The King's Hall - Building Thousand Year Families

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00:00:42.040 In this episode of the King's Hall Podcast, we'll be talking about the story of Henry Ford,

00:00:46.620 as well as a great book from Johann Kurtz on building thousand-year families.

00:00:51.220 But first, in answer to a question many of you have been asking us over the last few months,

00:00:56.120 Where's Dan?

00:00:57.380 The answer is here.

00:00:59.060 Dan is still here, still one of the pastors at Refuge Church,

00:01:01.900 still working to build the new Christendom here in Ogden.

00:01:04.480 But as life unfolds, sometimes things change.

00:01:08.120 Sometimes duties and calling changes.

00:01:10.300 As we've grown, Dan has been more and more involved in some of the great work

00:01:13.940 in the world of Christian business in our broader network.

00:01:17.080 As a result, he'll be moving on from hosting the King's Hall podcast.

00:01:21.280 But before you cry yourself to sleep tonight,

00:01:23.280 we welcome dan back for one more episode of the king's hall

00:01:26.780 where we'll catch up with the good work he's been up to with that said on with the show

00:01:53.280 At the time of his death in 1947, Henry Ford had built a massive family empire

00:01:58.680 that in turn fed a thriving metropolis in Detroit.

00:02:02.300 Thanks to him, Detroit became a crown jewel among American cities.

00:02:06.740 One historian estimated that Henry had donated nearly $40 million in his lifetime

00:02:11.440 to charitable causes and community enrichment.

00:02:14.540 And that's something like $900 million adjusted for inflation, by the way.

00:02:18.620 He built a world-class hospital in Detroit, as well as the Henry Ford Museum,

00:02:23.100 and Greenfield Village in Dearborn, Michigan.

00:02:25.760 His hope, he said, was to preserve

00:02:27.960 at least a part of our history and tradition.

00:02:30.940 Ford went beyond mere obligation to his home city and workers

00:02:34.260 in order to create good lives for them.

00:02:36.700 He didn't, however, believe that charity meant

00:02:38.820 giving people handouts of cash,

00:02:40.480 but involved providing them with meaningful activity

00:02:43.260 in which they could enrich their own families.

00:02:45.980 Ford once said, quote,

00:02:47.340 I do not believe in giving folks things.

00:02:49.480 I do believe in giving them a chance

00:02:51.500 to make things for themselves.

00:02:53.100 end quote. He had led the automobile revolution, supported the massive war effort, paid his

00:02:59.320 employees well, and given richly and charitably to his own community. Rather than living as a

00:03:05.200 selfish hedonist, he saw his wealth as a thing with great attendant obligations. Throughout his

00:03:10.420 time as president, he ensured that all company stock was owned by family. It's estimated that

00:03:15.820 Ford Motor Company was worth $1 billion at the time of his death, and the company held a whopping

00:03:21.000 $700 million in cash. Again, adjusting for inflation, that's $14.5 billion and $10 billion

00:03:29.040 respectively. Ford believed that a family-run business would not only protect and ensure his

00:03:34.720 legacy, but continue to enrich the lives of his employees and fellow neighbors. He would train

00:03:40.680 his sons and grandsons to run the business according to well-established principles and

00:03:44.840 virtues, not primarily for the sake of minuscule and short-sighted percentages of increase in

00:03:50.100 shareholder profit. Ford and his heirs had an aristocratic sense of noblesse oblige. They had

00:03:56.400 great wealth, which they believed was to be used to bless their city and people with quality jobs

00:04:01.900 and a high sense of morality, which included enriching them with an appreciation for great

00:04:06.840 art, flourishing neighborhoods, first-rate museums, beautiful community parks, and crime-free streets.

00:04:13.700 Henry's son Edsel sought to pay homage to the Ford name by building Ford House in the 1920s.

00:04:19.240 an architectural wonder on the family estate on the shores of Lake St. Clair, Michigan.

00:04:24.620 He invested heavily in architectural design to reflect the grandeur of Cotswold's cottages

00:04:29.360 with sandstone exteriors and a slate roof covered in moss and ivy. The interiors featured 16th

00:04:36.000 century oak paneling and fireplaces transported from English manor houses. 14th century stained

00:04:42.220 glass was shipped from the old world to accent his illustrious vision. Cezanne's hung in the

00:04:47.460 drawing room. The magnificence of the estate anchored the family in history as their work

00:04:52.180 continued to shape their community and the world. However, troubled waters lay on the horizon for

00:04:57.840 Edsel. He had an enormous problem to confront. In 1935, FDR pushed through tax reforms that

00:05:05.520 demanded 70% of large inheritances. When his father died, Edsel realized the family would

00:05:11.600 be forced to liquidate their stock to pay taxes, which in turn meant that they would lose control

00:05:16.920 of the business that bore their name. What he decided to do was donate the majority of non-voting

00:05:21.940 shares to a charitable foundation in order to reduce the percentage of their taxable estate

00:05:26.960 enough that their children could afford to cover the cost of retaining their shares in Ford Motor

00:05:31.800 Company. On paper, it sounded like a good plan, though it was a great sacrifice of wealth. The

00:05:37.300 Fords would keep power of the company, gain a powerful philanthropic foundation, and be able

00:05:42.340 to direct funds for significant public good. Sadly, Edsel died at the age of 49 of stomach

00:05:48.660 cancer. A few years later, in 1947, Henry died. With large injections of funds after their deaths,

00:05:55.740 the Ford Foundation ballooned in size and scope, becoming the largest philanthropic organization

00:06:01.380 in the world. Henry Ford II took over and eventually gave in to pressure from outside

00:06:06.880 to democratize the foundation.

00:06:09.300 Shares were divided.

00:06:10.660 The Ford Foundation moved to New York City

00:06:12.700 and the mission of the organization totally changed.

00:06:16.140 Instead of trying to change their world in Michigan,

00:06:18.300 it was now the stated goal to change the world.

00:06:21.760 By the 1970s, Henry Ford II

00:06:23.980 had lost total control of the foundation.

00:06:26.760 In fact, it was so bad

00:06:27.960 that when he requested the Ford Foundation

00:06:30.200 donate money to Henry Ford Hospital in Detroit,

00:06:32.920 the organization's president, McGeorge Bundy,

00:06:35.920 openly denied him. With the move to New York, Detroit was left to crumble in ruins. Today,

00:06:42.320 the city is a dark parable of economic destruction, moral decay, and inner city violence.

00:06:48.800 But the dying population and city could rest assured. Ford Foundation had a global mandate

00:06:54.080 to spread democracy, freedom, and education reform around the globe. Eventually, the foundation

00:07:00.300 became enmeshed with a radical leftist agenda and the deep state, including the intelligence

00:07:05.160 community. This started in 1958 when former U.S. Assistant Secretary of War John McCloy

00:07:11.140 became foundation chairman. With his hiring, he began staffing the foundation with former

00:07:16.800 intelligence agents. As author Johann Kurtz said, quote, the scale of the foundation's

00:07:22.720 collaboration with the intelligence community eventually required the establishment of a

00:07:27.460 dedicated committee for dealing with the requests of the CIA, which used the foundation as a

00:07:33.040 mechanism for channeling funds intended to influence culture. The foundation became involved

00:07:38.280 in various covert operations, particularly in West Berlin, end quote. By the 1970s, the foundation

00:07:45.860 was invested in eugenics and population control. Massive sterilization campaigns were directed and

00:07:51.920 funded in India, offering free vasectomies to millions. Pressured by the Ford Foundation,

00:07:57.580 Indian Prime Minister Indira Gandhi declared a national emergency and ordered forced

00:08:02.500 sterilizations. Six million men were sterilized in 1976 alone. Henry Ford II eventually resigned

00:08:10.100 in protest, having realized the catastrophic error of starting the Ford Foundation and then

00:08:15.480 allowing it to be taken over. Today, the foundation gives millions to Marxist groups and other leftist

00:08:20.560 causes aimed at crushing Western institutions and subverting Christianity. It donated $300,000

00:08:26.520 to build grassroots Muslim power, and another $600,000 to a Chinese think tank to establish

00:08:33.180 an ESG system in China. Think of ESG as a wokeness index for companies to be graded on.

00:08:40.260 Sadly, the Ford dynasty has crumbled. Yeah, FDR's Marxist collectivist tax policies were evil.

00:08:46.980 Yes, many forces were at play. And yet for all of that, Henry Ford II took responsibility,

00:08:52.680 saying, quote, I should have kept control, end quote. He didn't, and tragically, the family

00:08:58.160 legacy was destroyed. In his book, Leaving a Legacy, Inheritance, Charity, and Thousand-Year

00:09:04.180 Families, author Johann Kurtz talks about the tragedy of Ford and why it should make Christians

00:09:09.680 rethink the question of ensuring a family legacy. For starters, it highlights the massive problems

00:09:15.640 with the very modern notion of philanthropy, which claims that you should give your wealth

00:09:20.280 to an organization with all the post-Enlightenment scientific credentials needed for social planning.

00:09:26.260 In the end, these funds are run by leftists who skim off the top,

00:09:29.740 are largely ineffective, or worst of all, are wildly effective and successful

00:09:33.900 in unmooring society from the tradition of Western civilization.

00:09:38.560 As Kurtz points out, this is a failure to actually understand our Christian duties

00:09:43.160 or what biblical charity actually requires.

00:09:46.420 As he writes, quote,

00:09:47.380 the truth, uncomfortable for some, is that much of the world does not need limitless money from

00:09:52.680 an unseen hand. It needs direct leadership based on personal relationships. Family is the proper

00:09:59.260 vehicle by which your wealth should be carried into the future. Money is a mercurial force and

00:10:04.960 cannot be sent off into the world unmoored from family and community and be expected to do good.

00:10:10.360 It must be stewarded by a strong custodian, ideally prepared from birth to trammel that

00:10:15.980 wild force in virtuous directions, end quote. As we'll discuss in this episode of the King's

00:10:21.500 Hall podcast, Americans have imbibed the hedonistic notion that their money is their money to be spent

00:10:27.960 on personal pleasure and creature comfort. Ideally, the money runs out the day they die.

