The King's Hall - October 13, 2023


Waging the Battle of Hope: Guidance from Tolkien, Raising Resilient Children, & Overcoming Narratives of Decline

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00:00:56.600 So, my cousin Westmoreland?
00:01:02.940 No, my fair cousin.
00:01:06.140 If we are marked to die, we are enough to do our country loss.
00:01:11.640 And if to live, the fewer men, the greater share of honor.
00:01:18.020 God's will, I pray thee, wish not one man more.
00:01:22.320 Rather, proclaim it, Westmoreland, through my host
00:01:27.700 that he which hath no stomach to this fight
00:01:30.860 let him depart
00:01:32.660 his passport shall be made
00:01:35.820 and crowns for convoy put into his purse
00:01:38.800 we would not die in that man's company
00:01:41.720 that fears his fellowship to die with us
00:01:44.900 This day is called the Feast of Crispian
00:01:49.180 he that outlives this day and comes safe home will stand at tiptoe when this day is named
00:01:57.940 and arouse him at the name of Crispian he that shall see this day and live old age will yearly
00:02:05.120 on the vigil feast his neighbors and say tomorrow is saint Crispin's then will he strip his sleeve
00:02:12.860 and show his scars
00:02:14.400 and say these wounds
00:02:16.380 I had on Crispin's day.
00:02:21.240 Old men forget,
00:02:23.980 yet all shall be forgot,
00:02:25.440 but he'll remember with advantages
00:02:27.500 what feats he did that day.
00:02:30.300 Then shall our names,
00:02:31.520 familiar in their mouths
00:02:32.600 as household words,
00:02:34.380 Harry the King,
00:02:35.500 Bedford and Exeter,
00:02:36.740 Warwick and Talbot,
00:02:37.860 Salisbury and Gloucester,
00:02:39.180 be in their flowing cups
00:02:41.160 freshly remembered.
00:02:42.860 This story shall the good man teach his son.
00:02:46.780 And Crispin, Crispian shall ne'er go by.
00:02:49.600 From this day to the ending of the world.
00:02:54.220 But we in it shall be remembered.
00:02:58.600 We few.
00:03:02.380 We happy few.
00:03:05.320 We band of brothers.
00:03:07.600 For he today that sheds his blood with me shall be my brother.
00:03:10.660 be he ne'er so vile
00:03:12.880 this day shall gentle his condition
00:03:15.000 and gentlemen in England
00:03:17.120 now abed
00:03:18.240 shall think themselves a curse
00:03:20.840 they were not here
00:03:21.900 and hold their manhoods cheap
00:03:24.680 whilst any speaks
00:03:26.720 that thought with us
00:03:28.580 upon St. Crestman's Day
00:03:32.040 Men
00:03:36.320 when you look out at the world
00:03:38.420 that roils and rages outside the threshold of your home.
00:03:42.280 When you look into the future of that world, what do you see?
00:03:46.360 One thing I think we all see, undeniable, is a world at war.
00:03:51.280 There seem to be battles raging on every front.
00:03:54.340 Economic, sexual, societal, cultural, in art, marriage, media, business, politics, and law.
00:04:01.520 Battles for what is true and good and beautiful.
00:04:04.560 Battles for the very soul of humanity.
00:04:07.300 This seeing, this seeing of the true scope of the task before us and our children will
00:04:12.860 prove to be one of the greatest tests of your leadership, your masculine duty, of your
00:04:17.960 fatherhood.
00:04:19.480 Will you look at the black dangers and fell foes before your family and despair?
00:04:24.740 Denethor slowly slipping into bleak madness, locked in his high tower, mind captive to
00:04:30.700 the enemy.
00:04:31.060 will you black pill your children teaching them that they're doomed that they have no hope that
00:04:37.560 theirs is a future of defeat heading into greater defeat and ultimate downfall or will you give your
00:04:44.060 children hope will you teach them strength in the face of strong foes will you hearten them
00:04:51.000 brace them build them up and send them out sons and daughters of your strength will you put a
00:04:57.740 sword in their hand, or will you put ice in their hearts? Join us in this episode of the King's
00:05:03.580 Hall podcast as we aim to make self-ruled men who rule well, who know that to win the world
00:05:09.360 means putting strong hope in their children's hearts.
00:05:17.500 Well, gentlemen, welcome to this episode and our listeners. The King's Hall podcast joined today by
00:05:22.660 the viking himself dan burkholder on my left yeah that's right by the way after that cold open i'm
00:05:28.460 ready to go to war let's like i've got a sword in my office let's go like a larper a dorky larper
00:05:35.140 i have a sword in my office i got a glock on my head i got a hellcat tucked in my waistband here
00:05:43.180 i'm ready dan you get the sword dang it you go first yeah have your larper sword yeah you draw
00:05:48.960 A fire will flank.
00:05:51.540 Also, the French-Canadian, Brian Covey, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome to this podcast.
00:05:58.360 He's looking around.
00:05:59.360 He's looking around.
00:06:00.820 Actually, is there a French-Canadian here?
00:06:03.080 We were watching the Manning cast, and I think it was Will Ferrell was on, and he was pronouncing the defensive end, which was Thibodeau.
00:06:10.160 And he said, and there's Thibodeau, the French-Canadian, trying to make a tackle, but he can't because he's French-Canadian.
00:06:17.800 Cold.
00:06:18.560 That was cold.
00:06:19.340 True, true, but cold.
00:06:20.640 But I thought of Brian, naturally.
00:06:22.740 I just, you know what, Eric?
00:06:24.040 I'm so glad that seeing failure made you think of me.
00:06:27.060 Yeah, it did.
00:06:27.720 It almost blackened me.
00:06:28.920 Yeah, yeah.
00:06:29.620 Until I heard the cold open and introduction.
00:06:32.740 And then it kind of brought it back.
00:06:33.980 So there's something about this, this picture that you spoke of with Denethor.
00:06:38.960 And it really made me think of a couple of things.
00:06:41.460 First of all, this is the return of the king when I think, right, when we read most of Denethor.
00:06:46.160 Yes, exactly.
00:06:47.580 One of the things that – in the last episode, we talked about fertility, and one of the marks of Gondor was that they had these high halls and these high towers and they had no children.
00:06:57.780 Yeah.
00:06:58.200 So one of the marks of hopelessness is going to be not having kids.
00:07:01.460 Yep.
00:07:01.680 I've often heard other people say if you have children, that really is a vested interest, placing hope in the future.
00:07:08.340 They spent more time thinking about the roles of their dead ancestors and forefathers than they did about their living children.
00:07:17.140 is one of the things that Tolkien, I mean, to paraphrase, puts in that scene.
00:07:20.980 And a big part of it, it seems like, as our kind of resident expert Tolkien guy,
00:07:27.200 Ben's here too, but he doesn't have a mic, so, you know, you win out.
00:07:31.560 My question to you is, do you think Tolkien understood something about this,
00:07:35.720 the problem with this metanarrative of decline that so many people embrace?
00:07:39.900 Was that what happened in Gondor, do you think?
00:07:42.900 Was that people just, they just embraced that things were always going to get worse and worse?
00:07:46.420 Yeah, I think they did. And it was because part of the image that Tolkien weaves into this scene is that you have the white city and it's looking out east towards Mordor. And it is the bulwark against the expansion of Mordor.
00:08:03.280 and the as long as they stayed true and it's the blood of Numenor ran true and they were you know
00:08:09.580 brave men of the west they stood their ground but what happens is that the enemy he doesn't first
00:08:15.600 invade their walls he first invades their hearts and he does it through their head he does it
00:08:21.040 through the steward of Gondor Denethor through the palantir as he looks into this uh palantir
00:08:27.040 which is an art higher than him and so dangerous for him to wield is how Tolkien looks it and for
00:08:32.980 For people who don't like – it's like foresight basically.
00:08:35.460 He looks into the future.
00:08:36.360 The seeing stones would be set up around the kingdom and they were very ancient, created by ancient powers.
00:08:44.040 And basically they would give you sight to the different stones and also you could – if you had the strength of will, you could control them and see things far off.
00:08:54.140 So a Palantir is basically like an iPhone.
00:08:56.720 It's a lot like an iPhone.
00:08:57.720 Actually, I shared a theory with Ben Garrett that AI is a real-world Palantir.
00:09:05.040 It kind of is, though.
00:09:05.800 Yeah.
00:09:06.420 And what happened, though, is that Denethor, he had ice creep in his heart.
00:09:10.380 He was shown you can't make the Palantir lie.
00:09:13.880 Like, even Sauron couldn't do that.
00:09:16.120 But he could show him selective truth.
00:09:18.780 And so he just kept showing Denethor the forces of his armies and how strong evil was until Denethor's will was broken.
00:09:26.760 and you see then I think two pictures against that and I'll tie this to our cold open here I
00:09:32.380 think it's important for our listeners maybe didn't catch what was happening but uh you see
00:09:36.840 against that the speeches of Theoden and the speeches of Aragorn before the black gate and
00:09:41.560 the speeches of Theoden on the Pelennor um before the forces of Mordor are coming or even Gandalf
00:09:47.460 the the giver of hope in the story the who he gives hope to the hearts of men these figures
00:09:52.640 show a foil against Denethor's black pilled he's already been conquered before the fight happens
00:09:58.420 and against that you see these men who stand against seemingly insurmountable odds and they
00:10:04.200 basically say even if we die today we are going to make such an end as Theoden says in the movie
00:10:10.400 as you know to be worthy of remembrance and and that's the Saint Crispin's Day speech from Henry
00:10:17.360 the fifth act for maybe dan can you set up like so that people who maybe didn't understand what
00:10:23.820 was happening in that speech that we played uh what what's the scene why is that so relevant
00:10:28.580 yeah so the english had been marching for a long time that they're wet they're tired they're cold
00:10:33.280 they're attacking the french and they're outnumbered five to one and things are looking
00:10:39.900 very very bleak and so the scene is set up saying like hey it's going to be the saint christman's
00:10:44.100 Day or St. Christmas Day. And men do no work. If we could just have one in a thousand of those men
00:10:50.620 that do no work, we would actually have a chance. And so the men are grumbling and they're looking,
00:10:57.980 well, I mean, they're overwhelmed. They're tired. They're going against a fresh enemy.
00:11:02.540 They're going to die. They realize that that's probably what's going to happen.
00:11:07.440 And then you have King Henry come in and say, what is this talk that I'm hearing? I would wish
00:11:11.760 for not one man more to share in the glory.
00:11:15.260 And then you get the rest of the speech of him essentially saying like, what an opportunity
00:11:20.000 for us to win glory.
00:11:21.380 Like anybody that doesn't have the stomach to fight, I'll write a passport, go, because
00:11:25.900 I don't want to die with you.
