what does that mean?

00:27:48.560 Well,

00:27:49.800 you have to learn things, right?

00:27:52.360 When you don't know anything,

00:27:55.160 you aren't getting what you want

00:27:56.380 because you don't know what to do.

00:27:57.760 If you're very socially awkward

00:27:58.980 and you go to a party

00:27:59.760 and you don't know what to do,

00:28:00.680 you don't get what you want.

00:28:01.680 It's a chaotic situation.

00:28:03.540 And so what do you have to do to fix that?

00:28:05.880 You have to face the chaos

00:28:08.360 and you have to turn it into order.

00:28:10.200 You have to learn how to manage the chaos

00:28:13.200 so that you now get what you want.

00:28:15.840 So what that means is that order emerges out of chaos.

00:28:20.520 Okay?

00:28:20.720 So that's the idea.

00:28:21.760 And it's a universal truth

00:28:24.360 that order emerges out of chaos.

00:28:26.220 And it's a universal truth

00:28:27.420 that you partake in that process.

00:28:30.000 That's what you do.

00:28:31.580 It's your fundamental mode of being in the world

00:28:38.680 is to act such that you make new order emerge from chaos.

00:28:44.980 Sometimes you do the reverse.

00:28:46.380 Sometimes you tear down old order

00:28:47.940 so new chaos can emerge and be rebuilt.

00:28:50.020 But we'll leave that aside for a moment.

00:28:51.900 That's another variant of the fundamental story.

00:28:54.340 Order comes from chaos.

00:28:56.220 Tiamat is the fundamental goddess.

00:28:57.880 She has a husband, Apsu.

00:28:59.240 He's the goddess of fresh.

00:29:00.920 He's the god of fresh water.

00:29:02.500 And the idea is that

00:29:04.200 the intermingling of the two

00:29:08.940 constitutes the original act of creation.

00:29:15.160 All right.

00:29:15.720 So, why is that the case?

00:29:22.260 You encounter chaos and you make order.

00:29:26.800 And all that means is that

00:29:28.320 you learn new things

00:29:29.440 by encountering what's new.

00:29:31.080 And then maybe it means

00:29:31.860 that you learn new things best

00:29:33.400 by voluntarily encountering what's new.

00:29:35.780 And then maybe it means

00:29:36.640 that you learn new deep things

00:29:38.800 by voluntarily encountering

00:29:40.480 what's truly chaotic and new, right?

00:29:42.740 So, there's a relationship

00:29:43.920 between how much chaos

00:29:45.180 you're willing to contend with

00:29:46.480 and how much new order

00:29:47.860 you can conceivably produce.

00:29:49.460 But it's a risky game

00:29:50.800 because you're dealing with

00:29:52.920 things that are truly unknown.

00:29:54.660 You're dealing with things

00:29:55.340 that are genuinely outside

00:29:56.500 of your ken.

00:29:58.440 And if you make a mistake,

00:29:59.660 well, then you end up

00:30:01.000 somewhere dangerous.

00:30:05.180 The Mesopotamians posited that

00:30:07.400 the original act of creation

00:30:09.240 was a consequence

00:30:10.160 of the intermingling

00:30:11.380 of Apsu and Tiamat,

00:30:13.240 the intermingling of chaos and order.

00:30:15.360 Okay.

00:30:15.820 So, when you learn something new,

00:30:19.840 you're not a blank slate

00:30:21.220 when you encounter it, right?

00:30:22.360 Like, when you meet someone new,

00:30:24.380 and maybe you're trying

00:30:25.040 to make a relationship with them,

00:30:26.660 you use all the information

00:30:28.420 that you have

00:30:28.980 about previous relationships, right?

00:30:31.220 You take the order 0.63

00:30:32.260 that you've already established,

00:30:34.100 and you use it to structure

00:30:36.840 the new situation

00:30:38.560 that you're encountering.

00:30:41.980 And so, and then maybe

00:30:43.660 something new can come out of that.

00:30:46.380 You know, like,

00:30:47.000 you're reading a book,

00:30:48.380 and you're learning new things,

00:30:49.640 but you're using all the knowledge

00:30:52.140 that you have

00:30:53.420 as a literary creature,

00:30:54.960 as a literate creature,

00:30:55.920 to do that.

00:30:56.960 And so, in the encounter with chaos,

00:30:59.720 there's always order at work.

00:31:01.460 There's always order at work.

00:31:02.880 And so, that's that Mesopotamian idea,

00:31:04.780 is that new things emerge

00:31:06.140 because of the interplay

00:31:07.140 between order and chaos.

00:31:09.240 All right.

00:31:09.700 And the chaos, as I said,

00:31:11.580 is represented by this dragon,

00:31:13.840 this feminine dragon,

00:31:15.560 and we haven't got

00:31:16.220 to the feminine part yet,

00:31:17.560 because it's hard to get there,

00:31:19.900 and this orderly structure,

00:31:22.560 Apsu.

00:31:24.780 Okay.

00:31:27.200 That's one example.

00:31:28.480 So, that's one example

00:31:29.500 of the metaphor.

00:31:31.380 Feminine, masculine,

00:31:32.620 used as representation

00:31:33.520 of chaos and order.

00:31:34.780 Here's another one.

00:31:35.680 There's an Egyptian story.

00:31:37.360 I'll run through it quickly.

00:31:38.420 It's the story of Osiris

00:31:39.680 and Set and Isis and Horus.

00:31:42.800 It's a great story.

00:31:44.360 And so, here's the story

00:31:45.520 in brief form.

00:31:47.560 Osiris is a god,

00:31:50.740 but he's also the pharaoh

00:31:51.960 at the same time.

00:31:52.940 So, you can think about him

00:31:53.620 as the spirit of the pharaoh

00:31:54.960 in some sense.

00:31:56.180 You could even think about him

00:31:57.240 as the concept of king or emperor.

00:32:00.240 You know, you can have

00:32:01.180 many kings in succession,

00:32:02.600 but they're all the king.

00:32:04.160 And so, the king is an abstraction

00:32:05.620 of what's common

00:32:07.020 across the set of kings.

00:32:08.460 And Osiris is an abstraction

00:32:10.420 of what's common

00:32:11.300 across the set of pharaohs,

00:32:12.900 let's say.

00:32:13.620 And it's part of the Egyptians' 0.99

00:32:15.500 attempt,

00:32:15.880 the ancient Egyptians' attempt,

00:32:17.440 our attempt,

00:32:18.460 to understand

00:32:19.200 what constituted

00:32:21.700 genuine sovereignty,

00:32:23.340 genuine authority.

00:32:24.540 Not power,

00:32:25.320 but authority,

00:32:26.760 competence, authority,

00:32:28.000 and the foundation

00:32:28.860 of the state.

00:32:30.100 How should the state

00:32:31.380 be founded?

00:32:32.720 Osiris is the answer

00:32:33.740 to that.

00:32:34.180 Now, Osiris

00:32:35.240 was a great king

00:32:37.460 slash god

00:32:38.380 when he was young.

00:32:39.660 And he established

00:32:40.380 the Egyptian state.

00:32:41.320 He wrested it from chaos,

00:32:43.000 let's say.

00:32:43.360 Now he's old,

00:32:44.740 so the story goes.

00:32:46.080 And he's got all the problems

00:32:47.200 that something old has.

00:32:48.420 He's kind of out of date,

00:32:50.040 he's kind of anachronistic,

00:32:51.820 but even more importantly,

00:32:53.620 he's willfully blind.

00:32:55.720 He refuses to see.

00:32:57.700 And that's worse

00:32:58.500 than just being old.

00:32:59.700 And so,

00:32:59.960 what's the idea?

00:33:00.680 The idea there

00:33:01.620 is that structures of order,

00:33:03.220 represented by Osiris,

00:33:04.700 have two fundamental flaws.

00:33:06.400 One is they age.

00:33:08.540 What you know

00:33:09.060 is always slightly out of date.

00:33:10.660 Your culture's always 0.95

00:33:11.660 is a construction of the past.

00:33:13.480 So it's not,

00:33:14.240 what do they say

00:33:14.740 about the military?

00:33:15.600 100% prepared

00:33:16.920 to fight the last war.

00:33:19.240 Right.

00:33:19.740 And that's sort of

00:33:20.460 the situation

00:33:21.040 that we're always in.

00:33:25.660 But the willfully blind part,

00:33:27.200 that's even worse.

00:33:28.240 It's like,

00:33:28.680 you could know,

00:33:30.080 but you refuse to engage.

00:33:32.100 And that's a deadly sin.

00:33:33.900 It's a worldwide trope

00:33:38.800 of mythology

00:33:39.560 that the proclivity

00:33:42.100 to turn a blind eye

00:33:43.520 brings down

00:33:44.900 the reign of destruction.

00:33:47.020 That's why,

00:33:47.560 for example,

00:33:48.020 in the story of Noah,

00:33:49.280 when everything is flooded,

00:33:50.820 that's the return of chaos,

00:33:52.480 it's because of

00:33:53.480 the sins of men.

00:33:55.100 It's their inability

00:33:56.120 to aim and hit the target.

00:33:57.820 It's willful blindness

00:33:59.060 brings things down around us.

00:34:01.660 So does entropy.

00:34:02.440 So does age.

00:34:03.260 But it's sped along by that.

00:34:05.000 Anyhow,

00:34:05.740 Osiris has a brother,

00:34:07.880 set.

00:34:09.040 And set,

00:34:10.180 that's the setting sun.

00:34:11.860 It's the force

00:34:12.500 that devours consciousness

00:34:13.720 at night.

00:34:14.860 It's everything dark

00:34:16.540 and corrupt.

00:34:18.140 And set,

00:34:18.720 the name set,

00:34:19.400 becomes Satan

00:34:20.100 through the Egyptian, 0.80

00:34:21.480 the Coptic Christians.

00:34:23.540 So our modern conception

00:34:26.380 of the,

00:34:27.600 what would you call it,

00:34:28.680 transcendent personality

00:34:29.800 of evil

00:34:30.320 is emerged

00:34:31.560 at least in part

00:34:32.300 from this underlying

00:34:33.420 Egyptian mythology.

00:34:36.720 Osiris has a brother,

00:34:38.440 set.

00:34:39.040 What does it mean?

00:34:40.140 Well,

00:34:40.320 it means that the kingdom

00:34:41.180 is always threatened

00:34:41.960 by some malevolent force.

00:34:44.660 Always.

00:34:46.140 And I think that's,

00:34:47.060 it's so,

00:34:47.460 it's so useful

00:34:48.520 to know that,

00:34:49.400 right?

00:34:49.640 To know that existentially

00:34:51.060 is that,

00:34:51.960 well,

00:34:52.120 you have a structure,

00:34:52.960 whatever it is,

00:34:53.680 it has an evil twin

00:34:54.840 and you have to keep

00:34:55.720 an eye on that thing

00:34:56.860 because the evil twin

00:34:58.060 can always dominate.

00:34:59.020 You know,

00:34:59.640 this fear

00:35:00.860 that's emerged

00:35:01.560 of the patriarchy,

00:35:03.020 let's say,

00:35:03.460 the oppressive patriarchy,

00:35:04.580 is a recasting

00:35:05.440 of the same story

00:35:06.820 except there's no Osiris,

00:35:08.440 there's just set.

00:35:09.660 There's just evil

00:35:10.520 and tyranny.

00:35:11.660 And people can relate

00:35:12.460 to that

00:35:12.820 because structures

00:35:13.680 are tyrannical.

00:35:15.280 And that's the pathology

00:35:16.360 of order,

00:35:17.020 is the tyranny

00:35:17.800 of structure.

00:35:18.480 That's the pathology

00:35:19.260 of order.

00:35:19.560 Or anyways,

00:35:21.380 Osiris doesn't,

00:35:23.060 isn't willing

00:35:23.800 to comprehend

00:35:25.220 the depth

00:35:26.060 of his brother's

00:35:27.180 malevolence.

00:35:28.460 And he ignores him.

00:35:30.040 And so one day,

00:35:32.740 Osiris sets,

00:35:34.460 chops Osiris up

00:35:35.420 and distributes

00:35:36.780 his pieces

00:35:37.220 all around Egypt. 0.99

00:35:38.480 You can't kill him 0.80

00:35:39.400 because he's a god, 0.95

00:35:40.200 but you can make it 0.64

00:35:40.840 damn difficult

00:35:41.560 for him to get 0.99

00:35:42.240 his act together.

00:35:43.640 And that's exactly

00:35:44.400 what,

00:35:45.040 it's interesting,

00:35:45.760 I use that metaphor

00:35:46.480 on purpose,

00:35:47.100 to get your act together.

00:35:48.660 You know?

00:35:48.900 Because it draws

00:35:50.280 on the same

00:35:50.880 metaphorical idea.

00:35:51.960 To get your act together

00:35:52.860 means that you're

00:35:53.540 scattered into

00:35:54.320 your constituent parts.

00:35:55.700 And maybe it's because

00:35:56.380 you've been laid low

00:35:57.760 by chaos and malevolence.

00:35:59.920 You no longer

00:36:00.400 have your act together.

00:36:01.360 You have to gather

00:36:02.040 up your pieces.

00:36:03.020 You have to put yourself

00:36:04.100 back together.

00:36:05.240 Well, that's the condition

00:36:06.320 of Osiris.

00:36:07.440 Scattered throughout

00:36:08.360 the kingdom,

00:36:10.940 set the rules.

00:36:12.120 Many of you

00:36:12.880 have seen the Disney movie

00:36:14.280 The Lion King.

00:36:15.740 It's the same story.

00:36:17.580 You know,

00:36:17.800 you have the king,

00:36:18.900 Mufasa.

00:36:19.500 He has an evil brother.

00:36:20.440 He doesn't pay enough

00:36:21.080 attention to him.

00:36:22.240 And his evil brother 1.00

00:36:23.080 kills him.

00:36:24.460 And everyone understands

00:36:25.480 that story.

00:36:26.140 It makes perfect sense.

00:36:27.840 And so I'm telling you

00:36:28.760 that just to show you

00:36:29.440 how these ideas

00:36:31.080 echo across time.

00:36:32.560 You know?

00:36:32.740 And that they're part

00:36:33.380 of the way that we

00:36:34.040 look at the world.

00:36:37.100 Osiris falls apart.

00:36:38.440 Seth rules.

00:36:39.260 That's not good.

00:36:40.720 That's not good.

00:36:41.740 It means the tyrant

00:36:42.600 has control.

00:36:44.060 What happens?

00:36:45.420 Third character appears.

00:36:46.820 Isis.

00:36:47.900 Female.

00:36:48.960 Queen of the underworld. 0.96

00:36:52.260 Chaos.

00:36:53.280 Why chaos?

00:36:54.220 Well, because chaos

00:36:55.020 emerges when things

00:36:55.940 fall apart.

00:36:57.340 By definition.

00:36:58.700 It's personified

00:36:59.600 in the Egyptian story

00:37:00.980 by Isis.

00:37:01.680 Queen of the underworld.

00:37:02.740 She's also the spirit

00:37:03.720 of renewal, right?

00:37:05.260 And that's part of the hint

00:37:06.420 about why chaos

00:37:07.280 is feminine.

00:37:08.320 Because new things

00:37:09.520 emerge out of chaos.

00:37:10.740 Well, what's the fundamental

00:37:12.820 criteria of femininity? 0.84

00:37:15.580 Is that new things

00:37:17.040 emerge from the feminine.

00:37:19.460 Right?

00:37:19.740 It's the definition

00:37:21.220 of the feminine

00:37:22.120 that new forms

00:37:23.360 emerge from it.

00:37:24.620 You know,

00:37:25.120 when people were critiquing

00:37:26.500 12 rules for life,

00:37:28.660 said, well,

00:37:29.120 you associate women

00:37:30.300 with chaos

00:37:30.800 and men with order.

00:37:31.660 It's like, no.

00:37:32.820 It's femininity 1.00

00:37:34.000 with chaos

00:37:34.620 and masculinity 0.98

00:37:35.340 with order.

00:37:36.020 That's not the same thing.

00:37:37.260 And chaos

00:37:37.880 isn't all bad.

00:37:39.860 It's the antidote

00:37:41.200 to tyranny,

00:37:41.940 for example.

00:37:43.140 And order isn't all good

00:37:44.200 because it can degenerate

00:37:45.260 into tyranny.

00:37:45.860 So there's nothing

00:37:46.420 pejorative

00:37:47.820 about the metaphorical

00:37:49.360 identification.

00:37:50.140 It's just a matter of

00:37:50.940 understanding

00:37:52.920 the structure

00:37:53.500 of the world.

00:37:57.700 Osiris falls apart.

00:37:58.840 Isis appears.

00:38:00.640 Why is that?

00:38:01.320 Well, it's because

00:38:01.640 the queen of the underworld

00:38:02.580 always appears

00:38:03.260 when things fall apart.

00:38:05.300 That's where you are

00:38:06.520 when things fall apart.

00:38:07.600 This is so useful to know.

00:38:09.540 Things fell apart.

00:38:10.720 Well, where am I?

00:38:12.040 You're in the underworld.

00:38:13.420 That's the mythological idea.

00:38:15.100 What do you do

00:38:16.060 in the underworld?

00:38:16.760 You actually need

00:38:17.360 to know that

00:38:18.160 because you're going

00:38:19.180 to be in the underworld.

00:38:20.160 It's like,

00:38:20.560 things are going

00:38:21.100 to fall apart on you.

00:38:22.400 It's like, okay, 0.84

00:38:23.340 what, do you just die 0.98

00:38:24.340 when that happens? 0.97

00:38:25.260 You're done?

00:38:26.080 It's like, no,

00:38:26.740 you better know

00:38:27.200 how to orient yourself there.

00:38:31.440 Isis appears on the scene.

00:38:34.000 She searches all over Egypt 0.97

00:38:35.340 for Osiris' missing parts

00:38:37.100 and she finds this phallus

00:38:38.440 and she makes herself 0.99

00:38:39.740 pregnant with it.

00:38:41.260 What does it mean?

00:38:42.740 Well, you know what it means.

00:38:45.740 You know what it means.

00:38:46.840 It's, your life is going on,

00:38:50.000 along and something

00:38:50.760 knocks you for a loop

00:38:51.880 and maybe it's malevolence, right?

00:38:53.800 Maybe you're betrayed

00:38:54.700 by someone

00:38:55.260 because that's harsh.

00:38:57.660 You know, it could be

00:38:58.340 maybe you get cancer

00:38:59.260 or maybe you get

00:39:00.160 some other illness

00:39:00.780 or your career falls apart.

00:39:01.900 that's all brutal

00:39:03.480 and, you know,

00:39:04.460 or maybe it's

00:39:04.880 a natural disaster

00:39:05.660 but to be betrayed,

00:39:07.220 that's really brutal

00:39:08.640 and that's an encounter

00:39:09.820 with malevolence

00:39:10.660 and that can break you

00:39:12.380 into pieces.

00:39:13.640 It's like, well,

00:39:14.080 maybe you recover

00:39:14.700 from that, right?

00:39:15.740 Maybe you don't

00:39:16.360 but maybe you recover

00:39:17.100 from it and you look back

00:39:17.960 and you think,

00:39:18.680 you know,

00:39:19.420 I'm a hell of a lot wiser

00:39:20.860 and more put together

00:39:21.700 than I was when that happened.

00:39:22.800 I was a little too naive

00:39:23.780 for my own good

00:39:24.900 and it was a hell of a descent

00:39:26.960 down into that

00:39:28.040 chaotic underworld

00:39:29.240 propelled by the evil

00:39:31.400 that I didn't understand

00:39:32.600 or wouldn't look at

00:39:33.540 but now that I've

00:39:34.360 reconstituted myself

00:39:35.820 and I'm wiser

00:39:36.920 I can see that

00:39:38.080 that was the birth

00:39:39.200 of something new.

00:39:40.620 The new you, let's say.

00:39:42.260 Well, that's the alternative.

00:39:43.440 You either give birth 0.89

00:39:44.740 to a new you

00:39:45.520 in the underworld

00:39:46.360 or you're done

00:39:47.660 because the old you,

00:39:48.980 it's fragmented

00:39:49.960 and maybe you can

00:39:51.380 pull your pieces

00:39:52.360 back together

00:39:53.080 and maybe not

00:39:54.240 but it's good

00:39:57.220 to at least know

00:39:57.920 that that's the root out

00:39:58.860 and that's the possibility.

00:40:00.240 Is there something new

00:40:01.700 that could be born

00:40:02.680 if you let go

00:40:03.760 of what was the past?