00:10:32.900 They leave nothing to their children because they think this will surely spoil them. Yet we also

00:10:37.580 want to cast a positive vision, one that points you to the glory of building a thousand-year

00:10:42.520 family dynasty full of hope in God's covenant promises. As it turns out, disinheriting your

00:10:48.260 kids won't actually save them. Instead, you should be prepared to build whatever wealth you can,

00:10:53.900 raise children worthy of empires, and leave a lasting legacy. The King's Hall podcast exists

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00:15:00.660 Welcome to this episode of the King's Hall Podcast. I'm one of your hosts,

00:15:04.180 eric con joined today by one and only one host brian sauve that's not true that's not true

00:15:11.460 that's literally a lie hey can we cut to dan because people were asking for proof of life

00:15:15.660 he's alive i'm here if anybody was going to kill anybody like i think you would be

00:15:22.100 physically stronger well more viking blood yeah that's true i mean you definitely have a menacing

00:15:29.280 look about you dan welcome back thanks for having me eric you're welcome gentlemen we are here

00:15:36.840 to talk about leaving a legacy a book that has become near and dear to my heart you guys have

00:15:44.000 sort of read it read parts of it i i haven't i couldn't even say that i intend to read it

00:15:50.520 i was given exactly like three days of notice that we're gonna be recording yeah i got it i

00:15:57.060 read it in a day and i said read the book i also didn't own the book at this time dan actually

00:16:02.140 fulfilled part of his obligation to do that i mean that wasn't even an obligation but

00:16:06.240 yeah well dang it looks really good though oh yeah i'm looking forward to reading especially

00:16:12.080 after the cold open yeah henry ford's had stuff jeez we can't get into it we we or all or it'll

00:16:19.980 be all the way it actually reminded me when you you brian had done the that cold open on the

00:16:26.100 aristocracy in England when they would lose their estates because of the state taxes and

00:16:31.720 inheritance taxes. So yeah, it was really sad. Very sad. Evil FDR. A terrible guy. Absolutely

00:16:40.660 terrible guy. Cabinet. One of the worst cabinets of all time. Why? There were reasons that his

00:16:48.500 cabinet was bad. Um, there were a lot of immigrants from the Eastern Europe in his cabinet. What kind?

00:16:54.800 eastern european we're not gonna say i'm not we're not gonna say but they were circumcised

00:17:02.480 all i'm saying is read colonel john beattie have you ever heard of the iron curtain over america

00:17:09.240 i've ever heard you'll learn all about bolshevism yeah i mean no but legitimately this is actually

00:17:14.240 legit so diana west in her book uh american betrayal goes through the history of world

00:17:19.720 war ii and she's like she was like on cnn and stuff she's not like some weirdo you know yeah

00:17:27.400 cnn highly credible it's the best news source definitely no wackos on cnn i know that for

00:17:34.640 mainstream so you know that like cnn isn't going to platform somebody who has like alt-right like

00:17:40.680 nick fuentes no no um but no she said she was like yeah no fdr's government the new deal all

00:17:47.780 of that was marxist like through and through yep so you know do you remember they like made joe

00:17:52.040 mccarthy look like a total wacko yep and he was absolutely right about everything he was right

00:17:56.340 yep and to to brian's point yeah a lot of these people came from eastern europe yeah in the 20s

00:18:01.600 and in before small country called germany yeah some of them came from germany they left for some

00:18:07.400 reason and then they came here yeah and they got involved in government and then they were also

00:18:11.880 highly influential a lot of his cabinet in future american presidencies like truman and a lot of

00:18:18.220 mccarthy stuff was related they were they were one basic movement that continued it's actually

00:18:24.960 interesting reading about uh lenin because part of the bolshevik movement they had things like

00:18:29.160 philanthropy this this emphasis on philanthropy which is actually historically new like just

00:18:35.140 think about what you're saying hey dan um yeah don't worry about taking care of your family uh

00:18:39.400 why don't you give the government all your money?

00:18:42.440 Trust us, we'll take care of you, right?

00:18:45.700 And that's basically what they did.

00:18:47.720 And you can see it with the estate tax as well.

00:18:50.560 You've got, I mean, 70% tax on the Ford.

00:18:54.820 I don't even know what you would have done.

00:18:57.160 It's nothing you could do.

00:18:58.340 A lot of the estates, like Dan said,

00:19:00.100 in the episode in the English context.

00:19:04.000 You sell off part of it.

00:19:05.040 They would, some of them attempted to, through debt, maintain their estates.

00:19:10.000 But what would happen is that a family would, they would inherit.

00:19:14.320 So the firstborn son would most often would inherit the whole estate to keep them together.

00:19:19.860 Firstborn sons.

00:19:20.440 And then I'm actually.

00:19:21.980 Neither of you are.

00:19:23.440 I'm a firstborn.

00:19:24.920 In my own mind.

00:19:26.180 Not in reality.

00:19:26.880 Literally, you have an older brother.

00:19:29.040 In reality, we are not firstborn sons.

00:19:32.140 So we would have been out of luck from the beginning.

00:19:33.720 Not our problem.

00:19:35.040 And then they would have had these, you know, sometimes up to 90% bills.

00:19:39.060 They would mortgage the whole estate.

00:19:41.260 They would get a big loan.

00:19:42.220 And then for their whole life, they would be trying to pay it off while the estate falls

00:19:46.180 in a disrepair because these estates are hundreds of years old or sometimes more in

00:19:50.200 their origins.

00:19:51.180 And they would require massively expensive repairs.

00:19:54.980 So they would, instead of doing that, they would have to spend their money servicing

00:19:58.820 the debt.

00:19:59.460 And then they would fall into ruin until eventually they just chopped them up, sold

00:20:03.980 off all the lands and many of them basically became no longer estates through this same thing

00:20:10.020 in the u.s they basically forced people to give all their money to the government not just through

00:20:15.380 the taxes but you think about it the ford foundation was functionally at one point it

00:20:20.940 became a government entity it was a private foundation but it had so many tentacles of

00:20:25.640 government in it it might as well have just been an operation of the cia well this is the thing

00:20:30.260 that confused me when i was writing the cold open and you're talking about the cia and the

00:20:34.900 ford foundation that like they're running major portions of it and agents are working for it

00:20:40.520 um but he seemed to insinuate by stating clearly and directly that the cia was trying to undermine

00:20:47.920 like western cultural norms in america no no no i don't guys that can't be they wouldn't do that

00:20:55.160 to us no the cia they're about democracy and freedom the next thing you're going to tell me

00:21:00.800 is that the fbi has done wrong things before what i wouldn't believe it's unbelievable don't be

00:21:07.160 spoil the name of our overlords like that i teach you i don't yeah there were people calling for

00:21:14.980 the dismantling of that organization recently unbelievable very prominent people and uh maybe

00:21:20.320 that's part of it yeah uh as you get into this yeah actually the thing that's funny what happened

00:21:27.300 to those people like where did they go uh they don't have names or they've been memory hold

00:21:32.740 is basically what happened uh as we were also reading the the cold open brian one of the words

00:21:38.600 that stuck out to me was one that's near and dear to my heart which was sazani's i knew i knew this

00:21:44.740 i knew this was coming eric what is your favorite saison would you say uh probably fall really fall

00:21:51.440 i like the touch of the snap and you got hunting i mean it's pretty cool golf season in the words

00:21:56.560 of brian regan you know i love wind tear so yeah i actually i was writing the cold open i love how

00:22:05.080 you wrote that sentence and i was like and then texted me and said what does this mean i was like

00:22:10.160 oh yeah he filled his home with sazani's and then i was like hey brian do you know what a sazani is

00:22:14.600 and he was like yeah it's like some kind of impressionist painter it's a it's a guy he's a

00:22:21.500 painter i don't think i don't like his stuff to be honest it's all like post-impressionism and

00:22:26.660 early like cubism stuff and dan's also a big fan of impressionism like you know like a good picture

00:22:32.880 of john wayne you know oh yeah you're not into didn't i was thinking more like comedians that

00:22:39.060 do impressions i think that those guys are great dude what's his name that does the trump

00:22:42.820 oh shane gillis shane gillis yeah they were beautiful dogs that is my kind of impression

00:22:48.940 post-impressionism is the laugh after the impression okay so yeah um so apparently

00:22:56.760 ford had bad taste in paintings but they were expensive yeah i mean like henry and edsel ford

00:23:02.460 we want to just fill our people with high art and high culture i know that that's what you're

00:23:10.440 all about eric it is yeah yeah i actually live for that yeah i mean just look at the man

00:23:16.360 exuding culture look at him he's like a renaissance painting i took my armani jacket

00:23:22.400 off right before we came in here okay he didn't want to want to be pretentious no that's right

00:23:26.440 i'm a man of the people wait that's right what does that make me eric you know what never mind

00:23:30.440 eric are you wearing a rubber wedding ring it's actually still like

00:23:36.900 he's a man of the people

00:23:40.200 uh during my bulk phase my

00:23:45.820 what was that from 1998 to 2024

00:23:51.100 your bulk phase hey hey hey yeah i added at least four pounds of muscle during that period

00:23:58.600 why would you point that out i didn't that's my bad what a horrible yeah i'm sorry um

00:24:06.760 One of the things that we did want to talk about, Dan, we mentioned this in the early part,

00:24:11.560 and I actually just got lost in my notes and sidetracked by Impressionism.

00:24:16.360 But you have been busy with a number of things.

00:24:23.120 You have a child.

00:24:26.000 I had a child, yep.

00:24:27.700 Obviously busy.

00:24:30.120 You want me to just fill you in on what I've been busy with?

00:24:33.580 You have a new child.

00:24:35.120 Uh-huh, yep.

00:24:35.740 uh you got to lars augustus dude what let's go so boy obviously yes yes no it's it's a girl

00:24:45.360 powerful girl hello my name is lars yeah no so you have a i mean a beautiful wonderful

00:24:53.100 new son you have 13 sons feels that way sometimes latest five yep five sons uh you so yeah i want

00:25:03.320 you to fill me in. One of the things that's exciting, uh, you did recently meet somebody

00:25:08.860 who is a very close personal person that I follow on eggs. Yeah. Uh, but you met Tucker Carlson.