00:11:27.600 You, you, you're not deserving of the honor to die with us.
00:11:31.040 Yes.
00:11:31.940 And so that, that's kind of the setup of the speech.
00:11:33.900 And of course in the, in the, in the Shakespeare play, they, they win.
00:11:36.980 Yeah.
00:11:37.700 Yeah.
00:11:37.980 Uh, decisively.
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00:13:50.340 the battle of agancourt but i i mean in in uh literature in culture i mean this the saint
00:14:00.780 crispin's day speech stands at the top yeah among the some of the greatest speeches amazing it's
00:14:07.080 it's absolutely incredible and it is it is a speech for our time yeah it shows these foils
00:14:12.680 that's what we're trying to give you here at the front is to paint two kind of like the meme which
00:14:16.440 way, oh Western man. And there's the, there's the two roads forking before you. Will you go down
00:14:21.860 to the, we are lesser sons of greater sires. Everything is decline, the narrative of decline
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00:15:30.560 Yeah, it's interesting because one of the characters we've mentioned in passing, sort of
00:15:35.540 the opposite of, you know, what was going on in Gondor with Denethor is Theoden. And here you have
00:15:42.980 a guy who is for a time blackpilled. And this is something I think that could give a lot of people
00:15:48.560 hope is that you don't have to stay that way. Gandalf, as you mentioned, speaks to him. But
00:15:53.500 Brian, I want to ask you, maybe just paint a little bit of this scene. On the Pelennor fields,
00:15:58.980 there's this great image. As I was recollecting this, I'm thinking of the psalm singing video
00:16:05.020 going around um with our friends in moscow i think uh chase chase davis and matt patrick had
00:16:10.720 shared it it was like flash mob singing uh psalm 134 in one of the local pubs in moscow
00:16:16.480 and it was funny because the number of journalists who shared it and we're like
00:16:20.380 i think these guys are gonna win and i was like interesting and a lot of other people were like
00:16:25.420 this is so dangerous blah blah blah well they're right it is dangerous but one of the things that
00:16:29.640 was said about fad and he he becomes white pilled he's on the field and they're singing as they
00:16:34.440 slew. I guess, Brian, as a different foil, talk about Théoden and why his story is important,
00:16:40.700 particularly at the end and particularly what he says about, you know, going to his father's,
00:16:45.160 all that good stuff. Yeah. Théoden is, again, Rohan is riding to an absolutely unwinnable battle,
00:16:54.240 militarily speaking, until Aragorn shows up with the armies of the dead come to fulfill their oath
00:17:00.440 And he went through the gates of the dead and all of that, like that pass until they arrive at the scene.
00:17:05.420 And they don't know that.
00:17:06.160 They don't know that that's going to happen at all.
00:17:07.700 In fact, all of their military surveillance, all of their, what's the word, their evidence, their intelligence is telling them that there's another fleet that's going to come out of the east with even more people.
00:17:19.940 They think it's the enemy.
00:17:20.720 So even if they were to defeat every single orc on the field in front of them, which is like five to one again, then they know that there's another enormous army bigger than them that's going to show up sometime that day, the next day, whatever.
00:17:34.880 And even if they don't, like as the story progresses, you find out even if they beat that army, there's another army in Mordor that's ready.
00:17:42.000 I mean, Sauron is just – he has like three successive possibilities of destroying the world of men, and that's what it is.
00:17:49.900 he's bent on destroying the world of men, not just conquering them, but completely ending
00:17:57.920 their existence. And in the face of that, Theoden says, essentially, arise, riders of Theoden,
00:18:07.580 fell deeds awake, fire and slaughter, spear shall be shaken, shield shall be splintered,
00:18:12.780 A sword day, a red day, ere the sun rises, ride now, ride now, ride to Gondor.
00:18:20.480 And it's this picture, the way that it hits me is that it preaches something that's really throughout the book, the whole series that Tolkien really gets.
00:18:31.220 And it's that for a man, losing and death is not the end if he die bravely.
00:18:39.740 There's glory in it.
00:18:40.420 There's glory in it.
00:18:41.420 And ultimately the hope that's there, and Gandalf points to this as well in a similar scene or a related scene, is the hope of resurrection.
00:18:51.240 So he's teaching his children, even when it's not a rose-colored glasses speech, he doesn't say like, we're now going to 100% win, don't even worry, like your wife at home, she doesn't even know to worry.
00:19:03.720 No, he's like sending them, and they all know this, into their death in their mind, barring almost supernatural intervention.
00:19:13.060 And yet, because of what I would see as the hope of resurrection, he knows that if you win glory in the right cause, even if you go and you completely fail, that that's not a black pill.
00:19:24.120 That's a white pill because ultimately, goodness, truth, and beauty will win in the end.
00:19:30.180 Well, it's interesting, too. Reading Michael Walsh, his book Last Stands, he has this really interesting statement. He says a historical observation. He said cultures that go down fighting tend to rise again from the ashes.
00:19:45.100 But if they surrender and just give up, they don't like it's done because it shows in this in the foundation of their cultural spirit that they have already.
00:19:53.600 Again, the loss happened in their soul well before it happened on the battlefield.
00:19:57.760 Well, Eric, that's similar to a conversation we had this morning about Churchill and the Boer Wars.
00:20:02.640 Yeah.
00:20:03.180 Where you were telling me that Churchill observed as the Boers were fighting, they were singing psalms.
00:20:09.740 Yeah, he said – so they're in their train.
00:20:11.640 They're surrounded by the Boers.
00:20:13.520 And he said the most – this was later in life he's reflecting.
00:20:16.540 He said the most terrifying scene in my life was the Boers coming on our – they were surrounding the train and attacking the train full speed on horseback.
00:20:24.240 and they're singing psalms as loud as they can.
00:20:27.900 And he said, I knew in that moment,
00:20:30.360 their cause was just and ours was not.
00:20:33.380 And I was like, wow.
00:20:34.800 And he was like, I was terrified.
00:20:36.880 These psalms singing as they slew.
00:20:39.980 Yeah, I think it's a really interesting picture.
00:20:41.980 So we think about this as fathers.
00:20:43.860 Last episode, again, we talked about being virile
00:20:46.120 and fertile and having children.
00:20:48.620 And that's really glorious.
00:20:50.120 But if we raise these children
00:20:51.320 and then we teach them to be blackpilled, we've failed.
00:20:54.240 I want to connect this then to something Elon Musk said.
00:20:57.740 This has been the last couple of years or something like that.
00:21:00.360 But he said fundamentally SpaceX, all this, Tesla, his work at X now.
00:21:05.620 He said the whole point is he said I want to give the next generation hope because people need to have hope about the future.
00:21:11.080 So he's come out and he said overpopulation, total myth.
00:21:14.460 We could comfortably house all 7 billion people on planet Earth in America.
00:21:18.840 This is garbage.
00:21:20.400 It's bunk.
00:21:21.740 And so we'll start to unpack some of this.
00:21:23.520 But you think about this for future generations, giving them hope.
00:21:28.860 Do you think that's why post-millennialism has been such a hot topic for the youth?
00:21:34.880 It's the young people who are saying yes to this and no to the we lose down here stuff.
00:21:40.820 Yes, absolutely.
00:21:41.680 If you think about all of our personal experiences, having some sort of dispensational influence on our Christian lives, especially when we were younger,
00:21:50.200 you get this narrative that, you know, Satan is in control of everything still, and we're still
00:21:57.660 waiting for that escape from this world. Well, that's in fact, one of the ten is I was listening
00:22:03.140 to John MacArthur's sermon on the dispensationalist, but he said, Satan is ruling here over this
00:22:09.460 kingdom. This is his kingdom. So that's actually consistent with the theological position of what
00:22:13.920 you're saying. Yeah, that's correct. And I mean, just to back up for a moment, the reason why we're
00:22:18.760 convinced of post-millennialism as the scriptures, not because it's just, oh, well, this is
00:22:23.940 optimistic. We needed hope. I'm generally an optimistic guy, so I'm attracted to it.
00:22:29.320 That's actually not true. That's actually not true. So you have this myth of decline and that
00:22:35.700 everything is going to hell in a handbasket, and you're just waiting for this deus ex machina
00:22:42.960 sort of event of the rapture so that you can just get out of here. I know we've joked about this,
00:22:48.760 privately. I don't know about on the podcast, but you know, when I was in school, it'd be like in
00:22:54.800 high school and I didn't do my homework or I'm going to just bomb a test. And I'm like, Lord
00:22:59.000 Jesus, please rapture me now. Like, just get me out of here, you know? And I don't want to face
00:23:04.940 the consequences. So when you're introduced to this eschatological position of post-millennialism
00:23:11.840 and you start reading through the scriptures and you're like, wait a minute, this myth of decline
00:23:18.120 is a myth. The decline is not inevitable. In fact, it seems like the entire world will worship
00:23:25.720 Christ. And that means we win. Yeah. Well, it definitely gives you a different perspective
00:23:32.100 on life. And we've done previous episodes on post-millennialism and then this optimistic,
00:23:38.260 you guys are looking like you want to jump in. Well, I was just going to say it's important.
00:23:41.980 It's, it's, it's important to note that you can actually look at almost every culture, you know, culture and period where there's like, you know, say the Roman empire at different stages, almost every period of history, the contemporary people in that, in that period tend to believe that they are in a moment of decline from some previous peak.
00:24:04.240 it's really interesting like you see this like generation after generation in the roman empire
00:24:09.900 everyone's always saying like if only we could get back to that the day back in cicero's day and
00:24:14.240 then like you know they're in the first century if only we could get back and then in the 300s if
00:24:18.140 only we could get back to the first century and then in the 400s if only we get back to the
00:24:21.120 second century we have a tendency as human beings i think to do this it's like the uncle rico
00:24:27.220 syndrome expand the uncle rico syndrome you know like the good old days the good old days are always
00:24:33.080 in the past yeah exactly this is a napoleon dynamite reference uncle rico if i would if they
00:24:37.720 would have put me in a quarterback we would have won state yeah you're right though it is this
00:24:42.660 there is something in the human psyche that does tend to read the narrative of wherever they're at
00:24:51.240 in history as being at this point of decline and and i'm not saying that people are like well what
00:24:56.840 if you actually are because sometimes you are i actually do think now i'm gonna say and i also
00:25:01.440 And one of those people, I do think we're in a period of obvious decline culturally in America, and we can trace this to apostasy and many of the things we've talked about.
00:25:09.700 But I say all of that just to make sure that you don't then superimpose your moment here in this little blip of the story God's writing in this little country that's ultimately not that old, all this, and then superimpose that narrative and say, because of inflation in 2023, all of history is in decline.
00:25:27.620 And, you know, abandon your posts, like Theoden in the movie when he's he's yelling at everybody.