00:40:06.560 There better be

00:40:07.280 because that's your life.

00:40:08.960 Anyways,

00:40:09.820 Isis makes herself pregnant 1.00

00:40:11.180 and she gives birth

00:40:13.080 to Horus

00:40:13.720 and Horus is the hero.

00:40:16.760 He's a visionary hero.

00:40:18.460 Horus is a falcon.

00:40:19.440 He can see.

00:40:21.140 Falcons can see better 0.98

00:40:22.060 than any other creatures.

00:40:23.420 Human beings are

00:40:24.100 very good vision

00:40:25.700 but we don't see as well

00:40:27.200 as birds of prey.

00:40:28.860 And so the bird of prey,

00:40:30.040 the falcon,

00:40:30.540 is a symbol of vision.

00:40:32.260 Now you remember

00:40:32.920 that Osiris

00:40:33.860 was willfully blind.

00:40:35.760 Well Horus

00:40:36.120 is the opposite.

00:40:37.220 Horus looks at things.

00:40:39.820 Right?

00:40:40.040 And so that's the idea.

00:40:41.420 There's an idea for you.

00:40:42.780 Things fall apart

00:40:43.960 on you.

00:40:45.560 Well maybe you were

00:40:46.220 willfully blind.

00:40:47.420 Well so what should you

00:40:48.040 do about it?

00:40:49.000 You should open your eyes.

00:40:51.020 Right?

00:40:51.240 You should adopt 0.98

00:40:51.900 identification with Horus

00:40:53.420 let's say.

00:40:54.380 You should see

00:40:55.100 what's right in front of you.

00:40:56.180 Well what's right

00:40:56.860 in front of you?

00:40:57.560 That which you do not

00:40:59.040 wish to look at.

00:41:00.840 That's the horror of it.

00:41:03.080 Horus grows up

00:41:04.280 outside the state.

00:41:05.460 Right?

00:41:05.700 Because it's ruled 0.94

00:41:06.680 by his evil uncle.

00:41:07.780 What does that mean?

00:41:08.500 Well we all do that

00:41:09.600 to the degree

00:41:10.380 that the state

00:41:11.080 is ruled by our evil uncle.

00:41:13.240 You know we're all

00:41:13.860 alienated to some degree

00:41:15.320 from the social structure.

00:41:17.900 That's why the idea

00:41:18.820 of the oppressive patriarchy

00:41:20.260 for example

00:41:20.800 carries with it

00:41:21.860 some compelling weight.

00:41:23.040 You know

00:41:23.760 the social being

00:41:25.180 extracts its pound

00:41:26.320 of flesh

00:41:27.120 and it's not

00:41:28.020 structured perfectly.

00:41:30.280 And so to the degree

00:41:31.040 that there's a mismatch

00:41:32.600 between what our society

00:41:34.060 is and what it should be

00:41:35.200 it's easy for us

00:41:36.200 to feel alienated from it

00:41:37.340 to grow up in something

00:41:38.420 approximating the underworld.

00:41:39.720 But hopefully we do that

00:41:40.520 with our eyes open.

00:41:41.860 It's your moral duty

00:41:42.740 to do that.

00:41:43.540 Why moral duty?

00:41:44.660 Because the consequence

00:41:45.740 of keeping your eyes

00:41:47.080 closed when you're

00:41:48.060 in the underworld

00:41:48.640 are fatal

00:41:49.660 or worse.

00:41:51.080 You think

00:41:51.400 well what's worse

00:41:52.020 than fatal?

00:41:52.880 That's easy.

00:41:54.140 A lot of suffering

00:41:55.320 followed by fatal

00:41:56.880 is a lot worse.

00:41:58.720 Yeah really

00:41:59.360 like if you think

00:42:00.400 death is the worst

00:42:01.240 thing there is

00:42:01.800 you are not using

00:42:02.720 your imagination

00:42:03.380 because it is not

00:42:05.160 the worst thing there is.

00:42:06.560 It's no picnic

00:42:07.800 you know

00:42:08.720 but that's not the point

00:42:10.240 is that

00:42:10.860 there's plenty of hell

00:42:13.060 to traverse

00:42:13.760 by before death

00:42:15.400 if you're incautious

00:42:16.380 and if you want

00:42:17.640 to walk that route

00:42:19.900 keeping your eyes

00:42:20.640 closed when they

00:42:21.440 should be open

00:42:22.100 that's a good way

00:42:22.940 to find that path.

00:42:24.840 Horace emerges

00:42:25.880 and he's the visionary

00:42:27.220 he sees

00:42:28.100 and he's willing

00:42:29.660 to look at malevolence.

00:42:31.260 Okay so there's

00:42:31.780 another thing

00:42:32.360 there's another thing

00:42:33.120 you know

00:42:33.380 man

00:42:34.320 I've talked to

00:42:35.740 my clients

00:42:36.480 you know

00:42:36.820 I had this client

00:42:37.840 once who'd been

00:42:38.540 brilliant female lawyer 0.99

00:42:40.180 terrified of her

00:42:43.040 own intelligence

00:42:43.740 it was quite interesting

00:42:44.900 because

00:42:45.220 she was a very

00:42:46.520 nice person

00:42:47.280 a very agreeable

00:42:48.000 person

00:42:48.340 and a naive person

00:42:49.380 and her niceness

00:42:51.460 and her agreeableness

00:42:52.360 and her naivety

00:42:53.060 was part of a package

00:42:54.780 that also enabled her

00:42:55.800 to make close personal

00:42:57.160 contact with her clients

00:42:58.400 and so it was

00:42:58.980 there was a positive

00:43:00.000 element to it

00:43:00.680 but there was a negative

00:43:01.540 element too

00:43:02.060 because it laid her

00:43:02.760 wide open

00:43:03.320 for exploitation

00:43:04.920 by people who were

00:43:05.980 malevolent

00:43:06.500 and one of them

00:43:08.080 tried to take her out

00:43:09.040 they basically

00:43:09.760 took her body of work

00:43:10.860 they stole it

00:43:12.380 from her

00:43:12.700 after she

00:43:13.220 with a series

00:43:14.500 of underhanded

00:43:16.100 maneuvers

00:43:16.520 and then

00:43:17.400 basically

00:43:17.980 when she got upset

00:43:19.340 about it

00:43:19.740 generated the story

00:43:20.580 that she was

00:43:21.080 mentally unstable 0.70

00:43:21.900 and it was real

00:43:23.140 trouble

00:43:23.500 because

00:43:23.880 the person

00:43:25.180 who did this

00:43:25.740 had the upper hand

00:43:26.820 and so it took us

00:43:27.720 like two years

00:43:28.780 to sort that out

00:43:29.680 it was really

00:43:30.440 troublesome

00:43:30.860 and her intelligence

00:43:32.680 you know

00:43:33.140 it would give her

00:43:33.960 hints about

00:43:34.600 the misbehavior

00:43:35.840 of people

00:43:36.420 in her corporate office

00:43:37.740 but she didn't like it

00:43:39.280 because it was like

00:43:39.920 well no nice person

00:43:41.520 would ever think

00:43:42.120 those thoughts

00:43:42.840 it's like

00:43:43.500 yeah fair enough

00:43:44.480 or more maybe

00:43:45.240 more accurately

00:43:45.980 no naive person

00:43:47.320 who's laid themselves

00:43:48.680 open to exploitation

00:43:49.820 by malevolence

00:43:51.000 would ever think

00:43:51.620 those thoughts

00:43:52.280 it's like

00:43:52.580 yeah but you want

00:43:53.300 to stay that way

00:43:53.900 you want to stay naive

00:43:54.920 so you can be exploited

00:43:56.120 in that manner

00:43:56.760 or do you want to wake up

00:43:57.940 you wake up

00:43:58.840 you look at things

00:43:59.480 you don't want to look at

00:44:00.580 and so she learned

00:44:01.940 to allow her

00:44:03.180 intelligent intuitions

00:44:05.080 that were

00:44:05.540 shining a light

00:44:07.220 on the dark corners

00:44:08.120 of the world

00:44:08.760 to

00:44:09.440 to manifest itself

00:44:12.060 more fully

00:44:12.740 and so she became

00:44:13.680 harder

00:44:14.480 and tougher

00:44:15.840 but better

00:44:17.600 so Horus

00:44:20.340 he wakes up

00:44:21.360 he's awake

00:44:22.480 he can see

00:44:23.380 he's the famous

00:44:24.360 Egyptian eye

00:44:25.200 he's the falcon

00:44:26.060 he can see

00:44:26.960 Seth

00:44:27.420 he goes back

00:44:28.640 and has a fight

00:44:29.220 with him

00:44:29.640 as it's the deity

00:44:30.840 of evil

00:44:31.300 and that's no joke

00:44:32.200 and Horus is a god

00:44:33.120 and so is Seth

00:44:33.900 Horus fights

00:44:35.320 with Seth

00:44:36.540 and during the fight

00:44:37.920 Seth tears out

00:44:38.860 one of his eyes

00:44:39.620 what does that mean?

00:44:40.800 it means

00:44:41.980 even if you're awake

00:44:43.860 you emerge out of the underworld

00:44:45.560 even if you're awake

00:44:46.740 even if you're paying attention

00:44:48.620 if you look at things

00:44:51.000 that are dark

00:44:51.880 you risk damaging

00:44:53.380 your consciousness

00:44:54.220 right?