00:25:16.480 Yep. I got to meet Tucker Carlson. I went to a event in Alabama with our, it was hosted by our

00:25:21.740 friend, Brian Dawson with 1819 news. And yeah, I got to meet him. It was, it was a very exciting.

00:25:28.440 Did you see all the 30 seconds? You know, it was great. I got my picture taken. So there's proof.

00:25:32.500 everyone else got 10 though and he took special interest in you he did he did because his assistant

00:25:36.820 had to drag me out because he and he was following he was following he was following me

00:25:40.640 he likes me what do you think it is about your aura that won him over like you guys are obviously

00:25:49.400 best friends now but is it just your comedic good looks your comedic sense of humor good looks

00:25:56.920 what kind of good looks are comedic these i look funny apparently honestly i think it was because

00:26:06.400 with all of the people that were there from alabama i was from ogden utah and he was like

00:26:11.580 that's really weird why are you here what's going on that was probably it yeah so very cool uh

00:26:16.740 working on some i don't know how much you can say want to say but oh no i can working on uh

00:26:21.660 business deals yeah that's been a lot of the stuff that you've been involved in yeah yeah so a lot of

00:26:26.300 the stuff that I've been working on in the background has been, we did an episode on this

00:26:31.500 with David Reese for an ammunition company. We're doing a private equity raise, asking investors to

00:26:37.420 trust us with their funds so that they could get big fat returns and build a Christian ammunition

00:26:42.740 company, which is pretty sweet. Which we need more of those. Yep. And there's another raise going on

00:26:49.120 right now for a steel fabrication facility in Alabama. That's part of the reason why I was down

00:26:55.100 there is to tour the, the plant. It's, it's a pretty cool business. Um, and so if anybody wants

00:27:01.520 to invest as an accredited investor wants to talk to me and you want to help American manufacturing

00:27:07.180 that's right. It's Renaissance. Yes. Which is important. And they're this, this steel

00:27:12.300 fabrication place. Isn't just like doing, um, building erections. Uh, I can't say that word

00:27:18.820 without, um, anyway. So, uh, like steel, steel buildings, they call it erecting a building.

00:27:24.940 Yeah. Yeah. I didn't get, uh, they do a lot of custom work. It's really cool. Uh, these guys

00:27:29.360 are craftsmen that the average 10 years over 18 years for the employees there, their turnover rate

00:27:35.560 is crazy low. Uh, these guys are really committed to their work. They are truly, I mean, it's like

00:27:41.060 when I toured this facility, I thought it was going to be assembly line. These guys, no, they,

00:27:45.800 they have these unique projects. Most of them are custom. And so these welders will work

00:27:51.540 from concept all the way to completion on the same project. And it's really cool,

00:27:57.420 the work that they're doing. It's really special. So yeah, if anybody wants to invest,

00:28:01.540 good returns, you know, great stable business, been around for decades and decades and decades.

00:28:05.860 So if they want to invest, they can contact me. I'll get the referral or something. I don't know

00:28:10.040 how that works. Contact Eric Kahn with any of your questions. He can send you the financials.

00:28:15.120 yeah that'll be great sign an NDA yeah so you've been doing a lot of business stuff yeah um part

00:28:20.560 of it too is um as we embarked on this project with new christendom press it's brought us into

00:28:27.000 conversation with a lot of builders yes and so i think what's interesting is like things took off

00:28:33.260 we we did a show for hardman podcast the other day and they were like where's eric what's eric

00:28:37.860 doing. And I'm like, well, the work keeps growing. Yeah. And so this kind of part of it is that

00:28:43.880 I feel like maybe Lennon was correct. VI Lennon, bear with me. But he said that, you know, there

00:28:52.620 are years where it seems like decades happen. And we were talking earlier just about like the summer

00:28:58.700 and how much has changed even since then. But there's been a plethora of good work, which I

00:29:03.160 think is really exciting, but also a lot of key people doing good work that we're getting to meet.

00:29:07.980 You're working with these guys. I guess just walk me through that experience, what that's been like

00:29:12.440 for you in terms of just seeing how many good men are doing good work around the country.

00:29:18.940 Yeah. One of my favorite parts about the work that I've been doing with investing and looking

00:29:24.580 at these businesses is that a lot of the guys that I'm talking to, they're like self-made men.

00:29:29.420 they they came from nothing um like one guy that i've worked with in the past his his uh his mother

00:29:35.660 died when he was young and his father raised him as a single dad he was a firefighter and and this

00:29:40.360 guy like he just figured things out and he's been really successful just lots of lots of really

00:29:46.520 interesting stories and these guys are they're i mean not only are they interesting their their

00:29:52.740 competency is just unbelievable. Um, they are truly excellent at what they do and the way they

00:30:00.020 think is different than the way that I think. Um, you know, even in, uh, as I read, leaving the

00:30:05.920 legacy, uh, the book, you know, some of the ways that he's, uh, critiquing the boomer mindset,

00:30:12.720 I'm like, Oh, wait a minute. This is a lot of, this is how I still think, you know, kind of like

00:30:17.720 w2 social security 401k sort of you know even if you saw my investing series and all that and i'm

00:30:24.400 talking about bitcoin and trad fi and stuff like that trying to get creative there's still a lot

00:30:28.080 of that just ingrained in my mind and some of these guys are like the benefits the they're

00:30:33.520 they're like golden handcuffs they're they're only going to cap your potential you know working the

00:30:38.380 government job yeah that's great it's really secure your benefits are handcuffs preventing

00:30:42.640 you from actually building anything you know and so they go out there and they take risks with

00:30:47.300 real money and, um, you know, and build stuff and they're really successful at it and it's,

00:30:53.600 and they've had failures and how they get through those failures, how they manage that,

00:30:57.860 what they learn is just really fascinating. And then, and so, I mean, like being able to talk to

00:31:03.900 Christian attorneys, um, is really interesting the way that they know the law and the way that

00:31:09.680 they can actually use their Christian faith and helping other Christians when it comes to the

00:31:15.500 quagmire and unjust legal system that we have, you know? So, and, and these guys are, a lot of

00:31:21.300 them have this, uh, aristocratic sort of mindset where they really love their people and they

00:31:26.900 care about their people and their families and their generations. And they're doing the work,

00:31:31.360 um, that we've been, we've been talking about for a few years and leaving a legacy and building

00:31:36.680 culture, building churches, schools, things like that. So these guys are doing it. They're just

00:31:40.900 not on media. So you just don't know about it. I was going to say, that's the interesting thing

00:31:44.800 is um the number of guys it's been cool that we get to meet like i didn't even know they existed

00:31:50.500 but you talk about boomer mindset it was very typical of the boomers not to like invest like

00:31:57.840 particularly like the w-2 side of it where you know you build your 401k you have your investments

00:32:04.720 your stock portfolios whatever um but then if somebody said to you like hey do you want to

00:32:09.220 invest in a local christian business to give men in our church jobs they'd be like oh no that's

00:32:13.260 risky no i'm gonna sit on my nest egg i'm gonna spend it and then when i die i might give some

00:32:19.260 to the cat library so but when you hang around these guys not at all how they think or even

00:32:24.380 not at all you know their their children at the end like i saw it went very viral it was a tweet

00:32:29.020 maybe two weeks ago and it was a guy it was a financial coach financial advisor and he was

00:32:35.620 talking about a client of his who was you know in his early 60s sitting on 5.1 million dollars

00:32:42.060 in cash and assets, uh, in stock portfolio, the whole nine yards. Um, and his son was in his

00:32:49.000 thirties and had just was in the early kid years and was still renting, had never been able to buy

00:32:54.420 a house. And, and he was the financial advisor said it took him like multiple years to convince

00:33:00.580 the father. Don't you're thinking about giving this inheritance. That's good. But when you die,

00:33:06.960 you need to help your son get a house now. Yeah, but it'll spoil him, Brian.

00:33:10.920 And it took him some time, but he said he had just finished structuring a deal where he was able to give a $225,000 down payment gift. And that like a $5.1 million investment portfolio hardly touches the capital in that, the principal, a drop in the bucket and helps his son get a house. And he's like, do you want to, do you want to give him a big pile of money when you're dead? Or do you want to have a house where you can go play with your grandkids in the backyard?

00:33:35.840 yeah and it's like this mindset shift that we got so locked into it's interesting to see how it's

00:33:41.320 connected as well to policies to government policy trains us to think a certain way yeah the 401k

00:33:48.520 the tax advantage of the way that we're we're funneled to invest uh social security it teaches

00:33:55.380 us actually to think that way well in societally and part of that i think that's what you're getting

00:33:59.400 it as like, you lock that money away for most of your life. Then when you're, I think now it's 67,

00:34:07.860 when you're 67, then you can start to enjoy some of it. But, but even like, I woke up a little bit

00:34:15.520 to this. Not, it's not like, it's not as good as leaving a legacy. And there's so many hedonistic

00:34:20.360 failures of it. But like Tim Ferriss in the four hour work week, he does make a good point. He's

00:34:25.240 like why would you save all your money for the period in your life where you're basically about

00:34:30.740 to die well but it's tax benefited to hold on to it that long so you don't have to pay as much taxes

00:34:36.320 on that money it's another golden handcuff it's the didactic policy it's the didactic function

00:34:43.320 of law yes it law shapes custom yes it's not just the other way around so when you have a law that

00:34:50.700 makes it incentivized to oh i'll get these tax advantages and then everybody advising you says

00:34:56.180 well obviously you want the tax advantage you want this you want that that's really risky over there

00:34:59.840 it creates customs that then you look back on and you say this custom doesn't make sense

00:35:05.400 well the bad law created it and it's funny because among those family dynasties aristocracies things

00:35:11.760 that still exist like if you went and talked to these guys and you're like so what's your 401k

00:35:17.020 looking like they'd be like what like that's not i'll just go buy another business right and employ

00:35:23.960 you know 50 people 401k i don't own 401 000 businesses i only own 11 i don't know what you're

00:35:29.400 talking about what yeah so it's a very different way of thinking uh one of the other boomer things

00:35:34.800 that's addressed in the book and i like how he addresses it because he's not like railing at

00:35:40.360 boomers he's pointing out how it's unbiblical and unwise you know wise man leaves an inheritance

00:35:44.980 to his children's children but he is also kind of giving them hope like it's not too late to start

00:35:51.680 and like no matter where you are like because there are i've actually seen some older guys

00:35:56.460 who are like yeah i think i want to get off the sidelines and maybe i want to dip my toes in some

00:36:00.880 of the investment stuff but i think as you get older you start to realize i've seen this with

00:36:06.280 so many older people um you okay let's say you make it to 67 you retire you might die at 68

00:36:13.060 like there's a high probability as you get older people don't know this you know mortality rate

00:36:19.200 undefeated well one of the interesting things with talking to these guys that are high net worth

00:36:24.380 sort of men is that they have a different perspective of investments obviously than we do

00:36:30.720 because when we think of 401k or your brokerage account or something like that you're looking at

00:36:35.860 numbers and maybe technology or something like that that could separate a company right for what

00:36:41.320 they do. What these guys are looking at, they're not just looking at a business, but they're

00:36:45.300 investing in people. I think that's what you say, like guys are sitting on the sidelines.

