00:06:47.580One of the things that – in the last episode, we talked about fertility, and one of the marks of Gondor was that they had these high halls and these high towers and they had no children.
00:07:01.680I've often heard other people say if you have children, that really is a vested interest, placing hope in the future.
00:07:08.340They spent more time thinking about the roles of their dead ancestors and forefathers than they did about their living children.
00:07:17.140is one of the things that Tolkien, I mean, to paraphrase, puts in that scene.
00:07:20.980And a big part of it, it seems like, as our kind of resident expert Tolkien guy,
00:07:27.200Ben's here too, but he doesn't have a mic, so, you know, you win out.
00:07:31.560My question to you is, do you think Tolkien understood something about this,
00:07:35.720the problem with this metanarrative of decline that so many people embrace?
00:07:39.900Was that what happened in Gondor, do you think?
00:07:42.900Was that people just, they just embraced that things were always going to get worse and worse?
00:07:46.420Yeah, I think they did. And it was because part of the image that Tolkien weaves into this scene is that you have the white city and it's looking out east towards Mordor. And it is the bulwark against the expansion of Mordor.
00:08:03.280and the as long as they stayed true and it's the blood of Numenor ran true and they were you know
00:08:09.580brave men of the west they stood their ground but what happens is that the enemy he doesn't first
00:08:15.600invade their walls he first invades their hearts and he does it through their head he does it
00:08:21.040through the steward of Gondor Denethor through the palantir as he looks into this uh palantir
00:08:27.040which is an art higher than him and so dangerous for him to wield is how Tolkien looks it and for
00:08:32.980For people who don't like – it's like foresight basically.
00:08:36.360The seeing stones would be set up around the kingdom and they were very ancient, created by ancient powers.
00:08:44.040And basically they would give you sight to the different stones and also you could – if you had the strength of will, you could control them and see things far off.
00:08:54.140So a Palantir is basically like an iPhone.
00:17:06.160They don't know that that's going to happen at all.
00:17:07.700In fact, all of their military surveillance, all of their, what's the word, their evidence, their intelligence is telling them that there's another fleet that's going to come out of the east with even more people.
00:17:20.720So even if they were to defeat every single orc on the field in front of them, which is like five to one again, then they know that there's another enormous army bigger than them that's going to show up sometime that day, the next day, whatever.
00:17:34.880And even if they don't, like as the story progresses, you find out even if they beat that army, there's another army in Mordor that's ready.
00:17:42.000I mean, Sauron is just – he has like three successive possibilities of destroying the world of men, and that's what it is.
00:17:49.900he's bent on destroying the world of men, not just conquering them, but completely ending
00:17:57.920their existence. And in the face of that, Theoden says, essentially, arise, riders of Theoden,
00:18:07.580fell deeds awake, fire and slaughter, spear shall be shaken, shield shall be splintered,
00:18:12.780A sword day, a red day, ere the sun rises, ride now, ride now, ride to Gondor.
00:18:20.480And it's this picture, the way that it hits me is that it preaches something that's really throughout the book, the whole series that Tolkien really gets.
00:18:31.220And it's that for a man, losing and death is not the end if he die bravely.
00:18:41.420And ultimately the hope that's there, and Gandalf points to this as well in a similar scene or a related scene, is the hope of resurrection.
00:18:51.240So he's teaching his children, even when it's not a rose-colored glasses speech, he doesn't say like, we're now going to 100% win, don't even worry, like your wife at home, she doesn't even know to worry.
00:19:03.720No, he's like sending them, and they all know this, into their death in their mind, barring almost supernatural intervention.
00:19:13.060And yet, because of what I would see as the hope of resurrection, he knows that if you win glory in the right cause, even if you go and you completely fail, that that's not a black pill.
00:19:24.120That's a white pill because ultimately, goodness, truth, and beauty will win in the end.
00:19:30.180Well, it's interesting, too. Reading Michael Walsh, his book Last Stands, he has this really interesting statement. He says a historical observation. He said cultures that go down fighting tend to rise again from the ashes.
00:19:45.100But if they surrender and just give up, they don't like it's done because it shows in this in the foundation of their cultural spirit that they have already.
00:19:53.600Again, the loss happened in their soul well before it happened on the battlefield.
00:19:57.760Well, Eric, that's similar to a conversation we had this morning about Churchill and the Boer Wars.
00:20:13.520And he said the most – this was later in life he's reflecting.