00:44:55.600 it's a warning

00:44:56.380 it's like

00:44:57.100 you have to look

00:44:58.500 but beware

00:44:59.880 because what you're looking at

00:45:01.960 is enough to

00:45:02.700 it's enough to undermine

00:45:06.220 your consciousness

00:45:07.020 Horus emerges successful

00:45:09.840 he gets the eye back

00:45:10.740 and he banishes Seth

00:45:11.940 to the nether regions

00:45:13.380 of the kingdom

00:45:13.920 no killing him

00:45:15.220 there's no getting rid

00:45:16.220 of the proclivity

00:45:17.120 for malevolence

00:45:17.900 the best you can do

00:45:18.720 is keep it under control

00:45:20.240 for some period of time

00:45:21.780 he takes his eye back

00:45:23.100 you'd think

00:45:23.420 well

00:45:23.660 he put the eye back

00:45:24.860 in his head

00:45:25.320 and then he'd be king

00:45:26.200 but that isn't what he does

00:45:27.180 he goes down

00:45:27.800 into the underworld

00:45:28.540 and he finds Osiris

00:45:30.340 his father

00:45:30.880 who's existing down there

00:45:32.360 as a sort of

00:45:32.860 semi-dead shade

00:45:34.440 and he gives

00:45:35.940 Osiris his eye

00:45:37.220 and then Osiris wakes up

00:45:39.460 because he can see again

00:45:40.460 and then the two of them

00:45:41.680 go back

00:45:42.140 and they rule jointly

00:45:43.380 and it's so

00:45:44.160 incomprehensibly

00:45:46.040 brilliant that story

00:45:47.740 the idea is

00:45:48.920 well

00:45:49.900 in the underworld

00:45:50.540 you wake up

00:45:51.200 and you see

00:45:51.800 and you

00:45:52.720 encounter

00:45:55.000 you encounter

00:45:56.740 the spirit of malevolence

00:45:58.060 you see

00:45:58.580 what's made your life

00:46:01.520 go wrong

00:46:02.380 you know

00:46:04.180 your own

00:46:04.780 inadequacies

00:46:05.880 let's say

00:46:06.240 your own moral inadequacies 0.99

00:46:07.400 your own foolishness 0.93

00:46:08.500 your own blindness 1.00

00:46:09.560 and maybe the malevolence

00:46:11.040 of others

00:46:11.420 now there's other reasons

00:46:12.340 to fall apart

00:46:13.000 sometimes you just

00:46:13.920 let's say

00:46:15.460 an innocent bystander

00:46:18.000 in a series of catastrophes

00:46:19.680 I'm not talking about that

00:46:21.180 that happens to people

00:46:22.300 but

00:46:22.560 but this is a

00:46:27.140 a deeper and darker

00:46:28.540 variant of the pathway

00:46:29.980 to failure

00:46:30.560 you're in the underworld

00:46:31.880 you have to figure out

00:46:32.600 how the hell

00:46:33.220 you got there

00:46:34.020 and one of the first things

00:46:35.380 you're going to have to do

00:46:36.220 if you're going to wake up

00:46:37.120 and you're going to see

00:46:37.660 is you're going to have to

00:46:38.300 contend with the fact

00:46:39.400 of malevolence

00:46:40.060 yours

00:46:40.800 society's

00:46:42.520 the social structure

00:46:44.360 other people

00:46:45.240 all of that

00:46:46.060 and that's a

00:46:47.220 traumatizing experience

00:46:49.400 even if you're prepared

00:46:50.640 for it

00:46:51.280 what's the consequence

00:46:53.900 if you

00:46:54.660 manage it

00:46:55.880 you revivify

00:46:58.360 your culture

00:46:59.000 and you

00:47:00.400 develop the capacity

00:47:01.960 to be sovereign

00:47:02.820 that's the Egyptian story

00:47:04.620 it's an amazing story

00:47:06.140 in the Egyptian story

00:47:09.440 Osiris is male 0.63

00:47:10.760 masculine

00:47:11.420 and Isis 0.66

00:47:12.560 chaos

00:47:13.220 is female 0.97

00:47:14.040 now Isis 0.89

00:47:14.880 obviously

00:47:15.420 emerges in this story

00:47:16.620 as a revivifying force

00:47:18.100 while chaos

00:47:19.060 is the source

00:47:19.800 of new things

00:47:20.500 that's part of the reason

00:47:22.060 that it's feminine 0.62

00:47:22.920 it's the source

00:47:24.040 of new things

00:47:24.740 okay

00:47:25.320 why is order masculine 0.71

00:47:28.120 I think it's because

00:47:32.640 human hierarchies

00:47:35.860 are fundamentally

00:47:36.860 masculine

00:47:37.720 if you look at our

00:47:39.800 relationship to

00:47:40.720 chimpanzees 1.00

00:47:41.460 for example

00:47:42.060 our closest

00:47:43.580 biological relative

00:47:44.420 relative

00:47:45.060 chimpanzee social structures

00:47:46.880 are fundamentally

00:47:47.660 masculine

00:47:48.160 so the basic

00:47:49.680 social structure

00:47:51.160 is

00:47:52.060 stratified males

00:47:53.720 now the females 0.99

00:47:54.400 fit in there

00:47:55.280 but

00:47:55.940 the most dominant

00:47:57.720 individuals

00:47:59.620 are male

00:48:00.280 is that

00:48:02.640 the case

00:48:03.480 with human

00:48:03.860 beings

00:48:04.280 well

00:48:05.580 it certainly

00:48:07.520 was the case

00:48:08.160 for human

00:48:09.400 beings

00:48:09.780 up until

00:48:11.500 the very recent

00:48:12.320 present

00:48:13.500 and

00:48:15.200 I think

00:48:15.900 the fundamental

00:48:16.440 reason for that

00:48:17.180 was that

00:48:17.660 well

00:48:19.880 how could women 1.00

00:48:20.580 compete

00:48:21.080 they were so

00:48:23.020 overwhelmed

00:48:24.320 by their

00:48:25.460 reproductive

00:48:26.000 by their involuntary

00:48:27.700 reproductive

00:48:28.280 responsibilities

00:48:29.280 that

00:48:30.340 the hierarchical

00:48:32.080 structuring

00:48:32.700 had to be left

00:48:33.780 essentially to the

00:48:34.880 men

00:48:35.180 think well

00:48:35.860 is that a

00:48:36.440 contentious

00:48:37.400 proposition

00:48:39.560 well it's what

00:48:40.600 the

00:48:40.900 it's what the

00:48:42.440 radicals

00:48:43.740 claim

00:48:44.200 that our society

00:48:46.200 is fundamentally

00:48:46.960 patriarchal

00:48:47.860 now their claim

00:48:48.720 is that it's

00:48:49.240 fundamentally

00:48:49.880 oppressive

00:48:50.540 and patriarchal

00:48:51.380 which is a

00:48:51.920 completely different

00:48:52.620 claim

00:48:52.960 but

00:48:53.180 they're

00:48:54.020 inclined

00:48:55.120 and this would

00:48:56.160 include

00:48:56.700 the people

00:48:57.340 who are

00:48:57.860 criticizing

00:48:58.440 the manner

00:48:59.100 in which

00:48:59.480 I'm using

00:49:00.080 symbolic

00:49:01.080 representation

00:49:01.660 they use

00:49:02.600 exactly the

00:49:03.220 same symbolic

00:49:03.860 representational

00:49:04.700 structure

00:49:05.220 men organize

00:49:07.700 themselves into

00:49:08.360 hierarchies

00:49:09.060 and the

00:49:11.060 hierarchy

00:49:11.580 a hierarchy

00:49:12.780 points in a

00:49:14.220 single direction

00:49:14.900 and it

00:49:15.560 organizes

00:49:16.340 so you have

00:49:17.960 an internal

00:49:18.400 hierarchy that

00:49:19.140 guides you

00:49:19.620 you know

00:49:19.880 so for example

00:49:20.600 right now

00:49:21.140 at least in

00:49:21.960 principle

00:49:22.280 you're focused

00:49:23.040 on one thing

00:49:23.840 hopefully you're

00:49:24.960 focused on the

00:49:25.520 content of the

00:49:26.140 lecture

00:49:26.440 and maybe on

00:49:27.100 whatever thoughts

00:49:27.740 it might be

00:49:28.180 generating

00:49:28.660 but you're

00:49:29.360 focused on

00:49:29.780 one thing

00:49:30.320 it means that

00:49:31.160 all of the

00:49:32.160 other things

00:49:32.700 that you

00:49:33.140 could be

00:49:33.640 focused on

00:49:34.220 are inhibited

00:49:34.900 and you've

00:49:37.740 pulled one

00:49:38.420 thing out

00:49:39.160 to be

00:49:39.980 ruler above

00:49:41.360 all else

00:49:42.200 in this

00:49:42.880 situation

00:49:43.500 you cannot

00:49:44.780 perceive the

00:49:45.480 world without

00:49:46.100 using an

00:49:47.520 internal hierarchy

00:49:48.680 it's inevitable

00:49:50.040 and then that

00:49:51.500 hierarchy

00:49:51.900 think about

00:49:52.420 this

00:49:52.720 all of you

00:49:53.960 are here at

00:49:54.420 the same

00:49:54.720 time

00:49:55.180 at the

00:49:56.180 moment

00:49:56.380 and you're

00:49:56.660 all doing

00:49:56.980 the same

00:49:57.480 thing

00:49:57.980 and so that

00:49:58.720 hierarchy

00:49:59.260 of perception

00:50:00.360 that's guiding

00:50:01.220 the way that

00:50:01.720 you look at

00:50:02.100 the world

00:50:02.420 is also

00:50:03.220 organizing

00:50:04.020 the behavior

00:50:05.180 of everyone

00:50:05.620 in this room

00:50:06.260 and so there's

00:50:07.520 a concordance

00:50:08.400 between the

00:50:09.400 social hierarchy

00:50:10.280 and the

00:50:11.480 internal hierarchy

00:50:12.520 and that

00:50:13.960 concordance

00:50:15.380 is in fact

00:50:16.640 order

00:50:17.080 look when you

00:50:19.740 came in here

00:50:20.300 the chairs

00:50:21.760 weren't

00:50:22.220 randomly

00:50:23.300 positioned

00:50:23.820 right

00:50:25.120 they're all

00:50:25.500 facing the

00:50:26.080 stage

00:50:26.480 the room

00:50:27.520 has a story

00:50:28.220 embedded in

00:50:28.860 it

00:50:29.020 the story

00:50:29.960 is that we

00:50:30.440 all come in

00:50:30.960 here and

00:50:31.760 sit down and

00:50:32.440 face the

00:50:32.900 stage

00:50:33.320 because that's

00:50:34.300 where the

00:50:35.020 action is

00:50:35.700 if there's

00:50:36.540 going to be

00:50:36.840 any action

00:50:37.440 and we're

00:50:38.520 all agreed

00:50:39.140 that we're

00:50:39.920 going to

00:50:40.300 make this

00:50:42.020 the focal

00:50:42.560 point

00:50:43.040 and that

00:50:43.800 agreement

00:50:44.320 is a

00:50:46.820 hierarchical

00:50:48.000 arrangement of

00:50:48.540 value

00:50:48.800 we've decided

00:50:49.300 that this

00:50:49.760 is the

00:50:50.060 most valuable

00:50:50.720 thing at

00:50:51.200 the moment

00:50:51.540 nothing else

00:50:52.340 competes

00:50:52.960 to the degree

00:50:54.520 that you're

00:50:54.940 quiet and

00:50:55.700 listening

00:50:56.020 then you're

00:50:56.480 participating in

00:50:57.280 that

00:50:57.460 and it's

00:50:57.920 part of

00:50:58.300 social order

00:50:59.060 and so we

00:50:59.980 structure ourselves

00:51:00.800 into hierarchies

00:51:01.500 to produce

00:51:01.920 order

00:51:02.260 and the

00:51:03.160 hierarchy

00:51:03.640 the hierarchy

00:51:07.320 has a

00:51:07.760 fundamentally

00:51:08.280 masculine

00:51:08.840 symbolic

00:51:09.340 nature

00:51:09.800 and I

00:51:12.200 think it's

00:51:12.600 because the

00:51:13.060 complex

00:51:13.600 human

00:51:14.960 hierarchies

00:51:15.740 their

00:51:17.620 manifestations

00:51:18.220 of masculinity

00:51:19.200 it doesn't

00:51:20.160 mean women 1.00

00:51:20.620 don't

00:51:20.980 contribute

00:51:21.500 I don't

00:51:22.980 mean that

00:51:23.580 partly because

00:51:24.640 it isn't

00:51:25.880 the case

00:51:26.400 that men

00:51:27.580 are only

00:51:28.020 masculine

00:51:28.540 and women 0.76

00:51:29.000 are only 0.64

00:51:29.440 feminine

00:51:29.880 men have

00:51:33.740 a feminine 0.77

00:51:34.140 side and

00:51:34.600 women have 0.95

00:51:35.000 a masculine

00:51:35.520 side

00:51:35.980 and so that

00:51:38.140 additionally

00:51:38.560 complicates the

00:51:39.460 issue

00:51:39.800 and I'm not

00:51:40.820 going to

00:51:41.060 address that

00:51:41.600 at the

00:51:41.820 moment

00:51:42.060 because I

00:51:42.660 want to

00:51:42.860 stick closer

00:51:43.940 to the

00:51:44.260 main point

00:51:44.820 alright

00:51:45.680 the hierarchy

00:51:48.820 of value

00:51:49.320 is fundamentally

00:51:49.980 masculine

00:51:50.500 because complex

00:51:51.480 hierarchies

00:51:52.040 are fundamentally

00:51:52.960 the consequence

00:51:54.000 of masculine

00:51:54.640 activity

00:51:55.220 for better

00:51:56.300 or for worse

00:51:56.840 you might

00:51:57.880 debate that

00:51:58.500 and you

00:51:58.820 probably could

00:51:59.380 but

00:51:59.600 it's a

00:52:01.200 reasonable

00:52:01.520 proposition

00:52:02.160 back to

00:52:04.960 feminine

00:52:05.320 why is

00:52:05.920 feminine

00:52:06.280 chaos

00:52:06.900 okay

00:52:07.240 so we

00:52:07.640 said

00:52:07.880 well

00:52:08.160 the first

00:52:10.680 symbolic

00:52:11.600 analog

00:52:11.960 is that

00:52:12.600 chaos

00:52:14.200 and the

00:52:14.560 feminine

00:52:14.840 are the

00:52:15.280 same

00:52:15.600 because

00:52:15.900 new

00:52:16.200 forms

00:52:16.580 emerge

00:52:16.960 from

00:52:17.160 both

00:52:17.480 that's

00:52:18.200 a

00:52:18.300 fundamental

00:52:19.000 symbolic

00:52:19.700 equivalence

00:52:20.260 it's

00:52:20.700 what

00:52:20.840 makes

00:52:21.100 the

00:52:21.280 metaphor

00:52:21.540 work

00:52:22.020 when

00:52:22.560 you

00:52:22.700 encounter

00:52:23.080 something

00:52:23.460 chaotic

00:52:23.960 something

00:52:25.640 new

00:52:25.900 can

00:52:26.080 emerge

00:52:26.460 and

00:52:27.280 it's

00:52:28.740 the

00:52:29.000 feminine

00:52:29.340 out

00:52:29.660 of

00:52:29.800 which

00:52:30.020 new

00:52:30.280 things

00:52:30.620 emerge

00:52:31.040 alright

00:52:32.580 why

00:52:32.980 else

00:52:33.340 why

00:52:34.660 else

00:52:34.920 is

00:52:35.060 the

00:52:35.200 feminine

00:52:35.520 characterized

00:52:36.920 as

00:52:37.340 chaotic

00:52:37.760 now

00:52:40.220 I

00:52:40.420 can't

00:52:40.740 tell

00:52:40.940 if

00:52:41.120 this

00:52:41.280 is

00:52:41.400 a

00:52:41.540 human

00:52:41.780 universal

00:52:42.280 or

00:52:42.560 if

00:52:42.700 this

00:52:42.840 is

00:52:42.960 something

00:52:43.260 that's

00:52:43.980 mostly

00:52:44.400 characteristic

00:52:45.060 of

00:52:45.340 the

00:52:45.460 experience

00:52:45.960 of

00:52:46.160 men

00:52:46.500 but

00:52:47.320 I

00:52:48.400 think

00:52:48.740 it's

00:52:48.960 a

00:52:49.060 universal

00:52:49.540 you

00:52:53.660 have

00:52:53.900 twice

00:52:54.260 as

00:52:54.460 many

00:52:54.700 female 0.86

00:52:55.120 ancestors

00:52:55.660 as

00:52:55.940 male

00:52:56.180 ancestors

00:52:56.720 alright

00:52:58.360 so

00:52:58.600 what

00:52:58.880 that

00:52:59.080 means

00:52:59.320 is

00:52:59.480 that

00:52:59.620 on

00:52:59.780 average

00:53:00.160 men

00:53:00.440 are

00:53:00.600 half

00:53:01.000 as

00:53:01.220 successful

00:53:01.800 reproductively

00:53:02.680 as

00:53:03.380 women 1.00

00:53:03.680 okay

00:53:04.400 you

00:53:04.520 might

00:53:04.660 think

00:53:04.880 well

00:53:05.000 how

00:53:05.140 can

00:53:05.320 you

00:53:05.420 have

00:53:05.620 twice

00:53:05.920 as

00:53:06.140 many

00:53:06.360 female 0.86

00:53:06.720 ancestors

00:53:07.200 as

00:53:07.500 male

00:53:07.700 that

00:53:07.860 doesn't

00:53:08.080 make

00:53:08.260 any

00:53:08.460 sense

00:53:08.720 it's

00:53:08.880 like

00:53:09.040 yes

00:53:09.260 it

00:53:09.400 does

00:53:09.660 here's

00:53:09.940 how

00:53:10.060 it

00:53:10.180 would

00:53:10.300 make

00:53:10.500 sense

00:53:10.820 imagine

00:53:11.500 that

00:53:11.700 on

00:53:11.880 average

00:53:12.180 every

00:53:12.440 woman 0.99

00:53:12.700 had

00:53:12.900 one

00:53:13.140 child

00:53:13.520 throughout

00:53:14.020 the

00:53:14.200 entire

00:53:14.480 history

00:53:14.860 of

00:53:14.980 humanity

00:53:15.800 then

00:53:19.020 imagine

00:53:19.380 that

00:53:19.580 half

00:53:19.840 of

00:53:19.980 the

00:53:20.080 men

00:53:20.240 had

00:53:20.420 zero

00:53:20.740 and

00:53:20.880 the

00:53:20.980 other

00:53:21.100 half

00:53:21.300 had

00:53:21.520 two

00:53:21.900 well

00:53:23.860 that's

00:53:24.140 basically

00:53:24.660 what

00:53:24.980 happened

00:53:25.400 like

00:53:25.680 if

00:53:25.800 you

00:53:25.940 strip

00:53:26.320 it

00:53:26.460 down

00:53:26.680 and

00:53:26.820 you

00:53:26.940 look

00:53:27.100 at

00:53:27.200 it

00:53:27.320 mathematically

00:53:27.960 that's

00:53:28.380 what

00:53:28.500 happened

00:53:28.860 and

00:53:29.460 so

00:53:29.640 men

00:53:30.120 to

00:53:32.000 be

00:53:32.260 male

00:53:32.740 is

00:53:33.080 to

00:53:33.300 be

00:53:33.660 much

00:53:34.420 more

00:53:34.720 susceptible

00:53:35.440 to

00:53:36.220 radical

00:53:36.940 failure

00:53:37.740 at

00:53:38.500 reproduction

00:53:39.120 why

00:53:40.500 women 1.00

00:53:44.040 are 0.89

00:53:44.280 sexually 0.61

00:53:45.360 selective

00:53:45.960 and

00:53:47.420 this

00:53:47.720 turns out

00:53:48.100 to be

00:53:48.360 a big

00:53:48.660 deal

00:53:48.940 so

00:53:49.220 look

00:53:49.460 there's

00:53:50.300 two

00:53:50.660 forces

00:53:51.580 that

00:53:51.940 drive

00:53:52.420 evolutionary

00:53:53.240 selection

00:53:53.820 speaking

00:53:55.180 biologically

00:53:55.760 there's

00:53:56.340 natural

00:53:56.800 selection

00:53:57.320 don't

00:53:58.440 get

00:53:58.620 eaten

00:53:58.860 by

00:53:59.080 a

00:53:59.240 grizzly

00:53:59.540 bear

00:53:59.820 because

00:54:01.140 then

00:54:01.360 you're 1.00

00:54:01.560 dead 1.00

00:54:01.920 and

00:54:02.320 if

00:54:02.460 you're 0.99

00:54:02.600 dead 1.00

00:54:02.860 you

00:54:03.180 don't

00:54:03.420 reproduce

00:54:03.800 but

00:54:05.440 to

00:54:06.140 not

00:54:06.380 be

00:54:06.640 selected

00:54:07.100 as

00:54:07.380 a

00:54:07.560 mate

00:54:07.860 is

00:54:08.100 also

00:54:08.400 reproductive

00:54:08.960 death

00:54:09.580 and

00:54:10.220 so

00:54:10.400 Darwin

00:54:10.800 identified

00:54:11.320 this

00:54:11.620 very

00:54:11.860 early

00:54:12.140 when

00:54:12.340 he

00:54:12.460 was

00:54:12.600 laying

00:54:12.800 out

00:54:12.960 the

00:54:13.080 theory

00:54:13.260 of

00:54:13.380 evolution

00:54:13.740 natural

00:54:14.380 selection

00:54:14.800 and

00:54:15.200 sexual

00:54:15.760 selection

00:54:16.320 and

00:54:16.820 Darwin

00:54:17.200 actually

00:54:17.560 believed

00:54:17.920 that

00:54:18.100 sexual

00:54:18.420 selection

00:54:18.840 was

00:54:19.420 at

00:54:19.760 least

00:54:20.200 as

00:54:20.460 powerful

00:54:20.880 a

00:54:21.080 force

00:54:21.320 as

00:54:21.480 natural

