The King's Hall - A Test of Nerve： Leftist Hordes, Protests, & Saying True Things

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00:00:56.600 Vibia Perpetua was a 22-year-old noblewoman 1.00

00:01:08.180 who lived in Carthage, North Africa. 1.00

00:01:10.600 Mother of a nursing infant, she had not been married long.

00:01:14.040 Because her husband is never mentioned in her diaries,

00:01:16.780 many historians conclude that she had already been widowed.

00:01:20.440 Perpetua became a Christian in AD 203,

00:01:23.500 despite major discouragement from her pagan father.

00:01:26.480 When he begged her to abandon Christianity,

00:01:28.940 she asked him if he could call a water jug

00:01:31.120 by any other name than what it was.

00:01:33.520 When he said no, she said to him,

00:01:35.820 well, so too I cannot be called anything other

00:01:38.480 than what I am, a Christian.

00:01:40.860 Not much is known about Felicity,

00:01:42.560 except that she was a young slave woman

00:01:44.640 who was eight months pregnant at the time of her arrest.

00:01:48.140 Perpetua and Felicity were arrested

00:01:50.340 along with three other catechumens,

00:01:52.700 Christians who had not yet been baptized.

00:01:54.940 Their teacher in the faith, Saturus, chose to share in their punishment and submitted to the arrest as well.

00:02:01.220 The prison was hot and crowded, subjecting the believers to intense suffering,

00:02:06.260 the worst of which was the separation of Perpetua from her baby.

00:02:10.620 Two deacons in Perpetua's church were eventually able to pay the guards to place the prisoners in a better cell.

00:02:16.340 The prisoners' faith, strength, and courage then convinced the warden to allow the family to visit

00:02:22.320 and Perpetua could finally feed her child again.

00:02:25.940 The testimony of these Christians would eventually lead the warden to faith in Christ himself as well.

00:02:31.640 The execution of the prisoners was scheduled to take place during the military games

00:02:36.260 celebrating the birthday of Emperor Septimius Severus.

00:02:40.420 Felicity was worried she would not be able to die with her companions 0.57

00:02:43.680 because it was illegal to execute a pregnant woman in the Roman Empire.

00:02:47.760 She did not want to give birth too late and die at a later date with common criminals.

00:02:52.320 Her fellow prisoners did not want to leave her behind either.

00:02:56.240 Miraculously, Felicity went into labor two days before the execution.

00:03:00.820 The guards mocked and ridiculed her in her pain, telling her much worse was coming.

00:03:05.580 To their jeers, she calmly responded with a quiet faith and steadfast courage.

00:03:10.880 She gave birth to a little girl who was adopted by another woman in the church.

00:03:15.460 During Emperor Severus' military games, the prisoners were placed in the arena,

00:03:20.120 at which point the men of the group were mauled by bears, leopards, and wild boars.

00:03:25.780 Perpetua and Felicity were stripped of their clothes and forced to face a rabid heifer.

00:03:30.800 The crowd called out in disapproval, however, that they had seen enough,

00:03:34.780 so the women were removed and re-clothed.

00:03:37.320 Then, without mercy, Perpetua and Felicity were thrown back into the arena with gladiators. 0.61

00:03:44.080 Perpetua's last recorded words before they were slain by the sword were,

00:03:47.760 you must all stand fast in the faith and love one another and do not be weakened by what we

00:03:53.540 have gone through. Perpetua and Felicity died side by side in the arena, faithful martyrs for

00:03:59.680 the gospel. Such cruelty and injustice toward two young mothers in front of an approving crowd

00:04:05.660 is almost incomprehensible. But Jesus identified the reason the world hated Perpetua and Felicity

00:04:12.420 so much in John 15 19. You do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world.

00:04:19.240 That is why the world hates you. In their story, we find two godly women who refuse to back down 0.99

00:04:25.520 from the truth of Christ's gospel, a truth they were willing to pay for with their very lives.

00:04:31.580 Instead of giving way to their persecutors, they chose a martyr's death. Now, we've had some

00:04:36.560 interesting visitors in front of our church for the last few Sundays here in Ogden. After a clip

00:04:41.180 from our episode, The Girl on the Train, went viral, we've had a frothing horde of raging leftists,

00:04:46.880 Marxists, BLMers, and Antifa types screaming at our church families as they enter and exit the

00:04:52.520 building for worship. In the viral clip, we addressed the rising tide of anti-white hatred

00:04:57.780 and violence in our country, and some of the problems systemic to American black culture

00:05:03.260 that plays a role in it. Since then, there have been threats, both online and locally,

00:05:08.580 against me and my family, Eric, and our church in general.

00:05:12.780 Everything from those wishing us to get the Charlie Kirk treatment

00:05:16.280 to direct threats of murder and even violence to our wives and children.

00:05:21.240 Adding to the complexity of the situation,

00:05:23.720 one of our churchmen is running for city council

00:05:26.100 in the very district in which our church is situated.

00:05:29.300 And his very leftist opponents appear to be involved in some way

00:05:32.820 in encouraging this barrage from the very spiteful left.

00:05:36.940 It's also not just about what's going on in Ogden.

00:05:40.160 Many of our faithful listeners who've shared the clip have been assaulted by angry mobs

00:05:44.920 leaving nasty reviews on their Google business pages, as with the Baileys, our friends in Oklahoma.

00:05:51.180 Some of you have had rather unpleasant conversations with your elder boards

00:05:54.680 for simply agreeing that there is a problem, either with black culture or with mass-scale immigration from the third world.

00:06:01.660 For example, a friend of the show, Daniel Keene, was unjustly excommunicated from his church,

00:06:07.240 partly for sharing a clip from one of our episodes on H-1Bs and immigration.

00:06:12.080 What should we do in light of this?

00:06:14.040 The first thing we need to recognize is an anchoring truth in the midst of these waves.

00:06:19.540 The God of Providence wrote this chapter into all of our stories.

00:06:24.300 None of it has come into our lives, save through his kind providence.

00:06:28.020 He's working all things together for the good of his saints,

00:06:30.900 including this kind of injustice, opposition, hatred, reviling, and everything else.

00:06:36.560 And so the question we need to ask is simply this.

00:06:39.580 What would God have us do as characters in this chapter of his story?

00:06:44.060 How should we respond?

00:06:45.420 I think it's important right here up front to simply point at something obvious,

00:06:48.980 which is that we are confronted in circumstances like this with very real danger.

00:06:54.540 For our church and our people here in Ogden,

00:06:56.520 And these are not hypothetical or imaginary problems.

00:07:00.080 The danger is actually quite real.

00:07:02.080 And I don't want to make light of it at all.

00:07:04.140 There's real fear.

00:07:05.620 What will these people do?

00:07:06.640 What will they do to me?

00:07:07.680 What will they do to my wife?

00:07:08.780 What might they do to my children?

00:07:10.640 There's no sense in making light of it.

00:07:12.840 There are people in this country right now that would celebrate your death,

00:07:16.960 even your children's death.

00:07:18.220 And again, not theoretically or hypothetically.

00:07:21.820 Five weeks ago, we watched evil people kill Charlie Kirk

00:07:24.920 just down the road from our church in Ogden.

00:07:27.260 We also watched as millions of our countrymen

00:07:30.080 gleefully celebrated the brutal murder of this good man,

00:07:33.720 gleefully celebrated his wife's widowhood,

00:07:36.400 gleefully celebrated the fact

00:07:37.980 that his young children might not even remember their daddy.

00:07:42.060 Though God laughs at the wicked and holds them in derision,

00:07:44.840 what we're confronted with here is no joke.

00:07:48.160 We're in the midst of a cosmic war.

00:07:50.620 A cosmic war against powers and principalities

00:07:53.600 and the heavenly places, yes,

00:07:55.420 but a cosmic war that constantly spills over

00:07:58.440 into the physical, into the earthly,

00:08:00.700 into the political, into the social and communal and actual.

00:08:04.900 We're at war for the soul of our nation,

00:08:07.600 for the future home of our children,

00:08:09.640 and for the glory of God and the good of our neighbors.

00:08:13.100 In God's providence,

00:08:14.040 that war is manifested right now for us in Ogden

00:08:16.840 in a frothing horde of raging leftists,

00:08:19.340 Marxists, BLMers, and Antifa types

00:08:21.700 yelling at us on the way into the sanctuary for worship on Sundays.

00:08:25.580 This puts all of us in physical danger.

00:08:27.960 We know that these people love death.

00:08:30.020 They glory in death.

00:08:31.480 They're of their father, the devil.

00:08:33.060 And so they love what he loves and glory in what he glories in,

00:08:36.640 which is namely murder, theft, and destruction.

00:08:39.960 This puts all of us in spiritual danger.

00:08:42.760 We know that we don't just wrestle with flesh and blood in this,

00:08:45.520 but with demons, with powers and principalities in the heavenly places.

00:08:49.860 This puts all of us in social danger.

00:08:51.700 we know that these people would love nothing more than to dox every one of our congregants

00:08:56.740 and get them all fired for merely attending our church we know that they would love to accuse us

00:09:02.040 of every slander word in the book that we're all racist nazi misogynist homophobes instead of what

00:09:08.340 we really are normal christians trying to resist the untethered madness of our age and all of this

00:09:15.280 introduces in our midst the danger of internal strife and division because the enemy loves to

00:09:20.520 set the people of God against one another. Satan would love to set us at each other's throats to

00:09:25.860 divide us through this kind of assault. He would love to manipulate our wives via fear into shrinking 1.00

00:09:31.880 silence in the face of the evils that beset our nation. He would love to fracture our church and

00:09:36.940 our community with disunity. But there's another danger that I want you to consider. Though it's

00:09:42.840 likely not the first danger that might come to mind when you consider something like enemies

00:09:47.400 lined up outside the front door of a church screaming threats and obscenities. Maybe it

00:09:52.440 didn't even make your list at all. But as I've considered these very real dangers, I've grown

00:09:58.240 more and more convinced that this danger is the most pressing danger for us to be aware of in such

00:10:04.280 a situation. What is that danger? Well, it's the danger of failing this test of nerve that our

00:10:11.200 good father has set before us. And that's precisely what this is. It's a test of nerve.

00:10:16.520 It's a test of whether we really actually mean it.

00:10:19.240 Are we happy to speak boldly online only to shrink back when the danger comes knocking on our own door?

00:10:25.600 Are we happy to stand tall against the spirit of the age,

00:10:28.940 against the civilization eroding evils of feminism, abortion, sodomy, transgenderism, Marxism,

00:10:35.380 against wicked rulers flooding our nation with foreigners and warring against their own people?

00:10:40.460 to stand tall against all of that in social media posts

00:10:43.900 and private conversations in our own home,

00:10:46.500 but then shrink back in cowardice

00:10:48.660 at the first sign of danger right here,

00:10:51.020 of opposition right here in front of us.

00:10:53.780 Will we prove to be cowards?

00:10:56.620 Will we prove to be all talk?

00:10:59.240 Will we prove to be the kind of people who posture boldly,

00:11:02.360 but flee at the first sign

00:11:03.980 that the fight actually might have a cost?

00:11:06.320 See, God has set before us a test of nerve,

00:11:08.600 a test of our commitment in truly opposing Satan and his works in our land.

00:11:15.000 He set before us, therefore, an opportunity to either win glory or to richly earn our own condemnation.

00:11:22.000 The question is this, will we pass?

00:11:24.900 In this episode of the King's Hall podcast, we'll address the kind of courage we Christians must embrace

00:11:30.120 if we're to speak the truth and then remain steadfast in the aftermath.