00:36:50.060 The difference is a, is a mentality shift to say, I'm not just investing in, in a business. I'm

00:36:55.140 investing in people. I mean, a business is people, you know, and so much of the big S and P fortune

00:37:00.040 500 companies, it's not about the people anymore. No, you know, it's, it's about the product. It's

00:37:05.900 about the company. It's about the P ratio, things like that. But with these smaller businesses,

00:37:10.220 it's definitely about the people you're investing in men to do good work to build things that last

00:37:17.640 that's the important part so i think there's a when you're thinking about leaving a legacy

00:37:22.880 you're also investing in your children and in your grandchildren and your great-grandchildren

00:37:29.100 there's just a whole mentality that changes from from retirement you know making sure that you're

00:37:34.900 going to be taken care of in your in your old age because guess what if you take care of your

00:37:39.100 children and your grandchildren who's going to take care of you yeah i mean they will lord willing

00:37:44.340 if you've done a good job and the lord blesses you and that's something he talks about in the

00:37:48.020 book and um we'll kind of get into here in a minute but raising your children to run an empire

00:37:53.540 or you know whatever the family business is but he's like yeah like the idea that your kid should

00:37:59.720 have to go to college get out and then go search linkedin yeah is like sad so start businesses in

00:38:07.420 you're I mean who hasn't done that though I've done it yeah I got a job but I look at that and

00:38:12.000 then I also think yeah that's not ideal no like we need to start some businesses um and and

00:38:18.060 particularly you know one of them is you can start much earlier um you know I have an 18 year old

00:38:24.500 who's working full-time in a family business and it's like that's actually really beneficial

00:38:28.520 um it allows them to start a family sooner they have resources they have to work hard

00:38:33.520 yeah he doesn't have college debt classes trying to fill in a part-time job on the sides right

00:38:38.340 like all of that is really delaying having children yeah and then i look i look back on

00:38:43.940 my life let me wax poetic about my own regrets here as an older man no but i older yeah well

00:38:51.160 okay a man in my prime how old are you guys uh 40 the very young age of 40 dan is actually way

00:38:59.340 older than I am though. By the time this episode is released, I will be 41. Yeah. Like practically

00:39:04.640 a dinosaur. Geriatric. I get AARP ads already. Three months. It's a three month. Yeah. Uh, you

00:39:13.140 know, going through college, I took the long way around. I worked full time for a couple of years.

00:39:17.500 Um, and then getting married a little bit older and then sinfully delaying having children and

00:39:23.560 then trying to catch up. It's, I just don't want that for my boys. I'm tired, boss. I'm a 41 year

00:39:33.600 old man. I've got a baby. I've gotten tired. Um, uh, anyway, I don't want that for my boys because

00:39:41.620 I, man, like the setup that you have with your son that he's able to make like, you know,

00:39:48.640 a living wage. He's not raking in cash like crazy. He's not a trust fund kid, but you've set

00:39:54.720 him up to succeed so that he can have a family. He can continue to work. There's a clear path

00:39:59.900 forward. It's not dead end. Like he's not going to be doing grunt work for the rest of his life,

00:40:04.380 making the bare minimum just to get by. There's a clear, there's a clear path forward for him to

00:40:10.540 grow into. And it's, it's just, it seems like a great blessing, you know, to your son to have

00:40:16.260 that situation and i hope that for my boys as well well i think that's a big part of it too on

00:40:20.720 the economic engine side so a lot of people could be asking like why do pastors care about

00:40:25.540 economy in their local area and a huge part of it is a we want to keep our kids like retention

00:40:31.820 is a huge part of it but the other part is um like like you're describing as i look out and i

00:40:38.640 see all your kids and i see all your kids and i see these young wonderful beautiful families in

00:40:43.100 our church. I look at each of those individual kids and I'm, I'm looking at Lars and I'm saying

00:40:47.860 that kid is going to need a job one day. And in order to support his family and be a contributing

00:40:53.040 member of this, this community. And so one thing that we don't have to start all the businesses,

00:40:57.960 but we're definitely encouraging guys to say, Hey, if you've got that $5 million,

00:41:03.160 what if you bought a small business where 10 people could work or, you know, 20, you know,

00:41:08.780 and then you get into larger businesses, that sort of thing. But like a lot of people that's

00:41:12.040 actually within reach um you know adam madden pastor adam he's been on this show he's talked

00:41:17.960 about that same thing they were looking for productive family business found an existing

00:41:22.440 dog kennel yep purchased it and we're like we're gonna run this as a family it wasn't like what is

00:41:28.300 the passion of my heart that when i get up in the morning i think i just long to kennel dogs

00:41:33.560 which is actually a really bad idea no to start with that because if i did that i would just go

00:41:39.780 hunting every day until i ran out of money dan would be like i live in the wild i poach

00:41:45.360 the hunting season is not every day just for the the dnr i do not he doesn't poach i don't

00:41:51.660 poach he doesn't actually poach but i i think that sort of thing at like getting the community

00:41:55.460 focus that loving your people is a like it's a full orbed thing right and we do want to care

00:42:03.340 primarily as pastors for the spiritual but let's face it like are the men in our community going

00:42:09.720 to be healthy if they have no jobs, if there's nowhere for them to work. And if they have to

00:42:14.920 work at like that $30,000 a year job with, with no prospects. And I love seeing this in real time

00:42:20.620 in our community. Like, you know, we've got a plumber and I won't, I won't give them away on

00:42:24.800 the show, but great plumber in our church. I know him because he was, he not only cleared a drain at

00:42:29.700 my house last week, they backed up and flooded my basement. Then in the course of that, I noticed

00:42:34.220 that another one of my expensive household appliances was broken, my hot water heater.

00:42:38.500 So he was replacing that today.

00:42:40.180 I'll never financially recover from this, but he, he, he can, you know,

00:42:43.580 comes over great service, does a great job.

00:42:46.100 And in the last year there was another gentleman in our church that has

00:42:50.140 worked in various trades and good, you know, good worker.

00:42:52.660 And they had been talking and friends and he was like, Hey,

00:42:55.480 would you come work for me? He's like, well, I'm not a plumber.

00:42:58.300 Well, yeah, I can fix that. Come work for me. And here's the pathway.

00:43:02.040 These will be the years I'll pay you this much starting out.

00:43:04.700 You're going to be not that helpful to me for the first, you know,

00:43:07.160 but you're going to learn. And now they're, they're down the road of that. And he's, you

00:43:10.940 know, learning, learning the ropes, real experience, and everybody's going to benefit

00:43:15.820 from that. Not only is everybody going to benefit from that in that arrangement, but think about

00:43:20.800 the children and the community when that plumbing business run according to good Christian principles

00:43:26.000 by good Christian men, it's going to grow and it's going to have more employees than a handful

00:43:30.560 if, if they do. I mean, there are plumbing businesses around here that have dozens of

00:43:34.620 employees. Yeah. And that's just one little example of a business owner taking a risk and

00:43:40.200 a guy in the church taking a risk. And both of them are saying, well, we're going to make this

00:43:44.180 work, but we're, where are our kids going to work? Who else, how are the guys in our community going

00:43:49.600 to find work that we own? That's not just government contractors. You know, we have good

00:43:53.640 guys working for government contractors, but, but like where the handcuffs start to fall off a

00:43:58.440 little bit. Yeah. And it's just really cool to see how many different variations there are of this.

00:44:02.740 It's not one thing.

00:44:04.040 It's not just the guy with $5 million buying the business.

00:44:06.720 Sometimes it's a guy that learned a blue collar trade and then said, I think I've got this, the business skills to do the sales necessary and the administration necessary.

00:44:16.360 And then low and, you know, a couple of years later, you're employing people in your community.

00:44:22.380 Yeah, that's amazing.

00:44:23.560 And people can do this.

00:44:24.800 They're like guys really can do this.

00:44:27.060 I think part of the fundamental shift, and this gets to kind of one of the first errors he talks about, is that your money is not yours to spend.

00:44:34.860 Like, if you have an investment mindset, particularly investing in people, that's automatically you're not saying this is mine for hedonism.

00:44:43.240 Like, it's just to make me comfortable.

00:44:46.320 You're actually looking forward at the generations.

00:44:48.340 You're thinking about the covenant promises.

00:44:50.120 And you're saying, how can I leverage this to bless them?

00:44:53.780 Which he gets into is like, that's the definition of charity.

