The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast - Who Dares Say He Believes in God

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00:00:57.420 Welcome to Season 2, Episode 15 of the Jordan B. Peterson Podcast.

00:01:04.920 I'm Mikayla Peterson, Dr. Peterson's daughter, manager, favorite child, and heir to the Peterson Empire.

00:01:11.720 Believe me, it's an empire.

00:01:13.940 Mostly filled with ideas. Crazy ideas. Interesting ideas.

00:01:17.540 Some that you'll even hear in this episode.

00:01:19.660 I'm kidding, I'm not his favorite child.

00:01:21.500 He has another one who's way less trouble than I am.

00:01:23.400 But also not as cute.

00:01:25.180 Anyway, back to reality.

00:01:26.660 Healing's slow for my mom.

00:01:28.320 We're still stressed beyond belief.

00:01:30.320 I never knew that you could be stressed into feelings that are similar to actual depression.

00:01:34.240 I had inflammatory depression, which is hell, and I've completely managed with diet.

00:01:39.060 But I didn't know that you could actually get stressed into something similar to that.

00:01:43.700 Not as bad, but, like, different.

00:01:45.680 Well, I knew you could be stressed.

00:01:47.420 What else is PTSD, right?

00:01:49.100 But I didn't really know, if you know what I mean.

00:01:51.740 So that's a fun conclusion I've come to recently.

00:01:55.100 Situational depression is very real.

00:01:56.980 Not as bad as what my food depression was, but unpleasant nonetheless.

00:02:00.620 Fortunately, working out seems to help a lot.

00:02:02.940 So here's to taking a bad situation and finally growing a booty, right?

00:02:07.680 This week's episode is the first of a series of two.

00:02:11.040 I said three last week, but we switched it to two.

00:02:13.580 About dad's belief in God, and belief in God in general.

00:02:17.100 This week's episode is titled, Who Dares Say He Believes in God?

00:02:20.680 It's taken from one of dad's 12 Rules for Life tour talks,

00:02:24.580 which was delivered in Sydney on February 26, 2019,

00:02:28.280 at the International Convention Center.

00:02:30.360 Hope you enjoy it.

00:02:31.880 When we return, dad's lecture from Sydney, titled,

00:02:35.020 Who Dares Say He Believes in God?

00:02:41.820 Please welcome my father, Dr. Jordan B. Peterson.

00:02:44.380 There for a lobstop!

00:02:52.540 Well, thank you very much.

00:02:54.240 It's a great pleasure to be here in this massive hall.

00:02:58.020 I can't believe that all of you decided

00:03:01.780 that coming to talk about the topics we're going to talk about tonight

00:03:05.960 was the top priority in your life.

00:03:08.720 But let's see if we can justify that.

00:03:14.760 You know, that might be a good aim.

00:03:18.280 See if we can make it worthwhile.

00:03:20.940 So, make your decision correct.

00:03:24.360 So, you may know, or not,

00:03:27.960 that I was on a television show last night,

00:03:32.340 Q&A.

00:03:38.120 Apparently, you know that.

00:03:40.240 Some of you, anyways.

00:03:42.060 I can't say I enjoyed it, really.

00:03:45.880 Really, it's funny, you know.

00:03:47.620 Like, and I think as I've got farther along

00:03:50.600 in doing whatever it is that I happen to be doing,

00:03:54.200 I find those events more and more stressful.

00:03:59.020 I don't know exactly what it is.

00:04:01.240 I think it's the proclivity of everything.

00:04:05.680 Everything has to be mangled, in some sense,

00:04:09.680 into a preset format, you know.

00:04:12.160 And the fundamental format, really,

00:04:15.100 is that everything has to be political, you know.

00:04:18.140 And everything isn't political.

00:04:21.800 So, that's not helpful

00:04:24.500 when you're trying to discuss things

00:04:26.240 that aren't political.

00:04:28.320 And, I mean, I'm not complaining about it.

00:04:31.500 Well, I suppose I am.

00:04:35.380 It's just, it's surprising to me

00:04:37.340 how much it takes out of me,

00:04:44.320 say, compared to doing an event like this,

00:04:46.360 which I really enjoy doing,

00:04:48.560 like I spent a lot of time preparing,

00:04:50.160 and there's a lot of you,

00:04:51.360 and I really want it to go well and all that,

00:04:53.340 but this is, this is much less dreadful.

00:05:00.880 I guess that's right.

00:05:02.620 And, you know, and then there's the strange

00:05:05.060 constraints on format, you know.

00:05:08.620 People ask very complex questions,

00:05:10.500 and then you have a minute to answer.

00:05:13.880 And, you know, there's something,

00:05:15.420 there's something downright sinful

00:05:17.940 about answering a really complicated question

00:05:20.560 in a minute,

00:05:21.580 because it sort of suggests that

00:05:23.800 complex questions have answers

00:05:26.080 that take one minute,

00:05:27.700 and they don't.

00:05:29.820 They have answers that take God.

00:05:32.200 Sometimes they take decades,

00:05:34.180 and sometimes they take thousands of years,

00:05:35.900 you know, but of course,

00:05:37.140 I can't expect a television show

00:05:38.660 to allow for thousands of years,

00:05:40.900 but the format itself works against

00:05:43.680 the kind of thought that's necessary

00:05:46.220 to actually have the discussions

00:05:47.900 that are necessary.

00:05:49.260 And so, anyways,

00:05:51.720 having said all that,

00:05:53.820 it went, it went, it went all right,

00:05:56.420 I would say.

00:05:58.100 There were no nasty surprises,

00:06:00.360 and particularly,

00:06:02.000 and it was a civil discussion.

00:06:04.540 Whether it was a productive discussion

00:06:06.420 or not is a different matter,

00:06:08.180 but it wasn't an unproductive discussion,

00:06:10.700 and so that's something.

00:06:12.300 But there was one question

00:06:14.360 that came up,

00:06:16.120 and I thought I would actually start

00:06:17.860 talking about that question tonight,

00:06:21.340 because I've never been happy,

00:06:23.140 I've been asked this question a lot,

00:06:25.260 and I've never been happy

00:06:26.640 with the answer that I've given to it,

00:06:28.660 and I've never really been able

00:06:30.000 to exactly get my,

00:06:33.480 I've never been able to figure out

00:06:35.340 exactly why I haven't been happy

00:06:37.420 with the question.

00:06:38.760 And so, I'm going to try

00:06:40.780 to answer it properly tonight,

00:06:42.780 and then I'm going to talk

00:06:44.440 more generally about 12 rules,

00:06:46.620 about the book.

00:06:47.640 Now, it's fine,

00:06:49.180 this question is directly relevant

00:06:51.640 to the book,

00:06:52.300 and so it should make for a good lead-in,

00:06:54.540 but it'll enable us to talk about

00:06:56.560 something that I think is really,

00:06:58.660 very much worth talking about,

00:07:00.440 and I hope I can formulate the problem properly,

00:07:03.820 and then formulate the proper answer,

00:07:08.040 at least more coherently

00:07:10.200 than I've managed.

00:07:11.520 It's, see, I have this,

00:07:14.080 I followed this rule for a very long time,

00:07:16.520 which I actually found

00:07:17.620 was a Socratic rule.

00:07:19.380 I didn't know this until,

00:07:21.820 really quite recently,

00:07:22.960 until I wrote 12 rules for life.

00:07:25.160 Socrates said that he had a daemon,

00:07:29.320 and by which he meant an internal voice.

00:07:31.600 And he said that he always listened to it,

00:07:36.880 and that that was what made him different

00:07:38.220 from other people,

00:07:39.220 that he always listened to this voice.

00:07:40.760 And the voice didn't tell him what to do,

00:07:43.380 it told him what not to do.

00:07:45.960 And when the Delphic Oracle

00:07:48.600 proclaimed that Socrates

00:07:50.100 was the wisest man in Greece,

00:07:52.540 Greece,

00:07:53.780 in Athens,

00:07:55.760 and in Greece,

00:07:56.860 one of the reasons Socrates

00:07:59.680 attributed her decision

00:08:01.860 to deem him the wisest man

00:08:04.520 was because,

00:08:06.200 well, she said he knew,

00:08:07.280 he knew nothing,

00:08:08.300 but he knew in part that

00:08:09.500 he knew nothing,

00:08:11.280 at least in part,

00:08:12.100 because he was always listening

00:08:13.120 to the voice of his daemon,

00:08:15.040 his internal conscience.

00:08:16.160 And then I just found out the other day

00:08:17.920 that the word democracy

00:08:19.200 comes from the same root,

00:08:22.320 which is really interesting.

00:08:24.080 Like, I had no idea

00:08:25.280 that that was the case,

00:08:26.140 because what it suggests,

00:08:27.680 it's so fascinating

00:08:29.380 looking at how words

00:08:31.240 are related to one another

00:08:32.820 historically,

00:08:33.860 because you find strange connections

00:08:35.860 between ideas

00:08:36.700 that you would never imagine,

00:08:37.920 and sometimes they're unbelievably profound.

00:08:39.960 And so,

00:08:40.880 the basic,

00:08:41.940 what happened historically

00:08:43.280 is that,

00:08:44.280 well, so,

00:08:44.640 there was a concept

00:08:46.020 of the Socratic daemon.

00:08:47.520 Now, it was the daemon

00:08:48.540 that Socrates listened to

00:08:49.940 when he decided

00:08:51.100 that he was not going to run

00:08:53.240 when the Athenians decided

00:08:55.200 that they were going

00:08:55.840 to put him to death,

00:08:57.080 the Athenian aristocrats,

00:08:58.540 right,

00:08:58.740 because they thought

00:08:59.360 that he was corrupting the youth

00:09:00.620 by, you know,

00:09:01.660 talking to them

00:09:02.440 and telling them the truth,

00:09:04.140 and I suppose

00:09:04.980 that's certainly grounds

00:09:06.300 for chasing someone

00:09:07.180 out of your town.

00:09:09.140 Anyways,

00:09:09.780 they gave him plenty of notice

00:09:10.940 because they didn't really

00:09:11.860 want to kill him,

00:09:13.080 they just wanted

00:09:13.660 to get the old goat,

00:09:15.080 the hell,

00:09:15.700 out to some other city

00:09:16.860 where he could cause trouble there.

00:09:18.880 And he,

00:09:20.200 his friends were,

00:09:21.080 you know,

00:09:21.380 making plans

00:09:21.980 to scurry him away

00:09:23.900 from Athens.

00:09:26.160 And he went out

00:09:27.000 and consulted his daemon,

00:09:28.280 and it told him

00:09:29.240 not to leave.

00:09:32.000 And that was a big shock

00:09:33.500 to Socrates

00:09:34.380 because, of course,

00:09:35.500 he didn't want to die.

00:09:37.180 And, but yet,

00:09:39.220 he had decided

00:09:39.880 that he was always

00:09:40.560 going to follow

00:09:41.640 the dictates

00:09:42.280 of the daemon.

00:09:43.100 And he,

00:09:43.900 so he did something

00:09:46.360 that only a philosopher

00:09:47.640 would do,

00:09:48.320 was reversed his assumptions.

00:09:50.060 He thought,

00:09:50.680 oh, well,

00:09:50.980 I was afraid of dying,

00:09:52.240 and my daemon said,

00:09:54.580 stick around,

00:09:55.900 and so I must be wrong.

00:09:57.880 It must be worse

00:09:58.900 to be,

00:10:00.180 to risk not following

00:10:02.160 that internal voice

00:10:03.320 than to risk

00:10:04.140 this form of death.

00:10:05.640 You know,

00:10:06.360 it's just a question

00:10:09.520 you have to really wrestle with,

00:10:10.820 and one of his friends

00:10:12.000 weren't very happy about.

00:10:13.280 But, in any case,

00:10:14.400 he didn't run,

00:10:15.560 and we have two good

00:10:16.560 court-like documents

00:10:18.520 attesting to that.

00:10:20.020 One written by someone

00:10:21.200 named Xenophon,

00:10:23.480 and the other by Plato.

00:10:25.760 They're very interesting documents.

00:10:27.140 I would highly recommend

00:10:28.120 reading them.

00:10:28.640 They're very short.

00:10:29.560 And the reason,

00:10:30.600 one of the reasons

00:10:31.120 I would recommend reading them,

00:10:32.440 apart from the fact

00:10:33.120 that they're fascinating

00:10:34.020 and short,

00:10:35.420 is that you also

00:10:37.100 get the sense

00:10:37.800 from what Socrates wrote

00:10:40.820 that because he had

00:10:43.700 lived his life fully,

00:10:46.200 you know,

00:10:47.240 no holds barred

00:10:48.460 in some sense,

00:10:49.460 that he could let it go

00:10:50.960 when the time came.

00:10:52.880 And that's an interesting thing,

00:10:54.380 you know,

00:10:54.660 because,

00:10:55.640 well,

00:10:55.820 it's a question I think

00:10:56.720 that we all wrestle with.

00:10:59.060 We should.

00:10:59.780 It's like,

00:11:00.520 well,

00:11:00.800 is there a purpose

00:11:02.060 to our life?

00:11:02.980 And,

00:11:03.260 well,

00:11:03.360 that's a hard question.

00:11:04.360 And then,

00:11:05.100 if there is a purpose,

00:11:07.040 well,

00:11:07.380 how is it expressed?

00:11:08.860 And then,

00:11:09.560 if there is a purpose

00:11:10.480 and our lives are truncated,

00:11:12.000 as they are by death,

00:11:13.800 then how can that purpose

00:11:15.160 have significance?

00:11:16.340 And those are hard questions.

00:11:17.900 But Socrates' experience

00:11:19.400 seemed to be that

00:11:20.540 he had lived enough

00:11:22.800 in his life

00:11:24.300 so that when push came to shove,

00:11:26.240 which it certainly did,

00:11:27.480 he was able to gracefully

00:11:29.080 let it go.

00:11:31.060 And that's,

00:11:33.700 and,

00:11:34.040 you know,

00:11:34.260 he attested to that

00:11:35.400 with his death.

00:11:36.880 And that's fairly convincing,

00:11:38.960 you know,

00:11:39.300 I mean,

00:11:39.620 that's a fairly convincing argument.

00:11:42.120 And it's one that I find,

00:11:43.920 well,

00:11:44.080 it's hard to tell

00:11:44.780 if I find it exactly credible,

00:11:46.680 but I don't find it incredible.

00:11:48.700 I mean,

00:11:49.000 I certainly have noticed

00:11:50.680 that as I've got older

00:11:51.960 and have done things,

00:11:54.320 various,

00:11:54.640 what would you say,

00:11:58.620 accomplished isn't exactly

00:12:00.460 the right word.

00:12:01.020 I've participated in many things

00:12:02.820 that I'm pleased

00:12:04.480 to have participated in them,

00:12:06.400 but wouldn't necessarily

00:12:07.900 go back and participate

00:12:09.240 in them again.

00:12:10.540 It's sort of as if

00:12:12.000 when you do something

00:12:13.520 and you finish it,

00:12:16.100 it's as if it's done.

00:12:17.560 You don't have to do it again.

00:12:19.000 And maybe it's possible,

00:12:20.520 who knows,

00:12:21.500 that if you finish your life,

00:12:24.640 whatever that might mean,

00:12:26.580 if you exhaust your life,

00:12:28.920 then that's enough life,

00:12:31.680 you know,

00:12:32.360 that you've had enough.

00:12:34.800 And,

00:12:35.140 I mean,

00:12:35.720 that doesn't mean

00:12:36.260 that I try not to keep myself healthy

00:12:38.600 and that I want to die tomorrow.

00:12:39.980 It doesn't mean any of that.

00:12:40.920 I'm trying to stick around

00:12:42.400 as long as I can,

00:12:44.280 but there's still that curiosity

00:12:48.240 about the relationship

00:12:50.540 between life and mortality

00:12:51.860 and the possibility

00:12:53.800 that a life well lived

00:12:55.980 exhausts itself

00:12:58.240 in some fundamental sense

00:13:00.800 so that you can be

00:13:02.300 satisfied,

00:13:04.300 let's say,

00:13:05.300 with what you were.

00:13:09.900 There is some psychological evidence

00:13:11.720 that bears on this.

00:13:13.180 If you ask people

00:13:14.480 what they regret,

00:13:16.560 especially as they get older,

00:13:19.480 what they generally report

00:13:20.840 is things not done.

00:13:23.920 So they don't regret

00:13:25.000 so much mistakes they've made,

00:13:26.540 although,

00:13:26.880 of course,

00:13:27.220 people obviously regret mistakes

00:13:28.800 they've made as well.

00:13:30.060 So they don't exactly regret

00:13:33.180 sins of commission,

00:13:35.160 right,

00:13:35.440 errors that they've actively made.

00:13:37.040 they miss,

00:13:38.860 they torment themselves

00:13:43.320 for opportunities

00:13:45.080 that had presented themselves

00:13:46.960 that they did not,

00:13:49.760 let's say,

00:13:50.300 exploit or engage in.

00:13:52.540 And I think that's worth

00:13:53.740 thinking about, too,

00:13:54.640 because one thing

00:13:56.800 that I have become convinced about

00:13:59.200 with regards to human consciousness,

00:14:02.660 which I think is equivalent

00:14:04.500 to the spark of divinity

00:14:06.220 in some sense

00:14:07.280 that our fundamental stories

00:14:09.480 insist has been placed within us,

00:14:12.160 is that human consciousness

00:14:13.980 is that faculty

00:14:15.320 that confronts potential itself.

00:14:18.320 I think there's good

00:14:19.040 neurological evidence for this,

00:14:20.640 by the way,

00:14:21.040 for those of you

00:14:21.620 who are scientifically minded,

00:14:23.100 because we build circuits

00:14:27.080 within us

00:14:28.500 for habitual action

00:14:30.340 that we've practiced many times

00:14:32.420 that seem to run

00:14:33.600 in a very deterministic fashion.

00:14:36.220 And we are a strange combination

00:14:37.680 of deterministic

00:14:38.660 and non-deterministic

00:14:39.740 as far as I can tell.

00:14:40.780 But what our consciousness

00:14:42.240 seems to be for

00:14:43.460 is to encounter those things

00:14:45.900 that we have not yet encountered.

00:14:48.560 And those things

00:14:49.500 that we have not yet encountered

00:14:50.920 seem to me

00:14:52.080 to be those things

00:14:53.400 that have not yet

00:14:54.340 been brought into being.

00:14:56.020 And so you could say

00:14:57.280 that what our consciousness

00:14:58.360 is for

00:14:59.080 is for the encounter

00:15:01.120 with potential.

00:15:02.560 You know,

00:15:02.840 that our consciousness

00:15:04.120 is for the...

00:15:05.280 It's not for the past.

00:15:06.600 It's not even for the present.

00:15:08.660 It's to transform

00:15:09.840 the future

00:15:10.640 into the present.

00:15:12.000 And really,

00:15:12.680 that that's what

00:15:13.140 our consciousness does.

00:15:14.260 When you wake up

00:15:14.900 in the morning,

00:15:15.380 you have a new day

00:15:16.160 ahead of you

00:15:16.760 and the day could take you

00:15:18.100 in very many directions.

00:15:20.200 And the weeks

00:15:21.220 and the years,

00:15:21.920 all of that,

00:15:22.420 can take you

00:15:22.860 in very many directions.

00:15:23.820 And you have some apprehension

00:15:25.080 about what those directions

00:15:26.460 might be.

00:15:27.380 You have some apprehension

00:15:28.640 about what role

00:15:30.420 your choices might make

00:15:33.460 in transforming

00:15:35.080 that potential

00:15:35.960 into one form of actuality

00:15:38.480 or another.

00:15:39.500 I mean,

00:15:39.760 you certainly know

00:15:40.480 that there are dreadful mistakes

00:15:42.400 that you might be

00:15:43.360 very tempted to make

00:15:44.820 that would produce

00:15:45.660 all manner of hell

00:15:46.720 around you

00:15:47.440 and still be tempted

00:15:48.720 to do it.

00:15:49.520 It seems like

00:15:50.280 it's sitting there

00:15:51.020 right in front of you

00:15:51.800 as a possibility.

00:15:52.860 You also know

00:15:53.920 that you could

00:15:55.020 haul yourself up

00:15:56.460 out of bed

00:15:57.060 and attend to your duties

00:15:58.260 and do the sorts of things

00:15:59.380 that you're supposed to

00:16:00.180 and set a few things

00:16:01.580 right that day

00:16:02.620 and that week

00:16:03.640 and that likely

00:16:04.960 things would at least

00:16:06.480 not be worse

00:16:07.740 and they would probably

00:16:09.120 be better.

00:16:10.220 And I believe that,

00:16:12.480 I do believe that,

00:16:13.720 I don't understand

00:16:14.860 how this can be the case.

00:16:16.540 I don't understand

00:16:17.340 how it is

00:16:18.580 that consciousness

00:16:19.320 can function in that way

00:16:21.400 because I think

00:16:22.360 to understand that

00:16:23.280 we would have to understand

00:16:25.080 what it means

00:16:26.540 for the future

00:16:27.380 to be only potential

00:16:29.420 rather than actuality

00:16:31.080 and who the hell

00:16:32.440 understands that.

00:16:33.860 I mean,

00:16:34.180 no one.

00:16:35.040 And then we'd have to understand

00:16:36.420 how it is

00:16:37.120 that our conscious choices

00:16:38.680 and our conscious ethical choices

00:16:40.440 transform that potentiality

00:16:43.240 into actuality,

00:16:45.620 into reality,

00:16:46.520 into the present

00:16:47.240 and the past.

00:16:48.260 And we certainly,

00:16:50.240 well, we certainly act

00:16:51.180 as if we believe

00:16:52.200 that that's what we do.

00:16:53.800 We upbraid ourselves.

00:16:55.240 For example,

00:16:56.080 when we do a bad job of it,

00:16:57.860 we're upset with our children

00:16:59.260 and those we love

00:17:00.260 if we don't believe

00:17:01.260 that they're living up

00:17:02.100 to their potential.

00:17:03.300 We're guilty and ashamed

00:17:04.660 when we make choices

00:17:05.740 that we feel are inappropriate.

00:17:07.800 We understand to some degree

00:17:09.580 that the manner in which

00:17:11.240 time lays itself out

00:17:13.180 has something to do

00:17:14.600 with the ethics of our choice.

00:17:17.140 And again,

00:17:17.860 I would say

00:17:18.300 that's a very deep idea.

00:17:20.120 I think it's a,

00:17:21.280 I think it's,

00:17:22.440 I think it's the most true idea

00:17:24.380 I know.

00:17:25.640 It's very emphasized,

00:17:28.080 that idea emphasized

00:17:29.100 in ancient religious stories

00:17:31.680 such as those

00:17:32.400 that are outlined in Genesis

00:17:33.720 or in Genesis

00:17:34.620 with its strange insistence

00:17:36.380 that, you know,

00:17:37.480 God is that which

00:17:38.860 brings order out of chaos,

00:17:42.340 formless potential,

00:17:43.980 generates the world

00:17:45.180 out of formless potential,

00:17:46.600 and that we're somehow

00:17:47.480 made in that image,

00:17:49.080 which seems to me

00:17:50.440 to be the case.

00:17:51.940 And that the proper way,

00:17:53.060 by the way,

00:17:53.480 to go about

00:17:54.120 acting in that image

00:17:56.700 is to act

00:17:58.680 in relationship

00:17:59.960 to the potential

00:18:01.100 that confronts you

00:18:02.620 with truth

00:18:03.900 and with courage,

00:18:05.440 with careful articulation.

00:18:07.440 That's the logos.

00:18:09.260 And that if you do that,

00:18:10.420 then what you bring forth

00:18:11.520 is good.

00:18:13.620 So, anyways,

00:18:14.960 those are all background ideas

00:18:16.560 that are associated

00:18:18.060 with 12 rules for life

00:18:19.300 and they have a bearing

00:18:20.020 on this question

00:18:20.940 that I want to answer tonight.

00:18:23.600 And so I'm going to sit,

00:18:24.600 I have some notes

00:18:25.740 which I don't usually use,

00:18:27.980 but I'm going to use them tonight

00:18:29.320 because I haven't got everything

00:18:31.520 about this particular notion

00:18:34.280 memorized in some sense yet

00:18:36.360 because I'm still working it out.

00:18:38.860 But that should work out okay.

00:18:41.040 So, we'll see.

00:18:42.820 We'll see what happens.

00:18:47.800 So, yeah.

00:18:48.840 Yeah, well, good.

00:18:49.820 So, windows work.

00:18:50.780 That's always good.

00:18:52.160 I've seen it not work sometimes

00:18:53.980 when Bill Gates demonstrates it

00:18:55.760 and that's got to be

00:18:58.160 very embarrassing.

00:19:00.380 Although, I would say,

00:19:01.300 you know,

00:19:01.520 all things considered,

00:19:02.480 he seems to have done quite well.

00:19:06.360 All right.

00:19:07.040 So, here's...

00:19:09.320 Here's the question

00:19:13.520 that came up last night.

00:19:14.760 And this is a strange question

00:19:16.640 for what's essentially

00:19:18.000 a political show.

00:19:19.640 Near the end,

00:19:21.360 a gentleman on videotape

00:19:23.660 came up and he discussed

00:19:26.140 the topic of human dignity.

00:19:30.020 It's not a topic

00:19:31.100 you hear a lot about.

00:19:32.240 There's a lot of topics

00:19:33.560 that are sort of related

00:19:34.820 to human beings

00:19:35.800 that you don't hear

00:19:36.480 a lot about anymore.

00:19:37.800 You don't hear a lot

00:19:38.920 about nobility.

00:19:40.680 You don't hear a lot

00:19:42.480 about endurance,

00:19:44.860 let's say,

00:19:46.100 stalwartness,

00:19:47.260 courage,

00:19:48.560 dignity.

00:19:49.420 Those aren't values

00:19:50.980 that we discuss much.

00:19:56.600 Responsibility being another one,

00:19:57.980 which is one I'm quite thrilled

00:19:59.740 about,

00:20:00.160 all things considered,

00:20:01.800 because I think

00:20:02.900 it's the pathway

00:20:03.620 to meaning itself.

00:20:05.540 But...

00:20:05.940 So, his was the topic

00:20:07.160 of human dignity

00:20:08.020 and he asked us a question.

00:20:11.080 Do you believe in God?

00:20:13.620 And then he said,

00:20:14.380 as a Catholic,

00:20:15.040 I don't see any other way

00:20:16.200 that we can have

00:20:17.160 a universe with dignity.

00:20:18.380 And so,

00:20:18.980 I'm not so concerned

00:20:20.200 about the second part

00:20:21.260 of his commentary,

00:20:22.640 although I might get to that.

00:20:23.760 But the first part,

00:20:25.340 do you believe in God,

00:20:26.740 is a question

00:20:27.400 that's been leveled at me

00:20:29.280 many times.

00:20:32.360 And I'm going to...

00:20:34.460 There's some other people

00:20:35.200 on the panel,

00:20:36.240 and I'm going to just review

00:20:37.460 what they said briefly,

00:20:39.560 and then I'm going to talk

00:20:41.240 about what I said,

00:20:42.760 and then I'm going to fix

00:20:43.920 what I said,

00:20:45.060 I hope,

00:20:45.980 so that it's better.

00:20:47.240 At least that's the plan.

00:20:50.560 So, Terry Butler,

00:20:52.620 who is a Labour frontbencher,

00:20:55.360 said,

00:20:55.660 I'm agnostic.

00:20:56.860 People are inherently valuable

00:20:58.640 because they are people.

00:21:01.940 And, no,

00:21:04.980 that doesn't work out.

00:21:06.740 It's one of those

00:21:08.180 one-minute answers,

00:21:09.400 except it's actually

00:21:10.220 only ten seconds.

00:21:11.660 Because you can make

00:21:13.620 the opposite argument,

00:21:14.720 and people do all the time,

00:21:16.060 you know, like the Club of Rome,

00:21:17.480 for example,

00:21:18.680 which was an organization

00:21:20.500 in Rome,

00:21:21.960 logically enough,

00:21:23.840 formed in the 60s,

00:21:26.380 was very much concerned

00:21:27.440 about the terribly

00:21:28.720 detrimental effect

00:21:29.920 that human beings

00:21:30.900 were having

00:21:31.400 on the planet.

00:21:32.460 and I believe

00:21:33.300 it was one of the Club

00:21:34.620 of Rome members

00:21:35.420 who coined the idea,

00:21:37.200 and if it wasn't,

00:21:38.120 it was someone

00:21:38.620 who was thinking

00:21:39.280 exactly the same way,

00:21:40.660 so it works out either way,

00:21:42.540 that human beings

00:21:43.360 were something

00:21:44.060 approximating a cancer

00:21:45.560 on the planet,

00:21:46.840 you know,

00:21:47.120 because of all the terrible

00:21:48.020 things we were doing

00:21:48.940 ecologically and so forth.

00:21:50.400 That was back

00:21:50.980 when people believed

00:21:51.780 we were going

00:21:52.300 to overpopulate

00:21:54.000 the planet

00:21:55.840 to such a degree

00:21:56.740 by the year 2000

00:21:57.780 that there would be

00:21:58.980 widespread privation

00:22:01.000 and starvation,

00:22:02.620 which, by the way,

00:22:04.420 if you haven't noticed,

00:22:06.360 there isn't.

00:22:07.260 And, you know,

00:22:10.460 if you look at

00:22:11.280 the terrible things

00:22:12.080 that people do,

00:22:12.780 apart from the despoiling

00:22:14.500 of the natural environment,

00:22:16.000 let's say,

00:22:16.860 there's all the,

00:22:17.760 you know,

00:22:18.740 malevolence

00:22:19.520 that's associated

00:22:20.400 with human interactions

00:22:21.680 and also human social systems,

00:22:24.360 and it isn't so obvious

00:22:26.840 as a consequence of that

00:22:28.100 that you can make

00:22:28.760 a straightforward case

00:22:29.900 that human beings

00:22:31.060 are inherently valuable

00:22:32.260 merely because

00:22:33.040 they're human beings,

00:22:33.960 because you can make

00:22:35.080 an equally logical case

00:22:37.240 from first principles

00:22:38.500 that they're inherently,

00:22:40.200 well, destructive

00:22:41.280 or that they should be

00:22:43.320 perhaps limited

00:22:45.660 in their ability

00:22:46.580 to procreate

00:22:47.700 or that they are

00:22:49.040 a catastrophe

00:22:50.100 for the planet

00:22:50.960 as a whole

00:22:51.720 or that our entire history

00:22:53.660 is nothing but

00:22:54.900 a sequence of,

00:22:56.680 what would you call,

00:22:58.020 unrequited malevolence

00:22:59.520 and that people generally

00:23:00.720 can't be trusted.

00:23:01.640 And so I don't find

00:23:03.420 that answer

00:23:03.940 particularly satisfying.

00:23:05.900 I think it's a,

00:23:06.640 it's just self-referential.

00:23:12.220 People are inherently valuable

00:23:13.580 because they are people.

00:23:14.840 It's like, well,

00:23:16.040 you don't really get anywhere

00:23:17.300 with an answer like that.

00:23:19.400 So she's agnostic

00:23:21.360 and then,

00:23:22.600 but then she has this idea,

00:23:24.640 despite her agnosticism,

00:23:26.540 that you can make the case

00:23:28.600 a priori

00:23:29.660 with nothing buttressing it

00:23:31.760 that people are somehow

00:23:33.080 inherently valuable.

00:23:34.180 and it seems to me

00:23:35.100 that that requires

00:23:36.000 a little more depth

00:23:37.880 and a little more explanation

00:23:39.180 for it to actually

00:23:40.000 be convincing.

00:23:41.120 You know,

00:23:41.400 it's like,

00:23:41.900 it's not obvious to me

00:23:42.980 that people themselves

00:23:43.980 think that they're valuable

00:23:45.260 all the time.

00:23:46.440 Often they don't think

00:23:47.360 that at all.

00:23:48.040 They certainly don't think

00:23:49.020 that often

00:23:49.960 when they're depressed.

00:23:51.260 They certainly don't think

00:23:52.200 that when they're suicidal.

00:23:53.300 they don't really think

00:23:54.500 that when they're ashamed

00:23:55.840 or guilty

00:23:56.420 or frustrated

00:23:57.140 or disappointed

00:23:58.000 or angry

00:23:58.700 or waking up

00:23:59.800 at three in the morning

00:24:00.620 and tormenting themselves

00:24:02.120 with their consciences.

00:24:03.720 They don't necessarily think

00:24:04.840 that when they're fighting

00:24:05.620 with their family

00:24:06.380 or when they're upset

00:24:07.300 at work

00:24:07.860 or, you know,

00:24:08.820 when things go wrong

00:24:09.680 in life.

00:24:10.860 And so,

00:24:11.980 it's not so bloody obvious

00:24:13.740 that people are inherently valuable.

00:24:16.820 And then you might also notice

00:24:18.300 that it's kind of easy

00:24:19.360 to think that some people

00:24:20.460 are more valuable than others.

00:24:21.980 Sort of like an animal farm,

00:24:23.480 you know,

00:24:23.740 where the animals were all equal

00:24:25.040 except that some animals

00:24:26.220 were more equal than others.

00:24:28.580 But it's very easy

00:24:29.780 for human beings

00:24:30.540 to think that

00:24:31.180 about other human beings

00:24:32.280 because no matter

00:24:33.480 where you look

00:24:34.360 in human societies,

00:24:35.860 there are rank orders

00:24:36.920 of value, right?

00:24:38.000 In any hierarchy

00:24:39.720 that we produce

00:24:40.660 that's associated

00:24:41.720 with some ability,

00:24:43.440 we find that some people

00:24:44.580 are so much better

00:24:46.260 at whatever it is

00:24:47.220 that they're doing

00:24:47.860 that it's an absolute miracle

00:24:49.660 and most people

00:24:50.880 are absolutely dreadful at it.

00:24:53.440 And so,

00:24:54.020 you know,

00:24:54.400 if you were thinking

00:24:55.540 about inherent value

00:24:56.780 as something associated

00:24:58.000 with an approximation

00:25:00.720 of skill or competence,

00:25:02.580 then it wouldn't be obvious

00:25:03.900 from the structure

00:25:04.680 of the world

00:25:05.180 that people were inherently

00:25:06.360 valuable in that manner either

00:25:07.900 because there's such

00:25:08.660 a rank order difference

00:25:09.780 in our ability to do things.

00:25:11.720 You know,

00:25:11.960 and you might say,

00:25:12.540 well,

00:25:12.620 that kind of averages out

00:25:13.900 across things

00:25:15.340 but I don't think

00:25:16.400 that's a very strong argument either.

00:25:18.700 So, it's not,

00:25:19.980 it's bloody well not obvious,

00:25:21.500 I'll tell you.

00:25:22.120 It's not obvious

00:25:22.980 where this idea

00:25:24.120 that people are inherently

00:25:25.340 valuable came from.

00:25:26.900 That's a tough one.

00:25:28.500 You know,

00:25:28.740 and in aristocratic states

00:25:32.820 or tyrannical states,

00:25:35.640 it's certainly not obvious

00:25:36.840 at all

00:25:37.340 that there's any acceptance

00:25:38.960 of the notion

00:25:40.420 that people are inherently valuable.

00:25:42.440 it's like there's no

00:25:43.920 necessary presumption

00:25:45.260 of innocence,

00:25:46.400 for example,

00:25:47.160 and you don't have

00:25:48.120 any sovereign right

00:25:49.880 to your own destiny,

00:25:51.440 like you're not granted

00:25:52.740 the rights,

00:25:54.220 not granted

00:25:55.020 because that's the wrong way

00:25:55.940 of thinking about it,

00:25:57.180 your rights

00:25:58.160 as a sovereign individual

00:25:59.800 who has the responsibility

00:26:02.260 and the capability

00:26:03.580 to determine

00:26:04.520 the destiny

00:26:05.660 of the state itself

00:26:07.020 don't exist.

00:26:08.320 That doesn't exist

00:26:09.060 as a concept

00:26:09.760 and so I don't see

00:26:10.820 that there's anything

00:26:11.640 there that speaks

00:26:13.020 of inherent value either.

00:26:14.540 So it's by no means

00:26:15.920 an obvious concept.

00:26:17.620 In fact,

00:26:18.000 I think it's one

00:26:18.660 of the least obvious concepts

00:26:20.360 that human beings

00:26:21.280 have ever come up with

00:26:22.740 that each of us

00:26:23.860 in some strange manner

00:26:25.740 is to be attributed

00:26:29.160 some divine spark,

00:26:31.440 let's say,

00:26:31.900 that makes us equal

00:26:33.100 in some fundamental way

00:26:35.160 before God,

00:26:36.080 you know,

00:26:36.460 before the reality

00:26:37.400 of the universe itself,

00:26:38.720 even in relationship

00:26:40.340 to our own laws.

00:26:42.220 I mean,

00:26:42.960 if you want a miracle

00:26:44.500 for an idea,

00:26:45.520 that's,

00:26:46.200 that's,

00:26:46.840 I can't think of one

00:26:47.860 that's more unlikely

00:26:50.360 than that.

00:26:51.580 So I've been puzzling

00:26:52.820 over that

00:26:53.220 for a very long time

00:26:54.240 because I cannot understand

00:26:55.660 why in the world

00:26:56.600 that idea ever came to be

00:26:58.540 or how in the world

00:26:59.820 we ever agreed

00:27:01.140 to act as if it was true.

00:27:03.760 It's really something

00:27:04.880 and we should let that go

00:27:06.520 with,

00:27:07.200 we let that idea go

00:27:08.480 to our great peril.

00:27:10.540 It's a fundamental,

00:27:11.800 remarkable,

00:27:12.660 fundamental idea.

00:27:13.900 And what's so interesting

00:27:14.960 about it too

00:27:15.580 is that

00:27:15.960 once you have that idea,

00:27:17.920 weird as it is

00:27:19.240 and improbable as it is,

00:27:21.040 and you start to organize

00:27:22.460 your social relationships

00:27:25.220 in accordance with it,

00:27:27.060 well,

00:27:27.320 then they work.

00:27:29.160 You know,

00:27:29.480 so my rule too

00:27:31.320 is treat yourself

00:27:32.520 as if you're someone

00:27:33.500 responsible for helping

00:27:34.840 and it's sort of predicated

00:27:36.020 on the idea

00:27:36.680 that regardless

00:27:37.660 of your inadequacies

00:27:39.620 and your malevolence,

00:27:40.780 which,

00:27:41.440 you know,

00:27:41.900 I'm sure you have

00:27:42.580 many inadequacies

00:27:43.720 and no shortage

00:27:44.840 of malevolence

00:27:45.680 just like everyone else,

00:27:47.220 regardless of that,

00:27:48.720 you have a moral obligation,

00:27:50.700 so that would be

00:27:51.600 a responsibility

00:27:52.360 to assume

00:27:53.780 that despite all evidence

00:27:55.920 that there's actually

00:27:56.940 something of intrinsic worth

00:27:59.160 about you

00:27:59.720 and that as a consequence

00:28:00.860 you're duty-bound

00:28:02.600 to treat yourself

00:28:04.360 like that

00:28:05.280 is true.

00:28:07.280 And then it turns out

00:28:08.600 that if you do that,

00:28:10.540 well,

00:28:10.800 then your life

00:28:11.400 gets better.

00:28:13.420 And I don't mean

00:28:14.680 happier exactly,

00:28:15.980 although I would say

00:28:16.940 it gets happier,

00:28:17.940 I mean it gets richer

00:28:19.380 and more meaningful

00:28:20.220 and deeper

00:28:20.840 and more worthwhile

00:28:22.720 and you become more educated

00:28:24.920 and you become wiser

00:28:26.080 and you treat yourself

00:28:28.060 with more respect

00:28:28.840 and you're a better model

00:28:29.920 for other people

00:28:30.660 and you're a better father

00:28:31.740 or a better sister

00:28:33.000 or a better mother,

00:28:34.600 whatever it happens to be.

00:28:37.440 And you're less ridden

00:28:39.660 by that guilt

00:28:40.680 that gnaws at you

00:28:42.520 and shame

00:28:43.280 that's there

00:28:44.540 otherwise saying

00:28:46.020 you're not what you could be,

00:28:47.900 you're not what you could be

00:28:49.100 and that's a hell of a voice

00:28:50.500 to get rid of

00:28:51.940 and it's certainly not one

00:28:53.080 that's easy to ignore.

00:28:54.880 So that's a pretty good,

00:28:57.120 that idea

00:28:58.160 that there's something divine,

00:28:59.980 let's say,

00:29:00.420 that resides within you

00:29:01.500 of ultimate worth.

00:29:04.240 Even as a philosophical statement

00:29:06.180 or a psychological statement

00:29:07.460 rather than a metaphysical statement,

00:29:09.580 it seems to be a precondition

00:29:11.200 for establishing

00:29:12.140 properly harmonious relationships

00:29:14.580 with yourself.

00:29:16.020 And that's,

00:29:16.440 that's,

00:29:17.220 man,

00:29:17.520 that's worth thinking about a lot,

00:29:19.120 you know,

00:29:19.360 that you have,

00:29:20.240 because you think,

00:29:21.260 you could think that in some sense

00:29:22.940 you just own yourself,

00:29:24.540 you know,

00:29:25.180 because people do kind of make that claim,

00:29:27.240 especially when they're trying to justify,

00:29:28.920 for example,

00:29:29.420 their right to suicide,

00:29:31.080 that,

00:29:31.460 you know,

00:29:31.720 it's your life,

00:29:32.940 it's your body,

00:29:34.160 you're yours to do

00:29:35.300 what you will with.

00:29:36.640 And if that was true,

00:29:38.780 well,

00:29:38.940 then it would seem to me

00:29:40.060 that life would be

00:29:40.880 a lot more straightforward

00:29:41.980 because you would just

00:29:43.100 tell yourself things

00:29:44.680 that you would instantly

00:29:45.700 obey and believe.

00:29:47.580 So first of all,

00:29:48.440 you'd tell yourself

00:29:49.560 all the things

00:29:50.180 that you were going to do

00:29:50.960 and then you'd just run off

00:29:52.080 and do them,

00:29:53.020 which you don't,

00:29:54.480 obviously,

00:29:55.520 because it's much more difficult

00:29:56.720 than that.

00:29:57.320 And then you'd also say,

00:29:58.460 well,

00:29:58.840 enough of the guilt

00:29:59.760 and the shame

00:30:00.420 and the negative emotion

00:30:01.480 and the disillusionment

00:30:02.700 and the vengefulness

00:30:03.480 and all those things

00:30:04.680 that make life hard,

00:30:06.800 especially the self-recrimination.

00:30:08.660 It's like,

00:30:09.020 what the hell

00:30:09.580 do we need that for?

00:30:11.100 And if we're our masters

00:30:12.660 of our own destiny

00:30:13.700 and owners of our own fate,

00:30:15.680 then why can't we just command

00:30:17.660 to ourselves

00:30:18.780 that that be dispensed with?

00:30:22.400 And like,

00:30:23.060 that doesn't work.

00:30:24.340 I've never seen anybody

00:30:25.500 able to do that.

00:30:27.000 So,

00:30:27.640 I mean,

00:30:28.100 you can fool yourself

00:30:29.000 for very brief periods of time

00:30:30.380 into thinking

00:30:30.880 that that might work,

00:30:31.940 but,

00:30:32.060 but it doesn't work

00:30:34.240 and that's strange

00:30:35.480 and this is one of the reasons

00:30:36.700 I love the psychoanalysts,

00:30:38.200 because they were really

00:30:39.060 the people,

00:30:40.000 apart from the religious types,

00:30:41.540 who figured out that

00:30:42.420 whatever you are,

00:30:45.100 you're not a unitary spirit

00:30:47.000 that's under your own dominion.

00:30:49.680 You know,

00:30:50.260 you're something like

00:30:51.240 a loose unity

00:30:52.820 of a multiplicity of spirits,

00:30:55.340 many of which are doing

00:30:56.360 their own thing,

00:30:57.320 which you're striving to bring

00:30:58.740 into some form of unity,

00:31:00.080 but even that unity

00:31:01.780 isn't something

00:31:02.440 that's under your control

00:31:04.040 in any real sense.

00:31:05.340 It's a unity

00:31:06.400 that has its own nature

00:31:07.940 that you have to exist

00:31:09.400 in relationship to

00:31:10.620 and I would also say

00:31:11.900 that that's one of the things

00:31:13.100 that keeps people,

00:31:14.620 people's feet firmly

00:31:15.720 on the ground

00:31:16.460 because otherwise

00:31:17.180 it's easy to become

00:31:18.420 egotistical and narcissistic.

00:31:20.120 if you think that you're

00:31:22.060 the center of your own being

00:31:24.240 in some fundamental sense,

00:31:26.720 then you're only beholden

00:31:29.660 to yourself.

00:31:30.680 You're sort of a self-created creature.

00:31:33.200 Perhaps you could think

00:31:34.000 about it that way,

00:31:35.180 but it doesn't work like that.

00:31:37.040 It's like the ideal

00:31:38.640 that constitutes the unity

00:31:40.860 that you might become

00:31:42.360 then sort of manifests itself

00:31:44.900 as something

00:31:45.440 that you could strive toward

00:31:47.640 but aren't

00:31:48.920 and it also serves

00:31:51.400 as a judge.

00:31:52.600 It's the thing

00:31:53.140 that keeps you up at night

00:31:54.240 saying,

00:31:55.260 you know,

00:31:55.720 there's some things

00:31:56.360 you're just not attending to

00:31:57.700 and you should get at it

00:31:59.120 because life is short

00:32:00.760 and there's no shortage

00:32:02.640 of trouble

00:32:03.180 that you might end up in

00:32:04.420 and a wise person

00:32:05.940 would attend

00:32:06.620 to the dictates

00:32:07.920 of his conscience

00:32:08.860 and lay out his actions

00:32:12.380 in the world

00:32:13.040 according to what he knows

00:32:14.660 to be true and correct.

00:32:17.060 And that is how people think

00:32:20.000 and it isn't obvious

00:32:21.840 that we,

00:32:23.560 why we think that way.

00:32:24.880 This is part of the reason

00:32:26.040 that it seems to me

00:32:26.880 so obvious

00:32:27.520 that we have a religious instinct

00:32:29.080 because I can't think of

00:32:30.620 what else you would possibly call that

00:32:33.180 other than a religious instinct.