00:20:16.540He said the most terrifying scene in my life was the Boers coming on our – they were surrounding the train and attacking the train full speed on horseback.
00:20:24.240and they're singing psalms as loud as they can.
00:21:41.680If you think about all of our personal experiences, having some sort of dispensational influence on our Christian lives, especially when we were younger,
00:21:50.200you get this narrative that, you know, Satan is in control of everything still, and we're still
00:21:57.660waiting for that escape from this world. Well, that's in fact, one of the ten is I was listening
00:22:03.140to John MacArthur's sermon on the dispensationalist, but he said, Satan is ruling here over this
00:22:09.460kingdom. This is his kingdom. So that's actually consistent with the theological position of what
00:22:13.920you're saying. Yeah, that's correct. And I mean, just to back up for a moment, the reason why we're
00:22:18.760convinced of post-millennialism as the scriptures, not because it's just, oh, well, this is
00:22:23.940optimistic. We needed hope. I'm generally an optimistic guy, so I'm attracted to it.
00:22:29.320That's actually not true. That's actually not true. So you have this myth of decline and that
00:22:35.700everything is going to hell in a handbasket, and you're just waiting for this deus ex machina
00:22:42.960sort of event of the rapture so that you can just get out of here. I know we've joked about this,
00:22:48.760privately. I don't know about on the podcast, but you know, when I was in school, it'd be like in
00:22:54.800high school and I didn't do my homework or I'm going to just bomb a test. And I'm like, Lord
00:22:59.000Jesus, please rapture me now. Like, just get me out of here, you know? And I don't want to face
00:23:04.940the consequences. So when you're introduced to this eschatological position of post-millennialism
00:23:11.840and you start reading through the scriptures and you're like, wait a minute, this myth of decline
00:23:18.120is a myth. The decline is not inevitable. In fact, it seems like the entire world will worship
00:23:25.720Christ. And that means we win. Yeah. Well, it definitely gives you a different perspective
00:23:32.100on life. And we've done previous episodes on post-millennialism and then this optimistic,
00:23:38.260you guys are looking like you want to jump in. Well, I was just going to say it's important.
00:23:41.980It's, it's, it's important to note that you can actually look at almost every culture, you know, culture and period where there's like, you know, say the Roman empire at different stages, almost every period of history, the contemporary people in that, in that period tend to believe that they are in a moment of decline from some previous peak.
00:24:04.240it's really interesting like you see this like generation after generation in the roman empire
00:24:09.900everyone's always saying like if only we could get back to that the day back in cicero's day and
00:24:14.240then like you know they're in the first century if only we could get back and then in the 300s if
00:24:18.140only we could get back to the first century and then in the 400s if only we get back to the
00:24:21.120second century we have a tendency as human beings i think to do this it's like the uncle rico
00:24:27.220syndrome expand the uncle rico syndrome you know like the good old days the good old days are always
00:24:33.080in the past yeah exactly this is a napoleon dynamite reference uncle rico if i would if they
00:24:37.720would have put me in a quarterback we would have won state yeah you're right though it is this
00:24:42.660there is something in the human psyche that does tend to read the narrative of wherever they're at
00:24:51.240in history as being at this point of decline and and i'm not saying that people are like well what
00:24:56.840if you actually are because sometimes you are i actually do think now i'm gonna say and i also
00:25:01.440And one of those people, I do think we're in a period of obvious decline culturally in America, and we can trace this to apostasy and many of the things we've talked about.
00:25:09.700But I say all of that just to make sure that you don't then superimpose your moment here in this little blip of the story God's writing in this little country that's ultimately not that old, all this, and then superimpose that narrative and say, because of inflation in 2023, all of history is in decline.
00:25:27.620And, you know, abandon your posts, like Theoden in the movie when he's he's yelling at everybody.
00:25:32.800And then Gandalf waxed him with a stick.
00:26:40.620Every culture, every time, to Brian's point, there is a whole host of chicken littles.
00:26:45.100You're always going to have those people.
00:26:46.580Even in the height, the greatest heyday, you know, you're going to have people who are like, you have this in a church, in a family, and sometimes the only thing a certain personality can see is all of the problems.
00:26:58.460And they're like, well, you should have done this different.
00:27:11.440And I think we'll talk about ways not to do this as well.
00:27:14.060But I'll kick off with maybe one and then ask your opinion.
00:27:18.300I think one – I grew up in white, suburban, conservative America.