00:11:34.560 Whether they dox, cancel, or threaten violence against us,

00:11:38.340 we must hold fast to the truth, enduring to the end.

00:11:42.260 Likewise, we'll address the common temptations that we face in the midst of persecution,

00:11:47.220 temptations that many a Christian martyr has faced before us.

00:11:51.100 Fortunately, as the story of Perpetua and Felicity reminds us,

00:11:54.960 we come from great and courageous forefathers and foremothers of the faith.

00:12:00.440 We have a long history to show us the way,

00:12:02.520 A history of men and women who paid with their very lives

00:12:06.160 for refusing to cease from speaking the truth

00:12:09.260 to a world lost in sin.

00:12:11.680 May the Lord strengthen us

00:12:12.860 and strengthen you, brothers and sisters,

00:12:15.380 to pass whatever test of nerve

00:12:17.100 he writes into each of our stories.

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00:16:30.720 Welcome to this episode of the Kings Hall Podcast.

00:16:33.600 I'm one of your hosts, DJ Jazzy Jeff.

00:16:35.900 Welcome by Brian Silve.

00:16:38.440 What is happening right now?

00:16:40.100 We're like, and then the people were brutally murdered

00:16:43.940 for their faith.

00:16:44.720 i'm dj jazzy jet well it was either that it was gonna be like prison mike prison mike but here's

00:16:51.460 what happened i see the mood lighting in this room got me yeah you said we're gonna record

00:16:57.020 bright hearth i did there was mood lighting i misspoke i thought of like a jazz late night

00:17:02.860 jazz station the jokes that these guys make in the office when i say i'm gonna go record

00:17:07.740 bright hearth they say oh sure you are you're gonna record bright hearth and how many new

00:17:14.620 children are you gonna have as a result and i'm like i don't know one or two we love our people

00:17:20.260 we do we love our podcasts yeah we have a good time we do uh one of the things that um we have

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00:17:33.780 were you thinking babies no i knew that you were about to transition in a seamless way

00:17:40.000 into some other topic like you were going to say something like wow speaking of transgenderism let

00:17:46.120 me transition us into eric stop eric's transitions are out of control yeah we've got we've got some

00:17:53.400 books coming and one in particular uh is great i think we were doing some ad marketing i guess

00:18:01.280 Just some marketing and spitballing.

00:18:02.740 It's kind of a big word.

00:18:03.500 You wouldn't understand it, but it's it's called marketing.

00:18:06.380 And it was for David Edgington's book.

00:18:09.060 Yes.

00:18:09.860 So reviling wives, white nights and reviling wives. 1.00

00:18:13.260 Yes.

00:18:13.520 This book I'm really excited for.

00:18:15.860 But the marketing planning that we were having yesterday.

00:18:18.360 Yeah.

00:18:18.700 We were like, we send a copy to Will Smith's wife.

00:18:23.640 Or Will Smith.

00:18:24.580 And we say, Will, we're praying for you.

00:18:26.180 Hey, bro.

00:18:27.100 Hey, this.

00:18:28.260 There's a lot of people who could use this book.

00:18:30.000 So I guess, Brian, just what's it about?

00:18:31.840 Who is it for?

00:18:32.740 We've got White Nights and Reviling Wives from David Edgington.

00:18:36.100 It's coming out here.

00:18:37.700 You know, any day now we're going to be opening up pre-orders.

00:18:40.500 So keep your eyes open and your ears open. 1.00

00:18:44.340 The book is about how feminism destroys families. 1.00

00:18:46.860 What? 0.91

00:18:47.380 I know.

00:18:48.160 Believe it or not, it's addressing really two main issues.

00:18:52.720 And it's right there in the title, White Nights and Reviling Wives.

00:18:56.120 So it's addressing this phenomenon that's arisen as a result of feminism, that the sins of women are a protected class.

00:19:05.100 We're not allowed to talk about them or correct them.

00:19:07.380 The result has been that we've seen an explosion of wives who fit the description not of the Proverbs 31 wife, but of the other woman in Proverbs, the Lady Folly, who tears her own house down around herself, who's naggy and bitter and rude and disrespectful to her husband. 0.99

00:19:25.340 She flaunts authority. 0.97

00:19:26.620 She doesn't, or she flaunts authority. 1.00

00:19:28.180 She doesn't, you know, basically a woman who is characterized by the besetting sins of reviling. 0.61

00:19:33.560 And that even in many situations where the husband is doing everything he can to try and love his wife, to try and be gentle with her, win her. 0.99

00:19:41.440 And yet she still just continues to revile and tear her house down.

00:19:45.840 Okay.

00:19:46.100 So that's character number one. 1.00

00:19:47.820 That's the reviling wife.

00:19:48.900 But then we have this other character that many of you have met, and it's the white knight.

00:19:53.300 He's going to fix the problem.

00:19:54.440 Yeah. And this is when, whether the husband or the wife says, we need counseling. Let's go to the church. Let's go to the pastors. Let's go to the biblical counseling office. And let's get some help in dealing with these marriage problems we have. And maybe the wife is even initiating it thinking, he's going to fix my husband. He's so terrible.

00:20:11.720 And they go to the counseling office and rather than correcting both of their sins equally, rather than correcting her sins in particular, the pastor or biblical counselor appoints himself the white knight who will protect me lady from the dragon of the husband and amplify or exaggerate all of his faults.

00:20:32.580 And basically it becomes a two-on-one where the wives' sins are protected by the white knight of the pastor, biblical counselor, and the husband is often hung out to dry.

00:20:44.860 Often divorce follows, estrangement from children.

00:20:47.800 And in a lot of these situations, the person doing the bulk of the sinning may actually be the woman.

00:20:52.980 And this is happening over and over and over and over again in our country, in our churches, in our biblical counseling office.

00:20:59.680 And so David Edgington is a pastor and biblical counselor who's dealt with hundreds and hundreds of cases like this as a counseling center where he helps men in this particular situation and has gained a lot of insight, both practically biblically, into the issue and wrote a great book for us at New Christian Press on the topic.

00:21:18.660 so it's for it's really a book that we we want to do two things we want it to diagnose the problem

00:21:25.700 so that christian men and women can learn how to see it and identify this pattern of white knights

00:21:32.740 and reviling wives yeah but then number two to help deal with it to help actually correct it

00:21:37.900 it one of my big hopes for the book is that it's actually going to help pastors yeah there's a lot

00:21:42.340 of pastors who probably fell into this ditch not thinking yeah that they were falling into it and

00:21:47.060 I just think about all the times where basically a wife is in sin and the advice is it's the

00:21:53.920 husband's job to love her into submission when the actual thing that needs to happen

00:21:58.620 is no, she just needs to be called to repent for not submitting and then called to obedience

00:22:02.920 in her role.

00:22:04.060 We need to treat her like a Christian.

00:22:05.640 Yes.

00:22:06.000 Just as we would treat a man as a Christian, we need to treat a woman as a Christian, correct

00:22:09.880 her sins, call her to obedience to God and to her duties given by God.

00:22:13.840 And you might think, well, I don't have a reviling wife,

00:22:16.700 or I don't know why I would get this book.

00:22:18.620 And I would say, well, one of the things that a book like this does

00:22:22.520 is it functions as a preventative measure in any of us who have marriages

00:22:27.860 or children, sons and daughters, like, son, I want you to read this.

00:22:32.660 I want you to understand and identify these patterns

00:22:34.740 so you don't make the worst mistake of your life and marry a reviling woman.

00:22:39.260 Daughters, I want you to be able to see these temptations and patterns of sin

00:22:42.380 that the world will not correct you for.

00:22:43.860 In fact, they will encourage you in these sins.

00:22:46.540 And so we're hoping that it does that preventative work,

00:22:49.540 that identification work,

00:22:50.880 and that corrective work in lots of marriages,

00:22:53.620 lives, churches, et cetera.

00:22:55.600 Yeah, and I think one of the benefits of it

00:22:57.180 is that, as you mentioned,

00:22:59.540 like we've had a lot of our ladies 0.99

00:23:01.300 kind of like helping read through some of this content, 0.99

00:23:04.320 your wife, my wife.

00:23:06.220 And of course they're not reviling women,

00:23:07.920 but every godly woman will read this type of content

00:23:10.860 and say, oh yeah, like even if you're not far end of the spectrum reviling, no temptation

00:23:16.920 is overtaking you that's not common to man.

00:23:19.280 So any woman can identify with, oh yeah, I can be prone to do some of these things.

00:23:24.320 So let's cut them all off before they grow into this major issue.

00:23:28.280 I think it'll be a great resource for churches and just to like preempt this, but we will

00:23:33.900 have a discount for bulk ordering.

00:23:36.520 This to me is one that's like the men in the church, the women in the church, pastors.

00:23:41.660 I think it would be really profitable to read together.

00:23:44.940 There's a lot of helpful, I think because David is a counselor, there's a lot of helpful counseling material.

00:23:51.760 So it's very practical homework to do.

00:23:54.600 And even in the course of putting the book together and writing and editing and all that hard work, we had one of our pastors in the church, our counseling pastor.

00:24:02.800 He read the manuscript, went through, talked with David, and they even collaborated a little bit on how to make it the best possible book for this subject.

00:24:11.220 So we're very excited for the release.

00:24:12.960 I also think the cover is amazing.

00:24:14.920 We are working with a great illustrator that helped us put – we'll have to put it up on the screen or something.

00:24:20.800 There's a husband, and he's offering flowers to his wife, and like, here, have some flowers.

00:24:28.420 And then on the other side, there's this woman with a rolling pin, and she's going to whack him in the head.

00:24:32.180 But then instead of like a pastor in the middle going, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, the pastor has got his Bible and he's like in front of the woman, like defending the rolling pin whacking woman from the, so it's, you know, here's the thing.

00:24:45.780 We write books like these and do covers like these so that we can reach out to Beth more and so that we can really get, you know, what's her what's her bucket?

00:24:57.320 The one that really doesn't like us with the sex podcast.

00:25:02.960 Oh, Sheila, Sheila Gargantuan, Gargantuan, Sheila Gargantuan is going to love the book.

00:25:09.760 we'll send her a copy and we'll just say look we we think your audience would really identify with

00:25:15.640 this book and uh that you should you know enjoy this this complimentary copy so i i think that

00:25:21.700 would go over well i think she's a big fan of uh me pastor edgington pastor edgington of us

00:25:28.560 she i mean huge fan honestly emphasis on huge huge fan of us definitely eric definitely no i'm saying

00:25:35.620 she's a huge fan that's just point of fact here uh speaking of huge things this episode

00:25:42.120 this episode is gonna be huge guys um wow what a transition i know yeah uh hey just real quick

00:25:54.040 the pre-order should be open sometime around the first week of november

00:25:57.560 so new christen impressed.com make sure that you're checking that out and uh we will try to

00:26:02.680 put a link in the description of this episode as soon as we have the correct link, but it'll be

00:26:06.140 there on the front page of newchristinandpress.com. Pre-order the book. Pre-orders really help us as a

00:26:11.580 small publisher. We don't publish through Amazon. We don't just click print through Amazon and never

00:26:17.480 touch our books. We work with small batch printers that we have direct relationships with. We bring

00:26:25.100 all the books from our own warehouse, all the shipping's fulfilled by our warehouse team.

