The King's Hall - November 12, 2024


Trump Rising: A Time to Build

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00:01:26.600 In 1987, Donald Trump released his book, The Art of the Deal,
00:01:53.320 which served as something of a behind-the-scenes memoir detailing his business acumen and philosophy
00:01:59.260 for success in entrepreneurial ventures. At the heart of his strategy, Trump relied on intensely
00:02:05.520 focused goals while avoiding unnecessary distractions, as well as his now famous brand
00:02:11.460 of aggressive, confident negotiation tactics. He emphasized visionary leadership and big thinking,
00:02:18.340 as well as a strong dose of audacious, risk-taking pursuits.
00:02:22.780 It was that sort of business approach that brought his net worth at its height in the 1980s
00:02:27.420 to somewhere near $3 billion, according to Forbes.
00:02:30.880 But his success was not destined to last forever.
00:02:34.220 Due to a number of factors, Trump experienced substantial business losses in the late 80s and 90s
00:02:40.120 that caused his net worth to plummet.
00:02:42.660 A financial recession, combined with over-leveraged assets and debt accumulation
00:02:47.040 that he was not able to service due to failing properties
00:02:50.260 meant that Trump would lose nearly $40 million per year
00:02:54.140 starting in 1990 and 1991.
00:02:57.040 Trump had purchased the Plaza Hotel in New York in 1988
00:03:00.560 for $407 million,
00:03:03.000 but the real estate market had declined with the recession,
00:03:06.760 hotel revenues plummeted,
00:03:08.400 and he was unable to service the debt.
00:03:10.640 Likewise, he had invested heavily in Atlantic City casinos,
00:03:13.920 but those properties,
00:03:15.220 which included the Trump Taj Mahal, Trump Marina, and Trump Plaza, were plagued by operational
00:03:21.300 issues, poor management, and a downturn in the gaming industry. As a result, Trump's debt soared,
00:03:28.380 his revenues fell, and he found himself in nearly catastrophic financial straits.
00:03:33.860 It was also a matter of bad timing with the recession of the early 90s. A tanking economy
00:03:39.160 meant that people weren't spending on luxury properties, which decreased their value. Likewise,
00:03:44.060 the economy brought with it high interest rates, increasing the cost to service debt on his high
00:03:49.680 stakes properties. To top it off, Trump had overextended himself as his struggling airline
00:03:55.900 Trump Shuttle demonstrated. He bought the airline for $365 million in 1989, but by 1992 was forced
00:04:04.440 to sell it for a fraction of the price that he'd paid. Adding insult to injury, Trump was maligned
00:04:10.200 in the media for his high-profile legal and tax failures, thus greatly damaging his brand.
00:04:16.600 To many, it seemed the golden boy of real estate development was finished.
00:04:20.720 But that's where the Trump story truly begins. He worked relentlessly over the remaining years
00:04:26.600 in the 90s to restructure his debts, sell off various properties, and strategically refinance
00:04:32.180 where he could. He faced the failures of overexpansion head-on, and instead of giving up,
00:04:37.440 began to focus on his core assets that produced the most profit.
00:04:41.820 Perhaps most importantly, he relied on his savvy public relations to remake his personal image.
00:04:47.840 He worked closely with the media to reframe his story, not as a failed businessman,
00:04:52.560 but as a casualty of an untimely and unpredictable economic downturn.
00:04:57.340 He kept in the public eye, carefully crafting himself as a successful entrepreneur living a lavish lifestyle.
00:05:04.600 He cut costs aggressively in his businesses, made operational adjustments,
00:05:08.580 and developed strategic investment partnerships that would allow him to return to the top.
00:05:14.140 By the time he ran for president in 2016, Trump had increased his net worth to $4.5 billion.
00:05:20.820 After a massive financial comeback, his net worth would make him wealthier than ever.
00:05:25.680 What he proved, according to those who knew him best, was that he not only survived, but thrived in chaos.
00:05:33.480 He was resilient, able to correct mistakes, and was wildly successful even as he overcame
00:05:39.640 seemingly insurmountable obstacles. Oddly enough, Trump's career path in business has almost
00:05:46.040 completely mirrored his political career. He overcame all odds, especially in the world of
00:05:51.220 public opinion. Famously, Barack Obama on the mean tweets portion of the Jimmy Kimmel show
00:05:56.960 read a tweet from Donald Trump, where Trump said,
00:06:00.120 quote, President Obama will perhaps go down
00:06:02.760 as the worst president in the history of the United States,
00:06:06.400 end quote, and sorry for the bad Trump impression.
00:06:09.460 With a smug look into the camera,
00:06:11.380 the audience laughed and Obama responded,
00:06:14.180 well, at real Donald Trump,
00:06:15.920 at least I will go down a president.
00:06:18.880 Before the 2016 election,
00:06:21.060 it was humorous to most political experts
00:06:23.220 that the one-time host of NBC's The Apprentice
00:06:26.640 would even stand a chance against Hillary Clinton in the 2016 presidential race.
00:06:32.220 And yet, against all odds and expectations,
00:06:34.780 Trump captured 306 electoral college votes to ascend to the White House.
00:06:40.920 He appealed to frustrated Americans who wanted to see the swamp of Washington, D.C. drained.
00:06:47.340 Trump pulled off the unthinkable. 0.95
00:06:49.420 The New York Times had given Hillary Clinton an 85% chance of winning,
00:06:53.560 but Trump still found himself in the Oval Office.
00:06:57.540 However, his story was far from over.
00:07:00.620 Trump's presidency was plagued by traitors within and hostile opponents without.
00:07:05.560 He trusted the wrong cabinet members, he hadn't developed a deep bench of staffers,
00:07:10.120 and he was ill-prepared for the challenges of government operations.
00:07:14.480 Accusations of collusion with Russia persisted, he was impeached,
00:07:18.220 and to cap things off, he was targeted by the justice system
00:07:21.680 following his loss to Joe Biden in 2020
00:07:25.120 for the events that took place at the Capitol building
00:07:27.640 on January 6th.
00:07:29.540 Many of his colleagues would go to prison,
00:07:31.620 including Steve Bannon.
00:07:33.120 The country plummeted into chaos and economic downturn
00:07:36.480 after the great shandemic of 2020. 0.97
00:07:39.420 Lawsuit after lawsuit was filed against him.
00:07:42.040 His political career seemed finished,
00:07:44.440 or so everyone thought.
00:07:46.560 Most, including those on the Republican side,
00:07:49.320 saw him as an absolute liability to the party.
00:07:53.320 Then, on July 13th, 2024,
00:07:56.140 while Trump was campaigning at a rally
00:07:57.940 in Butler, Pennsylvania,
00:07:59.680 shots rang out from a nearby building.
00:08:02.180 Turning his head ever so slightly at the last moment,
00:08:05.180 a bullet that would have ripped straight through his head
00:08:07.540 instead nicked his ear,
00:08:09.820 miraculously preserving his life.
00:08:12.160 Several more shots hit members of the crowd behind him,
00:08:15.140 killing Corey Compratore, age 50,
00:08:17.240 a former fire chief in Butler Township.
00:08:20.080 Despite the media's best efforts to memory hold the event,
00:08:23.220 this is a moment that will never be forgotten.
00:08:26.000 After getting hit, Trump was swarmed by secret service agents,
00:08:29.980 but he fought through them and in a moment of audacious courage
00:08:33.200 stood up and shouted into the microphone,
00:08:35.620 fight, fight, fight.
00:08:38.120 The country was inches away from total chaos
00:08:40.700 and perhaps a nearly certain civil uprising.
00:08:44.120 It was the moment that changed American history forever.
00:08:47.240 the bullet meant to kill him would turn him into a lionized national hero with the clear sense that
00:08:53.820 he had a mandate from heaven trump would speak shortly after at the republican national convention
00:08:59.260 bandaged ear and all and would accept the nomination from the party he would narrowly
00:09:04.220 escape an all-out assault from the weaponized justice department as well as a second assassination
00:09:09.680 attempt in florida and on november 5th would declare victory as president-elect of the united
00:09:15.500 States of America. With the protection of God and a decisive victory at the polls, Trump would rise
00:09:21.440 higher than he had before. If the election of 2016 mirrored the art of the deal, the 2024 election
00:09:27.900 most certainly mirrored the art of the comeback. After Trump had won Pennsylvania by a wide margin
00:09:33.720 and captured the swing state of Georgia, Fox News' Brett Baer rightly said that Donald Trump
00:09:39.080 was the biggest political phoenix from the ashes story in the history of U.S. politics.
00:09:44.800 Co-host Britt Hume added,
00:09:46.680 In the days after January 6th, I remember sitting there, I think with you, Britt, and I said,
00:09:51.880 This guy Trump, he's radioactive. Republicans have turned against him. They want rid of him.
00:09:57.180 He's an obstacle. He's a problem. And I don't think a political comeback by him was possible.
00:10:02.500 And yet here we are. He's the toughest son of a gun I've ever seen, ever.
00:10:07.720 I mean, all he's had thrown at him? I would be in an insane asylum, end quote. 0.83
00:10:13.460 While some states are still counting at the time of this recording,
00:10:17.320 Trump appears to have captured the election in resounding fashion.
00:10:21.320 It appears he will again surpass 300 electoral college votes
00:10:25.320 and capture the popular vote by more than 5 million votes.
00:10:29.300 A political phoenix, indeed.
00:10:31.420 Here's the thing, Trump couldn't and didn't do it alone.
00:10:34.820 After the Butler, Pennsylvania assassination attempts,
00:10:38.100 a large number of America's best and brightest rallied to Trump,
00:10:42.140 including Elon Musk. When asked why he did, Musk told Tucker Carlson on election night that it was
00:10:48.960 above all Trump's courage to stand and fight for America that compelled him to join forces.
00:10:55.420 He realized what was at stake. Musk also told Joe Rogan in an interview just a few days before
00:11:01.580 the election that if Kamala won, it would be the last Democratic election in U.S. history.
00:11:08.000 Speaking of Rogan, Trump and Vice President-elect J.D. Vance found a way to reach the American
00:11:13.240 people through alternate media platforms, thus delegitimizing and weakening the long-held power
00:11:19.660 of the legacy media. Where did the idea to lean on podcasters like Rogan and Theo Vaughn come from,
00:11:25.980 you may wonder? According to Trump, it was from his son Barron, the 6'7", 18-year-old who himself
00:11:33.860 has become something of a dark MAGA celebrity
00:11:36.720 among Gen Z supporters and right-wing Anon accounts.
00:11:40.460 There really couldn't have been a Trump victory
00:11:42.440 without Tucker Carlson's network,
00:11:44.740 which wouldn't have happened
00:11:45.940 unless he was first fired from Fox News
00:11:48.400 as he was in October of 2023.
00:11:51.820 And Tucker's platform wouldn't have exploded
00:11:53.700 unless it had a place to thrive,
00:11:55.840 which is where Elon Musk's purchase of Twitter,
00:11:58.440 now X, comes into the story.
00:12:00.860 While Twitter helped secure Biden's victory in 2020,
00:12:03.500 by suppressing what it considered right-wing disinformation
00:12:07.040 and promoting the left's narrative,
00:12:09.640 by the time 2024 rolled around,
00:12:12.320 X had become the last bastion of free speech
00:12:14.700 and a mighty weapon for defeating legacy outlets.
00:12:18.180 Along the way, we found out that the CIA tried to kill Tucker,
00:12:22.460 was tapping his phone,
00:12:23.640 and many similar threats were made against Elon Musk for supporting Trump.