00:44:57.060 like loving people well with your resources uh you guys have seen this quite a bit so back to

00:45:04.360 this your money is not yours to spend you've seen the celebrities who are boasting about how they're

00:45:09.540 going to leave their kids nothing and they act like they're doing them a favor no i want them

00:45:14.020 to start at the bottom i want them to go on linkedin and they need to find their own way in

00:45:18.240 the world i just want to ask you first and foremost um what's wrong with this from a theological

00:45:25.600 perspective i mean there's a lot wrong with it and maybe brian if you want to start and then dan

00:45:31.520 we'll get your what's wrong well it just shows me that you're you don't have any substance

00:45:36.420 like that you don't have any vision for the world or people or your progeny or your your nation

00:45:42.440 you don't have a vision for the future you basically just you happen to make some money

00:45:47.200 doing this thing that wow you became a famous actor like you lightning struck and you had you

00:45:53.100 have found that you had this this strange very niche skill that happened to be very marketable

00:45:56.860 in your time one of these people was jackie chan by the way he said this yeah so if you could finish

00:46:01.200 whatever you're gonna say in like a chinese accent eric i've been in trouble a lot is he

00:46:07.220 chinese i think he is he's jackie chan i mean what a great actor too i mean yeah it really pains me

00:46:14.860 because you go but in this key area you're you lack substance because you don't actually

00:46:19.460 you're just thinking about this one very shallow one-dimensional way of thinking about your

00:46:25.720 children and basically you're you're you're confessing that you were bad at making virtuous

00:46:30.580 people yeah as a parent that couldn't handle this blessing they they couldn't handle it they turned

00:46:36.460 to drugs immediately it is extreme arrogance it is first to say like oh i was so good that i did

00:46:41.820 this all by myself and you should be able to do it too yes if you just work hard enough or whatever

00:46:46.800 not recognizing that it's either luck or providence or whatever you want to say um and so there's

00:46:52.860 arrogance there yes i mean and then to to your point about not having quality children that

00:46:59.420 could handle it like again i'm so great i can handle it but you cannot exactly just a very

00:47:05.240 arrogant person part of it too and i agree with the arrogance so you think part of it's also just

00:47:09.340 laziness like that if you were to parent well a you would have to have some sort of moral virtue

00:47:15.340 guiding you you you know you would have to know christ you would have to you know commit your mind

00:47:20.440 soul strength to the lord all these things like it requires a lot of you yeah they probably raise

00:47:25.720 petulant children yeah don't deserve it actually but they do that anyway absolutely wicked this is

00:47:30.460 because they didn't invest in their kids this is why i never understand like you know they're like

00:47:34.380 well i don't want to spoil my kids by giving them my inheritance and we're like look how your kids

00:47:38.480 turned out 30 years spoiling them and the other things there is a wrinkle to this that i that i

00:47:44.220 learned about recently that i was like that's interesting comes back to some of the didactic

00:47:48.560 quality of law creating custom is that one of the things that's happening some of the time

00:47:53.740 with these kind of ultra wealthy or celebrities that say this is that they're actually lying

00:47:58.880 for tax reasons really how do you do this tell me more about this lying for taxes

00:48:04.400 i like this it's not they're lying they're not actually committing a crime but they're lying

00:48:09.520 so what they're doing is sounds like a sin but okay there's forgiveness and repentance yep okay

00:48:14.040 they actually give all their money they give all their money to a foundation and then they their

00:48:19.700 foundation employs their children yes so they get the money through an end run that's tax-free

00:48:24.200 so it's not technically a lie and that also gives them it does also do some of the thing that they're

00:48:29.700 saying that like it gives them a salary instead of a hundred million dollars um that they know

00:48:35.520 is on because the foundation there are rules about salaries you trust there's all sorts of

00:48:40.060 You can't just, you can do that. You couldn't just open one and say, my salary is how much

00:48:43.760 money do we have in the foundation this year? It's $50 million. That's my salary this year.

00:48:48.080 It's all, you know, you can't do that. So there is some, um, some cause ultra wealthy people,

00:48:53.500 they don't, a lot of them don't pay these taxes. They come up with end runs, but even back to that,

00:48:59.380 the government gets it in the end because through NGOs and control of foundations and nonprofits,

00:49:05.640 they, a lot of them ultimately subversively gain control of large foundations anyway.

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00:52:21.400 in america is like you tax the crud out of people yeah and so now we have a world controlled by

00:52:27.300 philanthropic organizations you know soros money and black rock and all of that you know ford

00:52:33.980 foundation is one of the worst ones but it's also interesting uh he goes into this in the book as

00:52:39.000 he's talking about dominion the biblical idea of dominion uh he says it comes from the old french

00:52:43.740 which means to rule or to power the french term was derived from the latin dominium which is for

00:52:49.640 property or ownership so the root word here is domus meaning house so it's literally like dominion

00:52:56.180 is being the lord of your house uh david reese talks a lot about this with like economy is

00:53:02.060 oikonomos it's an outflow of the house right and and then this whole concept of taking dominion

00:53:09.120 requires that first of all you're ruling your household well uh which is is interesting to me

00:53:15.520 because going back to the children so you're telling me that you're like completely inept

00:53:20.520 like somehow you made a lot of money but you're completely inept at this biblical command to take

00:53:25.960 dominion which is for all men like you can't do that because you can't rule your household well

00:53:32.240 so talk to me just a little bit this concept of not spending your money on yourself and on

00:53:41.060 hedonism. But why is it important to understand dominion and property means that being rich isn't

00:53:48.440 bad. It's actually good to steward resources well. And part of the household duty is like,

00:53:53.820 we should train our children for that. Yeah. If Adam had been, if Adam hadn't fallen,

00:53:58.340 he would have been tremendously wealthy. He's the Lord of the earth, right? He's created from the

00:54:04.500 man from the earth is created to be the man of earth that rules in the name of God with the

00:54:09.760 breath of God in him, the spirit of God, the breath of God, he's supposed to be that kind of

00:54:13.800 guy. And he owns everything like in a vicegerent sort of way. So he recognizes in his lordship,

00:54:20.320 just like a man who owns a vast estate recognizes that that estate lives in a kingdom ruled by a

00:54:25.280 king. Okay. But he would have, I mean, think about the resources of earth and Adam's family,

00:54:31.680 this whole family line following, you know, imagine that they were righteous and never sinned and

00:54:35.440 didn't fall. Like you can see right there that it's possible to own everything and not be a

00:54:41.740 sinner and not be sinful. Like God owns everything and he's not a sinner. We have examples throughout

00:54:47.400 scripture of righteous, wealthy people like Job or like Abraham, for example. The lie is that

00:54:56.580 the stuff is what changes the equation. The stuff doesn't change the equation. It's the people who

00:55:02.580 have the stuff. If you can use, uh, if you can be faithful with a little, then generally you can be

00:55:09.400 faithful with more than a little, and you can be faithful with much and you're still being faithful,

00:55:13.620 but now you're even more potently faithful. Like you have opportunities that some, that people who

00:55:18.520 don't have much don't have, you can now be the Ford found like people. I don't think if you're

00:55:23.740 not familiar with the story of Henry Ford, how much good he did. He was the one who like basically

00:55:29.940 pioneered the 40 hour work week because he said in this industrial economy, they were basically

00:55:36.860 working people insanely. I mean, for a long time, we talked down on like medieval feudalism and

00:55:44.260 peasants, but they would have worked far fewer days of the year than the average worker today.

00:55:49.640 The feast days, they had tons of downtime. Their taxes were lower than our taxes in general.

00:55:55.760 and they were like feudal serfs okay so ford he notices that as the economy goes industrial

00:56:03.300 it becomes hyper efficient and then it becomes large and monopolistic and then it becomes

00:56:08.580 governed by shareholders and ultimately that becomes nation states intermingled with shareholders

00:56:13.100 and so the people are like seventh or eighth or ninth or tenth in line for the for in the

00:56:18.760 equation of what matters henry ford stepped in because he cared for the people and he said no

00:56:23.200 no no we're gonna work a reasonable amount of hours in a week we're gonna pay our people the

00:56:27.900 amount adjusted for inflation henry ford paid his factory workers is insane i can't pull it off top

00:56:33.760 my head he actually got sued for this really by the shareholder by like yes he because the other

00:56:39.460 i think it was the other auto man we'll have to do another show on this but uh other auto

00:56:43.300 manufacturers were complaining because he was paying people so much money and so they sued and

00:56:48.680 in the end he had to like i think he had to lower the wage it was because they weren't producing

00:56:52.160 enough profit, basically, I think. Talking off the top of my head, just from memory right now,

00:56:56.900 I think we're probably making some mistakes here and there. But basically, you look at what Henry

00:57:01.040 Ford did for hundreds and thousands of families in a whole community, in a whole place. He was

00:57:06.180 realistic about his abilities. Like he didn't try to fix the world like the later Ford Foundation

00:57:11.280 allegedly tried to do. And by that, they mean funnel money to themselves for political influence.

00:57:15.340 He was an accomplished author.

00:57:17.000 i get the reference for another episode um but it just shows you the power of a righteous man

00:57:26.140 yeah with much is he has great power he can do great good wasn't that a crazy thing like

00:57:33.380 the i didn't even know this because of what detroit is today um i know detroit because

00:57:39.340 there's a lot of crime um having gone through there like it's just like the think of like

00:57:45.120 the worst projects a lot of the areas are run down but i didn't know it used to be in in uh

00:57:52.040 johan says this he said it was the crown jewel of america yeah if if henry ford had been immortal

00:57:58.060 like just imagine and and so there's no inheritance tax all this stuff he lived forever

00:58:03.760 and henry ford had maintained his control over the ford foundation or not for the company there

00:58:09.960 would have been no ford foundation probably and done his thing we would have never had the ford

00:58:14.900 fiesta there would it would have saved us from the ford fiesta i wouldn't have driven a 96 ford

00:58:21.680 escort that was falling well actually that thing did go a lot of miles um but you can imagine what

00:58:27.100 would have been because he had the kind of principles that would have he would have looked

00:58:31.940 at the globalist exporting of manufacture overseas and the loss of our ability to

00:58:37.760 manufacture steel and do these kinds of things that we used to be the world powerhouse of and

00:58:44.080 we gave it to china now china does most of steel manufacturing i believe if he had been around at

00:58:49.820 the power of one good man could have changed i mean the the shape of the nation well it's really

00:58:56.880 interesting too this is actually why feminism could take off in the way it did was because 0.99

00:59:01.040 the uk and the u.s once you replace all the the kind of jobs that required masculine strength for 1.00

00:59:08.120 example and masculine interest and then you move to a fundamentally service-based economy

00:59:14.260 yeah the men were like yeah no i don't want to go be a nurse spreadsheets and service yeah exactly

00:59:19.460 so and and then you you see that like well now a woman if it comes to spreadsheets you know maybe a