00:32:34.640 You know,

00:32:35.200 Nietzsche,

00:32:35.740 when he proclaimed

00:32:36.560 the death of God,

00:32:37.840 which by the way

00:32:39.240 was no triumphant proclamation

00:32:41.680 because he also mentioned

00:32:43.300 that we would never find

00:32:44.820 enough water

00:32:45.500 to wash away the blood

00:32:46.740 which was his,

00:32:48.060 what would you call it,

00:32:49.340 prognostication

00:32:50.220 for the 20th century

00:32:51.520 and a very accurate one at that.

00:32:53.920 He believed that we would

00:32:54.960 in some sense

00:32:55.740 have to become as gods

00:32:57.600 in ourselves

00:33:00.380 in order to replace

00:33:02.280 what we had lost.

00:33:03.520 He thought that the collapse

00:33:05.040 of the Judeo-Christian structure

00:33:07.340 would be absolutely

00:33:08.380 catastrophic for the West

00:33:10.000 and I believe

00:33:10.920 that he was correct

00:33:11.800 and that the way out

00:33:12.920 of that would be

00:33:13.520 that we'd have to create

00:33:14.680 our own values.

00:33:16.140 We'd have to take

00:33:16.980 the place

00:33:17.700 of what was once,

00:33:19.380 let's say,

00:33:20.000 externalized and divine

00:33:21.640 onto ourselves.

00:33:22.940 and, you know,

00:33:25.400 it's a hell of a theory

00:33:26.400 and it's not,

00:33:29.400 and Nietzsche is not

00:33:30.240 an easy person

00:33:31.000 to criticize

00:33:31.560 because you have to do

00:33:33.820 a lot of reading

00:33:34.540 before you find someone

00:33:35.780 who's one-tenth

00:33:36.680 as smart as Nietzsche.

00:33:38.380 He has this funny line

00:33:40.400 about his books.

00:33:41.580 It's really quite comical.

00:33:43.020 He said,

00:33:43.440 takes most writers

00:33:46.400 a whole book

00:33:47.000 to write

00:33:47.480 what I can write

00:33:48.540 in a sentence.

00:33:51.260 Then he said,

00:33:52.040 no,

00:33:52.640 they can't even manage

00:33:53.660 it in a book

00:33:54.340 and that's actually true.

00:33:56.700 I mean,

00:33:57.100 if you read Nietzsche

00:33:58.100 Beyond Good and Evil,

00:33:59.140 for example,

00:33:59.680 you see that,

00:34:00.380 that his thought

00:34:03.420 is so powerful

00:34:04.180 that it's really,

00:34:04.920 it's really

00:34:05.880 a kind of miracle.

00:34:07.920 What the psychoanalysts

00:34:09.400 realized though,

00:34:10.340 this was particularly

00:34:11.340 Jung's contribution,

00:34:13.060 I would say,

00:34:13.580 Carl Jung's contribution.

00:34:14.740 He was a great student

00:34:15.560 of Nietzsche,

00:34:16.440 a real admirer of Nietzsche

00:34:17.740 and really someone

00:34:18.840 who was trying

00:34:19.420 to solve the problem

00:34:20.940 that Nietzsche

00:34:21.580 had put forward

00:34:22.420 which was,

00:34:23.300 well,

00:34:23.920 our underlying metaphysics,

00:34:26.300 our religious structure

00:34:27.300 had collapsed

00:34:28.160 and that was the story

00:34:29.900 upon which our entire culture

00:34:31.880 was based

00:34:32.560 for better or worse.

00:34:33.600 It had collapsed

00:34:34.340 and we needed

00:34:35.720 to do something

00:34:36.760 about that

00:34:37.400 and we were doing

00:34:38.360 various things.

00:34:39.320 We were turning

00:34:39.760 to fascism,

00:34:40.800 let's say,

00:34:41.280 or we were turning

00:34:42.080 to communism,

00:34:43.880 both ideological replacements

00:34:47.560 for more fundamental

00:34:48.680 religious beliefs

00:34:49.600 but that Nietzsche's suggestion

00:34:53.160 that we turn

00:34:53.760 to ourselves

00:34:54.420 to extract out

00:34:55.620 our own values,

00:34:56.960 to create our own values,

00:34:58.720 let me be more accurate

00:35:00.160 about that,

00:35:01.220 happened to be untrue

00:35:02.680 because we weren't

00:35:04.440 the sort of creatures

00:35:05.320 who were actually capable

00:35:06.640 of doing that

00:35:07.560 and that's a,

00:35:09.400 it's such,

00:35:10.140 it's one of the reasons

00:35:10.800 I love Jung

00:35:11.580 and his biological take

00:35:14.300 in some sense

00:35:15.020 towards human beings

00:35:15.960 because Jung firmly believed

00:35:18.200 and I think all of the evidence

00:35:19.920 supports him,

00:35:21.480 believed that human beings

00:35:23.000 actually had a nature,

00:35:24.500 you know,

00:35:24.860 that we weren't merely

00:35:27.280 social constructions,

00:35:29.320 which we certainly aren't,

00:35:30.560 despite what the social

00:35:32.040 constructionists insist upon

00:35:34.460 forcing us to think

00:35:36.980 increasingly through

00:35:38.120 legislative means

00:35:39.240 and that we had to wrestle

00:35:41.460 with what it was

00:35:43.340 that we were,

00:35:44.520 you know,

00:35:44.760 even though we're our own

00:35:46.060 creatures in some sense,

00:35:47.440 we also have to wrestle

00:35:48.400 with our intrinsic nature

00:35:49.960 and we know about,

00:35:52.060 we know about the nature

00:35:53.900 part of that more and more,

00:35:55.340 I mean,

00:35:55.500 we know more about

00:35:57.220 our neurocircuitry,

00:35:58.380 for example,

00:35:58.960 we know that there's a circuit

00:36:00.460 for rage

00:36:01.220 and there's a circuit for fear

00:36:02.680 and there's a,

00:36:03.300 there's a biological system

00:36:05.100 for jealousy

00:36:05.860 and there's a system

00:36:06.900 for altruism

00:36:07.780 and there's a circuit

00:36:08.540 for play

00:36:09.200 and there's another one

00:36:10.160 for pleasure

00:36:10.780 and there's a complex circuit

00:36:12.560 for negative emotion,

00:36:14.120 pain and anxiety

00:36:15.280 and frustration

00:36:16.060 and disappointment

00:36:16.820 and guilt and shame

00:36:17.880 and we know

00:36:18.700 that human beings

00:36:19.560 share that

00:36:20.800 motivational structure

00:36:22.420 not only with all

00:36:24.160 other human beings

00:36:25.080 but with,

00:36:25.920 certainly with all mammals

00:36:27.340 and almost all animals

00:36:29.160 and so that

00:36:30.240 biological component of us

00:36:32.560 is unbelievably deep,

00:36:34.360 right?

00:36:34.580 It's,

00:36:34.980 it's,

00:36:35.600 tens of millions,

00:36:37.320 hundreds of millions

00:36:38.320 and even,

00:36:39.640 and even billions

00:36:42.180 of years old.

00:36:43.320 I read an interesting paper

00:36:44.800 just the other day,

00:36:45.760 you know,

00:36:46.020 I tend to talk about

00:36:46.920 lobsters more than

00:36:47.800 the average person

00:36:48.680 and one of the points

00:36:51.140 I made in 12 Rules for Life

00:36:52.600 was that

00:36:53.120 our neurochemistry,

00:36:55.160 at least some of it,

00:36:55.980 is so similar,

00:36:56.940 it's been conserved

00:36:57.980 so completely

00:36:59.020 throughout the

00:36:59.940 immense duration

00:37:01.460 of evolution,

00:37:02.780 hundreds of millions

00:37:03.540 of years,

00:37:04.440 that lobsters,

00:37:06.360 like human beings,

00:37:07.520 appear to become

00:37:08.580 the lobster equivalent

00:37:10.400 of depressed

00:37:10.980 if they suffer

00:37:12.140 a hierarchy defeat

00:37:13.540 and that if you give them

00:37:15.040 chemicals

00:37:15.960 that are roughly

00:37:16.920 analogous

00:37:17.640 to human antidepressants,

00:37:19.280 it perks them

00:37:19.900 right back up

00:37:20.740 their posture improves

00:37:22.160 and they'll go off

00:37:22.920 and fight

00:37:23.440 and,

00:37:24.100 you know,

00:37:24.280 when I first discovered

00:37:25.160 that it just,

00:37:26.000 well,

00:37:26.220 it just,

00:37:27.020 it just blew me away.

00:37:28.640 I never recovered from it.

00:37:29.900 I thought,

00:37:30.660 my God,

00:37:31.260 really,

00:37:31.680 that the continent,

00:37:33.020 it's 350 million years

00:37:34.840 of continuity

00:37:35.720 in the structure

00:37:37.720 of those systems

00:37:38.600 and,

00:37:39.280 you know,

00:37:39.660 we know the serotonin system,

00:37:41.500 which is the system

00:37:42.200 I'm talking about,

00:37:43.360 does govern

00:37:44.640 your observation

00:37:46.520 of where you sit

00:37:48.100 in a social hierarchy

00:37:49.180 like it does

00:37:49.780 for many,

00:37:50.720 many animal species

00:37:51.760 and as one consequence

00:37:53.400 of that,

00:37:54.100 regulates your emotions

00:37:55.320 so that if it sees

00:37:56.740 that you're a relatively

00:37:57.760 high-status creature

00:37:59.220 in your local environment,

00:38:01.360 then it tends

00:38:02.080 to allow you

00:38:03.100 to feel

00:38:03.660 more positive emotion

00:38:05.000 and less negative emotion

00:38:06.360 and if it sees you

00:38:07.580 as a low-status creature

00:38:09.040 in your local

00:38:10.160 comparative environment,

00:38:11.260 then it does the opposite.

00:38:12.380 It overwhelms you

00:38:13.520 with negative emotion

00:38:14.480 and suppresses

00:38:15.320 positive emotion

00:38:16.220 and so,

00:38:16.840 you know,

00:38:17.020 and that's really bad.

00:38:18.460 No one likes that.

00:38:20.160 It's fundamentally,

00:38:22.000 there's really nothing worse

00:38:23.380 that can happen to you

00:38:24.420 than that

00:38:24.840 to have those emotions

00:38:25.980 re-adjusted

00:38:30.060 in that manner

00:38:30.700 so that the incentive reward

00:38:32.640 and the motivation

00:38:33.780 and the positive emotion

00:38:35.380 vanishes from your life

00:38:37.020 so there's nothing

00:38:37.980 to be enthusiastic

00:38:39.000 or excited about

00:38:39.880 and all of the negative emotions,

00:38:42.280 pain,

00:38:42.780 disappointment,

00:38:43.240 frustration, grief,

00:38:44.680 all of those

00:38:45.260 terrible negative emotions

00:38:46.640 are tremendously magnified.

00:38:49.020 No one wants that.

00:38:51.300 It's the last thing you want.

00:38:53.320 Perhaps it's the last thing you want

00:38:55.120 and, you know,

00:38:56.160 that's partly why people

00:38:57.220 are very,

00:38:58.360 let's call it,

00:39:00.260 what would you say,

00:39:02.200 they're tightly,

00:39:03.340 they're willing to fight

00:39:04.720 for their position

00:39:05.700 in their status hierarchy

00:39:07.140 and even for the existence

00:39:08.220 of the hierarchies themselves.

00:39:10.660 So, anyways,

00:39:12.020 it is the case

00:39:14.040 that human beings

00:39:14.880 have a nature

00:39:15.520 and we have to contend

00:39:17.520 with that nature

00:39:18.300 and so we can't just

00:39:19.760 create our own values

00:39:21.000 and what Jung,

00:39:23.460 especially Jung,

00:39:25.000 Freud started it,

00:39:26.120 but especially Jung

00:39:27.260 believed that,

00:39:28.780 well, in some sense

00:39:29.680 what had happened

00:39:30.760 was that we had lost

00:39:32.000 the externalized

00:39:33.220 religious narrative

00:39:34.100 that had been projected

00:39:35.220 by our imagination

00:39:36.320 out onto the world.

00:39:38.300 You know,

00:39:38.860 think about the constellations

00:39:41.000 and the names

00:39:42.560 of the constellations

00:39:43.600 and the idea

00:39:44.480 that the skies

00:39:45.220 were populated by gods,

00:39:46.920 you know,

00:39:47.280 that was an externalization

00:39:48.740 of our imagination,

00:39:49.760 right, projected out

00:39:50.760 into the world.

00:39:51.300 We were seeing the world

00:39:52.360 through our imagination

00:39:53.440 and which is exactly

00:39:55.600 how we do see the world

00:39:56.700 and as we proceed,

00:39:58.380 we're better able

00:39:59.360 to distinguish,

00:40:00.440 let's say,

00:40:00.980 what's imagination

00:40:01.880 from what's objective world

00:40:03.740 but that doesn't mean

00:40:04.740 the imagination disappears

00:40:06.300 or that it's without value

00:40:07.680 because the imagination

00:40:08.860 is part of what helps us,

00:40:11.040 let's say,

00:40:11.460 confront the future

00:40:12.420 because we do that

00:40:13.300 with our imagination

00:40:14.040 and to compose things

00:40:16.280 in possibility

00:40:17.860 before we realize them

00:40:19.740 in actuality.

00:40:21.260 So for Jung,

00:40:22.160 the world of gods

00:40:23.000 just collapsed within

00:40:24.260 back into the imagination

00:40:25.540 and it was into the imagination

00:40:27.600 that we had to go again

00:40:28.920 to discover what we had lost,

00:40:30.860 to discover these lost values

00:40:33.100 and that's akin,

00:40:34.760 in some sense,

00:40:35.380 I suppose,

00:40:35.940 to rescuing your father

00:40:37.400 from the belly of the whale.

00:40:38.700 A very brilliant,

00:40:40.920 brilliant,

00:40:42.580 intellectual tour de force

00:40:44.780 to manage that supposition,

00:40:47.780 especially back when he did it

00:40:50.280 and I think,

00:40:51.480 I see no evidence whatsoever

00:40:53.140 that he was wrong

00:40:54.160 given, as I said,

00:40:56.460 our radical inability

00:40:57.940 to command ourselves

00:41:00.080 as if we are our own

00:41:02.480 in some fundamental way.

00:41:04.360 We seem subject to,

00:41:06.440 now I'm,

00:41:06.840 we seem subject to

00:41:08.520 intractable moral laws

00:41:11.160 and I'm not trying

00:41:13.140 to make a case

00:41:13.840 for the accuracy

00:41:14.720 of those laws necessarily

00:41:15.980 or for their metaphysical origin

00:41:17.680 but I am trying

00:41:18.820 to make a case

00:41:19.520 for their psychological

00:41:20.700 and phenomenological reality.

00:41:23.220 You definitely experience them

00:41:24.780 insofar as you suffer,

00:41:26.420 let's say,

00:41:26.980 from the pricks

00:41:29.580 and arrows

00:41:30.360 of your own conscience

00:41:31.440 and I doubt

00:41:32.600 if there's a single person

00:41:33.720 in this room

00:41:34.660 who doesn't regularly suffer

00:41:36.900 in that manner

00:41:38.080 and some of you

00:41:39.160 suffer like that

00:41:40.120 virtually all the time

00:41:41.440 which can also be a problem.

00:41:43.580 In any case,

00:41:44.460 it's interesting

00:41:46.220 to note

00:41:47.100 that we're not

00:41:48.200 exactly masters

00:41:49.380 in our own houses

00:41:50.540 and that's such an interesting thing

00:41:54.080 to note

00:41:54.480 because you think,

00:41:55.540 well,

00:41:55.920 if we're not masters

00:41:56.840 in our own houses,

00:41:58.380 well,

00:41:58.580 what is it?

00:41:59.340 Is it just,

00:42:00.000 is it just a chaotic internal structure?

00:42:02.760 Is it merely the voice of nature

00:42:05.040 and nature's various instinctual subsystems?

00:42:08.140 That doesn't seem to be correct

00:42:09.660 because we do integrate them

00:42:11.420 into something approximating a unity.

00:42:13.660 There's more than just the basics of nature.

00:42:16.000 We have language.

00:42:17.100 We have communication.

00:42:18.080 We have culture.

00:42:19.140 We build up above nature

00:42:21.100 something that's more than nature

00:42:22.640 but we're still beholden to it.

00:42:25.180 The question is,

00:42:26.020 well,

00:42:26.260 what are we beholden to?

00:42:28.180 What is this

00:42:29.000 that we're beholden to?

00:42:30.820 And socially,

00:42:32.220 politically,

00:42:32.640 and individually

00:42:33.820 that we cannot escape from?

00:42:36.800 Well,

00:42:37.560 so that's part of the question.

00:42:39.880 Do you believe in God?

00:42:41.620 Well,

00:42:41.840 that's part of the answer,

00:42:42.900 actually.

00:42:43.600 And,

00:42:43.840 you know,

00:42:44.040 it's no bleak answer.

00:42:45.820 But the first thing

00:42:46.740 I'm trying to say is,

00:42:49.100 try controlling yourself.

00:42:52.040 Try acting as if

00:42:53.240 you're the fundamental source

00:42:54.940 of your own values

00:42:56.080 independent of any,

00:42:58.640 what would you call it,

00:42:59.680 transcendent ethical structure.

00:43:01.700 to see if you can do that.

00:43:04.180 But try it for a week.

00:43:05.400 Try it for a month.

00:43:06.580 I've never met anybody

00:43:07.600 that could do it.

00:43:08.840 Not even for a moment.

00:43:10.780 I mean,

00:43:11.600 I don't know how many of you

00:43:12.820 have read

00:43:13.260 Dostoevsky's Crime and Punishment

00:43:15.300 but I would highly recommend that

00:43:16.880 if you're interested

00:43:17.500 in this sort of thing

00:43:18.240 because it's the definitive study

00:43:19.900 of this idea

00:43:21.140 because in Crime and Punishment

00:43:22.840 the protagonist

00:43:24.420 commits the perfect murder

00:43:26.960 and he has his reasons for it

00:43:28.920 and many reasons

00:43:30.060 because Dostoevsky

00:43:31.100 he didn't mess around

00:43:32.020 when he wanted to give

00:43:33.480 someone reasons

00:43:34.300 he gave them reasons

00:43:35.580 and Raskolnikov,

00:43:37.340 the main character

00:43:38.100 had reasons for murder

00:43:39.200 and then he commits his murder

00:43:40.780 and he gets away with it.

00:43:43.740 But things don't go well

00:43:45.440 for Raskolnikov

00:43:46.580 because one of the things

00:43:48.000 he finds out

00:43:48.640 is that

00:43:49.040 the Raskolnikov

00:43:50.640 that you were

00:43:51.300 before you committed the murder

00:43:52.660 is not the same

00:43:54.780 as the Raskolnikov

00:43:55.960 as you are

00:43:56.600 after you've committed the murder.

00:43:58.080 and there's a dividing line there

00:44:00.160 that you don't

00:44:00.900 it's like the red pill

00:44:02.900 I guess, right?

00:44:03.980 It's like

00:44:04.580 that's the matrix, correct?

00:44:06.620 The red pill?