00:12:28.100 What lessons can be learned from this truly strange
00:12:30.840 and providential epic in American history. First, leaders must be dealers in hope. It was Napoleon
00:12:39.160 Bonaparte, the great French general, who rightly said as much, but it was Trump who showcased such
00:12:45.040 character before the watching eyes of the world. By all accounts, Trump rose to power a second time
00:12:50.560 because he never gave up hope for America, not in the face of lawsuits, assassination attempts,
00:12:56.040 and constant slander in the media.
00:12:58.880 It was his courageous refusal to accept the odds
00:13:02.220 as well as his war cry of fight, fight, fight
00:13:04.740 that drew other courageous and competent men
00:13:07.400 like Elon Musk to rally to him.
00:13:09.880 If we learn anything from this moment,
00:13:12.120 it's that men don't follow titles, they follow courage.
00:13:16.780 Speaking of which, the leaders of the former Big Eva
00:13:19.820 went all in on the left and Kamala Harris
00:13:22.520 and they should be rightly rejected
00:13:24.620 as illegitimate voices in the new Christian right movement.
00:13:28.100 David Platt, Ron Burns, Ray Ortlund, Russell Moore,
00:13:32.140 David French, and many others
00:13:33.640 have no credibility remaining.
00:13:36.040 Who will rise to take their place?
00:13:38.120 What kind of men will they be?
00:13:39.980 If this election has taught us anything,
00:13:41.920 they must be men of courage
00:13:44.240 who posit a hopeful vision for building
00:13:46.860 and doing great things in the future.
00:13:49.420 They must be audacious men
00:13:50.980 like St. Patrick and St. Boniface
00:13:53.120 who conquered lands, spread the gospel, confronted kings, chopped down oaks of idolatry, and inspired
00:14:00.020 great men like Charlemagne, king and emperor of the Christian West. Second, it takes a tribe of 0.78
00:14:06.260 great men, not just a great man, to accomplish great things. Trump's victory would have been
00:14:11.760 impossible without the help of Elon, Tucker, Peter Thiel, Dana White, vote recruiter Scott Pressler,
00:14:17.920 and many more hands on deck.
00:14:20.160 Yet again, we're reminded
00:14:21.400 that you can't get anything done without coalitions.
00:14:24.500 You've got to work across differences,
00:14:26.840 unite around a common goal, and work together.
00:14:29.560 If Christendom is to be rebuilt,
00:14:31.460 the brother wars have to stop.
00:14:33.680 And further, meaningful coalitions
00:14:35.540 must arise between Christian boroughs.
00:14:38.640 Gondor and Rohan must be united with Rivendell 0.97
00:14:42.120 and the kingdom of the dwarves. 0.93
00:14:44.180 Now, if you're prone to purity spiral,
00:14:45.980 this strange providence will surely ruffle your feathers. Elon's first five children were
00:14:51.500 conceived via IVF and the last through surrogacy. Theo and Pressler are both homosexuals and Dana 0.93
00:14:58.580 White, CEO of UFC, is hardly singing in the church choir. Meanwhile, many evangelicals sat out the 0.98
00:15:06.180 election because of Trump's abortion policies. Because despite working to overturn Roe v. Wade,
00:15:11.680 Trump did not run on a significantly pro-life ticket in 2024. As a result, many evangelicals
00:15:18.720 won't be a part of the new movement, largely because of their own choice. For the rest of us,
00:15:23.860 we think this represents a remarkable opportunity to get involved, have our voices heard, and work
00:15:29.140 with the new administration as much as we're able. We need political and economic coalitions
00:15:34.440 if we're going to rebuild our towns, churches, and nation. Third, the future belongs to young
00:15:40.120 right-wing men. As Eric Coralesa pointed out in Time magazine after the election,
00:15:46.220 the voter turnout for young men was shockingly high. Trump won 42% of men ages 18 to 29,
00:15:53.460 and he did it thanks to a strategy implemented by Alex Brusowitz, a 27-year-old white male who
00:16:00.120 encouraged Trump to make a podcast run with guys like Theovan and Joe Rogan. According to Time,
00:16:06.140 Trump's campaign strategy was to target young men
00:16:08.820 who mostly interacted with politics
00:16:10.920 through edgy bro podcasts and social media.
00:16:14.160 In July, campaign manager Susie Wiles
00:16:16.940 tasked a 27-year-old with spearheading
00:16:19.580 Trump's podcast circuit, Alex Brusewicz.
00:16:22.740 Maybe more shocking,
00:16:24.060 when Brusewicz attempted to get approval
00:16:26.040 for the podcast strategy,
00:16:27.740 Trump told him to call Barron for his input and sign off.
00:16:31.180 By appealing to young men, Trump won.
00:16:34.020 Compare that to the way most evangelical leaders treat young men on social media today.
00:16:39.660 Typically, those young men are berated for playing video games, listening to Andrew Tate, or going to the gym.
00:16:46.200 If you laugh at the right kind of meme, or the wrong kind of meme, you could be the target of excommunication and ostracism.
00:16:52.700 You're scolded for enjoying white boy summer or reading alternative histories about World War II or other historical events.
00:17:00.660 A good word for how many churches and prominent platforms think about young men today might be disdain.
00:17:07.620 And with every stroke of the keyboard, such leaders do what they can to alienate young men,
00:17:12.980 especially young white men, who get labeled as Nazis, fascists, and racists. 0.95
00:17:18.340 But as Trump proved, this is a foolish strategy if you want to attract fighters for the coming culture war. 0.99
00:17:24.860 Instead of constantly attacking young white men, a new breed of leader has to emerge 0.80
00:17:29.560 who relates with them, gets in their corner, and addresses their concerns.
00:17:34.960 Now, it's not about pandering, but it is about winning their hearts,
00:17:39.200 giving them a greater mission, and making sure they don't end up
00:17:42.400 as a generation of lost boys without a future.
00:17:45.740 As a boomer, Trump demonstrated that older generations of leaders can be flexible,
00:17:50.560 listen, and make adjustments that account for a powerful new demographic of right-wing men.
00:17:57.040 It's not at all inevitable that older men have to live up to the OK Boomer stereotype.
00:18:02.280 It's time church leadership and media platforms within Christendom learn this lesson as well.
00:18:07.400 Fourth and finally, it's no time to black pill, but to build.
00:18:11.680 After the victory had been declared on election night,
00:18:14.600 Elon Musk kept telling Tucker Carlson that this was an exciting time for America
00:18:20.000 and that he was working to bring about a new golden age in U.S. history.
00:18:24.540 Talk about bold ambition.
00:18:26.200 Yes, the deep state and political machine had come after him.
00:18:29.740 He acknowledged it, but he didn't fixate on it.
00:18:32.800 While certain Christian camps kept blackpilling,
00:18:35.640 Elon was calling on great Americans to start rebuilding.
00:18:38.980 On X, he shared a photo of his SpaceX rocket at Ignition saying,
00:18:42.700 quote, the future is going to be fantastic, end quote.
00:18:46.840 In truth, there's never been a better time to start building.
00:18:50.320 If, Lord willing, Elon gets his wish to head the new
00:18:53.300 Department of Government Efficiency, or DOGE,
00:18:56.200 and he starts eliminating government agencies as promised,
00:18:59.680 the restraints on economic growth are going to be destroyed.
00:19:02.920 The future belongs to the innovators,
00:19:05.180 the builders and businessmen who have the nerve to sail across oceans,
00:19:09.200 start new ventures and build their Christian boroughs
00:19:12.160 in the spirit of the age of exploration.
00:19:14.540 The leaders in cities that win in the next four years
00:19:17.400 are going to be those with bold plans, big visions
00:19:20.640 and a renewed sense of the Puritan work ethic.
00:19:24.260 Yes, the vibe has shifted.
00:19:27.040 Thanks, Santiago.
00:19:28.120 But do you have what it takes to capitalize?
00:19:30.880 Yes, the new Trump-Vance administration
00:19:33.200 is friendly to the Christian right,
00:19:35.340 but will you take a seat at the table
00:19:37.280 or will you abstain?
00:19:38.860 The future is going to be fantastic.
00:19:41.140 We think especially it's going to be fantastic
00:19:43.580 here in Ogden.
00:19:44.820 It's time to build.
00:19:47.220 The King's Hall podcast exists
00:19:48.760 to make self-ruled men who rule well
00:19:51.500 and win the world.
00:19:53.560 well gentlemen welcome to this episode of the king's hall podcast brought to you brian
00:20:09.860 in trump's america this is trump's america what this means what this election means
00:20:15.360 is that uh ben and pastor griffin and i a couple of us we went for a walk around the block yesterday
00:20:20.780 and we basically any house that had a rainbow flag we we now legally own we own them that's
00:20:27.340 what it means this is trump's america trump's america dan welcome to the show it's good to
00:20:31.600 have you back where was i you were well you've been gone it's been two episodes you haven't been
00:20:36.820 on are you serious yeah last two wait and you guys were where was i me and ben did the rise
00:20:42.600 and fall of constantinople eric and i did the intro to the adam madden madden interview where
00:20:47.780 was i you were gone i wasn't here no no you weren't here well what's ironic is that i was
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00:21:37.780 And we were like, we have to do it today. Pressing matters though. We had a huge election.
00:21:42.920 Yeah, that's true.
00:21:44.120 But the thing is.
00:21:44.860 One of the biggest in my lifetime, I think.
00:21:46.220 The ducks are still flying right now.
00:21:48.480 And here I am in a basement.
00:21:51.060 Dan, your home state of Wisconsin actually came through this time around.
00:21:56.020 Praise God.
00:21:56.820 I mean.
00:21:57.160 There was no 3 a.m. vote drop.
00:21:59.640 Nope.
00:21:59.980 I think that got shut down this year.
00:22:02.380 Trump is the president-elect.
00:22:04.800 So I kind of want to start with that.
00:22:06.720 I was driving to work the morning after we had found this out.
00:22:11.460 stayed up all night right watching trump speak and i saw like the snow-capped peaks of the wasatch
00:22:17.160 front and it was like a pink sky with the sunrise glory and all creation was just singing i think
00:22:24.800 is what was i felt different there was a different vibe okay not to be too hyperbolic about this
00:22:31.120 brian yeah but i i've talked to a lot of people who are kind of in that same mood of like there
00:22:36.260 has been a real, you know, weight that's lifted. It feels a little bit like the lion, the witch,
00:22:41.500 and the wardrobe where you're looking around and things are thawing. People have talked about the
00:22:45.440 spell breaking, Sauron's eye crashing down. There's a lot of work to do, but I guess just
00:22:50.760 describe why for people this moment is so pivotal. Well, it's so funny because there's like two
00:22:55.620 reactions to what you just said. And we had a similar thing with, um, I walked in a chapel and
00:23:00.580 I'm leading chapel at St. Brennan's this week teaching. It's like, you know, five, 10 minute
00:23:04.060 little mini homily, we sing, we pray, and then they go to class. And usually we start with a
00:23:10.400 call and response where whoever's leading, whichever one of the pastors will say, welcome
00:23:14.680 to another day at St. Brendan's. And their students all respond super loud. A gift from the Lord.