00:59:25.720 woman they're probably there's lots of women who could do a spreadsheet better than i could 1.00

00:59:29.860 oh yeah most actually even if they don't know how to turn on a computer 1.00

00:59:34.600 hey that's probably true but can most women like deadlift 425 what a useful way to make money 1.00

00:59:44.100 eric deadlifts for a living that's and you only pull 425 0.99

00:59:48.380 there's no way you deadlift for a living and pull 425 yeah i i think this concept of like

00:59:55.820 noblesse oblige yeah which is related to deadlifting you'll find out in a minute through

01:00:00.720 imagination just close your eyes and turn off your mind just go with me uh but this concept

01:00:06.580 of noblesse oblige like that we had an elite ruling class somebody like henry ford who saw

01:00:12.340 you're gonna say me he saw it as his duty that like yes i have wealth but we have to take care

01:00:18.980 of our people uh one of the things that was interesting he was talking about why he built

01:00:23.240 museums and he said they said the henry ford museum like why did you build that it's just like

01:00:28.800 a statue to yourself and he said no he said i want my people to remember what great people they came

01:00:35.220 from and not just him he was talking about our forefathers company the family he's like you

01:00:38.740 should know where you come from you should know your people you should know your place i want

01:00:42.000 people to love uh this area one of the areas that was mentioned was dearborn michigan i know like

01:00:48.500 islam captured territory yeah now dominated by muslims i mean it's somalian muslim the actual

01:00:55.660 insanity of well it's really ford foundation type people uh intelligence communities absolute

01:01:01.920 leftists globalists all of alex jones's favorite people but i and i'm serious like as we're talking

01:01:09.200 about leaving a legacy we have to face the reality that like we have a real big challenge on our

01:01:13.840 hands yeah you have fdr type people who are just like yeah i tell you what you built your you spent

01:01:19.620 your whole life building that inheritance, give me 70, 70%, right? You're, you're destroying

01:01:26.520 private property ownership. Um, so we do have real challenges. Um, as you think about this though,

01:01:33.080 uh, in building your own legacies for your families, uh, what does give you hope

01:01:39.260 currently in the current situation? Obviously scripture, there can be, uh, certain things

01:01:45.200 that you see, but what gives you a hope to, to build? I think that a lot of the projects that

01:01:55.060 we've been, you know, building here has really, I mean, we've changed minds, like inspired people

01:02:00.920 to build. That was the whole point of us starting new Christendom press was to inspire builders

01:02:05.440 to build the new Christendom. And I think that's been successful. And there've been lots of men

01:02:12.340 who are already doing that yeah that we've connected with and and the thing is the quality

01:02:19.140 i think of the generation that we're raising is going to be potent and i mean they're like

01:02:26.400 going to be battles to fight for them and i think that they're going to be ready one of the things

01:02:32.060 i pray for for my boys is that uh the lord will give them the feet of deer and set them up on high

01:02:37.600 places you know essentially give them the feet for the paths in which they have you've ordained

01:02:42.800 for them to walk in yeah you know and so there are battles that are coming and i think that

01:02:49.420 they're going to be ready for them and so my hope is that the lord will be faithful to his church

01:02:55.340 and to his people and he will not let us be consumed by the leftist hordes gay race communists

01:03:02.500 Muslims, but that, um, he will equip our people and our future generations by helping them,

01:03:11.140 uh, by being a blessing so that they can stand on our shoulders and do greater works than us.

01:03:16.860 I pray that my boys would be, um, better men in me and more excellent in every good and righteous,

01:03:24.020 righteous thing. You know, I hope they wouldn't be better sinners than me.

01:03:27.100 I have to caveat that in my prayer, like, but not better at this one thing, but not like that.

01:03:35.700 So, uh, but I seriously have a lot of hope in that because most of the work that we're doing,

01:03:41.220 let's, let's be honest. It's seed work. Yep. Like it, that's you're, you're winning, right?

01:03:47.160 We're winning, but in just a very small way. And the Lord has blessed us tremendously. The Lord

01:03:53.640 is blessing people all across the United States that we're talking to, but a lot of it is seed

01:03:58.220 work. And I think that if the Lord blesses the work, who, I mean, who's going to stop us? The

01:04:04.900 Lord is on our side. What can man do to us? So I, I mean, that's why I have hope. That's why I have

01:04:11.880 hope. And so, yeah, the encouragement is to just continue to be faithful in the seed work.

01:04:16.760 Yeah. I think that that's a good word. Don't despise the day of small things and realize

01:04:22.240 the scope like we've talked to a lot of guys who are builders and it's like they want to get 10

01:04:26.520 generations worth of work done in one yeah yeah can't do it and you need to trust that the lord's

01:04:31.300 building right you're gonna plant yourself in the ground yeah instead of like trusting the seed

01:04:37.560 seed work the small work yeah and part of this too it's really interesting i i was thinking

01:04:41.880 through this in terms of like in the right kind of way like how does leaven work it's sort of

01:04:48.440 submersive and subversive in a sense, right? It's under the surface. It's all these truths that

01:04:53.600 we're teaching our kids and family worship, uh, whether it's St. George and the dragon or

01:04:58.480 teaching them about money. Um, and even the things about, you know, he goes through this too in the,

01:05:04.980 in the book, but education, right? That's no small thing to start a school. It's not very like

01:05:12.360 huge and amazing and like awe-inspiring right now. It's just some kids in a classroom.

01:05:18.440 but what might that be one day, you know? Yeah. Yeah. What were you, what were you talking about

01:05:22.980 with, uh, our kids as they have kids and the number of descendants? I was doing the math on

01:05:29.340 this. So like, I just use, uh, Brian, you'll, I'm sure you guys will be pretty close when all

01:05:33.880 is said and done, but like, if you do this, he's a young man. He's a young man. I got more in me.

01:05:42.360 Uh, but if you take seven, you know, and then you start doing the math and you're like, okay,

01:05:47.720 wolf brian's kids each yeah i know it's not gonna work out perfectly but if each kid has seven

01:05:52.460 and then you go across our church and you you start doing the math and you're like i think i

01:05:57.020 got to something like in five generations you could be like three million people and you're

01:06:03.980 like that's more people than are in the state of utah right now yeah but like would it do you any

01:06:10.140 good if you lost those kids no no do you harm would it do you any good if you like raise them

01:06:15.840 No, this is why, for me, one of the, it's funny in the context, but Psalm 131 is one of those passages I think is good to meditate on.

01:06:25.600 The psalmist basically says, I have not lifted my eyes too high.

01:06:29.960 I have not considered too great a thing, but like a weaned child, I have quieted my soul.

01:06:35.540 And he's talking about basically the psalmist properly reckoning with his own smallness and capability before God.

01:06:44.300 And we're talking about like a guy who wrote a Psalm in the Bible, right?

01:06:48.160 I think it's, I can't remember if it's David or Asaph or who wrote it, but.

01:06:51.860 131.

01:06:52.840 Psalm 131.

01:06:54.000 I can wean child on me as my soul.

01:06:56.400 Yeah, exactly.

01:06:57.660 And it's, to me, this is so important.

01:07:00.100 It sounds contradictory, but it's not.

01:07:02.040 That for most of us, what it means is you don't set your eyes too high.

01:07:07.340 You don't outthink your own greatness, but you think,

01:07:12.020 what is within my grasp now? What can I actually do? What did the Lord, because God gave us good

01:07:19.200 work to do that he can use for great things. But like, look at the dynamic when, between Henry

01:07:24.220 Ford and the later Ford Foundation, Henry Ford operated like that. Even though he built this

01:07:28.760 great thing, he was thinking, how can I do this, the next thing for my people, for my place, for

01:07:35.340 my family, for my employees? How can I do the next good thing? He wasn't thinking about saving the

01:07:40.800 world. That's too high. He was like, how can I help this city, this state that I live in? And

01:07:46.240 he grew to a point where it wasn't lifting his eyes too high to say, I can have vast impact on

01:07:50.600 my state. And even on some level in my nation. But then you get this, every time people talk

01:07:57.100 about changing the world, a lot of times it's a scam of arrogant men who are trying to build a

01:08:01.640 babble. They're not trying to build the kingdom of God. So for me, that's very important. It's

01:08:06.300 what gives you hope too because it goes oh i'm not expected to be god i'm not god yeah i can't

01:08:11.400 fix utah we i can't even fix ogden like in what is no one would know like hardly anybody knows

01:08:18.800 where ogden is anyway tucker apparently sometimes it feels like we can't even fix the church yeah

01:08:22.860 can i fix my like literally this i'm on a cut i'm gonna bring this up a bunch because it's all i

01:08:30.200 think about now is how many calories and grams of protein i've eaten in a day how hard is it to fix

01:08:34.680 your body from being too fat slightly too fat hopefully in my but too fat it's hard no you're

01:08:42.220 always beautiful to me brian but you know you go mastering yourself is is step one and it's the

01:08:50.720 step that you do over and over your whole life and a lot of the time we we try to skip to step 117

01:08:56.200 and then we despair because we can't do it like i can't fix ogden okay well but here's the thing

01:09:01.700 God didn't actually ask you to. He asked you to do the next thing and following these ordinary

01:09:06.200 normal principles every family man has had to do forever and do your best there and do the next

01:09:11.400 thing. And that gives you hope because you start to realize, yes, that you are smaller than you,

01:09:16.060 your pride wants you to think you are, but you're actually, that is potent. You can do so much more

01:09:21.860 in one lifetime. If you have that mindset and attitude, then the proud man will accomplish

01:09:27.700 lifting his eyes too high yeah you know so that does give me hope because i think if we can instill

01:09:32.980 that kind of okay yeah yeah you have this grandiose plan but tell me about your family

01:09:37.120 worship tell me about your kids tell me about the education tell me about worship tell me about

01:09:41.800 yeah and then what are you doing in your vocation where's where's mastery where's

01:09:45.780 where's the fruit i was thinking about this from proverbs it's in the late 20s at the end of one

01:09:51.300 of the chapters um but saying like as a shepherd like keep a close watch on your flock because

01:09:57.020 like money fails. Right. And so I always think about that. Like we, we each kind of have different

01:10:02.440 flocks, if you will, pastorally, obviously the church, but fathers, you know, being shepherds

01:10:07.360 in their home and thinking about that, it's like, it's so easy to read the headlines and to become

01:10:14.360 incredibly discouraged about what's going on in the world. And, and you can miss, and he actually

01:10:19.400 talks a lot about this in the book, the order of Morris, like that's all distracting you from

01:10:23.680 loving the people that are actually your neighbor right right your wife and your kids and as you

01:10:29.140 said leading in family worship start there this is where i think we'll end but i do love this

01:10:33.840 that he gives a lot of uh space and time in the book to talk about raising godly children yeah

01:10:39.820 um he talks about the classical liberal education that it was supposed to be a training for elites

01:10:45.220 yeah um so we've talked about this in the past we're not trying to train everyone to be elites

01:10:50.720 but you do need people who think like kings yeah there's a podcast i know it's called the king's

01:10:57.220 hall you know whoa do the tie-in yeah sazani's would that be a good name for like a pizza joint

01:11:06.680 yeah i guess so sazani's is that a thing already i don't know i think there's little sazani's

01:11:14.040 That's a little Caesars.