00:26:28.900 uh it doesn't help jeff besos buy his third wife's um breast augmentation it helps uh real

00:26:36.740 christians in our community that's great pay their bills and so pre-ordering really helps us

00:26:41.320 uh as to even pay for the large cost that's it's easier with amazon to just say hey publish our

00:26:46.720 books on demand but instead we put up tens of thousands of dollars ahead of time to to buy a

00:26:52.260 whole run of these books high quality yeah that's that's kind of the the big thing for for most

00:26:57.060 people, they ask like, why aren't you on Amazon? Right. And, and as you said, it's, it's actually

00:27:01.600 really important point because you know, five or $7 of each book is going to go to, instead of going

00:27:07.740 to Amazon, we're going to pay local people who love us and we love them. Um, but also I think

00:27:14.340 people don't realize this Amazon kind of like Walmart, um, the, the author and then us absolutely

00:27:22.840 get hosed yeah so they take you know 80 percent of the profit they're like here as a pittance you

00:27:29.220 get you know pennies on the dollar yeah and so what the funny thing to me is i i thought this

00:27:35.700 was annoying in the beginning because i was like well i have to go to the a different website new

00:27:39.420 christendom instead of amazon and then the the checkout process is like pretty simple and it's

00:27:45.260 free shipping in america just like with amazon yeah it's it's same it's gonna get there within

00:27:50.660 a couple days i'm just encouraging people like yes that might be an extra step rather than having

00:27:56.560 no you know buy with one click or whatever but we do encourage you to take that seriously and we

00:28:01.480 love our people because of that you guys understand what we're trying to do yeah um if you want to

00:28:06.260 attack globo homo you can't take globo homo money and you gotta stop funding that whole gigantic

00:28:15.420 machine huge monster yeah um we're gonna move on now to some other huge things number one

00:28:21.520 uh as we get into the episode brian yeah but thank you thank you uh been working out

00:28:28.580 um my deadlift your deadlift i mean huge if people could see the dartboard i threw a bullseye

00:28:35.960 eric no before that i did actually throw it i watched it that accidentally went in the middle

00:28:43.820 I don't know how it's never happened before, but you know, you did it.

00:28:47.120 It was a good omen for this show.

00:28:48.620 It was a good Providence.

00:28:49.780 It was, uh, I want to jump into something, uh, in this episode.

00:28:53.480 Uh, it was kind of the, as, as you were talking, reminding me of Aaron Wren and he's kind of

00:28:59.280 brought up this negative world, life in the negative world.

00:29:02.320 Um, so basic concept here is that we used to live in a world that was positive in America

00:29:07.620 to Christianity.

00:29:09.300 Then maybe in the nineties and 00s, it was kind of neutral.

00:29:12.120 Yeah.

00:29:12.600 This was Tim Keller's world, you know, why he could get away with his, you know, super gay third way ism because that's what it was.

00:29:19.080 And then now, though, we're in negative world like hostility.

00:29:22.840 I think things ramped up with Obama and Obergefell's in there and just the codifying of every disgusting, degenerate, demonic practice because of it was forced on us by a leftist government and people in whips and chains who are like somehow running the show.

00:29:41.180 yeah so that all happens we become hostile now it's sort of like a two-fold problem

00:29:48.920 all that time we had the silent majority we had cowardly conservatives like i'll believe all

00:29:56.540 these things you were talking about this i'll believe all these things but i just don't want

00:30:00.440 to pay any price whatsoever for speaking them in public i'm i'm absolutely allergic to that

00:30:05.200 so i want to ask you why is it so important for christians to understand like the world is hostile

00:30:09.720 We do live in negative world and we have to train our muscles and we have to train ourselves how to live in that world.

00:30:16.040 Why is that so important?

00:30:17.620 Well, it's so important because you have to understand the tactics of the enemy.

00:30:21.220 Yeah, we're in a war.

00:30:22.280 We made that clear in the cold open.

00:30:23.820 Every Christian believes this.

00:30:25.000 We're in a war not with flesh and blood, but with powers and principalities in the heavenly places with Satan and his works, Satan and his servants.

00:30:31.440 But this cosmic war spills over constantly into the physical, political, social, every aspect of the world is at constant war between light and dark, between good and evil, between truth and falsity, between ugliness and beauty, between chaos and order.

00:30:48.980 All of these things are – every single aspect of life under the sun, there's a tug of war between God and Satan for all of it.

00:30:58.320 It's a high stakes, winner-takes-all battle.

00:31:02.660 Okay, so when you look at that war and you say,

00:31:05.240 okay, every part of my life then,

00:31:06.780 there's going to be some enemy that is seeking to oppose

00:31:09.460 all that is good and lovely and true and beautiful

00:31:11.340 in my life, my family's life, my community's life,

00:31:14.340 my nation's life, all the way, my church's life,

00:31:17.040 all the way on up and down.

00:31:19.300 When you understand that, it really puts things in perspective

00:31:22.280 because you start to realize then

00:31:24.500 that one tactic that has to be completely,

00:31:27.620 one strategy that has to be completely taken off the table for us as Christians is continual

00:31:33.180 retreat. Basically where the, you, you have in America, everything you just described,

00:31:39.340 it was accomplished by a rabid, wicked, full court press of a small minority of people in America.

00:31:49.340 They were playing a very post mill smash mouth game. Oh yeah. They were going for it.

00:31:54.780 They were not like, hey, we're just going to hide in the shadows and nobody's really going to know what we're going to believe.

00:32:00.420 No.

00:32:00.800 And we'll just subtly like infiltrate.

00:32:02.660 It was like, we're in your face.

00:32:05.780 Yeah, we want to make.

00:32:07.180 Trans library story hours.

00:32:08.740 We want to make an America not where multiple viewpoints can coexist peacefully.

00:32:13.480 And we just disagree and have these town halls where we discuss ideas.

00:32:17.240 They want a world where not just Christianity,

00:32:21.120 but all of the social, political implications of Christianity

00:32:25.000 are completely destroyed.

00:32:27.540 What I said in the sermon this Sunday

00:32:29.260 is that what they want to do is they want to destroy normal.

00:32:33.940 They want to smash normal to pieces

00:32:36.340 and from those pieces remake a world

00:32:39.260 in the image of their chaotic, satanic utopia.

00:32:44.120 So if you think about what does a normal Christian want?

00:32:46.960 Like, what does a normal Christian want?

00:32:48.640 A good, godly Christian man, he wants to be normal.

00:32:52.120 And I don't mean that in the sense of like,

00:32:53.960 he wants to be like the average normal person today.

00:32:56.720 I mean, he wants to be conformed to the pattern of reality

00:33:00.140 that God set as the designer.

00:33:02.020 He wants to therefore go, you know, find a good wife,

00:33:04.660 marry her, have children, be faithful to her.

00:33:07.600 Live in a moral society.

00:33:08.560 Live in a moral society where he's not murdered

00:33:10.600 and his kids can walk in a street and play,

00:33:12.420 where he can build a business

00:33:14.360 and love his neighbor through his vocation.

00:33:16.560 He wants to do just normal things, right?

00:33:19.280 What does the satanic left want to do?

00:33:21.580 It wants to oppose every single aspect of that

00:33:24.560 in service of their totalizing religion

00:33:27.000 of Marxism, of satanic Marxism.

00:33:30.100 Meaning they want to smash all of that up into pieces

00:33:33.060 and rebuild this like complete caricature,

00:33:38.160 this transmogrification of everything

00:33:40.220 where they're like, oh, marriage.

00:33:42.420 Yeah, but instead of marriage, what if we smashed marriage up?

00:33:44.740 And then it could be a throuple or it could be a furry with his two gay lovers or it could be like a dog with a cow and then a woman.

00:33:51.900 And this is even part of the problem with the liberal order, though.

00:33:56.180 And this is where people like a lot of people who will listen to the show are like, yeah, that's why we need conservatives.

00:34:02.540 And I'm like, yeah, like Dave Rubin and his husband who adopted a like, are you out of your minds?

00:34:08.360 Yeah. And this is where I would even push back on like a Charlie Kirk because he was like, you know, Dave,

00:34:12.220 but I'm actually for that.

00:34:13.560 Like it's very whole.

00:34:14.500 No,

00:34:15.220 absolutely not.

00:34:15.740 It's disgusting.

00:34:16.640 It's unjust.

00:34:17.440 So I think part of what you're saying is really important because we need to

00:34:21.800 put to death the idea of this.

00:34:23.460 Like we can all live in this utopian syncretistic pluralism world.

00:34:27.380 Absolutely not.

00:34:28.240 This is where I think people need to wake up.

00:34:29.940 So what was the Diwali?

00:34:32.620 Everybody's like,

00:34:34.240 we're celebrating Diwali,

00:34:36.820 the Hindu festival of lights.

00:34:38.980 Diwali.

00:34:39.840 Diwali.

00:34:40.620 Diwali.

00:34:41.260 like the michael scott at diwali you remember that he goes to the diwali celebration and he

00:34:46.420 makes the song and then he proposes to his girlfriend like it's sidetracked but yeah and

00:34:52.240 also the demon festival thank you for coming to the quickie mark would i like to celebrate

00:34:56.540 so this is what the people have in mind though so i posted about this and i was like no christ

00:35:02.060 is the light of the world there's one light of the world and diwali and all the other fake demon

00:35:06.300 gods are going to be crushed they have been crushed and they'll continue to be cast into

00:35:10.580 you know complete oblivion so i post this and then dr shivam da you know dot you know dr shiva

00:35:19.860 ramaswamy indian dot not feather kind says jesus was a foreign god for the americas 500 years ago

00:35:27.980 500 years later you'll be chanting jai shri ram and i'm like okay i am sick and tired and

00:35:38.780 discuss it by the way it is the republican establishment right now celebrating joshri

00:35:45.180 from dabwala would you come to the quickie mart like all this stuff and what was interesting is

00:35:52.580 even you know vivek's going off but even even jd hall somebody said yesterday like the whole

00:35:58.300 diwali lama thing somebody was saying they were like you know it's interesting that jd

00:36:04.680 J.D. Hall, I said J.D. Hall

00:36:06.560 J.D. Vance

00:36:07.520 J.D. Vance, he was like, he didn't post anything

00:36:10.240 and his wife is Indian

00:36:11.540 and his wife's Indian, but he's from Ohio

00:36:13.760 I think he, hopefully he's smart

00:36:16.340 enough to realize like

00:36:17.480 yeah, something C.J. Engel

00:36:20.160 pointed out

00:36:20.900 that, what was it like, since

00:36:23.840 the 80 something percent of all the

00:36:26.120 Indians in America came since 2001

00:36:28.140 since 9-11, yeah

00:36:29.100 do you think they're assimilating?