00:23:20.480 Well, before I can even get to that, I'm finding my spot in the passage. Like the little kids start
00:23:25.480 chanting Trump, Trump, Trump. That's great. And I said that on Twitter and everyone's like,
00:23:31.980 idolatry i do call them to repent yeah exactly and i'm like guys read the room look it's okay
00:23:38.000 to celebrate a civic victory even if it's not the ultimate eschaton it's not the ultimate
00:23:42.960 eschatological victory where christ returns with the sound of the trumpet blast nobody's
00:23:47.680 all the rights will be made wrong and no like it's but it is a real civic victory so for me
00:23:53.780 when when the the weight you're describing lifted that like i fell asleep with my phone in my hand
00:24:00.340 which i've never do and woke up and i still hadn't seen the full it was like 99 but then i i got up
00:24:07.020 at four in the morning and i was like oh praise god and there was a weight and it was just you
00:24:12.120 think about issue after issue where we were faced as a nation with a fork in the road toward possibly
00:24:17.440 the end of elections um with uh completely catastrophic illegal immigration solidified
00:24:24.780 for another four years, those immigrants turned into voters, Democrat voters, and you just start
00:24:31.380 going down the line, transing of kids and the transgender issue continuing to be exploded,
00:24:36.640 maybe abortion codified at the federal level, like the Supreme Court justices, maybe one to three
00:24:41.880 getting placed by Kamala Harris. And you start looking at that. And then you look at the fork
00:24:47.940 to the right with Trump winning a Trump Vance ticket. And the thing that struck me was just
00:24:53.840 not only what a mercy, what a mercy for our nation, for all of those issues and more, but also
00:25:00.720 just tremendous divine providence, in my view, in making all of us walk through one of the hardest
00:25:08.420 roads to this, instead of winning in 2020, being declared the winner, at least in 2020,
00:25:15.460 Trump experienced all of the lawfare, all of the weaponized Department of Justice,
00:25:21.540 all of the nonsense the assassination attempt and some of the lessons that i think he would
00:25:27.280 have learned lightly um he's now learned deep in his core and so now we have a trump with those
00:25:34.600 lessons ingrained and we have much better staff behind jd vance instead of mike pence and etc
00:25:39.780 and etc so i mean there's so much that we could say but it was just i was very thankful to the
00:25:45.280 lord and and it's not only trump that's been through that right the last four years but i
00:25:50.200 I was talking to my wife last night and I was like, these last four years have been hell.
00:25:55.360 Think about when Biden came into office.
00:25:58.160 It was in the middle of this, you know, shandemic, uh, masking all the vaccine stuff.
00:26:04.420 We've got a lot of military people that, that come to the church that are members of the
00:26:08.200 church.
00:26:08.600 And so we're writing vaccine, religious exemptions, careers destroyed.
00:26:12.800 Yeah.
00:26:12.900 Careers destroyed.
00:26:13.620 Yeah.
00:26:13.840 People losing their jobs.
00:26:15.040 You don't know what's going to happen.
00:26:16.220 And then that kind of goes by the wayside and a lot of the oppression still exists.
00:26:23.520 And then the economic downturn in rapid inflation and, you know, people people are making less money now than 50 years ago.
00:26:34.660 The the quality of living is is degrading.
00:26:38.280 And so the last four years have been absolutely horrible, but also as a gift from God, because we've had to go through this too.
00:26:47.720 It wasn't just Trump.
00:26:49.100 We've all experienced this.
00:26:50.660 We've all seen how bad it can really go if we let up.
00:26:54.640 If we don't keep pressing, if we don't keep building, then this is how bad it could get.
00:26:59.800 Because then you look at the trajectory and you're like, if we have four more years of this, what is the world going to look like?
00:27:05.860 It'll look like a hellscape is what it'll look like. 0.92
00:27:08.200 sending hundreds of billions of dollars to foreign powers to ukraine and what new wars could we start
00:27:14.680 in in four more years it's just that's such a good point that it wasn't just the leaders that
00:27:19.740 went through it it was the people yeah which is why i think you see such historic shifts in voter
00:27:24.740 demographics hispanic men turning out 20 stronger for trump than in 2020 or maybe even more than
00:27:31.380 that demographics that historically had been lockstep for democrats yeah i mean politicians
00:27:37.860 were and churches were politicking essentially by pandering to women and that because that was
00:27:43.160 the main voter block that was a rising voter block especially with uh education uh college
00:27:48.760 level education and with the workforce increasing to women what we saw was a massive shift back to
00:27:54.860 masculinity i think is what we're seeing is the rise of men yep well it was interesting too we'll
00:27:59.840 talk a little bit more about this but you had record turnout for 18 to 29 year old men i think
00:28:04.840 trump won almost 50 of that demographic which is insane um working men even people on you know
00:28:12.880 as trump calls it ms dnc uh they're crying about it and they're like so funny all the college
00:28:18.900 educated people voted for kamala harris and large number uh it's the working men who just you know
00:28:24.860 they're the ones who just damaged america and brought back communism you know the fascism 0.92
00:28:30.020 So it's interesting to see that demographic shift, I think. 0.67
00:28:35.120 But also, as you look at, Dan, you talked about what we all had to live through in the last four years.
00:28:41.900 This morning, I got up and I saw on X, Trump has released a video.
00:28:48.500 And he said all government programs for transgenderism and the chemical castration and the psychological torture of our children, it's ending.
00:28:57.340 like day one i'm putting a stop to all of this and what a weight off that he's coming out and
00:29:03.040 saying no boys are going to be boys again girls are going to be girls you know these men masquerading
00:29:08.480 as women you're not going to be in locker rooms what a relief uh that that's coming crashing down
00:29:13.740 matt walsh said something i think it was today or yesterday about how you know and he's been
00:29:17.900 fighting at the front lines on the trans issue yeah um with his documentaries and his show for
00:29:22.380 for quite a while and doing a tremendous job on the propaganda war um when he saw that he was like
00:29:28.240 this is the capstone of the cresting of the wave where it's it's turned now america if you see the
00:29:35.420 turnout and the the two platforms the way they ran even the democrat platform has been distancing
00:29:41.720 itself from the trans issue because the cultural shift the backlash is enormous against these
00:29:49.620 things. Normal, ordinary Americans are starting to look at these things and see them for what they 0.97
00:29:56.100 are, which is a demonic death cult bent on the destruction of civilization. They're starting to
00:30:01.520 see these things. They use government bureaucracy to shove it down people's throats too. And that's 0.97
00:30:05.340 why it's so encouraging when you see, anytime I log into X and it's like, oh, the FDA is going to
00:30:12.840 be changing a whole bunch of, essentially gutting all of these non-essential or even damaging
00:30:18.980 uh, nutrition programs and, and you have different things like, uh, talking about the
00:30:24.960 American military intelligence, you know, the CIA and the FBI and, and the talks about gutting
00:30:32.060 those or removing a lot of them, you know, all of the government bureaucracy, uh, something
00:30:37.300 interesting. I can't remember the specific data, but for some decades now we've added essentially
00:30:42.540 two government agencies a year, bureaucratic agencies a year. And in these decades, we have
00:30:50.120 removed zero. Unbelievable. And so we're so overweight with government bureaucracy. And it
00:30:56.780 really, I mean, we really felt the effects sharply during the shamdemic when the Department of Health,
00:31:03.760 you had local departments of health and things like that. They were essentially in charge.
00:31:07.700 Like they had the, they, they were able to stamp whatever they wanted.
00:31:12.760 What's interesting too.
00:31:14.440 We're getting reports that Thomas Massey and Joel Salatin are going to be involved with the USDA, which I mean, would be remarkable.
00:31:23.360 You've got RFK.
00:31:24.660 Who's going to be involved with some of the health stuff.
00:31:27.420 You've got Elon Musk with Doge.
00:31:29.500 First of all, come on, come on.
00:31:31.980 I mean, these are some of our friends' friends.
00:31:35.100 Like John Moody, good friends with Joel Salatin and Thomas Massey.
00:31:38.380 Thomas Massey actually follows me on Twitter.
00:31:40.360 Yeah, I mean, and probably the greatest statesman right now, like in his position.
00:31:46.980 It's just like there's probably no equal to him. 0.90
00:31:49.340 And he's friends with John Moody, who's one of the most based people you'll ever, based Christians you'll ever meet.
00:31:55.980 Yeah. 0.97
00:31:56.160 So you start to look at these changes and the things I'm seeing, I'm literally looking at them and thinking, it's like I'm dreaming.
00:32:06.360 And I'm having a dream where Joel Salatin and Thomas Massey are going to be in RFK, some of RFK stuff as well is going to be taking on big agriculture, big, big pharma, seed oils.
00:32:18.080 These are things that I didn't think we were within 20 years of touching.
00:32:22.940 And all of a sudden within months.
00:32:25.040 I think that's part of the backlash.
00:32:26.280 I thought it would remain on the fringe forever on, on remote Twitter accounts that I follow.
00:32:31.300 And by the way, everybody in our space seems to take anonymous Twitter accounts, health advice over medical doctors, which is really funny.
00:32:41.420 But now those people are actually in power and they're going to be.
00:32:44.900 So back to Trump's cabinet and all of the different people that he had in his bureaucracy, essentially, all of those people were moved.
00:32:55.420 He even admitted like those were bad choices.
00:32:57.760 He didn't know what he was doing there.
00:32:59.380 It was new to him.
00:33:00.840 And so having this cabinet full of absolutely amazing men is very exciting.
00:33:07.740 Yeah. I mean, I can't even imagine the world what it's going to look like in three years when a lot of these government agencies, their power is removed.
00:33:15.300 Budgets are balanced. He's made some huge promises about income tax because the middle class are the only people who pay income taxes.
00:33:23.200 I don't want to derail us too much. But, you know, what is the world going to look like when you go to Walmart and there's raw milk on the shelves?
00:33:29.680 There's no seed oils allowed, no red 40, no yellow five.
00:33:33.760 Like your people are getting healthier.
00:33:35.840 There is no vaccines mandated for birth of children. 0.98
00:33:39.760 We're not autism rates and just mental retardation and cognitive developmental issues are on the decline. 0.95
00:33:47.280 Average lifespan increases infant mortality rates start to drop. 0.94
00:33:52.760 Like what is the world going to look like down?
00:33:55.140 I can't even imagine this.
00:33:56.760 This is why I'm so excited is because it's beyond what I could have ever hoped for.
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00:35:33.940 Yeah, just politically speaking, these are all, and again, like there's a temptation for Christians 1.00
00:35:38.620 to be like, it's not the eschaton, so I'm not going to celebrate. But I'm looking at these 0.99
00:35:42.720 things are going, how could you not be celebrating all of these potential civic wins? And I, one of
00:35:48.740 the big lessons that I'm, and I'm glad to see this as a strong core part of the message, not only from
00:35:53.980 people in, in the new right pressuring the, the, um, the Donald Trump advance and his team, but
00:36:02.620 also from their own internal signaling, they get that this is not a moment to now stop and signal
00:36:08.720 peace with the left right this is a moment for to turn a victory into a route this is a moment
00:36:13.980 to do the king alfred he learned that if he let the vikings retreat and they just stay on the
00:36:18.980 field they beat him on the field and then they let the vikings retreat if if you don't follow them
00:36:24.560 and put to sword every single enemy soldier that is retreating they'll go they'll regroup they'll
00:36:30.880 come back and kill you tomorrow and i think i finally i finally think the right is getting this 0.85
00:36:37.140 you have to press your advantage. Yeah. I think that's part of the appointments too, 0.99
00:36:41.980 you know, with RFK, with Elon Musk is recognizing once you're at this point,
00:36:47.860 there's been a victory on the field, so to speak, as Brian pointed out, you have to press the attack.