00:44:08.560 And once

00:44:09.760 there's certain actions

00:44:11.500 once you take them

00:44:12.480 there's no going back

00:44:13.800 and so that's what

00:44:15.220 Crime and Punishment

00:44:15.920 is about

00:44:16.420 and Raskolnikov

00:44:17.660 tortures himself

00:44:18.580 to death

00:44:19.280 well, not literally

00:44:20.320 but metaphysically

00:44:21.360 psychologically

00:44:22.460 because he cannot tolerate

00:44:24.260 breaking the great moral code

00:44:27.640 and so

00:44:28.820 it's a great book

00:44:30.040 it's truly a great book

00:44:31.360 and it's also

00:44:32.380 extraordinarily

00:44:34.000 like it's a

00:44:35.320 it's a

00:44:35.720 it's a

00:44:36.220 it's a murder mystery thriller

00:44:38.120 as well as being

00:44:39.360 a deep philosophical book

00:44:40.920 so

00:44:41.160 if you're in the mood

00:44:42.980 for

00:44:43.260 you know

00:44:43.700 a murder mystery thriller

00:44:44.960 that's also a deep philosophical book

00:44:46.960 then

00:44:47.220 that's the one for you

00:44:48.580 so

00:44:49.480 now

00:44:50.640 one of the other

00:44:52.160 speakers on the panel

00:44:54.200 Van Badham

00:44:55.420 who

00:44:56.460 who

00:44:57.060 who

00:44:57.800 described

00:44:58.860 was described

00:44:59.920 not by me

00:45:00.720 as a writer

00:45:01.500 activist

00:45:02.440 and Twitter queen

00:45:04.340 which is

00:45:07.040 I think

00:45:07.940 like being the red queen

00:45:09.720 in Ellis and Wonderland

00:45:11.180 something like that

00:45:12.360 I went on her Twitter site today

00:45:14.040 to find out how many followers

00:45:15.280 she has

00:45:16.320 but apparently

00:45:17.020 I'm not one of them

00:45:18.200 because I'm blocked

00:45:19.600 and

00:45:20.540 and

00:45:21.580 it kind of surprises me

00:45:23.920 because

00:45:26.580 I didn't know

00:45:28.240 that I'd ever

00:45:28.900 tried to follow

00:45:30.300 her

00:45:31.040 but

00:45:31.740 anyways

00:45:33.740 she said

00:45:35.180 and this was interesting

00:45:37.400 she said

00:45:38.320 I'm a Christian

00:45:39.140 and a Marxist

00:45:40.220 and I thought

00:45:41.680 no

00:45:44.720 you can only be

00:45:50.180 a Christian

00:45:50.620 and a Marxist

00:45:51.380 if you

00:45:51.740 well there's a couple of ways

00:45:53.240 one is

00:45:54.280 one is that

00:45:55.680 you just want to be

00:45:57.260 all things

00:45:58.100 that are good

00:45:58.840 at once

00:45:59.640 regardless of their

00:46:01.140 internal contradictions

00:46:02.320 and so that would be

00:46:03.520 one reason

00:46:04.120 and another

00:46:05.000 reason would be

00:46:06.180 that you don't know

00:46:07.080 anything about

00:46:07.680 Christianity

00:46:08.300 or Marxism

00:46:09.580 and

00:46:11.240 and

00:46:12.040 and then the next

00:46:13.180 would be

00:46:13.560 that you're just

00:46:14.160 compartmentalized

00:46:15.360 you know

00:46:16.100 like

00:46:16.360 there's this idea

00:46:17.320 that people can't hold

00:46:18.540 two contradictory thoughts

00:46:20.080 in their mind

00:46:20.720 at the same time

00:46:21.680 well

00:46:23.060 that idea

00:46:24.080 was formulated

00:46:24.740 by someone

00:46:25.320 who

00:46:25.580 who's never met

00:46:26.840 a human being

00:46:27.840 because

00:46:28.460 you can hold

00:46:29.360 like 50 contradictory thoughts

00:46:31.320 in your head

00:46:32.180 at the same time

00:46:33.100 as you know

00:46:33.900 whenever you argue

00:46:34.740 with someone

00:46:35.220 that you love

00:46:36.000 because you love them

00:46:37.080 and maybe you even like them

00:46:38.460 but you also hate them

00:46:39.600 and you wish

00:46:40.100 that you could just

00:46:40.660 crush them

00:46:41.280 right there and then

00:46:42.140 and so

00:46:42.920 like that's a lot

00:46:43.780 of contradictory ideas

00:46:45.060 and that's probably

00:46:45.900 only like half

00:46:46.860 the contradictory ideas

00:46:48.080 that are running

00:46:48.600 through your mind

00:46:49.300 at the moment

00:46:49.920 you know

00:46:50.720 so man

00:46:51.460 you're so full of

00:46:52.360 contradictions

00:46:52.940 that it's just

00:46:53.540 beyond belief

00:46:54.280 and the only time

00:46:54.980 I mean I know this

00:46:56.400 because I read

00:46:56.900 undergraduate essays

00:46:58.020 and what's

00:47:00.100 what's interesting

00:47:01.000 about undergraduate essays

00:47:02.540 is it's so interesting

00:47:04.560 because the undergraduate

00:47:06.000 will make a claim

00:47:07.060 in paragraph one

00:47:08.840 and then in paragraph seven

00:47:11.400 will make the opposite claim

00:47:13.240 and they won't notice

00:47:14.640 that they're intellectually

00:47:18.200 incommensurate

00:47:19.040 and you know

00:47:19.880 that might happen

00:47:20.460 30 times in the essay

00:47:22.160 and and the reason

00:47:23.500 that that that works

00:47:25.500 is because

00:47:26.040 well they haven't

00:47:27.060 been called on the paradoxes

00:47:29.060 but also because

00:47:29.940 they haven't had to live

00:47:31.980 the paradoxes through

00:47:33.480 because you really only

00:47:34.840 straighten out your thought

00:47:35.960 when you have

00:47:36.580 like impulse a

00:47:38.320 and impulse b

00:47:39.340 and they conflict

00:47:40.780 at the same time

00:47:42.840 right

00:47:43.440 and you can either

00:47:44.080 do one or the other

00:47:45.560 but not both

00:47:46.540 you know

00:47:47.140 if it's a today

00:47:47.920 and b tomorrow

00:47:48.800 well then

00:47:49.300 you can be

00:47:49.960 you can hold those ideas

00:47:51.840 simultaneously

00:47:52.440 but if it's a or b

00:47:53.640 right now

00:47:54.380 then you have to decide

00:47:56.080 is a more important

00:47:57.560 or is b more important

00:47:58.740 you have to

00:47:59.340 put them in a hierarchy

00:48:00.520 and then you have to

00:48:01.420 act them out

00:48:02.020 and you have to see

00:48:02.560 what happens

00:48:03.220 and so then you find out

00:48:04.760 if you're full of contradictions

00:48:06.160 and part of the way

00:48:07.280 that you iron out

00:48:08.620 your contradictions

00:48:09.680 which is very very hard

00:48:11.240 to do

00:48:11.700 is that you go out

00:48:12.740 and you do a whole bunch

00:48:13.620 of things in the world

00:48:14.520 like Socrates did

00:48:15.620 you go

00:48:15.920 you have your adventure

00:48:16.980 in the world

00:48:17.560 and you put your ideas

00:48:18.840 to the test

00:48:19.600 and those that

00:48:20.800 work out in a paradoxical

00:48:23.160 or counterproductive manner

00:48:24.400 you dispense with

00:48:25.420 or put lower on the priority list

00:48:27.380 or something like that

00:48:28.220 and that's how you discover

00:48:29.220 that you know

00:48:30.360 you can't hold

00:48:31.260 incommensurate views

00:48:33.020 simultaneously

00:48:34.120 Carl Jung said

00:48:35.760 that something like

00:48:38.180 paradoxical views

00:48:39.500 that are not made conscious

00:48:40.660 will be played out

00:48:41.680 in the world as fate

00:48:43.160 and that's really worth

00:48:45.360 thinking about too

00:48:46.120 so if you have your

00:48:47.200 let's call it

00:48:48.620 your typical

00:48:49.560 negative experience

00:48:51.520 you know

00:48:52.120 it's this thing

00:48:52.700 that just keeps

00:48:53.340 seems to just

00:48:54.240 keep happening to you

00:48:55.620 bad luck

00:48:56.580 let's call it

00:48:57.320 it's highly probable

00:48:58.600 that there's

00:48:59.620 a set of ideas

00:49:01.200 that are

00:49:02.000 occupying you

00:49:04.060 preoccupying you

00:49:05.280 possessing you

00:49:06.120 that are driving you

00:49:08.040 in this direction

00:49:08.860 continually

00:49:09.560 and that you

00:49:10.780 you can't

00:49:11.920 or won't

00:49:12.900 work out

00:49:13.800 the contradiction

00:49:14.720 and as a consequence

00:49:16.140 you know

00:49:17.620 maybe you think

00:49:18.160 every woman

00:49:18.660 is your mother

00:49:19.360 and you haven't noticed

00:49:20.400 that you think that

00:49:21.360 and that

00:49:22.100 that you know

00:49:23.280 and it is something

00:49:24.360 that people think

00:49:25.240 because women are

00:49:26.660 mothers are women

00:49:27.740 and it's not a bad

00:49:29.200 initial template

00:49:29.980 but you know

00:49:30.480 you gotta

00:49:30.860 you gotta modify it

00:49:32.940 to some degree

00:49:33.760 and you know

00:49:35.300 if that's an unconscious

00:49:36.540 idea that you have

00:49:37.640 and you continue

00:49:38.320 to play it out

00:49:39.060 you may run into

00:49:40.060 your continual

00:49:41.380 habitual negative

00:49:43.100 experience with women

00:49:44.240 and you'll wonder

00:49:45.500 what the hell

00:49:46.060 is wrong with women

00:49:47.080 but it isn't the women

00:49:48.840 that has the problem

00:49:49.680 it's you

00:49:50.180 and you know

00:49:52.540 if you run into

00:49:53.160 problems with women

00:49:53.980 all the time

00:49:54.980 then it's highly probable

00:49:58.180 that the problem

00:49:58.920 is you

00:50:00.560 so

00:50:01.420 not always

00:50:03.260 but

00:50:04.020 generally

00:50:05.180 so let's go into

00:50:06.440 this Marxist

00:50:07.440 and Christian idea

00:50:08.560 here just for a minute

00:50:09.540 so

00:50:09.820 we'll start with

00:50:11.300 we'll start with

00:50:12.100 some of the ideas

00:50:12.800 of Marx

00:50:13.520 well Marx believed

00:50:15.840 that people were

00:50:16.420 basically socially

00:50:17.300 constructed

00:50:17.940 so that

00:50:19.000 we were blank

00:50:19.980 slates

00:50:20.580 and that

00:50:21.920 whatever

00:50:22.580 our nature was

00:50:24.080 was given to us

00:50:25.320 essentially

00:50:25.980 by our surroundings

00:50:27.220 but even more

00:50:28.080 importantly

00:50:28.520 by our social

00:50:29.460 class

00:50:30.240 right

00:50:30.840 because Marx

00:50:31.480 was a theorist

00:50:32.200 of social class

00:50:33.080 and believed

00:50:33.560 that the primary

00:50:34.400 dispute

00:50:37.200 let's say

00:50:37.860 the primary

00:50:38.780 motivator

00:50:40.520 of human history

00:50:41.420 the primary

00:50:41.980 driver

00:50:42.580 of human history

00:50:43.420 was something

00:50:43.960 like the rich

00:50:44.620 versus the poor

00:50:45.540 the bourgeoisie

00:50:46.780 versus the proletariat

00:50:47.980 and that was a

00:50:48.980 consequence of your

00:50:49.820 social upbringing

00:50:50.540 and that your group

00:50:51.320 identity was paramount

00:50:52.620 okay

00:50:53.280 so there's nothing

00:50:54.020 about that

00:50:54.540 that's vaguely

00:50:55.380 Christian

00:50:55.900 that's not

00:50:56.700 how the Christian

00:50:57.540 worldview works

00:50:58.440 not how the

00:50:58.940 Judeo-Christian

00:50:59.580 worldview works

00:51:00.480 because in that

00:51:01.800 worldview

00:51:04.400 your nature is

00:51:05.420 fundamentally

00:51:06.180 attributable

00:51:06.980 to you

00:51:07.660 by God

00:51:08.380 you're fundamentally

00:51:09.480 responsible to God

00:51:10.960 and your

00:51:12.640 and history

00:51:14.020 itself

00:51:14.560 is something

00:51:15.080 like the

00:51:15.560 playing out

00:51:16.360 of your

00:51:16.720 relationship

00:51:17.320 to the

00:51:17.740 transcendent

00:51:18.520 so those

00:51:19.120 things aren't

00:51:19.660 even

00:51:19.940 those aren't

00:51:21.240 the same

00:51:21.900 they're not

00:51:23.020 commensurate

00:51:23.700 you can't believe

00:51:25.040 both of them

00:51:25.820 at the same

00:51:26.360 time

00:51:26.820 Marxism

00:51:29.120 is a

00:51:29.940 materialistic

00:51:30.740 philosophy

00:51:31.300 it's predicated

00:51:32.560 on the idea

00:51:33.280 that

00:51:33.600 essentially

00:51:34.980 an idea

00:51:35.880 that Dostoevsky

00:51:36.680 criticized

00:51:37.180 in great depth

00:51:38.080 was that

00:51:38.500 if you just

00:51:39.520 made people

00:51:40.380 rich enough

00:51:41.580 let's say

00:51:42.080 if you deprive

00:51:43.080 them of their

00:51:43.780 privation

00:51:44.580 if you equalize

00:51:45.940 their economic

00:51:46.540 status

00:51:47.040 let's say

00:51:47.580 that the utopia

00:51:49.780 would come to

00:51:51.200 light upon earth

00:51:52.060 and you know

00:51:52.640 I have a certain

00:51:53.560 amount of sympathy

00:51:54.260 for a viewpoint

00:51:55.280 like that

00:51:56.060 because you know

00:51:57.140 who likes

00:51:58.200 starvation

00:51:58.940 and misery

00:52:00.120 you know

00:52:01.000 there's nothing

00:52:01.980 positive to be

00:52:02.840 said about that

00:52:03.520 but I think

00:52:04.320 Dostoevsky

00:52:05.040 was right

00:52:05.620 too

00:52:05.880 in his

00:52:06.200 criticism

00:52:06.680 of Marxism

00:52:07.960 although he

00:52:08.640 wasn't directly

00:52:09.320 aiming this

00:52:09.840 at Marx

00:52:10.340 in notes

00:52:12.000 from underground

00:52:12.600 where he

00:52:13.040 noted that

00:52:13.640 you know

00:52:14.180 if you gave

00:52:14.740 people

00:52:15.220 what they

00:52:16.180 wanted

00:52:16.600 in terms

00:52:17.140 of

00:52:17.400 let's say

00:52:18.160 bread

00:52:18.500 and circuses

00:52:19.420 they had

00:52:20.060 as he said

00:52:21.000 nothing to do

00:52:21.660 but eat

00:52:22.200 cakes

00:52:22.560 and busy

00:52:23.000 themselves

00:52:23.440 with the

00:52:23.840 continuation

00:52:24.240 of the

00:52:24.820 species

00:52:25.320 which is

00:52:26.040 kind of

00:52:26.300 a nice

00:52:26.640 phrase

00:52:27.080 that

00:52:29.280 the first

00:52:29.820 thing

00:52:30.020 they would

00:52:30.320 do

00:52:30.500 is take

00:52:30.860 a hammer

00:52:31.320 and smash

00:52:31.980 things

00:52:32.340 just so

00:52:32.780 that something

00:52:33.280 improbable

00:52:34.100 and strange

00:52:34.720 would happen

00:52:35.300 just so

00:52:35.780 that we

00:52:36.080 could have

00:52:36.480 our way

00:52:37.100 you know

00:52:37.900 and it's

00:52:38.480 kind of

00:52:38.820 a recapitulation

00:52:39.720 of the idea

00:52:40.480 of original

00:52:41.040 sin

00:52:41.480 in Dostoevsky's

00:52:42.720 subtle manner

00:52:43.340 is that

00:52:43.680 we're the

00:52:44.000 sorts of

00:52:44.380 creatures

00:52:44.720 that

00:52:45.020 you know

00:52:45.700 what did

00:52:46.440 he say

00:52:46.860 we're

00:52:47.360 ungrateful

00:52:48.020 that's the

00:52:48.640 thing that

00:52:48.980 primarily

00:52:49.540 distinguishes

00:52:50.620 us from

00:52:51.160 animals

00:52:51.620 is we're

00:52:52.120 ungrateful

00:52:52.620 and that

00:52:52.980 we can

00:52:53.360 curse

00:52:53.800 that was

00:52:54.220 what he

00:52:54.600 thought

00:52:54.860 made us

00:52:55.280 different

00:52:55.560 than animals

00:52:56.140 and that

00:52:56.780 even if

00:52:57.620 we got

00:52:58.020 what we

00:52:58.620 wanted

00:52:59.540 materially

00:53:00.960 that wouldn't

00:53:01.500 satisfy us

00:53:02.320 because we're

00:53:03.040 not the

00:53:03.600 sorts of

00:53:04.000 creatures

00:53:04.320 that can

00:53:04.700 be satisfied

00:53:05.400 with material

00:53:06.920 possessions

00:53:08.280 let's say

00:53:08.760 or material

00:53:09.160 comfort

00:53:09.540 because it

00:53:10.060 isn't even

00:53:10.480 obvious that

00:53:11.120 we're after

00:53:11.660 comfort

00:53:12.300 I mean

00:53:12.700 what do

00:53:13.280 you want

00:53:13.540 you want

00:53:13.780 to just

00:53:14.200 lay in a

00:53:14.820 feather bed

00:53:15.440 and eat

00:53:15.840 peeled grapes

00:53:16.640 all day

00:53:17.140 I mean

00:53:17.440 maybe for

00:53:17.880 an hour

00:53:18.620 or so

00:53:19.180 that might

00:53:19.740 not be

00:53:20.000 a bad

00:53:20.360 idea

00:53:20.700 but you

00:53:21.320 know

00:53:21.500 it's going

00:53:22.320 to get

00:53:22.560 dull

00:53:22.940 pretty quick

00:53:23.460 you're going

00:53:23.740 to go out

00:53:24.100 looking for

00:53:24.540 trouble

00:53:24.940 and it's

00:53:26.200 certainly

00:53:26.460 possible

00:53:26.980 that the

00:53:27.440 more material

00:53:28.380 resources

00:53:29.080 and the

00:53:30.260 easier they

00:53:30.940 were to

00:53:31.320 get

00:53:31.640 that you

00:53:32.300 have at

00:53:32.940 your disposal

00:53:33.620 the more

00:53:34.320 creative ways

00:53:35.480 you're going

00:53:35.980 to find

00:53:36.580 to cause

00:53:37.140 yourself

00:53:37.520 trouble

00:53:37.880 when you

00:53:38.260 go out

00:53:38.560 and look

00:53:38.840 for trouble

00:53:39.400 and so

00:53:40.140 and that's

00:53:40.480 a testament

00:53:40.940 to the

00:53:41.320 human spirit

00:53:41.940 and Dostoevsky

00:53:42.660 knew this

00:53:43.180 it's like

00:53:43.540 well whatever

00:53:44.360 we're here

00:53:45.000 for

00:53:45.340 it isn't

00:53:46.600 the utopia

00:53:47.580 of equal

00:53:48.620 material

00:53:49.140 distribution

00:53:49.840 that's

00:53:50.960 not

00:53:51.240 we're not

00:53:52.080 we're not

00:53:52.520 we're not

00:53:53.040 looking to

00:53:53.780 be

00:53:54.100 fed

00:53:55.460 and asleep

00:53:56.280 you know

00:53:57.400 and I don't

00:53:58.320 know what it

00:53:58.720 is that we're

00:53:59.160 looking for

00:53:59.820 God only knows

00:54:00.940 maybe what we're

00:54:02.140 looking for is

00:54:02.980 to continually

00:54:03.960 keep looking

00:54:05.080 something like

00:54:05.920 that

00:54:06.320 I mean

00:54:06.880 that's the

00:54:07.460 sorts of

00:54:07.840 creatures that

00:54:08.380 we are

00:54:08.840 but

00:54:09.500 but the

00:54:10.280 but the

00:54:10.820 materialist

00:54:11.440 philosophy

00:54:11.880 is that

00:54:12.420 well if you

00:54:13.000 just provided

00:54:13.700 for people

00:54:14.260 economically

00:54:14.920 problem over

00:54:16.360 and no

00:54:18.280 wrong

00:54:19.940 I mean

00:54:20.660 most of

00:54:21.180 you are

00:54:21.940 as

00:54:22.620 given that

00:54:24.000 you're you

00:54:24.400 know you're

00:54:24.740 going to

00:54:25.160 be ill

00:54:26.080 in one way

00:54:26.700 or another

00:54:26.980 and that

00:54:27.320 you're still

00:54:27.680 subject to

00:54:28.300 mortality

00:54:28.760 and all

00:54:29.740 of the

00:54:30.040 terrible

00:54:30.380 natural

00:54:30.980 limitations

00:54:32.080 that human

00:54:32.700 beings

00:54:33.060 are characterized

00:54:33.960 by

00:54:34.400 you're about

00:54:35.340 as well

00:54:35.780 off as

00:54:36.240 you're going

00:54:36.540 to get

00:54:37.020 you know

00:54:37.840 the economic

00:54:39.200 data already

00:54:40.200 show that

00:54:40.960 once you

00:54:41.920 have enough

00:54:42.420 money

00:54:42.860 so that

00:54:43.620 bill collectors

00:54:44.700 aren't chasing

00:54:45.800 you

00:54:46.260 which basically

00:54:47.300 puts you

00:54:47.820 say at the

00:54:48.620 kind of in the

00:54:49.560 upper reaches

00:54:50.160 of the

00:54:50.600 working class

00:54:51.360 or maybe the

00:54:51.900 lower end of

00:54:52.480 the middle

00:54:52.780 class

00:54:53.180 something like

00:54:53.700 that

00:54:53.940 that additional

00:54:54.780 money has

00:54:55.280 absolutely no

00:54:56.300 effect whatsoever

00:54:57.160 on your

00:54:57.980 self-reported

00:54:59.220 well-being

00:55:00.160 which is

00:55:00.580 something like

00:55:01.040 a combination

00:55:01.580 of positive

00:55:02.420 emotion and

00:55:03.100 absence of

00:55:03.700 negative emotion

00:55:04.480 so you might

00:55:05.880 like to think

00:55:06.480 that you know

00:55:07.000 if you were

00:55:07.480 rich your life

00:55:08.120 would be better

00:55:08.720 and maybe it

00:55:09.560 would be somewhat

00:55:10.120 better but it

00:55:11.240 wouldn't be as

00:55:12.160 much better as

00:55:12.900 you might hope

00:55:13.740 and that's because

00:55:15.060 you'd still have

00:55:15.720 most of the

00:55:16.220 problems that

00:55:16.720 people have

00:55:17.400 you know you

00:55:18.040 still maybe

00:55:18.800 wouldn't get

00:55:19.160 along with your

00:55:19.700 sister and you'd

00:55:20.480 still get divorced

00:55:21.360 and maybe you'd

00:55:22.140 even be more

00:55:22.660 likely to and

00:55:23.420 there'd still be

00:55:24.400 illnesses that

00:55:25.100 would beset you

00:55:25.900 you'd be able to

00:55:26.920 deal with them

00:55:27.760 perhaps with some

00:55:28.560 degree of more

00:55:30.360 urgency

00:55:30.900 but and you'd still

00:55:35.140 have the problem

00:55:35.680 with what the hell

00:55:36.440 your life is for

00:55:37.260 and what you're

00:55:37.700 doing on the

00:55:38.220 planet and how to

00:55:39.020 conduct yourself in

00:55:39.860 the proper way

00:55:40.580 and so so we

00:55:42.140 don't want to be

00:55:42.580 too naive about

00:55:43.480 materialism even

00:55:44.780 though we don't

00:55:45.260 want to be

00:55:45.680 ungrateful for

00:55:46.520 its advantages

00:55:47.180 Marx also believed

00:55:49.120 well I said this

00:55:49.860 already that you

00:55:51.040 know history was

00:55:51.880 basically characterized

00:55:52.820 by the war of

00:55:53.760 socioeconomic groups

00:55:54.940 that's been

00:55:55.460 transformed more

00:55:56.260 recently into the

00:55:58.060 war of identity

00:55:59.280 groups which is

00:56:00.180 the same damn

00:56:00.920 thing and it's

00:56:01.820 the same old wolf

00:56:02.820 in new sheep's

00:56:03.720 clothing as far as

00:56:04.580 I'm concerned that

00:56:05.360 you know the best

00:56:06.280 way to conceptualize

00:56:07.580 human beings is

00:56:08.480 well I don't know

00:56:09.440 whatever your damn

00:56:10.380 identity is maybe

00:56:11.820 it's sex for you

00:56:13.340 and it's ethnicity

00:56:14.340 for you and it's

00:56:15.300 gender for you and

00:56:16.520 God only knows what

00:56:17.820 it is for you and

00:56:18.840 you know and that's

00:56:20.920 who you identify with

00:56:22.140 and all there is in

00:56:23.400 the world and this

00:56:24.180 is the post-modernist

00:56:25.500 view is

00:56:25.980 hierarchies of people

00:56:28.260 in these identity

00:56:29.440 groups struggling

00:56:30.520 for dominion you

00:56:32.140 know and that's a

00:56:32.840 quasi-Marxist

00:56:33.980 viewpoint it's just

00:56:34.860 a variant of the

00:56:36.160 bourgeoisie versus

00:56:37.480 proletariat theory

00:56:39.160 of history which is

00:56:40.160 a foolish theory as

00:56:42.040 far as I'm concerned

00:56:42.920 and certainly not one

00:56:44.020 that we need to take

00:56:44.900 forward into the

00:56:45.700 21st century although

00:56:46.780 we seem you know

00:56:48.040 destined to insist

00:56:50.520 that we do so he

00:56:51.740 believed that the

00:56:53.360 revolutionary overthrow

00:56:54.720 of the oppressor

00:56:55.820 class was necessary

00:56:57.860 and morally demanded

00:56:59.240 and that turns out

00:57:01.260 to be a little

00:57:01.880 bloodier than I

00:57:03.440 would say the

00:57:05.020 typical Christian

00:57:06.060 Judeo-Christian

00:57:07.100 ethic might require

00:57:08.500 because it doesn't

00:57:09.500 require you to take

00:57:10.480 up arms against your

00:57:11.640 evil overlords and

00:57:13.160 well put them in

00:57:14.740 gulags and kill them

00:57:15.760 by the millions for

00:57:16.720 example and that to

00:57:18.040 me seems to be an

00:57:18.800 important difference

00:57:19.640 there's there's no in

00:57:22.340 in the Judeo-Christian

00:57:23.400 tradition there's no

00:57:25.320 guilt there's no

00:57:26.600 group guilt right

00:57:28.640 you're guilty and

00:57:29.840 you're guilty and of

00:57:31.320 different things I

00:57:32.720 presume and and that's

00:57:35.140 your problem but maybe

00:57:36.200 you're also innocent who

00:57:37.600 knows you know but

00:57:38.600 whatever it's on you

00:57:41.200 it's not a consequence of

00:57:43.480 your racial heritage or

00:57:44.660 your ethnicity or your

00:57:45.860 gender any of those

00:57:46.900 things it's it's

00:57:47.860 between you and God

00:57:49.080 let's say it's between

00:57:49.980 you and the state even

00:57:51.080 but at least it's

00:57:51.840 between you and the

00:57:54.120 state or God it's not

00:57:55.840 like well you know your

00:57:57.300 father was a factory

00:57:59.740 owner let's say your

00:58:01.080 grandfather and so it

00:58:02.540 was perfectly reasonable

00:58:03.660 during the Russian

00:58:05.620 revolution and the red

00:58:07.360 terror to vacuum you up

00:58:09.400 along with your whole

00:58:10.200 family and do away with

00:58:11.480 you because you'd been

00:58:12.580 irredeemably tainted by

00:58:14.600 your bourgeoisie past

00:58:16.480 so that's another place

00:58:19.420 where Marxism and

00:58:20.720 Judeo-Christianity are

00:58:22.880 they're not just

00:58:24.200 different like they're

00:58:26.440 opposite you know it's

00:58:28.420 not just variant one

00:58:30.140 and variant two these

00:58:31.300 are like seriously

00:58:32.380 different ideas and so

00:58:34.440 here's another reason you

00:58:36.120 can't be a Marxist and a

00:58:37.480 Christian as if you and

00:58:39.380 then there's the idea

00:58:40.220 that you know that Marx

00:58:42.760 had that religion was the

00:58:44.360 opiate of the masses

00:58:45.700 which doesn't exactly

00:58:47.120 sound like I've always

00:58:48.680 thought religion was the

00:58:49.780 opiate of the masses but

00:58:51.200 communism Marxism was the

00:58:54.360 methamphetamine of the

00:58:57.920 of the masses let's say

00:59:00.260 yeah the meth of the

00:59:02.540 masses we would we had

00:59:04.820 no idea with regards to

00:59:06.060 opiate so here's what Marx

00:59:07.100 has to say about religion

00:59:08.280 the abolition of religion as

00:59:10.660 the illusory happiness of

00:59:12.360 the people is the demand

00:59:14.060 for the real happiness to

00:59:15.900 call on them to give up

00:59:17.260 their illusions about their

00:59:18.860 condition is to call on

00:59:21.340 them to give up a condition

00:59:22.640 that requires illusions it's

00:59:24.440 interesting to me because it's

00:59:25.700 not like the Judeo-Christian

00:59:27.080 story was really a happy one as

00:59:29.900 far as I can tell you know I

00:59:31.540 mean there was heaven but

00:59:32.660 chances you were going to get

00:59:34.200 in man that was low and and

00:59:37.020 and mostly it was fair bit of

00:59:40.200 original sin you know and a

00:59:42.700 fair bit of you wrestling with

00:59:44.540 all of your inadequacies and

00:59:46.440 your proclivity towards

00:59:48.060 malevolence to pick up your

00:59:49.620 cross to bear your suffering

00:59:51.180 to understand that you know

00:59:52.680 there was a war in your soul

00:59:54.440 between the forces of good and

00:59:55.820 evil it's like how that's an

00:59:57.640 opiate is beyond me I mean if I

00:59:59.760 was going to design an opiate

01:00:01.020 that made people feel better I'd

01:00:02.880 certainly dispense with a fair

01:00:04.100 bit of that it's like whatever

01:00:05.760 you do is okay we could start

01:00:07.440 with that there's certainly no

01:00:08.620 hell that's something we're

01:00:10.880 going to get rid of right away

01:00:12.000 a little less guilt and shame

01:00:13.660 would be it could be like a

01:00:14.740 hippie cult in the 1960s you

01:00:16.600 know with a little more

01:00:17.580 marijuana and some free sex

01:00:19.300 something something like that

01:00:20.940 so I don't really understand the

01:00:23.560 illusion idea there is Marx's

01:00:26.760 criticism I suppose of the

01:00:28.060 belief of you know the great

01:00:29.360 the great father in the sky who

01:00:31.500 who who still doesn't seem to me

01:00:34.060 to be that like be sort of still

01:00:37.280 kind of a nightmarish creature

01:00:38.800 all things considered since at

01:00:40.360 least in principle he's keeping

01:00:41.560 track of everything you do even

01:00:43.480 more than you are and that's not

01:00:45.400 such a good thing but whatever so

01:00:47.360 it's a foolish criticism as far as I

01:00:49.740 can tell but doesn't matter he still

01:00:51.800 criticized it the criticism of

01:00:53.740 religion is therefore in embryo the

01:00:55.500 criticism of that veil of tears of

01:00:57.900 which religion is the halo criticism

01:01:00.700 meaning his has plucked the

01:01:03.440 imaginary flowers on the chain not

01:01:05.520 in order that man shall continue to

01:01:07.280 bear that chain without fantasy or

01:01:09.240 consolation but so that he shall

01:01:11.100 throw off the chain and pluck the

01:01:13.520 living flower that's something that

01:01:15.680 plenty of Marxists did I can tell you

01:01:17.780 the criticism of religion

01:01:19.680 disillusions man so that he will

01:01:21.880 think act and fashion his reality like

01:01:25.040 a man who has discarded his illusions

01:01:26.960 and regained his senses so that he

01:01:29.200 will move around himself as his own

01:01:31.940 true son

01:01:32.840 s-u-n yeah well that's that's Marxism in

01:01:37.380 a nutshell all right I mean that's like

01:01:39.320 that's the fundamental definition of

01:01:41.320 pathological narcissism so that he will

01:01:44.880 move around himself as his own true son

01:01:48.000 right religion is only the illusory son

01:01:51.860 which revolves around man as long as he

01:01:53.880 does not revolve around himself and you

01:01:58.160 know generally we don't we use that as

01:01:59.880 an insult he only revolves around

01:02:01.980 himself isn't that an insult and

01:02:03.960 there's no reason for that don't we

01:02:05.820 assume that there's something that you

01:02:07.220 should be revolving around that isn't

01:02:09.340 just yourself you know it's it's it's

01:02:12.540 and it could be many things you know it

01:02:14.540 could be well someone you love that

01:02:16.080 that would be a start could be a child

01:02:17.740 could be your your partner in life it

01:02:20.240 could be it could be your your family

01:02:22.540 in extension could be your community it

01:02:24.940 could be some noble ideal that you're

01:02:26.720 trying to serve should be something

01:02:28.700 other than you as the primary center of

01:02:33.040 the universe around which well you and

01:02:35.500 presumably everything else revolves so I

01:02:38.100 don't really see that as a particularly

01:02:40.040 wise what would you call it philosophy

01:02:43.380 and as it manifested itself in the world

01:02:45.940 you know I would say Stalin probably

01:02:48.740 revolved around himself quite nicely

01:02:50.580 since and don't you think I mean if you

01:02:53.880 had to pick someone who was revolving

01:02:56.400 around himself it would be a pretty

01:02:58.860 decent competition between Mao and

01:03:00.860 Stalin and and and and that didn't seem

01:03:03.780 to be that didn't seem to be for the best

01:03:05.800 so so that's something to consider as

01:03:07.960 well the Marxists believe that religion

01:03:11.420 hindered human development and the

01:03:13.380 Soviets and the Maoists instituted state

01:03:15.620 atheism apart from the worship of their

01:03:18.060 leaders of course and then I'm going to

01:03:20.660 read you a poem by Marx this is a good

01:03:22.660 one I found this a while back god it's a

01:03:26.240 rough poem and you know you want to you

01:03:29.500 want to let your imagination sort of I

01:03:32.380 would say let your imagination loose with

01:03:34.940 with this poem which is what you should

01:03:36.820 do with a poem and imagine the sort of

01:03:39.260 state of mind that you have to be in to

01:03:40.920 write a poem like this and then also

01:03:43.040 imagine as you should that poetry like

01:03:46.080 dreams are the birth it's the birthplace

01:03:48.160 of thought with my undergraduates often

01:03:50.260 especially ones that are really

01:03:51.520 obsessed with ideas they'll often put

01:03:54.580 really bad poetry in their essays and

01:03:57.980 and I'm not saying that in a in a cynical

01:04:00.760 way because bad poetry can have good

01:04:03.500 ideas in it it's hard to write good

01:04:05.420 poetry you know but the thing is often

01:04:08.100 an idea that's extraordinarily emotional

01:04:10.720 in content will manifest itself as a poem

01:04:14.260 before it is able to articulate itself

01:04:16.440 out into a fully expressed philosophy and

01:04:19.080 so I see this with my undergraduates

01:04:21.060 they'll really be obsessed with

01:04:22.520 something that's bothering them then

01:04:23.760 they'll write some poem often about a

01:04:25.640 personal experience and then as I help

01:04:27.720 them shape the essay they kind of unfold

01:04:30.060 the poem into an articulated statement

01:04:32.840 about the structure of reality and so you

01:04:35.460 could say well you know we're all

01:04:37.040 embedded in the dream we know that you

01:04:39.880 go to sleep every night and you dream

01:04:41.840 you're embedded in your imagination if if

01:04:44.160 you're if you're forbidden to dream if

01:04:47.040 you're deprived of your dreams you will

01:04:50.040 lose your mind that's been

01:04:51.940 experimentally demonstrated quite nicely

01:04:54.040 on animals but also on human beings you

01:04:56.540 have to dream you have to enter that that

01:04:59.280 realm of incoherent imagination and

01:05:02.160 possibility in order to maintain your

01:05:03.960 sanity which is extraordinarily interesting

01:05:05.940 and very strange and I would say poetry

01:05:08.220 exists on the border between the dream and

01:05:11.840 the and fully articulate wakefulness it's

01:05:14.420 it's it's it's it's it's the place where

01:05:16.520 the image of the dream meets the meets the

01:05:19.680 meets the meets the articulated speech of

01:05:22.820 full consciousness and so you can think

01:05:25.280 about that with regards to this poem

01:05:26.940 invocation of one in despair

01:05:30.520 so a god has snatched from me all my all

01:05:36.840 in the curse and rack of destiny all his

01:05:42.060 worlds are gone beyond recall nothing but

01:05:45.200 revenge is left to me

01:05:47.720 on myself revenge all proudly wreak on that

01:05:54.900 being that enthroned lord make my strength a

01:05:59.480 patchwork of what's weak leave my better self

01:06:02.640 without reward I shall build my throne high

01:06:08.220 overhead cold tremendous shall its summit be

01:06:13.240 for its bulwark superstitious dread for its

01:06:20.480 marshal blackest agony who looks upon it with a

01:06:27.080 healthy eye shall turn back struck deathly pale and

01:06:31.220 dumb clutched by blind and chill mortality may

01:06:35.820 his happiness prepare its tomb and the almighty's

01:06:41.840 lightning shall rebound from that massive iron

01:06:45.120 giant

01:06:45.760 if he brings my walls and towers down eternity shall raise them up defiant

01:06:56.900 well i would say that's the sort of poem that would be written by someone

01:07:03.100 who revolved around himself as his own true son and i would also say that given what we know about

01:07:12.960 what happened as a consequence of the instantiation of marxist doctrine that this is a truly horrifying piece of literature

01:07:21.700 to contemplate written by the way when marx was rather young

01:07:26.220 so then the question came to me

01:07:29.380 do i believe in god

01:07:31.620 and

01:07:32.720 i don't like that question

01:07:34.960 and people have complained at me a lot and

01:07:38.940 i'm sure they have their reasons because

01:07:40.880 they don't like my answers you know and i

01:07:43.260 i have two answers

01:07:44.460 they've kind of become stock which is not a good thing but

01:07:48.820 but they're the best approximate i can't figure out why i don't like the question exactly

01:07:54.300 i've got three

01:07:55.900 i had three sort of

01:07:58.560 burgeoning hypotheses

01:08:00.460 one was

01:08:01.600 it's none of your damn business

01:08:03.520 that's the first one

01:08:04.860 so it's like a privacy issue

01:08:06.440 like it seemed to me to be a question that was too private to be

01:08:09.440 answered

01:08:10.180 properly

01:08:11.400 and so

01:08:12.500 and you know you could consider that a cop-out

01:08:14.600 maybe it is

01:08:15.480 and then

01:08:16.200 another one was um

01:08:18.580 well what do you mean by believe

01:08:21.080 like do you mean the words

01:08:23.740 do you mean

01:08:24.480 to say the words

01:08:26.080 i believe in god

01:08:27.340 does that indicate that you believe in god

01:08:29.480 like i don't know what you mean by believe exactly

01:08:31.960 because

01:08:32.400 and that's got me in trouble too

01:08:34.560 because you know people think that attempting to clarify the meaning of words

01:08:38.500 is an attempt to escape from the question

01:08:40.420 when it's actually an attempt to specify the question

01:08:42.840 i mean

01:08:43.080 is what you believe what you say

01:08:45.300 or what you act out

01:08:47.360 now you know i would say to some degree it's both

01:08:50.620 but if push comes to shove as far as i'm concerned

01:08:53.340 what you believe is what you act out

01:08:55.420 not what you say

01:08:56.380 and then you know and if you're an integrated person

01:08:58.760 then what you act out and what you say

01:09:00.520 are the same thing

01:09:01.920 and then you're a person whose word can be trusted

01:09:05.260 right

01:09:05.860 because what you say and what you do are isomorphic

01:09:08.840 they're the same thing

01:09:09.800 but belief is instantiated in action

01:09:13.560 so i have also suggested that i act as if i believe in god

01:09:20.360 or to the best of my ability

01:09:22.340 and people aren't very happy with that either

01:09:25.300 but

01:09:25.580 and then the third is that i'm afraid that he might exist

01:09:30.180 which i think is the most comical of the three answers

01:09:32.920 and perhaps the most accurate one

01:09:34.900 but then

01:09:35.720 but then

01:09:37.540 i was thinking about this today

01:09:39.560 when i was thinking about what i might talk to you guys about

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01:09:42.540 let's go into this a little bit more

01:09:44.620 let's say you say you do believe in god

01:09:48.500 say i believe in god

01:09:50.880 it's like

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01:09:59.200 that

01:09:59.540 oversees everything

01:10:01.360 that is fundamentally ethical

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01:12:51.180 welcome to season 2