00:27:23.660I think one of the biggest ones is media consumption related to the conservative movement.
00:27:29.280So I grew up with just all the men around me that were like my father's age, constant consumption of Rush Limbaugh, constant consumption of Mark Levin.
00:27:39.220And in fundamentally content that was like we're losing, you know, I think it was Sam Francis.
00:27:45.300He called the conservative movement the beautiful losers.
00:28:28.840And so, yes, we're conserving things, we're defending things,
00:28:32.340but what can often happen is that liberalism is cast
00:28:35.440as a positive vision where they're marching towards progress progressivism and conservatives
00:28:41.820are always kind of like holding the coach back and we need to kind of flip the narrative in many
00:28:46.940ways for our children and in our own hearts to say well no no we're actually going to be the
00:28:53.060ones who are progressing we're going to drive the huns out well i i think you're absolutely right i
00:28:58.660think that what a lot of people like sam francis pat buchanan paleo con movement what they started
00:29:04.140to realize about conservatism and the rot that was within was that the left was fundamentally
00:29:09.740like you're talking about progressives they're fundamentally post-millennial they have a utopian
00:29:14.600positive vision for the future they really are fighting the culture war to win and most
00:29:18.980conservatives were losing because they were saying i'm just trying to conserve whatever
00:29:23.040the leftist victory from yesterday was which ends up not being that much all that to say
00:29:28.980at the very blue collar level guys are consuming people who are continually chicken littling it
00:29:34.760to death yeah and so when when you're constantly listening to rush limbaugh talk about how awful
00:29:40.020the liberals are and how much the conservatives suck and and that's all you hear you don't walk
00:29:46.200away being like build fight win you walk away being discouraged and disheartened and angry
00:29:52.120and angry and then a lot of times people get entrapped in these false flag things because
00:29:56.480they're easily manipulatable okay so i think dan conservatism has not really been actually brian's
00:30:04.060raising his hands well i was just gonna say this point to your point anger is a is an emotion it's
00:30:08.920easy to manipulate joy is not interesting can you that i mean i just think that that's there's a
00:30:14.340reason that people always push back when i tweet about this about righteous anger and unrighteous
00:30:18.880anger and and how the scriptures warn us like james is so clear the anger of man does not
00:30:23.260produce the righteousness God requires. Okay, deal with that verse. I think one of the things it
00:30:27.560means is that even though there is such thing as righteous anger, where someone can paint in black
00:30:31.980colors the evil deeds that are being done and provoke righteous anger in you. They're killing
00:30:37.920babies. They're cutting the penises off of little boys. They're chemically castrating. You do all of
00:30:43.840that. But the thing that conservatives and Christians need to remember is that anger is
00:30:48.880not a safe emotion to sit in. It has to be quickly turned to righteous action and joyful
00:30:56.420righteous action fighting for joy, or it will curdle into bitterness or other things that are
00:31:03.100destructive to the human soul. So even though there is such thing as righteous anger, even
00:31:08.720righteous anger is supposed to motivate us to aim for the joy of righteousness and joy in the Lord
00:31:16.120and for righteous deeds not mere complaining and stewing in bitter anger it doesn't do anything
00:31:25.480righteous anger should lead to justice that's what it's supposed to do to justice and it puts
00:31:29.480an end to the wicked deeds and then there's joy well and i i think the perfect he's kind of like
00:31:34.740the in between i guess between all the characters in lord of the rings is gandalf so also in the
00:31:42.480return of the king brian you remember the scene is he with pippin and they talk about the joy in
00:31:47.560his face yeah he has he could like the battles raging and it's like everybody in gondor is like
00:31:54.680we're all gonna die and i think i've said this before but gandalf in the story again this is
00:31:59.900not portrayed well in the movies gandalf has naria one of the three elven rings of power and naria is
00:32:05.140the ring that puts hope in the hearts of men yes so gandalf is a character fundamentally of hope
00:32:11.280He doesn't win rings. I need one of them ranks. He doesn't conquer by the power of his magic. He doesn't conquer by the power of his sword. Gandalf conquers by ordering the kingdoms of men around hope. That's what he does.
00:32:26.820So a big part of this, and I would say this to fathers, like, again, very blue collar, very practical, people consume a lot of our content. I think more and more on the rise, you have podcasts and stuff like that, because guys are working jobs are listening to stuff. So what I would say to you guys, as fathers, you are going to be either the Denethor or the Gandalf in your house.
