00:04:55.540It's certainly one of the best that I've heard in a while.
00:04:58.300So happy to get the word out about it.
00:05:01.060And hopefully you guys have gotten some more listeners from me sharing it and whatnot.
00:05:05.840Yes, and not just new listeners, but the kind of listeners who are on the same page as us.
00:05:10.580not hate listeners but people who are actually like let's yes new christendom amen let's go for
00:05:17.100it full send so we we are appreciative and so we've been talking this season quite a bit about
00:05:22.660the this idea of building the new christendom of going into the world identifying places where
00:05:29.680culturally economically in the family the home the church that there have been green groves of
00:05:35.500idolatry constructed where people have infiltrated the church and the world and the state and the
00:05:43.240family and successfully discipled people in the image of false gods and to worship false gods.
00:05:50.000And so this first season here in the King's Hall, we've been talking extensively about what those
00:05:56.000centers of idolatry are, how to see and dismantle them and tear them down in the spirit of Phineas
00:06:02.620and his spear or Gideon and the idols in his community, and then to not just go on offense
00:06:10.360and knock stuff down, but to build, and to build really the new Christendom, put up this cathedral,
00:06:16.040a stone at a time, generation after generation, trusting in the faithfulness of the Lord Jesus
00:06:21.580Christ to build his church, and not just in the sphere of the church, but in every aspect
00:06:27.520of what it means to be human. And as we've talked about this and then learned more about
00:06:34.040Gab and what you've been building over at Gab and all of the different aspects of it,
00:06:38.700because it's not just a social media platform. Maybe some listeners don't understand that.
00:06:42.260There's a lot more we'll get into that Gab is about and doing. Really, we see that we're on
00:06:47.640the same mission. We're really pursuing the same thing from different vectors. And so the first
00:06:54.780question we wanted to ask you was just, can you tell us how what you're building at Gab pushes
00:06:59.700that goal forward and why it is so essential that Christians do this hard work of taking ground,
00:07:06.440creating own space economically, politically, in their communities, and really on every level?
00:07:12.620Well, we see what happens when we don't do that, right? We see that our government is overrun by
00:07:19.160secularists or by people who reject Christ. We see that our school system is the same thing.0.75
00:07:24.780technology, media, news, all of it has sort of been conquered by the secularists.
00:07:32.500And, you know, what I saw back in 2016 was that Christians were being silenced and censorship
00:07:39.820was starting to creep up. And, you know, being a Christian out in Silicon Valley and seeing how
00:07:44.920these people think and seeing how these people treated me, you bring up Jesus and they look at
00:07:49.580you like you got a tinfoil hat on, right? Like you're from outer space. But
00:07:54.760you know, you could say other things, um, like a man in a dress is a woman and it's, uh, it's
00:08:00.160normal. So, uh, you know, I, I saw the culture out there and I got to know how these people think.
00:08:04.620And, um, you know, I, I sort of saw where they were going with things because I knew how they
00:08:08.900thought. And I had been sort of immersed in their culture for many years, you know, trying to, uh,
00:08:14.300make it in, in Silicon Valley and become the next Mark Zuckerberg or whatever. I was very focused
00:08:20.260on, you know, doing that, and I wasn't walking as close with the Lord then, and, you know, it's just
00:08:25.480incredible how he's used Gab to not only, you know, bring his people in fellowship, but, you know,
00:08:31.860to bring me closer to him, too, through that project. So, you know, if we're going to build
00:08:36.800a new Christendom, new Christendom needs the ability for Christians to communicate and to
00:08:43.020engage in commerce with one another and to build one another up and, you know, share the Word of
00:08:49.760God with one another and learn and disciple one another. In order to do that, we sort of have to
00:08:54.580use technology. And I think anytime that we've been blessed with some new technology, the Lord
00:09:00.920has always used it to sort of advance his kingdom, right? So whether it's ships or, you know, the
00:09:05.820printing press or any matter of technology throughout history has always been sort of used
00:09:10.520to advance the kingdom of God. And I think this is no different. So, you know, what we're building
00:09:15.680at gab again as is not just a social network it's it's a community of god's people and and of
00:09:21.580non-believers as well yeah um where people can come and and speak freely and um you know have
00:09:26.880the protection of uh you know first the first amendment of the united states of america you
00:09:31.180could say whatever you want as long as you're not threatening to kill someone as long as you're not
00:09:34.480breaking uh the law uh you're allowed to stay in on gab um we don't allow you know it's not an
00:09:39.640anarchist platform so i want to make that clear too you know you can't you can't post porn you
00:09:43.940can't post threats of violence you can't break the law uh but if it's political speech um you know
00:09:49.600you can you can post it um so we wanted a hands-off approach and and we wanted most of the
00:09:55.120moderation uh to be done by the users themselves so if you don't like something and you could you
00:09:59.380can mute someone you can unfollow them you can block them you don't have to watch what they're
00:10:02.860saying um but they still have a right to to exist on the internet and to speak their mind
00:10:07.000and we got a lot of flack for this especially from actually from fellow christians they're like
00:10:10.900if you're a christian you know how can you allow these people to say all these horrible things
00:10:14.620about you know different people from different races and different backgrounds and different
00:10:17.680countries and whatever like how can you how can you allow that on your website and you know my
00:10:22.020argument always is like how how are we going to reach these people with the gospel because if
00:10:25.720they're shunned from society if they're not you know allowed on facebook if they're not allowed
00:10:29.800on twitter and then they're not allowed on gab uh how are we going to share the gospel with them
00:10:33.660how are we going to change their hearts and minds uh you know we're not going to if they're not
00:10:37.700a lot to speak. If they're shoved into the corner of society, into the dark corner of society,
00:10:42.820they're actually probably going to become even more radicalized and feel like that those beliefs
00:10:47.400that they hold are even more true because everybody is kind of shutting them out. So
00:10:50.620we want to have the opportunity for people to engage in dialogue and engage in commerce. And
00:10:56.000that's a huge part of what Gab is building for the New Christendom is a place where Christians
00:11:00.840can engage in fellowship and commerce and speak freely and build one another up. And hopefully,
00:11:06.200You know, that's that's what's going on. And I think that we've done a great job and the Lord has blessed us.