01:13:00.600 episode 15

01:13:01.680 of the Jordan B. Peterson podcast

01:13:03.300 I'm Michaela Peterson

01:13:04.880 Dr. Peterson's daughter

01:13:06.340 manager

01:13:07.240 favorite child

01:13:08.480 and heir to the Peterson empire

01:13:10.120 believe me

01:13:11.280 it's an empire

01:13:12.220 mostly filled with ideas

01:13:14.080 crazy ideas

01:13:15.240 interesting ideas

01:13:16.220 some that you'll even hear

01:13:17.540 in this episode

01:13:18.200 I'm kidding

01:13:19.080 I'm not his favorite child

01:13:20.160 he has another one

01:13:21.140 who's way less trouble

01:13:21.860 than I am

01:13:22.380 but also not as cute

01:13:23.780 anyway back to reality

01:13:25.200 healing's slow for my mom

01:13:26.940 we're still stressed

01:13:27.980 beyond belief

01:13:28.660 I never knew

01:13:29.780 that you could be stressed

01:13:30.540 into feelings that are

01:13:31.320 similar to actual depression

01:13:32.580 I had inflammatory depression

01:13:34.460 which is hell

01:13:35.480 and I've completely managed

01:13:37.140 with diet

01:13:37.620 but I didn't know

01:13:38.680 that you could actually

01:13:39.320 get stressed into

01:13:40.600 something similar to that

01:13:42.400 not as bad

01:13:43.320 but like different

01:13:44.240 well I knew you could be stressed

01:13:46.120 what else is PTSD right

01:13:48.000 but I didn't really know

01:13:49.540 if you know what I mean

01:13:50.760 so that's a fun conclusion

01:13:52.540 I've come to recently

01:13:53.540 situational depression

01:13:54.840 is very real

01:13:55.720 not as bad as what

01:13:56.720 my food depression was

01:13:57.740 but unpleasant nonetheless

01:13:58.880 fortunately working out

01:14:00.640 seems to help a lot

01:14:01.500 so here's to taking

01:14:02.980 a bad situation

01:14:03.800 and finally growing a booty

01:14:05.040 right

01:14:05.580 this week's episode

01:14:07.740 is the first of a series

01:14:09.100 of two

01:14:09.560 I said three last week

01:14:11.060 but we switched it to two

01:14:12.040 about dad's belief in god

01:14:13.920 and belief in god

01:14:14.960 in general

01:14:15.440 this week's episode

01:14:16.900 is titled

01:14:17.420 who dares say

01:14:18.480 he believes in god

01:14:19.680 it's taken from

01:14:21.080 one of dad's

01:14:21.660 12 rules for life

01:14:22.560 tour talks

01:14:23.220 which was delivered

01:14:24.200 in sydney

01:14:24.780 on february 26 2019

01:14:26.600 at the international

01:14:28.060 convention center

01:14:29.100 hope you enjoy it

01:14:30.360 when we return

01:14:31.640 dad's lecture from sydney

01:14:33.160 titled

01:14:33.680 who dares say

01:14:34.740 he believes in god

01:14:35.860 please welcome

01:14:41.640 my father

01:14:42.120 dr jordan b peterson

01:14:43.480 there for a lobster

01:14:48.400 well thank you very much

01:14:53.020 it's a great pleasure

01:14:54.580 to be here

01:14:55.160 in this massive hall

01:14:56.820 I can't believe

01:14:58.620 that all of you

01:15:00.280 decided

01:15:00.760 that coming to talk

01:15:02.740 about the topics

01:15:03.540 we're going to talk

01:15:04.340 about tonight

01:15:04.940 was the top priority

01:15:06.940 in your life

01:15:07.700 but let's see

01:15:10.540 if we can justify that

01:15:12.960 you know

01:15:14.060 that might be a good

01:15:15.120 that might be a good aim

01:15:16.800 see if we could

01:15:18.040 make it worthwhile

01:15:18.920 so

01:15:20.300 to make your decision

01:15:22.040 correct

01:15:22.540 so

01:15:23.620 you may

01:15:25.340 know

01:15:26.120 or not

01:15:26.960 that

01:15:27.900 I was

01:15:28.720 on a

01:15:29.700 television show

01:15:30.540 last night

01:15:31.180 Q&A

01:15:31.920 apparently you know that

01:15:38.540 some of you

01:15:40.000 anyways

01:15:40.400 I can't say I enjoyed it

01:15:42.760 really

01:15:43.500 really

01:15:45.360 it's funny

01:15:46.020 you know

01:15:46.420 like

01:15:46.740 and I think

01:15:47.600 as I've got

01:15:48.580 farther along

01:15:49.580 in doing

01:15:50.900 whatever it is

01:15:51.620 that I happen

01:15:52.160 to be doing

01:15:52.720 I find those

01:15:54.160 events

01:15:54.820 more and more

01:15:55.600 stressful

01:15:57.200 I don't know

01:15:58.800 exactly what it is

01:15:59.920 I think it's the

01:16:00.980 proclivity

01:16:01.620 of

01:16:02.180 everything

01:16:03.440 everything has to be

01:16:06.120 mangled

01:16:07.740 in some sense

01:16:08.620 into a

01:16:09.240 preset format

01:16:10.520 you know

01:16:11.140 and the

01:16:11.880 fundamental format

01:16:13.020 really is that

01:16:14.320 everything has to be

01:16:15.300 political

01:16:15.860 you know

01:16:17.120 and everything

01:16:18.960 isn't political

01:16:19.820 so

01:16:20.980 that's not

01:16:23.020 helpful

01:16:23.460 when you're

01:16:24.120 trying to discuss

01:16:24.900 things that aren't

01:16:25.740 political

01:16:26.360 and

01:16:27.520 I mean

01:16:28.920 I'm not

01:16:29.240 complaining about it

01:16:30.200 well I suppose

01:16:31.180 I am

01:16:31.680 it's just

01:16:35.060 it's surprising

01:16:35.920 to me

01:16:36.320 how

01:16:36.580 how

01:16:37.800 how much

01:16:40.660 it

01:16:40.820 how much

01:16:41.800 it takes

01:16:42.180 out of me

01:16:42.800 say compared

01:16:43.960 to doing

01:16:44.320 an event

01:16:44.700 like this

01:16:45.320 which

01:16:45.600 I really

01:16:46.360 enjoy doing

01:16:47.480 like I spent a lot

01:16:48.240 of time preparing

01:16:48.960 and there's a lot

01:16:49.980 of you

01:16:50.240 and I really

01:16:50.860 want it to go

01:16:51.380 well and all

01:16:51.960 that but

01:16:52.420 this is

01:16:53.460 this is much

01:16:54.460 less

01:16:54.900 dreadful

01:16:56.440 I guess

01:17:00.460 that's right

01:17:01.080 and

01:17:01.840 you know

01:17:02.780 and then

01:17:03.000 there's the

01:17:03.340 strange

01:17:04.040 constraints

01:17:06.380 on format

01:17:07.160 you know

01:17:07.600 people ask

01:17:08.220 very complex

01:17:08.900 questions

01:17:09.480 and

01:17:10.840 and then

01:17:11.480 you have a

01:17:11.840 minute to

01:17:12.260 answer

01:17:12.680 and you

01:17:13.460 know

01:17:13.580 there's

01:17:13.900 something

01:17:14.260 there's

01:17:15.380 something

01:17:15.700 downright

01:17:16.380 sinful

01:17:16.920 about

01:17:17.360 answering

01:17:17.920 a really

01:17:18.460 complicated

01:17:18.940 question

01:17:19.520 in a

01:17:20.280 minute

01:17:20.540 because

01:17:21.280 it sort

01:17:21.860 of

01:17:21.980 suggests

01:17:22.440 that

01:17:22.760 complex

01:17:23.740 questions

01:17:24.300 have

01:17:24.620 answers

01:17:25.060 that

01:17:25.340 take

01:17:25.660 one

01:17:25.960 minute

01:17:26.380 and

01:17:27.280 they

01:17:27.800 don't

01:17:28.280 they

01:17:29.020 have

01:17:29.220 answers

01:17:29.540 that

01:17:29.780 take

01:17:30.100 God

01:17:31.040 sometimes

01:17:31.420 they

01:17:31.660 take

01:17:31.920 decades

01:17:32.600 and

01:17:33.260 sometimes

01:17:33.500 they

01:17:33.700 take

01:17:33.900 thousands

01:17:34.260 of

01:17:34.540 years

01:17:34.940 you

01:17:35.200 know

01:17:35.420 but

01:17:35.660 of

01:17:35.900 course

01:17:36.040 I

01:17:36.220 can't

01:17:36.420 expect

01:17:36.740 a

01:17:36.900 television

01:17:37.220 show

01:17:37.640 to

01:17:37.840 allow

01:17:38.460 for

01:17:38.720 thousands

01:17:39.160 of

01:17:39.440 years

01:17:39.680 but

01:17:39.960 the

01:17:40.800 format

01:17:41.140 itself

01:17:41.660 works

01:17:42.120 against

01:17:42.660 the

01:17:43.720 kind

01:17:43.940 of

01:17:44.080 thought

01:17:44.320 that's

01:17:44.600 necessary

01:17:45.220 to

01:17:45.500 actually

01:17:45.860 have

01:17:46.180 the

01:17:46.420 discussions

01:17:46.880 that are

01:17:47.360 necessary

01:17:47.860 and

01:17:48.240 so

01:17:49.120 anyways

01:17:50.600 having said

01:17:51.240 all that

01:17:51.800 it went

01:17:53.400 it went

01:17:53.900 it went

01:17:54.420 all right

01:17:54.900 I would

01:17:56.200 say

01:17:56.520 there were

01:17:57.760 no

01:17:58.020 nasty

01:17:58.760 surprises

01:17:59.340 and

01:17:59.800 particularly

01:18:00.580 and

01:18:01.120 it was

01:18:01.700 a civil

01:18:02.100 discussion

01:18:02.680 whether

01:18:04.000 it was

01:18:04.300 a productive

01:18:04.840 discussion

01:18:05.400 or not

01:18:05.860 is a

01:18:06.500 different

01:18:06.740 matter

01:18:07.060 but

01:18:07.300 it

01:18:07.720 wasn't

01:18:08.000 an

01:18:08.140 unproductive

01:18:08.780 discussion

01:18:09.320 and so

01:18:10.000 that's

01:18:10.340 something

01:18:10.700 but

01:18:11.560 there

01:18:11.820 was

01:18:12.120 one

01:18:12.560 question

01:18:13.340 that

01:18:14.180 came

01:18:14.460 up

01:18:14.780 and

01:18:15.540 I

01:18:15.700 thought

01:18:15.900 I

01:18:16.020 would

01:18:16.160 actually

01:18:16.460 start

01:18:16.840 talking

01:18:17.340 about

01:18:17.720 that

01:18:18.060 question

01:18:18.660 tonight

01:18:19.940 because

01:18:20.580 I've

01:18:20.820 never

01:18:21.180 been

01:18:21.440 happy

01:18:21.940 I've

01:18:22.300 been

01:18:22.420 asked

01:18:22.640 this

01:18:22.840 question

01:18:23.180 a

01:18:23.400 lot

01:18:23.700 and

01:18:24.560 I've

01:18:24.860 never

01:18:25.020 been

01:18:25.260 happy

01:18:25.600 with

01:18:25.860 the

01:18:26.020 answer

01:18:26.360 that

01:18:26.620 I've

01:18:26.920 given

01:18:27.160 to

01:18:27.460 it

01:18:27.660 and

01:18:28.060 I've

01:18:28.220 never

01:18:28.380 been

01:18:28.780 able

01:18:28.980 to

01:18:29.180 figure

01:18:30.020 out

01:18:34.320 exactly

01:18:34.840 why

01:18:35.400 I haven't

01:18:35.960 been

01:18:36.120 happy

01:18:36.400 with

01:18:36.640 the

01:18:36.760 question

01:18:37.140 and

01:18:37.860 so

01:18:38.200 I'm

01:18:39.400 going

01:18:39.500 to

01:18:39.600 try

01:18:39.760 to

01:18:39.900 answer

01:18:40.180 it

01:18:40.420 properly

01:18:40.880 tonight

01:18:41.460 and

01:18:42.300 then

01:18:42.460 I'm

01:18:42.720 going

01:18:43.060 to

01:18:43.200 talk

01:18:43.420 more

01:18:43.640 generally

01:18:43.980 about

01:18:44.340 12

01:18:45.220 rules

01:18:45.560 about

01:18:45.840 the

01:18:46.040 book

01:18:46.260 now

01:18:46.900 it's

01:18:47.580 fine

01:18:47.900 this

01:18:48.360 question

01:18:48.800 is

01:18:49.540 directly

01:18:50.200 relevant

01:18:50.640 to the

01:18:51.000 book

01:18:51.200 and so

01:18:51.540 it should

01:18:51.900 make for

01:18:52.700 a good

01:18:53.020 lead-in

01:18:53.440 but

01:18:53.640 but

01:18:53.660 it'll

01:18:53.860 enable

01:18:54.160 us

01:18:54.420 to

01:18:54.600 talk

01:18:55.280 about

01:18:55.540 something

01:18:55.860 that

01:18:56.040 I

01:18:56.200 think

01:18:56.400 is

01:18:56.620 really

01:18:57.340 very

01:18:58.140 much

01:18:58.400 worth

01:18:58.660 talking

01:18:59.100 about

01:18:59.340 and

01:18:59.500 I

01:18:59.620 hope

01:18:59.820 I

01:18:59.980 can

01:19:00.160 formulate

01:19:01.260 the

01:19:01.600 problem

01:19:02.020 properly

01:19:02.800 and

01:19:03.060 then

01:19:03.280 formulate

01:19:04.220 the

01:19:05.500 proper

01:19:05.980 answer

01:19:06.580 at least

01:19:07.580 more

01:19:08.420 coherently

01:19:09.180 than I've

01:19:09.720 managed

01:19:10.100 it's

01:19:10.760 see

01:19:11.500 I

01:19:11.680 have

01:19:11.920 I

01:19:12.200 have

01:19:12.420 this

01:19:12.740 I

01:19:13.220 followed

01:19:13.500 this

01:19:13.780 rule

01:19:14.040 for a

01:19:14.400 very

01:19:14.580 long

01:19:14.820 time

01:19:15.180 which

01:19:15.800 I

01:19:15.940 actually

01:19:16.220 found

01:19:16.600 was

01:19:17.320 a

01:19:17.480 Socratic

01:19:18.000 rule

01:19:18.360 I

01:19:18.960 didn't

01:19:19.160 know

01:19:19.400 this

01:19:19.640 until

01:19:20.020 really

01:19:21.160 quite

01:19:21.460 recently

01:19:21.860 until

01:19:22.160 I

01:19:22.340 wrote

01:19:22.520 12

01:19:22.800 rules

01:19:23.040 for

01:19:23.220 life

01:19:23.460 Socrates

01:19:24.560 said

01:19:25.760 that he

01:19:26.140 had

01:19:26.400 a

01:19:26.680 daemon

01:19:27.740 by which

01:19:29.100 he meant

01:19:29.460 an

01:19:29.620 internal

01:19:30.040 voice

01:19:30.600 and

01:19:31.840 he

01:19:33.300 said

01:19:33.580 that

01:19:33.740 he

01:19:34.240 always

01:19:34.460 listened

01:19:34.780 to

01:19:34.980 it

01:19:35.160 and

01:19:36.020 that

01:19:36.160 was

01:19:36.420 what

01:19:36.580 made

01:19:36.800 him

01:19:36.920 different

01:19:37.220 from

01:19:37.440 other

01:19:37.620 people

01:19:38.000 that

01:19:38.400 he

01:19:38.480 always

01:19:38.720 listened

01:19:39.000 to

01:19:39.120 this

01:19:39.300 voice

01:19:39.600 and

01:19:40.100 the

01:19:40.240 voice

01:19:40.500 didn't

01:19:40.820 tell

01:19:41.040 him

01:19:41.160 what

01:19:41.320 to

01:19:41.520 do

01:19:41.840 it

01:19:42.540 told

01:19:42.720 him

01:19:42.840 what

01:19:43.040 not

01:19:43.560 to

01:19:43.880 do

01:19:44.200 and

01:19:45.400 when

01:19:46.680 the

01:19:46.820 Delphic

01:19:47.180 Oracle

01:19:47.600 proclaimed

01:19:48.420 that

01:19:48.680 Socrates

01:19:50.020 man

01:19:50.380 in

01:19:51.160 Greece

01:19:52.100 in

01:19:53.720 Athens

01:19:54.160 and

01:19:54.940 in

01:19:55.080 Greece

01:19:55.340 one

01:19:56.820 of

01:19:57.000 the

01:19:57.280 reasons

01:19:58.120 Socrates

01:19:58.660 attributed

01:19:59.300 her

01:20:00.040 decision

01:20:00.820 to

01:20:01.140 deem

01:20:01.520 him

01:20:01.840 the

01:20:02.720 wisest

01:20:03.160 man

01:20:03.500 was

01:20:04.080 because

01:20:04.520 well

01:20:05.340 she

01:20:05.520 said

01:20:05.840 he

01:20:06.020 knew

01:20:06.200 he

01:20:06.340 knew

01:20:06.520 nothing

01:20:06.900 but

01:20:07.440 he

01:20:07.600 knew

01:20:07.800 in

01:20:07.980 part

01:20:08.220 that

01:20:08.480 he

01:20:09.620 knew

01:20:09.800 nothing

01:20:10.180 at

01:20:10.400 least

01:20:10.600 in

01:20:10.800 part

01:20:11.000 because

01:20:11.280 he

01:20:11.400 was

01:20:11.540 always

01:20:11.760 listening

01:20:12.100 to

01:20:12.260 the

01:20:12.420 voice

01:20:12.660 of

01:20:12.800 his

01:20:12.980 daemon

01:20:13.400 his

01:20:14.260 internal

01:20:14.680 conscience

01:20:15.160 and

01:20:15.560 then

01:20:15.680 I

01:20:15.800 just

01:20:15.960 found

01:20:16.220 out

01:20:16.360 the

01:20:16.500 other

01:20:16.660 day

01:20:16.900 that

01:20:17.100 the

01:20:17.280 word

01:20:17.480 democracy

01:20:18.180 comes

01:20:19.420 from

01:20:19.680 the

01:20:19.900 same

01:20:20.160 root

01:20:20.600 which

01:20:21.520 is

01:20:21.660 really

01:20:21.900 interesting

01:20:22.500 like

01:20:23.280 I

01:20:23.580 had

01:20:23.900 no

01:20:24.040 idea

01:20:24.260 that

01:20:24.440 that

01:20:24.560 was

01:20:24.700 the

01:20:24.820 case

01:20:25.040 because

01:20:25.340 what

01:20:25.900 it

01:20:26.040 suggests

01:20:26.520 it's

01:20:27.000 so

01:20:27.740 fascinating

01:20:28.360 looking

01:20:28.720 at

01:20:28.940 how

01:20:29.220 words

01:20:30.220 are

01:20:30.600 related

01:20:31.060 to

01:20:31.300 one

01:20:31.480 another

01:20:31.800 historically

01:20:32.740 because

01:20:33.060 you

01:20:33.240 find

01:20:33.600 strange

01:20:34.300 connections

01:20:34.880 between

01:20:35.260 ideas

01:20:35.680 that

01:20:35.880 you

01:20:35.980 would

01:20:36.100 never

01:20:36.320 imagine

01:20:36.800 and

01:20:37.000 sometimes

01:20:37.300 they're

01:20:37.520 unbelievably

01:20:38.100 profound

01:20:38.720 and

01:20:38.940 so

01:20:39.120 the

01:20:40.120 basic

01:20:40.520 what

01:20:41.160 happened

01:20:41.520 historically

01:20:42.260 is

01:20:42.680 that

01:20:42.920 well

01:20:43.400 so

01:20:43.620 there

01:20:44.160 was

01:20:44.300 the

01:20:44.480 concept

01:20:45.000 of

01:20:45.220 the

01:20:45.340 Socratic

01:20:45.760 daemon

01:20:46.160 now

01:20:46.660 it

01:20:46.960 was

01:20:47.080 the

01:20:47.240 daemon

01:20:47.540 that

01:20:47.760 Socrates

01:20:48.160 listened

01:20:48.620 to

01:20:48.920 when

01:20:49.540 he

01:20:49.680 decided

01:20:50.080 that

01:20:50.300 he

01:20:50.420 was

01:20:50.680 not

01:20:51.400 going

01:20:51.640 to

01:20:51.820 run

01:20:52.220 when

01:20:52.840 the

01:20:52.980 Athenians

01:20:53.620 decided

01:20:54.180 that

01:20:54.400 they

01:20:54.520 were

01:20:54.620 going

01:20:54.820 to

01:20:54.960 put

01:20:55.100 him

01:20:55.200 to

01:20:55.360 death

01:20:55.700 the

01:20:56.180 Athenian

01:20:56.800 aristocrats

01:20:57.460 right

01:20:57.660 because

01:20:57.920 they

01:20:58.100 thought

01:20:58.340 that

01:20:58.500 he

01:20:58.600 was

01:20:58.740 corrupting

01:20:59.200 the

01:20:59.340 youth

01:20:59.600 by

01:20:59.880 you

01:21:00.460 know

01:21:00.560 talking

01:21:00.960 to

01:21:01.200 them

01:21:01.420 and

01:21:01.620 telling

01:21:02.080 them

01:21:02.280 the

01:21:02.460 truth

01:21:02.800 and

01:21:03.360 I

01:21:03.700 suppose

01:21:03.980 that's

01:21:04.440 certainly

01:21:04.880 grounds

01:21:05.300 for

01:21:05.500 chasing

01:21:05.860 someone

01:21:06.160 out

01:21:06.380 of

01:21:06.480 your

01:21:06.640 town

01:21:07.000 anyways

01:21:08.500 they

01:21:08.940 gave

01:21:09.120 him

01:21:09.240 plenty

01:21:09.480 of

01:21:09.620 notice

01:21:09.940 because

01:21:10.240 they

01:21:10.420 didn't

01:21:10.640 really

01:21:10.840 want

01:21:11.120 to

01:21:11.320 kill

01:21:11.880 him

01:21:12.000 they

01:21:12.140 just

01:21:12.340 wanted

01:21:12.660 to

01:21:12.940 get

01:21:13.120 the

01:21:13.300 old

01:21:13.540 goat

01:21:13.920 the

01:21:14.140 hell

01:21:14.360 out

01:21:14.920 to

01:21:15.080 some

01:21:15.280 other

01:21:15.480 city

01:21:15.840 where

01:21:16.100 he

01:21:16.260 could

01:21:16.400 cause

01:21:16.660 trouble

01:21:16.960 there

01:21:17.280 and

01:21:18.060 his

01:21:19.400 friends

01:21:19.680 were

01:21:19.940 making

01:21:20.580 plans

01:21:20.960 to

01:21:21.160 scurry

01:21:22.460 him

01:21:22.600 away

01:21:22.880 from

01:21:23.200 Athens

01:21:24.560 and

01:21:25.560 he

01:21:25.680 went

01:21:25.800 out

01:21:25.980 and

01:21:26.160 consulted

01:21:26.540 his

01:21:26.820 daemon

01:21:27.160 and

01:21:27.380 it

01:21:27.540 told

01:21:27.980 him

01:21:28.220 not

01:21:29.060 to

01:21:29.420 leave

01:21:30.000 and

01:21:31.300 that

01:21:31.620 was

01:21:31.760 a

01:21:31.880 shock

01:21:32.480 to

01:21:32.780 Socrates

01:21:33.360 because

01:21:33.820 of course

01:21:34.440 he

01:21:34.580 didn't

01:21:34.800 want

01:21:35.640 to

01:21:35.780 die

01:21:36.160 and

01:21:37.000 but

01:21:37.840 yet

01:21:38.120 he

01:21:38.360 had

01:21:38.520 decided

01:21:38.860 that

01:21:39.060 he

01:21:39.180 was

01:21:39.340 always

01:21:39.540 going

01:21:39.760 to

01:21:40.140 follow

01:21:40.640 the

01:21:40.840 dictates

01:21:41.280 of

01:21:41.440 the

01:21:41.600 daemon

01:21:41.920 and

01:21:42.160 he

01:21:42.800 so

01:21:44.440 he

01:21:44.620 did

01:21:44.860 something

01:21:45.340 that

01:21:45.860 only

01:21:46.100 a

01:21:46.260 philosopher

01:21:46.640 would

01:21:46.960 do

01:21:47.220 was

01:21:47.480 reversed

01:21:48.220 his

01:21:48.520 assumptions

01:21:49.040 he

01:21:49.340 thought

01:21:49.580 oh

01:21:49.720 well

01:21:49.920 I

01:21:50.100 was

01:21:50.260 afraid

01:21:50.560 of

01:21:50.800 dying

01:21:51.220 and

01:21:52.100 my

01:21:52.420 daemon

01:21:52.880 said

01:21:53.320 stick

01:21:54.320 around

01:21:54.720 and

01:21:54.980 so

01:21:55.180 I

01:21:55.400 must

01:21:55.680 be

01:21:55.920 wrong

01:21:56.480 it

01:21:57.040 must

01:21:57.260 be

01:21:57.500 worse

01:21:57.880 to

01:21:58.160 be

01:21:58.500 to

01:21:59.420 risk

01:21:59.940 not

01:22:00.560 following

01:22:01.160 that

01:22:01.460 internal

01:22:01.840 voice

01:22:02.300 than

01:22:02.540 to

01:22:02.720 risk

01:22:03.120 this

01:22:03.620 form

01:22:04.000 of

01:22:04.200 death

01:22:04.620 you

01:22:05.160 know

01:22:05.280 which

01:22:05.460 is

01:22:05.660 a

01:22:07.940 question

01:22:08.500 you

01:22:08.680 have

01:22:08.860 to

01:22:08.960 really

01:22:09.160 wrestle

01:22:09.480 with

01:22:09.740 and

01:22:09.860 one

01:22:10.000 his

01:22:10.160 friends

01:22:10.960 weren't

01:22:11.260 very

01:22:11.480 happy

01:22:11.840 about

01:22:12.120 but

01:22:12.380 in

01:22:12.900 any

01:22:13.060 case

01:22:13.320 he

01:22:13.460 didn't

01:22:13.780 run

01:22:14.080 and

01:22:14.680 we

01:22:14.780 have

01:22:14.940 two

01:22:15.180 good

01:22:15.520 court

01:22:16.340 like

01:22:16.720 documents

01:22:17.500 attesting

01:22:18.320 to

01:22:18.520 that

01:22:18.780 one

01:22:19.360 written

01:22:19.620 by

01:22:19.840 someone

01:22:20.180 named

01:22:20.960 xenophon

01:22:22.200 and

01:22:22.680 the

01:22:22.900 other

01:22:23.060 by

01:22:23.360 Plato

01:22:24.320 they're

01:22:24.900 very

01:22:25.100 interesting

01:22:25.540 documents

01:22:26.060 I

01:22:26.180 would

01:22:26.300 highly

01:22:26.660 recommend

01:22:27.120 reading

01:22:27.380 them

01:22:27.560 they're

01:22:27.740 very

01:22:28.000 short

01:22:28.400 and

01:22:28.600 the

01:22:29.020 reason

01:22:29.400 one

01:22:29.740 of

01:22:29.820 the

01:22:29.920 reasons

01:22:30.120 I

01:22:30.280 would

01:22:30.400 recommend

01:22:30.760 reading

01:22:31.080 them

01:22:31.300 apart

01:22:31.580 from

01:22:31.780 the

01:22:31.900 fact

01:22:32.100 that

01:22:32.260 they're

01:22:32.400 fascinating

01:22:33.000 and

01:22:33.660 short

01:22:34.400 is that

01:22:34.880 you

01:22:35.660 also

01:22:36.080 get

01:22:36.280 the

01:22:36.460 sense

01:22:36.780 from

01:22:37.320 what

01:22:38.900 Socrates

01:22:39.320 wrote

01:22:39.800 that

01:22:40.660 because

01:22:42.120 he had

01:22:42.680 lived

01:22:42.980 his

01:22:43.240 life

01:22:43.600 fully

01:22:44.260 you

01:22:45.240 know

01:22:45.480 no

01:22:46.620 holes

01:22:47.040 barred

01:22:47.440 in

01:22:47.580 some

01:22:47.800 sense

01:22:48.220 that

01:22:48.780 he

01:22:48.900 could

01:22:49.100 let

01:22:49.420 it

01:22:49.580 go

01:22:49.920 when

01:22:50.160 the

01:22:50.300 time

01:22:50.580 came

01:22:51.000 and

01:22:51.920 that's

01:22:52.360 an

01:22:52.480 interesting

01:22:52.900 thing

01:22:53.280 you

01:22:53.440 know

01:22:53.560 because

01:22:53.920 well

01:22:54.760 it's

01:22:54.920 a

01:22:55.040 question

01:22:55.320 I

01:22:55.540 think

01:22:55.700 that

01:22:55.860 we

01:22:56.080 all

01:22:56.340 wrestle

01:22:57.440 with

01:22:57.860 we

01:22:58.280 should

01:22:58.600 is

01:22:58.920 like

01:22:59.140 well

01:22:59.780 is

01:23:00.420 there

01:23:00.580 a

01:23:00.740 purpose

01:23:01.040 to

01:23:01.280 our

01:23:01.460 life

01:23:01.860 and

01:23:02.100 well

01:23:02.320 that's

01:23:02.540 a

01:23:02.640 hard

01:23:02.800 question

01:23:03.260 and

01:23:03.440 then

01:23:03.620 if

01:23:04.400 there

01:23:04.600 is

01:23:04.760 a

01:23:04.900 purpose

01:23:05.240 well

01:23:06.280 how

01:23:06.560 is

01:23:06.760 it

01:23:06.900 expressed

01:23:07.480 and

01:23:08.020 then

01:23:08.220 if

01:23:08.740 there

01:23:08.900 is

01:23:09.040 a

01:23:09.180 purpose

01:23:09.460 and

01:23:09.660 our

01:23:09.820 lives

01:23:10.100 are

01:23:10.260 truncated

01:23:10.920 as

01:23:11.220 they

01:23:11.420 are

01:23:11.660 by

01:23:11.880 death

01:23:12.360 then

01:23:13.040 how

01:23:13.460 can

01:23:13.640 that

01:23:13.800 purpose

01:23:14.140 have

01:23:14.400 significance

01:23:15.080 and

01:23:15.460 those

01:23:15.900 are

01:23:16.000 hard

01:23:16.220 questions

01:23:16.740 but

01:23:17.000 Socrates

01:23:17.700 experience

01:23:18.280 seemed

01:23:18.780 to

01:23:18.960 be

01:23:19.160 that

01:23:19.520 he

01:23:20.160 had

01:23:20.420 lived

01:23:20.920 enough

01:23:21.780 in

01:23:22.760 his

01:23:22.940 life

01:23:23.260 so

01:23:23.540 that

01:23:23.780 when

01:23:24.080 push

01:23:24.380 came

01:23:24.660 to

01:23:24.880 shove

01:23:25.220 which

01:23:25.440 it

01:23:25.620 certainly

01:23:25.900 did

01:23:26.240 he

01:23:26.680 was

01:23:26.840 able

01:23:27.040 to

01:23:27.260 gracefully

01:23:28.060 let

01:23:28.800 it

01:23:28.960 go

01:23:29.380 and

01:23:30.060 that's

01:23:30.580 and

01:23:32.960 you

01:23:33.080 know

01:23:33.180 he

01:23:33.520 attested

01:23:33.960 to

01:23:34.180 that

01:23:34.380 with

01:23:34.560 his

01:23:34.760 death

01:23:35.200 and

01:23:35.920 that's

01:23:36.740 fairly

01:23:37.020 convincing

01:23:37.580 you

01:23:38.040 know

01:23:38.200 that's

01:23:39.160 a

01:23:39.280 fairly

01:23:39.440 convincing

01:23:39.960 argument

01:23:40.460 and

01:23:41.280 it's

01:23:41.580 one

01:23:41.760 that

01:23:41.900 I

01:23:42.020 find

01:23:42.460 well

01:23:43.040 it's

01:23:43.140 hard

01:23:43.280 to

01:23:43.420 tell

01:23:43.760 if

01:23:43.900 I

01:23:44.020 find

01:23:44.220 it

01:23:44.320 exactly

01:23:44.740 credible

01:23:45.340 but

01:23:46.040 I

01:23:46.300 don't

01:23:46.520 find

01:23:46.760 it

01:23:46.880 incredible

01:23:47.400 I

01:23:47.760 mean

01:23:47.940 I

01:23:48.500 certainly

01:23:48.940 have

01:23:49.320 noticed

01:23:49.660 that

01:23:49.900 as

01:23:50.120 I

01:23:50.240 got

01:23:50.520 older

01:23:50.940 and

01:23:52.020 have

01:23:52.180 done

01:23:52.520 things

01:23:53.140 various

01:23:53.620 I

01:23:54.400 what

01:23:56.280 would

01:23:56.460 you

01:23:56.580 say

01:23:56.840 accomplished

01:23:58.700 isn't

01:23:59.020 exactly

01:23:59.440 the right

01:23:59.760 word

01:23:59.940 I

01:24:00.060 participated

01:24:00.720 in

01:24:01.160 many

01:24:01.380 things

01:24:01.800 that

01:24:02.520 I'm

01:24:03.100 pleased

01:24:03.460 to

01:24:03.660 have

01:24:03.860 participated

01:24:04.440 in

01:24:04.900 them

01:24:05.100 but

01:24:05.780 wouldn't

01:24:06.220 necessarily

01:24:06.860 go back

01:24:07.600 and participate

01:24:08.280 in them

01:24:08.740 again

01:24:09.100 it's

01:24:09.740 sort

01:24:09.900 of

01:24:10.200 as

01:24:10.680 if

01:24:10.980 when

01:24:11.760 you

01:24:11.900 do

01:24:12.080 something

01:24:12.500 and

01:24:12.900 you

01:24:13.080 finish

01:24:14.120 it

01:24:14.420 it's

01:24:15.380 as

01:24:15.500 if

01:24:15.680 it's

01:24:15.900 done

01:24:16.320 you

01:24:16.700 don't

01:24:16.900 have

01:24:17.180 to

01:24:17.340 do

01:24:17.480 it

01:24:17.600 again

01:24:17.880 and

01:24:18.120 maybe

01:24:18.680 it's

01:24:19.000 possible

01:24:19.500 who

01:24:20.000 knows

01:24:20.380 that

01:24:20.600 if

01:24:21.400 you

01:24:21.680 finish

01:24:22.580 your

01:24:22.880 life

01:24:23.400 whatever

01:24:24.680 that

01:24:24.980 might

01:24:25.220 mean

01:24:25.500 if

01:24:25.680 you

01:24:25.840 exhaust

01:24:26.520 your

01:24:26.880 life

01:24:27.380 then

01:24:28.120 then

01:24:29.420 that's

01:24:29.720 enough

01:24:30.000 life

01:24:30.480 you know

01:24:31.080 that

01:24:31.500 you've

01:24:32.200 had

01:24:32.420 enough

01:24:32.840 and

01:24:33.960 I

01:24:34.580 mean

01:24:34.660 that

01:24:34.840 doesn't

01:24:35.080 mean

01:24:35.240 that

01:24:35.400 I

01:24:35.600 try

01:24:36.200 not

01:24:36.440 to

01:24:36.580 keep

01:24:36.740 myself

01:24:37.160 healthy

01:24:37.580 and

01:24:37.780 that

01:24:37.900 I

01:24:38.000 want

01:24:38.180 to

01:24:38.300 die

01:24:38.480 tomorrow

01:24:38.860 it

01:24:39.060 doesn't

01:24:39.200 mean

01:24:39.340 any

01:24:39.540 of

01:24:39.700 that

01:24:39.900 I'm

01:24:40.120 trying

01:24:40.520 to

01:24:40.700 stick

01:24:40.980 around

01:24:41.380 as

01:24:41.900 long

01:24:42.120 as

01:24:42.280 I

01:24:42.400 can

01:24:42.800 but

01:24:43.400 but

01:24:44.180 but

01:24:44.540 there's

01:24:44.780 still

01:24:45.040 that

01:24:45.380 curiosity

01:24:47.020 about

01:24:47.800 the

01:24:49.040 relationship

01:24:49.520 between

01:24:49.960 life

01:24:50.260 and

01:24:50.420 mortality

01:24:50.840 and

01:24:51.300 the

01:24:52.180 possibility

01:24:52.760 that

01:24:53.200 a

01:24:53.840 life

01:24:54.100 well

01:24:54.440 lived

01:24:54.960 exhausts

01:24:56.740 itself

01:24:57.420 in

01:24:57.740 some

01:24:58.100 fundamental

01:24:59.200 sense

01:24:59.780 so

01:25:00.420 that

01:25:00.600 you

01:25:00.760 can

01:25:00.920 be

01:25:01.280 satisfied

01:25:03.000 let's

01:25:03.520 say

01:25:03.760 with

01:25:04.520 what

01:25:05.480 you

01:25:05.780 were

01:25:07.980 there

01:25:09.180 is

01:25:09.380 some

01:25:09.580 psychological

01:25:10.180 evidence

01:25:10.780 that

01:25:11.040 bears

01:25:11.340 on

01:25:11.620 this

01:25:11.860 if

01:25:12.560 you

01:25:12.700 ask

01:25:13.100 people

01:25:13.460 what

01:25:13.760 they

01:25:13.980 regret

01:25:14.740 especially

01:25:16.880 as they

01:25:17.360 get

01:25:17.520 older

01:25:17.840 what

01:25:18.760 they

01:25:18.960 generally

01:25:19.400 report

01:25:19.820 is

01:25:20.080 things

01:25:20.720 not

01:25:21.300 done

01:25:22.040 so

01:25:23.160 they

01:25:23.320 don't

01:25:23.600 regret

01:25:23.980 so

01:25:24.220 much

01:25:24.420 mistakes

01:25:24.920 they've

01:25:25.260 made

01:25:25.440 although

01:25:25.700 of course

01:25:26.120 people

01:25:26.440 obviously

01:25:26.940 regret

01:25:27.360 mistakes

01:25:27.800 they've

01:25:28.100 made

01:25:28.280 as

01:25:28.460 well

01:25:28.680 so

01:25:29.200 they

01:25:29.300 don't

01:25:30.200 exactly

01:25:30.820 regret

01:25:32.160 sins

01:25:32.640 of

01:25:32.860 commission

01:25:33.520 right

01:25:34.320 errors

01:25:34.820 that

01:25:35.020 they've

01:25:35.260 actively

01:25:35.640 made

01:25:36.020 they

01:25:36.660 miss

01:25:37.440 they

01:25:37.980 torment

01:25:41.480 themselves

01:25:42.300 for

01:25:43.300 opportunities

01:25:44.060 that had

01:25:44.680 presented

01:25:45.280 themselves

01:25:45.940 that they

01:25:46.920 did not

01:25:48.060 let's say

01:25:49.200 exploit

01:25:49.840 or engage

01:25:50.560 in

01:25:50.820 and I

01:25:52.120 think that's

01:25:52.540 worth thinking

01:25:53.020 about too

01:25:53.560 because

01:25:53.920 one thing

01:25:55.780 that I have

01:25:56.600 become convinced

01:25:57.420 about

01:25:58.180 with regards

01:25:59.200 to human

01:25:59.700 consciousness

01:26:00.420 which I

01:26:02.480 think is

01:26:03.000 equivalent

01:26:03.440 to the

01:26:04.020 spark of

01:26:04.680 divinity

01:26:05.180 in some

01:26:05.860 sense

01:26:06.260 that

01:26:06.500 our

01:26:07.200 fundamental

01:26:07.880 stories

01:26:08.460 insist

01:26:09.060 has been

01:26:09.580 placed

01:26:10.060 within

01:26:10.780 us

01:26:11.080 is that

01:26:11.520 human

01:26:12.360 consciousness

01:26:12.960 is that

01:26:13.660 faculty

01:26:14.300 that

01:26:14.920 confronts

01:26:15.580 potential

01:26:16.200 itself

01:26:16.940 I think

01:26:17.620 there's

01:26:17.820 good

01:26:18.000 neurological

01:26:18.560 evidence

01:26:19.160 for this

01:26:19.540 by the

01:26:19.840 way

01:26:19.980 for those

01:26:20.340 of you

01:26:20.600 who are

01:26:20.880 scientifically

01:26:21.420 minded

01:26:21.960 because

01:26:22.400 we build

01:26:24.340 circuits

01:26:26.080 within

01:26:27.040 us

01:26:27.480 for habitual

01:26:28.580 action

01:26:29.340 that we've

01:26:30.120 practiced

01:26:30.520 many times

01:26:31.400 that seem

01:26:32.140 to run

01:26:32.580 in a very

01:26:33.060 deterministic

01:26:33.960 fashion

01:26:34.600 and we

01:26:35.560 are a strange

01:26:36.060 combination

01:26:36.680 of deterministic

01:26:37.640 and non

01:26:38.060 deterministic

01:26:38.720 as far as

01:26:39.200 I can tell

01:26:39.660 but what

01:26:40.540 our consciousness

01:26:41.220 seems to be

01:26:42.040 for is to

01:26:43.160 encounter those

01:26:44.380 things that we

01:26:45.320 have not yet

01:26:46.200 encountered

01:26:46.900 and those

01:26:48.120 things that we

01:26:48.760 have not yet

01:26:49.420 encountered

01:26:49.900 seem to me

01:26:51.060 to be those

01:26:52.000 things that have

01:26:52.740 not yet been

01:26:53.620 brought into

01:26:54.440 being

01:26:55.000 and so you

01:26:55.880 could say

01:26:56.260 that what our

01:26:56.840 consciousness

01:26:57.340 is for

01:26:58.060 is for

01:26:59.380 the encounter

01:27:00.100 with potential

01:27:01.000 you know

01:27:01.720 that our

01:27:02.620 consciousness

01:27:03.100 is for the

01:27:03.860 it's not for

01:27:04.840 the past

01:27:05.460 it's not even

01:27:06.080 for the present

01:27:06.860 it's to

01:27:08.160 transform the

01:27:09.280 future into

01:27:09.880 the present

01:27:10.460 and really

01:27:11.520 that that's

01:27:11.980 what our

01:27:12.260 consciousness

01:27:12.680 does

01:27:13.180 when you

01:27:13.520 wake up

01:27:13.880 in the

01:27:14.080 morning

01:27:14.280 you have

01:27:14.580 a new

01:27:14.860 day ahead

01:27:15.400 of you

01:27:15.740 and the

01:27:16.340 day could

01:27:16.720 take you

01:27:17.080 in very

01:27:17.620 many

01:27:17.900 directions

01:27:18.440 and the

01:27:19.880 weeks

01:27:20.200 and the

01:27:20.480 years

01:27:20.800 all of that

01:27:21.320 can take

01:27:21.720 you in

01:27:21.940 very many

01:27:22.300 directions

01:27:22.680 and you

01:27:23.040 have some

01:27:23.380 apprehension

01:27:24.060 about what

01:27:24.780 those

01:27:25.020 directions

01:27:25.460 might be

01:27:26.060 you have

01:27:26.840 some apprehension

01:27:27.640 about

01:27:28.060 what role

01:27:29.400 your choices

01:27:30.300 might make

01:27:32.440 in transforming

01:27:34.080 that potential

01:27:34.940 into one

01:27:35.680 form of

01:27:36.340 actuality

01:27:37.480 or another

01:27:38.320 I mean you

01:27:38.860 certainly know

01:27:39.460 that there are

01:27:40.000 dreadful mistakes

01:27:41.380 that you might

01:27:42.100 be very tempted

01:27:43.200 to make

01:27:43.800 that would

01:27:44.320 produce all

01:27:44.860 manner of

01:27:45.440 hell around

01:27:46.100 you

01:27:46.420 and still

01:27:47.200 be tempted

01:27:47.700 to do it

01:27:48.280 it seems

01:27:49.000 like it's

01:27:49.520 sitting there

01:27:50.000 right in

01:27:50.340 front of you

01:27:50.780 as a

01:27:51.080 possibility

01:27:51.620 you also

01:27:52.600 know that

01:27:53.140 you know

01:27:53.620 you could

01:27:54.020 haul yourself

01:27:55.160 up out of

01:27:55.780 bed

01:27:56.040 and attend

01:27:56.560 to your

01:27:56.920 duties

01:27:57.260 and do

01:27:57.640 the sorts

01:27:58.040 of things

01:27:58.360 that you're

01:27:58.660 supposed to

01:27:59.160 and set

01:27:59.820 a few

01:28:00.160 things

01:28:00.560 right that

01:28:01.240 day

01:28:01.600 and that

01:28:02.280 week

01:28:02.620 and that

01:28:02.940 likely

01:28:03.940 things would

01:28:05.060 at least

01:28:05.460 not be

01:28:06.120 worse

01:28:06.720 and they

01:28:07.460 would probably

01:28:08.100 be better

01:28:08.840 and I

01:28:10.300 believe that

01:28:11.320 I do believe

01:28:12.200 that I don't

01:28:13.240 understand how

01:28:14.140 this can be

01:28:14.760 the case

01:28:15.420 I don't

01:28:15.800 understand

01:28:16.320 how it is

01:28:17.560 that consciousness

01:28:18.300 consciousness can

01:28:19.460 function in

01:28:20.000 that way

01:28:20.380 because I think

01:28:21.340 to understand

01:28:21.920 that we would

01:28:23.220 have to

01:28:23.540 understand

01:28:24.060 what it

01:28:25.080 means for

01:28:25.780 the future

01:28:26.380 to be

01:28:26.880 only potential

01:28:28.380 rather than

01:28:29.220 actuality

01:28:30.080 and who

01:28:30.960 the hell

01:28:31.420 understands

01:28:32.080 that

01:28:32.560 I mean

01:28:33.080 no one

01:28:33.700 and then

01:28:34.380 we'd have to

01:28:34.900 understand how

01:28:35.700 it is that

01:28:36.280 our conscious

01:28:37.020 choices and

01:28:37.920 our conscious

01:28:38.460 ethical choices

01:28:39.400 transform that

01:28:41.280 potentiality

01:28:42.220 into actuality

01:28:44.520 into reality

01:28:45.360 into the present

01:28:46.220 and the past

01:28:47.060 and we

01:28:47.920 certainly

01:28:48.340 well we

01:28:49.500 certainly act

01:28:50.160 as if we

01:28:50.700 believe that

01:28:51.400 that's what

01:28:51.960 we do

01:28:52.540 we upbraid

01:28:53.540 ourselves

01:28:54.040 for example

01:28:54.800 when we do

01:28:55.700 a bad job

01:28:56.480 of it

01:28:56.780 we're upset

01:28:57.340 with our

01:28:57.840 children

01:28:58.240 and those

01:28:58.720 we love

01:28:59.240 if we don't

01:28:59.940 believe that

01:29:00.440 they're living

01:29:00.880 up to their

01:29:01.360 potential

01:29:01.900 we're guilty

01:29:03.020 and ashamed

01:29:03.620 when we make

01:29:04.300 choices that

01:29:05.360 we feel are

01:29:05.940 inappropriate

01:29:06.420 we understand

01:29:07.580 to some degree

01:29:08.560 that the manner

01:29:09.600 in which time

01:29:10.780 lays itself out

01:29:12.140 has something

01:29:13.080 to do with

01:29:14.040 the ethics

01:29:14.640 of our choice

01:29:15.560 and again

01:29:16.740 I would say

01:29:17.280 that's a very

01:29:17.820 deep idea

01:29:18.560 I think it's

01:29:19.760 I think it's

01:29:20.980 I think it's

01:29:21.940 the most

01:29:22.500 true idea

01:29:23.360 I know

01:29:24.000 that's very

01:29:25.320 emphasized

01:29:26.720 that idea

01:29:27.620 emphasized in

01:29:28.600 ancient religious

01:29:30.180 stories such as

01:29:31.160 those that are

01:29:31.660 outlined in

01:29:32.260 Genesis

01:29:32.700 or in Genesis

01:29:33.600 with strange

01:29:34.560 insistence

01:29:35.360 that you know

01:29:36.480 God is that

01:29:37.440 which brings

01:29:39.280 order out of

01:29:40.320 chaos

01:29:40.980 formless potential

01:29:42.400 generates the

01:29:43.820 world out of

01:29:44.500 formless potential

01:29:45.340 and that we're

01:29:46.120 somehow made

01:29:46.840 in that image

01:29:47.600 which seems to

01:29:49.280 me to be

01:29:49.760 the case

01:29:50.680 and that the

01:29:51.400 proper way

01:29:51.960 by the way

01:29:52.420 to go about

01:29:53.100 acting in that

01:29:55.340 image

01:29:55.680 is to

01:29:56.840 act

01:29:57.660 in relationship

01:29:58.940 to the potential

01:30:00.060 that confronts

01:30:01.400 you

01:30:01.580 with truth

01:30:02.880 and with

01:30:03.740 courage

01:30:04.420 with careful

01:30:05.420 articulation

01:30:06.400 that's the logos

01:30:07.620 and that if you

01:30:08.740 do that

01:30:09.320 then what you

01:30:09.900 bring forth

01:30:10.500 is good

01:30:11.780 so

01:30:12.920 anyways

01:30:13.840 those are all

01:30:14.440 background ideas

01:30:15.540 that are

01:30:16.380 associated with

01:30:17.320 twelve rules

01:30:17.860 for life

01:30:18.280 and they have

01:30:18.660 a bearing

01:30:19.020 on this

01:30:19.440 question

01:30:19.920 that I want

01:30:20.920 to answer

01:30:22.020 tonight

01:30:22.400 and so I'm

01:30:23.000 going to sit

01:30:23.500 I have some

01:30:24.360 notes which I

01:30:25.120 don't usually

01:30:25.720 use but I'm

01:30:27.440 going to use

01:30:27.820 them tonight

01:30:28.280 because I

01:30:29.240 haven't got

01:30:30.080 everything about

01:30:31.400 this particular

01:30:32.220 notion memorized

01:30:33.880 in some sense

01:30:35.060 yet because I'm

01:30:36.280 still working it

01:30:37.140 out but that

01:30:38.600 should work out

01:30:39.200 okay so we'll

01:30:40.780 see we'll see

01:30:42.360 what happens

01:30:42.960 so yeah

01:30:47.620 yeah well

01:30:48.360 good so

01:30:48.940 windows work

01:30:49.660 that's always

01:30:50.180 good

01:30:50.480 I've seen it

01:30:51.880 not work

01:30:52.440 sometimes when

01:30:53.260 Bill Gates

01:30:53.840 demonstrates it

01:30:54.740 and that's

01:30:55.660 that's got to

01:30:57.020 be very

01:30:57.440 very embarrassing

01:30:58.640 although I

01:30:59.840 would say

01:31:00.200 you know

01:31:00.460 all things

01:31:00.960 considered

01:31:01.360 he seems

01:31:01.840 to have

01:31:02.140 done quite

01:31:02.640 well

01:31:03.000 all right

01:31:05.920 so

01:31:06.220 here's

01:31:07.620 here's the

01:31:11.220 question that

01:31:12.780 came up last

01:31:13.500 night and

01:31:14.260 this is a

01:31:14.900 strange question

01:31:15.620 for what's

01:31:16.280 essentially a

01:31:17.220 political show

01:31:18.000 near the end

01:31:19.660 a gentleman

01:31:21.020 on videotape

01:31:22.640 came up and

01:31:23.340 and he

01:31:23.980 discussed the

01:31:25.400 topic of

01:31:26.140 human dignity

01:31:27.540 not it's not

01:31:29.640 a topic you

01:31:30.280 hear a lot

01:31:30.800 about there's

01:31:31.460 a lot of

01:31:31.960 topics that

01:31:33.000 are sort of

01:31:33.460 related to

01:31:34.060 human beings

01:31:34.800 that you

01:31:35.060 don't hear a

01:31:35.580 lot about

01:31:35.960 anymore

01:31:36.360 you don't

01:31:37.460 hear a lot

01:31:37.900 about nobility

01:31:38.880 you don't

01:31:40.380 hear a lot

01:31:41.460 about

01:31:41.820 endurance

01:31:43.420 let's say

01:31:44.360 stalwartness

01:31:46.060 courage

01:31:46.760 dignity

01:31:47.960 those aren't

01:31:49.220 values

01:31:49.960 that

01:31:50.640 we

01:31:52.240 discuss

01:31:53.420 much

01:31:54.280 responsibility

01:31:55.780 being another

01:31:56.640 one which

01:31:57.100 is one I'm

01:31:57.740 quite thrilled

01:31:58.720 about all

01:31:59.320 things considered

01:32:00.060 because I

01:32:01.680 think it's

01:32:02.080 the pathway

01:32:02.600 to meaning

01:32:03.100 itself

01:32:03.680 but so

01:32:05.040 his was

01:32:05.680 the topic

01:32:06.160 of human

01:32:06.580 dignity

01:32:06.980 and he

01:32:08.000 asked us

01:32:08.740 a question

01:32:09.380 do you

01:32:10.660 believe in

01:32:11.160 God

01:32:11.580 and then he

01:32:13.080 said as a

01:32:13.540 catholic I

01:32:14.120 don't see any

01:32:14.720 other way that

01:32:15.700 we can have a

01:32:16.260 universe with

01:32:16.920 dignity and so

01:32:17.840 I'm not so

01:32:18.760 concerned about

01:32:19.460 the second part

01:32:20.240 of his

01:32:20.680 commentary although

01:32:21.760 I might get to

01:32:22.440 that but the

01:32:23.460 first part

01:32:24.060 do you believe

01:32:24.820 in God

01:32:25.340 is a question

01:32:26.380 that's been

01:32:27.020 leveled at me

01:32:28.260 many times

01:32:30.300 times and

01:32:31.620 I'm going

01:32:32.880 to

01:32:33.220 there's

01:32:33.620 some other

01:32:33.920 people on

01:32:34.380 the panel

01:32:34.780 and I'm

01:32:35.560 going to

01:32:35.860 just review

01:32:36.440 what they

01:32:37.040 said

01:32:37.520 briefly

01:32:38.220 and then

01:32:39.180 I'm going

01:32:39.560 to talk

01:32:40.220 about what

01:32:41.160 I said

01:32:41.680 and then

01:32:42.060 I'm going

01:32:42.420 to fix

01:32:42.900 what I

01:32:43.340 said

01:32:43.680 I hope

01:32:44.680 so that