00:25:32.800 And then Gandalf waxed him with a stick.
00:25:34.560 But thus ends.
00:25:36.760 And he's like, prepare for battle.
00:25:38.580 I think it's interesting.
00:25:39.780 This is, again, within the last couple of years, Jordan Peterson had even done some work with, I think, NATO.
00:25:45.380 And then he said that he was looking at data from around the world.
00:25:49.820 And he said it really intrigued me because everybody talks about how there is this myth of decline in every sector, not just religious.
00:25:56.480 it's like a cultural dispensationalism as well and he said but when you looked at the data he's
00:26:02.620 like uh hunger has gone down poverty has gone down the world is more wealthy than it's ever been
00:26:09.400 we're alleviating a lot of action and he said environmental crisis is a total myth because
00:26:15.480 when you look at all the metrics that we use to track it things have actually gotten far better
00:26:20.960 So I think looking at life and saying, look, there's always going to be dragons.
00:26:25.820 There's always going to be challenges.
00:26:27.900 Even COVID.
00:26:29.360 I had a number of friends who were continually saying to me, the banking system is going to crash at any moment.
00:26:34.580 We're going to be fighting each other tooth and nail for food supplies.
00:26:38.320 There's not going to be toilet paper.
00:26:40.620 Every culture, every time, to Brian's point, there is a whole host of chicken littles.
00:26:45.100 You're always going to have those people.
00:26:46.580 Even in the height, the greatest heyday, you know, you're going to have people who are like, you have this in a church, in a family, and sometimes the only thing a certain personality can see is all of the problems.
00:26:58.460 And they're like, well, you should have done this different.
00:27:00.900 Well, what about that?
00:27:02.080 There's constant fussers.
00:27:03.940 We have to fight that.
00:27:05.560 Yeah, so, Brian, I want to ask you and Dan you as well, as we think about ways that fathers might black belt their homes.
00:27:11.280 Yeah.
00:27:11.440 And I think we'll talk about ways not to do this as well.
00:27:14.060 But I'll kick off with maybe one and then ask your opinion.
00:27:18.300 I think one – I grew up in white, suburban, conservative America.
00:27:23.660 I think one of the biggest ones is media consumption related to the conservative movement.
00:27:29.280 So I grew up with just all the men around me that were like my father's age, constant consumption of Rush Limbaugh, constant consumption of Mark Levin.
00:27:39.220 And in fundamentally content that was like we're losing, you know, I think it was Sam Francis.
00:27:45.300 He called the conservative movement the beautiful losers.
00:27:48.280 Like they delight in losing.
00:27:50.540 And so there was an expectation of losing.
00:27:53.160 What did you call that earlier?
00:27:54.980 Conservative dispensationalism.
00:27:56.700 Yeah.
00:27:57.420 Like it's a great turn of phrase.
00:27:58.720 It's just dispensationalism that's also invaded the conservative.
00:28:01.540 Well, I mean, really what conservatism is in a way is an encapsulation of what you talked about.
00:28:06.940 trying to recapture the glory years, right?
00:28:10.340 You're trying to conserve that.
00:28:12.720 You're holding onto the past.
00:28:14.800 That's right.
00:28:15.300 And true conservatism is a vision for human life
00:28:19.240 and human flourishing anchored to immutable,
00:28:22.760 unchangeable, objective principles of truth, justice, beauty
00:28:26.440 that are rooted in the nature of God.
00:28:28.840 And so, yes, we're conserving things, we're defending things,
00:28:32.340 but what can often happen is that liberalism is cast
00:28:35.440 as a positive vision where they're marching towards progress progressivism and conservatives
00:28:41.820 are always kind of like holding the coach back and we need to kind of flip the narrative in many
00:28:46.940 ways for our children and in our own hearts to say well no no we're actually going to be the
00:28:53.060 ones who are progressing we're going to drive the huns out well i i think you're absolutely right i
00:28:58.660 think that what a lot of people like sam francis pat buchanan paleo con movement what they started
00:29:04.140 to realize about conservatism and the rot that was within was that the left was fundamentally
00:29:09.740 like you're talking about progressives they're fundamentally post-millennial they have a utopian
00:29:14.600 positive vision for the future they really are fighting the culture war to win and most
00:29:18.980 conservatives were losing because they were saying i'm just trying to conserve whatever
00:29:23.040 the leftist victory from yesterday was which ends up not being that much all that to say
00:29:28.980 at the very blue collar level guys are consuming people who are continually chicken littling it
00:29:34.760 to death yeah and so when when you're constantly listening to rush limbaugh talk about how awful
00:29:40.020 the liberals are and how much the conservatives suck and and that's all you hear you don't walk
00:29:46.200 away being like build fight win you walk away being discouraged and disheartened and angry
00:29:52.120 and angry and then a lot of times people get entrapped in these false flag things because
00:29:56.480 they're easily manipulatable okay so i think dan conservatism has not really been actually brian's
00:30:04.060 raising his hands well i was just gonna say this point to your point anger is a is an emotion it's
00:30:08.920 easy to manipulate joy is not interesting can you that i mean i just think that that's there's a
00:30:14.340 reason that people always push back when i tweet about this about righteous anger and unrighteous
00:30:18.880 anger and and how the scriptures warn us like james is so clear the anger of man does not
00:30:23.260 produce the righteousness God requires. Okay, deal with that verse. I think one of the things it
00:30:27.560 means is that even though there is such thing as righteous anger, where someone can paint in black
00:30:31.980 colors the evil deeds that are being done and provoke righteous anger in you. They're killing
00:30:37.920 babies. They're cutting the penises off of little boys. They're chemically castrating. You do all of
00:30:43.840 that. But the thing that conservatives and Christians need to remember is that anger is
00:30:48.880 not a safe emotion to sit in. It has to be quickly turned to righteous action and joyful
00:30:56.420 righteous action fighting for joy, or it will curdle into bitterness or other things that are
00:31:03.100 destructive to the human soul. So even though there is such thing as righteous anger, even
00:31:08.720 righteous anger is supposed to motivate us to aim for the joy of righteousness and joy in the Lord
00:31:16.120 and for righteous deeds not mere complaining and stewing in bitter anger it doesn't do anything
00:31:25.480 righteous anger should lead to justice that's what it's supposed to do to justice and it puts
00:31:29.480 an end to the wicked deeds and then there's joy well and i i think the perfect he's kind of like
00:31:34.740 the in between i guess between all the characters in lord of the rings is gandalf so also in the
00:31:42.480 return of the king brian you remember the scene is he with pippin and they talk about the joy in
00:31:47.560 his face yeah he has he could like the battles raging and it's like everybody in gondor is like
00:31:54.680 we're all gonna die and i think i've said this before but gandalf in the story again this is
00:31:59.900 not portrayed well in the movies gandalf has naria one of the three elven rings of power and naria is
00:32:05.140 the ring that puts hope in the hearts of men yes so gandalf is a character fundamentally of hope
00:32:11.280 He doesn't win rings. I need one of them ranks. He doesn't conquer by the power of his magic. He doesn't conquer by the power of his sword. Gandalf conquers by ordering the kingdoms of men around hope. That's what he does.
00:32:26.820 So a big part of this, and I would say this to fathers, like, again, very blue collar, very practical, people consume a lot of our content. I think more and more on the rise, you have podcasts and stuff like that, because guys are working jobs are listening to stuff. So what I would say to you guys, as fathers, you are going to be either the Denethor or the Gandalf in your house.
00:32:45.180 Yes. You are going to be the guy that either spreads joy and hope or dismay. And so that is going to come back to what are you consuming? Who are you listening to all the time? I know for me, coming out of the conservative movement and, you know, reading that stuff all the time, nonstop, only thing I consume. I remember hearing Doug Wilson say things like, oh, there's never been a better time to be alive. Look at all the things you have. Be joyful. Let's go fight. And I remember thinking, I don't even know what to do with this.
00:33:12.540 I think this guy's delusional.
00:33:13.940 What is he talking about?
00:33:15.180 The whole, it's so important for fathers to be able to say to their children, as Doug has recently said, remember Acts 17, guys, that God has appointed the times and the boundaries of our lives.
00:33:28.320 So what that means is that your children, when you look out at the landscape of battles before them, economic, sexual, cultural, religious, all these battles before them, God chose them to live in this time.
00:33:42.540 those dragons have their names on them.
00:33:45.840 So when I think about the future in the battles,
00:33:47.640 I need as a father to think Ari and Ira and Cyril and Alfred and Daphne and Winifred
00:33:53.680 playing those roles as sons and daughters do in complementary ways.
00:33:58.300 They are the ammunition.
00:33:59.480 They're the arrows that are going to go out into these dragons.
00:34:02.100 And God is the one who decided they would fight those dragons.
00:34:05.380 So it's not like this.
00:34:06.820 I'm so sorry, kids, that, you know, it's going to be really tough for you.
00:34:10.480 And if only you'd been born in the boomer generation, if only you could have been a boomer, then you could have had a house and you could have like, no, no, no.
00:34:16.740 Like you guys are going to be the ones that go out and God gave you these dragons.
00:34:21.760 So go and go and fight them.
00:34:23.520 Well, I just on Twitter today, I was posting about the state of things, whatever, you know, typical as one does inane tweeting, whatever.
00:34:31.020 And the number of comments on there was kind of shocking where they were like, I weep for my children.
00:34:36.300 I don't weep for my children.
00:34:37.780 Stop it.
00:34:38.140 Like I'm preparing my children.
00:34:39.380 I'm like, boys, what we have before us is a target-rich environment.
00:34:43.980 In a lot of ways, I envy my children because so much of the neutral world existed when we were growing up.
00:34:50.700 I'm like, man, I wasted so much time.
00:34:52.280 I didn't realize what was actually happening.
00:34:54.580 And now we're – since 2020 in this great unveiling, the apocalypse of our time, you actually see like, whoa, the battle lines are right there.
00:35:02.520 They're clear.
00:35:03.020 They're really clear now.
00:35:04.180 I do want to say, as far as media goes, for younger kids, two of my favorite books to read to my boys, and they absolutely love this.
00:35:12.720 So my little now three-year-old boy, for his birthday, he wanted a St. George and the Dragon birthday cake because his favorite book is St. George and the Dragon.
00:35:22.020 And it's a retelling by Margaret Hodges.
00:35:24.620 With a really good illustration.
00:35:25.980 Oh, yeah.
00:35:26.120 I love that book.
00:35:26.820 I mean, and the other one is The Kitchen Knight that she does.
00:35:29.980 And those stories are excellent because as you're reading through St. George, I mean, it's a longer book for kids.
00:35:37.060 But as you're reading through it, there is no delusions that there's going to be a dragon.
00:35:40.860 There's going to be a battle.