00:11:11.700We've certainly faced trials and I can I can get into that.
00:11:15.160You know, we've we've been banned from the app stores and hosting providers and PayPal and banks.
00:11:19.940You know, I've gotten multiple letters from Congress trying to intimidate me.
00:11:23.760And we have the ADL and the SPLC, you know, Jonathan Greenblatt, the CEO of the ADL,
00:11:30.100you know, one of the most powerful lobbying and special interest groups in the world,
00:11:34.000you know, goes on national television and says, I'm one of the most toxic people in public life
00:11:38.120right now. That's a serious thing. It's sort of like a, you know, painting a big target on my
00:11:42.040back. Right. But, you know, the Lord has, uh, been faithful, uh, you know, throughout all of
00:11:47.440these trials and has helped us overcome these trials. And, um, that's the reason I don't fear
00:11:51.880the regime. Like I don't fear Congress. I don't fear, you know, Facebook and Google and Apple,
00:11:56.200you know, the biggest companies, multi trillion dollar multinational companies that are coming
00:12:00.180after us and attacking us and these, you know, multinational, multi, huge, massive international
00:12:05.760media companies that are smearing us and defaming us. And I don't fear any of it because I fear the
00:12:11.100living God, right? Like he is so much greater than all of those things combined. So it's very
00:12:17.000easy for me as a Christian grounded in my faith to, you know, stare into the eye of Sauron and
00:12:22.280just say, bring it on, you know, like, so we've been through certainly a lot, but that's just
00:12:27.200sort of a high-level overview of what we're building and why we're building it.
00:12:31.280Yeah, it seems like if you're going to do anything where you say,
00:12:35.060I'm a Christian, I'm not ashamed of Christ, and I'm actually building in Jesus' name,
00:12:40.300even though you're not attempting to build a Christian ghetto with Gab, where it's just
00:12:46.320only Christians allowed, only Christian speech, it's kind of the social media equivalent of
00:12:52.140a Christian movie that only exists to have a gospel presentation at the end.
00:12:56.020And you're not trying to do that, but even just the notion that you're going to be, I'm a Christian, I'm building this for the glory of Christ, we're going to allow explicitly Christian speech on this network.
00:13:09.260We're not going to cancel people for saying that homosexuality is a sin.
00:13:13.060We're not going to cancel people for noticing things that this demonic global, you know, hegemony is trying to perpetrate on the world in building the kingdom of darkness, which they're absolutely in league with.
00:13:26.460No, we're just going to build what on paper when you describe it should be a pretty kind of boringly – like, yeah, of course we'd want people to be able to disagree and have free speech on the internet.0.70
00:13:40.820It seems like, from our perspective at least, and I'd be curious to get your perspective on this, it seems like any time a Christian tries to do something in the business world, the cultural world, the economic world, the publishing world, whatever it is, that is explicitly in Jesus' name, even if it's something that nobody should find controversial really on paper, that what they will immediately try to do is either co-opt you or compromise you.0.73
00:14:06.660And if they can't do that, then they will try to utterly destroy and discredit you.
00:14:12.740Have you experienced, you know, you've talked a little bit about experiencing some of that.
00:14:16.100What does that look like for you personally, for Gab?
00:14:42.920When you're talking about certain things, just don't talk about this one thing over here or, you know, change your logo or change your mission statement or change your terms of service.
00:16:11.560And it's like, so they try to co-op it, right?
00:16:14.380They try to co-op, they see the traction that we're getting and the growth of our community.
00:16:18.600And all of these billionaires started popping out of the woodwork first with Parler.
00:16:22.640Then it was Getter, which is Miles Gao, who's the Chinese billionaire.
