00:02:14.320They photoshopped endless imagery of me with Nazi symbols on my forehead or on my arm and terrible imagery of me and my son on the gates to Auschwitz concentration camp.
00:02:39.360Andrew Englund, the founder of one of the most popular neo-Nazi websites, the Daily Stormer, picked up the torch and unleashed what he called his troll army on the Gershs, publishing their contact information on his site.
00:02:55.040The Southern Poverty Law Center is suing Andrew Englund on Gersh's behalf, accusing him of intentionally inflicting emotional distress, invasion of privacy and intimidation.
00:03:07.180The purpose is to cause them fear and emotional harm, and that's illegal.
00:03:12.540It's not protected by the First Amendment.
00:03:14.240We reached out to Andrew Englund, who told us he now lives in, of all places, Lagos, Nigeria, where he says his rights to say what he wants aren't limited.
00:03:24.980He did not return comment about the Gersh case.
00:03:28.340But we managed to catch up with one of the writers on the Daily Stormer website at a rally in Houston.
00:03:33.840Andrew Englund, specifically, called on the readers of Daily Stormer to contact Ms. Gersh and tell them what they think about it.
00:28:07.960We're like, well, as soon as possible, he's a busy guy.
00:28:10.960So now their question has been answered.
00:28:13.080We're having Weave on today, and it's a great pleasure.
00:28:15.860I want to kind of start at the beginning and talk about – tell us a little bit about your early life and growing up and what brought you to this movement.
00:28:31.740What was it in your life that made you an alt-right neo-Nazi?
00:28:39.040I mean, I grew up in the cuckiest of households.
00:28:42.240My mother was pretty intolerable as a human being.
00:28:47.240So because she had no other redeeming virtues, she decided that she would score points with the shit-lib establishment by adopting two Negroes.
00:28:59.020And my dad was sort of like – at this point, he just sort of checked out of the home.
00:29:07.000So it was like, yes, honey, you can do whatever you want.
00:29:11.600You want to adopt – so she got herself a couple Negroes, and that was sort of the white genocide in a macrocosm in my own goddamn household that my mother would adopt blacks and treat them preferentially.
00:29:40.060So it's definitely – there was – there had to be like some sort of acknowledgement.
00:29:48.000Like when I was a kid, it was obvious that blacks and whites were different, right?
00:29:51.740And it was like – it was obvious because I grew up next to them, and they had the same household, right?
00:29:59.280And they had the same sort of inputs, if not better.
00:30:02.980You know, they were generally – they had more advantages in this household than I did.
00:30:08.980And it was like they still sort of – you know, they weren't bad, but they weren't like me, you know?
00:30:14.700So it was like the nature versus nurture thing is real on display here, right?
00:30:19.580Like it's not – there's no question that these people that have grown up next to me are quite different from me in temperament and intellect and all sorts of things.
00:30:33.200And not only that, it seems like that no matter – and I don't know that this was the case with the ones that your mother adopted from, you know, the local animal shelter or wherever she got them.
00:30:47.380But, you know, I've known blacks that were adopted like by wealthy white households, and this one in particular, he was a great big burly black guy.
00:31:01.400But, you know, the way I knew him was some people I knew who were going to college were friends with him, and he had been adopted by an extremely wealthy liberal family when he was a baby and raised in their home with every privilege you could possibly imagine.
00:31:16.400And I never interacted with him much until one day I had to pretty much tell him that I was going to bring nigger death down on him if he didn't leave this house where I was hanging out that day because they had – they were showing all these blacks, you know, curb stomping and throwing cinder blocks and stuff into the faces of white people in Los Angeles over the Rodney King nonsense.
00:31:40.980And he started shouting in this living room full of white guys who were sitting around drinking beer, oh, this is justice.
00:32:07.800I mean, it's pretty clear, right, that there's a Weltanschauung, right?
00:32:13.760Like that's how the Germans said racial worldview, right?
00:32:18.060There's an inherent thing of how you view the world and how you interact with it, and it's not a lens of society.
00:32:24.280It's a lens of genetics, and anybody who denies this, it's just – it's insane in this day and age.
00:32:30.960Yeah, we don't give nearly enough credit to the good old mitochondrial memory and such for the worldview, and I think we are in many ways born with a worldview.
00:32:42.420That's why it's the program to propagandize against us and convince us that our ancestors were evil and all that sort of thing takes so much work.
00:32:55.160And, you know, they have to be completely in control of all information to even get a good percentage of people to go along with that stuff.
00:33:05.080Now, unlike you, I was fortunate enough that I grew up in a family of racists.
00:33:12.840We were from, you know, small town East Texas, and, you know, it was like my grandparents on both sides were people who had, you know, been like subsistence farmers and such before World War II.
00:33:28.400And then fortunately after World War II, a couple of family members, you know, got into various businesses and got themselves out of that.
00:33:37.420And as I've said before on the show, my father was the first in our family to graduate high school, and then he went on to college and all that.
00:33:46.400So, you know, these were very grounded people.
00:33:50.840And the little town where I was born, which is Winsboro, Texas, even well into the 70s, I guess maybe even in the 80s, it was segregated.
00:33:59.720Not legally segregated anymore, but I mean like de facto segregated, where the blacks had this little section of town called The Quarter that they lived in.
00:34:29.400So about what age would you say you were that, not necessarily the blacks themselves, but that you started noticing that these things that your mother was believing,
00:34:42.160and I would assume preaching to the kids and such, that they weren't necessarily based on reality?
00:34:49.340I mean, I would have been nine or ten.