00:35:41.860 And even amidst the battle, you know, he has like a small victory, but then he ends up getting like scorched with fire.
00:35:48.560 Yeah.
00:35:48.760 You know, and the battle is hard, but there's so much glory at the end.
00:35:53.640 And I mean, that is the narrative that we're telling the kids as we look out and your older kids.
00:35:58.820 It's not just younger kids.
00:36:00.120 Obviously, this book has been good for me, too.
00:36:02.320 But you look at the dragons out there.
00:36:04.660 You look at the enemy, you know, that that needs to be conquered.
00:36:08.500 And you're like, this is going to be so hard.
00:36:10.520 And I just think of St. Crispin's Day.
00:36:12.740 It's like there's so much glory to be won.
00:36:15.780 I mean, what a time to live in.
00:36:17.420 There's not enough Christians who understand these things.
00:36:19.240 I don't want to share this with any.
00:36:20.920 I'm just kidding.
00:36:21.560 I tell my six-year-old boy when he's not being kind to his brothers, I'm like, son, you were made for this time.
00:36:28.400 You are a leader, and you could be great.
00:36:31.520 And there is so much glory to win, and you must love your friends.
00:36:36.260 You must love your brothers because there is so much opportunity.
00:36:40.420 And if you steal your strength and steal your glory by beating up on your brothers, by beating up on your friends,
00:36:48.240 and not understanding there's an enemy out there,
00:36:51.080 you will lose it all.
00:36:52.180 And he looks at me confused, but.
00:36:53.660 He's like, oh, I'm three.
00:36:55.500 I just, I hope it's actually out
00:36:57.440 by the time this episode comes out.
00:36:59.100 Yeah.
00:37:00.100 The song I put on Hearth Songs,
00:37:01.760 it's called Old Neptune, He's Roaring.
00:37:03.760 Go listen to it because you just almost quoted the chorus.
00:37:06.860 Oh, really?
00:37:07.300 You know, come on, boys, don't you know
00:37:09.200 there are dragons out there, dragons out there.
00:37:11.860 Come on, boys, don't be slow.
00:37:13.140 Cut down Leviathan, go get the girl.
00:37:14.720 It's a song about encouraging sons to pursue
00:37:17.040 the right kind of glory and it's like you could have saved time i could have just written that
00:37:21.320 for you yeah dude absolutely can you can we workshop together i don't think that's a good
00:37:26.340 idea it's interesting too when you when you think about leadership i was even thinking about
00:37:30.320 sports analogy for those of us who like sports brian will get this one yeah thank you no thank
00:37:34.860 you for contextualizing for me eric yeah this is contextualization uh but on sunday the broncos
00:37:40.240 played and they win almost no football games recently um so it's almost like you wouldn't
00:37:46.000 expect sort of the confidence and the hopefulness but they were down by i think over 21 points to
00:37:51.840 the worst team in football which was the bears oh no and i love this scene though because they asked
00:37:57.060 sean payton the head coach are like you guys came back and you won like you you guys basically suck
00:38:02.640 how did you how did you do that and he's kind of cringe uh but russ wilson and his positivity
00:38:09.340 they said he lined up he lined the team up in the huddle and he had everybody turned he said i want
00:38:13.900 you to look at the other team this is on like one of the final drives and he says look in their eyes
00:38:18.760 they know we're gonna win and the other team hears him and so he's like what that's a king
00:38:25.820 and the next play to the rookie mims he throws like a 65 yard pass and then he looks at his team
00:38:32.920 and he's like i told you they know we're gonna win and they go down and they win so it sucked
00:38:37.900 if they lost but i mean that would actually there is a funny story because uh like two three years
00:38:43.780 ago the Broncos are on like their
00:38:45.500 two yard line and mimicking
00:38:47.600 the drive John Elway come back
00:38:49.580 they beat Cleveland they go 98 yards
00:38:51.060 Vance Joseph tells his team he goes
00:38:53.600 boys because John Elway had
00:38:55.460 apparently done this we got him right where we want him
00:38:57.600 well I think
00:38:59.700 that drive the Broncos ended with a
00:39:01.520 safety oh no
00:39:03.260 and so it was kind of like he had fell flat
00:39:05.140 just a little like literally
00:39:07.380 he fell flat in the end
00:39:08.600 some of those moments suck but
00:39:11.200 here's what I will say tying this all
00:39:13.460 back to as men we need to be inspirers to be a gandalf we have to be reading inspiring things
00:39:21.100 and so one of the things that gives me hope about our kids and i'm gonna tie it something about
00:39:25.400 king's hall season three i look at what they're reading i look at what dan's reading dan starts
00:39:30.360 researching christendom and we're reading about king alfred what happens to the energy in our
00:39:35.880 hearts when we read about men who are up against it men who fought off the danes they fought off
00:39:41.900 the vikings they had literally no reason to expect that christendom would succeed in england turks
00:39:47.460 and sorry they destroyed them sorry so dan i want you to speak to again this goes back to media
00:39:53.680 consumption and book consumption how have the books great books why we believe in it for saint
00:40:00.080 brennan's why is filling our kids and our family with the great books of western literature so
00:40:05.860 important if we're going to be men who inspire? Well, yeah, I think there's two things. The first
00:40:13.700 thing is that Brian is right. We do have a natural human instinct to look at the past and say,
00:40:19.680 those were the glory years. That is amazing. And it's really important to understand how that
00:40:24.700 happened, right? You look at like, how was Christendom built? Who were the men that were
00:40:29.560 the main players in this? What are the great stories of Christendom? But then the other thing
00:40:35.180 that's really, really important is to then spur the hearts of your children on towards
00:40:40.420 building that again.
00:40:41.400 Like we can do that.
00:40:42.220 It's not, we can do that.
00:40:43.480 You know, what's great about reading these stories, you know, like Alfred, the great
00:40:47.700 his, if you look at Alfred, he was like, man, he had stomach issues.
00:40:53.180 He was in pain.
00:40:54.480 He was the youngest son.
00:40:55.900 There was no expectation that he would be King other than just his three brothers died
00:41:00.760 before that Stonewall Jackson.
00:41:03.020 Oh yeah.
00:41:03.360 High condition, like not so socially awkward as all get out.
00:41:07.140 EQ of an engineer.
00:41:08.100 Like everyone in his college days when he's teaching, they're like, he's the worst professor of all time.
00:41:13.980 Yeah.
00:41:14.220 Anyway.
00:41:14.640 And so none of these men, I mean, none of these men were that special until they were put in front of a dragon.
00:41:23.260 Yeah.
00:41:23.860 Until they were facing battle and they had to make the hard decisions and they had to choose.
00:41:29.320 One of the great things with Alfred at the Battle of Ashdown, they're in the shield wall.
00:41:33.640 They only have half of their army, and they're facing the whole host of the Viking army invading their homeland.
00:41:39.580 And the thing that's really important to recognize is that with a shield wall, there's usually 10 units deep that have to fill in the shield wall.
00:41:47.880 It's just a wall of shields.
00:41:49.000 I mean, it's in the name.
00:41:50.120 But it would be absolutely detrimental if one of the men would flee.
00:41:56.180 It's like the first thing that can happen.
00:41:57.980 How much more if Alfred, who is leading this battle, if he fled, the men have nothing to fight for.
00:42:04.620 And so you see a man with almost no battle experience at all, very young, no expectation to be king, probably going to die.
00:42:12.540 And instead of running, the troops don't show up.
00:42:14.760 They said that he acted like a wild boar in battle.
00:42:20.180 And they ultimately won the Battle of Ashdown.
00:42:23.460 Not to give it away, but it's been around for, you know, 1,200 years.
00:42:27.140 Yeah. I mean, you guys, it's not a spoiler. It's been over a millennia. It's on you. It's just on you.
00:42:34.480 So anyway, I mean, I think that it's so important to feed your kids this sort of food. I mean, it's like protein to build muscle.
00:42:42.140 You know, it's a similar thing. You feed them the right stories and you win their hearts with the right stories.
00:42:48.320 C.S. Lewis talks about this in Voyage of the Dawn Treader about Eustace reading all the wrong stories.
00:42:52.820 He wrote all the wrong stories.
00:42:53.500 All the wrong stories.
00:42:54.240 It's all about exports and imports and taxes.
00:42:57.720 He was like a perfect little bureaucrat.
00:42:59.440 It was like Title IX.
00:43:00.400 He had the Title IX reading plan.
00:43:02.340 Yeah, so you feed the kids the right stories, and then they have a foundation in which to draw from.
00:43:07.080 When you say, like, there's a challenge out there, and it's an opportunity for you to win, they're like, they've got this narrative that's been built into them.
00:43:15.540 It's part of their bones that they know that there's opportunity out there to win glory.
00:43:19.980 But on the other hand, if all you've consumed yourself and all they have consumed is you're fussing about your myth of decline sort of modern news media stuff, then when they see a challenge, they're going to shrink back because there's no way to win.
00:43:37.900 Everything is doom and gloom.
00:43:39.580 And we are – like part of this comes in the human psyche and soul from the reality in our story that we are sons of Adam and daughters of Eve.
00:43:48.660 We come from a father and a mother who fell from Eden, who fell from perfection.
00:43:55.600 And so the human soul longs to return to perfection and glory.
00:44:02.060 Of course we do.
00:44:03.500 But what we're missing often is that we can tell our children all about the decline and we can fail to teach them the St. Brandon the Navigator, St. Brandon the Voyager heart of now go quest for Eden's shores.
00:44:17.620 Now, we're on our way to something better than Eden.
00:44:21.020 We're on our way to something, not just man innocent, but man glorified.
00:44:24.940 We're in Christ.
00:44:26.020 We have a conqueror who's gone before.
00:44:27.500 He's cut off Goliath's head.
00:44:28.520 Let's follow him.
00:44:29.100 Let's rout the Philistines.
00:44:30.260 Let's win the land.
00:44:31.120 If our hearts remain true, if we don't worship idols, if we put the idols out of the land,
00:44:35.620 the Lord will bless us.
00:44:36.960 He'll cause us to prosper.
00:44:38.440 Like that's the part in the story that people often, it's so funny, the evangelical mind
00:44:44.260 so often wants to stop at the battle for Gondor
00:44:50.020 before Aragorn shows up.
00:44:53.780 And that's the,
00:44:55.020 like imagine reading that story to your children
00:44:57.040 and then just saying the end
00:44:58.520 and then putting it down.
00:45:00.360 They'd be like, what are you doing, dad?
00:45:02.160 We lose down here.
00:45:02.900 Keep reading.
00:45:03.820 And that's what I want to encourage people to do
00:45:06.480 is to keep reading in the book
00:45:07.860 and read with white-pilled eyes.