00:16:26.880And, you know, even to a certain extent, President Trump with with his platform, you know, so we have three different billionaires, including one that's run by a former president, all trying to do what we're doing.
00:16:37.620And, you know, it just it just the glory of God, right?
00:16:40.480Like all three of them combined, if you take all their traffic, all their users, everything combined, don't add up to what GABA is at.
00:16:45.480Right. So I just I think that's telling that, you know, even these billionaires and these people who try to co-op what we're doing, that didn't work either.
00:16:53.340them defaming and smearing me personally and, you know, calling me a Nazi or an anti-Semite or a bigot or a racist or white nationalist or alt-right.
00:17:02.340They tried every single label, trying to stick every single label to me and to the Gab community as a whole.
00:17:07.320All of it failed. And then came the threats. Right. And then came the threats of violence.
00:17:11.620So, you know, that's something that we deal with on sort of a week by week basis.
00:17:15.340And it's unfortunate. But again, it's not something I'm going to fear.
00:17:18.560You know, we deal with death threats all the time.
00:17:20.600You know, the most horrific things that are posted aimed at my family and that my kids.
00:17:24.800And again, it's it's meant to intimidate. Right. It's meant to get me to shut up.
00:17:28.860It's meant to get me to stop building. But none of it works.
00:17:31.880None of it works because I just I give it all up to God and I cling to the cross and we just keep plowing ahead and building.
00:17:38.580And, you know, by the grace of God, we we're still standing and we're we're still growing and we're growing faster than any of those other sort of co-ops combined.
00:17:46.320And I think that's a big part of that is because people are really searching for authenticity.
00:17:51.300It's a big reason as to why I think I like your podcast so much is because it's just authentic.
00:17:56.020It's real. It's not fake. It's not this corporate, you know, phony nonsense that is just heavily produced.
00:18:02.060And it's just, you know, three normal guys that are having a real conversation about real things that real people are having those same conversations at the dinner table every night.
00:18:10.540And I think the same thing about Gab is like people don't come there to look for this influencer or that influencer.
00:18:17.220You know, it's it's it's they want to see what real people are saying and what real people think, because, you know, the enemy has has sort of convinced us of this lie that we're isolated and that, you know, the beliefs that we have, which are biblical, scriptural beliefs are taboo.
00:18:33.740And, you know, we're in the minority. There's there's not many people that agree with us.
00:18:37.020but that's just the opposite is true. Most normal people are having the same, are thinking the same
00:18:42.220things that we're thinking. Many of them are too afraid to say them because they're afraid to lose
00:18:45.820their job. They're afraid to, you know, lose family members or friends or whatever, but they
00:18:49.760are thinking these things and they come to Gab and they say, wait a minute, there is a lot of people
00:18:53.780here that see what I see and that think the same way that I think. And it sort of gives them that
00:18:58.220hope, gives them access to more information that they can't get anywhere else, you know, whether
00:19:02.260it's spiritual or political or just you know raw information um you know they can get that all on
00:19:07.820gab um so i think that's that's part of the big reason why it's it's growing in popularity and
00:19:12.360will it will continue to going forward too for the project of this season to be successful the
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00:20:19.640yeah that's awesome andrew one of the things that i think that has happened to you because
00:20:25.300of all the attacks and everything that we've you know we've seen it's kind of public i think a lot
00:20:29.560of people have gotten sort of a look under the hood right gone down the rabbit hole a little
00:20:33.400bit with you i'm sure you've been farther down it than any of us but there have been a lot of
00:20:38.720people who are saying look this looks like a concerted effort right a coordinated massive
00:20:43.080globalist cabal you know some of the things that we would say in years past even i you know 10
00:20:47.380years ago, I said, eh, maybe it's a little bit of a conspiracy theory. But I just want to get
00:20:51.320your take on that. Is there a massive coordinated global effort to despise and destroy Christendom?
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00:21:38.260Absolutely. I mean, it's unequivocal, right? It's unequivocal that Christ is the enemy,
00:25:42.740So you've talked about how much resistance you've received from all of these globalist
00:25:47.880companies and from these billionaires.
00:25:49.880And obviously they don't want Gab to exist.
00:25:51.980They hate Christ. They hate your messaging and they hate the community of Gab and they want to shut it up. And so it's made it very difficult for you to do business with, I mean, banks is one of the examples that you've given. Where do you see the greatest opportunity for Christians to do kind of like frontier economic work like you've done yourself?
00:26:13.900What other industries and what other businesses do you see as opportunities for Christians to really go forward, take some risk, and to start those Christian businesses?
00:26:24.280Yeah, education and health care are two of the biggest ones.
00:26:27.280Homeschooling is absolutely exploding right now, especially after COVID.
00:26:30.720You know, there's a great need for resources and curriculums and content and tutors.
00:26:37.500And, you know, there's infinite number of opportunities there.