00:36:52.520 And one of the ways that you do this is you have to actually go and work within the wheels of
00:36:57.240 government and change policy. Yes. And you're going to need the people who do that. I also
00:37:01.540 think it's strategically effective. Think about how many young moms were probably won by the RFK
00:37:07.120 addition to the ticket. I mean, because, you know, even people kind of on the left,
00:37:11.680 the Jenny McCarthy's of the world, like that drum has been beat for a long time on vaccines,
00:37:17.720 you know, what they're doing, children's health. You've got a lot of people, uh, in the adjacent
00:37:22.860 Joel Salatin world, and they are not all conservatives, but they care about, you know,
00:37:29.260 the Atrazine, right. They care about Monsanto. So I think I see that changing. I also thought
00:37:34.760 this was interesting this is david sachs and he had a post on x why trump won just a brief quote
00:37:41.160 from it he says while the legacy media creates excuses and impugns the motives of voters to
00:37:47.100 explain why trump won the reason is simple trump is the candidate who spoke to voters concerns
00:37:51.940 directly i mean you didn't really find any substance i think from the harris campaign
00:37:56.940 Kamala Harris has a godlike gift for saying 500 words and it having absolutely no informational
00:38:04.860 content whatsoever. I mean, she has, she's like the LeBron James. She's like the Tiger Woods in 1.00
00:38:11.060 his prime. She's like the, I don't know, the Eric Khan of transitions of bad transitions. Like she
00:38:18.600 is that level of gifting at just speaking for five to 65 minutes and saying absolutely nothing.
00:38:27.200 And the thing is the delegitimization of the media and like Elon's right. When he says you
00:38:32.380 are the media now, when you get just even a crack in the door to free speech on, on X,
00:38:36.780 what happens is that people begin to see even people who had genuinely been deceived and like,
00:38:43.700 oh yeah, they believed everything the media said about Trump. They believed everything that the
00:38:47.400 media said about the godlike abilities of the democrat leaders of biden and kamala and then
00:38:51.740 they see biden get up on that debate stage and then they actually start to see kamala and hear
00:38:57.780 her speak and then they see trump on joe rogan for three hours and they see jd vance before hostile
00:39:03.480 reporters being calm and polite and respectful and absolutely embarrassing them and normal people 1.00
00:39:10.900 start to see we've been had these are evil idiots who are running the country and actually those 1.00
00:39:16.800 those right wingers, man, I didn't, I don't like everything, but they're kind, they actually, 1.00
00:39:21.740 at least they're making sense. Yeah. These are the kind of issues of the day. I also think this
00:39:26.220 becomes problematic. And Dan, I want to get your thoughts. You have the response of the old regime
00:39:31.940 that's dying in evangelicalism. And these were the issues that they actually also refused to address.
00:39:39.540 And so you're seeing as the right ascends, you know, the pietism, you've got stuff like this
00:39:44.460 from John Piper. He said, presidential election results, having delivered us from one evil,
00:39:50.660 God now tests us with another. And you can see all the pastors even responding to him and being
00:39:57.860 like, John, why? Why does it have to be this way? So I think, as Brian, you mentioned in the cold
00:40:04.620 open, there seems to be, they understand that they're losing power. And because they're losing
00:40:10.860 authority. People don't trust them. They're not speaking on the issues that people really care
00:40:15.520 about. The pietism is not going to hold the barbarians off. So I want to get your thoughts, 1.00
00:40:21.820 particularly about Christian leadership. A lot of Christian leaders, I think, failed the test
00:40:28.060 when it came to resonating with the actual issues of particularly like young Christian right-wing
00:40:33.460 men. Your thoughts on that? Well, yeah, I think if you contrast our limited successor or people
00:40:40.840 that are in our camp, the success that we've all had versus Big Eva, you'll see some stark
00:40:48.280 differences. One of the main reasons that people actually listen to our stuff, one of the main
00:40:53.700 compliments that people in our church give, especially Pastor Sauve with his preaching,
00:40:59.440 is that we're very direct and we give action. So we go through the scriptures, you exposit the text,
00:41:08.880 and then you say, therefore, in light of this, you should do this or stop doing this.
00:41:13.800 It's very specific, very direct. If you look at Big Eva, though, they operate much like the old
00:41:19.980 political regime where it's big tent. In a lot of ways, you're just going to try to rock the boat 0.92
00:41:24.440 as little as possible and attract as many people as possible. And that's the principle. And so you
00:41:29.680 can see how that's applied versus ironically with what we've been doing based on our principles of
00:41:35.440 just expositing the text and telling people to live in light of it. That's kind of what has
00:41:40.520 happening in this new right wave in politics is that Trump's actually speaking to the issues.
00:41:46.540 That's right. People are actually being direct. That's why JD Vance has become so popular is
00:41:51.160 because he can articulate very clearly and very directly at a very, he's competent. He's a real
00:41:57.180 smart guy. Uh, very specific things that need to be done. Very specific actions. I think RFK is
00:42:02.900 really good at this as well. When he starts talking about atrazine or yellow five, I watched
00:42:08.340 a video where he's talking about yellow five. I can't remember what the chemical compound is
00:42:11.500 called. He's like, oh, this was derived from coal and it was a sludge, a waste byproduct.
00:42:17.460 And they started using it to dye fabrics. And they're like, why not food? We'll make M&Ms,
00:42:22.300 yellow M&Ms out of this coal sludge. They now use petroleum to do it. But anyway,
00:42:27.020 it's the specifics people have felt they have real needs they have real struggles and finally
00:42:35.040 somebody is actually talking to them about that and that's where i think the tools just don't
00:42:39.820 exist for a lot of the more pietistic leaning uh old guard is because they took on so much of this
00:42:46.020 idea of of the post-world war ii uh theory of like hey we just need to be as big as possible
00:42:52.260 You can see that in every sphere of of the world, every sphere of government and of ruling is like, let's let's be kind through not offending anyone at all and make sure that it's as vanilla and whitewashed as possible.
00:43:07.620 And that's why I think where you're losing.
00:43:09.500 Yeah, because it can only last for so long because it's a facade.
00:43:12.520 It's it's just a skim of paint deep.
00:43:16.080 Yeah.
00:43:16.320 When you when you poke Kamala Harris or the Democrats or Joe Biden, even somebody like Mike Pence, let's be honest.
00:43:22.080 Let's be honest. Joe Biden actually wasn't always like this. He used to be quite competent in speaking off his feet with some depth and knowledge to issues even 20 years ago. But the current state of affairs is that you poke them and it's skin deep. You run into the bedrock of nothingness. But when you get a J.D. Vance or an RFK or you get a Trump, they can go deep on issues. They care about them.
00:43:43.840 And what's funny about it is that it's almost like we've circled back to a previous era of politics in a very modern kind of coded way.
00:43:53.140 But if you think back to the Lincoln-Douglas debates and that sort of era of politics, the standard would be you have very little mass media.
00:44:01.180 It's not quick.
00:44:02.420 There's no over the air listening on a radio or anything at this point.
00:44:06.300 And so Lincoln-Douglas, they would travel around from population center to population center, and they would do the Lincoln-Douglas debates.
00:44:14.540 Formal debates are now styled after this style of debate that lasted hours, sometimes six to eight hours.
00:44:21.740 They would take a break and come back and do more hours of off-the-cuff debate about all of the issues of the day, both candidates demonstrating massive depth in their ability to understand the issues and speak to them.
00:44:34.540 Well, what's happened now is that at first you had the amusing yourself to death, Neil Postman-ization of media where everything went TV and TV is by its nature quick and propagandist and it has very little depth by design.
00:44:50.180 Postman would say like you watch a 20-minute news broadcast and genuinely ask yourself, what have I learned?
00:44:56.120 And you find that you've learned very little, but you've been directed towards very specific actions that are basically propagandist.
00:45:03.280 Don't you think the podcast kind of changes this?
00:45:05.360 Well, now when you have a swing in terms of technology
00:45:08.800 towards decentralized and long-form content like podcasts,
00:45:12.600 podcasts are powerful because they're not built around visual,
00:45:15.840 which means that people interact with them differently.
00:45:18.360 It's very difficult to sit down in front of a screen
00:45:20.860 and watch three to six hours of someone just talking,
00:45:23.560 but it's not difficult at all to do that
00:45:25.500 with three to six hours of podcast content
00:45:28.160 while you go about your life,
00:45:29.300 or even 20 to 50 hours of audio book content as you go about your life.
00:45:35.080 So there's been a depth because of decentralized information-driven technology
00:45:41.060 that has led to a shift in not only the type of discourse that drives political,
00:45:47.680 cultural, even religious occurrence, but that also sorts differently for the types of people
00:45:54.220 that are going to rise in those media elements.
00:45:56.580 instead of the really nice looking guy
00:45:59.160 that can read from a teleprompter really well
00:46:01.480 and he can get three minutes of good copy out of him,
00:46:04.320 but he has very little depth in himself.
00:46:06.520 The podcast long form content,
00:46:08.400 it actually sorts and selects for higher competence.
00:46:13.300 So now we're going to see a new class
00:46:15.240 of political elites arise
00:46:16.520 who actually have to be able to be measured
00:46:18.880 against the standard of this new form
00:46:22.440 of rising information delivery and discourse.
00:46:24.800 So you can no longer hide behind the shine and gleam of the television-driven media.
00:46:33.360 You actually now have to be able to stand up to the off-the-cuff, depth-in-yourself ability to sit.
00:46:40.340 And I'm telling you, not many people have done hours-long interviews with hostile to semi-hostile interlocutors or interviewers.
00:46:51.680 even temples that I did the temple show recently, the culture word, it was pretty friendly. And
00:46:56.660 you know, we're, you know, it wasn't, nobody was trying to destroy anybody on that, but even, um,
00:47:02.360 for that one issue, I had to spend 20 or 30 hours studying to be able to sit in a chair
00:47:07.940 for two hours. Yeah. You can't just go in with talking points. Totally different. That's going
00:47:13.620 to carry water. Completely different. Now take that. And that's just one little thing. Um, take
00:47:18.980 J.D. Vance, Donald Trump, these guys, they're going to be queried about 50 to 100 different
00:47:25.900 issues in three hours. And what's happening in America is that even amongst centrists,
00:47:32.280 people are starting to select for statesmen who can withstand that sort of inquiry from memory.
00:47:39.880 So there's a competence hierarchy that's being reshuffled that's very important to understand.
00:47:45.800 Media companies need to understand this.
00:47:47.960 Pastors need to understand this.
00:47:50.200 We need to understand this as we relate to media is that it's actually quite a gift.
00:47:55.200 It's quite a gift because we're going to see media instead of sorting for incompetence and glamour, it's more and more going to sort.
00:48:02.920 I hope that we'll continue to see this trend for competence.
00:48:06.560 I'm just curious what you think.
00:48:07.640 So you just talked about long form media competence, but there's another side of that that's obviously rising.
00:48:13.000 and that's like anonymous autistic meme lords short and then hype videos yes i mean come on
00:48:20.380 what you're seeing there is that so you have logos logos which is just the rationality of
00:48:27.920 discourse and debate you need that but you also need ethos and pathos so you go back to like the
00:48:32.520 when debates began to be televised publicly political debates and there was the famous
00:48:37.620 won. I think it's, is it JFK? It's JFK Nixon. And Nixon looked terrible. People that watched it
00:48:43.840 said that JFK won. People that listened to it on the radio said that Nixon won. So you need,
00:48:50.560 if you can bring them all together, logos, ethos, pathos, you can be powerful. And the other thing
00:48:57.040 that's very powerful about the new dissident right and the new Christian right and a lot of
00:49:01.640 is that we tend to understand this form of media
00:49:05.160 where it can't stand alone.