00:54:21.820 selection

00:54:22.300 can

00:54:23.320 you

00:54:23.480 find

00:54:23.740 a

00:54:23.880 mate

00:54:24.160 and

00:54:24.500 reproduce

00:54:24.860 well

00:54:26.320 let's

00:54:28.720 contrast

00:54:29.120 for a

00:54:29.600 minute

00:54:29.780 chimpanzees 1.00

00:54:33.180 and human

00:54:33.500 beings

00:54:33.800 once

00:54:34.060 again

00:54:34.340 the

00:54:36.240 evidence

00:54:36.620 suggests

00:54:37.120 that

00:54:37.340 human

00:54:37.600 beings

00:54:37.960 have

00:54:38.180 diverged

00:54:39.000 more

00:54:39.420 from

00:54:40.040 our

00:54:40.260 common

00:54:41.340 ancestor

00:54:41.920 with

00:54:42.180 chimpanzees 1.00

00:54:42.920 than

00:54:43.300 chimpanzees 1.00

00:54:44.080 have

00:54:44.420 okay

00:54:45.660 so chimps

00:54:46.440 are more

00:54:46.760 like

00:54:47.020 whatever

00:54:48.640 we were

00:54:49.160 both

00:54:49.500 like

00:54:49.840 7 million

00:54:50.540 years

00:54:50.880 ago

00:54:51.100 than

00:54:51.280 we

00:54:51.500 are

00:54:51.760 we've

00:54:52.640 transformed

00:54:53.220 ourselves

00:54:53.680 radically

00:54:54.100 you can

00:54:54.680 tell that

00:54:55.100 by looking

00:54:55.540 at a

00:54:55.860 chimp

00:54:56.160 they look

00:54:57.360 very

00:54:57.580 different

00:54:57.900 than

00:54:58.100 us

00:54:58.280 they're

00:54:58.440 a lot

00:54:58.660 shorter

00:54:59.020 they don't

00:54:59.540 stand

00:54:59.800 upright

00:55:00.140 they're

00:55:01.500 basically

00:55:01.900 vegetarian

00:55:02.500 because

00:55:02.800 they're

00:55:02.920 not

00:55:03.100 great

00:55:03.400 hunters

00:55:03.760 they have

00:55:04.520 tremendous

00:55:05.020 gut

00:55:05.400 area

00:55:05.760 where

00:55:06.040 we have

00:55:06.760 traded

00:55:07.040 that

00:55:07.260 in

00:55:07.440 for

00:55:07.620 brain

00:55:08.040 which

00:55:08.560 might

00:55:09.100 have

00:55:09.240 not

00:55:09.420 been

00:55:09.660 a

00:55:09.960 great

00:55:10.160 idea

00:55:10.520 but

00:55:10.760 it's

00:55:11.080 nonetheless

00:55:11.440 what

00:55:11.720 we

00:55:11.840 decided

00:55:14.420 we've

00:55:15.080 undergone

00:55:15.620 tremendously

00:55:16.340 rapid

00:55:16.800 cortical

00:55:17.360 development

00:55:18.600 well

00:55:19.300 and here

00:55:20.220 we are

00:55:20.600 we're not

00:55:21.920 in the jungle

00:55:22.460 chewing on

00:55:23.220 leaves

00:55:23.460 eight hours

00:55:23.880 a day

00:55:24.120 we're

00:55:24.320 sitting

00:55:24.580 in this

00:55:24.880 lecture hall

00:55:25.360 in Zurich

00:55:25.800 instead

00:55:26.160 and it

00:55:27.260 took

00:55:27.400 7 million

00:55:28.020 years

00:55:28.360 to get

00:55:28.740 here

00:55:28.980 and it

00:55:29.420 was

00:55:29.520 hard

00:55:29.820 going

00:55:30.280 so

00:55:31.080 why

00:55:33.800 are we

00:55:34.220 so

00:55:34.440 different

00:55:34.880 well

00:55:36.360 here's

00:55:36.580 one

00:55:36.760 explanation

00:55:37.340 it's

00:55:37.820 because

00:55:38.040 human

00:55:38.360 females 0.96

00:55:38.700 are

00:55:38.900 sexually 0.61

00:55:39.220 selective

00:55:39.720 now

00:55:40.560 a human

00:55:41.560 a chimpanzee

00:55:42.420 female 0.86

00:55:42.760 goes into

00:55:43.520 heat

00:55:43.880 and

00:55:44.920 when

00:55:45.040 she

00:55:45.160 goes

00:55:45.360 into

00:55:45.520 heat

00:55:45.720 all

00:55:45.880 the

00:55:46.020 males 0.81

00:55:46.240 can

00:55:46.460 tell

00:55:46.820 and

00:55:47.400 she

00:55:47.660 will

00:55:47.980 indiscriminately

00:55:49.460 mate

00:55:49.880 with

00:55:50.120 any

00:55:50.400 of

00:55:50.600 them

00:55:50.860 now

00:55:52.080 the

00:55:52.280 dominant

00:55:52.680 males 0.81

00:55:53.040 tend

00:55:53.360 to

00:55:53.540 mate

00:55:53.760 more

00:55:54.020 often

00:55:54.360 but

00:55:54.520 that's

00:55:54.780 because

00:55:54.920 they

00:55:55.080 chase

00:55:55.580 the

00:55:55.820 subordinate

00:55:56.260 males 0.81

00:55:56.620 away

00:55:56.980 it's

00:55:57.560 not

00:55:57.780 because

00:55:58.140 the

00:55:58.400 females 0.96

00:55:58.880 prefer

00:55:59.280 the

00:55:59.540 dominant

00:55:59.880 males 0.81

00:56:00.360 but

00:56:01.800 that's

00:56:02.080 not

00:56:02.220 the

00:56:02.400 case

00:56:02.600 for

00:56:02.780 human

00:56:03.060 beings

00:56:03.460 it's

00:56:03.860 not

00:56:04.040 the

00:56:04.200 case

00:56:04.420 for

00:56:04.620 female 0.86

00:56:05.040 human

00:56:05.480 beings

00:56:05.840 they're

00:56:06.320 sexually 0.66

00:56:06.720 selective

00:56:07.200 they have

00:56:07.700 hidden

00:56:08.020 ovulation

00:56:08.700 and

00:56:09.860 they

00:56:10.040 are

00:56:10.280 definitely

00:56:11.000 more

00:56:11.360 likely

00:56:11.740 to

00:56:12.020 mate

00:56:12.420 across

00:56:13.100 and

00:56:13.380 up

00:56:13.680 hierarchies

00:56:14.480 it appears

00:56:15.720 to be

00:56:16.020 a human

00:56:16.320 universal

00:56:16.860 human

00:56:17.700 females 0.96

00:56:18.400 are

00:56:18.760 sexually 0.61

00:56:19.380 choosy

00:56:20.220 what's

00:56:22.380 the

00:56:22.480 consequence

00:56:22.880 of that

00:56:23.360 well

00:56:24.000 one

00:56:24.340 consequence

00:56:25.020 of that

00:56:25.600 perhaps

00:56:26.400 is that

00:56:27.060 we evolved

00:56:28.380 unbelievably

00:56:28.920 rapidly

00:56:29.360 over the

00:56:29.800 last

00:56:30.140 seven

00:56:30.400 million

00:56:30.600 years

00:56:30.860 driven

00:56:31.240 by

00:56:31.500 sexual

00:56:31.880 selection

00:56:32.360 see

00:56:32.940 what

00:56:33.320 women 1.00

00:56:33.600 seem

00:56:33.860 to

00:56:34.000 have

00:56:34.160 done

00:56:34.460 as

00:56:34.680 far

00:56:34.860 as

00:56:34.980 I

00:56:35.080 can

00:56:35.220 tell

00:56:35.460 is

00:56:36.020 outsource

00:56:36.820 the

00:56:37.040 problem

00:56:37.380 of

00:56:37.580 mate

00:56:37.800 selection

00:56:38.280 in a

00:56:39.040 brilliant

00:56:39.480 quasi

00:56:40.440 free

00:56:40.900 market

00:56:41.380 approach

00:56:44.200 how do

00:56:45.220 you

00:56:45.320 calculate

00:56:45.700 the

00:56:45.860 value

00:56:46.100 of

00:56:46.220 a

00:56:46.320 man

00:56:46.600 how

00:56:47.520 the 0.91

00:56:48.240 hell 0.58

00:56:48.440 do 0.79

00:56:48.580 you

00:56:48.700 know

00:56:48.960 you

00:56:49.360 were

00:56:49.760 just

00:56:49.940 born

00:56:50.420 18

00:56:50.760 years

00:56:51.160 ago

00:56:51.380 what

00:56:51.560 do

00:56:51.660 you

00:56:51.780 know

00:56:51.980 you

00:56:52.120 don't

00:56:52.220 know

00:56:52.300 how

00:56:52.380 to

00:56:52.500 calculate

00:56:52.840 the

00:56:53.020 value

00:56:53.240 of

00:56:53.360 a

00:56:53.500 man

00:56:53.880 who

00:56:54.480 does

00:56:54.960 well

00:56:55.800 how

00:56:56.240 about

00:56:56.420 other

00:56:56.640 men

00:56:57.040 there's

00:56:58.260 a

00:56:58.420 proposition

00:56:59.360 how

00:56:59.920 about

00:57:00.080 if

00:57:00.200 you

00:57:00.380 line

00:57:01.080 up

00:57:01.200 all

00:57:01.340 the

00:57:01.440 men

00:57:01.600 and

00:57:01.720 let

00:57:01.880 them

00:57:02.040 compete

00:57:02.620 at

00:57:03.000 whatever

00:57:03.220 they're

00:57:03.400 competing

00:57:03.680 at

00:57:03.880 and

00:57:04.260 then

00:57:04.480 like

00:57:05.160 some

00:57:05.460 guy

00:57:05.680 wins

00:57:06.100 and

00:57:06.320 so

00:57:06.480 he's

00:57:06.680 the

00:57:06.820 better

00:57:07.020 man

00:57:07.440 why

00:57:07.960 not

00:57:08.100 go

00:57:08.220 after

00:57:08.440 him

00:57:08.780 well

00:57:09.600 that's

00:57:09.840 a

00:57:09.980 hell

00:57:10.560 of

00:57:10.680 a

00:57:10.800 fine

00:57:11.060 solution

00:57:12.200 to

00:57:12.460 the

00:57:12.580 problem

00:57:12.860 of

00:57:13.000 mate

00:57:13.180 selection

00:57:13.620 it's

00:57:14.220 like

00:57:14.400 it's

00:57:14.860 a

00:57:15.260 distributed

00:57:15.840 solution

00:57:16.500 right

00:57:16.740 you can

00:57:17.020 let

00:57:17.180 the

00:57:17.360 intelligence

00:57:17.880 of the

00:57:18.360 entire

00:57:18.740 society

00:57:19.580 rank

00:57:20.440 order

00:57:20.940 masculinity

00:57:22.620 in terms

00:57:23.300 of value

00:57:23.820 and you

00:57:24.100 can peel

00:57:24.420 from the

00:57:24.780 top

00:57:25.120 and that's

00:57:25.780 exactly

00:57:26.160 what

00:57:26.380 women 1.00

00:57:26.660 appear

00:57:27.020 to

00:57:27.180 do

00:57:27.400 if

00:57:27.600 you

00:57:27.720 look

00:57:27.920 at

00:57:28.060 their

00:57:28.220 biological

00:57:28.840 strategy

00:57:29.380 and you

00:57:29.560 think

00:57:29.700 well

00:57:29.840 why

00:57:30.040 would

00:57:30.220 they

00:57:30.340 do

00:57:30.540 that

00:57:30.740 it's

00:57:30.900 like

00:57:31.060 well

00:57:31.260 how

00:57:32.440 about

00:57:32.680 because

00:57:33.000 they

00:57:33.220 bear

00:57:33.480 the

00:57:33.700 primary

00:57:34.160 responsibility

00:57:34.940 and burden

00:57:35.600 for

00:57:35.840 reproduction

00:57:36.400 how

00:57:37.020 would

00:57:37.160 that

00:57:37.360 be

00:57:37.640 it's

00:57:38.400 like

00:57:38.580 and

00:57:38.720 they

00:57:38.960 know

00:57:39.220 it

00:57:39.480 unlike

00:57:40.100 chimpanzee 0.64

00:57:40.860 females 0.96

00:57:41.160 it's

00:57:41.320 like

00:57:41.440 well

00:57:41.560 I'm

00:57:41.720 going

00:57:41.800 to

00:57:41.840 have

00:57:41.980 a

00:57:42.120 baby

00:57:42.400 it's

00:57:42.620 like

00:57:42.740 I

00:57:42.860 should

00:57:43.000 probably

00:57:43.240 find

00:57:43.540 someone

00:57:43.860 halfways

00:57:45.140 useful

00:57:45.720 to

00:57:45.960 help

00:57:46.260 me

00:57:46.480 with

00:57:46.780 it

00:57:46.980 and

00:57:47.980 so

00:57:48.180 that's

00:57:49.020 pure

00:57:49.560 pragmatic

00:57:50.220 reasoning

00:57:50.720 and I

00:57:51.000 think

00:57:51.140 that's

00:57:51.400 part

00:57:51.620 of

00:57:51.720 what

00:57:51.840 drives

00:57:52.160 it

00:57:52.280 but

00:57:52.400 I

00:57:52.520 think

00:58:00.220 sexually 0.61

00:58:00.460 attractive

00:58:00.980 to

00:58:01.220 females 0.96

00:58:01.540 and I

00:58:01.820 think

00:58:02.000 the

00:58:02.160 data

00:58:02.420 for

00:58:02.920 that

00:58:03.240 is

00:58:03.720 overwhelming

00:58:04.300 and I

00:58:05.020 think

00:58:05.220 it's

00:58:05.420 in

00:58:05.560 perfect

00:58:05.840 concordance

00:58:06.400 with

00:58:06.580 what

00:58:07.200 everyone

00:58:07.580 essentially

00:58:08.480 knows

00:58:09.040 even though

00:58:09.600 we might

00:58:09.900 not

00:58:10.120 want

00:58:10.720 to

00:58:10.860 know

00:58:11.040 it

00:58:11.260 that's

00:58:13.360 almost

00:58:13.580 always

00:58:13.980 a sign

00:58:14.360 that it's

00:58:14.680 something

00:58:14.900 you should

00:58:15.360 know

00:58:15.760 it's

00:58:16.380 like

00:58:16.560 I

00:58:16.880 don't

00:58:17.020 want

00:58:17.200 to

00:58:17.280 know

00:58:17.480 that

00:58:17.820 it's

00:58:17.980 like

00:58:18.100 oh

00:58:18.240 for

00:58:18.440 sure

00:58:18.700 it's

00:58:18.940 true

00:58:19.220 then

00:58:19.460 it's

00:58:19.660 like

00:58:19.820 it's

00:58:20.020 definitely

00:58:20.400 true

00:58:20.940 so

00:58:21.780 alright

00:58:23.860 so

00:58:24.100 what does

00:58:24.480 that have

00:58:24.840 to do

00:58:25.120 with

00:58:25.280 femininity

00:58:25.800 as 0.97

00:58:26.060 chaos

00:58:26.640 well

00:58:28.000 how

00:58:28.120 about

00:58:28.300 this

00:58:28.740 how

00:58:34.940 do

00:58:35.040 you

00:58:35.120 know

00:58:35.240 you're

00:58:35.420 not

00:58:35.580 in

00:58:35.700 order

00:58:35.980 if

00:58:36.940 you're

00:58:37.080 a

00:58:37.200 man

00:58:37.520 that's

00:58:38.280 easy

00:58:38.560 all

00:58:39.520 the

00:58:39.640 women 1.00

00:58:39.820 reject 0.69

00:58:40.240 you

00:58:40.500 and

00:58:42.140 if

00:58:42.280 you

00:58:42.500 think

00:58:42.700 that

00:58:42.880 doesn't

00:58:43.200 throw

00:58:43.480 you

00:58:43.680 into

00:58:43.900 chaos

00:58:44.280 then

00:58:44.680 you're

00:58:45.160 not

00:58:45.460 thinking

00:58:46.160 it's

00:58:47.760 the

00:58:47.960 primary

00:58:48.440 thing

00:58:48.820 that

00:58:49.600 will

00:58:50.160 and

00:58:50.480 should

00:58:50.900 throw

00:58:51.200 you

00:58:51.380 into

00:58:51.560 chaos

00:58:51.920 because

00:58:52.420 if

00:58:52.560 all

00:58:52.780 the

00:58:52.940 women 1.00

00:58:53.160 reject 0.69

00:58:53.660 you

00:58:53.980 well

00:58:56.200 that

00:58:56.360 either

00:58:56.560 means

00:58:56.780 all

00:58:56.940 the

00:58:57.040 women 1.00

00:58:57.200 are

00:58:57.380 wrong

00:58:57.800 or

00:58:59.080 that

00:58:59.240 there's

00:58:59.440 something

00:58:59.680 wrong

00:59:00.060 with

00:59:00.280 you

00:59:00.540 and

00:59:01.360 the

00:59:01.500 probability

00:59:01.980 that

00:59:02.260 it's

00:59:02.480 all

00:59:02.860 the

00:59:03.120 women 1.00

00:59:03.440 who

00:59:03.680 are

00:59:03.860 wrong

00:59:04.360 and

00:59:04.780 there's

00:59:04.940 not

00:59:05.120 something

00:59:05.440 wrong

00:59:05.700 with

00:59:05.860 you

00:59:06.080 is

00:59:06.320 basically

00:59:06.780 zero

00:59:07.300 so

00:59:09.780 part

00:59:10.740 of the

00:59:10.960 reason

00:59:11.220 that

00:59:11.400 women 1.00

00:59:11.860 are

00:59:12.060 represented

00:59:12.540 as

00:59:12.840 chaos

00:59:13.400 now

00:59:13.860 and

00:59:14.100 this

00:59:14.280 is

00:59:14.400 you

00:59:14.960 could

00:59:15.100 think

00:59:15.280 well

00:59:15.420 that's

00:59:15.700 a

00:59:15.820 male

00:59:16.040 point

00:59:16.360 of

00:59:16.500 view

00:59:16.640 it's

00:59:16.840 like

00:59:17.080 possibly

00:59:19.120 possibly

00:59:21.020 maybe

00:59:23.140 it's

00:59:23.340 a

00:59:23.440 uniquely

00:59:23.720 male

00:59:24.020 point

00:59:24.260 of

00:59:24.380 view

00:59:24.460 but

00:59:24.600 I'm

00:59:24.740 not

00:59:24.920 convinced

00:59:25.440 that

00:59:25.660 it

00:59:25.780 is

00:59:26.060 anyhow

00:59:26.520 there's

00:59:28.100 no

00:59:28.500 rejection

00:59:29.280 greater

00:59:29.760 than

00:59:30.080 rejection

00:59:30.560 at the

00:59:30.920 level

00:59:31.120 of

00:59:31.260 sexual

00:59:31.580 selection

00:59:32.060 because

00:59:33.520 it's

00:59:33.660 a

00:59:33.820 fundamental

00:59:34.300 rejection

00:59:34.900 right

00:59:35.540 it's

00:59:35.720 like

00:59:35.900 I've

00:59:36.500 summed

00:59:36.800 you

00:59:36.940 up

00:59:37.260 your

00:59:39.300 genetic

00:59:39.700 material

00:59:40.140 shouldn't

00:59:40.520 propagate

00:59:40.920 into

00:59:41.240 the

00:59:41.400 next

00:59:41.580 generation

00:59:42.220 okay

00:59:48.400 so

00:59:48.660 chaos

00:59:49.100 and

00:59:49.320 so

00:59:49.480 the

00:59:49.660 feminine

00:59:49.940 is

00:59:50.180 also

00:59:50.440 nature

00:59:50.860 it's

00:59:51.140 nature

00:59:51.500 and

00:59:51.720 chaos

00:59:52.040 well

00:59:52.280 why

00:59:52.640 well

00:59:53.060 look

00:59:53.380 if

00:59:53.860 that's

00:59:54.120 the

00:59:54.300 fundamental

00:59:54.960 process

00:59:56.480 of

00:59:56.920 selection

00:59:57.760 evolutionary

00:59:58.280 selection

00:59:58.840 among

00:59:59.120 human

00:59:59.400 beings

00:59:59.740 and

00:59:59.880 I

01:00:00.000 think

01:00:00.140 the

01:00:00.280 evidence

01:00:00.540 for

01:00:00.700 that

01:00:00.840 is

01:00:00.960 pretty

01:00:01.140 strong

01:00:01.440 then

01:00:01.840 women 1.00

01:00:02.200 are

01:00:02.640 nature

01:00:03.140 it's

01:00:03.800 not

01:00:03.940 even

01:00:04.120 symbolic

01:00:04.680 if

01:00:05.560 nature

01:00:05.960 is

01:00:06.180 what

01:00:06.380 selects

01:00:06.980 which

01:00:07.120 is

01:00:07.220 how

01:00:07.340 you

01:00:07.480 have

01:00:07.660 to

01:00:07.800 define

01:00:08.140 it

01:00:08.280 if

01:00:08.420 you're

01:00:08.580 thinking

01:00:08.820 biologically

01:00:09.460 nature

01:00:10.200 is

01:00:10.620 that

01:00:11.020 which

01:00:11.280 selects

01:00:12.200 in

01:00:12.540 the

01:00:12.660 Darwinian

01:00:13.140 struggle

01:00:13.500 it's

01:00:14.720 an

01:00:15.080 axiomatic

01:00:15.820 definition

01:00:16.400 okay

01:00:16.760 what

01:00:17.000 selects

01:00:17.500 women 1.00

01:00:17.920 then

01:00:18.500 are

01:00:18.680 they

01:00:18.820 nature

01:00:19.300 yes

01:00:20.120 and

01:00:20.540 so

01:00:20.720 what's

01:00:21.000 the

01:00:21.180 encounter

01:00:21.720 with

01:00:22.400 a

01:00:22.540 rejecting

01:00:23.020 woman 0.99

01:00:23.440 like

01:00:23.840 for

01:00:24.080 a

01:00:24.240 man

01:00:24.580 it's

01:00:25.080 an

01:00:25.200 encounter

01:00:25.540 with

01:00:25.860 chaotic

01:00:26.760 nature

01:00:27.300 and

01:00:27.740 nature

01:00:28.280 says

01:00:28.700 not

01:00:29.360 you

01:00:29.900 okay

01:00:31.600 so

01:00:31.840 that's

01:00:32.100 the

01:00:32.260 second

01:00:32.580 reason

01:00:33.000 that's

01:00:33.480 the

01:00:33.640 second

01:00:33.940 reason

01:00:34.280 that

01:00:34.500 chaos

01:00:34.940 and

01:00:35.180 femininity

01:00:35.720 seem

01:00:36.020 to

01:00:36.140 be

01:00:36.280 associated

01:00:36.840 okay

01:00:37.440 here's

01:00:37.740 another

01:00:38.120 women 1.00

01:00:39.300 are

01:00:39.480 higher

01:00:39.720 in

01:00:39.860 negative

01:00:40.100 emotion

01:00:40.520 than

01:00:40.720 men

01:00:41.060 quite

01:00:42.260 a bit

01:00:42.540 higher

01:00:42.900 now

01:00:44.340 that

01:00:44.500 doesn't

01:00:44.740 mean

01:00:44.900 that

01:00:45.060 there

01:00:45.200 aren't

01:00:45.400 some

01:00:45.660 men

01:00:45.940 who

01:00:46.120 experience

01:00:46.620 more

01:00:46.840 negative

01:00:47.160 emotion

01:00:47.600 on

01:00:47.820 average

01:00:48.200 than

01:00:48.680 women 1.00

01:00:49.000 because

01:00:49.800 the

01:00:50.000 curves

01:00:50.260 overlap

01:00:50.900 but

01:00:51.580 across

01:00:52.320 cultures

01:00:52.920 men

01:00:54.480 are more 0.80

01:00:54.780 disagreeable 0.52