00:36:31.540 absolutely not, they're absolutely not

00:36:33.960 assimilating it was like uh even bendel where he posted a a picture of trump in the white house

00:36:38.900 celebrating diwali and he posted just the breaking bad meme where walter white is in the car and he's

00:36:44.720 like no behind the glass i was like yeah so you have to understand that the whole strategy from

00:36:52.300 from the the left and from satan which are the same thing i repeat myself they are attempting

00:36:57.460 to win everything they're trying they're playing for all the stakes they're playing for everything

00:37:03.100 they're playing for keeps and and they will have this long period where they say oh no we just all

00:37:09.560 want a seat at the table the minute they get absolute the minute they have the majority power

00:37:13.180 they're dropping the hammer we have to understand this how power it doesn't matter if it's hindus

00:37:16.920 or muslims or jews the minute they get total power and control it's let let make i want all society

00:37:23.580 to conform to my vision yeah it's always a totalizing always going to do that religious

00:37:28.300 ideology at the heart because man is a worshiping creature. It's inescapable. Even in his politics,

00:37:33.120 he's orienting the earthly to his vision of the ideal, the heavenly, the good, the God,

00:37:37.740 whatever it is, his ultimate, he's orienting earthly things to that pattern. So there's no

00:37:42.780 such thing as multiculturalist, syncretist, pluralistic, basically stasis where things

00:37:49.400 just kind of like level out and everyone has this vague, like propositional American utopia that

00:37:54.220 will never exist. It has never existed. We were a Christian nation that has been in the process of

00:38:00.200 dismantling and conquest by demons. That's what we're in. And so here's the problem with the

00:38:06.460 besetting sin of conservative cowardice. And what the left is doing is they're actually playing

00:38:11.700 to that good desire that that Christian man I described has. He just wants to marry a woman,

00:38:17.280 have kids, work his vocation, be in his nation, not have chaos, murder, degeneracy, theft,

00:38:22.260 all those things that's what he wants to do politics is not a religion for him politics

00:38:27.500 in some ways is actually um an inconvenience to him to have to fight political social battles is

00:38:34.300 an inconvenience to that guy because it takes time away from him doing the normal thing it's like

00:38:40.160 the farmer in the roman empire that gets called up to battle like the the he's like he he's on

00:38:46.260 reserve to go back to my fields he like to leave his fields to go fight the border war is actually

00:38:52.000 a huge inconvenience to him and his family and everything good that he's trying to pursue but

00:38:56.380 but the problem is that conservatives they mistake that inconvenience for an excuse and they say

00:39:02.200 well because it's i'll just keep retreating and keep retreating and not make waves and keep

00:39:06.520 retreating and it's like but that guy is actually a coward and he's failing to love all of that good

00:39:12.100 and normal stuff that he's trying to do on his farm and his homestead with his family and his

00:39:14.960 wife if he if he does not heed the summons to come and fight the border war because you know

00:39:20.780 what happens if you lose that border war enough times there's no more normal i think there's it's

00:39:25.620 gone it's smashed up and they they rebuild utopia from the pieces that's absolutely right and i i've

00:39:30.260 just been rereading um the first book in the lord of the rings trilogy and it's interesting how

00:39:34.660 tolkien sets it up because it's all about the shire and there are people like that they love

00:39:39.840 just a quiet they have no war anymore and they love it and they like to you know smoke their

00:39:45.000 weed and pipe weed pipe weed yes yes thank you clarification uh old toby you know is the best

00:39:52.060 old toby but it's interesting because later um there will be the conversation between the hobbits

00:39:58.500 i just want to go back to the shire and it's mary and pippin right at least i'm thinking of the movie

00:40:03.220 in the movie and mary says but he says there won't be a shire any shire pippin but kind of that you

00:40:08.720 know in talking even in the books he does capture that sentiment of like yeah the reason even the

00:40:13.840 hobbits have to go fight and be a part of this thing is because literally mordor is going to

00:40:18.060 destroy everything you love peter jackson understood what tolkien was getting at in that

00:40:22.460 scene in how he did that scene and you see it in the whole arc of the hobbits is from this

00:40:27.460 unwar like people who just love they love all that is good and normal they're actually the ideal

00:40:31.640 these people that they don't love they're not power hungry they're not power hungry they don't

00:40:36.280 want to dominate one another they just want to do their thing like just want to vibe in the shire

00:40:40.020 And by the end, the whole apotheosis of the hobbits

00:40:43.380 is in the scouring of the Shire

00:40:44.860 when they've been raised up to be wise kings

00:40:47.280 and rulers and princes

00:40:48.160 who don't love the sword for its brightness

00:40:50.680 or the arrow for its swiftness,

00:40:51.800 but love only that which they defend.

00:40:53.080 But they're willing to defend it.

00:40:56.200 And Frodo is there as this wise voice of mercy and restraint,

00:41:01.000 but he's even tempered by the zeal

00:41:04.840 and the wisdom of Pippin and Mary

00:41:06.460 as they've grown into men

00:41:07.600 and they can defend their homeland from enemies.

00:41:10.100 And eventually they do cast Sharky and all this people out

00:41:12.700 and retake the Shire and rebuild from all of the harm

00:41:16.300 where they cut down the party tree

00:41:17.520 and Sam goes and regrows it with a seed from Lorien.

00:41:20.120 There's all this glorious,

00:41:21.300 like all these threads come together

00:41:22.860 in the scouring of the Shire and what follows

00:41:24.740 to show what Tolkien was envisioning

00:41:28.220 is the goodness of that normal.

00:41:30.720 It's good.

00:41:31.560 You should desire it.

00:41:33.100 And yet you cannot take it for granted.

00:41:34.840 You have to fight for it.

00:41:36.260 You can't hide forever.

00:41:37.600 you can't flee forever and so in our church when we've got tranny trantifa antifa gun-toting uh

00:41:46.620 pink dinosaur wearing actually they dressed up like pink dinosaur which they do by the way to

00:41:51.260 try and make themselves look less hostile to help their pr oh we're just silly we're but they

00:41:57.280 actually want to kill you and destroy everything that's good and true and beautiful so when we see

00:42:01.940 that as christians we can go it'd be easy for people in our church to say why don't i just go

00:42:06.280 to the church down the street we i'm guarantee you we were the only church in the whole state

00:42:10.400 of utah the last couple sundays that was in danger of being protested by antifa oh not even close

00:42:15.620 it would be easy to go to any of the other churches in the area that you're to get it'll

00:42:20.520 be comfortable no one will shout curses at you etc but why should they not do that because

00:42:26.240 universalize it what if every church in the whole world just says let's peace peace when there's no

00:42:32.740 peace. Let's not talk about any of these problems. Let's not actually do what Paul says in Ephesians

00:42:37.960 5.11 and take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them and say,

00:42:43.260 this is what is happening in the dark in our nation. These sins are rampant. They're growing

00:42:48.320 wild. We need to stop them. They must stop. We must oppose them with everything that we have.

00:42:53.760 If everybody just said, peace, peace, let me go to the quiet church where there's no problem,

00:42:58.500 where nobody's going to make a wave well then guess what not only will eventually they come

00:43:04.360 for you but eventually there will be no churches in america eventually there will be no churches

00:43:08.860 other than the state church of marxism that is totally totally tempered with and what's the word

00:43:16.120 that is totally watered down like the the sanctioned church in china well it is interesting

00:43:21.740 and and maybe we'll talk more about this in the after hours but um which if you're not aware that's

00:43:27.220 our patron exclusive show become a member today we've had some you know tons of new people excited

00:43:33.160 for you guys a lot of great content we do a lot of q a anyway one of the things we may talk about

00:43:38.960 is recently uh i think it was jonathan lehman was interviewing or somebody was i i'm not fully sure

00:43:45.480 who the host was interviewing mark dever right capitol hill baptist church forever he introduced

00:43:50.460 ron burns slash to bd on mobile to the world thank you mark yeah mark great appreciate that

00:43:56.060 great work we needed more of that and you came through and you've seen gavin ortland and

00:44:02.060 everybody's like doing their third way thing um still like you know the march off the cliff

00:44:07.940 as they're all rotting in their own feces and they think it's such a beautiful great idea

00:44:12.820 um but it was just interesting because mark dever was saying like you know i look at and he lists

00:44:19.100 all these people on the left i look at tabidi on mobile and i know that we have the same gospel

00:44:24.300 And then he goes into this, like, I don't know if it was fake.

00:44:26.660 It seemed fake.

00:44:27.220 But he was like, Christ save me.

00:44:30.640 And also, I believe that, you know, Christianity is not fundamentally political because I believe that, you know, I was an agnostic and I understand the saving power of Christ and his gospel-y, gospel-centered gospel-ness.

00:44:47.020 And on the thing goes.

00:44:48.740 And I'm like, dude, just get to the point.

00:44:50.520 And the point is this.

00:44:51.520 I vote Democrat.

00:44:52.820 That's what Mark was trying to say.

00:44:54.480 And it's okay for me to vote Democrat.

00:44:56.420 And it's okay for me to be a liberal and a squish.

00:44:59.400 Well, what's going to happen?

00:45:00.180 All your people in the church are a squish.

00:45:01.920 And then you get somebody like us.

00:45:03.860 And I was like, do you think Mark Dever would be like, you know, I believe that now he's

00:45:09.240 like a hipster gay kind of, but like, I believe that Brian and Eric are also, they believe

00:45:14.820 in the same Christ as I do.

00:45:16.480 I don't hear Gavin Orland being like, yeah, the guys in Ogden, they're on my team.

00:45:20.180 no it's only like this is what i said like it's no enemies on the left coddle left destroy right

00:45:29.240 coddle left silence and excommunicate and abominate to the right but then here's the problem

00:45:35.160 there are a lot of people in those churches who are like no i don't agree with mark there

00:45:39.200 i actually agree with some of the things you guys are saying and they'll be good with it until the

00:45:44.560 point when the protesters show up yeah until the point when there's hostility and i guess what

00:45:50.080 we're getting at is but we're at that point in our country where there's just going to be hostility

00:45:54.400 yeah anytime you speak the truth there's going to be hostility yeah and it doesn't matter on what

00:46:00.000 point it no that's and that's exactly right we'll kind of get into some more of this um you had a

00:46:07.020 sermon this last week yeah we're addressing that um i think it was right but one thing you said in

00:46:13.720 there and i want to ask you about you said that the real test was of nerve yeah um i guess what

00:46:19.160 made you think of that what were you what was going through your mind that you said well wait

00:46:22.920 a minute yeah it's not just about protesters it's not just about whether you know we're addressing

00:46:27.700 black culture sins it's not just that there's actually something another temptation in here

00:46:33.160 failing the nerve test failing a test of nerve yeah i was halfway through a conversation last

00:46:38.420 week with a congregant we were talking about the protests and all these things and he's asking

00:46:42.640 questions. And about halfway through it, I had been wrestling with this. Like, what is this?

00:46:47.200 What are we supposed to do? What am I, I'm supposed to shepherd these people. We're supposed

00:46:50.420 to shepherd these people. What do I tell them? Thus says the Lord for you. How do you obey the

00:46:54.660 Lord in this moment? Is it, Hey, let's go debate them on the sidewalk. Let's ignore them completely.

00:47:02.000 Let's figure, let's back down and say like, well, what, Oh, this is bad. Like, what is, what is this?

00:47:07.480 And I was talking to this congregant and I think it was the Holy spirit because it was just like,

00:47:11.160 all of a sudden, this clarity flooded my mind of what this was. And it was, this is a test of

00:47:17.760 nerve. I was looking for a label for it. Like, God, what is this? And I believe it was the Holy

00:47:23.340 Spirit. Here's a label. This is a test of nerve. Will you pass? And immediately I was like, I know

00:47:28.940 how to exhort this congregate now. Be courageous. Be courageous. Stand firm. And one of the things

00:47:35.580 that, um, it's a good question. I think we need to address that, you know, people have asked us

00:47:42.080 and, and well, hang on though, because you told a cold, cold open story about, um, these Christian

00:47:47.240 martyrs who died for defending the gospel for just being Christians. Yeah. You're being protested

00:47:51.700 for making comments about, um, fraught issues in America of race, of black culture, of violence,

00:47:57.620 of immigration, of political issues. So like, what are you doing there? Are you playing a shell game

00:48:01.540 where you're trying to say like,

00:48:03.280 well, because they were opposed for the gospel

00:48:05.480 and we're being opposed for these political things.

00:48:07.980 Therefore, it's the same thing.