01:32:45.500 it's better

01:32:46.220 at least

01:32:47.200 that's the

01:32:47.760 plan

01:32:48.280 so

01:32:49.820 Terry

01:32:50.920 Butler

01:32:51.320 who was

01:32:52.080 a labor

01:32:52.480 frontbencher

01:32:54.200 said

01:32:54.520 I'm

01:32:54.880 agnostic

01:32:55.400 people are

01:32:56.400 inherently

01:32:56.960 valuable

01:32:57.620 because they

01:32:58.900 are people

01:32:59.620 and

01:33:01.240 no

01:33:03.420 that doesn't

01:33:04.780 work out

01:33:05.300 it's one of

01:33:06.960 those one

01:33:07.460 minute answers

01:33:08.260 except it's

01:33:08.880 actually only

01:33:09.460 ten seconds

01:33:10.240 because you

01:33:11.140 can make the

01:33:12.780 opposite argument

01:33:13.600 and people do

01:33:14.340 all the time

01:33:15.040 you know

01:33:15.320 like the

01:33:15.700 club of

01:33:16.100 Rome

01:33:16.360 for example

01:33:17.080 which was

01:33:18.680 an organization

01:33:19.480 in Rome

01:33:20.660 logically

01:33:21.720 enough

01:33:22.160 formed in

01:33:24.640 the 60s

01:33:25.300 was very much

01:33:25.940 concerned about

01:33:26.700 the terribly

01:33:27.700 detrimental effect

01:33:28.900 that human beings

01:33:29.900 were having

01:33:30.380 on the planet

01:33:31.440 and I believe

01:33:32.280 it was one of

01:33:33.260 the club of

01:33:33.760 Rome members

01:33:34.400 who coined

01:33:35.120 the idea

01:33:35.800 and if it

01:33:36.720 wasn't

01:33:37.060 it was someone

01:33:37.600 who was thinking

01:33:38.260 exactly the same

01:33:39.280 way

01:33:39.540 so works out

01:33:40.620 either way

01:33:41.120 that human

01:33:41.980 beings were

01:33:42.560 something

01:33:43.040 approximating

01:33:43.900 a cancer

01:33:44.540 on the planet

01:33:45.360 you know

01:33:46.040 because of all

01:33:46.560 the terrible

01:33:47.000 things we were

01:33:47.680 doing ecologically

01:33:48.580 and so forth

01:33:49.340 that was back

01:33:49.940 when people

01:33:50.380 believed we

01:33:50.940 were going to

01:33:51.500 overpopulate

01:33:53.000 the planet

01:33:54.840 to such a degree

01:33:55.720 by the year

01:33:56.260 2000

01:33:56.780 that there would

01:33:57.440 be widespread

01:33:58.840 privation

01:33:59.960 and starvation

01:34:01.040 which by the

01:34:02.500 way

01:34:02.740 if you haven't

01:34:04.280 noticed

01:34:04.680 there isn't

01:34:06.260 and you know

01:34:09.300 if you look

01:34:10.140 at the terrible

01:34:10.720 things that people

01:34:11.460 do apart from

01:34:12.320 the despoiling

01:34:13.480 of the natural

01:34:14.300 environment

01:34:14.840 let's say

01:34:15.460 there's all the

01:34:16.480 you know

01:34:17.480 malevolence

01:34:18.500 that's associated

01:34:19.380 with human

01:34:20.020 interactions

01:34:20.680 and also

01:34:21.800 human social

01:34:22.560 systems

01:34:23.180 and it

01:34:24.840 isn't so

01:34:25.360 obvious as a

01:34:26.220 consequence of

01:34:26.920 that that you

01:34:27.400 can make a

01:34:27.900 straightforward

01:34:28.280 case that

01:34:29.080 human beings

01:34:30.040 are inherently

01:34:30.700 valuable merely

01:34:31.620 because they're

01:34:32.260 human beings

01:34:32.940 because you

01:34:33.480 can make an

01:34:34.200 equally logical

01:34:35.640 case from

01:34:36.600 first principles

01:34:37.420 that they're

01:34:38.360 inherently

01:34:38.920 well destructive

01:34:40.260 or that they

01:34:41.320 should be

01:34:41.940 perhaps

01:34:43.420 limited in

01:34:44.960 their ability

01:34:45.560 to procreate

01:34:46.680 or that they

01:34:47.760 are a catastrophe

01:34:49.080 for the planet

01:34:49.960 as a whole

01:34:50.700 or that our

01:34:51.820 entire history

01:34:52.640 is nothing

01:34:53.540 but a sequence

01:34:55.020 of what would

01:34:56.560 you call

01:34:56.880 unrequited

01:34:57.680 malevolence

01:34:58.500 and that people

01:34:59.240 generally can't

01:35:00.040 be trusted

01:35:00.620 so I don't

01:35:02.120 find that answer

01:35:02.940 particularly

01:35:03.500 satisfying

01:35:04.640 I think it's a

01:35:05.560 it's a

01:35:07.580 it's just

01:35:09.800 self-referential

01:35:10.860 people are

01:35:11.660 inherently

01:35:12.080 valuable because

01:35:12.940 they are people

01:35:13.640 it's like well

01:35:14.480 you don't really

01:35:15.660 get anywhere

01:35:16.260 with an answer

01:35:16.940 like that

01:35:17.500 so she's

01:35:19.800 agnostic

01:35:20.340 and then

01:35:21.140 but then she

01:35:22.380 has this idea

01:35:23.420 despite her

01:35:24.360 agnosticism

01:35:25.140 that you can

01:35:26.240 make the

01:35:26.880 case

01:35:27.560 a priori

01:35:28.640 with nothing

01:35:29.680 buttressing it

01:35:30.740 that people

01:35:31.480 are somehow

01:35:32.060 inherently valuable

01:35:33.140 and it seems

01:35:33.760 to me that

01:35:34.240 that requires

01:35:34.980 a little more

01:35:36.480 depth and a

01:35:37.220 little more

01:35:37.540 explanation for

01:35:38.480 it to actually

01:35:38.980 be convincing

01:35:39.700 you know it's

01:35:40.640 like it's not

01:35:41.200 obvious to me

01:35:41.940 that people

01:35:42.480 themselves think

01:35:43.360 that they're

01:35:43.760 valuable all

01:35:44.800 the time

01:35:45.280 often they don't

01:35:46.100 think that at

01:35:46.680 all they don't

01:35:47.300 certainly don't

01:35:47.780 think that often

01:35:48.940 when they're

01:35:49.380 depressed

01:35:49.920 they certainly

01:35:50.680 don't think

01:35:51.180 that when

01:35:51.540 they're suicidal

01:35:52.340 they don't

01:35:53.000 really think

01:35:53.480 that when

01:35:53.900 they're ashamed

01:35:54.820 or guilty

01:35:55.400 or frustrated

01:35:56.100 or disappointed

01:35:56.980 or angry

01:35:57.680 or waking

01:35:58.540 up at three

01:35:59.100 in the morning

01:35:59.580 and tormenting

01:36:00.680 themselves

01:36:01.100 with their

01:36:01.540 consciences

01:36:02.260 they don't

01:36:03.040 necessarily

01:36:03.500 think that

01:36:04.040 when they're

01:36:04.340 fighting with

01:36:04.820 their family

01:36:05.360 or when

01:36:05.720 they're upset

01:36:06.280 at work

01:36:06.840 or you know

01:36:07.740 when things

01:36:08.160 go wrong

01:36:08.660 in life

01:36:09.220 and so

01:36:10.200 it's not

01:36:11.620 so bloody

01:36:12.300 obvious that

01:36:13.200 people are

01:36:14.020 inherently

01:36:14.520 valuable

01:36:15.100 and then you

01:36:16.400 might also

01:36:16.880 notice that

01:36:17.520 it's kind

01:36:18.020 of easy

01:36:18.320 to think

01:36:18.780 that some

01:36:19.180 people are

01:36:19.620 more valuable

01:36:20.200 than others

01:36:20.780 sort of like

01:36:21.620 an animal

01:36:22.040 farm you know

01:36:22.660 where the

01:36:23.080 animals were

01:36:23.580 all equal

01:36:24.020 except that

01:36:24.640 some animals

01:36:25.200 were more

01:36:25.600 equal than

01:36:26.060 others

01:36:26.380 but it's

01:36:28.240 very easy

01:36:28.760 for human

01:36:29.240 beings to

01:36:29.720 think that

01:36:30.160 about other

01:36:30.600 human beings

01:36:31.260 because no

01:36:32.280 matter where

01:36:32.720 you look

01:36:33.340 in human

01:36:34.180 societies

01:36:34.700 there are rank

01:36:35.480 orders of

01:36:36.140 value right

01:36:36.920 in any hierarchy

01:36:38.700 that we produce

01:36:39.640 that's associated

01:36:40.700 with some

01:36:41.540 ability

01:36:42.060 we find that

01:36:43.020 some people

01:36:43.560 are so much

01:36:44.840 better at

01:36:45.520 whatever it is

01:36:46.200 that they're

01:36:46.540 doing

01:36:46.820 that it's

01:36:47.240 an absolute

01:36:47.880 miracle

01:36:48.640 and most

01:36:49.520 people are

01:36:50.060 absolutely

01:36:50.740 dreadful

01:36:51.500 at it

01:36:51.980 and so

01:36:52.780 you know

01:36:53.340 if you were

01:36:54.080 thinking about

01:36:54.820 inherent value

01:36:55.760 as something

01:36:56.300 associated

01:36:56.980 with

01:36:57.260 an approximation

01:36:59.700 of skill

01:37:00.560 or competence

01:37:01.280 then it wouldn't

01:37:02.300 be obvious

01:37:02.900 from the structure

01:37:03.660 of the world

01:37:04.160 that people

01:37:04.640 were inherently

01:37:05.340 valuable in that

01:37:06.300 manner either

01:37:06.880 because there's

01:37:07.460 such a rank

01:37:08.020 order difference

01:37:08.760 in our ability

01:37:09.640 to do things

01:37:10.440 you know

01:37:10.920 and you might

01:37:11.260 say well

01:37:11.580 that kind of

01:37:12.060 averages out

01:37:12.880 across things

01:37:14.260 but I don't

01:37:15.220 think that's

01:37:15.640 a very strong

01:37:16.220 argument either

01:37:16.920 so it's not

01:37:18.680 it's bloody well

01:37:19.720 not obvious

01:37:20.380 I'll tell you

01:37:21.040 it's not obvious

01:37:21.920 where this idea

01:37:23.100 that people

01:37:23.640 are inherently

01:37:24.320 valuable

01:37:24.920 came from

01:37:25.580 that's a tough

01:37:26.540 one

01:37:26.820 you know

01:37:27.620 and in

01:37:28.460 aristocratic

01:37:31.020 states

01:37:31.800 or

01:37:32.280 tyrannical states

01:37:34.200 it's certainly

01:37:35.120 not obvious

01:37:35.820 at all

01:37:36.320 that there's

01:37:37.180 any acceptance

01:37:37.940 of the notion

01:37:39.400 that people

01:37:39.920 are inherently

01:37:40.880 valuable

01:37:41.440 it's like

01:37:42.080 there's no

01:37:42.900 necessary

01:37:43.580 presumption

01:37:44.240 of innocence

01:37:45.040 for example

01:37:45.960 and you

01:37:46.660 don't have

01:37:47.100 any sovereign

01:37:48.000 right to

01:37:49.160 your own

01:37:49.620 destiny

01:37:50.200 like you're

01:37:50.780 not granted

01:37:51.720 the rights

01:37:53.020 not granted

01:37:54.000 because that's

01:37:54.500 the wrong way

01:37:54.920 of thinking

01:37:55.260 about it

01:37:55.720 your rights

01:37:57.140 as a sovereign

01:37:58.060 individual

01:37:58.780 who has

01:38:00.280 the responsibility

01:38:01.200 and the

01:38:01.920 capability

01:38:02.460 to determine

01:38:03.500 the destiny

01:38:04.620 of the state

01:38:05.420 itself

01:38:06.000 don't exist

01:38:07.200 that doesn't

01:38:07.680 exist as a

01:38:08.360 concept

01:38:08.760 and so I

01:38:09.460 don't see

01:38:09.800 that there's

01:38:10.260 anything there

01:38:11.420 that speaks

01:38:12.000 of inherent

01:38:12.560 value either

01:38:13.340 so it's

01:38:14.120 by no means

01:38:14.900 an obvious

01:38:15.640 concept

01:38:16.340 in fact I

01:38:17.100 think it's

01:38:17.480 one of the

01:38:17.940 least obvious

01:38:18.840 concepts that

01:38:19.680 human beings

01:38:20.260 have ever

01:38:20.900 come up with

01:38:21.720 that each of

01:38:22.640 us in some

01:38:23.660 strange manner

01:38:24.720 is to be

01:38:27.580 attributed

01:38:28.140 some divine

01:38:29.680 spark let's

01:38:30.680 say that makes

01:38:31.260 us equal

01:38:32.080 in some

01:38:32.940 fundamental way

01:38:34.140 before God

01:38:35.060 you know before

01:38:35.700 the reality of

01:38:36.600 the universe

01:38:37.020 itself

01:38:37.500 even in

01:38:38.780 relationship to

01:38:39.720 our own

01:38:40.200 laws

01:38:40.760 I mean if

01:38:42.620 you want a

01:38:43.100 miracle for

01:38:43.840 an idea

01:38:44.320 that's

01:38:44.820 that's I

01:38:46.020 can't think

01:38:46.520 of one that's

01:38:47.680 that's more

01:38:48.380 unlikely than

01:38:49.700 that so I've

01:38:51.200 been puzzling

01:38:51.820 over that for a

01:38:52.500 very long time

01:38:53.220 because I cannot

01:38:53.980 understand why

01:38:55.000 in the world

01:38:55.580 that idea ever

01:38:56.980 came to be or

01:38:57.780 how in the world

01:38:58.800 we ever agreed

01:39:00.120 to act as if

01:39:01.700 it was true

01:39:02.400 it's really

01:39:03.400 something and

01:39:04.160 we should let

01:39:04.980 that go with

01:39:06.020 we let that

01:39:06.820 idea go to

01:39:08.080 our great

01:39:08.700 peril

01:39:09.100 it's a

01:39:09.820 fundamental

01:39:10.560 remarkable

01:39:11.360 fundamental

01:39:12.060 idea

01:39:12.560 and what's so

01:39:13.520 interesting about

01:39:14.220 it too is that

01:39:14.940 once you have

01:39:15.980 that idea

01:39:16.540 weird as it

01:39:17.860 is and

01:39:18.440 improbable as

01:39:19.360 it is and

01:39:20.240 you start to

01:39:20.960 organize your

01:39:22.080 social relationships

01:39:24.200 in accordance

01:39:25.200 with it

01:39:25.800 well then they

01:39:26.620 work

01:39:27.140 you know so

01:39:28.680 my rule too

01:39:30.280 is treat

01:39:31.100 yourself as if

01:39:31.880 you're someone

01:39:32.480 responsible for

01:39:33.500 helping and it's

01:39:34.260 sort of predicated

01:39:35.000 on the idea

01:39:35.660 that regardless

01:39:36.660 of your

01:39:37.260 inadequacies and

01:39:38.840 your malevolence

01:39:39.640 which you know

01:39:40.740 I'm sure you have

01:39:41.560 many inadequacies

01:39:42.680 and no shortage

01:39:43.820 of malevolence

01:39:44.660 just like everyone

01:39:45.540 else regardless

01:39:46.700 of that you have

01:39:48.020 a moral obligation

01:39:49.680 so that would be

01:39:50.580 a responsibility

01:39:51.340 to assume that

01:39:53.200 despite all evidence

01:39:54.920 that there's actually

01:39:55.920 something of

01:39:57.220 intrinsic worth

01:39:58.140 about you and

01:39:58.880 that as a

01:39:59.380 consequence you're

01:40:00.340 duty bound

01:40:01.580 to treat yourself

01:40:03.340 like that

01:40:04.260 is true

01:40:05.600 and then it

01:40:07.140 turns out that

01:40:07.760 if you do

01:40:08.240 that

01:40:08.640 well then your

01:40:10.080 life gets

01:40:11.280 better

01:40:11.680 and I don't

01:40:13.420 mean happier

01:40:14.240 exactly

01:40:14.840 although I

01:40:15.480 would say

01:40:15.920 it gets

01:40:16.500 happier

01:40:16.920 I mean it

01:40:17.740 gets richer

01:40:18.360 and more

01:40:18.740 meaningful

01:40:19.200 and deeper

01:40:19.820 and more

01:40:21.080 worthwhile

01:40:21.580 and you

01:40:22.860 become more

01:40:23.400 educated

01:40:23.920 and you

01:40:24.300 become wiser

01:40:25.060 and you

01:40:26.420 treat yourself

01:40:27.040 with more

01:40:27.440 respect

01:40:27.820 and you're

01:40:28.260 a better

01:40:28.560 model for

01:40:29.120 other people

01:40:29.640 and you're

01:40:30.020 a better

01:40:30.260 father

01:40:30.700 or better

01:40:31.480 sister

01:40:31.980 better

01:40:32.700 mother

01:40:33.140 whatever

01:40:34.000 it happens

01:40:34.960 to be

01:40:35.420 and you're

01:40:37.240 less ridden

01:40:38.640 by that guilt

01:40:39.680 that gnaws

01:40:41.000 at you

01:40:41.500 and shame

01:40:42.260 that's there

01:40:43.520 otherwise

01:40:44.300 saying

01:40:45.000 you're not

01:40:45.920 what you

01:40:46.320 could be

01:40:46.780 you're not

01:40:47.240 what you

01:40:47.640 could be

01:40:48.080 and that's

01:40:48.720 a hell of

01:40:49.100 a voice

01:40:49.480 to get rid

01:40:50.760 of

01:40:50.920 and it's

01:40:51.260 certainly

01:40:51.520 not one

01:40:52.060 that's easy

01:40:52.520 to ignore

01:40:53.200 so that's

01:40:54.760 a pretty good

01:40:55.300 that idea

01:40:57.120 that there's

01:40:57.620 something divine

01:40:58.800 let's say

01:40:59.300 that resides

01:40:59.900 within you

01:41:00.480 of ultimate

01:41:01.120 worth

01:41:01.620 even as a

01:41:04.060 philosophical

01:41:04.580 statement

01:41:05.160 or a

01:41:05.500 psychological

01:41:05.940 statement

01:41:06.460 rather than

01:41:06.980 a metaphysical

01:41:07.640 statement

01:41:08.120 it seems

01:41:09.020 to be a

01:41:09.460 precondition

01:41:10.180 for establishing

01:41:11.120 properly

01:41:12.260 harmonious

01:41:12.960 relationships

01:41:13.560 with yourself

01:41:14.360 and that's

01:41:15.420 that's man

01:41:16.420 that's worth

01:41:16.920 thinking about

01:41:17.460 a lot

01:41:17.940 you know

01:41:18.320 that you

01:41:18.600 have

01:41:18.980 because you

01:41:19.560 think

01:41:19.840 you could

01:41:20.600 think

01:41:20.920 that in

01:41:21.300 some sense

01:41:21.920 you just

01:41:22.320 own yourself

01:41:23.360 you know

01:41:23.880 because people

01:41:24.700 do kind of

01:41:25.360 make that

01:41:25.780 claim

01:41:26.140 especially

01:41:26.560 when they're

01:41:26.960 trying to

01:41:27.320 justify

01:41:27.740 for example

01:41:28.340 their right

01:41:28.780 to suicide

01:41:29.400 that you

01:41:30.560 know

01:41:30.660 it's your

01:41:31.520 life

01:41:31.860 it's your

01:41:32.240 body

01:41:32.680 you're yours

01:41:33.920 to do

01:41:34.280 what you

01:41:34.840 will with

01:41:35.620 and if

01:41:36.960 that was

01:41:37.340 true

01:41:37.680 well then

01:41:38.100 it would

01:41:38.580 seem to

01:41:38.920 me that

01:41:39.200 life would

01:41:39.680 be a lot

01:41:40.200 more

01:41:40.500 straightforward

01:41:40.940 because you

01:41:41.700 would just

01:41:42.080 tell yourself

01:41:43.240 things that

01:41:43.880 you would

01:41:44.180 instantly

01:41:44.680 obey and

01:41:45.940 believe

01:41:46.260 so first

01:41:47.060 of all

01:41:47.360 you'd tell

01:41:48.160 yourself all

01:41:48.760 the things

01:41:49.160 that you

01:41:49.400 were going

01:41:49.660 to do

01:41:49.940 and then

01:41:50.200 you'd just

01:41:50.560 run off

01:41:51.080 and do

01:41:51.400 them

01:41:51.620 which you

01:41:52.560 don't

01:41:53.200 obviously

01:41:53.980 because it's

01:41:54.980 much more

01:41:55.400 difficult than

01:41:55.960 that and

01:41:56.500 then you'd

01:41:56.800 also say

01:41:57.340 well enough

01:41:58.160 of the guilt

01:41:58.740 and the shame

01:41:59.400 and the negative

01:41:59.940 emotion

01:42:00.480 and the

01:42:00.860 disillusionment

01:42:01.680 and the

01:42:01.960 vengefulness

01:42:02.440 and all

01:42:03.160 those things

01:42:03.660 that make

01:42:04.160 life hard

01:42:05.220 the self

01:42:06.660 recrimination

01:42:07.200 it's like

01:42:07.920 what the hell

01:42:08.560 do we need

01:42:09.000 that for

01:42:09.680 and if we're

01:42:10.760 our masters

01:42:11.660 of our own

01:42:12.260 destiny

01:42:12.680 and owners

01:42:13.380 of our own

01:42:14.040 fate

01:42:14.500 then why

01:42:15.340 can't we

01:42:15.800 just command

01:42:16.640 to ourselves

01:42:17.780 that that

01:42:18.820 be dispensed

01:42:20.500 with

01:42:20.900 and like

01:42:21.980 that doesn't

01:42:22.580 work

01:42:22.980 I've never

01:42:23.900 seen anybody

01:42:24.460 able to

01:42:24.980 do that

01:42:25.500 so

01:42:26.280 I mean

01:42:27.040 you can

01:42:27.340 fool yourself

01:42:27.980 for very

01:42:28.400 brief periods

01:42:28.980 of time

01:42:29.360 into thinking

01:42:29.860 that that

01:42:30.240 might work

01:42:30.800 but

01:42:31.020 but it

01:42:32.600 doesn't work

01:42:33.220 and that's

01:42:34.080 strange

01:42:34.460 and this

01:42:35.100 is one of

01:42:35.400 the reasons

01:42:35.680 I love

01:42:36.080 the psychoanalysts

01:42:37.140 because they

01:42:37.700 were really

01:42:38.040 the people

01:42:38.540 apart from

01:42:39.440 the religious

01:42:40.060 types

01:42:40.440 who figured

01:42:40.900 out that

01:42:41.400 whatever

01:42:42.360 you are

01:42:43.140 you're not

01:42:44.540 a unitary

01:42:45.320 spirit

01:42:46.000 that's under

01:42:46.980 your own

01:42:47.500 dominion

01:42:48.160 you know

01:42:48.920 you're something

01:42:49.920 like a loose

01:42:50.880 unity

01:42:51.820 of a multiplicity

01:42:53.520 of spirits

01:42:54.180 many of which

01:42:54.940 are doing

01:42:55.340 their own

01:42:55.860 thing

01:42:56.240 which you're

01:42:56.800 striving to

01:42:57.480 bring into

01:42:57.920 some form

01:42:58.520 of unity

01:42:59.060 but even

01:43:00.100 that unity

01:43:00.760 isn't something

01:43:01.440 that's under

01:43:02.100 your control

01:43:03.020 in any real

01:43:03.740 sense

01:43:04.180 it's a unity

01:43:05.380 that has

01:43:05.880 its own

01:43:06.380 nature

01:43:06.920 that you

01:43:07.620 have to

01:43:07.960 exist

01:43:08.380 in relationship

01:43:09.200 to

01:43:09.620 and I

01:43:10.200 would also

01:43:10.580 say that

01:43:11.080 that's one

01:43:11.600 of the

01:43:11.820 things

01:43:12.080 that keeps

01:43:12.640 people's

01:43:14.020 feet firmly

01:43:14.720 on the

01:43:15.100 ground

01:43:15.440 because otherwise

01:43:16.160 it's easy

01:43:16.920 to become

01:43:17.400 egotistical

01:43:18.120 and narcissistic

01:43:19.120 you know

01:43:19.380 if you think

01:43:20.180 that you're

01:43:21.040 the center

01:43:21.740 of your

01:43:22.260 own

01:43:22.600 being

01:43:23.200 you know

01:43:24.060 in some

01:43:24.460 fundamental

01:43:25.060 sense

01:43:25.580 then you're

01:43:26.040 only

01:43:26.460 what you're

01:43:27.640 only beholden

01:43:28.660 to yourself

01:43:29.420 you're sort

01:43:29.980 of a

01:43:30.240 self-created

01:43:31.080 creature

01:43:31.720 perhaps you

01:43:32.680 could think

01:43:32.980 about it

01:43:33.300 that way

01:43:33.780 but it

01:43:34.920 doesn't work

01:43:35.460 like that

01:43:35.960 it's like

01:43:36.400 the ideal

01:43:37.620 that constitutes

01:43:39.140 the unity

01:43:39.860 that you

01:43:40.400 might become

01:43:41.320 then sort

01:43:42.600 of manifests

01:43:43.360 itself as

01:43:44.140 something that

01:43:44.680 you could

01:43:45.060 strive toward

01:43:46.600 but aren't

01:43:47.920 and it

01:43:48.920 also serves

01:43:50.380 as a judge

01:43:51.160 it's the

01:43:51.880 thing that

01:43:52.300 keeps you

01:43:52.720 up at night

01:43:53.220 saying

01:43:53.640 you know

01:43:54.580 there's some

01:43:55.080 things you're

01:43:55.540 just not

01:43:55.940 attending to

01:43:56.680 and you

01:43:57.360 should get

01:43:57.700 at it

01:43:58.100 because life

01:43:59.240 is short

01:43:59.740 and there's

01:44:00.780 no shortage

01:44:01.640 of trouble

01:44:02.160 that you

01:44:02.560 might end

01:44:03.020 up in

01:44:03.400 and a

01:44:04.040 wise person

01:44:04.920 would attend

01:44:05.600 to the

01:44:06.360 dictates

01:44:06.900 of his

01:44:07.380 conscience

01:44:07.840 and lay

01:44:09.780 out his

01:44:10.900 actions in

01:44:11.580 the world

01:44:12.020 according to

01:44:12.980 what he knows

01:44:13.640 to be true

01:44:14.720 and correct

01:44:15.400 and that

01:44:17.640 is how

01:44:18.080 people think

01:44:18.980 and it

01:44:19.680 isn't obvious

01:44:20.720 that we

01:44:22.100 why we

01:44:23.020 think that

01:44:23.580 way

01:44:23.760 this is part

01:44:24.560 of the reason

01:44:25.020 that it

01:44:25.360 seems to me

01:44:25.880 so obvious

01:44:26.500 that we

01:44:26.920 have a

01:44:27.240 religious

01:44:27.540 instinct

01:44:28.160 because I

01:44:28.940 can't think

01:44:29.420 of what

01:44:30.260 else you

01:44:30.740 would possibly

01:44:31.460 call that

01:44:32.160 other than

01:44:32.560 a religious

01:44:32.940 instinct

01:44:33.440 you know

01:44:33.780 Nietzsche

01:44:34.580 when he

01:44:35.020 proclaimed

01:44:35.560 the death

01:44:36.140 of God

01:44:36.820 which by

01:44:37.920 the way

01:44:38.220 was no

01:44:38.840 triumphant

01:44:39.880 proclamation

01:44:40.680 because he

01:44:41.520 also mentioned

01:44:42.280 that we

01:44:43.000 would never

01:44:43.460 find enough

01:44:44.100 water to

01:44:44.680 wash away

01:44:45.180 the blood

01:44:45.740 which was

01:44:46.280 his what

01:44:47.620 would you

01:44:47.880 call it

01:44:48.260 prognostication

01:44:49.200 for the

01:44:49.660 20th century

01:44:50.500 and a very

01:44:51.500 accurate one

01:44:52.160 at that

01:44:52.540 he believed

01:44:53.420 that we

01:44:53.740 would in

01:44:54.240 some sense

01:44:54.720 have to

01:44:55.080 become as

01:44:55.960 gods

01:44:56.600 in ourselves

01:44:59.320 in order to

01:45:00.640 replace what

01:45:01.540 we had lost

01:45:02.320 he thought

01:45:02.980 that the

01:45:03.500 collapse of

01:45:04.260 the Judeo

01:45:05.120 Christian

01:45:05.460 structure

01:45:06.320 would be

01:45:06.820 absolutely

01:45:07.360 catastrophic

01:45:08.040 for the

01:45:08.700 West

01:45:08.980 and I

01:45:09.600 believe that

01:45:10.100 he was

01:45:10.380 correct

01:45:10.780 and that

01:45:11.400 the way

01:45:11.700 out of that

01:45:12.180 would be

01:45:12.500 that we'd

01:45:12.960 have to

01:45:13.300 create our

01:45:13.900 own values

01:45:14.680 we'd have

01:45:15.420 to take

01:45:15.960 the place

01:45:16.680 of what

01:45:17.140 was once

01:45:17.880 let's say

01:45:18.840 externalized

01:45:19.900 and divine

01:45:20.620 onto ourselves

01:45:21.940 and you know

01:45:24.340 it's a hell

01:45:24.800 of a theory

01:45:25.380 and it's not

01:45:28.280 and Nietzsche

01:45:28.820 is not an easy

01:45:29.600 person to

01:45:30.180 criticize

01:45:30.540 because you

01:45:31.940 have to do

01:45:32.800 a lot of

01:45:33.260 reading before

01:45:33.920 you find

01:45:34.420 someone who's

01:45:35.060 one-tenth

01:45:35.660 as smart

01:45:36.180 as Nietzsche

01:45:36.740 he has

01:45:37.760 he has

01:45:37.780 this funny

01:45:38.280 line

01:45:39.380 about his

01:45:39.920 books

01:45:40.320 it's really

01:45:41.040 quite comical

01:45:41.900 he said

01:45:42.420 it takes

01:45:44.640 most writers

01:45:45.380 a whole book

01:45:45.980 to write

01:45:46.460 what I can

01:45:47.300 write in a

01:45:47.780 sentence

01:45:48.260 then he said

01:45:50.780 no they can't

01:45:52.040 even manage

01:45:52.640 it in a

01:45:53.060 book

01:45:53.320 and that's

01:45:54.840 actually true

01:45:55.540 I mean

01:45:55.920 if you read

01:45:56.760 Nietzsche

01:45:57.080 Beyond Good

01:45:57.680 and Evil

01:45:58.000 for example

01:45:58.580 you see

01:45:59.020 that

01:45:59.300 that

01:45:59.520 his thought

01:46:02.400 is so

01:46:02.740 powerful

01:46:03.160 that it's

01:46:03.620 really

01:46:03.840 a kind

01:46:05.880 of miracle

01:46:06.340 what the

01:46:07.560 psychoanalysts

01:46:08.380 realized

01:46:08.780 though

01:46:09.040 this was

01:46:09.640 particularly

01:46:10.400 Jung's

01:46:11.220 contribution

01:46:11.880 I would

01:46:12.280 say

01:46:12.480 Carl Jung's

01:46:13.120 contribution

01:46:13.580 he was a

01:46:13.980 great student

01:46:14.540 of Nietzsche

01:46:15.040 a real

01:46:15.700 admirer

01:46:16.280 of Nietzsche

01:46:16.700 and really

01:46:17.420 someone who

01:46:18.000 was trying

01:46:18.400 to solve

01:46:19.120 the problem

01:46:19.920 that Nietzsche

01:46:20.560 had put

01:46:20.960 forward

01:46:21.400 which was

01:46:21.860 well

01:46:22.480 our underlying

01:46:23.680 metaphysics

01:46:24.600 our religious

01:46:25.800 structure

01:46:26.280 had collapsed

01:46:27.140 and that

01:46:28.020 was the

01:46:28.380 story

01:46:28.860 upon which

01:46:29.520 our entire

01:46:30.340 culture

01:46:30.840 was based

01:46:31.540 for better

01:46:32.020 or worse

01:46:32.500 it had

01:46:32.820 collapsed

01:46:33.380 and we

01:46:34.400 needed to

01:46:35.160 do something

01:46:35.760 about that

01:46:36.380 and we

01:46:36.900 were doing

01:46:37.340 various things

01:46:38.140 we were

01:46:38.480 turning to

01:46:38.980 fascism

01:46:39.620 let's say

01:46:40.180 or we

01:46:40.720 were turning

01:46:41.080 to communism

01:46:41.880 both

01:46:43.260 ideological

01:46:45.760 replacements

01:46:46.560 for more

01:46:47.120 fundamental

01:46:47.660 religious

01:46:48.140 beliefs

01:46:48.600 but that

01:46:51.040 Nietzsche's

01:46:51.580 suggestion

01:46:52.160 that we

01:46:52.520 turn to

01:46:52.900 ourselves

01:46:53.400 to extract

01:46:54.340 out our

01:46:54.760 own values

01:46:55.440 to create

01:46:56.660 our own

01:46:57.140 values

01:46:57.540 let me

01:46:57.940 let me

01:46:58.260 be more

01:46:58.860 accurate

01:46:59.160 about that

01:46:59.660 happened

01:47:00.620 to be

01:47:01.060 untrue

01:47:01.680 because

01:47:02.140 we

01:47:02.940 weren't

01:47:03.420 the sort

01:47:03.840 of creatures

01:47:04.320 who were

01:47:04.760 actually

01:47:05.140 capable

01:47:05.620 of doing

01:47:06.160 that

01:47:06.520 and that's

01:47:08.080 a

01:47:08.220 it's such

01:47:08.900 what's one

01:47:09.420 of the

01:47:09.580 reasons I

01:47:09.960 love Jung

01:47:10.580 and his

01:47:11.020 biological

01:47:11.800 take in

01:47:13.460 some sense

01:47:14.020 towards human

01:47:14.620 beings

01:47:14.940 because

01:47:15.280 Jung

01:47:16.060 firmly

01:47:16.680 believed

01:47:17.180 and I

01:47:17.820 think all

01:47:18.320 of the

01:47:18.600 evidence

01:47:18.940 supports

01:47:19.480 him

01:47:19.760 believed

01:47:21.260 that human

01:47:21.700 beings

01:47:22.000 actually had

01:47:22.500 a nature

01:47:23.220 that we

01:47:24.540 weren't

01:47:25.540 merely

01:47:26.260 social

01:47:27.240 constructions

01:47:28.220 which we

01:47:28.660 certainly

01:47:29.080 aren't

01:47:29.860 despite what

01:47:30.620 the social

01:47:31.020 constructionists

01:47:31.940 insist upon

01:47:33.440 forcing us

01:47:35.500 to think

01:47:35.960 increasingly

01:47:36.640 through

01:47:37.120 legislative

01:47:37.720 means

01:47:38.240 and that

01:47:39.260 we had to

01:47:40.100 wrestle with

01:47:40.880 what it was

01:47:42.320 that we

01:47:42.720 were

01:47:43.160 even though

01:47:44.120 we're our

01:47:44.480 own creatures

01:47:45.540 in some

01:47:46.040 sense

01:47:46.340 we also have

01:47:46.980 to wrestle

01:47:47.380 with our

01:47:47.860 intrinsic

01:47:48.340 nature

01:47:48.940 and we

01:47:50.500 know about

01:47:50.960 the nature

01:47:52.880 part of that

01:47:53.600 more and

01:47:54.040 more

01:47:54.240 I mean

01:47:54.480 we know

01:47:55.240 more about

01:47:56.200 our

01:47:56.400 neurocircuitry

01:47:57.280 for example

01:47:57.840 we know

01:47:58.220 that there's

01:47:58.880 a circuit

01:47:59.440 for rage

01:48:00.200 and there's

01:48:00.540 a circuit

01:48:01.000 for fear

01:48:01.640 and there's

01:48:02.120 a biological

01:48:03.320 system

01:48:04.080 for jealousy

01:48:04.840 and there's

01:48:05.300 a system

01:48:05.880 for altruism

01:48:06.760 and there's

01:48:07.080 a circuit

01:48:07.540 for play

01:48:08.180 and there's

01:48:08.560 another one

01:48:09.140 for pleasure

01:48:09.760 and there's

01:48:10.480 a complex

01:48:11.160 circuit

01:48:11.540 for negative

01:48:12.080 emotion

01:48:12.600 pain

01:48:13.460 and anxiety

01:48:14.260 and frustration

01:48:15.040 and disappointment

01:48:15.800 and guilt

01:48:16.280 and shame

01:48:16.860 and we know

01:48:17.680 that human

01:48:18.160 beings

01:48:18.560 share that

01:48:19.800 motivational

01:48:21.280 structure

01:48:22.020 not only

01:48:22.600 with all

01:48:23.140 other human

01:48:23.700 beings

01:48:24.060 but with

01:48:24.560 certainly

01:48:25.420 with all

01:48:25.900 mammals

01:48:26.300 and almost

01:48:27.220 all animals

01:48:28.140 and so

01:48:28.960 that biological

01:48:30.200 component of

01:48:31.380 us is

01:48:31.940 unbelievably

01:48:32.580 deep

01:48:33.220 right

01:48:33.480 it's

01:48:34.560 tens of

01:48:35.760 millions

01:48:36.120 hundreds

01:48:36.640 of millions

01:48:37.300 and even

01:48:38.080 billions

01:48:41.080 of years

01:48:41.760 old

01:48:42.120 I read

01:48:42.780 an interesting

01:48:43.360 paper just

01:48:44.040 the other

01:48:44.380 day

01:48:44.620 you know

01:48:44.960 I tend

01:48:45.300 to talk

01:48:45.680 about

01:48:45.880 lobsters

01:48:46.380 more than

01:48:46.800 the average

01:48:47.220 person

01:48:47.680 and

01:48:48.520 one of

01:48:49.780 the points

01:48:50.120 I made

01:48:50.500 in 12

01:48:50.880 rules

01:48:51.140 for life

01:48:51.580 was that

01:48:52.080 our

01:48:52.820 neurochemistry

01:48:53.620 at least

01:48:54.480 some of

01:48:54.840 it is

01:48:55.080 so similar

01:48:55.800 it's been

01:48:56.220 conserved

01:48:56.960 so completely

01:48:58.000 throughout

01:48:58.460 the immense

01:48:59.860 duration

01:49:00.460 of evolution

01:49:01.540 hundreds

01:49:02.020 of millions

01:49:02.520 of years

01:49:03.000 that

01:49:03.820 lobsters

01:49:05.200 like human

01:49:05.860 beings

01:49:06.340 appear to

01:49:07.120 become

01:49:07.540 the lobster

01:49:08.800 equivalent

01:49:09.380 of depressed

01:49:09.960 if they

01:49:10.700 suffer a

01:49:11.440 hierarchy

01:49:11.960 defeat

01:49:12.540 and

01:49:13.040 and

01:49:13.060 if

01:49:13.280 you

01:49:13.420 give

01:49:13.720 them

01:49:14.000 chemicals

01:49:15.000 that

01:49:15.320 are

01:49:15.480 roughly

01:49:15.920 analogous

01:49:16.620 to

01:49:16.840 human

01:49:17.240 antidepressants

01:49:18.180 it perks

01:49:18.660 them right

01:49:19.080 back up

01:49:19.720 their posture

01:49:20.640 improves

01:49:21.160 and they'll

01:49:21.480 go off

01:49:21.900 and fight

01:49:22.420 and you

01:49:23.140 know

01:49:23.220 when I first

01:49:23.720 discovered

01:49:24.140 that

01:49:24.420 it just

01:49:24.780 well

01:49:25.120 it just

01:49:25.520 blew me

01:49:27.260 away

01:49:27.520 I never

01:49:27.900 recovered

01:49:28.420 from it

01:49:28.840 I thought

01:49:29.220 my god

01:49:30.140 really

01:49:30.480 that

01:49:30.740 the

01:49:31.040 continent

01:49:31.800 350 million

01:49:33.440 years

01:49:33.820 of

01:49:34.080 continuity

01:49:34.700 in

01:49:35.440 in

01:49:35.840 the

01:49:36.320 structure

01:49:36.720 of

01:49:36.940 those

01:49:37.160 systems

01:49:37.580 and

01:49:37.820 you

01:49:38.360 know

01:49:38.520 we

01:49:39.080 know

01:49:39.260 the

01:49:39.460 serotonin

01:49:40.020 system

01:49:40.400 which is

01:49:40.780 the

01:49:40.920 system

01:49:41.180 I'm

01:49:41.380 talking

01:49:41.680 about

01:49:42.020 does

01:49:42.640 govern

01:49:43.600 your

01:49:44.500 observation

01:49:45.500 of where

01:49:46.280 you sit

01:49:47.080 in a

01:49:47.440 social

01:49:47.740 hierarchy

01:49:48.160 like it

01:49:48.560 does

01:49:48.760 for

01:49:48.980 many

01:49:49.580 many

01:49:49.880 animal

01:49:50.260 species

01:49:50.720 and

01:49:51.340 as

01:49:51.560 one

01:49:51.840 consequence

01:49:52.400 of

01:49:52.720 that

01:49:52.920 regulates

01:49:53.620 your

01:49:53.820 emotions

01:49:54.300 so

01:49:54.640 that

01:49:54.820 if

01:49:55.220 it

01:49:55.380 sees

01:49:55.720 that

01:49:55.940 you're

01:49:56.160 a

01:49:56.300 relatively

01:49:56.740 high

01:49:57.220 status

01:49:57.760 creature

01:49:58.280 in

01:49:58.820 your

01:49:59.020 local

01:49:59.480 environment

01:50:00.020 then

01:50:00.560 it

01:50:00.720 tends

01:50:01.060 to

01:50:01.380 allow

01:50:01.840 you

01:50:02.080 to

01:50:02.300 feel

01:50:02.640 more

01:50:03.000 positive

01:50:03.520 emotion

01:50:04.000 and

01:50:04.240 less

01:50:04.480 negative

01:50:04.880 emotion

01:50:05.360 and

01:50:05.820 if

01:50:05.940 it

01:50:06.080 sees

01:50:06.400 you

01:50:06.560 as

01:50:06.740 a

01:50:06.880 low

01:50:07.140 status

01:50:07.580 creature

01:50:08.040 in

01:50:08.300 your

01:50:08.500 local

01:50:09.140 comparative

01:50:09.620 environment

01:50:10.100 then

01:50:10.320 it

01:50:10.440 does

01:50:10.600 the

01:50:10.780 opposite

01:50:11.160 it

01:50:11.420 overwhelms

01:50:12.360 you

01:50:12.500 with

01:50:12.660 negative

01:50:13.020 emotion

01:50:13.460 and

01:50:13.700 suppresses

01:50:14.300 positive

01:50:14.760 emotion

01:50:15.200 and

01:50:15.400 so

01:50:15.540 you

01:50:15.900 know

01:50:15.960 and

01:50:16.080 that's

01:50:16.320 really

01:50:16.560 bad

01:50:17.100 no

01:50:17.640 one

01:50:17.900 likes

01:50:18.300 that

01:50:18.740 it's

01:50:19.260 it's

01:50:19.760 fundamentally

01:50:20.600 there's

01:50:21.400 really

01:50:21.620 nothing

01:50:21.960 worse

01:50:22.340 that

01:50:22.560 can

01:50:22.720 happen

01:50:23.060 to

01:50:28.280 adjusted

01:50:28.940 in that

01:50:29.360 manner

01:50:29.680 so

01:50:29.960 that

01:50:30.180 the

01:50:30.640 incentive

01:50:31.060 reward

01:50:31.620 and

01:50:31.900 the

01:50:32.100 motivation

01:50:32.760 and

01:50:33.360 the

01:50:33.500 positive

01:50:33.820 emotion

01:50:34.360 vanishes

01:50:35.020 from

01:50:35.400 your

01:50:35.600 life

01:50:36.000 so

01:50:36.440 there's

01:50:36.660 nothing

01:50:36.960 to be

01:50:37.320 enthusiastic

01:50:37.980 or

01:50:38.260 excited

01:50:38.600 about

01:50:38.880 and

01:50:39.280 all

01:50:39.780 of

01:50:39.980 the

01:50:40.120 negative

01:50:40.440 emotions

01:50:41.060 pain

01:50:41.580 disappointment

01:50:42.240 frustration

01:50:42.980 grief

01:50:43.540 all of

01:50:43.980 those

01:50:44.240 terrible

01:50:44.820 negative

01:50:45.160 emotions

01:50:45.620 are

01:50:46.140 tremendously

01:50:46.740 magnified

01:50:47.500 no

01:50:48.200 one

01:50:48.560 wants

01:50:49.280 that

01:50:49.720 it's

01:50:50.520 the

01:50:50.680 last

01:50:51.480 thing

01:50:51.740 you

01:50:51.940 want

01:50:52.220 perhaps

01:50:52.580 it's

01:50:53.040 the

01:50:53.180 last

01:50:53.440 thing

01:50:53.660 you

01:50:53.820 want

01:50:54.100 and

01:50:54.700 you

01:50:55.000 know

01:50:55.120 that's

01:50:55.400 partly

01:50:55.660 why

01:50:55.900 people

01:50:56.200 are

01:50:56.440 very

01:50:58.280 what

01:51:00.620 would

01:51:00.780 you

01:51:00.900 say

01:51:01.080 they're

01:51:01.320 tightly

01:51:01.840 they're

01:51:02.560 willing

01:51:02.960 to

01:51:03.280 fight

01:51:03.720 for

01:51:04.000 their

01:51:04.160 position

01:51:04.680 in

01:51:04.960 their

01:51:05.160 status

01:51:05.680 hierarchy

01:51:06.140 and

01:51:06.360 even

01:51:06.540 for

01:51:06.720 the

01:51:06.860 existence

01:51:07.200 of

01:51:07.460 the

01:51:07.560 hierarchies

01:51:08.080 themselves

01:51:08.980 so

01:51:09.760 anyways

01:51:11.000 it is

01:51:12.580 the case

01:51:13.020 that

01:51:13.240 human

01:51:13.540 beings

01:51:13.880 have

01:51:14.080 a

01:51:14.200 nature

01:51:14.520 and

01:51:14.820 we

01:51:15.740 have

01:51:15.960 to

01:51:16.120 contend

01:51:16.500 with

01:51:16.700 that

01:51:16.900 nature

01:51:17.280 and

01:51:17.580 so

01:51:17.800 we

01:51:18.200 can't

01:51:18.560 just

01:51:18.740 create

01:51:19.120 our

01:51:19.300 own

01:51:19.480 values

01:51:19.980 and

01:51:20.620 what

01:51:21.280 Jung

01:51:22.060 especially

01:51:23.000 Jung

01:51:23.500 Freud

01:51:24.340 started

01:51:24.820 it

01:51:25.040 but

01:51:25.200 especially

01:51:25.800 Jung

01:51:26.240 believed

01:51:26.960 that

01:51:27.280 well

01:51:27.860 in

01:51:28.000 some

01:51:28.240 sense

01:51:28.660 what

01:51:29.260 had

01:51:29.400 happened

01:51:29.740 was

01:51:30.180 that

01:51:30.300 we

01:51:30.420 had

01:51:30.560 lost

01:51:31.000 the

01:51:31.300 externalized

01:51:32.200 religious

01:51:32.620 narrative

01:51:33.080 that

01:51:33.320 had

01:51:33.440 been

01:51:33.600 projected

01:51:34.220 by

01:51:34.600 our

01:51:34.780 imagination

01:51:35.460 out

01:51:35.780 onto

01:51:36.020 the

01:51:36.200 world

01:51:36.520 you

01:51:37.340 know

01:51:37.540 think

01:51:38.400 about

01:51:38.640 the

01:51:38.940 constellations

01:51:39.980 and

01:51:40.220 the

01:51:41.180 names

01:51:41.540 of the

01:51:41.880 constellations

01:51:42.660 and the

01:51:43.160 idea

01:51:43.460 that

01:51:43.700 the skies

01:51:44.220 were

01:51:44.460 populated

01:51:44.960 by

01:51:45.260 gods

01:51:45.780 you

01:51:46.000 know

01:51:46.120 that

01:51:46.520 was

01:51:46.680 an

01:51:46.840 externalization

01:51:47.740 of our

01:51:48.100 imagination

01:51:48.720 right

01:51:49.040 projected

01:51:49.520 out

01:51:49.740 into

01:51:49.900 the

01:51:50.040 world

01:51:50.200 we

01:51:50.360 were

01:51:50.500 seeing

01:51:50.920 the

01:51:51.120 world

01:51:51.360 through

01:51:51.600 our

01:51:51.780 imagination

01:51:52.240 and

01:51:53.360 which

01:51:53.720 is

01:51:54.080 exactly

01:51:54.600 how

01:51:54.780 we

01:51:54.920 do

01:51:55.060 see

01:51:55.280 the

01:51:55.420 world

01:51:55.680 and

01:51:56.220 as

01:51:56.480 we

01:51:56.660 proceed

01:51:57.140 we're

01:51:57.520 better

01:51:58.000 able

01:51:58.340 to

01:51:58.580 distinguish

01:51:59.120 let's

01:51:59.660 say

01:51:59.840 what's

01:52:00.240 imagination

01:52:00.860 from

01:52:01.480 what's

01:52:01.800 objective

01:52:02.300 world

01:52:02.720 but

01:52:02.920 that

01:52:03.300 doesn't

01:52:03.540 mean

01:52:03.720 the

01:52:03.860 imagination

01:52:04.520 disappears

01:52:05.300 or that

01:52:05.740 it's

01:52:05.940 without

01:52:06.200 value

01:52:06.660 because

01:52:06.980 the

01:52:07.420 imagination

01:52:07.860 is part

01:52:08.920 of what

01:52:09.180 helps

01:52:09.500 us

01:52:09.740 let's

01:52:10.220 say

01:52:10.360 confront

01:52:10.800 the

01:52:11.020 future

01:52:11.420 because

01:52:11.760 we

01:52:11.960 do

01:52:12.100 that

01:52:12.280 with

01:52:12.440 our

01:52:12.600 imagination

01:52:13.020 and

01:52:13.420 to

01:52:14.000 compose

01:52:14.680 things

01:52:15.240 in

01:52:15.880 possibility

01:52:16.840 before

01:52:17.520 we

01:52:17.920 realize

01:52:18.520 them

01:52:18.720 in

01:52:18.840 actuality

01:52:19.600 so

01:52:20.480 for

01:52:20.700 Jung

01:52:21.040 the

01:52:21.240 world

01:52:21.500 of

01:52:21.660 gods

01:52:21.980 just

01:52:22.280 collapsed

01:52:22.820 within

01:52:23.260 back

01:52:23.640 into

01:52:23.860 the

01:52:24.040 imagination

01:52:24.520 and

01:52:25.040 it

01:52:25.480 was

01:52:25.680 into

01:52:25.940 the

01:52:26.140 imagination

01:52:26.600 that

01:52:27.020 we

01:52:27.140 had

01:52:27.320 to

01:52:27.440 go

01:52:27.600 again

01:52:27.900 to

01:52:28.140 discover

01:52:28.820 what

01:52:29.080 we

01:52:29.240 had

01:52:29.380 lost

01:52:29.740 to

01:52:29.940 discover

01:52:30.340 these

01:52:30.660 lost

01:52:31.540 values

01:52:32.100 and

01:52:32.900 that's

01:52:33.320 akin

01:52:33.600 in

01:52:33.800 some

01:52:34.020 sense

01:52:34.280 I

01:52:34.440 suppose

01:52:34.780 to

01:52:35.060 rescuing

01:52:35.820 your

01:52:36.040 father

01:52:36.380 from

01:52:36.640 the

01:52:36.840 belly

01:52:37.060 of

01:52:37.260 the

01:52:37.420 whale

01:52:37.680 a

01:52:38.280 very

01:52:38.540 brilliant

01:52:39.680 intellectual

01:52:42.600 tour de

01:52:43.500 force

01:52:43.780 to

01:52:44.020 manage

01:52:45.080 that

01:52:45.500 supposition

01:52:46.620 especially

01:52:47.100 back

01:52:47.500 when

01:52:47.880 he

01:52:48.880 did

01:52:49.100 it

01:52:49.260 and

01:52:49.460 I

01:52:49.740 think

01:52:50.020 I

01:52:50.720 see

01:52:50.900 no

01:52:51.140 evidence

01:52:51.620 whatsoever

01:52:52.140 that

01:52:52.440 he

01:52:52.560 was

01:52:52.760 wrong

01:52:53.140 given

01:52:53.600 as

01:52:54.220 I

01:52:54.340 said

01:52:54.780 our