01:00:55.400 and women

01:00:55.820 are higher

01:00:56.200 in

01:00:56.340 negative

01:00:56.600 emotion

01:00:57.080 all right

01:00:58.360 so

01:00:58.600 and that

01:00:59.280 seems to

01:00:59.660 kick in

01:00:59.960 at

01:01:00.100 puberty

01:01:00.440 by the

01:01:00.820 way

01:01:00.960 because

01:01:01.220 it

01:01:01.360 doesn't

01:01:01.560 seem

01:01:01.720 to

01:01:01.840 be

01:01:01.960 characteristic

01:01:02.440 of

01:01:02.700 boys

01:01:02.900 and

01:01:03.080 girls 0.98

01:01:03.300 and

01:01:03.740 it

01:01:03.840 doesn't

01:01:04.280 seem

01:01:04.460 to

01:01:04.580 be

01:01:04.680 a

01:01:04.800 consequence

01:01:05.180 of

01:01:05.440 socialization

01:01:06.180 it

01:01:06.640 looks

01:01:07.400 like

01:01:07.660 a

01:01:07.780 cultural

01:01:08.120 universal

01:01:08.660 also

01:01:09.880 the

01:01:10.640 differences

01:01:11.120 in

01:01:11.380 negative

01:01:11.660 emotion

01:01:12.040 between

01:01:12.320 men

01:01:12.520 and

01:01:12.620 women 1.00

01:01:12.800 get

01:01:13.040 bigger

01:01:13.480 in

01:01:13.700 more

01:01:13.900 egalitarian

01:01:14.460 countries

01:01:14.960 not

01:01:15.360 smaller

01:01:15.780 so

01:01:16.900 that's

01:01:17.160 also

01:01:17.360 something

01:01:17.680 that's

01:01:17.900 very much

01:01:18.260 worthwhile

01:01:18.700 okay

01:01:19.180 so

01:01:19.440 why are

01:01:20.160 women 1.00

01:01:20.400 more prone

01:01:20.860 negative

01:01:21.260 negative

01:01:21.280 emotion

01:01:21.680 than

01:01:21.880 men

01:01:22.140 well

01:01:26.140 they're

01:01:27.700 smaller

01:01:28.140 and

01:01:30.560 so

01:01:30.680 that's

01:01:30.960 one

01:01:31.160 possibility

01:01:31.720 and

01:01:31.920 that

01:01:32.060 really

01:01:32.280 kicks

01:01:32.560 in

01:01:32.700 at

01:01:32.820 puberty

01:01:33.120 and

01:01:33.360 so

01:01:33.580 you

01:01:34.000 might

01:01:34.180 say

01:01:34.380 that

01:01:34.560 in

01:01:34.680 a

01:01:34.840 physical

01:01:35.260 altercation

01:01:36.300 they're

01:01:37.240 more

01:01:37.440 likely

01:01:37.740 to

01:01:38.000 lose

01:01:38.440 and

01:01:39.440 so

01:01:39.600 maybe

01:01:39.820 you

01:01:40.020 might

01:01:40.200 say

01:01:40.420 well

01:01:40.620 the

01:01:40.840 creature

01:01:41.380 who's

01:01:41.980 more

01:01:42.260 likely

01:01:42.620 to

01:01:42.880 lose

01:01:43.240 a

01:01:43.420 physical

01:01:43.740 altercation

01:01:44.520 should

01:01:45.200 be

01:01:45.420 on

01:01:45.660 average

01:01:46.120 somewhat

01:01:46.600 more

01:01:46.960 anxious

01:01:47.340 so

01:01:48.240 that's

01:01:48.440 one

01:01:48.640 possibility

01:01:49.300 another

01:01:50.580 possibility

01:01:51.180 is

01:01:51.760 how

01:01:52.320 about

01:01:52.500 sexual

01:01:53.040 vulnerability

01:01:53.640 that's

01:01:54.980 a good

01:01:55.200 one

01:01:55.440 that would

01:01:55.880 go along

01:01:56.360 with the

01:01:56.680 fact that

01:01:57.080 the emotional

01:01:57.560 differences

01:01:57.960 kick in

01:01:58.400 at puberty

01:01:58.900 so right

01:01:59.940 sex is a 0.99

01:02:00.500 dangerous 0.97

01:02:00.840 business

01:02:01.300 for men

01:02:01.700 and for

01:02:02.040 women 1.00

01:02:02.300 but it's

01:02:02.900 very very

01:02:03.580 dangerous

01:02:03.980 for women

01:02:04.460 because they

01:02:05.140 might get

01:02:05.540 pregnant 0.80

01:02:05.960 and you

01:02:06.520 know

01:02:06.680 now

01:02:07.420 that's

01:02:07.940 not a

01:02:08.300 catastrophe

01:02:08.900 an unwanted

01:02:09.540 pregnancy

01:02:10.000 for a

01:02:10.380 variety

01:02:10.680 of reasons

01:02:11.060 but

01:02:11.260 a hundred

01:02:11.800 years

01:02:12.140 ago

01:02:12.460 not even

01:02:13.680 that

01:02:13.920 it was

01:02:14.300 a complete

01:02:14.880 bloody

01:02:15.240 catastrophe

01:02:15.880 it

01:02:16.540 could

01:02:17.020 easily

01:02:17.420 have

01:02:17.680 meant

01:02:18.060 social

01:02:18.820 alienation

01:02:19.600 at

01:02:20.160 minimum

01:02:20.580 and it

01:02:21.040 could

01:02:21.180 easily

01:02:21.460 mean

01:02:21.740 death

01:02:22.180 it

01:02:22.540 wasn't

01:02:23.260 good

01:02:24.140 and so

01:02:25.380 women 1.00

01:02:27.440 have

01:02:28.500 manifest

01:02:30.300 increased

01:02:30.940 vulnerability

01:02:31.420 with regards

01:02:32.140 to sex

01:02:32.740 so that's

01:02:33.420 another thing

01:02:33.860 that should

01:02:34.140 make them

01:02:34.540 more sensitive

01:02:35.160 to negative

01:02:36.040 emotion

01:02:36.480 here's

01:02:37.840 here's

01:02:37.860 here's

01:02:37.880 another

01:02:38.120 one

01:02:38.440 it's

01:02:38.660 like

01:02:38.840 well

01:02:39.060 maybe

01:02:41.840 maybe

01:02:42.320 the female 1.00

01:02:43.340 nervous

01:02:43.740 system

01:02:44.080 isn't

01:02:44.800 wired

01:02:45.460 for

01:02:46.520 the

01:02:47.100 woman 0.99

01:02:47.440 maybe

01:02:49.300 the female 1.00

01:02:49.840 nervous

01:02:50.160 system

01:02:50.440 is wired

01:02:50.940 for the

01:02:51.380 woman 0.99

01:02:51.820 infant

01:02:52.460 dyad

01:02:53.260 now

01:02:54.700 you know

01:02:55.060 women are 1.00

01:02:55.620 going to

01:02:55.780 pay a

01:02:56.080 price

01:02:56.400 for being

01:02:56.780 the

01:02:56.960 fundamental

01:02:57.500 caregivers

01:02:58.080 what's

01:02:58.640 the price

01:02:59.140 we have

01:02:59.660 to be

01:02:59.880 sensitive

01:03:00.220 to the

01:03:00.680 infant

01:03:01.020 especially

01:03:01.520 the infant

01:03:02.140 less so

01:03:02.940 with older

01:03:03.380 children

01:03:03.800 but the

01:03:04.340 infant

01:03:04.740 you know

01:03:05.020 an infant

01:03:05.440 is just

01:03:05.900 it just

01:03:06.560 can't do

01:03:07.080 anything

01:03:07.540 all it

01:03:07.960 can do

01:03:08.280 is emit

01:03:08.920 distress

01:03:09.840 and vaguely

01:03:11.240 and so

01:03:11.800 you have to

01:03:12.480 respond to

01:03:13.140 the distress

01:03:13.520 it has to

01:03:14.180 distress you

01:03:15.340 and so

01:03:16.060 if you're not

01:03:16.420 sensitive to

01:03:17.000 negative emotion

01:03:17.640 that's not

01:03:18.180 going to

01:03:18.560 happen

01:03:18.820 you want to

01:03:19.700 be pretty

01:03:20.040 sensitive to

01:03:20.720 your infant's

01:03:21.280 distress

01:03:21.560 like maybe

01:03:22.300 not so much

01:03:22.860 that it

01:03:23.120 just puts

01:03:24.280 you into

01:03:24.600 a tailspin

01:03:25.340 from which

01:03:25.780 you never

01:03:26.160 recover

01:03:26.580 although

01:03:26.900 motherhood

01:03:27.560 has been

01:03:27.880 known to

01:03:28.280 do that

01:03:28.680 to people

01:03:29.140 but at

01:03:30.700 least sensitive

01:03:31.280 enough so

01:03:31.760 that you're

01:03:32.160 there when

01:03:32.820 there's

01:03:33.600 manifestation

01:03:34.400 of distress

01:03:35.280 and so

01:03:36.720 and maybe

01:03:37.880 you also need

01:03:38.340 to be able

01:03:38.580 to communicate

01:03:39.120 that distress

01:03:39.820 in a compelling

01:03:41.020 manner

01:03:41.480 to your

01:03:42.160 partner

01:03:42.580 who's

01:03:43.760 less

01:03:44.500 susceptible

01:03:45.920 to the same

01:03:47.080 degree of

01:03:47.600 distress

01:03:48.080 and so

01:03:48.720 that's another

01:03:50.440 way that

01:03:50.860 women are 1.00

01:03:51.560 agents of 1.00

01:03:52.180 chaos

01:03:52.540 in some

01:03:53.240 sense

01:03:53.700 is that

01:03:54.080 they're

01:03:54.600 transmitters

01:03:55.560 of distress

01:03:56.220 related

01:03:56.620 negative

01:03:57.020 emotion

01:03:57.520 they transmit

01:03:58.680 that to

01:03:59.160 men

01:03:59.500 you say

01:04:04.840 well are

01:04:05.140 those bad

01:04:05.580 things

01:04:05.820 are good

01:04:06.120 things

01:04:06.360 it's like

01:04:06.660 it's

01:04:06.900 it's not

01:04:07.520 it's not

01:04:08.320 the right

01:04:08.560 way of

01:04:08.800 looking at

01:04:09.300 it

01:04:09.500 because

01:04:10.080 they're

01:04:10.300 necessary

01:04:10.740 things

01:04:11.360 you know

01:04:12.740 we have

01:04:13.660 to

01:04:13.940 we pay

01:04:16.340 a price

01:04:16.800 for

01:04:17.120 propagating

01:04:17.900 ourselves

01:04:18.240 across

01:04:18.560 time

01:04:18.860 we pay

01:04:19.140 a price

01:04:19.540 for

01:04:19.760 reproducing

01:04:20.640 successfully

01:04:21.720 and the

01:04:23.320 price we

01:04:23.720 pay

01:04:24.100 and we

01:04:25.520 pay a price

01:04:25.980 for our

01:04:26.460 enhanced

01:04:27.200 cognitive

01:04:27.660 ability

01:04:28.140 part of

01:04:28.940 that is

01:04:29.300 the

01:04:30.280 susceptibility

01:04:30.980 of men

01:04:31.360 to sexual

01:04:31.860 rejection

01:04:32.360 and our

01:04:33.400 entanglement

01:04:34.160 in the

01:04:34.780 brutal

01:04:35.500 process 0.50

01:04:36.120 of sexual

01:04:36.680 selection

01:04:37.120 across

01:04:37.540 hundreds

01:04:38.340 of thousands

01:04:38.860 of years

01:04:39.460 there's a

01:04:48.860 story in

01:04:49.480 in Tom

01:04:51.020 Sawyer

01:04:51.500 it's an

01:04:52.060 interesting

01:04:52.380 story

01:04:52.680 this is

01:04:53.100 a bit

01:04:53.640 of a

01:04:53.860 more

01:04:53.980 positive

01:04:54.520 representation

01:04:56.620 of the

01:04:57.160 idea

01:04:57.380 of chaos

01:04:57.940 the feminine

01:04:59.820 idea

01:05:00.140 of chaos

01:05:00.600 Tom

01:05:05.300 Sawyer

01:05:05.760 comes out

01:05:06.580 of his

01:05:06.760 house

01:05:06.940 one day

01:05:07.320 and he's

01:05:07.560 like

01:05:07.720 13

01:05:08.320 or 14

01:05:08.800 and he

01:05:09.660 sees this

01:05:10.140 girl 0.91

01:05:10.480 across the

01:05:11.020 street

01:05:11.200 her name

01:05:11.480 is Becky

01:05:11.940 and he's

01:05:13.200 transfixed

01:05:13.740 by her

01:05:14.200 it's like

01:05:15.340 sexual

01:05:17.300 maturity

01:05:17.780 has dawned

01:05:18.480 on him

01:05:18.800 and he's

01:05:19.160 like

01:05:19.400 attracted

01:05:20.920 by her

01:05:21.380 and so

01:05:21.940 the first

01:05:22.240 thing he

01:05:22.500 does

01:05:22.680 is he

01:05:22.880 hops up

01:05:23.280 on a

01:05:23.480 fence

01:05:23.840 and balances

01:05:25.460 like this

01:05:26.180 right

01:05:27.100 so it's a

01:05:27.960 display

01:05:28.500 and it's

01:05:30.100 like

01:05:30.380 she's

01:05:33.040 she represents

01:05:36.840 a challenge

01:05:37.440 to him

01:05:37.880 and the way

01:05:39.400 that he

01:05:39.900 responds to

01:05:41.800 that challenge

01:05:42.380 in that

01:05:42.740 narrative

01:05:43.060 is by

01:05:43.500 manifesting

01:05:44.440 something

01:05:44.820 that approximates

01:05:45.760 competence

01:05:47.040 and so

01:05:48.940 what you

01:05:49.240 could say

01:05:49.640 is that

01:05:50.020 the desire

01:05:52.540 to

01:05:52.960 captivate

01:05:55.780 a female 0.98

01:05:57.740 that you're

01:05:58.620 attracted to

01:05:59.320 calls out

01:06:00.920 of you

01:06:01.320 at least

01:06:02.180 in principle

01:06:02.660 what might

01:06:03.180 be the

01:06:03.580 best

01:06:03.980 from you

01:06:04.620 maybe that's

01:06:06.780 another reason

01:06:07.300 that women 1.00

01:06:07.640 are chaos 0.99

01:06:08.300 that feminine

01:06:10.240 is chaos

01:06:10.880 I read

01:06:14.380 this line

01:06:14.840 once

01:06:15.160 I don't

01:06:15.800 know what

01:06:16.000 you think

01:06:16.300 about this

01:06:16.780 but it's

01:06:17.360 never really

01:06:17.800 disappeared

01:06:18.400 from my

01:06:18.940 imagination

01:06:19.920 and maybe

01:06:21.580 it's a

01:06:21.900 terribly

01:06:22.240 sexist

01:06:22.960 idea

01:06:23.400 who knows

01:06:24.820 men test

01:06:28.680 ideas

01:06:29.260 women test 1.00

01:06:30.260 men

01:06:30.700 it isn't

01:06:34.260 obvious which

01:06:34.800 of those is the

01:06:35.360 more difficult

01:06:35.800 process by the way

01:06:36.860 by any stretch

01:06:37.580 of the imagination

01:06:38.220 it's not also

01:06:39.340 obvious which of

01:06:40.360 them is more

01:06:40.860 worthwhile

01:06:41.360 but

01:06:42.940 I do think

01:06:46.140 another possible

01:06:47.000 reason that

01:06:47.620 femininity is 1.00

01:06:48.420 associated with

01:06:49.200 chaos symbolically

01:06:50.160 is because

01:06:50.640 women constantly 1.00

01:06:52.160 challenge men

01:06:53.200 and they

01:06:55.100 challenge them

01:06:55.820 to be

01:06:56.800 it's better

01:06:59.100 than they are

01:06:59.980 maybe that's it

01:07:01.080 but better

01:07:01.940 and why

01:07:03.800 well it's because

01:07:04.660 women are often 1.00

01:07:06.260 put in a position

01:07:06.980 where they have to

01:07:07.560 depend on men 0.98

01:07:08.320 that's definitely

01:07:08.960 the case

01:07:09.520 when they have

01:07:10.660 small children

01:07:11.560 right so

01:07:12.240 they have to

01:07:13.240 put themselves

01:07:14.260 now especially

01:07:15.540 voluntarily

01:07:16.620 in a situation

01:07:18.200 of dependence

01:07:18.940 it's like well

01:07:19.540 what are you

01:07:19.840 going to do

01:07:20.400 like if you

01:07:21.740 were a few

01:07:22.360 guys if you

01:07:23.000 were a woman

01:07:23.440 and that was

01:07:24.700 going to happen

01:07:25.140 to you

01:07:25.540 you're going to

01:07:26.500 make yourself

01:07:27.440 vulnerable because

01:07:28.180 you had to take

01:07:28.680 care of this

01:07:29.260 tiny thing that

01:07:30.700 was completely

01:07:31.620 incapable of taking

01:07:32.580 care of itself

01:07:33.140 and you had to

01:07:33.840 pick a partner

01:07:34.500 it's like well

01:07:35.780 you might hope

01:07:36.300 that they were

01:07:36.720 better

01:07:37.180 because you

01:07:38.360 need them

01:07:39.000 and so there's

01:07:40.180 a challenge that

01:07:40.960 women put forward

01:07:41.760 and men are often

01:07:42.660 in some sense

01:07:43.780 not up to it

01:07:44.420 I'm not saying

01:07:44.960 that women always 1.00

01:07:45.540 do that in the

01:07:46.200 most what would

01:07:47.580 you call it

01:07:48.120 it's not like

01:07:50.920 they don't

01:07:51.500 it's not like

01:07:52.140 they do that

01:07:52.760 error free

01:07:53.760 but there's

01:07:54.560 something driving

01:07:55.380 it right

01:07:55.980 it's something

01:07:56.680 you have to

01:07:57.260 contend with

01:07:57.880 it's like well

01:07:58.420 a human infant

01:08:00.300 is a very

01:08:00.800 vulnerable creature

01:08:02.180 you know

01:08:02.940 you see that

01:08:03.500 in stories of

01:08:04.060 the birth of

01:08:04.500 the hero

01:08:04.800 the hero's

01:08:05.440 always threatened

01:08:05.980 at birth

01:08:06.500 you see that

01:08:07.120 in the story

01:08:07.480 of Moses

01:08:07.960 because the

01:08:08.360 pharaoh wants

01:08:08.840 to put everybody

01:08:09.540 every firstborn 1.00

01:08:10.560 Jew to death 1.00

01:08:11.680 and then you see 0.99

01:08:12.440 the same thing

01:08:13.080 in the birth of

01:08:14.140 Christ

01:08:14.480 you see that

01:08:15.160 in Harry Potter

01:08:16.400 who's threatened

01:08:17.060 at birth

01:08:17.540 well why

01:08:18.400 is that part of

01:08:19.520 the central hero

01:08:20.240 narrative

01:08:20.560 it's because

01:08:20.820 everyone's threatened

01:08:21.560 at birth

01:08:22.160 right

01:08:23.040 each new person

01:08:24.340 is a potential

01:08:25.120 well I would say

01:08:27.340 has an aspect

01:08:29.560 of the potential

01:08:30.580 savior about them

01:08:31.760 that's their potential

01:08:32.780 they're threatened

01:08:33.640 at birth

01:08:34.180 well that's

01:08:34.800 a mother's

01:08:35.220 responsibility

01:08:35.820 well she's

01:08:36.820 going to do

01:08:37.180 what she can

01:08:37.880 to buttress

01:08:39.540 that vulnerability

01:08:40.340 against the world

01:08:41.220 and she's going

01:08:41.720 to look at the

01:08:42.320 adult male

01:08:43.860 who's beside her

01:08:44.700 and think

01:08:45.060 look I've got

01:08:46.180 something that

01:08:46.760 really needs to

01:08:47.360 be taken care

01:08:48.080 of here

01:08:48.480 and it's not

01:08:49.380 you

01:08:49.900 and that's

01:08:52.980 correct

01:08:53.560 but it's

01:08:54.200 demanding

01:08:56.220 you know

01:08:57.340 it really is

01:08:58.580 demanding

01:08:59.120 for that call

01:09:01.820 to go out

01:09:02.340 to each

01:09:02.840 male who

01:09:04.460 enters a

01:09:04.880 relationship

01:09:05.320 to be

01:09:06.440 responsible

01:09:07.660 like for

01:09:08.760 20 years

01:09:09.940 to grow up

01:09:11.160 and carry

01:09:11.880 that weight

01:09:12.520 properly

01:09:13.080 and that's

01:09:14.340 not the other

01:09:14.880 thing is

01:09:15.280 you're not

01:09:15.760 just going to

01:09:16.220 grow up

01:09:16.640 because someone

01:09:17.160 asks you

01:09:17.720 nicely

01:09:18.140 you know

01:09:18.460 you're with

01:09:18.880 your partner

01:09:19.360 and they say

01:09:20.040 well you know

01:09:20.840 how about

01:09:21.500 you grow up

01:09:21.980 and you say

01:09:22.280 yeah no problem

01:09:23.060 and then you

01:09:23.780 go to sleep

01:09:24.280 and then you

01:09:24.720 wake up

01:09:25.160 and you're

01:09:25.400 all grown up

01:09:26.140 it's like

01:09:26.500 that isn't

01:09:27.120 how it works

01:09:27.740 you're going to

01:09:28.520 have to be 0.98

01:09:28.980 tortured 0.62

01:09:29.360 three quarters

01:09:30.100 to death

01:09:30.760 before you 0.85

01:09:31.900 grow up

01:09:32.320 and that

01:09:33.900 three quarters

01:09:34.700 that needs 0.82

01:09:35.300 to be tortured 1.00

01:09:35.920 to death 0.79

01:09:36.560 is all the

01:09:37.080 part of you

01:09:37.560 that's not

01:09:38.180 mature

01:09:38.960 and responsible

01:09:39.840 and it has 0.90

01:09:40.800 to be tortured 0.99

01:09:41.300 to death 0.88

01:09:41.800 because it 0.99

01:09:42.300 has to die 0.99

01:09:43.200 because if it 1.00