00:49:07.780 You can't have all pathos and all ethos.
00:49:11.020 You have to have logos behind it.
00:49:12.960 You need to have depth
00:49:13.920 that once they get through the hype video,
00:49:15.720 once they get through basically the cry to war
00:49:20.780 and the call to hope and being a dealer in hope
00:49:23.880 and also being able to destroy your enemies
00:49:26.360 and put them to open shame and mock them and defeat them,
00:49:29.200 Um, you have to have the depth beyond it to stand long haul, but leaders have to recognize
00:49:37.640 the power of short form heart winning media, just as much as long form mind winning media.
00:49:45.120 And they there's, there's bleed between these two, but I just think this is one of the most
00:49:49.720 significant shifts.
00:49:50.400 That's probably not being fully appreciated in what we've seen with Trump and Vance and
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00:51:36.820 Mutual funds, stock portfolio? What did Dave Ramsey tell you to do that?
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00:53:24.700 One of the things that also interests me, Dan, is the coalition that arose to surround Trump and ensure victory,
00:53:33.060 which is, it's ironic because that's not exactly the coalition.
00:53:37.140 If I was praying for the Lord to raise up leaders,
00:53:39.640 to deliver America from the leftist hell,
00:53:42.140 that's maybe not the people that I would think.
00:53:44.780 But I also, I'm driven back to like the scene in Batman
00:53:48.220 where Robin's kind of learning what went on in the final movie.
00:53:52.460 And the commissioner Gordon tells him, you know,
00:53:56.460 he says, you guys did all these things that were kind of like shady or whatever.
00:53:59.960 And he says, you know,
00:54:00.940 would that you had a friend that would get his hands dirty for you and these guys did some really
00:54:05.960 hard work that's not glamorous you had elon musk in pennsylvania with scott pressler um i've actually
00:54:12.520 kind of gotten into it with scott before on twitter about the length of hair discussion
00:54:17.040 years ago uh but this guy went out and he's a republican vote getter and he got the amish 0.71
00:54:21.780 mobilized and they win pennsylvania in record number the guy's a homosexual and yet we see 0.75
00:54:28.380 a lot of number of Christians who are like, I'm sitting this one out. Nobody's perfect enough for 1.00
00:54:31.940 me. There's some purity spiraling going on. But I think, Dan, what I'm getting at is there's
00:54:37.800 something in here about what it takes to build a coalition and get things done politically. 1.00
00:54:42.580 And I'm just wondering why so many Christians can't do it. 1.00
00:54:46.520 Yeah, that's a really good question. We see this a lot in Protestantism, especially.
00:54:51.640 We've talked about this before, especially in our episode, seeing no more brother wars. That's
00:54:56.080 that's really where a lot of these ideas come from, uh, is that it just, it seems like the
00:55:02.440 closer somebody gets to you, the harder it is to get along with them. And, and so we are so used
00:55:08.460 to doing this independently, uh, every part of life. And so the idea that you would go even so
00:55:13.880 far as, as really the coalition that, that Trump built around him is probably icky. You know, it's,
00:55:20.940 it's gross but when you really look at what's happening from the outside it it's crazy the
00:55:27.540 bedfellows that trump has really attracted you know in his in his cabinet that he's forming
00:55:33.400 because you really have this strong rightward movement and i get i appreciate the abolitionists
00:55:38.640 like hey i i'm no more abortion like no more molek worship like i'm all here for it and i
00:55:45.680 think the trajectory that we're going is that direction it's more likely to produce that
00:55:50.760 It is more likely to produce that than to do nothing, to sit on your hands.
00:55:54.980 I think that this is definitely going in that trajectory.
00:55:57.640 Is it even hard to imagine that that's the direction we're going?
00:56:01.200 I mean, especially just looking at past performance, Trump was never really a strong anti-abortion
00:56:07.320 candidate, pro-life candidate.
00:56:09.520 And yet, through his leadership, Roe v. Wade was overturned.
00:56:13.620 I mean, it's not a popular topic to talk about, and he is a politician.
00:56:18.520 And so I can't imagine having that many based Christians, reformed guys, that he's going to be surrounding himself with and the trajectory that guys like Tucker Carlson are on, that you would not have these sorts of topics addressed.
00:56:34.360 Just the overall movement is a movement in the direction of righteousness.
00:56:38.940 But I think it's not going to be.
00:56:40.460 It's not going to be if we say, no, I need – this is –
00:56:43.740 Oh, yeah, you're absolutely right.
00:56:45.100 to Piper's point, this is an evil, I've got to keep my purity. If people, if a large group of
00:56:50.200 people say you're utterly evil, you're indistinguishable from the civilization,
00:56:54.760 destroying evil of the left, and I will not support you whatsoever, that candidate will
00:56:58.460 then go and seek the support of people who will elect him. Yeah. So that, that is what we're going
00:57:02.900 to see, unfortunately, with the decline in evangelical support, which there, there's
00:57:08.220 arguments to be made that some of it has to do with unforced errors on the right in abortion
00:57:13.780 in some of these issues for certain.
00:57:16.380 However, I do think it's important to say
00:57:19.560 as we're looking at the abortion issue
00:57:21.840 that like many of these other skin deep issues on the left,
00:57:26.680 when you actually bring into the light
00:57:28.360 and debate the facts,
00:57:29.980 you realize that there's termites eroding
00:57:33.040 the foundation of the pro-death position
00:57:35.360 where it can't stand up to public scrutiny.
00:57:38.220 If you actually had a debate that was three hours long
00:57:41.080 between the best opponent of abortion
00:57:43.140 and the best proponent of abortion,
00:57:45.720 the opponent of abortion would win cleanly
00:57:49.040 because he happens to have truth on his side.
00:57:52.740 It doesn't matter how eloquently you argue
00:57:54.660 that six divided by two equals 17,
00:57:57.400 the answer is still three, right?
00:57:59.640 So-
00:58:00.500 I had to do the math.
00:58:01.220 You had to do the math.
00:58:01.980 When you look at this issue,
00:58:03.420 it's one that I think,
00:58:04.680 I sense in J.D. Vance even,
00:58:06.900 a discomfort with the platform.
00:58:09.340 And fundamentally, I think it's tied to this issue
00:58:12.200 because J.D. Vance is a very intelligent man, and he is very committed to the rhetoric of
00:58:18.720 logos, pathos, ethos. He's very good at that. So when he's having to debate a position that's
00:58:23.700 fundamentally incoherent, which the current right position on abortion is fundamentally incoherent,
00:58:29.740 that it's, yeah, we don't want extreme bans on abortion. What? We don't want extreme bans on
00:58:36.180 first-degree murder? We only want partial ones? It's an incoherent position. And so my
00:58:42.020 My position is that we get far more maneuvering room because there genuinely is not an analogy between the left and the right currently.
00:58:51.020 It really is the party of the destruction of civilization and the upending of all of the laws of nature, or at least to a far significant degree, more significant degree, reason.
00:59:03.020 So that's why I think long-term, if you have a party that wins on reason, over time, that party will align more and more, provided you have the right inputs and the right sort of people at the table with reason and move in the right direction.
00:59:19.960 So to me, it's not even a question of whether or not you should have voted for, like I said in the sermon on Sunday.
00:59:26.600 I think it's lawful to not sin against your conscience and cast a vote where you believe it's unlawful for you.
00:59:35.320 But I think that was unwise and an unforced strategic blunder.
00:59:41.540 That's what I would say.
00:59:42.720 Well, it seems like with evangelicals, okay, so if you're Trump and you're the people who get elected and you look out at the polling and you say, okay, evangelicals kind of abandoned us.
00:59:54.720 it was like record low turnout. Are you going to be more or less inclined to say, hey, guys,
01:00:01.080 come over here, let's talk? I think that's kind of obvious versus, hey, we're looking at it and
01:00:07.240 we're saying these guys are willing to hear us out. Yeah, I think there's a fundamental
01:00:11.280 misunderstanding of how people work, right? So for example, all of us pastor. And so if there's
01:00:18.500 somebody that comes into the church, you have a very small minority. So it's like two people
01:00:22.660 that have this theological belief. You know, they hold very, very tightly to this one theological
01:00:30.000 belief. And it's within the realm of orthodoxy, say that. Would it be more strategic for that
01:00:38.060 person to come to one of us and say, hey, what do you know about this thing? I hold this position.
01:00:43.840 Have you ever interacted with this idea? What are your thoughts? Do you see the holes in it?
01:00:47.840 You know, what should I, how should I interact in the body of the church?
01:00:52.180 You know, am I allowed to hold this or you don't want to be divisive?
01:00:55.080 Like, I don't want to be divisive.
01:00:56.460 I just want you to know I'm for you.
01:00:58.580 We can be friends on this, but I'd really like to talk through this and, you know, have
01:01:03.700 a discussion.
01:01:04.740 See if you can, how much have you thought about it?
01:01:07.460 What your thoughts are, you know, versus the person that's like, I'm not going to submit
01:01:11.340 to anyone that does not hold this thing.
01:01:14.700 And you can be very principled about it and you could even be right.
01:01:17.840 That's the thing.
01:01:18.640 But are you going to win them?
01:01:20.360 The answer is no.
01:01:21.340 And so by saying either you play by my rules or I'm not playing at all, what's going to happen is it's worse than politicians will not listen to abolitionists.
01:01:33.520 That will happen, but they'll also be seen as political opponents.
01:01:37.980 And so not only will they not listen to them, but they will be seen as enemies, which is far worse.
01:01:44.960 worse polarizing and attacking is the strategic political maneuver when you have an enemy who
01:01:50.340 has signaled to you clearly they're not going to support you no matter what unless you agree with
01:01:54.740 them on this thing and you actually think whether you're right or wrong about this the calculation
01:01:59.280 on the right was we actually can't win the election if we run really hard on abortion right
01:02:02.860 now because more americans than not are really squishy on abortion and they're they're wrong on
01:02:08.480 it so they were making a purely machiavellian political we've got to win women voters um women 1.00
01:02:14.840 the female vote is fundamentally evil they're going to fundamentally vote for evil things
01:02:19.820 and so trump think about it from a political standpoint he's thinking there's no way we're
01:02:25.420 going to win if we make the drum we beat harder than any other drum not the issue that americans
01:02:30.620 actually right now are most concerned about like the economy like the economy and immigration and
01:02:35.100 things like that instead because those are also issues that are going to permanently enshrine
01:02:39.340 Democrats in power forever. Instead, what we're going to do is focus on this very unpopular issue.
01:02:46.480 Notice that none of what I just said was a moral judgment on that, because abortion is evil. I'm 0.77
01:02:51.320 just saying this is the political calculus. You have to actually just look at what reality is.
01:02:55.860 From a Christian perspective as well, I tweeted something to this effect earlier today as we
01:03:00.540 record. In Psalm 37, one of the great themes of the psalm is not to fret yourselves at evildoers,
01:03:08.400 not to give way to obsessive anger about them, not to give way to fretfulness about them.
01:03:15.600 Yes, I see a man who is an evil man who seems to be set up and spreading like a great laurel tree
01:03:21.060 and he's taking over everything. And Lord, you've said that the meek will inherit the land, 1.00
01:03:25.860 the meek will inherit the earth. Jesus didn't invent that, by the way. It's right out of Psalm 0.99
01:03:29.220 37. So what's happening? And the Lord says, one day you're going to look for them and you're not
01:03:37.060 going to find them. That tree will have fallen over and blown away. You won't discover it.