01:52:55.620 radical

01:52:56.320 inability

01:52:56.940 to

01:52:57.380 command

01:52:58.180 ourselves

01:52:59.060 as if

01:53:00.000 we

01:53:00.260 are

01:53:00.580 our

01:53:00.960 own

01:53:01.460 in

01:53:01.720 some

01:53:02.000 fundamental

01:53:02.560 way

01:53:02.960 we

01:53:03.460 seem

01:53:03.740 subject

01:53:04.280 to

01:53:04.840 intractable

01:53:09.080 moral

01:53:09.540 laws

01:53:10.160 and

01:53:10.820 I'm not

01:53:11.800 trying to

01:53:12.260 make a

01:53:12.560 case

01:53:12.840 for the

01:53:13.240 accuracy

01:53:13.700 of those

01:53:14.140 laws

01:53:14.400 necessarily

01:53:14.980 or for

01:53:15.480 their

01:53:15.640 metaphysical

01:53:16.200 origin

01:53:16.680 but

01:53:17.160 I am

01:53:17.540 trying to

01:53:17.960 make a

01:53:18.240 case

01:53:18.500 for

01:53:18.720 their

01:53:18.920 psychological

01:53:19.680 and

01:53:20.100 phenomenological

01:53:20.880 reality

01:53:21.640 you definitely

01:53:22.760 experience them

01:53:23.760 insofar as you

01:53:24.780 suffer

01:53:25.240 let's say

01:53:25.800 from the

01:53:26.980 pricks and

01:53:28.800 arrows of your

01:53:29.740 own conscience

01:53:30.420 and I doubt if

01:53:31.740 there's a single

01:53:32.260 person in this

01:53:33.260 room who doesn't

01:53:34.680 regularly suffer

01:53:35.900 in that manner

01:53:37.060 and some of you

01:53:38.140 suffer like that

01:53:39.100 virtually all the

01:53:40.040 time

01:53:40.440 which can also be a

01:53:41.920 problem

01:53:42.300 in any case

01:53:43.300 it's interesting

01:53:45.200 to note that

01:53:46.380 we're not

01:53:47.160 we're not

01:53:47.180 exactly

01:53:47.800 masters

01:53:48.360 in our

01:53:48.860 own

01:53:49.100 houses

01:53:49.540 and that's

01:53:50.600 such an

01:53:51.900 interesting

01:53:52.740 thing to

01:53:53.240 note

01:53:53.480 because

01:53:53.780 you think

01:53:54.420 well

01:53:54.620 if we're

01:53:55.200 not

01:53:55.380 masters

01:53:55.840 in our

01:53:56.160 own

01:53:56.340 houses

01:53:56.820 well

01:53:57.500 what is

01:53:58.160 it

01:53:58.280 is it

01:53:58.540 just

01:53:58.800 a chaotic

01:54:00.360 internal

01:54:00.840 structure

01:54:01.300 is it

01:54:02.060 merely

01:54:02.620 the voice

01:54:03.260 of nature

01:54:04.060 and

01:54:04.400 nature's

01:54:05.180 various

01:54:05.640 instinctual

01:54:06.300 subsystems

01:54:07.120 that doesn't

01:54:07.740 seem to be

01:54:08.240 correct

01:54:08.640 because

01:54:08.960 we do

01:54:09.680 integrate them

01:54:10.400 into something

01:54:10.960 approximating

01:54:11.700 a unity

01:54:12.240 there's more

01:54:13.060 than just

01:54:13.560 the basics

01:54:14.360 of nature

01:54:14.980 we have

01:54:15.380 language

01:54:15.900 we have

01:54:16.260 communication

01:54:16.880 we have

01:54:17.280 culture

01:54:17.720 we build

01:54:18.760 up above

01:54:19.620 nature

01:54:20.080 something

01:54:20.460 that's

01:54:20.800 more than

01:54:21.280 nature

01:54:21.640 but we're

01:54:22.080 still

01:54:22.500 beholden

01:54:23.500 to it

01:54:23.880 the question

01:54:24.640 is well

01:54:25.120 what are we

01:54:25.980 beholden

01:54:26.680 to

01:54:26.900 what is

01:54:27.660 this

01:54:27.960 that we're

01:54:28.340 beholden

01:54:28.940 to

01:54:29.180 and socially

01:54:30.840 politically

01:54:31.620 and individually

01:54:32.800 that we cannot

01:54:33.820 escape from

01:54:34.760 well

01:54:36.080 so that's

01:54:37.260 part of the

01:54:37.660 question

01:54:38.040 do you

01:54:39.240 believe in

01:54:39.700 God

01:54:40.080 well that's

01:54:41.000 part of the

01:54:41.340 answer

01:54:41.740 actually

01:54:42.280 and you

01:54:42.920 know

01:54:43.000 it's no

01:54:43.340 bleak

01:54:43.720 answer

01:54:44.180 but the

01:54:45.280 first thing

01:54:45.720 I'm trying

01:54:46.100 to say

01:54:46.440 is

01:54:46.720 try controlling

01:54:49.000 yourself

01:54:49.600 try acting

01:54:51.800 as if

01:54:52.240 you're the

01:54:52.800 fundamental

01:54:53.360 source of

01:54:54.140 your own

01:54:54.580 values

01:54:55.060 independent

01:54:55.620 of any

01:54:56.620 what would

01:54:58.120 you call

01:54:58.460 it

01:54:58.580 transcendent

01:54:59.680 ethical

01:55:00.120 structure

01:55:00.700 to see

01:55:01.580 if you

01:55:01.880 can do

01:55:02.240 that

01:55:02.600 but try

01:55:03.520 it for

01:55:03.780 a week

01:55:04.260 try it

01:55:04.680 for a

01:55:04.940 month

01:55:05.260 I've

01:55:05.840 never met

01:55:06.240 anybody

01:55:06.600 that could

01:55:07.000 do it

01:55:07.420 not even

01:55:08.320 for a

01:55:08.760 moment

01:55:09.180 when a

01:55:11.660 woman

01:55:11.880 experiences

01:55:12.500 an unplanned

01:55:13.260 pregnancy

01:55:13.720 she often

01:55:14.420 feels alone

01:55:15.220 and afraid

01:55:15.780 too often

01:55:16.820 her first

01:55:17.340 response is

01:55:17.960 to seek out

01:55:18.480 an abortion

01:55:18.960 because that's

01:55:20.100 what left-leaning

01:55:20.740 institutions have

01:55:21.700 conditioned her

01:55:22.360 to do

01:55:22.800 but because of

01:55:23.960 the generosity

01:55:24.560 of listeners

01:55:25.120 like you

01:55:25.720 that search

01:55:26.460 may lead

01:55:26.960 her to a

01:55:27.400 pre-born

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01:55:28.120 clinic

01:55:28.560 where by

01:55:29.300 the grace

01:55:29.660 of God

01:55:30.040 she'll

01:55:30.480 choose life

01:55:31.080 not just

01:55:31.700 for her

01:55:32.000 baby

01:55:32.300 but for

01:55:33.040 herself

01:55:33.560 pre-born

01:55:34.380 offers

01:55:34.760 God's

01:55:35.160 love

01:55:35.460 and compassion

01:55:36.060 to hurting

01:55:36.520 women

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01:56:23.280 Jordan

01:56:23.680 I mean

01:56:27.560 I don't know

01:56:28.760 how many of

01:56:29.220 you have read

01:56:29.820 Dostoevsky's

01:56:31.060 Crime and

01:56:31.460 Punishment

01:56:31.840 but I would

01:56:32.380 highly recommend

01:56:33.120 that if you're

01:56:33.720 interested in

01:56:34.220 this sort of

01:56:34.620 thing because

01:56:34.960 it's the

01:56:35.320 definitive study

01:56:36.440 of this idea

01:56:37.680 because in

01:56:38.560 Crime and

01:56:38.980 Punishment

01:56:39.380 the protagonist

01:56:40.960 commits the

01:56:42.500 perfect murder

01:56:43.500 and he has his

01:56:44.640 reasons for it

01:56:45.460 and many reasons

01:56:46.580 because Dostoevsky

01:56:47.640 didn't mess around

01:56:48.560 when he wanted

01:56:49.700 to give someone

01:56:50.340 reasons

01:56:50.840 he gave them

01:56:51.780 reasons

01:56:52.120 and Raskolnikov

01:56:53.740 the main character

01:56:54.640 had reasons for

01:56:55.440 murder

01:56:55.740 and then he

01:56:56.540 commits his

01:56:57.100 murder

01:56:57.320 and he gets

01:56:58.660 away with it

01:56:59.560 but things

01:57:01.240 don't go well

01:57:01.980 for Raskolnikov

01:57:03.120 because one of

01:57:04.200 the things he

01:57:04.680 finds out is

01:57:05.360 that the

01:57:06.300 Raskolnikov that

01:57:07.380 you were before

01:57:08.180 you committed

01:57:08.720 the murder

01:57:09.200 is not the

01:57:10.960 same as the

01:57:11.780 Raskolnikov as

01:57:12.760 you are after

01:57:13.540 you've committed

01:57:14.180 the murder

01:57:14.620 and there's a

01:57:15.820 dividing line

01:57:16.480 there that you

01:57:17.140 don't it's like

01:57:18.640 the red pill

01:57:19.440 I guess right

01:57:20.300 it's like it

01:57:21.480 that's the

01:57:22.160 matrix correct

01:57:23.020 the red pill

01:57:23.840 and once

01:57:26.300 there's certain

01:57:27.480 actions

01:57:28.040 once you take

01:57:28.820 them

01:57:29.020 there's no

01:57:29.520 going back

01:57:30.340 and so that's

01:57:31.620 what crime and

01:57:32.140 punishment is

01:57:32.700 about

01:57:32.960 and Raskolnikov

01:57:34.180 tortures himself

01:57:35.120 to death

01:57:35.820 well not literally

01:57:36.860 but metaphysically

01:57:37.900 psychologically

01:57:39.020 because he

01:57:39.640 cannot tolerate

01:57:40.680 breaking the

01:57:42.600 great moral

01:57:43.640 code

01:57:44.180 and so

01:57:45.380 it's a great

01:57:46.240 book

01:57:46.580 it's truly

01:57:47.220 a great

01:57:47.600 book

01:57:47.900 and it's

01:57:48.640 also

01:57:48.940 extraordinarily

01:57:50.540 like it's

01:57:51.620 a murder

01:57:53.400 mystery

01:57:54.060 thriller

01:57:54.660 as well as

01:57:55.680 being a deep

01:57:56.360 philosophical

01:57:56.980 book

01:57:57.460 so if

01:57:58.260 you're in

01:57:58.680 the mood

01:57:59.520 for you

01:58:00.120 know

01:58:00.240 a murder

01:58:00.680 mystery

01:58:01.160 thriller

01:58:01.500 that's also

01:58:02.180 a deep

01:58:02.580 philosophical

01:58:03.060 book

01:58:03.500 then that's

01:58:04.380 the one

01:58:04.680 for you

01:58:05.100 so

01:58:06.020 now

01:58:07.160 one of

01:58:08.200 the other

01:58:08.680 speakers

01:58:09.920 on the

01:58:10.420 panel

01:58:10.740 Van

01:58:11.240 Badham

01:58:11.960 who

01:58:12.960 described

01:58:15.380 was described

01:58:16.460 not by me

01:58:17.260 as a

01:58:17.700 writer

01:58:18.040 activist

01:58:19.160 and

01:58:19.740 twitter

01:58:20.220 queen

01:58:20.880 which is

01:58:23.580 I think

01:58:24.480 like being

01:58:25.540 the red

01:58:25.940 queen

01:58:26.260 in

01:58:26.520 Alice in

01:58:27.260 Wonderland

01:58:27.740 something like

01:58:28.660 that

01:58:28.900 I went on

01:58:29.620 her twitter

01:58:30.000 site today

01:58:30.580 to find out

01:58:31.040 how many

01:58:31.340 followers

01:58:31.840 she has

01:58:32.860 but apparently

01:58:33.560 I'm not

01:58:34.100 one of them

01:58:34.740 because I'm

01:58:35.660 blocked

01:58:36.160 and

01:58:37.080 and

01:58:38.120 it kind of

01:58:39.540 surprises me

01:58:40.480 because

01:58:43.120 I didn't

01:58:44.580 know that

01:58:44.960 I'd ever

01:58:45.420 tried to

01:58:46.520 follow

01:58:46.820 her

01:58:47.580 but

01:58:48.280 anyways

01:58:50.280 she said

01:58:51.720 and this

01:58:53.220 was interesting

01:58:53.940 she said

01:58:54.860 I'm a

01:58:55.280 Christian

01:58:55.680 and a

01:58:56.100 Marxist

01:58:56.800 and I

01:58:57.840 thought

01:58:58.200 no

01:59:01.260 you can

01:59:06.280 only be

01:59:06.720 a

01:59:06.860 Christian

01:59:07.160 and a

01:59:07.460 Marxist

01:59:07.920 if you

01:59:08.260 well

01:59:08.720 there's

01:59:08.960 a couple

01:59:09.280 of ways

01:59:09.780 one is

01:59:10.820 one is

01:59:12.000 that

01:59:12.220 you just

01:59:13.220 want to be

01:59:13.780 all things

01:59:14.640 that are

01:59:15.020 good at

01:59:15.620 once

01:59:16.180 regardless

01:59:17.120 of their

01:59:17.680 internal

01:59:18.080 contradictions

01:59:18.860 and so that

01:59:19.780 would be

01:59:20.060 one reason

01:59:20.660 and another

01:59:21.540 reason would

01:59:22.520 be that

01:59:22.960 you don't

01:59:23.460 know anything

01:59:23.880 about

01:59:24.220 Christianity

01:59:24.840 or

01:59:25.440 Marxism

01:59:26.120 and

01:59:27.760 and

01:59:28.580 and then

01:59:29.240 the next

01:59:29.720 would be

01:59:30.100 that you're

01:59:30.520 just

01:59:30.700 compartmentalized

01:59:31.900 you know

01:59:32.640 like

01:59:32.900 there's this

01:59:33.540 idea that

01:59:34.080 people can't

01:59:34.800 hold two

01:59:35.340 contradictory

01:59:35.960 thoughts in

01:59:36.840 their mind

01:59:37.260 at the same

01:59:37.820 time

01:59:38.240 well that

01:59:40.020 idea was

01:59:40.860 formulated by

01:59:41.600 someone who

01:59:42.120 who's never

01:59:43.000 met a human

01:59:43.880 being

01:59:44.380 because you

01:59:45.520 can hold

01:59:45.900 like 50

01:59:46.620 contradictory

01:59:47.240 thoughts in

01:59:48.340 your head

01:59:48.720 at the same

01:59:49.280 time

01:59:49.640 as you know

01:59:50.440 whenever you

01:59:51.000 argue with

01:59:51.520 someone that

01:59:52.000 you love

01:59:52.520 because you

01:59:53.100 love them

01:59:53.600 and maybe

01:59:54.220 you even

01:59:54.560 like them

01:59:55.000 but you

01:59:55.240 also hate

01:59:55.900 them and

01:59:56.300 you wish

01:59:56.620 that you

01:59:56.860 could just

01:59:57.200 crush them

01:59:57.820 right there

01:59:58.280 and then

01:59:58.680 and so

01:59:59.440 like that's

02:00:00.060 a lot of

02:00:00.460 contradictory

02:00:00.960 ideas

02:00:01.600 and that's

02:00:02.200 probably only

02:00:02.680 like half

02:00:03.400 the contradictory

02:00:04.100 ideas that

02:00:04.820 are running

02:00:05.140 through your

02:00:05.560 mind at the

02:00:06.160 moment

02:00:06.460 you know

02:00:07.260 so man

02:00:08.000 you're so

02:00:08.600 full of

02:00:08.900 contradictions

02:00:09.480 that it's

02:00:09.880 just beyond

02:00:10.420 belief

02:00:10.800 and the

02:00:11.080 only time

02:00:11.520 I mean

02:00:12.300 I know

02:00:12.640 this because

02:00:13.080 I read

02:00:13.440 undergraduate

02:00:14.000 essays

02:00:14.560 and

02:00:15.720 what's

02:00:16.640 what's

02:00:17.000 interesting

02:00:17.540 about

02:00:17.880 undergraduate

02:00:18.460 essays

02:00:18.980 is it's

02:00:20.440 so interesting

02:00:21.100 because the

02:00:22.100 undergraduate

02:00:23.600 claim in

02:00:24.320 paragraph

02:00:24.740 one

02:00:25.380 and then

02:00:26.380 in paragraph

02:00:27.260 seven

02:00:27.940 will make

02:00:28.380 the opposite

02:00:29.120 claim

02:00:29.780 and they

02:00:30.440 won't notice

02:00:31.180 that they're

02:00:32.800 intellectually

02:00:34.740 incommensurate

02:00:35.580 and you know

02:00:36.420 that might

02:00:36.760 happen 30

02:00:37.460 times in

02:00:38.200 the essay

02:00:38.720 and the

02:00:39.640 reason that

02:00:40.460 that works

02:00:42.020 is because

02:00:42.600 well they

02:00:42.960 haven't been

02:00:43.840 called on

02:00:44.620 the paradoxes

02:00:45.600 but also

02:00:46.220 because they

02:00:46.680 haven't had

02:00:47.820 to live

02:00:48.520 the paradoxes

02:00:49.660 through

02:00:50.020 because you

02:00:50.880 really only

02:00:51.380 straighten out

02:00:51.960 your thought

02:00:52.500 when you

02:00:52.880 have like

02:00:53.660 impulse

02:00:54.540 A and

02:00:55.040 impulse

02:00:55.460 B

02:00:55.880 and they

02:00:56.760 conflict

02:00:57.320 at the

02:00:58.240 same

02:00:58.700 time

02:00:59.380 right

02:00:59.980 and you

02:01:00.280 can either

02:01:00.620 do one

02:01:01.220 or the

02:01:01.820 other

02:01:02.100 but not

02:01:02.640 both

02:01:03.080 you know

02:01:03.680 if it's

02:01:04.040 A today

02:01:04.460 and B

02:01:04.940 tomorrow

02:01:05.340 well then

02:01:05.840 you can

02:01:06.300 be

02:01:06.520 you can

02:01:07.580 hold those

02:01:08.080 ideas

02:01:08.400 simultaneously

02:01:09.060 but if

02:01:09.420 it's A

02:01:09.740 or B

02:01:10.180 right now

02:01:10.920 then you

02:01:11.780 have to

02:01:12.160 decide

02:01:12.620 is A

02:01:13.440 more important

02:01:14.100 or is B

02:01:14.580 more important

02:01:15.280 you have to

02:01:15.880 put them in a

02:01:16.640 hierarchy

02:01:17.040 and then you

02:01:17.660 have to act

02:01:18.180 them out

02:01:18.560 and you have

02:01:18.920 to see what

02:01:19.280 happens

02:01:19.740 and so

02:01:20.480 then you

02:01:20.860 find out

02:01:21.300 if you're

02:01:21.700 full of

02:01:22.080 contradictions

02:01:22.700 and part

02:01:23.480 of the way

02:01:23.820 that you

02:01:24.240 iron out

02:01:25.140 your

02:01:25.420 contradictions

02:01:26.220 which is

02:01:26.740 very very

02:01:27.380 hard to

02:01:28.020 do

02:01:28.240 is that

02:01:28.800 you go

02:01:29.120 out and

02:01:29.400 you do

02:01:29.660 a whole

02:01:29.920 bunch

02:01:30.160 of things

02:01:30.520 in the

02:01:30.780 world

02:01:31.060 like

02:01:31.320 Socrates

02:01:31.800 did

02:01:32.160 you go

02:01:32.460 you have

02:01:32.920 your adventure

02:01:33.520 in the

02:01:33.840 world

02:01:34.120 and you

02:01:34.620 put your

02:01:35.040 ideas

02:01:35.380 to the

02:01:35.740 test

02:01:36.140 and those

02:01:37.060 that

02:01:37.340 work out

02:01:38.600 in a paradoxical

02:01:39.700 or counterproductive

02:01:40.620 manner

02:01:40.960 you dispense

02:01:41.700 with

02:01:41.940 or put

02:01:42.540 lower

02:01:42.860 on the

02:01:43.220 priority list

02:01:43.920 or something

02:01:44.320 like that

02:01:44.760 and that's

02:01:45.080 how you

02:01:45.340 discover

02:01:45.740 that

02:01:46.300 you know

02:01:46.900 you can't

02:01:47.500 hold

02:01:47.800 incommensurate

02:01:49.000 views

02:01:49.560 simultaneously

02:01:50.600 Carl Jung

02:01:51.940 said that

02:01:52.600 something like

02:01:54.720 paradoxical views

02:01:56.040 that are not

02:01:56.500 made conscious

02:01:57.200 will be played

02:01:58.000 out in the

02:01:58.540 world

02:01:58.800 as fate

02:01:59.700 and that's

02:02:01.500 really worth

02:02:01.900 thinking about

02:02:02.480 too

02:02:02.660 so if you

02:02:03.180 have your

02:02:03.740 let's call

02:02:05.000 it your

02:02:05.460 typical

02:02:06.100 negative

02:02:07.140 experience

02:02:08.040 you know

02:02:08.660 it's this

02:02:09.040 thing that

02:02:09.380 just keeps

02:02:09.880 seems to

02:02:10.580 just keep

02:02:11.100 happening

02:02:11.620 to you

02:02:12.160 bad luck

02:02:13.120 let's call

02:02:13.700 it

02:02:13.840 it's highly

02:02:14.580 probable

02:02:15.120 that there's

02:02:16.160 a set of

02:02:17.320 ideas that

02:02:18.140 are occupying

02:02:20.220 you

02:02:20.600 preoccupying

02:02:21.660 you

02:02:21.820 possessing

02:02:22.440 you

02:02:22.660 that are

02:02:23.500 driving you

02:02:24.580 in this

02:02:24.940 direction

02:02:25.400 continually

02:02:26.100 and that

02:02:26.900 you can't

02:02:28.460 or won't

02:02:29.440 work out

02:02:30.340 the contradiction

02:02:31.260 and as a

02:02:32.180 consequence

02:02:32.680 you know

02:02:34.160 maybe you think

02:02:34.700 every woman

02:02:35.200 is your mother

02:02:35.900 and you haven't

02:02:36.660 noticed that

02:02:37.160 you think that

02:02:37.900 and that

02:02:38.640 that you know

02:02:39.820 and it is

02:02:40.440 something that

02:02:41.120 people think

02:02:41.780 because women

02:02:42.900 are mothers

02:02:43.680 are women

02:02:44.280 and it's not

02:02:45.420 a bad initial

02:02:46.060 template

02:02:46.520 but you know

02:02:47.020 you gotta

02:02:47.400 you gotta

02:02:48.660 modify it

02:02:49.480 to some degree

02:02:50.300 and you know

02:02:51.840 if that's an

02:02:52.620 unconscious idea

02:02:53.540 that you have

02:02:54.180 and you continue

02:02:54.860 to play it out

02:02:55.600 you may run

02:02:56.260 into your

02:02:56.960 continual

02:02:57.920 habitual

02:02:58.940 negative experience

02:03:00.280 with women

02:03:00.800 and you'll

02:03:01.560 wonder what the

02:03:02.400 hell is wrong

02:03:03.160 with women

02:03:03.620 but it isn't

02:03:05.060 the women

02:03:05.380 that has the

02:03:05.900 problem

02:03:06.220 it's you

02:03:06.720 and you know

02:03:09.080 if you run

02:03:09.520 into problems

02:03:10.060 with women

02:03:10.520 all the time

02:03:11.520 then it's

02:03:14.020 highly probable

02:03:14.720 that the problem

02:03:15.460 is you

02:03:17.080 so not always

02:03:19.800 but generally

02:03:21.720 so let's go

02:03:22.780 into this

02:03:23.280 Marxist

02:03:23.980 and Christian

02:03:24.620 idea here

02:03:25.360 just for a minute

02:03:26.080 so we'll start

02:03:27.640 with some of the

02:03:28.920 ideas of Marx

02:03:30.060 well Marx

02:03:32.020 believed that

02:03:32.560 people were

02:03:32.960 basically

02:03:33.320 socially

02:03:33.840 constructed

02:03:34.540 so that

02:03:35.520 we were

02:03:36.140 blank slates

02:03:37.120 and that

02:03:38.460 whatever

02:03:39.120 our nature

02:03:40.240 was was

02:03:40.820 given to us

02:03:41.860 essentially

02:03:42.520 by our

02:03:43.220 surroundings

02:03:43.760 but even

02:03:44.420 more importantly

02:03:45.060 by our

02:03:45.520 social class

02:03:46.760 right

02:03:47.380 because Marx

02:03:48.020 was a

02:03:48.380 theorist

02:03:48.740 of social

02:03:49.200 class

02:03:49.620 and believed

02:03:50.100 that the

02:03:50.440 primary

02:03:50.920 dispute

02:03:53.740 let's say

02:03:54.400 the primary

02:03:55.300 motivator

02:03:57.060 of human

02:03:57.580 history

02:03:57.960 the primary

02:03:58.520 driver

02:03:59.120 of human

02:03:59.580 history

02:03:59.980 was something

02:04:00.500 like the

02:04:00.920 rich

02:04:01.160 versus the

02:04:01.840 poor

02:04:02.080 the

02:04:02.320 bourgeoisie

02:04:03.320 versus the

02:04:03.880 proletariat

02:04:04.520 and that

02:04:05.200 was a

02:04:05.520 consequence

02:04:05.920 of your

02:04:06.360 social

02:04:06.680 upbringing

02:04:07.080 and that

02:04:07.460 your group

02:04:07.860 identity

02:04:08.260 was paramount

02:04:09.160 okay so

02:04:10.020 there's nothing

02:04:10.560 about that

02:04:11.080 that's vaguely

02:04:11.920 Christian

02:04:12.460 that's not

02:04:13.220 how the

02:04:13.700 Christian

02:04:14.080 worldview

02:04:14.620 works

02:04:14.980 not how

02:04:15.320 the Judeo

02:04:15.860 Christian

02:04:16.160 worldview

02:04:16.580 works

02:04:17.020 because

02:04:17.700 in that

02:04:18.340 worldview

02:04:18.760 you're

02:04:19.100 fundamentally

02:04:19.940 an individual

02:04:20.700 your nature

02:04:21.660 is fundamentally

02:04:22.720 attributable

02:04:23.520 to you

02:04:24.200 by God

02:04:24.920 you're

02:04:25.480 fundamentally

02:04:26.020 responsible

02:04:26.740 to God

02:04:27.500 and

02:04:28.220 your

02:04:29.160 and

02:04:29.920 history

02:04:30.560 itself

02:04:31.100 is something

02:04:31.620 like the

02:04:32.100 playing out

02:04:32.880 of your

02:04:33.260 relationship

02:04:33.860 to the

02:04:34.280 transcendent

02:04:35.060 so those

02:04:35.660 things aren't

02:04:36.200 even

02:04:36.460 those aren't

02:04:37.340 the same

02:04:38.440 they're not

02:04:39.560 commensurate

02:04:40.240 you can't

02:04:41.160 believe both

02:04:42.040 of them

02:04:42.360 at the

02:04:42.660 same time

02:04:43.360 Marxism

02:04:45.660 is a

02:04:46.480 materialistic

02:04:47.280 philosophy

02:04:47.800 it's predicated

02:04:49.100 on the idea

02:04:49.820 that

02:04:50.140 essentially

02:04:51.520 an idea

02:04:52.420 that Dostoevsky

02:04:53.220 criticized

02:04:53.720 in great depth

02:04:54.600 was that

02:04:55.040 if you

02:04:55.620 just

02:04:56.040 made

02:04:56.400 people

02:04:56.920 rich

02:04:57.760 enough

02:04:58.120 let's

02:04:58.440 say

02:04:58.620 if you

02:04:58.940 deprive

02:04:59.620 them

02:04:59.880 of

02:05:00.100 their

02:05:00.320 privation

02:05:01.140 if you

02:05:01.860 equalize

02:05:02.480 their economic

02:05:03.080 status

02:05:03.600 let's

02:05:03.920 say

02:05:04.120 that

02:05:05.360 the

02:05:05.800 utopia

02:05:06.320 would

02:05:06.720 come to

02:05:07.740 light

02:05:07.980 upon

02:05:08.300 earth

02:05:08.600 and

02:05:08.780 you know

02:05:09.180 I have

02:05:09.720 a certain

02:05:10.100 amount

02:05:10.340 sympathy

02:05:10.840 for a

02:05:11.300 view

02:05:11.480 point

02:05:12.140 like

02:05:12.360 that

02:05:12.600 because

02:05:12.920 you know

02:05:13.680 who

02:05:14.260 likes

02:05:14.740 starvation

02:05:15.480 and

02:05:15.880 misery

02:05:16.660 you know

02:05:17.540 there's

02:05:18.240 nothing

02:05:18.520 positive

02:05:19.000 to be

02:05:19.380 said

02:05:19.580 about

02:05:19.800 that

02:05:20.060 but

02:05:20.240 I

02:05:20.660 think

02:05:20.840 Dostoevsky

02:05:21.580 was right

02:05:22.160 too

02:05:22.420 in his

02:05:22.720 criticism

02:05:23.220 of

02:05:23.560 Marxism

02:05:24.500 although

02:05:24.760 he wasn't

02:05:25.440 directly

02:05:25.860 aiming this

02:05:26.380 at Marx

02:05:26.860 in

02:05:27.660 notes

02:05:28.540 from

02:05:28.760 underground

02:05:29.140 where

02:05:29.420 he

02:05:29.580 noted

02:05:29.860 that

02:05:30.180 you know

02:05:30.720 if you

02:05:30.960 gave

02:05:31.280 people

02:05:31.760 what

02:05:32.480 they

02:05:32.700 wanted

02:05:33.140 in

02:05:33.400 terms

02:05:33.680 of

02:05:33.940 let's

02:05:34.540 say

02:05:34.700 bread

02:05:35.020 and

02:05:35.300 circuses

02:05:35.940 if they

02:05:36.380 had

02:05:36.600 as he

02:05:37.300 said

02:05:37.540 nothing

02:05:37.780 to do

02:05:38.200 but eat

02:05:38.740 cakes

02:05:39.080 and busy

02:05:39.520 themselves

02:05:39.960 with the

02:05:40.380 continuation

02:05:40.780 of the

02:05:41.360 species

02:05:41.780 which is

02:05:42.580 kind of

02:05:42.840 a nice

02:05:43.180 phrase

02:05:43.600 that

02:05:45.820 the first

02:05:46.360 thing they

02:05:46.720 would do

02:05:47.040 is take

02:05:47.400 a hammer

02:05:47.840 and smash

02:05:48.520 things

02:05:48.880 just so

02:05:49.320 that

02:05:49.460 something

02:05:49.840 improbable

02:05:50.640 and strange

02:05:51.260 would happen

02:05:51.820 just so

02:05:52.320 that we

02:05:52.620 could have

02:05:53.020 our way

02:05:53.640 you know

02:05:54.440 and it's

02:05:55.020 kind of

02:05:55.360 a recapitulation

02:05:56.280 of the idea

02:05:57.020 of original

02:05:57.580 sin

02:05:58.020 in Dostoevsky's

02:05:59.260 subtle manner

02:05:59.880 is that

02:06:00.220 we're the

02:06:00.540 sorts of

02:06:00.920 creatures

02:06:01.260 that

02:06:01.560 you know

02:06:02.220 what did

02:06:02.980 he say

02:06:03.400 we're

02:06:03.880 ungrateful

02:06:04.560 that's the

02:06:05.180 thing that

02:06:05.540 primarily

02:06:06.100 distinguishes

02:06:07.180 us from

02:06:07.700 animals

02:06:08.200 is we're

02:06:08.660 ungrateful

02:06:09.160 and that

02:06:09.520 we can

02:06:09.900 curse

02:06:10.340 that was

02:06:10.760 what he

02:06:11.140 thought

02:06:11.400 made us

02:06:11.820 different

02:06:12.100 than

02:06:12.300 animals

02:06:12.680 and that

02:06:13.300 even if

02:06:14.160 we got

02:06:14.560 what we

02:06:15.160 wanted

02:06:16.100 materially

02:06:17.480 that wouldn't

02:06:18.020 satisfy us

02:06:18.860 because we're

02:06:19.580 not the

02:06:20.140 sorts of

02:06:20.540 creatures

02:06:20.860 that can

02:06:21.240 be satisfied

02:06:21.940 with material

02:06:23.460 possessions

02:06:24.800 let's say

02:06:25.300 or material

02:06:25.700 comfort

02:06:26.080 because it

02:06:26.580 isn't even

02:06:27.040 obvious that

02:06:27.640 we're after

02:06:28.200 comfort

02:06:28.840 I mean

02:06:29.240 what do

02:06:29.820 you want

02:06:30.080 you want

02:06:30.300 to just

02:06:30.740 lay in a

02:06:31.360 feather bed

02:06:31.980 and eat

02:06:32.380 peeled grapes

02:06:33.180 all day

02:06:33.680 I mean

02:06:33.980 maybe for

02:06:34.420 an hour

02:06:35.160 or so

02:06:35.720 that might not

02:06:36.400 be a bad

02:06:36.900 idea

02:06:37.240 but you

02:06:37.860 know

02:06:38.040 it's going

02:06:38.860 to get

02:06:39.100 dull

02:06:39.480 pretty quick

02:06:39.980 you're going

02:06:40.280 to go out

02:06:40.620 looking for

02:06:41.080 trouble

02:06:41.460 and it's

02:06:42.740 certainly

02:06:43.000 possible that

02:06:43.800 the more

02:06:44.300 material resources

02:06:45.600 and the easier

02:06:47.220 they were to

02:06:47.860 get that you

02:06:48.840 have at your

02:06:49.640 disposal

02:06:50.180 the more

02:06:50.880 creative ways

02:06:52.020 you're going

02:06:52.520 to find

02:06:53.120 to cause

02:06:53.680 yourself

02:06:54.060 trouble

02:06:54.420 when you go

02:06:54.940 out and look

02:06:55.380 for trouble

02:06:55.940 and so

02:06:56.680 and that's

02:06:57.020 a testament

02:06:57.480 to the human

02:06:58.060 spirit

02:06:58.480 and Dostoevsky

02:06:59.200 knew this

02:06:59.720 it's like

02:07:00.080 well whatever

02:07:00.900 we're here

02:07:01.540 for

02:07:01.880 it isn't

02:07:03.140 the utopia

02:07:04.120 of equal

02:07:05.160 material distribution

02:07:06.400 that's not

02:07:07.760 we're not

02:07:08.620 we're not

02:07:09.040 we're not

02:07:09.580 looking to

02:07:10.320 be fed

02:07:12.000 and asleep

02:07:12.820 you know

02:07:13.940 and I don't

02:07:14.860 know what it

02:07:15.260 is that we're

02:07:15.700 looking for

02:07:16.360 God only knows

02:07:17.480 maybe what

02:07:18.500 we're looking

02:07:19.020 for is to

02:07:19.740 continually keep

02:07:21.040 looking

02:07:21.620 something like

02:07:22.460 that

02:07:22.860 I mean

02:07:23.420 that's the

02:07:24.000 sorts of

02:07:24.380 creatures

02:07:24.680 that we

02:07:25.080 are

02:07:25.380 but

02:07:26.040 but the

02:07:26.820 materialist

02:07:27.980 philosophy

02:07:28.420 is that

02:07:28.960 well if you

02:07:29.540 just provided

02:07:30.240 for people

02:07:30.800 economically

02:07:31.460 problem over

02:07:32.900 and

02:07:33.540 no

02:07:34.840 wrong

02:07:36.480 I mean

02:07:37.200 most of

02:07:37.720 you are

02:07:38.480 as

02:07:39.160 given that

02:07:40.540 you're

02:07:40.780 you know

02:07:41.040 you're going

02:07:41.480 to be ill

02:07:42.620 in one way

02:07:43.240 or another

02:07:43.520 and that

02:07:43.860 you're still

02:07:44.220 subject to

02:07:44.840 mortality

02:07:45.300 and all

02:07:46.280 of the

02:07:46.600 terrible

02:07:46.920 natural

02:07:47.520 limitations

02:07:48.620 that human

02:07:49.240 beings

02:07:49.600 are characterized

02:07:50.500 by

02:07:50.920 you're about

02:07:51.880 as well

02:07:52.320 off as

02:07:52.760 you're going

02:07:53.080 to get

02:07:53.560 you know

02:07:54.380 the economic

02:07:55.760 data already

02:07:56.740 show that

02:07:57.520 once you

02:07:58.460 have enough

02:07:58.960 money

02:07:59.400 so that

02:08:00.160 bill collectors

02:08:01.240 aren't chasing

02:08:02.340 you

02:08:02.800 which basically

02:08:03.820 puts you

02:08:04.340 say at the

02:08:05.160 kind of in the

02:08:06.100 upper reaches

02:08:06.700 of the working

02:08:07.460 class or maybe

02:08:08.220 the lower end

02:08:08.900 of the middle

02:08:09.320 class something

02:08:10.000 like that

02:08:10.480 that additional

02:08:11.300 money has

02:08:11.820 absolutely no

02:08:12.840 effect whatsoever

02:08:13.700 on your

02:08:14.500 self-reported

02:08:15.760 well-being

02:08:16.640 which is something

02:08:17.340 like a combination

02:08:18.120 of positive emotion

02:08:19.420 and absence of

02:08:20.240 negative emotion

02:08:21.000 so you might like

02:08:22.640 to think

02:08:23.000 that you

02:08:23.440 know

02:08:23.540 if you

02:08:23.860 were rich

02:08:24.260 your life

02:08:24.660 would be

02:08:24.960 better

02:08:25.260 and maybe

02:08:25.960 it would be

02:08:26.380 somewhat better

02:08:27.020 but it wouldn't

02:08:28.040 be as much

02:08:28.900 better as you

02:08:29.580 might hope

02:08:30.280 and that's

02:08:31.420 because you'd

02:08:31.840 still have most

02:08:32.500 of the problems

02:08:33.080 that people

02:08:33.500 have

02:08:33.920 you know

02:08:34.400 you still

02:08:35.020 maybe wouldn't

02:08:35.580 get along

02:08:35.920 with your sister

02:08:36.600 and you'd

02:08:37.020 still get

02:08:37.420 divorced

02:08:37.900 and maybe

02:08:38.480 you'd even

02:08:38.820 be more

02:08:39.200 likely to

02:08:39.780 and there'd

02:08:40.560 still be

02:08:40.940 illnesses

02:08:41.320 that would

02:08:41.780 beset you

02:08:42.440 you'd be

02:08:43.060 able to

02:08:43.440 deal with

02:08:44.160 them perhaps

02:08:44.660 with some

02:08:45.100 degree

02:08:45.460 more urgency

02:08:47.440 but

02:08:49.480 and you'd

02:08:51.520 still have

02:08:51.840 the problem

02:08:52.240 with what

02:08:52.680 the hell

02:08:52.980 your life

02:08:53.380 is for

02:08:53.800 and what

02:08:54.060 you're doing

02:08:54.460 on the planet

02:08:55.040 and how

02:08:55.420 to conduct

02:08:55.860 yourself

02:08:56.220 in the

02:08:56.520 proper way

02:08:57.120 and so

02:08:57.880 so we

02:08:58.680 don't want

02:08:58.920 to be

02:08:59.120 too naive

02:08:59.660 about

02:09:00.020 materialism

02:09:00.780 even though

02:09:01.480 we don't

02:09:01.780 want to

02:09:02.040 be ungrateful

02:09:02.780 for its

02:09:03.220 advantages

02:09:03.720 Marx also

02:09:05.240 believed

02:09:05.660 well I said

02:09:06.220 this already

02:09:06.720 that you

02:09:07.580 know history

02:09:08.140 was basically

02:09:08.840 characterized

02:09:09.360 by the war

02:09:10.120 of socioeconomic

02:09:11.040 groups

02:09:11.480 that's been

02:09:12.000 transformed

02:09:12.460 more recently

02:09:13.260 into the

02:09:14.580 war of

02:09:15.200 identity

02:09:15.820 groups

02:09:16.300 which is

02:09:16.720 the same

02:09:17.100 damn thing

02:09:17.820 and it's

02:09:18.360 the same

02:09:18.700 old wolf

02:09:19.360 in new

02:09:19.820 sheep's

02:09:20.260 clothing

02:09:20.580 as far

02:09:21.000 as I'm

02:09:21.300 concerned

02:09:21.660 that you

02:09:22.320 know the

02:09:22.580 best way

02:09:22.980 to conceptualize

02:09:24.100 human beings

02:09:24.780 is I don't

02:09:25.860 know whatever

02:09:26.260 your damn

02:09:26.920 identity is

02:09:27.880 maybe it's

02:09:29.040 sex for you

02:09:29.880 and it's

02:09:30.360 ethnicity for

02:09:31.320 you and

02:09:31.640 it's gender

02:09:32.320 for you

02:09:32.880 and God

02:09:33.680 only knows

02:09:34.140 what it

02:09:34.480 is for

02:09:34.860 you and

02:09:35.380 you know

02:09:36.000 and that's

02:09:37.460 who you

02:09:37.720 identify with

02:09:38.680 and all

02:09:39.380 there is

02:09:39.800 in the

02:09:40.060 world

02:09:40.340 and this

02:09:40.720 is the

02:09:41.100 post-modernist

02:09:42.040 view

02:09:42.320 is hierarchies

02:09:44.240 of people

02:09:44.800 in these

02:09:45.540 identity groups

02:09:46.400 struggling

02:09:47.060 for dominion

02:09:48.120 you know

02:09:48.780 and that's

02:09:49.200 a quasi

02:09:49.860 Marxist

02:09:50.520 viewpoint

02:09:50.960 it's just

02:09:51.400 a variant

02:09:52.100 of the

02:09:52.700 bourgeoisie

02:09:53.700 versus

02:09:54.020 proletariat

02:09:54.920 theory of

02:09:55.900 history

02:09:56.240 which is

02:09:56.700 a foolish

02:09:57.620 theory

02:09:58.060 as far

02:09:58.780 as I'm

02:09:59.100 concerned

02:09:59.460 and certainly

02:10:00.020 not one

02:10:00.560 that we

02:10:00.820 need to

02:10:01.200 take forward

02:10:01.800 into the

02:10:02.240 21st century

02:10:03.060 although we

02:10:03.520 seem

02:10:03.780 you know

02:10:04.580 destined

02:10:05.520 to insist

02:10:07.060 that we

02:10:07.440 do so

02:10:07.880 he believed

02:10:08.740 that the

02:10:09.900 revolutionary

02:10:10.580 overthrow

02:10:11.240 of the

02:10:11.760 oppressor

02:10:12.360 class

02:10:12.880 was

02:10:13.220 necessary

02:10:14.400 and morally

02:10:15.160 demanded

02:10:15.800 and that

02:10:17.280 turns out

02:10:17.800 to be a

02:10:18.180 little

02:10:18.420 bloodier

02:10:19.520 than I

02:10:19.980 would say

02:10:20.620 the typical

02:10:22.000 Christian

02:10:22.600 Judeo-Christian

02:10:23.640 ethic

02:10:24.040 might require

02:10:25.040 because it

02:10:25.680 doesn't require

02:10:26.440 you to take

02:10:27.020 up arms

02:10:27.540 against your

02:10:28.180 evil overlords

02:10:29.320 and well

02:10:30.620 put them in

02:10:31.280 gulags

02:10:31.720 and kill them

02:10:32.300 by the

02:10:32.640 millions

02:10:33.020 for example

02:10:33.680 and that

02:10:34.400 to me

02:10:34.700 seems to

02:10:35.120 be an

02:10:35.340 important

02:10:35.640 difference

02:10:36.180 there's

02:10:37.540 there's

02:10:37.960 no

02:10:38.260 in

02:10:38.880 the

02:10:39.240 Judeo-Christian

02:10:39.920 tradition

02:10:40.460 there's

02:10:41.640 no

02:10:41.840 guilt

02:10:42.420 there's

02:10:42.980 no

02:10:43.140 group

02:10:43.620 guilt

02:10:44.200 right

02:10:45.180 you're

02:10:45.780 guilty

02:10:46.160 and you're

02:10:46.620 guilty

02:10:46.980 and of

02:10:47.860 different

02:10:48.140 things

02:10:48.680 I presume

02:10:49.820 and that's

02:10:51.680 your problem

02:10:52.300 but maybe

02:10:52.740 you're also

02:10:53.180 innocent

02:10:53.720 who knows

02:10:54.620 you know

02:10:54.940 but

02:10:55.140 whatever

02:10:55.980 it's on

02:10:57.360 you

02:10:57.740 it's not

02:10:59.200 a consequence

02:10:59.700 of your

02:11:00.200 racial heritage

02:11:00.980 or your

02:11:01.360 ethnicity

02:11:01.840 or your

02:11:02.400 gender

02:11:02.760 any of

02:11:03.220 those

02:11:03.440 things

02:11:03.720 it's

02:11:04.020 it's

02:11:04.400 between

02:11:04.680 you

02:11:05.000 and

02:11:05.180 God

02:11:05.620 let's

02:11:05.960 say

02:11:06.100 or

02:11:06.180 it's

02:11:06.280 between

02:11:06.520 you

02:11:06.700 and the

02:11:06.940 state

02:11:07.340 even

02:11:07.620 but at least

02:11:08.120 it's between

02:11:08.740 you and

02:11:10.240 the state

02:11:11.060 or God

02:11:11.900 it's not like

02:11:12.720 well you know

02:11:13.600 your father was a

02:11:15.200 factory owner

02:11:16.740 let's say your

02:11:17.620 grandfather

02:11:18.120 and so it was

02:11:19.180 perfectly reasonable

02:11:20.200 during the

02:11:21.340 Russian revolution

02:11:23.080 and the red terror

02:11:24.360 to vacuum you up

02:11:25.940 along with your

02:11:26.520 whole family

02:11:27.120 and do away with you

02:11:28.160 because you'd been

02:11:29.120 irredeemably

02:11:30.060 tainted by your

02:11:31.460 bourgeoisie

02:11:32.520 past

02:11:33.020 so that's

02:11:34.660 another place

02:11:35.960 where Marxism

02:11:37.020 and Judeo-Christianity

02:11:38.800 are

02:11:39.400 they're not just

02:11:40.740 different

02:11:41.600 like they're

02:11:42.980 opposite

02:11:43.740 you know

02:11:44.740 it's not just

02:11:45.340 variant one

02:11:46.680 and variant two

02:11:47.580 these are like

02:11:48.160 seriously different

02:11:49.500 ideas

02:11:50.060 and so

02:11:50.980 here's another

02:11:51.980 reason you can't

02:11:52.940 be a Marxist

02:11:53.720 and a Christian

02:11:54.380 as if you

02:11:55.240 and then there's

02:11:56.300 the idea that

02:11:57.060 you know

02:11:58.440 that Marx had

02:11:59.560 that religion

02:12:00.140 was the

02:12:00.980 opiate of the

02:12:01.860 masses

02:12:02.240 which doesn't

02:12:03.220 exactly sound

02:12:04.080 like

02:12:04.440 I've always

02:12:05.220 thought religion

02:12:05.900 was the opiate

02:12:06.620 of the masses

02:12:07.380 but communism

02:12:09.180 Marxism

02:12:09.940 was the

02:12:10.920 methamphetamine

02:12:13.220 of the

02:12:14.440 of the masses

02:12:16.040 let's say

02:12:16.800 yeah

02:12:17.360 the meth

02:12:18.720 of the masses

02:12:19.440 we would

02:12:20.640 we had no idea

02:12:21.920 with regards to

02:12:22.600 opiate

02:12:22.820 so here's what

02:12:23.340 Marx has to say

02:12:24.180 about religion

02:12:24.820 the abolition

02:12:25.620 of religion

02:12:26.300 as the

02:12:27.400 illusory

02:12:28.100 happiness

02:12:28.640 of the people

02:12:29.400 is the demand

02:12:30.600 for their real

02:12:31.340 happiness

02:12:31.880 to call on them

02:12:33.320 to give up

02:12:33.800 their illusions

02:12:34.660 about their

02:12:35.400 condition

02:12:35.980 is to call

02:12:37.680 on them

02:12:38.100 to give up

02:12:38.740 a condition

02:12:39.180 that requires

02:12:39.820 illusions

02:12:40.420 it's interesting

02:12:41.420 to me

02:12:41.800 because it's

02:12:42.240 not like

02:12:42.660 the Judeo-Christian

02:12:43.620 story was

02:12:44.220 really a happy

02:12:45.300 one

02:12:45.680 as far as

02:12:47.020 I can tell

02:12:47.660 you know

02:12:47.960 I mean

02:12:48.200 there was

02:12:48.600 heaven

02:12:48.940 but chances

02:12:49.880 you were

02:12:50.320 going to get

02:12:50.740 in

02:12:51.000 man

02:12:51.460 that was

02:12:51.860 low

02:12:52.280 and

02:12:53.080 mostly

02:12:54.700 it was

02:12:55.300 a fair bit

02:12:56.620 of original

02:12:57.120 sin

02:12:57.620 you know

02:12:58.460 and a fair bit

02:12:59.660 of you

02:13:00.140 wrestling

02:13:00.640 with all

02:13:01.460 of your

02:13:01.800 inadequacies

02:13:02.660 and your

02:13:03.200 proclivity

02:13:03.840 towards malevolence

02:13:05.200 to pick up

02:13:06.000 your cross

02:13:06.600 to bear

02:13:07.040 your suffering

02:13:07.720 to understand

02:13:08.480 that you know

02:13:09.220 there was a war

02:13:10.020 in your soul

02:13:10.980 between the forces

02:13:11.820 of good and evil

02:13:12.640 it's like

02:13:13.360 how that's an opiate

02:13:14.580 is beyond me

02:13:15.620 I mean

02:13:16.040 if I was going

02:13:16.580 to design an opiate

02:13:17.560 that made

02:13:18.040 people feel better

02:13:19.160 I'd certainly

02:13:19.680 dispense with a fair bit

02:13:20.820 of that

02:13:21.220 it's like

02:13:21.600 whatever you do

02:13:22.740 is okay

02:13:23.320 we could start

02:13:23.980 with that

02:13:24.400 there's certainly

02:13:24.920 no hell

02:13:25.620 that's something

02:13:27.120 we're going to get

02:13:27.800 rid of right away

02:13:28.540 a little less guilt

02:13:29.800 and shame

02:13:30.200 would be

02:13:30.520 it can be like

02:13:31.160 a hippie cult

02:13:31.900 in the 1960s

02:13:33.040 you know

02:13:33.280 with a little more

02:13:34.120 marijuana

02:13:34.700 and some free sex

02:13:35.820 something

02:13:36.240 something like that

02:13:37.480 so I don't really

02:13:38.540 understand

02:13:39.220 the illusion idea

02:13:41.180 there is

02:13:42.040 Marx's criticism

02:13:43.780 I suppose

02:13:44.260 of the belief

02:13:44.940 of you know

02:13:45.420 the great

02:13:45.900 the great father

02:13:46.900 in the sky

02:13:47.740 who

02:13:48.040 who

02:13:48.740 who still

02:13:49.820 doesn't seem to me

02:13:50.600 to be that

02:13:51.060 like

02:13:51.680 he's sort of

02:13:53.580 still kind of

02:13:54.160 a nightmarish creature

02:13:55.320 all things considered

02:13:56.320 since at least

02:13:57.080 in principle

02:13:57.600 he's keeping track

02:13:58.440 of everything you do

02:13:59.500 even more than you are

02:14:01.100 and that's not such

02:14:02.180 a good thing

02:14:02.620 but whatever

02:14:03.380 so it's a foolish

02:14:04.440 criticism

02:14:05.060 as far as I can tell

02:14:06.660 but doesn't matter

02:14:07.940 he still criticized it

02:14:09.180 the criticism of religion

02:14:10.580 is therefore

02:14:11.200 an embryo

02:14:11.880 the criticism

02:14:12.400 of that veil of tears

02:14:13.940 of which religion

02:14:14.960 is the halo

02:14:15.680 criticism

02:14:17.220 meaning his

02:14:18.300 has plucked

02:14:19.620 the imaginary flowers

02:14:20.900 on the chain

02:14:21.580 not in order

02:14:22.420 that man shall

02:14:23.140 continue to bear

02:14:24.000 that chain

02:14:24.600 without fantasy

02:14:25.540 or consolation

02:14:26.480 but so that he shall