00:32:45.180Yes. You are going to be the guy that either spreads joy and hope or dismay. And so that is going to come back to what are you consuming? Who are you listening to all the time? I know for me, coming out of the conservative movement and, you know, reading that stuff all the time, nonstop, only thing I consume. I remember hearing Doug Wilson say things like, oh, there's never been a better time to be alive. Look at all the things you have. Be joyful. Let's go fight. And I remember thinking, I don't even know what to do with this.
00:33:15.180The whole, it's so important for fathers to be able to say to their children, as Doug has recently said, remember Acts 17, guys, that God has appointed the times and the boundaries of our lives.
00:33:28.320So what that means is that your children, when you look out at the landscape of battles before them, economic, sexual, cultural, religious, all these battles before them, God chose them to live in this time.
00:33:42.540those dragons have their names on them.
00:33:45.840So when I think about the future in the battles,
00:33:47.640I need as a father to think Ari and Ira and Cyril and Alfred and Daphne and Winifred
00:33:53.680playing those roles as sons and daughters do in complementary ways.
00:34:06.820I'm so sorry, kids, that, you know, it's going to be really tough for you.
00:34:10.480And if only you'd been born in the boomer generation, if only you could have been a boomer, then you could have had a house and you could have like, no, no, no.
00:34:16.740Like you guys are going to be the ones that go out and God gave you these dragons.
00:34:52.280I didn't realize what was actually happening.
00:34:54.580And now we're – since 2020 in this great unveiling, the apocalypse of our time, you actually see like, whoa, the battle lines are right there.
00:35:04.180I do want to say, as far as media goes, for younger kids, two of my favorite books to read to my boys, and they absolutely love this.
00:35:12.720So my little now three-year-old boy, for his birthday, he wanted a St. George and the Dragon birthday cake because his favorite book is St. George and the Dragon.
00:35:22.020And it's a retelling by Margaret Hodges.
00:41:23.860Until they were facing battle and they had to make the hard decisions and they had to choose.
00:41:29.320One of the great things with Alfred at the Battle of Ashdown, they're in the shield wall.
00:41:33.640They only have half of their army, and they're facing the whole host of the Viking army invading their homeland.
00:41:39.580And the thing that's really important to recognize is that with a shield wall, there's usually 10 units deep that have to fill in the shield wall.
00:43:02.340Yeah, so you feed the kids the right stories, and then they have a foundation in which to draw from.
00:43:07.080When you say, like, there's a challenge out there, and it's an opportunity for you to win, they're like, they've got this narrative that's been built into them.
00:43:15.540It's part of their bones that they know that there's opportunity out there to win glory.
00:43:19.980But on the other hand, if all you've consumed yourself and all they have consumed is you're fussing about your myth of decline sort of modern news media stuff, then when they see a challenge, they're going to shrink back because there's no way to win.
00:43:39.580And we are – like part of this comes in the human psyche and soul from the reality in our story that we are sons of Adam and daughters of Eve.
00:43:48.660We come from a father and a mother who fell from Eden, who fell from perfection.
00:43:55.600And so the human soul longs to return to perfection and glory.
00:44:03.500But what we're missing often is that we can tell our children all about the decline and we can fail to teach them the St. Brandon the Navigator, St. Brandon the Voyager heart of now go quest for Eden's shores.
00:44:17.620Now, we're on our way to something better than Eden.
00:44:21.020We're on our way to something, not just man innocent, but man glorified.
00:45:12.760Yeah, and I think a big part of it too, as we unpack some more categories in which people could be potentially blackpilled, it seems like one of the keys here is not just seeing how things are out there, but you'll protect yourself from being blackpilled if you actually go and build and start doing things to solve problems.
00:45:32.760problems. So one of the things that I liked about Ogden originally was things like St.
00:45:39.240Brennan's. You weren't just complaining about the public school system. You were saying,
00:45:43.260we're going to do something about this. And it's going to be really hard. So that would be an area,
00:45:48.780I think, public education. You look at it and you say, what a mess. But again, and we've talked
00:45:54.100about it in other shows, you could go start a school. There's a lot that you could do.
00:45:57.640Well, so just to comment on that. So I remember watching a survival show, I think it was Les Stroud or something like that. And he said, psychologically, what you have to do is every day you have to improve your situation just a little bit.
00:47:47.900So I think making progress, even if it's an inch, even if it means making your bed in the morning, that will also – you'll start getting progress in your own life, and then you can be a more optimistic, positive people for those around you.