00:26:42.400And then also in healthcare and for the same reasons, you know, because there are so many people in the healthcare industry that, you know, got fired for refusing the jab or, you know, have a different philosophy in terms of treatment and actually care about the patients versus, you know, caring about making money from big pharma or, you know, following what the regime says, right?
00:27:01.800So those are the two big areas that I see as a big need right now.
00:27:05.860And hopefully there's going to be some more people rising up.
00:29:44.340They're going and saying, you know, and almost suspending a little bit of the disbelief of like, oh, but we couldn't possibly build a social media company.
00:29:53.400Look how many people Facebook has.0.98
00:29:55.560And then you go, well, what if we just acted like idiots for a day and said, maybe we could, right?0.98
00:30:00.920What if we actually just said, what if we were foolish enough to think maybe we could build a new healthcare industry?0.98
00:30:07.320Like, what if we were foolish enough to say, maybe we could build an entire new content creation platform?
00:30:13.760that would make sitcoms and films and documentaries and music
00:30:16.920that wasn't all just a vehicle for a gospel presentation,
00:30:19.720but that was just good human culture and art
00:30:22.900done heartily as for the Lord and not for men.
00:30:27.320And so I think that's really captivated and driven,
00:30:30.640even behind the scenes, a lot of what we are aiming to do
00:30:34.080with the King's Hall, which is like not just a podcast.
00:32:19.060So all I have to do is just kind of sit around and wait and don't build anything and don't create the most beautiful art the world has ever seen has come out of Christendom.
00:32:26.900right? The most beautiful buildings, you know, colleges and massive hospitals and all these
00:32:33.740God-glorifying things, beautiful cities, the most beautiful cities and buildings the world has ever
00:32:38.620seen have come from Christians that we're building for the glory of God. And we don't see that1.00
00:32:42.580anymore. And the reason we don't see it anymore is because we have this doom and gloom mindset
00:32:46.520where Satan controls this world. He has total run of this world. There's nothing we can do about it,
00:32:52.360but just kind of sit around and wait to die and wait for Christ to return. That type of mindset
00:32:56.520is why I think Christians haven't been building for quite some time. But if we can remind Christians1.00
00:33:01.920of this is not historically who we were. This is not who, you know, God wants us to be. You know,
00:33:08.100we gave us one mission, right? It's, you know, it's very clear. And the way that we accomplish
00:33:14.380that mission is by building and getting involved in the culture and getting involved in politics
00:33:18.580and getting involved in entertainment and news and every facet of society, all of Christ for all
00:33:23.260of life, right? So I think in order to do that, we have to sort of reframe how we're thinking about
00:33:29.360who we are and our history and who the Bible tells us to be. So that's a big part of what
00:33:36.260we're trying to do too, is just introduce Christians to like, hey, there's another way
00:33:40.380to think about eschatology. There's another way to think about how we're to engage in public
00:33:46.220discourse and how we're to get involved in political life and in the culture. And I think
00:33:51.620we've sat by the sidelines for far too long. The Christian man is sort of waking up from his long0.99
00:33:56.940slumber. And when that happens, by the tens of millions, great things are going to happen. So
00:34:03.820that's what we're trying to awaken. We're trying to awaken the body of Christ and say,
00:34:08.240we have to remember. We have to remember who we are and who God wants us to be and think about
00:34:12.020things a little bit differently and a little bit more optimistically too. And it's, you know,
00:34:16.220to your point, one of the keys for us, I think, in all coming from, I think all of us in some0.97
00:34:22.820degree, including you, if I'm not mistaken, came from this default Christian view of defeatism,
00:34:28.880pessimism. I grew up in that. I mean, my Bible schooling was through even that, but all my0.92
00:34:34.880assignments were, you know, interpret Daniel to show why the world's going to end in the next
00:34:39.82015 minutes. I mean, that's what I call it. I call it the left behind eschatology, right? I mean,
00:34:45.720i grew up with that i mean that's what i grew up believing that's what i was taught
00:34:48.840so i have empathy for for our brothers and sisters who are still sort of like caught up in that
00:34:53.700because it's all they know it's all they've ever known um you know in in order to uh you know
00:34:58.540introduce them to these new concepts we sort of have to have patience and empathy right because
00:35:03.000we we were ourselves just like that we believed all the things they believed until we were
00:35:07.420introduced to hey there's a new way there's a different way it's not even necessarily a new
00:35:10.760way it's just a different way to think about it it's a much more positive thing i mean christ
00:35:15.360won over death like it's a victorious thing it's it's a it's a thing to uh be optimistic about it's
00:35:21.760not a thing to like no wonder the church is not attracting men like what's attractive about like
00:35:27.840okay you accept jesus christ as your lord and savior and it's like now what well now you just
00:35:31.720sit around and wait to die and go to heaven like that's not too enticing to men right i mean but
00:35:36.820if it's like hey we're we're gonna we're gonna disciple all nations and we're gonna build things
00:35:41.220for the glory of God. And we're going to raise up our children to, to, to love the Lord and honor
00:35:45.700the Lord. Like you start saying these things and it's like, okay, like I can get behind that. Like
00:35:50.080this is, this is something that's bigger than me. This is something that's glorifying God. There's
00:35:53.820sort of a bigger overarching mission here versus just like kind of around and getting stomped on
00:35:59.200by, by Satan as, as Chilton would say. Yeah. And even like, Hey, yeah, you're, you're saved now.