02:14:27.640 throw off the chain

02:14:29.020 and pluck

02:14:29.820 the living flower

02:14:30.820 that's something

02:14:32.020 that plenty of Marxists

02:14:33.260 did

02:14:33.580 I can tell you

02:14:34.320 the criticism

02:14:35.480 of religion

02:14:36.220 disillusions man

02:14:37.660 so that he will

02:14:38.420 think

02:14:38.880 act

02:14:39.320 and fashion

02:14:40.040 his reality

02:14:41.060 like a man

02:14:41.960 who has discarded

02:14:42.800 his illusions

02:14:43.500 and regained

02:14:44.260 his senses

02:14:44.880 so that he will

02:14:45.920 move around himself

02:14:47.100 as his own

02:14:48.480 true son

02:14:49.360 s-u-n

02:14:51.140 yeah well that's

02:14:52.820 that's Marxism

02:14:53.780 in a nutshell

02:14:54.340 all right

02:14:55.000 I mean that's like

02:14:55.860 that's the fundamental

02:14:56.840 definition of

02:14:57.860 pathological narcissism

02:15:00.240 so that he will

02:15:01.420 move around himself

02:15:02.560 as his own

02:15:03.600 true son

02:15:04.540 right

02:15:05.520 religion is only

02:15:06.840 the illusory son

02:15:08.400 which revolves around

02:15:09.400 man as long as

02:15:10.280 he does not

02:15:10.980 revolve

02:15:12.060 around himself

02:15:13.520 and you know

02:15:14.820 generally

02:15:15.240 don't we use that

02:15:16.280 as an insult

02:15:16.940 he only revolves

02:15:18.180 around himself

02:15:19.020 isn't that an insult

02:15:20.200 and isn't there

02:15:20.880 a reason for that

02:15:21.940 don't we assume

02:15:22.720 that there's something

02:15:23.400 that you should be

02:15:24.080 revolving around

02:15:25.080 that isn't just

02:15:26.180 yourself

02:15:26.820 you know

02:15:27.980 it's

02:15:28.440 it's

02:15:28.760 it's

02:15:29.100 and it could be

02:15:29.900 many things

02:15:30.660 you know

02:15:30.920 it could be

02:15:31.400 well someone you love

02:15:32.420 that would be a start

02:15:33.380 could be a child

02:15:34.260 could be your

02:15:35.120 your partner in life

02:15:36.580 it could be

02:15:37.500 it could be your

02:15:38.180 your family

02:15:39.080 in extension

02:15:39.980 could be your community

02:15:41.240 it could be some

02:15:41.940 noble ideal

02:15:42.880 that you're trying

02:15:43.560 to serve

02:15:44.160 it should be something

02:15:45.220 other than you

02:15:46.660 as the primary

02:15:48.160 center of the universe

02:15:50.120 around which

02:15:51.000 well you

02:15:51.760 and presumably

02:15:52.620 everything else

02:15:53.520 revolves

02:15:54.080 so I don't really

02:15:55.160 see that as a

02:15:56.080 particularly wise

02:15:57.380 what would you call it

02:15:59.460 philosophy

02:15:59.920 and as it manifested

02:16:01.400 itself in the world

02:16:02.460 you know I would say

02:16:04.100 Stalin probably

02:16:05.280 revolved around himself

02:16:06.400 quite nicely

02:16:07.120 since

02:16:07.560 and don't you

02:16:08.900 think

02:16:09.200 I mean

02:16:09.520 if you had to

02:16:10.720 pick someone

02:16:11.440 who was revolving

02:16:12.940 around himself

02:16:13.700 it would be a

02:16:15.120 pretty decent

02:16:15.820 competition between

02:16:16.900 Mao and Stalin

02:16:17.760 and

02:16:18.060 and

02:16:18.680 and

02:16:19.060 and that didn't

02:16:20.120 seem to be

02:16:20.700 that didn't seem

02:16:21.460 to be for the best

02:16:22.340 so

02:16:22.780 so that's something

02:16:23.700 to consider as well

02:16:24.780 the Marxists

02:16:27.060 believe that religion

02:16:27.940 hindered human development

02:16:29.180 and the Soviets

02:16:30.260 and the Maoists

02:16:31.060 instituted state

02:16:32.160 atheism

02:16:32.780 apart from the worship

02:16:34.180 of their leaders

02:16:34.940 of course

02:16:35.480 and then I'm going

02:16:37.160 to read you a poem

02:16:37.900 by Marx

02:16:38.560 this is a good one

02:16:39.440 I found this a while

02:16:40.360 back

02:16:40.800 god

02:16:42.260 it's a rough poem

02:16:43.420 and you know

02:16:45.220 you want to

02:16:45.920 you want to let

02:16:46.400 your imagination

02:16:47.100 sort of

02:16:47.920 I would say

02:16:49.380 let your imagination

02:16:50.360 loose with

02:16:51.460 with this poem

02:16:52.460 which is what you

02:16:53.160 should do with a poem

02:16:54.060 and imagine

02:16:55.240 the sort of state of mind

02:16:56.440 that you have to be

02:16:57.220 into write a poem

02:16:58.140 like this

02:16:58.740 and then also imagine

02:17:00.000 as you should

02:17:01.060 that poetry

02:17:02.120 like dreams

02:17:03.080 are the birth

02:17:03.660 it's the birthplace

02:17:04.700 of thought

02:17:05.200 with my undergraduates

02:17:06.460 often

02:17:06.820 especially ones

02:17:07.520 that are really

02:17:08.060 obsessed with ideas

02:17:09.780 they'll often put

02:17:11.120 really bad poetry

02:17:12.260 in their essays

02:17:13.780 and I'm not saying

02:17:15.600 that in a

02:17:16.320 cynical way

02:17:17.720 because bad poetry

02:17:19.300 can have good ideas

02:17:20.520 in it

02:17:20.840 it's hard to write

02:17:21.720 good poetry

02:17:22.360 you know

02:17:22.760 but the thing is

02:17:24.320 often an idea

02:17:25.200 that's extraordinarily

02:17:26.200 emotional in content

02:17:28.180 will manifest itself

02:17:30.140 as a poem

02:17:30.780 before it is able

02:17:31.700 to articulate itself

02:17:32.980 out into a

02:17:33.760 fully expressed philosophy

02:17:35.380 and so

02:17:35.760 I see this

02:17:36.620 with my undergraduates

02:17:37.600 they'll really be

02:17:38.400 obsessed with something

02:17:39.380 that's bothering them

02:17:40.160 then they'll write

02:17:40.680 some poem

02:17:41.340 often about a personal

02:17:42.480 experience

02:17:43.040 and then

02:17:43.380 as I help them

02:17:44.420 shape the essay

02:17:45.140 they kind of

02:17:45.840 unfold the poem

02:17:47.280 into an articulated statement

02:17:49.380 about the structure

02:17:50.180 of reality

02:17:50.780 and so

02:17:51.580 you could say

02:17:52.320 well

02:17:52.600 you know

02:17:53.200 we're all embedded

02:17:53.920 in the dream

02:17:54.760 we know that

02:17:55.800 you go to sleep

02:17:57.220 every night

02:17:57.680 and you dream

02:17:58.380 you're embedded

02:17:59.020 in your imagination

02:17:59.780 if you're

02:18:01.080 forbidden to dream

02:18:03.300 if you're deprived

02:18:04.420 of your dreams

02:18:05.700 you will lose your mind

02:18:07.640 that's been

02:18:08.480 experimentally demonstrated

02:18:09.900 quite nicely

02:18:10.580 on animals

02:18:11.380 but also on human beings

02:18:12.740 you have to dream

02:18:13.980 you have to enter

02:18:15.020 that realm

02:18:16.200 of incoherent imagination

02:18:18.420 and possibility

02:18:19.140 in order to maintain

02:18:20.220 your sanity

02:18:20.860 which is extraordinarily

02:18:21.800 interesting

02:18:22.480 and very strange

02:18:23.340 and I would say

02:18:24.280 poetry exists

02:18:25.320 on the border

02:18:26.140 between the dream

02:18:27.920 and fully articulate

02:18:30.000 wakefulness

02:18:30.580 it's the place

02:18:32.900 where the image

02:18:33.580 of the dream

02:18:34.220 meets the articulated speech

02:18:39.160 of full consciousness

02:18:40.160 and so you can think

02:18:41.820 about that

02:18:42.260 with regards

02:18:42.780 to this poem

02:18:43.480 invocation of one

02:18:46.380 in despair

02:18:47.060 so a god

02:18:50.720 has snatched

02:18:51.300 from me

02:18:51.780 all

02:18:52.300 my all

02:18:53.380 in the curse

02:18:55.620 and rack

02:18:56.140 of destiny

02:18:56.960 all his worlds

02:18:58.940 are gone

02:18:59.440 beyond recall

02:19:00.380 nothing but revenge

02:19:02.440 is left to me

02:19:04.260 on myself

02:19:07.580 revenge

02:19:08.280 all proudly wreak

02:19:09.480 on that being

02:19:11.920 that enthroned

02:19:12.960 lord

02:19:13.760 make my strength

02:19:15.760 a patchwork

02:19:16.580 of what's weak

02:19:17.420 leave my better self

02:19:19.180 without reward

02:19:20.580 I shall build

02:19:23.060 my throne

02:19:24.000 high overhead

02:19:25.520 cold

02:19:27.080 tremendous

02:19:28.240 shall it

02:19:28.900 summit be

02:19:29.780 for its bulwark

02:19:32.480 superstitious dread

02:19:35.280 for its marshal

02:19:37.560 blackest agony

02:19:40.320 who looks upon it

02:19:43.280 with a healthy eye

02:19:44.380 shall turn back

02:19:45.640 struck deathly

02:19:47.060 pale and dumb

02:19:48.220 clutched by blind

02:19:49.860 and chill mortality

02:19:51.160 may his happiness

02:19:53.100 prepare its tomb

02:19:54.760 and the almighty's

02:19:58.380 lightning

02:19:58.760 shall rebound

02:19:59.740 from that

02:20:00.320 massive

02:20:01.080 iron giant

02:20:02.300 if he brings

02:20:07.360 my walls

02:20:08.000 and towers

02:20:08.560 down

02:20:09.120 eternity

02:20:10.360 shall raise

02:20:11.180 them up

02:20:11.760 defiant

02:20:13.480 well I would say

02:20:16.640 that's the sort

02:20:17.380 of poem

02:20:17.820 that would be

02:20:18.440 written by

02:20:19.020 someone who

02:20:20.760 revolved around

02:20:22.680 himself as his

02:20:24.080 own true son

02:20:25.480 and I would also

02:20:27.160 say that given

02:20:28.180 what we know

02:20:29.240 about what happened

02:20:30.180 as a consequence

02:20:31.000 of the instantiation

02:20:33.440 of Marxist doctrine

02:20:34.560 that this is a truly

02:20:35.720 horrifying piece of

02:20:37.860 literature

02:20:38.220 to contemplate

02:20:40.120 written by the way

02:20:41.360 when Marx was

02:20:42.060 rather young

02:20:42.780 so then the question

02:20:45.060 came to me

02:20:45.800 do I believe

02:20:47.580 in God

02:20:48.120 and I don't

02:20:50.480 like that question

02:20:51.520 and people

02:20:53.500 have complained

02:20:54.420 at me a lot

02:20:55.240 and I'm sure

02:20:56.180 they have their

02:20:56.720 reasons because

02:20:57.420 they don't like

02:20:58.360 my answers

02:20:58.980 you know

02:20:59.440 and I have

02:21:00.200 two answers

02:21:00.980 they've kind of

02:21:02.700 become stock

02:21:03.480 which is not a

02:21:04.180 good thing

02:21:04.700 but they're the

02:21:06.800 best approximately

02:21:07.440 I can't figure out

02:21:09.000 why I don't like

02:21:09.700 the question

02:21:10.260 exactly

02:21:10.820 I've got

02:21:11.980 three

02:21:12.460 I had three

02:21:14.360 sort of

02:21:15.100 burgeoning

02:21:16.320 hypotheses

02:21:17.000 one was

02:21:18.140 it's none of

02:21:19.000 your damn

02:21:19.480 business

02:21:20.060 that's the first

02:21:21.140 one

02:21:21.400 so it's like

02:21:21.960 a privacy issue

02:21:22.960 like it seemed

02:21:23.480 to me to be

02:21:24.020 a question

02:21:24.480 that was too

02:21:25.000 private to be

02:21:25.980 answered

02:21:26.700 properly

02:21:27.920 and so

02:21:29.040 and you know

02:21:29.740 you could consider

02:21:30.400 that a cop-out

02:21:31.140 maybe it is

02:21:32.020 and then

02:21:32.740 another one

02:21:34.280 was

02:21:34.700 well what do

02:21:36.480 you mean by

02:21:37.000 believe

02:21:37.620 like do you

02:21:39.280 mean the words

02:21:40.300 do you mean

02:21:41.000 to say the words

02:21:42.620 I believe in God

02:21:43.860 does that indicate

02:21:44.960 that you believe

02:21:45.580 in God

02:21:46.020 like I don't know

02:21:46.560 what you mean

02:21:47.040 by believe

02:21:47.880 exactly

02:21:48.500 because

02:21:48.940 and that's got me

02:21:50.460 in trouble too

02:21:51.100 because you know

02:21:52.000 people think

02:21:52.660 that attempting

02:21:53.280 to clarify

02:21:53.960 the meaning of words

02:21:55.040 is an attempt

02:21:55.660 to escape

02:21:56.200 from the question

02:21:56.960 when it's actually

02:21:57.740 an attempt

02:21:58.200 to specify

02:21:58.820 the question

02:21:59.400 I mean

02:21:59.620 is what you believe

02:22:00.920 what you say

02:22:01.840 or what you act out

02:22:03.880 now you know

02:22:05.380 I would say

02:22:05.920 to some degree

02:22:06.540 it's both

02:22:07.160 but if push

02:22:08.000 comes to shove

02:22:08.780 as far as I'm concerned

02:22:09.880 what you believe

02:22:10.940 is what you act out

02:22:11.940 not what you say

02:22:12.920 and then you know

02:22:13.880 and if you're an

02:22:14.440 integrated person

02:22:15.300 then what you act out

02:22:16.360 and what you say

02:22:17.060 are the same thing

02:22:18.480 and then you're a person

02:22:20.140 whose word can be trusted

02:22:21.800 right

02:22:22.400 because what you say

02:22:23.700 and what you do

02:22:24.340 are isomorphic

02:22:25.380 they're the same thing

02:22:26.360 but belief is

02:22:28.560 instantiated in action

02:22:30.100 so I have also

02:22:32.140 suggested that

02:22:33.600 I act

02:22:34.920 as if I believe in God

02:22:36.900 or to the best

02:22:38.200 of my ability

02:22:38.860 and people aren't

02:22:40.720 very happy

02:22:41.140 with that either

02:22:41.840 but

02:22:42.120 and then the third

02:22:43.440 is that I'm afraid

02:22:45.540 that he might exist

02:22:46.720 which I think

02:22:47.540 is the most comical

02:22:48.480 of the three answers

02:22:49.440 and perhaps

02:22:50.220 the most accurate one

02:22:51.440 but then

02:22:52.260 but then

02:22:54.080 I was thinking

02:22:55.340 about this today

02:22:56.100 when I was thinking

02:22:56.820 about what I might

02:22:57.440 talk to you guys about

02:22:58.420 and I thought

02:22:58.860 well let's go into

02:23:00.040 this a little bit more

02:23:01.160 let's say you say

02:23:03.840 you do believe in God

02:23:05.040 say I believe in God

02:23:07.400 it's like

02:23:07.920 okay well that's

02:23:10.300 hypothetically pretty impressive

02:23:11.680 I would say

02:23:12.540 it's like

02:23:13.040 you believe that

02:23:14.100 there's a divine power

02:23:15.740 that oversees everything

02:23:17.900 that is fundamentally ethical

02:23:19.660 that's watching everything

02:23:20.740 you do

02:23:21.240 and

02:23:21.420 and you believe that

02:23:23.400 and so

02:23:23.880 what effect does that have

02:23:26.540 on your behavior

02:23:27.740 if you believe it

02:23:29.260 does that mean

02:23:30.860 that you're

02:23:31.440 well are you

02:23:34.240 are you all in

02:23:35.640 on your beliefs

02:23:37.040 are you

02:23:37.560 sacrificing everything

02:23:39.340 to this transcendent entity

02:23:41.220 that you proclaim

02:23:42.460 belief in

02:23:43.460 have you

02:23:43.840 cleansed yourself

02:23:45.320 of all your sin

02:23:46.540 let's say

02:23:47.200 are you

02:23:47.580 making all the sacrifices

02:23:49.260 that you need to make

02:23:50.380 like have you taken

02:23:51.640 the moat out of your eye

02:23:53.020 no

02:23:53.980 or

02:23:55.360 or

02:23:55.660 or

02:23:55.940 are you in the same situation

02:23:57.920 let's say

02:23:58.420 that the Catholic Church

02:23:59.440 seems to be in right now

02:24:00.720 just out of curiosity

02:24:02.560 a good time to bring that up

02:24:03.640 since the Pope

02:24:04.260 seems to be concerned

02:24:05.600 with what's been happening

02:24:07.300 with the Catholic Church

02:24:09.200 given

02:24:09.560 the endless

02:24:10.960 pedophilic scandals

02:24:12.980 let's say

02:24:13.780 which seem

02:24:14.820 rather serious

02:24:15.640 in my estimation

02:24:16.720 and

02:24:17.020 might have been something

02:24:18.340 that was cleaned up

02:24:19.400 perhaps

02:24:19.980 a hundred

02:24:21.540 or a thousand years ago

02:24:23.900 and

02:24:24.900 it's being taken seriously

02:24:26.480 perhaps now

02:24:28.200 and perhaps not

02:24:29.120 because it's not so easy

02:24:30.180 to determine exactly

02:24:31.580 what it would mean

02:24:32.220 to take that seriously

02:24:33.720 and you might say

02:24:34.740 well

02:24:34.980 are all the people

02:24:36.000 who are committing

02:24:37.020 these heinous actions

02:24:38.420 and then covering them up

02:24:40.140 are

02:24:40.620 if you ask them

02:24:41.680 well

02:24:42.020 do you believe in God

02:24:43.440 what are they going to say

02:24:44.720 well

02:24:45.000 you'd think

02:24:46.340 the answer would be yes

02:24:47.820 given that they're

02:24:49.060 like

02:24:49.380 priests

02:24:51.240 and

02:24:52.300 and yet

02:24:53.340 and yet

02:24:57.060 what's the evidence

02:24:59.240 well the evidence

02:25:01.300 isn't exactly so clear

02:25:02.680 that

02:25:03.640 the mere statement

02:25:05.600 let's say

02:25:06.100 or the mere acting

02:25:07.140 out of the ritual

02:25:08.160 let's say

02:25:08.680 and I'm not

02:25:09.800 trying to denigrate

02:25:10.920 the statement

02:25:11.460 or the ritual

02:25:12.160 but I'm

02:25:12.880 pointing out

02:25:13.480 that that's no indication

02:25:15.040 of

02:25:15.400 your right

02:25:16.740 to say

02:25:17.320 that you believe

02:25:18.380 because

02:25:18.960 you got it

02:25:19.600 and I think

02:25:19.960 this is why

02:25:20.600 it's bothered me

02:25:21.380 to answer this question

02:25:22.340 it's like

02:25:22.720 what right do I have

02:25:24.040 to say that

02:25:24.900 to make that claim

02:25:25.900 I believe in God

02:25:26.960 well what's the claim

02:25:27.760 is that the claim

02:25:28.520 that I'm a good person

02:25:29.600 somehow

02:25:30.040 because you'd think

02:25:31.340 that if you believed

02:25:32.040 in God

02:25:32.580 actually

02:25:33.420 like

02:25:35.540 like seriously

02:25:37.260 that you'd be

02:25:38.680 a good person

02:25:39.320 like

02:25:39.540 right now

02:25:40.760 because

02:25:41.300 well

02:25:42.040 well for obvious reasons

02:25:44.180 I would think

02:25:45.160 and so

02:25:45.540 if that hasn't happened

02:25:46.840 in some sort of

02:25:47.860 miraculous sense

02:25:49.100 so that you're

02:25:50.000 the best person

02:25:50.940 you could possibly

02:25:51.780 imagine being

02:25:52.700 on an ongoing basis

02:25:54.200 and then terrified

02:25:55.660 of deviating

02:25:57.080 from that path

02:25:57.940 in a serious manner

02:25:59.160 then

02:26:00.020 I don't see

02:26:01.100 why you have

02:26:01.700 the right to say

02:26:02.440 that you believe

02:26:03.120 in God

02:26:03.600 you know

02:26:04.140 one of the things

02:26:04.700 Nietzsche said

02:26:05.300 about Christianity

02:26:06.080 he was a great

02:26:06.620 critic of Christianity

02:26:07.660 although also

02:26:09.140 a great friend

02:26:09.880 in a very peculiar way

02:26:11.280 in that

02:26:12.700 sometimes

02:26:13.460 your best friend

02:26:14.220 is the one

02:26:14.640 who points out

02:26:15.260 your weakest

02:26:16.380 properties

02:26:18.640 let's say

02:26:19.340 he said

02:26:20.140 as far as

02:26:20.500 he was concerned

02:26:21.120 there was

02:26:21.480 only one Christian

02:26:22.500 and he died

02:26:23.100 on the cross

02:26:23.840 and that's

02:26:25.140 that's a

02:26:25.640 you know

02:26:26.120 perhaps an extreme

02:26:27.280 statement

02:26:27.720 but one worth

02:26:28.480 giving some

02:26:29.020 consideration to

02:26:29.840 it's like

02:26:30.260 well then you look

02:26:31.400 at what are you

02:26:32.100 called upon

02:26:32.980 let's say

02:26:34.400 if you're going

02:26:34.960 to proclaim

02:26:35.860 yourself as a believer

02:26:37.060 you know

02:26:37.500 and I thought

02:26:38.760 about this a lot

02:26:39.500 as I've gone

02:26:40.540 through the Old Testament

02:26:41.460 I did a bunch

02:26:42.120 of lectures last year

02:26:43.260 and so what

02:26:43.880 are you called upon

02:26:44.720 well you're called

02:26:45.820 upon initially

02:26:46.660 to act out

02:26:49.500 the spark of divinity

02:26:50.900 that's within you

02:26:51.740 by confronting

02:26:52.500 potential

02:26:53.540 with the logos

02:26:55.140 that's within you

02:26:56.240 which means to

02:26:57.460 take the opportunities

02:26:59.820 that are in front of you

02:27:01.040 the potential future

02:27:02.800 and to transform it

02:27:04.220 into the present

02:27:05.020 in the best possible way

02:27:06.760 using truth

02:27:08.420 and courage

02:27:09.020 and careful articulation

02:27:11.200 as your guide

02:27:16.240 so that's the first

02:27:17.660 thing you're called

02:27:18.260 on to do

02:27:18.820 that's a major

02:27:20.340 deal there

02:27:21.780 that's a tough one

02:27:22.820 and then the second

02:27:24.100 is to make

02:27:24.820 the proper sacrifices

02:27:25.940 that's the Cain

02:27:27.220 and Abel story

02:27:28.020 is like

02:27:28.460 you want something

02:27:29.880 you genuinely want it

02:27:31.360 you want to set

02:27:31.940 the world straight

02:27:32.620 then you let go

02:27:33.440 of what's necessary

02:27:34.340 and you pursue

02:27:35.180 you let go of

02:27:36.400 what isn't necessary

02:27:37.500 no matter what it is

02:27:38.960 no matter what it is

02:27:40.480 and then you pursue

02:27:41.700 what's necessary

02:27:42.500 and then maybe you

02:27:43.540 sacrifice your children

02:27:44.660 to God

02:27:45.280 that was the story

02:27:46.820 that's one of the next

02:27:49.100 stories that comes up

02:27:50.020 of course

02:27:50.440 and you think

02:27:50.880 well that's pretty damn

02:27:51.760 barbaric

02:27:52.400 and the way the story

02:27:53.460 is laid out

02:27:54.020 of course it is

02:27:54.840 but that isn't

02:27:57.120 exactly what it means

02:27:58.160 it means that

02:27:58.880 what you try to do

02:28:00.000 when you raise children

02:28:00.880 is that you try to do

02:28:01.940 everything you can

02:28:02.920 to impress upon them

02:28:04.840 by imitation

02:28:06.160 and by instruction

02:28:07.480 and by love

02:28:08.880 and by encouragement

02:28:09.940 that they are

02:28:11.320 crucial beings

02:28:13.380 in the world

02:28:14.500 whose ethical decisions

02:28:16.600 play an important role

02:28:18.100 in shaping the structure

02:28:19.320 of reality itself

02:28:20.320 and that they have

02:28:21.040 the moral responsibility

02:28:22.040 to do that

02:28:22.780 and you get your

02:28:23.920 ark in order

02:28:25.540 that's your family

02:28:26.780 let's say

02:28:27.640 so that when the storms come

02:28:29.080 you can stay above water

02:28:30.660 for the 40 days of flooding

02:28:32.100 and you're capable of

02:28:33.640 leading your people

02:28:34.760 through the desert

02:28:35.600 when the desert

02:28:36.380 makes itself manifest

02:28:37.660 and you can escape

02:28:38.960 from tyranny properly

02:28:40.240 because you're wise enough

02:28:41.280 to see it

02:28:42.000 and you take the full burden

02:28:44.140 of being on yourself

02:28:45.320 all the suffering

02:28:46.300 that's part and parcel

02:28:48.020 of that

02:28:48.480 you accept that voluntarily

02:28:50.000 let's say

02:28:51.200 and you do everything you can

02:28:53.000 to confront the malevolence

02:28:54.460 that's part of you

02:28:55.300 and that's part of the state

02:28:56.520 and that's part of the world

02:28:57.640 and you make a garden

02:29:01.020 around you

02:29:01.760 that's the paradise

02:29:02.780 a walled garden

02:29:03.720 it's a well watered place

02:29:05.660 so the forces of nature

02:29:06.800 and society

02:29:07.900 exist together in harmony

02:29:09.400 and you place your family

02:29:10.680 in that

02:29:11.040 so that they can live properly

02:29:12.460 and you treat your enemy

02:29:14.100 as if he's yourself

02:29:15.520 and the same with your brother

02:29:16.800 and

02:29:17.760 well then you can say

02:29:19.980 then maybe you can say

02:29:23.460 maybe then you have

02:29:25.520 the right to say

02:29:26.420 that you believe in God

02:29:28.960 otherwise

02:29:30.480 maybe

02:29:31.720 you should think twice about it

02:29:34.300 because

02:29:35.580 you know there's a line

02:29:38.960 in the New Testament

02:29:39.660 that Christ himself says

02:29:41.040 two of them

02:29:41.820 I should read them too

02:29:42.760 because they're very relevant

02:29:43.980 to this

02:29:44.420 I guess I could paraphrase

02:29:46.440 paraphrase them

02:29:47.340 a rich man comes up to

02:29:50.120 Christ and says

02:29:51.800 and says

02:29:53.200 good

02:29:54.320 good leader

02:29:55.620 good lord

02:29:56.280 and he asks him a question

02:29:57.680 about how it is

02:29:58.440 that he should be a good person

02:30:00.140 and Christ says

02:30:01.380 don't call me good

02:30:02.640 there's no one

02:30:03.520 that's good but God

02:30:04.720 and you know

02:30:05.940 that's worth thinking about

02:30:08.180 I mean

02:30:08.640 the one person

02:30:11.740 that in principle

02:30:14.740 in our ancient stories

02:30:17.220 had the right

02:30:18.500 to make some direct connection

02:30:21.360 between himself

02:30:22.180 and the divine

02:30:23.160 was unwilling

02:30:24.700 to do it

02:30:25.460 when challenged

02:30:26.440 and so

02:30:27.500 it might be reasonable

02:30:28.580 to assume that

02:30:29.480 each of us

02:30:30.700 could be much more cautious

02:30:32.240 about

02:30:32.740 making that sort of statement

02:30:34.940 bluntly

02:30:35.860 when we're asked

02:30:36.700 and then

02:30:38.780 the other line is

02:30:40.180 not all those

02:30:42.200 who say

02:30:42.660 lord lord

02:30:43.340 will enter the kingdom

02:30:44.440 of heaven

02:30:45.020 got that about right

02:30:46.640 which means

02:30:47.580 something approximating

02:30:49.060 just because you

02:30:51.020 make a claim

02:30:51.960 to moral virtue

02:30:55.620 let's say

02:30:56.740 your belief in God

02:30:59.080 which I think

02:31:00.200 I can't see

02:31:01.140 how you can make

02:31:02.760 a higher claim

02:31:03.820 to moral virtue

02:31:04.760 than that

02:31:05.540 you know

02:31:06.160 I mean

02:31:06.460 agnostic

02:31:07.440 atheistic

02:31:08.140 I don't really care

02:31:09.200 the purpose

02:31:10.480 the point is

02:31:11.460 something like this

02:31:12.440 imagine something

02:31:13.400 of ultimate

02:31:14.340 transcendent value

02:31:15.780 I don't care

02:31:16.480 whether you believe

02:31:17.080 in it or not

02:31:17.660 but imagine

02:31:18.500 that something

02:31:18.940 like that exists

02:31:19.820 and then you swear

02:31:21.280 allegiance to it

02:31:22.540 which is to say

02:31:23.220 I believe in this

02:31:24.400 I mean

02:31:25.100 there's a heavy

02:31:26.060 moral burden

02:31:26.820 that comes along

02:31:27.600 with that

02:31:28.040 just to allow

02:31:29.240 yourself to utter

02:31:30.300 the words

02:31:30.820 without feeling

02:31:31.880 that you should be

02:31:32.540 immediately struck

02:31:33.800 down appropriately

02:31:34.860 by lightning

02:31:35.660 and so

02:31:36.960 well and so

02:31:40.020 I think

02:31:40.560 that's why

02:31:41.100 that question

02:31:41.720 makes me

02:31:42.180 uncomfortable

02:31:42.720 it's that

02:31:45.340 I don't think

02:31:46.100 I have a

02:31:46.640 I don't think

02:31:48.140 I have a right

02:31:48.680 to make that

02:31:49.320 proclamation

02:31:49.900 there's another

02:31:50.480 thing too

02:31:50.980 that I learned

02:31:51.520 when I was going

02:31:52.100 through these

02:31:52.480 biblical lectures

02:31:53.260 it was a fascinating

02:31:54.160 thing to do

02:31:54.960 was the story

02:31:56.860 of Jacob

02:31:57.420 who became Israel

02:31:58.400 and Jacob

02:31:58.900 was a real

02:31:59.400 trickster

02:31:59.960 you know

02:32:00.320 he was a morally

02:32:01.640 ambiguous figure

02:32:02.800 to put it

02:32:03.820 mildly

02:32:04.440 I mean

02:32:04.880 he tricked

02:32:05.700 his older brother

02:32:06.500 out of his

02:32:07.220 birthright

02:32:08.980 and he was

02:32:09.560 full of tricks

02:32:10.240 and he had a lot

02:32:11.180 of tricks played

02:32:11.740 on him too

02:32:12.240 and maybe learned

02:32:13.040 something as a

02:32:13.580 consequence

02:32:13.960 anyways

02:32:14.560 after running

02:32:16.600 away from his

02:32:17.280 brother who had

02:32:18.000 murderous thoughts

02:32:18.860 and for good

02:32:19.380 reasons for

02:32:20.000 like about 20

02:32:21.080 years

02:32:21.600 maybe it was

02:32:22.440 only 14

02:32:23.140 but doesn't

02:32:23.920 matter

02:32:24.200 it was a long

02:32:24.880 time

02:32:25.240 he decided

02:32:26.320 that he would

02:32:26.780 go back

02:32:27.340 and try to

02:32:27.960 make peace

02:32:28.500 and he came

02:32:29.540 to this river

02:32:30.060 he sent his

02:32:30.620 family across

02:32:31.320 the river

02:32:31.780 along with

02:32:32.600 his belongings

02:32:33.500 and partly

02:32:35.520 as an offering

02:32:36.280 to his brother

02:32:37.240 a peace offering

02:32:38.020 and he had

02:32:38.460 a dream

02:32:39.600 dream

02:32:40.520 visionary

02:32:41.260 experience

02:32:42.140 hallucination

02:32:43.440 God

02:32:44.320 who knows

02:32:44.860 what it

02:32:45.160 was

02:32:45.460 and he

02:32:46.280 dreamt

02:32:46.680 that he

02:32:47.080 wrestled

02:32:48.340 with an

02:32:48.880 angel

02:32:49.360 all night

02:32:50.200 and that

02:32:50.880 the angel

02:32:51.460 was God

02:32:52.140 and God

02:32:53.900 he won

02:32:55.200 which is

02:32:56.680 very strange

02:32:57.560 because

02:32:58.360 well first

02:32:59.420 of all

02:32:59.740 he was a

02:33:00.680 trickster

02:33:01.140 figure

02:33:01.580 you know

02:33:02.020 like

02:33:02.300 he wasn't

02:33:04.220 your most

02:33:04.800 upstanding

02:33:05.480 moral creature

02:33:06.600 he wasn't

02:33:07.280 Noah for

02:33:07.940 example

02:33:08.400 and second

02:33:09.560 well it

02:33:10.320 was God

02:33:11.120 you know

02:33:11.640 it's like

02:33:12.400 if you're

02:33:12.920 going to

02:33:13.100 wrestle with

02:33:13.620 someone

02:33:14.060 and lose

02:33:15.560 there's an

02:33:17.940 opponent that's

02:33:18.660 likely to

02:33:19.160 take you

02:33:19.600 out

02:33:19.920 and he

02:33:21.440 did damage

02:33:22.040 his hip

02:33:22.520 so

02:33:23.700 which is

02:33:24.280 not that

02:33:25.680 impressive

02:33:26.080 an accomplishment

02:33:26.820 on God's

02:33:27.480 part

02:33:27.760 in my

02:33:28.080 estimation

02:33:28.620 but

02:33:28.920 but

02:33:30.760 and it's

02:33:32.300 a very

02:33:32.580 interesting

02:33:33.080 story

02:33:33.600 because

02:33:33.940 what it

02:33:34.880 does

02:33:35.140 indicate

02:33:35.620 what's

02:33:35.900 so cool

02:33:36.320 about it

02:33:36.560 you see

02:33:36.780 Jacob's

02:33:37.360 name

02:33:37.600 is changed

02:33:38.200 at that

02:33:38.580 point

02:33:38.800 to Israel

02:33:39.380 and Israel

02:33:40.880 means

02:33:41.280 those who

02:33:41.860 wrestle

02:33:42.180 with God

02:33:42.900 and that

02:33:43.720 blew me

02:33:45.300 a little

02:33:45.520 one of the

02:33:46.160 things I

02:33:46.460 love about

02:33:46.880 studying old

02:33:47.480 stories

02:33:47.860 is now

02:33:48.240 and then

02:33:48.480 you come

02:33:48.800 across a

02:33:49.300 piece of

02:33:49.820 one

02:33:50.080 and you

02:33:50.900 see in

02:33:52.020 and into

02:33:52.520 it

02:33:52.700 you know

02:33:52.940 you see

02:33:53.500 down into

02:33:54.020 the depths

02:33:54.720 that characterizes

02:33:56.560 it's very

02:33:57.020 difficult

02:33:57.420 but it

02:33:57.760 happens

02:33:58.040 sometimes

02:33:58.500 and it

02:33:59.040 just

02:33:59.240 flattens

02:34:01.320 you

02:34:01.600 you know

02:34:02.180 to think

02:34:02.700 that

02:34:02.960 if Israel

02:34:04.580 is the

02:34:05.100 chosen people

02:34:08.080 of God

02:34:08.740 that's the

02:34:09.420 hypothesis

02:34:10.000 and what

02:34:11.320 Israel means

02:34:12.020 is those

02:34:12.500 who wrestle

02:34:13.020 with God

02:34:13.620 then think

02:34:14.320 that gives

02:34:15.160 that seems

02:34:15.940 to me

02:34:16.220 to be

02:34:16.420 such a

02:34:16.780 hopeful

02:34:17.140 idea

02:34:17.680 because

02:34:18.080 well

02:34:18.880 everyone

02:34:19.280 does that

02:34:20.020 to some

02:34:20.940 degree

02:34:21.340 I mean

02:34:21.680 you do

02:34:22.540 that in

02:34:22.940 your life

02:34:23.420 because

02:34:23.760 well you

02:34:24.440 don't know

02:34:25.140 what's

02:34:26.120 a fundamental

02:34:27.160 transcendent

02:34:27.980 worth

02:34:28.400 you know

02:34:29.080 because

02:34:29.280 who the

02:34:29.600 hell

02:34:29.760 are you

02:34:30.100 and what

02:34:30.420 do you

02:34:30.640 know

02:34:30.980 you know

02:34:31.400 you're

02:34:31.640 struggling

02:34:32.500 all the

02:34:33.020 time

02:34:33.440 with

02:34:33.980 well I

02:34:35.180 would say

02:34:35.500 with good

02:34:35.920 and evil

02:34:36.320 when you're

02:34:37.060 struggling

02:34:37.360 with yourself

02:34:38.000 you're struggling

02:34:38.580 with the

02:34:38.960 world

02:34:39.280 to portray

02:34:40.740 that as

02:34:41.280 wrestling

02:34:41.740 with God

02:34:42.620 that's

02:34:43.240 perfectly

02:34:43.620 reasonable

02:34:44.220 from a

02:34:44.660 metaphoric

02:34:45.340 perspective

02:34:45.900 and the

02:34:47.860 idea that

02:34:48.400 that's what

02:34:49.280 characterizes

02:34:50.180 the true

02:34:51.000 people of

02:34:52.080 God

02:34:52.520 is that

02:34:53.320 willingness

02:34:53.820 to wrestle

02:34:54.820 that's

02:34:55.500 really

02:34:55.880 something

02:34:56.440 because

02:34:56.840 it

02:34:57.280 kind of

02:34:58.900 indicates

02:34:59.320 that you're

02:34:59.760 here as

02:35:00.100 a contender

02:35:00.900 you know

02:35:01.400 you're not

02:35:02.200 here to

02:35:02.460 be happy

02:35:03.040 you're not

02:35:03.380 here to

02:35:03.640 be complacent

02:35:04.620 you're not

02:35:05.220 here to

02:35:05.480 be materially

02:35:06.380 satisfied

02:35:07.280 not that

02:35:07.940 that would

02:35:08.240 be possible

02:35:08.880 anyways

02:35:09.740 but that

02:35:10.180 you're here

02:35:10.480 to contend

02:35:11.280 with the

02:35:11.700 structure

02:35:12.140 of reality

02:35:12.880 right

02:35:13.580 and that's

02:35:14.020 what will

02:35:14.240 satisfy you

02:35:15.360 because

02:35:16.020 there's

02:35:16.320 something

02:35:16.580 to you

02:35:17.320 you know

02:35:18.040 you're not

02:35:18.380 weak

02:35:18.880 and nothing

02:35:19.480 there's

02:35:20.640 something

02:35:20.960 to you

02:35:21.620 there's

02:35:21.960 something

02:35:22.160 malevolent

02:35:23.320 and terrible

02:35:23.960 I mean

02:35:24.560 you know

02:35:24.980 that

02:35:25.340 you look

02:35:25.760 at how

02:35:25.980 people

02:35:26.260 behave

02:35:26.680 you look

02:35:27.400 at the

02:35:27.720 blood

02:35:28.180 and

02:35:28.440 catastrophe

02:35:29.180 of our

02:35:29.660 history

02:35:30.080 you can

02:35:30.780 certainly

02:35:31.060 see the

02:35:31.460 absolute

02:35:32.520 hellish

02:35:34.840 depths

02:35:35.500 of the

02:35:35.860 human soul

02:35:36.560 but there's

02:35:37.040 something that

02:35:38.000 takes root

02:35:38.780 in that

02:35:39.120 and grows

02:35:39.500 up out

02:35:39.960 of that

02:35:40.320 that's

02:35:40.560 absolutely

02:35:41.120 magnificent

02:35:42.360 beyond belief

02:35:43.300 and that's

02:35:43.840 looking for

02:35:44.680 to contend

02:35:47.160 you know

02:35:48.100 and I've

02:35:48.540 often thought

02:35:49.140 that I've

02:35:49.540 been fortunate

02:35:50.500 in my

02:35:51.560 marriage

02:35:52.080 because

02:35:53.020 you think

02:35:54.000 well you

02:35:54.440 get married

02:35:55.380 and you

02:35:55.580 live happily

02:35:56.120 ever after

02:35:56.780 it's like

02:35:57.200 that's not

02:36:03.620 it

02:36:03.900 you don't

02:36:04.540 want that

02:36:05.080 even

02:36:05.240 what do

02:36:06.020 you want

02:36:06.220 your partner

02:36:07.120 to do

02:36:07.440 all she's

02:36:08.820 going to do

02:36:09.240 is sprinkle

02:36:09.840 rose petals

02:36:10.640 in front

02:36:11.100 of you

02:36:11.360 pat you

02:36:12.480 on the

02:36:12.760 back of

02:36:13.100 the head

02:36:13.320 and tell

02:36:13.620 you how

02:36:13.920 wonderful

02:36:14.360 you are

02:36:14.820 constantly

02:36:15.620 day after

02:36:16.760 day

02:36:17.100 man you'd

02:36:18.120 be so sick

02:36:18.760 of that

02:36:19.060 after two

02:36:19.640 well maybe

02:36:20.240 take a

02:36:20.700 month

02:36:21.040 but let's

02:36:23.060 say two

02:36:23.520 weeks

02:36:23.880 because you

02:36:25.240 know

02:36:25.720 she should

02:36:27.280 be more

02:36:27.760 on the

02:36:28.180 side of

02:36:28.620 who you

02:36:29.040 could be

02:36:29.920 than on

02:36:31.140 the side

02:36:31.600 of who

02:36:31.920 you are

02:36:32.520 and if

02:36:33.280 she's

02:36:33.700 deluded

02:36:34.540 enough

02:36:35.060 or terrified

02:36:35.960 enough

02:36:36.520 to worship

02:36:37.960 you in

02:36:38.520 your current

02:36:39.080 form

02:36:39.660 then well

02:36:40.940 that doesn't

02:36:41.380 say much

02:36:41.820 for her

02:36:42.340 and it

02:36:43.500 certainly

02:36:43.900 isn't very

02:36:44.600 helpful for

02:36:45.180 you

02:36:45.340 you want

02:36:45.980 someone

02:36:46.300 that's

02:36:46.580 going to

02:36:47.860 get in

02:36:48.380 the way

02:36:48.720 now and

02:36:49.220 then

02:36:49.500 and to

02:36:50.920 contend

02:36:51.620 with

02:36:52.040 and I've

02:36:52.760 been fortunate

02:36:53.340 in my

02:36:53.680 marriage

02:36:53.980 because I

02:36:54.420 have someone

02:36:54.780 to contend

02:36:55.520 with

02:36:55.820 we have

02:36:56.920 our discussions

02:36:58.500 and they're

02:36:59.240 not easy

02:36:59.880 partly because

02:37:01.240 we have hard

02:37:01.700 problems to

02:37:02.400 solve

02:37:02.640 because life

02:37:03.160 is full

02:37:03.500 of hard

02:37:03.820 problems

02:37:04.160 I want

02:37:04.540 someone

02:37:04.800 who will

02:37:05.100 stand up

02:37:06.020 and have

02:37:08.180 her say

02:37:08.920 even if it's

02:37:09.940 not what I

02:37:10.520 would say

02:37:10.940 and maybe

02:37:11.640 I'm even

02:37:12.400 willing at

02:37:12.920 times because

02:37:13.800 she's quite

02:37:14.640 intuitive

02:37:15.100 and a good

02:37:16.500 dreamer

02:37:16.940 and I'm

02:37:17.420 more facile

02:37:18.640 verbally

02:37:19.280 and so

02:37:19.820 we have to

02:37:20.820 be careful

02:37:21.280 in our

02:37:21.660 relationship

02:37:22.120 because if

02:37:23.080 I'm in a

02:37:23.500 particularly

02:37:23.940 ornery mood

02:37:24.900 and she

02:37:25.760 has something

02:37:26.240 to say

02:37:26.680 I can

02:37:27.080 usually

02:37:27.360 slice up

02:37:27.980 her arguments

02:37:28.580 verbally

02:37:29.020 you know

02:37:29.800 and that's

02:37:30.920 that's fine

02:37:31.620 as far as

02:37:32.080 I'm concerned

02:37:32.640 because I

02:37:33.260 get to

02:37:33.640 win

02:37:33.940 but it's

02:37:34.680 stupid

02:37:35.100 well it's

02:37:35.900 stupid

02:37:36.400 it's first

02:37:37.000 of all

02:37:37.340 that doesn't

02:37:38.320 mean I'm

02:37:38.660 right

02:37:39.140 it just

02:37:40.120 means I

02:37:40.520 can formulate

02:37:41.140 verbal arguments

02:37:42.020 slightly faster

02:37:42.880 than she can

02:37:43.580 but her

02:37:44.140 intuitions

02:37:44.780 and her

02:37:45.100 dreams

02:37:45.380 are often

02:37:45.840 extraordinarily

02:37:46.480 accurate

02:37:47.040 and so

02:37:47.860 we've learned

02:37:49.260 to to some

02:37:50.260 degree to

02:37:50.700 buttress each

02:37:51.400 other's arguments

02:37:52.100 just on the

02:37:52.760 off chance

02:37:53.860 that the

02:37:54.720 person that

02:37:55.300 you were

02:37:55.720 foolish enough

02:37:56.620 to marry

02:37:57.100 might know

02:37:58.720 something you

02:37:59.480 don't now

02:38:00.280 and then

02:38:00.680 about something

02:38:01.360 important

02:38:01.920 you know

02:38:02.480 and so

02:38:07.800 what do you

02:38:08.120 want

02:38:08.400 well you

02:38:08.720 want someone

02:38:09.180 to contend

02:38:09.840 with

02:38:10.200 then it's

02:38:11.400 an adventure

02:38:12.040 you know

02:38:12.980 and then you

02:38:13.360 have someone

02:38:13.820 that you

02:38:14.160 love

02:38:14.660 and that

02:38:15.640 you respect

02:38:16.280 and that's

02:38:17.320 not a bad

02:38:17.780 combination

02:38:18.420 for longevity

02:38:19.580 of relationship

02:38:20.340 and then

02:38:20.780 maybe if you

02:38:21.900 have someone

02:38:22.320 that you

02:38:22.640 love and

02:38:23.020 respect

02:38:23.400 and that

02:38:23.900 you can

02:38:24.180 communicate

02:38:24.520 with

02:38:24.780 and your

02:38:25.080 children

02:38:25.540 also love

02:38:26.600 and respect

02:38:27.220 her or

02:38:27.960 him

02:38:28.260 and then

02:38:28.800 that's

02:38:29.080 pretty good

02:38:29.420 for them

02:38:29.900 because

02:38:30.220 they've

02:38:30.680 got some

02:38:31.020 parents

02:38:31.320 that they

02:38:31.640 could love

02:38:32.180 and respect

02:38:33.160 that's a

02:38:33.980 good

02:38:34.120 combination

02:38:34.740 you know

02:38:35.820 it solidifies

02:38:37.200 their life

02:38:37.900 and so you

02:38:38.860 want to

02:38:39.100 contend with

02:38:39.760 them

02:38:40.060 and you

02:38:40.440 want a

02:38:40.700 job that's

02:38:41.280 challenging

02:38:41.820 i would

02:38:42.700 say that

02:38:43.240 pushes you

02:38:43.880 beyond what

02:38:44.480 you already

02:38:44.960 are

02:38:45.320 and god only

02:38:46.280 knows how

02:38:46.760 much how

02:38:47.480 hard you need

02:38:48.440 to be pushed

02:38:49.160 in order to

02:38:50.080 go beyond

02:38:50.800 where you

02:38:51.240 are but you

02:38:52.080 know to

02:38:52.580 some degree

02:38:53.140 if you have

02:38:54.760 a choice

02:38:55.300 you know

02:38:56.480 it's not

02:38:57.280 that uncommon

02:38:58.440 that what

02:38:59.500 we'll do is

02:39:00.100 choose to be

02:39:01.020 pushed to

02:39:01.480 the limit

02:39:01.940 especially when

02:39:02.720 we're at our

02:39:03.160 best we

02:39:03.720 think well

02:39:04.140 where's the

02:39:04.920 limit

02:39:05.240 it's here

02:39:05.820 maybe i can

02:39:06.520 manage that

02:39:07.040 i'm going

02:39:07.300 to push

02:39:07.580 myself

02:39:07.900 right to

02:39:08.380 the damn

02:39:08.860 limit

02:39:09.180 then i'm

02:39:09.760 going to

02:39:09.920 push myself

02:39:10.360 a little

02:39:10.740 bit over

02:39:11.240 just to

02:39:11.820 see if

02:39:12.120 it's

02:39:12.320 possible

02:39:12.780 and and

02:39:13.440 if that

02:39:14.020 happens

02:39:14.400 then you

02:39:14.760 know you

02:39:15.000 emerge with

02:39:15.540 a sense

02:39:15.900 of triumph

02:39:17.300 i'm now

02:39:18.280 more than

02:39:18.840 i was

02:39:19.580 right and

02:39:20.440 maybe that's

02:39:20.940 what you're

02:39:21.240 here to be

02:39:21.940 is to be

02:39:22.600 more than

02:39:23.020 you were

02:39:23.660 right to

02:39:24.340 push those

02:39:24.920 limits

02:39:25.320 and to

02:39:26.120 do that

02:39:26.480 you contend

02:39:27.100 with the

02:39:27.460 world

02:39:27.760 you wrestle

02:39:28.620 with god

02:39:29.340 you don't

02:39:30.080 casually say

02:39:30.920 i believe