00:34:58.200You know, there's a large differential between the equality, perfect, you know, every human being is a fungible unit and a vast economy where all must be treated the same, right?
00:35:13.040The typical Marxist ideologue, and the reality next to me, and that there's somebody that's been raised right next to me in the same household and is very, very different in temperament than any white child that I've ever seen, you know?
00:35:46.800And if you want, we can get into some of those a little bit, but I would just like to point out here that, you know, in my opinion, what she did to you, that was extremely abusive.
00:35:56.960Because I remember the first time that I ever interacted with blacks was when I finally was in first grade at a school in Tyler, Texas.
00:36:07.300And, you know, when I first saw other little black kids, I wanted to meet them and see what was up to them.
00:36:15.940And when I say really quick, I mean like within five minutes, I just didn't want anything to do with them.
00:36:19.780And, but one day during that first grade, and I can remember this like it happened yesterday, I was just sitting there and, you know, when you're six or seven years old and you sit there daydreaming and stuff, it's really, really a strong form of role playing or can be where you actually feel the emotions of these things you're thinking about.
00:36:41.900And I looked over at this black kid that was sitting like two desks over from me.
00:36:46.360And I was just thinking about, okay, he goes home and it's a house full of blacks.
00:37:26.220This is just, it leads to base feelings of unease, right, to be surrounded by a horde of foreigners, right, with a way of life, a way of life that is inherently different than anything that you are going to want to live, right?
00:37:42.660Like, even if blacks are like, even like the ones that aren't so bad are still way louder, right?
00:37:48.480Even when they're being nice and friendly, they're just sort of a way to have around.
00:37:54.160There's, you know, even this jolly black lady, right, you know, some people will be like, well, she ain't doing any harm, right?
00:38:01.820But she's like inherently several orders of magnitude louder than white people, always will be, right?
00:38:11.480So, the presence of this woman is going to change the tenor of daily social life in a manner that just isn't compatible with European civilization.
00:38:23.420And not only that she's being incompatible with European civilization, it's incompatible with any type of honest socialization.
00:38:33.040Because, you know, you say you have just an office, you know, everybody's in their cubicle and everything, and there's 20 employees, and every one of them is a regular white person.
00:38:45.460Okay, well, you know, the stuff about conflict about race and all that doesn't really come up except for, I mean, nowadays, I guess it probably does if somebody says the wrong thing,
00:38:55.580because you've got so many of these shit libs who feel entitled to set the tone in every public space.
00:39:02.300But, you know, for the most of history, you know, the talking about race wouldn't come up, you know, past the point of, hey, you know what I saw these stupid niggers doing this weekend or something like that.
00:39:14.820But the minute that a non-white is introduced into that space, then everyone suddenly starts censoring themselves.
00:39:25.680It's like a little microcosm of what happens when blacks or other non-whites start moving into your neighborhood.
00:39:32.840You know, everybody quits hanging out and having their barbecues in the backyard.
00:39:36.740They don't want their kids being gone, running around in the neighborhood too much, because it's the perception that it's more, and it's a true perception, it's more dangerous now, and it's not comfortable now.
00:39:50.720It's introducing, and it would be the same thing, I mean, if you had an office full of black people, and the black people were the ones who were being told,
00:39:59.840I'm like, you've got to be nice to these whites or something like that, and you introduced a white person into it, well, I mean, the ones who have enough self-awareness and intelligence to do it would be self-censoring.
00:40:14.600But, okay, so let's move forward just a little bit.
00:40:18.720The first place that I ever heard the name Weave was back in the day when you got famous for what they call an AT&T hack, and based on some things I've read, and I think things I've read that you said, it may not necessarily have been a hack,
00:40:39.480but you were showing them an easily exploitable weakness in one of their user platforms, right?
00:40:46.060Yeah, there was like a public web server, right, on the public internet, you know, and there was a URL in this web server, like you type into your web browser,
00:40:54.620and there was a number at the end of that URL, and if you would increment that number, then you'd see the next customer record.
00:41:02.400And so I incremented this number a whole bunch, and I took the resulting data to a journalist, because I feel if a big company puts you at risk,
00:41:13.460you know, you have a right to know about it and mitigate the risk that you've been exposed to, and have the right to talk about it, right?
00:41:19.980That's how, that's a basic, you know, we're supposed to be free, allegedly, and, you know, in the United States, we're supposed to have freedom of speech, you know?
00:41:28.940Of course, anybody that has anything to say about race is going to quickly find that that's not really true, right?
00:41:34.740But, you know, this was used as a pretext for my, as my punishment, right, for being a public meme racist, you know,
00:41:46.840a bunch of prosecutors in a jurisdiction that I'd never visited, that in relation to the crime, decided to kidnap me from my home at gunpoint,
00:41:57.200take me to New Jersey, put me in front of some fucking nigger judge with, like, these bright pink fucking nails, you know?
00:42:03.400Like, I knew when I saw our fucking, when I saw this fucking nigger's fingernails, I knew that there was just no, no way I was getting, like, this was a sham, right?
00:42:12.000My trial was a sham with a judge with, like, ghetto, long, hot neon fucking fingernails, right?
00:42:19.360Like, I look at this bitch's fingernails, and I think to myself, you know, I'm getting arraigned in this fucking court
00:42:25.980on a fucking indictment return from a grand jury, and I'm looking at this nigger on the stand
00:42:30.780with fucking, like, three-inch long, hot pink fucking fingernails, and I think to myself,
00:42:37.300this woman was selected by the president and affirmed by the Senate.