00:48:17.140I know what my mortgage is. I know I can look at data and I can say, you know, in 1994, if I made
00:48:24.60060K a year, that's the equivalent of $225,000 today. That's a pretty black pill thing if you
00:48:31.360want to go down that road. But what we've done instead is say, yep, that sucks. I mean, spending
00:48:37.500my emotional capacity on those things is like worthless. I can't change that. I'm not like
00:48:43.240the Fed. I can't go back in time. I can't undo all the Ukraine spending. I have no control over
00:48:48.620that. What I can do is start working on solutions. Even if they seem like they're a drop in the
00:48:54.600ocean of what's going on in the world, it's still an act of faith. God seems to bless this.
00:48:59.780Dan, talk to me about economics. How do you encourage fathers in this moment not to be
00:49:05.980black-billed economically? Yeah. I mean, you listen to the Anthony Oliver song,
00:49:10.200richmond north of richmond yeah and it rings true and it's it's i like the song strikes okay it
00:49:15.900strikes a nerve the important thing is to then adopt uh it's it's a investor's mantra i guess
00:49:23.020and that's there's always opportunity there's always opportunity out there and there's people
00:49:28.120who got rich in the depression yes yes and so you don't have to be uh just stuck in this cycle of
00:49:34.860like well i guess there's nothing i can do about it i'm just going to complain about every time i
00:49:38.900go grocery shopping or go to the gas pump. And because it actually does hurt. I mean, it hurts
00:49:44.220a lot. And so I sympathize with that. I can relate, but there's always opportunity and there's always
00:49:50.020opportunity, especially if you dot the mindset of I'm going to improve my situation each day.
00:49:54.040So if, if economically you're feeling the pain of this moment in our, in our history,
00:50:01.300you should do something about that. Just, just one small thing. And the, the temptation, I think,
00:50:08.400especially economically more so than any other category is looking for the quick cheap fix the
00:50:14.940get rich quick sort of thing it's it's one of the few categories that we actually do that in
00:50:19.760to where you're like i'm just going to see how little i can invest to get the maximum amount of
00:50:24.740return and it's really easy to get suckered into some sort of scam so i would just say that with
00:50:30.580you know a note of caution but but that being said look at uh the proverbs as it talks about
00:50:36.700like wealth gain slowly is easily kept uh wealth wealth gain quickly is easily lost and so take
00:50:43.560uh a time and money equation and look at the opportunities out there and there's there's some
00:50:48.920i would also say along with what eric said about networking that you should also network because
00:50:54.040some of the best things that you can do is just look at what you need locally in your own community
00:50:58.400and then say like well i mean i think i could solve that that issue it seems like people are
00:51:03.580really having a hard time finding like competent lawn care people or a competent contractor that
00:51:08.420can install fences or, or whatever it is. Uh, yeah. I mean, there's lots of opportunities in
00:51:13.420the trades, but there could be other things too. Like you could do contract work in which, you
00:51:17.960know, in the, in the field that you're already in and start your own business doing that. I mean,
00:51:22.780the opportunities honestly are endless. I think the key there with networking, I was thinking
00:51:28.020of this last night, we had Psalm Singh and, uh, my, my base section, by the way, was holding it
00:51:32.740down you know what i gotta give you guys credit you were almost as good as a tenor so it was very
00:51:37.300no that's really good no that's not what that is such a high compliment that i could pay you
00:51:41.180i mean wow uh but it was interesting you think about bases they sing low tenors are higher
00:51:46.420so like b a like you know hundred dollars two hundred dollars but go on sorry i didn't follow
00:51:53.940i'll fight you in the parking lot but but it was interesting uh so we have the meal and we're just
00:51:59.520talking to a bunch of different guys, asking them, you know, how was your week? What are you working
00:52:02.940on? I'm blown away at our church by the per capita number of guys who are like, oh yeah,
00:52:09.760I'm a software this or that, but, um, I get my, I can get my work done in like two hours.
00:52:15.940So I started this business on the side cause I saw a need as per Dan's thing. Like I saw a need.