00:48:09.660 There's this shell game going on.

00:48:11.140 I think it's actually a valid question

00:48:13.460 that's worth addressing.

00:48:15.240 And the way that I've addressed it to our church

00:48:17.500 is like this.

00:48:19.400 Okay, Christians are in the business of starting riots,

00:48:23.520 turning the world upside down

00:48:24.860 and exposing the works of evil done in the darkness.

00:48:27.280 You can look at Acts 24, Acts 17,

00:48:29.920 all over the scriptures.

00:48:31.540 The Christians, Paul, Peter, Silas,

00:48:34.000 they're being accused of everywhere they go, there's riots.

00:48:37.980 They're turning the world upside down.

00:48:39.580 Paul's exposing works of darkness.

00:48:42.460 What was it that caused riots in the first century

00:48:45.380 in the book of Acts?

00:48:46.620 It was the apostles and the Christians standing up

00:48:49.900 and in the Jewish areas,

00:48:51.700 it was particularly them standing up and saying,

00:48:54.400 you crucified the Lord Jesus Christ.

00:48:58.580 You and your people are hard-hearted, stubborn, and wicked.

00:49:03.180 You are just like your forefathers who stoned the prophets

00:49:06.240 and then built monuments to them after you were dead.

00:49:09.240 Your people have besetting sins of wickedness and evil,

00:49:13.420 and you are so bad that you richly deserve the impending judgment of God

00:49:18.280 that's coming as Jesus prophesied within a generation,

00:49:20.780 and you are going to be cut off from his covenant.

00:49:24.520 God is going to destroy your temple.

00:49:25.780 he's going to bring down the blood curse you called on your heads, the blood of Christ be on

00:49:30.400 us and our children. Okay. That was the beginning. You're so bad that you deserve divine judgment.

00:49:35.660 And yet, and yet if you will turn and repent, the Lord is so merciful. He's so good that even you

00:49:42.640 can be saved from your sins by the Lord Jesus Christ. And of course that caused riots. What

00:49:49.040 causes riots in our day? What causes, is it saying Jesus loves you? No, our whole culture

00:49:56.560 already believes God loves them. Our whole culture, our world believes with every fiber of

00:50:01.680 their being, God loves me. What causes riots in our day is not saying God loves you and he wants

00:50:08.200 to save you. It's saying you are a sinner. And actually here's particularly how you're a sinner

00:50:13.860 and here are how your people are sinners and you're a sinful person come from a sinful people.

00:50:18.020 here are the besetting sins of your culture you're like the cretins that are all liars and beasts and

00:50:22.740 gluttons and evil you're full of murder you kill your own babies like when we were talking about

00:50:27.620 in the black the black culture clip um in a an apostle of the lord jesus christ might come

00:50:32.400 to american blacks and say for every 1000 black babies born alive in our country you kill 474

00:50:40.760 that's according to the very liberal pro-choice gutmacher institute no pro-life christian

00:50:45.600 organization, which means that 474 out of every 1,474 babies are murdered. That's one third.

00:50:55.120 It's more than one third in America. Imagine a people that every year they took one third of

00:51:01.120 their newborn infants and they brought them to the city steps and they gutted them like the Aztecs

00:51:06.620 did and they threw their lifeless bodies down the steps of the Capitol. What would we call such a

00:51:11.140 people. Murderous, bestial, evil, hurting, wicked. They're hurting, Brian. Okay. So this is what I

00:51:17.880 want to do. And this is the point. I want to be able to, with the, in the spirit of the apostles

00:51:23.400 and the spirit of the, of the, are the Christian forefathers that we fall on the steps of to say

00:51:27.480 of that people, of, of our own people, of the, of all peoples, be able to say, you are

00:51:32.800 tremendously wicked. And here is particularly how, and yet God is so merciful and so kind

00:51:40.340 that if you will but turn to him and repent of these sins

00:51:44.740 and look to his cross and be forgiven

00:51:47.440 and then walk in repentance and be filled with his spirit,

00:51:51.800 even you can be saved from your sins

00:51:54.260 and even you can be transformed from that culture of death

00:51:57.800 into a culture of life and beauty.

00:52:00.160 Well, I think this is, you're absolutely right.

00:52:01.700 This is one of the things people miss.

00:52:03.800 I think because the church today and the preachers have been,

00:52:08.780 you know, Meg Basham pointed this out.

00:52:10.140 They've been for sale for a long time.

00:52:12.640 They've sold out to leftist organizations like the Ford Foundation.

00:52:16.540 And there's a lot of that in Megan's book.

00:52:19.580 And I encourage people to look into that if you doubt what we're saying.

00:52:23.260 But here's the reality.

00:52:24.860 When you actually look at the book of Acts, they are disrupting on exactly the cultural points that will cause the most uproar, the most rioting.

00:52:36.120 And it's a call to repentance.

00:52:37.420 But I think here's what's missed today.

00:52:39.340 the apostles had to go into the agora and they had to say that thing you're doing right there

00:52:48.180 silversmiths is a sin here's why it's a sin you need to repent they burn the books

00:52:53.300 and then there's a riot because they've disrupted not a church yeah they've disrupted an economy

00:52:59.960 great so they're they're speaking to an economic issue yep this would be i think an equivalent

00:53:06.040 would be saying, Hey, H1Bs. Yeah. Like this is a problem. You are not loving your neighbor when

00:53:12.280 you flood them with people who want to worship the Dalai Lama, Mahatma Gandhi, whatever.

00:53:17.540 When you, when you make, when you make your neighbors compete with the whole world for

00:53:21.060 jobs and houses and, uh, and our rulers do that, they're actually acting wickedly. They're hating

00:53:26.660 all that is good and they need to be exposed, opposed and cast out of society. We have to,

00:53:32.520 And the only way to do that is to start some riots.

00:53:35.020 Yes.

00:53:35.380 It's to actually be opposed.

00:53:36.280 Some people miss this too.

00:53:37.400 And maybe it may be.

00:53:38.360 You have to fundamentally be a disruptor.

00:53:40.600 That's what the apostles were.

00:53:41.840 And maybe some people missed this in the episode we did.

00:53:44.060 It might, like in the King's Hall,

00:53:45.560 we never know which particular thing is going to go viral

00:53:47.500 and reach a million people instead of 100,000

00:53:49.680 or reach 10 million people instead of the normal 50

00:53:51.780 or whatever it is.

00:53:53.140 We know our people.

00:53:54.240 And so we're talking to them.

00:53:55.320 And in that clip, the black culture clip,

00:53:57.660 that was what I was speaking to.

00:53:59.700 But implicit in it.

00:54:00.940 And what I, like, what am I trying to do in that?

00:54:03.040 I actually want for black Americans to hear the hard, bad news about the sin and sinfulness.

00:54:12.220 And if, especially if this describes you, if you're one of those men fathering children

00:54:18.120 for the slaughter or to be single, to be bastard children, or if you're one of these murderous

00:54:23.500 thugs that's walking around, if you're one of the, you know, if you're one of these multi-time

00:54:27.660 felons. You're one of the 24 to 33% of black males arrested for a felony crime in their lifetime.

00:54:32.520 If you're one of those people, I want you to turn from it. And I want you to embrace the Lord Jesus

00:54:37.020 Christ, be forgiven of your sin and join a better culture, the culture of Western civilization in

00:54:42.220 general. And in particular in America, the culture of Anglo-Protestantism. And I want you to walk in

00:54:46.500 life and peace and joy and leave behind that wicked culture and join a good Christian culture.

00:54:53.480 It was like a guy in our church. We were having a conversation. He was like, he was half black.

00:54:58.360 And he said, yeah, when I was like 11, they put a gun in my hand. He was one of these like

00:55:03.680 downtown gang banging kind of half black kids, a gun in my hand on the way to a life of death

00:55:10.780 or prison. Okay. That's what he was on, on the road to. And somewhere along the line,

00:55:15.100 when he was still a young man, a Southern Baptist preacher in Utah got ahold of him

00:55:20.440 and rebuked him sharply and said,

00:55:23.800 do you know where you're headed?

00:55:25.380 You're headed to death in prison.

00:55:27.180 Do you want that?

00:55:28.400 And then he gave him a job mowing his lawn.

00:55:30.720 And that was the turning point for that young man.

00:55:33.480 As someone told him the truth,

00:55:35.200 they didn't go, oh, I don't want to,

00:55:36.600 you know, he told him the truth and he helped him.

00:55:38.920 He loved him.

00:55:39.300 And now that man is like a great Christian man,

00:55:42.500 wonderful family, like worships the Lord,

00:55:44.720 totally different legacy for his generations

00:55:48.200 are going to come from that.

00:55:49.920 That is what we're aiming at when we stand up to any culture and say, you're beset with sins, you're beset with wickedness, and you need the Lord Jesus Christ.

00:55:58.000 Yeah, and that's the point is like to love people, you have to be willing to disrupt the status quo.

00:56:03.720 And you have to be able to call out the sin so that they can repent.

00:56:08.860 So that's what I would say, like Acts chapter 2, you have these mass conversions by the work of the Holy Spirit.

00:56:15.000 And we all pray for that, but do we have the courage to actually address the issue head on?

00:56:22.500 Say, these are your sins.

00:56:24.580 One of the things that it requires, Brian, not only for the person speaking the truth, but then there's all these people, like in our church, where really in the sermon what you're addressing is like you need to have courage.

00:56:36.560 You need to not be the kind of person that sees the protesters.

00:56:40.920 And, you know, by the way, like the CREC church in D.C., like they face this.

00:56:47.000 We were talking to some of their elders, like they face this every week.

00:56:51.120 The sect F goes to their church like it is.

00:56:54.740 The things that I've seen on social media, like they're yelling profanity at people there, as we've experienced, like just to put this in perspective, like people are yelling derogatory things at our kids.

00:57:07.820 they're talking about how they're going to steal our kids and make them trannies

00:57:11.620 they're talking about how they want to rape our wives they were chanting about how racist we were

00:57:16.660 and then as the first service ended and they started coming out the door the very first

00:57:21.320 family out the door is the blackest family in our church like absolutely complete like like

00:57:28.280 no they just totally totaled and they were like faltered for a second well they didn't know what

00:57:33.220 wait a second this is the idiocy of it was like the people who got it worst were like

00:57:37.740 a white man married to a mexican lady i'm leaving the church and they're screaming at her saying

00:57:43.680 you're a mexican racist and you're like i'm sorry yeah and then we've got the city council woman

00:57:50.020 across the street joe burka joe burka is an absolute raging leftist that needs to be unseated 1.00

00:57:55.700 probably incited antifa to be there she's like filming and posting positively about like yeah

00:58:01.400 no hate in ogden i'm like no hate in ogden you're probably funding some of the you know some like

00:58:06.780 your groups are probably terrorist organization you're cheering on the people yelling obscenities

00:58:11.780 at women and children no hate in ogden f you kids no hate in ogden and so you mexicans need to stop

00:58:21.840 supporting these you hate in ogden and i'm like you got there it's it would be funny if it wasn't

00:58:28.260 so serious and dangerous and wicked and evil because it's so it's such a caricature of truth

00:58:33.340 goodness and beauty yeah and so in the face of that what we need is courage you were speaking

00:58:37.500 to this so then the question arises which you addressed but what is courage what are its

00:58:43.140 constituent parts yeah like how do we actually dissect it a little bit learn maybe the anatomy

00:58:48.440 of courage but what is it because what is what what happens if you're like if you are filled

00:58:53.420 with the besetting sin of cowardice cowards go to hell according to revelation so it's a big deal

00:58:56.780 I think there's multiple parts. We have to understand that courage is willing to embrace

00:59:01.540 risk in service of glory and good. Like courage is the disposition to say, I'm willing to wager

00:59:08.440 something. I'm willing to risk something, my life strength, whatever it is, income, reputation for

00:59:16.040 the sake of what is true. Courage is willing to endure disapproval for the sake of what is good

00:59:25.140 and true and beautiful. It's willing to have a lot of people stand up and say, you're evil. I hate

00:59:31.100 you. You should be killed. You should be fired. You should be doxxed. And really, I think C.S.