01:03:41.680 The meek really will inherit the land. And when you look at an issue like abortion, as much as 1.00
01:03:46.560 we hate this, one of the ways that God causes the righteous to inherit the land is by the wicked
01:03:53.780 embracing self-destruction. So the left and the unrighteous today in our land, they've embraced
01:04:01.180 a cult of death on every level, on the abortion issue, on transgenderism, on making themselves
01:04:08.200 chemically infertile and castrating themselves, on putting compounds into our food and our medical 0.98
01:04:12.620 system that make you infertile and destroy your hormone health. They've embraced globalist
01:04:18.020 warmongering, death, death, death, death, death, all the way up and down. Whether you like it or
01:04:22.940 not, one of the ways that God visits judgment on those wicked, such that the righteous inherit 0.79
01:04:29.320 the land is by them killing themselves, cutting off their own progeny, and destroying their 0.85
01:04:34.420 bloodlines.
01:04:35.960 So put this in your playbook, that one of the things that God might do, God might actually
01:04:43.040 do this, is let them succeed in destroying their own bloodlines.
01:04:49.340 And that's horrible.
01:04:50.680 That is dark.
01:04:52.560 But we have to reckon with that we're not, like, God is not a tame lion, right?
01:04:58.200 He's...
01:04:59.320 He's the God who flooded the world and killed every man, woman, and child.
01:05:03.740 God did that. 0.88
01:05:05.360 He's the one who wrote Psalm 109.
01:05:07.720 Go read it.
01:05:08.980 He's the one who did that.
01:05:10.420 He inspired that.
01:05:11.680 So part of our problem is that we often fail to have a stomach for God's judgment.
01:05:18.780 And I think that's a mistake.
01:05:21.220 I think we need to have a stomach.
01:05:21.960 Now, none of what I just said, someone's going to take that and twist it and say, 0.97
01:05:25.620 Brian is for the unrighteous killing their babies. 0.89
01:05:30.760 Brian loves that. 0.99
01:05:31.700 Oh, I don't.
01:05:32.620 The righteous should look on and be saying to them, don't do it.
01:05:36.720 There's freedom in Christ.
01:05:37.680 You can have forgiveness of your sin.
01:05:39.200 You can leave this death cult.
01:05:41.120 You can stop trying to drink at your broken cistern that holds no water.
01:05:44.480 You can have living water from the Lord.
01:05:46.740 You can be the prodigal son that stops eating the pods that the pigs eat.
01:05:51.480 And you can come and have a ring on your finger.
01:05:53.360 and you can have a robe put on you by the father.
01:05:55.600 He's looking over the horizon.
01:05:58.260 Like, we can say all of that.
01:06:00.160 And we have.
01:06:00.960 And we have.
01:06:01.420 For many hours outside of abortion clinics.
01:06:03.780 And then say at the same time,
01:06:06.380 and yet, if you embrace death,
01:06:09.060 death is what you will get.
01:06:10.580 If you appeal to Tash, 0.96
01:06:12.040 Tash is to whom you will go.
01:06:13.940 So if you want to destroy your bloodline,
01:06:16.160 there is a point where God will say your will be done.
01:06:19.240 And that will be a judgment.
01:06:20.840 So these are difficult things.
01:06:22.460 Um, there's not, we, we ought not have, um, like a giddiness over the unrighteous destroying
01:06:29.000 their own children.
01:06:30.060 Um, but it's, it's actually something to factor in to our understanding is, is, is reading
01:06:35.620 God's national judgments as well.
01:06:37.320 Cause God delights one last thing.
01:06:39.240 I know I've been going for a minute, but last thing is that you might say, well, that that's
01:06:43.460 the destruction of our whole nation.
01:06:45.140 Um, but God doesn't sweep away the righteous with the unrighteous.
01:06:48.140 He doesn't do that.
01:06:49.080 In fact, you could read Jim Hamilton's great book, God's Glory and Salvation Through Judgment, where he traces one way of reading the mega theme of Scripture, a biblical theology of the whole of Scripture would be that it is the theme of God getting his glory and saving his people in the very midst of judgments.
01:07:05.860 Like the very waters that flooded the earth carry the ark.
01:07:09.840 The very waters that parted for the people to walk through crashed down and drowned the enemies of the people of God.
01:07:15.920 You could go on and on and on and find instance, the ultimate, of course, being that it is in the very murder of the son of God at the hands of the wicked, by which God destroys the wicked, crushes the head of Satan and delivers his people from the ultimate enemy of sin, death and hell.
01:07:34.380 So we have to learn how to read God's glory and God's judgments and to do our duty well in them while not becoming fretful and anxious and giving way to like hair pulling anxiety.
01:07:47.140 Even when you see the wicked being extremely wicked, it's not fruitful to go there.
01:07:52.560 Well, I think this is actually somewhere where the right can win, because on the one hand, you have, like you said, the party of death and really a culture of death within the left altogether, just cutting their bodies apart.
01:08:05.740 It's the party of depression and suicide. 0.88
01:08:09.320 Transgenderism leads to this infertility, all of that. 0.96
01:08:11.980 And then I think one of the things that's being championed on the right, and this is where the ethos pathos of an Elon Musk is so important, is that what are we championing? 0.83
01:08:22.540 We're championing generational work.
01:08:24.740 We're championing children for all his faults.
01:08:27.960 Like Elon is a fan of like fertility and children, right?
01:08:31.160 You can definitely and we do disagree with some of the ways that he's gone about doing that.
01:08:34.960 Absolutely.
01:08:35.260 We think are wicked and evil.
01:08:36.480 and yet we can also say i think for america there is hope in you know again bringing back natural 0.94
01:08:43.560 families um you can actually not open your borders to the third world you can just shock everyone
01:08:50.060 you can have children the elites don't want you to know this but you can get married and just have
01:08:54.140 like 15 children and raise them in the fear and understanding of the lord build household economies
01:08:58.340 businesses and take over a city the elites don't want you to know this this is an option i have
01:09:02.800 seven kids i've been you know i the ducks are free i have 57 ducks that the at least don't
01:09:07.920 want you to know you can take the ducks home i just i have dan goes all the time and he takes
01:09:12.460 the ducks home this is what dan dan knows this is true and a lot easier at the park by the way
01:09:17.540 but then in the the swamps in the wild but if you if you think about families um the work that
01:09:24.120 we're doing here in ogden um it's fundamentally i think what elon's talking about it's it's
01:09:29.800 an ethos pathos of excitement of building of a hopeful future um and i think dan when you you
01:09:38.400 look at these sorts of things it's so important that we're not blackpilling that we're looking
01:09:43.320 at this as man what an opportunity i mean we've been building for years in ogden but i the election
01:09:48.980 happens i see elon i see what's going on i said if anybody can fix an organization it's elon like
01:09:56.380 you saw what he bought twitter you remember the tweet dan i think you were telling me about this
01:10:01.120 where somebody was like well why don't you just buy twitter and he was like how much is it yeah
01:10:05.440 and then he goes and he buys twitter totally guts it you know you've even got a meme the meme lords
01:10:11.600 are doing great right now oh man um it's elon in the oval office and he's carrying the sink out
01:10:16.340 he's carrying the seat yeah let that sink in because he did that at twitter yes he carried
01:10:21.600 to sink into Twitter headquarters when he bought it. He gutted it of all the leftist nonsense and
01:10:26.440 garbage. Everybody who was like 80% of the people were fired. And let's be real. That 80% was like 0.99
01:10:32.500 white retarded liberal women. Like let's just be honest. Let's be honest about it. No organization 1.00
01:10:39.000 needs 80% white retarded liberal women. No, they do. It doesn't work. So the U S government right 1.00
01:10:44.260 now is, is run by basically three types of people. Um, one of them are people who genuinely love
01:10:50.120 their country, they're competent, they work hard, and they're absolutely frustrated at the bureaucracy,
01:10:54.900 the HR lady-ism. These are the type of men that the Air Force has kicked out that find refuge in
01:10:59.860 our church, that are on staff at New Christian Press and everything. These are men, those type
01:11:04.760 of men in the armed services and in the government. They exist. My dad was there for 40 years in the
01:11:11.020 armed services and the government, working hard, competent man, good leader, loved his people,
01:11:16.740 loves his nation, genuinely wanting to serve the nation. Those people exist. You have HR ladies
01:11:22.660 who just want to niggle for power and destroy everything. And they have, time would fail. 1.00
01:11:31.520 And then there are also armies of drones that are incompetent. They're paper pushers. They get
01:11:36.720 nothing done. They're deadweights on the US government and we pay for all of them. And they
01:11:42.240 have mastered the art of doing as little as possible through bureaucratic manipulation
01:11:47.400 to keep their jobs and make a comfortable living. And the thing that gives me hope is that I actually
01:11:52.840 do believe that if you gave Elon a free hand, he could eliminate a significant portion of those
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01:14:58.660 Well, and if you look at, and this is what I want to ask Dan,
01:15:01.620 if you look at the age of exploration, age of discovery,
01:15:05.680 Portugal is the first nation to kick this off.
01:15:07.580 Very small, under 2 million people.
01:15:10.900 They're building, literally, you can read this.
01:15:13.660 It's for Christendom.
01:15:15.040 They see themselves as a type of crusader.
01:15:17.920 It's largely economic. 0.98
01:15:19.220 they were being strangled by the Muslim hold on trade across the middle of Africa and the 0.55
01:15:25.660 Mediterranean. And so they said, we need to find another route. And so these guys, I mean, 0.95
01:15:30.560 they would send out 300 ships at a time. They might lose 200. And then Henry the Navigator
01:15:36.480 and others would say, but we're going to keep going. We're going to keep charting Africa and
01:15:40.420 we're going to send Vasco da Gama and we are going to find an alternate trade route. And at that time, 0.62
01:15:45.380 even reading the stories were like given the technology they had how did they do that they
01:15:49.900 were setting up these stone statues the furthest they would get so that you could go and find oh
01:15:54.320 there's one of our their statues on the coastland this is how far we've gotten yes they're men
01:15:59.000 jumping off the edge into abyss knowing the odds of death are 40 to 60 percent of from scurvy to
01:16:06.400 shipwrecks to to shipworms eating their ship out from under them i mean this is the voyage of the
01:16:11.300 Don Treader. That's what it is. But it is this spirit that I think Elon understands. And so
01:16:17.400 what does Portugal do? They take all this wild risk for the glory of God, and then Portugal
01:16:23.240 becomes the world's first global empire. And you see what that nation did, and you're like,
01:16:29.360 they've touched so many parts of the world, brought Christ to those parts of the world as well.