01:11:15.300 Oh, yeah.

01:11:16.080 It's totally different.

01:11:17.180 This eyebrow.

01:11:18.500 That was dad joking level a million.

01:11:22.260 Like, okay, boomers.

01:11:24.260 It's like cringe.

01:11:25.720 Yeah, totally cringe.

01:11:28.100 But education, like we're all invested heavily in our children's educations.

01:11:33.020 That does make a huge impact and a huge difference.

01:11:36.340 So continuing to do that, schools, et cetera.

01:11:39.740 One thing he talks a lot about is mentorship and discipleship,

01:11:42.940 meaning like especially on the business front your kids from an early age shouldn't know how

01:11:47.440 the business functions he even encouraged like give them low-level jobs and then like you know

01:11:54.060 they can get promoted and stuff but like make them learn all aspects of the business and pay

01:12:00.140 them money and help them you know eat of the reward of it but it is just kind of interesting

01:12:04.900 that like that's part of the problem with w2 labor can you bring your kid to work usually

01:12:09.860 like one day a year and like do you actually want them to learn what a passive aggressive like 0.99

01:12:14.320 female coded environment is like i don't think so ouch look it's the hell that i live in yeah

01:12:22.420 for you for you do better don't ever do this in this same hell one day

01:12:28.340 not if we actually i had a buddy uh i went to high school with and and his father um came from

01:12:34.860 uh the car business his his father owned a lot of car dealerships and he bought a gas station

01:12:42.340 and had his sons change oil in the gas station i mean their hometown they were known like people

01:12:48.940 knew who they were yeah and his father bought a gas station had him change oil and man the pumps

01:12:54.340 at a gas station smart and now he is the ceo and president of one of the largest auto groups in the

01:12:59.940 us yeah there you go that's how to do it so i too could be one of the well you'd need your

01:13:06.680 grandfather to start the thing and then you could inherit it but anyway yeah my grandfather he left

01:13:11.940 me there was this pocket knife he had sharpened on a grinding stone so many times that it was

01:13:16.760 basically a nub it's pretty similar no my grandfather was salt of the earth trucker

01:13:24.880 yeah but uh no no gas stations we went to gas stations i always knew you came from the line

01:13:31.100 of elites from great i come from my father was a truck driver too i was telling brian in one of

01:13:36.560 the other episodes that that you know i was like brian we need to become landed gentry i'm like

01:13:40.900 in fact we really already are and i think later brian was like eric the bank owns most of your

01:13:46.220 house i hate to break it to you we're not close that's such a letdown yeah it really is uh but

01:13:54.860 Speaking of not letdowns, do you know when the producer's laughing?

01:14:00.880 He's like, that's the worst.

01:14:02.540 That was a terrible transition.

01:14:03.360 Oh, that has nothing to do with me?

01:14:04.320 Yeah, Evanescence over there.

01:14:05.460 I want to wrap things up.

01:14:07.580 Evanescence?

01:14:08.260 I haven't heard that before.

01:14:09.720 Amy Lee.

01:14:10.980 Amy Lee. 0.93

01:14:11.960 Amy Lee.

01:14:12.720 Lead singer of Evanescence.

01:14:14.020 I learned that from Ben.

01:14:14.980 I don't even know what that is.

01:14:16.120 To be clear.

01:14:16.840 That's a band.

01:14:17.300 You know the band?

01:14:18.380 Wake me up, wake me up inside.

01:14:20.800 That's why you guys were singing that like a few months ago.

01:14:23.120 Yes.

01:14:23.320 And he wouldn't stop.

01:14:24.380 Yeah.

01:14:24.560 by the way the record label forced evanescence to have the rapper in that song no they were

01:14:30.640 gonna force them to have a rapper on every single song because lincoln park was exploding

01:14:34.720 no and evanescence like stood him down there like we will leave the label and they were like

01:14:39.740 what about one song yeah they're like okay one song wait we uh it's the worst part of the song

01:14:45.660 yeah oh it's horrible rapists make everything worse the old country songs

01:14:49.140 Rappists

01:14:51.080 If we all insist on saying it that way

01:14:53.960 It

01:14:55.460 It will change

01:14:57.440 It will fix the culture

01:14:59.140 I don't know if it will

01:15:00.860 I have not set my eyes too high

01:15:03.340 That's a real like celebrity jeopardy thing

01:15:05.600 Celebrity

01:15:06.420 Go ahead

01:15:07.240 Therapists

01:15:09.040 The pen is mightier

01:15:12.780 I don't even know what I was going to say

01:15:16.140 We're going to have to cut all this out

01:15:17.300 No it's great it's amazing

01:15:18.840 I just wanted to end the show talking about the positive notes.

01:15:22.740 I guess some of the projects that are most exciting to you, you know, you look at a lot going on.

01:15:29.900 The church is growing.

01:15:31.540 It's encouraging to see families coming here, sometimes daunting.

01:15:36.000 What Jim Gaffigan said, having his fifth child was like drowning and somebody threw a baby at him.

01:15:42.460 Yeah.

01:15:43.940 But yeah, what excites you?

01:15:45.700 Just the works that you see going on in the community.

01:15:48.840 um let me think about that okay i mean the the work that the church is doing is great

01:15:59.300 uh continues to what what's really exciting to me i guess is for so many years uh i've been on

01:16:06.680 staff for nine years as a elder at refuge church so much of our work brian was changing reforming

01:16:14.360 the church and we've now been at stability for a few years and it has been so refreshing to just

01:16:22.140 like discipline people for their sins instead of arguing about theology all the time. Yes. Like it,

01:16:27.980 it really has been, it's, it's great, you know, reaching some form of maturity, even if it's a

01:16:34.000 young maturity, like a 40 year old guy, you know, young maturity. So you came here, you were like

01:16:39.900 31 32 uh when i yeah when i was i yeah holy moly that's crazy yeah so i was 30 did you have hair

01:16:49.000 back then no no okay so in fact i don't think i ever knew that i did i i had hair when i moved

01:16:54.100 here in 2011 i remember that yeah the church there was there wasn't much but what's that

01:17:00.160 that's not the church's fault uh i don't know maybe no no it wasn't the church industry no i

01:17:07.760 think that was hormone imbalances and stuff like that it's hereditary well yeah my dad is bald

01:17:13.620 no so the church uh the work that the church is doing is great a lot of the men are just

01:17:18.940 really impressive we have some really impressive men um so just locally some of the things that

01:17:24.140 are going on like there's uh like the work that jace is doing he's finding guys that need work

01:17:30.860 and he's essentially making them into tradesmen and giving them businesses while like helping

01:17:35.500 them start businesses. So he's got like bookkeeping and payroll and tax preparation, uh, HVAC, uh,

01:17:43.080 insurance. Uh, he's got the gold shop. Like he's doing a lot of good work. Very inspiring to me.

01:17:49.360 And there's a lot of other guys that are doing that sort of work and it's, they're taking

01:17:53.780 responsibility and by bringing, uh, other than they're not just being selfish and just keeping

01:18:00.280 it themselves. They're actually bringing other men into what they're doing and together they're

01:18:06.160 succeeding. And so that's really exciting, really encouraging. There's, there's a lot of things

01:18:10.920 that are really, that's school is great. We just have recitation night the other night. That was

01:18:14.980 amazing. It was so good. It's continuing to grow. Um, 50 students really impressed with what, uh,

01:18:22.000 pastor slash headmaster love is doing with the school. Um, it, I mean, I'm, I'm very impressed.

01:18:29.240 Like the other night I had my six-year-old reading the bedtime story and I was like,

01:18:33.840 you're six, you can read like really well.

01:18:36.640 I don't know why that's surprising to me, but I didn't do his reading lessons.

01:18:40.500 His mother did.

01:18:41.180 And then he's at school and, and all of a sudden he's, I'm like, you know, that word,

01:18:44.760 do you, you have it memorized?

01:18:45.700 He's like, no, daddy, I don't have that memorized.

01:18:48.320 Well, maybe a little, but I was like, give him a different book and he just reads it.

01:18:51.860 And I'm, I've noticed this with my kids with their memory.

01:18:54.760 Yeah.

01:18:55.540 Like we were listening to a podcast,

01:18:57.560 one of my sons and I,

01:18:59.580 and I was like trying to remember stuff from it.

01:19:01.520 It was like a just tangled mess, you know,

01:19:04.580 like I got half the story wrong.

01:19:06.660 And he was like, actually what he said was,

01:19:08.880 and he like recites the whole thing almost word for word.

01:19:11.440 And I was like, I just, I don't need to learn it.

01:19:14.060 I'll just keep him around.

01:19:15.140 Yeah. With the kids narration,

01:19:16.440 because they've been taught so well to narrate.

01:19:18.820 When I do a family worship and I read a long passage

01:19:21.560 and I'm like, you know, so, so what happened in the story?