01:09:43.980 doesn't

01:09:44.300 then the

01:09:44.700 new you

01:09:45.160 that might

01:09:45.620 be fully

01:09:46.480 fledged

01:09:47.000 let's say

01:09:47.520 and responsible

01:09:48.340 to be all

01:09:49.420 that you

01:09:49.740 could be

01:09:50.140 to use a

01:09:50.620 terrible

01:09:50.960 cliche

01:09:51.420 it's like

01:09:52.220 it's tension

01:09:53.280 that brings

01:09:53.980 that forward

01:09:54.760 and so

01:09:55.720 there is this

01:09:56.760 tension between

01:09:57.660 men and

01:09:58.080 women 1.00

01:09:58.320 and it's

01:09:59.020 and I

01:10:00.000 think we

01:10:00.900 wouldn't ever

01:10:01.760 be happy

01:10:02.280 if that

01:10:02.600 wasn't the

01:10:02.920 case

01:10:03.120 here's a

01:10:03.720 very funny

01:10:04.400 psychological

01:10:04.980 study

01:10:05.500 it's probably

01:10:06.400 not true

01:10:06.960 because so

01:10:07.960 many of

01:10:08.300 them aren't

01:10:08.700 but I'm

01:10:09.380 going to

01:10:09.580 tell it to

01:10:09.960 you anyways

01:10:10.380 because I

01:10:10.740 love the

01:10:11.140 study

01:10:11.440 so

01:10:12.320 imagine that

01:10:14.580 you get

01:10:15.000 couples to

01:10:15.520 relate how

01:10:15.980 satisfied

01:10:16.420 they are

01:10:17.600 with their

01:10:18.000 relationship

01:10:18.420 to rate it

01:10:19.060 on a scale

01:10:19.600 from one

01:10:20.060 to ten

01:10:20.440 and you

01:10:21.160 take the

01:10:21.540 satisfied

01:10:22.080 people

01:10:24.060 and you

01:10:24.340 take the

01:10:24.660 dissatisfied

01:10:25.200 people

01:10:25.540 and then you

01:10:25.920 get them

01:10:26.300 to track

01:10:27.540 the emotional

01:10:28.920 valence of

01:10:29.740 their interactions

01:10:30.520 so you interact

01:10:31.980 with your

01:10:32.300 partner

01:10:32.660 was it

01:10:33.580 positive or

01:10:34.040 negative

01:10:34.360 and so

01:10:36.100 then you

01:10:36.520 you know

01:10:36.940 you can

01:10:37.240 average how

01:10:37.780 many positive

01:10:38.320 interactions

01:10:38.880 there are

01:10:39.260 compared to

01:10:39.660 how many

01:10:39.920 negative

01:10:40.260 interactions

01:10:40.780 you think

01:10:41.160 well the

01:10:41.820 couples that

01:10:42.360 really love

01:10:43.280 each other

01:10:43.640 it's like

01:10:43.980 it's all

01:10:45.160 positive

01:10:45.680 and then the

01:10:47.140 couples that

01:10:47.520 aren't doing

01:10:47.920 bad

01:10:48.220 it's all

01:10:48.600 or doing

01:10:49.060 badly

01:10:49.360 it's all

01:10:49.640 negative

01:10:50.000 it's like

01:10:50.440 no

01:10:51.760 that isn't

01:10:52.200 how it

01:10:52.440 works

01:10:52.780 if your

01:10:54.340 relationship

01:10:54.840 falls beneath

01:10:55.940 four positive

01:10:57.320 to one

01:10:57.820 negative

01:10:58.240 interactions

01:10:58.960 then it's

01:11:00.040 done

01:11:00.540 that's too

01:11:01.720 much

01:11:01.960 negativity

01:11:02.520 but if it

01:11:04.160 goes above

01:11:04.740 eleven to

01:11:05.500 one positive

01:11:06.320 to negative

01:11:06.880 it's also

01:11:07.660 done

01:11:08.040 why

01:11:09.720 because that

01:11:10.740 isn't

01:11:11.060 you don't

01:11:11.620 want

01:11:11.980 untrammeled

01:11:12.940 bliss

01:11:13.280 from your

01:11:13.800 partner

01:11:14.240 because that

01:11:15.480 would kind

01:11:15.820 of imply

01:11:16.240 that you

01:11:17.400 are both

01:11:17.820 okay

01:11:18.140 exactly the

01:11:18.800 way you

01:11:19.100 are

01:11:19.300 well you're

01:11:19.680 not

01:11:20.100 you're not

01:11:20.980 anywhere near

01:11:21.860 what you

01:11:22.240 could be

01:11:22.660 and you

01:11:23.580 know that

01:11:24.040 but so

01:11:24.340 does your

01:11:24.640 partner

01:11:25.040 about each

01:11:26.040 other

01:11:26.260 and so

01:11:26.560 you've

01:11:26.760 got to

01:11:27.000 poke and

01:11:27.660 prod at

01:11:28.080 each other

01:11:28.460 bits

01:11:28.680 like

01:11:28.920 fix yourself

01:11:30.420 up for

01:11:30.880 Christ's

01:11:31.300 sake

01:11:31.500 it's like

01:11:31.820 well you

01:11:32.360 too

01:11:32.760 it's like

01:11:33.520 you fix

01:11:34.480 yourself

01:11:34.840 up

01:11:35.120 no you

01:11:35.600 fix

01:11:35.940 yourself

01:11:36.320 up

01:11:36.560 it's like

01:11:36.880 yeah we'll

01:11:37.280 both fix

01:11:37.780 ourselves

01:11:38.120 up

01:11:38.380 and there's

01:11:38.660 going to

01:11:38.820 be some 1.00

01:11:39.140 damn 0.99

01:11:39.380 tension 0.99

01:11:39.840 around

01:11:40.180 that

01:11:40.540 and so

01:11:41.400 that's

01:11:42.000 another

01:11:42.240 part of

01:11:42.720 the

01:11:43.740 that dynamic

01:11:45.620 that struggle

01:11:46.420 between chaos

01:11:47.300 and order

01:11:47.780 that's

01:11:49.180 necessary to

01:11:50.140 call

01:11:50.560 something

01:11:51.500 approximating

01:11:52.280 the best

01:11:52.900 forward

01:11:53.540 all right

01:11:55.440 so those

01:11:57.840 are the

01:11:58.120 reasons

01:11:58.460 as far

01:11:58.920 as I

01:11:59.180 can tell

01:11:59.580 let's

01:12:01.640 recap a

01:12:02.200 little bit

01:12:02.560 it's

01:12:06.180 necessary

01:12:06.600 for us

01:12:07.180 to understand

01:12:08.020 at some

01:12:08.460 deep level

01:12:09.040 the nature

01:12:09.480 of the

01:12:09.780 world

01:12:09.960 that we

01:12:10.200 live in

01:12:10.500 and we

01:12:10.700 do that

01:12:11.060 with stories

01:12:11.720 the stories

01:12:13.100 try to

01:12:13.480 lay out

01:12:14.040 they try

01:12:16.960 to lay

01:12:17.960 out the

01:12:18.340 structure

01:12:18.680 of the

01:12:18.960 world

01:12:19.160 that we

01:12:19.500 have to

01:12:19.920 contend

01:12:20.360 with

01:12:20.600 and walk

01:12:21.120 through

01:12:21.340 it's not

01:12:21.720 the same

01:12:22.320 as the

01:12:22.620 objective

01:12:23.060 world

01:12:23.440 it's the

01:12:24.340 world of

01:12:24.820 emotion

01:12:25.640 and motivation

01:12:26.380 and dream

01:12:27.140 and literature

01:12:28.120 and struggle

01:12:28.880 it's the

01:12:29.440 living

01:12:30.380 biological

01:12:31.080 world

01:12:31.700 and that's

01:12:33.280 portrayed in

01:12:33.820 stories

01:12:34.200 and the

01:12:34.500 stories tell

01:12:35.040 us

01:12:35.200 well there's

01:12:35.600 two fundamental

01:12:36.240 domains of

01:12:36.780 existence

01:12:37.180 there's an

01:12:37.760 orderly

01:12:38.340 domain

01:12:38.620 and a

01:12:38.900 chaotic

01:12:39.240 domain

01:12:39.680 and then

01:12:40.780 there's a

01:12:41.080 process

01:12:41.440 that mediates

01:12:42.160 between those

01:12:42.700 two

01:12:42.860 and that's

01:12:43.200 reality

01:12:43.680 that's the

01:12:44.160 yin and

01:12:44.500 the yang

01:12:44.940 by the way

01:12:45.580 you know

01:12:46.360 the Taoists

01:12:47.500 knew this

01:12:48.000 the world

01:12:48.400 was made

01:12:48.740 out of

01:12:49.020 chaos

01:12:49.280 and order

01:12:49.700 and it's

01:12:50.360 masculine

01:12:50.900 it's feminine 0.95

01:12:52.400 and masculine

01:12:53.000 for them

01:12:53.560 as well

01:12:53.960 it's the

01:12:54.340 same

01:12:54.580 metaphorical

01:12:56.560 structure

01:12:56.980 and the

01:12:58.080 place you're

01:12:58.720 supposed to

01:12:59.120 be is in

01:12:59.480 the middle

01:12:59.800 of those

01:13:00.200 two things

01:13:00.780 right

01:13:01.020 that's

01:13:01.420 where meaning

01:13:02.000 is to be

01:13:02.540 found

01:13:02.880 well how

01:13:05.120 did we

01:13:05.440 come to

01:13:06.200 realize this

01:13:07.820 to the

01:13:08.240 degree that

01:13:08.700 we have

01:13:09.120 well

01:13:09.340 these

01:13:10.660 domains

01:13:11.900 manifested

01:13:12.820 themselves

01:13:13.440 in our

01:13:14.200 imagination

01:13:14.900 in personified

01:13:16.020 form

01:13:16.560 masculine

01:13:17.600 and feminine

01:13:18.200 why

01:13:18.960 well because

01:13:19.480 that's how

01:13:19.820 we understood

01:13:20.360 the world

01:13:21.000 we understood

01:13:21.960 the world

01:13:22.300 as a place

01:13:22.840 of personalities

01:13:23.600 that were

01:13:23.900 masculine

01:13:24.320 and feminine

01:13:24.840 we had to

01:13:25.480 use some

01:13:26.420 pre-existing

01:13:27.500 cognitive

01:13:28.100 structure

01:13:28.740 to come

01:13:30.220 to grips

01:13:30.720 with the

01:13:31.140 way that

01:13:31.460 we represented

01:13:32.020 the world

01:13:32.420 well that

01:13:32.700 happened

01:13:32.980 naturally

01:13:33.400 in stories

01:13:34.100 and the

01:13:35.380 masculine

01:13:35.880 tended to

01:13:36.540 represent

01:13:36.880 order

01:13:37.220 and the

01:13:37.540 feminine

01:13:37.860 tended to

01:13:38.560 represent

01:13:39.260 chaos

01:13:39.720 and I

01:13:40.480 explained

01:13:41.060 I told you

01:13:41.700 some stories

01:13:42.300 about

01:13:42.620 the same

01:13:43.960 thing happens

01:13:44.520 in Genesis

01:13:45.140 for example

01:13:45.940 God who's

01:13:47.040 masculine

01:13:47.580 right

01:13:48.180 God the

01:13:48.620 father

01:13:48.920 encounters

01:13:49.880 chaos at

01:13:50.800 the beginning

01:13:51.200 of time

01:13:51.700 it's

01:13:52.220 tohu

01:13:52.720 vabohu

01:13:53.420 and that's

01:13:54.900 a word

01:13:55.300 that's

01:13:55.500 related to

01:13:56.040 the

01:13:56.200 Mesopotamian

01:13:56.920 word

01:13:57.180 tiamat

01:13:57.740 and it's

01:13:58.360 associated

01:13:58.980 with the

01:13:59.360 same

01:13:59.660 set of

01:14:00.260 ideas

01:14:00.620 that some

01:14:01.040 orderly

01:14:01.540 structure

01:14:01.940 encounters

01:14:02.460 something

01:14:02.820 chaotic

01:14:03.280 and generates

01:14:03.940 something

01:14:04.320 new

01:14:04.680 and so

01:14:05.460 that's

01:14:05.700 right at

01:14:06.020 the

01:14:06.140 foundational

01:14:06.720 that

01:14:07.320 idea is

01:14:08.480 right at

01:14:08.700 the foundation

01:14:09.420 of our

01:14:09.860 culture

01:14:10.320 and so

01:14:12.820 that's the

01:14:13.240 evidence

01:14:13.680 for me

01:14:14.320 that Egyptian 0.98

01:14:15.180 story

01:14:15.560 the Mesopotamian

01:14:16.320 story

01:14:16.720 the story

01:14:17.440 in Genesis

01:14:18.020 the analysis

01:14:18.760 of their

01:14:19.200 symbolic

01:14:19.600 structure

01:14:20.160 is evidence

01:14:21.120 that

01:14:21.480 though

01:14:22.020 as well

01:14:22.700 as the

01:14:23.020 Taoist

01:14:23.500 interpretation

01:14:24.660 which maps

01:14:25.320 which uses

01:14:27.040 exactly the

01:14:27.700 same mapping

01:14:28.260 structure

01:14:28.680 that's the

01:14:29.480 evidence

01:14:29.840 and that's

01:14:30.260 not all

01:14:30.640 the evidence

01:14:31.120 that these

01:14:31.660 symbolic

01:14:32.060 categories

01:14:32.600 exist

01:14:33.100 I don't

01:14:33.840 believe

01:14:34.140 that I'm

01:14:34.460 just

01:14:34.620 pulling

01:14:34.980 them

01:14:35.180 out

01:14:35.340 of

01:14:35.460 thin

01:14:35.780 air

01:14:36.120 maybe

01:14:37.400 I am

01:14:37.900 you know

01:14:38.180 it's

01:14:38.400 very difficult

01:14:39.080 to tell

01:14:39.500 if you're

01:14:39.860 projecting

01:14:40.500 or

01:14:40.780 discovering

01:14:41.420 but

01:14:42.360 well I've

01:14:43.520 laid out

01:14:43.780 my case

01:14:44.260 for discovery

01:14:44.900 and not

01:14:45.280 projection

01:14:45.780 how to

01:14:49.100 wrap that

01:14:49.560 up

01:14:49.800 well I've

01:14:52.180 answered the

01:14:52.620 question

01:14:53.020 as well

01:14:54.200 as I

01:14:54.500 can

01:14:54.820 and what

01:14:56.060 I haven't

01:14:56.520 answered

01:14:56.820 and what

01:14:57.100 I need

01:14:57.400 to answer

01:14:57.780 still

01:14:58.100 is

01:14:58.300 why

01:14:59.360 it is

01:14:59.840 that

01:15:00.040 you should

01:15:00.500 care

01:15:00.880 about

01:15:01.180 that

01:15:01.520 you know

01:15:02.600 because

01:15:02.820 well that's

01:15:03.520 that's the

01:15:03.980 take home

01:15:05.080 message

01:15:05.500 right

01:15:05.820 now

01:15:06.080 I told you

01:15:07.900 some reasons

01:15:08.560 I think

01:15:08.920 you need

01:15:09.280 to know

01:15:09.880 the underlying

01:15:11.600 architecture

01:15:12.180 the structure

01:15:13.060 of the underlying

01:15:13.680 narrative

01:15:14.120 architecture

01:15:15.060 of the world

01:15:15.560 because you

01:15:15.960 need to

01:15:16.340 know

01:15:16.840 where you

01:15:18.220 are

01:15:18.520 are you

01:15:18.760 in order

01:15:19.180 are you

01:15:19.480 in chaos

01:15:19.980 if you're

01:15:20.360 in chaos

01:15:20.760 what do

01:15:21.160 you do

01:15:21.520 you open

01:15:21.980 your eyes

01:15:22.420 you wake

01:15:22.840 up

01:15:23.060 you face

01:15:23.520 what you

01:15:23.800 don't want

01:15:24.120 to confront

01:15:24.700 and that

01:15:25.540 helps you

01:15:26.100 overcome

01:15:26.700 what put

01:15:27.380 you in

01:15:27.720 chaos

01:15:28.020 and build

01:15:28.460 new order

01:15:28.800 you need

01:15:29.140 to know

01:15:29.440 that

01:15:29.680 it's

01:15:30.180 absolutely

01:15:30.880 crucial

01:15:31.400 you ask

01:15:32.600 yourself

01:15:32.980 like if

01:15:33.340 you're in

01:15:33.640 chaos

01:15:33.960 you ask

01:15:34.420 yourself

01:15:34.820 it's a

01:15:36.040 good

01:15:36.180 prayer

01:15:36.600 what could

01:15:38.940 I see

01:15:39.280 that I'm

01:15:39.640 unwilling

01:15:39.920 to see

01:15:40.320 that would

01:15:40.600 guide me

01:15:41.040 out of

01:15:41.340 this hell

01:15:41.960 that's a

01:15:43.760 good thing

01:15:44.100 to ask

01:15:44.600 you know

01:15:44.960 and you

01:15:45.840 will see

01:15:47.140 if you want

01:15:47.900 to

01:15:48.120 that's the

01:15:49.100 thing

01:15:49.420 you can

01:15:50.560 see if

01:15:51.020 you want

01:15:51.360 to

01:15:51.460 you won't

01:15:52.020 want to

01:15:52.520 but if you

01:15:53.880 don't

01:15:54.260 you'll stay

01:15:54.860 there

01:15:55.240 and that's

01:15:56.600 not good

01:15:57.200 and so these

01:15:58.020 are crucial

01:15:58.940 things to know

01:15:59.620 because you

01:16:00.100 will be in

01:16:00.800 chaos

01:16:01.280 and you

01:16:02.160 need to

01:16:02.660 get out

01:16:03.120 and that's

01:16:04.440 how you

01:16:04.700 get out

01:16:05.220 okay so

01:16:06.300 it's

01:16:06.840 so

01:16:07.060 and the

01:16:08.040 stories

01:16:08.440 that we've

01:16:09.280 created

01:16:09.640 these stories

01:16:10.180 over so

01:16:10.620 many

01:16:10.780 thousands

01:16:11.200 of years

01:16:11.680 in an

01:16:12.020 attempt

01:16:12.380 to

01:16:12.740 formulate

01:16:13.860 what guides

01:16:14.820 us

01:16:15.040 and to

01:16:15.540 transmit

01:16:16.200 the knowledge

01:16:16.840 forward

01:16:17.280 it's something

01:16:17.780 like that

01:16:18.180 to orient

01:16:18.580 ourselves

01:16:18.980 while we're

01:16:19.600 alive

01:16:19.860 but also

01:16:20.260 to provide

01:16:20.900 that orientation

01:16:21.780 for future

01:16:22.600 generations

01:16:23.200 it's a

01:16:23.600 collective work

01:16:24.820 of the human

01:16:25.300 imagination

01:16:25.880 across

01:16:26.400 millennia

01:16:27.320 and that's

01:16:29.420 what I was

01:16:29.860 trying to

01:16:30.260 explain

01:16:30.840 at least

01:16:31.260 in part

01:16:31.700 in 12

01:16:32.160 rules

01:16:32.460 it wasn't

01:16:32.860 there was

01:16:33.300 no attempt

01:16:33.900 to

01:16:34.260 like

01:16:34.760 pejoratively

01:16:35.820 describe

01:16:36.700 women as 0.98

01:16:37.700 chaos

01:16:38.180 and men

01:16:38.780 as order

01:16:39.240 and to

01:16:39.580 make the

01:16:39.960 case

01:16:40.200 that one

01:16:40.580 was preferable

01:16:41.280 to another

01:16:41.780 I don't

01:16:43.040 believe that

01:16:43.700 anyways

01:16:44.020 it was

01:16:44.440 it's an

01:16:45.100 attempt

01:16:45.420 to

01:16:45.740 elaborate

01:16:46.640 out

01:16:47.180 the

01:16:47.760 fundamental

01:16:48.480 structures

01:16:49.040 of the

01:16:49.460 narratives

01:16:49.820 that guide

01:16:50.400 us

01:16:50.600 so that

01:16:50.920 people

01:16:51.300 including

01:16:51.960 me

01:16:52.240 can

01:16:52.440 understand

01:16:53.000 them

01:16:53.200 in a

01:16:53.400 more

01:16:53.560 articulate

01:16:54.100 and

01:16:54.640 complete

01:16:55.040 manner

01:16:55.480 because

01:16:56.000 you know

01:16:56.660 you need

01:16:57.220 to know

01:16:57.700 it seems

01:16:58.340 to me

01:16:58.640 that we're

01:16:58.960 at a

01:16:59.140 point

01:16:59.400 in our

01:16:59.700 development

01:17:00.180 let's

01:17:00.580 say

01:17:00.780 psychologically

01:17:02.320 and

01:17:02.720 technologically

01:17:03.340 and culturally

01:17:04.000 all of

01:17:04.320 that

01:17:04.460 that we

01:17:04.720 have to

01:17:05.020 be more

01:17:05.360 awake

01:17:05.780 than we

01:17:06.240 were

01:17:06.560 and we

01:17:07.360 were

01:17:07.520 guided

01:17:07.860 in some

01:17:08.600 sense

01:17:08.900 unconsciously

01:17:09.680 and implicitly

01:17:10.360 by these

01:17:10.700 stories

01:17:11.780 for a

01:17:12.380 tremendously

01:17:12.840 long

01:17:13.180 period

01:17:13.420 of

01:17:13.540 time

01:17:13.720 and we

01:17:14.160 woke up

01:17:14.500 enough

01:17:14.720 to

01:17:14.920 criticize

01:17:15.380 the

01:17:15.860 stories

01:17:16.380 and then

01:17:17.040 we

01:17:17.160 lose

01:17:17.540 them

01:17:17.780 it's

01:17:17.960 like

01:17:18.120 we

01:17:18.240 lose

01:17:18.520 the

01:17:18.720 story

01:17:19.160 and it's

01:17:20.440 at the

01:17:20.680 bottom

01:17:20.940 of

01:17:21.140 everything

01:17:21.500 is we

01:17:21.780 can't

01:17:22.120 lose

01:17:22.360 the

01:17:22.560 story

01:17:22.940 you

01:17:23.300 can't

01:17:23.580 lose

01:17:23.860 the

01:17:24.120 thread

01:17:24.640 you

01:17:25.140 can't

01:17:25.360 lose

01:17:25.640 the

01:17:25.820 orientation