00:36:05.660Jesus has forgiven your sin. He's going to come back any second and kind of fix everything here.
00:40:03.220who did you think would be on your team or at least switzerland that ended up attacking you
00:40:08.760that's maybe surprised you it's a good question um none of it has surprised me honestly uh
00:40:15.160it's uh i i sort of knew going into this that i would i would have a lot of enemies i didn't you
00:40:21.700know what actually what did surprise me was sort of like the republican establishment like because
00:40:26.480i actually believe that those guys sort of shared my values like i you know to me as as an american
00:40:32.400Like to say that I'm going to build this platform where you could have free speech, you know, protected by the First Amendment, which is that's just like, you know, it should be a core, you know, no brainer for any person that calls themselves a Republican.
00:40:45.300But what you find in the Republican establishment is actually a bunch of libertarians, which, again, you would think would support the free speech aspect.
00:40:52.840But then they don't because you find out that free speech means that their donors can be criticized and their donors don't like free speech.
00:41:00.200So that, you know, once you figure out sort of how the mechanism of how the upper echelon of our political system works, it all goes back to the donors and the donors don't support free speech.
00:41:10.900They don't want people talking about them.
00:41:12.820They don't want people talking about the amount of money that they're giving to politicians on both the left and the right and the amount of influence that they have over those said politicians.
00:41:21.140So that sort of surprised me is once I started navigating through the upper echelons of of both Silicon Valley and the Republican establishment, God protected me, though.
00:41:31.280It was so incredible. Like they tried to co-op me. They tried to buy me. They tried to threaten me.
00:41:35.480And through it all, like I'm looking back and I just see a host of angels and the Holy Spirit just surrounding me with a veil of protection that in some certain, like in some circumstances, it's like unthinkable that I got out alive in some of those situations without, you know, being incredibly tempted and not saying that I wasn't because I was.
00:41:56.820It's, you know, when someone, you know, sort of hands you a blank check, of course, it's enticing, like it's going to change my life, it'll change my family's life, it'll change the business's life. But, you know, being able to say no to that, that is where there's actual empowerment is, no, I don't need this.
00:42:13.180You know, I serve the creator of the universe. I'm not doing this for money. I'm doing this for a bigger purpose than myself. And it's much bigger than money and it's much bigger than any political power or, you know, you want to make me this big influencer, this big name. I don't care about that. You know, my ego doesn't care about that. I don't care about the money.
00:42:32.000So when all that stuff, again, didn't work, that's when it got to the nasty stuff, which is the threats, the intimidation, you know, the defamation, all that sort of stuff.
00:42:40.920But through it all, I just I look back. That's probably going to have to be my next book is writing every example of of just God's intervention.
00:42:49.080So clear divine intervention in these moments where just a veil of protection, you know, came around me and protected me from that darkness.
00:42:58.140And all glory to God for that, because, you know, I'm I'm just a man. Right.
00:43:02.280I, you know, I get tempted and I sinned, too. I said this the other day, like a big, dumb idiot.1.00
00:43:06.800I sin every single day and every day my loving father forgives me and has patience and is willing to show me love and grace.1.00
00:43:14.060And I'm so thankful for that, because, you know, being out in the world and the upper echelons of power, rubbing elbows with, you know, the big who's who of Silicon Valley and the big who's who of the Republican political establishment.
00:43:25.780it was all very you know enticing and and very tempting and you know to be able to turn my back
00:43:31.760to that and say no no i'm just going to build i'm going to focus on what i'm doing they're not going
00:43:35.100to subvert me they're not going to undermine uh the work that we're doing here we're going to stay
00:43:39.000true to the mission of what we started and um no amount of money is going to change that no amount
00:43:44.100of threats are going to change that no amount of blackmail no amount of you know name calling none
00:43:49.020of that is going to change anything they really really don't like me because of that because
00:43:52.820They cannot control me. They can't buy me. They can't scare me. They can't control me. And that is what being a God-fearing man in a position of stewardship and of responsibility looks like. That is what they fear more than anything is the man that cannot be bought, that cannot be intimidated, you know, and that cannot be owned or tempted with the vice of the world.
00:44:17.220because that's, that's not what we're doing here. That's, it's, it's, it's a much bigger mission.