02:39:31.720 because who

02:39:32.580 knows

02:39:33.140 no one

02:39:34.260 no one

02:39:35.120 knows

02:39:35.900 right

02:39:36.380 we're

02:39:36.900 separated

02:39:37.440 from the

02:39:38.220 infinite

02:39:38.640 by death

02:39:39.560 and ignorance

02:39:40.180 we don't

02:39:41.020 know

02:39:41.500 we contend

02:39:43.400 we wrestle

02:39:44.220 you know

02:39:45.200 and in that

02:39:45.640 maybe we

02:39:46.140 find our

02:39:46.580 destiny

02:39:47.060 at least

02:39:47.940 we find

02:39:48.340 our purpose

02:39:48.980 we find

02:39:49.420 something

02:39:49.760 that's

02:39:50.100 that

02:39:50.800 that justifies

02:39:52.280 us to

02:39:52.720 some degree

02:39:53.300 you know

02:39:53.580 if i'm

02:39:54.660 awake

02:39:55.420 at night

02:39:56.400 wondering

02:39:56.980 and i

02:39:57.260 thank god

02:39:57.740 you know

02:39:58.000 like i

02:39:58.440 i pushed

02:39:59.360 myself

02:39:59.940 as far

02:40:01.580 as i

02:40:01.900 could

02:40:02.180 in this

02:40:03.660 effort

02:40:04.040 whatever

02:40:04.400 the effort

02:40:04.860 that i'm

02:40:05.220 considering

02:40:05.620 happens to

02:40:06.160 be

02:40:06.260 i pushed

02:40:06.600 myself

02:40:06.960 i don't

02:40:07.220 have

02:40:07.560 a weight

02:40:08.400 on my

02:40:08.920 conscience

02:40:09.400 because

02:40:09.860 i let

02:40:11.020 something go

02:40:11.660 or i failed

02:40:12.400 to accomplish

02:40:13.060 something i mean

02:40:13.480 i do often

02:40:14.260 have those sorts

02:40:15.060 of weights

02:40:15.480 i'm talking

02:40:16.280 about the

02:40:17.000 rare times

02:40:17.580 when i

02:40:18.160 don't

02:40:18.620 it's like

02:40:19.220 well there's

02:40:19.540 something that

02:40:20.040 that that's

02:40:21.100 where there's

02:40:21.680 some atonement

02:40:22.500 and some peace

02:40:23.380 as far as i'm

02:40:24.100 concerned

02:40:24.540 where that

02:40:25.740 contending

02:40:26.540 and that wrestling

02:40:27.960 has been

02:40:28.420 successful

02:40:29.120 and i would

02:40:30.020 say that

02:40:30.420 insofar as

02:40:31.200 you're deeply

02:40:32.360 involved in that

02:40:33.440 like completely

02:40:34.440 involved in that

02:40:35.380 thoroughly involved

02:40:37.240 in that

02:40:37.720 then you have

02:40:39.260 the right to

02:40:39.760 say that

02:40:41.120 you believe in

02:40:42.500 god

02:40:42.820 and since i'm

02:40:44.580 not like that

02:40:45.500 a hundred percent

02:40:46.760 of the time

02:40:47.460 or even

02:40:48.300 approximating the

02:40:50.180 percent of the

02:40:50.880 time that i would

02:40:51.860 like to be like

02:40:52.860 that you know

02:40:53.700 despite my best

02:40:54.720 efforts then

02:40:55.360 when people ask me

02:40:56.540 i'm not going to

02:40:57.420 say something

02:40:59.240 virtuous

02:40:59.900 like i'm a

02:41:01.500 believer

02:41:01.900 because there's

02:41:03.440 plenty wrong with

02:41:04.320 me that needs to

02:41:05.360 be fixed

02:41:05.960 before i would

02:41:06.920 dare utter

02:41:08.000 words like

02:41:09.480 that

02:41:10.340 thank you

02:41:12.840 well so that's

02:41:25.080 better answer

02:41:26.160 to that question

02:41:27.420 so

02:41:28.840 thank you

02:41:30.580 very much

02:41:31.860 for

02:41:32.160 for walking

02:41:41.480 through that

02:41:42.100 with me

02:41:42.600 let's say

02:41:43.220 now

02:41:44.000 you have

02:41:45.480 all

02:41:45.920 not all

02:41:47.180 many of you

02:41:48.080 have asked

02:41:48.640 some questions

02:41:49.400 tonight

02:41:50.460 using this

02:41:51.280 nifty little

02:41:52.120 device called

02:41:53.220 slido

02:41:53.720 which i really

02:41:54.400 like

02:41:54.740 and so

02:41:55.740 now what i'm

02:41:56.580 going to do

02:41:57.060 is spend

02:41:57.620 20 minutes

02:41:58.920 or so

02:41:59.400 looking through

02:42:00.560 the questions

02:42:01.100 that you

02:42:01.720 asked

02:42:02.120 and seeing

02:42:02.940 if i have

02:42:03.400 anything

02:42:03.800 that isn't

02:42:04.880 completely

02:42:05.600 incomprehensible

02:42:07.760 and embarrassing

02:42:08.540 to say about

02:42:09.800 them

02:42:10.100 so let's

02:42:11.420 try that

02:42:12.120 hmm

02:42:13.820 well this is

02:42:14.600 a strange

02:42:15.140 one

02:42:15.440 i don't know

02:42:16.360 about you

02:42:16.700 people from

02:42:17.260 sydney

02:42:17.680 so uh

02:42:21.420 it's from

02:42:22.540 kathy newman

02:42:23.420 which

02:42:28.660 strikes me

02:42:30.020 as

02:42:30.260 somewhat

02:42:31.260 unlikely

02:42:31.780 and

02:42:32.840 it's got

02:42:34.180 164

02:42:35.260 upvotes

02:42:35.920 so

02:42:37.500 which is

02:42:38.180 quite a few

02:42:39.100 upvotes

02:42:39.640 it hurt

02:42:41.780 when you

02:42:42.140 destroyed me

02:42:42.760 on abc

02:42:43.720 now

02:42:46.880 i don't know

02:42:47.820 if that's

02:42:48.620 referring to

02:42:49.260 last night

02:42:49.980 or

02:42:50.320 so many

02:42:51.320 months ago

02:42:51.860 but

02:42:52.100 i have

02:42:52.960 enrolled in

02:42:53.520 university

02:42:53.980 to get

02:42:54.340 my facts

02:42:54.980 right

02:42:55.440 yeah well

02:42:56.320 that probably

02:42:56.960 won't work

02:42:57.740 thank you

02:43:04.600 for enlightening

02:43:05.320 my soul

02:43:06.100 the burns

02:43:07.240 are still

02:43:07.760 healing

02:43:08.220 yeah well

02:43:13.000 that's

02:43:13.380 it's not

02:43:13.740 exactly a

02:43:14.340 question

02:43:14.780 it's a

02:43:15.900 it's

02:43:16.740 it's

02:43:17.080 four sentences

02:43:18.320 that are

02:43:18.840 quite the

02:43:19.620 strange

02:43:19.940 combination

02:43:20.600 that i

02:43:22.120 would say

02:43:22.500 something about

02:43:23.060 the burns

02:43:23.660 are still

02:43:24.340 healing

02:43:24.700 you know

02:43:25.080 i mean

02:43:25.520 nietzsche

02:43:26.580 said that

02:43:27.180 you could

02:43:27.720 tell

02:43:28.280 much about

02:43:30.480 a man's

02:43:32.100 character

02:43:32.540 by how much

02:43:33.320 truth he

02:43:33.840 could tolerate

02:43:34.540 which is

02:43:36.000 very interesting

02:43:37.520 you know

02:43:37.800 there's an

02:43:38.180 idea

02:43:39.080 in the

02:43:41.660 great western

02:43:42.480 tradition

02:43:42.920 that the

02:43:43.840 truth is

02:43:44.260 the way

02:43:44.740 and the

02:43:45.080 path of

02:43:45.520 life

02:43:45.860 and

02:43:47.060 that no

02:43:47.880 one comes

02:43:48.240 to the

02:43:48.540 father

02:43:48.840 except

02:43:49.200 through

02:43:49.460 the

02:43:49.660 truth

02:43:50.000 and

02:43:50.740 i believe

02:43:52.480 that to

02:43:52.820 be the

02:43:53.080 case

02:43:53.400 because

02:43:53.680 i don't

02:43:54.100 think

02:43:54.320 that you

02:43:54.620 can

02:43:54.820 manifest

02:43:55.320 who

02:43:55.760 you

02:43:55.980 are

02:43:56.480 without

02:43:57.260 the

02:43:57.680 truth

02:43:58.060 and so

02:43:58.600 i think

02:43:59.000 it's

02:43:59.520 it's

02:43:59.760 it's

02:44:00.060 literally

02:44:00.480 and

02:44:00.780 metaphorically

02:44:01.500 truth

02:44:01.900 that

02:44:02.200 the

02:44:02.840 the

02:44:03.280 pathway

02:44:03.760 to

02:44:04.320 who

02:44:05.240 you

02:44:05.480 could

02:44:05.720 be

02:44:06.060 if

02:44:06.340 you

02:44:06.500 were

02:44:06.680 completely

02:44:07.240 who

02:44:07.600 you

02:44:07.860 were

02:44:08.320 is

02:44:08.960 through

02:44:09.340 the

02:44:10.120 truth

02:44:10.500 and

02:44:11.560 i would

02:44:11.940 say

02:44:12.320 and so

02:44:13.340 the truth

02:44:13.760 does set

02:44:14.320 you free

02:44:14.780 but the

02:44:15.180 problem

02:44:15.480 is

02:44:15.760 is that

02:44:16.060 it

02:44:16.220 destroys

02:44:16.960 everything

02:44:17.660 that isn't

02:44:18.480 worthy

02:44:18.900 in you

02:44:19.540 as it

02:44:20.060 sets

02:44:20.320 you

02:44:20.500 free

02:44:20.860 and

02:44:21.180 that's

02:44:21.660 that's

02:44:22.780 a process

02:44:23.440 of

02:44:23.720 burning

02:44:24.220 and

02:44:25.740 and

02:44:26.140 and it's

02:44:26.900 it's

02:44:27.220 painful

02:44:27.780 because

02:44:28.760 you

02:44:29.080 cling

02:44:29.460 to

02:44:29.700 what

02:44:30.000 you

02:44:30.180 shouldn't

02:44:30.540 be

02:44:30.840 partly

02:44:31.840 out

02:44:32.080 of

02:44:32.220 pride

02:44:32.560 and

02:44:32.780 partly

02:44:33.040 out

02:44:33.200 of

02:44:33.320 ignorance

02:44:33.640 and

02:44:33.980 partly

02:44:34.280 out

02:44:34.460 of

02:44:34.580 laziness

02:44:35.060 and

02:44:35.420 and

02:44:36.500 and

02:44:37.120 so

02:44:37.360 then

02:44:37.560 you

02:44:37.720 encounter

02:44:38.100 something

02:44:38.500 true

02:44:38.780 and

02:44:38.920 you

02:44:39.020 all

02:44:39.180 know

02:44:39.380 this

02:44:39.640 you

02:44:39.760 all

02:44:39.940 know

02:44:40.080 this

02:44:40.260 perfectly

02:44:40.640 well

02:44:40.940 because

02:44:41.260 when

02:44:42.800 was

02:44:42.980 the

02:44:43.100 last

02:44:43.320 time

02:44:43.520 that

02:44:43.660 you

02:44:43.800 learned

02:44:44.080 something

02:44:44.400 important

02:44:44.880 that

02:44:45.260 wasn't

02:44:45.780 a

02:44:45.960 blow

02:44:46.700 of

02:44:47.680 some

02:44:47.920 sort

02:44:48.380 you

02:44:48.560 know

02:44:48.760 and

02:44:49.200 it's

02:44:49.820 often

02:44:50.080 you

02:44:50.280 look

02:44:50.460 back

02:44:50.720 at

02:44:50.840 your

02:44:50.960 life

02:44:51.220 and

02:44:51.360 think

02:44:51.660 oh

02:44:51.920 god

02:44:52.320 I

02:44:53.140 really

02:44:53.420 learned

02:44:53.720 something

02:44:53.980 there

02:44:54.240 I

02:44:54.400 wouldn't

02:44:54.600 want

02:44:54.740 to

02:44:54.840 do

02:44:54.940 that

02:44:55.160 again

02:44:55.420 but

02:44:55.620 it

02:44:55.740 really

02:44:55.960 changed

02:44:56.360 my

02:44:56.540 life

02:44:56.760 I

02:44:56.880 mean

02:44:57.000 sometimes

02:44:57.380 it

02:44:57.520 can

02:44:57.660 really

02:44:57.880 destroy

02:44:58.360 you

02:44:58.640 you

02:44:58.780 know

02:44:58.940 an

02:44:59.100 encounter

02:44:59.520 with

02:44:59.740 the

02:44:59.880 truth

02:45:00.120 and

02:45:00.300 you

02:45:00.380 never

02:45:00.620 really

02:45:00.900 recover

02:45:01.340 but

02:45:01.700 now

02:45:02.400 and

02:45:02.540 then

02:45:02.780 something

02:45:03.200 comes

02:45:03.520 along

02:45:03.840 and

02:45:04.020 straightens

02:45:04.540 you

02:45:04.680 out

02:45:04.960 and

02:45:05.160 a

02:45:05.660 lot

02:45:05.880 of

02:45:05.980 you

02:45:06.080 has

02:45:06.340 to

02:45:06.500 go

02:45:06.800 a

02:45:07.400 lot

02:45:07.620 of

02:45:07.700 you

02:45:07.800 has

02:45:08.000 to

02:45:08.160 burn

02:45:08.420 away

02:45:08.800 you

02:45:09.680 know

02:45:09.860 and

02:45:10.280 and

02:45:10.820 I

02:45:11.160 suppose

02:45:11.520 in

02:45:11.740 some

02:45:11.960 sense

02:45:12.260 the

02:45:12.460 idea

02:45:12.740 is

02:45:12.960 that

02:45:13.100 everything

02:45:13.480 about

02:45:13.880 you

02:45:14.100 that

02:45:14.260 isn't

02:45:14.660 worthy

02:45:15.180 is

02:45:16.900 to be

02:45:17.280 put

02:45:17.540 into

02:45:18.020 the

02:45:18.240 flames

02:45:18.700 and

02:45:19.480 that's

02:45:20.020 that's

02:45:23.080 another

02:45:23.300 reason

02:45:23.640 to be

02:45:24.060 not so

02:45:24.620 casual

02:45:25.140 about

02:45:25.560 claiming

02:45:26.180 what

02:45:26.580 you

02:45:26.740 believe

02:45:27.220 because

02:45:27.820 it

02:45:29.120 isn't

02:45:29.480 something

02:45:30.580 that you

02:45:31.080 undertake

02:45:31.780 with

02:45:32.980 out

02:45:34.800 due

02:45:35.140 caution

02:45:35.620 you

02:45:36.520 know

02:45:36.620 I

02:45:36.820 learned

02:45:37.180 when I

02:45:37.620 was

02:45:37.800 a

02:45:37.920 kid

02:45:38.180 about

02:45:38.780 25

02:45:39.200 or

02:45:39.800 so

02:45:40.100 little

02:45:41.160 older

02:45:41.480 than

02:45:41.660 a

02:45:41.800 kid

02:45:42.040 that

02:45:43.040 almost

02:45:44.060 everything

02:45:44.780 that I

02:45:45.180 said

02:45:45.540 was

02:45:45.840 one

02:45:46.220 form

02:45:46.600 of

02:45:46.780 lie

02:45:47.100 or

02:45:47.320 another

02:45:47.640 and

02:45:48.480 I

02:45:48.940 wasn't

02:45:49.600 any

02:45:49.940 worse

02:45:50.660 I

02:45:52.100 would

02:45:52.300 say

02:45:52.500 than

02:45:52.720 the

02:45:53.240 people

02:45:53.460 that I

02:45:53.760 was

02:45:53.920 associating

02:45:54.480 with

02:45:54.700 or

02:45:54.880 any

02:45:55.140 better

02:45:55.460 and

02:45:56.200 the

02:45:57.260 lies

02:45:57.600 were

02:45:57.840 manifold

02:45:58.460 you

02:45:58.720 know

02:45:58.860 they

02:45:59.040 were

02:45:59.380 attempts

02:46:00.620 to

02:46:00.840 win

02:46:01.060 arguments

02:46:01.580 for

02:46:01.800 the

02:46:01.960 sake

02:46:02.620 of

02:46:02.780 winning

02:46:02.980 the

02:46:03.200 argument

02:46:03.560 that

02:46:04.000 might

02:46:04.180 be

02:46:04.360 one

02:46:04.660 attempts

02:46:06.200 to

02:46:06.660 indicate

02:46:08.540 my

02:46:08.960 intellectual

02:46:09.520 prowess

02:46:10.260 when there

02:46:10.800 were

02:46:11.080 competitions

02:46:11.940 of that

02:46:12.440 sort

02:46:12.780 maybe

02:46:13.500 just

02:46:13.900 the

02:46:14.400 sheer

02:46:15.440 pleasure

02:46:15.880 of

02:46:16.120 engaging

02:46:16.560 in an

02:46:16.960 intellectual

02:46:17.640 argument

02:46:18.260 and winning

02:46:18.840 my inability

02:46:21.680 to distinguish

02:46:22.500 between ideas

02:46:23.440 that I had

02:46:23.940 read

02:46:24.440 and

02:46:25.120 incorporated

02:46:26.580 because I

02:46:27.360 had read

02:46:27.840 but

02:46:28.140 hadn't

02:46:28.900 realized

02:46:29.540 that I

02:46:30.060 hadn't yet

02:46:30.720 earned the

02:46:31.580 right to

02:46:32.140 use

02:46:32.760 all of

02:46:33.640 that

02:46:33.940 and

02:46:34.580 you

02:46:34.880 know

02:46:34.980 I

02:46:35.120 had

02:46:35.300 this

02:46:35.500 experience

02:46:36.060 that

02:46:36.300 lasted

02:46:36.620 a

02:46:36.800 long

02:46:36.980 time

02:46:37.300 while I

02:46:37.560 would

02:46:37.660 say

02:46:37.840 it's

02:46:37.980 really

02:46:38.160 never

02:46:38.400 gone

02:46:38.660 away

02:46:38.960 that

02:46:39.820 and I

02:46:40.580 think

02:46:40.720 this

02:46:40.920 was

02:46:41.060 the

02:46:41.240 awakening

02:46:41.680 of

02:46:42.000 my

02:46:42.220 conscience

02:46:42.740 essentially

02:46:43.960 and I

02:46:45.560 didn't realize

02:46:46.100 this until

02:46:46.720 much later

02:46:47.240 when I

02:46:47.900 was reading

02:46:48.320 Socrates

02:46:49.060 apology

02:46:49.600 this

02:46:50.560 voice

02:46:52.020 for lack

02:46:52.940 of a better

02:46:53.340 word

02:46:53.700 made

02:46:55.120 itself

02:46:55.580 manifest

02:46:56.300 inside

02:46:57.000 me

02:46:57.340 and it

02:46:58.140 said

02:46:59.460 every time

02:47:00.180 I said

02:47:00.840 something

02:47:01.200 that wasn't

02:47:01.620 true

02:47:01.980 and that's

02:47:02.960 usually what

02:47:03.380 it said

02:47:03.860 that's not

02:47:05.340 true

02:47:05.700 you don't

02:47:06.860 believe that

02:47:07.540 or there

02:47:08.720 was a

02:47:09.020 sensation

02:47:09.560 that was

02:47:09.940 associated

02:47:10.440 with it

02:47:10.780 I don't

02:47:11.180 think this

02:47:11.520 is that

02:47:11.820 uncommon

02:47:12.340 you know

02:47:12.700 I asked

02:47:13.540 my psychology

02:47:14.340 classes

02:47:14.800 for many

02:47:15.280 years

02:47:15.680 in a row

02:47:16.180 if

02:47:17.100 they had

02:47:18.800 an experience

02:47:19.520 this experience

02:47:20.380 that they

02:47:21.140 had a voice

02:47:21.880 in their

02:47:22.280 head

02:47:22.640 let's say

02:47:23.280 it's a

02:47:23.740 metaphor

02:47:24.040 or a

02:47:25.180 feeling

02:47:25.820 that

02:47:26.960 communicated

02:47:28.080 to them

02:47:28.860 when they

02:47:29.800 were about

02:47:30.800 to do

02:47:31.180 something

02:47:31.520 wrong

02:47:32.000 and

02:47:33.220 it

02:47:33.640 was

02:47:33.880 universally

02:47:35.380 the case

02:47:36.380 that people

02:47:36.940 agreed

02:47:37.380 with one

02:47:37.980 of those

02:47:38.340 statements

02:47:38.780 or another

02:47:39.260 and the

02:47:39.800 other thing

02:47:40.120 I would

02:47:40.360 ask is

02:47:40.780 well do

02:47:41.160 you always

02:47:41.860 listen to

02:47:42.480 it

02:47:42.640 and of course

02:47:43.220 the answer

02:47:43.640 to that

02:47:43.980 was definitely

02:47:44.760 no

02:47:45.320 but that's

02:47:46.060 also very

02:47:46.700 interesting

02:47:47.260 you know

02:47:47.620 that you

02:47:48.160 can have

02:47:48.640 this faculty

02:47:49.520 this conscience

02:47:50.440 this seems

02:47:51.300 to me to be

02:47:52.380 very tightly

02:47:53.180 associated with

02:47:54.080 the idea

02:47:54.540 of free will

02:47:55.260 is that

02:47:55.620 you can have

02:47:56.720 this internal

02:47:57.340 voice

02:47:57.720 this daemon

02:47:58.440 the root word

02:47:59.940 for democracy

02:48:00.620 oh yes

02:48:01.040 I didn't finish

02:48:01.620 that story

02:48:02.220 so

02:48:02.500 yes

02:48:04.020 well it's

02:48:04.380 important

02:48:04.820 well so

02:48:05.360 Socrates daemon

02:48:06.300 told him

02:48:06.840 it was his

02:48:07.340 moral guide

02:48:08.040 and

02:48:09.160 democracy

02:48:10.060 appears to be

02:48:11.260 predicated

02:48:11.820 on the idea

02:48:12.620 that

02:48:13.600 the polity

02:48:15.100 will function

02:48:16.600 if people

02:48:17.660 attend

02:48:18.280 to their

02:48:19.100 consciences

02:48:19.860 that's

02:48:21.200 the

02:48:21.340 overlap

02:48:23.140 of those

02:48:23.820 conceptualizations

02:48:24.920 and that's

02:48:26.060 well first

02:48:27.200 of all

02:48:27.420 I think

02:48:27.660 that's

02:48:27.940 the case

02:48:28.480 you know

02:48:28.860 and

02:48:29.240 it makes

02:48:31.300 a certain

02:48:31.580 amount

02:48:31.780 of logical

02:48:32.260 sense

02:48:32.700 I mean

02:48:32.980 if we

02:48:33.240 assume

02:48:33.560 that the

02:48:33.920 political

02:48:34.220 state

02:48:34.600 is

02:48:34.800 something

02:48:35.080 like

02:48:35.400 the

02:48:35.660 emergent

02:48:36.520 consequence

02:48:37.100 of the

02:48:37.560 decisions

02:48:37.980 of all

02:48:38.820 its

02:48:39.040 citizens

02:48:39.460 we would

02:48:40.320 assume

02:48:40.660 that

02:48:40.900 the

02:48:41.380 wiser

02:48:41.900 the

02:48:42.700 decisions

02:48:43.400 of the

02:48:43.980 citizens

02:48:44.460 the

02:48:45.060 more

02:48:45.520 upright

02:48:47.340 and

02:48:47.900 functional

02:48:48.660 the

02:48:49.180 state

02:48:49.600 I can't

02:48:50.620 see how

02:48:50.860 it could

02:48:51.060 be

02:48:51.220 any

02:48:51.620 other

02:48:51.820 way

02:48:52.120 and

02:48:52.720 perhaps

02:48:53.200 those

02:48:53.560 who are

02:48:53.820 the most

02:48:54.240 upright

02:48:54.740 who listen

02:48:55.440 to their

02:48:55.720 consciences

02:48:56.380 more

02:48:58.100 carefully

02:48:58.640 even

02:48:59.480 play a

02:49:00.460 disproportionately

02:49:01.260 powerful

02:49:02.000 role

02:49:02.480 it's

02:49:03.220 certainly

02:49:03.500 possible

02:49:04.080 so

02:49:05.040 anyways

02:49:06.960 back to

02:49:10.120 truth

02:49:10.480 well

02:49:11.460 you know

02:49:12.540 I learned

02:49:13.080 that

02:49:13.460 so much

02:49:15.780 of what

02:49:16.040 I was

02:49:16.320 doing

02:49:16.600 was

02:49:16.860 false

02:49:17.880 and

02:49:18.120 I

02:49:18.300 think

02:49:18.520 I

02:49:18.660 learned

02:49:18.940 this

02:49:19.180 there's

02:49:19.740 a reason

02:49:20.180 that

02:49:20.480 this

02:49:20.720 came

02:49:21.000 to

02:49:21.200 me

02:49:21.420 so

02:49:21.760 clearly

02:49:22.200 I

02:49:23.160 was

02:49:23.360 trying

02:49:23.640 to

02:49:23.820 understand

02:49:24.460 why

02:49:26.160 people

02:49:26.480 did

02:49:26.740 terrible

02:49:27.120 things

02:49:27.700 and

02:49:28.720 I

02:49:29.020 was

02:49:29.180 really

02:49:29.480 concentrating

02:49:30.120 on the

02:49:30.560 terrible

02:49:31.340 terrible

02:49:31.840 things

02:49:32.240 that

02:49:32.440 people

02:49:32.700 do

02:49:32.940 and

02:49:33.100 I

02:49:34.460 was

02:49:34.660 interested

02:49:35.040 in

02:49:35.600 Auschwitz

02:49:37.320 for example

02:49:38.240 and

02:49:38.660 not as a

02:49:40.240 political

02:49:40.560 phenomenon

02:49:41.200 but as a

02:49:42.380 psychological

02:49:43.400 phenomenon

02:49:44.060 I was curious

02:49:45.040 about how

02:49:45.760 you could be

02:49:47.100 an Auschwitz

02:49:47.800 guard

02:49:48.240 and I

02:49:49.280 and I

02:49:49.300 wasn't

02:49:49.520 really

02:49:49.700 curious

02:49:50.160 about

02:49:50.440 how

02:49:50.600 you

02:49:50.880 could

02:49:51.100 be

02:49:51.280 one

02:49:51.560 because

02:49:51.860 well

02:49:52.220 you

02:49:52.960 could

02:49:53.140 be

02:49:53.300 one

02:49:53.560 of course

02:49:54.760 I

02:49:55.480 was

02:49:55.660 more

02:49:55.880 curious

02:49:56.240 about

02:49:56.480 how

02:49:56.740 I

02:49:57.140 could

02:49:57.360 be

02:49:57.520 one

02:49:57.760 being

02:49:58.020 such

02:49:58.280 a

02:49:58.400 good

02:49:58.540 person

02:49:58.980 as I

02:49:59.480 thought

02:49:59.760 I

02:49:59.900 was

02:50:00.240 and

02:50:01.140 but I

02:50:01.900 also

02:50:02.200 knew

02:50:02.460 that

02:50:02.760 people

02:50:04.220 many

02:50:05.220 people

02:50:05.700 did

02:50:06.060 many

02:50:06.920 terrible

02:50:07.400 things

02:50:07.920 during

02:50:08.300 the

02:50:08.500 20th

02:50:08.860 century

02:50:09.160 and

02:50:09.400 the

02:50:09.540 idea

02:50:09.860 that

02:50:10.160 I

02:50:10.680 was

02:50:10.860 somehow

02:50:11.160 better

02:50:11.520 than

02:50:11.780 them

02:50:12.020 or

02:50:12.200 that

02:50:12.340 I

02:50:12.500 should

02:50:12.720 assume

02:50:13.320 a

02:50:13.640 priori

02:50:14.140 that

02:50:14.280 I

02:50:14.400 was

02:50:14.540 better

02:50:14.760 than

02:50:14.960 them

02:50:15.140 and

02:50:15.280 that

02:50:15.420 I

02:50:15.560 wouldn't

02:50:15.780 have

02:50:15.920 made

02:50:16.100 the

02:50:16.260 same

02:50:16.560 choices

02:50:16.980 or

02:50:17.220 worse

02:50:17.600 had

02:50:18.100 I

02:50:18.220 been

02:50:18.400 in

02:50:18.520 the

02:50:18.640 same

02:50:18.820 situation

02:50:19.360 was

02:50:19.820 a

02:50:19.980 very

02:50:20.260 dangerous

02:50:21.200 supposition

02:50:22.040 and

02:50:22.820 in fact

02:50:23.240 a

02:50:23.480 sufficiently

02:50:23.940 dangerous

02:50:24.500 supposition

02:50:25.100 to

02:50:25.680 bring

02:50:26.160 about

02:50:26.520 the

02:50:26.760 very

02:50:27.020 danger

02:50:27.520 that

02:50:28.060 I

02:50:28.300 assumed

02:50:28.640 was

02:50:28.860 worth

02:50:29.100 avoiding

02:50:29.500 I

02:50:29.960 had

02:50:30.420 this

02:50:30.700 idea

02:50:31.220 that

02:50:31.860 what

02:50:32.620 had

02:50:32.780 happened

02:50:33.180 especially

02:50:33.840 in

02:50:34.360 Nazi

02:50:34.800 Germany

02:50:35.180 but

02:50:35.440 also

02:50:35.820 in

02:50:36.120 the

02:50:36.600 Soviet

02:50:36.860 Union

02:50:37.220 shouldn't

02:50:38.080 happen

02:50:38.440 again

02:50:38.840 that

02:50:40.460 what

02:50:40.900 we

02:50:41.140 needed

02:50:41.400 to

02:50:41.640 do

02:50:41.880 because

02:50:42.300 of

02:50:42.500 what

02:50:42.640 happened

02:50:42.940 in

02:50:43.080 the

02:50:43.200 20th

02:50:43.600 century

02:50:43.940 especially

02:50:44.840 because

02:50:45.180 we

02:50:45.380 also

02:50:45.660 managed

02:50:46.080 to

02:50:46.320 create

02:50:46.660 hydrogen

02:50:47.180 bombs

02:50:47.660 that

02:50:48.420 it

02:50:48.740 was

02:50:48.900 in

02:50:49.100 that

02:50:49.560 and

02:50:49.900 that

02:50:50.020 we

02:50:50.140 had

02:50:50.320 become

02:50:50.600 so

02:50:50.820 technologically

02:50:51.480 powerful

02:50:51.940 that

02:50:52.200 there

02:50:53.080 wasn't

02:50:53.400 time

02:50:53.740 for

02:50:53.920 that

02:50:54.140 anymore

02:50:54.500 that

02:50:54.720 time

02:50:55.080 for

02:50:55.220 that

02:50:55.360 was

02:50:55.540 over

02:50:55.920 and

02:50:56.620 that

02:50:56.780 we

02:50:56.940 really

02:50:57.260 needed

02:50:57.760 to

02:50:57.980 understand

02:50:58.820 why

02:50:59.340 it

02:50:59.520 happened

02:50:59.960 and

02:51:01.040 that

02:51:01.560 perhaps

02:51:02.000 we

02:51:02.280 could

02:51:02.480 go

02:51:02.940 deep

02:51:03.220 enough

02:51:03.480 in

02:51:03.620 that

02:51:03.800 understanding

02:51:04.440 which

02:51:05.480 is

02:51:05.640 I

02:51:05.780 think

02:51:05.980 what

02:51:06.160 happens

02:51:06.540 when

02:51:06.720 you

02:51:11.640 because

02:51:12.420 if

02:51:12.660 you

02:51:12.820 understand

02:51:13.480 the

02:51:13.760 problem

02:51:14.000 maybe

02:51:14.200 you

02:51:14.360 can

02:51:14.520 solve

02:51:15.180 it

02:51:15.500 you

02:51:16.540 know

02:51:16.680 and

02:51:17.000 at

02:51:19.700 least

02:51:19.940 in

02:51:20.160 part

02:51:20.480 I

02:51:20.820 came

02:51:21.200 to

02:51:21.380 believe

02:51:21.740 that

02:51:22.100 the

02:51:23.140 problem

02:51:23.500 was

02:51:23.880 as

02:51:24.300 Solzhenitsyn

02:51:24.920 said

02:51:25.320 that

02:51:25.580 the

02:51:25.800 problem

02:51:26.140 is

02:51:26.460 is

02:51:26.620 that

02:51:26.840 the

02:51:27.140 line

02:51:27.740 between

02:51:28.220 good

02:51:28.760 and

02:51:28.900 evil

02:51:29.160 runs

02:51:29.520 down

02:51:29.820 every

02:51:30.140 human

02:51:30.440 heart

02:51:30.800 and

02:51:31.600 I

02:51:31.720 was

02:51:32.100 reading

02:51:32.380 Jung

02:51:32.640 at

02:51:32.820 the

02:51:32.960 same

02:51:33.160 time

02:51:33.520 you

02:51:33.660 know

02:51:33.780 and

02:51:33.900 he

02:51:34.060 believed

02:51:34.460 that

02:51:34.660 the

02:51:34.880 human

02:51:35.520 soul

02:51:35.900 was

02:51:36.120 a

02:51:36.280 tree

02:51:36.500 whose

02:51:36.780 roots

02:51:37.100 grew

02:51:37.340 all

02:51:37.520 the

02:51:37.640 way

02:51:37.760 to

02:51:37.900 hell

02:51:38.200 and

02:51:39.140 believed

02:51:39.500 also

02:51:39.900 that

02:51:40.180 in

02:51:40.580 the

02:51:40.740 full

02:51:40.980 investigation

02:51:41.540 of

02:51:41.940 the

02:51:42.120 shadow

02:51:42.560 which

02:51:42.940 was

02:51:43.080 the

02:51:43.280 dark

02:51:43.580 side

02:51:43.860 of

02:51:44.040 the

02:51:44.420 human

02:51:44.700 psyche

02:51:45.080 was

02:51:46.000 that

02:51:46.180 it

02:51:46.520 was

02:51:46.680 bottomless

02:51:47.400 essentially

02:51:47.940 that

02:51:48.380 it

02:51:49.300 was

02:51:49.460 like

02:51:49.820 an

02:51:49.960 experience

02:51:50.500 of

02:51:50.700 hell

02:51:51.000 and

02:51:51.760 that

02:51:52.200 also

02:51:52.760 struck

02:51:53.120 me

02:51:53.360 as

02:51:53.620 true

02:51:54.700 and

02:51:55.760 that

02:51:55.980 the

02:51:57.400 way

02:51:57.680 to

02:51:58.000 stop

02:51:58.660 those

02:51:59.660 sorts

02:51:59.980 of

02:52:00.140 things

02:52:00.360 from

02:52:00.580 happening

02:52:01.020 was

02:52:01.560 to

02:52:01.800 stop

02:52:02.280 yourself

02:52:02.960 from

02:52:03.320 being

02:52:03.680 the

02:52:03.920 sort

02:52:04.180 of

02:52:04.400 person

02:52:04.780 who

02:52:05.340 would

02:52:05.560 do

02:52:05.980 it

02:52:06.220 who

02:52:07.440 would

02:52:07.600 even

02:52:07.800 start

02:52:08.380 to

02:52:08.680 do

02:52:08.880 it

02:52:09.020 because

02:52:09.260 the

02:52:09.460 other

02:52:09.640 thing

02:52:09.900 you

02:52:10.040 learn

02:52:10.320 when

02:52:10.480 you

02:52:10.600 learn

02:52:10.860 about

02:52:11.140 atrocities

02:52:11.900 of

02:52:12.080 that

02:52:12.240 sort

02:52:12.480 you

02:52:12.620 could

02:52:12.780 read

02:52:12.960 ordinary

02:52:13.480 men

02:52:13.980 by the

02:52:14.360 way

02:52:14.500 which

02:52:14.700 is

02:52:14.860 an

02:52:15.060 unbelievably

02:52:15.740 great

02:52:16.200 study

02:52:16.580 of

02:52:16.720 exactly

02:52:17.140 this

02:52:17.380 sort

02:52:17.580 of

02:52:17.680 phenomenon

02:52:18.000 it's

02:52:18.200 on my

02:52:18.520 book

02:52:18.900 list

02:52:19.600 on my

02:52:19.980 website

02:52:20.380 it's

02:52:21.360 about

02:52:21.580 a

02:52:21.720 group

02:52:21.920 of

02:52:22.160 German

02:52:22.620 policemen

02:52:23.180 who

02:52:23.380 were

02:52:23.520 turned

02:52:23.780 into

02:52:24.140 brutal

02:52:25.740 murderers

02:52:26.420 over a

02:52:26.900 period

02:52:27.140 of

02:52:27.340 months

02:52:27.740 when

02:52:28.000 they

02:52:28.160 went

02:52:28.360 behind

02:52:28.760 when

02:52:29.320 they

02:52:29.420 went

02:52:29.580 into

02:52:29.760 Poland

02:52:37.440 was

02:52:37.620 one

02:52:37.780 of

02:52:37.860 the

02:52:37.960 things

02:52:38.140 that

02:52:38.280 makes

02:52:38.460 the

02:52:38.600 book

02:52:38.740 so

02:52:38.940 interesting

02:52:39.400 so

02:52:40.320 for

02:52:42.300 me

02:52:42.500 it

02:52:42.640 was

02:52:42.780 a

02:52:42.900 matter

02:52:43.120 of

02:52:43.280 understanding

02:52:43.860 that

02:52:44.220 if

02:52:44.880 we

02:52:45.100 want

02:52:45.460 this

02:52:45.960 sort

02:52:46.200 of

02:52:46.320 thing

02:52:46.540 to

02:52:46.740 not

02:52:47.080 happen

02:52:47.480 anymore

02:52:47.860 then

02:52:48.160 we

02:52:48.380 have

02:52:48.580 to

02:52:48.740 start

02:52:49.020 to

02:52:49.220 become

02:52:49.520 the

02:52:49.700 sort

02:52:49.900 of

02:52:50.000 people

02:52:50.260 who

02:52:50.480 wouldn't

02:52:50.800 do

02:52:51.080 it

02:52:51.300 which

02:52:51.740 seems

02:52:52.000 rather

02:52:52.280 self-evident

02:52:53.020 all things

02:52:53.540 considered

02:52:54.000 unless

02:52:54.400 you know

02:52:54.860 you believe

02:52:55.380 that we're

02:52:55.740 the pawns

02:52:56.480 of social

02:52:57.340 forces

02:52:57.860 for example

02:52:58.500 like the

02:52:58.900 Marxists

02:52:59.500 do

02:52:59.820 and I

02:53:01.200 don't

02:53:01.460 believe

02:53:01.760 that

02:53:02.000 because

02:53:02.260 we're

02:53:02.480 also

02:53:02.680 the

02:53:02.900 creator

02:53:03.320 of

02:53:03.560 social

02:53:03.900 forces

02:53:04.380 and

02:53:05.580 we're

02:53:05.760 also

02:53:05.980 capable

02:53:06.380 of

02:53:06.760 standing

02:53:07.280 up

02:53:07.540 to

02:53:07.720 social

02:53:08.060 forces

02:53:08.600 because

02:53:09.580 I

02:53:10.020 would

02:53:10.200 say

02:53:10.380 the

02:53:10.580 individual

02:53:11.020 is

02:53:11.360 more

02:53:11.560 powerful

02:53:12.080 than

02:53:12.400 the

02:53:12.600 social

02:53:12.900 force

02:53:13.380 all

02:53:14.160 things

02:53:14.500 considered

02:53:15.040 interestingly

02:53:16.000 enough

02:53:16.400 that

02:53:16.960 the

02:53:17.220 way

02:53:17.460 to

02:53:17.860 stop

02:53:19.180 such

02:53:19.820 things

02:53:20.340 to

02:53:20.720 from

02:53:21.300 happening

02:53:21.720 the

02:53:21.920 way

02:53:22.080 to

02:53:22.280 remember

02:53:22.940 properly

02:53:23.700 is

02:53:24.740 to

02:53:24.920 understand

02:53:25.700 that

02:53:26.140 that

02:53:28.760 you

02:53:28.920 could

02:53:29.100 do

02:53:29.280 it

02:53:29.500 that

02:53:31.640 you

02:53:31.800 could

02:53:32.040 do

02:53:32.680 those

02:53:32.980 terrible

02:53:33.320 things

02:53:33.760 because

02:53:35.060 the

02:53:35.480 people

02:53:35.720 who

02:53:35.880 did

02:53:36.060 them

02:53:36.260 were

02:53:36.700 like

02:53:37.400 you

02:53:37.660 and

02:53:39.220 that

02:53:39.400 the

02:53:39.580 way

02:53:39.860 out

02:53:40.740 of

02:53:40.880 that

02:53:41.120 is

02:53:41.340 to

02:53:41.500 stop

02:53:42.100 being

02:53:42.720 like

02:53:43.360 that

02:53:43.800 and

02:53:44.920 the

02:53:45.560 way

02:53:46.000 you

02:53:46.220 stop

02:53:46.500 being

02:53:46.740 like

02:53:47.020 that

02:53:47.320 is

02:53:47.720 well

02:53:49.380 at least

02:53:49.760 in part

02:53:50.240 by

02:53:50.640 stop

02:53:51.080 by

02:53:52.200 ceasing

02:53:53.180 to tell

02:53:53.740 yourself

02:53:54.240 lies

02:53:54.720 that

02:53:55.000 you

02:53:55.260 don't

02:53:56.640 believe

02:53:58.020 in

02:53:58.280 and

02:53:59.520 that

02:53:59.660 you

02:53:59.800 know

02:54:00.000 you

02:54:00.200 shouldn't

02:54:00.480 act

02:54:00.760 out

02:54:01.120 and

02:54:02.180 you

02:54:02.520 know

02:54:02.620 and

02:54:02.740 that's

02:54:02.960 made

02:54:03.120 a

02:54:03.240 huge

02:54:03.420 difference

02:54:03.780 in

02:54:03.940 my

02:54:04.100 life

02:54:04.360 for

02:54:04.680 better

02:54:04.920 or

02:54:05.080 for

02:54:05.180 worse

02:54:05.480 I

02:54:05.620 mean

02:54:05.800 it

02:54:06.300 was

02:54:07.280 very

02:54:07.800 uncanny

02:54:08.520 experience

02:54:09.200 I would

02:54:09.520 say

02:54:09.740 because

02:54:10.060 it's

02:54:10.920 very

02:54:11.280 discombobulating

02:54:14.160 to

02:54:15.640 experience

02:54:18.500 yourself

02:54:19.540 as

02:54:20.040 fragmented

02:54:22.960 enough

02:54:23.340 so that

02:54:23.740 much of

02:54:24.360 what you

02:54:24.880 do

02:54:25.420 and say

02:54:25.880 is

02:54:26.120 actually

02:54:26.580 false

02:54:27.180 it's

02:54:28.900 it's

02:54:28.920 a lot

02:54:29.320 of

02:54:29.480 work

02:54:29.760 to

02:54:29.960 clean

02:54:30.180 that

02:54:30.400 up

02:54:30.660 a

02:54:31.380 lot

02:54:31.740 but

02:54:33.300 the

02:54:34.460 consequences

02:54:35.120 are

02:54:35.640 in

02:54:36.620 principle

02:54:37.100 worthwhile

02:54:39.840 and

02:54:41.260 so

02:54:41.560 that

02:54:42.120 was

02:54:42.260 part

02:54:42.520 of

02:54:42.700 what

02:54:43.200 understanding

02:54:45.340 that

02:54:45.580 was

02:54:45.740 part

02:54:45.980 of

02:54:46.120 what

02:54:46.580 drove

02:54:46.900 me

02:54:47.100 towards

02:54:47.440 clinical

02:54:47.800 psychology

02:54:48.440 say

02:54:48.740 in a way

02:54:49.080 from

02:54:49.380 political

02:54:50.160 science

02:54:50.580 and law

02:54:51.040 and from

02:54:51.400 politics

02:54:51.800 in general

02:54:52.320 because I

02:54:52.840 started to

02:54:53.360 believe that

02:54:53.880 and I

02:54:55.160 think this

02:54:55.480 is the

02:54:55.740 great

02:54:55.940 western

02:54:56.300 idea

02:54:56.760 which

02:54:59.580 people were

02:55:00.000 quite

02:55:00.220 irritated

02:55:00.640 about

02:55:00.940 by the

02:55:01.260 way

02:55:01.400 on

02:55:01.620 Q&A

02:55:02.060 last

02:55:02.380 night

02:55:02.620 as

02:55:02.820 well

02:55:03.040 that

02:55:03.800 the

02:55:04.640 proper

02:55:05.000 route

02:55:05.320 forward

02:55:05.760 for

02:55:06.080 the

02:55:06.240 redemption

02:55:06.620 of

02:55:06.940 the

02:55:07.120 individual

02:55:07.560 and

02:55:07.920 for

02:55:08.260 mankind

02:55:09.220 as

02:55:09.740 a

02:55:09.860 whole

02:55:10.140 is

02:55:10.440 as

02:55:11.740 a

02:55:11.860 consequence

02:55:12.220 of

02:55:12.560 the

02:55:12.700 redemption

02:55:13.040 of

02:55:13.300 each

02:55:13.500 individual

02:55:14.060 and

02:55:14.980 I

02:55:15.160 truly

02:55:15.480 believe

02:55:15.820 that

02:55:16.160 and

02:55:16.780 I

02:55:16.920 believe

02:55:17.160 that

02:55:17.320 that

02:55:17.520 occurs

02:55:17.900 as

02:55:18.120 a

02:55:18.240 consequence

02:55:18.740 of

02:55:19.220 adherence

02:55:21.480 to

02:55:21.660 the

02:55:21.820 truth

02:55:22.200 and

02:55:22.660 courage

02:55:23.120 in

02:55:23.340 the

02:55:23.480 face

02:55:23.740 of

02:55:23.860 being

02:55:24.300 that's

02:55:24.840 rule

02:55:25.040 one

02:55:25.360 right

02:55:25.620 to

02:55:25.820 stand

02:55:26.060 up

02:55:26.240 straight

02:55:26.500 with

02:55:26.680 your

02:55:26.840 shoulders

02:55:27.180 back

02:55:27.620 is

02:55:27.820 to

02:55:28.020 take

02:55:28.840 on

02:55:29.080 the

02:55:29.240 onslaught

02:55:29.880 and

02:55:30.120 to

02:55:30.360 enter

02:55:31.080 the

02:55:31.340 contentious

02:55:31.980 ring

02:55:32.360 and

02:55:33.000 to do

02:55:33.340 more

02:55:35.800 than

02:55:36.060 your

02:55:36.240 best

02:55:36.740 because

02:55:37.520 your

02:55:37.700 best

02:55:37.980 isn't

02:55:38.220 enough

02:55:38.600 because

02:55:39.560 your

02:55:39.720 best

02:55:40.000 isn't

02:55:40.240 as

02:55:40.400 good

02:55:40.560 as

02:55:40.700 you

02:55:40.820 could

02:55:40.980 be

02:55:41.340 you

02:55:41.800 have

02:55:41.960 to

02:55:42.100 push

02:55:42.300 yourself

02:55:42.600 past

02:55:43.060 that

02:55:43.440 and

02:55:44.160 that's

02:55:44.900 as far

02:55:45.380 as I

02:55:45.620 can

02:55:45.760 tell

02:55:46.040 where

02:55:46.480 you

02:55:47.240 find

02:55:47.640 what

02:55:47.880 you

02:55:48.040 need

02:55:48.260 in

02:55:48.420 life

02:55:48.720 you

02:55:49.520 find

02:55:49.780 the

02:55:49.940 meaning

02:55:50.220 that

02:55:50.480 sustains

02:55:50.980 you

02:55:51.180 in

02:55:51.320 life

02:55:51.600 and

02:55:51.800 you

02:55:51.920 find

02:55:52.240 the

02:55:52.580 patterns

02:55:53.440 of

02:55:53.640 action

02:55:54.060 that

02:55:54.320 redeem

02:55:54.840 the

02:55:55.360 world

02:55:55.720 both

02:55:56.560 at

02:55:56.740 the

02:55:56.860 same

02:55:57.080 time

02:55:57.540 I mean

02:55:58.340 life is

02:55:58.720 a very

02:55:58.960 difficult

02:55:59.280 business

02:55:59.900 you know

02:56:00.700 it's

02:56:01.300 fatal

02:56:02.200 and

02:56:03.600 it's

02:56:03.820 full of

02:56:04.140 suffering

02:56:04.520 and

02:56:04.760 it's

02:56:05.060 full of

02:56:06.580 betrayal

02:56:07.260 and

02:56:07.520 malevolence

02:56:08.120 there's

02:56:09.640 nothing

02:56:09.960 about

02:56:10.280 it

02:56:10.420 that's

02:56:10.660 trivial

02:56:11.020 it's

02:56:11.800 all

02:56:12.120 profound

02:56:12.680 and

02:56:14.060 in

02:56:14.280 order

02:56:14.480 to

02:56:14.880 find

02:56:16.300 your

02:56:16.520 way

02:56:16.780 through

02:56:17.140 all

02:56:18.040 of

02:56:18.200 that

02:56:18.500 that

02:56:19.580 capacity

02:56:20.720 for

02:56:21.000 hellish

02:56:21.380 experience

02:56:21.980 let's

02:56:22.280 say

02:56:22.480 you

02:56:23.500 need

02:56:24.160 to

02:56:24.860 develop

02:56:26.800 a

02:56:27.080 relationship

02:56:27.600 with

02:56:27.920 something

02:56:28.280 that's

02:56:28.740 profound

02:56:29.380 and

02:56:30.280 you

02:56:30.440 can

02:56:30.960 have

02:56:32.200 that

02:56:32.440 capacity

02:56:33.000 and

02:56:33.760 what

02:56:34.260 could

02:56:34.460 be

02:56:34.620 more

02:56:34.820 profound

02:56:35.260 than

02:56:35.480 the

02:56:35.640 truth

02:56:36.080 and

02:56:36.700 what

02:56:37.020 would

02:56:37.160 you

02:56:37.260 rather

02:56:37.500 have

02:56:37.740 on

02:56:37.900 your

02:56:38.080 side

02:56:38.520 and

02:56:39.500 you

02:56:39.600 might

02:56:39.760 say

02:56:39.940 well

02:56:40.060 that's

02:56:40.320 obvious

02:56:40.680 and

02:56:40.900 of

02:56:41.060 course

02:56:41.280 everyone

02:56:41.640 should

02:56:41.860 do

02:56:42.040 that

02:56:42.280 and

02:56:42.420 then

02:56:42.540 you

02:56:42.680 need

02:56:42.860 to

02:56:42.980 know

02:56:43.120 why

02:56:43.420 you

02:56:43.600 don't

02:56:44.020 and

02:56:44.180 the

02:56:44.300 answer

02:56:44.580 is

02:56:44.840 well

02:56:45.120 sort of

02:56:47.000 encapsulated

02:56:47.720 in this

02:56:48.140 first

02:56:48.580 amusing

02:56:50.360 question

02:56:50.920 thank you

02:56:52.920 for

02:56:53.140 enlightening

02:56:53.580 my soul

02:56:54.260 the burns

02:56:56.120 are still

02:56:56.620 healing

02:56:57.040 it's

02:56:58.440 like

02:56:58.640 well

02:56:59.000 you know

02:56:59.720 there's

02:57:00.680 no shortage

02:57:01.300 of deadwood

02:57:02.020 to burn

02:57:02.480 off

02:57:02.880 and

02:57:03.900 and

02:57:06.540 there's

02:57:06.740 no shortage

02:57:07.280 of pain

02:57:07.800 when the

02:57:08.160 deadwood

02:57:08.500 burns

02:57:08.860 off

02:57:09.240 and

02:57:10.000 that's

02:57:10.200 what makes

02:57:10.540 people afraid

02:57:11.140 of the

02:57:11.460 truth

02:57:11.820 you know

02:57:12.840 maybe that's

02:57:13.380 why Moses

02:57:13.940 encountered

02:57:14.520 God in a

02:57:15.160 burning bush

02:57:15.860 who the

02:57:16.780 hell knows

02:57:17.480 but

02:57:19.060 there's something

02:57:20.380 about that idea

02:57:21.340 that seems to me

02:57:22.140 to be the case

02:57:23.000 and so

02:57:24.700 what's the decision

02:57:27.260 that you make

02:57:27.960 you know

02:57:28.600 you decide to

02:57:29.340 believe

02:57:29.880 you know

02:57:30.760 it's a risk

02:57:31.620 an existential

02:57:32.740 risk

02:57:33.360 it's an

02:57:33.840 active

02:57:34.160 faith

02:57:34.600 you believe

02:57:36.160 that the

02:57:36.540 truth can

02:57:37.040 set you

02:57:37.420 free

02:57:37.720 you believe

02:57:38.700 that people

02:57:39.520 have

02:57:40.540 an intrinsic

02:57:41.800 divinity

02:57:42.340 about their

02:57:42.940 soul

02:57:43.280 you decide

02:57:44.600 that you're

02:57:45.040 going to

02:57:45.300 live in

02:57:45.580 that manner

02:57:46.060 and that

02:57:46.380 you're going

02:57:46.720 to let

02:57:47.120 everything

02:57:47.640 about

02:57:48.020 yourself

02:57:48.520 that isn't

02:57:49.580 worthy

02:57:50.880 of that

02:57:51.560 goal

02:57:52.100 die

02:57:53.800 and that

02:57:55.720 might be

02:57:56.260 almost

02:57:57.080 everything

02:57:57.600 that you

02:57:58.000 are

02:57:58.260 and

02:57:59.760 that's a

02:58:00.340 terrible

02:58:00.660 thing to

02:58:01.180 contemplate

02:58:01.820 the only

02:58:03.520 thing that's

02:58:04.000 worse

02:58:04.320 I would

02:58:05.480 say

02:58:05.720 is

02:58:06.020 the

02:58:07.200 alternative

02:58:07.700 because

02:58:08.840 the

02:58:09.040 alternative

02:58:09.420 is

02:58:09.920 the

02:58:11.720 sorts

02:58:11.980 of

02:58:12.140 hells

02:58:12.520 that we

02:58:12.780 managed

02:58:13.140 to

02:58:13.320 produce

02:58:13.660 around

02:58:14.000 us

02:58:14.280 and

02:58:14.440 that

02:58:14.580 we

02:58:14.760 produced

02:58:15.480 with

02:58:16.180 particular

02:58:16.740 expertise

02:58:18.080 during

02:58:19.160 the

02:58:19.360 totalitarian

02:58:19.980 regimes

02:58:20.440 of the

02:58:20.780 20th

02:58:21.140 century

02:58:21.460 and

02:58:23.020 it

02:58:23.160 would

02:58:23.280 be

02:58:23.420 a

02:58:23.560 good

02:58:23.680 thing

02:58:23.920 if

02:58:24.100 we

02:58:24.320 decided

02:58:24.900 collectively

02:58:26.000 and

02:58:26.620 individually

02:58:27.100 not

02:58:28.200 to

02:58:28.400 go

02:58:28.520 back

02:58:28.760 there

02:58:29.060 again

02:58:29.940 thank you

02:58:33.000 if you

02:58:38.180 found this

02:58:38.560 conversation

02:58:39.060 meaningful

02:58:39.580 you might

02:58:40.120 think about

02:58:40.500 picking up

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The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast - June 30, 2019

Who Dares Say He Believes in God

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