01:17:26.440 and

01:17:26.720 you

01:17:27.580 have

01:17:27.800 to

01:17:27.920 understand

01:17:28.500 now

01:17:29.280 instead

01:17:29.660 of

01:17:29.860 just

01:17:30.120 following

01:17:30.660 or

01:17:30.860 instead

01:17:31.080 of

01:17:31.220 just

01:17:31.400 believing

01:17:31.880 you

01:17:32.840 have

01:17:33.100 to

01:17:33.260 develop

01:17:33.780 some

01:17:34.020 articulated

01:17:34.520 representation

01:17:35.120 it's

01:17:35.560 very

01:17:35.780 difficult

01:17:36.280 you

01:17:36.580 know

01:17:36.740 this

01:17:38.100 idea

01:17:38.940 of

01:17:39.120 order

01:17:39.340 and

01:17:39.520 chaos

01:17:39.860 and

01:17:40.100 the

01:17:40.260 symbolic

01:17:40.640 representation

01:17:41.400 of

01:17:41.640 femininity

01:17:42.140 and

01:17:42.340 masculinity

01:17:42.760 the

01:17:43.120 overlay

01:17:43.480 of

01:17:43.640 those

01:17:43.800 two

01:17:43.960 it's

01:17:44.360 tremendously

01:17:45.200 complicated

01:17:46.020 assuming

01:17:46.700 there's

01:17:46.960 any

01:17:47.120 degree

01:17:47.420 of

01:17:47.560 accuracy

01:17:47.960 in it

01:17:48.300 it's

01:17:48.780 tremendously

01:17:49.360 complicated

01:17:50.320 conceptually

01:17:51.140 but we

01:17:52.100 no longer

01:17:52.740 seem to be

01:17:53.400 able to

01:17:53.760 blindly

01:17:54.360 follow

01:17:55.040 the deep

01:17:55.980 stories

01:17:56.420 that have

01:17:56.760 guided us

01:17:57.320 for so

01:17:57.700 long

01:17:57.900 we no

01:17:58.160 longer

01:17:58.460 believe

01:17:58.980 in

01:17:59.180 them

01:17:59.320 it's

01:17:59.540 like

01:17:59.680 well

01:17:59.820 we

01:17:59.960 can't

01:18:00.200 believe

01:18:00.440 in

01:18:00.580 them

01:18:00.700 anymore

01:18:01.040 we

01:18:01.660 have

01:18:01.840 to

01:18:01.980 understand

01:18:02.560 them

01:18:02.920 and

01:18:04.600 so

01:18:04.880 my

01:18:05.940 claim

01:18:07.340 I

01:18:07.920 suppose

01:18:08.260 is

01:18:08.460 that

01:18:08.620 what

01:18:08.780 I

01:18:08.940 was

01:18:09.100 trying

01:18:09.340 to

01:18:09.500 do

01:18:09.720 in

01:18:09.940 12

01:18:10.480 rules

01:18:10.760 for

01:18:10.920 life

01:18:11.160 wasn't

01:18:11.580 to

01:18:11.840 classify

01:18:12.800 men

01:18:13.620 and

01:18:13.800 women 1.00

01:18:14.020 into 0.73

01:18:14.340 chaos

01:18:14.740 and

01:18:14.920 order

01:18:15.180 but

01:18:15.360 to

01:18:15.520 say

01:18:15.720 look

01:18:15.980 there's

01:18:16.480 a

01:18:16.600 pattern

01:18:17.000 here

01:18:17.260 that

01:18:17.400 we

01:18:17.520 need

01:18:17.720 to

01:18:17.860 understand

01:18:18.420 if

01:18:19.040 we're

01:18:19.180 going

01:18:19.360 to

01:18:19.540 orient

01:18:19.900 ourselves

01:18:20.320 properly

01:18:20.840 in

01:18:21.000 the

01:18:21.100 world

01:18:21.400 and

01:18:22.520 so

01:18:22.680 then

01:18:22.860 you

01:18:22.960 might

01:18:23.100 say

01:18:23.260 well

01:18:23.400 why

01:18:23.620 bother

01:18:23.960 orienting

01:18:24.480 yourself

01:18:24.840 properly

01:18:25.280 in

01:18:25.440 the

01:18:25.540 world

01:18:25.760 it's

01:18:25.980 like

01:18:26.180 well

01:18:26.460 because

01:18:27.700 the

01:18:27.900 the

01:18:29.060 alternative

01:18:29.460 is

01:18:29.800 grim 0.66

01:18:30.260 you

01:18:31.580 know

01:18:31.760 it's

01:18:32.040 like

01:18:32.540 well

01:18:33.020 chaos

01:18:33.800 is

01:18:34.080 terrible

01:18:34.540 if

01:18:35.280 you're

01:18:35.460 overwhelmed

01:18:35.860 by

01:18:36.140 it

01:18:36.260 it's

01:18:36.520 not

01:18:36.940 only

01:18:37.160 will

01:18:37.340 it

01:18:37.460 do

01:18:37.740 you

01:18:37.960 in

01:18:38.260 like

01:18:38.600 physiologically

01:18:39.520 because

01:18:39.840 you

01:18:39.980 can't

01:18:40.220 tolerate

01:18:40.540 the

01:18:40.740 stress

01:18:41.060 when

01:18:41.260 everything's

01:18:41.960 falling

01:18:42.260 apart

01:18:42.600 and

01:18:43.000 there's

01:18:43.160 no

01:18:43.320 direction

01:18:43.840 and

01:18:44.420 maybe

01:18:44.620 it's

01:18:44.800 your

01:18:44.920 own 1.00

01:18:45.100 damn 0.99

01:18:45.400 fault 0.99

01:18:45.860 because

01:18:46.260 you're

01:18:46.460 blind 0.95

01:18:46.820 and 0.64

01:18:47.020 malevolent 0.96

01:18:47.640 you

01:18:48.280 know

01:18:48.320 or

01:18:48.440 maybe

01:18:48.600 you've

01:18:48.780 been

01:18:48.900 done

01:18:49.200 in

01:18:49.420 by

01:18:49.680 someone

01:18:50.100 who's

01:18:50.480 betrayed

01:18:51.160 you

01:18:51.680 it's

01:18:52.520 terrible

01:18:52.980 you

01:18:53.460 want

01:18:53.580 to

01:18:53.700 suffer

01:18:54.060 like

01:18:54.380 that

01:18:54.780 endlessly

01:18:55.580 that's

01:18:56.040 not

01:18:56.200 a

01:18:56.320 good

01:18:56.480 solution

01:18:56.960 and

01:18:57.440 it's

01:18:57.880 not

01:18:58.120 just

01:18:58.400 not

01:18:58.700 good

01:18:58.920 for

01:18:59.140 you

01:18:59.420 it's

01:18:59.640 like

01:18:59.820 if

01:19:00.440 you're

01:19:00.640 in

01:19:00.760 the

01:19:00.860 underworld

01:19:01.140 for

01:19:01.400 too

01:19:01.580 long

01:19:02.000 you

01:19:02.520 get

01:19:02.760 vicious 0.98

01:19:03.460 you

01:19:04.500 know

01:19:04.600 you

01:19:04.740 start

01:19:04.980 generating

01:19:05.700 fantasies

01:19:08.200 of

01:19:08.380 destruction

01:19:08.980 and

01:19:09.240 revenge

01:19:09.700 and

01:19:09.900 you'll

01:19:10.100 do

01:19:10.220 anything

01:19:10.560 you

01:19:10.800 can

01:19:11.080 to

01:19:11.280 pursue

01:19:11.620 them

01:19:11.920 and

01:19:13.020 so

01:19:13.220 it's

01:19:13.540 not

01:19:13.720 good

01:19:13.960 socially

01:19:14.480 you

01:19:15.400 have

01:19:15.720 to

01:19:15.880 pull

01:19:16.060 people

01:19:16.400 out

01:19:16.600 of

01:19:16.720 the

01:19:16.920 underworld

01:19:17.380 in

01:19:17.940 order

01:19:18.100 for

01:19:18.300 things

01:19:18.500 to

01:19:18.680 survive

01:19:19.020 properly

01:19:19.540 and

01:19:20.300 you

01:19:21.180 know

01:19:21.320 we're

01:19:21.620 in

01:19:21.980 a

01:19:22.160 situation

01:19:22.920 I

01:19:23.160 think

01:19:23.360 where

01:19:23.560 the

01:19:23.960 collapse

01:19:24.320 of

01:19:24.480 our

01:19:24.640 belief

01:19:24.900 systems

01:19:25.340 have

01:19:25.580 made

01:19:26.140 us

01:19:26.320 more

01:19:26.540 chaotic

01:19:26.960 and more

01:19:27.320 nihilistic

01:19:27.880 and more

01:19:28.260 hopeless

01:19:28.660 in many

01:19:29.520 ways

01:19:29.940 and it's

01:19:30.620 not

01:19:30.940 good

01:19:31.360 it's

01:19:32.600 better

01:19:32.860 to

01:19:33.060 understand

01:19:33.720 the

01:19:33.960 stories

01:19:34.420 and

01:19:35.940 so

01:19:36.100 if

01:19:36.380 to

01:19:36.880 understand

01:19:37.340 the

01:19:37.520 stories

01:19:37.800 you

01:19:37.960 have

01:19:38.120 to

01:19:38.260 contend

01:19:38.740 with

01:19:38.960 a

01:19:39.100 way

01:19:39.240 of

01:19:39.380 thinking

01:19:39.660 that

01:19:39.900 grates

01:19:41.120 against

01:19:41.480 your

01:19:41.700 ideological

01:19:42.180 sensibilities

01:19:43.000 well

01:19:43.380 so

01:19:44.460 be

01:19:44.720 it

01:19:44.880 that's

01:19:45.160 life

01:19:45.540 it's

01:19:46.120 not

01:19:46.500 like

01:19:46.700 it's

01:19:50.960 something

01:19:51.580 straightforward

01:19:52.420 to

01:19:52.740 sort

01:19:53.000 out

01:19:53.320 you

01:19:53.860 know

01:19:53.960 the

01:19:54.220 reason

01:19:54.460 we

01:19:54.640 told

01:19:55.040 stories

01:19:55.620 instead

01:19:55.960 of

01:19:56.180 laying

01:19:56.520 this

01:19:56.760 out

01:19:56.960 in

01:19:57.080 an

01:19:57.200 articulated

01:19:57.640 manner

01:19:58.080 for

01:19:58.280 tens

01:19:58.540 of

01:19:58.680 thousands

01:19:58.940 of

01:19:59.120 years

01:19:59.300 is

01:19:59.460 because

01:19:59.640 it's

01:19:59.860 so 0.98

01:20:00.000 damn 0.98

01:20:00.500 complicated 0.99

01:20:01.300 that

01:20:01.960 the

01:20:02.160 best

01:20:02.640 we

01:20:02.900 could

01:20:03.120 do

01:20:03.400 was

01:20:03.640 tell

01:20:03.920 stories

01:20:04.400 about

01:20:04.680 it

01:20:04.860 that

01:20:05.600 was

01:20:05.780 it

01:20:06.100 that's

01:20:06.800 where

01:20:06.940 our

01:20:07.120 knowledge

01:20:07.400 ended

01:20:07.860 you

01:20:08.260 know

01:20:08.360 and

01:20:08.460 we've

01:20:08.640 developed

01:20:08.920 enough

01:20:09.300 psychological

01:20:09.960 knowledge

01:20:10.480 maybe

01:20:11.300 in

01:20:12.040 the

01:20:12.160 last

01:20:12.480 500

01:20:14.160 years

01:20:14.760 to

01:20:15.240 start

01:20:15.520 to

01:20:15.740 articulate

01:20:16.360 the

01:20:16.740 underlying

01:20:17.260 narrative

01:20:17.680 structure

01:20:18.240 and

01:20:19.720 I

01:20:19.840 think

01:20:20.040 we

01:20:20.180 need

01:20:20.360 to

01:20:20.480 be

01:20:20.600 able

01:20:20.720 to

01:20:20.880 do

01:20:21.040 that

01:20:21.360 I

01:20:21.900 think

01:20:22.080 part

01:20:22.320 of

01:20:22.400 the

01:20:22.520 reason

01:20:22.780 that

01:20:23.040 my

01:20:23.700 book

01:20:23.960 has

01:20:24.120 been

01:20:24.300 popular

01:20:24.920 and

01:20:25.560 the

01:20:25.720 lectures

01:20:26.060 that

01:20:26.280 I've

01:20:26.460 been

01:20:26.680 doing

01:20:27.140 like

01:20:27.380 this

01:20:27.600 one

01:20:27.760 have

01:20:27.920 been

01:20:28.240 insanely

01:20:29.820 popular

01:20:30.380 enough

01:20:30.700 to bring

01:20:31.080 all you

01:20:31.440 people

01:20:31.740 out

01:20:31.960 on a

01:20:32.220 Saturday

01:20:32.560 night

01:20:32.920 like

01:20:33.260 what

01:20:33.740 the 0.99

01:20:34.000 hell 0.70

01:20:34.320 is

01:20:34.520 going

01:20:34.820 on

01:20:35.240 you

01:20:35.740 know

01:20:35.880 to

01:20:36.060 listen

01:20:36.580 to

01:20:36.820 this

01:20:37.200 it's

01:20:37.400 like

01:20:37.580 it's

01:20:38.200 it's

01:20:40.580 not a

01:20:40.940 walk

01:20:41.200 through

01:20:41.360 the

01:20:41.560 park

01:20:41.860 precisely

01:20:42.480 but

01:20:43.140 I

01:20:43.380 do

01:20:43.600 think

01:20:43.920 it's

01:20:44.120 the

01:20:44.340 manifestation

01:20:45.020 of

01:20:45.580 a

01:20:45.740 realization

01:20:46.340 a

01:20:46.560 collective

01:20:46.920 realization

01:20:47.540 at least

01:20:48.000 in

01:20:48.200 part

01:20:48.480 that

01:20:49.140 it's

01:20:50.280 time

01:20:50.580 to

01:20:50.860 it's

01:20:52.020 time

01:20:52.240 to be

01:20:52.520 more

01:20:52.900 awake

01:20:53.400 than

01:20:53.660 we

01:20:53.860 have

01:20:54.140 been

01:20:54.480 and

01:20:55.080 to

01:20:55.220 understand

01:20:55.660 what's

01:20:55.940 at

01:20:56.060 the

01:20:56.180 bottom

01:20:56.400 of

01:20:56.600 things

01:20:56.960 and

01:20:57.540 so

01:20:57.680 that's

01:20:58.040 why

01:20:58.400 well

01:21:01.940 that's

01:21:02.200 why

01:21:02.340 I

01:21:02.460 laid

01:21:02.620 out

01:21:02.780 the

01:21:02.960 symbolic

01:21:03.280 structure

01:21:03.680 that I

01:21:04.020 laid

01:21:04.220 out

01:21:04.420 in

01:21:04.580 my

01:21:04.720 first

01:21:05.000 book

01:21:05.240 in

01:21:05.380 Maps

01:21:05.580 of

01:21:05.720 Meaning

01:21:05.900 and

01:21:06.080 then

01:21:06.220 in

01:21:06.360 Twelve

01:21:06.600 rules

01:21:06.840 for

01:21:07.020 life

01:21:07.260 and

01:21:11.860 it's

01:21:11.980 not

01:21:12.120 an

01:21:12.280 attempt

01:21:12.660 to

01:21:12.940 convince

01:21:13.460 people

01:21:13.980 it's

01:21:14.660 like

01:21:14.800 I

01:21:15.080 don't

01:21:15.400 know

01:21:15.840 for

01:21:16.120 Christ's

01:21:16.660 sake

01:21:16.900 it's

01:21:17.120 like

01:21:17.340 life's

01:21:18.320 a

01:21:18.480 mystery

01:21:18.840 it's

01:21:19.140 difficult

01:21:19.520 to

01:21:19.780 contend

01:21:20.200 with

01:21:20.420 you

01:21:20.560 you

01:21:20.940 delve

01:21:21.400 into

01:21:21.620 the

01:21:21.780 bottom

01:21:22.040 of

01:21:22.200 things

01:21:22.400 if

01:21:22.540 you

01:21:22.640 want

01:21:22.800 to

01:21:22.900 understand

01:21:23.320 them

01:21:23.500 I've

01:21:23.660 always

01:21:23.840 wanted

01:21:24.080 to

01:21:24.280 understand

01:21:24.760 what

01:21:25.300 drove

01:21:25.680 people

01:21:26.080 towards

01:21:26.520 malevolence

01:21:27.260 you know

01:21:27.900 and

01:21:28.040 the study

01:21:30.200 has

01:21:30.520 laid out

01:21:32.220 this

01:21:32.460 symbolic

01:21:32.860 landscape

01:21:33.400 for me

01:21:34.000 and it's

01:21:34.200 been so

01:21:34.560 helpful

01:21:35.040 to

01:21:35.580 understand

01:21:36.240 it

01:21:36.720 and so

01:21:37.280 I've

01:21:37.400 been

01:21:37.500 trying

01:21:37.680 to

01:21:37.820 communicate

01:21:38.220 it

01:21:38.540 and

01:21:38.720 part

01:21:39.860 of

01:21:39.920 that

01:21:40.060 communication

01:21:40.520 is

01:21:41.020 the

01:21:41.320 representation

01:21:42.180 of

01:21:42.620 these

01:21:42.800 symbolic

01:21:43.160 patterns

01:21:43.620 and

01:21:43.800 they

01:21:43.940 happen

01:21:44.180 to

01:21:44.340 manifest

01:21:44.740 themselves

01:21:45.260 in

01:21:45.580 gendered

01:21:46.960 form

01:21:47.380 and

01:21:48.300 that's

01:21:48.500 just

01:21:48.660 how

01:21:48.860 it

01:21:49.000 is

01:21:49.320 and

01:21:50.100 we

01:21:50.420 can

01:21:50.580 deny

01:21:50.960 it

01:21:51.220 and

01:21:51.440 maybe

01:21:51.800 it's

01:21:52.040 wrong

01:21:52.420 but

01:21:52.620 I

01:21:52.800 can't

01:21:53.140 see

01:21:53.300 how

01:21:53.520 it's

01:21:53.720 wrong

01:21:53.940 we

01:21:54.340 can

01:21:54.500 deny

01:21:54.820 it

01:21:54.980 but

01:21:55.100 it's

01:21:55.200 not

01:21:55.340 going

01:21:55.420 to

01:21:55.540 help

01:21:55.860 it's

01:21:57.700 not

01:21:57.880 deniable

01:21:58.380 and

01:21:59.240 I do

01:21:59.460 believe

01:21:59.740 it's

01:21:59.940 the

01:22:00.060 way

01:22:00.180 we

01:22:00.360 think

01:22:00.640 and

01:22:01.360 so

01:22:01.480 I

01:22:01.640 hope

01:22:01.820 that

01:22:01.980 you

01:22:02.080 find

01:22:02.300 that

01:22:02.460 helpful

01:22:03.000 you

01:22:03.880 know

01:22:03.980 I

01:22:04.140 think

01:22:04.280 it's

01:22:04.420 useful

01:22:04.820 to

01:22:05.020 know

01:22:05.180 that

01:22:05.340 you

01:22:05.480 can

01:22:05.620 be

01:22:05.780 in

01:22:05.940 chaos

01:22:06.380 and

01:22:07.380 it's

01:22:07.620 useful

01:22:07.940 to

01:22:08.160 know

01:22:08.320 that

01:22:08.480 what

01:22:08.640 you

01:22:08.760 do

01:22:08.900 there

01:22:09.100 is

01:22:09.200 you

01:22:09.320 open

01:22:09.720 your

01:22:10.020 eyes

01:22:10.480 and

01:22:10.980 that

01:22:11.100 it's

01:22:11.240 also

01:22:11.440 a

01:22:11.640 place

01:22:11.900 of

01:22:12.080 renewal

01:22:12.460 not

01:22:12.860 necessarily

01:22:13.460 because

01:22:13.720 it

01:22:13.840 can

01:22:13.940 be

01:22:14.080 a

01:22:14.220 place

01:22:14.460 of

01:22:14.640 death

01:22:15.020 but

01:22:15.620 it

01:22:15.700 can

01:22:15.800 be

01:22:15.920 a

01:22:16.060 place

01:22:16.300 of

01:22:16.460 renewal

01:22:16.820 and

01:22:17.720 you

01:22:17.860 are

01:22:18.020 the

01:22:18.200 sort

01:22:18.400 of

01:22:18.520 creature

01:22:18.760 that

01:22:18.960 can

01:22:19.160 be

01:22:19.440 renewed

01:22:31.480 my

01:22:31.720 best

01:22:32.140 crack

01:22:32.880 at

01:22:33.740 the

01:22:33.880 moment

01:22:34.100 at

01:22:34.340 explaining

01:22:34.800 why

01:22:35.200 chaos

01:22:36.320 is

01:22:36.580 feminine

01:22:36.920 and

01:22:37.180 masculine

01:22:37.640 and

01:22:38.740 order

01:22:38.980 is

01:22:39.220 masculine

01:22:39.680 thank

01:22:41.480 you

01:22:41.620 very

01:22:41.840 much

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01:26:01.660 so i have this electronic questioning system set up and you may have been informed about this

01:26:14.480 we did our best to inform everybody but if you have a cell phone and you go to the website sli.do

01:26:22.660 and you enter the code swiss

01:26:25.840 then you can ask questions and you can see the other questions so

01:26:30.840 there's a bunch of questions here already i'm going to answer some of them and then if you want to add

01:26:37.960 your question to the lot then there's some low probability that it'll get answered so

01:26:44.440 well let's try a hard one what are your thoughts on the latest gillette ad

01:26:52.640 well i hate it so that that would be the first that would be the first

01:27:08.960 i don't know if that's a thought it's more like a feeling

01:27:12.920 i'd rather have my corporations greedy than virtuous

01:27:20.840 i think it's more trustworthy

01:27:24.360 like this is a strange thing you know it's a strange thing that i see happening on the left

01:27:31.060 it's like the left has always been skeptical of large corporations and like they have their reasons

01:27:36.480 kind of interesting because the left is skeptical of large corporations and the right is skeptical of

01:27:41.020 large governments and they never seem to notice that they're both skeptical about large

01:27:45.160 right and you should be skeptical about large you know that trope from 2008 too big to fail

01:27:52.040 it's like no so big will inevitably fail that's the right trope in any case so the left now is happy

01:28:00.800 about virtue signaling corporations it's like oh i see all of a sudden you trust them that's that's

01:28:05.840 that's all it took is to produce an ad that criticizes masculinity and all of a sudden corporations

01:28:11.160 are trustworthy it's i don't think so now that doesn't mean i think that corporations are

01:28:16.460 particularly untrustworthy compared to other forms of human organization what else it's you see

01:28:25.420 what's happening on the radical end of the left spectrum is i think it's something like this 0.63

01:28:33.000 it's very difficult to pull apart completely but ideologies are parasites in my estimation on this