00:44:21.720And, you know, all glory to God. I see the fruits of that, right? I see the fruits of that decision
00:44:27.240every day where we see people on Gab that are saying, Hey, you know, I just read your book and
00:44:32.140I went back to church for the first time in 20 years. Or, you know, I started going back to
00:44:36.500church six months ago after I got on Gab and started, you know, talking with other Christians
00:44:40.640and I got baptized this week. Like I see those stories constantly. People are writing me letters
00:44:45.480They're sending me DMs and, you know, sharing how they're getting closer to God or how, you know, their faith has strengthened since being on Gab.
00:44:52.700Like we're seeing these things every day and the fruit is there.
00:44:55.220And I'm seeing it even in my own church where our church is growing so fast right now that we actually have to expand our parking lot because there's no parking spaces.
00:45:02.460Like the pastor's like, please, guys, carpool, like come to church together because there's no parking spaces.
00:45:08.520Like all glory to God. That's incredible.
00:45:10.420You know, we're having we're having baptisms every other week and new members and child dedications.
00:45:14.900And it's just like, this is incredible what God is doing.
00:45:17.940And, you know, if you're stuck in this media bubble on both the left and the right, whether it's CNN or Fox News, you know, take your pick of poison.
00:45:25.460You know, you're going to think that the world is ending.
00:45:27.960And that's a good thing, by the way.1.00
00:45:29.940That's the mindset that so many Christians have.0.98
00:45:45.500Like, you know, like we built the most magnificent countries, the most magnificent buildings, the most beautiful art, the most amazing, incredible technology and science, by the way, you know, also dominated by Christians throughout all of history.
00:45:59.340So it's like we have done all these incredible things when we were doing them for the glory of God and we remembered, again, who we were and who we are and who we always will be.
00:46:09.020And that's a peculiar people and a holy nation.
00:47:27.200And when you see, I think, that it's really only two options. It really is Christ and Christendom
00:47:35.560and everything that Christ will build as the orderer of the universe,
00:47:40.000as the one who holds all things together,
00:47:41.920the one who literally wrote the laws of reality, the rules of reality.
00:47:47.400All facts are contained in Christ, every point of knowledge.
00:47:51.000The fear of God is the beginning of knowledge and wisdom,
00:47:53.600knowing things and knowing what to do about things.
00:47:55.820And you can either have that everywhere in science and art and media and business,
00:47:59.600or you can have chaos where people are trying to be their own gods.
00:48:03.780You can try to have, you know, I'm going to be whatever I say I am. I'm going to shirk all of his rules. And I'm going to say, well, now we're going to build ugly, brutalist architecture to the glory of secularism. And everyone hates it. And it's going to be cold and depressing and destroy humanity.
00:48:20.040And it's like, really, there are only two paths. And even politically, I think one of the big movements that we've seen that I'm excited about, to be honest, that I see developing is this realization among Christians that that is also true about politics.0.91
00:48:36.540that we can't have this libertarian fever dream
00:48:39.680where we'll have this totally neutral secular public space
00:48:43.180where everyone will just agree somehow
00:49:04.860See, you guys, again, pushing your weight behind that, saying, yes, if America is going to be or if any nation is going to truly be great, a place of freedom, a place where people can flourish and just be human beings, it's going to be a Christian nation.
00:49:28.240It seems like it's, you know, based on the Amazon charts, it seems like it's made some waves.
00:49:34.000Yeah, it's a it's it's a bestseller. You know, we've sold tens of thousands of copies. It's, you know, only been out a couple of weeks. Far exceeded, you know, our expectations and all glory to God for that.
00:49:44.320But I thought we'd sell a couple thousand to the Gab community, and it might make a little bit of a blip.
00:49:50.540But it's sort of broken outside of the Gab community and into the academic sphere.
00:49:57.260And who we're really making upset is all these folks who have written countless, endless books that are against Christian nationalism and that are trying to defame Christians and defame this concept of Christian nationalism.
00:50:09.340So, you know, we saw this term being thrown around and sort of attempted to be co-opted.
00:50:14.640And, you know, the way that they were co-opting it was they were trying to paint all Bible-believing, you know, Orthodox Christians as something that we're not.
00:50:23.380You know, so we said we're going to take this term, we're going to run with it, we're going to own it, and we're going to define the terms.
00:50:27.980And if you read the book, it's not about, you know, this hostile political takeover and insurrection.0.75
00:50:33.920It's just like, you know, you're a Christian in this world.
00:50:36.500And like you said, you have two choices.
00:50:37.900You can be ruled by God-fearing men, or you can be ruled by people who hate and reject Jesus Christ and are therefore anti-Christ.
00:50:45.760Those are the only two options that we have.
00:50:48.500So, you know, we've come to sort of this crossroads where Christians are sort of waking up to the fact that there are only two choices and that it's time to decide.0.58
00:50:58.120Me, as for me, and for Pastor Isker, you know, we're both fathers.
00:51:03.460And, you know, this is one of the things that I sort of get across is like, what sort of legacy am I leaving for not only my children, but like my great, great, great, great grandchildren, right?
00:51:13.900Like, you know, I think for too many people, especially in America and in American politics, we're so focused on like these four-year election cycles, like these dog and pony shows.