00:45:11.020 Don't read with black-pilled eyes.
00:45:12.760 Yeah, and I think a big part of it too, as we unpack some more categories in which people could be potentially blackpilled, it seems like one of the keys here is not just seeing how things are out there, but you'll protect yourself from being blackpilled if you actually go and build and start doing things to solve problems.
00:45:32.760 problems. So one of the things that I liked about Ogden originally was things like St.
00:45:39.240 Brennan's. You weren't just complaining about the public school system. You were saying,
00:45:43.260 we're going to do something about this. And it's going to be really hard. So that would be an area,
00:45:48.780 I think, public education. You look at it and you say, what a mess. But again, and we've talked
00:45:54.100 about it in other shows, you could go start a school. There's a lot that you could do.
00:45:57.640 Well, so just to comment on that. So I remember watching a survival show, I think it was Les Stroud or something like that. And he said, psychologically, what you have to do is every day you have to improve your situation just a little bit.
00:46:10.060 Yep.
00:46:10.500 I mean, think about that in a survival situation.
00:46:13.460 Jordan Peterson says the same thing.
00:46:14.460 Okay. Yeah, yeah. So you're in a survival situation, like something's gone wrong and you are probably going to die.
00:46:21.680 Just make progress in one thing.
00:46:23.260 Just make progress.
00:46:24.160 Yep.
00:46:24.340 Just one day at a time.
00:46:26.440 And so that's the thing.
00:46:27.220 You look out at the landscape and you're like, this is bad.
00:46:30.180 What improvement can I make today?
00:46:32.100 Right.
00:46:32.760 And it really helps.
00:46:34.340 Powerful.
00:46:34.500 It really does help.
00:46:35.320 So like you said, it's easy to say like all the kids, they're in trouble.
00:46:39.640 Like public education, that's bad.
00:46:41.640 And so what are we going to do today to make that better?
00:46:44.760 Even with church situations, I know people are in a lot of bad church situations.
00:46:48.440 We issued an invite to people connect with us.
00:46:51.520 If you want to come to Ogden, we're issuing the invite.
00:46:54.340 But I remember being in that spot where it's like I have zero connections.
00:46:58.580 I don't even know which church I would go to in a bad spot.
00:47:02.840 And I remember talking to Michael Foster and he was like, start tweeting really based things and see who responds.
00:47:09.700 Yeah, Michael Foster is responsible for all of Eric's tweets is what you're saying.
00:47:13.820 Yes.
00:47:14.520 Yes, I blame him for all of them.
00:47:16.780 So I started – yeah, and then he called me like a week later and he was like, well, probably tweak here, tweak there.
00:47:22.440 But I thought at the time, a lot of these steps of progress, it feels like worthless.
00:47:29.080 Yeah, right, Michael.
00:47:29.880 Thanks.
00:47:30.220 That's really the advice I needed.
00:47:32.820 Tweet.
00:47:33.480 Yeah, thanks, pal.
00:47:35.220 And then he said, connect with people that you meet on Twitter.
00:47:38.020 It was basically network.
00:47:39.400 Yeah.
00:47:40.000 But networking is slow.
00:47:41.560 It's like, okay, so I just was diligent about this.
00:47:44.040 Long story short, people have heard it.
00:47:45.380 I meet Dan.
00:47:46.340 I meet Brian.
00:47:47.400 We come here.
00:47:47.900 So I think making progress, even if it's an inch, even if it means making your bed in the morning, that will also – you'll start getting progress in your own life, and then you can be a more optimistic, positive people for those around you.
00:48:00.600 Education is one.
00:48:01.440 I know we've talked a lot about that.
00:48:02.700 We had an episode not too long ago.
00:48:04.620 Some other ones, though, that I think are really interesting, economic.
00:48:09.460 Areas where we can blackpill our children?
00:48:11.580 Yes.
00:48:12.160 The economic area, it is so easy to look out there.
00:48:15.260 Look, I know what interest rates are.
00:48:17.140 I know what my mortgage is. I know I can look at data and I can say, you know, in 1994, if I made
00:48:24.600 60K a year, that's the equivalent of $225,000 today. That's a pretty black pill thing if you
00:48:31.360 want to go down that road. But what we've done instead is say, yep, that sucks. I mean, spending
00:48:37.500 my emotional capacity on those things is like worthless. I can't change that. I'm not like
00:48:43.240 the Fed. I can't go back in time. I can't undo all the Ukraine spending. I have no control over
00:48:48.620 that. What I can do is start working on solutions. Even if they seem like they're a drop in the
00:48:54.600 ocean of what's going on in the world, it's still an act of faith. God seems to bless this.
00:48:59.780 Dan, talk to me about economics. How do you encourage fathers in this moment not to be
00:49:05.980 black-billed economically? Yeah. I mean, you listen to the Anthony Oliver song,
00:49:10.200 richmond north of richmond yeah and it rings true and it's it's i like the song strikes okay it
00:49:15.900 strikes a nerve the important thing is to then adopt uh it's it's a investor's mantra i guess
00:49:23.020 and that's there's always opportunity there's always opportunity out there and there's people
00:49:28.120 who got rich in the depression yes yes and so you don't have to be uh just stuck in this cycle of
00:49:34.860 like well i guess there's nothing i can do about it i'm just going to complain about every time i
00:49:38.900 go grocery shopping or go to the gas pump. And because it actually does hurt. I mean, it hurts
00:49:44.220 a lot. And so I sympathize with that. I can relate, but there's always opportunity and there's always
00:49:50.020 opportunity, especially if you dot the mindset of I'm going to improve my situation each day.
00:49:54.040 So if, if economically you're feeling the pain of this moment in our, in our history,
00:50:01.300 you should do something about that. Just, just one small thing. And the, the temptation, I think,
00:50:08.400 especially economically more so than any other category is looking for the quick cheap fix the
00:50:14.940 get rich quick sort of thing it's it's one of the few categories that we actually do that in
00:50:19.760 to where you're like i'm just going to see how little i can invest to get the maximum amount of
00:50:24.740 return and it's really easy to get suckered into some sort of scam so i would just say that with
00:50:30.580 you know a note of caution but but that being said look at uh the proverbs as it talks about
00:50:36.700 like wealth gain slowly is easily kept uh wealth wealth gain quickly is easily lost and so take
00:50:43.560 uh a time and money equation and look at the opportunities out there and there's there's some
00:50:48.920 i would also say along with what eric said about networking that you should also network because
00:50:54.040 some of the best things that you can do is just look at what you need locally in your own community
00:50:58.400 and then say like well i mean i think i could solve that that issue it seems like people are
00:51:03.580 really having a hard time finding like competent lawn care people or a competent contractor that
00:51:08.420 can install fences or, or whatever it is. Uh, yeah. I mean, there's lots of opportunities in
00:51:13.420 the trades, but there could be other things too. Like you could do contract work in which, you
00:51:17.960 know, in the, in the field that you're already in and start your own business doing that. I mean,
00:51:22.780 the opportunities honestly are endless. I think the key there with networking, I was thinking
00:51:28.020 of this last night, we had Psalm Singh and, uh, my, my base section, by the way, was holding it
00:51:32.740 down you know what i gotta give you guys credit you were almost as good as a tenor so it was very
00:51:37.300 no that's really good no that's not what that is such a high compliment that i could pay you
00:51:41.180 i mean wow uh but it was interesting you think about bases they sing low tenors are higher
00:51:46.420 so like b a like you know hundred dollars two hundred dollars but go on sorry i didn't follow
00:51:53.940 i'll fight you in the parking lot but but it was interesting uh so we have the meal and we're just
00:51:59.520 talking to a bunch of different guys, asking them, you know, how was your week? What are you working
00:52:02.940 on? I'm blown away at our church by the per capita number of guys who are like, oh yeah,
00:52:09.760 I'm a software this or that, but, um, I get my, I can get my work done in like two hours.
00:52:15.940 So I started this business on the side cause I saw a need as per Dan's thing. Like I saw a need.
00:52:22.040 Yeah. Turns out you can make a lot of money doing it. Like there's just guys that it's good for you
00:52:27.240 to be around like if you're a young guy especially and you're saying i don't know economically what i
00:52:32.020 could do first of all if you come to a place like ogden you can probably work for one of these guys
00:52:36.540 and learn a heck of a lot you know but for me even for me and and when we have business issues and
00:52:42.760 we're like what do i do about this really confusing thing in my business i'll talk to kevin love or
00:52:47.880 i'll talk to one of the other guys here who are super successful and they're like oh that's simple
00:52:52.080 i dealt with that 10 years ago here's what you here's the book read this do this blah blah blah
00:52:56.020 and you have a path forward so it really is helpful like having other optimistic guys who
00:53:04.000 are doing stuff and making progress the other side of the equation would be when i was working
00:53:10.260 in corporate america and all my colleagues and friends are w2 mindset guys and i'd be like yeah
00:53:16.540 i'm thinking of starting a business i don't know it seems kind of risky what about your 401k what
00:53:21.100 about health care benefits what about that but like they're always trying to talk you out of it
00:53:24.940 yeah whereas like people at our church now are just like full send bro just gonna send it and
00:53:31.220 you're like i don't actually know if everything just quit your job hey guys by the way not
00:53:35.580 everything is full like when you're at a red light and you're gonna be late to school to get your
00:53:42.080 kids to school that day and there's traffic passing at 50 miles an hour full send isn't the
00:53:45.980 right answer oh it wasn't well i thought you were gonna say that was wait for the green light
00:53:49.420 then full send actually protecting against the w2 mindset for the sake of your children is really
00:53:54.460 really important because you're training them how to view work. And so the standard W-2 mindset,
00:53:59.820 maybe you could walk us through that, Eric. What is a standard W-2 mindset?
00:54:02.800 Yeah. I think fundamentally, like you're going to work for a set number of hours and you're
00:54:06.640 getting paid for the time being there. There's a lot that goes to it. That's kind of, I would say
00:54:11.820 hard to describe, but basically like you're on the plantation working for them. You tend to not
00:54:17.680 think of things as an owner. Yeah. Your days are typically filled with low value work.
00:54:22.060 Yeah, you're a day laborer fundamentally. And I think when I talk about helping guys get out of that, even if you're going to remain working there, which I did for like 10 plus years, you can still change your mindset. You know, and this gets into like side hustles and all these other stuff. I think it's so important, though, for optimism, because if a guy feels like, you know, what was the old song, the old country song? Like my grandpa used to listen to it. I owe my soul to the company store, the coal mining.