00:59:37.000 Lewis in the Screwtape Letters, he gave one of the best paragraphs on courage ever when he talked

00:59:44.100 about how courage is the testing point of truth. Do you have that quote? Yeah. Yeah. This is so

00:59:49.240 good. He said, courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the

00:59:54.920 testing point, which means at the point of highest reality, a chastity or honesty or mercy, which

01:00:00.200 yields to danger will be chased or honest or merciful only on conditions. Pilot was merciful

01:00:05.840 till it became risky. And his point is that, and this is what I charged the church with on Sunday,

01:00:11.320 this test of nerve therefore is a test of all of our work, not just some of it. A test of our

01:00:17.320 courage like this is like a test of the mixture that we used in every brick that goes into the

01:00:22.720 house. It's not just like a test of the paint on the walls. Courage is the testing point of every

01:00:28.700 virtue, which means that if we fail to be courageous, all of the virtues that we thought

01:00:34.140 we had crumble to the ground and turn out that we didn't have them at all. Like if I'll be honest

01:00:38.800 about what is true only until somebody threatens me with death, then I'm not really honest.

01:00:45.360 Right? Every single virtue is like that. If I take it to the point of testing where it requires

01:00:50.300 courage to stand on. And then all of a sudden I'm like, no, I don't think I can stand there.

01:00:55.320 Well, then that virtue that I had, it turns out that virtue is real, but it's not mine. I don't

01:00:59.440 have it. Even though I had the illusion of it up until it was tested. Yeah. And one of the things

01:01:04.240 I loved, um, the first week that we had protesters, I think the Lord loves to do this. Like he uses

01:01:10.900 the widow's might to kind of shame the powerful and the wise and, um, you know, all of that. And,

01:01:17.900 And there was a widow, an older widow in our church, walked in, saw the protesters and looked at a couple of us pastors and said, good, good.

01:01:27.360 We must be doing something right.

01:01:29.580 Meanwhile, there were able-bodied, strong men and many women who were like, maybe the pastors could have put that a little different.

01:01:39.040 This is uncomfortable.

01:01:40.000 Oh, this is going to be difficult for our family.

01:01:45.640 Like, what will my kids think?

01:01:46.720 now here's the other beauty this is why i think the kids are going to be all right

01:01:51.520 yeah the issue i had on that sunday was listen to me you may not you may not engage you may not

01:02:03.660 bodily remove the protesters from the premises the number of young men that i in my own sons

01:02:10.580 included because like you know there's the temptation to cower in fear that is not the

01:02:18.200 majority impulse the impulse was like it's it's shocking i will meet the evil at the gates uh it

01:02:24.580 was like a little little one of mr sen's one of pastor sen's boys he was uh leaving after the

01:02:31.200 service because you know pastor sen he stays and helps conduct the liturgy and so um he's leaving

01:02:35.460 with mom they attended the service and you know she's she's talking to him and he's like in the

01:02:40.040 car crying he's like i want to help protect the church i can't leave he's like four or five

01:02:47.880 he's like he's like in tears because he can't go and stand sentinel on the steps of the church

01:02:54.980 with the other men who were there making sure that the antifa people didn't kill anybody

01:02:58.760 you know or something like that our kids i said in the sermon our kids if we fail the test of nerve

01:03:06.180 one of two things will happen in our generation.

01:03:08.780 Number one, we'll leave unfought battles for them

01:03:11.120 and they will be far more courageous than us

01:03:12.760 and it will be to our shame.

01:03:13.960 Or number two, we will give them the false example

01:03:16.360 and they'll follow in it and they'll become worthless.

01:03:18.620 But I'm not worried about it.

01:03:20.340 I think our generations are gonna be way worse than us

01:03:22.980 in a good way.

01:03:25.020 Like St. Brennan students, look out world, look out Ogden.

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01:06:42.820 no and i think uh correct me if i'm wrong but i think courage is one of those things it's a muscle

01:06:48.440 that has to be used yeah and used regularly yep so for example everybody's going to face a different

01:06:55.060 situation but um the bailey is one of the families that you mentioned in the cold open

01:06:59.080 i love this because the wife i think was posting and resharing some of our content yeah and saying

01:07:07.160 hey this is true and then her husband starts getting like really nasty reviews on his business

01:07:13.500 yeah and she says to him she says he says to him she says she says to him she says um you know

01:07:21.500 should i back off and he said absolutely not no but you understand how this works like the left

01:07:28.040 is like oh we're gonna do damage to your business or your reputation in the community and the

01:07:32.620 temptation would be backing down but if you have the muscle of courage yeah i've talked about this

01:07:38.360 before but when i was in colorado i had spent a lot of time during covid with friends who had

01:07:43.160 just moved from california yeah and what was interesting to me is that all of us who were in

01:07:49.740 colorado we were kind of like man i'm not sure what to do the guys from california were like nope

01:07:54.860 this is tyranny like from day one they were like absolutely not we know our rights and the reason

01:08:00.260 was because they had been having that muscle tested regularly in california in california so

01:08:05.520 they knew what it looked like immediately oh yeah they were like nope not gonna do this so it was

01:08:09.760 like how many sundays were we close i think one because we were told like the black plague is

01:08:16.140 coming and then like week two it was like absolutely not we're done like we're not doing

01:08:20.700 this we don't have to do this um so i think i guess what would you say to that just encouraging

01:08:26.140 people to, how do you use that muscle more? Yeah, you have, it is a muscle. You have to be

01:08:32.520 courageous every, like at the test, courage is always a test because you're faced with some fear

01:08:38.200 and they're trying to leverage that fear to accomplish their totalizing, tyrannizing mission

01:08:43.180 of death, destruction, and chaos. So you have to identify the stakes and then say, no, I'm going

01:08:48.400 to pass every test of courage. I'm not going to run from a battle. I'm going to be wise and

01:08:52.240 strategic and all that, obviously innocent as doves and cunning as serpents, but I'm, I'm never

01:08:57.820 going to turn back from the battle. And it starts with the internal courage of like, confess your

01:09:02.720 sins, you know, being honest, doing hard things when you're, when you're, you know, swear to your

01:09:08.280 own hurt and don't turn from like, there's all these little tests of courage that build the

01:09:13.180 muscle so that when the big one comes a big, a big one, I think be a huge test of courage for men in

01:09:20.080 our generation, is that one of the tactics of these kinds of threats is to make our wives so

01:09:26.880 scared that the wife becomes the tool of control in the hand of the enemy. And they say, oh honey,

01:09:34.840 like maybe don't say that thing. Maybe don't talk about that anymore. Maybe don't take that stand

01:09:40.440 at work anymore. I'm worried about our livelihood. I'm worried about our safety. I'm worried about

01:09:44.320 this. I'm worried about the kids, et cetera. And instead of that, that's a test of courage on two

01:09:49.240 fronts one it's a test of the wife's courage to not do that and instead say some things are worth

01:09:55.200 dying for some things are worth facing risk and loss for and i want a courageous husband not a

01:10:02.400 coward like sam houston's mother yeah this you mentioned the spartans yeah it's the comeback

01:10:07.220 with your shielder on it um i i do love this i pulled this up yeah sam houston's mother um had

01:10:13.300 told him this she said my son take this musket and never disgrace it i had rather all my sons

01:10:19.760 should fill one honorable grave than that one of them should turn his back to save his life

01:10:25.040 so she's talking about fleeing from the fight yeah and she said go and remember that while

01:10:29.900 the door of my cottage is open to brave men it is eternally shut to cowards wow so that's the

01:10:37.520 first that's what you want for the ladies and your wife had posted something on x

01:10:42.180 and she said i could never be married to a coward and i was thinking like there you go when i heard 0.95

01:10:49.020 it i was both encouraged and i was like we have ladies who are like you know the the stories of

01:10:55.100 the spartan women are great in this they're just like that yeah where they're like where the

01:10:59.660 spartans wouldn't go and fight a fight that needed to be fought and the women would say 1.00

01:11:03.100 shall we take up arms for you yeah let's go do we need to take your swords and go for you because 0.61

01:11:09.060 we will. And you can sit here and shame because you're all cowards. This, by the way, is what

01:11:12.560 Debra was and why Debra is not a good example of why we need lady fighters, but actually a heap of

01:11:17.700 shame upon the cowardice and failure of the men. Yes. Right. So this first test of courage is that

01:11:23.000 our wives would pass that test. And the second test of courage on that front is that the men

01:11:26.520 would pass that test when their wives don't. Is that when your wife says, honey, I'm scared,

01:11:31.180 I'm fearful, that he would give her this pep talk. He would say, honey, what are our lives for?

01:11:35.980 do we exist for our own pleasure comfort and safety or do we exist for the glory of god and

01:11:40.780 the good of our people yeah are some things worth fighting for are we willing to to are we willing

01:11:45.960 to experience loss and endure reviling and hatred and persecution for the sake of truth or are we

01:11:51.680 cowards and to exhort his wife and give her that pep talk and say let's get like to lead her and

01:11:58.360 not give way to her fear but be the strength be the bulwark of the home that sets the tone and

01:12:04.560 teaches the wife, teaches the children how to stand firm and exercise that masculine edge of

01:12:09.600 courage. And even to say, look, this is no joke. Obviously God didn't appoint women to go fight

01:12:15.280 our battles, but God did make a world where men, women, and children for the sake of Christ must

01:12:20.980 be willing to lose even their lives. And that is why we opened with the story of Perpetua and

01:12:25.900 Felicity. We could go on and on. There's dozens of Christian martyrs who were women and children

01:12:29.920 in the first three, four centuries of the church's existence.

01:12:34.140 And they stand as a monument to spur us on

01:12:38.260 to say that all of us together, not just the men,

01:12:42.140 but the men, women, and children,

01:12:43.500 all of us must with courage oppose Satan and his works

01:12:46.180 and stand strong for the Lord Jesus Christ and his kingdom.

01:12:49.680 Yeah, and I think part of training the muscle,

01:12:52.440 Pastor Griffin and I were talking about it this week,

01:12:54.620 but part of training the muscle,

01:12:57.220 this is why we have Fox's Book of Martyrs.

01:13:00.740 And just from a pastoral encouragement, I guess, to people in the families would be to say, when you're doing family worship, you know, be reading these stories, be reading the stories of the faithful martyrs, but also just brave men and women throughout history who have, you know, to quote Chesterton, fought a losing battle and not lost and stood firm.

01:13:25.380 I think having those stories that fuel our souls is really important here.

01:13:31.820 And then it encourages us.

01:13:33.280 I was thinking of the martyrs.

01:13:34.380 You know, today we're in one of those situations where people are saying, well, but if I don't use the pronouns in the meeting, I'll be blacklisted.

01:13:43.880 The number of pastors that I've talked to, and they've said things like this.

01:13:48.000 Well, you know, I'm going to play the long game here, and that basically means I'm not going to say anything.

01:13:53.720 I'm going to hide my true beliefs.