00:51:23.520Like we need to start thinking in like decades and in centuries, right?
00:51:28.800What is the groundwork that we're laying now to, you know, protect and preserve and build Christendom, you know, for the next 500 years?
00:51:36.820And that all goes back to sort of this, you know, negative, pessimistic, doomer sort of eschatology where why are you going to think about the next 500 years when, you know, Christ is going to come back any second now?
00:51:50.780suppose that he comes back 10,000 years from now, right? What then? We have to live here now
00:51:57.300for the next 10,000 years. And, you know, our kids and our great grandkids and our whole
00:52:02.160prodigy has to live here. So, you know, we have to start thinking like, yes, we look forward to
00:52:08.620the glorious return of Christ, but, you know, the Bible tells us that no one knows that they are
00:52:12.100ours. So until then, like, let's build for the glory of God and let's disciple the nations as
00:52:16.980we've been commanded for the glory of god um so you know that's that's a high level overview of
00:52:22.280some of the stuff that we're talking about but we also sort of go back to the the the true christian
00:52:27.060roots of the founding of the american people and of the american uh nation which is not you know
00:52:32.1001776 is sort of the trap as we lay out you know 1776 is sort of the middle history yeah uh you
00:52:38.240know for 200 years prior to that we had explicitly christian colonies that were under christian laws
00:52:44.920that were run by christians and governed by christians for christians explicitly and we're
00:52:50.100talking about like 200 years right so you know we dive into you know some some of the the early
00:52:56.140founding of some of the early colonies and and you know some of their laws and and and their
00:53:01.700governing structures and and all that sort of stuff to to point back to to say like this is
00:53:05.920who we are this is our true roots reminding people of that uh because you know the the regime they
00:53:12.520They hate to talk about the colonies because they sort of don't have any rebuttal, right?
00:53:16.500They can get away with these quips of, you know, well, actually the founding fathers were deists and, you know, they talk about, you know, they have some sort of like sophistry going on with that stuff.
00:53:27.060But they really cannot – they have zero argument against, you know, the first real 200 years of this country, you know, which was explicitly Christian colonies run by Christians for Christians, governed by Christians, you know, for the glory of God.
00:53:40.180You know, the people that came here did not come here for gold, right?
00:53:45.280They came here to spread the word of God and to establish, you know, explicitly Christian colonies where they could worship God freely.
00:53:53.680So, you know, reminding people of that is another part of the book.
00:53:57.200But, yeah, it's just about, you know, how are we to live?
00:53:59.680Like we have to live as Christians in this world, and we need to start building.
00:54:04.820That's another theme of the book is like we need to start building things.
00:54:08.180You know, we can't see it idly by and continue to be stepped on by the enemy and continue to be pushed out where we've already been pushed out of all these institutions.
00:54:17.220So, you know, we're just going to build our own institutions because we've done it before and we're more than capable of doing it again.
00:54:23.100God has blessed us with, you know, many talents and and and and resources.0.93
00:54:27.760And if we just, you know, sort of unite and come together and say we have this shared enemy of these antichrists who are dominating all of our institutions.0.65
00:54:35.920so we're going to build our own and we can just go and do that and it's it's another thing it's
00:54:40.340like it's not a short-term thing it's like this is a multi-generational effort um so you know the
00:54:44.980most one of the most important things is like we have to raise up our kids to fear and love the
00:54:48.520lord and to to have these biblical worldviews that we have that's that's one of the most important
00:54:52.800things that we can be doing and i think uh god is on the move on that front too because like i said
00:54:56.880homeschooling is exploding um and and people are are being exposed to especially throughout the
00:55:02.140COVID thing where people were, you know, seeing what their kids were actually being taught in
00:55:05.980school. And a lot of this stuff is sort of being leaked by like libs of TikTok and others who are
00:55:10.320showing like what these teachers are teaching your kids and how these teachers are showing up to
00:55:14.400school. And like they have, they're taking on the American flag and putting up the pride flag and
00:55:18.000like talking about sex to, you know, five-year-olds. You know, I don't think any parent, whether you're0.77
00:55:22.840Christian or not, would endorse that or would want that for their kids. So, you know, the education
00:55:28.020is a huge part of it. And I think that we're making strides on that front too.