00:54:48.920 oh yeah yeah because they they just kept work like the company would pay them money and then
00:54:54.880 they would charge them for everything like rent you stay in this little shack and then the company
00:54:59.880 store everything's marked up and you you get to the next paycheck you're like how much money i
00:55:03.660 have and they said we have negative 25 yeah so this is uh tennessee ernie ford 16 tons is the song
00:55:10.140 and uh you load 16 tons what do you get another day older and deeper in debt saint peter don't
00:55:15.500 you call me because I can't go. I owe my soul to the company store. That is depressing. And so if
00:55:20.900 you want to give your kids hope, you need to give them financial hope. And so I'm even thinking
00:55:25.820 about conversations I have with my, you know, my 14 and 16 year old. They're like, houses are so
00:55:30.620 expensive. I was like, I know, but you know, we bought a bigger one. So there's room. We're going
00:55:35.800 to take that hit because we can right now for you guys. And you know, if you're married young,
00:55:41.140 if you're starting businesses, you have a place to live. Like we got you. That causes them to be
00:55:47.040 like creative and take risks because they know they can do that. But I remember, you know,
00:55:54.220 most of the people in our generation was like, I was literally told when you're 18, you're on your
00:55:58.660 own. 100% on your own. There will not be help. And it was kind of like, well, that kind of limits
00:56:04.820 the options, you know, and you get into corporate America. And listen, the reason I've been so
00:56:10.280 adamant about helping guys think through small business and stuff like this is corporate in
00:56:14.680 america will suck your soul out and they will not care like staring at carpet walled cubicles
00:56:20.940 while uploading articles to the internet or doing data entry or they'll fire and they'll fire you
00:56:27.680 30 years in your career and leave you with nothing and not care they literally don't care they're
00:56:33.120 not people etc all that stuff it's they're lizard people they're lizards people here we're on record
00:56:38.280 King's hall, all corporations are lizard people. I'm just kidding. That's no, this is a really
00:56:43.280 important part of the battle though. The dragons that are, are out there to fight. And this has
00:56:48.960 been the absolutely the battlefront of our time. This is the war that's being waged as economic
00:56:56.460 war. And I say that because you can see with the rise of paganism, you know, as Eric says,
00:57:02.340 like the rise of the old gods or the strong gods, uh, what you have is, uh, I mean, all you have to
00:57:08.220 do is look at the hr department which is like the bishops of this economic religion lady bishops
00:57:13.460 yeah the lady bishops uh because you can see if you don't ascend to their standards of worship
00:57:19.140 and their blasphemy laws and their their you know view of righteousness if you don't put the
00:57:24.240 the the gay thing in your email signature if you don't wear the gay pin if you don't say
00:57:29.740 you know essentially that caesar is lord you know in the lgbtq uh frame of worship then you will be
00:57:38.440 fired this is economic war and so covid made this plane by the way yeah absolutely absolutely if you
00:57:45.140 don't wear the mask if you don't get the the jab if you don't do this was the the big and i know
00:57:49.420 you want to continue but again going back google archipelago was on a roll google archipelago they
00:57:55.320 talk about this very thing. We do not live in a modern, uh, Stalinist statism anymore. They use
00:58:02.280 the economy to enforce all the policies of the bureaucratic filth world government. Yeah. And so
00:58:07.860 that's where people are feeling the weight of the tyranny is actually in their job. Yeah. Yeah,
00:58:12.740 absolutely. And the thing is, think about it this way. If you are a, have the mindset of a W2
00:58:18.980 employee, I mean, most everybody is a W2 employee to some degree or another, right? I mean, we're
00:58:24.600 w2 employees uh of new christened press yeah and so we just also sit on the board we you know we
00:58:30.460 also sit on the board hey let's not give away like the feds if you're listening and it's all legal
00:58:34.800 it's on the app it's not tax evasion guys it's not tax evasion literally i still pay taxes i do pay
00:58:40.900 taxes probably actually i need to make more to pay tax anyway uh no what was i gonna what was i
00:58:48.700 saying okay so yeah the mindset of a w2 employee okay that's the important part is not just that
00:58:53.600 you get a W-2. It's not your tax status. It's the way you approach your job. So if you approach
00:58:58.720 your job like a standard corporate employee, where you're like, I hate my job. I don't like
00:59:03.520 the people I work with. I especially don't like the person I work for. And my work has no meaning
00:59:09.580 and I'm just going to fuss about it. And then I'm going to send my kids to public school.
00:59:14.020 And then they're going to go to some state university so that they can learn how to be
00:59:18.260 a good W-2 employee as well, you're perpetuating a cycle that will produce losers. And I don't
00:59:25.720 mean like losers in the sense of like, hey, that dude's a loser. I mean like they will lose. You
00:59:31.980 will lose your generations. That's what you're in danger of is because you're actually not able to
00:59:38.680 engage this war that's going on. And one of the main battlefronts is the economic battlefront.
00:59:44.900 And you need to approach that differently with a certain form of optimism versus being blackpilled about it, because this is especially for men, especially for men.
00:59:55.360 This is the point in which we have the ability right now to do battle, which sounds kind of weird and abstract, but this is the point of where we're fighting is very hot right now.
01:00:09.620 And you can see that with inflation and with taxation and with property tax, all that.
01:00:15.620 You can see that's actually a pain point.
01:00:17.740 And so one of the myths of decline that we've received is that in that package deal of the myth of decline is that you should actually reject wealth as well.
01:00:29.000 The best way to protect yourself against money, of love of money, is to just not have it.
01:00:34.400 And so don't desire it.
01:00:35.440 Don't have aspirations.
01:00:36.640 don't have any sort of motivations for the future.
01:00:40.800 It's all a package deal, right?
01:00:42.860 And so one of the opportunities right now
01:00:44.940 is for Christians to be able to be crafty,
01:00:48.220 to look out, be as crafty as serpents
01:00:50.740 and as innocent as doves in the economic world
01:00:53.400 and say, how can I actually bring in wealth
01:00:57.100 and use it righteously to bless my people
01:01:00.940 and then also to bless your generations?
01:01:03.840 Because they'll see the path forward and say,
01:01:05.660 dad wasn't just some corporate loser that just sunk his whole life into a company that doesn't
01:01:11.120 care and work that doesn't matter. But he actually built something and I'm going to build something
01:01:16.200 too. Yeah. Yeah. I think the whole idea of spending your strength for things that are both fruitful
01:01:21.860 and beneficial to your generations, even if you're working a ton of hours, it's about the way that
01:01:27.960 you work and the meaning that you find in it. Gentlemen, some of the other things I want to
01:01:32.060 touch on as we talk about areas to be black pilled. One is, and you've seen a lot about this
01:01:38.160 in the news, on Twitter, red pill manosphere, really black pill manosphere, judicial injustice,
01:01:45.380 marriage divorce problems. I think the first thing to state here is we're all in 100% agreement that
01:01:50.340 there's a real problem, that it really needs to change. But there's also people out here who are
01:01:55.740 like don't get married, get a vasectomy, use surrogacy, heinously biblical, unbiblical
01:02:00.980 options, get super gay.
01:02:05.160 So if you're going to give encouragement to guys about like, how do you look that in the
01:02:10.260 eye, but then, you know, not get blackpilled.
01:02:13.340 We've said for economics, kind of how to do that.
01:02:15.860 Brian, what, how do you start thinking through this issue?
01:02:19.040 See our episode on preparing children for marriage for some of this, but just it's all
01:02:23.780 about the quality of the spouse and of the community the spouse comes from, not the systemic
01:02:32.440 injustice that's built into the system. The most important factor is still and always will be who
01:02:37.680 you marry, not what the legal system is at the time. Because you're making a covenant before God
01:02:43.440 to this woman. That's what you want your children, your daughters to marry a worthy man, your sons
01:02:48.600 to marry a worthy woman. And so as a father, the way that we avoid blackpilling our children is by
01:02:54.540 teaching them about, again, it's always this same pattern. We teach them about the dragon
01:02:59.380 and then we teach them how to fight it. Teach them about the dragon. You teach them how to
01:03:03.780 fight it. You say, daughters, this scriptures are very much focused on teaching these things.
01:03:09.400 Don't marry a foolish man. Don't go covenant yourself to a worthless man. Sons, don't go
01:03:16.400 marry a worthless woman, a foolish woman, a loud, brash woman, dragon hears its weakness.
01:03:24.260 You just, you can't be like dragon, dragon, dragon, dragon. And so any woman you marry is
01:03:28.760 going to stab you in the back and steal your kids. Can I ask you what, like some of these
01:03:33.860 communities that have got blackpilled, I guess my question is why do you think they got that way?
01:03:38.780 I tend to see a lot of things like, for example, the number of guys complaining about the quality
01:03:44.700 of women who also themselves happen to be like man whores addicted to pornography and you're
01:03:49.480 like okay well i mean that's really not good and then i look at uh reverse situations like maybe
01:03:56.140 my own where it's like my wife and i when we met and got married we were not like super devout
01:04:02.260 christians like barely nominal christians like you look at kind of how the relationship evolved
01:04:08.400 there's what seems like in college some level of conversion you start leading your wife because
01:04:13.760 you have christian guys even in like big eva church is telling like lead your wife do blah
01:04:17.720 blah blah do this thing she follows and you know 20 years later you you have a great marriage so
01:04:22.800 when i hear guys say like there's no way to find a good wife today i'm like i think you're wrong
01:04:28.280 yeah they're just incorrect a lot of them are filtering their own experiences
01:04:32.540 and overlaying those but if you go back i think even through some of the experiences
01:04:37.740 you'll be able to find moments of folly or foolish decision-making.
01:04:43.140 Like where they're maybe shooting themselves in the foot.
01:04:45.220 Right.
01:04:45.460 And this is not to say that there are many men who find themselves,
01:04:48.900 and there are many women who find themselves married to somebody
01:04:51.020 where they made the correct decisions with the information they had
01:04:53.780 and the person simply sinned and completely screwed them.
01:04:57.360 And that happens.
01:04:58.480 And in those situations, it's all the more important that you have the community,
01:05:02.740 that you have the people around you to be able to help you.
01:05:05.500 Now you have a new dragon in your life and you've got to fight it.
01:05:08.360 Again, black pill is still not the answer.
01:05:10.980 Even when you have been totally routed in a battle with sin or with somebody sinning against you.
01:05:20.680 We look to Christ.
01:05:22.260 We look even at the example of the martyrs.
01:05:24.320 This is why we sing songs like the son of God goes forth to war.
01:05:27.340 And we look at the martyrdom of Stephen and we say pursuing righteousness with vigor is still the answer even if they kill you.
01:05:34.020 Well, is it not a little ironic?
01:05:36.360 I mean like Jesus himself is crucified and yet while being crucified doesn't go black pill.
01:05:42.900 He says, Father, forgive them.
01:05:44.340 Forgive them.
01:05:44.920 They know not what they do.
01:05:45.960 Like we actually have an example of what it looks like, you know, 1 Peter 4.