00:52:22.040Yeah. Turns out you can make a lot of money doing it. Like there's just guys that it's good for you
00:52:27.240to be around like if you're a young guy especially and you're saying i don't know economically what i
00:52:32.020could do first of all if you come to a place like ogden you can probably work for one of these guys
00:52:36.540and learn a heck of a lot you know but for me even for me and and when we have business issues and
00:52:42.760we're like what do i do about this really confusing thing in my business i'll talk to kevin love or
00:52:47.880i'll talk to one of the other guys here who are super successful and they're like oh that's simple
00:52:52.080i dealt with that 10 years ago here's what you here's the book read this do this blah blah blah
00:52:56.020and you have a path forward so it really is helpful like having other optimistic guys who
00:53:04.000are doing stuff and making progress the other side of the equation would be when i was working
00:53:10.260in corporate america and all my colleagues and friends are w2 mindset guys and i'd be like yeah
00:53:16.540i'm thinking of starting a business i don't know it seems kind of risky what about your 401k what
00:53:21.100about health care benefits what about that but like they're always trying to talk you out of it
00:53:24.940yeah whereas like people at our church now are just like full send bro just gonna send it and
00:53:31.220you're like i don't actually know if everything just quit your job hey guys by the way not
00:53:35.580everything is full like when you're at a red light and you're gonna be late to school to get your
00:53:42.080kids to school that day and there's traffic passing at 50 miles an hour full send isn't the
00:53:45.980right answer oh it wasn't well i thought you were gonna say that was wait for the green light
00:53:49.420then full send actually protecting against the w2 mindset for the sake of your children is really
00:53:54.460really important because you're training them how to view work. And so the standard W-2 mindset,
00:53:59.820maybe you could walk us through that, Eric. What is a standard W-2 mindset?
00:54:02.800Yeah. I think fundamentally, like you're going to work for a set number of hours and you're
00:54:06.640getting paid for the time being there. There's a lot that goes to it. That's kind of, I would say
00:54:11.820hard to describe, but basically like you're on the plantation working for them. You tend to not
00:54:17.680think of things as an owner. Yeah. Your days are typically filled with low value work.
00:54:22.060Yeah, you're a day laborer fundamentally. And I think when I talk about helping guys get out of that, even if you're going to remain working there, which I did for like 10 plus years, you can still change your mindset. You know, and this gets into like side hustles and all these other stuff. I think it's so important, though, for optimism, because if a guy feels like, you know, what was the old song, the old country song? Like my grandpa used to listen to it. I owe my soul to the company store, the coal mining.
00:54:48.920oh yeah yeah because they they just kept work like the company would pay them money and then
00:54:54.880they would charge them for everything like rent you stay in this little shack and then the company
00:54:59.880store everything's marked up and you you get to the next paycheck you're like how much money i
00:55:03.660have and they said we have negative 25 yeah so this is uh tennessee ernie ford 16 tons is the song
00:55:10.140and uh you load 16 tons what do you get another day older and deeper in debt saint peter don't
00:55:15.500you call me because I can't go. I owe my soul to the company store. That is depressing. And so if
00:55:20.900you want to give your kids hope, you need to give them financial hope. And so I'm even thinking
00:55:25.820about conversations I have with my, you know, my 14 and 16 year old. They're like, houses are so
00:55:30.620expensive. I was like, I know, but you know, we bought a bigger one. So there's room. We're going
00:55:35.800to take that hit because we can right now for you guys. And you know, if you're married young,
00:55:41.140if you're starting businesses, you have a place to live. Like we got you. That causes them to be
00:55:47.040like creative and take risks because they know they can do that. But I remember, you know,
00:55:54.220most of the people in our generation was like, I was literally told when you're 18, you're on your
00:55:58.660own. 100% on your own. There will not be help. And it was kind of like, well, that kind of limits
00:56:04.820the options, you know, and you get into corporate America. And listen, the reason I've been so
00:56:10.280adamant about helping guys think through small business and stuff like this is corporate in
00:56:14.680america will suck your soul out and they will not care like staring at carpet walled cubicles
00:56:20.940while uploading articles to the internet or doing data entry or they'll fire and they'll fire you
00:56:27.68030 years in your career and leave you with nothing and not care they literally don't care they're
00:56:33.120not people etc all that stuff it's they're lizard people they're lizards people here we're on record
00:56:38.280King's hall, all corporations are lizard people. I'm just kidding. That's no, this is a really
00:56:43.280important part of the battle though. The dragons that are, are out there to fight. And this has
00:56:48.960been the absolutely the battlefront of our time. This is the war that's being waged as economic