01:28:42.820 underlying symbolic structure that i was talking to you about there's chaos and there's order and

01:28:48.980 order fragments into two categories you could say negative order and positive order and negative order

01:28:54.460 is tyranny and positive order is the wise king for all intents and purposes and the left the radicals on

01:29:01.380 the radical left say the patriarchy is a tyranny and what they say what they are claiming is that

01:29:08.380 society is nothing but the evil king and that's just simply not true i mean society is the evil king

01:29:15.520 because human history is a bloody nightmare and that's true of every culture so if you point to a 0.86

01:29:22.840 culture and you say you have an endless plethora of sins on your conscience then you're correct

01:29:30.360 but it's half the story it's like well you don't throw the baby out with the bath water so to speak

01:29:35.780 it's like it look if you're a reader an intelligent reader of a book you keep what's useful and discard

01:29:43.760 what isn't and if you're an intelligent critic of your own culture you don't just say well it's all gone

01:29:49.920 to hell in a handbasket and it's an oppressive tyranny you say well here's some things that we did 0.77

01:29:56.400 pretty badly and here's some things worth preserving and let's like get the things worth preserving to

01:30:02.240 grow and see what we can do about constraining the things that aren't so good that takes discrimination

01:30:08.360 right that takes wisdom to pull that apart you want to pass on what's best and leave what isn't

01:30:14.840 behind you do the same thing in your own personal development but that isn't how it works for the

01:30:20.400 ideologues because they've already decided it's their axiomatic assumption the west is an oppressive

01:30:25.980 patriarchy period and there's no questioning that if you question that then well then then look out 0.99

01:30:33.860 for you that's for sure and so then gillette comes along and says well here's men and things men do

01:30:42.360 they're associated with the oppressive patriarchy then they should stop doing them it's like it's not

01:30:48.800 helpful the apa the american psychological association just did the same thing with their guidelines for

01:30:55.720 the psychological treatment of boys and men and i was reviewing that today i'm writing an article

01:30:59.460 about it um you know they claim that the reason that boys and men have poor mental health and the

01:31:07.100 reason that boys and men who are anti-social pose a threat to society is because boys are badly

01:31:13.680 socialized by men that's essentially the claim it's like well how about no how about that's not even

01:31:23.540 vaguely true and so i was thinking about that today um it's it's not only not true it's it's

01:31:31.460 it's it's it's it's antithetical to the truth it's the opposite of the truth and how do we know that

01:31:37.620 it's like well if you study anti-social behavior which is more prevalent among men and then you look

01:31:43.680 at the risk factors for anti-social behavior among men like here's one risk factor alcohol okay if you

01:31:54.120 got rid of intoxication impulsive violent crimes would virtually disappear so that's something that's

01:32:01.120 sort of worth knowing 50 of people who are murdered are drunk and 50 of the people who do the murdering

01:32:07.200 are drunk when they do it and in many altercations it's a toss-up who's going to be the victim and

01:32:13.500 who's going to be the perpetrator that's certainly the case in fights it's also the case for rape 0.99

01:32:17.760 so if we're serious about things like aggression and its control we'd look at the direct causes but

01:32:23.300 we're rarely serious about such things alcohol is a major contributor here's another one how about

01:32:29.440 fatherlessness so like if you're a young man a boy raised in a fatherless family you're

01:32:36.980 way more likely to be anti-social way more likely okay so let's think about that for a minute so

01:32:42.960 what does that mean if the american psychological association was accurate what you would see is

01:32:49.180 that boys who have fathers were more violent but that isn't what you see what you see is that boys

01:32:55.560 without fathers are more violent so how does that equate to the proposition that it's the pathological

01:33:02.320 socialization of boys by men that produces violence it's like no that's exactly wrong

01:33:10.140 well the gillette ad it's it's playing on the same tropes is well there's something wrong with men well

01:33:16.300 yeah no kidding it's like it's not like that's news but well it's jesus it's not news you know and

01:33:23.300 we could all be better than we are but to attack masculinity as such it's

01:33:30.280 well maybe it's the maybe it's a form of chaotic challenge i mean i don't really understand it

01:33:40.700 well i do i do so i would do wonder that you know if if that's if that's part of a

01:33:45.140 here's something i'm also getting trouble for this i've been thinking about this that'll definitely get

01:33:50.900 you in trouble you know i already said that one of the functions of women is to challenge men 1.00

01:33:56.920 and i mean in the most profound way and that's part of the evolutionary process that's made us

01:34:02.580 what we are it's like women have never organized themselves politically en masse right that's never 1.00

01:34:09.280 happened before so now that's happening and i looked at this i looked at this chart the other day

01:34:15.660 and it was a chart of the degree to which university yeah i'm definitely gonna get in

01:34:22.180 trouble for this the the degree to which a university discipline was politically correct

01:34:29.160 rank ordered and then beside it a list of the probability that that university department was

01:34:35.900 female dominated and they match up very nicely the more dominated they are by women the more likely 0.99

01:34:41.960 they are to be politically correct it's like hmm that's interesting thought well i don't know why

01:34:47.960 that is and i don't understand it exactly so i've been generating hypotheses which is what you do if

01:34:53.580 you're a scientist by the way is you try to think well what might account for that you don't think it's

01:34:58.320 true when you think it you just think what might account for it thought well maybe that's how women 1.00

01:35:05.160 would express themselves politically we don't know women have never expressed themselves politically

01:35:10.720 politically so now they organize and they express themselves politically like what kind of voice is

01:35:14.980 that going to produce well maybe it's a voice that criticizes the patriarchy maybe it's an extended

01:35:20.800 part of the female challenge to the male it's like you're not everything you could be here's my

01:35:27.580 accusations can you withstand them is there enough to you to manage it well i have no idea it's like is that

01:35:35.780 what's happening i can't tell you know i mean we're seeing this degeneration in the universities

01:35:41.440 into this ideological morass as far as i can as far as i can figure it and that the axiomatic

01:35:49.800 presupposition is that our culture is a tyrannical patriarchy it's an accusation well what do you do with

01:35:55.960 an accusation like that you just roll over and die or do you or do you respond to it say look not so fast

01:36:03.980 you know there's some things worth preserving here and a little gratitude is also in order

01:36:09.640 there's plenty of bloodshed and catastrophe and past sins but look at all the good things that you

01:36:14.680 have and have some gratitude and if we're not able to make that case let's say as men or maybe even as

01:36:21.560 standard bearers of our civilization if we're not able to make that case then

01:36:25.120 maybe we're not everything we should be look i talked to this neuroscientist a while back and he told

01:36:32.940 me something very interesting he wrote this book called the master and his emissary

01:36:36.900 ian mcgilchrist very smart man and he was talking about the necessity of opponent processing in complex

01:36:44.540 in in the operation of complex and finely tuned systems he said well imagine you want to move

01:36:49.700 your right hand very slowly and accurately so you can do this but if you really want to do it accurately

01:36:55.640 you do this you put your left hand up and you push against your right hand and then you push a

01:37:01.060 little harder with your right hand than your left and you can move unbelievably finely and accurately

01:37:06.200 because there's forces in conflict that are that are regulating the action it's like i don't know

01:37:13.340 how much force there has to be in conflict to regulate our actions maybe when women rise up 1.00

01:37:18.380 politically which is what they've done what will emerge from that is like a challenge to the idea

01:37:23.740 of the patriarchy well the gillette ad goes along with that and why is it a problem well because we

01:37:31.240 risk throwing the baby out with the bath water so that's some of my thoughts on the latest gillette ad

01:37:38.380 elon musk bill gates stephen hawkins and sam harris are all warning about ai what are your thoughts about ai

01:37:51.800 we're going to build very powerful systems that reflect who we are and magnify it so and that's

01:38:01.660 going to happen very quickly and so we better set a good example that's my thoughts on ai you know it's

01:38:11.040 like one of the things i learned from carl jung i like this a lot was that he believed that you know

01:38:17.540 back around the 15th or the 16th century maybe even earlier than that sort of at the dawn of the

01:38:23.400 technological revolution we had we had two

01:38:27.820 he laid this out in his studies of alchemy which was the sort of dreamlike precursor to science and

01:38:36.280 alchemy was sort of half mythology and half dawning empiricism and out of alchemy alchemy emerged

01:38:44.680 chemistry and then and physics and then science exploded and and here we are 300 years later and

01:38:51.260 we're way more technologically powerful than we were but part of alchemy was mythology and ethics

01:38:58.240 and it's remained unchanged we haven't expanded ourselves in the same manner and one of his warnings

01:39:05.860 was that we better because the more technologically powerful we become the more ethical behavior becomes a

01:39:12.880 necessity and so we're going to build these incredibly powerful machines very very soon and

01:39:18.780 it's already happening and they are going to reflect who we are and they're going to if they're going to

01:39:23.540 reflect what we want they're going to reflect the way we want things to be as indicated by our actions

01:39:30.500 and so i've thought about such things for a very long period of time and came to the conclusion that

01:39:36.060 the most effective way of dealing with that is to try to encourage people to be better as individuals

01:39:42.420 and so that's what i would say like that's more or less the answer i have to the set of problems that

01:39:48.800 are going to confront us it's like be more honest have your eyes open more be more responsible pay

01:39:59.760 attention to the meaning in your life right act ethically or else and i i think that that's always been true

01:40:09.180 but in some sense it's the urgency for that has become amplified and that's another reason that we have

01:40:16.820 to wake up so you know when i look at the future it's so contradictory at the moment and i would say that's

01:40:25.820 because we're in a period we're strangely enough in this period of chaos you know we've lost our pathway

01:40:32.220 in the west to some degree um we're we're polarizing and then we're confused about who we are and where

01:40:39.500 we're going at the same time there are processes afoot in the world that are so positive that they're

01:40:46.720 almost unbelievable right i mean we've lifted a tremendous proportion of the world's population out

01:40:51.800 of poverty over the last 20 years it's it's it's the biggest economic miracle in human

01:40:55.800 history by a huge like by a huge margin and everyone's being connected to the electrical

01:41:01.360 power grid at an incredible rate and and and everyone has access to unbelievably powerful

01:41:07.360 virtually everyone access or soon will have access to unbelievably powerful computational technology

01:41:12.960 you know and most people in the world are now middle class and starvation is essentially a thing

01:41:18.500 of the past except when it's imposed on one population by another for political reasons you know and

01:41:23.960 and we're we're we've declared war and a number of serious illnesses and are well on our way to

01:41:28.700 eradicating them polio being the first one but it won't be the last one to go you know the the third 0.96

01:41:34.720 world has developed immensely in terms of lifespan over the last and and standard of living over the

01:41:41.640 last 20 years you know the child mortality rate in africa is now the same as it was in europe in 1952

01:41:48.520 that's a bloody miracle you know and so there's all these things that are happening that are so

01:41:53.600 incredibly positive and yet you know we're rife with confusion and and there's tremendous tension and

01:41:59.400 and and and there's this sense that that i think everybody shares to some degree that things could go to

01:42:05.140 hell in a handbasket very very rapidly and i think that we're in a situation where

01:42:12.260 what would we say we have to decide what we want and you decide that as an individual it's like do

01:42:19.440 you want the world to get better and better you want to act in a manner that will increase the

01:42:23.760 probability of that occurring that seems like the right way forward so we wake up and we and we get

01:42:31.220 our act together and we move forward into a future that's better and better that would be a good thing

01:42:35.700 but it's not going to be a straightforward thing so i think too and i you know i've tried to say this in

01:42:43.320 my lectures and you know we all bear the responsibility for this it's one of the things that that i think is

01:42:53.100 so perverse and strange about the structure of reality it's like i do believe that there's something

01:42:58.360 true about the idea that the direction of the world rests on your shoulders like uniquely which

01:43:06.160 is weird because of course look at all of you there's seven billion of us is how can the weight

01:43:10.360 of the world the future of the world rest on each of our shoulders well reality is a very strange

01:43:17.100 reality is very incomprehensible that's one thing you can say for certain and it seems to me that it

01:43:25.640 could be structured that it's your responsibility and i think it's worth taking that seriously

01:43:32.060 so if you could debate karl marx what would you tell him

01:43:37.460 how about you won't live long enough if you counted a corpse a second you wouldn't live long enough to

01:43:46.540 count all the corpses you produced how's that

01:43:50.900 i would tell him that he underestimated the scope of the problem and that this is also something that

01:44:07.320 i believe is true of the leftists who follow marx one of marx's propositions was that

01:44:14.600 capital would accrue in the hands of a smaller and smaller minority of people under a capitalist

01:44:20.120 state it's like um that's actually true in some ways you know and we all know this because we all

01:44:28.560 know that i think the world's richest 80 people have more money than the bottom two billion something

01:44:34.740 like that you know there's a real proclivity for complex systems to tilt into a winner-take-all

01:44:41.020 situation but the and that's true and so you could say well marx was right it's like no he wasn't

01:44:47.840 because he blamed that on capitalism it's like it's a way worse problem than marx thought

01:44:52.560 because it's characteristic of every system that we know of we don't know what to do about it

01:44:57.640 you know it and this is graphed in this function that i've talked about quite frequently called the

01:45:02.740 pareto distribution pareto distribution um systems tilt towards winner-take-all situations and you see

01:45:11.000 this in all sorts of domains so um hardly any musicians sell all the recordings right how many

01:45:21.660 musicians are there in the world i don't remember there's there's some untold millions of numbers of

01:45:26.680 songs on the net right the original songs what fraction of them get listened to like none a thousandth

01:45:34.460 of a percent and those songs take all the listeners it's like the same thing happens if you sell a book

01:45:40.980 it's like almost no books sell well it's like you shouldn't even write a book because the probability

01:45:48.480 that it won't sell is virtually certain now now and then a book sells a tremendous number but it's the

01:45:54.500 same thing and i have a friend who's an author and he's been an author a long time and he explained at

01:45:59.640 least partly why this happened so imagine you write a book of fiction okay you think well where do people

01:46:04.160 it's just an example where do people buy fiction books well how about the airport think well there's

01:46:09.920 thousands of airports it's like yeah and each of them has a bookstore and the bookstore has a kiosk

01:46:15.860 out front and the same five books occupy the top rung of every single kiosk i'd say it's a it's a real

01:46:22.420 estate grab in some sense and if you have the top left hand corner you're number one you sell all the 0.98

01:46:27.040 books and the people down in the corner they hardly sell any books but at least they're on the damn 0.78

01:46:31.640 kiosk and there is this proclivity for the winner to take all in every situation and we don't exactly 0.86

01:46:39.300 know what to do about it and so that's another thing that i would tell marx is like you underestimated

01:46:44.340 the problem so he blamed that on capitalism and actually capitalism is pretty good at churning because

01:46:50.920 there is a one percent that has most of the money but that one percent actually changes the the fact of

01:46:56.280 the one percent stays quite constant but the people who constitute that one percent churn quite

01:47:01.500 regularly you know so for example a fortune 500 company tends only has a lifespan of 30 years

01:47:08.900 and a family fortune generally has a lifespan of three generations and even in the in the course of your

01:47:15.420 own life each of you i think has a something like a 10 chance this isn't exactly right but it's

01:47:21.380 approximately correct each of you has at least a 10 chance of being in the top one percent at some

01:47:27.780 point in your life and so the the structure the unequal distribution is really stable but the the

01:47:33.840 composition changes and that's another thing marx really didn't take into account if you examine

01:47:38.980 paleolithic grave sites way before the dawn of capitalism you find that a small number of people

01:47:44.960 were buried with all the gold right most graves nothing small number of people tremendous riches

01:47:51.940 and and you see this you see this in the size of cities so a small number of cities have almost all the

01:47:57.920 people a small number of planetary bodies have almost all the mass the same applies to stars and so

01:48:05.880 there's this deep tendency for the winner to take all it's expressed in the new testament there's a

01:48:12.420 statement a statement of christ he says uh to those who have everything more will be given and from

01:48:18.380 those who have nothing everything will be taken which is well a rather harsh observation about the

01:48:25.200 structure of the world and and also one that doesn't seem particularly fair but i would say to

01:48:29.580 marx and to the leftists who follow him is if you really cared about the poor you take the problem

01:48:35.680 of unequal distribution a lot more seriously than you do when you blame it on capitalism and the west

01:48:41.060 it's a way deeper problem than that and so so i would tell carl marx that he was nowhere near pessimistic

01:48:49.560 enough so all right ah lewis asked what is music to our psyche yeah i really like that question music

01:49:04.880 has really been an interest of psychological interest of mine because it's you know i've been obsessed by the

01:49:10.940 idea of meaning trying to understand what it is and whether it's something real and i do believe

01:49:15.900 it's something i think it's the most real thing actually i think your instinct for meaning is the

01:49:21.440 the best guide that you have and i think that meaning is is is the ultimate reality i i do believe that

01:49:29.420 i think that we have intimations of meaning in music and that's why we love music

01:49:36.040 you know no matter how nihilistic and hopeless you are i always thought about punk rockers in that way

01:49:43.860 because you know especially when i was writing my first book because punk rock was pretty popular

01:49:48.280 then it's like this nihilistic violent sort of music about the pointlessness of things and yet

01:49:55.940 the punk rockers listened to it and they were like having a fine time listening to it it was so

01:50:01.340 paradoxical it's like at the same time the music was blasting forth the message a message of say

01:50:06.840 nihilism and destruction and i know some of that was social criticism and some of it was irony

01:50:11.320 i'm not criticizing punk rock it's just so it was just so perverse to me that

01:50:16.420 the punk rockers who were decrying the structure of reality on nihilistic grounds were fully engaged

01:50:24.960 and immersed in a meaningful experience while listening to the music and they didn't notice the

01:50:30.020 contradiction and and and and they were they were feeding on them the meaning you know i mean i

01:50:37.040 don't know if it's possible for people to live without music and i think it's because music provides

01:50:42.060 a direct intimation of meaning it it's actually the most representative form of art and the reason i

01:50:49.220 think that's the case is because i don't think the world is made out of objects i think the world

01:50:54.420 it's better to conceptualize the world as made it as made out of patterns objects are patterns

01:51:01.000 but they're a subset of patterns and you want it's something like this is that

01:51:07.600 when the patterns of your life are interacting harmoniously

01:51:12.080 then the sense of meaning prevails it's it's part of being in order but it's more than that because

01:51:19.340 order isn't enough you have to be on the edge of order in order for things to be properly balanced

01:51:25.760 harmoniously because you have to be improving the order that you inhabit at the same time that you

01:51:31.240 inhabit it that's where that that's where meaning exists it's on that boundary and that's where music

01:51:37.120 puts you you know music shows you the structure of the world in these nested patterns and then the

01:51:43.240 patterns transform and you you you bring yourself into harmony with the transformation of those

01:51:48.860 patterns and that that gives you a deep intimation of meaning and it it illustrates to you how to

01:51:55.680 dance with the world like the world has a musical structure and you're you're if you were if you

01:52:05.200 were dancing properly you would be in alignment with those patterns and music intimates that you know

01:52:14.180 and that's why well that's why so much music is sacred you know it's used in religious ceremony

01:52:19.340 because it it provides a direct and incontrovertible demonstration of the meaning of the harmony of

01:52:26.840 patterns it's something like that and so it was music has always been fascinating to me because it it

01:52:32.320 escapes from rational criticism you know it's because it's it's easy for us we're we're intellect intellectual

01:52:39.160 and we're cynical and we're critical and we can take things we can believe and we can break

01:52:43.160 them apart and have nothing left you know and it's it's the fate of many a neurotic intellectual to do

01:52:48.360 precisely that to take their own belief systems and to subject them to radical criticism and to leave

01:52:53.800 themselves with nothing but the broken pieces of osiris right it's like well none of that worked and now

01:53:00.240 where am i there's nothing but nihilism and hopelessness and then music comes along and it speaks of this

01:53:07.340 harmonious relationship between the patterns of being and you what you what do you what do you do

01:53:12.540 if you're a critical intellect you say well you can't you can't launch an intellectual attack on the

01:53:20.060 aesthetic experience that music produces it's immune to that you know it's a primary experience and

01:53:26.540 thank god for that because it gives us this link to something that's of transcendent reality that our

01:53:32.700 our critical intellect cannot break apart and so

01:53:37.900 well so that's what music is to our psyche as far as i'm concerned and there's more to it than that i

01:53:45.420 mean that's that doesn't exhaust what music is but it's a it's a good start

01:53:49.900 all right well that's a good place to end i guess that's a positive place to end so

01:54:01.740 i'll end thank you very much

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The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast - December 01, 2019

Struggle Between Chaos and Order

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