01:05:50.300 Like you know what it looks like to be sinned against and we're called to imitate Christ who didn't revile, who didn't, you know, shout back into the void, all these things.
01:05:58.740 At the same time, we could make real progress and say something like, yeah, let's encourage – if we have lawyers in our church or we're associated with organizations, we definitely want to see no-fault divorce, for example.
01:06:12.080 We want to see that done away with.
01:06:13.500 If we can leverage relationships with congressmen in our state, we definitely want to do that while also saying – we're also not going to throw our hands up in the air and just say, well, I give up.
01:06:23.460 Yeah.
01:06:24.340 Like Genesis 128 still applies.
01:06:26.180 Yep.
01:06:26.780 I think it's what we're saying.
01:06:27.540 Still the right answer.
01:06:28.740 Dan, thoughts on that before we move on?
01:06:30.180 Yeah, I would just say where did this come from, this black pill about marriage and divorce and not wanting to pursue marriage and things like that?
01:06:40.300 I think what Brian said about having a bad experience yourself is true, but you also couple that with – for men, guys like Andrew Tate or any of the other black pill guys where they're just – it's confirmation bias where they're like, yeah, of course this is true.
01:06:56.060 I experienced this.
01:06:57.600 And then you start eating that media.
01:07:00.240 Yeah, we self-select things to confirm our opinions.
01:07:03.920 Exactly.
01:07:04.620 And then for women, you have a bad experience with a guy, and then you start listening to feminists about how much guys are just worthless.
01:07:11.420 And you're like, yeah, absolutely.
01:07:12.380 Of course that's true.
01:07:13.480 We self-select our own narrative that we've already determined, and then we find stories to support it.
01:07:19.120 This is what Pete's called confirmation bias.
01:07:20.960 We do it, guys.
01:07:21.980 I mean, I do this.
01:07:23.100 We all do this.
01:07:24.080 Yeah, of course.
01:07:24.780 Of course we're going to do it.
01:07:25.600 The baseball player, we were talking about this the other day, the baseball player who was like re-commenting all the black pill stuff about how the, you know, women have all the power and blah, blah, blah, blah.
01:07:36.140 And then somebody like responded to him and they're like, didn't you cheat on your wife like 15 times?
01:07:40.500 Yeah, you're like, come on, my guy.
01:07:42.420 And he's like, well, I did, but so would you.
01:07:44.540 I mean, I'm like an alpha stud.
01:07:46.200 You know, it's just this whole.
01:07:47.560 And you're like, okay, you, come on.
01:07:50.380 That's not the system.
01:07:52.100 That was, the system didn't get you, my dude.
01:07:54.700 Yeah.
01:07:55.000 The system didn't get you.
01:07:56.440 You got you.
01:07:57.540 You were like, oh, who did this to me?
01:08:00.900 You know, the other thing to remember, and this is a theme through all of what we're talking about in this episode, is that surprise, there's risk.
01:08:10.820 Right.
01:08:11.740 Wow, you're going to go fight dragons.
01:08:13.960 You're telling me there's risk in fighting dragons?
01:08:16.220 Yeah, there's actually risk involved in that fight.
01:08:18.840 There is risk.
01:08:19.980 Like you take the information you have and you try to marry the best spouse you can.
01:08:25.360 But guess what?
01:08:26.420 There's risk.
01:08:27.340 Yep, there's risk.
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01:10:12.640 for more information and you teach your children that and you teach them like dan always says that
01:10:22.200 the greatest risk is doing nothing yeah you think you're being safe and you're like i'm just not
01:10:27.240 going to do anything you sit there you put your talent under your butt you sit on it and then
01:10:31.280 what have you just done you've you've guaranteed failure yeah this seems like another thing with
01:10:37.340 like not blackpilling your kids but uh your kids need to see you take risks things not work out
01:10:43.720 and you respond well to that like that needs to be part of this process too where they're like
01:10:48.600 you know it affected me in a very big way seeing a whole generation of older men above me
01:10:54.740 who are like working for their 16 tons and they were like this is just the way it is you put your
01:11:00.500 head down and you take it and i was like yeah no i don't i don't want to do that one of the other
01:11:06.640 areas where this could apply directly to us, but the bad church thing. You hear it all the time,
01:11:13.640 there's no good churches, there's no good pastors, there's nowhere for my family to go to worship.
01:11:19.380 And what I typically say to people is like, well, I understand it's tough and I want to be realistic
01:11:23.800 about that. But saying nowhere is different than saying it's bad out there. Yeah, absolutely. I
01:11:29.920 mean, and the thing is, it's easy, again, with all of these different categories that we're
01:11:35.400 looking at, it's easy to look outside and to say, wow, it's really bad and it's awful and it's
01:11:40.860 really hard. But the place to start, the first place of improvement is with your own house,
01:11:46.380 with yourself and your own house. And so, yeah, it might be true that there's actually,
01:11:50.200 in your area, there might not be a good church. There might not be a good church,
01:11:54.180 but you have to actually face the reality that maybe there is a good church nearby and you're
01:11:59.100 the problem. That could be actually true. Yeah, that sometimes happens, guys.
01:12:04.420 Yeah.
01:12:04.660 And so you have to be honest with yourself first because it could be true, but it also could be true that you're the problem.
01:12:10.260 Yeah.
01:12:10.680 Yeah.
01:12:11.180 And I think also it goes back to the risk thing.
01:12:14.080 You may have to make some – take some risks.
01:12:17.840 It may mean moving.
01:12:18.960 It may mean trying a different church.
01:12:20.980 Again, we've talked about this, but, you know, obviously saying the cost is worth it.
01:12:25.900 I want to ask you, Brian, if you have any follow-up thoughts on that.
01:12:29.000 Obviously, you're the preaching pastor of a church.
01:12:33.380 So there's at least one good church, am I right, guys?
01:12:38.160 Thanks, my guy.
01:12:38.920 We got jokes.
01:12:39.800 But no, seriously, I mean, how do you keep people from being blackmailed about the church?
01:12:44.020 And Brian, this could also go, I'm thinking, for people who are in churches, where it's like, even in really great churches, I've seen people who are just continually complaining about something.
01:12:57.580 Well, I don't like the way the service was.
01:12:59.500 I didn't like that psalm at Psalm Sing.
01:13:01.440 I didn't like this.
01:13:02.760 Well, I just wish people would reach out to me more.
01:13:04.900 Well, I just like because of human nature, you could be Johnny Raincloud on the sunniest day.
01:13:12.680 So it seems like fathers have to be on guard for this, too, as well.
01:13:19.080 Oh, yeah.
01:13:20.400 Yeah.
01:13:20.720 So so one of the things that you have to make sure is that you don't produce entitled children because that's really what it is.
01:13:27.160 It's entitlement.
01:13:27.860 Like the whole world does revolve around me.
01:13:29.560 That's what the fusser, the chronic fusser is saying, like, but you guys are doing things
01:13:34.000 wrong.
01:13:34.340 You don't know what you're doing.
01:13:35.380 I do though.
01:13:36.580 Uh, and, uh, I'm the source of all knowledge and wisdom and, and, uh, the things that I
01:13:41.480 prefer are actually the best things.
01:13:43.520 Uh, and so you have to protect your children against that.
01:13:46.120 And, and that goes a long way, but, but the first thing is you actually have to address
01:13:50.840 that in yourself being entitled.
01:13:53.220 And the thing that I would want to motivate in the congregation and my own children is to have a proper paradigm where you understand the shape of the gospel of Jesus Christ and the gospel of the kingdom of God, that it is a narrative where we are saved by grace and through faith, through the active obedience of Christ, through his death on the cross, taking our sin, through the forgiveness of our sin by the cross.
01:14:18.460 but also then onto new life and resurrection that were new creatures in Christ.
01:14:24.120 And so now there is still a covenantal framework that's all of reality has overlaid over it.
01:14:30.480 And it is, again, the two paths in light of your weakness, in light of all of the
01:14:35.660 evil out there, in light of the dragons, it's Romans 2.6. And on through about verse 10 or 11,
01:14:42.080 he says, he will render to each one according to his works, to those who by patience in well-doing
01:14:48.620 Seek for glory.
01:14:50.040 Seek for glory and honor and immortality.
01:14:51.980 He will give eternal life.
01:14:52.900 But for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury.
01:14:58.120 There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil, the Jew first and also the Greek.
01:15:03.140 But glory and honor and peace for everyone who does good.
01:15:07.660 And I want to be able to read those verses and explode all and just say amen at the end and have all of the gospel-centered antinomians' heads explode and say, son, daughter, church, you're Christians.
01:15:18.140 So if you seek for glory and honor and immortality in the name of Christ and in faith, then he is going to render to you glory and honor, and there will be good and there will be peace.
01:15:28.060 But if you don't, if you apostatize or if you go the way of the world and you don't seek for glory and honor and immortality and you seek for your own glory, you seek evil, then there's going to be tribulation and distress and God will utterly throw you down.
01:15:40.160 But what we've neutered in the antinomian gospel is this pattern, this covenantal pattern of blessing and cursing.
01:15:50.100 And so it makes the world seem—it makes it seem like cursing is inevitable.
01:15:54.660 There is no way to seek for blessing and honor and glory and immortality because it's all grace, guys.
01:15:59.320 And by that, they end up meaning it's just a roll of the dice.
01:16:02.100 Nothing you do impacts whether God blesses you or not.
01:16:04.800 That is not true.
01:16:06.440 That is completely contrary to the teaching of Scripture.
01:16:09.420 for Christians. If you will seek for good, if you will seek in patience and well-doing for glory,
01:16:16.040 then God loves to give you peace and he loves to give you joy. And so I think if you tell your
01:16:21.220 children this, if you teach your congregation this, that when they're looking at all of the
01:16:25.940 tribulation or the evils of the day, that the answer, the Christian answer to that is to say,
01:16:31.260 oh, the Lord's on our side. We're Christians. He told me patiently and in well-doing to seek
01:16:36.600 for glory, honor, and immortality. And he said that when he does that, that he's going to render
01:16:40.660 all these glorious things to us. So I guess I'm just going to believe him and I'm going to do it.
01:16:46.540 And then even if there's, even if there's in my day, even if we die at the battle of Agnacourt,
01:16:51.640 right, I'm just going to trust that the Lord is working a greater glory through that death
01:16:55.260 and loss. Even if my wife leaves me, even if we experienced the death of a child, even if we have
01:17:00.400 famine, nakedness, tribulation sword, I'm still going to trust that God is working those promises
01:17:06.240 out in my generations for me personally and for my children and their children, because he said
01:17:11.760 he will. I was like, it's just fundamentally faith versus unbelief. That's what we're talking about
01:17:16.880 here. Faith versus unbelief. Yeah. And one of the big ways that gets expressed, Brian, I'm thinking
01:17:21.500 about, you know, Jesus and say like John 14, sending the spirit, the father, the Trinitarian
01:17:28.520 Godhead, but particularly the father wants to encourage, he wants to comfort, he wants to give
01:17:33.540 peace to his people. In the world, you will have tribulation. Yeah. We're actually promised dragons.