00:55:32.440Yeah. In fact, this episode actually, as listeners are listening to it, will come out a week after
00:55:39.400our episode. As we record this, it's going to come out in two days, so it's not live yet. But
00:55:42.840we just did an episode on education and how whether you homeschool, private school, whatever
00:55:49.280you do, Christians should all agree on this principle of Christian education and taking
00:55:54.020that ground again and saying whether it's parallel, whatever parallel institution building we need to
00:55:58.300do, like that's going to be a key because this isn't something that's going to be fixed in five
00:56:05.000years. What if the Lord Jesus, what if God really meant when he said to Abraham to a thousand
00:56:10.880generations? What if when he said he loves to show his steadfast love to a thousand generations of
00:56:16.560those who fear him and keep his commands? What if that really is 40,000 years and we're only a
00:56:21.760couple thousand into that. And it's like, to me, going back to the book, that was my favorite part
00:56:27.800of the whole book was simply when you guys went through and listed, no, no, let's talk about
00:56:32.880Massachusetts. This is what Anglicanism, or Virginia, Anglicanism for 200 years. Here's
00:56:37.800New England. And just went through and devastated this idea that North America and the United
00:56:44.780States of America or anything other than originally a Christian endeavor that was begun by Christians
00:56:52.780to advance Christianity and that it was successful in that aim. It's like, it's just the craziest0.99
00:56:59.400kind of revisionist. And again, it comes back to that education piece. The fact that most Americans
00:57:04.600that would be utterly shocking to them to learn tells you not only how much we failed,
00:57:10.960this isn't a failure that's a success of the other team because they know it and the what they
00:57:17.220absolutely will not allow is we will not teach children this we cannot have americans understanding
00:57:24.060where they stand in history and the legacy that they stand in yeah they want to teach them about0.57
00:57:29.980uh you know sex at five years old and yeah you know it's yeah let's it's absurd let's get you
00:57:34.460on hormone blockers when you're five or if we can't do that then let's get you on birth control0.99
00:57:39.380at 13. And if we can do that, or if we do do that, then you'll need your antidepressants at 17. And
00:57:44.740then let's just get them all on the big pharma, big government, big everything train, big
00:57:49.480agriculture. Let's co-opt you completely into this religion of secular humanism to be discipled by
00:57:56.620these false gods. And as Christians, again, it all really is this simple. It comes back to there's0.99
00:58:03.100only two ways. Is it going to be Christ or is it going to be slavery? Is it going to be Christ or
00:58:07.660is it going to be slavery politically educationally you know on every level i think i think that that's
00:58:12.740been just proven out and amplified you know to the 10th degree in the last couple years
00:58:17.660yeah i'm looking at eric i'm looking at eric because usually this is when he says
00:58:22.380that's huge and then goes on a on a good like a classic eric khan it was one of those like0.71
00:58:27.100that's huge and also the jews own a lot of the uh pharma companies it's all no it it is all like0.78
00:58:37.060The way that pessimistic eschatology, Zionism, and big government, globalism, world economic form.
00:58:48.160I mean stuff that three or four years ago you literally – people would say you are absolutely crazy is now just like, no, this is just everybody.
01:03:01.840Right. It's it's like you walk into a church and there's a pride flag out front and it's like, well, this is no different.
01:03:07.320Why? Like, why am I going to come here? Like, I'm looking for something different, explicitly different.
01:03:11.460And I'm looking for something explicitly masculine. I'm looking for my great war.
01:03:14.880And young men don't have that, but they do. But they just sort of need to become aware of it. Right.
01:03:19.780And so that's a big part of what I'm trying to do, too, is is engage with these younger guys and point them to Christ.
01:03:26.420You know, a lot of them look up to me, you know, because of the sort of worldly success of, you know, I built my own social network and I, you know, wrote a bestselling book, whatever.
01:03:36.320Like none of that stuff means anything to me, but to them it holds weight.
01:03:39.560So, you know, when I get that attention from them, I say, it's not me, it's Christ.
01:03:42.820Like I'm always trying to point back to Christ and give him the glory and the honor and say I wouldn't be here.
01:03:53.820It was a pile of ones and zeros on my desktop. Right. But I saw God take that and build it into what it is today.
01:04:01.580And all glory goes to him for that. So when I share that testimony, when I share my testimony of how going through that and going through those immense trials and battles and, you know, having my face plastered all over international papers, you know, 90 days after I was married,
01:04:17.080They had my wedding photo next to this mass shooter on, you know, the British tabloids.
01:04:21.240And, you know, talk about a first trial for your marriage.
01:04:26.440You know, just being able to say that, yeah, like you can go through this and they're going to call you names.
01:04:32.820And, yeah, you might get fired from your job and, you know, you might lose some family members.
01:04:37.940But it's all worth it, you know, because we're glorifying God and we're building a new Christendom.
01:04:43.420And and we're going to express ourselves and we're going to be who God made us to be as men.
01:04:50.900And they they're desperately looking for, you know, authenticity and authentic masculinity.
01:04:55.620And I I hope that I can, you know, sort of point them back to Christ for that, because Christ, of course, is the the ultimate figurehead of of true biblical masculinity and manhood.
01:05:06.940Yeah, it's it's it's a tough thing. It's a tough situation.
01:05:08.920There's so many young men that are so lost in the nihilism of the world, but they're actively looking for an alternative.
01:05:19.300And if we can point them to Christ as the alternative, the Lord can do some incredible things.
01:05:23.980But it can't be this fake, you know, effeminate Christianity that is out there.
01:05:29.460It sort of has to be, you know, no, we're men.