00:56:56.460war. And I say that because you can see with the rise of paganism, you know, as Eric says,
00:57:02.340like the rise of the old gods or the strong gods, uh, what you have is, uh, I mean, all you have to
00:57:08.220do is look at the hr department which is like the bishops of this economic religion lady bishops
00:57:13.460yeah the lady bishops uh because you can see if you don't ascend to their standards of worship
00:57:19.140and their blasphemy laws and their their you know view of righteousness if you don't put the
00:57:24.240the the gay thing in your email signature if you don't wear the gay pin if you don't say
00:57:29.740you know essentially that caesar is lord you know in the lgbtq uh frame of worship then you will be
00:57:38.440fired this is economic war and so covid made this plane by the way yeah absolutely absolutely if you
00:57:45.140don't wear the mask if you don't get the the jab if you don't do this was the the big and i know
00:57:49.420you want to continue but again going back google archipelago was on a roll google archipelago they
00:57:55.320talk about this very thing. We do not live in a modern, uh, Stalinist statism anymore. They use
00:58:02.280the economy to enforce all the policies of the bureaucratic filth world government. Yeah. And so
00:58:07.860that's where people are feeling the weight of the tyranny is actually in their job. Yeah. Yeah,
00:58:12.740absolutely. And the thing is, think about it this way. If you are a, have the mindset of a W2
00:58:18.980employee, I mean, most everybody is a W2 employee to some degree or another, right? I mean, we're
00:58:24.600w2 employees uh of new christened press yeah and so we just also sit on the board we you know we
00:58:30.460also sit on the board hey let's not give away like the feds if you're listening and it's all legal
00:58:34.800it's on the app it's not tax evasion guys it's not tax evasion literally i still pay taxes i do pay
00:58:40.900taxes probably actually i need to make more to pay tax anyway uh no what was i gonna what was i
00:58:48.700saying okay so yeah the mindset of a w2 employee okay that's the important part is not just that
00:58:53.600you get a W-2. It's not your tax status. It's the way you approach your job. So if you approach
00:58:58.720your job like a standard corporate employee, where you're like, I hate my job. I don't like
00:59:03.520the people I work with. I especially don't like the person I work for. And my work has no meaning
00:59:09.580and I'm just going to fuss about it. And then I'm going to send my kids to public school.
00:59:14.020And then they're going to go to some state university so that they can learn how to be
00:59:18.260a good W-2 employee as well, you're perpetuating a cycle that will produce losers. And I don't
00:59:25.720mean like losers in the sense of like, hey, that dude's a loser. I mean like they will lose. You
00:59:31.980will lose your generations. That's what you're in danger of is because you're actually not able to
00:59:38.680engage this war that's going on. And one of the main battlefronts is the economic battlefront.
00:59:44.900And you need to approach that differently with a certain form of optimism versus being blackpilled about it, because this is especially for men, especially for men.
00:59:55.360This is the point in which we have the ability right now to do battle, which sounds kind of weird and abstract, but this is the point of where we're fighting is very hot right now.
01:00:09.620And you can see that with inflation and with taxation and with property tax, all that.
01:00:15.620You can see that's actually a pain point.
01:00:17.740And so one of the myths of decline that we've received is that in that package deal of the myth of decline is that you should actually reject wealth as well.
01:00:29.000The best way to protect yourself against money, of love of money, is to just not have it.
01:05:45.960Like we actually have an example of what it looks like, you know, 1 Peter 4.
01:05:50.300Like you know what it looks like to be sinned against and we're called to imitate Christ who didn't revile, who didn't, you know, shout back into the void, all these things.
01:05:58.740At the same time, we could make real progress and say something like, yeah, let's encourage – if we have lawyers in our church or we're associated with organizations, we definitely want to see no-fault divorce, for example.
01:06:13.500If we can leverage relationships with congressmen in our state, we definitely want to do that while also saying – we're also not going to throw our hands up in the air and just say, well, I give up.
01:06:28.740Dan, thoughts on that before we move on?
01:06:30.180Yeah, I would just say where did this come from, this black pill about marriage and divorce and not wanting to pursue marriage and things like that?
01:06:40.300I think what Brian said about having a bad experience yourself is true, but you also couple that with – for men, guys like Andrew Tate or any of the other black pill guys where they're just – it's confirmation bias where they're like, yeah, of course this is true.
01:07:04.620And then for women, you have a bad experience with a guy, and then you start listening to feminists about how much guys are just worthless.
01:07:25.600The baseball player, we were talking about this the other day, the baseball player who was like re-commenting all the black pill stuff about how the, you know, women have all the power and blah, blah, blah, blah.