01:17:39.840 There you go. You're going to have it. But I'm supplying you with everything you need to do that.
01:17:43.780 Opposite to this seems like could be things like telling our kids they're losers, inciting them to
01:17:49.620 wrath. Yes. Telling them they're not good enough, that they'll never make it, especially for fathers
01:17:55.040 Ephesians 6, 4. We need to be on guard about exasperating the kids. Yes. So talk to me about
01:18:02.000 this? Why is that so important that our children know? Like, we don't want them to be entitled,
01:18:07.300 as we talked about before, but we do want them to have a little bit of a, you know, God-aimed
01:18:14.620 and God-fueled, like, glory. They want glory. And there should be a little bit of confidence
01:18:21.260 with David stepping up to the line saying, we got this. In God's strength, we can take down
01:18:26.260 these Goliaths. But that really comes down to fathering. Do you set your kid up so that he
01:18:31.800 believes that or do you tell your kid that he's not good enough? Well, yeah. So the whole idea
01:18:37.440 of being blackpilled is inciting your children to wrath. Because like you said, so if you have
01:18:44.120 a conversation with your son or your daughter after they've sinned and you're like, essentially
01:18:49.280 the entire backdrop of your entire life is that there's no purpose. Functionally, it's
01:18:55.100 it's not what is the what is the worldview nihilistic yeah you know it's you're operating
01:19:01.540 like a nihilist and then you tell them like you've sinned and essentially you're a loser
01:19:06.560 and and then they realize like well you know everything dad says and does uh looks like
01:19:13.320 there's no purpose to anything yeah like they're going to be angry and bitter and they're going
01:19:18.300 to be lonely and they're going to be sad what i mean it's really a depressing life and they will
01:19:23.700 despise you for it. You're provoking them to wrath. You're teaching them that in your failure
01:19:29.640 of optimism, you're teaching them instead of all of these difficult things are a stage upon which
01:19:36.800 the Lord has placed you to win glory in your day in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, you're
01:19:42.680 teaching them that those things are going to overwhelm and overcome them. It doesn't matter
01:19:46.700 what different thing, whether it's politics or the church or economics, at the end of the day,
01:19:51.940 what you're doing is you are provoking them to wrath by teaching them that the only response
01:19:57.500 they could possibly have to these things is bitterness, anger, wrath, not righteousness,
01:20:03.480 joy, action, courage, even in the face of failure. Yeah. And it's really important that when you're
01:20:09.340 disciplining your children, you have complete chastisement. And what I mean is if you have
01:20:13.360 incomplete chastisement, you're essentially saying you screwed up, you sinned, and then you
01:20:18.940 give them some sort of discipline, disciplinary action, and then you stop. And that's incomplete
01:20:25.800 chastisement. Okay. Complete chastisement is to say, is to do those steps, but then you continue
01:20:32.080 with saying you must repent from that and you are now restored. And the reason that you're
01:20:40.620 disciplining your child is because you love them. You want them to deny themselves. That's one of
01:20:46.980 The primary things you're doing from, you know, your child's born until they leave your house, you're teaching them to deny themselves.
01:20:56.260 You must not act selfishly in this way.
01:20:59.480 You must say no to yourself because that's producing discipline.
01:21:03.260 That's what it means to be disciplined and saying, I'm going to say no to that desire because I have something better.
01:21:09.020 But you have to give the positive vision forward.
01:21:11.380 What are you disciplining them for and towards?
01:21:14.260 And it's towards righteousness.
01:21:15.700 It's towards the battle that God has laid out for them.
01:21:18.520 It's towards good things like blessing people and helping people and not being a curse to
01:21:24.280 people and being a weight to people.
01:21:26.660 And so it's really important that as you're looking at your children, you complete the
01:21:31.120 chastisement.
01:21:32.120 And part of that is in the restoration where you're like, I forgive you, you know, and
01:21:37.740 you pray for them, Lord, sanctify them of this sin.
01:21:40.120 Thank you for the forgiveness that you've granted through the blood of your son.
01:21:42.920 And then you say, you know, you're in fellowship.
01:21:46.440 I love you.
01:21:47.420 I am proud of you.
01:21:48.900 Let's keep moving forward and I'll help you with this.
01:21:52.280 I love you too much to let you continue in this action.
01:21:55.740 And that complete chastisement will not incite your children to wrath.
01:22:00.080 It will not because you're saying, I'm showing you how much I love you and here's the way forward.
01:22:05.720 Yeah, that's really helpful.
01:22:07.380 Gentlemen, as we close down this episode, which has been inspiring.
01:22:11.780 Thank you, Eric.
01:22:12.820 It's been very white-pilling.
01:22:14.120 I want to thank you for saying that I have inspired you in this episode.
01:22:17.940 You have white-pilled me yet again.
01:22:20.520 So I actually want to hand things over to Brian for sort of a charge and benediction.
01:22:26.740 Yeah, let's do it.
01:22:27.440 As we wrap things up, again, just kind of summarizing everything we've said, how do you send guys off and say, like, fathers, go be inspired, go be white-pilled, and then honestly, like, go white-pill your family.
01:22:39.360 Yeah, yeah.
01:22:39.920 Because the other person that we haven't really talked about is your wife.
01:22:43.120 Like your wife cannot – she cannot see a dour, critical, complainy, sad all the time guy.
01:22:52.480 She needs to see in you a leader who is courageous, competent, and full of hope.
01:22:58.200 Women are often prone to anxiety in our day.
01:23:01.480 And so one of your chief jobs as a husband is constantly to help your wife work through that anxiety Christianly
01:23:08.380 and to realize that the Lord is on her side,
01:23:12.620 that often I think of things like
01:23:14.180 having children can be very difficult.
01:23:16.760 The idea of getting pregnant
01:23:18.540 after you've just had a baby
01:23:19.920 or like, you know, we're in this season
01:23:21.440 where we have six kids now
01:23:22.580 and it's like difficult work.
01:23:24.340 My wife's blood pressure goes through the roof
01:23:25.860 when she gets pregnant.
01:23:26.720 There's just natural,
01:23:28.180 we're dealing with the curse.
01:23:29.620 It's really hard work, right?
01:23:31.380 The curse has landed there.
01:23:33.080 I'm sure it's the same with older kids.
01:23:34.980 Oh yeah.
01:23:35.360 You know, and the worries of a mother
01:23:36.560 with older children
01:23:37.400 and the decisions they're going to make or are making.
01:23:40.240 Yeah, it completely shifts with older children.
01:23:42.940 And then it ends up being it's not like, oh, man, like I need to discipline my kid
01:23:48.140 because he keeps like stealing cookies.
01:23:50.060 It's like my kid just got, you know, a car accident and his second speeding ticket in a week.
01:23:55.840 We have to have a conversation.
01:23:58.100 But then it's like literally like they could be like life in danger type questions.
01:24:04.160 So it gets more complicated.
01:24:05.520 it shifts but yeah there's always and and you can be the father who's like you know do you complain
01:24:12.320 about the insurance claim to your wife is that going to be a smart move right or or do you say
01:24:16.820 you know again this is all like this never actually happened right but you you you say like
01:24:23.380 it's okay babe i'll go deal with it yes i'll go take care of this the lord is like he knows our
01:24:29.400 son he knows us yes you shield not surprised by this yeah and then you silently drive the car
01:24:35.440 And you're like, you shield them.
01:24:38.440 You have to.
01:24:39.000 This is something that leaders do.
01:24:40.360 I always envision it like being the pilot in the cockpit.
01:24:44.480 When the microphone is on, ladies and gentlemen, if you would please put on your seatbelts.
01:24:49.840 We're about to experience some turbulence.
01:24:51.600 There will be some mild turbulence.
01:24:53.140 You might feel a little bump.
01:24:54.240 Like they're as nonchalant as possible.
01:24:56.280 I asked one of my pilot friends.
01:24:57.480 I was like, do you ever say that?
01:24:58.760 And you're like, holy cow, this is horrible.
01:25:00.840 And he goes all the time.
01:25:02.040 Oh, yeah.
01:25:02.280 like there's moments whereas the pilot you might be like i don't know if we're gonna he's thinking
01:25:06.440 of metal fatigue on the airframe and he's like did they use the right size screw you know yeah
01:25:11.080 absolutely it ben just heard metal fatigue on the airframe and he turned and he was like instantly
01:25:17.680 locked in he's like inner engineer as his old a10 repairing engineer phase yeah but i mean what our
01:25:23.280 job as as fathers and as husbands is to shield our children we're taking the arrows we lift the
01:25:28.860 shield of faith to extinguish the fiery darts of the enemy. And then we teach them how to fight
01:25:32.700 knowing they're going to take some hits. They're going to go out and sin. Your kids, you know,
01:25:36.660 like you're going to, some of you will find out, oh, my son, in spite of my protections has
01:25:41.060 stumbled into the world of pornography. And now I have to disciple him through this
01:25:44.800 and see him repent of this and grow and put up new defenses. You're going to have problems.
01:25:50.980 There are going to be areas where the curse simply breaks in and throws a curve ball at you,
01:25:58.500 or the enemy, or your own flesh. You're going to have those things. But as a father, our response
01:26:02.820 is to always be walking our children and our family and our wives through the death, burial,
01:26:06.700 and resurrection of Christ to new life and glory. That's where we're going. You know, honey, kids,
01:26:12.520 that's where we're going. And so the charge that I would give to our listeners here to end this
01:26:17.920 episode, a charge and a benediction, I would say number one is that you need to have some
01:26:22.180 conversations with your sons and daughters. If you haven't had conversations that sound like this,
01:26:27.220 then you need to have them. Son, things are going to be hard here economically in housing or in the
01:26:33.460 job market or in finding what things are going to be hard here. There's a lot of bad churches out
01:26:36.680 there. Daughter, there's a lot of foolish men. It's going to be difficult. There's going to be
01:26:40.740 lots of battles that you're going to fight, but the Lord made you for them and he's on your side
01:26:45.160 and he intends to bring you through and see you win greater glory. I pray than I won or my father
01:26:53.640 one or his father one, because the Lord loves to show his faithfulness to the thousandth generation
01:26:59.700 of those who love him and keep his command. So son, daughter, keep his command, walk in faith,
01:27:04.080 have joy, don't be bitter, because the Lord is on our side. And simply, I would say,
01:27:10.340 may the God of peace crush Satan under your feet. It's beautiful.
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