01:16:36.040 So Dan, if we're looking at a hopeful golden age, I was long time wondering, like, why does
01:16:41.020 Elon care about Mars and SpaceX and EVs? Like, why is he so, he is an innovator. Like if you
01:16:48.460 read Peter Thiel's zero to one, Elon is an innovator. And I think we need that in our
01:16:53.680 country right now. But do you agree? Why do you think this would be so pivotal to have this
01:16:58.940 ethos pathos of adventure exploration? Yeah. I think one thing that we're noticing as a mega
01:17:05.760 theme is that um those who hate wisdom love death you know going back to what you're talking about
01:17:11.920 the judgment of the of the wicked but then also noticing that there is a uh i don't know if it's
01:17:18.400 natural law or just general equity or whatever of of wisdom that we're noticing in a lot of these
01:17:24.300 competent men that are rising up but the but you nailed it with the the multiplier which is
01:17:29.940 courageous innovation and exploration. Um, people that know how to get things done,
01:17:36.240 the bureaucratic, um, you know, the 30% or more that you described the drones,
01:17:41.760 like those are also the people that were ruling. They just did the minimum that they needed to do
01:17:47.700 to get elected without rocking any, any boats. And then they're in the office, uh, whatever
01:17:53.380 office they're holding, whatever elected office they're holding. And then they have all the side
01:17:57.680 deals to make sure that they've got a cush life and they just push paper you know so you you have
01:18:02.820 the same thing and so men like elon i'm sure are terrifying to those sorts of people men like trump
01:18:10.340 are terrifying to those sorts of people because those are the guys who get things done like the
01:18:15.000 story that that brian read about trump earlier and and all of the odds that he overcame like
01:18:20.060 over leveraging all of his assets and debt economic downturn all of those things and he's like hey we
01:18:25.380 just got to get it done we just got to figure out how to get out of this and he ends up on top same
01:18:30.020 thing with elon there was a story that i had read a long time ago in the beginning of spacex they
01:18:34.940 were trying to figure out this spacex rocket you know trying to get it to go he was running out of
01:18:40.000 money and he needed a fuselage or some part you'll have to look it up online as i'm gonna butcher it
01:18:46.020 but he found it he found an old fuselage on the side of the road in florida outside of nasa and
01:18:52.080 he's like hey that that's exactly what we need and so he bought it for like pennies on the dollar
01:18:57.140 hooks it up into his rocket and that's what they use he just gets stuff done and that's what you
01:19:02.780 need that's i mean portuguese brazilians still speak portuguese because of of that's a long
01:19:10.300 ways away a long time ago yeah and so never underestimate what a determined man can get done
01:19:18.980 and it doesn't take many. Right, Eric? I mean, the population of Portugal is tiny. Yeah. Under
01:19:25.140 2 million. And by the way, because God tells the best stories, he loves the underdog story.
01:19:30.220 He's like, you know what? I'm going to, I'm going to ascend to the right hand of the father,
01:19:34.000 you know, essentially be crowned as King of the cosmos. And I'm going to start my kingdom
01:19:38.460 with 200 people. That's what I'm going to start with and has taken over the world.
01:19:44.740 yeah i mean this kingdom keeps swallowing the earth it's so interesting and we'll talk about 0.56
01:19:50.300 this as a quick teaser for upcoming episode but saint patrick and the irish let's go saved western
01:19:55.700 civilization these like backwoods oh yes i mean roughly my people uh one thing i do want to point
01:20:03.320 out too i just saw this uh it's a couple hours old from elon musk it's a picture of the counties
01:20:08.420 in america which are like 99 red is it the red the red and he said they say red light helps you
01:20:14.480 sleep better. It was so good. Real quick, to the age of exploration, to the courage, it all comes
01:20:21.720 together. We've talked a lot about this, not just on the air, but ourselves in church and
01:20:29.920 leadership of many different things, is that authority flows to those who take responsibility
01:20:35.960 competently. And often you look at the men who do take responsibility competently. They also,
01:20:43.780 a lot of the time they tend to have a maverick streak in them where they want to go and do
01:20:49.000 something nobody's ever done and people love to line up against such men and say you can't do that
01:20:54.740 nobody can do that no that's not the way it's done that's not the received wisdom the in fact
01:20:59.700 you know elon the way that you send a rocket to space is this this this this and this and it's
01:21:04.520 really hard and you're never going to be able to get this thing off the ground and elon goes
01:21:09.120 yeah that's great but what if we just did this instead and then he slashes like 40 percent of
01:21:16.720 the process completely reconfigures the entire thing fails about 50 times almost loses it all
01:21:23.600 risks his personal reputation and a significant portion of his wealth and then it's like they did
01:21:29.500 it those sons they did it they did it they did it and what bothers me and i talked about this
01:21:38.780 our last conference, but this has come to really eat at me, is the failure of competence amongst 0.76
01:21:46.600 Christian culture, the failure to develop elites. Well, you have Christian leaders who are actually 0.99
01:21:53.000 saying that ambition is bad. Why do you have Elon Musk and these guys leading the coalition and
01:21:58.440 doing these great things? And why do we have so few truly competent, glorious Christian men 1.00
01:22:03.980 building great businesses, daring it all, risking it, taking responsibility, seeing 0.97
01:22:08.400 authority and power flow to them. And I just want to say like one of the great projects of
01:22:13.720 this Ogden Borough and New Christendom Press is it's not just about, it's not just about
01:22:19.480 building a church, one church. One church is great. It can change a lot, but it's about building men
01:22:26.180 who will go and be the kind of men that will do things we never would have predicted they could
01:22:30.300 have. Going and building men, it just takes one. It just takes one. If out of our school,
01:22:35.620 over some general, we see a lot of great fruit and competence and glory and normal stuff. And
01:22:40.180 that's great. Love that too. You love all the layers of the hierarchy, but one man goes and
01:22:47.380 starts one business or two businesses or three businesses or starts a movement. And then you
01:22:52.580 start to see the power that that can, the way that can change history, that kind of courage
01:22:58.360 incompetence. And it just fires me up to, to not only continue rejecting the hatred of ambition
01:23:05.780 and the self-loathing embracing of mediocrity as a virtue. Can you imagine telling the apostle Paul
01:23:14.500 that his, that followers of him, uh, it would, would, you know, a couple thousand years later
01:23:20.020 that they would basically be enshrining mediocrity as a virtue. When Paul is like,
01:23:24.800 I beat my body into submission to make it obey the Lord Jesus Christ and, and basically
01:23:30.260 humanly speaking, be one of the most powerful forces for the transformation of the world
01:23:36.580 through the Christian faith, because he gave it all every day of his life.
01:23:39.800 Even to say, as Paul did by the grace of God, but he said, I worked harder than I worked
01:23:43.400 harder than them all.
01:23:44.300 That's an Elon, Paul and Elon, they're kind of cut from the same mold in a lot of ways.
01:23:49.160 And I guess the call to action here, like what we're looking for is be that kind of
01:23:54.300 man. If you're a five-talent man, turn the most profit you can off your five talents. If you're
01:24:01.100 one talent, turn the most profit you can off that one talent. If you're a hundred-talent guy,
01:24:06.380 you had better go and make it. Don't bury that. Don't buy the lie. And the other thing is don't
01:24:14.520 think that just ecclesiastical pursuits are the only meaningful types of pursuits. Go and start
01:24:18.900 businesses. Go and become a great statesman. Go become a great judge. Like, aim high and aim
01:24:24.780 broadly. This is one of the themes in the book Ben and I wrote for Haunted Cosmos is that
01:24:29.220 God made this great, big, interesting, fascinating world. And it's men who take like an autistic 1.00
01:24:36.020 level of obsession with some one aspect of it, like Elon could probably tell you everything 0.69
01:24:42.400 about lithium batteries and figuring out how to optimize them to make his EV empire, you know,
01:24:47.540 whatever it is, and take that level of obsession, like there's glory there that God hid and he meant
01:24:52.860 for it to be searched out, to have that glory of kings who find a thing out. You need a little bit
01:24:57.260 of audacity and a lot of courage. And one example comes to mind, and I don't want this to be
01:25:04.360 self-congratulatory because it's about us, kind of. It's really a lot of this was led by Brian
01:25:09.400 with our school. I think it was really interesting you brought up the school because we had this
01:25:14.340 principle, like we need to educate our kids Christianly. We need to do this really well.
01:25:18.100 It helps produce a culture and a people and an institution that has gravity to keep our kids
01:25:23.400 here. Lots of benefits. But one of the biggest hangups we encountered was like, well, but tuition
01:25:29.300 is so expensive. You remember early on, we were looking at tuition models and we're like, we can't
01:25:33.480 afford to send our own kids to the school that we start. And I don't, I imagine it was you probably
01:25:39.840 at some meeting uh where you you just all of a sudden said like but why can we just not charge
01:25:45.840 tuition at all it's like that's insane you know we tell people that idea still that we members of
01:25:52.500 the church that tithe in good standing they don't pay tuition they get a full scholarship like and
01:25:57.340 we don't accept non-members and we don't accept non-members so i mean that's how that's how we
01:26:01.680 do the school like there's no tuition and when we tell people that i remember um oh dude headmaster
01:26:07.520 love was talking to another local private school headmaster and he told him that idea and this
01:26:12.540 this other other guy is like yeah good luck with that that's not gonna work that's not gonna work
01:26:17.320 how many people have told us that that won't work and i'm like well it's we're four years in it's it
01:26:22.280 does so i'm sorry to disappoint you that we didn't fail but uh it's kind of like elon when people tell
01:26:32.100 him, you can't land the rocket again and reuse it. Are you crazy? He's like, what if I did though? 0.94
01:26:38.560 It's really interesting because you get guys that are more entrepreneurial in their disposition.
01:26:43.340 They, they start seeing opportunities everywhere. I mean, it's, it's crazy. Once you, once that
01:26:50.940 triggers, once you take a risk, once you see an opportunity and you're like, no, I'm going to,
01:26:57.060 I'm going to be courageous and I'm going to go for it. And you actually do that. All of a sudden,
01:27:01.680 this world of opportunity opens before you and you're like, how does no one else see this?
01:27:06.260 It's because legitimately no one else sees it or very few people see it. And those that do see it
01:27:11.740 don't have the courage or the audacity to actually do something about it. And so that's really
01:27:16.700 another thing that's needed within that striving for excellence. It's like, how do you actually be
01:27:22.280 the 10 talent guy or the five talent guy and go out and double your returns? I mean, that's crazy.
01:27:29.520 That's really good returns.
01:27:30.780 I'm sure Joe Garrison would be excited if you doubled your money like that.
01:27:33.920 But I mean, that takes some risk and audacity and just having a mind that sees opportunities.
01:27:40.820 And we do get a lot of emails from guys, especially after the business series where they're like, I want to start a business.
01:27:46.000 What's a good opportunity?
01:27:47.420 I'm like, my guy, I mean, time would fail to tell me, tell you of all the opportunities, but it's irrelevant.
01:27:53.500 You have to see the opportunity.
01:27:55.380 You have to take the risk.
01:27:56.840 You have to know your strengths and weaknesses.
01:27:58.940 you, you have to have the eyes for it. I can't just give you ideas. You have to have them.
01:28:04.040 Yeah. So that's, that's something that should be defining within Christianity is seeing
01:28:10.660 opportunity. We're going to go across the ocean and find another way to India for trade and to
01:28:17.160 circumvent the Muslims so that we can, you know, flank them. You know, that, that's a great idea. 1.00
01:28:22.700 it's audacious and crazy and risky and they did it and size wise you know the other factors
01:28:30.020 looking at the size portugal could have said we're too small to ever accomplish something
01:28:34.360 like this and again to absolutely toot our own horns because i'm all about that i'm just kidding
01:28:40.320 ben i wanted to talk to you about something i'm i'm concerned about you what are you concerned
01:28:48.380 about every time i see you you have more and more indigo sundry products i feel like you're
01:28:54.460 overdoing it dude give me one example dude this is exactly what i'm talking about do you see like
01:28:59.780 where did you even get this from what's the problem with having some soap on hand man we're
01:29:04.480 at work right now there's there's what you don't want to smell good at work there's going to be no
01:29:09.360 situation where you need indigo sundry soap at work uh have you ever gotten sweaty in this basement
01:29:13.700 Dude, yes. Every time we're filming, I look at you and I go, he's so handsome.
01:29:19.820 Well, then you're going to need some soap so that you don't smell as bad.
01:29:25.260 Do you see what's happening to you? Like, how are you even?