01:13:55.380 flags are not out front they're hitting them in my closet yeah and eventually the way that we'll win

01:14:01.640 is by this shadow game of hiding the true belief and i'm like you're cooked no you're cooked you're

01:14:09.900 already cooked no it absolutely not this is like all the pca pastors right now that are like

01:14:15.400 secretly going wow i mean i really appreciate that michael foster's pointing out all the

01:14:20.300 deaconesses and shepherdesses and all this like, you know, fake lady pastor offices that they're

01:14:25.760 setting up. And I really agree with them, but you know what? I'm going to keep real quiet because

01:14:30.140 I don't want to get in trouble with presbytery. And I say, do you want a binky? Do you want a

01:14:35.480 blankie? What, what do you, do you care about the PCA or do you hate your people and your

01:14:39.780 denomination? You want to see it go to the leftists because that kind of absolute yellow

01:14:43.720 bellied spineless cowardice is how you let the PCA go to the, you better stand up and say to all

01:14:48.900 the big churches and all the press put me under charges, I don't care. Because here's the problem,

01:14:53.620 conservative cowardice is a besetting sin. It's a besetting sin. And if we universalize our own

01:14:59.000 behavior to test it, we discover what the result of this kind of cowardice is. If I say, what if

01:15:03.200 every pastor in the PCA was like this? What if all of them decided to be quiet? Pick whatever

01:15:09.960 battle you want in whatever denomination or place. What if all of us just stay quiet and keep our

01:15:14.380 most cherished beliefs. This private little secret thing that I keep between my ears. Me and the Lord

01:15:19.680 know about my convictions. Well, they're not really convictions then. You're not convinced of them.

01:15:25.080 You're not convicted of them. You're not going to contend for them. You're not going to stand on

01:15:28.720 them. But what happens if the even 10% of Christians who actually see the problems and go,

01:15:34.200 this is probably 0.1% right now are speaking boldly on the issues, like 0.01% or something

01:15:40.260 like that what if that rose to three percent what if it rose to ten percent we would turn the world

01:15:46.500 upside down and this is why i go back to the way the lord shames us sometimes in a healthy way yeah

01:15:53.580 where it's like the widow who literally has nothing yeah will stand up and say the true

01:16:01.720 thing but you won't you have literally been given a microphone yeah to the people of god from the

01:16:07.260 lord on high yeah you've been given authority you have all this history of apostles and martyrs and

01:16:13.720 people who are willing to speak the truth and pay the ultimate price with their life and where a lot

01:16:19.960 of these guys are convinced is saying this is what it comes down to yeah but i i would probably be

01:16:25.620 kicked out of my church i don't want to cause problem i want to be real respectable like the

01:16:31.100 PCA, a lot of reform types, a lot of reform pastors, they have this absolute idolatry of

01:16:36.560 acceptance by the scholarly class. They want to be seen as academic and reasonable, sober. And

01:16:43.540 we don't want to be identified with those King's Hall types. They're just, man, they are so

01:16:49.260 impolite. They don't understand procedure the way that we do. And I'm like, what is your procedure

01:16:54.920 gotten you. You have procedured yourself into cowardice and impotent and impotence. So why

01:17:01.580 don't you stop thinking so much about respectability and whether that vaunted scholar

01:17:07.380 will approve of your, your, your choice of words. And why don't you take up a whip every now and

01:17:12.580 then and cleanse the temple? Why don't you actually oppose someone in a way where you will actually

01:17:18.000 hypothetically have a cost to pay? That's what courage is. It requires embracing risk in the

01:17:23.280 service of good and glory. If you won't embrace risk, then get out of the way. Let another man

01:17:28.360 take the pastor because you're not a true pastor. Oh, the shepherd's going to watch the sheep and

01:17:33.120 lead them to the green pastures. But what if wolves come around? Well, we should probably

01:17:37.000 call a committee for six weeks from now and write a sternly worded letter. Good. Okay. All the sheep

01:17:42.840 will be dead. Yeah, no, exactly. And I think part of it too is like, this is another way you've

01:17:49.460 mentioned this before of like building monuments right building monuments to the prophets you

01:17:54.540 would have killed them i'm the jay gresham gresham machin chair of theology shepherdesses

01:18:01.100 aren't a problem in the pca right wow well and also like thinking about this like the reformers

01:18:06.720 how many of them paid with their life yeah they were fired they were kicked out of countries

01:18:11.980 uh the huguenots other people were killed they were put to death and we claim that tradition

01:18:18.560 And then we're like, well, I just need to keep my views hidden so that no one is offended.

01:18:26.860 The elder's wife of that one guy might start stirring up problems and get me fired.

01:18:32.060 Well, then get fired.

01:18:34.840 Like, what a small cost to pay.

01:18:37.380 Go read when Paul's talking about all, you know, in 2 Corinthians, he's like, I was shipwrecked.

01:18:41.760 I spent a night and a half at sea.

01:18:43.300 Five times I received the 40 lashes minus one.

01:18:46.260 Like, how ashamed would Paul be? 0.94

01:18:48.560 who said the women need to keep silent in church and I don't allow a woman to hold authority over 0.99

01:18:53.060 a man. And then to find out that a bunch of like reformed pastors are going, yeah, but I might lose 0.97

01:18:59.040 my job. He's like, are you, am I a joke to you? Do you want to go to hell? Because that's how you

01:19:05.960 go to hell. Can you imagine? Well, just think about this. Can you imagine telling Christ,

01:19:10.520 I know you said to speak the true thing, but here's what you don't understand, Lord.

01:19:14.780 I could be kicked out of my denomination.

01:19:19.820 And the Lord is like, I was crucified.

01:19:24.540 No, Jesus, you don't understand.

01:19:27.960 The really cool scholar might say that I'm a fundie and it would hurt my feelings.

01:19:35.860 And Paul's like, I was beheaded.

01:19:40.120 Your thoughts.

01:19:41.440 Your thoughts.

01:19:42.220 yeah do you want to go to hell because that's that's how you go to hell you know it's like come

01:19:46.900 on yeah and i think part of the the courage that's required so i've had a lot of people say

01:19:51.400 this to me well you guys are in a unique spot though you're in a unique spot to speak the truth

01:19:56.580 yeah sure but how do you think we got here how do you think we got yeah that's exactly what i was

01:20:03.780 gonna say it's like it we didn't luck into it no how do you first we had to be kicked out of like

01:20:10.640 a lot of cool tables. Do you know how many people have left this church? More people than attended.

01:20:16.700 Do you know how many struggle sessions I've been called into on the Saturday by some lady in the

01:20:21.060 church that's like, I'm concerned about this Calvinism thing that you don't really love

01:20:25.980 people. How many times we've faced this whole like trap that's in this, basically the impossible

01:20:32.480 to win situation where they say, you guys seem so convinced of these things. I think you're proud

01:20:37.780 and uncorrectable and how I will know that you're not proud and uncorrectable is if you agree with

01:20:42.260 everything I say you're like well hang on I don't think that's how this works well and also like

01:20:48.700 just the number of people I've talked to and there's been a lot of them where they say something

01:20:52.180 like I'm really glad you guys are at the tip of the spear fighting if you could just keep fighting

01:20:58.700 and like sort of keep any association that we may or may not have like kind of on the DL

01:21:04.740 yeah we've had those emails i'm telling you dozens and dozens hey i'm super glad you're

01:21:10.080 fighting please don't tell anybody people you would be shocked please don't tell anybody you

01:21:14.260 know me know and like the king's hall and look i get there is a tactical when someone's in an

01:21:19.040 institution and there's tactics and there's things at play we've said it before we're not saying

01:21:22.740 every single acquaintance of ours or someone that appreciates our work has to be like i'm flying my

01:21:26.820 king's hall flag out front it's not about us that's actually not the point we're trying to

01:21:30.040 make it's not a we're not the test of courage whether you like the king's hall or not the test

01:21:34.280 of courage are the tests of courage and you know them they're the ones you're trying not to think

01:21:38.240 about right now that thing that you're trying to think like i think the lord would really like me

01:21:41.860 to maybe risk it all on this thing and i've been really shrinking back for the last six months or

01:21:46.540 a year or 10 years or my whole life you know what the test of courage is it's not about us

01:21:50.960 it's about christ and his kingdom and his glory and the truth well don't you think where are you

01:21:55.500 willing to say man i really appreciate it when that other guy talks boldly about this but i

01:21:59.960 certainly couldn't well don't you think too part of the problem like this is one of the temptations

01:22:04.780 you have to face as you're addressing courage in general is that i think especially for smart guys

01:22:10.660 smart guys have the most elaborate workarounds oh yeah like you convince yourself that you're

01:22:18.140 doing the honorable thing we follow in the footsteps of jay gresham machin by not telling

01:22:25.220 anyone what we believe do you know what the man did do you know do you have you read his story

01:22:32.820 yeah like he and part of it is this too i think um what we've seen culturally is there have been

01:22:43.220 guys leading and speaking the truth saying damn the torpedoes i know the cost yeah i'm going to

01:22:50.320 speak the truth i mean i remember in my gun writing career i had people coming to me when

01:22:55.020 I started the hard men podcast and they were like, you are cooking yourself.

01:22:59.720 You will never work in this industry again.

01:23:02.360 And I remember thinking, I know that is probably true.

01:23:07.560 Yeah.

01:23:07.800 I have made a lot of enemies, but I also made another calculation,

01:23:11.820 which you mentioned in the sermon.

01:23:13.600 If somebody in this generation doesn't grow a spine and fight the battles that

01:23:21.120 the Lord has given to us, if somebody is not willing to pay the cost, then in my cowardice,

01:23:27.560 my children will have to fight those battles that I was supposed to fight.

01:23:31.500 Yep.

01:23:32.260 I want to be like Caleb.

01:23:34.260 I want to be 80 years old and the young kids are like, I don't know if we should take that

01:23:38.180 hill.

01:23:38.660 And you're like, what a bunch of wimps. 0.98

01:23:41.100 Let's go.

01:23:42.040 I'll lead the charge, sonny.

01:23:44.180 He wasn't really decrepit.

01:23:45.860 Yeah.

01:23:46.000 It's like our children are going to have battles appointed for them in their generation by

01:23:50.720 God.

01:23:51.120 but may they not be battles that were appointed by God

01:23:54.000 because of the cowardice of their fathers.

01:23:56.160 May they not be battles that they have to fight

01:23:58.260 because we were like, oh, that's really scary.

01:24:00.520 Someone might not like me.

01:24:02.120 How much worse are the battles that we refuse to fight today

01:24:04.780 going to be in 20 years if we do nothing about them?

01:24:07.120 There will be no country for our children to inherit.

01:24:10.320 In 20, 40, 60, 80 years,

01:24:12.540 if Christian men today don't rise up

01:24:14.500 and stay absolutely no more, not one more inch,

01:24:17.100 not one more step, not one more compromise,

01:24:19.200 we fight here. We, we rise or fall here. We live or die here. If men won't do that today,

01:24:25.560 their children are going to fall to a much stronger enemy or have to at least fight a

01:24:29.580 much stronger enemy in 20, 40, 60 years. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's a good word. Um,

01:24:34.880 as we're kind of wrapping things up and kind of the question I would have is what, you know,

01:24:42.260 what do you hope to accomplish through a piece of content like this? If there was a harvest that

01:24:48.740 came from this? Yeah. And there's a goal. What are we hoping would happen in the church, culturally,

01:24:57.100 among Christians? What would you want to see come out of something like this?