01:19:24.300 and it's like oh man we got to set a timer on this thing because they'll just regurgitate the

01:19:28.480 entire thing it's unbelievable they're so stinking smart well yeah my middle did this he he so we did

01:19:35.360 one for recitation but then he went and memorized the whole thing which is like enormous so we're

01:19:39.820 riding in the car and he was like hey dad would you like to hear the entirety of the rhyme of

01:19:44.540 the ancient mariner and i was like yeah i mean we're in the car like go for it that it took like

01:19:51.600 I don't know how long it took.

01:19:52.620 Four hours later.

01:19:53.640 It was long.

01:19:54.840 You remembered all of it.

01:19:56.020 And I was like, wow, that's actually impressive.

01:19:57.960 Is that the one?

01:19:58.500 Yarendell was a mariner that tarried in Arvernian.

01:20:00.580 He built a boat of timber felled and nimber fell the journey in.

01:20:03.400 I don't know.

01:20:04.600 Translated from the Elvish by Bilbo Baggins at Rivendell.

01:20:06.860 Okay.

01:20:07.480 Is that the one you were?

01:20:09.880 I don't know if they're connected at all.

01:20:12.060 That didn't land.

01:20:12.940 What a flash.

01:20:13.580 That didn't land.

01:20:14.320 That didn't land.

01:20:15.440 Oh, damn.

01:20:16.660 No, I was actually pointing out that.

01:20:18.260 Can you also deadlift 425?

01:20:20.740 Let's hear about your, I mean, how many times do we need to flex here?

01:20:23.720 425.

01:20:24.080 This is how dumb I am.

01:20:25.980 This is how dumb I am.

01:20:27.080 I was like, did Tolkien take that from the Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner?

01:20:31.980 Like, what did I miss?

01:20:33.460 That was just a bad joke.

01:20:35.280 Yeah, but it was a good joke.

01:20:36.340 We did dad jokes.

01:20:37.600 Yeah. 0.69

01:20:38.100 Come on, you did Little Cezannies.

01:20:40.660 Yeah.

01:20:41.660 That was a low point for me.

01:20:43.660 That was a high point for me.

01:20:45.880 I'm not a clever man.

01:20:48.300 That was my skill.

01:20:49.820 It was good.

01:20:50.240 Uh, hope for Brian, you're a hopeful guy, you know, second only to me in hopefulness,

01:20:55.440 but go ahead.

01:20:58.720 No, just, you know, I am a, I like to do the same thing again and again.

01:21:02.960 So I'm looking forward to doing the same thing to tomorrow and the next day and the next

01:21:07.520 day and the next day.

01:21:08.200 Like, I think that's, that's one of the things that ought to in, in, in live in a man is

01:21:14.620 just figuring out over time your thing and then just executing, like doing it faithfully over and

01:21:22.160 over and over. And you like screw up and you, you learn and hopefully you get better at it over time.

01:21:26.620 But I am very, very thankful for just the Lord's kindness in our community in giving us good work

01:21:35.320 to do. Like that's so, it's so nice to wake up and not go, what am I going to do today? But you're

01:21:39.840 like the Lord's given good work, go do the good work that God's put in front of you. And then

01:21:44.480 you look around and you see a bunch of other guys doing the same thing. And it is that like, wow,

01:21:49.480 I don't want to lift my eyes too high, but in a generation, what could be like, what could be,

01:21:54.740 what could be here in Ogden? This is actually like desert of Christianity somehow.

01:22:00.040 This is actually the craziest thing to me is that I spent, before I got here,

01:22:03.960 you know 30 plus years working for people going to churches and doing things and watching all of

01:22:12.480 it just be a catastrophic failure to one level or the next where like you know you're in a church

01:22:18.040 and you're like under a pastor and you're like he won't even be here in two years like what do you

01:22:21.680 mean the longevity work of this church the legacy work of this people like probably the same people

01:22:26.840 won't even be here in that time period or you go to work for a job and you're like these people

01:22:30.600 hate me and they're going to fire me as soon as a new group of shareholders buys the company and

01:22:34.700 flips it. Like it's just depressing when that's going on all around you. Uh, but then to be able

01:22:40.600 to be around people where God's called us, we're pushing the plow, good things are happening.

01:22:46.060 And you can literally just look at the work and stand behind it each day and say,

01:22:49.920 I'm glad that this is happening. It's the people. It's the people. It's the people.

01:22:54.040 This work is going well and God's blessing it. Uh, the other thing as we close, just the last

01:22:59.320 thing I'll say, um, that aspect of not lifting your eyes too high. I think a lot of guys are

01:23:05.620 depressed and black bill because they spend all their mental energy and a lot of time and money

01:23:10.480 investing in the things that are like proven they don't work. So one of those would be like,

01:23:16.420 let's say you're one of our people and you're like, I'm going to change who gets elected

01:23:20.920 president in the next cycle. I can tell you now you're going to fail. I it's just like,

01:23:27.880 unless you're a small nation in another part of the world that unless you really are friends with

01:23:31.940 tucker carl controls an entire lobby and all these things like yeah you know but like there

01:23:38.640 is just a reality to it's like if you set your scope in that kind of direction it's the same

01:23:43.620 thing that i would say with churches where they're like yeah we're never able to find a pastor that's

01:23:48.500 been here for more than two years and they tell you how they do it you know we just interview a

01:23:53.480 guy and we talked to him for about a day and then we put all our chips on him and he just came fresh

01:23:58.120 from seminary i'm sure it'll work out they do that 10 times but nobody ever stops and be like

01:24:02.380 maybe the system is broken maybe we should do something different and you watch it on repeat

01:24:07.840 we're just going to get the same result um so maybe it's an encouragement to guys too of like

01:24:13.500 maybe think through what are the things you're actually investing in

01:24:17.360 and whether or not that's going to be fruitful.

01:24:22.500 I think that makes a big difference

01:24:24.180 whether or not you're happy with the work of your life.

01:24:27.660 Yeah, it's actually one of the principles of investing,

01:24:29.660 whether it's just buying a stock

01:24:31.300 or doing any of the work that you talked about

01:24:33.420 is actually what does success look like in this?

01:24:36.880 It's a lot easier when you just buy some Tesla shares

01:24:39.540 or something like that.

01:24:40.460 And you're like, well, when it hits $500,

01:24:42.300 I'm going to sell.

01:24:43.220 That's the plan.

01:24:44.000 But it's similar in what you're talking about in the work.

01:24:47.360 So when you're investing your time or you're, you're working towards something, you should

01:24:51.360 have envisioned like, what is the next step of success look like?

01:24:55.380 Where is this actually going?

01:24:57.200 Because it's easy in some ways to have your eyes lifted too high because it's just a

01:25:01.360 dream.

01:25:02.820 Actually, if your dream came true, I don't know if you could handle it a lot of times

01:25:07.240 with some of these, with some of the lifting your eyes too high.

01:25:10.680 Like if, if all of a sudden you said, uh, I'm going to be, uh, the real estate mogul

01:25:15.040 in in ogden utah and i'm gonna own half of the city and it happened like i don't know if you

01:25:19.820 could manage that you know like the idea is like well maybe yeah that's the goal uh but success

01:25:27.160 would be like i want two properties okay let's let's do five properties and uh and then i want

01:25:33.540 to have somebody to help me manage those and then like that's that's the work yeah that's what

01:25:38.640 investing looks like and success looks like yes being able to manage it as it grows yeah it's

01:25:44.660 Tuffing in small steps.

01:25:46.740 Well, very good, gentlemen.

01:25:47.860 It's been a good conversation.

01:25:49.600 Dan, I'm going to give you the honors.

01:25:52.280 I need to be charged up electrically.

01:25:56.220 Oh, man.

01:25:57.140 The energy that I have right now.

01:26:00.400 Just be ready.

01:26:01.600 It's going to blow your hair back.

01:26:02.660 It's going to blow mine back.

01:26:04.160 That's what I'm going to get.

01:26:05.460 I'm going to get you primed.

01:26:06.740 So imagine, close your eyes.

01:26:09.440 Okay, I'm there.

01:26:10.000 And it's just like music is playing in the background and it's slowly getting louder.

01:26:14.660 as a queen it's winged as ours oh winged as ours okay and then it's like it's wake me up it's

01:26:20.640 it's blaring so loud that your ears start bleeding except you're filled with joy because

01:26:27.460 you like the feeling instead of like tendonitis or whatever yeah like bursty what is it it's not

01:26:33.640 tendonitis it's a tinnitus i keep saying that tendonitis is it okay all right all right i'm

01:26:39.340 there yeah so here's dan yep the f-35s came over but they're like the vienna sausages national

01:26:46.340 militia okay the vienna sausages and the janissaries are down there and then the winged

01:26:51.420 stars are coming down the hill yeah don't look too much into anything of that you know it's not

01:26:56.980 a perfect analogy and you're coming down the hill and you're about to charge and you're thinking in

01:27:02.660 your mind you're like janissaries are you prepared to die and then you're like charge and then you

01:27:08.000 oh but i'm gonna stop and give them a speech yeah yeah that's why i said it's not perfect but

01:27:14.720 on your way down the mountain okay all right i can do that do you want me to look at the

01:27:19.640 camera to do this or do you want uh yeah i think that one right there unless you want to look into

01:27:24.820 my eyes i do all right rise up men of the west this is not the time to be timid or to be passive

01:27:37.500 or to let the powers that be

01:27:40.060 just have their way with your generations.

01:27:42.640 But it's actually time right now to do the seed work,

01:27:45.580 to start with the small beginnings,

01:27:47.580 to not loathe them, but to treasure them.

01:27:49.920 Because with that small seed work,

01:27:52.160 who knows what God will do?

01:27:53.800 If he will bless it and he will bless your generations,

01:27:56.560 or maybe the work is meant to be passed on

01:27:59.100 to the next generation so that your children

01:28:01.900 and your children's children can stand on your shoulders

01:28:04.260 and that the Lord may bless you to the point

01:28:08.400 where your name will be known amongst your generations

01:28:11.200 as the first man to start a great work

01:28:13.920 and to change the world.

01:28:15.560 And so, festalente, make haste slowly.

01:28:18.340 Thank you.

01:28:19.240 Choo-choo.

01:28:34.260 We'll be right back.

The King's Hall - January 02, 2026

Building Thousand Year Families

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