01:07:36.140And then somebody like responded to him and they're like, didn't you cheat on your wife like 15 times?
01:07:57.540You were like, oh, who did this to me?
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01:10:12.640for more information and you teach your children that and you teach them like dan always says that
01:10:22.200the greatest risk is doing nothing yeah you think you're being safe and you're like i'm just not
01:10:27.240going to do anything you sit there you put your talent under your butt you sit on it and then
01:10:31.280what have you just done you've you've guaranteed failure yeah this seems like another thing with
01:10:37.340like not blackpilling your kids but uh your kids need to see you take risks things not work out
01:10:43.720and you respond well to that like that needs to be part of this process too where they're like
01:10:48.600you know it affected me in a very big way seeing a whole generation of older men above me
01:10:54.740who are like working for their 16 tons and they were like this is just the way it is you put your
01:11:00.500head down and you take it and i was like yeah no i don't i don't want to do that one of the other
01:11:06.640areas where this could apply directly to us, but the bad church thing. You hear it all the time,
01:11:13.640there's no good churches, there's no good pastors, there's nowhere for my family to go to worship.
01:11:19.380And what I typically say to people is like, well, I understand it's tough and I want to be realistic
01:11:23.800about that. But saying nowhere is different than saying it's bad out there. Yeah, absolutely. I
01:11:29.920mean, and the thing is, it's easy, again, with all of these different categories that we're
01:11:35.400looking at, it's easy to look outside and to say, wow, it's really bad and it's awful and it's
01:11:40.860really hard. But the place to start, the first place of improvement is with your own house,
01:11:46.380with yourself and your own house. And so, yeah, it might be true that there's actually,
01:11:50.200in your area, there might not be a good church. There might not be a good church,
01:11:54.180but you have to actually face the reality that maybe there is a good church nearby and you're
01:11:59.100the problem. That could be actually true. Yeah, that sometimes happens, guys.
01:12:39.800But no, seriously, I mean, how do you keep people from being blackmailed about the church?
01:12:44.020And Brian, this could also go, I'm thinking, for people who are in churches, where it's like, even in really great churches, I've seen people who are just continually complaining about something.
01:12:57.580Well, I don't like the way the service was.
01:12:59.500I didn't like that psalm at Psalm Sing.
01:13:53.220And the thing that I would want to motivate in the congregation and my own children is to have a proper paradigm where you understand the shape of the gospel of Jesus Christ and the gospel of the kingdom of God, that it is a narrative where we are saved by grace and through faith, through the active obedience of Christ, through his death on the cross, taking our sin, through the forgiveness of our sin by the cross.
01:14:18.460but also then onto new life and resurrection that were new creatures in Christ.
01:14:24.120And so now there is still a covenantal framework that's all of reality has overlaid over it.
01:14:30.480And it is, again, the two paths in light of your weakness, in light of all of the
01:14:35.660evil out there, in light of the dragons, it's Romans 2.6. And on through about verse 10 or 11,
01:14:42.080he says, he will render to each one according to his works, to those who by patience in well-doing
01:14:52.900But for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury.
01:14:58.120There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil, the Jew first and also the Greek.
01:15:03.140But glory and honor and peace for everyone who does good.
01:15:07.660And I want to be able to read those verses and explode all and just say amen at the end and have all of the gospel-centered antinomians' heads explode and say, son, daughter, church, you're Christians.
01:15:18.140So if you seek for glory and honor and immortality in the name of Christ and in faith, then he is going to render to you glory and honor, and there will be good and there will be peace.
01:15:28.060But if you don't, if you apostatize or if you go the way of the world and you don't seek for glory and honor and immortality and you seek for your own glory, you seek evil, then there's going to be tribulation and distress and God will utterly throw you down.
01:15:40.160But what we've neutered in the antinomian gospel is this pattern, this covenantal pattern of blessing and cursing.
01:15:50.100And so it makes the world seem—it makes it seem like cursing is inevitable.
01:15:54.660There is no way to seek for blessing and honor and glory and immortality because it's all grace, guys.
01:15:59.320And by that, they end up meaning it's just a roll of the dice.
01:16:02.100Nothing you do impacts whether God blesses you or not.
01:22:27.440As we wrap things up, again, just kind of summarizing everything we've said, how do you send guys off and say, like, fathers, go be inspired, go be white-pilled, and then honestly, like, go white-pill your family.