01:25:02.340 There's two basic things. Yeah. Number one, on the original things that got us in trouble in this

01:25:07.840 whole arc, I want to tell the truth about the setting sins of America and various peoples in

01:25:16.480 America in the hopes that people will be convicted by the Holy Spirit of their sins, turn from those

01:25:22.240 sins, trust in Christ, and walk in repentance from those things so that our nation won't be under

01:25:27.460 judgment and downfall with the blood of a million babies on our conscience and foreigners babbling

01:25:34.560 and worshiping foreign gods and bringing their demons into our country. That's one thing I want

01:25:38.640 to happen. But the second thing is I think the means by which that happens, humanly speaking,

01:25:42.860 that God would deploy.

01:25:44.140 And that is that I just want to provoke

01:25:45.640 about 50,000 more men to be courageous.

01:25:50.040 I want, and I don't know all the things

01:25:51.860 that God would do with 50,000 courageous men,

01:25:54.000 but I know it would be tremendous.

01:25:56.120 50,000 men that are privately going, yes, I agree.

01:25:59.600 Yes, I think this is true.

01:26:00.700 Yes, these are the battles of the day.

01:26:02.080 And they would move from that position

01:26:03.820 to these are the battles of the day

01:26:05.540 and they are appointed for me to help fight.

01:26:08.200 And so I'm going to courageously pursue solutions

01:26:11.280 on these things.

01:26:12.440 even if it costs me.

01:26:14.340 I wanna provoke men,

01:26:15.600 I wanna provoke men and women in many ways

01:26:17.740 to conviction for the besetting sin of cowardice,

01:26:20.940 to identify it everywhere it lives in their lives,

01:26:22.980 to repent of it and to walk in obedience to the truth,

01:26:27.060 bearing fruit in keeping with repentance,

01:26:28.420 which looks like being courageous,

01:26:31.880 being men and women of character and of virtue

01:26:35.380 so that at the testing point of all of those virtues,

01:26:38.380 they would stand and not fall.

01:26:40.820 And all of that, because I love the Lord Jesus Christ.

01:26:43.420 I love his gospel.

01:26:44.520 I love my people.

01:26:45.640 I love my nation.

01:26:46.840 I love my city, county, state, nation.

01:26:50.000 I want good for it.

01:26:51.600 And so I want these hard things to happen

01:26:53.780 so that good can result for her, for all of them.

01:26:57.760 Yeah, one thing I would say too is just to,

01:27:01.100 if you're like one of the pastors

01:27:02.240 who's kind of been on the fence

01:27:03.480 or you've been pulling your punches,

01:27:05.820 I think you ought to read the stories of churchmen

01:27:08.520 like Daniel Keene and the Bailey's.

01:27:10.820 And I think, just to put it bluntly, I think that you should be utterly ashamed of yourself.

01:27:16.340 100%.

01:27:16.820 That you're a leader and you're being showed up by people who are the sheep in the church.

01:27:22.880 By coffee shop owners.

01:27:23.840 By coffee shop owners.

01:27:24.820 And auto detailers.

01:27:26.420 Like, you ought to be ashamed of yourself.

01:27:28.500 And that shame, God willing, would drive you to repentance.

01:27:31.540 That's right.

01:27:32.040 And say, what am I doing?

01:27:33.800 I'm letting my people, I'm not leading from the front.

01:27:36.400 I'm letting my people take the blows.

01:27:38.700 Yeah.

01:27:39.260 I'm letting other good men take the blows.

01:27:41.520 That's right.

01:27:41.940 And I'm not willing to enter the fray because I know what the elders' wives on session will say.

01:27:47.060 On so much of this, that is the testing point for these men.

01:27:49.600 It's so shameful that this is the testing point, but feminism is so rooted in our culture that the testing point of most elders today is are you willing to endure the shrieking and reviling of unrepentant loud women?

01:28:00.360 Yeah. 0.92

01:28:00.580 Are you willing to endure the shrieking and reviling of unrepentant loud women who manipulate their husbands and try to get you fired?

01:28:07.340 If you're not, you're not worthy of the pastorate.

01:28:09.820 If you're thinking to yourself,

01:28:11.260 but if I say that from the pulpit,

01:28:13.040 if I lead that way in the church,

01:28:14.960 I know 40, 50, 100, I know a ton of women in the church 1.00

01:28:18.500 that are gonna be absolutely wildly offended by it. 0.68

01:28:21.420 Guess what?

01:28:21.900 You're refusing to flush out the sins

01:28:23.980 that are present in your congregation.

01:28:26.400 You are unwilling to pastor the women in your congregation

01:28:28.980 to repent of their besetting sins

01:28:31.360 if you're unwilling to face their displeasure.

01:28:34.100 And trust us, you will face it.

01:28:36.320 yeah and that that's part of the problem i think a lot of these guys they'll read like joe rigney's

01:28:40.660 book the sin of empathy yeah um and they'll be like oh yes amen like we need to we need to stand

01:28:47.100 up to that but then your test comes and i know because i've talked to him there's so many guys

01:28:52.700 where they're sitting there thinking i know but if i say that thing that's true i know three elders

01:29:02.120 wives who will be pissed yep and i think that that's a test of courage that's right here's

01:29:09.240 the thing i will tell you as someone who has been through that one of my greatest fears in all of it

01:29:16.060 was that my sons were watching yeah and i didn't want them to know that their dad was a coward

01:29:24.520 that's right i didn't want to be a coward before my own people and so i i counted the cost and i

01:29:32.200 said this is probably what's going to happen we talked through it as a family and then it was full

01:29:38.440 send and so there's also an upside to this too when you walk out maybe you get fired maybe you

01:29:44.820 get kicked out but you have your dignity you walk out with your head held high you know that you did

01:29:50.720 the right thing. And you have the Lord's approval. And this is what all this to me comes down to.

01:29:56.380 You have to fear the Lord, not men. That's right. You have to fear God. We had an elderly lady in

01:30:02.740 our church in Colorado when I was pastoring. And she was one of the things that put wind in my 0.96

01:30:10.060 sails. I preached her funeral. Elderly lady. And when we would come to these tests, she would say

01:30:16.320 to me, Eric, do you fear the Lord or do you fear men? That's right. And man, I was like, the Lord

01:30:22.820 put this lady here. She's just a widow. And she was like, be courageous. Speak the truth. Do it 1.00

01:30:29.860 for your people. Yeah. Ladies have to understand how heartening you can put the wind in the sails

01:30:33.660 of your man and the men in your life, the elders, your husband, like your sons by giving them 0.99

01:30:39.720 permission is the wrong word for it. By exhorting them to courage and letting you let letting them

01:30:44.400 know not only that, um, you're behind them, but that you believe they have what it takes to go

01:30:49.840 fight these battles and you'll follow them through hardship for the sake of it. One last thing on

01:30:53.560 this in courageously confronting this, these sins and being willing to endure even the reviling of

01:30:57.940 women in light of it. People sometimes get the impression that we mean like being really rude

01:31:01.780 to women. It's actually, this is perfectly consistent, all of it with Paul's exhortation

01:31:05.760 to let your reasonableness be known to all men. Be gentle. When you're talking about the flock as

01:31:10.520 a pastor, you're correcting people with complete patience and teaching. You're going back, you're

01:31:15.540 bringing them the word, you're bringing them the truth over and over and over. You're answering

01:31:19.080 the objections. You are being gentle with them. You're like, all of these things are true. And

01:31:23.640 I want you to understand though, that even if you do all of those things, right, there will still

01:31:28.440 be cost and people will still hate you and they'll still revile you. And some of the nice pastors

01:31:32.560 out there need to understand that, that when the reviling comes, it doesn't mean that you did the

01:31:38.380 wrong thing. It doesn't mean that you weren't gentle enough or weren't reasonable enough that

01:31:42.740 you didn't have complete patience in teaching. It doesn't mean even that you didn't correct the

01:31:46.640 older man, not as a younger man, but with dignity. And no, you can do all those things right. And

01:31:51.120 you'll still have a cost to face. Okay. It doesn't mean that you have to rant like we do on the

01:31:56.400 King's Hall about some of these subjects. It's a different medium. If you saw us in a counseling

01:32:00.620 room, if you saw a shepherd, like it's a totally different mode and gear and context, and it

01:32:06.680 requires a totally different type of skill and pastoral wisdom. We're not saying throw all of

01:32:13.960 that out. No, we're not saying that at all. We're saying, even if you do all of that right,

01:32:19.100 if you truly stand for the Lord on the issues that are most pressing today,

01:32:23.600 you can expect even then to face hatred, reviling. And it's ultimately because

01:32:29.380 um satan doesn't care about what's true he hates you satan could lose in a debate to you and he

01:32:38.240 would never say oh i acquiesce the syllogism was correct that was a modus ponens and it was both

01:32:44.700 valid and sound the premises were true and the the conclusion followed from the premises with

01:32:51.660 force it's he's not gonna satan's gonna go oh yeah well let me try to kill you can i ask one

01:32:56.680 question and in closing um and the question is this i we've seen this a lot i've seen a lot in

01:33:03.420 the last 10 years the overton window has shifted and there are guys who are waiting for it to open

01:33:10.860 enough for them to speak the true thing when it's acceptable yeah they're waiting for the tide to

01:33:19.360 shift why would you counsel and encourage especially pastors leaders business owners etc

01:33:25.560 Why would you encourage them to not wait until it's favorable?

01:33:30.660 It's because when we talk about the Overton window shifting, we're not talking about some

01:33:35.120 theoretical political euphemism that has no bearing on the good and the soul and the life

01:33:41.340 of our neighbors. We're talking about the victory and triumph of good over evil, of truth over

01:33:47.080 falsehood, of beauty over ugliness. And so you should be asking the question, will that Overton

01:33:53.020 window move towards truth and goodness and life and beauty faster and more effectively if more

01:34:00.260 men would be on the battlefield than if not? And the answer is yes. So the fact that it took the

01:34:06.040 Overton window 10 years to move to where it has today on the issue of transgenderism means that

01:34:11.740 there were 10 more years where children were being chemically castrated and mutilated legally,

01:34:16.540 where they were being torn from their fathers by wicked mothers and vice versa. That was 10 more

01:34:21.440 years where thousands and thousands of people mutilated themselves and committed suicide and

01:34:26.300 died and went to hell. Because guess what? There were thousands and millions of Christians in

01:34:32.440 America who looked at it and said, I know that's not right. I know that's wicked. But if I oppose

01:34:38.340 it, oh, if I oppose it, I might have a cost. It might cost me my job. It might cost me social

01:34:43.960 ostracism. You're basically the guy with his sword and his shield. You're standing on the

01:34:48.180 sidelines and you're saying when the battle turns in our favor and it looks like we're going to win

01:34:52.760 then i will rush into the fray what would you say to a man like that you're a coward you're an

01:34:57.140 absolute coward you're an absolute coward you're unworthy of the uniform of your of your army

01:35:02.280 you're unworthy so we're all going to get some of these things wrong we're all going to like and

01:35:06.860 there there's a difference where sometimes you you're not certain on an issue and you're way

01:35:10.640 and you're thinking you're way that's good like don't don't be hasty don't be rash be wise but

01:35:16.060 don't let a supposed or alleged concern for the truth and for thoroughness and your arguments

01:35:22.400 keep you from joining the battle when you know what is true and you're actually just scared of

01:35:27.840 the outcome. You're scared of the cost. I think that is an encouragement and an exhortation

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The King's Hall - October 24, 2025

A Test of Nerve： Leftist Hordes, Protests, & Saying True Things

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