01:29:28.760 Are there fair? Do you have fairies that give you this? 1.00
01:29:31.660 What are you talking about? 1.00
01:29:33.440 Have you partnered with the Fae?
01:29:34.760 No, I'm a stone cold Christian who likes soap.
01:29:39.000 Dude, I feel like.
01:29:41.080 Is that Calendal?
01:29:42.360 Oh, not so mad about it now, are you?
01:29:45.100 They make liquid soda?
01:29:46.140 Yeah, you didn't know that?
01:29:47.440 Dude, I didn't know that.
01:29:48.180 Well, obviously, they're a sponsor of the show.
01:29:51.000 You should know that.
01:29:51.680 I have duties and responsibilities.
01:29:53.420 Not all of us can just be Indigo Sundry Maxing all the time.
01:29:56.200 Okay, well, since you didn't know that, I'm assuming you also didn't know
01:29:59.260 that if you use their subscription plan, you'll get 10% off of your work.
01:30:03.300 10% off?
01:30:04.480 10% off?
01:30:05.140 Of their already great prices?
01:30:06.900 I'm telling you.
01:30:07.800 Are you kidding me?
01:30:12.060 but i think one of the things was okay you see a problem the christian version of legacy media 0.97
01:30:21.640 sucks i'm sick and tired of the gospel coalition these people running the show and controlling the 0.80
01:30:28.020 narrative and so what what do we do do we just say well that's too bad i hope somebody does 0.87
01:30:33.080 something or you say in this amazing pristine semi-moldy sometimes semi-flooded sometimes
01:30:41.120 basement of the church never the right temperature never the right temperature there's not hvac in
01:30:46.080 the offices but we're going to start a media company and did we do we did that in that basement
01:30:53.120 in that this basement actually this one yes this one the one you described but and what my hope is
01:30:59.500 with it honestly is to inspire other people that you know just like elon i remember thinking when
01:31:05.820 he said i'm going to buy twitter and we're going to change it i was like you can't just buy twitter
01:31:10.220 And Elon was like, yeah, I think you can just buy Twitter.
01:31:12.420 I can.
01:31:13.340 I can just do that thing to inspire people to build in other places.
01:31:17.240 But I think there's also people who are listening to the show.
01:31:19.920 There's people who have moved here and there's people who are going to move here.
01:31:22.660 And so to those people, I would just want to say, if you're a builder, if you're that guy, like we want you, we want to talk to you.
01:31:29.980 And we have a call for you.
01:31:31.500 And it goes something like this, Dan.
01:31:32.960 Men Wanted for Hazardous Journey, Low Wages, Bitter Cold, Long Hours of Complete Darkness, Safe Return Doubtful, Honor and Recognition in Event of Success.
01:31:45.060 Like, men want those kind of calls, and we want to call you to that work.
01:31:48.960 Yeah, you guys should read the book Endurance, the William Shackleton.
01:31:52.380 It's amazing.
01:31:53.180 I thought Eric just came up with that just now.
01:31:55.500 I did.
01:31:56.500 You did?
01:31:57.280 It's amazing.
01:31:57.900 I did.
01:31:58.320 That's really good.
01:31:58.940 And tons of glory. I think that's the other thing that if you look around, what do you see in the young men? If we're talking about speaking to men on the Christian right, there's malaise. They don't have a mission. They don't know what their life is for. And so breathing that life from scripture and from reading the book of nature into these guys, inspiring them with stories.
01:32:18.000 Look, this is the thing that drives me crazy is you get all these Christian leaders who are like pietists and, you know, the purity spiraling. 0.87
01:32:25.140 And they're like, oh, Donald Trump, he's not perfect, blah, blah, blah. 0.90
01:32:27.720 And I'm looking at all of this and I'm like, this is a great man.
01:32:31.300 I mean, by all accounts, he's not perfect, but by all accounts, he is a great man.
01:32:36.040 He has accomplished more in my lifetime than I thought any man could do.
01:32:40.260 And now you've got other great men around him.
01:32:42.480 And I think for Christians, instead of purity spiraling, this should inspire you, right?
01:32:47.400 This should be an inspirational story that gets you fired up and you say, you know what?
01:32:52.200 Maybe I can't change everything in the world, but what is, Jordan Peterson, I always go
01:32:57.360 back to this.
01:32:58.420 He said, the first place to start is look around you in your world.
01:33:01.960 You might be a waiter at a restaurant and you say, where is responsibility being abdicated
01:33:06.720 and where could I take responsibility where no one else will?
01:33:10.440 And you start there and you start seeing what Brian said, where authority just starts flowing
01:33:15.360 And you're like, well, the more I have authority,
01:33:17.180 the more I have power to change this bad circumstance.
01:33:20.020 You'll be the right-hand man of that restaurant
01:33:21.880 if you do that competently.
01:33:23.600 You'll be the right-hand man of that business
01:33:25.560 and organization if you do that competently.
01:33:27.600 If it's a good one, if it's a restaurant or a business
01:33:30.280 or a church or a place worth being,
01:33:32.440 and you take a responsibility like that competently,
01:33:35.300 not only will you succeed in your current role,
01:33:37.720 you will stand before kings.
01:33:39.460 Yes.
01:33:40.080 You'll stand before kings.
01:33:41.020 Even if you're not brilliant or a genius
01:33:42.880 or the best at everything or omnicompetent or a renaissance man, if you do that to the
01:33:47.440 best of your ability with what God has put before you and in your hand, because here's
01:33:50.740 the thing, God tailor made the things in front of you for the strengths that he put in front
01:33:55.960 of your hand, because he doesn't, he doesn't, he always gives us an opportunity to be what
01:34:01.780 we were supposed to be.
01:34:03.320 If he called you and put you in a place, trust me, and he gave you the vocations and duties
01:34:08.040 and commands he did, there is opportunity to obey all of those commands somewhere in
01:34:12.680 your life. Yeah. And one of the things that you have to protect yourself against is that when you
01:34:17.840 see somebody else building, somebody else taking responsibility, somebody else succeeding is to not
01:34:24.540 envy them to the point where you become bitter at them and divide. You start making excuses.
01:34:30.440 Yeah. You start making excuses. They just had better opportunities. Right. Exactly. Yeah. I mean,
01:34:33.980 we all have personal temptations that, I mean, I look at Brian and he sings or he preaches or
01:34:38.500 whatever i'm like well of course i mean like the guy's got so much natural talent i mean he's so
01:34:43.100 much farther ahead you know he's french he's better looking i mean he's got all of his hair
01:34:48.200 and so the temptation is to say well brian has it easy i hate brian you know instead of saying
01:34:57.680 i'm a very hateable guy hey let's be honest i'm super i'm super happy for brian and i'm glad he's
01:35:02.740 on my team and that's the disposition we should have towards everyone else so when we see other
01:35:06.960 media companies having success, you know what our attitude is? This is, this is a secret because
01:35:12.220 you can also do this. God made a world where you can say, I'm glad for those brothers. I pray for
01:35:17.380 their success. I'm glad I'm on their team. Yep. That's what you can do. When you see other men
01:35:22.780 succeed, you should celebrate their success and not hate them for it. And so in your midst of
01:35:28.920 looking at opportunities, there are going to be people that are ahead of you. And then remember
01:35:32.380 that there are also people that are going to be behind you. And so don't despise humble beginnings.
01:35:37.020 Don't despise younger men that have ambition. In fact, here's a novel idea. You should help them
01:35:43.900 and mentor them and take them under your wing and show them, here's what I've learned, you know,
01:35:49.740 and here's some pitfalls and mistakes to avoid and help them build too. And maybe just maybe
01:35:56.080 you will find that you have a lot of friends and you build your own coalitions and you can actually
01:36:01.500 move more than, than you could alone. Yep. Yeah. I think it's really important to remember,
01:36:06.760 and this would be an encouragement for, especially for older pastors, platform leaders,
01:36:11.720 older guys in the, you know, different versions of conservative movements. But Proverbs 20, 29
01:36:17.640 says the glory of young men is their strength, but the splendor of old men is their gray hair.
01:36:22.880 Just to point back to this for, you know, as we wrap things up and close, Donald Trump could have 0.73
01:36:27.980 said, man, these guys on the right, what's their problem? They seem really like gung-ho. I'm going
01:36:33.440 to try and geld them. But he didn't do that. He said, I think there's something going on here.
01:36:38.940 And again, to the proverb, we need multi-generational work together. You need
01:36:44.720 young men with strength working with the old guy who says, hey, I've got some wisdom. Let me help
01:36:49.740 put some reins on this. Yeah. Trump is like, I better develop some better dance moves. I'm going
01:36:55.200 to introduce a golf swing into my dance moves and baron is going to take over as my mean lord
01:36:59.540 where's bryson bryson to shambo up here i know he's here get him on the stage is he hitting
01:37:04.820 balls right now i think he's hitting balls we're gonna get him we're gonna get him he's coming
01:37:08.720 he's coming he like sheepishly walks on the stage i was like i'm not prepared for this
01:37:13.220 give him a few words bryson what do you have to say to the people telling everybody to get up
01:37:17.840 there can you imagine like being bryson he's like i'm a golfer he's standing on like the biggest
01:37:22.960 platform literally in the entire world i also think this with trump at that this is the his
01:37:28.560 victory speech one thing that i noted was he was not self-congratulatory yeah i think the events
01:37:35.680 that have happened to him have genuinely humbled him they've caused him to rely on other people
01:37:40.240 and he really was that night about you know dana white get up here and you know jd come up here i
01:37:45.760 want you willing to share the microphone yes i mean that's a lesson that we could all learn
01:37:49.200 probably it was not um you know just tooting the own horn yeah i don't know why you guys
01:37:55.640 like as i'm talking dan's like yeah we could share the mic
01:37:59.920 i thought it was more subtle than that but maybe no dude yeah it's good to have lots of
01:38:06.200 competent guys uh dan i do want to give you the microphone due to my great humility um to close
01:38:12.080 us out with a charge. So I think this is like building, inspiring people. Some of you come to
01:38:19.360 Ogden. There's a lot of things you could say, but I'm giving you the honors of charging us.
01:38:25.520 Thank you so much. Here's what I'd say. Men of the West, the time is now to build what was taken
01:38:34.160 from us, what was destroyed, and to build something that's even better. And so right now, there are a
01:38:40.140 few things that you need to do. First, you need to repent. Repent of all of the sins that are
01:38:45.000 holding you back. Repent of our folly. Repent of our lackadaisical attitude or a slothfulness
01:38:51.480 towards all of the difficulties that we've encountered. Instead of actually fighting
01:38:57.180 through them, we've decided that we were going to retreat. And now is not the time to retreat.
01:39:02.300 Now is the time to press forward. And the first step is repentance. Get your life in order.
01:39:06.640 get your family in order and in in integrate yourself into a good community where you can
01:39:12.500 actually build together uh the second thing is be men who take risks because without anything risk
01:39:19.560 nothing is earned and so now is the time to look for opportunities and to take risks measured risks
01:39:25.500 and thirdly i want you to find competent men to surround yourselves with particularly older men
01:39:31.340 who have fought the battles that you're looking at right now they fought them well and with
01:39:36.480 wisdom. And those men should be able to help you in your mission to take risk, to take dominion,
01:39:42.840 and to take this country for the Lord Jesus Christ. And the other thing is, if you want to
01:39:48.500 hear more about that, I think we'll be releasing something soon about our conference in 2025
01:39:54.500 that will be along those lines and along those themes. And so be looking for more information
01:40:00.100 about that. Amen. Best in Alente.
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